Fw: Re: (313) Mad Mike interview
This proves once again how NZ takes America's most trumped-up regulations and makes them worse. I know there are geeks in the house who will enjoy Peter Gutmann's classic story about NZ regulation in the 1990s of digital munitions, otherwise known as cryptographic keys, or, my life as a Kiwi arms courier. http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/policy/courier.html http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/policy/wass99.html fh -- mail forwarded, original message follows -- To: 313@hyperreal.org From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Andy Mitchell Subject: Re: (313) Mad Mike interview Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 10:20:16 +1200 (NZST) They won't let you waiver - music is music to mcps/prs etc and they do close people down for it. This is a New Zealand site remember, so it's controlled by local organisation RIANZ not any American organisation. I'm guessing their fees are equally prohibitive though, because *no-one* offers podcasts or even streaming archived shows here unless they consist purely of talk. So I did some snooping and the local situation is this (turned out it was an organisation called Phonographic Performances New Zealand who control broadcast licenses here): PPNZ does not have an existing assignment to blanket licence podcasts at the present time. Any broadcaster seeking to make available music on demand is required to seek the permission of the individual copyright owners concerned. So it's more or less impossible to archive music radio online from here!Madness...
Re: Fw: Re: (313) Mad Mike interview
BBC do exactly the same thing for podcasts of previously recorded radio shows. A podcast is a download, not listened to live, it's not a performance licence that's required by Radio NZ. UR needs to be able to collect for the use of their material from the listener, from the downloader. And as RNZ aren't in the business of selling music, and UR aren't giving it away, all they can do is make available for downlaod the material that they own the copyright to, which is the chat, not the music. I think it's it's amazing he was interviewed at all by the state broadcaster...I can't see BBC1 giving him 30 minutes during any given day. essentially it's the listener who needs to This proves once again how NZ takes America's most trumped-up regulations and makes them worse. I know there are geeks in the house who will enjoy Peter Gutmann's classic story about NZ regulation in the 1990s of digital munitions, otherwise known as cryptographic keys, or, my life as a Kiwi arms courier. http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/policy/courier.html http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/policy/wass99.html fh -- mail forwarded, original message follows -- To: 313@hyperreal.org From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Andy Mitchell Subject: Re: (313) Mad Mike interview Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 10:20:16 +1200 (NZST) They won't let you waiver - music is music to mcps/prs etc and they do close people down for it. This is a New Zealand site remember, so it's controlled by local organisation RIANZ not any American organisation. I'm guessing their fees are equally prohibitive though, because *no-one* offers podcasts or even streaming archived shows here unless they consist purely of talk. So I did some snooping and the local situation is this (turned out it was an organisation called Phonographic Performances New Zealand who control broadcast licenses here): PPNZ does not have an existing assignment to blanket licence podcasts at the present time. Any broadcaster seeking to make available music on demand is required to seek the permission of the individual copyright owners concerned. So it's more or less impossible to archive music radio online from here!Madness...
(313) new zealand's podcast laws (was Re: Fw: Re: (313) Mad Mike interview)
people on this list need to learn how to change the subject lines accordingly when the original intent of the post is lost. On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 4:55 AM, pauley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BBC do exactly the same thing for podcasts of previously recorded radio shows. A podcast is a download, not listened to live, it's not a performance licence that's required by Radio NZ. UR needs to be able to collect for the use of their material from the listener, from the downloader. And as RNZ aren't in the business of selling music, and UR aren't giving it away, all they can do is make available for downlaod the material that they own the copyright to, which is the chat, not the music. I think it's it's amazing he was interviewed at all by the state broadcaster...I can't see BBC1 giving him 30 minutes during any given day. essentially it's the listener who needs to This proves once again how NZ takes America's most trumped-up regulations and makes them worse. I know there are geeks in the house who will enjoy Peter Gutmann's classic story about NZ regulation in the 1990s of digital munitions, otherwise known as cryptographic keys, or, my life as a Kiwi arms courier. http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/policy/courier.html http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/policy/wass99.html fh -- mail forwarded, original message follows -- To: 313@hyperreal.org From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Andy Mitchell Subject: Re: (313) Mad Mike interview Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 10:20:16 +1200 (NZST) They won't let you waiver - music is music to mcps/prs etc and they do close people down for it. This is a New Zealand site remember, so it's controlled by local organisation RIANZ not any American organisation. I'm guessing their fees are equally prohibitive though, because *no-one* offers podcasts or even streaming archived shows here unless they consist purely of talk. So I did some snooping and the local situation is this (turned out it was an organisation called Phonographic Performances New Zealand who control broadcast licenses here): PPNZ does not have an existing assignment to blanket licence podcasts at the present time. Any broadcaster seeking to make available music on demand is required to seek the permission of the individual copyright owners concerned. So it's more or less impossible to archive music radio online from here!Madness... -- peace, frank dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com
RE: (313) new zealand's podcast laws (was Re: Fw: Re: (313) Mad Mike interview)
No big deal really - it's still related to the event, which was in itself pretty unusual, as the post below points out. -Original Message- From: Frank Glazer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 12:32 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) new zealand's podcast laws (was Re: Fw: Re: (313) Mad Mike interview) people on this list need to learn how to change the subject lines accordingly when the original intent of the post is lost. On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 4:55 AM, pauley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BBC do exactly the same thing for podcasts of previously recorded radio shows. A podcast is a download, not listened to live, it's not a performance licence that's required by Radio NZ. UR needs to be able to collect for the use of their material from the listener, from the downloader. And as RNZ aren't in the business of selling music, and UR aren't giving it away, all they can do is make available for downlaod the material that they own the copyright to, which is the chat, not the music. I think it's it's amazing he was interviewed at all by the state broadcaster...I can't see BBC1 giving him 30 minutes during any given day. essentially it's the listener who needs to This proves once again how NZ takes America's most trumped-up regulations and makes them worse. I know there are geeks in the house who will enjoy Peter Gutmann's classic story about NZ regulation in the 1990s of digital munitions, otherwise known as cryptographic keys, or, my life as a Kiwi arms courier. http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/policy/courier.html http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/policy/wass99.html fh -- mail forwarded, original message follows -- To: 313@hyperreal.org From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Andy Mitchell Subject: Re: (313) Mad Mike interview Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 10:20:16 +1200 (NZST) They won't let you waiver - music is music to mcps/prs etc and they do close people down for it. This is a New Zealand site remember, so it's controlled by local organisation RIANZ not any American organisation. I'm guessing their fees are equally prohibitive though, because *no-one* offers podcasts or even streaming archived shows here unless they consist purely of talk. So I did some snooping and the local situation is this (turned out it was an organisation called Phonographic Performances New Zealand who control broadcast licenses here): PPNZ does not have an existing assignment to blanket licence podcasts at the present time. Any broadcaster seeking to make available music on demand is required to seek the permission of the individual copyright owners concerned. So it's more or less impossible to archive music radio online from here!Madness... -- peace, frank dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com
Re: (313) new zealand's podcast laws (was Re: Fw: Re: (313) Mad Mike interview)
I disagree. I don't have any interest in reading about podcast laws and regulations. The original post was about a specific detroit related thing that I wanted to keep track of for later, but now i have to read a new email that has nothing to do with the op every time somebody replies. A subject change would easily fix this, and it's just good netiquette. On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 7:35 AM, Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No big deal really - it's still related to the event, which was in itself pretty unusual, as the post below points out. -Original Message- From: Frank Glazer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 12:32 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) new zealand's podcast laws (was Re: Fw: Re: (313) Mad Mike interview) people on this list need to learn how to change the subject lines accordingly when the original intent of the post is lost. On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 4:55 AM, pauley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BBC do exactly the same thing for podcasts of previously recorded radio shows. A podcast is a download, not listened to live, it's not a performance licence that's required by Radio NZ. UR needs to be able to collect for the use of their material from the listener, from the downloader. And as RNZ aren't in the business of selling music, and UR aren't giving it away, all they can do is make available for downlaod the material that they own the copyright to, which is the chat, not the music. I think it's it's amazing he was interviewed at all by the state broadcaster...I can't see BBC1 giving him 30 minutes during any given day. essentially it's the listener who needs to This proves once again how NZ takes America's most trumped-up regulations and makes them worse. I know there are geeks in the house who will enjoy Peter Gutmann's classic story about NZ regulation in the 1990s of digital munitions, otherwise known as cryptographic keys, or, my life as a Kiwi arms courier. http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/policy/courier.html http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/policy/wass99.html fh -- mail forwarded, original message follows -- To: 313@hyperreal.org From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Andy Mitchell Subject: Re: (313) Mad Mike interview Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 10:20:16 +1200 (NZST) They won't let you waiver - music is music to mcps/prs etc and they do close people down for it. This is a New Zealand site remember, so it's controlled by local organisation RIANZ not any American organisation. I'm guessing their fees are equally prohibitive though, because *no-one* offers podcasts or even streaming archived shows here unless they consist purely of talk. So I did some snooping and the local situation is this (turned out it was an organisation called Phonographic Performances New Zealand who control broadcast licenses here): PPNZ does not have an existing assignment to blanket licence podcasts at the present time. Any broadcaster seeking to make available music on demand is required to seek the permission of the individual copyright owners concerned. So it's more or less impossible to archive music radio online from here!Madness... -- peace, frank dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com -- peace, frank dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com
RE: (313) new zealand's podcast laws (was Re: Fw: Re: (313) Mad Mike interview)
LOL! You don't have to read it mate! Chill. There are bigger problems in this world aren't there? :) -Original Message- From: Frank Glazer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 12:40 PM To: Odeluga, Ken Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) new zealand's podcast laws (was Re: Fw: Re: (313) Mad Mike interview) I disagree. I don't have any interest in reading about podcast laws and regulations. The original post was about a specific detroit related thing that I wanted to keep track of for later, but now i have to read a new email that has nothing to do with the op every time somebody replies. A subject change would easily fix this, and it's just good netiquette. On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 7:35 AM, Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No big deal really - it's still related to the event, which was in itself pretty unusual, as the post below points out. -Original Message- From: Frank Glazer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 12:32 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) new zealand's podcast laws (was Re: Fw: Re: (313) Mad Mike interview) people on this list need to learn how to change the subject lines accordingly when the original intent of the post is lost. On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 4:55 AM, pauley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BBC do exactly the same thing for podcasts of previously recorded radio shows. A podcast is a download, not listened to live, it's not a performance licence that's required by Radio NZ. UR needs to be able to collect for the use of their material from the listener, from the downloader. And as RNZ aren't in the business of selling music, and UR aren't giving it away, all they can do is make available for downlaod the material that they own the copyright to, which is the chat, not the music. I think it's it's amazing he was interviewed at all by the state broadcaster...I can't see BBC1 giving him 30 minutes during any given day. essentially it's the listener who needs to This proves once again how NZ takes America's most trumped-up regulations and makes them worse. I know there are geeks in the house who will enjoy Peter Gutmann's classic story about NZ regulation in the 1990s of digital munitions, otherwise known as cryptographic keys, or, my life as a Kiwi arms courier. http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/policy/courier.html http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/policy/wass99.html fh -- mail forwarded, original message follows -- To: 313@hyperreal.org From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Andy Mitchell Subject: Re: (313) Mad Mike interview Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 10:20:16 +1200 (NZST) They won't let you waiver - music is music to mcps/prs etc and they do close people down for it. This is a New Zealand site remember, so it's controlled by local organisation RIANZ not any American organisation. I'm guessing their fees are equally prohibitive though, because *no-one* offers podcasts or even streaming archived shows here unless they consist purely of talk. So I did some snooping and the local situation is this (turned out it was an organisation called Phonographic Performances New Zealand who control broadcast licenses here): PPNZ does not have an existing assignment to blanket licence podcasts at the present time. Any broadcaster seeking to make available music on demand is required to seek the permission of the individual copyright owners concerned. So it's more or less impossible to archive music radio online from here!Madness... -- peace, frank dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com -- peace, frank dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com
