Re: Favorite Distribution for 390

[Jon R. Doyle]

If you do not have $'s and you do not intend to run applications that need
support or certification, run Debian. If you need support for oracle for
example, pay and run SuSE.

Jon R. Doyle
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On Sun, 30 Mar 2003, Paul Raulerson wrote:

> Hi guys - we are looking *hard* at purchasing a new z800 0FL machine to run Linux as 
> our primary
> host computer at work. This is a great idea I think, but I could really use some 
> advice on the distributions.
>
> First, pricing... glancing at SuSE's sight, I see what appears to be restricitve 
> licensing (can only run on one machine image?) and
> some high pricing ($16K for a single image?). Either I am looking in the wrong 
> place, or they have lost
> their minds. I even saw something that seemed to indicate the license was per year. 
> Not acceptable.
>
> Which irritates me a lot because SuSE is my favorite distribution, and the SuSE V7 
> release I have here (which does
> not appear to have the kind of restrinctions) is simply too old.
>
> Redhat does not seem to post pricing at all for390 images, and reading the last 800 
> or 900 messages in this newsgroup
> I am not all that enthused with them anyway.
>
> Which narrows things down pretty much to Debian, I think. (TurboLinux says they 
> don't sell in the U.S.) There is also
> ThinkBlue, but it appears to be two years old as well.
>
> In any case, my ideal distribution would have zero restrictions regarding licensing 
> (except of course, for the individual licenses
> of individual software packages and so forth...) and support available, if I want to 
> pay for it. I understand that IBM says they
> support ever distribution avaiable for 390, at a cost of course, but I want to get 
> more opinions.
>
> So... which distributions do you guys prefer, what kind of costing an I looking at, 
> and if we decide to go with
> Debian, has anyone got any experience with it in a production environment?
>
> Thanks
> -Paul Raulerson
>

Re: Is there a Veritas client for the zseries Linux?

[Jon R. Doyle]

Tar or RSYNC work

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On Fri, 21 Mar 2003, Abdullah Al-humaid wrote:

> How would you go about backing up the linux server if
> there wasn't one. One idea I can think of is NFS
> mounting the linux filesystem on a mchine that has a
> client. Any others?
>
> __
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> Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop!
> http://platinum.yahoo.com
>

Re: ext2 and reiserfs

[Jon R. Doyle]

No in fact for /boot it is prefered to use ext2 since that partition is
usually less than 64Meg and the journal if I rememebr right on ReiserFS is
like 30meg, besides, the fschk on a small /boot is minimal and it has
nothing like deep queue for mail or such with lots of files.

Regards,


Jon

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On Thu, 20 Mar 2003, Noll, Ralph wrote:

> is there a problem with having both ext2
> and reiserfs on the same linux
>
> suse sles8 31 bit s/390
>
> thanks
>
> Ralph Noll
> Systems Programmer
> City of Little Rock
> Phone (501) 371-4884
> Fax   (501) 371-4712
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Re: Interesting perspective

[Jon R. Doyle]

On Tue, 18 Mar 2003, John Summerfield wrote:

> On Mon, 17 Mar 2003, Steven A. Adams wrote:
>
> > >
> >
> > I think ComPaqard calls this Hymilaya (used to be Tandem).
>
> Did Tandem use Linux? I'm sure I went to a Tandem Non-stop presentation
> late 70s, early 80s.
>
> According to my info (Reliable Linux, Iain Campbell, Wiley), ha-linux
> "had its genesis with Alan Robertson's heartbeat code." I think Alan
> works for IBM.


Alan worked for Bell Labs, then in my group at SuSE, and now at IBM Linux
labs. He contribues/owns the "Heartbeat" project linux-ha.org and we
supported the SGI port of "Failsafe" to linux, which included the "kits"
or scripts for product failover (meaning Oracle etc).



>
> HA-Linux is open-source. There are also LVS (open Source) and various
> vendor offerings
> VAnessa (VA Linux)
> RH HAS ha.redhat.com
> FailSafe (SGI)
> Blue Hammer (IBM PSSP)
> and more.
>
>
>
>
> --
>
>
> Cheers
> John.
>
> Join the "Linux Support by Small Businesses" list at
> http://mail.computerdatasafe.com.au/mailman/listinfo/lssb
>

Re: Interesting perspective

[Jon R. Doyle]

Hymilaya is ZLE or non-stop Windows like kernel. The linux HA is Steeleye SW
and HW like this:

http://h18004.www1.hp.com/solutions/enterprise/highavailability/dl380/index.
html


Alan Robertson's linux-ha.org project is the "heartbeat" package that has
some kits available; when he was at SuSE I recall we had Apache, and DRDB,
with SAP and Oracle in the works. Some of this work also went into the
oss.sgi.com "Failsafe" project that Alan and Lars Marowsky-Bree headed up.


Most, well really all I know of, our Linux customers use Steeleye, and this
is on Dell or IBM too. Solaris customers I have seen here use Veritas.

Regards,

Jon


On 3/17/03 7:49 PM, "Steven A. Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Mon, 2003-03-17 at 19:32, John Summerfield wrote:
>> On Mon, 17 Mar 2003, Steve Gentry wrote:
>>
>>> Further . . .
>>>
>>> "Once a fix is made to the code, the patched version of the OS can be
>>> swapped into place . . . without taking down the system"
>>>
>>> I've been a sys.prog. for about 20 years, 15 of those in VM and I don't
>>> know of any feature that will let a sys prog do this!  If so, I've spent a
>>> lot of late nights and weekends upgradeing when I could have done it
>>> during the week. In reality, no you do not have to power the box off, but
>>> you do have to cycle VM or VSE.  I'm not sure about z/OS, but since the
>>> author mentions "virtual machines" aka VM, in my opinion he is wrong.  Now
>>> don't misunderstand me, I'm for VM getting all the "accurate" press it can
>>
>>
>> I read that and wondered.
>>
>> You can come pretty close on IA32 hardware, using duplicate servers and
>> so-called failover. See www.linux-ha.org.
>>
>
> I think ComPaqard calls this Hymilaya (used to be Tandem).
>

Re: Send mail alert - is this old? Are there L/390 patches out yet?

[Jon R. Doyle]

sendmail.org

Jon R. Doyle
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On Tue, 4 Mar 2003, James Melin wrote:

> |-+>
> | |   "Harrod, William"|
> | |   <[EMAIL PROTECTED]|
> | |   e.com>   |
> | ||
> | |   03/03/2003 02:17 |
> | |   PM   |
> | ||
> |-+>
>   
> >--|
>   |  
> |
>   |   To:   "Harrod, William" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> |
>   |   cc:
> |
>   |   Subject:  TruSecure ALERT- TSA 03-002 - Sendmail Buffer Overflow -- ALERT  
> |
>   
> >--|
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
>
> TruSecure ALERT- TSA 03-002 - Sendmail Buffer Overflow -- ALERT
>
> Initial Assessment:  Important
> Date: February 14, 2003
> Time:  2000 UTC
> Current Assessment: RED HOT
> Date:  March 3, 2003
> Time:  1700 UTC
>
> On February 14th a TruSecure Radar posting indicated that we were
> aware of a potential vulnerability in Sendmail.  Today, a coordinated
> announcement was made regarding a Sendmail header buffer overflow
> vulnerability.  It is expected that code exploiting this
> vulnerability is already in circulation and attacks will be likely in
> the near future.
>
> Most installations of Unix include Sendmail by default and are
> therefore probably vulnerable.
>
> This may impact an organization's infrastructure because many
> firewalls and content filtering products contain Sendmail.
>
> It is recommended that customers who are using a firewall that
> proxies mail, using Sendmail, implement packet filtering rules to
> redirect mail through patched or non-Sendmail systems while
> propagating fixes from their vendors.
>
>
> RISK INDICIES:
>
> Current Assessment: RED HOT
>
> Threat: High - The vulnerability allows administrative access on an
> exploited host.  The exploit takes advantage of a fixed-sized buffer
> used to process certain mail header fields, (To:, From:, CC:, Resent
> From: and related comment fields.)
>
> Vulnerability Prevalence: High - Sendmail is installed by default on
> most Unix systems and this exploit may impact critical infrastructure
> devices as well as numerous devices without mail functionality, but
> with Sendmail installed.
>
> TruSecure is aware that known malicious coders currently have exploit
> code to work from.  We expect simple exploits in the near term, and
> more complex exploits including mail-based worms shortly thereafter.
>
> Cost: High - This exploit may provide administrative access on
> vulnerable systems, including infrastructure devices.
>
> MITIGATIONS:
>
> 1.   Re-routing mail from Sendmail devices to already patched
> servers
> or non-Sendmail systems while propagating patches.
>
> 2.   Substitute other Message Transfer Agents for Sendmail in your
> organization (Postfix, Qmail, Exim, Exchange...)
>
> 3.   Patch vulnerable systems as quickly as possible.  The
> following
> vendors have announced patch availability: Mandrake, SuSE, IBM,
> FreeBSD, OpenBSD, SGI, Red Hat.
>
> NOTES:
> 1.   People using TruSecure Shadow Mail should be safe from this
> attack
> downstream.
>
> 2.   There are reports that Sendmail servers downstream from
> Patched
> Sendmail systems may be protected from potential attacks.
>

