Re: BD Down under
James, Hugh, Lloyd, et al., I am interested in learning this route and I'm highly motivated. The trouble is that anything mathematical, mechanical or in the realm of physics is hard for me to understand. I am better at languages, art and literature...alas, but I am persistent and like to do research on a subject and thoroughly learn what I'm interested in, regardless. I used to go to International Solar Energy Society meetings back in the 80s and took courses. I didn't even understand the four quadrants of a graph and put a graph in my paper in the wrong quadrant. I learned to do solar calculations and even did one calculation that involved calculus. I'm sure radionics comes more easily to someone who is at home with these subjects. When I do mechanical things, I have to write down each step in order and follow it, cookbook style. Herb can help me gather materials for a see-saw and understand the moment. He has three-dimensional visualization and will easily grasp relationships and weight. I have used Radionic broadcast plus radionic testing of what substances would give the best results I assume you have a computerized radionic instrument that uses a witness to test substances. Is that right or do you have a simpler instrument? It's hard for me to learn what the potencies mean without the instrument in front of me. I think I have to start out with an FB and Malcolm Rae cards and I still can't afford a refractometer, but I will get one. I have old pertinent BD Now posts on preps and radionics and anything else relevant to our situation saved on the computer. My understanding of energetics is purely faith-based. I find it hard to believe that I can actually control energy on some level or soil polarity. How do you broadcast via Polaroid photographs? I can't even understand how you can broadcast with a Malcolm Rae card. It's just a piece of paper with some lines on it in a circle to me. It's got to be intention. I'm a long, long way from control. I need to get knocked in the head just so I can dowse. If you are willing to bear with me, I am willing to work at it. I'm swamped right now because I had lead paint on old barn boards in my kitchen area in the cabin. We had to buy a HEPA vacuum cleaner and respirator and I'm cleaning every inch of the cabin with Tri-sodium phosphate! I'd rather do anything than this, but it's some kind of karmic thing for me. Best, Merla Lloyd Charles wrote: From: "James Hedley" > Dear Merla, > If you want to potentise large quantities of spray material you could > -- or conversely you could get Herb to make you a > motorised see-saw, with substance on both ends. BRILLIANT! James Hedley wrote: > Dear Merla, > If you want to potentise large quantities of spray material you could > try fitting as large a drum as you can mount and handle on to a two > person children's swing, or conversely you could get Herb to make you a > motorised see-saw, with substance on both ends. > The problem with potentising large quantities by hand is: > The amount of water used, and > The labor used. > Mechanize the process and you are part of the way down the track, > however from my experience even the hand prepared preps and peppers are > not anywhere near the potency of radionic substance i.e.: stirred preps > on our place might start off at an energy reading of 640, stir them and > you might get to somewhere about 1000, or an increase in energy of 50%. > potentise the same preps (or substance) to say 3x and the energy has > increased to around 10,000. Stirred preps maybe fine on poor soils, but > once you start to get high vitality in your soils the BD 500 in some > cases can knock the vitality down. the same with all the other preps, it > is only by Radionic Analysis that you can tell what is going to happen, > before you do it. Or if your soil really needs what you want to put out. > A few months ago I wrote of some basalt soils on our farm that had > plenty of mineralisation, extremely high paramagnetism, 5% organic > matter and a vitality reading of 10% which is about as low as it can get > and Brix of 8. Since then I have used Radionic broadcast plus radionic > testing of what substances would give the best results, this has > increased Brix to 22 and vitality to about 90%. No putting preps out by > hand, all soil inputs are broadcast via Polaroid photographs. > Part of the secret has been that we have been able to change the soil > polarity from positive to negative. There is not any discussion on soil > polarity on the list , however it is probably the one single factor that > has the most influence on soil fertility. > Good luck, > James > Dear Merla, > > Just finished a workshop in Traverse City, Michigan. We covered these > issues from the easy si
BD in NYT
biodynamics mentioned in NYTimes http://www.nytimes.com/2003/06/29/garden/29cutt.html June 29, 2003 CUTTINGS In Search of Meaningful Companionship By ANNE RAVER ... Companion planting, or using one species to bolster the health or production of another, has been part of garden folklore for centuries. But proving what works - which companion plants attract beneficial insects or repel pests, and which enrich the soil - is about as easy as finding a cure for the common cold. (It's almost like the mind-body connection: if you believe that basil helps your tomatoes, it will.) As Arthur O. Tucker and Thomas DeBaggio point out in "The Big Book of Herbs" (Interweave Press, 2000), the idea was popularized in the United States in the 1940's with the introduction of French intensive gardening. Rudolf Steiner's biodynamic principles paid similar attention to the soil and to the exchange of gases, nutrients and compounds. [snip] _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: BD Down under
Hi James, Thanks for your comment re homoeopathy and Koliskos I think that it is vitally important. Re changing polarity, Does this have a connection with the balance of anions and cations or pH where this does not otherwise co-relate? Next month I will be in Cairns and hope to meet good number of you wizards of Oz. Unfortunately I won't beable to mke a wider tour on this occasion. One day I hope to visit a few of you folk on your home patches and see what you're all doing. In the meantime I'm looking forward to Hugh's visit. - Original Message - From: "James Hedley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Biodynamic Food and Farming Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 8:26 PM Subject: Re: BD Down under ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
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From: "James Hedley" > Dear Merla, > If you want to potentise large quantities of spray material you could > -- or conversely you could get Herb to make you a > motorised see-saw, with substance on both ends. BRILLIANT! ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
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Dear Merla, If you want to potentise large quantities of spray material you could try fitting as large a drum as you can mount and handle on to a two person children's swing, or conversely you could get Herb to make you a motorised see-saw, with substance on both ends. The problem with potentising large quantities by hand is: The amount of water used, and The labor used. Mechanize the process and you are part of the way down the track, however from my experience even the hand prepared preps and peppers are not anywhere near the potency of radionic substance i.e.: stirred preps on our place might start off at an energy reading of 640, stir them and you might get to somewhere about 1000, or an increase in energy of 50%. potentise the same preps (or substance) to say 3x and the energy has increased to around 10,000. Stirred preps maybe fine on poor soils, but once you start to get high vitality in your soils the BD 500 in some cases can knock the vitality down. the same with all the other preps, it is only by Radionic Analysis that you can tell what is going to happen, before you do it. Or if your soil really needs what you want to put out. A few months ago I wrote of some basalt soils on our farm that had plenty of mineralisation, extremely high paramagnetism, 5% organic matter and a vitality reading of 10% which is about as low as it can get and Brix of 8. Since then I have used Radionic broadcast plus radionic testing of what substances would give the best results, this has increased Brix to 22 and vitality to about 90%. No putting preps out by hand, all soil inputs are broadcast via Polaroid photographs. Part of the secret has been that we have been able to change the soil polarity from positive to negative. There is not any discussion on soil polarity on the list , however it is probably the one single factor that has the most influence on soil fertility. Good luck, James Dear Merla, Just finished a workshop in Traverse City, Michigan. We covered these issues from the easy side. I'd love to show you. But I only got 2 out of 100 that were interested in my presentation at Moscow, November 7, 8 at your Idaho Organic meet. Don't know if I can get there on so slim a shoelace. But, you are right that homeopathy and biodynamics the stir and spray way is much too hard. I'd love to show you radionics. Best, Hugh >James, it took us hours and hours to spray our tansy and knapweed D-8 >solution six times (two different weeks when the moon was in a fire sign). >We came home at midnight twice. I think radionics is the answer for large >acreages. I'm still trying to understand how to potentize 4 gallons of D-7 >pepper. What do you use to put it in to hang it from a tree and whack the >&*#!!! out of it? I'm still wondering if I ground the ash correctly and >potentized each succession correctly. Whenever I start doing radionics, >that's going to be a whole new level of learning what to do on a material >level and on a spiritual level. > >Best, > >Merla > >James Hedley wrote: > >> Greetings from the Land of the Wizards of Oz, :-) >> Earlier this month 6 members of Central West Biodynamic Group had a >> social prep spraying day at one of our members who had been drastically >> effected by the drought. >> We had 2 stirring machines (one 60 gallon and a 90 gallon) and 2 sets of >> flow forms running into a 400 litter tank, along with the brand new fire >> tanker which bought the water for the spraying out. As usual there was >> some problem with at least one pump, nothing much that a few willing >> hands couldn't fix. The first load of spray headed out at about 3'oclock >> and continued on until after dark. Back up again before daylight to get >> the 501 out. In all we got preps out over 200 acres that were sown that >> weekend as the gods must have heard that the preps were going out and >> gave us an inch of rain. The property is 1500 acres with around 800 >> acres under cultivation, so it would have taken all of us at least 4 >> days to put out the preps only on the cultivation area.The whole >> exercise gave all of us a n insight into the difficulties of broad acre >> application of BD preps. Itut the preps out in between stirring and >> spraying >> The biggest problem is that the time when the preps go out usually >> coincides with the time for sowing. In many instances the sowing gets >> done and the preps wait for a less busy time(if there is one). It is >> easy to see that there is a future for radionics in broad acre cropping. >> Our member manages 1500 acres by himself, quite a feat. It is not >> uncommon in Australian cropping for one man to manage very large areas. >> Just try sowing down 800 acres in a few days because there
Demeter International on BD Preps and the EU
Thanks to Ferdinand for going to the root of this matter (I am contracting for the missing references. Please be patient): Regulations regarding Bio-Dynamic Preparations in the EU To your question concerning the preparations: a new EC hygiene regulation (1774/2002) enter into force as from 30th April 2003 in the whole EC. With this regulation the using of some covers for bd preparations is forbidden. Horns can be used as before as well as stag bladders. The bovel of bovines is risico material and can be only used from BSE-free countries. That means, that the bovel must be imported as well as the mesenterium. But the peritoneum can be used because it belongs to foodstuff. The using of skulls of domestic animals is differenet. Skulls of bovines under the age of 1 year can be used as well as skulls of pigs. Skulls of older bovines, sheeps and goats may not used. Attached please find some information to this regulation and the activities of the biodynamic associations in the EC. With best regards, Ute Bucholski Demeter International ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: BD in Hawai'i
Hi Tony, I just sent some valerian flowers to Ellen Sugawara, HC 01, Box 900, Kaurakakai, HI 95748. She grows taro and ginger Bio-Dynamically. She's tried to get valerian flowers there, but the climate isn't right for flowering, it seems. She was outgoing and knowledgeable. Best, Merla Rambler Flowers LTD wrote: Hi folks I have had a group of 8 young people from the Wai'anae Organic AG Centre visit me as part of their 10 day visit to New Zealand . They left with big smiles on there faces, a heap of information and a promise from me to email them details about BDNOW and a list of some of the interesting info that comes from this list. Which I have done so.Who are the BD contacts in Hawaii's please. These are keen young people who want to repair the damage been done to their fragile environment. They want to learn more about BD in the tropics. Thanks for any helpCheers Tony RobinsonNewZealand ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
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Hi folks I have had a group of 8 young people from the Wai'anae Organic AG Centre visit me as part of their 10 day visit to New Zealand . They left with big smiles on there faces, a heap of information and a promise from me to email them details about BDNOW and a list of some of the interesting info that comes from this list. Which I have done so. Who are the BD contacts in Hawaii's please. These are keen young people who want to repair the damage been done to their fragile environment. They want to learn more about BD in the tropics. Thanks for any help Cheers Tony Robinson NewZealand ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: BD Research was Can error be turned to advantage?
