Re: [Elecraft] Installed K3EXREF

2011-03-20 Thread Jack Smith


On 3/19/2011 9:34 PM, Paul Christensen wrote:

Major snip of excellent information

At least some AM stations operating with digital subcarriers are GPS 
locked and can be extremely accurate. WMAL 630 KHz here in the 
Washington DC area is one example. It's as close to 630 KHz as I can 
measure (about 10 milli-Hz) and E-mail correspondence with the station's 
chief engineer confirmed the transmitter frequency is GPS locked.

I've measured other local AM stations as far as 16 Hz off - within the 
FCC's tolerance, but not of much use as a frequency standard.
 Commercial AM broadcast station
 frequencies are typically only accurate to about +/- 20 Hz although most are
 better than that.


Jack K8ZOA

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Re: [Elecraft] Don w3fpr

2011-03-20 Thread K9OSC
I certainly second that.  Don has been more than just a resource for me, but
a huge problem solver.  Not only is he tolerant of new owner's questions,
but he resolves them in a most professional manner. 

Thank you Don,

Bob - K9OSC

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Re: [Elecraft] Installed K3EXREF

2011-03-20 Thread David Pratt
Many thanks to Ed KL7UW, Ron AC7AC and Paul W9CA for your helpful
comments on the K3EXREF.

I look forward to this product being available in due course and I have
my 10 MHz standard poised in readiness.

73 de David G4DMP
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Re: [Elecraft] K3/10 in Attic Looking for Six Meters

2011-03-20 Thread Steve Kavanagh
Frank:

I have done quite a bit of operating on 6m SSB with 10 watts and a dipole (and 
in the past with 2 watts and a dipole).  Unfortunately I haven't had a K3 to do 
it with, but one the current versions is a K2 and homebrew transverter.

My dipole heights have ranged from 12 feet to 30 feet, but that's mostly been 
at hilltop portable locations during contests.  That experience makes me think 
that you will likely be able to work people with your current setup (assuming 
you can match the antenna), but that it will be something of a challenge, as it 
has been for me.  You probably won't find much until the sporadic E season 
starts around mid May.  

From hilltop sites, using 10W and a rotatable dipole at 12 ft, I can sometimes 
work mountin-top big gun stations out to about 400 km distance with no 
enhanced propagation at all. 

Really amazing 6m QSOs are rare with this sort of setupbut they do happen.  
I've worked Europe (at sunspot cycle peak) and the Caribbean (on summer 
sporadic E) with 2W/dipole@30', called CQ with that same setup (but with the 
dipole at 12 ft over flat land) on an apparently dead band and raised a W5, and 
so on.

I've also operated with 100 W and a 3 element beam on rare occasions it's 
MUCH easier that way ! 

73,
Steve VE3SMA


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Re: [Elecraft] Don w3fpr

2011-03-20 Thread Frank MacDonell
Don is the best. He really cares about helping others!

On Sunday, March 20, 2011, K9OSC k9os...@yahoo.com wrote:
 I certainly second that.  Don has been more than just a resource for me, but
 a huge problem solver.  Not only is he tolerant of new owner's questions,
 but he resolves them in a most professional manner.

 Thank you Don,

 Bob - K9OSC

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[Elecraft] Elecraft List Test Bounce

2011-03-20 Thread Terry Posey
Elecraft List Test Bounce

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Re: [Elecraft] Installed K3EXREF

2011-03-20 Thread goldtr8
So if I understand correctly this soon to be option is basically 
constantly adjusting the frequency of the K3 to be correct.

Or in other words a constant adjustment to the reference oscillator.

This could be a real nice to have, as I have been re-adjusting (zero 
beating to WWV) to try and tune my K3 to be spot on.  The reason I have 
been doing this is that I was thinking I was off frequency but I think 
that many radio's out there are off.

Thanks, now I need even more money.

Don
KD8NNU


On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 7:13 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:

 Installing the K3EXREF involves installing a connector/cable assembly 
 in the
 REF. hole in the K3's rear panel and running the cable under the RF 
 board to
 the front panel shield, then up behind the front panel shield. The 
 other end
 plugs into the TMP connector on the KREF3 reference oscillator board 
 that
 sticks through the hole in the shield.
 A small pony board plugs into the connector on the component side of 
 the
 KREF3 board, held in place by a screw that passes through it and the 
 KREF3
 board and into the PEM nut in the shield.
 The biggest part of the project is taking the left side off of the K3 
 to
 install the cable. If you have the K144XV installed, it needs to be 
 removed.
 If you have the KRX3 subreceiver, it can be left in place. You do 
 *NOT* need
 to remove the KRX3 module with all its cables.
 Ed's time of 1.5 hrs sounds about right for someone working carefully 
 and
 methodically, doing the job for the first time. There's no soldering, 
 of
 course, but still a fair bit of mechanical disassembly/reassembly.
 After doing it several times, I can probably do it in 30 minutes or a 
 bit
 less without rushing.
 Ron AC7AC

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 [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of David Pratt
 Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2011 3:49 PM
 To: Edward R. Cole
 Cc: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Installed K3EXREF

 That seems quite a long time to install it, Ted. What's involved?  I
 have looked for the manual on-line but it does seem to up there yet.

 Any more details would be appreciated;  I'd like to order one.

 73 de David G4DMP

 In a recent message, Edward R. Cole kl...@acsalaska.net writes

 It took me about 1-1/2 hours to install the new EXREF for referencing
 the TCXO to external 10-MHz.  I have not installed the new firmware
 or tested it yet...more news, later.
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Re: [Elecraft] Installed K3EXREF

2011-03-20 Thread Rick Stealey


Excellent posting by W9AC, a great reference, to be saved.
Now I wonder if it would be possible for someone to enlighten me as to 
the need for such extreme accuracy?  Is it because my K3 reads out to 1 Hz
but I can't really believe the absolute accuracy of that number unless I 
get a K3EXREF?  But if that is the case, my question would still remain,
wouldn't it?
Not that I need something else to put on my list ahead of my P3 and 
sub receiver.
Rick  K2XT
  
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Re: [Elecraft] Installed K3EXREF

2011-03-20 Thread David Pratt
The K3 is indeed sufficiently accurate for amateur use, but if you
already have a 10 MHz Rubidium, Caesium or GPS standard, Rick, then why
not couple it up your K3?  It's just another refinement and helps to put
yours existing frequency standard to good use.

73 de David G4DMP

In a recent message, Rick Stealey rstea...@hotmail.com writes

Excellent posting by W9AC, a great reference, to be saved.
Now I wonder if it would be possible for someone to enlighten me as to
the need for such extreme accuracy?
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Re: [Elecraft] Installed K3EXREF

2011-03-20 Thread ac5p
the need?  
Just because its there and something the import rigs dont have?
Mike AC5P






From: Rick Stealey rstea...@hotmail.com
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Sun, March 20, 2011 9:45:59 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Installed K3EXREF



Excellent posting by W9AC, a great reference, to be saved.
Now I wonder if it would be possible for someone to enlighten me as to 
the need for such extreme accuracy?  Is it because my K3 reads out to 1 Hz
but I can't really believe the absolute accuracy of that number unless I 
get a K3EXREF?  But if that is the case, my question would still remain,
wouldn't it?
Not that I need something else to put on my list ahead of my P3 and 
sub receiver.
Rick  K2XT
                        
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Re: [Elecraft] Installed K3EXREF

2011-03-20 Thread Jim Miller
What's a GPSDO setup go for including an antenna?