Re: SLES8 Install Problems

[Jon R. Doyle]

iso9660

Jon R. Doyle
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On Tue, 25 Feb 2003, Noll, Ralph wrote:

> what is the mount command and the type to mount my cdrom from my windows box
> to install a product from my win pc onto my linux machine
>
> mount -t ftp 10.201.18.2 /cdrom...
> zvmlinx5:/# mount -t ftp 10.201.18.2 /cdrom
> mount: fs type ftp not supported by kernel
> zvmlinx5:/#
>
> error message above
>
>
> Ralph
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Scott Archer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 11:02 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: SLES8 Install Problems
>
>
> WAR-FTPD is a server that will work with a Linux install, unlike microsoft
> ftp servers which only have a subset of the FTP command set. It is free and
> can be found at http://www.jgaa.com/ Now I can install Linux from my window
> workstation w/o having to bother the UNIX group to mount my CD on one of
> their FTP servers.
>
> Chapter 5, page 23 (Making the installation data available via FTP)
> describes the need for it.  It works well, in fact I'm replacing my current
> FTP server with WAR-FTPD.
>
> Scott
>
>
> At 09:19 AM 02/25/2003, you wrote:
> >What is WAR-FTPD?  FTPD I know, but WAR is unfamiliar to me.
> >
> >Eric Bielefeld
> >Sr. MVS Systems Programmer
> >P&H Mining Equipment
> >Milwaukee, WI
> >414-671-7849
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/24/03 04:56PM >>>
> >Okay.. solved my space problem.  I'm doing an FTP install using
> >WAR-FTPD. I set the max users on the ftp server to 5 to be safe?. The
> >install logs on at least 24 times without logging off.  Go figure. I set
> >the max users to 4000.  Anyway now I can see all the packages and it
> >says I have enough room. Another tip for WAR-FTPD users is to set the file
> >access alias to /cdrom so the install can find it.
>
> **
>   Scott Archer
>
> Mainframe Systems Administration, New Mexico State University
> E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> URL: http://sarcher.nmsu.edu
> Phone: (505)646-6186
> **
>

Re: Getting Online Update to work

[Jon R. Doyle]

http://sdb.suse.de/en/sdb/html/drahn_patch_update.html

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On Fri, 21 Feb 2003, Lucius, Leland wrote:

> Hi Ann,
>
> I got it to work under SLES7(.2).  But, I'd like to see if someone from SuSE
> responds to your question first, before I tell what I had to do.  Why?
> Because knowing me, I probably took the "wrong" way around to get it to work
> and am curious what the "right" way is.
>
> Leland
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Ann Smith
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 2/21/03 12:52 PM
> Subject: Getting Online Update to work
>
> We recently installed SLES7 and SLES8. How do you get Online Update to
> work from YaST2? With SLES7 we get a list of ftp servers to pick from
> but can't get any to connect. With SLES8 there is no list, just one
> entry 'http://sdb.suse.de/youfix'.
> I did register our key at Suse using the website and I did ask for a
> password, though I don't know if they will be needed..
>

Re: LFS

[Jon R. Doyle]

You need to convert ReiserFS to support LFS, SLES7 shipped in compat mode,
and if you mount the fs -convert I think is the option it will become 3.6
format and work. The other option is reformat the partition you wish to
have LFS with mkreiserfs -v2 /dev/xxx I think FTP programs might have
issue with 2gig or more files BTW.

Regards,

Jon

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On Fri, 21 Feb 2003, Dietmar Rueger wrote:

> We have:
> LINUX1 SLES7 VM 31Bit with a user filesystems LVM-Reiserfs, SAMBA up
> LINUX2 SLES7 VM 31Bit same as LINUX1
> SYSLINUX SuSE Linux 8 Intel
> WinPC workstation with WS-FTP and a file > 3 G Bytes
>
> In the meantime we tried this:
> 1. moved the file from WinPC to LINUX1 by using Windows Drag&Drop and Samba
>
> -rwxr-1 bTexUser  3784691712 Feb 18 15:05 exfullbie.dmp
> drwxr-xr-x9 busers1224 Feb 20 13:46 .
> -rwxr-1 bTexUser  3784691712 Feb 20 13:48 exfullbie.txt
>
>  both big files are identical except name
>
> 2. accessing file by Midn Comm on LINUX1 gives
>
>  File 'exfullbie.dmp' exists but can not be stat-ed: Value too large for
> defined data type
>
> 3. tried WS-FTP to LINUX2, client said
>
> connecting to 172.26.18.2:36531
> Connecting to 172.26.18.2 port 36531
> STOR exfullbie.dmp
> 150 Opening BINARY mode data connection for 'exfullbie.DMP'.
> ! Send error: connection reset
> Transmitted -2147451904 bytes in 3125.7 secs, (101.56 bps), transfer failed
> 452 Error writing file: Illegal seek.
>
> 4. tried ftp LINUX1 to LINUX2, client said
>
> Remote system type is UNIX.
> Using binary mode to transfer files.
> ftp> bin
> 200 Type set to I.
> ftp> get /home/b/exfullbie.dmp /u1/getfullbie.dmp
> local: /u1/getfullbie.dmp remote: /home/b/exfullbie.dmp
> 229 Entering Extended Passive Mode (|||38270|)
> 550 /home/b/exfullbie.dmp: not a plain file.
> ftp> ftp> get /home/b/exfullbie.dmp /u1/getfullbie.txt
> local: /u1/getfullbie.txt remote: /home/bxxx/exfullbie.dmp
> 229 Entering Extended Passive Mode (|||38275|)
> 550 /home/b/exfullbie.dmp: not a plain file.
> ftp> get /home/b/exfullbie.txt /u1/getfullbie.txt
> local: /u1/getfullbie.txt remote: /home/b/exfullbie.txt
> 229 Entering Extended Passive Mode (|||38276|)
> 550 /home/b/exfullbie.txt: not a plain file.
> ftp>
>
> 5. as a reference tried WinPC command prompt ftp to SYSLINUX (Intel)
>
> C:\TEMP\FTP>ftp 172.26.4.59
> Verbindung mit 172.26.4.59 wurde hergestellt. >> connection established
> 220 syslinux.SXX-XX FTP server (Version 6.5/OpenBSD, linux port 0.3.2)
> ready.
> Benutzer (172.26.4.59:(none)): hebi
> 331 Password required for hebi.
> Kennwort:
> 230- Have a lot of fun...
> 230 User hebi logged in.
> ftp> put c:\temp\ftp\exfullbie.txt /tmp/exfullbie.txt
> 200 PORT command successful.
> 150 Opening BINARY mode data connection for '/tmp/exfullbie.txt'.
> > Netout :Verbindung wurde von Peer zurückgesetzt >> connection reset by
> peer
> 452 Error writing file: Illegal seek.
> ftp>
>
> Any comments ? Kernel is 2.4, glibc is 2.4
>
> > Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 18:05:14 +0800
> < From: John Summerfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject:  Re: LFS
>
> > > John,
> > >
> > > a file transfer abend into Linux/390 (ftpd) after exactly 2G bytes ...
> > > I just researched the archives using "file size limit" and found the
> > > thread covering this problem with valuable advice from your side.
> > > This seems to be an excellent start for problem determination for us.
> > > Sorry for not checking the archives carefully enough in the first place
> ...
>
> > If you're making progress with the problem that's good, but I'm still
> confused.
>
> > What gave up? The daemon on L/390, or the client?
>
> > I would expect the transfer to work correctly on my desktop system, files
> larger
> > than 2 Gbytes are fully supported by the combination of glibc 2.2 and
> linux 2.4.
>
> > Some software, and Hercules I think is an example, does not recognise
> this and
> > may work round the "problem" (as Hercules does) or fail mysteriously,
> perhaps by
> > its own checking, or by copying a 64-bit field (file size for example) to
> > 32-bits and back.
>
> > > > Date:Fri, 14 Feb 2003 06:42:29 +0800
> > > > From:John Summerfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > Subject: Re: LFS
> > >
> > > >> We

Re: TSM Client on SLES8

[Jon R. Doyle]

Yast will find the packages you need automagically. Other was is look in
the "d' section and find the right libs package.