Thanks Peter, I appreciate your experience and words of support. I've read a few articles on the peppering work on brush tailed possums in NZ, and it always intrigues me. Will be in touch for any words of wisdom you may be willing to pass on. Thanks again L&L Liz on 18/6/03 8:57 PM, Peter Michael Bacchus at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hi Liz, > The peppering experiment you are mentioning is very similar to > what a group of us in N.Z. would like to follow through on, Your brush > tailed possum is rather too fond of our bush and needs to be controlled. > The cages need to be on the ground and the ground is much more > receptive to the pepper material if it is moist enough to support seed > germination. If you are working with ash stired into sand or a homoeopathic > dilution the energy of the pepper needs to be taken into the soil to radiate > back out again. I have found rabbits here to consistently move six weeks > after application of the preparation, and it takes either two or three > applications over a number of years to get the message across to them to > stay away long term. > At Gary and Jan Blake's place a patch that the rabbits loved > and was easily viewed from the dineing table was peppered and a daily watch > was maintained from the table at breakfast time. Behavioural changes were > noted in any that strayed into the treated zone. They felt uneasy and on > edge and didn't stay for long. > Go for it it would be valuable research. > Best wishes, > Peter. >> Secondly the peppering, from the little I know the reproductive system >> should be affected. Now I know that lab. research is not the real thing, >> but could this not be tested in a controlled environment experiment. If I >> was to house pairs of rabbits separately, and treat some with a pepper. >> This sort of experiment could show physical changes, behaviour changes or >> drop of reproductive rate & numbers? Is it worth observing to that degree >> and further regarding planet influences? It's an area I'd like to work in >> and wonder if this is where I could put scientific research of BD into >> action? Or would I be better off pursuing the preps??? I have the honour >> of having a wise and well published scientist at the uni, who is willing > to >> guide me in whatever I pursue. He says with all that he's done the > greatest >> of these is teaching Ecological Agriculture. Feel as though this is a > chance >> for some sort of research and my heart/head/hands are with BD. Have to >> admit I'm a bit ahead of myself, but my marks are being maintained for an >> honours research year, so would like to consider some options. All > feedback >> welcome, thanks. > > > ___ > BDNow mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > You can unsubscribe or change your options at: > http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow > ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
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Hi Liz, The peppering experiment you are mentioning is very similar to what a group of us in N.Z. would like to follow through on, Your brush tailed possum is rather too fond of our bush and needs to be controlled. The cages need to be on the ground and the ground is much more receptive to the pepper material if it is moist enough to support seed germination. If you are working with ash stired into sand or a homoeopathic dilution the energy of the pepper needs to be taken into the soil to radiate back out again. I have found rabbits here to consistently move six weeks after application of the preparation, and it takes either two or three applications over a number of years to get the message across to them to stay away long term. At Gary and Jan Blake's place a patch that the rabbits loved and was easily viewed from the dineing table was peppered and a daily watch was maintained from the table at breakfast time. Behavioural changes were noted in any that strayed into the treated zone. They felt uneasy and on edge and didn't stay for long. Go for it it would be valuable research. Best wishes, Peter. > Secondly the peppering, from the little I know the reproductive system > should be affected. Now I know that lab. research is not the real thing, > but could this not be tested in a controlled environment experiment. If I > was to house pairs of rabbits separately, and treat some with a pepper. > This sort of experiment could show physical changes, behaviour changes or > drop of reproductive rate & numbers? Is it worth observing to that degree > and further regarding planet influences? It's an area I'd like to work in > and wonder if this is where I could put scientific research of BD into > action? Or would I be better off pursuing the preps??? I have the honour > of having a wise and well published scientist at the uni, who is willing to > guide me in whatever I pursue. He says with all that he's done the greatest > of these is teaching Ecological Agriculture. Feel as though this is a chance > for some sort of research and my heart/head/hands are with BD. Have to > admit I'm a bit ahead of myself, but my marks are being maintained for an > honours research year, so would like to consider some options. All feedback > welcome, thanks. ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
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Dear Merla, Just finished a workshop in Traverse City, Michigan. We covered these issues from the easy side. I'd love to show you. But I only got 2 out of 100 that were interested in my presentation at Moscow, November 7, 8 at your Idaho Organic meet. Don't know if I can get there on so slim a shoelace. But, you are right that homeopathy and biodynamics the stir and spray way is much too hard. I'd love to show you radionics. Best, Hugh >James, it took us hours and hours to spray our tansy and knapweed D-8 >solution six times (two different weeks when the moon was in a fire sign). >We came home at midnight twice. I think radionics is the answer for large >acreages. I'm still trying to understand how to potentize 4 gallons of D-7 >pepper. What do you use to put it in to hang it from a tree and whack the >&*#!!! out of it? I'm still wondering if I ground the ash correctly and >potentized each succession correctly. Whenever I start doing radionics, >that's going to be a whole new level of learning what to do on a material >level and on a spiritual level. > >Best, > >Merla > >James Hedley wrote: > >> Greetings from the Land of the Wizards of Oz, :-) >> Earlier this month 6 members of Central West Biodynamic Group had a >> social prep spraying day at one of our members who had been drastically >> effected by the drought. >> We had 2 stirring machines (one 60 gallon and a 90 gallon) and 2 sets of >> flow forms running into a 400 litter tank, along with the brand new fire >> tanker which bought the water for the spraying out. As usual there was >> some problem with at least one pump, nothing much that a few willing >> hands couldn't fix. The first load of spray headed out at about 3'oclock >> and continued on until after dark. Back up again before daylight to get >> the 501 out. In all we got preps out over 200 acres that were sown that >> weekend as the gods must have heard that the preps were going out and >> gave us an inch of rain. The property is 1500 acres with around 800 >> acres under cultivation, so it would have taken all of us at least 4 >> days to put out the preps only on the cultivation area.The whole >> exercise gave all of us a n insight into the difficulties of broad acre >> application of BD preps. Itut the preps out in between stirring and >> spraying >> The biggest problem is that the time when the preps go out usually >> coincides with the time for sowing. In many instances the sowing gets >> done and the preps wait for a less busy time(if there is one). It is >> easy to see that there is a future for radionics in broad acre cropping. >> Our member manages 1500 acres by himself, quite a feat. It is not >> uncommon in Australian cropping for one man to manage very large areas. >> Just try sowing down 800 acres in a few days because there is enough >> rainfall to at least get a germination, even although there is minimal >> subsoil moisture. >> One must give full praise to the broad acre farmers who have not even >> come out of drought yet still expend large amounts of money to put >> another crop in, full of hope and not much else there for them. For many >> farmers it will be very tough, if they can hang on, if there is no crop >> this year. >> Something like 95% of NSW is still drought affected, although >> fortunately our property has had 22 inches of rain since March. >> We had really good mileage from Hugh Lovel's Workshop at Albury, however >> I have found that Radionic broadcast of sea water and the use of >> Radionic color therapy on the atmosphere has enabled the rain to move in >> a further 30 km from the east. More on the results of sea water >> broadcast in another post. >> Regards >> James Hedley >> >> ___ >> BDNow mailing list >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> You can unsubscribe or change your options at: >> http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow > >___ >BDNow mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >You can unsubscribe or change your options at: >http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow Visit our website at: www.unionag.net ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
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Hi Roger, James, Lloyd et al You wizards always get me thinking. Firstly the energy of the Manaro plains, do you think the energy is caused from what Lloyd said about overgrazing? I've driven through that country several times and it is very depleted, a draining energy and often barren, yet that is not how it was. I had the pleasure of driving through there with a ranger, whose family had been in the area for 5 generations. How he described the changes were mostly due to grazing. What's the compaction like anyone know? Secondly the peppering, from the little I know the reproductive system should be affected. Now I know that lab. research is not the real thing, but could this not be tested in a controlled environment experiment. If I was to house pairs of rabbits separately, and treat some with a pepper. This sort of experiment could show physical changes, behaviour changes or drop of reproductive rate & numbers? Is it worth observing to that degree and further regarding planet influences? It's an area I'd like to work in and wonder if this is where I could put scientific research of BD into action? Or would I be better off pursuing the preps??? I have the honour of having a wise and well published scientist at the uni, who is willing to guide me in whatever I pursue. He says with all that he's done the greatest of these is teaching Ecological Agriculture. Feel as though this is a chance for some sort of research and my heart/head/hands are with BD. Have to admit I'm a bit ahead of myself, but my marks are being maintained for an honours research year, so would like to consider some options. All feedback welcome, thanks. Markess any words of wisdom? L&L Liz on 17/6/03 6:42 PM, James Hedley at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Dear Lloyd, > I agree that there is an energy factor operating at Dalgetty. This > energy factor is not just unique to Dalgetty, it is common to all poor > country. Unfortunately Roger and I cant let the cat out of the bag yet. > One of two things can happen, the work is worthy of a Nobel Prize, or we > don't really know enough about what we are doing yet. > I know that the concepts which we are working with at Dalgetty have > worked elsewhere on small scale trials. However there is a long way to > go yet. > Regards > James Hedley > > Roger wrote >> Notwithstanding Lloyd's positive remarks about the Dalgety area, >> the extended results of lack of rain, overgrazing and invasive weed are >> very evident in reducing soil quality and growth patterns - and this >> land is marginal to begin with. > > It was more a general comment on the area, I'd agree that Dalgety is pretty > marginal, its fairly low rainfall and the soils are ordinary. The Monaro > used to be lightly stocked but hard times and bad advice from government > experts in the 70's led to farmers trying to run numbers that the country > was not capable of supporting long term. I remember a farmer from that area > (Dalgety side of town) going through court for "failure to control rabbits" > in 1969 or 70, politely told the beak that with a wife and kids to support > he was catching 200 pair a night and had no intention of eliminating his > only useful source of income until wool prices improved. > I dont know what it was but in a short time up there I met a lot of good > people - they seemed to have a depth of character - maybe tough times do > that ? But I think there is an energy factor in that whole area that you > dont see in other places. > Cheers > Lloyd Charles > > > ___ > BDNow mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > You can unsubscribe or change your options at: > http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow > > > > > ___ > BDNow mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > You can unsubscribe or change your options at: > http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow > ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
