Re: [CTRL] Slave Documentation - H.H.

[E Mael]

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[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes:
>I understand, some persons are simply unable to bear the discomfort that
>can result from exposure to the ideas of others, and are especially
>confounded when those ideas directly challenge their own world view.  It
>is
>probably better that you filter, rather than overextend.
>
>Barb


maybe you and squawk ought to start your own list, then you could expose
each other to the truth and logic of your ideas. and you would not be
lonely because you would have each other.

grinnin' dis time,
chris

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Re: [CTRL] Why Can't Cameras Show Senators?

[Barb Witt]

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At 09:59 PM 1/17/99 -0500, you wrote:
> -Caveat Lector-
>
>In a message dated 1/17/99 9:46:17 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>writes:
>
><< clear.) What is the judicial logic that disallows camera views
> of the assembled senators? >>
>
>I think they got stung when the Republicans in the House obviously were having
>such a high old time beating up on the president, so while the Senate
>Republicans are probably grinning, poking each other, and having a few
>downright belly laughs, the camera can't show it.  This way when they tell us
>they consider this kangaroo court a serious, painful precedure, we can't tell
>by looking what a good time they are really having.  Prudy

I stand in awe of the way you weave every subject imaginable into the
pattern of your never ending story.  Are you capable of writing about
ANY theme without reducing it to bad Republicans and saintly Democrats?  If
so, please have mercy on us all.

Barb
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[CTRL] Fwd: "NEED TO KNOW" CONFERENCE NOV 27-28/99

[Kris Millegan]

The "Need to Know" Forum
Visit the website at www.need-to-know.org

Date: Nov 27 & 28/99
Location: Murray Fraser Hall, Rm 162, University of 
Calgary
Time: 9:00 a.m. till midnight both days
Cost:$100.00 at door or $80.00 in advance for 2 
days
Inludes: Two 12 hr days of lectures plus Q&A 
period
Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 403-680-3356
TOPICS:

  New World Order & Global Government 
  Vaccine safety and population control 
  AIDS, Ebola and other man-made plagues 
  Our current legal status "SLAVE" 
  Sovereign citizenship and private property 
  The International BAR Association 
  Canadian and U.S. constitutions 
  International Banking Cartel and the IMF 
  Secret Societies and their influences 
  New Agers, their occultic pagan origin and impact on society 
  Y2K, martial law, and North American Concentration Camps 
  End time prophecy study, the rapture and the great tribulation 
  Mind Control and government alphabet agencies(CIA, NSC etc) 
  Ecumenical movement and the coming One World Religion 
SPECIAL GUEST LECTURERS
Dr. Len Horowitz - received his doctorate from Tufts University and was 
awarded a fellowship in behavioral research at the University of Rochester. Dr. 
Horowitz earned a master's degree in public health and behavioral science from 
Harvard University. He also holds a master's degree in health education from 
Beacon College. Dr. Horowitz's research points to the likelihood that AIDS was a 
laboratory creation -- accidentally or intentionally transmitted via tainted 
hepatitis and smallpox vaccines in the United States and Africa.
Fritz Springmeier – author of many books on the New World Order including 
Bloodlines of the Illuminati which in almost 600 pages discloses 
mind-boggling facts and never before revealed truths about the top Illuminati 
dynasties. Discover the amazing role these bloodlines have played--and are now 
wielding--in human history, with family names such as Astor, DuPont, Kennedy, 
Onassis, Rockefeller, Rothschild, Russell, Van Duyn, and Krupp. Also author of 
THE ILLUMINATI FORMULA FOR UNDETECTABLE TOTAL MIND CONTROL 
SLAVE: VOL II
David Bay – president of the Cutting Edge Ministry heralding over the 
internet the current fulfillment of end time prophesy. Has studied and warned of 
the New World Order’s thrust to establish a global government dictatorship with 
its fulfillment of scripture regarding the endtimes. Extensively lectured on the 
satanic roots of the New Age movement and its impact on society and the rampant 
apostasy in the modern church.
David Gould - expert in the field of common law and the U.S. 
constitution. Documents the admiralty jurisdiction which rules in the U.S. and 
Canada which makes us subject to the crown of England. Thoroughly outlines the 
far reaching tentacles of the international BAR association and its subjugation 
to the crown as well.
Websites of lecturers:
Dr. Len Horowitz http://www.tetrahedron.org
David Bay http://www.cuttingedge.org
David Gould http://supremelaw.com/authors/gould/index.htm
Fritz Springmeier http://www.texemarrs.com/bloodln.htm

Re: [CTRL] Slave Documentation - H.H.

[Barb Witt]

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At 07:05 PM 1/17/99 +,  Snobird wrote:
> -Caveat Lector-

>Congratulations, Hawk!
>
>You have made it to my Filter-Delete list.
>
>I have absolutely no idea what you are doing here. I have absolutely no idea
>what
>you're trying to say to people on this list that has any value.. And until
>something
>convinces me otherwise, I want to save the bandwith.
>
>IMO, Kris is making a mistake trying to "argue" with you. I'm sorry to see
>that. You
>are clearly a no-win kinda guy.
>
>Enjoy your Mercedes. Have a nice day.
>sno0wl

I understand, some persons are simply unable to bear the discomfort that
can result from exposure to the ideas of others, and are especially
confounded when those ideas directly challenge their own world view.  It is
probably better that you filter, rather than overextend.

Barb
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[CTRL] The Jefferson Letter - nuclear conspiracy

[Dave]

Title: 



Dave Hartleyhttp://www.Asheville-Computer.comhttp://www.Asheville-Computer.com/dave
 


  
  

  The Jefferson Letter 
  
Blowing 
The Whistle on A Nuclear Threat 
Why 
the Nuclear Threat Is Growing Faster Than Ever 
Henry 
Alfred Kissinger - Pimp Diplomacy 
The 
Psychological Strategy Board is Born 
Gordon 
Gray Media Expert & Spy 
The 
Psychological Strategy Board? What Psychological Strategy Board? 
The 
Operations Coordinating Board AKA The Psychological Strategy Board 
The 
Jackson Committee's Views On US Information Activities 
Changing 
America's Trinity of Inalienable Rights 
The 
Policy Makers Take Control of The American Government 
Coordinated 
Nuclear Proliferation 
Happy 
Birthday - The National Security Act 10 Years Old 
The 
Psychological Warfare Board Redux? 
Lynn 
Etheridge Davis - Big Sister Tells US "War is Peace" 
The 
Emperors of the Superpowers - The Unintelligence Community 
Trilateral 
Commission - How to Profit from an Economy of Unrest 
Confuse 
and Control - Soviet Techniques in Germany 
Would 
You Like Spies With That Eagleburger Ma'am? 
Secret 
Illegal U.S. Government Operations - Isn't that Treason? 
Advising 
A President to Act Illegally - Isn't That Treason? 
Like 
Father Like Son - Another Gray Another Dollar 
Feeding 
on the Fed 
The 
New Presidential E-con-o-m-i-c ( pronounced "A-con-oh-um-I-see!") 
Advisor 
USA 
Discovers a New State - The State of Perpetual National Security 
CFR - 
Code of Federal Regulations or Council on Foreign Relations? 

  Preface: A paper, titled Use The Sun, was submitted to the Florida 
  Solar Energy Commission for presentation at a symposium called Hydrogen 
  '94. The paper told of a small group called the Council on Foreign 
  Relations and its sister organization the Trilateral Commission, whose 
  members include the names of leading American, Western European, and 
  Japanese citizens. This group had been sabotaging the development of 
  renewable energy resources while promoting nuclear proliferation. The 
  group did this to create an economy of unrest from which they could 
  profit. After accepting the paper the paper was rejected. Vice President 
  Al Gore and Senator Thomas Harken were among the invited guests. Vice 
  President Gore's father played a key role in establishing Nuclear Power in 
  America. A letter and a copy of Use the Sun, was sent to Gore questioning 
  why the Committee Chairman and Technical Committee found the paper 
  inappropriate for presentation at the symposium. A copy of the Gore letter 
  was sent to Senator Thomas Harken. Harkin had written a book called Five 
  Minutes to Midnight:Why the Nuclear Threat is Growing Faster Than Ever. 
  The forward to Harkin's book was written by former CIA director William 
  Colby. Colby tells the reader that a group of "Emperors of the 
  Superpowers" have built a dangerous myth clothed in the guise of national 
  security. Colby tells the reader that the citizens were kept uniformed on 
  purpose. What Colby doesn't tell the reader is that he is a member of the 
  Group. 
  1 Blowing The Whistle on A Nuclear Threat 
  Harkin didn't answer the letter, or speak at the symposium. 
  In 1975 a Congressional investigation of U.S. intelligence 
  organizations uncovered numerous blatant unconstitutional activities. The 
  House Intelligence Committee subpoenaed classified materials from CIA 
  Director Colby. Colby refused to transfer sensitive material. Congressman 
  Michael J. Harrington was dropped from the House investigation committee 
  as a security risk when he fought to disclose facts of CIA operations in 
  Chile. It was Colby who singled out Harrington as a security risk. Colby 
  escaped punishment. 
  Colby is a lawyer with Donovan, Leisure, Rogovin, Huge and Schiller. 
  The firm has offices in Egypt. Colby is a member of the CFR. Mitchell 
  Rogovin, another CFR member, was Special Counsel for the CIA and director 
  of the US Nuclear Regulatory Commission Inquiry Group on Three Mile 
  Island. Why didn't Colby warn the American public regarding the dangerous 
  use of Nuclear Power earlier on? Another member David A. Shaw served as 
  Counsel for the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence 1977-1980. Since 
  Colby was under investigation isn't this a conflict of interest, 
  unethical, and illegal? Is Colby's law firm intimately connected to and a 
  part of the Inte

[CTRL] FW: DrugSense Weekly, November 19, 1999, #124

[Dave]

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http://www.Asheville-Computer.com
http://www.Asheville-Computer.com/dave


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Sent: Friday, November 19, 1999 12:25 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: DrugSense Weekly, November 19, 1999, #124


**

DRUGSENSE WEEKLY

**

DrugSense Weekly, November 19, 1999   #124

A DrugSense publication  http://www.drugsense.org/

Read This Publication Online at: http://www.drugsense.org/current.htm



TABLE OF CONTENTS:

* Feature Article
In Memorium - Gil Puder - Only the Good Die Young
by Ethan Nadelmann and Eugene Oscapella

* Weekly News in Review

Drug Policy-

(1) Congress is Bought And Paid for
(2) Editorial: Congressional Cracks
(3) Column: Fighting the War Against Drug Policy
(4) Drug Legalization is Goal of Touring Team
(5) King County Drug Deaths Set Record in '98
(6) U.S. Underestimated Cocaine Flow
(7) Judge Stops Drug Tests for Welfare

Law Enforcement & Prisons-

(8) Editorial: Faith in LAPD in The Balance
(9) OPED: The Gulag Beat Goes on and on
(10) Editorial: 'Three Strikes' Strikes Out
(11) Sen. Rod Grams' Son Wasn't Charged After Drugs Found in Car

Cannabis & Hemp-

(12) What Are They Smoking?
(13) Legalize It!

International News-

(14) Editorial: Vancouver's Les Miserables
(15) Drug Queenpin or Innocent Victim?
(16) Colombia: Car Bomb Leaves at Least 8 Dead In Bogota
(17) Australia: Big Guns Fire in Drugs Row
(18) Australia: Move to Reclaim Profits of Crime

* Hot Off The 'Net

Renee Boje Defense Fund Link
Barry McCaffrey Banned from Aussie Olympics
Drug War Sound Bites Now online

* Quote of the Week

Mark Twain



FEATURE ARTICLE


PUDER Gilbert William Harold. July 11th, 1959- November 12th, 1999.

With heavy hearts we are saddened to announce our loss of Gil.

Gil had 17 years of distinguished service in the Vancouver Police
Department. He was also an instructor at the Justice Institute of
BC/Police Academy, and at Langara College Criminal Justice Department.

Gil was a dedicated athlete. He played and coached basketball for the
University of British Columbia Thunderbirds; he was a black belt in
Canada Shotokan Karate participating in many local and international
tournaments; and he actively participated in youth sports, coaching
both basketball and soccer.

He was an accomplished writer who regularly contributed to professional
publications related to policing issues of Control Tactics/Physical
Training, Use of Force and most recently Gil was a well known advocate
for Drug Law Reform.

He is survived by his wife Christine, sons Jason and Brendan; his
mother Barbara, father Richard; brothers Randy and Jeremy (Freda),
nephew Austen; Uncle Gary (Eileen), cousins Susan and Jay; grandparents
Georgia and William Rickson; and many friends and colleagues.

Gil had diverse interests and talents; he touched many lives and will
be remembered for his strong beliefs and commitment to action. He
always loved a healthy debate.

A memorial service will be held on Friday November 19 at 2:00pm at
Ryerson United Church, 2195 W. 45th, Vancouver. Donations in Gil's
honour may be made to the BC Cancer Agency or the Canadian Cancer
Society BC/Yukon Division.

Pubdate: 16 Nov, 1999
Source: Vancouver Sun (CN BC)
Copyright: The Vancouver Sun 1999
Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Website: http://www.vancouversun.com/

---

In Memorium Gil Puder - Only the Good Die Young
by Ethan Nadelmann and Eugene Oscapella

Dear friends of drug policy reform

Gil Puder, the Vancouver police constable who almost two years ago
bravely broke police ranks and publicly challenged the futility of the
war on drugs, passed away November 12 after a brief but intense battle
with cancer.

Those of you who knew Gil were aware of his courage in standing up to
the entrenched prohibitionist policies of senior police ranks and
government.  We have lost not only an intelligent and outspoken
advocate of humane drug policy reform, but a gentleman whose strength
of character would almost certainly have led him to public office, much
to the benefit of all Canadians.

Eugene Oscapella
Canadian Foundation for Drug Policy
http://www.cfdp.ca/

---

Gil Puder was a remarkable fellow -- a brilliant speaker and a
courageous advocate who was among the very few law enforcement
professionals in North America to speak out publicly against the war on
drugs and in favor of substantive alternatives. He understood not just
the limits and negative consequences of treating drugs primarily as a
criminal justice issue but also the basic principles and practices of
harm 

Re: [CTRL] PJ lied under oath?

[E Mael]

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[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes:
>In a message dated 1/17/99 10:03:57 AM Eastern Standard Time,
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
><< We believe in 'such conspiracies', but we also know that Klinton has
> absolutely NO self-control, and is the sole cause of his own loss of
> 'credibility and reputation'.  We also know that when it comes to
> assassination, Klinton is the master of the game.


what some people call self control others might think of as sexual
repression and as any self respecting social engineer knows that; if they
have you by the balls, your mind will follow. you seem fairly obedient to
the program june. rant on, because it is man's domain to subdue nature and
master his environment and capitalism to bring it all to distruction. i
keep thinking two-tonguedness, but everyone knows that is not a word.

>Ah June, you have so much insider knowlege.  Prudy


that is from hanging with insider types; i cringe to think who that might
be.

chris

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Re: [CTRL] Nixon's Successor and JFK Assassination

[TenebrousT]

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In a message dated 11/19/99 11:24:10 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:

>
>  Arlen Specter had some position in the Warren Commission.  Anybody know
just
>  what it was?  Prudy
>

He was an attorney for the commission, and on their staff of
interviewers/investigators.

**
***
"Welcome to the desert of the real."  Morpheus, "The Matrix".

"The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human
mind to correlate all its contents.
  We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of seas of infinity,
and it is not meant that we should
  voyage far.  The sciences, each straining in its own direction, have
hitherto harmed us little; but someday
  the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying
vistas of reality, and of our
  frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation
or flee from the deadly light into the
  peace and safety of a new dark age."  H.P.Lovecraft; "The Call of Cthulhu"

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Re: [CTRL] Slave Documentation - H.H.

[Hawk]

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Sno0wl wrote:

> Congratulations, Hawk!
>
> You have made it to my Filter-Delete list.

Good.

> I have absolutely no idea what you are doing here.

You also apparently have no idea what YOU are doing here.

> I have absolutely no idea what you're trying to say to people on this list that has
> any value..

I wouldn't think that you would.

> And until something convinces me otherwise, I want to save the bandwith.

Good.

> IMO, Kris is making a mistake trying to "argue" with you. I'm sorry to see that. You
> are clearly a no-win kinda guy.

I hadn't noticed...

> Enjoy your Mercedes. Have a nice day.

I will... or maybe the Cadillac... Gee If I were to get rid of the Cadillac, would
it materialize in some African's front yard?

Hawk

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Re: [CTRL] PJ lied under oath?

[PRUDYL]

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In a message dated 1/17/99 10:03:57 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< We believe in 'such conspiracies', but we also know that Klinton has
 absolutely NO self-control, and is the sole cause of his own loss of
 'credibility and reputation'.  We also know that when it comes to
 assassination, Klinton is the master of the game. >>

Ah June, you have so much insider knowlege.  Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] Why Can't Cameras Show Senators?

[PRUDYL]

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In a message dated 1/17/99 9:46:17 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:

<< clear.) What is the judicial logic that disallows camera views
 of the assembled senators? >>

I think they got stung when the Republicans in the House obviously were having
such a high old time beating up on the president, so while the Senate
Republicans are probably grinning, poking each other, and having a few
downright belly laughs, the camera can't show it.  This way when they tell us
they consider this kangaroo court a serious, painful precedure, we can't tell
by looking what a good time they are really having.  Prudy

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[CTRL] (Fwd) DISEASE OUTBREAK IN FLORIDA

[Sno0wl]

 -Caveat Lector-

>HEMORRHAGIC DISEASE, DOGS - USA (FLORIDA)
While this is about dogs and comes from another list, I thought it was significant.
I've just been reading all the contrail postings.

sno0wl


--- Forwarded Message Follows ---

Here is a government statement on the outbreak.  Everyone be
careful on
the
Fla circuit and at Westminister.  Please pass this along.  This is how
the
Parvo outbreak started in Ca back in the 70's and spread across the
country.
Please post to your lists.

>HEMORRHAGIC DISEASE, DOGS - USA (FLORIDA)
>***
>A ProMED-mail post
>
>
>
>Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 18:39:50 -0500
>From: "George A. Robertson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>jlentino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, &
>Peter Cyrog, DVM <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Source: News agency [edited]
>
>
>Florida -- Derby Lane, the world's oldest continuously operating
dog
>track, was closed Friday after six greyhounds have died from a
mystery
>illness and other dogs were ill with a pneumonia-like illness. More
>than 100 other dogs, mostly 2- and 3-year-olds, are suffering from
>this highly contagious cough. The dogs are coughing up blood and
the
>pathologist involved is uncertain as to the cause, labeling it a
>mystery.
>
>Dr. William Castleman, the University of Florida pathologist who
>performed an autopsy on one of the dogs, Gaffer, from the St.
>Petersburg race track. "Is it something new?'' Castleman asked. "Is
>it a common infection that's just taken a new turn? We don't know.
>But the fact [that] this dog became very ill and started bleeding and
>died has us thinking there has to be something else going on
here.''
>Castleman said it will probably take two weeks before scientists
can
>isolate the pneumonia-like virus.
>
>Trainers reported that dogs suffering the mystery illness were
>bleeding through the nose and the mouth, discharging bloody
stools.
>Some had blood vessels in their skin burst. "Whatever type of
>infection this is, it breaks down the clotting mechanisms in the
dog.''
>
>The track imposed a quarantine on its greyhounds and set up an
>around-the-clock infirmary to combat the illness, which officials
say
>poses no threat to humans. A necropsy confirmed that one of the
dogs
>died of a viral respiratory disease and had internal bleeding, said
>Sarah Casey, spokeswoman for the University of Florida College
of
>Veterinary Medicine. [With veterinarians involved, it may not be
>_Bordetella_ spp, the common "kennel cough" - Mod.TG]
>
>The dogs at Hollywood Greyhound Track [Florida] have been put
under
>quarantine after several greyhounds came down with a virus
different
>than the one in St. Petersburg, Garry Duell, assistant racing
>secretary at the track, said Sunday. "It's not the same virus," he
>insisted. "It's the normal kennel cough that they get this time of
>year.'' Several dogs were scratched from the race card Saturday
but
>none were taken off Sunday, Duell said.
>
>Dog tracks in Daytona Beach, Jacksonville, Miami, Naples and
Orlando
>also have quarantined their dogs as a precaution. Races will
probably
>be scratched at Derby Lane at least through Wednesday, track
general
>manager Vey Weaver said. Derby Lane is one of  the largest
taxpaying
>pari-mutuels in the state. About 1100 dogs were scheduled to race
>there this year. Because of the virus scare, Greyhound Protection
>League, a San Francisco-based anti-racing group, has urged
owners to
>impose a nationwide quarantine at the greyhound tracks.

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[CTRL] Fw: R.A.F.I KICKS MONSANTO'S BUTT AS TERMINATOR TECH GETS HOSED!!

[Lloyd Miller]

 -Caveat Lector-

-Original Message-
From: John Hammell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tuesday, October 27, 1998 6:40 PM
Subject: R.A.F.I KICKS MONSANTO'S BUTT AS TERMINATOR TECH GETS HOSED!!


IAHF List: Encouraging and very welcome news follows! We might be able to
preserve the human race yet, despite Monsanto's mindless greed driven
eugenics. We don't need Mondsanto to genetically engineer seeds so that
they can't germinate. That could kill a lot of us(!!) I urge all of you to
visit the RAFI website after reading this encouraging report in order to
learn of their important efforts. IAHF can't focus singlehandedly on ALL
the health freedom issues. We work closely with groups such as RAFI, the
National Health Federation, and the American Preventive Medical Assn and
often exchange information with these groups. Many hands make light work!

>>--
>>ALERT:  Look for More Important Items on the Terminator Very Soon!
>>--
>>
>>Rural Advancement Foundation International (RAFI)
>>http://www.rafi.org
>>News Release - 23 October 1998
>>
>>--
>>World's Largest International Agricultural Research Network Vows not to
>>use Terminator Technology
>>--
>>
>>It's bad for poor farmers and it's bad for crop biodiversity concludes the
>>Consultative Group on International Agricultural Research (CGIAR) meeting
>>in Washington.
>>
>>With more than 70% of the Third World's rice and wheat crops based upon
>>its crop breeding programmes, the world's largest network of agricultural
>>research institutes is vowing not to use Terminator Technology (a
>>biotech-based strategy that prevents seed from regerminating in a second
>>growing season).  The decision is a slap in the face to one of its major
>>funders - the US Government, and to Monsanto Corporation - who claim their
>>technology will help feed the hungry.
>>
>>Proud Policy:
>> RAFI has learned that a special committee of the Consultative Group for
>>International Agricultural Research (CGIAR) has agreed to advise its
>>network of 16 International Agricultural Research Centres to adopt a
>>no-use policy with respect to the Terminator Technology jointly patented
>>by the US Department of Agriculture and a Monsanto subsidiary, Delta and
>>Pine Land Seed Company.  The decision, by the Genetic Resources Policy
>>Committee of the CGIAR, will - if custom is maintained - be accepted by
>>the entire network at its annual gathering in Washington October 26-30.
>>This is the first time, to RAFI's knowledge, that the CGIAR - with an
>>annual budget of about US$325 million in 1998, has taken such a
>>controversial policy position and directly challenged the CGIAR's biggest
>>long-term donor - the US Government.
>>
>>1800 Letters:
>> "Its the right decision and it is also a courageous decision," says RAFI
>>director, Pat Roy Mooney.  "Since the patent was granted in the United
>>States last March, it has attracted unprecedented opposition from farmers'
>>organizations, environmentalists, and agricultural scientists.  More than
>>1,850 individuals from 54 countries have written personal protests to the
>>US Secretary of Agriculture demanding that the technology be banned,"
>>Mooney adds.
>>
>>Risky Business:
>> The CGIAR's policy committee, chaired by World Food Prize winner, M.S.
>>Swaminathan of India, began studying the Terminator at RAFI's request last
>>April.  The policy committee agreed to call for a network-wide ban on the
>>use of the technology when it met in Washington Tuesday this week.
>>Government delegations arriving in Washington for next week's formal
>>meetings learned of the decision as they arrived at their hotels.
>>
>>Voices for the Poor:
>> "RAFI doesn't have direct access to the final resolution," Mooney
>>reports, "but several delegates confirm that the ban was accepted because
>>the Terminator threatens the well-being of 1.4 billion poor people who,
>>according to FAO statistics, depend upon farm saved-seed for their food
>>security.  Many also opposed the Terminator because of its direct and
>>indirect threat to crop genetic diversity.  By rendering the harvested
>>seed sterile, the Terminator puts a chilling end to 12 thousand years of
>>farm seed conservation and community plant breeding."  According to RAFI's
>>sources, opposition to the Terminator was strongest from CIMMYT (the
>>International Maize and Wheat Improvement Centre near Mexico City), IPGRI
>>(the International Plant Genetic Resources Institute in Rome) and from the
>>committee's Chair, M.S. Swaminathan.
>>
>>Third World Target:
>> "This is a serious blow to Monsanto and to the US Government," Pat Mooney
>>asserts, "Both parties have argued that the Terminator was designed with
>>Third World farmers in mind.  They have also specifically identified crops
>>like wheat and rice in countries such as India, China and Pakistan.  The
>>inventors claim that Terminator will give companies wi

[CTRL] Threat of Seed Sterilization?

[Lloyd Miller]

Title: Terminator: RAFI Launches Mail Campaign




 Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Errors-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
X-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 03:06:31 -0500 
To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> From: John 
Hammell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: No to Seed Sterilization- Shoot Email 
to USDA from RAFI   website NOW! X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 
quoted-printable to 8bit by halibut.pnc.com.au id SAA14494 
>X-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows 
Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) >Date:  Thu, 05 Nov 1998 00:53:06 
-0500 >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: - Important Seed 
Sterilization >To: unlisted-recipients:; (no To-header on input) > 
>X-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Unverified) >X-Mailer: QUALCOMM 
Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1 >Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 19:39:33 -0600 
>To: "1a-TBA Members & Friends"  
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >From: Take Back Arkansas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>Subject: - Important Seed Sterilization > >>From Ed 
Loop- >Subject: Non-Ed - Important:  Seed Sterilization > 
>This ties into what I sent out yesterday and in truth is a thinly 
disguised >attempt, along with others, to control the global food 
supply.  Not only >will it control seed sourcing but will also 
control who grows what and >where, at the expense of the small 
farmer.  This is part of global >government control.  Fred 
> >Date:  Tue, 29 Sep 1998 16:12:38 -0800 
>Subject:  Terminator: RAFI Launches Mail Campaign 
>-- 
>   Help Stop the Terminator 
>Jump to: http://www.rafi.org/usda.html 
>-- >Monsanto in Closed 
Negotiations with the US Department of Agriculture to >Finalize Control 
of Terminator Technology > > 
 > Monsanto is 
moving swiftly to finalize its control over > the Terminator 
technology.  The company may extract an > exclusive license from the 
US Department of Agriculture > (USDA) within weeks.   RAFI is 
initiating an urgent > internet-based international campaign to stop the 
USDA - > Monsanto negotiations before it's too late.  A special 
> WWW page has been set up at http://www.rafi.org/usda.html > to 
enable anyone with internet access to send a customized > message to the 
USDA asking it to cease negotiations and > bury this anti-farmer, 
anti-biodiversity technology. > Additional contact details are provided 
below. > -- 
>A Monsanto subsidiary, Delta & Pine Land (D&PL),  is 
currently negotiating >with the USDA to exclusively license the US 
Government's interest in the >controversial Terminator technology patent, 
a genetic technique that >renders farm-saved seed sterile. The 
seed-sterilizing technology - >developed with US taxpayer dollars - will 
prevent farmers from saving seed >from their harvest, forcing them to 
return to the commercial seed market >every year. > >The 
Terminator patent (US # 5,723,765) is jointly owned by D&PL and the 
>USDA.  Under US law, since D&PL worked with USDA to develop the 
technology, >the company has the option to negotiate an exclusive 
license.  Hoping to >find a gullible international public, 
Monsanto's PR machine in Brussels, >New Delhi, Harare, St. Louis, and 
points in between, are massaging jittery >governments and publicly trying 
to distance the company from the Terminator >technology by referring to 
it as "conceptual" and "not yet proven."   But 
>the company's move to negotiate an exclusive license with USDA confirms 
>that Monsanto is eager to commercialize Terminator seeds. > 
>Despite international controversy boiling over in at least two UN 
agencies >rather than engage in public dialog, a leaked internal memo by 
Deputy >Administrator K. Darwin Murrell reveals that USDA hopes to 
quietly manage >controversy over the patent.    The memo 
warns USDA employees that >Terminator research is "a sensitive issue 
that requires an extra level of >review" to help "avoid 
potential political and legal pitfalls." But the >USDA insists that 
the Terminator is a beneficial technology and confirms >that its 
scientists are themselves interested in developing the seed >sterilizing 
technique as platform to host a package of "stacked" traits in 
>genetically engineered plants. > > >SAY NO TO 
TERMINATOR! > >RAFI invites you to join an international e-mail 
campaign being initiated >today to protest the licensing and commercial 
development of the Terminator >technology.  RAFI has set up a 
special web page >(http://www.rafi.org/usda.html) that automatically 
sends a customized >e-mail to US Secretary of Agriculture Dan Glickman 
(also see address >information below).  We urge you to write to US 
Department of Agriculture >officials to demand that USDA cease licensing 
negotiations and abandon all >international patent applications on a 
dangerous and immoral technology >that should never see the commercial 
light of day. > >RAFI is urging gove

[CTRL] Tainted Blood the Real Smoking Gun???!

[Lloyd Miller]

Title: Top Story




  Edward 
Timperlake, William C. Triplett II:The Year of the Rat: How 
Bill Clinton Compromised U.S. Security for Chinese Cash 
 In these pages we will show 
that, in order to gain and hold onto power, the Clinton administration has acted 
recklessly, allowing the wrong people to gain access to our most important 
political and economic secrets. Any number of Chinese arms dealers, spies, 
narcotics traffickers, gangsters, pimps, accomplishes to mass murder, communist 
agents, and other undesirables will appear in these pages, all associated in one 
way or another with the White House and money... (Regnery publ. 256 pages. 
October 1998) Read more about this book. 
See other books/videos for sale. 


Bloodgate: 
A New Theory on the Death of Vincent Foster

By TIMOTHY J. WHEELER 



Before they closed down his investigation, Miquel Rodriguez 
was planning to break the inner circle of the Clintons one by one before 
the grand jury. It was his suspicion that Foster was being lobbied 
intensely by the core group of Arkansans at the White House during the 
days before his death . . . --Ambrose Evans-Pritchard: The Secret Life 
of Bill Clinton. 

The crucial question in the Vincent Foster case, as the Wall Street 
Journal observed almost immediately, is not murder versus suicide, but WHY 
Foster died. What issue could be so important? Why was Foster getting a 
full-court press from the Arkansas inner circle -- Webster Hubbell, Bruce 
Lindsey, Patsy Thomasson, Marsha Scott, Bill Clinton himself -- at the White 
House just before he died? 
In August, 1998, five years after his death, information began to come to 
light that gives us a completely new and I believe correct answer to that 
vexing question, why? The story is known in broad outline if not in every 
last detail. It is richly documented from criminal investigations, news 
stories and eyewitness accounts. It is an Arkansas story of plain motive and 
ordinary human dimension. Unlike hard-to-believe spy stories, it 
"fits," and Foster is known to have been involved -- for years. 
None of this information was known to the Fiske or Starr investigations. One 
tantalizing clue emerged just days ago, in a deposition by Linda Tripp. 
Here are two recent pieces of the puzzle. Note the reference to 
"tainted blood" in both. 
From a column by Maggie Gallagher in the New York Post, September 25, 
1998: 

Once upon a time -- in fact a day or two after Vince Foster 
died -- a man called the White House Counsel's Office. "This was 
not a line that kooks typically rang us up on," my source told me. 
Lunatics call the main office number. This guy called one of Vince's 
assistants directly. 
The man said he had some information that might be important. 
Something had upset Vince Foster greatly just days before he died. Some 
thing about "TAINTED BLOOD" THAT BOTH VINCE FOSTER AND 
PRESIDENT CLINTON KNEW ABOUT... 
"I'm only telling you this now because Vince Foster was very 
distressed about this only days before his death," the mysterious 
caller... said. 