Regards,

Jon

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On Thu, 20 Feb 2003, Rich Smrcina wrote:

> I am trying to install the TSM Client 5.1.5 on SLES8 and during the rpm I am
> greeted with this cheery message:
>
> error: failed dependencies:
> libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 is needed by TIVsm-BA-5.1.5-0
>
> Is there some linking magic to do or a compatibility library that needs to be
> installed to resolve this?
> --
> Rich Smrcina
> Sr. Systems Engineer
> Sytek Services, A Division of DSG
> Milwaukee, WI
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Catch the WAVV!  Stay for Requirements and the Free for All!
> Update your S/390 skills in 4 days for a very reasonable price.
> WAVV 2003 in Winston-Salem, NC.
> April 25-29, 2003
> For details see http://www.wavv.org
>

Re: FW: Network Problems with new kernel....

[Jon R. Doyle]

make dep
make bzlilo
make modules
make modules_install
mk_initrd
depmod -a

You do need to install the newer ver of modutiles of course

Regards,

Jon

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On Fri, 31 Jan 2003, Geyer, Thomas L. wrote:

> Mark,
>
> No I did not...
>
> Thomas L. Geyer
> Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Phone:(330) 471-2073
> Fax:(330) 471-4034
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Post, Mark K [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 3:01 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Network Problems with new kernel
>
>
> Tom,
>
> Did you upgrade your modutils package also?
>
> Mark Post
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Geyer, Thomas L. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 2:54 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Network Problems with new kernel
>
>
> I am running SLES7 under zVM 4.3 using a Guest Lan. The current kernel is
> 2.4.7. I have built kermel 2.4.19, when I reboot with the new kernel I see
> the folloowing errors:
>
> Initializing random number generator 7  [80C [10D [1;32mdone
>  [m"
>  [m"
> modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module eth0
> Setting up network device eth0:
> modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module eth0
> SIOCSIFADDR: No such device
> modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module eth0
> eth0: unknown interface: No such device
> modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module eth0
> SIOCSIFBRDADDR: No such device
> modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module eth0
> eth0: unknown interface: No such device
> modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module eth0
> SIOCSIFNETMASK: No such device
> modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module eth0
> SIOCSIFMTU: No such device
> modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module eth0
> eth0: unknown interface: No such device
>  7  [80C [10D [1;31mfailed [m" 8
> Waiting 15s for qeth network device eth0. 7
>  [m" [m"Setting up routing (using /etc/route.conf)
>  [1mError while excuting:
> /sbin/route add default gw 147.185.179.65 [m
> SIOCADDRT: Network is unreachable
> Setting up routing 7  [80C [10D [1;31mfailed [m" 8
>  [m" [m"Starting RPC portmap daemon  [80C [10D [1;32mdone [m"
>  [m"Starting SSH daemon 7  [80C [10D [1;32mdone [m" 8
>  [m"Starting syslog services  [80C [10D [1;32mdone [m"
>  [m" [m"Starting lpdIPv6 v0.8 for NET4.0
> IPv6 over IPv4 tunneling driver
> Jan 30 13:49:12 ctnhtx01 sshd[215]: error: Bind to port 22 on 0.0.0.0
> failed: Ad
>  7  [80C [10D [1;32mdone [m" 8
>  [m" [m"Starting service at daemon:  [80C [10D [1;32mdone [m"
>  [m" [m"Initializing SMTP port. (sendmail)  [80C [10D [1;32mdone [m"
>  [m" [m" [m" [m" [m"
> Starting CRON daemon 7  [80C [10D [1;32mdone [m" 8
>  [m" [m"Starting kernel based NFS serversvc: unknown version (3)
>   [80C [10D [1;32mdone [m"
>  [m"Starting Name Service Cache Daemon 7  [80C [10D [1;32mdone [m" 8
>  [m"Starting inetd 7  [80C [10D [1;32mdone [m" 8
>  [m" [m"Master Resource Control: runlevel 3 has been   [80C [10D [1mreached
> [m"
>
> When I logon onto the virtual machine through the TN3270, I see (using the
> lsmod command) that the qdio.o and qeth.o modules have not been loaded. I
> then use the insmod command to load qdio.o and qeth.o followed by ifconfig
> and route command to get the Linux virtual machine on the network.
>
> I have compared the locations of qdio.o and qeth.o in the
> /lib/modules/2.4.19 tree with their locations in another Linux virtual
> machine which is running the 2.4.17 kernel. I move qdio.o and qeth.o to the
> same locations and I got the same errors.
>
> This error only occurs with the new kernel. If I boot with the old kernel
> the nework starts right up.
>
> Is there something I did wrong in the configuration of the new kernel? Where
> should qdio.o and qeth.o be in the /lib/modules/2.4.19 directory tree? What
> did I do wrong?
>
> Any help or insight will be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.
>
>
> Thomas L. Geyer
> Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Phone:(330) 471-2073
> Fax:(330) 471-4034
>
>
>
> **
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>

Re: Another distribution question

[Jon R. Doyle]

Not entirely we think:

LSB does help in the the layout for scripts, like /usr/local/xxx for
sendmail and /etc/init.d etc, but the two main distros we certify Rh adv
srv and SuSE SLES both seemingly will have differences in the near future
in respects to libs, SLES will be taking an approach with NGPT (Next
Generation Posix Threads) an IBM sponsored project, while RH will be going
with another flavor, each differs, one is M:N while the other is 1:1. The
confusion for us now is do we just compile against whatever is in glibc or
do we go back to a port for ea distro and have some advantages?

I believe we willl maintain a single xxx123-LNX.rpm moving forward, LSB
helped us eliminate xxx123-SuSE.rpm and xxx123-RH.rpm, but it reamins to
be seen I think how close the LSB spec will hold Linux distos for ISVs
like us and how well those distros comply. It is not un-common for Os
vendors to "create" new standards, or claim there are new ones and
everybody should do this or that :~)

Regards,

Jon

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On Tue, 26 Nov 2002, David Boyes wrote:

> > Most ISVs IMHO need to protect themselves somewhat on Linux
> > because it is
> > a platform that can have any level of changes applied at the end-user
> > level. Meaning, we know what Solaris level or NT level works
> > through QA
> > processes, but what if somebody calls me and says I am
> > running SuSE SLES
> > with 2.4.18, but I find they have patched the kernel with pre-emptive
> > stuff, or any number of things that seemed interesting in the dev
> > community, or say new glibc, and now Sendmail filters or
> > something are not
> > working correctly. So you see we have to pick certain levels of the
> > platform and QA that and call it "known to work". You find an
> > issue, we
> > can reproduct that internally on the same platform, much more
> > reasonable
> > to keep quality control.
>
> Does the introduction of the LSB and the informal certification scripts
> for LSB 1.x compliance address this at all? I'm thinking that if the
> application is written to be LSB x.y compliant, then it should work and
> be supportable on other LSB x.y compliant platforms, right?
>
> -- db
>

Re: Another distribution question

[Jon R. Doyle]

We do certifiy through normal QA process SuSE SLES, RH Adv Srv for example
on Intel systems, and SuSE SLES on zSeries, this is the commercial
products, and I mention this because the thread started about Oracle from
what I read. Oracle has several levels from what I remember, one called
Validation like here:

http://www.suse.com/en/business/certifications/certified_software/oracle/certified.html

SAP has something similar to the above, I even rememebr one tech doc
telling you to put a SuSE Kernel on top of a Redhat install to be
certified.