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James, it took us hours and hours to spray our tansy and knapweed D-8 solution six times (two different weeks when the moon was in a fire sign). We came home at midnight twice. I think radionics is the answer for large acreages. I'm still trying to understand how to potentize 4 gallons of D-7 pepper. What do you use to put it in to hang it from a tree and whack the &*#!!! out of it? I'm still wondering if I ground the ash correctly and potentized each succession correctly. Whenever I start doing radionics, that's going to be a whole new level of learning what to do on a material level and on a spiritual level. Best, Merla James Hedley wrote: > Greetings from the Land of the Wizards of Oz, :-) > Earlier this month 6 members of Central West Biodynamic Group had a > social prep spraying day at one of our members who had been drastically > effected by the drought. > We had 2 stirring machines (one 60 gallon and a 90 gallon) and 2 sets of > flow forms running into a 400 litter tank, along with the brand new fire > tanker which bought the water for the spraying out. As usual there was > some problem with at least one pump, nothing much that a few willing > hands couldn't fix. The first load of spray headed out at about 3'oclock > and continued on until after dark. Back up again before daylight to get > the 501 out. In all we got preps out over 200 acres that were sown that > weekend as the gods must have heard that the preps were going out and > gave us an inch of rain. The property is 1500 acres with around 800 > acres under cultivation, so it would have taken all of us at least 4 > days to put out the preps only on the cultivation area.The whole > exercise gave all of us a n insight into the difficulties of broad acre > application of BD preps. Itut the preps out in between stirring and > spraying > The biggest problem is that the time when the preps go out usually > coincides with the time for sowing. In many instances the sowing gets > done and the preps wait for a less busy time(if there is one). It is > easy to see that there is a future for radionics in broad acre cropping. > Our member manages 1500 acres by himself, quite a feat. It is not > uncommon in Australian cropping for one man to manage very large areas. > Just try sowing down 800 acres in a few days because there is enough > rainfall to at least get a germination, even although there is minimal > subsoil moisture. > One must give full praise to the broad acre farmers who have not even > come out of drought yet still expend large amounts of money to put > another crop in, full of hope and not much else there for them. For many > farmers it will be very tough, if they can hang on, if there is no crop > this year. > Something like 95% of NSW is still drought affected, although > fortunately our property has had 22 inches of rain since March. > We had really good mileage from Hugh Lovel's Workshop at Albury, however > I have found that Radionic broadcast of sea water and the use of > Radionic color therapy on the atmosphere has enabled the rain to move in > a further 30 km from the east. More on the results of sea water > broadcast in another post. > Regards > James Hedley > > ___ > BDNow mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > You can unsubscribe or change your options at: > http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
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Greetings from the Land of the Wizards of Oz, :-) Earlier this month 6 members of Central West Biodynamic Group had a social prep spraying day at one of our members who had been drastically effected by the drought. We had 2 stirring machines (one 60 gallon and a 90 gallon) and 2 sets of flow forms running into a 400 litter tank, along with the brand new fire tanker which bought the water for the spraying out. As usual there was some problem with at least one pump, nothing much that a few willing hands couldn't fix. The first load of spray headed out at about 3'oclock and continued on until after dark. Back up again before daylight to get the 501 out. In all we got preps out over 200 acres that were sown that weekend as the gods must have heard that the preps were going out and gave us an inch of rain. The property is 1500 acres with around 800 acres under cultivation, so it would have taken all of us at least 4 days to put out the preps only on the cultivation area.The whole exercise gave all of us a n insight into the difficulties of broad acre application of BD preps. Itut the preps out in between stirring and spraying The biggest problem is that the time when the preps go out usually coincides with the time for sowing. In many instances the sowing gets done and the preps wait for a less busy time(if there is one). It is easy to see that there is a future for radionics in broad acre cropping. Our member manages 1500 acres by himself, quite a feat. It is not uncommon in Australian cropping for one man to manage very large areas. Just try sowing down 800 acres in a few days because there is enough rainfall to at least get a germination, even although there is minimal subsoil moisture. One must give full praise to the broad acre farmers who have not even come out of drought yet still expend large amounts of money to put another crop in, full of hope and not much else there for them. For many farmers it will be very tough, if they can hang on, if there is no crop this year. Something like 95% of NSW is still drought affected, although fortunately our property has had 22 inches of rain since March. We had really good mileage from Hugh Lovel's Workshop at Albury, however I have found that Radionic broadcast of sea water and the use of Radionic color therapy on the atmosphere has enabled the rain to move in a further 30 km from the east. More on the results of sea water broadcast in another post. Regards James Hedley ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
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At 12:00 PM 3/8/2003 -0500, you wrote: I'm serious: get out the scanner and send up a page or two of bd stuff you find of interest or would like to discuss. Copyright law offers a fair amount of leniency for educational use of printed materials, so you don't have an excuse. Drown us in content and keep the archives interesting for the next guy. I posted two new articles of a more advanced level at www.oregonbd.org. -- Form Gestures of Animals and Planetary Processes in the Preparations. Go to "the BD Community" page for essays by various group members. David Robison
Re: Scientific proof of Homeopathic BD prep efficacy
- Original Message - From: "D & S Chamberlain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 11:18 AM Subject: Re: Scientific proof of Homeopathic BD prep efficacy > Well done Glen. Thanks A couple of questions, who are HortResearch? Yes hortResearch are an independant -semi government - top of the heap NZ research group Are they > independent of you? Yes they are independant research contractors to all of horticulture Is BDMAX your brand? Yes, we have rebranded as Garuda has negative connotation on this side of the planet due to GAruda Airlines having and image of cheap and nasty. BdMax also images our taking BD practises to the limit and seeing what they can do. No holds barred and NO FEAR. The beauty of the ThermoMax trials are they were on chemical apples in bags and worked. > The results and the presentation of them are impressive. Thanks David. We hope to have more available in the future as we embark on wide ranging efficay trials with hortresarch. 501, ripening and bird controls on grapes all begin their trials today. Results in a few months. These trials will be done on chemical orchards so if the results are positive, as others we have done on chemical grapes have been, then BD brakes out of its confines of only be applied to the .1% OF HORTICULTURE AND can easily effect mainstream markets. G > David C > > - Original Message - > From: "Garuda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, 3 March 2003 11:48 AM > Subject: Scientific proof of Homeopathic BD prep efficacy > > > > IF there was ever any doubt homeopathic BD preps work we now have > scientific > > proof for all to see > > Our frost protection spray ThermoMax has passed the test with flying > colours > > check out the HortReseach graph at www.bdmax.co.nz > > 50% more fruit set @ a -2C frost 33% @ -4C > > not bad for fairy dust > > GA > > > > >
Re: Scientific proof of Homeopathic BD prep efficacy
Well done Glen. A couple of questions, who are HortResearch? Are they independent of you? Is BDMAX your brand? The results and the presentation of them are impressive. David C - Original Message - From: "Garuda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, 3 March 2003 11:48 AM Subject: Scientific proof of Homeopathic BD prep efficacy > IF there was ever any doubt homeopathic BD preps work we now have scientific > proof for all to see > Our frost protection spray ThermoMax has passed the test with flying colours > check out the HortReseach graph at www.bdmax.co.nz > 50% more fruit set @ a -2C frost 33% @ -4C > not bad for fairy dust > GA > >
Re: Scientific proof of Homeopathic BD prep efficacy
Thanks P AS one would almost expect of fanatical sceptics I will not waste my time G - Original Message - From: B&P Bell To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 3:12 PM Subject: Re: Scientific proof of Homeopathic BD prep efficacy G'day:I know of a dowsing friend in India who submitted detailed documents to "R", put all the correspondence on line, over the months, and funny thing, once it was clear to R's group that it was serious, the fellow in India stopped receiving communication. CheersPenelopeLloyd Charles wrote: - Original Message - From: Garuda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 6:10 AM Subject: Re: Scientific proof of Homeopathic BD prep efficacy Got the details? I sure it would made a few press inches, and make our development easier, if we could collect this. GA Glen This is probably Randi - the guy is a first class a-- - you do not wanna go there. No matter what you managed to prove with this guy you will never get his money. Cheers Lloyd Charles .
Re: Scientific proof of Homeopathic BD prep efficacy
G'day: I know of a dowsing friend in India who submitted detailed documents to "R", put all the correspondence on line, over the months, and funny thing, once it was clear to R's group that it was serious, the fellow in India stopped receiving communication. Cheers Penelope Lloyd Charles wrote: - Original Message - From: Garuda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 6:10 AM Subject: Re: Scientific proof of Homeopathic BD prep efficacy Got the details? I sure it would made a few press inches, and make our development easier, if we could collect this. GA Glen This is probably Randi - the guy is a first class a-- - you do not wanna go there. No matter what you managed to prove with this guy you will never get his money. Cheers Lloyd Charles .
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Re: Scientific proof of Homeopathic BD prep efficacy
Randi was involved in a BBC Horizon programme 'disproving' homeopathy; see www.bbc.co.uk/science/horizon/2002/homeopathy.shtml if you have all the replicable data, scientifically produced, it should relatively straightforward ? Sure you will have to jump thru some hoops, but it is a lot of money ! It does seem a little strange that no one has taken up the challenge, like we are not 100% certain that it DOES work. Or maybe Randi and his cronies are not impartial, I dont know. All I do know is that if people say 'no', it is because they are not sure of a fair shot, and not because they are scared of a negative result. thus endeth todays sermon ! Gideon. - Original Message - From: "Garuda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 12:40 AM Subject: Re: Scientific proof of Homeopathic BD prep efficacy > tHANKS FOR THE ADVICE > The website talks about paranormal and I did not see any mention of > homeopathics on the quick scan I did of the site, so I emailed for > clarification.
Re: Scientific proof of Homeopathic BD prep efficacy
tHANKS FOR THE ADVICE The website talks about paranormal and I did not see any mention of homeopathics on the quick scan I did of the site, so I emailed for clarification. G - Original Message - From: "Lloyd Charles" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 12:38 PM Subject: Re: Scientific proof of Homeopathic BD prep efficacy > > - Original Message - > From: Garuda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 6:10 AM > Subject: Re: Scientific proof of Homeopathic BD prep efficacy > > > > Got the details? > > I sure it would made a few press inches, and make our development easier, > if > > we could collect this. > > GA > > Glen > This is probably Randi - the guy is a first class a-- - you do not > wanna go there. No matter what you managed to prove with this guy you will > never get his money. > Cheers > Lloyd Charles > >
Re: Scientific proof of Homeopathic BD prep efficacy
- Original Message - From: Garuda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 6:10 AM Subject: Re: Scientific proof of Homeopathic BD prep efficacy > Got the details? > I sure it would made a few press inches, and make our development easier, if > we could collect this. > GA Glen This is probably Randi - the guy is a first class a-- - you do not wanna go there. No matter what you managed to prove with this guy you will never get his money. Cheers Lloyd Charles
Re: Scientific proof of Homeopathic BD prep efficacy
Alrighty Glen here you go, I dont want any commision, I just want to see this schmuck eat his words ! See www.randi.org , look under the $1 million Paranormal Challenge. Good luck, and keep us posted... Gideon. - Original Message - From: "Garuda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 8:10 PM Subject: Re: Scientific proof of Homeopathic BD prep efficacy > Got the details? > I sure it would made a few press inches, and make our development easier, if > we could collect this. > GA > > - Original Message - > From: "gideon cowen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 8:38 PM > Subject: Re: Scientific proof of Homeopathic BD prep efficacy > > > > some Yankee magician (?) was offering $1 million to anyone who could prove > > homeopathy under 'scientific' tests. You could be in the money there Glen > ! > > Gideon, > > boy do I watch too much TV ! >
Re: Scientific proof of Homeopathic BD prep efficacy
Got the details? I sure it would made a few press inches, and make our development easier, if we could collect this. GA - Original Message - From: "gideon cowen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 8:38 PM Subject: Re: Scientific proof of Homeopathic BD prep efficacy > some Yankee magician (?) was offering $1 million to anyone who could prove > homeopathy under 'scientific' tests. You could be in the money there Glen ! > Gideon, > boy do I watch too much TV ! > - Original Message - > From: "Garuda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 1:48 AM > Subject: Scientific proof of Homeopathic BD prep efficacy > > > > IF there was ever any doubt homeopathic BD preps work we now have > scientific > > proof for all to see > > Our frost protection spray ThermoMax has passed the test with flying > colours > > check out the HortReseach graph at www.bdmax.co.nz > > 50% more fruit set @ a -2C frost 33% @ -4C > > not bad for fairy dust > > GA > > >
Re: Scientific proof of Homeopathic BD prep efficacy
some Yankee magician (?) was offering $1 million to anyone who could prove homeopathy under 'scientific' tests. You could be in the money there Glen ! Gideon, boy do I watch too much TV ! - Original Message - From: "Garuda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 1:48 AM Subject: Scientific proof of Homeopathic BD prep efficacy > IF there was ever any doubt homeopathic BD preps work we now have scientific > proof for all to see > Our frost protection spray ThermoMax has passed the test with flying colours > check out the HortReseach graph at www.bdmax.co.nz > 50% more fruit set @ a -2C frost 33% @ -4C > not bad for fairy dust > GA >
Scientific proof of Homeopathic BD prep efficacy
IF there was ever any doubt homeopathic BD preps work we now have scientific proof for all to see Our frost protection spray ThermoMax has passed the test with flying colours check out the HortReseach graph at www.bdmax.co.nz 50% more fruit set @ a -2C frost 33% @ -4C not bad for fairy dust GA
Re: BD and steam