From a deposition by Linda Tripp, January 13, 1999, under cross 
examination by White House attorney Paul Gaffney: 

GAFFNEY: Now the bit about the screen flashing up 
encrypted... 
TRIPP: The word encrypted, if I used it at all, did not have to do 
with FBI files. It had to do with another issue on [Vincent Foster's 
secretary] Deb Gorham's machine... What I had told Lucianne Goldberg at 
the time was that it had been alarming to me that WHEN I TRIED TO ENTER 
DATA FROM A CALLER THAT I WAS WORKING WITH ON A TAINTED BLOOD ISSUE, 
that every time I entered a word that had to do with this particular 
issue, it would flash up either the word encrypted or password required 
or something to indicate the file was locked. 


Foster had troubles, any of which could have been a motive for either 
murder or suicide. Whitewater, Travelgate, Waco, marital strains, the 
apparent break-up of his relationship with Hillary Rodham Clinton, and one 
that bears close examination, his failure to prepare a blind trust for the 
Clintons' assets. The trust should have been done by the inauguration, six 
months earlier, yet he was still working on it when he died on July 20th. 
Its lateness suggests that he was having trouble hiding suspicious assets 
and ran a growing risk of being exposed, along with the Clintons. 
With all this, you'd hardly think that his real worry would be something 
entirely different, "some thing about tainted blood that [both he] and 
Clinton knew about." But that was the message from the contemporaneous, 
   

[CTRL] The "Need to Know" Forum

[earthman]

 -Caveat Lector-

Wow, you would need to have a fully functional brain for this one..

Peter
The "Need to Know" Forum

Visit the website at www.need-to-know.org


Date: Nov 27 & 28/99

Location: Murray Fraser Hall, Rm 162, University of Calgary

Time: 9:00 a.m. till midnight both days

Cost:$100.00 at door or $80.00 in advance for 2 days

Inludes: Two 12 hr days of lectures plus Q&A period

Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 403-680-3356

TOPICS:

New World Order & Global Government
Vaccine safety and population control
AIDS, Ebola and other man-made plagues
Our current legal status "SLAVE"
Sovereign citizenship and private property
The International BAR Association
Canadian and U.S. constitutions
International Banking Cartel and the IMF
Secret Societies and their influences
New Agers, their occultic pagan origin and impact on society
Y2K, martial law, and North American Concentration Camps
End time prophecy study, the rapture and the great tribulation
Mind Control and government alphabet agencies(CIA, NSC etc)
Ecumenical movement and the coming One World Religion
SPECIAL GUEST LECTURERS

Dr. Len Horowitz - received his doctorate from Tufts University and was
awarded a fellowship in behavioral research at the University of Rochester.
Dr. Horowitz earned a master's degree in public health and behavioral
science from Harvard University. He also holds a master's degree in health
education from Beacon College. Dr. Horowitz's research points to the
likelihood that AIDS was a laboratory creation -- accidentally or
intentionally transmitted via tainted hepatitis and smallpox vaccines in the
United States and Africa.

Fritz Springmeier - author of many books on the New World Order including
Bloodlines of the Illuminati which in almost 600 pages discloses
mind-boggling facts and never before revealed truths about the top
Illuminati dynasties. Discover the amazing role these bloodlines have
played--and are now wielding--in human history, with family names such as
Astor, DuPont, Kennedy, Onassis, Rockefeller, Rothschild, Russell, Van Duyn,
and Krupp. Also author of THE ILLUMINATI FORMULA FOR UNDETECTABLE TOTAL MIND
CONTROL SLAVE: VOL II
David Bay - president of the Cutting Edge Ministry heralding over the
internet the current fulfillment of end time prophesy. Has studied and
warned of the New World Order's thrust to establish a global government
dictatorship with its fulfillment of scripture regarding the endtimes.
Extensively lectured on the satanic roots of the New Age movement and its
impact on society and the rampant apostasy in the modern church.

David Gould - expert in the field of common law and the U.S. constitution.
Documents the admiralty jurisdiction which rules in the U.S. and Canada
which makes us subject to the crown of England. Thoroughly outlines the far
reaching tentacles of the international BAR association and its subjugation
to the crown as well.

Websites of lecturers:

Dr. Len Horowitz http://www.tetrahedron.org

David Bay http://www.cuttingedge.org

David Gould http://supremelaw.com/authors/gould/index.htm

Fritz Springmeier http://www.texemarrs.com/bloodln.htm


We are about to go on a Journey. All Aboard
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[CTRL] Public Choice theory

[lloyd]

 -Caveat Lector-

..

Forwarded from the New Paradigms Project [Not Necessarily Endorsed]:
From: Taylor, John (JH) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Public Choice theory
Date: Wednesday, November 17, 1999 2:21 AM



>From another list


Public Choice theory is an application of the methods of economics
to the political process. In the economy, businessmen aim to
maximize profits and consumers the satisfaction from their
purchases. Similarly, in politics, politicians aim to maximize
their votes and citizens (esp. as organized into pressure groups)
their returns from the public fisc. Businessmen may indeed
sometimes profess to serve the public rather than themselves, but
these professions are not taken seriously. Politicians used to get
away with their professions to serve the "public interest," but
gradually, starting with the great classics of Public Choice
theory^, the pretensions of politicians has been undermined, an
undermining that is still going on some forty years later.

  ^Anthony Downs, _An Economic Theory of Democracy_ (New York:
  Harper and Row, 1957), James M. Buchanan and Gordon Tullock,
  _The Calculus of Consent: Logical Foundations of Constitutional
  Democracy_ (Ann Arbor: University of Michigan Press, 1962), and
  Mancur Olson, Jr., _The Logic of Collective Action_ (Ha'va'd
  UP, 1967).

But forty years is not a long time in the overall scheme of
things, and it will be a while still before the citizens come to
realize that the political process is largely about who extracts
what from whom rather than a system that promotes some higher
"transcendental common bliss," as Buchanan put it. As the
conceptual revolution of Public Choice theory proceeds apace, we
will hear fewer *complaints* that such and such laws fail to serve
the "public interest" and more calls for a fundamental reform in
the constitution to reign in the ability of pressure groups to
extract their rents. The Founding Fathers set up a remarkably good
constitution in 1789 to control pressure groups by restricting the
unlimited rule by simple majorities, but even this system was
corrected by the constitution of the Confederate States of America
in 1861, which added line-item veto, a six-year, one-term limit
for the president, the specific right of secession, and others.
Since that time, the ability of pressure groups to get organized
has grown leaps and bounds, with the result that restoring the
original balance of the constitution of 1789 would require,
perhaps, a five-sixths majority requirement for Federal
legislation.

I could go on at length here, but I just want to point out that
carrying the discussion up to the constitutional level obliterates
discussion of whether a given law serves the public interest,
since the Public Choice perspective is that laws primarily serve
the interests of those who lobby for them rather than the public
at large. It is no use to complain about such laws: as long as the
rules of the game are such that those who want such laws can
muster the required number of votes in the legislatures, the laws,
good or bad, will be enacted. What needs to be done is to change
the rules of the game, the constitution, so that it will be more
difficult for pressure groups to get their way. True, a certain
number of laws that I might want to see enacted may no longer
muster enough votes by politicians, but this is a price I am
willing to pay in order to limit the number of laws I don't want.
I can be impartial when doing my thinking at the constitutional
level, looking at all the laws, the good and the bad.

 Buchanan, whose free-market sympathies are
very great, has said that libertarians are just as bankrupt as the
socialists, in that both seek to implement their own version of
the truth rather than to consider a constitution that would serve
the actual wants of those under it. Government is to serve its
citizens not its libertarian or socialist intellectuals. Ethnic interests
 are neither good nor bad in themselves,
nor are any strategies they may adopt to serve their interests.
Their doings are merely part of the evolutionary *game*, just as
politicians voting for pork barrels are part of the political
game. Neither are doing anything bad, any more than basketball
players who get penalized for committing "fouls" are bad.

The time will come, then, when ethnnic groups pursuing their evolutionary
interests will seem no more remarkable, or objectionable, than
basketball players committing "fouls," or politicians voting for
pork barrel projects. Once this happens, it will seem no more
remarkable for a Gentile to be "antisemitic" than a Washington
Redskins fan to be "anti-Chicago-Bulls" or a Republican to be
"anti" a Democratic proposal to expand a welfare program. Cries of
"foul!" will make sense only when the rules of the game are
violate

Re: [CTRL] JFK MURDER SOLVED - The truth after 35 years . . .

[Thomas, Kenneth F.]

 -Caveat Lector-

> a secret service agent is seen sternly direcing her
> to get back in it.

This agent is named Clint Hill, btw. He and Jackie later had an affair,
according to author Edward Klein.

> the limo driver seems to have been inordinately slow in deciding to get
>their collective asses out of there,

This is also established by the brake lights coming on.

>  Besides, if the driver DID shoot, why didn't Jackie or either of the
>  Connallys notice it?

Who was it that testified in the trial that Connally said, as the shots
were being fired, "My God!  They're going to kill us ALL!"

...as opposed to just the one guy who had been set up to be shot. (The quote
is actually from William Manchester's book, The Death of a President.)

kt

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[CTRL] Voting Online

[J FROST]

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Voting on line with out a computer...

Have you ever used a fax retrieval system?

Right now it is possible to vote electronically with out a computer.

1)  Everyone must vote in the area where they are registered.

2)  This is a local call where ever.

3)  When you called in, you could have a voter id number
  so the system prompts you for your pen number

4)  Before you ever entered your number, the voting do-dad
  already used caller id to varify the phone call came from
 your residents.

This allows registered voters of the same family do their thing.

Just like the maze you go through in a fax retrieval system, anyone
with a touch tone could vote from home

ET  vote from home.

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Re: [CTRL] Slave Documentation - H.H.

[Sno0wl]

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On 14 Jan 99, , Hawk wrote:

>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> >  -Caveat Lector-
> >
> > Howdy Hypocrite,
>
> Good morning... Having a nice day?
>
> > Whatsa matter, ain't got time to reply to my queries?
>
> I haven't seen any Is it something you sent today?
>
> > So, pray tell, what are the "proper hermaneutical procedures"? Are they
> > consistent?
>
> "Hermaneutics" is the art or science of "interpretation" primarily of written
> documents, and is usually applied to biblical interpretation.  However, the
> "rules" are common in literature and historical/archealogical fields, and are not
> restricted to bible study.  Check this site:
> http://www.greatnorthern.net/~ken/herm.html

Congratulations, Hawk!

You have made it to my Filter-Delete list.

I have absolutely no idea what you are doing here. I have absolutely no idea what
you're trying to say to people on this list that has any value.. And until something
convinces me otherwise, I want to save the bandwith.

IMO, Kris is making a mistake trying to "argue" with you. I'm sorry to see that. You
are clearly a no-win kinda guy.

Enjoy your Mercedes. Have a nice day.





sno0wl

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Re: [CTRL] Mr. Blackwell

[Sno0wl]

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On 14 Jan 99, , YnrChyldzWyld wrote:

> But now that Lewinsky is coming off as 'a good girl', e.g. she's kept her
> mouth shut and hasn't been running off to the tabloids to tell her story,

I don't think she can do that until the trial is over. Can she?
sno0wl

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Re: [CTRL] Calif.: $10 MM Fluoridation Grant

[Sno0wl]

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On 15 Jan 99, , Lyn wrote:

>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> California Headlines Friday January 15 6:44 AM ET
>
> Grant To Help Fluoridate Water - (SACRAMENTO) -- An endowment supported by
> the dental community has donated ten-Million-dollars to help California
> cities add fluoride to their water supplies. The grant from the California
> Endowment will help buy equipment and materials for cities that plan to
> fluoridate their drinking water. State health officials say only 17-percent
> of the state's drinking water is fluoridated to protect citizens from tooth
> decay.


There was a segment on one of the "magazine" shows warning parents that, if their
children were drinking bottled water, they weren't getting flouride.Telling them to 
check
the labels and --of course--pressuring the bottled water folks to put flouride in 
bottled
water, too!!  Why do they think folks are drinking bottled water
sno0wl

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Re: [CTRL] JFK MURDER SOLVED - The truth after 35 years . . .

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>
>  The father, quite understandably, thru his son to the ground on first
>  hearing the shots, and placed himself over his son's body to protect the
>  kid...so other than the initial shot, he didn't SEE much of anything
>  else...but he DID testify to a bullet or bullets hitting the curb by him,
>  which throws the whole Warren Commission scenario out the window...
The folks I am talking about were not on the ground when the second shot
occured.


>  >secret service agents were calm throughout.  When Jackie is seen to be
> making
>  >a break for it, a secret service agent is seen sternly direcing her to get
>  >back in it.
>
>  Jackie was NOT 'making a break for it'...according to her own account,
>  she climbed out onto the back of the limo to retrieve a sizeable portion
>  of her husband's brain,

Even in the commonly seen version she can be seen ON THE TRUNK OF THE LIMO.

>  The secret service agent from the rear car jumped onto the trunk of the
>  limo just as Jackie was gathering up Jack's brains and bits of skull,
>  ostensibly in an attempt to protect the occupants (one would presume
>  Jackie in particular)...nothing ostensibly ominous about it...

I am referring to an incident when Jackie was on THE BACK OF THE LIMO and the
secret service agent I saw very visibly pointed to the seat at which point
Jackie is seen to make her way back to her seat.  You seem to be talking of
another segment, probably the one you were afforded the opportunity to see at
all.  Incidentally, is Jackie going to go by any other than the official
account when it is the highest police body in the country that she can see is
part of this?  Just who is she going to go to?  I imagine words like, "If you
do as we tell you, your kids get to be ambassadors, senators..."

>
>
>  >Was the limo really deemed the safest place for her, given the
>  >fact that the shots were all being directed at it?
>
>  Why not?  What was she supposed to do, jump out onto the street and
>  become a STANDING target?
>
>
>  >Go ahead folks.  Bring it on.  Start with character assination and name
>  >calling and attempts at discrediting.
>
>  No need for all that.
>
>  While I admit that there's a big question as to why the limo driver seems
>  to have been inordinately slow in deciding to get their collective asses
>  out of there, THAT is as far as I will go in granting the driver may have
>  been part of the conspiracy...I feel there were enough professional
>  assassins in the crowd, they didn't need the driver to blatantly shoot
>  JFK in the open like that...
>
>  Besides, if the driver DID shoot, why didn't Jackie or either of the
>  Connallys notice it?

Who was it that testified in the trial that Connally said, as the shots were
being fired, "My God!  They're going to kill us ALL!"

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[CTRL] THE CYBORG PROFESSOR

[earthman]

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 Well, Look on the bright side.. we won't need to go to school soon..

Peter

THE CYBORG PROFESSOR
 http://www.beyond2000.com/guest_star/guest_star.html

 Beyond 2000 (online)
 "your window on the future"
 November 19, 1999

 Professor Kevin Warwick of the University of Reading in the UK made
 headlines last year when he took the drastic step of having a computer chip
 implanted into his body. The chip was part of an experiment to see how such
 'wetware' could interact with an 'intelligent building'.

 The scene of the experiment was Professor Warwick's workplace: the
 university's Department of Cybernetics. The building had been wired to
 detect the presence of the implant; essentially just a tiny smartcard. When
 Warwick arrived in the morning the doors would even open automatically for
 him and call a cheerful greeting.

 One ambition of such research is to design buildings able to locate a
person
 and then personalise the environment for that particular individual, for
 instance to divert phone calls to the nearest extension or to adjust the
 heating and lighting levels to a pre-determined preference or perhaps
 display an appropriate screen at an information point. The lattice of nodes
 could also be used to support navigation services in large buildings.

 The chip was removed from Professor Warwick after a few days, purely for
 medical safety reasons. He's already planning more experiments though, with
 the ultimate goal of wiring implants directly into the human nervous
system.

 But is Professor Warwick's vision of the future a utopia or a nightmare?
 That depends how much privacy you like



 Beyond 2000: Cyborgs in science fiction often have an evil connotation but
 you're looking at it just as a more general interaction between humans and
 machines.

 Kevin Warwick: I think I'm really looking at it in terms of how machinery
 can enhance or help what humans can do normally.

 B2K: Now tell us about what you had implanted.

 KW: Well I had a silicon chip transponder implanted in my left arm, just
 above the elbow and lying against the muscle. It was in there for about 9
 days.

 B2K: Many would ask the question "Why?"

 KW: I did it as part of a research programme...The main emphasis was
looking
 to the future and the possibility of connecting up to the human nervous
 system and interacting with technology that way.

 B2K: Were you scared?

 KW: I've never had an implant of any kind before so it was scary at
 first...but I wanted to do it. It was something I had to find out what it
 was actually like.

 B2K: What did it feel like while it was in your arm?

 KW: The first couple of days it was a little bit uncomfortable, but after
 that I didn't really notice it was there physically...but mentally it was
 quite a surprise; that because the implant was interacting with the
computer
 in the building and for all intents and purposes the implant was part of me
 after a couple of days, I accepted it. Mentally I had a link with the
 computer, an affinity that I hadn't expected.

 B2K: How did that affinity make you feel?

 KW: Well it made me feel quite strong, quite powerful because I had this
 computer that was doing all sorts of wonderful things...I just had to move
 around near it. But also I realised the potential there, that when you link
 humans and technology together the possibilities are enormous. Just by
being
 in the vicinity of a machine the interaction could give you tremendous
 powers...super-human powers.

 B2K: What did you learn from the trial?

 KW: The experiment was a tremendous success. Technically it worked very
 well; the implant was picked up by the building all the time and over a
good
 distance. The main thing I learnt though was in looking to the future. The
 possibilities are tremendous and it really opened up my eyes to what might
 be possible around the corner.

 B2K: Where do you see this research leading us?

 KW: When we look to connecting an implant such as I had up to the human
 nervous system it opens up a whole different spectrum. Then we can look at
 getting movements...with arm movements you're sending a signal from your
 brain to your fingers and telling them to move. Those signals can be picked
 up and transmitted to a computer to make the computer move. We can learn
 essentially to interact with computers without the need for a keyboard or a
 mouse. To interface with computers we won't need the old-fashioned,
 mechanical arm movements or even voice input, it will be straight from the
 nervous system and ultimately the brain, straight into the computer.

 B2K: To get to where you're talking about do we have to have a direct
 connection between a chip and a nerve or are there other ways of thinking
 about this?

 KW: One can pick up some signals from the nervous system from the outside
by
 connecting electrodes or sensorsSome research is going on in that area.
 But connecting up directly to the nervous system, which technically is no
 t

[CTRL] [VotingOnline] What will Voting Online do to the NYSE? (fwd)

[Franklin Wayne Poley]

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-- Forwarded message --
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 15:19:22 -0800 (PST)
From: Franklin Wayne Poley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: [VotingOnline] What will Voting Online do to the NYSE?

From: Franklin Wayne Poley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Consider that a typical situation in a broadly held "public" corporation
is that a few individuals holding a small percentage of stock "run the
show". For example if each of three individuals holds 3% of the stock then
they run the company if the average small shareholder holds only 1% of 1%
and they don't get organized. They might as well have no vote.
   The imminent ubiquitous internet changes all that. The small
shareholders can easily organize and I think we will see big changes in
who runs the big companies on the stock exchanges and how they are run.
FWP.



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[CTRL] Tyranny, Canadian Style

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from:
http://www.zolatimes.com/V3.3/pageone.html
http://www.zolatimes.com/V3.3/pageone.html">Laissez Faire City Times
- Volume 3 Issue 3
The Laissez Faire City Times
January 18, 1999 - Volume 3, Issue 3
Editor & Chief: Emile Zola
-
Tyranny, Canadian Style

by Peter Topolewski




During one of the events at the 1997 APEC meeting in Vancouver, BC,
"protestors" gathered along a procession route to hoist signs decrying
then Indonesian leader Suharto’s abuses of power. Publicly displaying
disapproval and calling for change is, in Canada, generally considered a
right. This particular display, however, Surharto never saw. The Royal
Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) arrived, under the auspices of removing a
security threat, to disperse the protesters. With little warning the
RCMP opened up industrial-sized pepper spray canisters on the crowd.
Clubs and strip searches followed.

Peaceful Canadians exercising their right to free speech: the protestors
and the public felt the RCMP treated them with excessive force. After
more than 40 public complaints were filed, an inquiry was convened to
determine whether the RCMP had acted rightly or wrongly. But the
question the RCMP tactics imply, and which is not being officially
asked, is did Prime Minister Jean Chretien order the crackdown? Many
suspect he did exactly that to fulfill a promise to protect Suharto’s
sensitive self esteem. If Chretien ordered the crackdown he explicitly
violated Canadian rights and freedoms and his time as PM should be at an
end. His government’s tactics during the RCMP inquiry, and the
controversy in which the inquiry has been mired since day one, indeed
suggest that Chretien was the triggerman. But to this day he looks
infallible: arcane procedure, diffuse comments, and a professional
aloofness have kept him far removed from, and largely indifferent to,
the wrongdoings of APEC 1997.

While around the world the Prime Minister’s Office is not generally
considered a pinnacle of power, it does by virtue of the structure of
Canada’s government enjoy a somewhat unchecked authority. Whereas
Clinton may be threatened by Republicans and by his own party for his
unholy dalliance with Monica Lewinsky, Chretien announces, and his
Liberal party pursues, whatever legislation his Cabinet proposes his
party vote for. It’s that--or they’re out in the cold. Chretien is
particularly deft letting his Cabinet ministers take total heat for
contentious issues and legislation, as though he is the delusional
leader mothballed away in the ruler’s palace, oblivious to the
underlings’ rule. Health Minister Alan Rock has borne the brunt of
public outcry over numerous scandals and a tainted blood supply, and
Finance Minister Paul Martin continues today to battle fallout from the
fudged bookkeeping that has allowed Chretien to claim Canada’s first
budget surplus in decades. It is this power system, and Canada’s cryptic
procedures of justice, that look to keep the truth of Chretien’s role in
APEC ’97 hidden, and perhaps the question of his innocence or guilt from
even being raised. In this light the PM’s rule in Canada looks like a
nightmare of the bureaucratic kind--oppression made civilized.

The Inquiry

The shenanigans begin with that most Canadian of procedures, the
toothless independent public inquiry. It was clear from the start that
the whole exercise was half serious and half for show. The inquiry was
lead by the RCMP’s Public Complaints Commission: its mandate, to look
into the RCMP’s use of force towards protestors at APEC ’97. With the
PM’s culpability removed at the outset, lawyers, protestors, and the
RCMP began the tedious, and for all intents and purposes useless, task
of recreating in minutiae for the inquiry panel the events that lead to
violent confrontation. From there it got weirder.

The pepper spraying took place along a route to an APEC event at the
University of British Columbia. UBC is not known for its social
activism, but it is a university and the students there managed to
muster the requisite protestors to fulfill the idealist image. Early in
the inquiry each side debated about the physical details and
measurements of the entourage route, the placement of barricades, the
off-limits zones, the position of the police, and the placement of
anti-Suharto signs. These signs, the RCMP stated without flinching,
posed a security threat – how exactly, they never answered
satisfactorily; but if justice was to be served, determining the precise
location of the signs was of supreme importance. Much hair-splitting,
video tape, and crude map-making followed. Not long into the inquiry for
truth, however, trouble arose.

The students’ lawyers told the inquiry panel that they could not
continue to work unless they were paid. Students claimed the inquiry was
over (and therefore justice denied) if their legal fees were not paid by
the government. Typically in such affairs government is the source of
legal funding, but Chretien’s government (tho

[CTRL] Is It Time to Sell Onions on the Internet?

[RoadsEnd]

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from:
http://www.zolatimes.com/V3.3/pageone.html
http://www.zolatimes.com/V3.3/pageone.html">Laissez Faire City Times
- Volume 3 Issue 3
The Laissez Faire City Times
January 18, 1999 - Volume 3, Issue 3
Editor & Chief: Emile Zola
-
Is It Time to Sell Onions on the Internet?

by Brad Lips


Amid the various traditions of December — hanging stockings, spinning
dradels, and disposing of unwanted fruitcakes — something new occurred
during the holiday season of 1998: Internet commerce came of age. Boston
Consulting Group reports that online sales from Thanksgiving to
Christmas more than tripled from prior-year levels. America Online said
its 15 million accounts alone were responsible for $1.2 billion in
Internet holiday sales.

Such numbers may well pique the interest of Washington's policy-makers,
who are always attentive to new sources of revenue or new opportunities
to expand their regulatory scope. So it is worth investigating how life
is evolving out on the digital frontier and whether government
bureaucrats will be able to justify any change to the present "hands
off" policy.

To date, the most successful Internet retailers are operating on
business models that are fairly similar to traditional mail order
companies, but with more informative presentations, faster feedback and
delivery, and often steeper discounts. There are, however, other booming
services, which could never have developed outside of cyberspace and
this is where things get interesting.

A company called eBay, for instance, conducts online auctions by
matching sellers with potential buyers who bid on collectibles — from
rare coins to Beanie Babies — over a period of days. To a first-time
user, the potential for fraud may seem high, given the relative
anonymity of participants in these transactions.

One can imagine regulators will want to safeguard the public by
establishing standards of conduct, requiring licenses for online
trading, or using any of their regular tricks to bring conformity to an
evolving marketplace. But users of eBay would find this kind of
regulatory red tape irrelevant. They create order in this trading
universe on their own, by shaming users who fail to deliver goods
satisfactorily and by praising those who exceed expectations.

A buyer on eBay called Sorny says of his transaction with seller Diamon:
"Item well packaged and arrived in good time. Good to do business with."
Other sellers were tarred with criticisms, such as "Product not as
described. Junk. Over 30 days in shipping. Beware!" These comments are
complimented by a "feedback score" which quantifies the number of happy
vs. unhappy customers of a particular buyer, so new users can gauge
whether or not they want to do business with a particular individual.

The feedback mechanisms of eBay show how markets can be self-regulating.
This is particularly true on the Internet where the costs of collecting
and distributing information are essentially nil. Not only are
government agencies unnecessary to these processes, they could have the
unintended effect of undermining the existing rules with which current
users voluntarily comply.

Stepping outside of cyberspace and into the arena of premium produce, we
find a real-world example of how a regulatory body that is supposed to
serve consumers can wind up operating to their detriment. Onions grown
in Vidalia, Georgia, are known for their unusual sweetness, which
scientists attribute to the area's low-sulfur soil and mild winters. In
1988, in order to protect the Vidalia name from abuse by imposters,
Georgia's State Legislature mandated that only onions grown within a
20-county region could legally represent themselves as Vidalia onions.
One problem: some onion farms within these boundaries have higher sulfur
levels than others and produce onions that are rather unspectacular. As
a result, consumers have no guarantee that a purchase of Vidalia onions
would be blessed with Vidalia sweetness.

An entrepreneur named David Burrell sought to remedy this situation. He
developed a system to measure the sulfur content of an onion and use
Global Positioning Satellite technology to predict the sulfur content of
the rest of a crop. Burrell could therefore separate the good from the
merely ordinary and put a label on it: "Certified Extra Sweet by Vidalia
Labs Inc." Once it became apparent that supermarkets would pay a premium
for Burrell-approved onions, farmers who peddle not-so-sweet onions
became alarmed and turned to the government to intervene. A legal suit
followed and a state judge issued a order to stop Burrell from testing
onions for the remainder of the harvest season. The Wall Street Journal
 has reported that Georgia's agricultural commissioner Tommy Irvin
promised to stop Burrell from testing onions ever again. His explanation
— "A sweet Vidalia onion is a sweet Vidalia onion. We don't need a test
to tell us what we already know for a fact." — is a quintessential
example of paternal government. Ir

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Antichrist a Jew, Says Falwell

[Franklin Wayne Poley]

 -Caveat Lector-

By golly, Danno, the whole world IS Jewish. Both Christ and Antichrist are
Jews. Then there are ziggurats
FWP.

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[CTRL] The End of Laissez Faire?

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from:
http://www.zolatimes.com/V3.3/pageone.html
http://www.zolatimes.com/V3.3/pageone.html">Laissez Faire City Times
- Volume 3 Issue 3
The Laissez Faire City Times
January 18, 1999 - Volume 3, Issue 3
Editor & Chief: Emile Zola
-
The End of Laissez Faire?

by Wolf DeVoon


Last September, as global financial markets were crashing, the economics
editor of The London Times, Anatole Kaletsky, noted with approval the
soothing words of Alan Greenspan, which created a temporary stock market
rally. "[C]apitalism can prosper only with the support of sound
government," Kaletsky declared, and went on to say that capitalism would
survive global crisis, but "free-market fundamentalism won't" (Anatole
Kaletsky, "Farewell Laisser-faire," The Sunday Times, Sept. 10, 1998).

Now first let me note that Anatole Kaletsky is a sober, well-informed,
intelligent man. I've often admired his ability to brush aside all the
transparent hoopla of governments and brokers, identifying long-term
trends and economic principles that matter most. His writing style is
crisp and lucid. I wish there were more editorial page writers with
Kaletsky's commitment to reason, clarity, courage and objectivity. In
truth, I envy the man. He richly deserves the position of privilege and
public trust conferred by The London Times. On those many occasions when
I've said that better minds should do the work of defending human
rights, it was Anatole Kaletsky's class of cranium I specifically hoped
to invoke as the powerful champion I know I am not.

All that said, when Kaletsky is wrong, he is terrifyingly wrong.

Analyzing the uptick in global share prices immediately after Alan
Greenspan's evasive, carefully-worded intimation that the Federal
Reserve would inject additional liquidity this year, Kaletsky argued
that the Wall Street response to Greenspan's hint of lower interest
rates and easy money "implies a recognition that capitalism can prosper
only with the support of sound government -- that political institutions
have a legitimate and indispensable role in managing the capitalist
system."

Bloody hell. With friends like that, markets need no gravedigger.
Whether he came to praise capitalism or to bury it, Kaletsky implicitly
justified fascism, especially the "sound government" variety pioneered
by Adolph Hitler, Ferdinand Marcos, Idi Amin, General Soharto, and every
tinpot demogogue who ever held his hand out for soft loans backed by the
IMF or U.S. tax dollars. Unbelievably, Kaletsky goes on to say that
free-market theory "is now in full retreat" and that economic direction
by government is "the consequence of an historical conjuncture...
ranging from Roosevelt in the United States to such less savory economic
heroes as Hjalmar Schacht, the president of Hitler's central bank." If
it was foolish for a State Department policy wonk (Francis Fukuyama) to
proclaim the End of History as a victory for capitalism, Kaletsky has
cobbled something infinitely worse: the End of History as the rationing
of freedom.

Lenin was quoted exactly so: "Liberty is precious, so precious it has to
be rationed" -- and there is little ambiguity in Kaletsky's version of
the statist creed. He insists that there has been a global paradigm
shift; we cannot rely on market forces; the necessary role of government
is to stabilize and manage macro- economic demand on an ad hoc,
pragmatic basis: "How exactly governments do this -- through interest
rates, taxes, currency management or whatever -- depends on
ever-changing conditions. But the fact that capitalism requires some
degree of external management is impossible to dispute," Kaletsky
sniffs.

Oh, yeah?

I'm a simple tradesman, so I'm going to dispute it in parables, not
paradigms. "Capital" means capital plant and equipment. When it's time
to cut a bar of steel in half or punch a tunnel through a mountain, all
the haircuts, sovereign debts, central bankers, and newspaper columns in
the world ain't gonna do it. Long before your paper banknotes and
derivatives can be swapped, some jerk like me has to pick up a capital
hammer and hit a capital nail accurately on its head to get the job
done. However decorative and amusing Disney movies, tourists, sportsmen
and priests purport to be, in reality consumption contributes nothing to
the work of production. Whether the capital in question is a paintbrush,
or a petrochemical plant, or an oil rig, or the pipe-welding robots and
steel mills that make it possible to exploit a naturally inaccessible,
dangerous, useless raw muck, the productive power of tangible investment
in the form of industrial plant and equipment is the literal (and
largely forgotten) basis of capitalism.