Most ISVs IMHO need to protect themselves somewhat on Linux because it is
a platform that can have any level of changes applied at the end-user
level. Meaning, we know what Solaris level or NT level works through QA
processes, but what if somebody calls me and says I am running SuSE SLES
with 2.4.18, but I find they have patched the kernel with pre-emptive
stuff, or any number of things that seemed interesting in the dev
community, or say new glibc, and now Sendmail filters or something are not
working correctly. So you see we have to pick certain levels of the
platform and QA that and call it "known to work". You find an issue, we
can reproduct that internally on the same platform, much more reasonable
to keep quality control.

Most HW vendors also certify against known version levels too, obviously
for driver sakes, in fact I have heard rumour once that Compaq did more QA
of Linux for that very reason than the Linux vendor themselves.

http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/servers/linux/hpLinuxcert-dl.html


Regards,

Jon

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On Tue, 26 Nov 2002, Gregg C Levine wrote:

> Hello from Gregg C Levine
> Something else we need to consider here. Why would each distributor
> actually distribute the freely available version of say, sendmail, and
> not insist on certification for it? John, if it wasn't certified then,
> it sure as taxes is now.
> ---
> Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> "The Force will be with you...Always." Obi-Wan Kenobi
> "Use the Force, Luke."  Obi-Wan Kenobi
> (This company dedicates this E-Mail to General Obi-Wan Kenobi )
> (This company dedicates this E-Mail to Master Yoda )
>
>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of
> > John Summerfield
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 4:10 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] Another distribution question
> >
> > On Tue, 26 Nov 2002, Dave Jousma wrote:
> >
> > > Thanks all for the responses.  For us, this is a chicken and egg
> thing.
> > > We are just testing the waters, so to speak, so we are not ready to
> > > call any vendor(s) to see if they will play in the 390 environment.
> > > You have answered my question, though.  The 3rd party app must
> > > specify z/series or S390 as a platform, and if not, then it is not
> > > compatible(at this time).
> >
> > I know some folk value certification, but I wonder. Some time ago a
> > local business would not run Oracle on Linux "because it's not
> > certified."
> >
> > It was actually available and it ran fine.
> >
> > Take a look at the software you run:
> > Is Samba certified?
> > Is Sendmail/Postfix/Exim?
> >
> > So far as I know, _none_ of the hardware I run Linux on is certified.
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> >
> > Cheers
> > John.
> >
> > Join the "Linux Support by Small Businesses" list at
> > http://mail.computerdatasafe.com.au/mailman/listinfo/lssb
>

Re: how to get to swat

[Jon R. Doyle]

Issue rcinetd restart and point your browser to localhost, on port 901 I
think it says here.

Regards,

Jon


On 11/18/02 12:39 PM, "Noll, Ralph" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> yes all there
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Kittendorf, Craig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>> Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 1:53 PM
>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Subject: Re: how to get to swat
>>
>>
>> Has Samba been started?
>>
>> Do you have
>> swat  901/tcp
>> in /etc/services?
>>
>> And
>>swat  stream  tcp nowait  root   /usr/bin/swat swat
>> In /etc/inetd.conf?
>>
>>  -Original Message-
>> From:   Noll, Ralph [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>> Sent:   Monday, November 18, 2002 12:49 PM
>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Subject:how to get to swat
>>
>> how do i get to swat>>.
>>
>> i am using
>> Linux zvmlinx1 2.4.17-SuSE #1 SMP Thu Feb 28 14:28:29 GMT
>> 2002 s390x unknown
>>
>> i tried my ip 10.60.1.111:901nothing??
>>
>> thanks
>>
>> Ralph Noll
>> Systems Programmer
>> City of Little Rock
>> Phone (501) 371-4884
>> Fax   (501) 371-4712
>> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>
>>
>>\\\|///
>>  \\\ ~ ~ ///
>>   (  @ @  )
>>  ===oOOo=(_)=oOOo===
>>
>

Re: 20g partition

[Jon R. Doyle]

Logical volume Manager

Www.sistina.com


On 11/18/02 11:11 AM, "Abruzzese, Pat" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Mark,
>
> Please explain what LVM means.
>
> Thanks,
>
> P. Abruzzese
>
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Post, Mark K [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>> Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 1:56 PM
>> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Subject:  Re: 20g partition
>>
>> As Adam indicated, LVM is what you need.  But as a word of warning, since
>> you're still running a 2.2 kernel, you will be limited to a _file_ size of
>> 2GB each.  So, if you need any individual file to exceed 2GB in size, you
>> must upgrade to a 2.4 system.
>>
>> Mark Post
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Abruzzese, Pat [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>> Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 12:53 PM
>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Subject: 20g partition
>>
>>
>> I have a user that needs a 20g partition. What steps are needed to add
>> this
>> partition?
>

Re: how to get to swat

[Jon R. Doyle]

Edit inetd.conf and uncomment the lines to allow SWAT to run, be sure inetd
is running, it should be in rc.config as start inetd=yes, you can call it
with "rcinetd start"


Regards,

Jon


On 11/18/02 9:49 AM, "Noll, Ralph" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> how do i get to swat>>.
>
> i am using
> Linux zvmlinx1 2.4.17-SuSE #1 SMP Thu Feb 28 14:28:29 GMT 2002 s390x unknown
>
> i tried my ip 10.60.1.111:901nothing??
>
> thanks
>
> Ralph Noll
> Systems Programmer
> City of Little Rock
> Phone (501) 371-4884
> Fax   (501) 371-4712
> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>  \\\|///
>\\\ ~ ~ ///
> (  @ @  )
> ===oOOo=(_)=oOOo===
>

Re: Reiser file size limit

[Jon R. Doyle]

That has LFS, if you call ReiserFS with -v2

However, I would recommend you grab 2.4.18

Regards,

Jon


On 11/18/02 9:27 AM, "Gustavson, John (ECSS)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> 2.4.7
>
>
> Regards
>
> John Gustavson
> Enterprise Central Software Services (ECSS)
> 570 Washington Street - 2nd floor
> New York, New York, 10080-6802
>
> Telephone: 1-212-647-3793
> Fax: 1-212-647-3321
> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Post, Mark K [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 12:13 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Reiser file size limit
>
> What kernel version are you running?
>
> Mark Post
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Gustavson, John (ECSS) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 12:01 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Reiser file size limit
>
>
> We are running reiserfsprogs 3.x.0k-pre8 of reiser.  Is there a 2 gig file
> size limit?  If so, what can be done to get around the limit?
>
> Regards
>
> John Gustavson
> Enterprise Central Software Services (ECSS)
> 570 Washington Street - 2nd floor
> New York, New York, 10080-6802
>
> Telephone: 1-212-647-3793
> Fax: 1-212-647-3321
> Email:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>

Re: Reiser file size limit

[Jon R. Doyle]

Mkreiserfs -v2 /dev/

The -v2 will call the version that has LFS.

Regards,

Jon


On 11/18/02 9:00 AM, "Gustavson, John (ECSS)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> We are running reiserfsprogs 3.x.0k-pre8 of reiser.  Is there a 2 gig file
> size limit?  If so, what can be done to get around the limit?
>
> Regards
>
> John Gustavson
> Enterprise Central Software Services (ECSS)
> 570 Washington Street - 2nd floor
> New York, New York, 10080-6802
>
> Telephone: 1-212-647-3793
> Fax: 1-212-647-3321
> Email:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>

Re: What to ask RedHat presenters about SuSE on OS/390 vs Redhat?

[Jon R. Doyle]

Read good Marketing John, dig deep and you will see it is "pay me
consulting for ye hack"

Regards,

Jon

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On Mon, 11 Nov 2002, John Summerfield wrote:

> On Mon, 11 Nov 2002 11:31, you wrote:
> > I have too, it is my experience RH is new to the multi-platform
> > capability, but they are not new to marketing, they are great at that, ala
> > M$.
>
> RH has had Alpha and Sparc for years I think in both 32 and 64-bit. Recently
> it's culled some.
>
> I'm slightly puzzled about Power support though, if RH has a contract
> requiring it then I thought there'd be something newer than 7.1.
>
>
>
> --
> Cheers
> John Summerfield
>
>
> Microsoft's most solid OS: http://www.geocities.com/rcwoolley/
> Join the "Linux Support by Small Businesses" list at
> http://mail.computerdatasafe.com.au/mailman/listinfo/lssb
>

Re: What to ask RedHat presenters about SuSE on OS/390 vs Redhat?