RE: (313) new zealand's podcast laws (was Re: Fw: Re: (313) Mad Mike interview)
Delete it then Rob Taylor VT Librarian x8599 Hatch Desk x1088 VT Library Users' Guide -Original Message- From: Frank Glazer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 09 September 2008 12:40 To: Odeluga, Ken Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) new zealand's podcast laws (was Re: Fw: Re: (313) Mad Mike interview) I disagree. I don't have any interest in reading about podcast laws and regulations. The original post was about a specific detroit related thing that I wanted to keep track of for later, but now i have to read a new email that has nothing to do with the op every time somebody replies. A subject change would easily fix this, and it's just good netiquette. On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 7:35 AM, Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No big deal really - it's still related to the event, which was in itself pretty unusual, as the post below points out. -Original Message- From: Frank Glazer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 12:32 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) new zealand's podcast laws (was Re: Fw: Re: (313) Mad Mike interview) people on this list need to learn how to change the subject lines accordingly when the original intent of the post is lost. On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 4:55 AM, pauley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BBC do exactly the same thing for podcasts of previously recorded radio shows. A podcast is a download, not listened to live, it's not a performance licence that's required by Radio NZ. UR needs to be able to collect for the use of their material from the listener, from the downloader. And as RNZ aren't in the business of selling music, and UR aren't giving it away, all they can do is make available for downlaod the material that they own the copyright to, which is the chat, not the music. I think it's it's amazing he was interviewed at all by the state broadcaster...I can't see BBC1 giving him 30 minutes during any given day. essentially it's the listener who needs to This proves once again how NZ takes America's most trumped-up regulations and makes them worse. I know there are geeks in the house who will enjoy Peter Gutmann's classic story about NZ regulation in the 1990s of digital munitions, otherwise known as cryptographic keys, or, my life as a Kiwi arms courier. http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/policy/courier.html http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/policy/wass99.html fh -- mail forwarded, original message follows -- To: 313@hyperreal.org From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Andy Mitchell Subject: Re: (313) Mad Mike interview Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 10:20:16 +1200 (NZST) They won't let you waiver - music is music to mcps/prs etc and they do close people down for it. This is a New Zealand site remember, so it's controlled by local organisation RIANZ not any American organisation. I'm guessing their fees are equally prohibitive though, because *no-one* offers podcasts or even streaming archived shows here unless they consist purely of talk. So I did some snooping and the local situation is this (turned out it was an organisation called Phonographic Performances New Zealand who control broadcast licenses here): PPNZ does not have an existing assignment to blanket licence podcasts at the present time. Any broadcaster seeking to make available music on demand is required to seek the permission of the individual copyright owners concerned. So it's more or less impossible to archive music radio online from here!Madness... -- peace, frank dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com -- peace, frank dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. Channel Four Television Corporation, created by statute under English law, is at 124 Horseferry Road, London, SW1P 2TX . 4 Ventures Limited (Company No. 04106849), incorporated in England and Wales has its registered office at 124 Horseferry Road, London SW1P 2TX. VAT no: GB 626475817 #
Re: (313) new zealand's podcast laws (was Re: Fw: Re: (313) Mad Mike interview)
The way gmail formats threads, though, one has to go through and delete each message individually. If people would follow *a simple and long-standing rule of netiquette* things would work more smoothly for everyone. On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 7:54 AM, Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Delete it then Rob Taylor VT Librarian x8599 Hatch Desk x1088 VT Library Users' Guide -Original Message- From: Frank Glazer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 09 September 2008 12:40 To: Odeluga, Ken Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) new zealand's podcast laws (was Re: Fw: Re: (313) Mad Mike interview) I disagree. I don't have any interest in reading about podcast laws and regulations. The original post was about a specific detroit related thing that I wanted to keep track of for later, but now i have to read a new email that has nothing to do with the op every time somebody replies. A subject change would easily fix this, and it's just good netiquette. On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 7:35 AM, Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No big deal really - it's still related to the event, which was in itself pretty unusual, as the post below points out. -Original Message- From: Frank Glazer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 12:32 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) new zealand's podcast laws (was Re: Fw: Re: (313) Mad Mike interview) people on this list need to learn how to change the subject lines accordingly when the original intent of the post is lost. On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 4:55 AM, pauley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BBC do exactly the same thing for podcasts of previously recorded radio shows. A podcast is a download, not listened to live, it's not a performance licence that's required by Radio NZ. UR needs to be able to collect for the use of their material from the listener, from the downloader. And as RNZ aren't in the business of selling music, and UR aren't giving it away, all they can do is make available for downlaod the material that they own the copyright to, which is the chat, not the music. I think it's it's amazing he was interviewed at all by the state broadcaster...I can't see BBC1 giving him 30 minutes during any given day. essentially it's the listener who needs to This proves once again how NZ takes America's most trumped-up regulations and makes them worse. I know there are geeks in the house who will enjoy Peter Gutmann's classic story about NZ regulation in the 1990s of digital munitions, otherwise known as cryptographic keys, or, my life as a Kiwi arms courier. http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/policy/courier.html http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/policy/wass99.html fh -- mail forwarded, original message follows -- To: 313@hyperreal.org From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Andy Mitchell Subject: Re: (313) Mad Mike interview Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 10:20:16 +1200 (NZST) They won't let you waiver - music is music to mcps/prs etc and they do close people down for it. This is a New Zealand site remember, so it's controlled by local organisation RIANZ not any American organisation. I'm guessing their fees are equally prohibitive though, because *no-one* offers podcasts or even streaming archived shows here unless they consist purely of talk. So I did some snooping and the local situation is this (turned out it was an organisation called Phonographic Performances New Zealand who control broadcast licenses here): PPNZ does not have an existing assignment to blanket licence podcasts at the present time. Any broadcaster seeking to make available music on demand is required to seek the permission of the individual copyright owners concerned. So it's more or less impossible to archive music radio online from here!Madness... -- peace, frank dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com -- peace, frank dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. Channel Four Television Corporation, created by statute under English law, is at 124 Horseferry Road, London, SW1P 2TX . 4 Ventures Limited (Company No. 04106849), incorporated in England and Wales has its registered office at 124 Horseferry Road, London SW1P 2TX. VAT no: GB 626475817 # -- peace, frank dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com
Re: (313) 313 netiquette (was new zealand's podcast laws ) was ( was Re: Fw: Re: (313) Mad Mike interview)
Hey I wanted to read about podcast law not netiquette. Could you change the subject please? I disagree. I don't have any interest in reading about podcast laws and regulations. The original post was about a specific detroit related thing that I wanted to keep track of for later, but now i have to read a new email that has nothing to do with the op every time somebody replies. A subject change would easily fix this, and it's just good netiquette. On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 7:35 AM, Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No big deal really - it's still related to the event, which was in itself pretty unusual, as the post below points out. -Original Message- From: Frank Glazer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 12:32 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) new zealand's podcast laws (was Re: Fw: Re: (313) Mad Mike interview) people on this list need to learn how to change the subject lines accordingly when the original intent of the post is lost. On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 4:55 AM, pauley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BBC do exactly the same thing for podcasts of previously recorded radio shows. A podcast is a download, not listened to live, it's not a performance licence that's required by Radio NZ. UR needs to be able to collect for the use of their material from the listener, from the downloader. And as RNZ aren't in the business of selling music, and UR aren't giving it away, all they can do is make available for downlaod the material that they own the copyright to, which is the chat, not the music. I think it's it's amazing he was interviewed at all by the state broadcaster...I can't see BBC1 giving him 30 minutes during any given day. essentially it's the listener who needs to This proves once again how NZ takes America's most trumped-up regulations and makes them worse. I know there are geeks in the house who will enjoy Peter Gutmann's classic story about NZ regulation in the 1990s of digital munitions, otherwise known as cryptographic keys, or, my life as a Kiwi arms courier. http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/policy/courier.html http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/policy/wass99.html fh -- mail forwarded, original message follows -- To: 313@hyperreal.org From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Andy Mitchell Subject: Re: (313) Mad Mike interview Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 10:20:16 +1200 (NZST) They won't let you waiver - music is music to mcps/prs etc and they do close people down for it. This is a New Zealand site remember, so it's controlled by local organisation RIANZ not any American organisation. I'm guessing their fees are equally prohibitive though, because *no-one* offers podcasts or even streaming archived shows here unless they consist purely of talk. So I did some snooping and the local situation is this (turned out it was an organisation called Phonographic Performances New Zealand who control broadcast licenses here): PPNZ does not have an existing assignment to blanket licence podcasts at the present time. Any broadcaster seeking to make available music on demand is required to seek the permission of the individual copyright owners concerned. So it's more or less impossible to archive music radio online from here!Madness... -- peace, frank dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com -- peace, frank dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com
Re: (313) new zealand's podcast laws (was Re: Fw: Re: (313) Mad Mike interview)
It's a matter of educating people about the rules of netiquette, mate. Also, I'm pretty chill. I wasn't SHOUTING was I? On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 7:41 AM, Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LOL! You don't have to read it mate! Chill. There are bigger problems in this world aren't there? :) -Original Message- From: Frank Glazer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 12:40 PM To: Odeluga, Ken Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) new zealand's podcast laws (was Re: Fw: Re: (313) Mad Mike interview) I disagree. I don't have any interest in reading about podcast laws and regulations. The original post was about a specific detroit related thing that I wanted to keep track of for later, but now i have to read a new email that has nothing to do with the op every time somebody replies. A subject change would easily fix this, and it's just good netiquette. On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 7:35 AM, Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No big deal really - it's still related to the event, which was in itself pretty unusual, as the post below points out. -Original Message- From: Frank Glazer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 12:32 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) new zealand's podcast laws (was Re: Fw: Re: (313) Mad Mike interview) people on this list need to learn how to change the subject lines accordingly when the original intent of the post is lost. On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 4:55 AM, pauley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BBC do exactly the same thing for podcasts of previously recorded radio shows. A podcast is a download, not listened to live, it's not a performance licence that's required by Radio NZ. UR needs to be able to collect for the use of their material from the listener, from the downloader. And as RNZ aren't in the business of selling music, and UR aren't giving it away, all they can do is make available for downlaod the material that they own the copyright to, which is the chat, not the music. I think it's it's amazing he was interviewed at all by the state broadcaster...I can't see BBC1 giving him 30 minutes during any given day. essentially it's the listener who needs to This proves once again how NZ takes America's most trumped-up regulations and makes them worse. I know there are geeks in the house who will enjoy Peter Gutmann's classic story about NZ regulation in the 1990s of digital munitions, otherwise known as cryptographic keys, or, my life as a Kiwi arms courier. http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/policy/courier.html http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/policy/wass99.html fh -- mail forwarded, original message follows -- To: 313@hyperreal.org From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Andy Mitchell Subject: Re: (313) Mad Mike interview Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 10:20:16 +1200 (NZST) They won't let you waiver - music is music to mcps/prs etc and they do close people down for it. This is a New Zealand site remember, so it's controlled by local organisation RIANZ not any American organisation. I'm guessing their fees are equally prohibitive though, because *no-one* offers podcasts or even streaming archived shows here unless they consist purely of talk. So I did some snooping and the local situation is this (turned out it was an organisation called Phonographic Performances New Zealand who control broadcast licenses here): PPNZ does not have an existing assignment to blanket licence podcasts at the present time. Any broadcaster seeking to make available music on demand is required to seek the permission of the individual copyright owners concerned. So it's more or less impossible to archive music radio online from here!Madness... -- peace, frank dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com -- peace, frank dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com -- peace, frank dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com