Christine , thank you for the info I will follow up and let you know the outcome, regards Ross - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 3:18 PM Subject: Re: BD and steam > > Hi Ross, > > There is another company in Australia (Adelaide) marketing a steam weeder > especially for under vines called 'Vaporjet'. They also have photos of a > modified version for [vegetables?] asparagus that a grower made himself. > The company's name is 'travohtec', PO Box 2162, Port Adelaide Business > Centre, SA 5015; ph 08-8347 7499; fax 08-8347 7599; email > [EMAIL PROTECTED]; contact person: Chris Travers 0407 976 033. > > Christiane > >
Re: BD and steam
Hi Ross, There is another company in Australia (Adelaide) marketing a steam weeder especially for under vines called 'Vaporjet'. They also have photos of a modified version for [vegetables?] asparagus that a grower made himself. The company's name is 'travohtec', PO Box 2162, Port Adelaide Business Centre, SA 5015; ph 08-8347 7499; fax 08-8347 7599; email [EMAIL PROTECTED]; contact person: Chris Travers 0407 976 033. Christiane
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David Robinson said: That would be superstition if there were not experimental evidence that it works. Dave - I'm always looking for experimental confirmations to cite. Would you mind sharing your references? Thanks _Allan
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At 12:04 PM 2/12/2003 -0500, roger wrote: When I first talked about BD with a good friend of mine, he looked at me with the now-familiar 'steer caught in the headlights' look, laughed and said "You can't be serious, falling for something like that. Cow shit buried in a cow horn after dancing backwards round a campfire in the light of the silvery moon with a feather up your backside!" It's funny how folks react to perceived "superstitious nonsense". Truly, BD is a fantastic claim. However, the "alternative conceptual model" behind Steiner contains a consistent and logical philosophy if you dig into it. The amazing part is the statement that we can manipulate material stuff is a way that manages subtle energies, which then in turn influence the material world. That would be superstition if there were not experimental evidence that it works. David Robison
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I made a flame weeder about 8 years ago,runs on propane gas . 40kg of gas covers about 1 acre. Brillent on annual seedling weeds not so good with grasses and perennial weeds. Best results where achieved on the afternoon of a leaf day during the week of full moon.I use mind 3 or 4 times for stale seed bed preparation before planting. Cheers Tony Robinson Land Down Under
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Dave Robison wrote: Also what's this about alfalfa being 509? Without doubt it is an important herb, but what do you do? Do you prepare it? I didn't say I personally did anything with it, the suggestion is just a theory that seems logical to me that each of the preps plus one or two missing ones fits in with the plant growth cycle. The things I know about alfalfa (lucerne in Oz) are that it is a legume which contains every known mineral and vitamin, is a valuable forage plant/stock feed/mulch, is an alkaliser and detoxicant, is harvested dried and pelletised and sold as cat and rabbit litter, has considerable medical uses. When newly pelletised it is highly hydroscopic; put 100 milligrams in an empty 500gram coffee tin, add 100 ml of water, and the resultant bulk will fill the can. In this form it can be dug into the top layer of soil and used as a wetting agent but make sure the area is mulched. Dry, its energy is 350 pys; water releases the nutrients and multiplies the energy. Other news -- we had a weekend meeting with Ruth Zinniker to discuss prep making. She is probably the "oldest" prep maker in terms of being in the "chain of transmission" from the original lectures. She is a very practical person and basically just told us to keep doing it and stay off the head trips. She wouldn't let us just sit around talking; we had to go out and do some chores with her! Ruth has some reluctance about flow forms, feels they have the lemniscate but not enough vortex. Hence they tend to bring in whatever the natural forces are and fail to gather the farmer's individuality. She likes stirring machines better because they have a strong vortex; she was interested to hear about Steve's egg-shaped machine. Ruth stirs for her farm by hand in a 50-gal barrel, so maybe 25 acres worth each time. So spraying occurs over several days each time. Whilst I agree that the contribution of farmers or farm managers is an important part of BD, I could argue that the energising of the water itself in any sort of device, be it stirring or flowform or recirculating stream, in combination with the energising of BD500 or 501, would be more than enough for the growing of crops and feed. Take pasture grasses, for instance. Generally their energy is around 490 pys. BD500 vortex-mixed in rainwater with manure concentrate for sixty minutes has an off-the-flowform rating of several thousand. The recommendation is it be sprayed out after 3pm (or in the cool of the evening in very hot areas or regions with prolonged sunshine) and within 24 hours of mixing. By that time its energy will have dropped to a residual charge of 100. roger
Re: Oregon BD (1)
Dave Robison wrote: Also found it helpful to elaborate on horns versus antlers. As roger said: But when I read (in David's course notes) about the process by which it (bd 500) becomes so, I laughed with chronic disbelief - how, I thought, could anyone be taken in by such patent cosmic clap-trap? I don't know if you've noticed that when something in your computer goes wrong, the error message generated often bears little resemblance to the fault. This is because the number of error messages is limited and if the computer cannot identify one which fits, it just tosses another one up which it 'thinks' might fit. That was the feeling I had when I first read the explanation on the horn manure process, that someone had been asked how the thing worked and that was the best they could come up with in the time allowed. When I first talked about BD with a good friend of mine, he looked at me with the now-familiar 'steer caught in the headlights' look, laughed and said "You can't be serious, falling for something like that. Cow shit buried in a cow horn after dancing backwards round a campfire in the light of the silvery moon with a feather up your backside!" And I laughed with him and then added "Dug up after six months, liquidised and sprayed out and it makes the garden or the farm grow like you wouldn't believe. And all for the cost of a handful of cow shit!" He delights in telling that story to everyone he meets. Good publicity, I reckon. The message we should be putting out is that BD500 (and the other preps) is pure energy, and we should frame it in the context and knowledge of the person to whom we're giving it. It took me a long time to get over the negative impact of that explanation; I only did so when I had acquired, through dowsing, a basis of understanding. It's like you can't teach someone anything without giving them a basic level of knowledge they can build on. Hee hee. Me too. So roger, can you explain about Since 'discovering' within myself the ability I have to detect energy flows, that understanding has grown in depth. Perhaps I should have said 'Since discovering within myself the ability everyone has to detect energy flows, that understanding has grown in depth.' We all have this ability, the trick lies in finding the way to it, and the pendulum and divining rods are the tools which fine tune our learning and usage of it. Dowsing is all about locating natural energy, using it (in the case of water, say) and in many cases controlling it. The more one learns about dowsing, the more one realises that energy is not just one thing, but many things, or one thing in many forms. Each of the building blocks of life is a separate form of energy, each vitamin, each trace element, plant, organism, etc. So in describing BD500 and how it becomes so, I could say: Life building blocks in combination = energy1 (soil) + energy2 (water, nutrient, heat) + energy3 (BD500) = womb for energy4 (seeds) + (energy2 + aerial influences) = energy5 (perennial grasses) + energy6 (cow) = energy7 (milk, meat) minus energy8 (protein + nutrient) = energy9 (manure) + energy10 (in-horn purification & composting process) = energy11 (BD500) I know I've missed a bit out but I daresay you'll get the general idea, that being that at each stage along the way there is another non-esoteric logical step to be taken and also a chance for control, and that BD500 is pure energy. By using the fine-tuning tools dowsing gives, each of the energies above can be measured. Imagine you have a desk in front of you with a measure on it marked out in even divisions from 1 to 10,000. I'll call these divisions 'pys'. Taking roma tomato plants growing in a suburban veggie plot (mine, with average soil to which compost of questionable value was added, irrigated with tap water because no rain) as an example, we come up with the following: When the 6 seedlings were planted the soil = 2,500 pys, now it's 760. We have had no rain so watering has been by tap water (6.5 pys compared with pure rainwater 1,500). We have had about 100 good sized tomatoes and are still picking at a rate of about 15 every two or three days. Each tomato averages 75 pys, all taste wonderful. The plants = 1,490 pys each. Even without performing a complicated equation it is clear there is a huge imbalance here, that the plant energies far outweigh those in the soil and so the extra must be manufactured in the plants and come from aerial energies as well. Don't ask me how much of each, I don't know. A cow puts out the equivalent weight in manure per day as the grasses it consumes. Usually she will only eat perennial grasses, the annuals she tramples down to form a living mulch. If we were to measure the energies in her diet, including moisture, plus those in her s
Oregon BD
Theres another new posting for more advanced practioners --- "Planetary Processes in the Preparations" based on Lievegoed from www.oregonbd.org select the "Community Page", then the article David Robison
Re: BD and steam
Hi Ross - The Atarus website in Australia is listed in the "Flame Weeding for Vegetable Crops" publication from ATTRA. http://www.atarus.com.au Yet, the web site quit working some weeks or months ago so I can't say much more than that. John McPhee (Team Leader for Sustainable and Profitable Industries, Vegetable Branch, Devonport, Tasmania) is looking into equipment and technology for organic / sustainable vegetable production so you might get in touch at: John McPhee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> If you think of wood chip mulch on trees and vines, combined with steam for the emerging weeds, which ultimately "poke through" the mulch, you have a very powerful combination. You get the moisture conserving and weed-controlling mulch benefits, you provide the food and shelter benefits for soil biota, you get the fungal foodweb benefits, you get the humic benefits relative to Ramial Chipped Wood -- the Bois Raméal Fragmenté, and you get the no-till benefits. Yet, you avoid the fire hazard of open flame weeders and dried mulch in an arid climate. Regards, Steve Diver Ross McDonald asks: "to Steve Diver, thanks for your comments on the steam/flame web sites. I would appreciate if you could advise the contact details for Atarus in Australia as I will contact them concerning their applicators. cheers Ross"
Re: BD and steam
to Steve Diver, thanks for your comments on the steam/flame web sites. I would appreciate if you could advise the contact details for Atarus in Australia as I will contact them concerning their applicators. cheers Ross - Original Message - From: Steve Diver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 11:59 AM Subject: Re: BD and steam > Flame, Infra-Red, Steam now you're talking > about some hot topics in weed control. > > See: > > Flame Weeding for Vegetable Crops > http://attra.ncat.org/attra-pub/flameweedveg.html > http://attra.ncat.org/attra-pub/PDF/flameweedveg.pdf > > This is the NCAT-ATTRA pub with all the suppliers > and resources. > > EcoFarm in California just held a workshop on this topic in > January, where I presented a summary of this topic. We > featured the Waipuna hot foam equipment from New Zealand > and the Infra-Red EcoWeeders from Switzerland, > distributed by Forevergreen in British Columbia. > > Infra-red weeders are Swiss made. In North America, > they are available from two suppliers: Forevergreen and > Rittenhouse. > > A market farm scale flame weeder with a flaming hood, > on wheels, can be obtained for $300-400. > > Flame Weeders in West Virginia > http://www.flameweeders.cjb.net/ > > The Lady Punto, also known as EcoWeeder Lady, > is an entry level hand-held Infra-Red weeder for $170. > > This is what you need, Merla, to try it out. A landscaper > said they work great around trees and to edge sidwalks, > pavements, and borders. > > Forevergreen EcoWeeders > http://www.chemfree-weedcontrol.com/ > > The Junior 3 is getting into a farm-scale Infra-Red > model for about $870. > > The Agri Infra-Red models on wheels for market farmers > are going into the $1,200 and $1,600 range but don't > quote me. Ask them. > > The Infra-Red weeders are therefore more expensive, > but still reasonable to a commercial organic farmer or > landscaper. When you're looking at 200', 400', and > 600' rows of carrots, parsely, beans, onions, corn... > well, you get the picture. Pro-rate your cost out over > several years. > > The Waipuna hot foam is another story. The expense > to lease these units are more inline with municipal park > departments, institutional landscape maintenance, and > large-scale orchards, vineyards, and berry operations > rather than small farms and market gardens. Yet, steam > or hot foam is *very* appealing to an organic farming > situation. If you can imagine a 40-80 acre organic > blackberry plantation in Oregon, you can understand how > it would match this kind of organic farming. If you are talking > about 5 acres of market vegetables, it is not in your budget. > > Waipuna > http://www.waipuna.com/ > > The Atarus steam weeding equipment, from Australia, > is now available in the U.S. through Delta Liquid Energy > in Paso Robles, California. > http://www.deltaliquidenergy.com/thermweedprodpage.html > > Have not seen what the Atarus costs, but again I am > guessing it is more akin to larger-scale vineyards, rather > than small farms. It is the nature of equipment costs. > > Merla, it occurs to me that you can pass along information > about the Waipuna and Atarus steam-based weed control > equipment to your weed control board. This is technology > that works. Keep in mind, however, it is really expensive > and not something they are likely to "jump" on. Over time, > they might "warm up" to the idea. > > Regards, > Steve Diver > >
Re: BD and steam