I know this seems distant from Kaletsky's thesis -- that central bankers
and sovereign fiscal policy exert a beneficial and stabilizing influence
upon otherwise chaotic "capitalist" markets. However, I ain't quite
done, yet. Before you can have a market, you need goods. Pieces of paper
and tax

[CTRL] Odds & Ends & Year 2000

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from:
http://www.zolatimes.com/V3.3/pageone.html
http://www.zolatimes.com/V3.3/pageone.html">Laissez Faire City Times
- Volume 3 Issue 3
The Laissez Faire City Times
January 18, 1999 - Volume 3, Issue 3
Editor & Chief: Emile Zola
-
Odds & Ends & Year 2000

by Zola


Laissez Faire City TimesAsian correspondent, Richard Ehrlich, has taken
time off to act as a media consultant to Leonardo DiCaprio, who is
making a movie The Beach in Thailand. We couldn't think of a better
choice, given Richard's command of the language and the local scene. But
luckily he still had time to send us an article about an unusual shrine
on the grounds of the Hilton Hotel in Bangkok. As for Leonardo DiCaprio,
his most recent role was in the Titantic, a movie parable about the
unsinkable U.S. stock market.

The Dow went up on Friday by almost as many points as it went down on
Thursday, but on Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday the Dow sank also. It
was helped along by a little foreign exchange crisis in Brazil, where
the real sank against the dollar by about 10 percent. The Brazilian
stock market, the Bovespa, fell 5.05 percent this past Wednesday, and
9.97 percent on Thursday.



We decided to sit tight on our put. We might have sold it if Friday had
been a down day also, but it wasn’t. Some readers were warning us to get
out, because Clinton is going to announce a bribe to Wall Street in his
State of the Union speech on Tuesday. "Washington, Jan. 13 (Bloomberg)
-- President Bill Clinton may use next week's State of the Union address
to suggest expanding 401(k) programs for low-income workers and to lay
the groundwork for investing a small portion of the Social Security
trust fund in financial markets, two White House aides close to the
discussions said."



Who knows if Wall Street will take the bait—we already know they can’t
calculate. But low-income workers contributing to 401(k) programs isn’t
going to generate much cash. As for investing the Social Security trust
fund in the stock market—what a joke! There isn’t any trust fund! Social
Security is a pay-as-you-go system, and there is temporarily a cash flow
surplus on a year-to-year basis (i.e. money coming in this year is
bigger than money going out). We’re not talking about a lot of surplus
cash in the first place, so a "small portion" of it funneled to Wall
Street won’t go far.



But the Dow will probably rally just from the sight of Clinton appearing
on TV. Clinton is Wall Street’s symbol of reality denial. But we’ll take
our chances, even though we have no doubt that Clinton will, as usual,
treat government revenue as his personal piggy bank. He’s also getting
ready to wag the dog again, treating the U.S. military as an adjunct to
his personal defense team. But all the anti-Impeachment bribes Clinton
has to offer can’t cover all the accidents waiting to happen to
financial markets. Our time horizon is March 18, not tomorrow.


Millennial Calculations




Speaking of dates, it’s annoying enough when people can’t get the end of
the century or the end of the millennium right. The Twentieth Century
ends on Dec. 31, 2000. The Twenty-First Century begins on Jan. 1, 2001.
The Third Millennium, according to the Gregorian calendar, also begins
on Jan. 1, 2001. The Third Millennium ends on Dec. 31, 3000. The latter
date will also be the last day of the Thirtieth Century.



But it’s more disturbing when people confuse the Y2K problem with
Gregorian date calculations, and then compound this with totally
irrelevant allusions to the year Jesus was born. The latest inanity
along this line I came across said, in effect, "the millennium really
began on Jan. 1, 1995, because Jesus was born 4 B.C." Assuming the
statement has any meaning whatsoever, the calculation is off by a good 2
years, and realistically by 2   years.



Let’s sort through this nonsense. I first went through these types of
calculations long ago in theology class. But it’s not a matter of
theology, it’s a matter of simple arithmetic. Dagny Deb in her excellent
article on calendars vs. computer time, Year 2000: What is Time?,
already covered the basics. But let me take a stab at it also.



It is not surprising that many associate the Y2K problem with
apocalyptic prophecy. After all, we have those in the money-making
Apocalypse Business like Gary North (see Declan McCullagh’s There's
Something About Gary) who once assured us that there would be a nuclear
war with Russia, and then that we would run out of hospital beds by 1992
because of AIDS. He now parades Y2K as the latest gimmick to market his
survival tools, and given his previous history it’s no wonder people
associate Y2K with the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse. But he’s not the
only culprit: in England, a number of ministers are interpreting Y2K as
God’s punishment. (For electing fascist Tony Blair, presumably.)



Let’s get some things straight. "Millennium" simply means a 1000 years.
That’s all. You can start a millennium any day you want to, 

Re: [CTRL] JFK MURDER SOLVED - The truth after 35 years . . .

[Jim Norman]

 -Caveat Lector-

Agent Smiley wrote:

>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> In a message dated 1/17/99 10:20:40 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> writes:
>
> > I don't get it. How could the driver shoot the president without anyone
> > seeing
> >  him? Did I read this correctly, or did I misinterpret what you wrote?
> >  Please clarify, this is very interesting. Thanks-JOHN
> >
> In every mainstream airing I have seen of the famous second shot, a zoom is
> shown and NOT the broader view.  Only once have I seen this film outside the
> mainstream media and here the whole view was visible.  Incidentally, from what
> I have heard, the 3 or 4 individuals actually standing near enough to see this
> are no longer alive.
>
> The gun rested on the driver's shoulder and at the fatal moment, it was only
> slightly lifted and aimed.  A second or two prior to this, the secret service
> agent that sat in the passenger seat is seen to look calmly back at the
> president, who had already been shot once, and calmly turn back around
> speaking something to the driver.  Within a second, the driver lifts his gun
> from his right shoulder, where it had been held by his left hand while his
> left arm lay cross ways across his chest.  There was very little movement on
> his part.  When the president is being shot at, anyone looking for any sense
> of what in the hell is going on would be searching the crowd for a gunman or
> looking at the president to see if he is alright.  They are unlikely to notice
> the DRIVER lifting his hand about four inches.  In this version of the film, a
> cloud of gas is seen being expelled from the barrel of the gun and at that
> exact instant Kennedy's face is removed from his head.
>
> I suspect that when the agent in the passenger seat was speaking to the driver
> that he was giving the location of the president's head in relation to the
> driver.  Isn't it interesting that during the whole shooting spree, the driver
> never thought to push the pedal to the metal and get the hell out of there.
> Even without this key view that I speak of, it is obvious that all of the
> secret service agents were calm throughout.  When Jackie is seen to be making
> a break for it, a secret service agent is seen sternly direcing her to get
> back in it.  Was the limo really deemed the safest place for her, given the
> fact that the shots were all being directed at it?  It could be, IF the secret
> service already knew that the job had been completed.
>
> Go ahead folks.  Bring it on.  Start with character assination and name
> calling and attempts at discrediting.  I challenge all to tell me why I
> shouldn't report this here.  Incidentally, I backed this video up and
> forwarded it enough times to witness this about forty times.  Some time ago,
> someone sent me to a website that was supposed to let me know what really
> happened in response to an allusion that the driver was complicit and a
> murderer, a political assassin.  At this site, I saw an image of the very
> situation I here describe and I saw the gun.  Apparently, the photo was not
> intended.  I reported to the webmaster that that very photo contradicted his
> take on it and now the website no longer exists.  
>

Jim Norman:  Within hours of the reported shooting of Kennedy, a retired Naval
Intelligence officer, Nord Davis Jr. of Compton, S.C. flew to Dallas and began
retrieving evidence.  In a un-retouched photo (the copy of same that appeared in
Life was airbrushed according to Mr. Davis)
he clearly outlined a additional shooter, dressed in a black or dark knee length
coat, wearing a business man's hat.  He stood there with his hand outstretched in
a shooting position.  He is, in Mr. Davis's opinion, responsible for the shooting
death of the woman who walked in his line of fire and who's blood was sprayed on
the limousine's left side escort motorcycle officers, left side.  The significance
of the officer receiving blood splatters on his left side is that the only place
it could have come from is from the sidewalk area to the left of the limo.
Additionally, the right rear escort was killed with a series of shots to the head
and chest.  If you consider that the sidewalk shooter did fire at the limo, his
direct line of fire would explain this evidence.
In the Grand jury testimony, each witness described the shots NOT as a single
report as a bolt action rifle would give, but a multiple report sound similar to a
machine gun, or machine pistol.  when asked to describe the sound most witnesses
said "dat-dat-dat-dat-dat" or "da-da-da-daow"

When questioned as to whether this was an echo from the surrounding buildings,
each witness said no, the echo's came latter.
Mr. Davis produced a publication with not to clear photographs, but the man in the
knee length coat was clearly visible, as was the woman lying dead on the side
walk.  If you look at the life magazine front page, the woman is gone, except for
her pocket book that appears to be suspended in the air o

Re: [CTRL] Pinochet: 01-16

[Alamaine Ratliff]

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Here's a quick and dirty on the Brit Gov't.  Note this:  ""She is impartial
and acts only on the advice of her ministers.""


>From http://www.britannia.com/gov/gov4.html

THE BRITISH GOVERNMENT:
A Brief Overview
Information courtesy of The British Information Services


The System of Government
Britain is a parliamentary democracy with a constitutional monarch, Queen
Elizabeth II, as head of the State. The British constitution, unlike those
of most countries, is not set out in a single document. Instead it is made
up of a combination of laws and practices which are not legally
enforceable, but which are regarded as vital to the working of government.

The Monarchy
The stablility of the British government owes much to the monarchy. Its
continuity has been interrupted only once (the republic of 1649-60) in over
a thousand years.

Today the Queen is not only the head of State, but also an important symbol
of national unity. Her complete official royal title is 'Elizabeth the
Second, by the Grace of God of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and
Northern Ireland and of Her other Realms and Territories Queen, Head of the
Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith', but she is usually referred to as Her
Royal Highness or Queen Elizabeth.

According to the law the Queen is head of the executive branch of
the government, an integral part of the legislature, head of the judiciary,
the commander-in-chief of all the armed forces of the Crown and the
'supreme governor' of the established Church of England. While that sounds
like a lot of responsibility, the real power of the monarchy has been
steadily reduced over the years to the point where the Queen is uninvolved
in the day-to-day operation of the government. She is impartial and acts
only on the advice of her ministers.

The Queen, the Queen Mother, Prince Charles and the other members of the
royal family take part in traditional ceremonies, visit different parts of
Britain and many other countries and are closely involved in the work of
many charities.

Parliament
Parliament, Britain's legislature, is made up of the House of Commons, the
House of Lords and the Queen in her constitutional role.

The Commons has 651 elected Members of Parliament (MPs), who represent
local constituencies. The House of Lords is made up of 1,185 hereditary and
life peers and peeresses, and the two archbishops and the 24 most senior
bishops of the established Church of England.

The center of parliamentary power is the House of Commons. Limitations on
the power of the Lords (it rarely uses it power to delay passage of most
laws for a year) is based on the principle that the Lords, as a revising
chamber, should complement the Commons and not rival it. Once passed
through both Houses, legislation requires the Royal Assent to become law.

Parliament has a number of ways to exert control over the executive branch.
Parliamentary committees question ministers and civil servants before
preparing reports on matters of public policy and issues can be debated
before decisions are reached. However, ultimate power rests in the ability
of the House of Commons to force the government to resign by passing a
resolution of 'no confidence'. The government must also resign if the House
rejects a proposal so vital to its policy that it has made it a matter of
confidence. The proceedings of both Houses of Parliament are broadcast on
television and radio, sometimes live or more usually in recorded and edited
form.

General elections to choose MPs must be held at least every five years.
Voting, which is not compulsory, is by secret ballot and is from the age of
18. The simple majority system of voting is used. Candidates are elected if
they have more votes than any of the other candidates, although not
necessarily an absolute majority over all candidates.

Political Party System
The political party system is essential to the working of the constitution.
Although the parties are not registered or formally recognized in law, most
candidates for election belong to one of the main parties. Since 1945 eight
general elections have been won by the Conservative Party and six by the
Labour Party. A number of smaller parties have national and local
organizations outside Parliament, and are also represented in local
government.

The Government is formed by the party with majority support in the Commons.
The Queen appoints its leader as Prime Minister. As head of the Government
the Prime Minister appoints about 100 ministers. About 20 ministers make up
the Cabinet, the senior group making the major policy decisions. Ministers
are collectively responsible for government decisions and individually
responsible for their own departments. The second largest party forms the
official Opposition, with its own leader and 'shadow cabinet'. The
Opposition has a duty to challenge government policies and to present an
alternative program.

Policies are carried out by government departments and executive agencies
staffed

[CTRL] Revelations 3

[earthman]

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You decide for yourself..

Peter

In a message dated 11/17/1999 10:49:03 AM, Neal wrote:

>Have you heard of Simon Peter Fuller?  He claims that the third book of
>Revelation (which was suppressed) just showed up on his computer one day.
>He claims it was sent to him to be revealed to the world.  Would love to
>here what you think.
>
>Here it is:  http://globalvisions.org/cl/wwv/revel3.html
>


We are about to go on a Journey. All Aboard
http://sites.netscape.net/gsussnzl/poleshift

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Re: [CTRL] Dear Congressman Hyde

[PRUDYL]

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In a message dated 1/17/99 9:29:47 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< you. It is important to believe the president because he is a important
 person. If you cannot believe the president
 who can you believe? If you have no one to believe in then how do you
 run your life? I do not believe the president
 tells the truth anymore right now. After he writes the essay and tells
 the truth I will believe him again. William
 Summers.

 Congressman Hyde: Then there's a "ps" from his dad.

 Dear Representative Hyde, I made my son, William, either write you a
 letter or an essay as a punishment for lying.
 Part of his defense for his lying was that the president lied. He's
 still having difficulty understanding why the
 president can lie and not be punished. >>

Gee, and did Daddy perhaps discuss Mr. Hyde writing a few thousand times
something like.  "Adultery is a sin, and I'm sorry I broke up a family"?
Prudy

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BREAD AND CIRCUSES * - Part 2

EUROPEAN MONETARY UNION
January 1, 1999, barely a month away, is euro day. We have insisted for the
last two years that the euro was so important to the international
socialist agenda that nothing would be allowed to stand in its way-not the
crash of Asian markets, the collapse of hedge funds, the failure of the
Russian banks, or the threat of impeachment of Bill Clinton. Consequently,
it was necessary for the Fed to pump huge amounts of liquidity into the US
market, all the while relying on administration "massaging" of economic
statistics to pretend that inflation was non-existent, while huge bailouts
were arranged to keep the global markets afloat a little longer.

The whole idea of the euro is to create a currency monopoly in Europe.
Without competing strong currencies, like the D-mark, EC bankers can
inflate at will without the embarrassment of declining foreign exchanges
rates-indeed, Continental foreign markets will simply be obsoleted by the
fixed exchange rates of national currencies with the euro at the beginning
of the year.

But, in ordering a fascist Europe (state directed private economic
activity), the socialist super-bureaucrats are faced with an immense
task-they must come to terms with rampant unemployment, for failure to do
so could surely trigger the early demise of European Monetary Union. But,
by extending thousands of new regulations on business, Brussels has thus
guaranteed both higher unemployment and the ultimate economic failure of
EMU. If there is anything that will save Europe from depression it must be
the abandonment of state strangleholds on business. All of this is further
complicated by the compulsion to admit former Soviet Bloc states into the
common market. Already, those states which had hoped to benefit from the
levelling process are being told that they must forego many of the economic
benefits of EC in order that funds may flow to their poorer neighbors in
the East. This is certain to fire resentment in Italy, Spain, Portugal,
Greece, and Ireland, whose support for EMU was based on their becoming the
primary beneficiaries thereof.

Make no mistake-EMU will be broadened to include the "former" communist
states in Europe because the underlying purpose of the whole scheme, while
couched in economic terms, is political-that is to say, it intends the
dominaton of nations and populations.

Meanwhile, Tony Blair, New Labour prime minister of Britain, is busily
dismantling the traditional English way of life by attacking the very
fundamentals of national sovereignty. On his hit list are the House of
Lords (and ultimately the Monarchy), the pensions of widows, the rights of
those on state aid to engage a lawyer, revisions to the National Health
Service and the pitifully few tax breaks for business which had contributed
to the rise of the economy and the restoration of English competitiveness
in Europe.

THE IMPACT ON AMERICA
While Americans rightfully worry about the impact on the dollar once the
euro arrives, the larger and more immediate question which no one seems to
be addressing is this: once the euro is a fait accompli, will the Fed
withdraw its intervention in the market, allowing the long overdue collapse
of our financial bubble to take place?

Consequently, our urgent message to readers is this: After January 1, 1999,
the risk of equity holdings, both in the United States and abroad, is
greatly increased-the prudent course of action being, as we have constantly
counseled, to sell at least 50% of equity positions by the first of the
year.

As for our foreign currency holders, since Brussels will fix the exchange
rates between the eleven EMU currencies with the euro on December 31, 1998,
you have less than one month to convert EMU currencies to non-EMU
currencies, particularly those longer term assets which could suffer most
by being denominated in euros, such as bonds, annuities, endowments, etc.

There is urgent reason to accomplish these prudent measures now. When the
"bread" runs out, the "circuses" will become deadly.

(conclusion)
  ___

* From THE HARD MONEY INVESTOR, December 1998 issue, Hal Bryan, Editor
   Published monthly: $39/yr   PO Box 11, Enumclaw, WA  98022
   Mr Bryan is an associate of Committee to Restore the Constitution
__

STATE LEGISLATIVE SOLUTION TO 'BOOM AND BUST' ECONOMY

In the present climate of economic emergency it appears that the greatest
stumbling block to acceptance of necessary data for financial survival, and
the conclusions which must be reached by the individual, is the feeling of
'unreality' which the truth holds for the very people who seek it.

The impending economic/political disaster is permitted its fantastic rate
of growth through no other factor as much as incredulity masked as apathy.
The resulting inaction of the people is

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Global Intelligence Update
Red Alert
January 18, 1999

Brazil's Message: Forget the Global, Think Local

Summary:

* The decision to float Brazil's real triggered widespread fears
that another phase in a global economic crisis is about to begin.
Having passed through rounds of the Asian and Russian crises,
there is a sense that Brazil's devaluation is part of a greater
threat to the international economic system. We do not see this
as a global problem, but rather as a series of regional problems.
By devaluing, Brazil is clearing the decks of an essentially
healthy economy. With this finally out of the way, the long-term
investment atmosphere in Brazil actually improves.  We not only
remain bullish on Latin America, but also are increasingly
convinced that to understand international economics forget the
global, think local.


Analysis:

The Brazilian decision to float the real shocked financial
markets around the world on Wednesday, triggering fears that
another round in the global crisis is about to begin.  There was
a sudden sense that the resilience the world economy had shown
since the summer might have been illusory, and that a cancer in
the global economy was still gnawing away at its innards.  For a
moment, it seemed that a legitimate panic was setting in.  By
Friday, a very different sensibility was in place.  The real had
fallen about 15 percent, which was not inconsiderable, but did
not represent a catastrophic implosion.  The Sao Paolo stock
market rose 33 percent in one day's trading, while most of the
world's markets, save some in Asia, also surged.  In a matter of
days, the world went from panic to confidence, with emotions
cycling as rapidly as markets.

The week's events were fascinating not only because of what they
told us about the resilience of the Brazilian economy in
particular and Latin American economies in general, but because
of what they told us about the global economy.  To be more
precise, the events in Brazil are telling us that we are not
living in a world of global economies that are of one fabric, but
of geographically differentiated, highly fragmented economies.
Put another way, it is not a small world after all and CNN has
not created a global village.  It is a very large and complex
world, and events in one part of the world may have very little
effect on things happening in other parts.

One of the foundations of the great fear of a global economic
meltdown is the feeling that the world economy is of a single
fabric and that whatever happens in one place immediately effects
things happening in other places.  This sense of global
vulnerability has created a psychology constantly on the verge of
panic.  Since at any moment something bad is happening somewhere
in the world, the global sensibility immediately generates a
sense of global vulnerability.  Thus, Brazil's problems (or
Russia's or Japan's or China's) are immediately seen as a
harbinger of global disaster.  There is a sense that there is an
intractable, global problem that simply cannot be solved and that
this represents a fundamental threat to the international
economic system. The proof: something is always going wrong
somewhere.

Now, in a peculiar contrarian sense, this is all to the good.
The hysteria of the month helps to deflate markets periodically
and keeps investors on their toes.  For this reason, we hesitate
to debunk it, especially since it provides excellent buying
opportunities.  However, there is, strictly speaking, no global
financial problem. Rather, there are a series of regional
problems, which, while they do influence each other, do not flow
from the same cause, cannot be solved by any single means, and do
not affect each other nearly as much as people believe.  Things
may well be terrible in some parts of the world, but that does
not mean that the world as a whole is on the brink of
catastrophe.

There are three regional crises:

* Asia: a crisis developing over the long-term, rooted in public
policies deliberately designed to prevent recessions, that has
permitted massive, systemic inefficiency and unacceptably low
rates of return on capital to undermine the long-term viability
of the region's economies.  The problem is particularly severe in
Japan, which is among the few major markets to have declined
since September.  Japan's problems are deep, intractable and
probably insoluble without a political smash-up.  Nevertheless,
Japan and Asia's problems have had minimal impact on the U.S. and
Europe until now, and we see no reason why it should have a
greater effect in 1999 than it did in previous years.

* Russia: the inability of the Russian and other economies of the
former Soviet Union to convert from a command to a market
economy. Essentially, the cost of re-capitalizing 

[CTRL] DEA Assassins Hit Viet Vet Rad/ Inside the CIA's Miami Training Camps

[RoadsEnd]

 -Caveat Lector-

an excerpt from:
Blacklisted News, Secret History . . . From Chicago, '68, to 1984
©1983 Youth International Party Information Service
Bleecker Publishing
POB 392
Canal St. Station
New York, NY 10012
ISBN 0-912873-00-0
-
Old news, but the cryptocracys' tactics don't change much.
Om
K
-

If they really wanted to get you, all the denials by DEA officials that
domestically they were engaged in the equivalent of CIA assassinations of
foreign leaders or revolutionaries would do you little good . . .

DEA Assassins Hit Viet Vet Rad

Scott Camil was shot in the back by a federal Drug Enforcement Administration
assassin named Dennis Fitzgerald—"accidentally," according to agents
Fitzgerald and William Porter, whose car he was struggling to get out of at
the time,

Porter and Fitzgerald, posing as coke dealers starting a straight business
front, had first approached Camil to buy some business cards from his family
office supply company.

Because Camil lived, it became necessary to charge him with "sale of
cocaine"—2.5 ounces allegedly left with Camil by a mysteriously unidentified
hitch-hiker whom agents claim to have let leave the car unscathed before the
shooting. Other agents "found" $2300 after hanging around Camil's house for 5
hours.

It was not the first time he was targeted by the government. Camil served 20
months with the marines in Vietnam and came home thoroughly disillusioned with
U.S. policy. One of the original coordinators of Vietnam Veterans Against the
War, he was a target in Florida when 8 vets were indicted in July of '72 for
plotting to assault the 1972 Republican convention with slingshots and bows
and arrows. These charges were finally thrown out of court.

After checking out this interview Scott allowed that, while there's nothing
he'd rather leave unsaid, we should make it clear that our interviewer took
the initiative in drawing out details of the historical development of the
VVAW.

He's very guarded in meeting and talking to people now. D.E.A. informer
Barbara Bastile Ives, paid by the government to fuck Camil, said "Yeah, we set
him up. That's our job."

ON HIS BUST

Q. What do you think of the parallel of your case and Tim Leary's: DEA use of
a government prostitute?

A. It makes it really hard-it really does. I mean, you meet someone, they seem
really nice. You become close to them, and they start spending weekends with
you. Then they introduce you to a "close friend," the dude shoots you, and
they turn out to be an agent.

She made a statement to the press it was a set-up; that this was her job. She
was assigned to come up here from Orlando and go out with me. Basically what
it comes down to is that she deceived me, and she was being paid by the
government to sleep with me.

That's the first time they ever pulled that one on me.

Q. Is it true that after the Gainsville Eight trial the federal prosecutor
came up to you and said, "We're going to get you yet!"?

A. No. He said it in front of a taxicab driver who took him to the airport.
The cabbie came back to us and told us he said "We're still going to get Camil
and two others."

Q. What happened to you personally after the trial?

A. I started working on a book on the Gainesville 8 trial and the other trials
I had during that time.

I was still speaking, but I limited my speaking to the Gainesville 8 case, the
abuse of force by the government, universal amnesty. (I prefer to call it
repatriation), and the JFK assassination, on which I've read just about
everything written.

I keep in active contact with the Assassination Information Bureau in
Massachussetts. There's no doubt in my mind that the government killed the
President.

Q. Ever seen the pix of E. Howard Hunt and Frank Sturgis in Dallas?

A.. I believe they were involved because I believe Connally was involved, I
believe Nixon was involved, I believe Gerald Ford was involved, and that those
people were all connected together-and I couldn't swear under oath those
pictures were them, but I do believe those pictures are them.

Now concerning current events, here you have Colby, who was head of the
Phoenix Operation in Nam. Now he's head of the CIA, and what do you get? A
whole bunch of supposed refugees, of whom I'm sure a good percentage are
Project Phoenix assassins. And they owe their allegiance not to the American
government or the American people, but to the CIA. I could see the next
Watergaters not being Cubans, but Vietnamese. Now they've got someone to do
their dirty work who's had plenty of practice.

Q. What made the government so upset that they did this number on you?

A. I don't know if it was something I was doing then, or if it was something I
had done before and maybe had the potential to do again. I feel the main
objective was to stop the book, and that feeling is based on the fact that
while agents Dennis Fitzgerald and William Porter were shooting me in the
street, other agents were raiding my house with a search warrant that called
f

[CTRL] Clinton = Flynt!

[Lloyd Miller]

 -Caveat Lector-

-Original Message-
From: Falwell Confidential <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Friday, January 15, 1999 2:22 AM
Subject: Falwell Confidential


DATE: JANUARY 15, 1999
FROM: DR. JERRY FALWELL

THE BIZARRE FLYNT-CLINTON CONNECTION: Dan Moldea, the lead
investigator for Larry Flynt's ongoing quest to uncover sexual
indiscretions of Republican congressional members, has now
admitted he was hired by the law firm defending President
Clinton.  Moldea affirmed that the firm of Williams & Connolly
initially contacted him to uncover evidence that Kenneth Starr,
Whitewater independent counsel, had violated rules against
leaking grand jury information to the press.  He also affirms
that his "outing" of promiscuous GOP leaders is designed to help
the president.  "I'm the investigator on all of this -- whether
it's (Rep. Robert) Livingston, (Rep. Robert) Barr, or anyone else
who's coming -- and I'm also helping call the shots," Moldea told
Washington Times investigative reporter Bill Sammon on Wednesday.
Moldea says his boss, Hustler magazine Publisher Larry Flynt, has
made it clear that "my marching orders are to deal with
hypocrisy," meaning that he is investigating only politicians who
have attempted to promulgate the truth about the president.
White House Press Secretary Joe Lockhart said recently, "The
president has been very clear the whole time he's been here that
there's no place in this town for this kind of politics, and it
ought to come to an end."  However, Mr. Clinton has yet to
officially call for Flynt to halt this outrageous game of search-
and-destroy.  The president has been so involved in destroying
those who attempt to uncover the truth in his impeachment trial
that the press has dubbed his hateful attacks as "the scorched
earth" plan.  As I've reported to you in past communiques, Larry
Flynt and I have struck up an unlikely friendship in recent
months.  I truly care about Larry.  While I continue to earnestly
pray that the Lord will provide me the opportunity to win him to
Christ, Larry's involvement with this malicious plan to ravage
the careers of many good leaders is disgraceful.  Please continue
to pray with me that Larry will yield to Christ's convicting
Spirit.

CONTACT YOUR SENATOR REGARDING IMPEACHMENT: I am urging all my
"Falwell Confidential" friends to contact their two senators and
tell them how you feel regarding the impeachment trial of
President Clinton.  I have called for the president to resign for
several weeks now because I believe he long ago lost his moral
authority to lead our nation.  However, it is abundantly clear
that the president will not release his vice-grip on his
presidency -- no matter the cost to his family, his friends or
his staff, all of whom he has placed in harm's way to protect his
perceived legacy.  Now we must all make our voices known to the
senators who are acting as jurors in the president's Senate
trial.  I encourage every one of you to call or e-mail your
senators today.  The effort is minimal, but the effect will be
great if we all act together.  Also, I want to thank you all of
you who reported to me that last week you e-mailed the ten
Democrats who are most likely to vote their conscience in this
impeachment trial.  Let's now act again.  This is patriotism in
action!  Please file this list away for future reference.  Here
are the 100 senators:

1. Sen. Richard C. Shelby (R-Ala.) Phone: (202) 224-5744
E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

2.  Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.)Phone: (202) 224-4124
E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

3.  Sen. Ted Stevens (R-Alaska)Phone: (202) 224-3004
E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

4.  Sen. Frank H. Murkowski (R- Alaska)Phone: (202) 224-6665
E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

5.  Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.)Phone: (202) 224-2235
E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

6.  Sen. Jon L. Kyl (R-Ariz.)Phone: (202) 224-4521
E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

7.  Sen. Blanche Lincoln (D-Ark.)Phone: (202) 224-4843
E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

8.  Sen. Tim Hutchinson (R-Ark.)Phone: (202) 224-2353
E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

9.  Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.)Phone: (202) 224-3841
E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

10.  Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.)Phone: (202) 224-3553
E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

11. Sen. Ben Nighthorse Campbell (R-Colo.) Phone: (202) 224-5852
Fax:  (202) 224-1933

12.  Sen. Wayne Allard (R-Colo.)Phone: (202) 224-5941
E-mail: www.senate.gov/~allard/

13.  Sen. Christopher J. Dodd (D-Conn.)Phone: (202) 224-2823
E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

14.  Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman (D-Conn.)Phone: (202) 224-4041
E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

15.  Sen. William V. Roth, Jr. (R-Del.)Phone: (202) 224-2441
E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

16.  Sen. Joseph R. Biden, Jr. (D-Del.)Phone: (202) 224-5042
E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

17.  Sen. Bob Graham (D-Fla.)Phone: (202) 224-3041
E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

18.  Sen. Connie Mack (R-Fla.)Phone: (202) 224-5274
E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

19.  Sen. Paul Coverdell (R-Ga.)Phone: (202) 224-3643
E-mail: [EMAIL P

Re: [CTRL] New Light Shed On Rehnquist's Robes

[PRUDYL]

 -Caveat Lector-

In a message dated 1/16/99 8:56:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:

<<
 In  1994, according to, reportedly, a National Public Radio (NPR)
 broadcast, Rehnquist had been  in attendance during a performance
 of the Gilbert & Sullivan operetta, "Iolanthe."  Afterwards, "the
 Chief  Justice  had  the  gold-striped  Lord  Chancellor's   robe
 copied."  [Reportedly from NPR, 1/12/99.]