[Jon R. Doyle]

Never seen thier Sparc port, wow, I fogot Alpha, and I run one here on my
desk, a Miata, good catch. Right they had a couple revs, last one CPQ had
to pay them to do it. Point being they are great for MKTing, but IMHO SuSE
has them cold on Engineering.

But, case in point, the Alpha, the best technology is not often what
everyone uses :~)

Regards,

Jon



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On Sun, 10 Nov 2002, Alex deVries wrote:

> Jon R. Doyle wrote:
> > I have too, it is my experience RH is new to the multi-platform
> > capability, but they are not new to marketing, they are great at that, ala
> > M$.
> >
>
> I don't think that Red Hat is new to non-IA32 archs at all.  I'm sure
> I'm getting my years wrong, but they did have an Alpha and Sparc port
> throughout the late 1990s.
>
>
> - Alex
>
> --
> Alex deVries
> Principal Architect, Linuxcare Canada, Inc.
> (613) 562 2759
>
> Linuxcare. Simplifying Server Consolidation.
>

Re: What to ask RedHat presenters about SuSE on OS/390 vs Redhat?

[Jon R. Doyle]

>From what I read on the RH site the "other" ports are custom hacks,
supported through thier consulting. I know we have "boxed" kits here
in-house for:

SuSE

i-series
x-series (i386)
z-series
p-series
?-series 64bit

Builds or kits outside IBM

sparc
amd-64 (sledgehammer)
ppc-MAC

I have too, it is my experience RH is new to the multi-platform
capability, but they are not new to marketing, they are great at that, ala
M$.

Regards,

Jon


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On Mon, 11 Nov 2002, John Summerfield wrote:

> On Mon, 11 Nov 2002 07:17, you wrote:
> > SuSE and Red Hat both have a contractual obligation to provide Linux
> > distributions across all of IBM's hardware lines.
>
> How often do you happen to know? The latest I can see at RH's ftp site is:
> ftp> dir 7.2/en/os
> 200 PORT command successful. Consider using PASV.
> 150 Here comes the directory listing.
> drwxr-xr-x6 004096 Jul 15 08:07 i386
> drwxr-xr-x7 004096 Jul 14 17:51 ia64
> drwxr-xr-x6 004096 Sep 13 18:41 s390
> 226 Directory send OK.
> ftp> dir 7.1/en/os
> 200 PORT command successful. Consider using PASV.
> 150 Here comes the directory listing.
> drwxr-xr-x9 004096 Jul 14 06:06 alpha
> drwxr-xr-x6 004096 Jul 15 07:39 i386
> drwxr-xr-x6 004096 Jul 15 07:32 ia64
> drwxr-xr-x5 004096 Sep 23 05:55 ppc
> drwxr-xr-x6 004096 Sep 23 05:52 s390x
> 226 Directory send OK.
>
> --
> Cheers
> John Summerfield
>
>
> Microsoft's most solid OS: http://www.geocities.com/rcwoolley/
> Join the "Linux Support by Small Businesses" list at
> http://mail.computerdatasafe.com.au/mailman/listinfo/lssb
>

Re: file size limit

[Jon R. Doyle]

Need to call reiserFS with version2 that has LFS; issue:

mkreiserfs -v2 /dev/sd

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On Fri, 1 Nov 2002, Abdullah Al-humaid wrote:

> We are tryint to ftp aoracle data file (more than 2GB)
> from the Mainframe to the s390 linux partition (suse
> 7.2) and we get the error "file size limit excedded"
> while ftp'ing. we tried it both ways (put, get). When
> I issued the ulimit -a command it stated the file size
> is unlimited. Any idea what is wrong?
>
> Also, I would like to know how can I search the
> archive of this list?
>
> Thnaks
>
> __
> Do you Yahoo!?
> HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now
> http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/
>

Re: Samba 2.2.6 installs wants lpam

[Jon R. Doyle]

Patch CD has 2.4.17 ReiserFS is an available Journaling FS in either
kernel.

mkreiserfs -vs /dev/sdxx


Regards,

Jon

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On Tue, 22 Oct 2002, Hall, Ken (ECSS) wrote:

> EXT3 support isn't in SLES7.
>
> ext3 requires two components:  Kernel 2.4.15 or above, and e2fsprogs 1.25 or above.  
>SLES7 supplies kernel 2.4.7, and e2fsprogs 1.19.
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Dave Myers [mailto:dave.myers@;twcable.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 2:09 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] Samba 2.2.6 installs wants lpam
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 10/22/2002 10:58:43 AM Mountain Daylight Time,
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> >
> > > Dave,
> > >
> > > I'm a little suspicious of the "lpam" name.  Was the error
> > message actually
> > > referencing "-lpam" ?  If so, that would be just the PAM
> > package.  I'm not
> > > sure what version of SuSE you're on, but the original 7.0 has
> > > pam-0.72-160.s390.rpm which contains /usr/lib/libpam.so.
> > That should have
> > > satisfied the configure script.  The SLES7 packages have
> > PAM broken down
> > > into pam, pam-devel, and pam_devperm.  I would think that
> > libpam.so would
> > > still be in the pam package, but perhaps in pam-devel.
> > >
> > > Mark Post
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > >
> >
> > YEP...that was it...I downloaded and installed pam-devel from
> > ftp site (cd2)
> > and the ./configure worked ok.
> >
> > Another quick questionI just notice that my SUSE SLES7
> > does not seem to
> > have ext3 support.
> > The "man mke2fs" shows no   -j   flag.
> >
> > How do I get ext3 support on my SUSE SLES7 system?
> >
> > Tia
> > Dave
> >
>

Re: Betr.: Re: SuSE or RED HAT

[Jon R. Doyle]

It is like the BSD's, there is a standard, LSB, but will RH and the group
Unitedlinux go along the same road? I think not if I read it correctly,
seems RH thinks they are the standard, same on the United side. It would
be interesting if RH did all the marketing and a group of United whatever
made the product. Since there is not much IP, seems there should be more
of a pool; because what if all the top folks abandoned ship.I remember
the discussions around that AOL/RH rumour were pretty clear what could
happen if a distro was swallowed up, woudl there be anything left?

Regards,

Jon

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On Tue, 1 Oct 2002, Post, Mark K wrote:

> Hmm.  I was hoping that the Linux software developers would have taken the
> LSB and applied it to Linux/390.  I guess I should say I was _expecting_
> that.  There are so few differences between Linux/390 and the others, it
> just seemed to be the sensible thing to do.
>
> Mark Post
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Alan Cox [mailto:alan@;lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 8:41 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Betr.: Re: SuSE or RED HAT
>
>
> On Tue, 2002-10-01 at 23:10, Rich Smrcina wrote:
> > Websphere runs today on SuSE Linux.  I have also heard that Lotus Domino
> will
> > be ported to Linux for S/390, there was no mention that it would be
> > specifically Redhat.  If it was, it would be a grave mistake.
>
> I would agree with that sentiment. Maybe customers need to gently poke
> their IBM reps about a defined LSB base and compatibility test set for
> S/390 Linux, in the same way as the LSB is finally making sensible
> guarantees about a base compatibility for x86
>

Re: Betr.: Re: SuSE or RED HAT

[Jon R. Doyle]

Yes, as typical the MKT FUD usually is the factor, while it is correct
that RH and IBM press about this was made a couple weeks ago SuSE has had
ports for PPC based systems, for some time and just as many press
releases:

http://news.com.com/2110-1001-827608.html?tag=rn

The thing to consider is that ISV and OEMs always go get SuSE to do
the eng work and get it all running, then it gets MKT fluff and press and
sold by RH. So, depends what you want. At least from what I have seen from

AMD (Sledgehammer)
IBM i/p/z Series
Intel 64
Oracle
SAP

In all cases above I have seen when the dust settles RH go gets a PR
release and says "me too!" Probably a good way to _use_ (read how you
want) GPL.

SAP seems to be the last one on the SuSE bandwagon, taking bets on time to
RH partnership/Press?