Re: (313) 313 netiquette (was new zealand's podcast laws ) was ( was Re: Fw: Re: (313) Mad Mike interview)
TOUCHE On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 8:04 AM, pauley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey I wanted to read about podcast law not netiquette. Could you change the subject please? I disagree. I don't have any interest in reading about podcast laws and regulations. The original post was about a specific detroit related thing that I wanted to keep track of for later, but now i have to read a new email that has nothing to do with the op every time somebody replies. A subject change would easily fix this, and it's just good netiquette. On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 7:35 AM, Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No big deal really - it's still related to the event, which was in itself pretty unusual, as the post below points out. -Original Message- From: Frank Glazer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 12:32 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) new zealand's podcast laws (was Re: Fw: Re: (313) Mad Mike interview) people on this list need to learn how to change the subject lines accordingly when the original intent of the post is lost. On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 4:55 AM, pauley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BBC do exactly the same thing for podcasts of previously recorded radio shows. A podcast is a download, not listened to live, it's not a performance licence that's required by Radio NZ. UR needs to be able to collect for the use of their material from the listener, from the downloader. And as RNZ aren't in the business of selling music, and UR aren't giving it away, all they can do is make available for downlaod the material that they own the copyright to, which is the chat, not the music. I think it's it's amazing he was interviewed at all by the state broadcaster...I can't see BBC1 giving him 30 minutes during any given day. essentially it's the listener who needs to This proves once again how NZ takes America's most trumped-up regulations and makes them worse. I know there are geeks in the house who will enjoy Peter Gutmann's classic story about NZ regulation in the 1990s of digital munitions, otherwise known as cryptographic keys, or, my life as a Kiwi arms courier. http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/policy/courier.html http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/policy/wass99.html fh -- mail forwarded, original message follows -- To: 313@hyperreal.org From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Andy Mitchell Subject: Re: (313) Mad Mike interview Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 10:20:16 +1200 (NZST) They won't let you waiver - music is music to mcps/prs etc and they do close people down for it. This is a New Zealand site remember, so it's controlled by local organisation RIANZ not any American organisation. I'm guessing their fees are equally prohibitive though, because *no-one* offers podcasts or even streaming archived shows here unless they consist purely of talk. So I did some snooping and the local situation is this (turned out it was an organisation called Phonographic Performances New Zealand who control broadcast licenses here): PPNZ does not have an existing assignment to blanket licence podcasts at the present time. Any broadcaster seeking to make available music on demand is required to seek the permission of the individual copyright owners concerned. So it's more or less impossible to archive music radio online from here!Madness... -- peace, frank dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com -- peace, frank dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com -- peace, frank dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com
RE: (313) new zealand's podcast laws (was Re: Fw: Re: (313) Mad Mike interview)
I delete each mail individually too and it's no bother - anyway, who's to say when the sunject has changed enough to retitle? What if it changes back to the subject? Best to not mess with it. Rob Taylor VT Librarian x8599 Hatch Desk x1088 VT Library Users' Guide -Original Message- From: Frank Glazer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 09 September 2008 13:04 To: Robert Taylor Cc: Odeluga, Ken; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) new zealand's podcast laws (was Re: Fw: Re: (313) Mad Mike interview) The way gmail formats threads, though, one has to go through and delete each message individually. If people would follow *a simple and long-standing rule of netiquette* things would work more smoothly for everyone. On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 7:54 AM, Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Delete it then Rob Taylor VT Librarian x8599 Hatch Desk x1088 VT Library Users' Guide -Original Message- From: Frank Glazer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 09 September 2008 12:40 To: Odeluga, Ken Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) new zealand's podcast laws (was Re: Fw: Re: (313) Mad Mike interview) I disagree. I don't have any interest in reading about podcast laws and regulations. The original post was about a specific detroit related thing that I wanted to keep track of for later, but now i have to read a new email that has nothing to do with the op every time somebody replies. A subject change would easily fix this, and it's just good netiquette. On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 7:35 AM, Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No big deal really - it's still related to the event, which was in itself pretty unusual, as the post below points out. -Original Message- From: Frank Glazer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 12:32 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) new zealand's podcast laws (was Re: Fw: Re: (313) Mad Mike interview) people on this list need to learn how to change the subject lines accordingly when the original intent of the post is lost. On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 4:55 AM, pauley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BBC do exactly the same thing for podcasts of previously recorded radio shows. A podcast is a download, not listened to live, it's not a performance licence that's required by Radio NZ. UR needs to be able to collect for the use of their material from the listener, from the downloader. And as RNZ aren't in the business of selling music, and UR aren't giving it away, all they can do is make available for downlaod the material that they own the copyright to, which is the chat, not the music. I think it's it's amazing he was interviewed at all by the state broadcaster...I can't see BBC1 giving him 30 minutes during any given day. essentially it's the listener who needs to This proves once again how NZ takes America's most trumped-up regulations and makes them worse. I know there are geeks in the house who will enjoy Peter Gutmann's classic story about NZ regulation in the 1990s of digital munitions, otherwise known as cryptographic keys, or, my life as a Kiwi arms courier. http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/policy/courier.html http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/policy/wass99.html fh -- mail forwarded, original message follows -- To: 313@hyperreal.org From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Andy Mitchell Subject: Re: (313) Mad Mike interview Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 10:20:16 +1200 (NZST) They won't let you waiver - music is music to mcps/prs etc and they do close people down for it. This is a New Zealand site remember, so it's controlled by local organisation RIANZ not any American organisation. I'm guessing their fees are equally prohibitive though, because *no-one* offers podcasts or even streaming archived shows here unless they consist purely of talk. So I did some snooping and the local situation is this (turned out it was an organisation called Phonographic Performances New Zealand who control broadcast licenses here): PPNZ does not have an existing assignment to blanket licence podcasts at the present time. Any broadcaster seeking to make available music on demand is required to seek the permission of the individual copyright owners concerned. So it's more or less impossible to archive music radio online from here!Madness... -- peace, frank dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com -- peace, frank dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com ## ### Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email
RE: (313) new zealand's podcast laws (was Re: Fw: Re: (313) Mad Mike interview)
F*** netiquette - what a sh!t word Rob Taylor VT Librarian x8599 Hatch Desk x1088 VT Library Users' Guide -Original Message- From: Frank Glazer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 09 September 2008 13:06 To: Odeluga, Ken Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) new zealand's podcast laws (was Re: Fw: Re: (313) Mad Mike interview) It's a matter of educating people about the rules of netiquette, mate. Also, I'm pretty chill. I wasn't SHOUTING was I? On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 7:41 AM, Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LOL! You don't have to read it mate! Chill. There are bigger problems in this world aren't there? :) -Original Message- From: Frank Glazer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 12:40 PM To: Odeluga, Ken Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) new zealand's podcast laws (was Re: Fw: Re: (313) Mad Mike interview) I disagree. I don't have any interest in reading about podcast laws and regulations. The original post was about a specific detroit related thing that I wanted to keep track of for later, but now i have to read a new email that has nothing to do with the op every time somebody replies. A subject change would easily fix this, and it's just good netiquette. On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 7:35 AM, Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No big deal really - it's still related to the event, which was in itself pretty unusual, as the post below points out. -Original Message- From: Frank Glazer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 12:32 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) new zealand's podcast laws (was Re: Fw: Re: (313) Mad Mike interview) people on this list need to learn how to change the subject lines accordingly when the original intent of the post is lost. On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 4:55 AM, pauley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BBC do exactly the same thing for podcasts of previously recorded radio shows. A podcast is a download, not listened to live, it's not a performance licence that's required by Radio NZ. UR needs to be able to collect for the use of their material from the listener, from the downloader. And as RNZ aren't in the business of selling music, and UR aren't giving it away, all they can do is make available for downlaod the material that they own the copyright to, which is the chat, not the music. I think it's it's amazing he was interviewed at all by the state broadcaster...I can't see BBC1 giving him 30 minutes during any given day. essentially it's the listener who needs to This proves once again how NZ takes America's most trumped-up regulations and makes them worse. I know there are geeks in the house who will enjoy Peter Gutmann's classic story about NZ regulation in the 1990s of digital munitions, otherwise known as cryptographic keys, or, my life as a Kiwi arms courier. http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/policy/courier.html http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/policy/wass99.html fh -- mail forwarded, original message follows -- To: 313@hyperreal.org From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Andy Mitchell Subject: Re: (313) Mad Mike interview Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 10:20:16 +1200 (NZST) They won't let you waiver - music is music to mcps/prs etc and they do close people down for it. This is a New Zealand site remember, so it's controlled by local organisation RIANZ not any American organisation. I'm guessing their fees are equally prohibitive though, because *no-one* offers podcasts or even streaming archived shows here unless they consist purely of talk. So I did some snooping and the local situation is this (turned out it was an organisation called Phonographic Performances New Zealand who control broadcast licenses here): PPNZ does not have an existing assignment to blanket licence podcasts at the present time. Any broadcaster seeking to make available music on demand is required to seek the permission of the individual copyright owners concerned. So it's more or less impossible to archive music radio online from here!Madness... -- peace, frank dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com -- peace, frank dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com -- peace, frank dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. Channel Four Television Corporation, created by statute under English law, is at 124 Horseferry Road, London, SW1P 2TX . 4 Ventures
RE: (313) new zealand's podcast laws (was Re: Fw: Re: (313) Mad Mike interview)