 According to one CTRL  researcher,  "Rehnquist's  imperial  robes
 initially  caused  a  stir  when  he  showed up in his stripes at
 Clinton's 1995 State of  the  Union Address, which was televised.
 There is also a Time article in the 2/6/95 issue which references
 Rehnquist's getup." >>

I guess we should be glad he likes Gilbert & Sullivan.  I mean just think if
he was a Michael Jackson fan.  Can't you just see that glove up there?  Prudy

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[CTRL] Black Triangles

[earthman]

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John locker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  To:
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 Date:
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Some hard hitting facts here from Tim Matthews...author of the
excellent
"UFO
Revelations". (Blandford)

Dear All,

I shall take a brief moment from our imminent preparations for the
arrival
of
our daughter Alexandra (she'll be out Monday!) to address some of the
utter

nonsense spewed out by certain people on the question of black
triangles;

1 - I note that Peter Gersten and Michael Lindemann are attempting to
ignore
all the research done  people like myself, Steve Douglass, Bill Rose
and
David Windle re; flying triangles.

They obviously feel that the more times they repeat the mantra about
'these

must be of alien origin because they are seen over built-up area' then
people
will believe them and perhaps, in Gersten's case, pump more money into
the
overly alien-oriented CAUS group.

2 - Lindemann cites Nick Pope as a credible source on FTs - which is
ridiculous and we have wiped the floor with his sales pitch on too many
occasions. He knew nothing whilst at Air Staff and knows nothing now -
EXCEPT
a good agent, Andrew Lownie.

3 - I notice the strange re-emergence of a story from three years ago -
and

which was published in 'UFO Reality' magazine around the same time
(approx.)
- about a supposed D-Notice forbidding the reporting of FTs in the
media,
or
some such tale.

This IS RUBBISH. The D-Notice system is old, antiquated and entirely
irrelevant. IMPORTANTLY, one can actually write or call the
governmental
office that issues D-Notices and find out what D-Notice are "in
force"...or

not in force as the case may be.

THERE HAS NOT AND IS NOT A D-NOTICE ON FTs!

Labour MP Tam Dalyell tells a much more interesting story but the
Lindemann

and Gerstens of this world seem curiously oblivious to everything I put
forward because they know that their constituency will not accept the
heretical truth from us...

How many UK researchers are even aware that the D-Notice system
operates
thus?

About one other that I can think of.

This says a great deal about the state of UFO research here and in the
US.
Stories are put out, in this case one based upon a three year old myth
whose
source is anonymous (!), and accepted  without argument.

4 - Given that every aviation buff knows that triangular a/c were
designed
and built during WW2, why should the appearance of a similar object
over
London in 1948 be evidence of aliens?

THIS (and this is a fatal assumption) ASSUMES that the witness is
correct
and
in my four years experience of talking to witnesses, they are nearly
always

mistaken.

The number of times I have personally investigated FT sightings and an
easy

solution has been found (stars/planets, aircraft lights are the
favourites)

beggars belief.

I's say that of 150 cases perhaps around eight seem at all credible.

5 - The story about FTs featured on the excellent Jeff Rense homepage
(www.sightings.com) is full of the usual inaccuracies about FTs.

last years when Peter Gersten was trying to take the DoD to court and
find
out more about FTs he contacted me about my helping him with his
efforts.
He
has received numerous emails from me on the subject and I have
suggested he

speaks with Steve Douglass but it looks very much like he has simply
ignored
my evidence and gone onto believe mythmakers like Ed Fouche and others
who
cite anonymous source, bankrupt tales of crash retrievals and so on.

6 - We've been here before but the tactic from the believer set is
clear;

IGNORE ALL EVIDENCE TO THE CONTRARY
PRETEND THAT THERE IS ONLY ONE CREDIBLE POSITION
PLAY TO THE AUDIENCE WHENEVER POSSIBLE.

7 - Some of these lies will be challenged by me personally at the
forthcoming
LAPIS Conference in Blackpool. As well as spreading more fumes about
MJ-12
and the new batch of fakes, George Wingfield is going to speak on FTs -
a
subject which he has little or no idea about.

Last time he spoke at a Northern event on FTs he decided to childishly
rip
up
a copy of one of my reports on secret terrestrial FT projects.

He'd better not try that again..

The Popes, Redferns, Fowlers and co will NEVER debate me or anyone else
on

this subject BECAUSE THEY KNOW THEY'LL LOSE.

All they do is hide behind their magazines and publishers secure in the
knowledge that, as Goebbels once said, if you repeat a lie often enough
PEOPLE WILL BELIEVE IT.

The truth is that the few FT sightings that are credible relate to
man-made

projects. Thanks to the UFO community and their convenient links with
the
mass media, the FT subject has been presented as evidence of alien
contact.

This is the lie of the Twentieth Century and will no doubt be
challenged in

the new Millennium.


Tim Matthews.
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DECLARATION 

[CTRL] Royal Goss

[earthman]

 -Caveat Lector-

Oo this is a bit of Royal gossip..he he

Peter

Those of us in England, who are republicans, have obviously never liked the
monarchy. Once, we had to keep our views firmly to ourselves, as the come
out against the Sovereign, meant being branded as a social pariah.  Now,
with a third of us being republican, we  can now be completely free, to
criticise the British monarchy, without any fear.

For years, there has been a doubt, over the fatherhood of both Charles and
Andrew. This was spoken only by the press, when alone together - and it was
never printed.  It was said, that the father of Prince Andrew, was the late
Lord Carnavon, who held the position, as the Queen's horse racing manager.
He is now buried, in the royal plot at Windsor - a status without precedent
for any non royal.

There, also has also been an underground story, involving the sexual
preferences of Prince Phillip.  A maid, happened to see Phil the Greek one
night, in a compromising position with a palace gardener.  After seeing the
two men "together", behind the  ornamental bushes, a classic cover-up took
place. This fortunate young woman, was given such a huge pension, that she
has never had to work again.

Now this is the stuff, that I can believe in, but now with Icke, all of this
becomes irrelevant.  We, now have to suddenly accept another agenda - and
that is a reptilian one.  It is very difficult to change a mind set, after
many years of seeing them as degenerated humanity.








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Re: [CTRL] PJ lied under oath?

[PRUDYL]

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In a message dated 1/16/99 6:18:59 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< What I read was that the guy was fired not for publishing the study, but
 deliberately pushing up it's scheduled publication date to coincide with
 the impeachment hearings...apparantly it was originally scheduled to
 appear in the Journal a few months from now...and the AMA quite correctly
 deemed the editorial decision to publish earlier an inapproprate decision
 based solely on politics, and not the science (or supposed science) of
 the study. >>


Well, I think this is called merchandising.  The matter would certainly be of
more interest right now.  Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Antichrist a Jew, Says Falwell

[Alamaine Ratliff]

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You know ...  I just can't wait to watch Geraldo Live when he has Revvin'
Jerry and Alan Dershowitz (sp?) on again so the two of them can spar over
this like Alan D. sparred with Barr over the 'code word' (in reference to
'real Americans') during the J Committee hearings.  The last time Geraldo
had the two of them on, Revvin' Jerry was counseling Alan D. about
'detesting' people; Revvin' Jerry thought he should overcome that and Alan
D. almost made it out to be a crusade to detest some people.

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: To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
: Subject: Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Antichrist a Jew, Says Falwell
: Date: Saturday, January 16, 1999 6:30 PM
:
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:
: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
:
: >
: > Falwell: Antichrist Probably Jewish
: >
: > WILLIAMSBURG, Va. (AP) -- The Rev. Jerry Falwell said the Antichrist is
: > probably alive today and is a male Jew. He also believes the second
coming of
: > Christ probably will be within 10 years.
: >
:
: Have any of you heard of the messiah that Benjamin Creme is promoting? I
: don't think that he is jewish, but I believe he is semetic. He is
: supposed to be alive, but not out in public. BTW, this is the second
: time Theosophist have promoted a second coming. The last was 60 some
: years ago and was a young Indian who eventually denounced the promoters.
: He later became a well known philosopher/mystic named something like
: Krishna Namurati.
:
: Howard Davis
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Re: [CTRL] Subliminal Techniques?

[Alamaine Ratliff]

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The military is in a recruiting bind right now for one thing.  It goes
along the lines of 'advertising'.  Perhaps you've recently keyed in on this
but I also notice there's been a LOT of military movies throughout the
years:  the Rambos, even Forrest Gump, and now Saving Private Ryan and the
Thin Red Line.  On TV, we've Major Dad, JAG, and a few others.  Of course
my list is not exhaustive but the influence has been there.  Of course, a
'real' war like Iraq or Iraq2 is hard to beat.

Now:  how many anti-militaristic movies can we count?



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: Subject: [CTRL] Subliminal Techniques?
: Date: Sunday, January 17, 1999 1:13 AM
:
:  -Caveat Lector-
:
: Has anyone else noticed lately that there is a lot of Military
: Commercials.
: More than the usual Army, Navy, Marines etc. Commercials. Since I listen
: to AM radio a lot I have heard many many commercials featuring the Army,
: Navy, Marines and even the Selective Services. At first you may be
: thinking, "So what?" but it was not like this a year ago. And I see
: posters for the military on billboards, posters at stores, and other
: places.
:
: Am I the only one who is noticing this?
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[CTRL] Nixon's Successor and JFK Assassination

[lloyd]

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..

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From: Das GOAT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject:  [CTRL] Nixon's Successor and JFK Assassination
Date: Wednesday, November 17, 1999 5:44 AM

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FORD ALTERED REPORT ON JFK BULLET'S PATH
by Mike Feinsilber
Associated Press, WASHINGTON, 3 July 1997

"Gerald Ford may have provoked JFK conspiracy theorists."



 Thirty-three years ago, Gerald Ford took pen in hand and --
ever so slightly-- CHANGED the Warren Commission's KEY SENTENCE
about the place where a bullet entered John F. Kennedy's body
when he was killed in Dallas.
 Ford's change STRENGTHENED the commission's conclusion that
a SINGLE bullet passed through Kennedy and severely wounded Texas
Gov. John Connally, A CRUCIAL ELEMENT in its finding that lee
harvey oswald was the SOLE gunman.
 "My changes had NOTHING TO DO with a CONSPIRACY THEORY,"
Ford said Wednesday in a telephone interview from Beaver Creek,
Colo., when the editing came to light.  "My changes were only an
attempt to be more precise."
 But still, they were seized upon by CONSPIRACY THEORISTS,
who reject the commission's conclusion that Oswald acted alone.
 "This is THE MOST SIGNIFICANT LIE IN THE WHOLE WARREN
COMMISSION REPORT," said Robert D. Morningstar, a computer
systems specialist in New York City, who said he had studied the
assassination since it occurred and written an Internet book
about it.
 The effect of Ford's editing, Morningstar said, was to
suggest that a bullet struck Kennedy in the neck, "raising the
wound two or three inches.  WITHOUT THAT ALTERATION, they could
never have hoodwinked the public as to the true number of
assassins."
 If the bullet had hit Kennedy in the back, he said, it could
NOT have struck Connolly in the way the commission said it did.
 The Warren Commission concluded in 1964 that a single bullet
--fired by a "discontented" Owald on Nov. 22, 1963-- passed
through Kennedy's body and wounded Connally, and that a second,
fatal bullet, fired from the same place, tore through Kennedy's
head.
 CONSPIRACY THEORISTS, rejecting the idea that a single
bullet could have hit both Kennedy and Connally and done such
damage, argue that a second gunman must have been involved.
Ford's handwritten notes were among 40,000 pages of records kept
by J. Lee Rankin, chief counsel of the Warren Commission.
 They were made public Wednesday by the Assassination Record
Review Board, an agency created by Congress to amass all relevant
evidence in the case.  The documents will be available to the
public in the National Archives.
 Commission staff had written: "A bullet had entered his BACK
at a point slightly above the shoulder and to the right of the
spine."
 Ford suggested changing that to read: "A bullet had entered
the BACK OF HIS NECK at a point slightly to the right of the
spine."
 The final report said: "A bullet had entered the BASE of the
BACK OF HIS NECK slightly to the right of the spine."
 Ford, then House Republican leader and later elevated to the
presidency with the 1974 resignation of Richard Nixon, is the
SOLE SURVIVING member of the seven-member commission chaired by
Chief Justice Earl Warren.

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Re: [CTRL] Redundant Waste Disposal Methods

[PRUDYL]

 -Caveat Lector-

In a message dated 1/16/99 3:07:18 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< The Dow Chemical Company is the fifth largest chemical company in the
 world, with annual sales of more than $20 billion. Dow provides chemicals,
 plastics, energy, agricultural products, consumer goods and environmental
 services. The company operates 114 manufacturing sites in 33 countrie >>

I have such a hard time thinking of Dow as such a good guy.  I wouldn't trust
them to discharge even rainwater.  There's something about all those wonderful
chemical companies.  Better living through chemistry--of course maybe not for
very long.  Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] Drug - Lord

[Linda Minor]

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Lord Harlech's family name is Ormsby-Gore.  I haven't been able to find out
if Al's family may be connected somehow.

http://www.hri.org/news/balkans/yds/1998/98-05-06.yds.html#10
Tanjug, 1998-05-05
Member of the Socialist Party of Serbia (SPS) Executive Committee Goran
Percevic received on Tuesday Lord Harlech, Member of the House of Commons
and Secretary of the British-Yugoslav Parliamentary Group.

Percevic set out that some members of the international community should
publicly, in words and deeds, condemn separatism and terrorism in Serbia's
southern province of Kosovo and Metohija, demonstrate their commitment to
the basic principles of the U.N. Charter and in that way contribute to peace
and stability in the Balkans, an SPS statement said.

Unprincipled pressures on and threats of a state which is safeguarding its
sovereignty and integrity and which accepts and in practice applies highest
international standards in terms of minority rights are only an
encouragement to separatist activities and terrorist operations in Kosovo
and Metohija, Percevic stressed.

He said that state authorities were capable of efficaciously combating
terrorism and all other attempts at undermining the legal order and that
they enjoyed the united support of all citizens of Serbia in that.

Percevic stressed in the talk with Lord Harlech that the Serbian Government
had unequivocally shown its will for all issues in Kosovo and Metohija to be
resolved peacefully, through dialogue.

The promotion of political relations and development of economic cooperation
between Yugoslavia and Great Britain were also discussed in the meeting.


http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/2807/SAIIA.html
The mandates article of the final Covenant of the League (Article 22) was
drafted by Smuts and Kerr (according to Temperley) and was introduced by
Smuts to the League Commission of the Peace Conference. The mandates
themselves were granted under conditions drawn up by Lord Milner. Since it
was felt that this should be done on an international basis, the Milner
drafts were not accepted at once but were submitted to an international
committee of five members meeting in London. On this committee Milner was
chairman and sole British member and succeeded in having his drafts
accepted.

 The execution of the terms of the mandates were under the supervision
of a Permanent Mandates Commission of nine members (later ten). The British
member of this commission was always of the Milner Group, as can be seen
from the following list:

   W. G. A. Ormsby-Gore, February 1921-July 1923  [This was a
previous Lord Harlech]

   Lord Lugard, July 1923-July 1936

   Lord Hailey, September 1936-March 1939

   Lord Hankey, May 1939-September 1939

   Lord Hailey, September 1939

 The origins and the supervision power of the mandates system were thus
largely a result of the activities of the Milner Group. This applied to
Palestine as well as the other mandates. Palestine, however, had a peculiar
position among mandates because of the Balfour Declaration of 1917, which
states that Britain would regard with favor the establishment of a national
home for the Jews in Palestine. This declaration, which is always known as
the Balfour Declaration, should rather be called "the Milner Declaration,"
since Milner was the actual draftsman and was, apparently, its chief
supporter in the War Cabinet. This fact was not made public until 21 July
1937. At that time Ormsby-Gore, speaking for the government in Commons,
said, "The draft as originally put up by Lord Balfour was not the final
draft approved by the War Cabinet. The particular draft assented to by the
War Cabinet and afterwards by the Allied Governments and by the United
States . .. and finally embodied in the Mandate, happens to have been
drafted by Lord Milner. The actual final draft had to be issued in the name
of the Foreign Secretary, but the actual draftsman was Lord Milner." Milner
had referred to this fact in a typically indirect and modest fashion in the
House of Lords on 27 June 1923, when he said, "I was a party to the Balfour
Declaration." In the War Cabinet, at the time, he received strong support
from General Smuts.Once the mandate was set up, also in terms drafted by
Milner, the Milner Group took little actual part in the administration of
Palestine."[8]

The idea of establishing a national home for the Jews in Palestine would be
the same idea as establishing a national home for blacks in Africa.


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From: Das GOAT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Date: Thursday, November 18, 1999 7:37 AM
Subject: [CTRL] Drug - Lord


> -Caveat Lector-
>
>Tory peer fined for possessing heroin
>(http://www.telegraph.co.uk/et?ac=0013072
>
>ISSUE 1632 Saturday 13 November 1999
>
>Tory peer fined for possessing heroin
>By Electronic Telegraph Corespondent
>
>LORD HARLECH, an hereditary peer who h

Re: [CTRL] Larry Flynt on C-SPAN tonight.

[PRUDYL]

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In a message dated 1/16/99 3:07:06 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< > I hear that  David Duke--the Grand Old Wizard--will be running for
Congress,

   I would point out that  under the Democratic/liberal definition of morality
 David Duke would be considered a  moral man as long as he was true to
 political issues.
 Did you see the news report about the 47 Democrats who were card carrying
 members of the alleged white supremist group that the liberals excoriated
 Trent Lott about?  Interestingly no liberals/Democrats have stepped forward
to
 denounce those 47. >>

You're right.  They're all a bunch of bums.  I'm sure that most of those 47
Dems are the blue dogs from the South.  Some may already be on the Rep list.
It's amazing how quick the news is ready to report about this business when
they're trying to make Lott look good, and how Clinton is the only adulterer
who ever set foot in Washington.  Oh well.  Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] Why Can't Cameras Show Senators?

[Alamaine Ratliff]

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Perhaps, as others have pointed out, to preserve their 'dignity' (not
showing innattentiveness).  Has anyone asked C-SPAN?

Another point:  If Harkin's objection was 'sustained' (Barr referring to
Senators as "jurors"), would it then be allowed for Barr to go outside and,
in repsonse to CNN's questions, again refer to the Senators as "jurors" ?
(Which he did.)



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: Subject: [CTRL] Why Can't Cameras Show Senators?
: Date: Sunday, January 17, 1999 8:46 AM
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:
: Why can't C-Span's camera show the Senators? When Sen. Tom Harkin
: made his objection to the senators being called "jurors," the
: camera was allowed to show us Harkin. But ordinarily the camera
: is not allowed to show us views of the assembled senators. The
: reasoning behind the disallowal of camera's viewing of senators
: can't be based on the senators being "jurors" (as Harkin made
: clear.) What is the judicial logic that disallows camera views
: of the assembled senators?
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Re: [CTRL] Living in corporate America.

[Jim Norman]

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Barb Witt wrote:

>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> At 09:34 PM 1/16/99 -0800, you wrote:
> > -Caveat Lector-
> >
> >"M.A. Johnson" wrote:
> >>
> >>  -Caveat Lector-
> >>
> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >>I would estimate that of over 50% of all consumer manufactured
> >>goods are coming from Communist China.  Why? Well, because the
> >>capitalist built their latest and best manufacturing plants
> >>there? Why? Cheap Labour. Huge Market.
> >>
> >> MJ:
> >> How long has labor been cheap abroad?  Why is it only in recent
> >> years we have had a (purported) mass exodus?  Could it be the
> >> regulatory load which has escalated over the past recent years?
> >>
> >> Regard$,
> >> --MJ
> >
> >What do you mean " purported?" Where is America's manufacturing base?
> >Did it disappear down a rabbit hole? There's nothing purported about
> >American corporations leaving in droves. This is bullshit on your
> >part and you know it. You take a foolish position, you have to defend
> >it by flinging bovine droppings and red herrings.
> >
> >American companies had been buying their way out of regulations more
> >and more in the years before leaving these shores for foreign labor.
> >As a matter of fact, they got tax breaks for doing it. This could only
> >happen because they got more complete control of Congress.
> >
> >American corporations are owned by the Rich and their managerial sub-
> >class. These two groups have a long history of theft, violence, crime,
> >and treason against the citizens, workers, and country of the USA.
> >
> >Only a twisted Libertarian would blame regulations as the reason for
> >industrial flight. Everyone with any sense at all knows it's for
> >profit. Workers and nation be damned.
> >
> >Joshua2
> >
> From Jim Norman: May I add the government in many cases subsidise and assist in
> the movements.  In Florida, the Lazard (sp?) Brothers and the Duda Brothers were
> assisted in moving their agriculture production to Mexico.  The government
> arranged the purchase of their respective properties in south Florida,
> interfaced with the Mexican authorities in arranging suitable authorizations and
> properties in Mexico, and assisted with the expense of moving.

Jim Norman




>
> >> The policy of the American government is to leave their
> >> citizens free, neither restraining nor aiding them in
> >> their pursuits. -- Thomas Jefferson to M. L'Hommande, 1787.
>
> Two pertinent articles (The Global Hand and Technology Hoax), from the
> April 21, 1997 edition of Forbes:
>
> http://www.forbes.com/forbes/97/0421/5908085a.htm
>
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Re: [CTRL] This is not the Bible discussion list. . .

[Terry Cox]

TenebrousT,
What is your 
advice to me, who sees many conspiracies as headed by 
Satan?  Are people like me rightfully part of this group or 
not?  I think there is a difference between stating the source of 
conspiracy theories and preaching religion and I think we follow that pretty 
well.  I'd appreciate your clarification.  Thanks.
Terry
 
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  From: 
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  AM
  Subject: [CTRL] This is not the Bible 
  discussion list. . .
  -Caveat Lector-Some people may find the links in this 
  message of use, but let me say that Idon't want this list turned into a 
  forum for Bible thumping and beliefbashing.  Thus I will ask that we 
  limit what we say and do in this regard tothe discussion of religion and 
  its relation to Conspiracy Theory, rather thanApologetics, Hermeneutics, 
  Theology, or other issues that have as their basisindividual belief and 
  faith issues that should be left to each to decide forthemselves.  
  The disclaimer in every post is explicit in this regard.Thank you for the 
  links and thank you for heeding this advice.In a message dated 
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  BIBLE STUDY WEB SITES ON THE INTERNET RIGHT NOW AND WRITE ME> 
  BACK>  THANKING ME FOR SHARING THESE TOTALLY COOL SITES WITH 
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  FAVORITE BIBLE SEARCH ENGINE>  http://unbound.biola.edu/>  
  The Unbound 
  Bible>>  HUGE List of Christian books online 
  including, Bible Dictionaries,>  Commentaries, etc>  
  http://ccel.org/>  Christian Classics Ethereal Library -- 
  Fiction,>  etc.>>  Very Cool Source 
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 Now The Associated Press has confirmed what conservative groups and this
page have been talking about for years: Several tax-exempt organizations have
been set upon by Internal Revenue Service auditors for what look to be
blatant partisan purposes.

The story comes to light after the agency was forced to reveal the targets of
its audits following a suit initiated by the Landmark Legal Foundation, which
fights against judicial activism in the courts.

One Democratic congressman referred the Heritage Foundation (a Washington
think tank) and Citizens Against Government Waste (an anti-tax group) to the
IRS based on a desire for "evenhandedness." The IRS responded within two
months and both groups are still defending themselves from the costly audits.

The American Spectator, the conservative monthly that has been crusading
against the Clintons since 1992, also found itself under the IRS telescope.

IRS politicization was one of the most glaring abuses of the Nixon White
House. And, as the last six years have shown, the Clinton presidency is a
veritable moral (or immoral) clone of Tricky Dick's.

But, of course, Nixon used the IRS against Democrats and liberals, so the
story was front-page news for a year. The Clintons go after conservatives,
and the media are mostly silent.

Like the Nixonites, the White House and Democrats will surely again downplay
this outrage because "everybody does it": They will point out that the
documents also show Ways and Means Committee Chairman Bill Archer requesting
an IRS probe of the Buddhist temple where Al Gore had a fund-raiser.

But there's a crucial difference. Religious groups are explicitly banned from
carrying on political activities –– whether in a church, a synagogue or a
mosque. A partisan fund-raiser is by definition political. The illegality was
so blatant that the temple was named an unindicted co-conspirator in the case
against Democratic fund-raiser Maria Hsia.

The Democrat-instigated IRS moves against conservative organizations, on the
other hand, seem clearly designed to harass and intimidate institutions that
are disseminating information to the public –– within the guidelines of
their charters.

A Buddhist temple is supposed to be distributing the words of a Higher Power.
A think tank's mission is to distribute information on slightly more worldly
matters. This information is often ideological, and thus will tend in a
partisan direction. But that doesn't make it partisan in character. The ideas
are what matter, not the fiscal health of a given political party.

There are two things we can learn here. First, there should probably be
greater checks and balances to deter legislators –– of either party –– from
making illegitimate audit demands of the IRS.

But the larger point is, again, about Bill Clinton, his administration and
the depths to which they will sink. The president makes a habit of whining
about his enemies, and he has many. Have organizations like the Heritage
Foundation and Citizens Against Government Waste been rough on him?
Absolutely. But what they have at their disposal is a means of disseminating
an argument. What he has at his disposal is the might of the U.S. government.

Recall that no sooner had this White House come into office then it got its
hands on sensitive FBI files of former government officials –– and used
ex-bouncer Craig Livingstone to scour them for sordid details.

Recall the hijinks of Sidney "Sid Vicious" Blumenthal, who coordinated a
White House "sleaze the Right" effort to deflect attention from the
president's perjuries in the Lewinsky scandal –– and was given a
dressing-down by a grand jury for going on TV and misrepresenting his
testimony to them.

Clinton unmoored his party from the leftist ideology that made it nationally
unelectable. He was able to do that because he himself is unmoored from even
the most basic standards of political and personal decency. Here's hoping
that his final departure from office brings an end to the re-Nixonizing of
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The great betrayal Laos' Hmong tribe faces death in forced repatriation

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By Anthony C. LoBaido
© 1999 WorldNetDaily.com

Editor's note: This is the first of an exclusive three-part investigative
series by WorldNetDaily's roving international correspondent Anthony C.
LoBaido. During the past year, LoBaido has traveled throughout Thailand and
Laos, at considerable personal risk, documenting the plight of Laos' Hmong
tribesmen -- including former CIA Special Forces soldiers who fought
side-by-side with American soldiers during the Vietnam war. Among the most
Christianized of the hill tribes in Southeast Asia, the Hmong have been the
object of great persecution by both the Stalinist government of Laos and the
Communist government of Vietnam. But their biggest betrayal of all is still
coming -- from the United States government and the United Nations. Until
now, no reporter from any other news organization worldwide has been willing
or able to document this important story.



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NAKHON PHANOM, Thailand -- An old Hmong woman sobbed hysterically, burying
her face in the hands of her young granddaughter. The United Nations High
Commission on Refugees had made its final decision: The woman and her entire
extended family would be forcibly repatriated to Communist-ruled Laos -- at
gunpoint if necessary -- by the men in the blue berets.
Three monks gather
in the formerly peaceful
Buddhist Laos.

"No, oh my God, no!" the woman sobbed over and over again. "They're going to
kill us all!"

That was the scene at the Ban Napho camp Sept. 29, where U.N. staff had just
finished conducting the last of its "interviews" to determine which Hmong
(pronounced "mung") families would be forced to return to Laos.

Although 1999 has been designated officially as "Visit Laos Year," few
knowledgeable observers are shocked at the Hmong's reluctance to return to
their native land.

The Hmong are hated by the power brokers in the Stalinist government that
rules Laos today. This hatred is rooted in the Hmong's legendary role in
aiding the French colonialists during the Indochina War of the 1950s, and, a
decade later, in their having fought alongside the American forces during the
Vietnam war. The Hmong were portrayed, although somewhat crudely, in the 1979
Francis Ford Coppola film, "Apocalypse Now."

Today, the Hmong are a besieged people on many fronts. Both medical and
military experts claim that the ruling government of Laos has used
Russian-made biochemical weapons against the Hmong. UNICEF, the United
Nations Children's Fund, currently is engaging in population control efforts
against the tribe, trying to limit members to three children per family. And
worst of all, the Hmong have found themselves abandoned by the U.S. State
Department, CIA and Pentagon -- their former patrons. Far from being given a
homeland and preferential treatment, as promised, for their past allegiance
and military service to America, they are being forced to return to a nation
that considers them less than human -- to a fate of almost certain
extermination.
WorldNetDaily reporter
Anthony LoBaido at the legendary --
and heavily landmined --
Plain of Jars near Ponsavan, in Laos.

How did this happen?

An amazing and tortured story, it all began when U.S. Army Special Forces
soldier Carl Bernard, an experienced infantry captain, was posted to Laos in
1961 with the "White Star Mobile Training Team" from the Army's Special
Forces at Fort Bragg.

"The Hmong are rugged mountain people who were trained by the CIA in Special
Forces units during the 1960s and 1970s," recalled Bernard. He was the point
man on the CIA-U.S. Army's official mission to recruit and train the Hmong to
fight against the Communist Viet Cong. Just why was the Army recruiting
native hill tribesmen to fight?

Having served in China with the Marines in 1945-46, Bernard was extremely
knowledgeable on the long-running regional conflict due to his extensive
contacts with French officers involved in the French-Indochina War.

In particular, Bernard was impressed with the explanation of the way
Communist China's forces were able to contain, conquer and then convert those
of anti-Maoist Chiang Kai-shek into the formidable units that caused the U.S.
such staggering losses in the Korean War.

Bernard understood that the United States would need the support of the
ethnic hill tribes of Indochina to win the Vietnam war. While the conflict
was conventional in nature, there were also unconventional aspects to the war
that would definitely swing the balance of the final outcome.
Elephants swimming
in the Mekong Delta.

"Army officials had expressed concern to then-President John F. Kennedy about
Laos, an unknown country, becoming the first 

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'Killing fields,'
mines and martyrs
Part 2 of WND's investigative report
on betrayal of Hmong tribe

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By Anthony C. LoBaido
© 1999 WorldNetDaily.com

Editor's note: This is the second part of Anthony C. LoBaido's three-part
investigative series on the Hmong hill tribes of Laos and Vietnam. In Part 1,
"THE GREAT BETRAYAL," IN WEDNESDAY EDITION WorldNetDaily's roving
international reporter revealed how the Hmong, since serving valiantly
alongside American servicemen in the Vietnam war, have been betrayed by the
U.S. government, persecuted by the Laotian government, and are now being
forced at gunpoint by U.N. soldiers to return from Thai refugee camps to
their native Laos before Dec. 31 -- to almost certain death. In this report,
LoBaido reveals the many "dirty little secrets" he uncovered during his
investigations while traveling through Laos, the most heavily landmined
country on earth.



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VIENTIANE, Laos People's Democratic Republic -- The group of 50 men, women
and children huddled together in the basement of a spooky, abandoned French
colonial mansion smiled brightly at the arrival of the Western missionary.

"Did you bring them?" one Laotian woman asked her. "I pray that you did."

"Yes, by the grace of God, yes," replied the man, before he pulled out two
videotapes from his knapsack. One was the Christian classic, "The Robe." The
other, its sequel, "Demetrius and the Gladiators."

The idea of Christians hiding out from authorities in the basement of a
haunted house to watch old Hollywood films might seem preposterous to
Americans, but in Stalinist Laos it is a fact of life.
Several Loatian princesses gather at a ceremony in Luang Prabang.

"The lions are back," said Karen LaSalle, a 26-year-old, striking redheaded,
French evangelical missionary who has been working in Laos for three years.

"Persecution of Christians, especially the Hmong tribe, is very great in
Laos. While we feel no ill will personally towards our persecutors, we must
take precautions to protect ourselves," she said.

The Hmong are especially hated by the Pathet Lao for their alliances with the
French and later the Americans during the Vietnam war. The Pathet Lao word
for Hmong is "Meo," which means, literally, "less than human."

So why are the besieged Christians in LaSalle's fold so powerfully attracted
to these two films in particular?

"I believe people want to be inspired," answered LaSalle, "and as Lenin said,
film is the greatest tool ever invented to influence the masses."

"'The Robe' is the story of the Roman tribune who actually crucified Christ
on the Cross," LaSalle explained. "This man finds redemption and faith even
while losing his wealth, family and position. He even risks his life for
Demetrius, his former slave. In the sequel, Demetrius takes on the beasts of
the Roman Empire. In the end, he returns with the Prince of Nubia to Sudan
with the robe -- the cloth which Jesus wore to his death."