73

jim ab3cv
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Re: [Elecraft] K3/10 in Attic Looking for Six Meters

2011-03-20 Thread Phil Debbie Salas
It  is amazing what you can do with just a dipole on 6-meters when the band 
opens - though not sure about mounting it inside your attic.  I've been 
using just a 6-meter dipole mounted on my chimney here in the Dallas area 
for probably four years now.  No problem working all over the country when 
the band opens, though I have been using my K3 at 100 watts (IC-706MKIIG 
prior to the K3).  Just upgraded to a 4-element 6-meter beam - and I'm field 
testing a KPA500!

Phil - AD5X 

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Re: [Elecraft] Installed K3EXREF

2011-03-20 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
The question of 1 Hz accuracy can get multiplied a lot in VHF work.

If one is talking about HF, it is hard to see the need.  Personally, I
*LIKE* the idea of being spot on.  It's not a technological justification,
but one I might spend a moderate sum to nail.  If I was doing VHF or UHF
work, I would want it to get the combination of equipment very close.

If you are listening to HF SSB and expecting signals to be spot on kilohertz
boundaries, there are still many signals out there on equipment over a
quarter century old.  I helped an older gentleman with a 160 meter antenna
problem, and he included a station photo with an email. I was surprised to
see that he is STILL using a World War II ARC-5 transmitter as his main
transmitter on 160.  He uses an old National NC183 as his receiver at MF.
 AND, he has some recent contest first place in section finishes on 160 to
prove that it works.

This is perhaps the extreme, but many hams have and use very serviceable
older analog rigs without the frequency accuracy, and you will not find them
at kilohertz boundaries with 1 Hz accuracy.  I would only advise to have a
REASON for the accuracy before you start spending the money, even if that
reason is just that you WANT to be dead on a kilohertz boundary when you
transmit.  Nobody is going to throw you off the air because you are 10 Hz
off.

As the old gentleman proves quite adequately, it ain't the STUFF, it's what
you DO, that is all the fun.

That said, IS there a GPS governed 10 Mhz source to be had out there for
something less than a third world national debt?

73, Guy.

On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 10:02 AM, gold...@charter.net wrote:

 So if I understand correctly this soon to be option is basically
 constantly adjusting the frequency of the K3 to be correct.

 Or in other words a constant adjustment to the reference oscillator.

 This could be a real nice to have, as I have been re-adjusting (zero
 beating to WWV) to try and tune my K3 to be spot on.  The reason I have
 been doing this is that I was thinking I was off frequency but I think
 that many radio's out there are off.

 Thanks, now I need even more money.

 Don
 KD8NNU

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Re: [Elecraft] Installed K3EXREF

2011-03-20 Thread n5ge

My reason for wanting one of them is to maintain a stable frequency on VHF and
UHF.

73,
Tom
N5GE

On Sun, 20 Mar 2011 14:45:59 +, Rick Stealey rstea...@hotmail.com wrote:



Excellent posting by W9AC, a great reference, to be saved.
Now I wonder if it would be possible for someone to enlighten me as to 
the need for such extreme accuracy?  Is it because my K3 reads out to 1 Hz
but I can't really believe the absolute accuracy of that number unless I 
get a K3EXREF?  But if that is the case, my question would still remain,
wouldn't it?
Not that I need something else to put on my list ahead of my P3 and 
sub receiver.
Rick  K2XT
 
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Re: [Elecraft] Installed K3EXREF

2011-03-20 Thread Jim Miller
I'm guessing this is really useful for EME at UHF.

jim ab3cv
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Re: [Elecraft] Installed K3EXREF

2011-03-20 Thread Bruce Beford
Jim asked:
 What's a GPSDO setup go for including an antenna?
 73
 jim ab3cv

You can put together a GPSDO system with 10 MHz output for less than $200.
Here's just one example:
Ebay item # 290322053618 By buying the items separately, you can sometimes
do even better on price.

The Trimble thunderbolts are very popular because a lot have been pulled
from mobile phone tower sites during upgrades. I use one here to phase-lock
my HPSDR system and it works well. 

Bruce, N1RX



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Re: [Elecraft] K3/10 in Attic Looking for Six Meters

2011-03-20 Thread Wes Stewart
On Field Day in 2009 I took a look at 6-meters.  Mind you, my antenna is a 
dipole, mounted inverted-vee style, with the apex at 45 feet that consists of 
two wires fed in parallel, one cut for 80-meters and the other for 40-meters.  
The RG-8 run is about 175'.

It's hot in Tucson in June so a few clubs head for the mountains near here and 
operate from the (relative) cool 8000-9000+ feet altitude.  One of those 
line-of-sight stations was cluttering up 50.125 and covering up some Es 
stations.  

So I tuned a bit lower in frequency and heard a CW CQ.  It was JL8GFB. I gave a 
call, expecting nothing and he came right back to me. He continued to call CQ 
for quite a while without any further takers.  An hour and ten minutes later, I 
heard JA7WSZ calling CQ and worked him too.  So the band was open to JA for 
over an hour and no one was paying attention.

Considering the mismatch loss in the line my ERP was probably a few watts. I 
did have a HB receiver preamp on the K3, however.

Wes N7WS

--- On Sun, 3/20/11, Phil  Debbie Salas dpsa...@tx.rr.com wrote:

 It  is amazing what you can do
 with just a dipole on 6-meters when the band 
 opens - though not sure about mounting it inside your
 attic.  I've been 
 using just a 6-meter dipole mounted on my chimney here in
 the Dallas area 
 for probably four years now.  No problem working all
 over the country when 
 the band opens, though I have been using my K3 at 100 watts
 (IC-706MKIIG 
 prior to the K3).  Just upgraded to a 4-element
 6-meter beam - and I'm field 
 testing a KPA500!
 
 Phil - AD5X 
 
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Re: [Elecraft] Installed K3EXREF

2011-03-20 Thread Nate Bargmann
While this sounds interesting, has any progress been made for those of
us who have the TCXO to be able to program its printed offsets in the
firmware and have it act on them?  The fields are currently there in the
K3 utility but as yet unused, as I understand it.  I would be pleased to
have this functionality enabled.

73, de Nate 

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Re: [Elecraft] OT elecraf/K4TMC??

2011-03-20 Thread Gary K9GS
I ran a scan using Malwarebytes and Spybot SD and had no hits.  I ended 
up blocking k4...@aol.com at the server level and this seems to have 
solved the problem.  Sorry Harry that this happened to you.  I've seen 
this happen on other list servers before but never to this extent.  If I 
recall they were on YahooGroups and Yahoo must take pretty quick actions 
to solve because it never lasts long.

I really hate spammers..

On 3/19/2011 9:37 PM, Paul Saville wrote:
 Henry,

 It is likely that your computer is or was infected with some malware
 that allows it to be used as a spam relay.

 Get a friend (who has an un-infected PC) to download and burn the AVG
 Rescue CD from avg dot com (it's free). Boot and scan from the CD and
 see what it finds.

 (I am an AVG customer, but have no other connection with them.)

 73 Paul ZL3IN

 On 20/03/2011 11:11 a.m., k4...@aol.com wrote:
   Gary and all Elecraft users,

 I apologize for any spam that has been generated from my email account.

 I have taken measures to hopefully preclude this from happening again.  
 Somehow, after over 10 years with the current account, my email account was 
 compromised.  Not sure how it happened, but I started getting hundreds of 
 failed email notes in my spam filter.  Since no one notified me of the 
 issue, I was not aware of it until yesterday afternoon.

 73,
 Henry Pollock - K4TMC
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[Elecraft] [K3] Auto-Tuner Recommendations...