- Original Message - From: "Steve Diver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 7:59 PM Subject: Re: BD and steam > Flame, Infra-Red, Steam now you're Thanks Steve, for the hot info. In the fall, i was modifying my roofing torch for the same use, trying to alternate the torch head with the infared heating attachment which you can purchase for the top of a standard propane tank. I was pleasantly surprised to see the photos of the market garden in Colorado on the one site ...showing the use of the flamer since i worked there some 35 yrs ago! What a change! Now, without me going through all the data which you provide, can you say whether or not the heat treatment is the least harmful to the microlife compared to any other method of "weed control"?.manfred
Re: BD and steam
Flame, Infra-Red, Steam now you're talking about some hot topics in weed control. See: Flame Weeding for Vegetable Crops http://attra.ncat.org/attra-pub/flameweedveg.html http://attra.ncat.org/attra-pub/PDF/flameweedveg.pdf This is the NCAT-ATTRA pub with all the suppliers and resources. EcoFarm in California just held a workshop on this topic in January, where I presented a summary of this topic. We featured the Waipuna hot foam equipment from New Zealand and the Infra-Red EcoWeeders from Switzerland, distributed by Forevergreen in British Columbia. Infra-red weeders are Swiss made. In North America, they are available from two suppliers: Forevergreen and Rittenhouse. A market farm scale flame weeder with a flaming hood, on wheels, can be obtained for $300-400. Flame Weeders in West Virginia http://www.flameweeders.cjb.net/ The Lady Punto, also known as EcoWeeder Lady, is an entry level hand-held Infra-Red weeder for $170. This is what you need, Merla, to try it out. A landscaper said they work great around trees and to edge sidwalks, pavements, and borders. Forevergreen EcoWeeders http://www.chemfree-weedcontrol.com/ The Junior 3 is getting into a farm-scale Infra-Red model for about $870. The Agri Infra-Red models on wheels for market farmers are going into the $1,200 and $1,600 range but don't quote me. Ask them. The Infra-Red weeders are therefore more expensive, but still reasonable to a commercial organic farmer or landscaper. When you're looking at 200', 400', and 600' rows of carrots, parsely, beans, onions, corn... well, you get the picture. Pro-rate your cost out over several years. The Waipuna hot foam is another story. The expense to lease these units are more inline with municipal park departments, institutional landscape maintenance, and large-scale orchards, vineyards, and berry operations rather than small farms and market gardens. Yet, steam or hot foam is *very* appealing to an organic farming situation. If you can imagine a 40-80 acre organic blackberry plantation in Oregon, you can understand how it would match this kind of organic farming. If you are talking about 5 acres of market vegetables, it is not in your budget. Waipuna http://www.waipuna.com/ The Atarus steam weeding equipment, from Australia, is now available in the U.S. through Delta Liquid Energy in Paso Robles, California. http://www.deltaliquidenergy.com/thermweedprodpage.html Have not seen what the Atarus costs, but again I am guessing it is more akin to larger-scale vineyards, rather than small farms. It is the nature of equipment costs. Merla, it occurs to me that you can pass along information about the Waipuna and Atarus steam-based weed control equipment to your weed control board. This is technology that works. Keep in mind, however, it is really expensive and not something they are likely to "jump" on. Over time, they might "warm up" to the idea. Regards, Steve Diver
Re: BD and steam
Roger, I have looked into this on the net and only found very large equipment. If you find small units for individuals to use, I would be interested in hearing about them. Aren't they on a par with flame weeding? Merla Roger Pye wrote: > Ross McDonald wrote: > > > As a new convert to to the BD practice can anyone advise if steam is > > used and method of application in managing weeds in the vineyard. We > > are primarily using a modified cutoff plough and then reforming the > > soil beneath the vines - I dont like doing this as the soil is turned > > over too often and the feeder roots of the vines must suffer. we are > > also using mulch under the vines but the noxious weeds are still about. > > > > any comments? Ross McDonald > > > Leichardt Council in Sydney use steam in controlling roadside weeds. 18 > months ago the contractor offered to send a tanker and prime mover up to > Goulburn to a project I was working on to give a demo but nothing came > of it. I can find out some contact details if you like. Whereabouts are > you, Ross? > > If you are using a hay-type mulch 50-75mm thick that should cut the > weeds down a bit. What sort of weeds have you got? > > roger > > -- > > %% > > May I have given you seeds, > > that you can turn into roots, > > that will bear fruit in the future. (Rudolf Steiner) > > %% > > Reiki Healer, Earth Healing, Natural Energy Divination > > Earthcare Environmental Solutions > > PO Box 2057 Queanbeyan NSW 2620 Australia > > Ph: +61 2 6255 3824 > > Fax: +61 2 6255 1028 > > Mob: +61 410 469 541 > > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Oregon BD
In response to the lot, 'Introduction to Biodynamics' is posted at www.oregonbd.org Select the "Introductory Class" from the menu to left. Best to go thru the menu so you have all the frames. There are download buttons now at the ends of each chapter. These deliver a .doc file so you don't have to wrestle with html pages. New posting for more advanced practioners --- I have added a paper on "Form Gestures of Animals" on the "BD Community Page". I found Shad's book on the subject very useful to understand the three-fold form which gets kind of glossed over in BD because it applies to animal bodies more than plants. Also found it helpful to elaborate on horns versus antlers. As roger said: But when I read (in David's course notes) about the process by which it becomes so, I laughed with chronic disbelief - how, I thought, could anyone be taken in by such patent cosmic clap-trap? Hee hee. Me too. So roger, can you explain about Since 'discovering' within myself the ability I have to detect energy flows, that understanding has grown in depth. Also what's this about alfalfa being 509? Without doubt it is an important herb, but what do you do? Do you prepare it? Other news -- we had a weekend meeting with Ruth Zinniker to discuss prep making. She is probably the "oldest" prep maker in terms of being in the "chain of transmission" from the original lectures. She is a very practical person and basically just told us to keep doing it and stay off the head trips. She wouldn't let us just sit around talking; we had to go out and do some chores with her! Ruth has some reluctance about flow forms, feels they have the lemniscate but not enough vortex. Hence they tend to bring in whatever the natural forces are and fail to gather the farmer's individuality. She likes stirring machines better because they have a strong vortex; she was interested to hear about Steve's egg-shaped machine. Ruth stirs for her farm by hand in a 50-gal barrel, so maybe 25 acres worth each time. So spraying occurs over several days each time. David Robison Stellar Processes 1033 SW Yamhill Suite 405 Portland, OR 97205 (503) 827-8336 www.ezsim.com
Re: BD and steam
Ross McDonald wrote: As a new convert to to the BD practice can anyone advise if steam is used and method of application in managing weeds in the vineyard. We are primarily using a modified cutoff plough and then reforming the soil beneath the vines - I dont like doing this as the soil is turned over too often and the feeder roots of the vines must suffer. we are also using mulch under the vines but the noxious weeds are still about. any comments? Ross McDonald Leichardt Council in Sydney use steam in controlling roadside weeds. 18 months ago the contractor offered to send a tanker and prime mover up to Goulburn to a project I was working on to give a demo but nothing came of it. I can find out some contact details if you like. Whereabouts are you, Ross? If you are using a hay-type mulch 50-75mm thick that should cut the weeds down a bit. What sort of weeds have you got? roger -- %% May I have given you seeds, that you can turn into roots, that will bear fruit in the future. (Rudolf Steiner) %% Reiki Healer, Earth Healing, Natural Energy Divination Earthcare Environmental Solutions PO Box 2057 Queanbeyan NSW 2620 Australia Ph: +61 2 6255 3824 Fax: +61 2 6255 1028 Mob: +61 410 469 541 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
BD and steam
As a new convert to to the BD practice can anyone advise if steam is used and method of application in managing weeds in the vineyard. We are primarily using a modified cutoff plough and then reforming the soil beneath the vines - I dont like doing this as the soil is turned over too often and the feeder roots of the vines must suffer. we are also using mulch under the vines but the noxious weeds are still about. any comments? Ross McDonald
bd preps
Hello All, We will have to purchase our preps from JPI, making our own is not possible. Might seem a bit of hypocracy, we are vegans, but we want the best for our patch of earth and biodynamics is part of the process. Already have some people that want food grown without the use of any animal products or residues. Research is providing a wealth of material locally to rebuild our acres; rock dusts, animal manures, paramagnetic rock, compost, sawdust,etc. We live in southern NM, a few miles from Mexico. Starting a school, a raw food learning center to open some tiime this year. Growing wheatgrass, sprouts, our own greens, veggies, planted over 500 various trees so far, off-grid, alternative building designs and methods, trying to lighten our footprint. Is there a best time for us to apply 500 & 501 here, can grow greens outside year round. How many times, and dates? Does anyone have plans for a stirring machine that they are willing to share? Thanks, DwayneDo you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now
Re: BD Brain Teasers
Roger: Sorry to have taken so long to reply to this thread, been busy lurking. The story as I have been told is that the preps were numbered by the powers that were, not Steiner and the numbers have no significance other than identification. In fact they have been numbered in the sequence that Steiner spoke of them in Lectures 4 & 5. Steiner specifically mentioned 502 - 507 as compost preps, The prep numbering started at 500 because up to 499 was allocated to other potions, medicinal ones I think. 508 was mentioned as a tea for rust or similar plant diseases and Steiner suggested they use homeopathic quantities on acreage. 509? would appear to be horn clay to me, as discussed on the list previously Steiner mentioned clay in passing but never went back to explain further. There are a number of other horn remedies used at various times by practitioners that have not been accepted by those who allocate the numbers, if such persons still exist, such as sulphur, copper & basalt. Lastly it is my belief that it shouldn't matter where preps are placed in the compost heap, we are after all, seeking to transfer the energies of the preps to the compost as a whole and as they naturally complement each other why should their position matter? David C - Original Message - From: "Roger Pye" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, 31 January 2003 2:56 PM Subject: BD Brain Teasers > 1. Did Steiner really intend BD502-507 to be used solely in compost > manufacture? > > 2. Did he identify equisetum as BD508 or was it someone else? > > 3. Is there a 'missing' BD509? If so, what might it and its purpose be? > > * > > Someone told me once, or I have read it and forgotten where, that the > preps are not numbered sequentially but that 502-508 actually fall > between 500 and 501. That is, the 'sequence' could be 500, 502, 503, > 504, 505, 506, 507, 508, 501. > > The plant growth cycle is divisible into nine stages - mature seed, > cotyledons, buds, leaves, calyx, petals, pistils, fruit, immature seed. > > There are at least twelve major building blocks of life - eg calcium, > magnesium, potassium, sulphur, nitrogen, carbon, hydrogen, phosphorus, > silicon, sodium, chlorine, manganese. > > There are also trace elements and other minerals that life needs - eg > copper, mercury, iron, silver, tin, zinc, lead, aluminium. > > Now if we look at the preps we find that some of these are represented > and the plant stages fit conveniently as well. > > 500 - horn manure - calcium - (balances soil, encourages microbial life) > 502 - yarrow - sulphur - copper - (seed) > 503 - chamomile - oxygen - mercury - (cotyledons) > 504 - nettle - nitrogen - iron - (bud) > 505 - oak bark - carbon - silver - (leaves) > 506 - dandelion - hydrogen - tin - (calyx) > 507 - valerian - phosphorus - lead - (petals) > 508 - equisetum - silica - (pistils, stamen) > (509) - ?? - ?? - (fruit) > 501 - horn silica - light energy - (seed) > > Given the exactitude of scientists it seems unlikely that Steiner > numbered his preparations in the order they 'came off the shelf' but > that he had a reason for assigning the numbers as he did. One attribute > all the preps have in common is energy. Could it be that in some way he > assessed the amount of energy held within each prep, aligned it with the > appropriate stage of plant growth, and numbered it accordingly? > > Back in 1924 the soils of Europe held a natural fertility that isn't > there any more. Germany and Austria had been saddled with a reparations > bill for world war I which was virtually impossible to pay (no prizes > for guessing which country was behind that). Farmers were under pressure > to produce more with less, added to which commodity prices were falling > and would not recover for at least ten years. Hence the use of > artificial fertilisers which were adversely affecting soil fertility. > > Steiner produced his preparations to counter those effects and take the > soil back to its original fertility. How did he do that? Indeed, how did > he know what that 'fertility' state was? > > Let us now enter the realm of fantasy. Let us suppose Steiner had a > device which enabled him to measure the amount of 'standing' energy held > in things and that at some time pre-superphosphate era he had measured > the soil and come up with an amount I shall call X enertrons. In 1924 he > remeasured the soil and it had a reading of X minus 100 enertrons. In > developing the preps, he conceived that: > horn manure would restore the level to X, > seed germination required an additional 200en, > cotyledrons another 300en > buds another 400 > leaves another 500 > calyx another 600
Re: BD News/Dr.Thomas Cowan/Guelph/Toronto
If you do not have a decent bandwidth - jetstream or even good phone lines - then the audio files will take ages to download. As for me. G Try again, please. And be sure to adjust your buffer in Real Audio for a slow modem. Thanks!