Then came the connection. "The Christians in Laos understand that Christians
in Sudan are being crucified and sold into slavery for their Christian
faith," said LaSalle. "Somehow, they respond to the messages in these two
movies. It gives them hope. It is the exact opposite of what Lenin would have
wanted."

"Illegal assembly, social division"
Earlier this year, the Stalinist government imprisoned 44 Christians for
holding a Bible study. Most of those imprisoned were members of Partners in
Progress, an Evangelical Aid Organization based in Little Rock, Arkansas,
home of U.S. President Bill Clinton.
A Hmong woman tends to her daily work and two children.

The prisoners were charged with "illegal assembly and creating social
division." The Stalinist Pathet Lao government imposed such restrictions
after it took power in 1975.

Indeed, while Laos' capital Vientiane boasts MTV, Internet cafes, satellite
dishes, Megadeth tee-shirts, Panasonic and even Ovaltine, it is devoid of the
basic freedoms Americans take for granted. Instead, Laos maintains a
Soviet-style internal passport system -- called "bai anuyaat doen thaang" in
Lao, or the ironic "laissez passer" in French.

And for Christians in Laos, religious freedom is non-existent.

A predominately Buddhist country, Laos has been known throughout much of
history as "the land of a million elephants." Today, Laos is home to 20,000
active Catholics -- a remnant of its days as a French colony -- and over 200
Protestant congregations. However, as is the case in Communist China, there
are only two recognized Protestant sects.

"The real Christians who don't believe in Marxism and Stalinism and toe the
government line have to worship in secret," said LaSalle, who told
WorldNetDaily she believes persecution is a 

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FBI Widens Chinese Espionage Probe

By Vernon Loeb and Walter Pincus
Washington Post Staff Writers
Friday, November 19, 1999; Page A1


The FBI has found new evidence suggesting that China may have stolen
information about the most advanced U.S. nuclear warhead from one of the
weapon's assemblers, widening an investigation once focused almost
exclusively on Los Alamos National Laboratory and one of its staff
scientists, Wen Ho Lee.


The evidence emerged after weapons scientists at Los Alamos noted errors in a
Chinese intelligence document that sparked the initial FBI and congressional
investigations into Los Alamos and Lee. The telltale errors, contained in a
description of the miniaturized W-88 warhead, were traced to one of the
contractors and defense installations that assemble nuclear weapons,
government sources said.


While the new evidence does not completely eliminate Los Alamos or Lee, the
sources said, it indicates that the most likely origin of the information is
one of the weapons "integrators." These include Sandia National Laboratories,
which puts together prototypes of some warheads; Lockheed Martin Corp., which
attaches warheads to missiles; and the Navy, which supervises the process.


One source said the analysis "widened the circle and gave convincing
evidence" backing up the contention, long voiced by scientists at Los Alamos
and officials at the Department of Energy, that China could have obtained
classified information about the W-88 and other U.S. nuclear warheads from
any of dozens of facilities.

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A Lockheed Martin spokesman said yesterday the company "is cooperating with
the government in its investigation and is not under investigation nor
implicated in any wrongdoing."


Attorney General Janet Reno and FBI Director Louis J. Freeh told Congress in
September that they were starting their investigation into Chinese espionage
over again and assigning scores of additional agents to broaden the probe.


The decision to go back to square one, they explained, came after they
concluded that the initial inquiry was botched by FBI agents and Department
of Energy intelligence officials who focused prematurely on Lee, a Chinese
American physicist who worked for almost 20 years at Los Alamos's top secret
X Division.


Lee was fired by Department of Energy officials in March for violating lab
security procedures, and he was identified as the government's prime
espionage suspect. U.S. officials now say it is likely that Lee soon will be
indicted for gross negligence in handling classified information by
transferring top-secret computer programs to his unsecure desktop computer.


But the officials acknowledge that the espionage case against Lee was
circumstantial and that they do not have evidence he turned over nuclear
secrets to China. Together with a dire report on Chinese espionage by a House
select committee headed by Rep. Christopher Cox (R-Calif.), the FBI's
espionage probe at Los Alamos created a political furor earlier this year.


Cracks in the case began to appear in June, when the President's Foreign
Intelligence Advisory Board criticized the Department of Energy and the FBI
for focusing almost exclusively on Lee when there was no hard evidence that
he, or anyone else at Los Alamos, was the source of classified information
somehow obtained by China.


Then, in August, the former chief of counterintelligence at Los Alamos
publicly alleged that federal investigators had improperly targeted Lee
because of his ethnicity.


Lee's attorney, Mark Holscher, said yesterday that the FBI's new evidence "is
further proof that the focus of the investigation on Doctor Lee was
inappropriate and that to continue to prosecute him for lesser charges is
unfair."


The espionage investigation at Los Alamos was triggered in late 1995 by a
classified Chinese military report on nuclear weapons that was obtained by
the CIA in Taiwan. The document, dated 1988, was provided by a Chinese
official who offered to spy for the United States and who, over a period of
time, also turned over hundreds of other papers.


Because the Chinese official volunteered and was not recruited, he is known
in intelligence parlance as a "walk-in," and the military document he
provided has become known as the "walk-in document." It drew immediate
interest because it discussed the need for Beijing to design a new
intercontinental missile and cited the W-88 as an example of what Chinese
scientists should be developing.


Among the details in the walk-in document were the dimensions and shape of
the primary nuclear element in the W-88, which were configured to reduce the
size of the warhead.


Energy Department intelligence officials, who believed they had seen some
changes in the nuclear devices China had begun testing in the early 1990s,
brought in experts to analyze the document. The

[CTRL] General Dynamics & ATCO developing directional hypersonic weaponry Press Release 11/18/99

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-Original Message-
From: Wendy Ravenel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 1999 10:41 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: ATCO Press Release 11/18/99


FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE


AMERICAN TECHNOLOGY CORPORATION AND BATH IRON WORKS, A GENERAL DYNAMICS
COMPANY, SIGN DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT

ATC's HyperSonic(TM) Sound Prototypes in Evaluation for Use on Naval
Platforms


SAN DIEGO, CA, November 18, 1999 -- American Technology Corporation
(Nasdaq: ATCO) announced today that it has signed a development agreement
with Bath Iron Works (BIW), a General Dynamics company, to create
evaluation prototypes of ATC's HyperSonic Sound (HSS(TM)) which will be
tested for use in various BIW ships built for the United States Navy.

Con Brosnan, chairman, president, and CEO of American Technology
Corporation, stated, "We are very pleased to be working with BIW-General
Dynamics Marine Group on uses of HSS for military applications. BIW
appreciates the unique properties inherent in our HyperSonic Sound
technology."

Mr. Brosnan continued, "There has been considerable military interest in
HSS. BIW, on behalf of General Dynamics, has taken a leadership role in
working with us to help direct our efforts to applications that should
yield early benefits to ATC."

James Baskerville, Chief Engineer, Advanced Technology, Bath Iron Works,
said, "--This technology supports our targeted areas of innovation for
shipbuilding systems which are lighter, more efficient, less expensive, and
improve crews' safety and habitability.  Rarely does one discovery satisfy
so many of those categories. HSS(TM) is a game changer technology."

First evaluation units are to be delivered to BIW before the end of the
calendar year.

HyperSonic Sound is an award-winning, patented and patents-pending
technology in sound reproduction that employs ultrasonic tones in a new
process to produce an extremely directional audible sound column in the
air. Audible sound is created only when the column encounters a person or
surface, up to several hundred feet from the source. For the first time,
users can place sound exactly where they want it, rather than broadcasting
over a general area. This control over where sound is placed opens
opportunities for countless new applications for audio.


American Technology Corporation is shaping the future of sound by
developing and licensing its patented and patents-pending technology
portfolio which includes: the award-winning HSS(TM) (HyperSonic(TM) Sound
Technology) and SFT(TM) (Stratified Field(TM) Technology) as well as
MFW(TM) (Magnified Force(TM) Woofer); Jet Engine Noise Reduction system;
and FM Sounds(TM) consumer radio products. For more information on the
Company and its technologies and products visit www.atcsd.com.

# # #

Safe Harbor statement under the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of
1995: This press release contains forward-looking statements relating to
future performance, technology and product development that may impact on
future results and the future viability of the company. Actual results
could be affected or differ materially from those projected in the
forward-looking statements as a result of risk factors such as: future
products and results; technological shifts; potential technical
difficulties that could delay new products and technology; competition;
general economic conditions in the markets in which the company operates;
the ability of the company, its customers, and suppliers to become Year
2000 compliant; pricing pressures; and the uncertainty of market acceptance
of new products by OEMs and end-user customers.



CONTACTS:
American Technology Corp.   Bath Iron Works
Robert Putnam or Wendy Ravenel  A General Dynamics Company
(858) 679-2114  Kenneth Winter
[EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] (207) 442-2641



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13114 Evening Creek Drive South
San Diego, CA 92128
(858) 679-2114 PHONE
(858) 679-0545 FAX
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Now, China gets uranium
Clinton approves transfer that could
help Beijing's weapons production

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By Charles Smith
© 1999 WorldNetDaily.com

The Clinton administration has approved the shipment to Communist China of
uranium U-235 -- the nuclear isotope used in the atomic bomb that was
exploded over Hiroshima in 1945.
According to official statements from the Department of Energy and the
Nuclear Regulatory Commission, a public notice for the approval was published
in the Federal Register Oct. 15. NRC spokesman Ron Hauber confirmed that the
NRC approved the transfer after being "consulted" by the Department of
Energy.

"This is a transfer of American U-235 previously sold to Germany," stated
Hauber. "The Germans consulted with the Department of Energy and the NRC
through EURATOM, the European atomic energy agency. The Germans requested
permission to sell the U-235 to China. The NRC approved with no objection,
but the actual transfer and oversight is the responsibility of the Department
of Energy."

According to the public notice, the Department of Energy proposed the uranium
be transferred as part of a "'subsequent arrangement' under the Agreement for
Cooperation in the Peaceful Uses of Nuclear Energy Between the United States
of America and the European Atomic Energy Community (EURATOM)."

However, the re-transfer to China is being approved under a similar
"Agreement for Cooperation Between the Government of the United States of
America and the Government of the People's Republic of China Concerning the
Peaceful Uses of Nuclear Energy."

Specifically, the Department of Energy notice states that the Germans sought
"the retransfer of 32,574 grams of slightly irradiated fuel spheres
containing 5,456.145 grams of the isotope U-235 (16.76 percent enrichment)
from EURATOM (Germany) to the People's Republic of China." According to the
Energy statement, the U-235 will be transferred "for use as research material
in the 10 megawatt High Temperature Gas-cooled Reactor (HTR-10) which is
being constructed at the Institute of Nuclear Energy Technology (INET) in
Beijing, China."

China is unlikely to use the U-235 isotope for weapons. The low percentage
(16.76 percent) of uranium U-235 fissionable material being sold is far below
the 95 percent required to manufacture a bomb. And China is reported to be
capable of generating enough nuclear material to equip over 800 nuclear
weapons currently in its stockpile.

However, atomic industry insiders consider the transfer of the U-235
"unique." The 16.76 percentage of the atomic isotope is over three times
higher than the 5 percent normally used for commercial power reactors. Yet it
is also considered an unusually "low content" for a normal research nuclear
plant.

So how will the U-235 be put to use by the Chinese?

The HTR-10 plant is under the control of the Institute of Nuclear Energy
Technology in Beijing. But INET is also directly associated with China
National Nuclear Corporation, a manufacturer of nuclear weapons, and the
China Academy of Physics, the PLA weapons design bureau for all Chinese
nuclear bombs.

The U-235 was originally transferred from Germany to Switzerland for
"fabrication into graphite-coated fuel spheres" and returned to Germany,
according to the Department of Energy statement. The use of graphite and the
size of the Chinese HTR-10 nuclear reactor have raised questions about
whether the facility is capable of creating plutonium -- the element used in
most modern nuclear weapons.

Nuclear reactors that create plutonium from U-235 isotopes are called
"breeder" reactors. China reportedly does not have a "breeder" reactor. Other
potential uses for the HTR design include military nuclear power for
warships, beam-weapon anti-missile defenses and military weapons production.

The Department of Energy has so far not answered questions about the uranium
transfer. Trisha Dedik, Department of Energy director for International
Policy and Analysis Division, Office of Arms Control and Nonproliferation,
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[CTRL] [Future-Cities] The State of Larouche. (fwd)

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On Sat, 16 Jan 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>   MODERATOR: DENNIS SMALL
>   GUESTS VIA VIDEOTAPE: HELGA ZEPP LAROUCHE
>   JOSE LOPEZ PORTILLO, FORMER PRESIDENT OF MEXICO, SENIOR
> STATESMAN
>   LYNDON LAROUCHE, ECONOMIST AND STATESMAN

If Larouche is a "statesman" perhaps he can describe for us just one small
city-state modelled on his theories. That was the essence of my letter
published in the New Federalist in 1994 and I was promised an answer by
Mrs. Spannaus. I am still waiting. By contrast we will compare it with
what Walt Disney might have done with EPCOT City and the Reedy Creek
Improvement District in Florida as we have a Disney scholar on the
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[CTRL] EIR Talks Special: Eurasian Landbridge New Hope VS New Dark AGE (fwd)

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MODERATOR: DENNIS SMALL
GUESTS VIA VIDEOTAPE: HELGA ZEPP LAROUCHE
JOSE LOPEZ PORTILLO, FORMER PRESIDENT OF MEXICO, SENIOR
STATESMAN
LYNDON LAROUCHE, ECONOMIST AND STATESMAN

   Eurasian Land-Bridge: New Hope vs. a New Dark Age

MODERATOR:  Welcome to "EIR Talks" for Jan. 14, 1999. This
show will consist of excerpts from the upcoming EIR videoreport
entitled "The Eurasian Land-Bridge: New Hope vs. a New Dark
Age."  Your host for this show will be {Executive Intelligence
Review} Ibero-American editor, Dennis Small.  He will present
speeches by Helga Zepp LaRouche, Lyndon LaRouche, and former
Mexican President Jose Lopez Portillo.

DENNIS SMALL: 1998 was the year in which the international
financial crisis exploded on the world scene in a visible
fashion. Country after country, from Indonesia to South Korea,
Russia to Brazil, the international financial system went into a
major world crisis. It happened in a way and with the timing, and
in a fashion that had been forecast for decades by the leading
American economist and statesman, Lyndon LaRouche.
Now, as we enter 1999, in this year, that international
financial crisis is going to crash like a tidal wave over the
United States itself, and over Europe. But this is not only a
financial crisis or an economic crisis. This is a civilizational
crisis. This is a crisis in which the values, the moral
questions, the financial issues, the political institutions, are
all being swept aside by this tidal wave.
Humanity is poised at the edge of an abyss. And over that
abyss, is a New Dark Age, like that of the Fourteenth Century,
when half of humanity disappeared. That will be the future of
humanity, unless -- and that "unless" is the topic of this
videoreport today.
There is an alternative to this New Dark Age, and to this
international financial crisis. It is an alternative that is
being put together under the leadership of China, with other
nations such as Russia, India, and nations of Asia such as
Malaysia participating as well.
It is an alliance of sovereign nation-states that are saying
"no" to speculation, "no" to globalization, "no" to
British-sponsored free trade, and are instead rebuilding their
economies in a sovereign fashion around productivity, around
investment in technology and science, and most significantly,
around a global infrastructure project which is called the
Eurasian Land-Bridge.
The Eurasian Land-Bridge is not just an idea, it is being
built today. And it is a project which must be joined by the
United States and by other nations of the world, if we are to
avoid a plunge into a New Dark Age.
That political fight, to build a coalition of forces, an
alliance internationally, to build the Eurasian Land-Bridge, has
been prominently promoted internationally by Lyndon and Helga
LaRouche. In country after country, continent after continent,
through their direct travels and activities, they have been
building the coalition of forces that is necessary to put an end
to the British oligarchical speculative system.
For example, in April 1996, the LaRouches travelled to
Russia, where they presented these ideas of the Land-Bridge, and
the underlying economic policy issues that must be behind such a
great infrastructure project to leading economic policies
thinkers in Russia -- policy thinkers who today, are playing a
prominent role around the Primakov government of Russia.
More recently, in November 1998, Helga Zepp LaRouche was
invited by the government of China to participate in an
international conference on the Eurasian Land-Bridge, which was
held in four cities in that country. Then, in December 1998, she
travelled to Mexico to report on these breakthrough developments
to audiences in that country, and to broaden the alliance of
forces to include emphatically the United States and its close
neighbors such as Mexico, around the concept of the Eurasian
Land-Bridge.
In many of these countries, from Russia to China to Mexico
to Brazil, increasing numbers of political forces of influence
are calling on the world and on U.S. President Bill Clinton in
particular, to listen to the wise words of Lyndon LaRouche, in
order to get out of this financial crisis.
Mrs. LaRouche reported on the matter in the following
fashion to one of her many audiences in Mexico in December of
1998.

(Helga Zepp LaRouche on videotape, in Mexico, 1998)

HELGA ZEPP LAROUCHE: It is extremely important that I report
to you about an alternative which is shaping up. While on the one
side, there is a grave danger that civilization is plunging int

Re: [CTRL] JFK MURDER SOLVED - The truth after 35 years . . .

[YnrChyldzWyld]

 -Caveat Lector-

On Sun, 17 Jan 1999, Agent Smiley wrote:
>In every mainstream airing I have seen of the famous second shot, a zoom is
>shown and NOT the broader view.  Only once have I seen this film outside the
>mainstream media and here the whole view was visible.  Incidentally, from what
>I have heard, the 3 or 4 individuals actually standing near enough to see this
>are no longer alive.

No, there were a couple of people across the street who had a direct line
of site, a father with his son, and a woman and her girlfriend...all are
still alive and were interviewed in a recent JFK assassination
documentary...

The father, quite understandably, thru his son to the ground on first
hearing the shots, and placed himself over his son's body to protect the
kid...so other than the initial shot, he didn't SEE much of anything
else...but he DID testify to a bullet or bullets hitting the curb by him,
which throws the whole Warren Commission scenario out the window...

The woman with her friend happened to have a movie camera, and so a
SECOND film of the assassination exists (or did, at one time), and
showing it from the opposite point of view than Zapruder's...but good
citizen that she was, she called the FBI immediately and allowed them to
take her camera with the film still inside...a few days later, they
returned her camera, sans film...and that, as they say, was that...

But even tho that film has taken a powder, she and her friend were still
watching, and didn't mention seeing the driver shoot Kennedy...


>secret service agents were calm throughout.  When Jackie is seen to be making
>a break for it, a secret service agent is seen sternly direcing her to get
>back in it.

Jackie was NOT 'making a break for it'...according to her own account,
she climbed out onto the back of the limo to retrieve a sizeable portion
of her husband's brain, and stated that the thought of getting out of the
limo never entered her mind...

The secret service agent from the rear car jumped onto the trunk of the
limo just as Jackie was gathering up Jack's brains and bits of skull,
ostensibly in an attempt to protect the occupants (one would presume
Jackie in particular)...nothing ostensibly ominous about it...


>Was the limo really deemed the safest place for her, given the
>fact that the shots were all being directed at it?

Why not?  What was she supposed to do, jump out onto the street and
become a STANDING target?


>Go ahead folks.  Bring it on.  Start with character assination and name
>calling and attempts at discrediting.

No need for all that.

While I admit that there's a big question as to why the limo driver seems
to have been inordinately slow in deciding to get their collective asses
out of there, THAT is as far as I will go in granting the driver may have
been part of the conspiracy...I feel there were enough professional
assassins in the crowd, they didn't need the driver to blatantly shoot
JFK in the open like that...

Besides, if the driver DID shoot, why didn't Jackie or either of the
Connallys notice it?


>I challenge all to tell me why I shouldn't report this here.

'Report' away...it DOES fall under the auspices of 'conspiracy
research'...just be prepared to take your lumps, when others challenge
your conclusions...


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[CTRL] The Great Betrayal Part 3

[Bill Richer]

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APOCALYPSE NOW
Fear and loathing in Vietnam
Part 3 of WND's investigative report
on betrayal of Hmong tribe

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By Anthony C. LoBaido
© 1999 WorldNetDaily.com

Editor's Note: This is the third and final installment of Anthony C.
LoBaido's investigative series on the Hmong hill tribes of Laos and Vietnam.
During the past year, WorldNetDaily's roving international reporter has
traveled extensively throughout Laos, Thailand and Vietnam to document the
fate of the Hmong, who served in the CIA Special Forces during the Vietnam
war, when around 20,000 Hmong men, women and children were killed. After the
war, more than 100,000 Hmong fled to Thailand-based refugee camps, where they
languished -- invisible to the Western media -- under brutal Thai guards,
until being forcibly repatriated to Laos, where they faced certain death.
Paid for almost exclusively with American tax dollars, this ongoing
repatriation, carried out by the United Nations and Thai military, was the
subject of Part 1. In Part 2, LoBaido took readers through a dangerous trip
to Laos, revealing the "dirty little secrets" long harbored there, while
uncovering the current status of the anti-Communist Hmong.



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DIEN BIEN PHU, Vietnam -- Tucked neatly away in the northwest corner of
Vietnam, the town of Dien Bien Phu holds a tremendous fascination for both
the French and the Vietnamese Communists.

It was in this town that, on May 6, 1954, after a 57-day siege, Vietnamese
forces finally overwhelmed the French Foreign Legion. That victory -- ending
French rule in Indochina forever -- also opened the door to a floodgate of
war, genocide and persecution of Christians in Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos
that continues to this day.

Dien Bien Phu is also the site of a Hmong Christian community, on the run
from persecution by the rabidly anti-Christian, Communist government of
Vietnam.

"The French are the people of Joan of Arc. The French empire had its faults,
but it was Christian-based. They built roads, hospitals and schools," says
Nathan Vann, a historian and teacher hailing from the Hmong tribe of northern
Vietnam. "What does the new colonialism of Nike and Coca-Cola do for anyone,
except take their money?"
One of many tunnels used by the Viet Cong during the Vietnam war.

As he speaks, the sound of Christian hymns fills the air around the church.
An armed militia stands watch outside the simple facility near the
Laos-Vietnam border, prepared to repel attacks by Communist government
forces.

"The Communists fear Christians for the same reasons the Romans, Nazis and
even liberals in America do today. We have a long-term view of life. Our
allegiance is to God and His Son Jesus Christ -- not to the state. We are not
afraid to die for our faith. And we can fight like Christian soldiers if
pushed too far," says Vann.

Like the Jews of the World War II era, the Hmong have faced biochemical
genocide at the hands of a tyrannical foe. The use of "Yellow Rain," a deadly
Soviet-made toxin has been well documented in neighboring Laos by medical and
military experts.

Yet the Hmong have had no voice to bring their plight to the world's
attention. The Khmer Rouge of Cambodia were exposed in the Hollywood film,
"The Killing Fields," and numerous films like "Apocalypse Now," "Full Metal
Jacket" and even "Forrest Gump" have educated the American public about the
Vietnam War. But the plight of the Hmong has remained a secret.

As for the aforementioned "Yellow Rain," despite overwhelming evidence of
both chemical and biological warfare employed against the Hmong, Vann says,
"the State Department turned a blind eye to this blatant violation of the
Geneva Convention. Furthermore, they didn't even include these genocidal acts
in their annual reports. Instead, they invented stories about bee pollen and
bee feces as a cover for the Soviet-sponsored biochemical warfare."

As a man might race past a car wreck to cash a paycheck at the bank, the
Western transnational financial community has chosen to finance the Marxist
Mekong Delta regimes of Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia while ignoring the
widespread persecution of the Hmong.

"Madeleine Albright recently visited Vietnam to open a new U.S. consulate and
endorse a wide-reaching trade accord," adds Vann, who lost his wife and two
children during the war against the Communists.

"How can she do this? This woman is only alive because the British gave her
Jewish parents refuge from the Nazi regime in Eastern Europe. Yet she has the
audacity to embrace these Communists who butcher innocent Christians. Where
is the outrage of American and French Christians?"
An old Hmong woman sells handicrafts in a Hanoi market.

The 'Tribulation Force'
The Asian Hmong culture is basically agrarian i

[CTRL] Fwd: y2k

[Agent Smiley]

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>
>
>
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> ---
>  HOUSEHOLD & NEIGHBORHOOD PREPAREDNESS
>
>  Boulder County, Colorado, provides an excellent example of community
>  preparation for Y2K. We present here their story, followed by the
>  guidelines developed by Boulder County Y2K Community Preparedness Group
>  (BCY2K), which include meeting agendas, a flyer, a speech, and forms you
>  may copy and fill out. Thanks to Kathy Garcia and BCY2K for sharing this
>  information with all of us.
>
>  --The editors
>
>
>
>  What Has Been Accomplished
>  in Boulder County
>  By Kathy Garcia, Margo King, and John Steiner
>  We kicked off our Y2K Community Preparedness campaign with a free
>  conference at the University of Colorado, Boulder Campus, from August 20
>  through 23, 1998. The conference was cosponsored by the City of Boulder,
>  the University of Colorado, and the Cassandra Project. Present at the
>  conference were national experts on Y2K, including: Jim Lord, Roleigh
>  Martin, Doug Carmichael, Meg Wheatley, Paloma O'Riley, Cathy Moyer,
>  Steve Davis and Rabbi Zalman Schachter Shalomi. The conference was
>  attended by 700 people from across the United States.
>
>  On Monday, August 24, 1998, we met for the first time with the Multiple
>  Agency Coordinating System (MACS), which is led by the Office of
>  Emergency Management for Boulder County. Boulder County consists of nine
>  cities/towns, each with its own municipal government. Each town has
>  representatives on MACS from fire and police departments, along with
>  representatives from Red Cross, planning department, risk management,
>  University of Colorado, school districts. We now have three citizen
>  members sitting on MACS who are working with the community to prepare
>  for Y2K or any other disaster that may strike.
>
>  We have had educational Y2K meetings with the following groups:
>
>  1. Growers/farmers: asking for their assistance in encouraging
>  individual gardening, harvest, storage, collection of seeds, and
>  canning; and assisting farmers on how to get water to irrigate their
>  fields.
>
>  2. Religious community: asking for their assistance as possible shelters
>  in the neighborhoods where they are located and educating their
>  congregations.
>
>  3. Hispanic community leaders: working to get information to local
>  Spanish television and radio to educate the Hispanic community in the
>  Denver Metro area.
>
>  4. Hospitals: working with Boulder Community Hospital to set up a
>  conference to educate medical personnel on Y2K and its impact on
>  medications for patients (some HMOs only allow a 30-day supply), and
>  inform them on the readiness of the hospital. BCH was also asked to work
>  with two other large hospitals in Boulder County to share what they
>  learned about their bio-med equipment and software.
>
>  5. Human Service Agencies have been asked to educate their clients about
>  Y2K and help them hook up to neighborhood preparedness groups.
>
>  6. Youth from around the county are joining the efforts by becoming
>  Certified Emergency Response Team members to help in all disasters, as
>  well as assisting to weatherize the homes or trailers of elderly and
>  low-income families.
>
>  Some wonderful things have happened here.
>
>  1. The City of Boulder has joined forces with our preparedness group by
>  advocating with the university for free office space; holding a joint
>  press conference to outline the "community plan" for 1999; allowing us
>  to use city stationery to convey information about Y2K meetings
>  throughout Boulder County, city FYI line to convey information about Y2K
>  meetings.
>
>  2. "How To" meetings have been held throughout the county. (See the
>  format description that follows.)
>
>  3. A town meeting was held on October 4 that included representatives
>  from Public Service (utilities), US West (telephone), City of Boulder,
>  Office of Emergency Management, The Cassandra Project, and Boulder
>  Community Hospital. The meeting was attended by more than 400 people who
>  applauded when Chief Stern of the OEM told people they needed to
>  individually prepare and then prepare their neighborhoods. Somehow folks
>  were waiting for permission to act. The biggest message sent by the
>  citizens was "I want the truth" not "everything will be okay" or "we are
>  handling it." Future town meetings will be held every other month.
>
>  4. A rhythm of meetings in each municipality is now in place, from
>  orientation (what is Y2K), to a neighborhood congress (how to conduct
>  meetings), to open meetings (task forces present information to
>  community on food preparedness, companies selling products, and so
>  forth), to community coordinator meetings (coordinators for each
>  municipality get together to fill each other in on what is going on,
>  support needed, and idea sharing).
>
>  5. We have coo

Re: [CTRL] JFK MURDER SOLVED - The truth after 35 years . . .

[Agent Smiley]

 -Caveat Lector-

In a message dated 1/17/99 3:18:33 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> Other
>  prints, most recently the digitally enhanced version on the "Image of an
>  Assassination" video, show clearly that this is not happening.

I like the phrase 'digitally enhanced.'  At any rate, where can I see this
'digitally enhanced' video or get a copy of it?

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[CTRL] Global Distillation

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about if we were to keep our current diet and live in the Arctic?
 
 
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[CTRL] U.S. Medical Journal Editor Fired Over Sex Item

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>  U.S. Medical Journal Editor Fired Over Sex Item
>
> CHICAGO (Reuters) - The American Medical Association on Friday fired
> the editor of its journal for publishing an item on how college
> students define oral sex, timed to appear in the midst of President
> Clinton's impeachment trial.
>
> The article, which will run in the Jan. 20 issue of the AMA Journal,
> reported that 60 percent of U.S. college students in a survey taken
>  in
> 1991 did not define oral sex as sexual relations.
>
> The AMA said its leadership fired editor George Lundberg, because he
> had inappropriately injected the journal into the Clinton impeachment
> debate, threatening its integrity.
>
> Clinton's definition of sex is a key issue in the debate over whether
> he lied about his relationship with former intern Monica Lewinsky.
>
> Lundberg had been editor for 17 years.
>
> ``Through his recent actions (he) has threatened the historic
> tradition and integrity of the Journal of the American Medical
> Association by inappropriately and inexcusably interjecting (the
> journal) into a major political debate that has nothing to do with
> science or medicine. This is unacceptable,'' said E. Ratcliffe
> Anderson, executive vice president of the medical group.
>
> ``The AMA has a responsibility to the medical profession, our
>  patients
> and to the country to ensure that the editorial decisions of the
> world's most trusted medical journal are based on science and the
> highest standards of the medical profession,'' he added.
>
> Anderson said that Lundberg had done much over the years to advance
> the stature of the magazine but ``Over time ... I have lost
>  confidence
> and trust in Dr. Lundberg's ability to preserve that high level of
> credibility and integrity.''
>
> The article in question came from the Kinsey Institute for Research
>  in
> Sex, Gender and Reproduction, located at Indiana University. It was
> titled ``Would You Say You 'Had Sex' If'' and stated that it was
>  being
> published in the context of ``the current debate regarding whether
> oral sex constitutes have 'had sex' or sexual relations ...''
>
> The survey of 600 U.S. undergraduate students found that 60 percent
> said they would not say they ``had sex'' if it was oral-genital
> contact.
>
> The Jan. 20 issue of the journal is already in print and had been
> circulated to news organizations.




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Friday January 15 1:25 PM ET

U.S. Medical Journal Editor Fired Over Sex Item

   CHICAGO (Reuters) - The American Medical Association on Friday fired
   the editor of its journal for publishing an item on how college
   students define oral sex, timed to appear in the midst of President
   Clinton's impeachment trial.

   The article, which will run in the Jan. 20 issue of the AMA Journal,
   reported that 60 percent of U.S. college students in a survey taken
in
   1991 did not define oral sex as sexual relations.

   The AMA said its leadership fired editor George Lundberg, because he
   had inappropriately injected the journal into the Clinton impeachment
   debate, threatening its integrity.

   Clinton's definition of sex is a key issue in the debate over whether
   he lied about his relationship with former intern Monica Lewinsky.

   Lundberg had been editor for 17 years.

