RE: [Ldsoss] New here.
Hello there, After lurking and seeing the emails going back and forth ... And especially this last email ;). I understand the council and I also understand the need to have some form of the data on another carrier. Especially in areas where the church membership is not high. Imagine having the bishop travel for more than 40 minutes because he needs to verify something. So it really depends on the situation. I have also been in countries where they don't even have MLS so they compile data on their own computers, since the unit itself does NOT have a computer. All things need to be approached sensibly and if that means not installing MLS on your own computer to follow counsel that is what it means. Does that really mean that the bishopric cannot keep their own notes? I think not. But then again that is just my personal opinion. Kind regards, --- Manfred Riem [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.manorrock.org/ > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tony Fenleish > Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 8:16 AM > To: LDS Open Source Software > Subject: Re: [Ldsoss] New here. > > Using MLS - Ward and Branch Instructions (Official > Documentation) http://www.lds.org/bfs/MLS_Ward.pdf > > See: > SECURITY: ITEM #6 (pg 2) > > 6. MLS TO BE INSTALLED IN MEETINGHOUSES ONLY. > MLS should not be installed on home or office computers. The > database contains sensitive membership and financial > information that should not leave the meetinghouse. > > > > - Original Message - > From: "John Mulholland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "LDS Open Source Software" > Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 5:03 AM > Subject: Re: [Ldsoss] New here. > > > | Does anybody know of any counsel given about putting MLS data on > | personal computers? > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > ___ > Ldsoss mailing list > Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org > http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss > ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
RE: [Ldsoss] Re: New here
Hi there, > Don't even consider remote access. IF the Church ever permits > it they will let you know how to do it. Be patient - the data > belongs to the Church and the Church is responsible to keep > the data secure. Unauthorized disclosure of PERSONAL data, > especially a child's data, COULD cause a great deal of harm > to the Church. Actually the data does NOT belong to the Church and that is where the problem comes in. It belongs to all the individuals that make up the Church. Each record that describes personal data of a person belong to that person, that is what makes it such a tricky thing. The person's data is given to the Church to safeguard it according to proper regulations and policies. If the Church fails to do so the Church as a whole will be held liable. Some countries even have their own regulations about it. Before you decide to tinker around with having data on your own computer, Palm, PocketPC or printout be sure you understand the legal obligations you take upon you, because you can be held liable as well. Just a word of caution ;) Kind regards, --- Manfred Riem [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.manorrock.org/ ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
RE: [Ldsoss] Filtering Question
Hi Colin, If he is visiting inappropriate sites I would talk to the person instead of going the route you described. But if you insist you can make a policy that is loaded with the system that would disallow access to the IE settings. You would have to make him a regular user Because otherwise you would lock the system administrator out ;). Kind regards, --- Manfred Riem [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.manorrock.org/ > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Colin Jensen > Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 10:40 AM > To: ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org > Subject: [Ldsoss] Filtering Question > Importance: High > > I've got a quick IT question. There's someone at my office > who deletes his IE history each night, and that scares us. > We know exactly where he goes from the router; we have > blocked any inappropriate sites both in his hosts file and > via an external blocker that comes free from our ISP. So the > computer's pretty locked down. But, whereas porn is always a > church topic, I'd like to do one more invisible thing: Is > there a way we can set it where he can't erase his IE > history? I think that would help a lot, if he would know > that anywhere he visits will remain semi-public forever. > Even if we tweaked it so his history opened when he opened > I.E. Neither of those seem difficult, I just don't know > where the buttons would be. > > We don't have a domain set up or a centralized server. Right > now he's got admin rights because everyone does, but if by > making him a regulated user there's a button somewhere to > disallow him access to erase his tracks, that would be nice. > Anyway, comments? > > --Colin > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > AIM/ICQ/Yahoo: mrcolj > msnIM: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > ___ > Ldsoss mailing list > Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org > http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss > ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
RE: [Ldsoss] Stake Directory
Hi, Q: Why don't you use the reports available from the ward/stake website and convert those to PDF? Kind regards, --- Manfred Riem [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.manorrock.org/ > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tony Fenleish > Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 9:20 AM > To: LDS Open Source Software > Subject: [Ldsoss] Stake Directory > > FYI, we are in the final faze of completing a Stake > Directory. The directory has 3 parts: > > - > Stake Directory > - > > 1. Stake Organization (3 pages - 15k) > a. Organization > b. Position > c. Name > d. Spouse > e. Email > f. Phone > > 2. Wards/Branches: (28 pgs, averages 3 pgs p/ ward - 325k) > a. Organization > b. Directory: Family, Address, Phone > > 3. Stake Phone Directory: (10 pgs - 107k) > a. Last Name (sorting) > b. Head of Household and Spouse > c. Unit Number > d. Phone Number > > Points of interest: > - Compact: We have had a focus on making this somewhat > compact to save space and money. Last years directory was > 80+ pages, we have included more information in this > directory, but keeping it half the size > > - Our stake has 8 wards, with an additional 2 small branches > > - 95% of information is extracted from Stake MLS (I > previously had done this on a ward level, but am now making > these reports at a stake level) > > - PDF Format: Because the information is extracted from MLS > and because it's out of date within less than a month, we are > generating these reports in PDF Format which can be generated > and electronically available once a month. > File size of all reports in less than 500k (250k zipped). > Several put these pdf files onto their PDA's. > > > - > Template Community > - > The reports are template based. I've always felt that we > could generate a > > community of templated reports. Here's some I've allready > created, all which pull from MLS. Most of the reports are > for the leaders of the organization, and most of them are > very compact.. 2 to 5 pages. > > - Stake Directory > - Bishopric Ward Directory: : Names, Address, Phone, Home > Teachers, Visiting Teachers, Callings (6 pages) > - PDA/PDF Version of the above > - Ward Family/Address Booklet Directory: > - 8.5x11 folded in half, tops looke just like White > Pages w/ page > > numbers > - Ward Organization > - Address: Headers have Alphabet Index (ia Ab - Br) > - Compact Ward Family/Address Directory (2 pgs, or 1 pge double sided) > - PDA/PDF Version of the above > - High Priests Group Report: Names, Address, Phone, Home > Teachers, HT Companion, HT Families > - Elders Report: Names, Address, Phone, Home Teachers, HT > Companion, HT Families > - Elders Photo Directory: Photo, Names, Address, Phone, > - Sisters Report: Names, Address, Phone, Visiting Teachers, > VT Companion, > > VT Families > > > - > Skills > - > > Skills Needed to Generate Reports: > - Basic SQL Skills > - Basic Layout Skills (put a box here, put a line there) > - XML Skills (not required, but helpful) > - Also, having a clerk position is helpful > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection > around http://mail.yahoo.com > ___ > Ldsoss mailing list > Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org > http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss > ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
RE: [Ldsoss] Hello from Western MA
Hi Dave, Just so you are aware I have had the Scriptures in XML for a little while now. Also I have a partial port available of PAF to Java. All the work is done on whenever-I-have-a-spare-moment time basis ;). Unfortunately I cannot make the PAF library Open Source, but I have provided an API that will allow you to use it (SAG = Simple API for Genealogy), see http://sag.sourceforge.net/. I wouldn't mind if people would join in on the SAG side of the fence and help me out testing the PAF library ;) Have a look at http://www.manorrock.com/products/ Kind regards, --- Manfred Riem [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.manorrock.org/ > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Wagner > Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2005 7:04 AM > To: LDS Open Source Software > Subject: Re: [Ldsoss] Hello from Western MA > > Shane Hathaway wrote: > > > Dave Wagner wrote: > > > >> My name is Dave and I live in western MA. The Lord truly knows the > >> desires of my heart as I have been searching for quite > some time for > >> other LDS developers to share my ideas and talents with > and it looks > >> as though my prayers have been answered. > > > > > > Hi Dave. What kinds of projects do you want to get involved in? > > > > Shane > > ___ > > Ldsoss mailing list > > Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org > > http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss > > > I've been throwing a few ideas around in my head and others I > have even begun the planning stages of... > > 1.) I really want to start a family home evening site with > some unique features like a lesson planner and multimedia > lessons. Lessons designed for college students, families > without children, investigators, etc. It gets a lot more > involved than this I just don't want to ramble on for 200 > pages. My biggest problem with this is that I would > absolutely love if the church/byu offered their content as a > SOAP webservice to make this task much easier and much more > integrated. I tried writing them about it to no avail. > > 2.) GedXML.com is a domain name I purchased a while back with > the intention of providing the specifications of GedXML 6 > along with examples of it's use and possibly some libraries > written in different languages for parsing it. I kind of lost > hope on this one though I plan to re-register the domain > name, unless I can find someone here who could make use of it > for a worthy cause. > > 3.) I have been working on this the most lately as it is what > I know the most about. I am working on taking the scriptures > that the SDP so kindly provided in MySQL format and make it > available to the public as a SOAP webservice. This would be > more for kicks than anything else. > > I am more than open to others ideas though and would love the > opportunity to work on projects together. > > Dave > ___ > Ldsoss mailing list > Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org > http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss > ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
RE: [Ldsoss] Cool Family History technology coming soon
Hi there, I have been lurking for quite a while, but it is time for me to speak up. I think most of the time it depends on whom you talk to in any organization and also how you do it. For me personally I have been working for quite a while on a Java look a like of PAF. It is still in its early stages since I cannot disclose the original source as per license agreement, so I am the only one doing the porting of the orginal source, but I do have an external API that is not specific to the internal library for use. Anyone that is interested in joining the effort to make Java PAF working is welcome. So far I have tested it on MacOSX, FreeBSD, Linux and Windows. On each of those systems it works as expected ;) I am considering putting the development of the GUI on Sourceforge so I can have more developers working on this code. But I would like some help in getting interested LDS Java developers to join this effort. In any case I thought I'd let you all know that work can be done! Kind regards, --- Manfred Riem [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.manorrock.org/ > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Whiting > Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 3:57 PM > To: LDS Open Source Software > Subject: Re: [Ldsoss] Cool Family History technology coming soon > > On Wed, Sep 28, 2005 at 12:07:24PM -0600, Alan Young wrote: > > > > with no response. Perhaps a signed petition by several LDS > > > developers would do the trick, what do you all think about that? > > > > > > The most you can hope for is that someone on this list has > the ear (or > > *is* the ear) of someone who can bring it up in the right places so > > it'll be considered. Don't hold your breath though ... the church > > takes a very long time to make changes. > > The church is moving carefully, but I can assure you that the > referenced suggestion (open API for those who have forgotten the > context) is being actively discussed and considered at the > CIO level. In fact, multiple notes from this email thread > were read and discussed yesterday in a meeting with the CIO > focused on how the church can leverage resources outside of > its internal IT organization. > > Don't give up hope. > > pete > > > ___ > Ldsoss mailing list > Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org > http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss > ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
RE: [Ldsoss] Church Sponsored OSS
Hi Jon, I have done that once with the Dutch translation, straight from an XML source to LaTeX and then generating a PDF. It was quite speedy to generate. The 'only' thing that remained to do was to proofread and insert additional breaks into the generate LaTeX. I am currently working on a pet project that views the Dutch translation as one of the set of Scriptures you can read. It is based on the XML sources and the NetBeans platform. If any of you is interested in seeing how that works let me know. Kind regards, --- Manfred Riem [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.manorrock.org/ > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jon D. > Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 9:08 PM > To: LDS Open Source Software > Subject: Re: [Ldsoss] Church Sponsored OSS > > --- Dan Lawyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [...] > > > 3) What are the most interesting OSS projects the Church > might sponsor > > or facilitate? PAF for Linux/MAC, APIs to the new family history > > system and related add-ons, etc. > > In addition to the great family history projects, I'd be > interested in developing a LaTeX .sty file for the LDS > scriptures. This would immensely speed up the editing and > typesetting process for publishing the various languages of > scriptures that the translation department works on. The > current process is manually laborious, and can take many > months for a BoM or triple to get published after the actual > translation is finished. Much of the work could be automated > by a computer, using LaTeX. I started this kind of project > this past summer, and got a fair amount done. > > -Jon D. > > > > > > > __ > Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 > http://mail.yahoo.com ___ > Ldsoss mailing list > Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org > http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss > ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
RE: [Ldsoss] Church Sponsored OSS
Hi Jon, I don't have a copy online anywhere. But I can send you a zipfile containing a draft version that I am working on right now. Let me know if that will work? Kind regards, --- Manfred Riem [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.manorrock.org/ > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jon D. > Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 9:52 PM > To: LDS Open Source Software > Subject: RE: [Ldsoss] Church Sponsored OSS > > > > --- Manfred Riem <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I have done that once with the Dutch translation, straight > from an XML > > source to LaTeX and then generating a PDF. It was quite speedy to > > generate. The 'only' thing that remained to do was to proofread and > > insert additional breaks into the generate LaTeX. > > > > I am currently working on a pet project that views the Dutch > > translation as one of the set of Scriptures you can read. > It is based > > on the XML sources and the NetBeans platform. > > > > If any of you is interested in seeing how that works let me know. > > If you have a url of a pdf sample, I'd be interested in > checking it out. I'm interested in getting the output to > look just like the current appearance of the scriptures > (recent non-English scriptures); the church probably > wouldn't be interested in anything other appearance. > > -Jon D. > > > > > > __ > Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. > http://farechase.yahoo.com > ___ > Ldsoss mailing list > Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org > http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss > ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
RE: [Ldsoss] PAF File Checker
Hi there, Try PAF Companion ;) Regards, ---Manfred Riem[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.manorrock.org/ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steven H. McCownSent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 8:17 PMTo: 'LDS Open Source Software'Subject: [Ldsoss] PAF File Checker I was curious, do any of you know of a ‘PAF-file checker’? Something that will report ‘oddities’? I’m using the latest version of PAF (5.2.18) and I’m finding that it’s starting to ‘cross-link’ my tree. I’m finding individuals to have a son-father, mother-dauther relationship with themselves. These relationships, I cannot delete. When I find such a relationship, I cannot add other children, either. I’m also finding that some individuals are randomly being reassigned to other parents, etc. There are 4.5K+ names, so I’d prefer not to re-enter by hand. I can go back to a previously saved database, but this got me wondering if there were a file checker of some kind. Thanks, Steve http://www.mccownclan.com "Chance favours the prepared mind." -- Louis Pasteur ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