2011-03-20 Thread Phil Hystad
I am waiting for the KAT500 like many others but I may still want to buy an 
auto tuner for my K3 now if the KAT500 is a ways off.  Actually, I may even 
want two auto-tuners (or, maybe not).  But, I also have my backup rig, an Icom 
756 Pro III plus Icom PW-1 for any SSB I do with power.  So, an auto-tuner 
hefty enough for a 1 KW signal might be useful.

Alternatively, if the quality is good and the price reasonable (under $500) I 
might consider a 100 to 200 watt class auto-tuner.

The Palstar AT-Auto is expensive and sophisticated but I hear that it does not 
work with the K3 (at least, I work in the fashion expected).  I know of the MFJ 
auto tuner too but I am not sure how that works with the K3 so I am looking for 
any users out there in K3-land who might comment.

73, phil, K7PEH

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Re: [Elecraft] Don w3fpr

2011-03-20 Thread Eugene Balinski
All,

  I can't speak highly enough of Don.  His knowledge of the
K2 and related is truly amazing.  He, through a dozen or
more emails, helped me diagnose a crazy problem with my
KPA-100.   Thanks a million Don !

Gene K1NR
K2  6xxx


On Sun, 20 Mar 2011 04:00:36 -0700 (PDT)
 K9OSC k9os...@yahoo.com wrote:
 I certainly second that.  Don has been more than just a
 resource for me, but
 a huge problem solver.  Not only is he tolerant of new
 owner's questions,
 but he resolves them in a most professional manner. 
 
 Thank you Don,
 
 Bob - K9OSC
 
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Re: [Elecraft] Don w3fpr

2011-03-20 Thread Phil Townsend
Don is an Elecraft GOD!!!

I am not worthy. Well, maybe a little.

Phil
Santa Fe
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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Auto-Tuner Recommendations...

2011-03-20 Thread Doug Person
I really prefer the LDG tuners over the MFJ.  I have several and they 
all work well. I also have an MFJ tuner so my comparison is based on 
side-by-side operation.  Right now, I have the AT-600Pro in line with 
the K3/100 and the the Ameritron ALS-600. I have very good results 
running into a 160 feet doublet fed with good quality 300 ohm twinlead.  
I have a DX Engineering 1:1 current balun inline after the tuner.  This 
is a very effective setup.

73, Doug -- K0DXV

On 3/20/2011 10:33 AM, Phil Hystad wrote:
 I am waiting for the KAT500 like many others but I may still want to buy an 
 auto tuner for my K3 now if the KAT500 is a ways off.  Actually, I may even 
 want two auto-tuners (or, maybe not).  But, I also have my backup rig, an 
 Icom 756 Pro III plus Icom PW-1 for any SSB I do with power.  So, an 
 auto-tuner hefty enough for a 1 KW signal might be useful.

 Alternatively, if the quality is good and the price reasonable (under $500) I 
 might consider a 100 to 200 watt class auto-tuner.

 The Palstar AT-Auto is expensive and sophisticated but I hear that it does 
 not work with the K3 (at least, I work in the fashion expected).  I know of 
 the MFJ auto tuner too but I am not sure how that works with the K3 so I am 
 looking for any users out there in K3-land who might comment.

 73, phil, K7PEH

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[Elecraft] KPA 100 DC power Plug

2011-03-20 Thread Andrew UK
Dear Sir,

Can anyone help

I need replace the plugs (black and Red) on the end of my high power DC
lead, as they have over heated and now misshapen. I can source locally
if I knew what they are called or what series of connector they are.
Failing that I will need to order some replacements. No damaged has
occurred on the KPA 100 input socket/plug

BR

Andrew


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Re: [Elecraft] Installed K3EXREF

2011-03-20 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
There have been some homebrew GPS standards in the literature for those who
like melting solder. One was in QST back in July '98. AA engineering is
offering circuit boards and has the original QST article on their site
(http://www.a-aengineering.com/ )

I certainly agree with David that the K3 needs no apologies for its
inherently outstanding frequency stability. The K3EXREF just makes it better
:-) 

Ron AC7AC

-Original Message-

The K3 is indeed sufficiently accurate for amateur use, but if you
already have a 10 MHz Rubidium, Caesium or GPS standard, Rick, then why
not couple it up your K3?  It's just another refinement and helps to put
yours existing frequency standard to good use.

73 de David G4DMP

In a recent message, Rick Stealey rstea...@hotmail.com writes

Excellent posting by W9AC, a great reference, to be saved.
Now I wonder if it would be possible for someone to enlighten me as to
the need for such extreme accuracy?
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Re: [Elecraft] KPA 100 DC power Plug

2011-03-20 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
They are Anderson PowerPole connectors. They are available just about
everywhere including direct from Elecraft. Info on ordering from Elecraft is
in the manual. 
 73,

Ron AC7AC



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To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA 100 DC power Plug

Dear Sir,

Can anyone help

I need replace the plugs (black and Red) on the end of my high power DC
lead, as they have over heated and now misshapen. I can source locally
if I knew what they are called or what series of connector they are.
Failing that I will need to order some replacements. No damaged has
occurred on the KPA 100 input socket/plug

BR

Andrew


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Re: [Elecraft] Don w3fpr

2011-03-20 Thread Jack Brindle
Gee guys, we have to work with Don. Don't swell his head too big! ;-) :-) :-)

I can just see Don right now - he is either blushing with embarrassment, or 
grinning ear-to-ear.
You deserve the accolades, my friend.

Jack Brindle, W6FB


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 Don is an Elecraft GOD!!!
 
 I am not worthy. Well, maybe a little.
 
 Phil
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Re: [Elecraft] Installed K3EXREF

2011-03-20 Thread Lyle Johnson
See  URL:http://www.jrmiller.demon.co.uk/projects/ministd/frqstd.htm 

73,

Lyle KK7P

I have no financial interest in James' products.  I know from decades of 
working with him that his stuff is meticulously engineered and 
optimised.  LJ

 That said, IS there a GPS governed 10 Mhz source to be had out there for
 something less than a third world national debt?

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[Elecraft] Installed K3EXREF

2011-03-20 Thread Edward R. Cole
Rick,

For the majority who only do CW/SSB on HF, adding the EXREF is 
probably unnecessary.  The TCXO-3 holds the K3 within 14-Hz on 
28-MHz.  The EXREF improves that by an order of magnitude to 1.4 Hz.

This becomes necessary for some digital modes like JT-65.  That is 
mainly used on eme on 144 and higher bands.  If you operate on the 
microwave bands oscillator error is mulitplied so that is becomes 
hard to get much freq. accuracy or stability.  On 1296 I use a 
transverter that has an external locked PLL LO.  That keeps it within 
1-Hz.  Typically one would not have better than a few KHz with a xtal 
oscillator on 105.67 MHz multiplied x12 = 1268 MHz.  Getting the 
accuracy on the transverter LO without also having it on 28-MHz IF 
radio is kind of being only Half-done.  With the K3 EXREF my 
combined 1296 freq. will equal that of the K3.  That is important 
when eme signals are so weak they cannot be detected by ear.  Add 
frequency errors to that and the task becomes very tough.

Now consider doing that at 10-GHz.  A few of us with K3's are mw'ers 
and/or eme'rs so the accuracy is very important to us.

Sidenote:  Use of 10-MHz WWV is nearly impossible if you run a 10-MHz 
station reference oscillator.  I have a mw freq.counter that uses a 
rubidium external reference.  I use it to check the frequency of my 
10-MHz OCXO which I run thru a 4-way distribution amp to feed things 
in the shack:
1) K3EXTREF
2) 144/28 Transverter (DEMI)
3) 1296/28 Transverter (DEMI)
4) future item

The OCXO was bought off e-bay for $39.99+shipping, and is very 
stabile but does drift over months so I tweak it back to the 
Rubidium about 4 times a year.  It runs 24/7 on a battery supply 
floated by a charger.