   ``Through his recent actions (he) has threatened the historic
   tradition and integrity of the Journal of the American Medical
   Association by inappropriately and inexcusably interjecting (the
   journal) into a major political debate that has nothing to do with
   science or medicine. This is unacceptable,'' said E. Ratcliffe
   Anderson, executive vice president of the medical group.

   ``The AMA has a responsibility to the medical profession, our
patients
   and to the country to ensure that the editorial decisions of the
   world's most trusted medical journal are based on science and the
   highest standards of the medical profession,'' he added.

   Anderson said that Lundberg had done much over the years to advance
   the stature of the magazine but ``Over time ... I have lost
confidence
   and trust in Dr. Lundberg's ability to preserve that high level of
   credibility and integrity.''

   The article in question came from the Kinsey Institute for Research
in
   Sex, Gender and Reproduction, located at Indiana University. It was
   titled ``Would You Say You 'Had Sex' If'' and stated that it was
being
   published in the context of ``the current debate regarding whether
   oral sex constitutes have 'had sex' or sexual relations ...''

   The survey of 600 U.S. undergraduate students found that 60 percent
   said they would not say they ``had sex'' if it was oral-genital
   cont

Re: [CTRL] Libertarians: The Cult of Liberty

[Agent Smiley]

 -Caveat Lector-

In a message dated 1/17/99 11:51:35 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> > Is the Libertarians ultimate value really even Liberty?  It seems that
what
>  > they really seek is selfish gratification of various vices and the
freedom
>  > to partake in those vices.  This is NOT liberty but rather licentiousness
>  > and avarice.  This is what happens when freedom is not tempered by virtue
>  > and a moral standard.
>
>  You got that right.
Liberty is not liberty if defined by those who seek to limit the bahavior of
those who do not harm or take.  THAT is often referred to as not having a life
of one's own.

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Re: [CTRL] JFK MURDER SOLVED - The truth after 35 years . . .

[Agent Smiley]

 -Caveat Lector-

In a message dated 1/17/99 10:20:40 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:

> I don't get it. How could the driver shoot the president without anyone
> seeing
>  him? Did I read this correctly, or did I misinterpret what you wrote?
>  Please clarify, this is very interesting. Thanks-JOHN
>
In every mainstream airing I have seen of the famous second shot, a zoom is
shown and NOT the broader view.  Only once have I seen this film outside the
mainstream media and here the whole view was visible.  Incidentally, from what
I have heard, the 3 or 4 individuals actually standing near enough to see this
are no longer alive.

The gun rested on the driver's shoulder and at the fatal moment, it was only
slightly lifted and aimed.  A second or two prior to this, the secret service
agent that sat in the passenger seat is seen to look calmly back at the
president, who had already been shot once, and calmly turn back around
speaking something to the driver.  Within a second, the driver lifts his gun
from his right shoulder, where it had been held by his left hand while his
left arm lay cross ways across his chest.  There was very little movement on
his part.  When the president is being shot at, anyone looking for any sense
of what in the hell is going on would be searching the crowd for a gunman or
looking at the president to see if he is alright.  They are unlikely to notice
the DRIVER lifting his hand about four inches.  In this version of the film, a
cloud of gas is seen being expelled from the barrel of the gun and at that
exact instant Kennedy's face is removed from his head.

I suspect that when the agent in the passenger seat was speaking to the driver
that he was giving the location of the president's head in relation to the
driver.  Isn't it interesting that during the whole shooting spree, the driver
never thought to push the pedal to the metal and get the hell out of there.
Even without this key view that I speak of, it is obvious that all of the
secret service agents were calm throughout.  When Jackie is seen to be making
a break for it, a secret service agent is seen sternly direcing her to get
back in it.  Was the limo really deemed the safest place for her, given the
fact that the shots were all being directed at it?  It could be, IF the secret
service already knew that the job had been completed.

Go ahead folks.  Bring it on.  Start with character assination and name
calling and attempts at discrediting.  I challenge all to tell me why I
shouldn't report this here.  Incidentally, I backed this video up and
forwarded it enough times to witness this about forty times.  Some time ago,
someone sent me to a website that was supposed to let me know what really
happened in response to an allusion that the driver was complicit and a
murderer, a political assassin.  At this site, I saw an image of the very
situation I here describe and I saw the gun.  Apparently, the photo was not
intended.  I reported to the webmaster that that very photo contradicted his
take on it and now the website no longer exists.  

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[CTRL] EDD: Imminent and Inevitable!!!

[Franklin Wayne Poley]

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>-- Forwarded message --
>Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 13:53:14 -0800 (PST)
>From: Franklin Wayne Poley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>To: brent rooney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>Subject: [BCPolitics] Re: check out this website:
www.letterstoleaders.com
> (made in Canada !!!)
>
>From: Franklin Wayne Poley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>On Thu, 18 Nov 1999, brent rooney wrote:
>
>> 
>>
>
>Thank you, Sir. An excellent resource which provides forms to email
>various elected officials across Canada.
>   Also have a look at http://www.vote.com for States-side use which
>allows people to vote on various issues and the vote is then sent to the
>elected officials.
>   Now Reform-Canada tells us they are vitally committed to direct
>democracy (which in this age becomes EDD-Electronic Direct Democracy). So
>much so that they SIGN a commitment to it! And they also have Ted White's
>Bill C-229 on "binding, citizen-initiated referendum and recall" which
>spells out what they mean by DD.
>   But you really have to wonder about this "carrot in front of the
>donkey" game they are playing. And it looks like people are wise to
>it...tired of politicians treating them like donkies so Reform is
>disintegrating. Enter the "United Alternative" bailout.
>   Too bad though. Reform BC's caucus holds most of the seats in BC and
>could build on the web sites above to create an EDD here. Just expand the
>community nets like VCN into all communities so everyone has access and
>voila! Manning, Randy White and Scott say they want the Nisga'a Treaty
>stopped. But do they care what the citizens of BC want? If they did, they
>could put such a system in place all over BC pretty fast. They hold most
>of the federal seats here.
>   Gotta wonder when this Constitutionally guaranteed "democratic society"
>is going to start.
>FWP.
>
>
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[CTRL] Formaldehyde

[L. Shipton]

I get posts from a lot of lists and this seems 
to follow the thread that I have started
It seem to deal primarily 
with Formaldehyde in homes, particularly new homes.
Fwd: Formaldehyde
 
This showed up on a list for Vaccine-dissenting parents in PA!!!How 
many of these names do we know?>Study flags new formaldehyde 
risks>>Chemical>found in permanent>press 
shirts,>other products>>  Do you suspect the 
preservatives in your new carpet of turning your house>plants brown? Does 
that smell mysteriously flash you back to the frog you>dissected in 
Chemistry 101? If so, you might be exposed to formaldehyde. A>new study 
finds that the chemical, known to be unhealthy at high>concentrations and 
in poorly ventilated spaces, is found in many household>products — 
from permanent press shirts and bed linens to most 
home-building>materials.> SIX YEARS AGO, Daliya Robson was a 
successful real estate agent, showing>homes overlooking the spectacular 
coastlines and tucked in the woods around>Santa Cruz, Calif. But in the 
course of previewing the desirable area’s new>homes and properties 
— freshly built with new wood-flooring finishes,>cabinets, 
insulation and carpets — she became very 
ill.>   “I would come into these 
homes and be overwhelmed by the smells —>houses that had been 
locked up but which had been newly treated with all>sorts of 
products,” she says. “Most of them, I found out, were 
toxic>chemicals, and they really did me in.” Her symptoms included 
burning eyes>and skin, allergies, headache, dizziness and 
disorientation.>   Robson, now in her 
early 60s, believes her problems stem from>exposures to formaldehyde and 
related chemicals. She became so chemically>sensitized that she was 
forced to leave her job and drastically rearrange>her life, to the point 
of refurnishing her home and seeking medical help.>“The smell was 
too much in these newly built houses and now I’ve been forced>to 
live in an older senior citizen home,” she 
says.>   But she adds, “I’m 
doing remarkably better than many people.” Robson>has been in touch 
with more than 9,000 people experiencing similar symptoms>through the 
hotline (800-968-9355) she started in 1992.>>A GROWING 
PROBLEM?>   “Formaldehyde is 
probably the top indoor air quality troublemaker,”>according to 
Thomas J. Kelly, a chemist at the Battelle Memorial Institute>in 
Columbus, Ohio, and author of a new study of the chemical commissioned 
by>the California Air Resources Board. The study, described in the 
January>issue of Environmental Science and Technology, a journal 
published by the>American Chemical Society, is the first of its kind in 
more than 15 years.>   The 
chemical’s ability to trigger health problems and allergies 
has>become well known in the housing industry during the last 10 years, 
says Don>Bremner, vice president of Restoration Environmental Contractors 
in Toronto>and Tampa, Fla., a company that removes formaldehyde from 
homes. “A lot of>people are sensitized that weren’t years 
ago.”>> How safe is your 
house?>>   Formaldehyde is a 
base product in most home products, including>cabinets, insulation, 
counters, wallpapers and finishes, says Bremner. But>the Battelle study 
is the first to extensively test a whole range of>household products, 55 
in total.>   The institute’s 
chemists “chamber-tested” each product by placing>them in a 
closet-sized chamber for 24 hours. They then measured the>formaldehyde in 
the air.>   By far, the highest emitter 
was an acid-cured wood floor finish that>gives floors a glossy shine. 
Fingernail hardeners and polishes were among>the highest-emitters in the 
category of wet products. Other relatively high>emissions came from 
freshly applied interior latex 
paint.>   Among dry products, certain 
permanent press items, such as shirts,>pillow and linens, gave off 
“surprisingly high” emissions because of the>coatings applied 
to them, says Kelly.>   “These 
products have not been tested as extensively as have pressed>wood 
products, particle board, plywood and other construction 
materials,”>says Kelly. The new study “fills the gap” 
by determining the rates of>formaldehyde fumes emitted from a wide 
spectrum of products used by>consumers and found in typical California 
homes and offices, he says.>   
“People should be aware of how many different products contain 
these>chemicals because it’s up to them to minimize their 
exposures,” says Kelly.>   The 
good news, says the chemist, is that many products, such as 
wood>products, emit lower levels than in the past; the industry has 
adopted some>voluntary standards to bring emissions down. However, the 
Battelle study>found that the urea-formaldehyde particleboard tested did 
not meet that>standard.>>A COMMON 
CHEMICAL>   Formaldehyde has long been 
regarded as an important industrial>chemical, involved in so many 
industries that it is thought to contribute a>major segment of the U.S. 
gross national p

[CTRL] Formaldehyde

[L. Shipton]

Forwared:  From ADD Holistic
List owner Mark 
Gold
 
Hi!I forwarded that abstract about magnesium deficiency in ADHD 
children and significant improvement after supplementation to Dr. Russell 
Blaylock. (I also forwarded to him another abstract that he refers 
to.)  I thought his comments would be of interest to the 
list:Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 16:17:45 -0500From: "Russell 
Blaylock, M.D." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Subject: 
Re: Magnesium and ADD/ADHD>Ann Acad Med Stetin 
1998;44:297-314>The aim of my work was the answer to the following 
questions: how often does>the deficiency of magnesium, copper, zinc, 
calcium, iron occur among>hyperactive children in comparison with healthy 
children, deficiency of whichThank you for passing the paper 
along.It has been something that I suspected all along. A group working out 
ofCovington, La that I work with asked me about excitotoxins and ADD and 
Isuggested that they add magnesium supplimentation to their protecol. 
Theyhave found it to be very helpful. As you know, magnesium acts by 
blockingthe voltage gated NMDA receptor physiologically. Magnesium 
deficiency isvery common because of poor diets and use of carbonated soft 
drinks. I haveresearched most of the papers concerned with magnesium and 
neurologicalfunction and have found it to be one of the most 
remarkableneuroprotectants. I use it on all of my surgical cases, especially 
withbrain trauma, subarachnoid hemorrhages and strokes with great 
success.unfortunately, most neurosurgeons do not use it.I also 
appreciate the abstract you sent me concerning formaldehydeformation from 
NutraSweet esposure. It was a very interesting paper, thatdemonstrates that 
formaldehyde formation from aspartame ingestion is verycommon and does 
indeed accumulate within the cell, reacting with cellularproteins ( mostly 
enzymes) and DNA ( both mitochondrial and nuclear). Thefact that it 
accumulates with each dose, indicates grave consequences amongthose who 
consume diet drinks and foodstuffs on a daily basis.I have also 
discovered that MSG excitotoxicity is greatly magnified in thepresence of 
lead. This would  have importance in children with ADD havingelevated 
tissue lead levels. Likewise, recent studies have shown that MSGdramatically 
elevates free radical generation within all tissues, not justbrain, and that 
it does so for a prolonged periods of time following even asingle dose. The 
importance of this observation is that this would alsoraise the likelihood 
of cancer induction in several exposed tissues,including brain, by oncogene 
activation by said free radicals.It is unfortunate that so few in the 
field of ADDand ADHD care givingunderstand the central importance of 
excitotoxins. Many of the treatmentthat I have seen relate back to 
excitotoxicity, despite other explinationsbeing given. For example, the 
Feingold diet. Close adherence to the dieteleminates many excitotoxins from 
the diet. I suspect this is why it worksso well. Remember, excitotoxins 
interplay with many neurotransmitters,stimulate free radical production, 
damage brain lipids, interact with manytrace metals,  and that elevated 
intake of excitotoxins is associated witheicosanoid injury to neurons, which 
would explain thier relationship toomega-3-fatty acids. These are very 
powerful substances and not only canthey kill neurons, but they affect their 
physiology and even braindevelopment itself.[followup 
comments]With the newer studies linking excitotoxicity with free 
radicalgeneration, I think it will be very difficult for those selling these 
toxinto defend them as safe much longer. I am especially concerned because 
thefree radical generation caused by excitotoxins is so prolonged. It must 
berelated to all degenerative diseases, including cancer. In the case 
ofaspartame, the effects of formaldehyde on cellular proteins and DNA 
(oncogene activation and p53 tumor suppressor gene alteration) 
inconjunction with free radical generation would certainly lead to a 
highincidence of neuronal dysfunction. I think this is why I receive so 
manycalls from young women who have developed brain tumors ( 
mostlyastrocytomas) following prolonged use of 
NutraSweet.RussellBest 
Wishes, 
- 
Mark  
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Re: [CTRL] A Civil Action - Fwd: Heath and Fitness newsletter has Water Filteration

[L. Shipton]

after reading CNN 
CNN "Water worries? -- The right filtration 
system may help"
http://cnn.com/TECH/science/9901/11/water.purifiers/index.html
I thought that it 
might be a good idea to post this.
I also posted some links that warn of fluoride reciently, if 
anyone
wants those again please tell me.
Laura
 
 
>X-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED]>X-Mailer: 
QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0>Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 13:11:21 
-0500>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]>From: betty 
martini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>Mailing-List: 
list [EMAIL PROTECTED]; contact 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Delivered-To: 
mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]>List-Unsubscribe: 
>Reply-to: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Subject: 
[aspartame] Re: Fwd: health and fitness newsletter  (NancyMarkle)  
Also, article on Stevia I wrote including the letter from the FDAto the 
Stevita Co mpany published in the Townsend Letter for Doctors, 
Jan,l999.>>From: betty martini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>>Charmelle 
I'm not knowledgeable of Steve's Health & Fitness Newsletter.  
If>you have the email can you write him and explain what happened and 
give him>the web sites for me.  > >Also, you 're 
so  good at finding out things about the stock market.>Anyway to 
find out how far Equal is down.  Last year it went down  17%, 
but>haven't heard this year.  They may not be admitting 
anymore.>>Incidently, if you remember I wrote about Stevia and i n 
cluded the a ctual>letter the FDA wrote to the Stevita Company asking 
them to destroy their>cookbooks, then wrote about Stevia and 
aspartame.  Someone saw it in some>medical library in New York 
published in the Townsend Letter for Doctors.>I get it  and looked 
it up  so I have it, but it was on email .    
>>Thanks so much.>>All my best,>BettyAt 12:26 
AM 1/16/99 -0500, you wrote:>>Hi all,>>I often don't get a 
chance to read this Fitness Newsletter Steve sends out,>>and I've 
never asked that it be stopped.  Tonight I decided to read it, 
and>>came across 2 things that caught my eye...one being the Water 
Softener>>article...and  one that preceded it.  YEP, Nancy 
Markle again !!  EPA>>Environmental Conf & Multiple 
Sclerosisetc...It made it into Steve's>>Health & Fitness 
Newsletter too !!>>  
Charmelle>>-->>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]>>Return-path: 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]>>Subject: Re: 
health and fitness newsletter>>Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 00:19:12 
EST>>Mime-Version: 1.0>>Content-type: text/plain; 
charset=US-ASCII>>Content-transfer-encoding: 
7bitIn a message dated 1/15/99 9:24:35 PM Central 
Standard Time, BODWISTEVE>>writes:<< 
About the reader asking about water softeners and salt: I work 
for>RainSoft>>water purification systems.  If your system 
happens to be a RainSoft, then>>every thing down to .0009 (9/10,000) 
microns is removed from your water.>This>>includes fluoride, 
and sodium chloride.  There is no detriment to 
youbecause>>you obtain .015% monofluorophosphate (fluoride) from 
using toothpaste.  As>for>>salt, with a purifier, you 
cannot get salt in your water from the use ofsalt>>to clean your 
system's resin.  However, if you have an ordinary 
softener,>then>>you may have intrusion from the regeneration 
cycles.   Subject: Water Softeners>>Dear 
Steve,>>I'd like to share some information that I learned in December 
of 1982.  I>>remember the date because I was in the hospital at 
the time recovering from>>Breast Cancer Surgery.  While I was 
watching TV, there was a portion of a>news>>show which was 
about Softened Water.  It told of how Softened Water, 
whenone>>takes it in, causes the body to Excrete All the Body's 
Zinc...a trace>mineral.>>I don't quite remember the 2 minerals 
mentioned, but I think one of them was>>vanadium.  The researcher 
said that when water is softened, and thehardening>>minerals are 
removed, there are other minerals removed also...thought to>be 
of>>no real importance ...but most don't realize that everything must 
bebalanced>>for one to have healthy chemistries in the body.  
He explained on the show>>that one of the minerals removed during 
softening...had a twin mineral...not>>surebut I remember him 
mentioning Vanadium...whether it is the one>removed>>or the one 
left behind, I'm not sure...but he explained that each of 
those>>minerals (twins or cousins so to speak), buffered each 
other.  So when the>>water was softened, and one was 
removed...the other when left behind was>Toxic>>to the 
body...so the kidneys immediately set out to rid the body of 
thetoxic>>mineral...so the mineral having bound to it's NEXT 
Closest>relative...which is>>Zinc..but still Toxic since it's 
Twin is missing to buffer itthe kidneys>>Do Excrete the toxic 
mineral along with the body's reserve of>Zinc.leading>>to 
Dangerous Illnessessuch as Prostate Problems, Fertility 
Problems,>>Female and Male Organ problems, Thyroid problems (my 
daughter Did develop>>Overactive Thyroid after we purchased our Water 
Softener), Kidney Problems,>>>

Re: [CTRL] JFK MURDER SOLVED - The truth after 35 years . . .

[Thomas, Kenneth F.]

 -Caveat Lector-

In shorthand: certain multi-generational copies of the Z film seem to show
the driver, William Greer, turning and shooting JFK with a .45. Other
prints, most recently the digitally enhanced version on the "Image of an
Assassination" video, show clearly that this is not happening. The
provenance and the extent of tampering with even the original print of the Z
film is still hotly debated in the research community, however. Add this to
the fact that Greer does slow the car down during the time of the shooting
and that photos exist of an FBI man picking up a .45 slug on the opposite
side of Elm just after the hit, and you can see why the driver-did-it theory
still circulates. The person who originally set out to investigate this,
Lars Hanssen, ultimately decided it was wrong. The person who popularized
the theory, William Cooper, apparently still believes it is right.

"Image of an Assassination" is available through the Konformist website,
btw, at http://www.konformist.com, or e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 1/17/99 9:20 AM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] JFK MURDER SOLVED - The truth after 35 years . . .

 -Caveat Lector-

I don't get it. How could the driver shoot the president without anyone
seeing
him? Did I read this correctly, or did I misinterpret what you wrote?
Please clarify, this is very interesting. Thanks-JOHN

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[CTRL] (Fwd) The Nation WTO Special Issue

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Dear EmailNation Subscriber,

Until recently, trade issues were the province of policy wonks and poli.
sci. nerds - and the experts and the lobbyists liked it that way. No
longer: Now it's a hot political issue. In 1995, a whole new trade regime
came into being with the birth of the World Trade Organization. The WTO
has vast powers to adjudicate trade disputes and invalidate regulations it
deems impediments to free trade. In effect, it's a form of world
government with virtually no popular accountability.

An important milestone in this new era of trade politics will be the WTO's
summit meeting opening on November 30 in Seattle. As host, the Clinton
Administration had hoped the summit would mark the opening of a Millennial
round of talks sanctioning unfettered global capitalism. But tens of
thousands of activists decided to crash the party. There will be
demonstrations, teach-ins, workshops, conferences, debates and street
theater, to educate people about the WTO and to demonstrate to the media
that the WTO is more than just a business story.

The Nation has just published its WTO special issue, now available at
http://thenation.com. The issue looks to Seattle with John Nichols' survey
of activist plans (from the AFL-CIO's march through downtown to a caravan
of costumed turtles), Robert Weissman's tale of how the business community
is getting ready for Seattle (no turtle costumes here but lots of money
and access), Robert Borosage's dose of historical perspective, Cong.
Dennis Kucinich's look at how the WTO handcuffs government from protecting
consumers and establishing environmental standards, Sarah Anderson and
John Cavanagh's debunking of ten myths regarding globalization and Doug
Henwood's forum exploring the range of progressive thought regarding the
WTO and globalization.

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[CTRL] Blair Society

[Alamaine Ratliff]

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More Third Wayve Stuff
~~
www.wsws.org

WSWS : News & Analysis : Europe : Britain
Blair government outlines draconian measures against civil liberties
By Julie Hyland
18 November 1999
Back to screen version

Draconian inroads into civil liberties were at the centre of the Queen's
speech, setting out the Blair government's legislative programme for the coming
year. Amongst the measures announced Wednesday were plans to:
Introduce new anti-terrorist laws

Axe the right of a defendant to opt for trial by jury

Withdraw social security benefits from those failing to complete community
service orders

Imprison fathers for non-payment of child maintenance orders

Introduce mandatory drug testing of all those under arrest

Extend state and security agencies' powers to intercept private electronic
communications

The new anti-terrorist laws will make the existing emergency measures
permanent. This includes the Prevention of Terrorism Act, the Emergency
Provisions Act and other temporary legislation that had to be regularly renewed
by parliament. First introduced in the early 1970s, these were ostensibly
directed against terrorism in Northern Ireland. The new Bill will set out a
broader definition of terrorism, covering foreign-based as well as domestic
groups. Current legislation defines terrorism as the "use of violence for
political ends". It is expected that the new legislation will redefine this as
"the use of serious violence against persons or property, or the threat to use
such violence to intimidate or coerce the government, the public, or any
section of the public for political, religious, or ideological ends".

Such a definition would immediately extend the charge of terrorism to virtually
all protest organisations, including environmental groups. By making the
"threat" to use violence an offence, all those advocating the overthrow of
governments could face charges of "incitement". Civil liberty campaigners have
pointed out that such a measure could have been used to imprison anti-apartheid
campaigners in the 1980s.

The new anti-terror laws are also likely to create an additional criminal
offence of being "connected with" terrorism. This goes far beyond current
legislation, which requires there to be “reasonable suspicion” that an offence
has been committed. The courts will be empowered to seize the assets of people
suspected of having links with terrorist groups by pursuing them in the civil
courts, where the onus of proof is much lower than in criminal trials.

Despite the so-called "peace process", it is reported that the new legislation
is expected to contain a range of temporary powers that will apply to Northern
Ireland alone. The police and army are to retain emergency powers and the no-
jury Diplock courts will remain in place.

During the next year, Labour also intends to introduce two new law-and-order
bills. The proposed Crime and Probation Bill will restructure the probation
service and give staff greater powers of enforcement. It will introduce
compulsory drug-testing, not only of existing offenders but also of those
unconvicted of any crime. Those testing positive could be refused bail if they
are later charge with an offence.

Also under this legislation, those failing to fulfil non-custodial community
sentence orders could lose their welfare benefit entitlements. The numbers
involved are relatively small. Just 20 percent of those covered by such
sentences were absent on three occasions and most of these were not in receipt
of benefits. Like other initiatives, however, it is setting a precedent and is
tied in with Prime Minister Blair's insistence that "rights" are dependent upon
citizens fulfilling specified "responsibilities" to the state.

The Criminal Justice (Mode of Trial) Bill will scrap the right of defendants to
elect for trial by jury, which dates back to the Magna Carta. Instead,
magistrates in England and Wales will be able to decide where "middle ranking
offences", which can currently be dealt with in the Magistrates Court or at
Crown Court before a jury, can be heard. Such offences include theft, assault
and some drug charges, and the change is expected to affect up to 18,000
defendants a year. The government has argued that this change will save
millions of pounds a year.

A Bill to reform the Child Support Agency, which collects maintenance from
absent parents, is also likely to propose fines and possible prison sentences
for those who fail to pay up. The legislation is also expected to include
provisions for under-age fathers (below 16 years of age) to be forced to pay
child maintenance.

Another Bill aimed at reforming existing legislation on electronic
communication is also expected to overturn the presumption of innocence until
proven guilty. Under government plans to intercept encoded communications,
security and intelligence agencies will be empowered to demand the encryption
keys from any individual suspected of links with 

[CTRL] JONATHAN POLLARD WAS NO JEWISH PATRIOT

[J FROST]

 -Caveat Lector-

Think about it ...

*  AMERICA SENDING TROOPS TO DEFEND ISRAEL

*  AMERICA GIVING ISRAEL BILLIONS OF DOLLARS

*  AND IT WAS ISRAEL WHO ENGAGED POLLARD TO STEAL
   SECRETS FROM AMERICA.

THERE ARE TWO TRAITORS INVOLVED, POLLARD AND ISRAEL

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[CTRL] American Feared British Invasion in 1920s

[Lucio Benedetto]

London Sunday Times
January 17 1999 IRELAND
http://www.sunday-times.co.uk/news/pages/Sunday-Times/frontpage.html?1121757

Paranoia that led US to plan invasion of Ireland

by York Membery

THE American army was so fearful of a British invasion in the 1920s that it
drew up plans for a counterattack against Britain, including landing an
expeditionary force in Ireland.

As late as 1936 the American military believed that the possibility of a
British attack "should be the governing consideration in our peacetime
preparedness". In response, it drew up "War Plan Red". The plan, discovered
by a British historian at the Naval Historical Centre in Washington,
proposed intercepting supplies of wheat and meat bound for Britain and
sending US marines into British possessions including Jamaica, the Bahamas
and Bermuda. The plan remained operational until the mid-1930s.

"War Plan Red runs to more than 100 pages," said John Major, a history
professor at the University of Hull, who uncovered the document while
researching a book about the Panama Canal. "My initial reaction was one of
shock. I had never been aware that there were any such contingency plans,
particularly as Britain and America are such close allies."

The possible cause of an Anglo-American conflict was judged to have been
American penetration and expansion into regions formerly dominated by
Britain which might have caused economic damage.

The diagnosis concluded that Britain would aim to eliminate America as a
commercial threat by destruction of US shipping and foreign trade, the
acquisition of American overseas possessions such as the Panama Canal and
ultimately the invasion of the United States from Canada, then part of the
British Empire.

"Within 40 days of the outbreak of hostilities, the Americans thought the
admiralty could assemble 14 battleships, 38 cruisers, five aircraft
carriers, 130 destroyers and 34 submarines at the Canadian port of Halifax,"
said Major, who is no relation to the former prime minister.

The US army believed the focus of the British onslaught would be industrial
cities such as Detroit and Pittsburgh, vital to America's war machine. It
also feared the RAF would launch air strikes on Boston, New York and
Washington, and "an expedition, probably led by Australia" would target
America's Far Eastern colony, the Philippines.

To meet the supposed threat, the American army would have sent 25,000 men to
Halifax and attacked Montreal and Quebec. Elsewhere, American forces would
have tried to seize British possessions in the Caribbean and secure a base
of operations on the Irish coast, while the US navy would have harried
British cargo ships in the Far East and the Atlantic.

Preposterous as the notion of a 20th-century Anglo-American conflict now
seems, the US military had grave doubts about its capacity to win a war with
Britain, Major discovered.

"For a start, the US navy had its fleet stationed on America's west coast,"
he said. "It would have taken eight days, at the very least, to move the
fleet to the Atlantic via the Panama Canal."

War Plan Red was approved in 1930 and issued in 1931. It was revised in 1935
and during the winter of 1935-36 the US First Army enthusiastically
simulated the ground campaign against Halifax.

War was the last thing on Britain's mind even though relations with America
in the years after the first world war were "unsettled", according to the
British-born head of history at Yale, Paul Kennedy.

It was not until May 1936 that War Plan Red was placed "on low priority" and
in the following October it was officially declared obsolete by the military
chief of staff. By then, Major said, "it had been made redundant by changing
international conditions".

Professor Robert Love, a lecturer at the US Naval Academy in Annapolis,
said: "From today's perspective, War Plan Red might seem bizarre, if not
comical, but it was a useful military exercise. For instance, I'm certain
that second world war military planners drew on the amphibious landing
section of the plan when they drew up Operation Overlord."

Even so, as General Sir Anthony Farrar-Hockley, former commander of British
land forces and commander-in-chief of Nato forces in Northern Europe, said:
"The idea of Britain invading the US in the 20th century is so utterly
absurd as to be beyond belief. My only explanation for War Plan Red is that
the US army, which was starved of funds between the wars, must have drawn it
up in an attempt to get more money out of the US government."



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[CTRL] Implanted Electrodes Transmit Brain Signals to Computer

[Lucio Benedetto]

Turning Thoughts Into Action
Implanted Electrodes Transmit Brain Signals to Computer
By David Brown
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, January 17, 1999; Page A01

ATLANTA—As Philip R. Kennedy, physician and inventor, prepares a paralyzed
man to operate a computer with his thoughts, it briefly seems possible a
historic scene is unfolding in this hospital room, and that Kennedy might be
a new Alexander Graham Bell.

Of course, it's also possible he's a new Johann Philipp Reis.

Reis built a telephone out of a violin case, sausage skin and pieces of a
beer barrel in Germany in 1860. That was 16 years before Bell unveiled his
telephone, which revolutionized human communication. Reis's invention
worked, too, but not well enough to be useful. It proved a point, but did
little more.

"Johnny, are you comfortable?" Kennedy asks as he steers three carts covered
with electronic gear over to the hospital bed and begins to unpack wires.
"Is your back hanging in there?"

The man in bed is middle-aged, red-faced and motionless, except for the
muscles of his face. He blinks twice, his sign for "yes."

The room, in a veterans hospital, is supposed to hold four patients, but
Kennedy's equipment takes up the space where one would normally lie. Two
other men occupy beds across the room from the paralyzed man. They pay no
attention as the doctor and his assistant plug in wires, calibrate an
oscilloscope, tape electrodes onto the patient's skin, crank up the head of
his bed and position a video monitor in front of his face.

It takes about 20 minutes before Kennedy opens a cloth-bound ledger, the
official record of his audacious experiment. "Day 259," he says aloud,
starting a new entry. "Day 259 after implantation." The man in bed tracks
him with his eyes.

Nearly nine months earlier, two small electrodes were placed in John L.
Ray's brain. They record the firing of his brain cells -- which is to say,
his thoughts. Now, he's learning to use those thoughts, carried out of his
head through tiny wires, to move the cursor on a computer screen.

He can't do it very well. But he does it better than he did a few months
ago.

If someday Ray learns to control the cursor as smoothly and effortlessly as
he once controlled his limbs, all sorts of possibilities will open up. He'll
be able to write a sentence, surf the Web, turn on the lights, drive a
wheelchair. In theory, that is.