Whatever. -Original Message- From: Frank Glazer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 1:06 PM To: Odeluga, Ken Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) new zealand's podcast laws (was Re: Fw: Re: (313) Mad Mike interview) It's a matter of educating people about the rules of netiquette, mate. Also, I'm pretty chill. I wasn't SHOUTING was I? On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 7:41 AM, Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LOL! You don't have to read it mate! Chill. There are bigger problems in this world aren't there? :) -Original Message- From: Frank Glazer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 12:40 PM To: Odeluga, Ken Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) new zealand's podcast laws (was Re: Fw: Re: (313) Mad Mike interview) I disagree. I don't have any interest in reading about podcast laws and regulations. The original post was about a specific detroit related thing that I wanted to keep track of for later, but now i have to read a new email that has nothing to do with the op every time somebody replies. A subject change would easily fix this, and it's just good netiquette. On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 7:35 AM, Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No big deal really - it's still related to the event, which was in itself pretty unusual, as the post below points out. -Original Message- From: Frank Glazer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 12:32 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) new zealand's podcast laws (was Re: Fw: Re: (313) Mad Mike interview) people on this list need to learn how to change the subject lines accordingly when the original intent of the post is lost. On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 4:55 AM, pauley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BBC do exactly the same thing for podcasts of previously recorded radio shows. A podcast is a download, not listened to live, it's not a performance licence that's required by Radio NZ. UR needs to be able to collect for the use of their material from the listener, from the downloader. And as RNZ aren't in the business of selling music, and UR aren't giving it away, all they can do is make available for downlaod the material that they own the copyright to, which is the chat, not the music. I think it's it's amazing he was interviewed at all by the state broadcaster...I can't see BBC1 giving him 30 minutes during any given day. essentially it's the listener who needs to This proves once again how NZ takes America's most trumped-up regulations and makes them worse. I know there are geeks in the house who will enjoy Peter Gutmann's classic story about NZ regulation in the 1990s of digital munitions, otherwise known as cryptographic keys, or, my life as a Kiwi arms courier. http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/policy/courier.html http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/policy/wass99.html fh -- mail forwarded, original message follows -- To: 313@hyperreal.org From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Andy Mitchell Subject: Re: (313) Mad Mike interview Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 10:20:16 +1200 (NZST) They won't let you waiver - music is music to mcps/prs etc and they do close people down for it. This is a New Zealand site remember, so it's controlled by local organisation RIANZ not any American organisation. I'm guessing their fees are equally prohibitive though, because *no-one* offers podcasts or even streaming archived shows here unless they consist purely of talk. So I did some snooping and the local situation is this (turned out it was an organisation called Phonographic Performances New Zealand who control broadcast licenses here): PPNZ does not have an existing assignment to blanket licence podcasts at the present time. Any broadcaster seeking to make available music on demand is required to seek the permission of the individual copyright owners concerned. So it's more or less impossible to archive music radio online from here!Madness... -- peace, frank dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com -- peace, frank dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com -- peace, frank dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com
Re: (313) new zealand's podcast laws (was Re: Fw: Re: (313) Mad Mike interview)
You know what else is good netiquette? Not quoting the entire thread in every reply. On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 7:40 AM, Frank Glazer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I disagree. I don't have any interest in reading about podcast laws and regulations. The original post was about a specific detroit related thing that I wanted to keep track of for later, but now i have to read a new email that has nothing to do with the op every time somebody replies. A subject change would easily fix this, and it's just good netiquette. -- matt kane's brain techno radio at: http://hydrogenproject.com http://wzbc.org capoeira in boston http://capoeirageraisusa.com aim - mkbatwerk ; y! - mkb218 ; gtalk - mkb.dirtyorg
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C'mon guys just drop it. We get it. Move on. = Southern Outpost http://www.southernoutpost.com Sydney - San Francisco - Berlin Infiltrating your sound systems = On Sep 9, 2008, at 7:01 AM, Matt Kane's Brain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You know what else is good netiquette? Not quoting the entire thread in every reply. On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 7:40 AM, Frank Glazer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I disagree. I don't have any interest in reading about podcast laws and regulations. The original post was about a specific detroit related thing that I wanted to keep track of for later, but now i have to read a new email that has nothing to do with the op every time somebody replies. A subject change would easily fix this, and it's just good netiquette. -- matt kane's brain techno radio at: http://hydrogenproject.com http://wzbc.org capoeira in boston http://capoeirageraisusa.com aim - mkbatwerk ; y! - mkb218 ; gtalk - mkb.dirtyorg
Re: (313) new zealand's podcast laws (was Re: Fw: Re: (313) Mad Mike interview)
Bigger problems in the world than 'netiquette'?! Gedouttahere! - Original Message - From: Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Frank Glazer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 12:41 PM Subject: RE: (313) new zealand's podcast laws (was Re: Fw: Re: (313) Mad Mike interview) LOL! You don't have to read it mate! Chill. There are bigger problems in this world aren't there? :) -Original Message- From: Frank Glazer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 12:40 PM To: Odeluga, Ken Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) new zealand's podcast laws (was Re: Fw: Re: (313) Mad Mike interview) I disagree. I don't have any interest in reading about podcast laws and regulations. The original post was about a specific detroit related thing that I wanted to keep track of for later, but now i have to read a new email that has nothing to do with the op every time somebody replies. A subject change would easily fix this, and it's just good netiquette. On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 7:35 AM, Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No big deal really - it's still related to the event, which was in itself pretty unusual, as the post below points out. -Original Message- From: Frank Glazer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 12:32 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) new zealand's podcast laws (was Re: Fw: Re: (313) Mad Mike interview) people on this list need to learn how to change the subject lines accordingly when the original intent of the post is lost. On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 4:55 AM, pauley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BBC do exactly the same thing for podcasts of previously recorded radio shows. A podcast is a download, not listened to live, it's not a performance licence that's required by Radio NZ. UR needs to be able to collect for the use of their material from the listener, from the downloader. And as RNZ aren't in the business of selling music, and UR aren't giving it away, all they can do is make available for downlaod the material that they own the copyright to, which is the chat, not the music. I think it's it's amazing he was interviewed at all by the state broadcaster...I can't see BBC1 giving him 30 minutes during any given day. essentially it's the listener who needs to This proves once again how NZ takes America's most trumped-up regulations and makes them worse. I know there are geeks in the house who will enjoy Peter Gutmann's classic story about NZ regulation in the 1990s of digital munitions, otherwise known as cryptographic keys, or, my life as a Kiwi arms courier. http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/policy/courier.html http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/policy/wass99.html fh -- mail forwarded, original message follows -- To: 313@hyperreal.org From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Andy Mitchell Subject: Re: (313) Mad Mike interview Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 10:20:16 +1200 (NZST) They won't let you waiver - music is music to mcps/prs etc and they do close people down for it. This is a New Zealand site remember, so it's controlled by local organisation RIANZ not any American organisation. I'm guessing their fees are equally prohibitive though, because *no-one* offers podcasts or even streaming archived shows here unless they consist purely of talk. So I did some snooping and the local situation is this (turned out it was an organisation called Phonographic Performances New Zealand who control broadcast licenses here): PPNZ does not have an existing assignment to blanket licence podcasts at the present time. Any broadcaster seeking to make available music on demand is required to seek the permission of the individual copyright owners concerned. So it's more or less impossible to archive music radio online from here!Madness... -- peace, frank dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com -- peace, frank dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com
Re: (313) Mad Mike interview
BBC do exactly the same thing for podcasts of previously recorded radio shows. A podcast is a download, not listened to live, it's not a performance licence that's required by Radio NZ. UR needs to be able to collect for the use of their material from the listener, from the downloader. You're right Pauley, there is a difference, but as I already mentioned it seems that no-one can even offer streaming archived shows here (which is what the BBC offer for all of their music shows). Legally at least. It seems bizarre that the reason for this should be that the industry have no mechanism in place. I'm guessing it's just not profitable enough for them. It makes you wonder though - if none of the record industry organisations here have the power to grant authorisation for streaming audio, do any of them have the power to stop anyone from just going ahead and doing it? And would any one artist or label (especially an independent one) go the effort and expense of doing anything about it? Not that I'm suggesting that RNZ should be the ones to push the envelope, but maybe one of the forward thinking independent stations like the b.net or George FM could feel out the limits of the law...
RE: (313) Mad Mike interview
Hmmm. Why no license fee waiver? Was it even an issue? Seems unlikely the ISP/website would even be anywhere near being sued for airing the tracks. Odd. -Original Message- From: J.C. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 12:08 AM To: 313 Mailing List Subject: Re: (313) Mad Mike interview On 8 September 2008, Andy Mitchell wrote: (Note that the handful of musical tracks played during the interview have been cut out because they're too cheap to pay the licensing fee for 'em) Personally, I wouldn't exactly call the rate structure for internet broadcasts cheap. But then we're no longer 313 related either. :) Thanks for the link! -- San Francisco Bay Guardian's Readers Choice Award Winner: Best Radio DJ: http://www.sfbg.com/promo/pollpositions.php AIM: jckzsu (or kzsudj during my show.) Opinions are my own only, and do not necessarily represent those of KZSU Radio or Stanford University. (or words to that effect.)
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On 8 Sep 2008, at 10:18, Odeluga, Ken wrote: Hmmm. Why no license fee waiver? Was it even an issue? Seems unlikely the ISP/website would even be anywhere near being sued for airing the tracks. Odd. They won't let you waiver - music is music to mcps/prs etc and they do close people down for it. m
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Thanks Andy, always good to hear Mike. m On 7 Sep 2008, at 22:56, Andy Mitchell wrote: Mad Mike was in New Zealand with UR's DJ Skurge last week to do some community work with at risk youth, including a lunchtime show for high school kids! Mike was interviewed on state-owned broadcaster Radio New Zealand National by Kim Hill, who's an old school Barbara Walters-kinda journalist. Plenty of good talk on Mojo, car racing etc.: http://podcast.radionz.co.nz/sat/sat-20080906-1010-Playing_Favourites_with_Mad_Mike_Banks-048.mp3 (Note that the handful of musical tracks played during the interview have been cut out because they're too cheap to pay the licensing fee for 'em)
Re: (313) Mad Mike interview
Why no license fee waiver? Was it even an issue? Seems unlikely the ISP/website would even be anywhere near being sued for airing the tracks. Odd. They won't let you waiver - music is music to mcps/prs etc and they do close people down for it. This is a New Zealand site remember, so it's controlled by local organisation RIANZ not any American organisation. I'm guessing their fees are equally prohibitive though, because *no-one* offers podcasts or even streaming archived shows here unless they consist purely of talk. I was just being cheeky by calling Radio New Zealand out on it - they're not really a music station, as opposed to something like BBC's Radio 1 or 1Xtra for whom it's obviously worth the effort. Radio New Zealand do on occasion obtain artist waivers. There are some good live recordings of local and visiting artists here: http://www.radionz.co.nz/popular/music/live The music in Mike's interview wasn't all his though, so I guess they couldn't do it in this case. It is kinda crazy too, that they can archive music review features but only with all of the music cut out!! On the upside, my mate who is a proper UR fan also recorded an interview with Mike over the weekend, and it will be posted online once cut to some music tracks (we did a Theo Parrish one which was posted here a couple of years ago). Might take a minute, but I'll let you all know once it's ready...
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They won't let you waiver - music is music to mcps/prs etc and they do close people down for it. This is a New Zealand site remember, so it's controlled by local organisation RIANZ not any American organisation. I'm guessing their fees are equally prohibitive though, because *no-one* offers podcasts or even streaming archived shows here unless they consist purely of talk. So I did some snooping and the local situation is this (turned out it was an organisation called Phonographic Performances New Zealand who control broadcast licenses here): PPNZ does not have an existing assignment to blanket licence podcasts at the present time. Any broadcaster seeking to make available music on demand is required to seek the permission of the individual copyright owners concerned. So it's more or less impossible to archive music radio online from here!Madness...
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I don't know how anyone makes a living in NZ. Even the daily newspapers don't pay freelancers, crying poor, and won't send you copies or tear sheets of published work. No wonder everyone worships Peter Jackson so much - probably being an extra in Lord Of The Rings is the one way people get fed over there with the catering vans! ;) On 09/09/2008, at 7:00 AM, Andy Mitchell wrote: Why no license fee waiver? Was it even an issue? Seems unlikely the ISP/website would even be anywhere near being sued for airing the tracks. Odd. They won't let you waiver - music is music to mcps/prs etc and they do close people down for it. This is a New Zealand site remember, so it's controlled by local organisation RIANZ not any American organisation. I'm guessing their fees are equally prohibitive though, because *no-one* offers podcasts or even streaming archived shows here unless they consist purely of talk. I was just being cheeky by calling Radio New Zealand out on it - they're not really a music station, as opposed to something like BBC's Radio 1 or 1Xtra for whom it's obviously worth the effort. Radio New Zealand do on occasion obtain artist waivers. There are some good live recordings of local and visiting artists here: http://www.radionz.co.nz/popular/music/live The music in Mike's interview wasn't all his though, so I guess they couldn't do it in this case. It is kinda crazy too, that they can archive music review features but only with all of the music cut out!! On the upside, my mate who is a proper UR fan also recorded an interview with Mike over the weekend, and it will be posted online once cut to some music tracks (we did a Theo Parrish one which was posted here a couple of years ago). Might take a minute, but I'll let you all know once it's ready...