All can be seen on my website (including newly added instructions for 
adding sub-Rx IF Out).
73, Ed - KL7UW

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Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 14:45:59 +
From: Rick Stealey rstea...@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Installed K3EXREF
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net

Excellent posting by W9AC, a great reference, to be saved.
Now I wonder if it would be possible for someone to enlighten me as to
the need for such extreme accuracy?  Is it because my K3 reads out to 1 Hz
but I can't really believe the absolute accuracy of that number unless I
get a K3EXREF?  But if that is the case, my question would still remain,
wouldn't it?
Not that I need something else to put on my list ahead of my P3 and
sub receiver.
Rick  K2XT



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Re: [Elecraft] Installed K3EXREF

2011-03-20 Thread Paul Christensen
Another benefit of the GPS-DO is that routine calibration to ensure 
long-term accuracy is the responsibility of the U.S. Department of Defense, 
and funded by U.S. tax payers.  Unless there's a hardware-related problem 
with the GPS-DO, calibration is someone else's problem and expense.  The 
user need only care that the unit has attained Lock status.

Paul, W9AC



 

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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft SSB Net Announcement

2011-03-20 Thread Kurt Cramer

Net is now on 14.317
Kurt

 From: ph...@riousa.com
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 13:58:24 -0700
 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft SSB Net Announcement
 
 The weekly SSB net will be tomorrow (3/20/11) at 1800z on 14.314 MHz. I will
 be the net control station from western Oregon.  If we have intentional QRM,
 can those of you with steerable antennas please try to get a bearing on the
 offending signal.  Let's hope the problem doesn't continue.  See you there.
 
 73,
 Phil, NS7P
 
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[Elecraft] An unobtrusive 6M antenna for your K3

2011-03-20 Thread Ken - K0PP

I don't know if your antenna in the attic is due to antenna
restrictions or building construction, but here's a suggestion.

My K3 has a second receiver whose sole purpose is to
monitor six meters.  It's antenna connection only appears
at the BNC jack on the rear of the K3.

The antenna for the second receiver is a low-band GP
comprised mostly of Maxrad mobile antenna parts, mounted 
on a base station antenna conversion kit.  The base station 
kits are intended for VHF use, and the four supplied radials 
are short for 6M. I've replaced them with 55 whips intended
as the radiator of a low-band mobile antenna.

I used five of the 55 whips intended for the lower portion
of the low-band commercial band to build my 6M GP.

While not invisible, the antenna can be very unobtrusive.,
and could be mounted on a toilet vent pipe close to the
roof and might be not noticed.  I can provide a photo to
anyone interested.

BTW, it's a little-known fact that the 5/8-wave 2M mobile
antennas that many of us have on our vehicles are very
close to resonance on 6M and will work reasonably well
on that band.

73!
Ken Kopp - K0PP
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[Elecraft] K3 Saving JT65-HF freq mode in memories

2011-03-20 Thread Mike K2MK
I am just beginning to play around with JT65-HF and I saved the various HF
frequencies to memory positions using the K3 Frequency Memory Editor. When
choosing the mode using the memory program, DATA is one of the choices. But
there are no specific data mode choices. As a result, the data modes were
always stored as AFSK A. I want DATA A.

In an attempt to correct this I went to each of the saved frequencies,
manually changed the data mode to DATA A and pressed V-M to overwrite the
memory. This did not fix the problem. Each memory position still came back
as AFSK A.

Any ideas.

73,
Mike K2MK

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[Elecraft] K3EXREF

2011-03-20 Thread Max Kempson
If you want to participate in the WSPR project you need to be within 1Hz.

73

Max/ZL4VV

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[Elecraft] [K3] Lack of audio punch

2011-03-20 Thread Barry
Hi all,
I listened to my QSOs with GW4BLE in the ARRL DX SSB test via his web 
applet (very cool!) at http://gw4ble.dxlist.co.uk/index.php

IMO,  my audio lacks punch.  I'm using the MH-2 mic with comp at 26. TX 
EQ settings: -16 -16 -12 0 0 +6 +6 +4.

Any thoughts on how to improve the punch?

My callsign was pre-recorded and stored in the K3 DVR.  When listening 
thru the MON, live audio sounds much better than the DVR playback of my 
callsign.  Does recorded audio in the DVR go through the TX EQ filters 
either when recorded or during playback?  How about compression?

Tnx,
Barry W2UP

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[Elecraft] Another K3/100 is on the air (AC0LP)

2011-03-20 Thread Jobst Vandrey
Assembly was absolutely fool proof - except that I was the fool when I could 
not find one of the small parts bags that had slipped under a cardboard box 
flap.  Fortunately, I kept looking and found the errant parts so that the build 
could be finished and the rig on the air in two days.  Hopefully, the parts 
group at Elecraft will forgive me for the email requesting the missing part 
followed in a few hours by a second I Found It email.

So far, only one contact on 20 meter PSK31 - just enough to prove that all was 
really working as intended - now it's time to get really deeply into the manual 
and get the configuration where I want it and my comfort with the controls up 
to par as well.

Jobst
AC0LP
K3/100 SN:5283
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Re: [Elecraft] Don w3fpr

2011-03-20 Thread Don Wilhelm
  Thanks everyone,

Thank you 'heaps and bunches' all for the very nice remarks.  But I 
would certainly not attempt to elevate myself to divinity status :-) -- 
I do hope to be able to continue to be worthy of your appreciative 
comments for some long time.

I am always willing to share those things I have learned over the past 
12 years of my relationship with Elecraft, it has been a fun experience, 
and has been very rewarding.  Thanks to Wayne and Eric for creating the 
K2 back in 1999 where I had the beginning of the fun.  I like to do what 
I can to help other hams make the best of their equipment.

Yes Jack, I have not changed (other than getting a bit older) - I think 
you and the rest of those at Elecraft can continue to work together with 
me :-) .

I will see some of you at Dayton - I will probably spend about half my 
time at the Elecraft booth again this year, so stop by and say hello.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 3/20/2011 1:50 PM, Jack Brindle wrote:
 Gee guys, we have to work with Don. Don't swell his head too big! ;-) :-) :-)

 I can just see Don right now - he is either blushing with embarrassment, or 
 grinning ear-to-ear.
 You deserve the accolades, my friend.

 Jack Brindle, W6FB


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 Don is an Elecraft GOD!!!

 I am not worthy. Well, maybe a little.

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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Lack of audio punch

2011-03-20 Thread David Ferrington, M0XDF
I believe that MH2 needs bias - I assume you had that set ?
73 de M0XDF
-- 
Do not pray for tasks equal to your powers; pray for powers equal to your
tasks. -Phillips Brooks, bishop and orator (1835-1893)

On 20 Mar 2011, at 21:06, Barry wrote:

 Hi all,
 I listened to my QSOs with GW4BLE in the ARRL DX SSB test via his web 
 applet (very cool!) at http://gw4ble.dxlist.co.uk/index.php
 
 IMO,  my audio lacks punch.  I'm using the MH-2 mic with comp at 26. TX 
 EQ settings: -16 -16 -12 0 0 +6 +6 +4.
 
 Any thoughts on how to improve the punch?
 
 My callsign was pre-recorded and stored in the K3 DVR.  When listening 
 thru the MON, live audio sounds much better than the DVR playback of my 
 callsign.  Does recorded audio in the DVR go through the TX EQ filters 
 either when recorded or during playback?  How about compression?