RE: [Ldsoss] Emergency Preparedness Software
Hi Jay, I have been using Hibernate what's your problem ;) Kind regards,Manfred Riem From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jay AskrenSent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 8:38 PMTo: LDS Open Source SoftwareSubject: [Ldsoss] Emergency Preparedness Software I sent an email the other day about software I'm creating for my ward. I created a little web page so you can get an idea of what it will do and look like: http://jay.askren.net/emergency/ Also, if there are any Java developers out there who have used Hibernate, I would be interested in talking to you. I've been having a little trouble using it. Jay ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
RE: [Ldsoss] Re: MLS Bugs and Discussions
Hi there, My personal view on the issues at hand is simple. We have all been taught to support our leaders and build up the Kingdom. While at times things are not going as fast as we might like them to go I have taken a simple view at heart. 1. If there is something that you think or know is broken report it, but give a bit more detail describing how you think the problem could be solved. Eg. If you know some functionality is broken write up test script that can be followed to reproduce the problem. 2. If it is more of a feature request like described in the email have patience, but don't give up on it. If you think it is taking too long just email again. After all we are imperfect humans working in an imperfect world striving to be perfect ;) 3. If you have programming experience stubbing out a runnable prototype could prove to be helpful. If you don't have programming experience just draw/sketch or describe in detail what you want changed/added. After all a picture says more than a thousand words. Kind regards, ---- Manfred Riem [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.manorrock.org/ > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Hammond > Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 12:22 PM > To: ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org > Subject: [Ldsoss] Re: MLS Bugs and Discussions > > See the official link: >http://mls.lds.org/ > Also, for MLS related discussions, the better list to > subscribe to for ongoing dialog is: >http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/ > This is where clerks discuss such problems, etc. > > There are precious few development resources supporting MLS > and the pressure on them is great, so unless it is painful to > CHQ, "priorities" delay resolving a many items. > I've reported things like the stake's view of membership is > inaccurate relative to what the units have, even after forced > syncs from both sides. The problem remains broken even a > year after submitting the problem report. > > As I tell folks > "... it is what it is, and it is better than it was, so be > grateful ..." >Ed > > P.S. Fully concur with the concern about exporting all the > MLS data for Emergency Preparedness. MLS has native support > for such and (for the most part) it automatically feeds the > stake the info via secure channels. I'd recommend you > investigate that avenue. > Again, "ldsclerks" has a better audience for that discussion. > > >- > - > >Message: 1 > >Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 15:04:26 -0800 (PST) > >From: "Greg Hart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: [Ldsoss] MLS/LUWS Bugs and Feature Requests > > > >Hi All- > > > >Is there a good place to send these? Our unit has been > sending them to > >"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" (with the blessing of our Stake Admin). > >Honestly, it feels like a black hole. Is there a better course of > >action? Does HQ have a system for receiving and processing user > >reported bugs and feedback? > > > >Thanks, > >-Greg > > > >-- > >Message: 2 > >Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 17:08:00 -0600 > >From: "Neeland, Steve" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: RE: [Ldsoss] MLS/LUWS Bugs and Feature Requests > > > >And bugs a plenty there are. We are on v2.3.2 and it got > worse. I've > >got newborns getting assigned to the Young Single Adults > Sunday School > >class (I guess that's sort of accurate) and several $100,000 extra > >getting reported in a budget area if you print it by previous month. > >Hopefully your issues and those others submitted get addressed soon. > > > >Steve > > ___ > Ldsoss mailing list > Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org > http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss > ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
RE: [Ldsoss] Re: MLS Bugs and Discussions
Hi Nathan, MLS is not open-source it is the administrative program that is used in several church callings for administrative purposes. Most generally stake/ward clerks, but also other presidencies. Kind regards, Manfred Riem > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nathan > Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 5:24 PM > To: LDS Open Source Software > Subject: Re: [Ldsoss] Re: MLS Bugs and Discussions > > > 1. If there is something that you think or know is broken > report it, > > but give a bit more detail describing how you think the > problem could > > be solved. Eg. If you know some functionality is broken > write up test > > script that can be followed to reproduce the problem. > > > 3. If you have programming experience stubbing out a runnable > > prototype could prove to be helpful. If you don't have programming > > experience just draw/sketch or describe in detail what you > want changed/added. > > After all a picture says more than a thousand words. > > I've never used MLS. Is MLS open-source? > > ~ Nathan > ___ > Ldsoss mailing list > Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org > http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss > ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
RE: [Ldsoss] Re: MLS Bugs and Discussions
Hi Nathan, As far as I know there is no open API. No plugin framework either. I would love to see it and I am working on a prototype application and have for some time, but the work is slow since I am doing it in my spare time. For now I have a prototype that uses the underlying NetBeans Platform (why write one when one exists ;). I am in the process of adding PAF support to it. As far as I know you cannot download MLS. And I doubt in its current form you ever will, but who knows. You are called by the Lord to serve in a specific calling that will let you use it, if you are not in such a calling you do not have access to it. When I said writing a test script I assumed that you are in a calling that requires access to it. And writing a GUI test script could be done completely on paper. Prototyping features could be done on paper as well. Sketches and so forth. Or if you want to take it a bit further you can done some UML models ;) Kind regards, Manfred Riem [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.manorrock.org/ > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nathan > Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 8:19 PM > To: LDS Open Source Software > Subject: Re: [Ldsoss] Re: MLS Bugs and Discussions > > Does it have an open API then? Or a plugin framework? I'm > just wondering how people are supposed to script test cases > or prototype features. > > Can you download a copy of it without being in a presidency? > > ~ Nathan ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
RE: [Ldsoss] Emergency Preparedness Software
Hi Jay, Can you resend your sources I accidently deleted them when setting up a rule on my mail server. Note I am sending this one to the mailinglist. Kind regards,Manfred Riem From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Manfred RiemSent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 9:02 PMTo: 'LDS Open Source Software'Subject: RE: [Ldsoss] Emergency Preparedness Software Hi Jay, I have been using Hibernate what's your problem ;) Kind regards,----Manfred Riem From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jay AskrenSent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 8:38 PMTo: LDS Open Source SoftwareSubject: [Ldsoss] Emergency Preparedness Software I sent an email the other day about software I'm creating for my ward. I created a little web page so you can get an idea of what it will do and look like: http://jay.askren.net/emergency/ Also, if there are any Java developers out there who have used Hibernate, I would be interested in talking to you. I've been having a little trouble using it. Jay ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
RE: [Ldsoss] Re: MLS Bugs and Discussions
Hi Nathan, I can't speak for the Church, so you'll have to ask the proper person within the Church about it. I can speculate, but I rather not because I don't have access to all information. The only things I know are what you stated yourself already ;) Would I like to see some open source development? You bet! Would I support the church in it? Most certainly. Would it be easy to do for the church? I don't know. Would it be worth it? For me most definitely! For the church? Again I would have to say I don't know. It is easy to say yes, but as with everything it takes resources and I cannot make any determination on what the Church will do unless they tell us. I know that I would like to know how many fellow LDS developers are out there and what we could do to help the Church in any way possible. Wouldn't you? ;) Kind regards, Manfred Riem [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.manorrock.org/ > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nathan > Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 8:39 PM > To: LDS Open Source Software > Subject: Re: [Ldsoss] Re: MLS Bugs and Discussions > > Ah, well that clears things up. > > Sounds like the only way that app will actually get worked on > (in it's current closed-source, closed-access form) is if the > church pours some development resources into it. > > Just out of curiosity, is there a concious reason why the > church restricts access to the program and it's source, or is > that just a historical byproduct? I mean, it's obvious that > the church can't give access to the data these programs use > since the data iteself is confidential, but what does it have > to gain by restricting access to the program itself? It > seems like the church would naturally be a big open-source > proponent, as it's not selling its software (as far as I > know) anyway. > > ~ Nathan ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
RE: [Ldsoss] Stake/Ward Web Site Utilities
Hi Stacey, If you are asking for permission to distribute software with the endorsement of the church you will have to take it up with Church Headquarters ;) Regards, Manfred Riem [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.manorrock.org/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stacey Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 12:26 PM To: ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org Subject: [Ldsoss] Stake/Ward Web Site Utilities Hi Y'all: I just found out about this list and recently joined so let me introduce myself first... My name is Stacey and my family and I live in the great state of Texas just north of Dallas. I have been using open source pretty much since the 80's when I was a student and systems programmer running BSD 4.2 Tahoe on VAX 11/780's. Today, some things have not changed... I still use BSD (Mac OS X) on my personal laptop, Gentoo Linux on my MythTV (Tivo-like) box, and use Linux and FreeBSD for work. So let's just say I have been leveraging open source to make my life easier for a long time. I was happy to hear from a friend (Matt Probst) about this list. I hold callings as Stake and Ward Clerks here in Texas. As part of my assignment I keep our stake and ward web pages up to date. This includes the calendar, leadership directories, etc. I also track the usage and schedule our stake building which is a job in itself given we have four but soon to be five wards using the building, not to mention the stake meetings that are scheduled there. In addition, I create programs to help our stake leaders do their jobs. Our stake is very large in both the number of wards and geography. We have 15 wards (after Sunday this will be 16) and our stake boundaries reaches from North of Dallas up and into Oklahoma. Therefore, I stake does not publish a paper stake calendar nor do we publish a stake directory of any sort. We rely totally on the Stake/Ward web sites that the church has provided for this information. (Needless to say, we have saved a lot of money in printing costs.) If you have used the administrator screen on the stake/ward web site that the Church provides you may notice it lacks some features that would be desired. One such feature is the ability to upload a calendar that has been created, with say, outlook. Every year, when we do our planning, our executive secretary creates the calendar in outlook and then hands me the data to upload to the web site. After using the limited input interface on the Church web site provides I decided to create a better way. I wrote a simply perl script that uploads the data from a CSV file. The script acts as web client and inputs the data into the HTML/HTTP forms. This makes publishing a ward/stake calendar a snap. In addition, at the request of our stake presidency, I created software that allows our stake presidency, bishops, and other leaders to download the calendar data to their computers in iCal, vCal, or CSV formats. This allows them to have the calendar in their palm pilots, etc. The script is set up as a web application (perl CGI). They go to a form that is hosted on a web site. Enter in what month they want, which events (Ward, Stake, Churchwide), and what format they would like (iCal, vCal, CSV). In addition, I require them to enter their LDS.org login information. The script uses their login information to access the Church web site so it knows they have access permission to do so. I also created a similar web application for downloading ward directory information. I don't know how the Church office would feel about this kind of software but would like to share the code with the folks subscribed to this list. Be warned, I am not a perl programmer by trade and do most of my programming in the kernel and system level. Therefore, it could use the talents of a real perl programmer to be cleaned up a bit. However, it works great to make my job as a stake/ward clerk easier. I have read on the archive of this list that the Church office doesn't like the idea of "screen scrapers" given the risk of folks using, say, the membership data for something like multi-level marketing campaigns (largely an Utah thing, it seems). Therefore, if the Church doesn't like the idea of me distributing software that does this then I will just keep it for myself and my local leaders to benefit from. If they don't care then I will make it available to the members of this list. Please let me know the offical word about such software. Thanks in advance. Best Regards, -stacey. ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
RE: scouting software (Re: Re: [Ldsoss] Stake/Ward Web Site Utilities)
Hi there, You mean http://www.scoutsoft.net/? Regards, Manfred -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bryan Murdock Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 5:21 PM To: LDS Open Source Software Subject: scouting software (Re: Re: [Ldsoss] Stake/Ward Web Site Utilities) On 2/7/06, Gary Thornock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- TJ Hunter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The church might also get into legal trouble with creating the > > software. The BSA is pretty strict with their copyrights and I would > > imagine they have their own software available to leaders for a > > price. > > As it happens, the BSA doesn't produce software like that. They have > a data interchange specification that software developers can use to > interact with the systems at the council offices, but from there, it's > up to third party developers to produce unit management programs. > There are a number of good ones available, albeit most if not all of > them are Windows-only, which isn't the best way to make Mac and Linux > users (am I the only one?) happy. You are not the only one! Do you know where someone could get ahold of those data interchange specifications? I've seen software that claims to be Scoutnet Certified, or something like that, but google hasn't yet shown me what that means how one would go about becoming such. Bryan ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
RE: scouting software (Re: Re: [Ldsoss] Stake/Ward Web Site Utilities)
Hi Bryan, I meant it as an example, correct. You migth want to ask the authors of this program how they became ScoutNet certified. Since it is a free program they might be more willing to tell you than the commercial ones. Regards, Manfred. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bryan Murdock Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 5:34 PM To: LDS Open Source Software Subject: Re: scouting software (Re: Re: [Ldsoss] Stake/Ward Web Site Utilities) On 2/7/06, Manfred Riem <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi there, > > You mean http://www.scoutsoft.net/? Um, not quite. That is just one example of a ScoutNet certified application (see http://www.scoutsoft.net/sb01001.htm#snet), but I'm curious as to how one becomes ScoutNet certified. Bryan ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
RE: [Ldsoss] Suggestions for web site