Re: BD News/Dr.Thomas Cowan/Guelph/Toronto
If you do not have a decent bandwidth - jetstream or even good phone lines - then the audio files will take ages to download. As for me. G - Original Message - From: "Allan Balliett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 2:35 PM Subject: Re: BD News/Dr.Thomas Cowan/Guelph/Toronto > The man from Garuda said: > > >Bandwidth, bandwidth bandwidth > > Does this mean something to you? It doesn't mean anything to me. > > What are you talking about? > > (I'm asking in earnest) > > Thanks > > -Allan >
Re: BD News/Dr.Thomas Cowan/Guelph/Toronto
Roughly translated means if i spend an extra 50 bucks a month on my internet connection and put a decent computer on it, I can listen to the tapes - tempting - yes - affordable ? not till it rains some! We would go from 26 k to 256k line speed LCharles OK Bandwidth works two ways. It's helpful to know your point of view. However, you should still be able to listen to these files, even on your 26kb connection by adjusting your buffering rate. It's like drip irrigating from a 1,000 gallon tank that you've got spaghetti seeping into 24 hours a day. If you can buffer far enough ahead, you shouldn't notice the slowness as you actually buffer. It's that waiting for the buffer to fill after the buffer has been set to the right size that we need to adjust. I'm not, however, getting enough feedback from the list to know what steps need to be taken to correct these problems. I'm no internet audio whiz. What would be most helpful is if people would talk to their ISPs and/or the RealAudio people to get suggestions for improving the playability of these files. Thanks -Allan
Re: BD News/Dr.Thomas Cowan/Guelph/Toronto
- Original Message - From: Allan Balliett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 12:35 PM Subject: Re: BD News/Dr.Thomas Cowan/Guelph/Toronto > The man from Garuda said: > > >Bandwidth, bandwidth bandwidth > > Does this mean something to you? It doesn't mean anything to me. > > What are you talking about? > > (I'm asking in earnest) > > Thanks > > -Allan > Roughly translated means if i spend an extra 50 bucks a month on my internet connection and put a decent computer on it, I can listen to the tapes - tempting - yes - affordable ? not till it rains some! We would go from 26 k to 256k line speed LCharles
Re: BD News/Dr.Thomas Cowan/Guelph/Toronto
The man from Garuda said: Bandwidth, bandwidth bandwidth Does this mean something to you? It doesn't mean anything to me. What are you talking about? (I'm asking in earnest) Thanks -Allan
Re: BD News/Dr.Thomas Cowan/Guelph/Toronto
Bandwidth, bandwidth bandwidth - Original Message - From: "Allan Balliett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 7:34 AM Subject: Re: BD News/Dr.Thomas Cowan/Guelph/Toronto > Manfred - Thanks for this pertinent post. Your efforts to report are > appreciated. > > > I have a 1.5 hour Tom Cowan presentation to post to the sound files > when we get through this troubleshooting stage. > > How do we get through this troubleshooting stage, well, people, > access the York file and tell me if it works for you or not and, if > not, call your ISP and find out 'why' This is only going to happen if > we work at it together and there's work that can be done from any > seat. > > Thanks -Allan >
Re: BD News/Dr.Thomas Cowan/Guelph/Toronto
Manfred - Thanks for this pertinent post. Your efforts to report are appreciated. I have a 1.5 hour Tom Cowan presentation to post to the sound files when we get through this troubleshooting stage. How do we get through this troubleshooting stage, well, people, access the York file and tell me if it works for you or not and, if not, call your ISP and find out 'why' This is only going to happen if we work at it together and there's work that can be done from any seat. Thanks -Allan
BD News/Dr.Thomas Cowan/Guelph/Toronto
Re: Dr. Cowan, anthroposophical md.etc. Though i could not attend, i heard reports that Dr Cowan received standing ovation from about 700 Organic and a few dozen BD growers attending his keynote address at the annual Guelph organic conference 2 weeks ago. I did make it to his subsequent presentation in Toronto, and was further inspired by his simple correlations of RS observations regarding human health...ie... ... the description of the segmented human skeleton as a resonant instrument whose own integrity determines much of the status of the whole organism. Paraphrasing: If you can't eat the bugs and worms directly for the nutrient value, then pass them through the chickens firststressing the accessible Omega factor in skeletal health just as grass fed cows convert the solar to the molar. ...manfred
Re: BD Brain Teasers (2)
- Original Message - From: Roger Pye <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 10:45 PM Subject: Re: BD Brain Teasers (2) > Lloyd Charles wrote: > > >This is just a game OK? > > > >>Near the dam are four black plastic 200 litre drums with push-fit lids, > >>all were filled from the dam: > >> > >>No 1 was filled 10 Oct 02 when the dam was full and the water > >>comparatively clear. (Vitality rating (VR) about 1500). > >> > No it isn't a game, Lloyd, sorry. I really am looking for answers here > from the different perspectives demonstrated on this list. > > roger I'm not into competitions but - you have my answers as to what I would expect to find in those barrels right now 1 good clean water (could drink it) 2 weed pepper thats run out of steam and needs re potentising 3 slow brew compost tea thats gone off a bit but still usable and beneficial to the plants (because of the way it was made) 4 'off' water a bit smelly / stale (I'm not gonna drink from this barrel) I have reasons that make sense to me - based on the very limited information you provided - for these answers I have very good reasons for my opinion on the tea barrel that I think James would agree with and Elaine Ingham would not. More later if you like Cheers Lloyd Charles
Re: BD Brain Teasers (2)
Lloyd Charles wrote: This is just a game OK? Near the dam are four black plastic 200 litre drums with push-fit lids, all were filled from the dam: No 1 was filled 10 Oct 02 when the dam was full and the water comparatively clear. (Vitality rating (VR) about 1500). No it isn't a game, Lloyd, sorry. I really am looking for answers here from the different perspectives demonstrated on this list. roger
Re: BD Brain Teasers (2)
This is just a game OK? > Near the dam are four black plastic 200 litre drums with push-fit lids, > all were filled from the dam: > > No 1 was filled 10 Oct 02 when the dam was full and the water > comparatively clear. (Vitality rating (VR) about 1500). No 1 good clean water still - Energy rating 27/36 No 2 as a potentised weed pepper its kaput! activity level against the intended weeds 20/180, general water energy rating 50/180 (needs repotentising to work) No 3 stinky tea - if its been left undisturbed there should be a layer of white mold or similar covering the top - the liquid will be a little 'off' slight vinegary smell, with some anaerobic poop in a layer at the bottom (dont disturb that) - but still usable for the plants on the reserve - ER of plants50/180 plants plus tea 70/180 - No 4 This water is tired but ok ER 50/180 Just a game right!! LCharles
BD Brain Teasers (2)
Scenario: A paddock with a roughly circular dam (open water storage) capacity about 30,000 litres of water. Plenty of life in and around this dam (frogs, reeds,birds, assorted vegetation including grass, thistles, mustard weed, mullein, wild sage) which is fed by a nutrient rich underground stream coming in from the west. Rainfall is less than 12 inches a year. There is an outlet on the eastern 'side' at ground level, aside from a little underground seepage it only runs in times of heavy rain. Near the dam are four black plastic 200 litre drums with push-fit lids, all were filled from the dam: No 1 was filled 10 Oct 02 when the dam was full and the water comparatively clear. (Vitality rating (VR) about 1500). Nos 2 and 3 were filled 12 Oct 02 immediately after 7,000 litres had been pumped from the dam. There had been no rain, the underground inlet feed was reduced and evaporation was increasing so the water was 'gluggy' to say the least. VR was then 2000. No 2 was potentised the same day as a weed pepper. A manure/molasses based compost tea was started in No 3 mid-November. The tea was finished by 1 Dec and made ready for spraying out on 10 Dec (but was not used). No 4 was filled 10 Dec immediately after another 7,000 litres had been pumped from the dam. There had still not been any rain, the dam level was down, so this water was very thick indeed (VR 2500). The four drums have been standing in the open in very hot conditions with lids fitted to reduce evaporation. Their contents were last looked at 21 Jan 03. Imagine you did the looking - what would you expect to find in terms of water quality, temperature and VR? (VR equates to lifeforce. For comparison purposes: the VR of rainwater falling on the Snowy Mountains is about 1500; of a reasonably fit person first thing after rising but before breakfast, 850; of a weed (african lovegrass), 500; of a growing vegetable (tomato plant), 1500; of a healthy tree (eucalypt, 20 metres), 60,000 (but this includes a 'contained habitat' loading factor). roger
Re: BD Brain Teasers
how does one contact Joe Stevens?
Re: BD Brain Teasers
- Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2003 12:40 AM Subject: Re: BD Brain Teasers > BD fish and kelp solutions ?? > me tell me about these. Another way for broadacre farmers to get the influence of the compost preps working over their farms - contact Cheryl Kemp for more info on this Cheryl Kemp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cheers Lloyd Charles>
Re: BD Brain Teasers
In a message dated 1/31/03 8:33:27 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Hi Steve Do you (or would you) use this same pattern and the main preps too (500,501,508) when you make barrel compost, and BD fish and kelp solutions? Thanks Lloyd Charles >> Yes, all compost and bc, and tea...sstorch
Re: BD Brain Teasers
BD fish and kelp solutions ?? me tell me about these. >Hi Steve >Do you (or would you) use this same pattern and the main >preps too (500,501,508) when you make barrel compost, and BD fish and kelp >solutions? >Thanks >Lloyd Charles > > > Laura Sabourin Feast of Fields Inc Demeter Certified Vineyard & Farm http://feast-of-fields.ca EcoVit Aerobic Compost Tea http://compost-tea.ca R R # 1 St Catharines, Ontario L2R 6P7
Re: BD Brain Teasers
Roger which device do you use to measure engery ? 509 is horn clay, mediator between 500 and 501 >As I said before, this is a fantasy. However, I do have a device which >measures energy and this tells me that BD500 = 100, BD501 = 1000, and >chamomile, nettle and dandelion = 200, 300 and 600 respectively. I can't >measure the others because I don't have any but 5 out of 10 seems pretty >good to me! > >So - what is BD509 and what does it do? > >roger > Laura Sabourin Feast of Fields Inc Demeter Certified Vineyard & Farm http://feast-of-fields.ca EcoVit Aerobic Compost Tea http://compost-tea.ca R R # 1 St Catharines, Ontario L2R 6P7
Re: BD Brain Teasers
If you arrange them in the compost heap energetically: > 500* > *[507]#***503*** > 504* > 505* > **506**502* > 501* > 508* > Hi Steve Do you (or would you) use this same pattern and the main preps too (500,501,508) when you make barrel compost, and BD fish and kelp solutions? Thanks Lloyd Charles
Re: BD Brain Teasers
In a message dated 1/31/03 8:20:51 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Steve - Do you place 500 and 501 in the pile as you would any of the (non-liquid) preps in the pile otherwise? -Allan >> Yes. That diagram represents the way the remedies go in the pile!!! sstorch
Re: BD Brain Teasers
I have been adding the 500 and 501 for over a year and like the results. The 508 adds great fungal activity to the compost. Steve - Do you place 500 and 501 in the pile as you would any of the (non-liquid) preps in the pile otherwise? -Allan
Re: BD Brain Teasers
The bd remedies took up the numbers 500-508 because the medecal remedies ended at 499. If you arrange them in the compost heap energetically: 500* *[507]#***503*** 504* 505* **506**502* 501* 508* # according to the research from Joe Stevens and his careful look at the original German and other notes from Rudy, it really sez to add the valerian when the compost is finished. I have done several batches this way, as reported to bdnow, and have increasingly dramatic results from past experiences. Try it. I have been working with different clay remedies, not horn clay. I feel there is definite need for clay, Hugo Erbe has described a clay remedy with wheat groats and clay in a bovine esophagus. We will be making some at JPI this year. The compost remedies themselves take on a clay like property. Are we not the clay in the bd remedies ourselves??? I prepare all my composts with this arrangement of remdies. Notice how the last digits add up to nine, that i how the preps energetically compliment eachother. I have been adding the 500 and 501 for over a year and like the results. The 508 adds great fungal activity to the compost.