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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Lack of audio punch

2011-03-20 Thread Barry
Yes.
Barry W2UP

On 3/20/2011 3:39 PM, David Ferrington, M0XDF wrote:
 I believe that MH2 needs bias - I assume you had that set ?
 73 de M0XDF

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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Lack of audio punch

2011-03-20 Thread Don Wilhelm
  Barry,

How far up is the ALC meter kicking.  It should be showing 5 to 7 
bars.  If it is lower than that, go back to the beginning and adjust 
your mic gain - first set compression to zero, then set TX TEST so you 
don't bother others on the air, and adjust the mic gain until you 
illuminate ALC to 5 to 7 bars with normal speech.  Then add compression 
as you wish (you can use the monitor to judge that).

With the MH2, there is already some high frequency peaking, so you may 
do well to set all of the TX EQ bands to 0 except for the two lowest 
bands.  No guarantees, but it is worth a try.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 3/20/2011 5:06 PM, Barry wrote:
 Hi all,
 I listened to my QSOs with GW4BLE in the ARRL DX SSB test via his web
 applet (very cool!) at http://gw4ble.dxlist.co.uk/index.php

 IMO,  my audio lacks punch.  I'm using the MH-2 mic with comp at 26. TX
 EQ settings: -16 -16 -12 0 0 +6 +6 +4.

 Any thoughts on how to improve the punch?

 My callsign was pre-recorded and stored in the K3 DVR.  When listening
 thru the MON, live audio sounds much better than the DVR playback of my
 callsign.  Does recorded audio in the DVR go through the TX EQ filters
 either when recorded or during playback?  How about compression?

 Tnx,
 Barry W2UP

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Re: [Elecraft] K3EXREF

2011-03-20 Thread Bruce Beford
 If you want to participate in the WSPR project you need to be within 1Hz.
 73
 Max/ZL4VV
 
Actually, No. You just want to -drift- less than one Hertz during your
transmission period. Absolute accuracy is not required. A stable transmitter
is.
73,
Bruce, N1RX
 

 

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Re: [Elecraft] K3EXREF

2011-03-20 Thread Tony Estep
Right. The WSPR receive window is a couple of hundred hz wide. Your freq
doesn't have to be accurate, but your clock should be within a second of the
right time.

BTW, you can use WSPR to calibrate your rx and measure freq within a hz or
so; Dr. Taylor's instructions are in the latest documentation.

The various JT modes and the ideas behind them are a massive contribution to
amateur radio. It's cool to share your hobby with Nobel winners.

Tony KT0NY


On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 5:35 PM, Bruce Beford
bruce.bef...@myfairpoint.netwrote:

 ...You just want to -drift- less than one Hertz during your
 transmission period. Absolute accuracy is not required
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Re: [Elecraft] Installed K3EXREF

2011-03-20 Thread Matt Zilmer
The K3EXREF is in field test now, as far as I know.  It might be a
little while before Elecraft puts it up for sale.

Extreme accuracy probably has two psychological and one scientific
source:
- The need to put the K3 dead-on frequency is reassuring to folks that
aren't sure it stays that way mostly as-is with the TCXO.
- The desire to be a frequency authority, and be able to help others
when they're off-freq.  Hams with older rigs sometimes end up shifted
off freq.  On HF, I hear this a lot.
- Knowing exactly what frequency you're on helps with band-edge
issues, for example between the Extra-only CW sub-bands and the
general CW sub-band.  With a 1 Hz readout, this is seldom a problem,
but it gets even better when the last digit also indicates the actual
carrier freq.

The K3 with just the stock TCXO holds the reference at somewhere below
1 PPM anyway.  This is probably accurate enough for almost everyone,
but some want near-perfect accuracy.  GPS time has an uncertainty of
around 0.3 nS, which is pretty low compared to 1PPM.  No TCXO can beat
that, but maybe an OCXO can?

73,
matt W6NIA



On Sun, 20 Mar 2011 14:45:59 +, you wrote:



Excellent posting by W9AC, a great reference, to be saved.
Now I wonder if it would be possible for someone to enlighten me as to 
the need for such extreme accuracy?  Is it because my K3 reads out to 1 Hz
but I can't really believe the absolute accuracy of that number unless I 
get a K3EXREF?  But if that is the case, my question would still remain,
wouldn't it?
Not that I need something else to put on my list ahead of my P3 and 
sub receiver.
Rick  K2XT
 
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Re: [Elecraft] [Elecraft_K3] KR3 SW Receiver

2011-03-20 Thread Matt Zilmer
Thanks for a good answer, Ed.  No, I was not asking for someone to
design and market a 20 - 500 KHz transverter (for me).  I would rather
do it myself, but lack the time at present.

Will look at the link you posted.  

Thanks and 73,
matt W6NIA

On Fri, 18 Mar 2011 08:21:08 -0800, you wrote:

The simple SBL-1 mixer can already do that.  I'm not sure how low in 
freq. it would work, but 20-KHz seems reasonable.  Just tune the K3 
at F to F-480 with an LO = F-500 KHz

Using an LO = 3-MHz the 80m band could be translated (mixed) down to 
0-500 KHz (with some limitations near the bottom end).
The mixer would likely need a preamp ahead of it and probably a good 
tunable preselector (tunable filtering).

No firmware needed to do this.

For full transceiver operation just add a second mixer for the 
transmit path to the KVX-3.  The full G3XBM transverter will provide 
5-8w output:
http://sites.google.com/site/g3xbmqrp/Home/136k

I think the part of the discussion is: if someone started working on 
a receive converter for 20 to 500 KHz.  You can do it yourself.  But 
if this is saying: I wish someone would make me something, then are 
there enough buyers to make such an effort worthwhile?

Lets say I can build this and sell it for $250.  I invest $5,000 to 
make up 20 of them.  How long till I make back my investment?  This 
is so simple why would anyone buy one from me?

73, Ed - KL7UW

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Message: 34
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 21:48:31 -0700
From: Matt Zilmer mzil...@verizon.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Elecraft_K3] KR3 SW Receiver.
To: Ken Alexander k.alexan...@rogers.com
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net, elecraft...@yahoogroups.com
Message-ID: q3o5o6hj8cnup6j0v4gpqcqa1gorc9k...@4ax.com
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

Maybe if someone started working on a receive converter for 20 to 500
KHz, with TX ability on 470 to 500, the firmware would come for it?
Could test it with any IF on which the K3 can receive.  The K3 can
already be operated as a transverter IF at 1 mW for the 500 KHz range,
albeit with a few restrictions.

Too bad I don't have the time here.   But a lot of Elecraft
projects get started because someone from outside the company thought
them up.  If there is enough pent up demand, somebody will work on
this.

The K3 would make a !great! SWL receiver, but it isn't very well known
outside the amateur community (my guess).

73,
matt W6NIA





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[Elecraft] [K3} Swap - 8 pole 400Hz filter for 1.8KHz 8 pole filter

2011-03-20 Thread Jeff Cochrane - VK4BOF
Hi everyone,
After trying for the past few months to learn CW I have finally decided to 
write the idea of me learning CW off as a bad idea as it appears that I 
rythmically challenged and just cannot get my head around it.  (I'd also make a 
very bad Catholic too but lets not go there!) :-)

So, I'd like to swap my 8 pole 400HZ CW filter  for a 1.8KHz 8 pole filter.
I will pay the postage cost to send my filter to you if you do the same with 
your filter that you send to me.

Please contact me off-list.