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Thanks for posting Andy! This is some great stuff. P. On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 2:56 PM, Andy Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mad Mike was in New Zealand with UR's DJ Skurge last week to do some community work with at risk youth, including a lunchtime show for high school kids! Mike was interviewed on state-owned broadcaster Radio New Zealand National by Kim Hill, who's an old school Barbara Walters-kinda journalist. Plenty of good talk on Mojo, car racing etc.: http://podcast.radionz.co.nz/sat/sat-20080906-1010-Playing_Favourites_with_Mad_Mike_Banks-048.mp3 (Note that the handful of musical tracks played during the interview have been cut out because they're too cheap to pay the licensing fee for 'em) -- -- Southern Outpost Sydney - San Francisco - Berlin http://www.southernoutpost.com --
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google pay for play. you might learn something. careful on the replies though tom, this email is the hook, and your reply is the bite. - Original Message - From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 6:33 PM Subject: Re: (313) mad mike interview link On 2/13/07, /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: americans are one big flock of sheep, with pop culture playing the part of the shepherd. think if you want to make a third grade argument out of it, maybe. otherwise, until you prove to me that americans developed all those styles of music amongst other things by being sheep, good luck with that one. try it on an 8 year old instead! tom
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you'll have to explain this message, r3dshift. it's a bit too cryptic for my feeble brain. thanks, aidan On 14/02/07, /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: google pay for play. you might learn something. careful on the replies though tom, this email is the hook, and your reply is the bite. - Original Message - From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 6:33 PM Subject: Re: (313) mad mike interview link On 2/13/07, /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: americans are one big flock of sheep, with pop culture playing the part of the shepherd. think if you want to make a third grade argument out of it, maybe. otherwise, until you prove to me that americans developed all those styles of music amongst other things by being sheep, good luck with that one. try it on an 8 year old instead! tom
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Maybe you didn't say other music from around the world wasn't as great as American forms but you did imply it. Just take a look at the below statements you made during this conversation. MEK Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 02/13/2007 05:38:13 PM: On 2/13/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: traditional musics from all around the world Just because they don't have a global reach (because of a lack of necessity and capitalistic marketing) doesn't mean that, say Gamelan music, isn't as great as American Blues. You have a very ethnocentric view on music. i didnt say it wasnt as great --- Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 02/13/2007 03:43:46 PM: On 2/13/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Individuality is not as big a deal in other countries/cultures that have created great music equal to that of America's. name these great musics and compare them to this list: hiphop, soul, blues, funk, disco, house, techno, electro, rock and roll, punk, jazz ---
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Thanks for posting that, I found it very moving. On 12 Feb 2007, at 17:38, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: don't know if it was posted before for all UR chobo's around http://www.de-bug.de/texte/4639.html
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This line I thought was the most pertinent in the whole interview. We need our city and manufacturing leaders to travel overseas and to realize what Mass Transit means to a city. We don`t have it and we have land locked communities, with land locked thoughts and values. There is no interaction unless you have the luxury of a car which a lot of people can`t afford. The situation is grey. -Original Message- From: Dan Bean [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 February 2007 00:18 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) mad mike interview link Thanks for posting that, I found it very moving. On 12 Feb 2007, at 17:38, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: don't know if it was posted before for all UR chobo's around http://www.de-bug.de/texte/4639.html For all the latest news and comment visit telegraph.co.uk, the UK's most visited quality newspaper website. This e-mail is from Telegraph Media Group Limited - 111 Buckingham Palace Road, London, SW1W 0DT registered in England under No 451593. This message, its contents and any attachments to it are private and confidential. Any unauthorised disclosure, use or dissemination of the whole or part of this message (without our prior written consent) is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately. Neither we nor the sender accepts any responsibility for viruses and it is your responsibility to scan attachments (if any). The content of this email does not necessarily reflect our views or those of our officers and we take no responsibility for the views of the author. Emails sent and received may be read by people other than the intended recipient and may be monitored to ensure efficient operation of our email systems. Incoming and outgoing telephone calls to our offices may be monitored or recorded for training and quality control purposes and for confirming orders and information.
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It would be great if the people mover actually moved people places. It looks ace. http://www.thepeoplemover.com/ robin... Toby Frith wrote: This line I thought was the most pertinent in the whole interview. We need our city and manufacturing leaders to travel overseas and to realize what Mass Transit means to a city. We don`t have it and we have land locked communities, with land locked thoughts and values. There is no interaction unless you have the luxury of a car which a lot of people can`t afford. The situation is grey.
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Everybody in Detroit knows the bus system and the peoplemover is a sad joke. It originally was supposed to go all the way down to New Center and back which would have really helped pull at least the center of the city together but who in the hell knows what happened to all that money. It only goes in a one mile circle around downtown which is absolutely useless considering that most of the people that work downtown commuter there by car. This city government is absolutely corrupt, the mentality of the streets goes all the way to the top. Mike is 100% on the money with that statement. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: robin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Toby Frith [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) mad mike interview link Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 10:47:48 + It would be great if the people mover actually moved people places. It looks ace. http://www.thepeoplemover.com/ robin... Toby Frith wrote: This line I thought was the most pertinent in the whole interview. We need our city and manufacturing leaders to travel overseas and to realize what Mass Transit means to a city. We don`t have it and we have land locked communities, with land locked thoughts and values. There is no interaction unless you have the luxury of a car which a lot of people can`t afford. The situation is grey.
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pic reminds me of springfield's monorail On 13/02/07, Cliff Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Everybody in Detroit knows the bus system and the peoplemover is a sad joke. It originally was supposed to go all the way down to New Center and back which would have really helped pull at least the center of the city together but who in the hell knows what happened to all that money. It only goes in a one mile circle around downtown which is absolutely useless considering that most of the people that work downtown commuter there by car. This city government is absolutely corrupt, the mentality of the streets goes all the way to the top. Mike is 100% on the money with that statement. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: robin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Toby Frith [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) mad mike interview link Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 10:47:48 + It would be great if the people mover actually moved people places. It looks ace. http://www.thepeoplemover.com/ robin... Toby Frith wrote: This line I thought was the most pertinent in the whole interview. We need our city and manufacturing leaders to travel overseas and to realize what Mass Transit means to a city. We don`t have it and we have land locked communities, with land locked thoughts and values. There is no interaction unless you have the luxury of a car which a lot of people can`t afford. The situation is grey.
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Monorail! Monorail! Monorail! Monorail! :) robin... Aidan O'Doherty wrote: pic reminds me of springfield's monorail
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Mr.Mike nailed it on the head with that comment. Detroit IS landlocked in many ways and for years the people who live there have screamed for a well working public transit system. The people who continue to travel around the world bring back as much cultural soundbites as they can- but it can only go so far with out inner-circle political support. I remember the excitement when that big company from Africa was supposed to restore the train station and put in a super train. It not happening was disheartening. Seriously, what would it take for a train from Detroit to Ann Arbor or to Lansing and Grand Rapids? Perhaps a swallowing of egos, which is a big price. Or let's just start with a good bus system. Actually, let's just start with properly plowing ALL Detroit roads...no matter what street you live on. Today a bunch of men in Detroit will decide whether or not they close an auto plant in Delaware. Yes, it isn't Michigan but just imagine taking those unemployed and hiring them to put together a big-three train...for their bosses to think outside of the box and FINALLY catch up to the worker-to-boss philosophies that propel their foreign competitors. (btw a close family member was one of the lead white/blue collar mediators for EDS for the Saturn project whose ideas are based on the Japanese way of automaking) I'm at a point in my life where I'm deciding where to settle down. I have thought many times about moving back to Michigan. However the dropping economy (which started declining over 5 years ago), the poor school systems and the land wickedness as Mad Mike calls it what will continue to keep me, and others, from moving back.More power to the people that stay and continue to believe in and put their energy to Detroit. good for him.however it's nothing new. d ps. sorry for the bad spelling and grammar. --- robin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would be great if the people mover actually moved people places. It looks ace. http://www.thepeoplemover.com/ robin... Toby Frith wrote: This line I thought was the most pertinent in the whole interview. We need our city and manufacturing leaders to travel overseas and to realize what Mass Transit means to a city. We don`t have it and we have land locked communities, with land locked thoughts and values. There is no interaction unless you have the luxury of a car which a lot of people can`t afford. The situation is grey. Have a burning question? Go to www.Answers.yahoo.com and get answers from real people who know.
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On 2/13/07, Toby Frith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This line I thought was the most pertinent in the whole interview. We need our city and manufacturing leaders to travel overseas and to realize what Mass Transit means to a city. We don`t have it and we have land locked communities, with land locked thoughts and values. There is no interaction unless you have the luxury of a car which a lot of people can`t afford. The situation is grey. This is true of a LOT of places in the USA. Were I live, in Chicago, it's much better compared to Detroit, and I and many friends are able to live without cars by choice. However, compared to any decent European transit system, even this good transit system is horrible. We often get around this by taking taxis, which people with less income cannot afford (of course, in Detroit even taxis are almost impossible to get). The problems with the transit here are numerous: Many locations in the city inaccessible, or barely accessible. Ridiculously long waits in locations exposed to the weather (not good in winter weather). Lack of repair, and when repair/upgrading does get done, it paralyzes the transit system at certain points. Inability to handle the number of commuters who ride at peak points. Buses that come extremely late or not at all. Rising transit costs, coupled with decreasing service... In my opinion, the lack of good public transit in the US is really related to something fundamentally wrong with the American value system and its promotion of individualism at all costs.