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Gday Roger Lets have a bit of fun with this > 1. Did Steiner really intend BD502-507 to be used solely in compost > manufacture? No > > 2. Did he identify equisetum as BD508 or was it someone else? > Someone Else > 3. Is there a 'missing' BD509? If so, what might it and its purpose be? > Yes Horn Clay > * > I have absolutely no experience or background knowledge to back this up - just a mental picture of Steiner lecturing to those farmers years ago and I dont think the numbers were part of the deal at that stage I reckon they were someone else's invention at a later time. There is no number system used in the Kolisko book , they refer to the various preparations as "dandelion prepared as indicated by Dr Steiner" or similar terminology. I'm a raw newcomer to this but for me the numbers dont fit for the man and what he was doing at the time. I guess there will be a bunch of people come out to prove me wrong - good - I'll stand corrected (and unconvinced) Cheers all Lloyd Charles
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Hi Roger, My fantasy is a little differnt to yours. Perhaps Steiner wasn't the one who gave the numbers, perhaps he just gave the recipies. Steiner was concerned that we had active links with the cosmos, the closer part of which are the seven visible planetry bodies. Perhaps the two preparations matured in cows horns relate to the winter Sun and its digestive activity and the summer Sun and its ripening capacity. Perhaps these two were given as a duality. Then we might have Moon / oakbark in skull in water / condencing calcium into carbon 505 Venus / Yarrow florets in a stags bladder / condencing the airy senitive into the watery element of the bladder and urine. potasium, cu. sulfer. Mercury / Chamomile that grows as a weed in anaerobic places and whose flowers bring health to an unsettled digestive tract, oxygen, growth and expansion. Is able to quell smells in anaerobic rotting processes. Cacium and sulfer as a catalyst. Mars / where light penetrates into plant tissue bringing a finenes and delicacy to plant growth. Magnesium plus nitrogen iron calcium etc. Jupiter the dandelion flower is tenuously attached by a delicate hollow tube, almost not of this world. Wrapped in a messentry which is the message centre of the body. The sola plexus divides the upper from the lower Is a messanger from the cosmic world to the plant world as well as from the plant world to the cosmic.One might describe it as a cosmic breathing. To help the plants find what they need. Tin, zinc and hydrogen. Saturn. the lord of warmth and cool. The boundary of the visible planets so intended to form a boundary or skin to a compost or manure heap. To be an individual one needs a boundary or a skin. Lead, phosphorus. You ask the question as to what might correspond to the fruit; what about clay? I present this as another view and I'm sure others have their veiws that are different than these two. Well thats my brain gym for today!! Best wishes, Peter. - Original Message - From: "Roger Pye" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 4:56 PM Subject: BD Brain Teasers > 1. Did Steiner really intend BD502-507 to be used solely in compost > manufacture? > > 2. Did he identify equisetum as BD508 or was it someone else? > > 3. Is there a 'missing' BD509? If so, what might it and its purpose be? > > * > > Someone told me once, or I have read it and forgotten where, that the > preps are not numbered sequentially but that 502-508 actually fall > between 500 and 501. That is, the 'sequence' could be 500, 502, 503, > 504, 505, 506, 507, 508, 501. > > The plant growth cycle is divisible into nine stages - mature seed, > cotyledons, buds, leaves, calyx, petals, pistils, fruit, immature seed. > > There are at least twelve major building blocks of life - eg calcium, > magnesium, potassium, sulphur, nitrogen, carbon, hydrogen, phosphorus, > silicon, sodium, chlorine, manganese. > > There are also trace elements and other minerals that life needs - eg > copper, mercury, iron, silver, tin, zinc, lead, aluminium. > > Now if we look at the preps we find that some of these are represented > and the plant stages fit conveniently as well. > > 500 - horn manure - calcium - (balances soil, encourages microbial life) > 502 - yarrow - sulphur - copper - (seed) > 503 - chamomile - oxygen - mercury - (cotyledons) > 504 - nettle - nitrogen - iron - (bud) > 505 - oak bark - carbon - silver - (leaves) > 506 - dandelion - hydrogen - tin - (calyx) > 507 - valerian - phosphorus - lead - (petals) > 508 - equisetum - silica - (pistils, stamen) > (509) - ?? - ?? - (fruit) > 501 - horn silica - light energy - (seed) > > Given the exactitude of scientists it seems unlikely that Steiner > numbered his preparations in the order they 'came off the shelf' but > that he had a reason for assigning the numbers as he did. One attribute > all the preps have in common is energy. Could it be that in some way he > assessed the amount of energy held within each prep, aligned it with the > appropriate stage of plant growth, and numbered it accordingly? > > Back in 1924 the soils of Europe held a natural fertility that isn't > there any more. Germany and Austria had been saddled with a reparations > bill for world war I which was virtually impossible to pay (no prizes > for guessing which country was behind that). Farmers were under pressure > to produce more with less, added to which commodity prices were falling > and would not recover for at least ten years. Hence the use of > artificial fertilisers which were adversely affecting soil fertility. > > Steiner produced his preparations to counter those effects and take the > soil back to its original fert
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1. Did Steiner really intend BD502-507 to be used solely in compost manufacture? 2. Did he identify equisetum as BD508 or was it someone else? 3. Is there a 'missing' BD509? If so, what might it and its purpose be? * Someone told me once, or I have read it and forgotten where, that the preps are not numbered sequentially but that 502-508 actually fall between 500 and 501. That is, the 'sequence' could be 500, 502, 503, 504, 505, 506, 507, 508, 501. The plant growth cycle is divisible into nine stages - mature seed, cotyledons, buds, leaves, calyx, petals, pistils, fruit, immature seed. There are at least twelve major building blocks of life - eg calcium, magnesium, potassium, sulphur, nitrogen, carbon, hydrogen, phosphorus, silicon, sodium, chlorine, manganese. There are also trace elements and other minerals that life needs - eg copper, mercury, iron, silver, tin, zinc, lead, aluminium. Now if we look at the preps we find that some of these are represented and the plant stages fit conveniently as well. 500 - horn manure - calcium - (balances soil, encourages microbial life) 502 - yarrow - sulphur - copper - (seed) 503 - chamomile - oxygen - mercury - (cotyledons) 504 - nettle - nitrogen - iron - (bud) 505 - oak bark - carbon - silver - (leaves) 506 - dandelion - hydrogen - tin - (calyx) 507 - valerian - phosphorus - lead - (petals) 508 - equisetum - silica - (pistils, stamen) (509) - ?? - ?? - (fruit) 501 - horn silica - light energy - (seed) Given the exactitude of scientists it seems unlikely that Steiner numbered his preparations in the order they 'came off the shelf' but that he had a reason for assigning the numbers as he did. One attribute all the preps have in common is energy. Could it be that in some way he assessed the amount of energy held within each prep, aligned it with the appropriate stage of plant growth, and numbered it accordingly? Back in 1924 the soils of Europe held a natural fertility that isn't there any more. Germany and Austria had been saddled with a reparations bill for world war I which was virtually impossible to pay (no prizes for guessing which country was behind that). Farmers were under pressure to produce more with less, added to which commodity prices were falling and would not recover for at least ten years. Hence the use of artificial fertilisers which were adversely affecting soil fertility. Steiner produced his preparations to counter those effects and take the soil back to its original fertility. How did he do that? Indeed, how did he know what that 'fertility' state was? Let us now enter the realm of fantasy. Let us suppose Steiner had a device which enabled him to measure the amount of 'standing' energy held in things and that at some time pre-superphosphate era he had measured the soil and come up with an amount I shall call X enertrons. In 1924 he remeasured the soil and it had a reading of X minus 100 enertrons. In developing the preps, he conceived that: horn manure would restore the level to X, seed germination required an additional 200en, cotyledrons another 300en buds another 400 leaves another 500 calyx another 600 petals another 700 pistils another 800 fruit another 900 mature seed another 1000 His insights and experience led him to the development of matching preps and initially he numbered them to suit: 100, 200, 300, 400, 500, 600, 700, 800, 900, 1000. However he already had 499 homeopathic remedies. So he kept the capital figures, prefixed them with '50' and knocked off the remaining zeros, giving him 501, 502 . . . 509, 501. As he could not have two 501s, and did not have a 500 either, he took a further step and changed the first 501 to 500. As I said before, this is a fantasy. However, I do have a device which measures energy and this tells me that BD500 = 100, BD501 = 1000, and chamomile, nettle and dandelion = 200, 300 and 600 respectively. I can't measure the others because I don't have any but 5 out of 10 seems pretty good to me! So - what is BD509 and what does it do? roger
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Thanks Jane We simplifed things between my email and you getting there. Sorry The various plant trials are all there to choice from under the heading Agricultural Sprays Glen > > From: Jane Sherry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2003/01/30 Thu AM 05:21:18 GMT+13:00 > To: Bdnow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: Garuda BD Sprays results > > Glen, I don't see "Plant trials" after going to case studies... > JS > > > From: "Garuda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 15:27:44 +1300 > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: Garuda BD Sprays results > > > > http://get.to/garuda go to 'Case Studies' (on left), then 'Plant trials' > >
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Glen, I don't see "Plant trials" after going to case studies... JS > From: "Garuda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 15:27:44 +1300 > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Garuda BD Sprays results > > http://get.to/garuda go to 'Case Studies' (on left), then 'Plant trials'
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We have up dated our website with some pictures of the effects of some of our BD sprays http://get.to/garuda go to 'Case Studies' (on left), then 'Plant trials' There are some showing the effects of our possum spray on a tree that has been long term grazed by possums - this is not peppering. This method is based on the compost preps as reasonance harmonisers. Also rooting comp., frost protection and pictures of leaves showing the different growth habit from a couple of sprays. In short these pictures show the proof of the efficacy of Homeopathic BD preps and its further extension of Biodynamic applications. We will be posting Gill Cole's research paper on the efficacy of several Garuda sprays in a few days. Also a 'Growers Guide' to Garuda Sprays and 'Common Questions' section have been added. enjoy GA
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Steve, That is a great find and suggestion! It worked very well for me connected at 21.6!!! So the technologies exist to work with slow connection speeds... how do we find out how "they" did it? Perry Fyi, the PowerPoint can be viewed online The audio can be heard
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The seminar on phytoremediation below on is the one I was trying to remember as an example of PowerPoint slides integrated with audio. Fyi, the PowerPoint can be viewed online as an HTML slide show, or the presentation source can be downloaded as a complete PowerPoint slide show to your C:/drive. The audio can be heard in either RealAudio or Windows MediaPlayer formats. Phytotechnologies http://www.clu-in.org/conf/itrc/phyto_051501/ This is an EPA Technology Innovation Office online seminar hosted and Sponsored by ITRC (Interstate Technology and Regulatory Council). "Go to Seminar" button to view the seminar with PowerPoint images and audio. Jam and Jelly, Toast and Bread A cup of tea A foggy morning A window view The Dexter cow lays her poop Cow pit pat, Yee Microbes, Behold Regards, Steve Diver
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The BDNOW E-mail list is open to all. Subscribing is easy: simply sendan e-mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "subscribe BDNOW!!" in the Subjectfield. (I'll need your name and physical address in the Body of themessage, but it will be released to no one) To unsubscribe from bdnow, simply send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put"unsubscribe BDNOW!!" in the Subject field. This list is archived at:http://csf.colorado.edu/biodynamics/ However, I found this site that has a much better search http://www.mail-archive.com/bdnow%40envirolink.org/ Perry Please, how can my e-mail address be taken off of your listings?