Just use your local installation of Word to convert it to Word 2003 and Then use the same way to convert it ;) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jay Askren Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 8:24 PM To: LDS Open Source Software Subject: Re: [Ldsoss] Suggestions for web site Bill's email mentioned some libraries in Java to parse Word Documents. I'm thinking about writing a genealogy search engine in the future, and that would come in handy. Does anyone have a link to the specific project on source forge? I searched source forge and all I could find was a library that parses Word 2003 and above. I'd like to find something that could also parse older Word documents. Jay Bill Pringle wrote: > I was looking through my old files and came across this list of > suggestions that I created shortly after the web sites went live. > Some things have been done, and some we have been discussing recently, > so I thought I would add this to the mix: > > * > > Suggestions for Official LDS Web Site > > Display more personal information & customization > = > > Birthdays - omit birth year for adults > consider adding this as a page to the site - upcoming > birthdays (and recent ones) > Cell Phone, Work Phone, and Pagers should be displayed as part of > member directory > (But user can opt to suppress this information) > Add ability to enter a short bio for each member. > This might allow people to use the site to get to know others > in the Stake > Add a "Contact Us" option so that members of other Stakes can contact > the stake or ward. > (We had a family who was moving, and I wanted to alert their > new stake/ward, but couldn't) > Add a section for members in the Military, similar to missionaries. > Change error message for unauthorized Administrator > The current message is a good explanation, but a larger text > above it saying something like: > "This option is limited to Site Administrators" might > be less confusing. > You could also use this link to allow the user to configure > their profile. > > Make it easier for HTML formatting > == > > Add option switch for textarea input boxes to suppress adding > tags for each CR-LF. > Adding breaks might be useful during initial entry, but when > making changes, it can confuse novice users when they go back and try > to revise their text. Also, it makes it harder for experienced web > designers to use HTML to format articles. > It is much harder to debug HTML if you can't indent tags to > indicate structure > BTW - tags should really be to be XHTML compliant. > > Use of Style Sheets > Consider publishing existing styles (featurestext, > featurestitle, etc.) > Consider adding P and TD entries for the existing styles so > that isn't needed > Allow administrator to create their own stylesheet. Include > content of stylesheet between and tags within the > . This will make it easier for administrators to produce > consistent looking pages > > Allow administrator to specify "visitors" to site > Administrator can enter list of Membership numbers of people > who can enter the site. This will allow people to keep in touch with > former wards, children at school can visit home ward site, etc. > Visitor entries can have an expiration date if desired > > Ability to upload information in addition to keyboard input via browser. > For example, calendar items and ward positions could be > prepared offline first, and then uploaded to the database using some > sort of standard format (e.g., CSV or XML?) > Articles could be prepared locally, and then uploaded as a > single file. > There are Java classes on www.sourceforge.org to extract text > from MS-Word documents, which could help with this. > > Ability to download information to local computer > For example, the ability to download certain information into > Excel spreadsheets > Examples could be upcoming events, birthdays, etc. > This information could then be incorporated into newsletters, > e-mails, etc. > (Downloading to Excel is easy - just set content type & write > an HTML table.) > > Misc. > = > > Provide listing of most recent registered users so that the administrator > can see who has signed up recently. > > Provide listing of recent visitors so that the administrator can tell > who is using the site. > > > > > --- > Bill Pringle > work: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.unisysfsp.com > http://www.unisys.com > home/school: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.personal.psu.edu/~wrp103 > http://CherylWheeler.com > > ___ > Ldsoss mailing list > Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org >
RE: [Ldsoss] Suggestions for web site
Or just use the XML schema's that were published by M$ ;) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Byron Clark Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 9:56 PM To: ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org Subject: Re: [Ldsoss] Suggestions for web site On Thu, Feb 09, 2006 at 09:23:53PM -0500, Jay Askren wrote: > Bill's email mentioned some libraries in Java to parse Word Documents. > I'm thinking about writing a genealogy search engine in the future, > and that would come in handy. Does anyone have a link to the specific > project on source forge? I searched source forge and all I could find > was a library that parses Word 2003 and above. I'd like to find > something that could also parse older Word documents. You may want to try POI[1], specifically the HWPF[2] part of the library. [1] http://jakarta.apache.org/poi/index.html [2] http://jakarta.apache.org/poi/hwpf/index.html -- Byron Clark ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
RE: [Ldsoss] Re: MLS Bugs and Discussions
Dear Andrew, > I believe that we should be very forgiving when members make mistakes in > the context of their callings. After all, we're fallible, sometimes we're > spread thin, and we don't always have great training. No problem with that at all. I just stated that more complete bug-reports tend to get attention sooner. > [snip] > > My experience using MLS and working with support has led me to believe that > there is some gross incompetence going on somewhere. I think that the > system is very poorly designed, and easily-reproducible (and easily-fixable) > bugs that I first reported a year and a half ago are still irritating me. > I don't think any of your suggestions are relevant for MLS, since even > detailed bug reports are completely ignored. > > Anyway, I guess my point is that the problem is unfixable and bug reports > are useless. It sounds really pessimistic, but after almost a year of > optimism, I think it's only realistic. Maybe I've learned that patience knows no time-limit ;). We cannot see what the development team is really doing so to say that something is gross incompentence without a clear picture of what is really going on seems to me a bit far fetched. But anyway, I hope you can hang in there a little longer and stay optimistic regardless of your perception. Kind regards, Manfred Riem [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.manorrock.org/ ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
RE: [Ldsoss] ward list export
Hi Pete, Is it possible to have an option to export it as an XML feed? Kind regards, Manfred Riem [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.manorrock.org/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Whiting Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 5:11 PM To: ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org Subject: [Ldsoss] ward list export We'd like to add the option to export the ward list from the unit website either as a csv file or as vcards. Issues/questions: 1. Most of the text is stored in caps. We plan on just leaving it as-is for simplicity. If someone wants to propose a clean, simple, safe way to decapitalize in TCL, feel free to send it my way. 2. For the csv export, what should each row look like? a) name, email, phone, addr (one row for every member of the ward) - this is the easiest to do but might not be as useful. b) family, head of household, head of household email, phone, addr (one row for each family) - this is about as easy to do as the above. c) family, head of household, head of household email, spouse, spouse email, phone, addr (one row for each family) d) everything above, plus one large field containing all of the children's names, and emails e) similar to above, but each child would get their own pair of columns (name and email) making each row vary in the number of columns - this would imply that the children are going to be at the end of the record. Sorry we can't do unique phone numbers per person - it isn't supported in the current database. 3. Similar questions for vcard... pete ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
RE: [Ldsoss] Mapping on lds.org
Get your own websever and use JSP GoogleMaps for free ;) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Todd MinerSent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 5:02 PMTo: ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.orgSubject: [Ldsoss] Mapping on lds.org What I'd really like to see is a mashup of the posted addresses on the ward web site with Google maps. Since I work at the stake level, I'd love to see all the stake members pinpointed on a map with different color pushpins for their ward assignments. I'm sure this is possible, and I have even found websites that will publish my spreadsheet full of addresses via Google maps - but they charge for their services. Sounds like a great open source project. :)> Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 07:02:39 -0600> From: "Ed Ashton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> Subject: [Ldsoss] RE: Welcome to the "Ldsoss" mailing list (Digest> mode)> > Besides the rudimentary mapping on the lds website using mapquest does > anybody know of any other mapping or GIS related projects the Church has > embarked on? I'm a membership clerk in our local unit and have found using > ESRI's Arcview very helpful for leaders, members and missionaries to know > where members live. Not to mention the the plethora of other useful > information that a GIS can contain. Crush! Zap! Destroy! Junk e-mail trembles before the might of Windows Live(tm) Mail beta. Windows Live(tm) Mail beta ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
RE: [Ldsoss] Mapping on lds.org
Failed for me. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard K Miller Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 3:29 PM To: LDS Open Source Software Subject: Fwd: [Ldsoss] Mapping on lds.org Did I mention this is very "beta"? =) I'd be curious if it even works for you. So far, it has worked on 2 and failed on 1. Begin forwarded message: > From: Richard K Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: April 6, 2006 2:01:30 PM MDT > To: LDS Open Source Software > Subject: Re: [Ldsoss] Mapping on lds.org > > Here's my attempt at it: > > https://www.moregoodfoundation.org/wardmap/ > > After entering your LDS.org username and password, it will fetch your > ward directory, geocode the addresses, and map it. Your credentials > are transmitted entirely over SSL, and are not saved. > > I'm using Geocoder.us for the geocoding, which works pretty well but > isn't perfect -- some of my ward member's houses were in the wrong > place. But my BYU ward isn't very interesting anyway, since all the > markers are in one tiny clump. > > Richard > > > --- > Richard K. Miller > www.richardkmiller.com > > > > > On Apr 5, 2006, at 4:02 PM, Todd Miner wrote: > >> What I'd really like to see is a mashup of the posted addresses on >> the ward web site with Google maps. Since I work at the stake level, >> I'd love to see all the stake members pinpointed on a map with >> different color pushpins for their ward assignments. I'm sure this >> is possible, and I have even found websites that will publish my >> spreadsheet full of addresses via Google maps - but they charge for >> their services. >> >> >> Sounds like a great open source project. :) >> >> > Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 07:02:39 -0600 >> > From: "Ed Ashton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > Subject: [Ldsoss] RE: Welcome to the "Ldsoss" mailing list (Digest >> > mode) >> > >> > Besides the rudimentary mapping on the lds website using >> mapquest does >> > anybody know of any other mapping or GIS related projects the >> Church has >> > embarked on? I'm a membership clerk in our local unit and have >> found using >> > ESRI's Arcview very helpful for leaders, members and >> missionaries to know >> > where members live. Not to mention the the plethora of other >> useful >> > information that a GIS can contain. >> >> >> Crush! Zap! Destroy! Junk e-mail trembles before the might of Windows >> Live(tm) Mail beta. Windows Live(tm) Mail beta >> ___ >> Ldsoss mailing list >> Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org >> http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss > ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
RE: [Ldsoss] Mapping on lds.org
Hi there, Well then I would suggest everyone just ask for the source and install it on their own servers. Manfred From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jay AskrenSent: Monday, April 10, 2006 8:58 AMTo: LDS Open Source SoftwareSubject: Re: [Ldsoss] Mapping on lds.org First, I want to say the website is very cool. Unfortunately, when I forwarded it on to some of our church leaders, I got a response that caught me a bit off guard. A member of our bishopric was very hesitant to put his username and password to a non church sponsored website. The more I think about it, it's a very legitimate concern especially today when I'm getting phishing emails several times a week. I'm sure Richard's website is just fine, but someone with less sincere intentions than Richard could send a similar email to this email list just as Richard did, and capture all of our usernames and passwords to the church website as we go and log into the website to see the cool web page he built. How can we really know if we trust websites posted to this or any other email list which asks for sensitive information. Any thoughts on this? Jay On 4/6/06, Richard K Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Here's my attempt at it:https://www.moregoodfoundation.org/wardmap/ After entering your LDS.org username and password, it will fetch yourward directory, geocode the addresses, and map it. Your credentialsare transmitted entirely over SSL, and are not saved.I'm using Geocoder.us for the geocoding, which works pretty well butisn't perfect -- some of my ward member's houses were in the wrongplace. But my BYU ward isn't very interesting anyway, since all the markers are in one tiny clump.Richard---Richard K. Millerwww.richardkmiller.comOn Apr 5, 2006, at 4:02 PM, Todd Miner wrote:> What I'd really like to see is a mashup of the posted addresses on> the ward web site with Google maps. Since I work at the stake> level, I'd love to see all the stake members pinpointed on a map> with different color pushpins for their ward assignments. I'm sure> this is possible, and I have even found websites that will publish> my spreadsheet full of addresses via Google maps - but they charge > for their services.>>> Sounds like a great open source project. :)>> > Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 07:02:39 -0600> > From: "Ed Ashton" < [EMAIL PROTECTED]>> > Subject: [Ldsoss] RE: Welcome to the "Ldsoss" mailing list (Digest> > mode)> >> > Besides the rudimentary mapping on the lds website using mapquest > does> > anybody know of any other mapping or GIS related projects the> Church has> > embarked on? I'm a membership clerk in our local unit and have> found using> > ESRI's Arcview very helpful for leaders, members and missionaries > to know> > where members live. Not to mention the the plethora of other useful> > information that a GIS can contain.>>> Crush! Zap! Destroy! Junk e-mail trembles before the might of > Windows Live(tm) Mail beta. Windows Live(tm) Mail beta> ___> Ldsoss mailing list> Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org > http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss___Ldsoss mailing listLdsoss@lists.ldsoss.orghttp://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
RE: [Ldsoss] Scout Tracking
Hi there, That might work for LDS groups, but I doubt that other faiths want to use that website. Unless it is under the umbrella of BSA. Manfred -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Welch Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 8:43 AM To: LDS Open Source Software Subject: Re: [Ldsoss] Scout Tracking Slide wrote: > What would be great is if you > could also have a plug-in type system for working with the various > religious awards as well (Duty to God for LDS) which would then allow > other Scouting groups to take advantage of it without tying it to just > LDS Scouting. Yes, DTG is on the map to integrate into this program. The thoughts were to create some kind of a web based application so that parents, scout leaders and boys can all work together. > -- Tom Welch [EMAIL PROTECTED] (801) 240-1609 (858) 829-4614 - Cell -- NOTICE: This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. -- ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
RE: [Ldsoss] Scout Tracking
Good point! ;) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Hanks Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 9:04 AM To: LDS Open Source Software Subject: Re: [Ldsoss] Scout Tracking On Tue, 6 Jun 2006, Tom Welch wrote: >> could also have a plug-in type system for working with the various >> religious awards as well (Duty to God for LDS) which would then allow >> other Scouting groups to take advantage of it without tying it to >> just LDS Scouting. > Yes, DTG is on the map to integrate into this program. The thoughts > were to create some kind of a web based application so that parents, > scout leaders and boys can all work together. Web-based would be great, but with the church's policy on non-official websites, where does that put the local unit that would want to install and use such a web-based app? -- Dan >> > > -- > Tom Welch > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > (801) 240-1609 > (858) 829-4614 - Cell > > > -- > > > > NOTICE: This email message is for the sole use of the intended > recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. > Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is > prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the > sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. > > -- > > > ___ > Ldsoss mailing list > Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org > http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss > ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
RE: [Ldsoss] Scout Tracking