Thanks for your time,
Jeff Cochrane - VK4BOF
Elecraft K3 # 4257 + PR6 + K144XV = multiband greatness!
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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Lack of audio punch

2011-03-20 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
Listening on phones here, it seems to me your audio lacks high-frequency
emphasis. The other signals have much more than yours, and crisp highs are
critical to punch (which is why the YL's used to have it over us on the
old AM xmtrs ;-) 

Ron AC7AC

-Original Message-
Hi all,
I listened to my QSOs with GW4BLE in the ARRL DX SSB test via his web 
applet (very cool!) at http://gw4ble.dxlist.co.uk/index.php

IMO,  my audio lacks punch.  I'm using the MH-2 mic with comp at 26. TX 
EQ settings: -16 -16 -12 0 0 +6 +6 +4.

Any thoughts on how to improve the punch?

My callsign was pre-recorded and stored in the K3 DVR.  When listening 
thru the MON, live audio sounds much better than the DVR playback of my 
callsign.  Does recorded audio in the DVR go through the TX EQ filters 
either when recorded or during playback?  How about compression?

Tnx,
Barry W2UP


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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Lack of audio punch

2011-03-20 Thread Lyle Johnson
Hello Barry!

 Any thoughts on how to improve the punch?

Different voices have different amplitude levels at the pitches that 
penetrate, so the appropriate settings are all a matter of testing and 
adjusting and testing again.

 My callsign was pre-recorded and stored in the K3 DVR.  When listening
 thru the MON, live audio sounds much better than the DVR playback of my
 callsign.  Does recorded audio in the DVR go through the TX EQ filters
 either when recorded or during playback?  How about compression?


DVR audio is substituted in the path instead of mic audio.  So, sending 
a DVR message you can then adjust TX  EQ and CMP and hear the effect of 
the adjustments.

Using TX TEST mode, you can do this without radiating a signal or 
warming your dummy load.

73,

Lyle KK7P
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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Lack of audio punch

2011-03-20 Thread Jim Brown
On 3/20/2011 3:28 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
 ow far up is the ALC meter kicking.  It should be showing 5 to 7
 bars.  If it is lower than that, go back to the beginning and adjust
 your mic gain - first set compression to zero, then set TX TEST so you
 don't bother others on the air, and adjust the mic gain until you
 illuminate ALC to 5 to 7 bars with normal speech.  Then add compression
 as you wish (you can use the monitor to judge that).

YES.   VERY often, I hear audio that is so badly distorted that it is 
muffled and hard to copy. The fix is VERY simple -- TURN DOWN THE AUDIO 
GAIN!  The directions Don has given you (and that are in the Elecraft 
manual) are exactly the right way to get there. As to compression,  I 
like to see no more than about 10 dB of compression on voice peaks. Use 
the meter display that allows you to see ALC and COMP.  The NUMBER that 
you need to get there doesn't matter. What matters is how high the COMP 
meter goes.

 With the MH2, there is already some high frequency peaking, so you may
 do well to set all of the TX EQ bands to 0 except for the two lowest
 bands.  No guarantees, but it is worth a try.

All of the Heil mics I've heard have been harsh, so the last thing I 
would do is add high peaking (that is, boosting the higher bands).  I 
WOULD roll off the lower two or three bands the maximum amount.

BTW -- you should ALWAYS adjust TXEQ BEFORE setting Mic Gain and COMP, 
because TXEQ can have a HUGE effect on those settings.

73, Jim Brown K9YC.

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Re: [Elecraft] Installed K3EXREF

2011-03-20 Thread Jerry Muller
This was an excellent explanation.

I got a Trimble Thunderbolt off eBay for less than 200 bucks. It came from 
China and came with an antenna and power supply. If you are going to get one 
of the ones that come from China, make sure you get the power supply with 
it. The domestic Thunderbolts have a unipolar supply but the ones from China 
were specials and require a special bipolar power supply. As long as you're 
getting the power supply with it, you're OK. I have not noticed any noise 
from the power supply from China. I expect ferrites may solve the problem if 
found.

It works just fine with the stock Thunderbolt software. I've had mine for 
about 6 months and I've run tests using the Thunderbolt software. The PC 
monitoring software allows you to monitor the errors detected and log them. 
The accuracy is quite good. Although I see occasional errors greater than 1 
part in 10^9, most of the measured errors are far less than 1 part in 10^9. 
I can't find any of the spreadsheets I generated (from many hours of 
operation) right now but I seem to recall that 1 sigma was down around 1 
part in 10^10. This translates into a 1 Hz error at 10 GHz. The +/- 1 Hz 
error in the K3 is much greater than the accuracy of the GPSDO

My primary reason for getting the GPSDO was for microwave and EME 
operations. Being able to use it with the K3 is a plus. I'm likely to be an 
early adopter of the production units when they become available. I will 
probably order my second K3 with a K3EXREF.

Jerry - K0TV

- Original Message - 
From: Paul Christensen w...@arrl.net
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2011 9:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Installed K3EXREF


I installed it on Friday in about 30 minutes, but I'm comfortable with my
 way around the K3.  I would think that most users could install it in 
 about
 an hour or less.  Installation is actually very simple with very few parts
 involved.  K3EXREF came with an SMA connector and SMA to BNC 
 between-series
 adapter.

 Performance is exactly as promised by Elecraft.  Although K3EXREF will not
 phase lock the K3 to the external frequency source, I'm finding that it
 stays within 1 Hz on 20m when locked to CHU at 14.670 MHz.   I'm also
 finding that testing for zero-beat to WWV at 10 MHz is not a good idea in 
 my
 shack, and perhaps yours too.  There are many 10 MHz signals being emitted
 by nearby appliances, LAN routers, security system, Ethernet boards, etc.
 That common, even frequency is everywhere in a household these days.

 In much of North America, CHU is an excellent source for testing since it
 keeps cesium accuracy like WWV but the odd frequency of CHU is a real
 benefit since the chance for beating against extraneous signals is much
 smaller than at 10 MHz.  Testing at a higher frequency rather than say the
 MW broadcast band also provides for a reasonably good account of how the
 K3EXREF performs.   After installation, I would also suggest not trying to
 test zero beat K3EXREF against commercial MW or SW BC stations since their
 carriers are allowed to deviate much more than the cesium-based time and
 frequency standards of CHU and WWV.  Commercial AM broadcast station
 frequencies are typically only accurate to about +/- 20 Hz although most 
 are
 better than that.

 The K3's 49 MHz oscillator is only adjusted at intervals between 4 and 8
 seconds by K3EXREF in order to minimize jitter.  The K3 retains its 
 original
 phase noise performance since the external reference is not used internal 
 to
 the K3's frequency generating scheme.  Think of it this way -- K3EXREF is
 like lightly touching the 49 MHz oscillator with a feather every few 
 seconds
 if necessary to keep it within 1 Hz or so.  Also, the K3 frequency stays
 accurate even at the moment of powering up the K3.  Kinda' fun to watch 
 the
 49 MHz oscillator display change during warm-up as it's being corrected 
 and
 compared against the external reference.

 External references:  There are three primary types, and all can be
 purchased for less than USD $150 on the used market.  Cesium standards (a
 fourth type) are also available but are generally much more expensive,
 complicated, and won't offer any benefit to K3 users since K3EXREF limits
 resolution and accuracy to about 1 Hz.

 The first type is the GPS Disciplined Oscillator (GPS-DO).   This type of
 standard locks itself onto the visible GPS satellites orbiting the sky.
 Requires a GPS antenna and is self-calibrating to the GPS satellites.  The
 GPS-DO's time and frequency averages from the visible satellites, each
 satellite having it's own on-board cesium-based oscillator.  Long-term
 accuracy is usually good to at least 1 x 10^-11.  Extreme accuracy and 
 only
 a magnitude or two behind cesium.  Look for Hewlett-Packard Z3801A, 
 Z3816A,
 Trimble Thunderbolt, Brandywine, Symmetricon, and Datum models.  Short 
 list,
 but many others available.