Regards,

Jon

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On Tue, 1 Oct 2002, Roger Boussen/audax wrote:

> IBM and Redhat have an agreement since 21 september 2002 that
> Redhat will run on al X- I- P- and Z-series
> IBM will port Lotus Notes,Websphere and Tivoli to Redhat
>
> Maybe that helps you to make a choice.
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Roger Boussen
>
>
> business email : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> private  email   : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
> DISCLAIMER:
> 
>
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> Verstrekking aan en gebruik door anderen is niet toegestaan.
> Audax sluit iedere aansprakelijkheid uit die voortvloeit uit elektronische
> verzending.
>
> This e-mail is intended exclusively for the addressee(s), and may not be
> passed on to,
> or made available for use by any person other than the addressee(s).
> Audax rules out any and every liability resulting from any electronic
> transmission.
> 
>
>

Re: Betr.: Re: SuSE or RED HAT

[Jon R. Doyle]

Not grave if you want to PR buzz, remember key is "WILLBE PORTING" OR HAVE
:~)

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On Tue, 1 Oct 2002, Rich Smrcina wrote:

> Websphere runs today on SuSE Linux.  I have also heard that Lotus Domino will
> be ported to Linux for S/390, there was no mention that it would be
> specifically Redhat.  If it was, it would be a grave mistake.
>
> On Tuesday 01 October 2002 04:57 pm, you wrote:
> > IBM and Redhat have an agreement since 21 september 2002 that
> > Redhat will run on al X- I- P- and Z-series
> > IBM will port Lotus Notes,Websphere and Tivoli to Redhat
> >
> > Maybe that helps you to make a choice.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> >
> >
> > Roger Boussen
> >
> >
> > business email : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > private  email   : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> >
> > DISCLAIMER:
> > ***
> >* Deze e-mail is uitsluitend bestemd voor de
> > geadresseerde(n).
> > Verstrekking aan en gebruik door anderen is niet toegestaan.
> > Audax sluit iedere aansprakelijkheid uit die voortvloeit uit elektronische
> > verzending.
> >
> > This e-mail is intended exclusively for the addressee(s), and may not be
> > passed on to,
> > or made available for use by any person other than the addressee(s).
> > Audax rules out any and every liability resulting from any electronic
> > transmission.
> > ***
> >*
>
> --
> Rich Smrcina
> Sytek Services, Inc.
> Milwaukee, WI
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Catch the WAVV!  Stay for Requirements and the Free for All!
> Update your S/390 skills in 4 days for a very reasonable price.
> WAVV 2003 in Winston-Salem, NC.
> April 25-29, 2003
> For details see http://www.wavv.org
>

Re: Linux in the Health Care industry

[Jon R. Doyle]

We did HealthNET on IA Linux.

Regards,

Jon

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On Tue, 24 Sep 2002, Lionel Dyck wrote:

> I have been asked for examples of Linux usage in the health care industry
> (where I work) to help justify it for my management. Can anyone provide
> any references and/or examples?
>
> thx
> 
> Lionel B. Dyck, Systems Software Lead
> Kaiser Permanente Information Technology
> 25 N. Via Monte Ave
> Walnut Creek, Ca 94598
>
> Phone:   (925) 926-5332 (tie line 8/473-5332)
> E-Mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sametime: (use Lotus Notes address)
> AIM:lbdyck
>

Re: Firewall for zSeries Linux?

[Jon R. Doyle]

You might be looking at version 1? If you are on Kernel 2.4, use
SuSEfirewall2 that has ipchains and can get quite extensive. Take a lok at
the security packages here:

www.suse.de/~marc


Regards,

Jon

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On Thu, 12 Sep 2002, David J. Chase wrote:

> I tried to search the archives and was unable to get in and I need the
> information as soon as I can find it so I'm going to ask here and beg
> your indulgence :-)  I am going to use words I don't understand, so
> please try to read into my question if it doesn't make sense :-) :-)
>
> A customer has the SuSE distribution but feels that the default firewall
> doesn't have as many features as they want.  It seems to only do network
> address translation and they are also looking for packet filtering.  Is
> there a commercial firewall program available for Linux for zSeries?
> Is there anything else you can tell me?  I tried searching linuxvm.org
> but couldn't find what I was looking for.
>
> Thanks very much!
> David
>
> --   David J. Chase, zSeries Techline, New York City --
> --IBM - 7th Fl, 590 Madison Ave, NYC, NY  10022  --
> --  212-745-3890 (tieline 243)   --
>

Re: Animosity from the press

[Jon R. Doyle]

We actually disclosed all the internal results on the testing to date with
zSeries. It is available on our Website in response to the recent articles
off linuxworld.com.

It is a tremendous effort I can tell you to do Benchmarking with large mail
(millions of users) environments, all the so called products/parts,
IMAP/POP, MTA, LDAP, Filesystems, Storage, Blasting tools, reporting tools,
on and on. I can say that thanks to the SuSE and IBM engineers we have come
a long way with Linux results on zSeries.

We have made every effort to not be "on the bench with a tone signal" using
real profiles, how many users, checking this or that, size of message, time
during the day to check/send you name it.


Thanks again to Hans Reiser, Chris Mason, Bernd, Hubert Mantel, Andrea
Arcangeli, and the 1/2 dozen members of the IBM Engineering team for the
work.


Regards,

Jon





On 5/26/02 2:54 PM, "Phil Payne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>> Vendor provided comparisons between its own products. Comparisons by
>> Ford between Ford cards don't tell you anything about whether its a
>> Porsche or Bicycle equivalent. And *no* credible mainstream computing
>> journalist will trust a vendor provided benchmark. They've seen enough
>> such material, most of which appears to be compost.
>
> Benchmarketing, as it's known.  I think most results could be verified - but
> they wouldn't be
> much more use. It's always fun to dig into the _exact_ configuration used for
> the 'headline'
> benchmarks - it's usually one that a real user wouldn't dream of installing in
> a thousand
> years.  Exotic front end preprocessors, various bits of error recovery and/or
> transaction
> logging turned
> off - that kind of thing.
>
> --
> Phil Payne
> http://www.isham-research.com
> +44 7785 302 803
> +49 173 6242039
>

Re: #3 from Linuxworld

[Jon R. Doyle]

Anybody that has valid complaints should send them over to the Editor of
the publication. I have found that to be effective in the past.

While it is no crime to be opinionated, objectivity in the press is
something that is the basis for reviews. However, the American press
suffers from this all over the place, not just technology.

Regards,

Jon

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On Thu, 23 May 2002, Dennis G. Wicks wrote:

> ... and last I hope!
>
> The really aggravating thing is that the guy quite
> obviously doesn't know what he is talking/writing
> about. In spite of the feedback he received he still
> has an obvious "Don't bother me with facts. My mind is
> made up!" attitute.
>
> Good riddance!
>
>
>
>
>
> "Jon R. Doyle"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> om>   cc:
> Sent by: LinuxSubject: #3 from Linuxworld
> on 390 Port
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> ARIST.EDU>
>
>
> 05/23/02 02:30
> PM
> Please respond
> to Linux on 390
> Port
>
>
>
>
>
>
> http://www.linuxworld.com/site-stories/2002/0522.mainframelinux.html
>
> Jon R. Doyle
> Sendmail Inc.
> 6425 Christie Ave
> Emeryville, Ca. 94608
>
>
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#3 from Linuxworld

[Jon R. Doyle]

http://www.linuxworld.com/site-stories/2002/0522.mainframelinux.html

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Re: Linux backup software

[Jon R. Doyle]

Well you said Freeware, and the best fit it tar, in fact I think it is
better than some commercial stuff, as long as you do not need so called
"agents" like connectors to Oracle or something for Hot back-up/restore.
You can make some really neat scripts for tar using cron jobs, at jobs,
and even rsync/ssh to do some extensive backup routines. Tar also can be
called to compress and use tape devices.