I agree with you on that. I would say go the Java Webstart / NetBeans way. Cross platform and still easy enough to install. Manfred. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Thornock Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 10:29 AM To: LDS Open Source Software Subject: Re: [Ldsoss] Scout Tracking --- Tom Welch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dan Hanks wrote: >> On Tue, 6 Jun 2006, Tom Welch wrote: >> could also have a plug-in type system for working with the various religious awards as well (Duty to God for LDS) which would then allow other Scouting groups to take advantage of it without tying it to just LDS Scouting. >>> >>> Yes, DTG is on the map to integrate into this program. The thoughts >>> were to create some kind of a web based application so that parents, >>> scout leaders and boys can all work together. >> >> Web-based would be great, but with the church's policy on >> non-official websites, where does that put the local unit that would >> want to install and use such a web-based app? >> >> -- Dan > > These are issues that are currently being debated. More soon! > > Tom I have a couple of other concerns with a web-based app. One, of course, is the privacy and security issue. Do we want to create an application where we (in theory, at least) need to have signed permission forms from all of the parents, because we're putting their kids' information online? Password access controls are all fine and good, but the concern doesn't go away. There's also the issue of portability, by which I mean physical portability, not cross-platform portability. Running TroopMaster in Virtual PC is a bit of a pain, but having it on my Powerbook when I go to meetings with the Scoutmaster, the committee or the parents (regardless of the absence of an internet connection in the meeting) is half the value of using it in the first place. Granted, I could easily install a LAMP app on my Powerbook, too, but should that be necessary? - Gary PGP Key ID: 071B173D Fingerprint: ED30 B048 6833 56B4 28C0 CE52 F12B 884A 071B 173D ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
RE: [Ldsoss] Scout Tracking
Sounds good to me. The only thing is the security issue of maintaining access to the repository. Manfred. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom WelchSent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 10:39 AMTo: LDS Open Source SoftwareSubject: Re: [Ldsoss] Scout Tracking My thoughts were to create a central repository (whether hosted by the church or individually would be up for debate) and then we could provide several ways to access that data.1. We (the community) could provide a SOAP or other interface to the data so that people could write thick client applications and synchronize their data with the central repository. I've actually done this quite successfully with some other applications and it works VERY well. So you can run independent of the server but when you go "back online" you can "sync" your data. If a person chose to never "work online" that would work fine as well.2. We could create an application that only runs on a local machine but has good import/export capability so you can share your data with a new scout master or leader. This approach would not have the collaboration features but solves the privacy issues.TomGary Thornock wrote: --- Tom Welch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Dan Hanks wrote: On Tue, 6 Jun 2006, Tom Welch wrote: could also have a plug-in type system for working with the various religious awards as well (Duty to God for LDS) which would then allow other Scouting groups to take advantage of it without tying it to just LDS Scouting. Yes, DTG is on the map to integrate into this program. The thoughts were to create some kind of a web based application so that parents, scout leaders and boys can all work together. Web-based would be great, but with the church's policy on non-official websites, where does that put the local unit that would want to install and use such a web-based app? -- Dan These are issues that are currently being debated. More soon! Tom I have a couple of other concerns with a web-based app. One, of course, is the privacy and security issue. Do we want to create an application where we (in theory, at least) need to have signed permission forms from all of the parents, because we're putting their kids' information online? Password access controls are all fine and good, but the concern doesn't go away. There's also the issue of portability, by which I mean physical portability, not cross-platform portability. Running TroopMaster in Virtual PC is a bit of a pain, but having it on my Powerbook when I go to meetings with the Scoutmaster, the committee or the parents (regardless of the absence of an internet connection in the meeting) is half the value of using it in the first place. Granted, I could easily install a LAMP app on my Powerbook, too, but should that be necessary? - Gary PGP Key ID: 071B173D Fingerprint: ED30 B048 6833 56B4 28C0 CE52 F12B 884A 071B 173D ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss -- Tom Welch[EMAIL PROTECTED](801) 240-1609(858) 829-4614 - Cell -- NOTICE: This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. -- ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
RE: [Ldsoss] Scout Tracking
Hi Gary, Actually I think without wanting to start a legal debate about it this would be covered by you as a parent allowing your kids to be entered in the MIS already. Manfred. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Thornock Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 10:29 AM To: LDS Open Source Software Subject: Re: [Ldsoss] Scout Tracking --- Tom Welch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dan Hanks wrote: >> On Tue, 6 Jun 2006, Tom Welch wrote: >> could also have a plug-in type system for working with the various religious awards as well (Duty to God for LDS) which would then allow other Scouting groups to take advantage of it without tying it to just LDS Scouting. >>> >>> Yes, DTG is on the map to integrate into this program. The thoughts >>> were to create some kind of a web based application so that parents, >>> scout leaders and boys can all work together. >> >> Web-based would be great, but with the church's policy on >> non-official websites, where does that put the local unit that would >> want to install and use such a web-based app? >> >> -- Dan > > These are issues that are currently being debated. More soon! > > Tom I have a couple of other concerns with a web-based app. One, of course, is the privacy and security issue. Do we want to create an application where we (in theory, at least) need to have signed permission forms from all of the parents, because we're putting their kids' information online? Password access controls are all fine and good, but the concern doesn't go away. There's also the issue of portability, by which I mean physical portability, not cross-platform portability. Running TroopMaster in Virtual PC is a bit of a pain, but having it on my Powerbook when I go to meetings with the Scoutmaster, the committee or the parents (regardless of the absence of an internet connection in the meeting) is half the value of using it in the first place. Granted, I could easily install a LAMP app on my Powerbook, too, but should that be necessary? - Gary PGP Key ID: 071B173D Fingerprint: ED30 B048 6833 56B4 28C0 CE52 F12B 884A 071B 173D ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
RE: [Ldsoss] Scout Tracking
Hi Tom, You can only get that list if all the members agree to have it on there. Each member can elect to be removed from the listing. Manfred Riem [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.manorrock.org/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Welch Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 7:29 AM To: LDS Open Source Software Subject: Re: [Ldsoss] Scout Tracking If the Church were to host the site, would that alleviate your concerns? Currently you can get a ward listing of all members in the ward, their address and phone numbers from the ward unit website. This would not be much different. Tom Steven H. McCown wrote: > I can appreciate all the fervor for a web-based app. However, > > 1) The church has said no websites. You can't get away with making > the "this is scouting and that is the church" distinction, anymore. > > 2) It is a legal problem to start posting information about minor > children to the Internet. That would have to be decided at Church HQ > and not by the local units. They don't even allow information to be > posted into Family Search about living people, they just insert a > "LIVING" placeholder. Being involved with security professionally, I > would not give my consent. This is a huge pitfall -- despite good > intentions -- it would be wise not to fall into it. > > Steve > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Hanks > Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 9:04 AM > To: LDS Open Source Software > Subject: Re: [Ldsoss] Scout Tracking > > On Tue, 6 Jun 2006, Tom Welch wrote: > > > Web-based would be great, but with the church's policy on non-official > websites, where does that put the local unit that would want to > install and use such a web-based app? > > -- Dan > > > ___ > Ldsoss mailing list > Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org > http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss > > -- Tom Welch [EMAIL PROTECTED] (801) 240-1609 (858) 829-4614 - Cell -- NOTICE: This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. -- ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
RE: [Ldsoss] Scout Tracking
Hi there, I think we all know this. The problem is really how the Church wants us to proceed in this. If we want an 'open-source' project to be used within the boundaries the Church has to abide by we need to know those boundaries. I for one know there are a lot of boundaries based on the various countries the Church has a presence in. So to just dismiss it as something we shouldn't be discussing is like sticking your head in the sand. The structure of the security is not being discussed here, but the boundaries. BTW Linus didn't create Redhat it is just one instance of a Linux distro. Kind regards, Manfred Riem [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.manorrock.org/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of A. Rick Anderson Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 10:23 AM To: LDS Open Source Software Subject: Re: [Ldsoss] Scout Tracking There are fundamentally two architectures. Standalone and online. Any discussion we can have about the merits and demerits of both have been repeated ad-nausea for every application since the birth of the Internet. If we try to boil the ocean on the first pass, the project is doomed from the beginning. Can you image what would have happened if Linus Torvalds had tried to release Red Hat as a replacement to Minux? Get something that works well and that installs well on a local machine. Refactor it so that the business tier, the presentation tier and the model tier are distinct. Drop it on a disconnected appserver and add an additional presentation tier to prove that the refactoring is sufficient. It won't be, so count on additional refactoring. Now you have a functional solution that is worth debating security/privacy/convience issues about taking online. The worst case scenario is, you have a solution that works for you, and that others can install and that will work for them. Pushing security concerns into the application logic itself, is IMHO, absolutely poor design!!! Security and security policies are cross-cutting concerns that should be done declaratively in a security policy manager, or at worst, in the appserver. As a ward member, do you really want to have to log in and validate against every piece of functionality restricted to members on the church website. Ex: Once I log in once, switching to the ward webmaster mode doesn't require a new authentication. Why? Because the authentication is done at the middleware layer, not the individual application layer. -- A. Rick Anderson ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
RE: [Ldsoss] Let me formally introduce myself...
Hehehehehe, Good one ;) Maybe we should consider something like the Google Summer code camps? Manfred Riem [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.manorrock.org/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shane Hathaway Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 7:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; LDS Open Source Software Subject: Re: [Ldsoss] Let me formally introduce myself... Jesse Stay wrote: > You may want to try the Family History Department. They are also > moving in the direction of OSS, and there are a couple teams hiring > there. Yep, my group is hiring, and we really need more people who are educated in open source methodology and tools. I feel awfully lonely sometimes! I'd like to work with someone else who's not afraid of functional programming, dynamic languages, portable code, distributed systems, kernel hacking, emacs, vi, and Gentoo. :-) Shane ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
RE: [Ldsoss] Scout Tracking
Well said Steve, I am for a more controlled environment where they would be able to get the information, because in the end the Scoutmaster will track the Information somehow. Let them use the Church computer system as well, since it is part of their calling! Kind regards, Manfred Riem [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.manorrock.org/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steven H. McCown Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 7:26 PM To: 'LDS Open Source Software'; 'Tom Welch' Subject: RE: [Ldsoss] Scout Tracking Tom, I hear all the time about how such and such a website got hacked and the information leaked. I'm prior military, so I've been following the VA incident -- and that wasn't even web hosted. The reality is that hackers (or their bots, zombies, etc.) attempt intrusions on all websites every day. Given that, most websites will be hacked at one time or other. I have statistics, but I'll forgo them for now. Given that most websites will be hacked, the real question is what we choose to put there. It wouldn't bother me (too much) if someone found out that I was a church member, my address, that I served a mission, or who's in my family. Those things are all a matter public record, anyway. It wouldn't bother me if someone found out how much tithing that I paid, either. If someone found out my credit card number, then Visa would cover my losses and issue me a new card number. So, that's not a permanent problem. However, YM / YW / Scouting records paint a much more personal account of the individual. They have things such as likes, dislikes, achievements, associations, other personal information, etc. If those things, coupled with name and address, fell into the wrong hands, then bad things could happen. Here is a sample article about kids and 'myspace.com' (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7668788/). In the case of 'myspace.com', kids are voluntarily disclosing information that sets them up for stalking and the like. This has gotten so bad that public schools are starting to try to ban student's participation or to monitor them for inappropriate activity. I don't want to open a discussion as to whether that is good or bad, but the schools are, at least, trying to protect the children. If the church were to sponsor what would really amount to an online database of personally identifiable personal information of minor children, then they would be making themselves hugely liable if that information ever got out. Groups like the ACLU would have a heyday. The VA had to announce recently that ~2M soldiers' information was compromised. Imaging the PR and financial liability if the church had to make the same announcement. This possibility has to be weighed against the benefit of an online system vs. keeping those records by hand or in another non-centralized manner. I took a class at BYU that discussed things like "risk management" and "mitigating risk". Most of us glossed over that course in favor of building 'cool stuff'. As technologists, scientists, and engineers, we all have to pay more attention to the ramifications of technology than we do about the technology itself. So, to answer your question, if the church hosted a minor child information tracking website, then no I would still not be comfortable with that. I would opt out and my opting out would unfortunately hinder the utility of the overall system. Steve -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Welch Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 7:29 AM To: LDS Open Source Software Subject: Re: [Ldsoss] Scout Tracking If the Church were to host the site, would that alleviate your concerns? Currently you can get a ward listing of all members in the ward, their address and phone numbers from the ward unit website. This would not be much different. Tom Steven H. McCown wrote: > I can appreciate all the fervor for a web-based app. However, > > 1) The church has said no websites. You can't get away with making > the "this is scouting and that is the church" distinction, anymore. > > 2) It is a legal problem to start posting information about minor > children to the Internet. That would have to be decided at Church HQ > and not by the > local units. They don't even allow information to be posted into > Family Search about living people, they just insert a "LIVING" placeholder. Being > involved with security professionally, I would not give my consent. > This is > a huge pitfall -- despite good intentions -- it would be wise not to > fall into it. > > Steve > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Hanks > Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 9:04 AM > To:
RE: [Ldsoss] open source / commuting
Hi Ed, There is no need for an email like this. The main thing is dedication to the Gospel that is needed and some common sense. If you want to head a project and have the time for it go for it. I am already active in another couple of Open Source projects and as such I would love to see someone else to take the lead. Kind regards, Manfred Riem [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.manorrock.org/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Ashton Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2006 7:06 PM To: ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org Subject: [Ldsoss] open source / commuting Why doesn't the church harness the community? I'm sure there are a plethora of people that would like to contribute but don't want to move to salt lake or give up a job that pays better than peanuts. It could be as simple as a church website with forums, this community, a site with current projects or even people working over distance. Does anybody remember "The Gunman Chronicles" a half-life game, or counter-strike? If my memory serves me right both of those projects and most of the game mods one sees on the internet were/are created by people spread throughout the world working on projects that don't pay anything, but are projects everyone is deeply interested in. just my thoughts. Ed Ashton I'm not afraid! ...but I've already got a good job with people I like, and there's no way I'd commute to SLC :-P ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
RE: [Ldsoss] Let me formally introduce myself...