On the other hand, it may turn out that all he, and the patients who may
follow him, will ever be able to do is clumsily and exhaustingly bounce the
cursor around. In which case this work will be a historical curiosity --
something that proves a point, but does little else.

"Johnny, you ready to start?" Kennedy asks.

Philip Kennedy's work is based on a simple fact: Thoughts are not ethereal
things. They obey the laws of physics, and can be used as physical tools.

Until recently, only in science fiction, magic shows and certain forms of
religious devotion did people try to move objects with thought, and without
the intervening action of human muscle. Now, a few people are trying to do
it in medicine.

The purpose of "cortical control devices" is to capture the physical essence
of cognition and, with the help of lots of intervening machinery, translate
it into action. Kennedy is the first scientist to oversee the implantation
of such a device into a person's brain.

Under normal circumstances, voluntary movement begins when a nerve cell in
the brain -- a neuron -- fires. This sends a low-voltage pulse of
electricity through the cell's microscopic tendrils, which contact dozens of
other cells. The pulse causes some of those cells to fire, others to stop
firing, and in all triggers an immensely complex chain of events that ends
with an eye blinking, a finger pointing, a toe tapping.

Disease or accident can break this chain of transmission, rending the
filamentous path traced from neuron to neuron to muscle cell. Of course, a
person may still be able to think about moving a hand or a foot. But in a
literal sense, the thought will have nowhere to go.

This is what happened to Johnny Ray.

He's a 52-year-old man from Carrollton, Ga., a drywall contractor, a
three-tour veteran of the Vietnam War, an amateur country music guitarist.
About 14 months ago, a blood vessel burst in his brainstem, which connects
the spinal cord to the brain.

This is about the worst place for a stroke. No bigger than two fingers lying
side by side, the brainstem consists (mostly) of millions of nerve fibers
carrying signals from the brain out to the body, and from the body to the
brain. It's the main trunk line of the human nervous system. The clot that
formed in Ray's brainstem compressed nearly all the fibers going from brain
to muscle, and some of the fibers carrying sensation from the skin to the
brain, as well.

Today, he can produce flickers of movement in his left big toe and left
thumb. He can move his tongue, the muscles of his face, his eyeballs.
Otherwise, he can't move. He

[CTRL] (Fwd) Idea of the Week: T-Visas

[Alamaine Ratliff]

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The DLC Update Friday, November 19, 1999
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Discuss the Idea of the Week at the DLC Idea Exchange at
http://www.dlc.org/idea/discussion.htm
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***Idea of the Week: T-Visas***

There are currently an estimated 346,000 American job
vacancies for computer programmers, systems analysts, and
computer scientists or engineers.  These core information
technology occupations are central to the New Economy, and
to the productivity gains and economic growth it is driving.
Yet every year many thousands of foreign students earn
advanced degrees from U.S. universities in fields related to
these occupations and then go home because their student
visas run out.
 Under current law, the only visa you can get for
skilled work in the United States is the H-1B visa, available
not just to high-tech professionals but to a wide variety of
skilled occupations, including pastry chefs, physical
therapists, and even fashion models.  These visas are capped
at levels well below the demand from U.S. employers.  Last
year, Congress temporarily raised the H-1B cap after urgent
requests from technology companies, and also made a small
down payment on building up the skills of American citizens
by endowing regional skills alliances and other training
efforts.
  Now New Democrat Rep. Zoe Lofgren (D-CA) and
Sen. Chuck Robb (D-VA) have introduced bills to address the
tech-shortage issue more systematically. Lofgren's BRAIN
Act (HR 2687), and Robb's HITEC Act (S 1645), would
create a "T-Visa"--a new category separate from the models
and the pastry chefs, aimed at temporarily recruiting highly
paid and skilled tech professionals trained at U.S. universities.

 Under both bills, T-Visas would be available only to
graduates in science and engineering programs filling jobs
paying more than $60,000.  Most ingeniously, the bills would
require that employers hiring T-Visa holders pay a fee of
$1,000 per year, with the proceeds used to fund science and
technology training efforts for U.S. citizens from kindergarten
through high school.  Both bills would sunset the T-Visa
system in five years, so that Congress could then determine if
U.S. citizens are able to fill more of the demand for critical
technology skills.
 Robb's bill limits T-Visas to those holding graduate
degrees--where dependence on foreign students is especially
high--and would use the "challenge grant" approach of
regional training alliances (RSAs) to distribute the fees, with
the federal government partnering with industry and
educational institutions in training efforts. (For more on
RSAs, see the Idea of the Week from February 6, 1998, at
http://www.dlcppi.org/fax/1998/980206.htm.)
 The T-Visa is an excellent plan for "lifting the cap" of
immigration restrictions on critical professions, while "filling
the gap" of skilled Americans. Lofgren and Robb's bills
should be high on Congress' agenda next year.

***Deal of the Decade***

Last week, U.S. trade officials announced the culmination of
13 years of negotiations to open China to U.S. goods,
services, and investment.  In a deal to secure U.S. support for
China's accession to the World Trade Organization, China
made a wide variety of concessions on tariffs, non-tariff trade
barriers, distribution rights, foreign investment, financial and
insurance services, and "transparency" and monitoring of its
commercial behavior.  The United States made no
concessions, other than agreeing to continue on a permanent
basis our current policy of offering China Normal Trade
Relations.  It's good news for the businesses, farmers, and
workers who will begin to benefit from new markets almost
immediately, and even better news for those interested in
bringing this emerging superpower into a rules-based system
of trade.
 That is why we are concerned at signs that a variety of
forces on the left and right are indicating they will pressure
Congress to kill the deal of the decade by voting down NTR
next year. Some opponents think the United States should
refuse to do business with China unless it halts its human
rights abuses and essentially changes its political system.
Others want to isolate China as a potential threat to U.S.
security interests in the Pacific.  We are especially
disappointed that the AFL-CIO issued a strident statement
denouncing the deal as an act of submission to China and a
betrayal of the Clinton Administration's policy of making
workers' rights a subject of discussion in the WTO.
 It's pretty hard to see how a deal in which the other
side makes all the concessions represents submission. It's also
hard to identify a better strategy for encouraging civilized
behavior by China than to bring it into the circle of civilized
nations, where it

Re: [CTRL] PJ lied under oath?

[Barb Witt]

 -Caveat Lector-

Linda:  I am interested and appreciate your posts on the subject from
various sources.

Barb

At 09:59 AM 1/17/99 -0600, Linda Minor wrote:
> -Caveat Lector-
>
>Barb Witt wrote:
>>Since you seem very convinced, and recite your story as if factual, it
>>would be helpful to me if you could provide at least one or two specific
>>details, eg, who are the members of this cabal, how do they choose their
>>victims, are they all the victims of this group "important political
>>figures," what is the agenda of this group, etc.  Sorry, it just seems
>>improbable to me that it would take a well-orchestrated cabal, major
>>planning, and an entire caste of characters flawlessly executing
>>pre-planned movements to get Clinton to drop his pants, or lie, etc.
>>
>+
>Barb,
>If you're truly interested in learning how this cabal operates, try reading
>the following article.  It may interest you to know that Theodore Olson is
>married to the Barbara Olson who has been appearing on the talk-show
>circuit, especially Larry King Live.
>
>Linda
>
>==
>from:
>http://www.larouchepub.com/olson_starr_salon.html
>
> This article appeared in the March 13, 1998 issue of Executive Intelligence
>Review.
>
>Secret Operation vs. Clinton Is Run by Olson-Starr Salon
>by Edward Spannaus
>Dramatic new information developed by EIR on the role of Washington lawyer
>Theodore B. Olson as the power behind independent counsel Kenneth Starr,
>suggests that President Clinton is the target of an illegal, rogue
>intelligence operation being carried out under the putative authority of the
>1981 Presidential Executive Order 12333.
>
>There are close parallels between the operation being run against Clinton,
>and that carried out against Lyndon LaRouche by some of the same circles, in
>the 1980s. The railroad against LaRouche was conducted as a covert foreign
>intelligence operation under the provisions of E.O. 12333--which permitted
>the "privatization" of intelligence operations. Key to the ensuing
>prosecution and judicial frame-up of LaRouche was a "softening up" process
>of defamation conducted through news media assets of George Bush's "secret
>government."
>
>This propaganda campaign was coordinated through a series of secret "Get
>LaRouche" meetings at the New York apartment of Wall Street spook/financier
>John Train--in what has become known as the "Train salon"--which included
>representatives of government intelligence and law enforcement agencies,
>plus news media representatives, including the Wall Street Journal. The
>"Train salon" was a project of the "Public Diplomacy" effort run out of the
>National Security Council, under the direction of George Bush's national
>security adviser Donald Gregg, and Gregg's associate, longtime CIA
>propaganda specialist Walter Raymond. According to evidence obtained by the
>Congressional committees investigating Iran-Contra, the initial financing
>for the Public Diplomacy program came from two intelligence-linked sources:
>Richard Mellon Scaife's foundations, and the Smith-Richardson Foundation.
>
>As we shall see, the same sort of "public-private" operation is now being
>conducted against President Clinton, by circles around Theodore Olson.
>
>In the LaRouche case, the "foreign counterintelligence" hook for the
>investigation was the allegation--circulated by Henry Kissinger and circles
>in the FBI--that LaRouche was a Soviet agent of influence, or a Soviet
>disinformation agent. It is likely that, in the case of Clinton, the pretext
>is the charge, circulating widely among circles within the FBI and private
>right-wing networks, that Clinton is guilty of treason for allowing secret
>intelligence to flow to China, in exchange for campaign contributions.
>
>The Olson salon
>The "Get Clinton" salon meets regularly at the home of former Justice
>Department official Olson, a longtime close friend and associate of Kenneth
>Starr, and of Olson's wife Barbara, chief counsel for Rep. Dan Burton's
>House Government Reform and Oversight Committee. Burton's committee has been
>noisily conducting investigations of the "Chinagate" allegations around
>Democratic Party campaign fundraising, and of other alleged Clinton
>administration transgressions.
>
>The gatherings include: Whitewater prosecutor Kenneth Starr, Federal appeals
>court judge Laurence Silberman, former judge Robert Bork, Supreme Court
>associate justice Clarence Thomas, Wall Street Journal editor Robert
>Bartley, American Spectator editor Emmett Tyrrell, and many others.
>
>A glimpse into the Olson salon can be found in the July 1997 Esquire
>magazine, in an article by David Brock, titled "Confessions of a Right-Wing
>Hit Man." Brock was the author of the Scaife-financed "Troopergate" article
>in the January 1994 American Spectator--on whose board Ted Olson sits. Brock
>described how he had been a guest at the wedding of Ted and Barbara Olson in
>the summer of 1996, where "the entire anti-Clinton establishment" was on
>han

Re: [CTRL] Why Can't Cameras Show Senators?

[Hilary Thomas]

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Brian,

I believe if the cameras were facing the Senators we would see that many of
them are fast asleep!  Most of them don't want to do this and are forced to
sit there.  I suspect that while many of them bring their bodies their minds
are elsewhere as they have already decided how they will vote.  The massive
whoring and party line dribble on TV talk shows by Senators on both sides of
the argument, is testimony that we do not have a legitimate trial going on.
IMHO

Hilary

-Original Message-
From: Brian Redman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sunday, January 17, 1999 7:45 AM
Subject: [CTRL] Why Can't Cameras Show Senators?


> -Caveat Lector-
>
>Why can't C-Span's camera show the Senators? When Sen. Tom Harkin
>made his objection to the senators being called "jurors," the
>camera was allowed to show us Harkin. But ordinarily the camera
>is not allowed to show us views of the assembled senators. The
>reasoning behind the disallowal of camera's viewing of senators
>can't be based on the senators being "jurors" (as Harkin made
>clear.) What is the judicial logic that disallows camera views
>of the assembled senators?
>
>Brian Redman
>Editor, CNNS
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[CTRL] FIGHTING NORWAY'S NAMING LAW

[Hilary Thomas]

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This is amazing!  I had no idea this was going on.

Hilary


-Original Message-
From: Barb Witt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Date: Saturday, January 16, 1999 9:48 PM
Subject: [CTRL] FIGHTING NORWAY'S NAMING LAW


> -Caveat Lector-
>
>--Caveat Lector-
>
>Fred is a credible and knowledgeable person.  Does anyone have additional
>info about the Norway Naming Law?
>
>Barb
>
>From: Fred Battey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: FIGHTING NORWAY'S NAMING LAW
>:
>:
>:
>
>We still have relative freedom, although we are seeing our freedoms rapidly
>decreased as government tries to regulate and control every aspect of our
>lives.  Below is a good example of what happens when government becomes
>thus involved.  This is only one example of hundreds if not thousands of
>what has happened in other nations who have caved under the pressures of
>socialist and dictatorial government control.  The battle we are involved
>in is not a sideline effort, and not just restricted to the education
>arena.  Education just happens to be one, although a major, arena in the
>push for total societal, economic and financial control of our nation.  Can
>the below happen in our country?  You betcha!  Can we be required to carry
>official ID on our persons at all times as is required in most European
>countries?  You betcha!  Can we be required to use only designated
>healthcare as is the case in many countries?  You betcha!  Can we be
>monitored on the care of our children and required to enter them into
>"approved" facilities from pre-birth, through pre-school, through total
>education?  You betcha!  And please understand I am not talking about 5
>years from now, but much sooner unless there is a major change in our
>course.  To believe otherwise is playing directly into the hands of the
>those who are the driving force behind the movement.
>
>Fred
>_
>FIGHTING NORWAY'S NAMING LAW
>The Name Game
>World Magazine, Jan. 9, 1999
>
>Kirsti Larsen was thrown in a Norwegian jail because she gave her son a
>first name that was not on the government's list of acceptable choices. She
>named him Gesher, which means "bridge" In Hebrew.
>
>This violates Norway's strict laws regulating names, which include lists of
>acceptable first and last names. When Mrs. Larsen tried to register her
>son's name as Gesher at her local county office back in 1995, it was
>rejected as Illegal. She appealed repeatedly but was ordered to change the
>name, pay a $210 fine, or spend two days in jail.
>
>Mrs. Larsen refused to change the name of her boy, who is now four. So she
>went to prison for two days, leaving her husband and 10 children at home.
>But since little Gesher is still named Gesher, no one knows how this
>dispute will be settled.
>
>"Many probably would have bowed to 'Big Brother' and paid the fine. On
>principle, I couldn't go along with such absurdity," Mrs. Larsen told the
>Vordens Gang newspaper. "Maybe the authorities thought I would come running
>with the money when they ordered me to serve my sentence just before
>Christmas, but I didn't let them scare me."
>
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[CTRL] Experimentation WITHOUT CONSENT

[David Crockett Williams]

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Tip of the iceburg?

Subject: Experimentation
Date: Friday, November 19, 1999 12:25 PM

Newshawk: Peter Webster
 Pubdate:  Nov 13, 1999
 Source: New Scientist (UK)
 Page: 49-51
 Copyright: New Scientist, RBI Limited 1999
 Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Website: http://www.newscientist.com/
 Author: Charles Seife

 WITHOUT CONSENT

 A review of:
 Undue Risk: Secret State Experiments on Humans,
  by Jonathan Moreno, WH Freeman, UKP15, ISBN 0716731428

 If you made it up, nobody would believe you. Years after the Nuremberg
 trials revealed the horrors of the Nazi experiments on concentration camp
 prisoners, one of the world's biggest liberal democracies was still
 carrying out unethical medical experiments on people. The subjects included
 soldiers, prisoners and even some civilians. And the science, much of it
 involving exposing people to radiation, was done with the full blessing of
 the US government. When Bill Clinton created a commission to investigate,
 Jonathan Moreno, a bioethicist at the University of Virginia, was put on
 the panel and given access to vast numbers of classified documents. In
 Undue Risk: Secret State Experiments on Humans, he recounts that
 experience. Charles Seife talked to Moreno to find out what he learnt...

 Without consent

 "THE UK , like our other allies, thinks we're out of our goddamned minds
 for talking about this kind of thing in public and releasing any kind of
 classified information at all, ever."

 So says American bioethicist Jonathan Moreno. The topic is his own
 government's past-and distinctly inglorious--record on human
 experimentation. And he has a point: no other nation has allowed scholars
 of Moreno's ilk to root through box after box of secret documents looking
 for evidence of how scientists, backed by the military, systematically
 mistreated human subjects in their studies of the effects of radiation,
 chemicals and biological agents. And when other governments get around to
 looking at the experiments detailed in those documents, it's fair to say
 they won't be eager to unlock all of their own files.

 Many boxes contained nothing more than old newspaper clippings. Yet
 occasionally, there were documents that told of horrible abuses. Some
 examples. In 1949, US scientists wanted to judge their ability to monitor
 radioactive plumes. Their solution: deliberately release a cloud of
 radioactive iodine into the atmosphere over Washington state. In the 1950s,
 US generals wanted to know whether their men would panic in a nuclear
 attack. Their solution: parade several hundred thousand US troops in front
 of atomic explosions. Or what about the attempts the US Army made in the
 1960s to develop a "supersoldier" with skin so tough it acted like a
 natural body armour? To perfect the skin-hardening technology, the US Army
 needed human subjects, so it turned to a prison in Holmesburg,
 Philadelphia. There it found "acres of skin" to play with. The prisoners
 were treated with chemical agents, which, when effective, caused
 "significant inflammation and crusting".

 But for Moreno, one of the worst cases happened in the 1950s when the US
 Army persuaded psychiatrists to secretly inject hallucinogenic drugs into
 mental patients. "That episode strikes me as the one that really epitomises
 how wrong things went," he says. "Hospitals are supposed to be secure
 places where you're protected."

 The US Army's aim in these experiments, according to a 1951 internal memo,
 was to investigate "the utilisation of psychochemical agents both for
 offensive use and for protection against them". In other words, they were
 looking for mind-control agents. And to this end, they supplied novel
 derivatives of mescaline to psychiatrists at Bellevue Hospital in New York.
 As Moreno recounts in his book, one of the guinea pigs was Howard Blauer, a
 tennis pro admitted to Bellevue with depression in 1952, and who died there
 after being given very high doses of a mescaline compound, possibly by
 accident. Blauer seems to have known he was being given an experimental
 drug. What he, didn't know, according to Moreno, was that the drug wasn't
 designed to help his condition.

 Of course, freak accidents can blight even meticulously ethical studies.
 But what upsets Moreno is the sheer number of studies that failed to meet
 the most basic ethical requirement: namely, telling subjects what the
 experiment involved and what it was trying to discover before asking them
 to enrol. Even the cases where no physical harm was done disturb him.

 Few more so than the so-called "science club" studies of the 1940s and
 1950s, in which scientists fed radioactive cereal to unsuspecting
 youngsters at institutions for troubled adolescents. The experiments were
 co-sponsored by the US government's Atomic Energy Commission and the Quaker
 Oats company in the US, and carried out by scientists from the prestigious
 Massachusetts Institute of Technology. According to Moreno, Quaker Oa

[CTRL] Friendliness Feuling Fires?

[Alamaine Ratliff]

 -Caveat Lector-

Via TheNewRepublic

{{}}
Super-Terrorist Osama bin Laden Seeks Refuge With Albanians in Kosovo
News/Current Events Breaking News News Keywords: KOSOVO ALBANIANS OSAMA BIN
LADEN DEEP COVER
Source: WorldTribune.com
Published: November 17, 1999 Author: Special to World Tribune--"Albanian
politicians are helping Bin Laden"
Posted on 11/17/1999 22:39:04 PST by henbane

Albanian politicians are helping Bin Laden
SPECIAL TO WORLD TRIBUNE.COM
Wednesday, November 17, 1999
[Emphasis added]

LONDON -- Islamic fundamentalists as well as several leading politicians in
Albania are believed to be helping Saudi billionaire fugitive Osama Bin Laden
find a new place of refuge, Arab sources said this week.

The sources said Western intelligence agencies believe Bin Laden is in contact
with supporters in Albania and Kosovo in an attempt to find a new refuge amid
heavy United States pressure on the Taliban ruling faction in Afghanistan to
surrender Bin Laden.

For the United States, the sources said, the problem is compounded by links Bin
Laden has formed with Albanian politicians. They said Bin Laden has bought
several key politicians who have looked away from the activities of his
supporters in Albania.

On Monday, the London-based Al Quds Al Arabi daily reported that the CIA is
investigating the connection between Albania and Bin Laden.

Earlier, Albanian police working and the CIA arrested a Jordanian national
suspected of being an associate of Bin Laden in Albania. The arrest was
conducted on Friday and the Jordanian national was taken out of the country.

The Tirana-based Koha Jone daily said on Sunday that the 42-year-old suspect
was a Jordanian businessman who had been living in Albania since 1992 and had
been granted Albanian citizenship. The unidentified businessman heads a charity
and has interests in the construction business, the newspaper said.

"Escorted by the CIA agents, he was taken by special plane to an unknown
destination," the paper said.

On Sunday, the United Nations ignored Taliban appeals and imposed sanctions on
Afghanistan for its refusal to hand over Bin Laden.

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[CTRL] (Fwd) "Progress" on the Cancer Front

[Alamaine Ratliff]

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--- Forwarded Message Follows ---
Information about this email appears at the bottom.

Some Good Science on Cancer

On an individual level, the answer to the question where should we put our
energies in the fight against cancer is clear: If you've got it, fight to
cure it; if you haven't, take steps to prevent it. But as a society, do we
have the right balance between cure and prevention?

In "Living Downstream: A Scientist's Personal Investigation of Cancer and
the Environment," Sandra Steingraber makes the case that prevention, in
the form of attention to the environment, gets short shrift.

Fifty-four million pounds of synthetic pesticides are applied each year to
the 89 percent of Illinois that is farmland, the state where the author,
herself a cancer patient, was raised. But how can we tell the extent to
which chemicals such as pesticides and PCBs--polychlorinated biphenyls,
which are used in electrical transformers, pesticides, carbonless copy
paper, and small electronic parts--cause cancer?

Scientific papers in the last few years have begun to shed new and
disturbing light on the answer. One study published in the Summer 1997
issue of “The Lancet” revealed that patients in the study who contracted
the deadly non-Hodgkin's lymphoma had dramatically higher levels of PCBs
in their blood than did others who were similar demographically but
remained cancer-free. People with the highest levels of PCBs in their
blood showed a 4.5-fold increase in risk of developing non-Hodgkin's
lymphoma. Writes Steingraber,

"In the meantime, a new Dutch study found that the blood plasma of
preschoolers who had been breast-fed as infants contained more than three
times the level of PCBs than did the blood of children never breast-fed.
Breast milk thus turns out to be a richer source of PCBs than either
children's food or prenatal transfer across the placenta. Because there is
no satisfactory substitute for mothers' milk, the results of this
study--as well as the one cited above--urge us toward the necessity of
ridding our food supply of these long-banned but still extant pollutants."


This is entirely doable--most PCBs are still in landfills or waiting to be
thrown out, and could be rescued before entering the food chain.

But aren't things getting better? Aren't the cures working? In 1997,
researcher John Bailar published an update of his famous 1986 study on
this topic, "Progress Against Cancer?" The update, entitled "Cancer
Undefeated," gets right to the point:

"In 1986, we concluded that 'some 35 years of intense effort focused
largely on improving treatment must be judged a qualified failure.' Now
with 12 more years of data and experience, we see little reason to change
that conclusion."

Yes, there has been a slight decline in overall cancer death rates in
recent years. But that largely reflects a decline in smoking rates rather
than success in disease treatment. He argues for renewed efforts focused
on prevention, including removing carcinogens from the environment. His
view is backed by similar conclusions from a team of researchers at the
National Institute on Environmental Health Sciences, the National Cancer
Institute, the National Institute of Occupational Health and Safety, and
their colleagues in France and Sweden.

A 1997 study in Britain provides the most comprehensive picture of local
environmental hazards and cancers in children. Researchers mapped the
homes of all 22,458 children who died from leukemias and other cancers in
Scotland, Wales and England between 1953 and 1980, and combined it with
charting the location of every potentially hazardous site ranging from
power plants to auto-body shops. Their findings reveal that children face
an increased risk of cancer if they live within a few kilometers of
certain kinds of industries--especially those involving large-scale use of
petroleum or chemical solvents at high temperatures. The danger decreases
as the distance of the home from the plant increases, although for those
who had moved, cancer correlated most heavily with the address at birth.
Several U.S. studies correlate with this finding; there appears to be a
link between childhood cancer and contaminations of mothers while they
were pregnant. From solvent-contaminated water to treating pets with flea
and tick pesticides, a mother's exposure during pregnancy significantly
increased her child’s cancer risk.

Steingraber notes other studies linking pollution of the environment to
cancer. A Finnish study points to hazards of chlorinated water while a new
study from Alaska reports that people who have just finished filling up
their cars at self-service stations show elevated levels of a variety of
volatile gasoline by-products in their blood and exhaled breath.

Steingraber reveals a bright side to uncovering pollution as a major
source of cancer: from organic alternatives in food and even golf courses
(where a typical green uses four times the amount of pesticide used on a

[CTRL] Skeptic News - Friday #2

[Ric Carter]

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SkeptiNews 991119b - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question

* Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion.
* Nothing contained here is ever endorsed for truth, accuracy, or meaning.
* Please DO NOT include the entire bulletin when you reply; Cut/Paste, eh?
* No religious dogmas evolved during production of this bulletin. 
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

@ Lizard Alien: http://www.anw.com/kesara/images/004-M.jpg
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Bethlehem sets millennium plans. JERUSALEM (AP) - Jesus' birthplace of
  Bethlehem will celebrate the new millennium with 2,000 white doves, a
  lineup of world-class choirs & biblical hikes in the footsteps of Mary
  & Joseph. 3-year $160 million Bethlehem 2000 project proceeds apace:
  http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2562141563-ae6
# Also: Israel, Jordan marking Jesus' path with painted gold footsteps:
  http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2562143577-fe2

: Since Yeshua ben Yusef [aka Jesus, son of Joseph, err, of {JHWH}] wasn't
born anywhere near 1/1/0001, why have a birthplace celebration now? Will
only the terminally innumerate [and those who feed upon them] show up?

# LOVE TO GLOAT? GO AHEAD, YOU'LL FEEL BETTER. A German psychoanalyst has
  given us permission to gloat - she says it relieves stress and puts us in
  touch with our feelings. Germans even have a word for it: schadenfreude.
  http://www.healthcentral.com/drdean/DeanFullTextTopics.cfm?ID=22307
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

@ REPTILIANS - WHO ARE THEY REALLY? The ET Reptilian Aliens which are called
  Reptoids are proportional in size to modern humans. They have a snake like
  or lizard appearance. These are highly advanced entities but of a negative
  hostile or dangerous disposition since they regard humans as a totally in-
  ferior race. They would perceive us much the way we would perceive a herd
  of cattle. Info on these beings varies from source to source. Supposedly
  they consider Earth their ancient outpost & want to have complete control
  over it as their planet is becoming unable to adequately support life.
  Never hiss at them: http://www.greatdreams.com/reptlan/reps.htm

: Who are your favorite ETs? Do you like Reptoids? Ever had sex with any??
Do Reptoids consider human/ET sex as bestiality? Do you like bestiality?

# Earth said warmed 55 mln years ago. (AP)  Researchers have found evidence
  to support a theory that an abrupt warming of Earth 55 million years ago
  was caused by the sudden release of frozen deposits of methane from the
  ocean: http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2562137988-1bb
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Naples Cardinal's indictment sought. ROME (AP) Prosecutors in south Italy
  requested indictments against the archbishop of Naples, Cardinal Michele
  Giordano, in what they allege was a massive loan-sharking ring. "I am
  serene because I am clean inside, and someone up there knows it," Giordano
  said, pointing a finger at the heavens. Divine beings refused to comment -
  see http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2562140806-f53

: Does your belief system have a sophisticated financial operation? Do your
deities provide for all your needs, or do you need to shake-down humans for
operating funds? Do you keep a percentage of contributions for yourself??

# Video Game Publishers in Damnation Shocker. Cue the ads for Shiny's
  MESSIAH, complete with a doctored picture of the Pope taking a drag on
  a "hand-rolled cigarette" with the tag line 'What on Earth Possessed
  You?' http://www.gamasutra.com/newswire/eurospeak/19991117/index.htm
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# MOTHER NATURE IS AN OLD LADY WITH BAD HABITS. The distinction between the
  human animal and other creatures is far from absolute. We share some 98%
  of our DNA with chimpanzees. We share basic bodily substances such as the
  endorphins, natural opiates that give us the "runner's high," with earth-
  worms. In fact, only a mere 50 or so genes (as well as several regulatory
  genes that control timings of gene expression) account for our humanness.
  Much of our "family face" stems from others who swam, crawled or brachia-
  ted in aeons past. http://www.sciam.com/1999/1299issue/1299reviews1.html

: Does your belief system draw vast distinctions between yourself and other
humans and animals? Are you all alone, cut off from the rest of life? Why??

@ Mean people rule: http://jlms.com/~mc_tact/limbo.jpg
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@ Dan Lietha's  comics tells us
  that evolution  is
  a trojan meme from the evil Secular Media designed to corrupt good Chris-
  tian children and that the Bible is only thing that stands between kids
  and  school violence.
  And be sure to see: http://www.memepool.com/Subject/Memetics/

: Have you evolved much lately? Do you strenuously resist evolving? Does 

Re: [CTRL] Why Can't Cameras Show Senators?

[Hawk]

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Brian Redman wrote:

>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> Why can't C-Span's camera show the Senators? When Sen. Tom Harkin
> made his objection to the senators being called "jurors," the
> camera was allowed to show us Harkin. But ordinarily the camera
> is not allowed to show us views of the assembled senators. The
> reasoning behind the disallowal of camera's viewing of senators
> can't be based on the senators being "jurors" (as Harkin made
> clear.) What is the judicial logic that disallows camera views
> of the assembled senators?

They don't want you to see them: dozing, cutting out paper dolls, scratching
themselves, etc.  As the adage goes, "One shouldn't watch laws or sausage when
they're being made."

Hawk

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Re: [CTRL] Dear Congressman Hyde

[J FROST]

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Dear Representative Hyde:
Is omitting to tell the truth the same as lying?  Have you told the whole
truth about your own background, and, no, I don't mean sexual exploits.
I
mean important things, like the following:
///

Is clinton innocent because others are guilty of the same or other
things?
If politicians are to be found innocent of their criminal acts because
someone in the other party is also a criminal, then what law is
any politician under?

Proving the other guy is guilty does not prove your pigon is innocent, it
only proves they are all ass hole criminals.

Do you propose all criminal politicians be above the laws or only
those in your own party?

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[CTRL] Capital controls.

[nurev]

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THE CASE FOR CAPITAL CONTROLS
by Paul Davidson

In this decade there has been an international currency crisis every two to
three years: the European Monetary System crisis in 1992, the Mexican peso
crisis of 1994-5 and the 1997-98 Asian and Russian debacles. Does this
periodic breakdown of international capital markets mean that the movement
towards liberalizing capital markets started in the 1970s gone too far?
Have international financial markets become so fragile as to threaten the
economic health of the global economy?

 Understanding  the role of financial markets and the policy stance that
should be applied depends on the underlying economic theory that one
explicitly, or implicitly, relies on. There are two major theories of
financial markets: (1) the efficient market theory and (2) Keynes's
liquidity theory.  The logic of the former inevitably leads to a
laissez-faire policy, while the latter recommends some form of capital
regulation.

The efficient market theory is the backbone of today's conventional
economic wisdom. Its mantra is "the market knows best; markets are
efficient and governments are inefficient". This view is epitomized in US
Deputy Treasury Summers's statement: "the ultimate social functions [of
financial markets are] spreading risks, guiding the investment of scarce
capital, and processing and disseminating the information possessed by
diverse traders...prices will always reflect fundamental values   The
logic of efficient markets is compelling".