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>>Allan, >>Hugh Lovel's excellent 3-hr. presentation at the Guelph Organic conference a >>couple years ago was professionally recorded and sold at the conference. I >>believe he retained a copy. Of course it's up to him whether he feels it >>appropriate to fwd to you.(or to copy). >>It was interspersed during one session with some references to his >>concurrent slideshow, but the wealth of his accessible verbal info would >>outweigh those non-visual factors. >>.manfred > >That sounds GREAT, manfred! -Allan Dear List, I do not have a copy. However, I have no objections to anyone with a copy sharing it. Best, Hugh Visit our website at: www.unionag.org
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A wav. file of 30 mins is 28mgs or so A CD would be best to send to you. OK G - Original Message - From: "Allan Balliett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 4:00 PM Subject: Re: BD Now! Audio Files > >Twas thinking. > >If wav. is very common then I could probably put the files on my site and > >you have a link to that page? from you BD audio page. Saves alot of > >middle bisso. > >Glen > > Sorry, it's not the way the system works, Glen. I have to > substantially massage the files so that they can be streamed. -Allan >
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Allan, Hugh Lovel's excellent 3-hr. presentation at the Guelph Organic conference a couple years ago was professionally recorded and sold at the conference. I believe he retained a copy. Of course it's up to him whether he feels it appropriate to fwd to you.(or to copy). It was interspersed during one session with some references to his concurrent slideshow, but the wealth of his accessible verbal info would outweigh those non-visual factors. .manfred That sounds GREAT, manfred! -Allan
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Allan, Hugh Lovel's excellent 3-hr. presentation at the Guelph Organic conference a couple years ago was professionally recorded and sold at the conference. I believe he retained a copy. Of course it's up to him whether he feels it appropriate to fwd to you.(or to copy). It was interspersed during one session with some references to his concurrent slideshow, but the wealth of his accessible verbal info would outweigh those non-visual factors. manfred
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Twas thinking. If wav. is very common then I could probably put the files on my site and you have a link to that page? from you BD audio page. Saves alot of middle bisso. Glen Sorry, it's not the way the system works, Glen. I have to substantially massage the files so that they can be streamed. -Allan
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Twas thinking. If wav. is very common then I could probably put the files on my site and you have a link to that page? from you BD audio page. Saves alot of middle bisso. Glen - Original Message - From: "Allan Balliett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 1:32 PM Subject: Re: BD Now! Audio Files > >Alan > >I can appreciate that sound recordings of my presentations at your > >conference may be difficult to follow without the pictures. > >I have played around on my computer and can record audio (.wav) so that it > >replays on Real player and WIndows media player etc. > >I would be interested in recording a session or two for you if this fits > >your technology. I could send them over on a CD if the files are too big. > >What do you think? > >Glen > > I"m very interested, Glen. You can put an hour in aiff on a CD (more > or less) I can translate .wav also. I work on a Mac, but a Mac is > open to most formats. Sounds very good, Glenn!! THANKS!! >
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Alan I can appreciate that sound recordings of my presentations at your conference may be difficult to follow without the pictures. I have played around on my computer and can record audio (.wav) so that it replays on Real player and WIndows media player etc. I would be interested in recording a session or two for you if this fits your technology. I could send them over on a CD if the files are too big. What do you think? Glen I"m very interested, Glen. You can put an hour in aiff on a CD (more or less) I can translate .wav also. I work on a Mac, but a Mac is open to most formats. Sounds very good, Glenn!! THANKS!!
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Alan I can appreciate that sound recordings of my presentations at your conference may be difficult to follow without the pictures. I have played around on my computer and can record audio (.wav) so that it replays on Real player and WIndows media player etc. I would be interested in recording a session or two for you if this fits your technology. I could send them over on a CD if the files are too big. What do you think? Glen - Original Message - From: "Allan Balliett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 6:38 AM Subject: BD Now! Audio Files > Folks - > > I haven't noticed a lot of interest in the audio files that are > posted at www.ibiblio.org/biodynamics > > I've agreed to post the rest of the recordings from Sally Fallon's > 2002 Weston A. Price conference, so there's another 7 or so files > about to go up. > > Posting files takes a very long time. One one hour presentation can > tie my computer up for 3 hours and myself up for almost that long. > > Don't get my wrong, I'm excited to make streaming sound available to > students of biological farming and healthy eating, but I don't want > to invest any more time and effort into this project if people are > not able to utilize it. > > Case in point: I made a call for other people's tapes and have > received to replies. > > Let me know, ok? We'll count lurkers in this poll also. >
BD Now! Audio Files
I haven't noticed a lot of interest in the audio files that are posted at www.ibiblio.org/biodynamics Case in point: I made a call for other people's tapes and have received to replies. Let me know, ok? We'll count lurkers in this poll also. Allan, a couple of points. 1) I'm surprised that you are tying up your own computer. I guess that's setting up Real files. It doesn't tie up to do the streaming does it? If so. then maybe you can find a non-profit server to host? It seems like a lot to ask of you. 2) Thanks for providing this valuable service. I'm really glad the resource is available. And having said that -- I haven't used it myself. I listened to a bit of some tapes but didn't want to take the time to listen to the whole thing. I work at my computer but somehow don't find it conducive to listen to, even for music. And audio lectures are a demanding media, you can't just let it pass by like video or jump forward/backward like text, you have to be involved to actually listen. So even tho I think this is a great resource, I'm not likely to be using it much. When I go into research mode and find a relevant tape, I would want to listen once and take some notes. That would be about it. I would probably not listen again tho I might reference the source material. BTW, I have it in mind to tape some future events, just don't have any ready at the moment. 3) On the lurker thing -- I'm not sure I get it. I don't always post on every subject and there are many times I wish others were as judicial. We get a lot of unneeded shlock on this list, in addition to comments that I highly value. That's freedom of expression, can't have one w/o the other. Overall, this is a great group, what's the problem? David Robison
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- Original Message - From: Allan Balliett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 10:54 PM Subject: Re: BD Now! Audio Files > >Allan, > > > >The settings on Real Player go as low as 28.8... however, I usually > >log on at 24.. sometimes getting to 26.4 if I'm lucky!!! > > Perry - I didn't understand the extent of your problem. Anything > under 28.8 is going to experience problems unknown to beta testers, > etc. What do you need to get a faster connection? IS this just a > modem thing or are your lines that poor? > > Folks - Think of Perry, please, when you do not edit your replies!! I > bet we have readers with even lower connections. -Allan > > Allan I am on line now at 26.4 occassionally we might get 28k (a lucky break and not often) - our service is more reliable than some I have compared notes with in similar rural areas of the US but fast it is not - the cure to this is to download then play but download times equally slow - I think this is a situation where you might have to forget about a few of us. If we want to go fast we have to go play with sattellites - its real good but pricey. Incidentally this is not much of a problem with normal stuff of the list - text only messages however long are not that slow. Cheers Lloyd Charles
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No computer audio equipment for listening here. (No CDs either, we're really stoneage.) Would you include the audio file web address in the BDNow ads that have run in Acres and Lilipoh? Or is that cluttering? Wow, Nancy! Let me know when you need suggestions for upgrading. What needs to be done is to move the audio files to www.gardeningforthefuture.com and give that as the BD Now! registration address.
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Thanks, my friend. It's good to hear that they are being made use of. I guess I was hoping that they would be more of a stimulus for discussion. Maybe I'll put counters on the files and then just assume the messages are getting out in the world. Thanks for the feedback, my friend. -Allan ?Allan: I have listened to all three presentations and I bought VANDANA SHIVA's books too. I think your effort is worthy even if just a handful of people get inspired and decide to do something about it.
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Allan, The settings on Real Player go as low as 28.8... however, I usually log on at 24.. sometimes getting to 26.4 if I'm lucky!!! Perry - I didn't understand the extent of your problem. Anything under 28.8 is going to experience problems unknown to beta testers, etc. What do you need to get a faster connection? IS this just a modem thing or are your lines that poor? Folks - Think of Perry, please, when you do not edit your replies!! I bet we have readers with even lower connections. -Allan
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Allan Balliett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Let me know, ok? We'll count lurkers in this poll also. > No computer audio equipment for listening here. (No CDs either, we're really stoneage.) Would you include the audio file web address in the BDNow ads that have run in Acres and Lilipoh? Or is that cluttering? __ The NEW Netscape 7.0 browser is now available. Upgrade now! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/browsers/download.jsp Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/
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Allan: I have listened to all three presentations and I bought VANDANA SHIVA's books too. I think your effort is worthy even if just a handful of people get inspired and decide to do something about it. Regards TaChung Huang (¶À¤j©¾) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Allan Balliett Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 9:39 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: BD Now! Audio Files Folks - I haven't noticed a lot of interest in the audio files that are posted at www.ibiblio.org/biodynamics I've agreed to post the rest of the recordings from Sally Fallon's 2002 Weston A. Price conference, so there's another 7 or so files about to go up. Posting files takes a very long time. One one hour presentation can tie my computer up for 3 hours and myself up for almost that long. Don't get my wrong, I'm excited to make streaming sound available to students of biological farming and healthy eating, but I don't want to invest any more time and effort into this project if people are not able to utilize it. Case in point: I made a call for other people's tapes and have received to replies. Let me know, ok? We'll count lurkers in this poll also.
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Allan, The settings on Real Player go as low as 28.8... however, I usually log on at 24.. sometimes getting to 26.4 if I'm lucky!!! I did see a toggle that will allow the whole file to download before playing. I'll give that a try tomorrow. That would at least be a better way to hear it without distraction. I'll write Real and get their suggestions for slow connections too. Perry internal settings in the Real Audio player will make it effective with connections as slow as 48k.And, if the above fails, howabout one or the other of you contacting Real Audio to see if we can find a solution.
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Steve - It dawns on me that you, of all people, would probably have tapes to contribute to this effort. -Allan
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In fact, I want to learn more about audio techniques and blend slides with audio for web-based delivery. Steve Diver YOu mean a recording of a speaker with the accompanying slides? That's the next step here. If you mean set up your powerpoint presentations with voiceover, then I recommend reconsideration. Everyone wants things to move faster, and all that. Thanks for the feedback. -Allan
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I've got a tape of Fred Kirschenmann at the IFOAM conf. last summer. Let me know if you'd like it. This w.b. awesome. A copy of your tape is preferred. Allan Balliett POB 3047 Shepherdstown, WV 25443
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Wow, Allen! I've sent people to the site to listen to Percy Schmeiser. I think you have the makings of a good site if you can get more items. Even if you can't I hope you leave what you have up. Patti Berg Good to hear of your good work, Patti! Thanks for passing the word! -Allan
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It's my understanding that internal settings in the Real Audio player will make it effetive with connections as slow as 48k. Have you guys set up all those prefs to let the software know how slow your connection is? Have you tried doubling the memory allotment see how that affects the performance? And, if the above fails, howabout one or the other of you contacting Real Audio to see if we can find a solution. Myself, when I was doing this stuff on a modem, making those custom settings made all the difference. llan, My connection is slow, so they are hard to listen to since it keeps stopping to reload. I reset the buffering time to a longer time, and that helps, but that just makes it longer when it does stop... Anyone else having trouble listening or is it me... Is there a way to save the file? I thought I could right click - "Save target as", but it only saves the link and then reloads to RealPlayer to open. Perry Hi Perry I have the same problem - i think my computer is not up to the job - i get about one minute play then about four minute reloading the "buffer" (whatever that is) Lloyd Charles
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- Original Message - From: Perry Clutts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 12:44 PM Subject: Re: BD Now! Audio Files Allan, My connection is slow, so they are hard to listen to since it keeps stopping to reload. I reset the buffering time to a longer time, and that helps, but that just makes it longer when it does stop... Anyone else having trouble listening or is it me... Is there a way to save the file? I thought I could right click - "Save target as", but it only saves the link and then reloads to RealPlayer to open. Perry Hi Perry I have the same problem - i think my computer is not up to the job - i get about one minute play then about four minute reloading the "buffer" (whatever that is) Lloyd Charles