Hi all, I actually have a partial port of the current PAF to Java, but haven't had much time to work on it. It is able to read and write information to some degree. It has been tested on Windows, Mac OSX and FreeBSD. Unfortunately I can't open up the source since I had to sign a license and so forth. So if the Church can somehow open up that license a bit More we could be well on our way with an Open-Sourced PAF. Kind regards, Manfred Riem [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.manorrock.org/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Fry Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 8:26 AM To: LDS Open Source Software Subject: Re: [Ldsoss] Let me formally introduce myself... As previously mentioned on this list, I think that PAF would be an excelent piece of software for the Church to open source. It is something that almost everyone needs and that many people use. In my experience most volunteer software development is done by people working on software that they use and care about. That is where much of the motivation comes from. This would make PAF a prime candidate for open source development. Charles -Original Message- > From: Tom Welch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [Ldsoss] Let me formally introduce myself... > Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 08:26:52 -0600 > To: LDS Open Source Software > Reply-To: LDS Open Source Software > > My name is Tom Welch. I was recently recruited by the Church to > define an "open source" strategy for the Church. What does this mean? > Well, for years the Church has been a heavy user of open source technology. > Many of the back-end systems are all based upon open source software. > In fact, the Church has contributed to certain open source projects > with improvements that it has made. Because of sensitivity issues, > the Church has asked the individual developers to submit changes > upstream in the developers name instead of the Church's name. My > role, however, is not to get the Church to use more open source > software but is to figure out how we can leverage the OSS community to > help build applications that the Church does not have the resources to do. > > *A little bit about me:* > > I am the former chief technology officer of Linspire, Inc > <http://www.linspire.com>. (formally known as Lindows). I resigned my > post at Linspire to work on this project as I can see the huge benefit > that enlisting the LDS development community can provide to the Church > and to Church members. I was with Linspire from the very beginning > and have watched that company grow and become a success and am still > involved with the leadership board of Freespire.org > <http://www.freespire.org> (a completely free version of Linspire that > will be available this summer). I am also the author of the original > scriptures reader that ran on the Palm and CE devices (EZ Reader). I > also wrote the original Franklin Day Planner software (Ascend) that > was sold by Franklin Covey for years. I've been around the "block" > for many years and have seen the rise and success of open source > software and I am very enthusiastic to be a part of it. > > As you think of the Church and the work that they do from a technology > front, most of the work is done to benefit the Church as a whole. By > this I mean that the Church spends almost all of their technology > resources in building programs that run the Church (membership > records, financial, assets, missionary, family history, temple, etc). > Very little "technology" money is spent benefiting individual members. > That is why there are no "Duty to God" tracking software, scouting > software, family preparedness software, ward mission software, etc. > There are a lot of members that have written programs to help them in > their Church callings but the Church has never really looked at or > authorized any of these for use by the Church membership as a whole. > > My job is to try and change all of this by enlisting the LDS > development community. So my first job is to try and build an > infrastructure to allow us all to communicate and collaborate on > projects. This mailing list (and the ldssoss.org website) is a good > starting point but my vision is to take it so much further. In the > coming weeks I will share much more of our plans. Please be patient > because I have a lot to do to work within the parameters at the Church. > > *One point of caution, however:* > > One of the biggest concerns the Church has with endorsing or > sponsoring a LDS Developers site is that the content on the site could > get out of control. Flame wars, rude behavior, religious debate, or > other non-Chr
RE: [Ldsoss] Administrative account difficulties
Hi there, I assume it is a church computer? Just let HQ deal with it ;) Kind regards, Manfred Riem [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.manorrock.org/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steven H. McCown Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 7:11 AM To: 'LDS Open Source Software' Subject: RE: [Ldsoss] Administrative account difficulties There are several free 'password recovery' tools available on the Internet. "Emergency Boot CD" is a very easy tool to use. Here is a link (http://www.petri.co.il/forgot_administrator_password.htm) to a compilation of tools. Time to reset the password is about 2 min (incl boot time). Microsoft MSDN pages used to reference L0phtCrack for password recovery, so they understand this to be a real problem. To avoid any snide remarks, Linux isn't much better in this regard. ;) Steve -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard Smith Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 9:30 AM To: ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org Subject: [Ldsoss] Administrative account difficulties I feel like a bit of an idiot with this post, anyhow... I've set up MLS so that the Branch Presidency has access to what they need, and set up my own personal account so I wouldn't need to touch the administrative account except for, well, administrator-level stuff. I did this about a year ago or so, and haven't needed to log in as Administrator for all that time. Now, it looks like I'll be moving out of the area, and will need to turn it over to someone else. Since I haven't logged in as Administrator in so long, I've gone and forgotten the Administrator's password. I've tried everything that I thought it was, to no avail. What are my options now? -Richard Smith ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
RE: [Ldsoss] Scout Tracking
Hi there, Java Webstart would work reasonably well for client side deployment of the database and fat client. I use it for a PAF version that I have written. Synchronization could be part of the setup of the application. This way you have an offline version with online capabilities. Kind regards, Manfred Riem [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.manorrock.org/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shane Hathaway Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 12:36 PM To: LDS Open Source Software Subject: Re: [Ldsoss] Scout Tracking John Harrison wrote: > How many scoutmasters are going to have the skills to set up their own > database? Is this going to be an app that everybody can use or one > that will require a geek scoutmaster to set up and maintain? Is this > for 5% of the population or 95%? It's for the 95%. I made a comment earlier that any FTP or SSH account will do, but I don't think that's quite right anymore. There needs to be a web application that provides access control to the encrypted databases. It needs to prevent scouts from messing with the database. The church can be one host for that web application if it wants to be. Others can set up their own instances on behalf of their own troop or many troops. Maybe the BSA would want to host the web application. > Offering a fully functional website that troops can simply sign up for > and use will be more useful to more people than forcing people to > setup their own server for something like this. Give them the option > of downloading the app and setting up their own if they want to, but > don't force that process on people or this will be very lightly used. No, nontechnical folks will never be asked to set up a web site. (I've tried that before; it just doesn't work.) > I also think that being able to offer a client with a local copy of > data is a great idea. Merging can be greatly facilitated by > representing the data in a format such as XML in which tree compares > are easy to do and conflicts are easy to resolve. Hopefully. It's easy to write XML that's hard to merge. Shane ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
RE: [Ldsoss] Administrative account difficulties
Hi there, Let HQ remotely connect and they'll be able to solve that problem. Kind regards, Manfred Riem [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.manorrock.org/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard Smith Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 1:38 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; LDS Open Source Software Subject: Re: [Ldsoss] Administrative account difficulties I'll let the Stake Clark know, but in response to this, it's the MLS administrator, not Windows Administrative password that I've forgotten. On Tuesday 13 June 2006 14:10, Steven H. McCown wrote: > There are several free 'password recovery' tools available on the Internet. > "Emergency Boot CD" is a very easy tool to use. Here is a link > (http://www.petri.co.il/forgot_administrator_password.htm) to a > compilation of tools. Time to reset the password is about 2 min (incl boot time). > Microsoft MSDN pages used to reference L0phtCrack for password > recovery, so they understand this to be a real problem. To avoid any > snide remarks, Linux isn't much better in this regard. ;) > > Steve > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard Smith > Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 9:30 AM > To: ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org > Subject: [Ldsoss] Administrative account difficulties > > I feel like a bit of an idiot with this post, anyhow... > > I've set up MLS so that the Branch Presidency has access to what they > need, and set up my own personal account so I wouldn't need to touch > the administrative account except for, well, administrator-level stuff. > > I did this about a year ago or so, and haven't needed to log in as > Administrator for all that time. Now, it looks like I'll be moving > out of the area, and will need to turn it over to someone else. Since > I haven't logged in as Administrator in so long, I've gone and > forgotten the Administrator's password. I've tried everything that I > thought it was, to no avail. What are my options now? > > -Richard Smith > ___ > Ldsoss mailing list > Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org > http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss > > ___ > Ldsoss mailing list > Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org > http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
RE: [Ldsoss] Scout Tracking
I hope that you still consider setting it up only available to localhost. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Hanks Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 5:51 PM To: LDS Open Source Software Subject: Re: [Ldsoss] Scout Tracking On Wed, 14 Jun 2006, Shane Hathaway wrote: > Thomas Haws wrote: >> This is very intriguing. Can you point to an example we might >> install and try? > > I hope someone else knows of an example. Conceptually, it's simple, > and I can see the solution from start to finish. But I'm surprised it > hasn't been done very often. Maybe we need a proof of concept. There's a Perl module called Net::Server (http://search.cpan.org/~rhandom/Net-Server-0.93/lib/Net/Server.pm) that could be used to easily implment a simple HTTP server for use with something like this. Another such module would be HTTP::Daemon (http://search.cpan.org/~gaas/libwww-perl-5.805/lib/HTTP/Daemon.pm). The installer could be smart enough to ask if this is a desktop/standalone install (and use the Perl module or whatever other lightweight httpd is included with the package) or a server install (in which case it would use the Apache or whatever is running on the server. -- Dan ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
RE: [Ldsoss] Scout Tracking
Installability and easy updates. And easy synchronizing ;) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steven H. McCown Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 10:54 PM To: 'LDS Open Source Software' Subject: RE: [Ldsoss] Scout Tracking Other thoughts: Whatever language is used for this or any general app needs to consider the end user. The general end user is not a power sys admin, but someone who installs out of the box, uses only the defaults, and never updates. If Perl or Ruby or what ever is used is installed on the user's box, then the Scout app needs to keep those up to date on patches and security fixes. To require the user to update Perl or Python is unreasonable and to not keep it up to date is not responsible. Most users are not perpetually WiFi connected, but still use the Internet at home. Most of the church buildings do not have WiFi. That's why a web app would require 2 sets of record keeping -- for most users. I went to church in SLC and most of the male members had PDAs instead of scriptures in books. It's the opposite in most other places that I've been. We're discussing what *we* (computer scientists, sys admins, etc.) would like. What would the average user like? Steve ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
RE: [Ldsoss] Scout Tracking
Java would be ideal from my perspective. And if he wants to use Pyhthon he still can by doing it with Jython. Manfred -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Haws Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 8:29 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; LDS Open Source Software Subject: Re: [Ldsoss] Scout Tracking Steven McCown explains in detail what was bothering me about using Perl or Ruby. The reality is that those languages and the average Windows box just don't jive. But Java does. Is there a way to do this using Java? Sorry, but as Steven says, we have to consider the end user. And the end user bought his computer at Dell or Walmart with the default version of Windows pre-installed. -- Tom Haws 480-201-5476 OpenOffice.org v. MS Office: Kids love OOo. Wife didn't notice I switched. Get OOo free. "There are many causes that I am prepared to die for but no causes that I am prepared to kill for" Gandhi ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
RE: [Ldsoss] LDS OSS Framework
Either NetBeans or Eclipse maybe? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jay AskrenSent: Monday, July 24, 2006 8:43 AMTo: LDS Open Source SoftwareSubject: [Ldsoss] LDS OSS Framework There was quite a bit of talk about the Scouting open source software. The Emergency Preparedness project I'm working on has many of the same issues: http://jay.askren.net/emergency/ For our users, sometimes they may be online other times they may not be. I chose not to create a web application in order to avoid security concerns and to make installation easier. I make use of web services in my app. Currently, I just use the web services to do geocoding so I can add GIS capabilities, but I was thinking about using them for other things as well. It seems that at the heart of both of these apps and other potential LDS OSS apps, they do the same thing. They store information about some people in the ward and potentially people not in the ward and allow the users to edit the information. They may have other tools built on top of the basic functionality. It would be nice to build a basic LDS-OSS system that was just a framework that took care of the common concerns of LDS applications, and then plugins could be built to address specific problems. The core system might for instance take care of reading information from MLS, interacting with an embedded database, printing, making installation and updating of the software easy, and who knows what else. Plugins might be added to store domain specific information(Boy Scout stuff versus Emergency Preparedness info, etc...), add GIS capabilities, sync with a database at Church Headquarters using web services, and whatever else would need to be added in the future. That way other apps could take advantage of the various plugins. Does anyone have interest/experience building this kind of plugin based system? What do people think? ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
RE: [Ldsoss] Family and Church History Department Job Opportunities
Interesting, But can you elaborate on pay, 401k and so on? Kind regards, Manfred Riem [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.manorrock.org/ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brent PackerSent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 10:21 AMTo: ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.orgSubject: [Ldsoss] Family and Church History Department Job Opportunities Hi, I'm a recruiter in the Family History Department for the LDS Church. I'm trying to connect with technology professionals regarding the positions we're trying to fill in our department. We have several key positions that we're trying to fill right now. For example we are looking for some strong Oracle DBA's and Java Developers. I'm attaching a brief list describing some of the positions we're trying to fill. If you are aware of anyone interested in looking at these opportunities I'd love to talk to them. Thanks for any assistance you may be able to provide. Brent PackerFamily & Church History DepartmentRecruiterP. 801-240-4670E. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- NOTICE: This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. -- ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
RE: [Ldsoss] PAF File Format
Negotiate a license with the Church. Kind regards, Manfred Riem [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.manorrock.org/ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jay AskrenSent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 6:51 AMTo: ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.orgSubject: [Ldsoss] PAF File Format Does anyone know how one would get a hold of the PAF file format? There are several programs which work with it so it must be available some how. Jay ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
[Ldsoss] PAF4J and JPA
Hi there, Is anyone interested in seeing a work-in-progress concerning porting PAF to Java? Note I have two crude demos: 1. a Webstart application that allows you to see data in your PAF file. 2. a Web application (using JPA) that allows you to see your PAF file running on a JavaEE application server. Let me know, either here or offline. Kind regards,Manfred Riem [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.manorrock.org/ ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
RE: [Ldsoss] PAF4J and JPA
Hi there, See http://www.manorrock.com/products/paf/ The Webstart application is currently linked there, and a link to the web application will appear there later today. Kind regards,Manfred Riem [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.manorrock.org/ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom WelchSent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 7:10 AMTo: LDS Open Source SoftwareSubject: Re: [Ldsoss] PAF4J and JPA I'd be interested!TomManfred Riem wrote: Hi there, Is anyone interested in seeing a work-in-progress concerning porting PAF to Java? Note I have two crude demos: 1. a Webstart application that allows you to see data in your PAF file. 2. a Web application (using JPA) that allows you to see your PAF file running on a JavaEE application server. Let me know, either here or offline. Kind regards,Manfred Riem [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.manorrock.org/ ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss -- Tom Welch[EMAIL PROTECTED](801) 240-1609(858) 829-4614 - Cell -- NOTICE: This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. -- ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
RE: [Ldsoss] AntiAlias Java
If you use a system property it will use if it supports it
and it will ignore it when it doesn't support it.