 Rubidium is the next type.  No GPS tracking needed.  Accuracy 

Re: [Elecraft] Installed K3EXREF

2011-03-20 Thread Jerry Muller
Speaking of band edges

During the recent ARRL DX SSB contest, there was a station operating on 
7127. Because of the lower SB extending to 7124 (assuming 3k bandwidth) he 
was operating out of the US phone band. He was a European but he was working 
simplex. I bet there was an OO sitting there sending notices to every US 
contact he made.

If you KNOW your frequency to 1 Hz, you can legally operate with your dial 
on 14149.9 and still be in the band. Likewise 7300.1. Also RTTY on 3601, 
etc. etc. A super accurate transmitter has it's advantages :-)

Jerry - K0TV

- Original Message - 
From: Matt Zilmer mzil...@verizon.net
To: Rick Stealey rstea...@hotmail.com
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2011 6:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Installed K3EXREF


 The K3EXREF is in field test now, as far as I know.  It might be a
 little while before Elecraft puts it up for sale.

 Extreme accuracy probably has two psychological and one scientific
 source:
 - The need to put the K3 dead-on frequency is reassuring to folks that
 aren't sure it stays that way mostly as-is with the TCXO.
 - The desire to be a frequency authority, and be able to help others
 when they're off-freq.  Hams with older rigs sometimes end up shifted
 off freq.  On HF, I hear this a lot.
 - Knowing exactly what frequency you're on helps with band-edge
 issues, for example between the Extra-only CW sub-bands and the
 general CW sub-band.  With a 1 Hz readout, this is seldom a problem,
 but it gets even better when the last digit also indicates the actual
 carrier freq.

 The K3 with just the stock TCXO holds the reference at somewhere below
 1 PPM anyway.  This is probably accurate enough for almost everyone,
 but some want near-perfect accuracy.  GPS time has an uncertainty of
 around 0.3 nS, which is pretty low compared to 1PPM.  No TCXO can beat
 that, but maybe an OCXO can?

 73,
 matt W6NIA



 On Sun, 20 Mar 2011 14:45:59 +, you wrote:



Excellent posting by W9AC, a great reference, to be saved.
Now I wonder if it would be possible for someone to enlighten me as to
the need for such extreme accuracy?  Is it because my K3 reads out to 1 Hz
but I can't really believe the absolute accuracy of that number unless I
get a K3EXREF?  But if that is the case, my question would still remain,
wouldn't it?
Not that I need something else to put on my list ahead of my P3 and
sub receiver.
Rick  K2XT

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Re: [Elecraft] K3/10 in Attic Looking for Six Meters

2011-03-20 Thread david m
On Sun, 2011-03-20 at 12:00 -0400, elecraft-requ...@mailman.qth.net
wrote:
 Re: [Elecraft] K3/10 in Attic Looking for Six Meters

I have a similar setup.  I have a ~120 ft dipole made out of ribbon
cable strung under my eaves, and wrapped around the sides of the house.
Not ideal,  but it is nearly invisible,  and I have worked 44 of 50
states on 75m SSB, many contacts on 40m and 20m (mainly PSK31, but some
SSB), several in Europe, all with K2/100 #7006 with an external
autotuner.  I'm in the planning stages for a better wire antenna in the
backyard.

David  AJ4TF

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Re: [Elecraft] Installed K3EXREF

2011-03-20 Thread Don Wilhelm
  Jerry,

RE: 14149.9 kHz ---
I would not be comfortable cutting it that close in USB unless I was 
absolutely certain there was absolutely no energy in the SSB audio 0 to 
100 Hz range.  I would not trust any transmitter (no matter how good) in 
that regard.  Keep it all within the band limits to be safe.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 3/20/2011 9:12 PM, Jerry Muller wrote:
 Speaking of band edges

 During the recent ARRL DX SSB contest, there was a station operating on
 7127. Because of the lower SB extending to 7124 (assuming 3k bandwidth) he
 was operating out of the US phone band. He was a European but he was working
 simplex. I bet there was an OO sitting there sending notices to every US
 contact he made.

 If you KNOW your frequency to 1 Hz, you can legally operate with your dial
 on 14149.9 and still be in the band. Likewise 7300.1. Also RTTY on 3601,
 etc. etc. A super accurate transmitter has it's advantages :-)

 Jerry - K0TV

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Re: [Elecraft] Installed K3EXREF

2011-03-20 Thread Matt Zilmer
Most of the applications where extreme accuracy is really needed are
transverters at microwave freqs.  That is a lot of the feedback
received here.  I believe that.  It makes the most sense.

A couple of PPM is plenty good for HF, imho.  But there are those of
us that have the frequency fetish.  See the FMT for example.  Dunno
how many OO's have the capability to measure overall output to within
a few Hz, nor how many can measure amplitudes to required levels of
suppression.  There must be some, and some are K3 owners.

I got cited once, in 1973 by the FCC monitoring station in Kingsville,
TX, when my dial marker was off by about 1 KHz.  With the K3, nothing
like that is a worry.  But the K3EXREF makes it a certainty that you
will have no excuse

73,
matt W6NIA
K3 #24


On Sun, 20 Mar 2011 21:12:19 -0400, you wrote:

Speaking of band edges

During the recent ARRL DX SSB contest, there was a station operating on 
7127. Because of the lower SB extending to 7124 (assuming 3k bandwidth) he 
was operating out of the US phone band. He was a European but he was working 
simplex. I bet there was an OO sitting there sending notices to every US 
contact he made.

If you KNOW your frequency to 1 Hz, you can legally operate with your dial 
on 14149.9 and still be in the band. Likewise 7300.1. Also RTTY on 3601, 
etc. etc. A super accurate transmitter has it's advantages :-)

Jerry - K0TV

- Original Message - 
From: Matt Zilmer mzil...@verizon.net
To: Rick Stealey rstea...@hotmail.com
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2011 6:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Installed K3EXREF


 The K3EXREF is in field test now, as far as I know.  It might be a
 little while before Elecraft puts it up for sale.

 Extreme accuracy probably has two psychological and one scientific
 source:
 - The need to put the K3 dead-on frequency is reassuring to folks that
 aren't sure it stays that way mostly as-is with the TCXO.
 - The desire to be a frequency authority, and be able to help others
 when they're off-freq.  Hams with older rigs sometimes end up shifted
 off freq.  On HF, I hear this a lot.
 - Knowing exactly what frequency you're on helps with band-edge
 issues, for example between the Extra-only CW sub-bands and the
 general CW sub-band.  With a 1 Hz readout, this is seldom a problem,
 but it gets even better when the last digit also indicates the actual
 carrier freq.

 The K3 with just the stock TCXO holds the reference at somewhere below
 1 PPM anyway.  This is probably accurate enough for almost everyone,
 but some want near-perfect accuracy.  GPS time has an uncertainty of
 around 0.3 nS, which is pretty low compared to 1PPM.  No TCXO can beat
 that, but maybe an OCXO can?