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David Powers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 02/13/2007 11:37:19 AM: something fundamentally wrong with the American value system Hammer and its promotion of individualism at all costs. Nail Pound away MEK
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On 2/13/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David Powers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 02/13/2007 11:37:19 AM: something fundamentally wrong with the American value system Hammer and its promotion of individualism at all costs. Nail Pound away come on though, would such great music be created in america if individuality wasnt such a big deal here? i dont think so! tom
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On 2/13/07, Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: come on though, would such great music be created in america if individuality wasnt such a big deal here? i dont think so! tom Yes. Until the birth of electronic music, most music was NOT created by just an individual. Take any great jazz group (for me, the classic groups of Thelonius Monk, Miles Davis, or John Coltrane) and you will find that the individuality of the players is expressed in such a way that it complements the what is being expressed by the group as a whole. Individual identity only emerges through group interaction - perhaps such a process could properly be called dialectical. And in classical/orchestral music, great classical composers might have heard amazing, totally original music in their heads, but getting the music performed required convincing some hapless musicians that the music was worth learning and performing. Only with electronic music, is it possible to get rid of the group and create without consideration for others. This is probably a double edged sword. I'm glad I can make my own CD with only a cheap $50 computer, especially considering I've written a string quartet that has never been performed, that is just sitting in a box in my closet. But collective music making is a very rewarding experience, and I often miss it these days. Also, there are reasons why I think art, even the kind made by a lone individual, is NEVER really individualistic, but it gets into the philosophical nature of language as socially constructed, and the preconditions of artistic expression, so it's probably better reserved for something like the microsound list. Suffice it to say that anyone who releases a CD, obviously imagines some kind of audience for their music, even if it's an imaginary/ideal audience. To bring it back to the Mad Mike interview: it would seem that some of the frustration of the Detroit techno pioneers (including 2nd wave), is precisely in the tremendous gap between the imagined audience, which includes some significant audience in the African-American community, and the real audience, which is more or less European and white. This gap between the imagined audience and the real audience raises a lot of interesting questions about what how culture is enjoyed, by who, and why. ~David
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Individuality is not as big a deal in other countries/cultures that have created great music equal to that of America's. And often you find a lack of privilege and entitlement amongst those cultures. MEK Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 02/13/2007 03:05:09 PM: On 2/13/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David Powers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 02/13/2007 11:37:19 AM: something fundamentally wrong with the American value system Hammer and its promotion of individualism at all costs. Nail Pound away come on though, would such great music be created in america if individuality wasnt such a big deal here? i dont think so! tom
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On 2/13/07, David Powers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes. Until the birth of electronic music, most music was NOT created by just an individual. sure, but if every musical decision was made by group decision, would these things have happened? there's always someone who steps out of line with everything else and just does their own thing. as far as modern music, it cant just be coincidence how many times that has happened with american music. hiphop, soul, blues, funk, disco, house, techno, electro, rock and roll, punk, jazz, the list can go on and on. Take any great jazz group (for me, the classic groups of Thelonius Monk, Miles Davis, or John Coltrane) and you will find that the individuality of the players is expressed in such a way that it complements the what is being expressed by the group as a whole. Individual identity only emerges through group interaction - perhaps such a process could properly be called dialectical. what about monk's solo work? or any number of jazz band leaders who dictated what was gonna happen? people had to submit to someone's personal ideas about music. individuality expressed through a group setting! And in classical/orchestral music, great classical composers might have heard amazing, totally original music in their heads, but getting the music performed required convincing some hapless musicians that the music was worth learning and performing. but it still was rooted in one person's mind. it was not a collective writing process. Only with electronic music, is it possible to get rid of the group and create without consideration for others. This is probably a double edged sword. I'm glad I can make my own CD with only a cheap $50 computer, especially considering I've written a string quartet that has never been performed, that is just sitting in a box in my closet. But collective music making is a very rewarding experience, and I often miss it these days. im not saying its the only way, but it is a valid way that wouldnt come about if people were only worried about pleasing groups of people. tom
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On 2/13/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Individuality is not as big a deal in other countries/cultures that have created great music equal to that of America's. name these great musics and compare them to this list: hiphop, soul, blues, funk, disco, house, techno, electro, rock and roll, punk, jazz and im sure there's more. but im not discounting any other countries' musical outputs. i am saying that there are good reasons the US has created so much good music, and one of those reasons is the fact that individuality is so cherished here. And often you find a lack of privilege and entitlement amongst those cultures. dood, im a socialist. i believe in doing things for the people. but one of the primary flaws of the socialism that this planet has seen is its lack of regard for individuality. should everyone dress the same? listen to the same music? do the same exact things? no, they should be able to do as they please. if that comes out in people choosing cars then so be it. the argument also oversimplified the reason cars are so popular here. we live in a much more spread out landmass than all of europe. its definitely MORE convenient to have people moving about in a small space in as efficient manner as possible. here, with so many possible destinations spread out over such a huge area, its not the same. tom
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re: techno- couldn't you really credit the roots (the start of the chain reaction) to germany and well we won't point any fingers for Giorgio Moroder and what his productions lead to (viva Italia). ? diana --- Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/13/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Individuality is not as big a deal in other countries/cultures that have created great music equal to that of America's. name these great musics and compare them to this list: hiphop, soul, blues, funk, disco, house, techno, electro, rock and roll, punk, jazz and im sure there's more. but im not discounting any other countries' musical outputs. i am saying that there are good reasons the US has created so much good music, and one of those reasons is the fact that individuality is so cherished here. And often you find a lack of privilege and entitlement amongst those cultures. dood, im a socialist. i believe in doing things for the people. but one of the primary flaws of the socialism that this planet has seen is its lack of regard for individuality. should everyone dress the same? listen to the same music? do the same exact things? no, they should be able to do as they please. if that comes out in people choosing cars then so be it. the argument also oversimplified the reason cars are so popular here. we live in a much more spread out landmass than all of europe. its definitely MORE convenient to have people moving about in a small space in as efficient manner as possible. here, with so many possible destinations spread out over such a huge area, its not the same. tom Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/
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On 2/13/07, diana potts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: re: techno- couldn't you really credit the roots (the start of the chain reaction) to germany and well we won't point any fingers for Giorgio Moroder and what his productions lead to (viva Italia). both giorgio and kraftwerk took much influence from american music: see the quote about kraftwerk studying james brown's rhythm and just about any good moroder interview where he talks about motown and how he copied many of his ideas from american r+b. but that isnt the point, of course, and its not the argument i was trying to make. i was simply pointing out how many innovations have come from american (not even just in music, in general!) minds and that the focus on individuality has something to do with that. tom
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I agree on the whole with your views on this one tom. I'd like to point out, that even though America pushes individualism in every way, it has contrived some ingenious ways of sneaking conformity into the mix. It's almost like subgenres to me. You can think you're being individual by buying the most extreme clothing in dark tones and wearing shocking makeup and even bones around your neck, but in the end...you're just being goth. Or nerdy, or preppy, or gangsta, or any of the other prefabbed individual identities already marketed and concepted out for you by the corresponding media. Art zines, hip-hop zines, geek zines. They all come with their own sense of fashion and identity. Some kind of collective individuality. That's an oxymoron to most thinking people, but it's what most Americans engage in when they believe they're expressing their individuality. So that issue is a much more complex one in America due to the spread and almost ravenous feeding upon/profiting from of trends and fads. One kid may have been being an individual, but as soon as he gets a shot in someones blog, there's the rest coming to sign up. I'd even say, that save for the few visionaries, individualism is almost non-existent in America. I mean people still vote based on who they think will get the most votes (as opposed to who they believe in)and will openly say so in front of cameras. As someone said recently :)The situation is grey. k -Original Message- From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 5:24 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) mad mike interview link On 2/13/07, diana potts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: re: techno- couldn't you really credit the roots (the start of the chain reaction) to germany and well we won't point any fingers for Giorgio Moroder and what his productions lead to (viva Italia). both giorgio and kraftwerk took much influence from american music: see the quote about kraftwerk studying james brown's rhythm and just about any good moroder interview where he talks about motown and how he copied many of his ideas from american r+b. but that isnt the point, of course, and its not the argument i was trying to make. i was simply pointing out how many innovations have come from american (not even just in music, in general!) minds and that the focus on individuality has something to do with that. tom
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americans are one big flock of sheep, with pop culture playing the part of the shepherd. think - Original Message - From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 4:05 PM Subject: Re: (313) mad mike interview link On 2/13/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David Powers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 02/13/2007 11:37:19 AM: something fundamentally wrong with the American value system Hammer and its promotion of individualism at all costs. Nail Pound away come on though, would such great music be created in america if individuality wasnt such a big deal here? i dont think so! tom
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name these great musics and compare them to this list: traditional musics from all around the world Just because they don't have a global reach (because of a lack of necessity and capitalistic marketing) doesn't mean that, say Gamelan music, isn't as great as American Blues. You have a very ethnocentric view on music. And often you find a lack of privilege and entitlement amongst those cultures. dood, im a socialist. i believe in doing things for the people. but one of the primary flaws of the socialism that this planet has seen is its lack of regard for individuality. should everyone dress the same? listen to the same music? do the same exact things? no, they should be able to do as they please. Wouldn't have thought you believed that from some of the arguments you've made. Anyway, socialism has never had much of a chance here with The Red Scare, Better Dead than Red and all that 1940s b.s. Socialism has developed in other countries and in some it actually does alright. the argument also oversimplified the reason cars are so popular here. we live in a much more spread out landmass than all of europe. That occurred after WW2. Look at all the eastern New England cities. They are built and developed like European cities (hence the name). All of our problems that we contend with today in regard to transportation arose after WW2. Cities lost cable cars and installed buses, highways were built across country and train services decreased while air travel increased. Oil/petroleum pretty much sums it up. Detroit's industry was a cause of it and Detroit was a product of it and has suffered because of it. Why would any of the big 3 auto makers support public transport in Detroit? I suggest this great book on the subject Private Pleasure, Public Plight: American Metropolitan Community Life in Comparative Perspective - David Popenoe A social and cultural analysis of community life in metropolitan areas of the USA, Sweden and England. The author focuses on how environment and culture interact to shape human behavior. Despite their similarities, the three societies vary widely, offering opportunities to compare and contrast. its definitely MORE convenient to have people moving about in a small space in as efficient manner as possible. here, with so many possible destinations spread out over such a huge area, its not the same. But are those destinations really there because of necessity or because of desire? The sense of place is warped here in the US. MEK
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On 2/13/07, kate simko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i usually hold back from responding to these quasi-political posts on the list. but, i feel the need to say that you are not really talking about american music here; you are talking about black music. jazz, blues, rock, soul, funk, hip-hop, disco, house, etc. are all black music genres. you dont have to explain that to me, ive argued that exact point on this list for years now. that is part of the equation, but the fact is that there are other places where black people were enslaved and repressed and killed that DIDN'T create musics like black people in america did. that alone is not the cause, it is the specific american attitude combined with that repression and other variables. odd that you excluded rock and roll as black music though ;) tom