Since the 1970s, Summers's "compelling" efficient market logic  has
provided the justification for nations to dismantle most of the immediate
post-war  ubiquitous capital market regulations. Deregulated financial
markets, it is claimed, will produce lower real costs of capital and higher
output and productivity growth rates compared to those experienced between
the war and 1973 when international capital controls were practiced by most
countries of the world, including the United States.

The facts, unfortunately, do not support this liberalization argument. The
years between the war and 1973 were an era of unprecedented sustained
economic growth in both developed and developing countries. The average per
capita annual real growth rate of OECD nations from 1950 till 1973 was
almost precisely double the previous peak  growth rate of the industrial
revolution period. Productivity growth was more than triple that
experienced in the industrial revolution. The resulting prosperity of OECD
nations was transmitted to the less developed nations through trade, aid,
and direct foreign investment. From 1950-73, average per capita growth for
all less developed countries  was 3.3 per cent, almost triple the average
growth rate experienced by the industrializing nations during the
industrial revolution.

With liberalization, there has been as significant deterioration in
economic performance. The annual growth rate in  investment in plant and
equipment in OECD nations fell from  6% (before 1973) to less than 3 %
(since 1973). Less investment growth means a slower economic growth rate
(from 5.9% to 2.8%) while labor productivity growth declined even more
dramatically (from 4.6% to 1.6 %). Instead of delivering the utopian
promises of greater stability and more rapid economic growth, the period of
liberalizing capital markets  has been associated with one economic crisis
after another, e.g., stagflation and soaring interest rates in the 1970s,
the Latin American and African Debt problems of the 1980s, and the
recurrent international financial market crises of the 1990s. Since
efficient market theory has not delivered on its promises, it is time to
explore whether there may be an important role for international capital
market regulations.

Keynes's theory is that the primary function of financial markets is to
provide liquidity. The ability to readily liquidate one's position requires
an orderly financial market. Orderliness means constraining market price
movements by controlling the net cash flows into and out of the market,
just as a theatre owner sells just as many tickets as seats to control
crowd inflow into a West End hit, and laws preventing shouting fire in a
crowded theatre encourage an orderly crowd outflow. In the absence of such
flow controls, there can be a damaging crush to get in and even a greater
disorderly rush to make a fast exit if anyone smells a whiff of smoke.

Keynes argued that orderly deregulated financial markets can provide
liquidity as long as market participants accept the convention "that the
existing state of affairs will continue indefinitely, except as we have
specific reasons to expect a change". In other words, deregulated financial
market price stability is based on the flimsy foundation of an expected
inertia in future market forces. These expectations, however, can be
subject to sudden and violent changes, especially when, as Keynes noted, "
the conventional valuation is...the outco

Re: [CTRL] The Ark of the Covenant

[David Rupp]

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JAH Wrote: There is absolutely no chance that the Israeli government could
have The Ark because it was removed to Ireland by Jeremiah as part of the
punishment of the Jewish people for not keeping The Covenant. If they have
found anything it is a copy and not the original. So the fight goes on.

David: Perhaps the human-reptile alien hybrids, working with the Illuminati
and ex-president George Bush, moved it back using their 4-D technology. Just
a theory.

JAH: The Conspirators' or David Rupp's story, or wherever it came from is
just a smoke-screen put out to try to put you off getting involved to help
me recover it, because the Conspirators are afraid of its power to defeat
them.

David: Not my story. Just a little gem of a story found on the Internet, as
I said. I believe the author left an address and phone number at the bottom.
Maybe they'll help you. Why not reach out and touch someone?

JAH: Please take note that David Rupp's web-server is STARPOWER.NET the same
as Joshua2, who has also tried to discredit this story.

David: I doubt Starpower is part of the conspiracy to stop you. They are way
too incompetent. It took them 2 weeks to get my cable modem to work.
Although the one guy did look kind of scaly

JAH: Think about it. Would you stop someone digging such a tiny area of
grass, in a field, if there was even a wildly remote chance of finding The
Ark, unless you didn't WANT it to be found?

David: I do want the Ark to be found. However, if you came to my house and
told me your story, I'd tell you to get off my property. Then I'd get a
restraining order issued against you.

David
Get caught up in The Web of Fate at
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[CTRL] Mandating Vaccines: Government Practicing Medicine Without a Lice nse?

[Tatman, Robert]

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from the *Medical Sentinel*, http://www.haciendapub.com/article25.html

Guest Editorial

Mandating Vaccines: Government Practicing Medicine Without a License?

Jane M. Orient, M.D.

The issue of mandatory vaccines is becoming increasingly important: Dozens
of Americans have given testimony to Congressional committees about adverse
effects (including death) of vaccines, particularly in children; military
personnel are being court-martialed for refusing required anthrax
vaccinations; etc. And yet, the public health establishment in this country
has not only downplayed the adverse effects and complications of vaccines,
insisting that vaccines are safe and effective, but it continues to support
mandatory vaccination programs.

Dr. Jane Orient --- who spoke at the Doctors for Disaster Preparedness (DDP)
meeting on this subject and submitted a statement to the Subcommittee on
Criminal Justice, Drug Policy and Human Resources of the House Government
Reform Committee on behalf of AAPS, June 14, 1999 --- was invited to write
this column in lieu of my Editor's Corner for the benefit of AAPS members
and the readers of the Medical Sentinel. She thus bring us up-to-date on
this momentous topic.---Editor.

The Source of Mandates

By means of vaccine policy, which was previously discussed in these
pages,(1) the federal government is effectively making critical medical
decisions for an entire generation of American children. The mechanism is a
public-private partnership. "Recommendations" issue from the Advisory
Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP), a small group whose members have
incestuous ties(2) with agencies that stand to gain power, or manufacturers
that stand to gain enormous profits, from the policy that is made. Even if
such members recuse themselves from specific votes, they are permitted to
participate in discussions and thus influence the decision.

ACIP recommendations frequently become mandatory through actions of state
legislatures, or through state health departments to which legislatures have
delegated such authority. State policy is generally enforced by school
districts, which set requirements for school attendance. Some children, as
reported by ABC's 20/20, are being home schooled because they have not
received all the required vaccines.

An Inversion of Medical Ethics and a Reversal of Public Health Policy

Mandates have a profound effect on medical practice. Once a vaccine is
mandated for children, the manufacturer and the physician administering the
vaccine are substantially relieved of liability for adverse effects.(3) The
relationship of patient and physician is shattered: in administering the
vaccine, the physician is serving as the agent of the state. To the extent
that the physician simply complies, without making an independent evaluation
of the appropriateness of the vaccine for each patient, he is abdicating his
responsibility under the Oath of Hippocrates to "prescribe regimen for the
good of my patients according to my ability and my judgment and never do
harm to anyone." Instead, he is applying the new population-based ethic in
which the interests of the individual patient may be sacrificed to the
"needs of society."

If a physician advises against a mandated vaccine, he faces increased legal
liability if the patient is infected with the disease. In addition, he may
risk his very livelihood if he is dependent upon income from "health plans"
that use vaccine compliance as a measure of "quality."

It is perhaps not surprising, although still reprehensible, that physicians
sometimes behave in a very callous manner toward parents who question the
need for certain vaccines. I have even heard reports of physicians
threatening to call Child Protective Services to remove the child from
parental custody if a parent refused a vaccine --- even after the child had
screamed inconsolably for hours after each of the first two doses. The
federal policy of mandating vaccines marks a monumental change in the
concept of public health. Traditionally, public health authorities
restricted the liberties of individuals only in case of a clear and present
danger to public health. For example, individuals infected with a
transmissible disease were quarantined. Today, a child may be deprived of
his liberty to associate with others, or even of his supposed right to a
public education, simply because of being unimmunized. Yet, if a child is
uninfected, his unprotected status is not a threat to anyone else. On the
other hand, immunization of a child who is already infected (or who becomes
infected in spite of the vaccine) is of no protective value to anyone. This
represents a reversal of the earlier policy of preventing exposure to
infectious agents. In fact, it takes exposure --- as to contaminated needles
or promiscuous sex --- as a given, while begging the question of whether
protection against hepatitis B has any overall effect on morbidity or
mortality in a population that also exposes i

Re: [CTRL] PJ lied under oath?

[Barb Witt]

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At 09:41 AM 1/16/99 -0500, you wrote:
> -Caveat Lector-
>
>In a message dated 1/15/99 8:19:22 PM Eastern Standard Time,
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
><< Sex, period.  Not 'sexual relations', not 'sex act'...it's all parsing
> words, anyways, cuz anyone with half a brain knows sex = sex act = sexual
> relations >>
>
>It's interesting as a matter of discussion, but for some it's a matter of
>getting fired.  According to the AP writer, Brenda Coleman (reported in my
>morning paper), one Dr. George D. Lundberg, editor of The Journal of the
>American Medical Association for l7 years was fired Friday for publishing a
>what-is-sex survey of college students to coincide with President Clinton's
>impeachment trial.   The article - "Would You Say You Had Sex' If...? found
>that 59 percent of college students surveyed did not consider having oral sex
>as having "had sex."   What is and what isn't having sexual relations is
>obviously very serious business.  Or at least it is to the AMA.   Prudy

This survey, if true, speaks volumes regarding education, mind control and
indoctrination - not to mention stupidity.  Scary stuff.

Barb

The curse of the intelligentsia is their ability to rationalize and
re-define.  Ordinary people, lacking that gift, are forced to face reality.
--Thomas Sowell

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[CTRL] LUCIFERIC OATH

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Dear List,

Some few years ago I read, but can't remember where I read it, and also
heard about it on a Christian broadcasting later on that all Presidents
of the United States from Abraham Lincoln on down to Clinton, with the
exception of President Reagan, took an oath called the Luciferic oath
before their inauguration. In the past year I've tried to find
information about such an oath but have failed thus far in finding
anything. This oath taken by them was said to have given them great evil
powers in bringing about Satan's plans. Have any of you ever heard of
such an oath taken by the presidents of the U.S. of A.? This is
frightening to me, especially in seeing how this country has, in my
opinion gone to hell in a handbasket.

Regards,
Linda of the Palmetto State

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[CTRL] China may have obtained warhead secrets from contractors

[Steve Wingate]

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China may have obtained warhead secrets from contractors

Copyright © 1999 Nando Media
Copyright © 1999 Associated Press

WASHINGTON (November 19, 1999 1:27 a.m. EST
http://www.nandotimes.com) - Federal investigators have reportedly
discovered new
evidence suggesting China may have obtained information about
America's most advanced nuclear warhead from one of the weapon's
contractors or the Navy.

The FBI's investigation originally had focused on Wen Ho Lee, a scientist
at the Los Alamos National Laboratory.

The Washington Post quoted government sources in its editions Friday as
saying that errors found in a Chinese intelligence document
describing the W-88 warhead have been traced to a defense installation
and contractors that assemble nuclear weapons.

An FBI analysis now supports the position of Energy Department officials
and Los Alamos scientists that China could have obtained the
nuclear secrets at any of dozens of locations, the sources said.

The information most likely came from one of the weapon's assembly
points, an unnamed source told the Post. These sites include Sandia
National Laboratories, which builds warhead prototypes; Lockheed Martin
Corp., which mounts the warheads on missiles, and the Navy, which
supervises the process.

A Lockheed Martin spokesman told the newspaper his company "is
cooperating with the government in its investigation and is not under
investigation nor implicated in any wrongdoing."

Mark Holscher, Lee's attorney, told the Post the new evidence "is further
proof that the focus of the investigation on Dr. Lee was inappropriate
and that to continue to prosecute him for lesser charges is unfair."


Steve Wingate

California Director
SKYWATCH INTERNATIONAL

Anomalous Images and UFO Files
http://www.anomalous-images.com

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[CTRL] Why Ivan doesn't rebel.

[nurev]

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Russia: Analysis From Washington -- Why Don't Russians Rebel?
By Paul Goble

Washington, 13 January 1999 (RFE/RL) -- Russia's enormous economic and
political difficulties over the past several years have prompted many there
and elsewhere to ask -- why don't more Russians go on strike or engage in
political demonstrations?
  A new U.S. Information Agency report, "Who Protests in Russia," both reports
how few Russians have taken part in such protests and provides at least part
of the answer as to why.
  Based on extensive polling in Russia over the last few years, the report says
that only seven percent of Russians claim that they have taken part in any
political rally or demonstration, and only four percent have gone on strike.
The report further suggests that the number of Russians prepared to engage in
such protests has been declining.
  And it explains these figures by suggesting that overwhelming majorities of
Russians do not take part in such protests because they do not believe that
either economic actions or political demonstrations will in the end do them
any good.
  But the report's focus on those who do protest calls attention to three
factors which could mean that this trend will be reversed, leading more
Russians to take part in strikes and demonstrations over the next few years,
and thus, to challenge existing power relations in Russian economic and
political life.
  First, as the report shows, those Russians who feel personally desperate, who
have not been paid for extensive periods and who lack alternative sources of
support are far more likely to protest than those who do not. Up to now,
many Russians have refrained from doing so either because they did not
think protests would work, because they still felt they had something to
lose, or because they could turn to family and friends for support.
  But if conditions deteriorate, as now seems likely, and if people learn about
strike actions or public protests, then ever more Russians will fall into this
"personal desperation" and thus, may take to the streets.
  Second, according to the USIA report, Russians who are members of a trade
union or are active supporters of one or another political party are far more
likely to participate in demonstrations than those who do not.
Over the last three years, the presence of a trade union in a workplace "more
than doubles" the likelihood that those employed there will participate in
strikes or other forms of protest.
   And during the same period, those who report "a great deal" of interest in
politics are almost eight times as likely to participate in strikes or
protests than those who say they have "no interest at all."
  On the one hand, this pattern suggests that strikes may become more likely as
political parties try to use trade unions in order to reach more voters. So
far that has not happened very often. Thus, the report notes that only six
percent of employed Russians now say that a member of the Russian Communist
Party member has asked them to join a protest.
  And, on the other, it implies that as more Russians focus on politics during
the upcoming parliamentary and presidential elections, an increasing number of
them are likely to participate in public demonstrations.
  That will be particularly likely, the USIA study suggests, if Russian
political parties run campaigns that seek to identify who is to blame for
Russia's current predicament. That is because Russians who think they know
"who is to blame" are far more likely to protest than those who do not.
Moreover, because of the overlap, the USIA polls found that between those who
protest for economic reasons and those who do so for political ones, any
increase in economic protests could spark an increase in political protests,
and vice versa.
  And third, as the USIA report notes, the roughly 7.5 million Russians who
have
participated in protests over the last several years may see their numbers
grow if additional Russians working in jobs they consider strategically
important are able to successfully challenge the authorities and win
concessions or at least back pay.
  Consequently, as the Russian government and Russian firms attempt to live up
to their promises to pay back wages, workers who have not yet received them
may seek to use strikes to catch up with those who have. And that in turn
could lead to an explosive cycle that the authorities might find difficult to
contain.
  None of this is to say that Russia is about to face a tidal wave of strikes
and political demonstrations. Rather it is to note that the passivity many
Russians have displayed up to now is the product of specific experiences and
calculations, just as much as it reflects some underlying national culture.
  And thus, it is to suggest that as in the past, the quiescence the Russians
now display could end more quickly and explosively than many observers now
predict.
--
"And it came to pass that in the last days catatonics
roamed the earth, and great m

Re: [CTRL] Libertarians: The Cult of Liberty

[nurev]

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Mike Moxley wrote:
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> Libertarians: The Cult of Liberty
> by Mike Moxley
>
> Libertarians claim to be the promoters and defenders of Liberty in the
> truest sense of the intentions of the founding fathers of our nation.  Is
> this so?
>
> To the Libertarian, the ULTIMATE VALUE of Libertarianism is Liberty, rather
> than Liberty being the result of a moral government of, by, and for a moral
> people.

Up until this point Moxley has it right. The rest is crap.

> The morality being based in religious principle.  The founders knew
> that morality could not exist outside of religious principle:
>
> "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is
> wholly inadequate to the government of any other."-John Adams

That was his opinion. The founders knew how corrosive was the power of
organized religion and always tried to keep it weak in regard to the
state while allowing individual use of religious addiction to
supernatural
nonsense.

>
> "Our ancestors established their system of government on morality and
> religious sentiment. Moral habits, they believed, cannot safely be
> entrusted on any other foundation than religious principle, not any
> government secure which is not supported by moral habits Whatever makes
> men good Christians, makes them good citizens." - Daniel Webster

Can they be good citizens if they are not Christians? Can they be
moral if
they are not Christians? What is moral anyway?

> We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human
> passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or
> gallantry, would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale
> goes through a net.  Our Constitution was made only for a moral and
> religious people.  It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.
> - John Adams, Oct.11, 1798 Address to the military

Hey Moxley, how do you feel about Capitalism? How does it fit into
your
Christian morality as expressed above?


> "Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity,
> religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man
> claim tribute to patriotism who should labor to subvert these great pillars
> of human happiness -- these firmest props of the duties of men and
> citizens. . . . reason and experience both forbid us to expect that
> national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principles."
> -George Washington

This from a man who got to be the richest man in the country by
stealing
the land he promised as payment to his soldiers for fighting a
revolution
of the rich.

>
> While the Libertarians have a form of morality as in their oft quoted: "Our
> liberties stop at another's nose", the libertarians lack of a moral
> STANDARD causes them to overshoot the nose and land one right between the
> eyes of another.  In other words, because of a lack of a moral standard,
> 100 Libertarians have 100 different ideas just exactly where your nose starts.

You got that right.

> So what religious principle is this American morality based in? Well, who
> were the fathers and grandfathers of our revolutionary founders?  The
> pilgrims and men such as Smith, Raleigh, William Penn. The morals of these
> men came from the religious principles set forth in the Holy Bible.  They
> dedicated this land to the God of the Bible.  To wit:
>
> Having undertaken for the Glory of God, and Advancement of the Christian
> Faith, and the Honour of our King and Country, a voyage to plant the first
> colony in the northern parts of Virginia; do by these presents, solemnly
> and mutually in the Presence of God and one of another, covenant and
> combine ourselves together into a civil Body Politick, for our better
> Ordering and Preservation, and Furtherance of the Ends aforesaid; And by
> Virtue hereof to enact, constitute, and frame, such just and equal Laws,
> Ordinances, Acts, Constitutions and Offices, from time to time, as shall be
> thought most meet and convenient for the General good of the Colony; unto
> which we promise all due submission and obedience. -Mayflower Compact, 1620
>
> The founders spoke of the morality of the Christian faith.  The writings,
> speeches, and quotes of the founders show that the Bible was their source
> of morality.  To the founders liberty was from God and was a direct result
> of living that morality and believing, despite overwhelming adversity, that
> God would bring them to victory and to true liberty. They actually believed
> that "Where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is Liberty" -II Corinthians 3:17.

So a bunch of superstitious bigots steal a continent in the name of
Christian
morality. That's typical.

> Proof?
> History will also afford the frequent opportunities of showing the
> necessity of a public religion, from its usefulness to the public; the
> advantage of a religious character among private persons; the mischiefs of
> superstition, &c. and the exce

[CTRL] Monica & Paula-Just the Facts

[Gavin Phillips]

 -Caveat Lector-

www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_btl/19990115_xcbtl_monica_lew.shtml

Monica Lewinsky and Paula Jones
Joseph Farah


How many times have you heard that Bill Clinton didn't
really commit perjury in his testimony in the Paula Jones
case because Monica Lewinsky was later deemed not
to be a material witness in the case?
Such a suggestion makes about as much sense to me as
concluding that because O.J. Simpson was found not
guilty of murdering Nicole Brown Simpson and Ron
Goldman that the victims are not really dead.
Here's why, no matter what any judge rules, Monica
Lewinsky's testimony in the Paula Jones case was
absolutely germane, relevant and critical to a fair and
just verdict in the case.
Let's review some basic facts: Paula Jones said
Arkansas Gov. Bill Clinton solicited her -- in the
crudest, most vulgar way, Billy-Bob, white trash
manner -- for oral sex. Not for straight sex, mind you.
Not for a long-term affair. Not for a night at a cheap
motel. No. For a few minutes of quick, wham, bam,
thank-you Ma'am oral sex in a hotel suite. He was a
busy man and he needed what he needed without any
foreplay, candlelight or small talk. And what he needed
was very specific -- he needed her to, in his words,
"kiss it."
Let's also keep in mind that Paula Jones was a state
employee. Clinton wasn't just her boss -- he was the
ultimate boss. He was the king of Arkansas. He could
move the Ozarks. There wasn't anything he couldn't do
in the land of Little Rock. Paula Jones was a lowly,
hourly employee who seldom if ever came into contact
with such movers and shakers.
When this simple peasant girl had the nerve to refuse
the wishes of her ultimate master, she was warned not
to make any trouble over this. Remember, he told her, I
know your supervisor -- we're good friends. Don't tell
anyone about this. You're a smart girl.
Disgusted by her experience, but frightened and
intimidated, too, she didn't make an issue of the brutish
harassment -- at least, not until a magazine article
suggested she had "come on" to the president and
offered to be his girlfriend. That was the last straw. She
wanted the record straight. She wanted Clinton to
apologize to her and let the world know she did no such
thing. He refused. Paula Jones got nothing from Bill
Clinton -- until she sued him and received, after much
delay, an $850,000 settlement.
Now, let's go to Lewinsky. Why is her testimony so
relevant? Like Paula Jones, she was a lowly White
House employee. An intern, she was about as far
removed from the powerful world of the president of
the United States as you could get. Yet, she was under
his influence, under his command and -- in this case --
under his spell. Lewinsky obligingly gave Clinton just
what he wanted between those hectic meetings with
Yasser Arafat, pesky congressmen and Eleanor
Mondale. And notice that he wanted the same thing
from both Jones and Lewinsky.
But, unlike Jones who didn't cooperate, Lewinsky was
rewarded for her extracurricular activities. Even though
her job evaluation reviews were mediocre and the fact
that she was not well-regarded around the White House
as an employee, because of her performance on her
knees, she landed on her feet.
She got an assignment at the Defense Department and
top-security clearance. Later, the president got her
interviews for jobs at the United Nations with our U.N.
ambassador. He had Vernon Jordan get her job offers
from top corporations.
In short, her experience was quite a bit different from
Paula Jones, who, ultimately, felt compelled to leave the
state of Arkansas and move, with her husband, to
California.
I absolutely believe without a shadow of a doubt that, if
Clinton and Lewinsky had not lied under oath in the
Paula Jones case, Lewinsky's story would have
significantly buttressed Jones' case. I believe it would
have resulted in a guilty verdict and a sizable civil
judgment against Clinton. I believe Lewinsky's
testimony was only dismissed as immaterial because she
and the president lied in an effort to deny Paula Jones
justice in her civil rights case.
Remember all this the next time you hear one of those
Clinton apologists making the case that Monica
Lewinsky was not even a material witness in a case that
was dismissed.
Clinton should be in jail for that perjury, that
conspiracy, that flagrant disregard for equal justice
under the law, that contempt for the oaths he took. He
certainly cannot command the respect and integrity
needed by the chief law enforcement official in the most
powerful nation on earth.

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Re: [CTRL] Dear Congressman Hyde

[Linda Minor]

 -Caveat Lector-

My Heart's in Dixie wrote:
>Dear Representative Hyde, I made my son, William, either write you a
>letter or an essay as a punishment for lying.
>Part of his defense for his lying was that the president lied. He's
>still having difficulty understanding why the
>president can lie and not be punished.
>

+

Response:

Dear Representative Hyde:
Is omitting to tell the truth the same as lying?  Have you told the whole
truth about your own background, and, no, I don't mean sexual exploits.  I
mean important things, like the following:

>>PEGASUS: DIRTY MONEY LAUNDERING
But Tatum's story takes us even further along the dark road of power, greed
and corruption. During l986, he had left Honduras and set up a
money-laundering business in Watertown, New York State, close to the home
base of the Army's 10th Mountain Division at Fort Drum. The location was
chosen with care. With access to Fort Drum's telephone lines for secure
communications, he was assigned a Cherokee-140 fixed-wing aircraft,5 used to
ship personnel and supplies across the Canadian border under radar cover.
His tenure with these companies lasted from 1986 through to 1990. This was a
pure Pegasus operation.
It was at Watertown that Tatum was provided with a civilian cover in the
form of three construction companies: American National Home Builders,
American Constructors and American Homes.

Funding was provided by Henry Hyde, an Illinois Republican politician and
well known as the CIA's "black money" man. Hyde provided a US$250,000 line
of credit with Key Bank, Watertown. Although Tatum was listed as the
president in all three companies, in reality all were under the control of
Ben Whittaker, a lawyer from Rochester, New York. Whittaker, Tatum says, is
closely associated with Tony Wilson of the Wilson family who owned Xerox
Corporation. They are extremely wealthy and "friends of the Rothschilds and
Rockefellers". In addition, he was also closely associated with South
Eastern US Investment Group (SEUS) - an investment bank in Savannah,
Georgia - from 1985 through to 1989.

Another proprietary he was involved with was Irving Place Development, a
service organisation of Irving Bank and Trust Company. Cocaine proceeds were
laundered through these companies by an ingenious use of construction loans.
In response to a question asking why the "drug-related money" was placed in
"Arkansas, Colorado and Ohio", Tatum simply explains that he doesn't know
why, adding that "It was being done before I got there. I assume banking
laws and whether or not Bush had people in his pocket in these areas." He
does explain that the primary figure involved in the laundry exercise in
Arkansas was "Jack Stephens". Jackson Stephens, owner of Worthen Bank &
Trust Company, is closely aligned with President Bill Clinton. Tatum states
that "...Clinton received the cash and divided it up between Stephens and
[Dan] Lasater to clean it up. Stephens' company [Worthen Bank] was used as
the guarantor, providing 'warehouse' lines of credit."
Developing this theme in more detail, Tatum explains that the Enterprise was
receiving drugs in exchange for the guns they supplied to the Contras. The
raw product in the form of coca leaves was supplied by the Colombians and
pressed into large cube-shaped bales and then shipped to Nicaragua and
Honduras.6 All the "product" was pre-sold and the delivery into the US
"guaranteed".
This eventually resulted in the sale proceeds being pre-paid to Panama,
under Noriega's control. Some of this money was washed through banks and
other companies operating in Panama and elsewhere. The rest was sent to
Arkansas, Ohio and Colorado. Thereafter, the dirty money was filtered via
construction loans with permanent "takeouts" "arranged by banks and
mortgage- lenders". These, in turn, were later sold to Fannie Mae's and
Freddie Mac's - negotiable US Federal Mortgage Securities that are traded
globally on a daily basis. Each laundry "cycle" lasted from six months to a
year. The result was dirty money transformed into good, clean, US currency.
This system wasn't arbitrary or accidental. One initial "test-bed" was a
small residential mortgage lender named Carl I. Brown (CIB) in Kansas.
Others were larger, and still others became national. All were ultimately
destined to be purchased by a bank (proprietary) from Japan within a
specific time-frame, 1996, as part of ongoing Pegasus plans. Eric Brown, the
son of the founder of CIB, was heavily involved in these activities. Three
additional companies were involved, to Tatum's knowledge: US Homes, Pulte
Homes and Richmond Homes. All became very successful, providing "the
American dream - as VP Bush put it in a meeting in 1987".

PEGASUS: ASSASSINATION & NEUTRALISATION
Tatum has gone into considerable additional detail regarding the role of
Pegasus as he knew it. He believes Pegasus was established during the
Eisenhower years as a secret group inside the CIA to spy on that agency on
behalf of the President

[CTRL] 'Dear Mr. President'

[Gavin Phillips]

 -Caveat Lector-

More fallout from
'Dear Mr. President'
Popular talk show host
canned for support

By Stephan Archer
© 1999 WorldNetDaily.com
San Diego's No. 1 talk show host, Roger Hedgecock,
has been suspended from his contract with KUSI-TV,
San Diego, for giving favorable publicity to Steve Vaus'
nationwide "Dear Mr. President" ad campaign.
Hedgecock, who is under contract with KUSI to
provide political commentary twice a week, received a
call Wednesday night from the independent news
station saying he was suspended "indefinitely." The
reason given to Hedgecock was that he had violated his
contract.
Hedgecock refutes the notion that he violated his
contract with KUSI because the contract states he is to
provide conservative political commentary twice a
week for the station. This, Hedgecock says, is what he
was doing.
"I guess I'm a casualty of this 'Clinton' media because I
tried to put this ("Dear Mr. President" campaign) on the
air," Hedgecock said.
At KOGO, Hedgecock hosts a daily talk show as well.
During his talk show yesterday, Mike McKinnon,
owner of KUSI, called Hedgecock's show from his car
and announced over the air that Hedgecock had
violated his contract with KUSI.
In reply to McKinnon's statement over the air,
Hedgecock said that he had promoted many things
before, and had always received approval for them. He
says he had also received approval to air a supportive
commentary of the "Dear Mr. President" campaign.
In response, an indignant McKinnon told Hedgecock to
"clean out your ears."
Vaus, a singer and songwriter, and the creative driving
force behind the "Dear Mr. President" campaign,
witnessed the production of the show and said that he
could see "steam" coming out of Hedgecock's ears.
"This is censorship plain and simple," said Vaus.
"What it is, is a news station daring to censor me
because I would dare to criticize the president," said
Hedgecock.
The "Dear Mr. President" campaign features kids
reading letters to the president asking him for help and
advice after being caught lying or cheating. The spots
are currently airing as paid commercials in New York
City and Washington, D.C. In addition, hundreds of
other stations have donated airtime.
Two stations, though, have refused to sell any airtime to
the campaign -- the No. 1-rated WHUR in
Washington, D.C., and WFAN, the flagship station of
the "Imus in the Morning" program. However, based on
letters that the "Imus" computer bulletin board received,
it may be a bad idea not to sell airtime to the campaign.
The program's bulletin board received hundreds of
letters asking producers why they hadn't aired the "Dear
Mr. President" campaign on the show.
Commenting on the many people that have sent letters
to various radio stations demanding the campaign be
aired, Vaus said, "People are saying that they haven't
had a voice. They say that they look at the polls, but the
polls don't reflect any of their feelings. 'Finally, here is
an opportunity for me to be heard,' they say."
Vaus said that he's averaging about 20 radio interviews
a day due to the campaign. He's also receiving about
the same number of people requesting free copies.
The campaign is being funded by donations -- and out
of Vaus' own pocket. More information is available on
his Website.





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Re: [CTRL] The Ark of the Covenant

[JAH Publications]

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Dear CTRL list members,

There is absolutely no chance that the Israeli government could have The Ark
because it was removed to Ireland by Jeremiah as part of the punishment of
the Jewish people for not keeping The Covenant. If they have found anything
it is a copy and not the original. So the fight goes on.

For evidence of Jeremiah having died in Ireland visit:-
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atrium/2012/jere.htm

The Conspirators' or David Rupp's story, or wherever it came from is just a
smoke-screen put out to try to put you off getting involved to help me
recover it, because the Conspirators are afraid of its power to defeat them.

Please take no notice of the smoke-screen and write to Sile de Valera to
help persuade her to give me the permit to dig. In my experience there is no
such thing as luck.

Please take note that David Rupp's web-server is STARPOWER.NET the same as
Joshua2, who has also tried to discredit this story.

Why? What do they have to gain from trying to discredit me? Are they part of
the Conspiracy? What harm could it possibly do to 2 metres by 2 metres of
flat grass, in an open field, by letting me dig for the world's greatest
treasure? It makes no sense for them not to give me permission, unless they
don't want me to find it.

Think about it. Would you stop someone digging such a tiny area of grass, in
a field, if there was even a wildly remote chance of finding The Ark, unless
you didn't WANT it to be found?

Please get writing  and faxing now. Y2K is getting closer.

Peace be upon you,

JAH.


- Original Message -
From: David Rupp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 1999 11:53 PM
Subject: [CTRL] The Ark of the Covenant


> -Caveat Lector-
>
> Someone just sent this link to another list that I read:
> http://www.fine-art.com/Steadman/ark.txt
> It seems that the Ark has been located and it's in the hands of the
Israeli government. I'm sure that most of us can rest easy now, and JAH can
find a new crusade. Good luck!
>
> David Rupp




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