For anti-aliasing it would be:
-Dswing.aatext=true
Programmaticaly you could do (before any GUI is
initialized):
System.setProperty("swing.aatext",
"true");
Kind regards,Manfred Riem
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.manorrock.org/
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jay
AskrenSent: Friday, August 25, 2006 10:59 AMTo: LDS Open
Source SoftwareSubject: Re: [Ldsoss] AntiAlias
Java
I tried your code on version of 1.5_04 of java and it didn't work.
SwingUtilities2 is not mentioned in the javadocs for Java 1.5, so I looked at
the code for SwingUtilities2 source code, and it appears that SwingUtilities2 is
not stable, and the the comments said to not rely on the class.
I did find the following links:
http://www.javalobby.org/forums/thread.jspa?forumID=61&threadID=14179
http://forum.java.sun.com/thread.jspa?threadID=700404&messageID=4064797
So it looks like at least for now using the RenderingHints might be a bit
more robust though I haven't tried it. It should work with Java 1.4.
On 8/24/06, Tom Welch
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
Many java applications if using
swing tend to have really ugly UI's. The fonts look terrible. I
wrote some code that can make them look a whole lot better. This code
requires jre 1.5. Simply put this method into some type of utilities
class and then call it whenever you want to make a component
anti-aliased. It will find all child components and anti-alias them as
well. You typically just call this method from each form or dialog
and all components on the form will get fixed. I've tested this under
both Windows and Linux and it works well. Disclaimer: I'm
not a long time java developer so if you see obvious problems or could offer
suggestions, please do so.public static void
AntiAliasComponent(JComponent j)
{ j.putClientProperty
(com.sun.java.swing.SwingUtilities2.AA_TEXT_PROPERTY_KEY,Boolean.TRUE);
int y =
j.getComponentCount(); for (int
x=0;x
java.awt.Component comp = j.getComponent(x);
if
(comp instanceof JComponent)
{
AntiAliasComponent((JComponent)comp);
} //
Additional checks for certain types of controls. These require special
handling
if
(comp instanceof JList)
{
JList jl =
(JList)comp;
DefaultListCellRenderer
d=(DefaultListCellRenderer)jl.getCellRenderer();
d.putClientProperty(com.sun.java.swing.SwingUtilities2.AA_TEXT_PROPERTY_KEY
,Boolean.TRUE);
} else
if (comp instanceof JComboBox)
{
JComboBox cb =
(JComboBox)comp;
BasicComboBoxRenderer d=(BasicComboBoxRenderer)cb.getRenderer();
d.putClientProperty(com.sun.java.swing.SwingUtilities2.AA_TEXT_PROPERTY_KEY,
Boolean.TRUE);
} else
if (comp instanceof JTable)
{
JTable tab = (JTable)comp;
DefaultTableCellRenderer
d;
d =
(DefaultTableCellRenderer)tab.getDefaultRenderer(JLabel.class);
d.putClientProperty(com.sun.java.swing.SwingUtilities2.AA_TEXT_PROPERTY_KEY ,
Boolean.TRUE);
// Do the
headers
d =
(DefaultTableCellRenderer)tab.getTableHeader().getDefaultRenderer();
d.putClientProperty(com.sun.java.swing.SwingUtilities2.AA_TEXT_PROPERTY_KEY ,
Boolean.TRUE);
} }
}Here is a sibling function to anti-alias the menus of a
form. Simply call this for your main menu bar and it will fix all
sub-menus.public static void AntiAliasMenu(JMenuBar j)
{ int a =
j.getMenuCount(); for (int
b=0;b int
x=j.getMenu(b).getItemCount();
j.getMenu(b).putClientProperty(com.sun.java.swing.SwingUtilities2.AA_TEXT_PROPERTY_KEY
,Boolean.TRUE);
for (int y=0;y
JMenuItem jmi =
j.getMenu(b).getItem(y);
if (jmi!=null)
iii.putClientProperty(com.sun.java.swing.SwingUtilities2.AA_TEXT_PROPERTY_KEY
,
Boolean.TRUE);
} }
}Enjoy.Tom
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[Ldsoss] PAF4J using a NetBeans framework
Hi all, To make it easier for people to plug into the port of PAF to Java I have decided to make use of an application framework. This is the first version of PAF using the NetBeans platform. If you feel like trying it out, go to http://www.manorrock.com/products/paf/. And click on "Webstart It". Note you will need a working PAF5 file. To help you out in using it, please read the following: 1. Goto your menu bar and do Window | Favorites. 2. Make sure your PAF5 file is in a directory that shows up for this view. For Windows users if you have it somewhere in your "My Documents directory" you should be able to find it. 3. Find your PAF file. 4. Right click on the PAF file. 5. Click on PAF5OpenAction. 6. View the PAF5IndividualView Window on the right. I know this is all a bit crude, but I wanted to show that the new design works nicely within the NetBeans framework. If you want to help out please let me know. If there is enough interest I can put these sources online so we can all contribute. Note because this is a development release I haven't signed it with a proper certificate. So you will get that warning message! Kind regards, Manfred Riem [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.manorrock.org/ ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
RE: [Ldsoss] Software for people who can't use MLS?
I would recommend using Microsoft / Open Office ;) Original Message Subject: Re: [Ldsoss] Software for people who can't use MLS?From: Robert Nickel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Date: Thu, September 07, 2006 12:35 pmTo: LDS Open Source Software ___Ldsoss mailing listLdsoss@lists.ldsoss.orghttp://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
RE: [Ldsoss] Software for people who can't use MLS?
He might be better off asking around in his stake. I remember in the Dutch ward I used to be in the clerk had his own set of Excel files. Kind regards, Manfred Riem [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.manorrock.org/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Slide Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 12:28 PM To: LDS Open Source Software Subject: Re: [Ldsoss] Software for people who can't use MLS? Does anyone already have something setup that my brother could poach? Alex On 9/7/06, Manfred Riem <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I would recommend using Microsoft / Open Office ;) > > > > > Original Message > Subject: Re: [Ldsoss] Software for people who can't use MLS? > From: Robert Nickel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Thu, September 07, 2006 12:35 pm > To: LDS Open Source Software > > ___ > Ldsoss mailing list > Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org > http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss > > ___ > Ldsoss mailing list > Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org > http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss > > > ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
RE: [Ldsoss] Software for people who can't use MLS?
As far as I know only the English speaking countries use it. I have been in multiple countries across the world and I only know for sure that the US, UK and Australia use it. I know that the Netherlands, Belgium and Germany don't use it. And as far as I understood the main reason was the synchronization with SLC wasn't legally settled. But then again that was a couple of years ago. Maybe that has changed now. I sincerely hope so for the ward clerks ;). Trust me I know how it feels to do it by hand! Kind regards, Manfred Riem [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.manorrock.org/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steven H. McCown Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 8:01 PM To: 'LDS Open Source Software' Subject: RE: [Ldsoss] Software for people who can't use MLS? I'm just curious. Why can't an official branch use MLS, when they could use an MLS-like application in something like MS or Open Office? I know that some countries have an issue with member tracking, in general. Wouldn't that apply to the Office solution, too? Steve -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Slide Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 9:15 PM To: LDS Open Source Software Subject: [Ldsoss] Software for people who can't use MLS? Are there any software packages anyone could recommend for a branch that can't use MLS? My brother lives in Israel and was recently called to the Branch Presidency. They can't use MLS and would like some way of tracking tithing and other financials to make it easier to generate reports, etc for Tithing Settlement. He will most likely be running on Windows. Thanks, Alex ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
RE: [Ldsoss] Software for people who can't use MLS?
As I said before, the ward I attended in Holland used an Excel spreadsheet for tithing ;). It should be fairly easy for your brother to do this in Excel. Week 1 Week 2 Week 3 Name 1 xxx Name 2 That's take care of all the needs ;) And you can totalize the rows and columns for a check. Kind regards, Manfred Riem [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.manorrock.org/ Original Message Subject: Re: [Ldsoss] Software for people who can't use MLS?From: Slide <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Date: Fri, September 08, 2006 9:08 amTo: "LDS Open Source Software" I'm going from second hand information from my brother, from what Iunderstand they don't even have a computer and their clerk/branchpresident/everything office is the size of a broom closet, which makesit hard to have one. Some branches outside the US are still usingpaper and pen to do their membership and financial tracking, which canbe burdensome and increase the time needed to administer the branchrather than minister TO the branch. As many little quirks as MLS mayhave that we discuss on this list, some people don't even have MLS touse to support their branch. I was hoping someone on the list mighthave gone through that and come up with a good solution.On 9/8/06, Jay Askren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>> I would think the church would have something worked out. Why doesn't he> just call church headquarters and see what everyone else is using?>> I thought other countries were using the old MIS and FIS.>> Jay>>> On 9/6/06, Slide <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> >> Are there any software packages anyone could recommend for a branch that> can't> use MLS? My brother lives in Israel and was recently called to the Branch> Presidency. They can't use MLS and would like some way of tracking tithing> and other financials to make it easier to generate reports, etc for Tithing> Settlement. He will most likely be running on Windows.>> Thanks,>> Alex> ___> Ldsoss mailing list> Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org> http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss>>> ___> Ldsoss mailing list> Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org> http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss>>>___Ldsoss mailing listLdsoss@lists.ldsoss.orghttp://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
RE: [Ldsoss] Home and Visiting Teaching Tool
Hi Steve, You are right on the observations. But for a new bishopric any information is nice to have. Getting that information from the old bishopric is not always the way to go. People see things differently depending on their situation. And your worries about it being documented for all time could easily be fixed, expired the data after x years. Kind regards, Manfred Riem [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.manorrock.org/ Founding Java Champion -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steven H. McCown Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 8:08 AM To: 'LDS Open Source Software' Subject: RE: [Ldsoss] Home and Visiting Teaching Tool With this thread, there seems to be the underlying assumption that the 30% of companionships who actually do their hometeaching will actually take the extra time to write up thoughtful and useful information, monthly. There are those who will enjoy and use this type of system, however, I would postulate that those same individuals are also taking the time (currently) to talk with their EQ Presidency. IOW, who will really benefit from the widespread use of this system? Hometeaching is one of many "people problems", which won't always have a technological solution. Steve P.S. Even if the system was widely used, how many would like their families' status, weaknesses, problems, etc. to be documented [on the web] for all time? Kind of makes repentance (i.e., change) more difficult, doesn't it? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of A. Rick Anderson Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 10:33 AM To: LDS Open Source Software Subject: Re: [Ldsoss] Home and Visiting Teaching Tool Tom Welch wrote: > the other concern I have is does this program encourage (indirectly) > EQ presidencies and HP group leaders to not talk with their > companionships about how the family is doing, instead relying on what > is typed in the comments field? Even if the program lead to this results, I'd suggest that that would be more information then the vast majority of leaders are getting today and the comments could actually serve as a spring board to know identify folks for quorum leaders to follow up on personally. Yes, the handbook asks that every HT companionship be interviewed monthly, but that is a directive that is far more honored in the breach, then in the compliance. -- A. Rick Anderson ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
RE: [Ldsoss] Home and Visiting Teaching Tool
Hi there, Some important information is already stored on the membership record. What I was talking about is the information a bishop needs to see to the needs of the ward. That is where the home teaching comes into play. Like what does a kid like and so forth and so on. Which will help to relate to the kid. That kind of information is not bad to have. Kind regards, Manfred Riem [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.manorrock.org/ Founding Java Champion -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jesse Stay Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 4:00 PM To: LDS Open Source Software Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Ldsoss] Home and Visiting Teaching Tool I would think if that information were allowed to be stored, we would have seen it already stored in the individual Membership records in MLS (or in old days on paper). I'm guessing not having any more info than is needed passed from Bishop to Bishop is a decision made by the General Authorities. Jesse On Oct 21, 2006, at 10:20 AM, Manfred Riem wrote: > Hi Steve, > > You are right on the observations. But for a new bishopric any > information is nice to have. > Getting that information from the old bishopric is not always the way > to go. > People see things > differently depending on their situation. And your worries about it > being documented for all time could easily be fixed, expired the data > after x years. > > Kind regards, > Manfred Riem > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.manorrock.org/ > Founding Java Champion > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steven H. McCown > Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 8:08 AM > To: 'LDS Open Source Software' > Subject: RE: [Ldsoss] Home and Visiting Teaching Tool > > With this thread, there seems to be the underlying assumption that the > 30% of companionships who actually do their hometeaching will actually > take the extra time to write up thoughtful and useful information, > monthly. > > There are those who will enjoy and use this type of system, however, I > would postulate that those same individuals are also taking the time > (currently) > to talk with their EQ Presidency. > > IOW, who will really benefit from the widespread use of this system? > Hometeaching is one of many "people problems", which won't always have > a technological solution. > > Steve > > P.S. Even if the system was widely used, how many would like their > families' > status, weaknesses, problems, etc. to be documented [on the web] for > all time? Kind of makes repentance (i.e., change) more difficult, > doesn't it? > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of A. Rick Anderson > Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 10:33 AM > To: LDS Open Source Software > Subject: Re: [Ldsoss] Home and Visiting Teaching Tool > > Tom Welch wrote: >> the other concern I have is does this program encourage (indirectly) >> EQ presidencies and HP group leaders to not talk with their >> companionships about how the family is doing, instead relying on what >> is typed in the comments field? > Even if the program lead to this results, I'd suggest that that would > be more information then the vast majority of leaders are getting > today and the comments could actually serve as a spring board to know > identify folks for quorum leaders to follow up on personally. Yes, > the handbook asks that every HT companionship be interviewed monthly, > but that is a directive that is far more honored in the breach, then > in the compliance. > > -- > A. Rick Anderson > > ___ > Ldsoss mailing list > Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org > http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss > > ___ > Ldsoss mailing list > Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org > http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss > > ___ > Ldsoss mailing list > Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org > http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