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On 2/13/07, /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: americans are one big flock of sheep, with pop culture playing the part of the shepherd. think if you want to make a third grade argument out of it, maybe. otherwise, until you prove to me that americans developed all those styles of music amongst other things by being sheep, good luck with that one. try it on an 8 year old instead! tom
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odd that you excluded rock and roll as black music though ;) It's not entirely black music. Appalachian folk/country music had a huge impact on it (melodically). That music has it's roots in immigrants from Scotland and Ireland. MEK
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On 2/13/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: traditional musics from all around the world Just because they don't have a global reach (because of a lack of necessity and capitalistic marketing) doesn't mean that, say Gamelan music, isn't as great as American Blues. You have a very ethnocentric view on music. i didnt say it wasnt as great. i was asking for one place, that in such a short amount of time, created such diverse and world reaching music. and the answer is it doesnt exist. and thats because of that individuality here: music from chicago didnt sound like music from detroit or music from anywhere else. everyone did their own thing, and the world has been rewarded for that. But are those destinations really there because of necessity or because of desire? The sense of place is warped here in the US. or maybe the sense of place is warped elsewhere! it all depends on how you look at it. the environment is going to shape these things. the environment here is very different from europe and other places with more sophisticated mass transit. not that im against mass transit, i love it quite a bit, but sometimes things make sense one place and not another. tom
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he makes some interesting points about why dance music is dada in states. i would not have considered blaming european labels for the failure of house/techno to take hold in america. if house/techno had not exploded in uk/europe when it did, and the artists had stayed in their home towns, would the situation be radically different today? or was it always destined to be marginalised? if the likes of virgin had made a concerted effort to market the music in america, would it have more of a following now? was this http://www.discogs.com/release/65112 released in the states? On 12/02/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: don't know if it was posted before for all UR chobo's around http://www.de-bug.de/texte/4639.html
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Subject: Re: (313) mad mike interview link he makes some interesting points about why dance music is dada in states. i would not have considered blaming european labels for the failure of house/techno to take hold in america. It's a good point, given enough time for it to grow and with the support would the outcome have been different? See the Grime scene in the UK if house/techno had not exploded in uk/europe when it did, and the artists had stayed in their home towns, would the situation be radically different today? or was it always destined to be marginalised? We'll never know...so you could talk about it until the cows come home. if the likes of virgin had made a concerted effort to market the music in america, would it have more of a following now? was this http://www.discogs.com/release/65112 released in the states? Or without Neil would we be looking at a different scene completely? http://www.de-bug.de/texte/4639.html
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Yes, as an import. ;-) MEK Aidan O'Doherty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 02/12/2007 03:08:17 PM: he makes some interesting points about why dance music is dada in states. i would not have considered blaming european labels for the failure of house/techno to take hold in america. if house/techno had not exploded in uk/europe when it did, and the artists had stayed in their home towns, would the situation be radically different today? or was it always destined to be marginalised? if the likes of virgin had made a concerted effort to market the music in america, would it have more of a following now? was this http://www.discogs.com/release/65112 released in the states? On 12/02/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: don't know if it was posted before for all UR chobo's around http://www.de-bug.de/texte/4639.html
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Selon Svagr, Jodie [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hey Dimitri, how've you been? Its been ages since my last email to you via myspace. I've been so busy, but now a few slow days has resulted in time to write endless hyperreal books... lol I'm fine, glad to see you writing 'hyperreal' books again ... he he Thanks for the info about who the makers of the video are, I will follow up. Yeah, I think their job desserves attention since it looks pointed on right things and freshly done. These kinds of things can only help the whole eletronic scene; As for the info about the meaning of high tech, its agreed and understood that high tech is associated with the music they create, but in the context of what he was referring to, I believe you have misunderstood his meaning. Hmm error from my side, I've explained the term ' High Tech ' from a pure records and dj point of view out of the context of the video. Thinking that 'somewhere' only 'those who know' could understand all the meaning behind. I think you are from those who know, no problem on this question, I've just replyed too quickly from the dj point of view. High tech has been used so often in association with records, that I can understand why you may have understood his statement differently than I. My understanding of it was that he used the term to describe a lifestyle that UR lives by. From my experiences with Mike, and as it said in the video, he's an avid supporter of his neighborhood, and he really makes an effort to work with the kids. Mike typically wont talk music without bringing the conversation to talk of contributing to the neighborhood. He finds the two, music and contribution, completely linked, which is probably why he uses the term high tech to describe both. At least that is my understanding of it. It is also and definitely my understanding of it, I just don't use it as a way to explain if a random electronic music lover I could meet anywhere during any event/moment ask me why I love so much UR/Detroit and all related artists music. I generally reply it's the vibe I feel and it's funky, free to them to discover more or not. It's their choice, not mine. I realise that talk of contributing to the neighborhoods is not necessarily a hyperreal list related topic. I was inspired by the UR video, figured I should respect the ethos Mike lives by and try to bring the conversation to talk of contributing to neighborhoods. Especially since so many people on this list are avid researchers and music enthusiasts of Detroit, I was wondering if anyone has ever found interesting ways to contribute to the cities neighborhoods. Sure, it's not very '313 list' as a subject, but imo it desserves to be discussing. A lot of peoples on this list, not the top actives ones, but a lot never visited Detoit. Some would be certainly happy to hear comments and opinions not writed by journalists who love to expand and re arrange things like they want them to be, to keep a correct amount of readers, to exite them I don't know, but to uninform them for sure. With sometimes too much words about the bad side of Detroit, they help it to stay in the ghetto picture, there is good things in Detroit,, Submerge being the most beautiful example at some points. A bit of an open-ended question, I know, and if someone asked me the same thing, I'm not sure how would I respond. Speaking of what I have done and am trying to do would contradict my humble beliefs for wanting to contribute. I personally prefer to be an unrecognized soldier in the mix of helping the movement. I have quite a few stories I'd love to share about interesting ways other people have contributed to the city, but since I've already written a book, I figure I'll leave the stories for another time. Unknown (or unrecognized) soldiers, it's what most of the supporters are. If anyone else has any interesting stories of ways people have contributed to the city, I'd love to hear, it may bring a bit of a smile to this dreary rainy holiday season. lol I guess you'll find easily. Out for now... Jodie Same here ;-) Peace -- Dimitri Pike http://wildtek.free.fr http://www.myspace.com/wildtek
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I realise that talk of contributing to the neighborhoods is not necessarily a hyperreal list related topic. Sure, it's not very '313 list' as a subject, but imo it desserves to be discussing. A lot of peoples on this list, not the top actives ones, but a lot never visited Detoit. Some would be certainly happy to hear comments and opinions not writed by journalists who love to expand and re arrange things like they want them to be, to keep a correct amount of readers, to exite them I don't know, but to uninform them for sure. With sometimes too much words about the bad side of Detroit, they help it to stay in the ghetto picture, there is good things in Detroit,, Submerge being the most beautiful example at some points. It's funny that both of you think this is a non-list topic. I think it's bang on topic for the list personally and would love to hear more about this side of things. Better than some of the topics we've had recently, ahem. robin...
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Word is Bornd. happy monday everyone! It's funny that both of you think this is a non-list topic. I think it's bang on topic for the list personally and would love to hear more about this side of things. Better than some of the topics we've had recently, ahem. robin...
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It's funny that both of you think this is a non-list topic. I think it's bang on topic for the list personally and would love to hear more about this side of things. Better than some of the topics we've had recently, ahem. robin... If we enter this topic, I take my best working keyboard, the one with multimedia options/accessories and little space at bottom to support our tired hands along a big coffee .. ;-) No seriously, it's interesting to discuss about what Detroit peoples are doing in and around Detroit to reach a better way of life, at least to change the most bad things related to the city. Happy with it or not, the city has put a lot of efforts to renovate Dowtown, ok, I already hear a lot of peoples coming to say yeah but they destructed the old Motown Building and few other historic ones, they invest only in Downtown, the SuperBall is the only reason, etc... True but in same time this have a dynamic and positive action on the Detoit 'view from visitors' who mostly don't care of the old motown building, who don't come to Detroit since years because it's still the murder capital in their mind. And there is some who care about the SuperBall, some of them being truely techno fans or simply who would love to know more about the city and don't do it just because of the bad reputation. Detroit was in the top ten of murder city in USA past years and today it's not anymore the first one... After years at top, it's something appreciable to see that Detroit is becoming maybe more 'cool'. Even if it's still very hard, I agree. there is still cops found dead in the back of supermarkets ... On a more precise point, about peoples living there, there is teams and associations of peoples who act right and move things like organising groups who goes during sunday morning to Cass Corridor ( well know area regarding drugs, guns, homeless peoples, it's history ...) and try to clean up as they can the area, sure it's not revolutionnary but they do it and it's already something better than staying behind tv, there is mountain Bike clubs, there is photography clubs and meetings, the fall down of the industry is definitely responsible of the decay, the lot of homeless peoples and criminal things we know, of course, no job = no money, no money = another way to eat each day. But in these sad things, a lot of artists and peoples found a benefit or something to use at their motor to growth and expand ... I think if UR today is strong, it's because they suffered of this environement, they found a way to extract the good things from the bad ones and today, they make a living out of it. It's all positive. I read/hear a lot of peoples saying it's stupid to create lofts in Downtown or in another area because there is no one to rent them at this price... Ok, but with the effort to renovate Detroit done by a lot, each one at his level, why not count on future moves to Detroit of business owners, even if they creates jobs for only 2/3 peoples, its again already something. And it's again a benefit for atists since in place of making music out of the decay, hardlife, they could work with business owners for their multimedia promo campaigns, with tv's, radio's, all sound design related jobs for the business side as well as producing for the art side... Of course, there is tons of other problems and toubles much more important but from my position, as I can hear and see from peoples I know, I 'm optimist regarding the future of this city. There is little actions there and there, an envy from a lot to live in a better environement, it's relatively fresh, I mean ten or twenty years ago, this positive thinking was out of question if we relate to all what we hear about Detroit from medias, artists themselves, various travellers experiences... Open to the discusion ! Dimitri -- Dimitri Pike http://wildtek.free.fr http://www.myspace.com/wildtek
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Some would be certainly happy to hear comments and opinions not writed by journalists who love to expand and re arrange things like they want them to be, to keep a correct amount of readers, to exite them I don't know, but to uninform them for sure. I hear that a lot but I think it's a terrible generalisation. I think you only need to visit blogs and forums online by non media types to find a far bit of similar misinformation. It's a human trait. Many journalists do strive to be balanced and accurate. I've written for many papers and I've never been told to write things in such a way as to misrepresent them like that. Also music journalists are among the most underpaid in this industry - it's not something you do for glamour and power or whatever you may think. ;)