Regards,

Jon


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On Wed, 22 May 2002, Konkol, Josh wrote:

> We use FDR/Upstream.  It appears to work fine.
>
> Josh
>
> -Original Message-
> From: PAUL WILLIAMSON [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 10:10 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Linux backup software
>
>
> I'm not sure if this will work, but Arkeia is pretty good, and is
> very good at managing tape libraries and such.  It is pretty
> involved, but once you get the hang of it, you'll really like it (IMHO).
>
> http://www.arkeia.com/
>
> Paul
>
> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/22/02 10:33AM >>>
> I apologize if this has been asked before.
> What Linux software is available to perform logical backups of
> Linux S/390 files and directories?
> Ideally we would be looking for 'freeware or shareware' but if you know
> of any commercial ware that would be appreciated also.
> We would be looking for software that can backup on to 3490s and 3480s.
>
> Thanks in advance...Neil
>

Re: Red Hat Sites Extremely Busy

[Jon R. Doyle]

Take a look here for the list of mirrors:

http://www.suse.com/us/support/download/ftp/int_mirrors.html

There is one not listed here that is also fast:

ftp.gwdg.de

Regards,

Jon

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On Tue, 7 May 2002, Jill Grine wrote:

> Does anyone know if the same sites are used to mirror SuSE?  I've been
> trying to access various mirror sites, but getting all kinds of problems.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Rich Smrcina [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 10:30 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Red Hat Sites Extremely Busy
>
>
> RedHat Linux 7.3.
>
> On Tuesday 07 May 2002 09:25 am, you wrote:
> > I've been trying to connect to some/any Red Hat FTP servers/mirrors, and
> > they're all just about saturated.  Has Red Hat made something GA yesterday
> > or today to cause this?
> >
> > Mark Post
>
> --
> Rich Smrcina
> Sytek Services, Inc.
> Milwaukee, WI
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Catch the WAVV!  Stay for Requirements and the Free for All!
> Update your S/390 skills in 4 days for a very reasonable price.
> WAVV 2003 in Winston-Salem, NC.
> April 25-29, 2003
> For details see http://www.wavv.org
>

Re: GFS anyone?

[Jon R. Doyle]

Send a note to [EMAIL PROTECTED] tell him I sent you. I am sure Michael
will be open with you on what they are doing and have done.

GFS and the LVM are great stuff IMHO.

Regards,

Jon

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On Mon, 6 May 2002, Lionel Dyck wrote:

> Is anyone using GFS under z/VM Linux?
>
> 
> Lionel B. Dyck, Systems Software Lead
> Kaiser Permanente Information Technology
> 25 N. Via Monte Ave
> Walnut Creek, Ca 94598
>
> Phone:   (925) 926-5332 (tie line 8/473-5332)
> E-Mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sametime: (use Lotus Notes address)
> AIM:lbdyck
>

Re: Sendmail Perfomance

[Jon R. Doyle]

On Wed, 24 Apr 2002, Alan Cox wrote:

> > used in the Sendmail deployments we do, as the Queues or mailstores can
> > become corrupt, especially with the large Cache on today's controllers.
> > EXT2 does not fsync or dirsync correctly, we had to place patches into
> > 8.12 code base for this problematic issue (people that use EXT2 anyway).
>
> This is incorrect. Ext2 is strictly standards compliant here. Sendmail
> at least used to make totally bogus assumptions about synchronous directory
> updating. I'm suprised that you might not have fixed such code.
> (Perhaps you have - I run exim because I want fast efficient mail
> handling and a human readable configuration)


Whether or not it meets some standards these issues were problematic, and
only on Linux, not BSD with Soft Updates, or the other likely suspects on
Unix AIX etc. Whn I uncovered this, the Opensource group did make fixes
specifically for Linux, it is in the release notes for 8.12 Quite standard
with some mail systems, there are threads on this issue in the SpecBench
area that handles Specmail. This was really when it came to a head for us.
In fact Domino was rejected until they chattr or mounted EXT2 in -sync.
>From my memory when I spoke to Claus and Greg here the ISV being required
to make specific calls to a FS was hard to swallow. However, we did do
this in 8.12

>
> > EXT3 will have the same set of problems, infact I was just doing studies
>
> Also incorrect. See the documentation. Ext3 also follows the posix/sus
> requirements and allows you to select additional ordering guarantees

Humm, if you mean that you can mount EXT3 with options, then yes, but I
rarely find folks that follow the "warning label". If you mean the forced
fsync, yes, that too can be disabled, but I have not read wheter this is
"wise" just saw in places that "you should still run fsync manually at
times". This last area was specific to HA environments.

>
> As to reiserfs being very fast for very small files. It was certainly
> designed to be , and Namesys are smart people.
>
 Yes, smart, Hans just needs better PR for hot technology or maybe RH
should put ReiserFS support in their installer then all the American's
would use it, since we buy and use everything from Software to Wonder
Bread on marketing & perception :~)

Regards,

Jon

Re: Sendmail Perfomance

[Jon R. Doyle]

Robert;

These two articles explain some of the major benefits of ReiserFS. While
these are not too old, the issues raised here have been fixed or resolved
in ReiserFS, specifically the LFS and the Quotas. We have worked
extensivley with ReiserFS here, and have had the good fortune of
collaboration with Hans (Lives here in Oakland, always nice) and Chris
Mason, the Journaling code developer.

While we have not seen the 15 times performace, ReiserFS generally
performs better than anything we have seen on Linux, z or Intel. Any
Journal performance hits are easily taken care of with SSD devices to
relocate the journal, but that is in the most Highest Volume systems, and
would not imagine that to be everyday environments.

The only other issue I can warn of is that non-journaled systems are never
used in the Sendmail deployments we do, as the Queues or mailstores can
become corrupt, especially with the large Cache on today's controllers.
EXT2 does not fsync or dirsync correctly, we had to place patches into
8.12 code base for this problematic issue (people that use EXT2 anyway).

EXT3 will have the same set of problems, infact I was just doing studies
on this today and the 180 fsync, well in this case we were looking at HA
and remounts, not pretty if you have a 500gig datastore that is say 181
days uptime and you switch nodes with a SCSI reset and remount, fsync!


http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-fs.html

http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-fs2.html

Clip in one of the above, keep in mind avg message sizes that are "small":

---SNIP---

Well, that's the theory. But how good is ReiserFS' small file performance
in practice? Amazingly good. In fact, ReiserFS is around eight to fifteen
times faster than ext2 when handling files smaller than one k in size!
Even better, these performance improvements don't come at the expense of
performance for other file types. In general, ReiserFS outperforms ext2 in
nearly every area, but really shines when it comes to handling small
files.

---SNIP---


Regards,

Jon


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On Tue, 23 Apr 2002, Robert Werner wrote:

> Hi Jon,
>
>
> > Significant performance increases will be seen using the ReiserFS for
> > Queues dirs due to the small random file counts. You can find all kinds of
> > info on ReiserFS on the IBM site. The other thing you would really want to
> > investigate is Sendmail 8.12. Yes, Yes, not just another "go to the new
> > rev" 8.10 actually performs better in some cases, 8.12 has this
> > performance plus advantages in the allocation of processes and queue
> > definition. I do know that SuSE builds of 8.12 are available, have not
> > checked right away on zSeries. You can always use source.
> >
> > We have also seen large performance gains on 2.4.18, especially with the
> > SuSE patch from Andrea (VM33).
> >
>
> Up to now I thought that every filesystem with journaling lowers disk
> performance ? The journaling function produces additional CPU load and
> i/o's. So I'm suprised that ReiserFS should be faster than ext2. Let's see
> if I find time to try it out.
>
> I just read the list of new features from sendmail 8.12. Seems that for our
> purpose - a smtp-relay that is mx-backup for several domains - upgrading to
> 8.12.3 could result in much better performance. I think it's worth building
> it on the zSeries.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Robert.
>

Re: Sendmail Perfomance

[Jon R. Doyle]

I think that is when Andrea's work went in to mainline. On SuSE builds it
is there for all platforms. I think some of the -aa tree went into the
mainline, with other pieces from Andrew. I would have to look back over
the 10k lkml entries :~)

You will also see some gains over the stock using .19pre7 that has a lot
of work on ReiserFS done (some specific to Sendmail) as well as more
cleanup from Andrea. You can grab the source at

ftp.suse.de/pub.people/mantel

Regards,

Jon

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On Wed, 24 Apr 2002, John Summerfield wrote:

> [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
> > We have also seen large performance gains on 2.4.18, especially with
> > the SuSE patch from Andrea (VM33).
>
>
> I don't know why, but disk performance improved on several Intel/AMD boxes I use
> by around 30% at 2.4.17.
>
> As measured by hdparm, but bonnie/bonnie++ backed that up on my Athlon system.
>
> --
> Cheers
> John Summerfield
>
> Microsoft's most solid OS: http://www.geocities.com/rcwoolley/
>
> Note: mail delivered to me is deemed to be intended for me, for my disposition.
>
> ==
> If you don't like being told you're wrong,
> be right!
>

Re: How do we get iostat working in SLES7?