RE: [Ldsoss] Boy Scouts get a "Respect Copyrights" activity badge
Hi there, While it is interesting to debate this I don't think this forum was meant for this. If we are talking about furthering Open Source among LDS developers I think we need to respect the charter of this mailinglist. So please take this offlist and discuss this somewhere else. Kind regards, Manfred Riem [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.manorrock.org/ Founding Java Champion -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shawn Willden Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 7:09 AM To: ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org Subject: Re: [Ldsoss] Boy Scouts get a "Respect Copyrights" activity badge On Tuesday 24 October 2006 05:38, Steven McCown wrote: > Even if you think that it *should* be okay to illegally download music > and videos, at the moment it is not. At this moment it's also illegal to watch legally-purchased DVDs on Linux. Or to rip them and store them on a MythTV video jukebox for more convenient watching (and so that your two year-old doesn't destroy them). For that matter, by the letter of the law it's arguably illegal to convert your CDs to MP3s for listening on your iPod. This subject needs a more nuanced treatment than simply "obey the law". Laws can be and often are wrong. There are many examples throughout history of laws that were horribly immoral. The requirement that laws be obeyed implicitly assumes that the laws are righteous -- it's just another example of the principle of righteous dominion. We are commanded by the Lord to follow the guidance of the leaders placed over us (fathers, husbands, bishops, etc.), but their right to command is contingent upon their righteousness. Unrighteous commands need not, and *should* not be obeyed. In this case, I think it's clear that downloading music and movies rather than paying for them is wrong, but I think the media cartels are also doing evil -- arguably the greater evil. And I think the biggest problem with this notion of an anti-piracy patch for boy scouts is that its requirements are entirely one-sided. I would have no objection to an official BSA badge of some sort that required the scout to understand both sides of copyright law. It should cover not only the exclusive rights granted to the holder, but also the exemptions built into the system (Fair Use, doctrine of first sale, etc.), and, further, the rationale and social contract underylying the notion of copyright. Such a badge would help them obtain respect for copyright law and what it's supposed to do, which would deter piracy, and would equip them to discuss whether or not current law actually fulfills those goals. That would be of value to scouts. As presently defined, the patch is of negative value. It's propaganda, not education. Shawn. ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
RE: [Ldsoss] Boy Scouts get a "Respect Copyrights" activity badge
Hi there, Bringing this badge up was not the thing that was off-topic to me. The discussion about what copyright should be was. And since the requirements for the badge are set by BSA and not us it is not a thing we should be debating. At least not on a mailinglist that I thought was meant for discussing open source. If there is such a thing as "Scouting Leadership Mailinglist" then I would say that is more suitable. Kind regards, Manfred Riem [EMAIL PROTECTED] Founding Java Champion > Original Message > Subject: Re: [Ldsoss] Boy Scouts get a "Respect Copyrights" activity > badge > From: "m h" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Tue, October 24, 2006 10:03 am > To: "LDS Open Source Software" > > On 10/24/06, Shawn Willden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Tuesday 24 October 2006 07:20, Manfred Riem wrote: > > > While it is interesting to debate this I don't think this forum was meant > > > for this. If we are talking about furthering Open Source among LDS > > > developers I think we need to respect the charter of this mailinglist. So > > > please take this offlist and discuss this somewhere else. > > > > Sorry -- my first post to the list ever, and it's off-topic! > > > > Some lists are more careful than others about staying on-topic. Apparently > > this is one of the more-careful ones. I'll remember that in the future. > > > > Shawn. > > No problem Shawn. We are religious about our open source here ;) > > -matt > > ps - Also of the opinion that if this is off-topic, then the charter > needs to be modified... > ___ > Ldsoss mailing list > Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org > http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
RE: [Ldsoss] Boy Scouts get a "Respect Copyrights" activity badge
Hi Steve, Well said. Thank you! Can we now move on with discussing Open Source? ;) Kind regards, Manfred Riem [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.manorrock.org/ Founding Java Champion -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steven H. McCown Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 7:01 AM To: 'LDS Open Source Software' Subject: RE: [Ldsoss] Boy Scouts get a "Respect Copyrights" activity badge On Tuesday, October 24, 2006 7:49 AM Jesse Stay wrote: >IANAL but it *shouldn't* be okay to download movies and music that >weren't intended to be downloaded for free, but it *is* legal. Fair use doctrine... Actually, fair use doctrine is *not* applied to downloads. Fair use only says that once you have copyrighted material, that ***you*** are allowed to make a backup copy and to quote from it. It does not provide for general purpose download sites to exist. Breaking encryption is also prohibited unless certain conditions are met. Here are the 2 main positions on this matter: Position #1: Some say that it should be allowable for people having purchased music and DVD's to then download electronic copies to their digital players. Position #2: Free download sites do not and can not monitor who has purchased a licensed copy. Therefore, they cannot confirm whether they are illegally distributing or not. Both positions are valid. Here's the $64 question: "How can Position #1 be protected while addressing the concerns of those who support Position #2?" Resolve this concern and you will become famous. Yesterday, I was in DC, on business, and I visited the National Archives, where I ran across the following quote: "However combinations or associations of the above description [factions] may now and then answer popular ends, they are likely, in the course of time and things, to become potent engines, by which cunning, ambitious, and unprincipled men will be enabled to subvert the power of the people and to usurp for themselves the reins of government, destroying afterwards the very engines which have lifted them to unjust dominion." -- George Washington, Farewell Address It seems to me that both sides of this debate are falling into this trap. So what do we do? We obey the law, while, if we so choose, working to change it. The old Napster was taken down, because it participated in and facilitated illegal activities. There are numerous individuals who participated in those activities who have/are/will be *rightfully* sued under current US law. In those cases, parents of participating kids were sued and forced to repay $1000's to tens of thousands of dollars. This can be an incredible burden on a family that can barely afford their internet connection. The new Boy Scout patch may serve Hollywood, but it also serves to educate in an effort to teach Scouts about the current law. The patch will help teach scouts how not to make their parents liable for large sums of money. The purpose of the patch is not to debate current law, but simply to educate about it. Don't confuse your opinion of what the law should be with what the law is... Steve ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
RE: [Ldsoss] Boy Scouts get a "Respect Copyrights" activity badge
Hi Jesse,
++1 to your last paragraph!
Kind regards,
Manfred Riem
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Founding Java Champion
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Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 9:53 AM
To: LDS Open Source Software
Subject: Re: [Ldsoss] Boy Scouts get a "Respect Copyrights" activity badge
On 10/25/06, Jay Askren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Maybe we need to have someone create another mailing list covering
> intellectual property, copyright law, and what is legal and what is not.
> This topic seems to come up a lot, and I it seems that people really
> like to argue about it. It would be nice if these arguments would
> move to another list so we could get back to creating open source
software.
I apologize, because I have contributed to the discussion as well. I
personally like the legal and copyright discussions (I don't see them as
arguments), however I see your point here in that whether or not it is legal
or not to download music or video that is copyrighted probably has nothing
to do with OSS or the GPL or other OSS licenses (if you can link it back to
an OSS license I think that would be okay). I think general copyright
discussions ought to be okay on this list though, so long as they don't
venture from the GPL or another open source license. Perhaps the
music/video download discussion (including my own) should stop though and
move to another or new list (anyone know of a good list to discuss stuff
like this?). However, I'd like to see this list self-regulate itself, so if
anyone disagrees, feel free to state your opinions.
In relation to OSS, perhaps this new Scouting merit badge could serve as an
opportunity to educate Scouts about OSS and licensing/IP surrounding the
various OSS licenses.
Jesse
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RE: [Ldsoss] Copyright Query
Why not order them and ship them to his military address? Manfred Riem[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.manorrock.org/Founding Java Champion From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Timothy-Allen AlbertsonSent: Monday, November 13, 2006 8:14 AMTo: Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.orgSubject: [Ldsoss] Copyright Query I am wondering if anyone here knows whether the following would be permissible and not a copyright violation? Our Ward has a Borther serving in the sandbox (iraq). He is desirous of getting CDs of Church Music as he is having an awful bad time with the language and "pin-ups" of his comrades. Would there be any copyright/intellectual property issue with downloading and burning CDs from the Church Music Website? Thanks, Tim Albertson ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
RE: [Ldsoss] LDS Tech Talks
Too bad it conflicts with the local UJUG meeting. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard K Miller Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 12:10 PM To: LDS Open Source Software Subject: [Ldsoss] LDS Tech Talks Joel Dehlin, the Church's CIO, just announced times and locations for the "Tech Talks" he announced a few weeks ago: Salt Lake City January 18th, 6:30pm Joseph Smith Memorial Building, 10th Floor Provo January 23rd, 6:30pm BYU 8th Stake Center (1021 South 500 West) "The first round of tech talks will focus on: Communications (Satellite, IP telephony, wireless and building connectivity) Software development at the Church Infrastructure and data center issues Interaction Design" For more info: http://www.ldscio.org/2007/01/02/tech-talks/ Richard ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
RE: [Ldsoss] PHP remote development environment
Install LAMP locally and then use rsync to push your changes ;) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Haws Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 7:33 PM To: LDS Open Source Software Subject: [Ldsoss] PHP remote development environment I need to get more serious about my PHP (LAMP) development. I have been developing remotely for my web sites (including the Care For Life charity) via the CPanel web editor using the Mozex Firefox extension to send textarea to my local Windows editor. The debug/test cycle is agonizing and dangerous. I think I probably inadvertently closed a browser tab the other day and lost plenty of effort. So, I wonder if this group has wisdom regarding the direction for me to go? Here are some possibilities I have considered: 1. Use vi in the Linux shell. Do I have to? My dad is pushing me that way, but he says it takes months to learn vi right. 2. Install a local development environment. I don't know what this would involve, but I like to be able to access my development environment from anywhere. 3. Some other (???) linux shell editor or environment. Thanks beforehand for your help. -- Tom Haws 480-201-5476 Have a beautiful day. ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
RE: [Ldsoss] Fireside talk on the Internet
Boy your wife must have time on her hand ;)
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Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 8:19 PM
To: LDS Open Source Software
Subject: Re: [Ldsoss] Fireside talk on the Internet
On Tue, May 15, 2007 at 01:19:30PM -0500, Stacey wrote:
> I have been asked to give a fireside talk to educate parents
> on what they should know about the Internet and how to protect
> their children. I am sure this group has lots of good ideas,
> web links, and maybe even a presentation they gave on a
> similar subject they would like to share. I would especially
> like to hear about Windows based solutions and ideas because
> for me and my house, we run Macs. In fact, I have been pretty
> much Windows free for about 7 years. I do use Parallels
> Desktop for the Mac to run PAF (since it only comes in the
> Windows flavor).
We use an approach that probably wouldn't work for 99% of the world - but it
works well for us. I have a linux box that provides routing for the entire
house. On it I run a simple script that sniffs the web traffic and creates a
log of all of the http requests. Once a day my wife runs a cgi script that
displays every image that anyone has accessed. Everyone in the house knows
that whatever they look at, mom will see too.
Unfortunately, the script doesn't work for https requests.
#!/usr/bin/perl
use Net::Pcap;
use Net::PcapUtils;
use NetPacket::Ethernet qw(:strip);
use NetPacket::IP;
use NetPacket::TCP;
use Socket;
use Fcntl ':flock';
use POSIX qw(strftime);
# only allow one of these to run at a time...
open(LOCK,">>.http-lock") || die "open: $!\n";
flock(LOCK,LOCK_EX|LOCK_NB) || exit;
$*=1; # multiline
$cap=Net::PcapUtils::open(SNAPLEN=>1600,FILTER=>"dst port 80") || warn
$err,$cap,"\n"; $hdr={};
while($pkt=Net::Pcap::next($cap,$hdr)) { my $eth_obj =
NetPacket::Ethernet->decode($pkt);
my $ip_obj = NetPacket::IP->decode($eth_obj->{data});
my $tcp_obj = NetPacket::TCP->decode($ip_obj->{data});
$_=$tcp_obj->{data};
if(($cmd,$url)=/^(GET|PUT|POST)\s+(\S*)/) {
$src=$ip_obj->{src_ip};
($host)=/Host:\s*(\S*)/;
$file=strftime("%Y-%m-%d",localtime($hdr->{tv_sec}));
$tm=strftime("%Y/%m/%d %T",localtime($hdr->{tv_sec}));
`echo \"$hdr->{tv_sec} $tm $src http://$host$url\"; >>$file.log`; } }
send me a note if anyone wants the cgi script.
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RE: [Ldsoss] Fireside talk on the Internet
So it is more link spot browsing?