 73,
 matt W6NIA



 On Sun, 20 Mar 2011 14:45:59 +, you wrote:



Excellent posting by W9AC, a great reference, to be saved.
Now I wonder if it would be possible for someone to enlighten me as to
the need for such extreme accuracy?  Is it because my K3 reads out to 1 Hz
but I can't really believe the absolute accuracy of that number unless I
get a K3EXREF?  But if that is the case, my question would still remain,
wouldn't it?
Not that I need something else to put on my list ahead of my P3 and
sub receiver.
Rick  K2XT

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[Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Report for March 20th 21st, 2011

2011-03-20 Thread Kevin Rock


Good Evening,
The first net went rather well.  Some fading but mostly signals were  
good.  The second net was plagued by RTTY signals.  I found an open  
frequency but then got zero beat a couple times by RTTY stations.  I  
wonder if they were running above 7105 kHz?  There may prove to be an  
option during the heavier contests.
Looks like spring has come in like a lion for many of us.  The folks in  
Northern California are getting rain and wind.  But out east there is some  
warming.  Only in Southern California did I hear warmer temperatures  
although GA sounded nice at 73 degrees.  Wait, here is an 82 degree report  
 from Oklahoma.

On to the lists =

   On 14050.5 kHz at 2200z:
NK6A - Don - CA - K3 - 4569
NO8V - John - MI - K3 - 820
W0CZ - Ken - ND - K3 - 457
N0TA - John - CO - K3 - 994
K1THP - Dave - CT - K3 - 686
AB9V - Mike - IN - K3 - 398
K4JPN - Steve - GA - K2 - 1422
K0DTJ - Brian - CA - K3 - 4113
N0AR - Scott - MN - K2 - 4866
N7KRT - Jeff - TX - K2 - 5471
K5MEC/W8OV - Dave - OK

   On 7045.16 kHz at z:
K6PJV - Dale - CA - K3 - 1183
K0DTJ - Brian - CA - K3 - 4113
NO8V - John - MI - K3 - 820

It would be nice to have a relay station again.  Is anyone in the  
middle part of the continent willing to call the net for a while so the  
folks in my skip zone can get a chance?  It does not take very long and is  
not difficult.  If I can do it I am sure you can too.  Email me if you  
would like to help.
Until next week stay well,
   73,
  Kevin.  KD5ONS  (Net Control Operator 5th Class)

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[Elecraft] Elecraft SSB Net results (3-20-11)

2011-03-20 Thread Phillip Shepard
Well, we started the net on 14.314 (our usual frequency).  We quickly drew
heavy QRM, with harangues to get off of their frequency.  I got about 8 of
our stronger stations checked in, but the situation was deteriorating
quickly.  I looked up band, found quiet at 14.317 and took the net there.
After a minute of being told to stay there and not come back to their
frequency, we were left alone.  It went well after that and we had 37
participants over the total 30 minutes.  I think finding a new frequency is
the best course of action - maybe in the 14.316 to 14.320 area.  Here is the
list of participants.

Station NameQTH Rig S/N

KO5YKen NM  K3  4442
K6EQRoger   CA  K3  4629
AD5SX   PaulNM  K3  4645
KE4WY   Jim KY  K3  4864
W7QHD   KurtAZ  K2  1538
W4RKS   Jim AL  K3  3618
K4GCJ   Gerry   NC  K3  1597
N1JMJohnAZ  K3  2555
NZ0TBillKS  K3  1502
K8DJC   Nelson  OH  K3  560
W8YMO   Harry   OH  K3  166
W2RWA   DickNY  K3  2603
AI4VZ   George  GA  K3  2412
NT5QDon TX  K3  4179
NF8JPaulMI  K3  758
K4CCH   Charles GA  K3  3509
K5MEC   DaveOK  TS440 (W8OV at club station)
W0FMTerry   MO  K3  474
KK7PLyleWA  K3  3036
N5VEZ/m MikeMS
W0CZKen ND  K3  457
K5LAD   Jim OK  K3  1068
N1LQDaveMA  Omni 5
W6VYBob CA  K3  2765
KB3FBR  Joe PA  K2  6178 QRP
KC5EFM/mArt NM  IC706
AC0NM   Glenn   CA  K3  2843
WB9JNZ  EricIL  K3  4017
KL7UW   Ed  AK  K3  4340
N1RXBruce   NH  K3  559
N5ZMEarlAR  K3  3223
KD1TH   PaulNH  K3  4882
WB8ENE  Art OH  K3  4319
W5ETJ   GaryTX  K3  3227
WA5BDU  NickAR  K3  1195
W9DVM   PhilFL  K3  1605
NS7PPhilOR  K3  1826

73,

Phil, NS7P

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[Elecraft] K3 Heil headset

2011-03-20 Thread Kate Hutton
My new K3 works great on CW - love the way it sounds  the intuitively
logical controls - but I'm trying to figure out what part I need if any to
connect my Heil Pro headset, with a PTT hand trigger.  I see a larger stereo
plug coming from the PTT switch  a small one coming from the heaset (1
wire), which currently go to a Yaesu adapter to my old rig.  The other two
wires to the headset appear to be for the earphones (small stereo plug).

Can I use PTT IN, STEREO PHONES  MIC on the back  just ignore the
8-pin connector on the front?

Sorry if it is a dumb question.

73 Kate K6HTN
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Re: [Elecraft] [K2] Ooof.. Update

2011-03-20 Thread L Kendall
I'm having a similar problem after installing the KNB2.

So, I triple checked component location and applicable polarity and all
solder joints for bad joints or bridged/shorted solder pads; removed,
checked and re-installed the 2 bandpass toroid chokes, checked the ID
number on the caps.
 
Checked the K2 RF board J12, and checked the mods to R88, R89  R90. 

...and the K2 is still nearly deaf as a post.

Next, I jumpered 1  6 on J12 and could then hear stations all over 40
meters. 

Checked WWV @ 10 MHz and I thought it was going to blow the speaker
before I could turn down the AF gain. 

So it looks like I did not screw up the K2 itself. That is a relief.

I'm guessing the next thing to do is check U2 for correct voltage
output, and if that's OK see what I can measure on the RF amp. It's an
SMD and mounted on one of those SMD piggy back things for PCBs made for
the old school DIP ICs.

Kinda frustrating, but it happens.

Larry
K5END









On Tue, 2011-01-18 at 22:43 -0500, Don Wilhelm wrote:


 
 Try jumpering  (with a piece of bent wire) between pins 1 and 6 of the 
 J12 header.  If receive comes back to life, you have a problem on the 
 KNB2 board.
 
 Let us know the results.
 
 73,
 Don W3FPR
 
 
 On 1/18/2011 10:26 PM, Brian Denley wrote:
  I am beginning to think I may have wacked or damaged the PIN diode for the
  T/R switch while adding the resistor for the KNB2.  That might explain no
  receive or transmit  that I am getting now.  Does that make sense?
  Brian
  KB1VBF
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Heil headset

2011-03-20 Thread Dick Dievendorff
Yes, you can do it all from the back panel and ignore the 8-pin Foster
connector on the front panel.

You'll need something to bridge the 1/4 phone plug on the Heil hand trigger
to an RCA plug for PTT. 

Not a dumb question.

I sometimes prefer the front panel headphone jack because I like pulling the
plug out and having the speaker come on.  There are menu ways of doing this,
but I'm old fashioned.

73 de Dick, K6KR


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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Kate Hutton
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2011 9:50 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] K3  Heil headset

My new K3 works great on CW - love the way it sounds  the intuitively
logical controls - but I'm trying to figure out what part I need if any to
connect my Heil Pro headset, with a PTT hand trigger.  I see a larger stereo
plug coming from the PTT switch  a small one coming from the heaset (1
wire), which currently go to a Yaesu adapter to my old rig.  The other two
wires to the headset appear to be for the earphones (small stereo plug).

Can I use PTT IN, STEREO PHONES  MIC on the back  just ignore the
8-pin connector on the front?

Sorry if it is a dumb question.

73 Kate K6HTN
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