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It's funny that both of you think this is a non-list topic. I think it's bang on topic for the list personally and would love to hear more about this side of things. Better than some of the topics we've had recently, ahem. robin... If we enter this topic, I take my best working keyboard, the one with multimedia options/accessories and little space at bottom to support our tired hands along a big coffee .. ;-) No seriously, it's interesting to discuss about what Detroit peoples are doing in and around Detroit to reach a better way of life, at least to change the most bad things related to the city. I'm really happy to hear that people are taking note in the positive things that are happening, and I def agree Robin, this topic is more interesting than some of the I know more about this topic than you... posts people sometimes get carried away with, Ahem. I prefer topics like this, ones that will transfer new knowledge about the city whilst pairing it with historical references. Happy with it or not, the city has put a lot of efforts to renovate Dowtown, ok, I already hear a lot of peoples coming to say yeah but they destructed the old Motown Building and few other historic ones, they invest only in Downtown, the SuperBall is the only reason, etc... True This actually isnt completely true, even though it may seem so. The mayor has a rather interesting vision about the developments of the city. He's trying to change the entire status quo, the industry, the way people survive and make money, and most importantly, the way people view the city and its history. Its a massive movement he is pushing forward. Yes, he's put a lot of effort into the downtown area at the moment, the reason being, is that for years and years, the business people of downtown would drive their cars into the parking garages, park, walk in the overhead enclosed walkways into their pristine offices, work their 9-5, and then walk back to their cars via the overhead walkways, and then drive back to the suburbs, where they would spend the money they made in Detroit, on goods and restaurants in the suburbs. The mayor wants to change this, so at the 300th anniversary of Detroit, they launched the new park, Campus Martius, which is located up the street a bit from Hart Plaza. The entire purpose of this park is to be the catalyst for the renovations of the city. 7 days a week, 365 days a year, the park implements events that are designed to encourage people to form a community. Music, Movies, Art, Performances, Dancing, everything you could imagine. All of the programming done, as well, encorporates businesses from the outlying areas, trying to show people that lots of things happen in the city, even outside of the downtown area. In addition, the park is available for rentals, weddings, techno fest parties, and fashion shows. The first two years was a very slow time for this park, not a lot of people attended the events, unless it was a special occassion. But through this patience and programming, the park last summer went from having 1-3 bookings per month, to having more than 6-9per week. And as expected, the city is expanding this change outwards. They are redoing the walkways, building additional parks, and encouraging developments by working with the local restaurants and shops, even the very small ones, in order to get people, outsiders of the city, to know and understand how great a place it is to visit. As for the Super Bowl being the only reason, thats not true, many of these renovations had begun prior to the Super Bowl craze. Its just that the Super Bowl kicked into high gear and pushed Detroiter's to finish their renovations as quickly as possible. No wonder, because the city and its citizens made an absolute fortune during that time. Plus it was a chance to show people that Detroiter's really know how to put on great entertainment, and not just via record sales, but via massive arts events with performance art, and anything imaginable really. but in same time this have a dynamic and positive action on the Detoit 'view from visitors' who mostly don't care of the old motown building, who don't come to Detroit since years because it's still the murder capital in their mind. And there is some who care about the SuperBall, some of them being truely techno fans or simply who would love to know more about the city and don't do it just because of the bad reputation. Detroit was in the top ten of murder city in USA past years and today it's not anymore the first one... Last I heard, these numbers of murders are on the rise again. Our favourite president Bush implemented a fabulous new law regarding the schools and most of the music programmes across the country have been removed in favour of pushing the sciences and maths. Historically, Detroit had some of the strongest school music programmes in the country, and this removal has caused a lot of uneasy rest
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Well, since you ask Jodie, I can suggest that people look at the brilliant work of The Heidelberg Project. http://www.urban75.com/Mag/heidel.html This also neatly dovetails with the idea you mention Jodie, of 'Hi-Tech' being synonymous with both music *and* community work, seeing as we also have the music project below with the same name. Also, someone once explained to me that there was a link, although that escapes me now - still, I know the name is not just used because it's cool. It's also quite appropriate that the contribution of the music to the 'real' project is low-key http://www.discogs.com/artist/Heidelberg+Project -Original Message- From: Svagr, Jodie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 17 December 2006 21:25 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) mad mike interview big snip to abridge that 'book', or maybe you really *did* write one!?!?! :). If so, no offence intended. *** If anyone else has any interesting stories of ways people have contributed to the city, I'd love to hear, it may bring a bit of a smile to this dreary rainy holiday season. lol Out for now... Jodie From: Wildtek Concept / DJ Dimitri Pike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sun 17/12/2006 18:53 To: Svagr, Jodie Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) mad mike interview Makes me want to ask a curious question to all of the 313ers, has anyone from this list ever brought any of the high-tec that Mike's talking about to Detroit? Yes, this interview is definitely great, it's done by Slice DVD, correct me if I'm wrong ... http://www.eb-slices.net/ For 'High Tech' correct me again if I'm wrong but : High Tech is defining most of the UR and others Submerge distributions, a way to separate UR from the all techno/electro music available on the market. All Interstellar Fugitives tracks, a lot of Metroplex releases, I would say all tracks not 4/4 techno rythm are 'High Tech'. There is a 'High Tech Funk' logo on a lot of releases, if you own some cd's/vinyls from Submerge, there is a lot of chances that you'll find it somewhere on the packaging. Hope this help, Peace. -- Dimitri Pike http://wildtek.free.fr http://wildtek.free.fr/ http://www.myspace.com/wildtek
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Hey Ken, Tyree's contribution to the city is unmistakable. lol I did mention this in the 2nd book I wrote a few hours back, but I completely understand how the length may have caused you and others to miss that. Thanks for pulling him out especially for those readers who prefer short quips. lol The way you write makes it sound as tho you are part of Tyree's efforts..., true?!? If so, keep up the great work! FYI... no actual published books yet, but I do write a lot, so maybe one day.. :) lol From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mon 18/12/2006 15:18 To: Svagr, Jodie; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) mad mike interview Well, since you ask Jodie, I can suggest that people look at the brilliant work of The Heidelberg Project. http://www.urban75.com/Mag/heidel.html This also neatly dovetails with the idea you mention Jodie, of 'Hi-Tech' being synonymous with both music *and* community work, seeing as we also have the music project below with the same name. Also, someone once explained to me that there was a link, although that escapes me now - still, I know the name is not just used because it's cool. It's also quite appropriate that the contribution of the music to the 'real' project is low-key http://www.discogs.com/artist/Heidelberg+Project -Original Message- From: Svagr, Jodie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 17 December 2006 21:25 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) mad mike interview big snip to abridge that 'book', or maybe you really *did* write one!?!?! :). If so, no offence intended. *** If anyone else has any interesting stories of ways people have contributed to the city, I'd love to hear, it may bring a bit of a smile to this dreary rainy holiday season. lol Out for now... Jodie From: Wildtek Concept / DJ Dimitri Pike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sun 17/12/2006 18:53 To: Svagr, Jodie Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) mad mike interview Makes me want to ask a curious question to all of the 313ers, has anyone from this list ever brought any of the high-tec that Mike's talking about to Detroit? Yes, this interview is definitely great, it's done by Slice DVD, correct me if I'm wrong ... http://www.eb-slices.net/ For 'High Tech' correct me again if I'm wrong but : High Tech is defining most of the UR and others Submerge distributions, a way to separate UR from the all techno/electro music available on the market. All Interstellar Fugitives tracks, a lot of Metroplex releases, I would say all tracks not 4/4 techno rythm are 'High Tech'. There is a 'High Tech Funk' logo on a lot of releases, if you own some cd's/vinyls from Submerge, there is a lot of chances that you'll find it somewhere on the packaging. Hope this help, Peace. -- Dimitri Pike http://wildtek.free.fr http://wildtek.free.fr/ http://wildtek.free.fr/ http://www.myspace.com/wildtek
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Wow This one is great. I love the commentary and the imagergy and the tunes. A Must watch!! -Original Message- From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 3:58 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) mad mike interview another great interview from mike b http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8050739842417235420q=slices+UR m
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Wicked video. Does anyone know which company made this? Its definitely a true to the Banks video. Makes me want to ask a curious question to all of the 313ers, has anyone from this list ever brought any of the high-tec that Mike's talking about to Detroit? From: Jeff Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sun 17/12/2006 13:29 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) mad mike interview Wow This one is great. I love the commentary and the imagergy and the tunes. A Must watch!! -Original Message- From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 3:58 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) mad mike interview another great interview from mike b http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8050739842417235420q=slices+UR m
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Makes me want to ask a curious question to all of the 313ers, has anyone from this list ever brought any of the high-tec that Mike's talking about to Detroit? Yes, this interview is definitely great, it's done by Slice DVD, correct me if I'm wrong ... http://www.eb-slices.net/ For 'High Tech' correct me again if I'm wrong but : High Tech is defining most of the UR and others Submerge distributions, a way to separate UR from the all techno/electro music available on the market. All Interstellar Fugitives tracks, a lot of Metroplex releases, I would say all tracks not 4/4 techno rythm are 'High Tech'. There is a 'High Tech Funk' logo on a lot of releases, if you own some cd's/vinyls from Submerge, there is a lot of chances that you'll find it somewhere on the packaging. Hope this help, Peace. -- Dimitri Pike http://wildtek.free.fr http://www.myspace.com/wildtek
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Hey Dimitri, how've you been? Its been ages since my last email to you via myspace. I've been so busy, but now a few slow days has resulted in time to write endless hyperreal books... lol Thanks for the info about who the makers of the video are, I will follow up. As for the info about the meaning of high tech, its agreed and understood that high tech is associated with the music they create, but in the context of what he was referring to, I believe you have misunderstood his meaning. High tech has been used so often in association with records, that I can understand why you may have understood his statement differently than I. My understanding of it was that he used the term to describe a lifestyle that UR lives by. From my experiences with Mike, and as it said in the video, he's an avid supporter of his neighborhood, and he really makes an effort to work with the kids. Mike typically wont talk music without bringing the conversation to talk of contributing to the neighborhood. He finds the two, music and contribution, completely linked, which is probably why he uses the term high tech to describe both. At least that is my understanding of it. I realise that talk of contributing to the neighborhoods is not necessarily a hyperreal list related topic. I was inspired by the UR video, figured I should respect the ethos Mike lives by and try to bring the conversation to talk of contributing to neighborhoods. Especially since so many people on this list are avid researchers and music enthusiasts of Detroit, I was wondering if anyone has ever found interesting ways to contribute to the cities neighborhoods. A bit of an open-ended question, I know, and if someone asked me the same thing, I'm not sure how would I respond. Speaking of what I have done and am trying to do would contradict my humble beliefs for wanting to contribute. I personally prefer to be an unrecognized soldier in the mix of helping the movement. I have quite a few stories I'd love to share about interesting ways other people have contributed to the city, but since I've already written a book, I figure I'll leave the stories for another time. If anyone else has any interesting stories of ways people have contributed to the city, I'd love to hear, it may bring a bit of a smile to this dreary rainy holiday season. lol Out for now... Jodie From: Wildtek Concept / DJ Dimitri Pike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sun 17/12/2006 18:53 To: Svagr, Jodie Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) mad mike interview Makes me want to ask a curious question to all of the 313ers, has anyone from this list ever brought any of the high-tec that Mike's talking about to Detroit? Yes, this interview is definitely great, it's done by Slice DVD, correct me if I'm wrong ... http://www.eb-slices.net/ For 'High Tech' correct me again if I'm wrong but : High Tech is defining most of the UR and others Submerge distributions, a way to separate UR from the all techno/electro music available on the market. All Interstellar Fugitives tracks, a lot of Metroplex releases, I would say all tracks not 4/4 techno rythm are 'High Tech'. There is a 'High Tech Funk' logo on a lot of releases, if you own some cd's/vinyls from Submerge, there is a lot of chances that you'll find it somewhere on the packaging. Hope this help, Peace. -- Dimitri Pike http://wildtek.free.fr http://wildtek.free.fr/ http://www.myspace.com/wildtek
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On Dec 17, 2006, at 5:29 AM, Jeff Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow This one is great. I love the commentary and the imagery and the tunes. A Must watch!! -Original Message- From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 3:58 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) mad mike interview another great interview from mike b http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8050739842417235420q=slices +UR I looked up Keepin' It Real in the Urban Slang dictionary and there was a picture of Mike. (Did everyone catch the snap of Minto JT's dL graf at the 11:00 mark?) I dunno if Mike or anyone at Submerge is reading this, but all I have to say is, people like Mike and records like The Final Frontier mean more to me than the entire catalogs of Elton John, U2, Chuck Berry and Stevie Wonder. God bless Mad Mike. - Greg
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Ahh! Thanks KJ. actually I have a request while we're on this subject. Matt - the patrick russell mix. is there any chance of making it available again for a few days? for some reason I dont seem to have it on my harddrive, and its a great mix, I need it for keeps! Ta! Alex _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
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ah you found the lazy quote :-) But the funny part is that Laurant Garnier (also thanks Mad mike on numerous e.p.'s) got through the Colonnades on nr 9 on his fav records list of a month ago but you knew that right ? DMt - Original Message - From: Arne Weinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, April 23, 2001 12:24 AM Subject: [313] Mad Mike interview Hello folks! I don´t know if somebody posted this before but I discovered this tonight and wanted to share with you! A great interview with Mad Mike! Go to: http://www.multimania.com/fighters/madmike.htm Cheers, Arne Arne Weinberg GROUNDZERO Rec. / PROPAGANDA REC. ° - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
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Roland van Oorschot wrote: Here: http://www.multimania.com/fighters/madmike.htm I dunno how old it is, but it still nice to read. 1994 he says in the article. Still very relevant though, of course.. People will be pondering his message for years to come. Scott.