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Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 9:48 PM
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Subject: Re: [Ldsoss] Fireside talk on the Internet
On Wed, May 16, 2007 at 09:20:47PM -0600, Manfred Riem wrote:
> Boy your wife must have time on her hand ;)
all images accessed during a day get put on a single page - it usually takes
1-2 minutes to scroll through the page.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Whiting
> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 8:19 PM
> To: LDS Open Source Software
> Subject: Re: [Ldsoss] Fireside talk on the Internet
>
> On Tue, May 15, 2007 at 01:19:30PM -0500, Stacey wrote:
>
> > I have been asked to give a fireside talk to educate parents
> > on what they should know about the Internet and how to protect
> > their children. I am sure this group has lots of good ideas,
> > web links, and maybe even a presentation they gave on a
> > similar subject they would like to share. I would especially
> > like to hear about Windows based solutions and ideas because
> > for me and my house, we run Macs. In fact, I have been pretty
> > much Windows free for about 7 years. I do use Parallels
> > Desktop for the Mac to run PAF (since it only comes in the
> > Windows flavor).
>
> We use an approach that probably wouldn't work for 99% of the world -
> but it works well for us. I have a linux box that provides routing for
> the entire house. On it I run a simple script that sniffs the web
> traffic and creates a log of all of the http requests. Once a day my
> wife runs a cgi script that displays every image that anyone has
> accessed. Everyone in the house knows that whatever they look at, mom will
see too.
>
> Unfortunately, the script doesn't work for https requests.
>
> #!/usr/bin/perl
>
> use Net::Pcap;
> use Net::PcapUtils;
> use NetPacket::Ethernet qw(:strip);
> use NetPacket::IP;
> use NetPacket::TCP;
> use Socket;
> use Fcntl ':flock';
> use POSIX qw(strftime);
>
> # only allow one of these to run at a time...
> open(LOCK,">>.http-lock") || die "open: $!\n";
> flock(LOCK,LOCK_EX|LOCK_NB) || exit;
>
> $*=1; # multiline
> $cap=Net::PcapUtils::open(SNAPLEN=>1600,FILTER=>"dst port 80") ||
> warn $err,$cap,"\n"; $hdr={};
> while($pkt=Net::Pcap::next($cap,$hdr)) { my $eth_obj =
> NetPacket::Ethernet->decode($pkt);
> my $ip_obj = NetPacket::IP->decode($eth_obj->{data});
> my $tcp_obj = NetPacket::TCP->decode($ip_obj->{data});
> $_=$tcp_obj->{data};
> if(($cmd,$url)=/^(GET|PUT|POST)\s+(\S*)/) {
>$src=$ip_obj->{src_ip};
>($host)=/Host:\s*(\S*)/;
>$file=strftime("%Y-%m-%d",localtime($hdr->{tv_sec}));
>$tm=strftime("%Y/%m/%d %T",localtime($hdr->{tv_sec}));
>`echo \"$hdr->{tv_sec} $tm $src http://$host$url\"; >>$file.log`; }
> }
>
> send me a note if anyone wants the cgi script.
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RE: [Ldsoss] Re: HT and VT Tool
Nice start, What are you using? I hope an object oriented way of doing it? Do you use JPA? Manfred Riem [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.manorrock.org/ Founding Java Champion https://java-champions.dev.java.net/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sean M. Cox Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 11:22 PM To: LDS Open Source Software Subject: [Ldsoss] Re: HT and VT Tool Benjamin, I've actually, for the past couple of months, been working on something similar to this. My project is currently called "Quorum Secretary". My plan was to open source it once I got it to a state where the fundamental features of the program were working properly. However, I'm very interested in collaborating on something like this, so I'd be quite willing to make the source code available more immediately. I don't even care if somebody wanted to outright steal it to make a similar sort of free program. This kind of program just needs to be written. (I've been amazed that I can't find the likes of it already available.) I'm currently in a ward that includes family housing for a nearby university. Consequently the comings and goings are frequent, which makes juggling home teaching assignments and things a little tricky. Our EQ president is currently using an Excel spreadsheet to manage things, which is unnecessarily taxing. He had made some noise about designing something with Access, so I determined that if something like that was to be done, it should be done right. (ie. not with Access) The program I'm working on will currently do an initial import of the CSV file put out by the ward directory on the ward website. (However, updating is still on my todo list.) The program, as it now stands, will allow one to manually edit details for individuals and households which are not provided by the CSV file. There is also an "action log" which is a blog-like field for making note of things that occur during presidency visits or noteworthy events. Old versions of records are also retained for the sake of good record-keeping. (My todo list also includes making the UI capable of browsing these records.) The UI for editing companionships is still in a prototype phase. (ie. not functional) You can download the prototype, temporarily, at http://www.theshtick.org/personal/QuorumSecretary.jar The database is a custom design, but I have tried to design the program such that the data storage might be more transparent. I probably haven't succeeded in that completely, but it is something I have in mind as needing to be accomplished. Sean Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hi everyone! > > There has been a thread about HT/VT tools on here a while ago. Since nothing new has come up since then (as far as I know) and my ambitions are quite different, I'd like to bring up this topic once again. > > Well, I'll start out with my situation: My ward is some 100 square miles in size and lacks in active home teachers. Each companionship has up to 7 active families and another 10 - 20 less active (up to "hostile") ones. Due to this and some more aspects, the MLS HT module (and more) doesn't really fit our needs. > > (Ideally, open sourcing MLS would solve all our problems, but that doesn't seem to happen anywhere near in the future) > > Right now, I'm working on a little extension allowing extended, individualized reports and a more complex HT assignment and reporting module, allowing goal tracking and warnings for families not having been visited for a certain amount of time etc. > > My first approach would be to hack something down using the exported csv's and JPA (Hibernate) on JSE. > > Since this project might be of use for someone else, I wanted to mention it here. If some more people are interested and willing to help, I would rather start on a JEE basis on JBoss or something like that. > > > Best wishes from Germany, > Benjamin > ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
RE: [Ldsoss] Re: HT and VT Tool
You might want to consider using Java ... As far as I heard a lot of Java is going on at the Church ;) Kind regards, Manfred Riem [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.manorrock.org/ Founding Java Champion https://java-champions.dev.java.net/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Slide Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 12:10 AM To: LDS Open Source Software Subject: Re: [Ldsoss] Re: HT and VT Tool On 5/18/07, Sean M. Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Benjamin, > I've actually, for the past couple of months, been working on something similar to this. I too have been working on something like this :-) Great minds think alike. Personally, for me as Ward Clerk, I find it hard to keep up with the many baptisms, Priesthood advancements, etc (we have a very large ward with an average of 3 new families moving in per week) we have going on. I've been developing a set of Python scripts to import data from the exports into a local database. Then, I have a cron job that every Sunday night sends out an email with upcoming baptisms for the next month as well as Priesthood advancements for the next Sunday (or for two Sundays ahead). The reporting is currently based on a plug-in architecture, where the report information is stored in the database per leader (e.g., the Bishop can receive just the new people who's records arrived, the Executive Secretary can get just the baptisms and Priesthood Advancements, etc). Its all still in a very alpha stage, but I'd like to hear ideas that other people have. I was planning on possibly adding a web frontend using Pylons. I'd like to see something like be able to run on the computer in the Church building, but I don't think that will happen any time soon :-) Open sourcing MLS would make stuff like this really easy, I certainly hope it will happen some day. slide ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
RE: [Ldsoss] (no subject)
Hi Sean, Using JPA and JavaDB you would have a database up and running in a very short while. Importing data you could do using a separate DSN in Windows. All you would then need to do is databinding. See http://blogs.sun.com/roumen/entry/swing_application_framework_swing_databind ing Manfred Riem mriem at manorrock.org http://www.manorrock.org/ Founding Java Champion https://java-champions.dev.java.net/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sean M. Cox Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 10:19 AM To: ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org Subject: [Ldsoss] (no subject) Manfred, Currently, as I mentioned, the database is a custom design. My application interfaces with the Individual's, Household's, and Companionship's via an object which I refer to as a "Superset". A Superset is an interface which is intended to be implemented to manage the access of data in different repositories. Currently I have two implementations; one to access the data in the CSV file, rather directly, and the other to access my custom database. Access to the custom database is handled via a third class/layer, which is simply called a Connection. The connection does all the file reading/writing and provides the most basic query functions to the higher level classes. Concerning the JPA, I'm not really personally familiar with it, which would currently be the only reason why I haven't used it thus far. Sean Cox | Nice start, | | What are you using? I hope an object oriented way of doing it? Do you use | JPA? | | Manfred Riem | mriem at manorrock.org | http://www.manorrock.org/ | Founding Java Champion | https://java-champions.dev.java.net/ ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
RE: [Ldsoss] Re: HT and VT Tool
Hahahhaha ;) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bryan Murdock Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 3:15 PM To: LDS Open Source Software Subject: Re: [Ldsoss] Re: HT and VT Tool On 5/18/07, Manfred Riem <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You might want to consider using Java ... As far as I heard a lot of > Java is going on at the Church ;) Nah, stick with Python. The Church developers will someday see the light. ;-) Bryan ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
RE: [Ldsoss] Re: HT and VT Tool
Hi Tom, Having dealt with an issue in the past concerning the Membership record I can say that really depends on the country of residence. At the time I was in Holland and there an individual can request access to any record pertaining to them or minors in their care. The law there even goes as far as allowing access to the other spouse record if the individual is mentioned on it. Note that I say ACCESS, so handing out is not really the issue. How it is here I do not know. I guess it comes down to the privacy policy the church has in place for each country ;) Manfred _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Haws Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 12:09 PM To: LDS Open Source Software Subject: Re: [Ldsoss] Re: HT and VT Tool I have heard it called confidential, but for the life of me I can't fathom why. Maybe like the Social Security number, some people are just touchy about such things. On that subject, I recently got a message on MLS pointing out that the Individual Ordinance Summary is for handing out to a member, but the Membership record is NOT. But again, for the life of me, I haven't yet discerned any difference between them. And I certainly can't figure out any moral justification for keeping information on people that they aren't permitted to access. Does anybody have any insight on this? Tom On 5/22/07, Slide <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 5/22/07, Bill Pringle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The CSV files from MLS also contain the membership IDs, which is a > permanent identification. That is what you can use and never > change. The internal ID value seems fairly stable, but I only use it > to match up the HT/VT and Organization records with the Membership > records. I have defined an auxiliary file that I use for my > program. This file contains the membership ID along with any other > information I want to keep (like cell phones and e-mail for each > member) By comparing the auxiliary file with the import, I can tell > who is new and who is no longer on the records. > Isn't the MRN confidential information though? That is why I wasn't storing it or using it. slide ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss -- Tom Haws 480-201-5476 Have a beautiful day. ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
RE: [Ldsoss] Re: HT and VT Tool
Hence the reason to not use the MRN ;) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shawn Willden Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 2:45 PM To: ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org Subject: Re: [Ldsoss] Re: HT and VT Tool On Tuesday 22 May 2007 02:09:22 pm Stacey wrote: > Well, for example, with someone's MRN (and confirmation date) you sign > up for an account on the ward/stake web site or buy garments/temple > clothing off ldscatalog.com as a non-member. And the confirmation date is fairly guessable for most members born in the covenant to active families. Not sure how much it matters, though. Shawn. ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
Re: [Ldsoss] Automatic Update in Java
Hi Jay, You can actually put the application on a CD and bootstrap from there. and then for subsequent updates use the normal Java Web Start features. See http://java.sun.com/javase/6/docs/technotes/tools/share/javaws.html for command line options to web start that allow you to import an application in the cache from a CD. Which you can then use to start. If you need more guidance, don't hesitate to drop me an email. Manfred Riem [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.manorrock.org/ Founding Java Champion -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jay Askren Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 9:09 AM To: LDS Open Source Software Subject: Re: [Ldsoss] Automatic Update in Java I am planning on using Java Web Start as one way to distribute the app. I still need an update solution outside of that though as I would like to be able to distribute cd's in addition to providing a link. I don't believe I can use Java Web Start from a cd. On 9/4/07, Slide <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 9/4/07, Jay Askren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm working on an open source project in which I want to make updating > > the application very easy. For instance Firefox automatically updates > > itself when there is an update. MLS from the church does the same > > thing. I want to do this with my own Java application. Does anyone > > know of an open source, or at least inexpensive way to do this? Of > > course, I could make it a web app, and it would be a non issue, but > > this app is more appropriately a desktop app. > > > > Jay > > > Java WebStart seems to be the method of choice from my googling. I am > not sure how well it fits your application constraints, but it may be > worth looking into. > > slide > ___ > Ldsoss mailing list > Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org > http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss > ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
Re: [Ldsoss] Wards and Stakes
Hi Jesse, I can't speak for the Church as a whole, but I know that in the Netherlands the Church would have to get permission of each individual (bishop, stake president, etceteras) involved to post any information about name and telephone number on a publicly accessible website because of local privacy laws. Note that whenever I moved I just asked my local bishop which ward/stake I would be in and I would request the phone number from them. And I never had a problem getting it. Manfred From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Welch Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 2:48 PM To: LDS Open Source Software Subject: Re: [Ldsoss] Wards and Stakes Jesse Stay wrote: I am curious, though, the reasoning for protecting just the names of the Wards and Stakes? Is anyone aware of why this would be protected outside of personal use? I understand personal data, but I would think allowing publication of Ward and Stakes, and even locations would be beneficial in spreading the word even further on where your local LDS congregation meets. Is there a file anywhere I can get this from without violating the Church's EULA through scraping Mormon.org? My only other option is to have users type in their Wards and Stakes, which bring in chances for inaccuracies. It is very difficult to anticipate all of the types of data and uses that people can think of when wanting to use data generated by the Church. I don't know if the Church would have a problem using the ward and stake names data but I would recommend that you contact the membership department to find out. Tom _ NOTICE: This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