[Jon R. Doyle]

Kernel updates from SuSE have the hooks for iostat to give info similar to
Solaris or BSD. This was placed into 2.4.16 and beyond as I recall. This
kernel patch was questionable in the past. The patch is also located on
the web, there is a maintainer in France as I recall. Google it if you do
not have the updated Kernel, but I would recommend that route as there are
several things that went into 2.4.18

You might send a note to bernd or Jens at SuSE to check on updates.


Regards,

Jon

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On Tue, 23 Apr 2002, John P Taylor wrote:

> We are having some problems at the moment geting iostat to output data
> from the partitons defined to the system (e.g iostat -x /dev/dasdb).
> This works OK on Redhat 7.2 and the reason for this seems to be that
> /proc/partitions contains rather more information on RedHat than SLES7.
> We tried applying linux-2.4.0-sard.patch to SLES7:
>
> --- linux/drivers/block/ll_rw_blk.c.~1~ Mon Jul 17 14:53:34 2000
> --- linux/drivers/scsi/scsi_lib.c.~1~   Mon Jul 17 14:53:30 2000
> --- linux/fs/partitions/check.c.~1~ Mon Jul 17 14:53:31 2000
> --- linux/include/linux/blkdev.h.~1~Mon Jul 17 14:53:38 2000
> --- linux/include/linux/genhd.h.~1~ Mon Jul 17 14:53:28 2000
> --- linux/drivers/block/genhd.c.origFri Sep  7 12:05:30 2001
>
> linux/drivers/block/ll_rw_blk.c.~1~ patches cleanly but the others do
> not. Are we going about this the wrong way, is there an alternative
> utility that provides the same level of detail. Any suggestions welome!
>
> John P Taylor
> ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
>

Re: Sendmail Perfomance

[Jon R. Doyle]

Robert;

Significant performance increases will be seen using the ReiserFS for
Queues dirs due to the small random file counts. You can find all kinds of
info on ReiserFS on the IBM site. The other thing you would really want to
investigate is Sendmail 8.12. Yes, Yes, not just another "go to the new
rev" 8.10 actually performs better in some cases, 8.12 has this
performance plus advantages in the allocation of processes and queue
definition. I do know that SuSE builds of 8.12 are available, have not
checked right away on zSeries. You can always use source.

We have also seen large performance gains on 2.4.18, especially with the
SuSE patch from Andrea (VM33).

Regards,

Jon

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On Tue, 23 Apr 2002, Robert Werner wrote:

> Hi Moloko,
>
> We made the experience that you cannot compare the load averages directly
> between Intel an Linux/390. Also the shown load average on our linuxes is
> higher using a 2.4 kernel as with kernel 2.2.x (why?)
>
> But if there's really a problem with the performance on the S390 you have to
> find out where your bottleneck is. On our smtp-relay on the z900 (under VM,
> SuSE7.0 with kernel 2.4.7, sendmail 8.11) the disk performance slowed down
> the system and pushed up the load average. A solution is to attach the disks
> using more channels and to stripe the spool-area over several disks and
> channels with LVM or software Raid0.
>
> Sendmail also slows down if the number of mails in your spooldir gets to
> high. So if you have a huge amount of spooled mails it is better to split
> the spool area in several subdirs with dedicated sendmail instances
> processing the queues.
>
> We also had bad performance with kernel 2.2.x.
>
> Robert.
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Moloko Monyepao" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 3:35 PM
> Subject: Sendmail Perfomance
>
>
> I have sendmail 8.11.6-3 installed on Redhat 7.2 (server installation) on
> S390(Lpar) with an IFL dedicated to this Lpar. We made the  O QueueLA=10 and
> the O RefuseLA=12 which is the same setup as on my Intel machine. When using
> top to check the load the following is what I get. The O
> MaxDaemonChildren=100 on S390 and 300 on Intel.
>
> Intel Machine = The Load average does not go over 10% when setup for both
> incoming and outgoing mail.
>
> S390 Machine = The Load average goes to more than 10% and it start rejecting
> connections if we set it up for both incoming and outgoing mail and it gets
> up to about 6 to 8% if we only set it up for outgoing mail which is not a
> lot.
>
> Please assist
> Moloko
>

SAP on Z

[Jon R. Doyle]

Looks like 64 bit SuSE is already support, is that GA yet?


http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/eserver/zseries/faq/pdf/mysap_on_linuxforz_faq.pdf?t=gr,l=335,p=mySAP


Regards,


Jon

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Re: sendmail error?

[Jon R. Doyle]

Are you using UUCP? What "way" did you do the re-install? Did you build
from source, use a preset mc and m4? Or do you have an RPM?

What is the platform SuSE? If this is the case go into Yast and config.
Sendmail to you needs, there is a section under Admin someplace (Yast is
not in front of me) that has Sendmail config, even an expert menu. Exit
and call SuSEconfig, this will rebuild the cf, restart Sendmail with
rcsendmail restart.

uux BTW calls commands on another host (like rsh rcp) and is part of the
uucp package.


Regards,

Jon



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On Tue, 19 Mar 2002, Marcy Cortes wrote:

> I'm getting this message when I try to send mail from my
> Linux guest.  I swear it was working in the past!  I tried
> uninstalling and reinstalling sendmail and that didn't do
> it.
>
> Mar 19 16:39:26 blue sendmail 2459Y: g2K0dQp02456: SYSERR(marcy): Cannot exec
> /usr/bin/uux: No such file or directory
>
> It's not there.  Where'd it go?
>

Domino support

[Jon R. Doyle]

Funny, this here says "all IBM @server platforms" Should hold them to this
claim :~) Unless they dropped Zseries from the @server line :~)


http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/solutions/collaboration/

Regards,

Jon




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Re: 64bit distributions.

[Jon R. Doyle]

Right to a point, after all it is the technical "people" they employ, like
Andrea, Schwab and others that make the edge possible. THese folks turn
that cde out to public areas under GPL, so , yes, getting the "package"
with Yast and support, whatever, makes the product have a price, but the
technology is different, benefits many.

Regards,

Jon

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On Wed, 27 Feb 2002, Holger Baxmann wrote:

> > Pseries 64. SuSE by far has the technical edge all the time.
>   ^-- commercial
>
> just a rothut :)
>
> bax
>

Re: 64bit distributions.

[Jon R. Doyle]

When i spoke to SuSE in NYC there is a version for iSeries, there is
systems running here for IA64, and there is kernels for Sparc64, and
Pseries 64. SuSE by far has the technical edge all the time.

Regards,

Jon

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On Wed, 27 Feb 2002, Post, Mark K wrote:

> According to http://news.com.com/2100-1001-842633.html:
> "At this moment, we plan to release it officially in late April.  A beta
> version will be available soon,"  confirmed Holger Dyroff, director of
> SuSE's North American sales operation.
>
> Red Hat declined to comment.
>
>
> Mark Post
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Dignus account [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 8:55 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: 64bit distributions.
>
>
> Does anyone have the latest news on 64-bit Linux distributions?  Who is
> doing what and where to download?
>

Re: create an ISO from a CD

[Jon R. Doyle]

man mkisofs for get the switches, but it is quite easy I rememebr, just
tell t the file name somecd.iso and the spot where the files are /files/*

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Jon

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On Wed, 27 Feb 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> How can I make an ISO image from a CD?  I would like to be able to then
> mount that ISO image as loopback device.  That way I don't have to have the
> CD mounted all the time.
>
>
>
> Mark D Pace
> Senior Systems Engineer
> Mainline Information Systems
> 1700 Summit Lake Drive
> Tallahassee, FL. 32311
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Phone: 850-219-5184
> Fax: 850-219-5050
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>

Re: SSHD at boot

[Jon R. Doyle]

Not necessary, just add the variable "YES" in rc.config for START_SSHD=.
This file is located in /etc All lot of options are placed here and the
script SuSEconfig builds everything for you. You can also do this through
YAST with "System Admin" and then "change configuration file" You need to
have the package installed of course. SLES vs the 2.2 kernel seem to
differ on that, meaning it looks like ssh is not installed on 2.2 ver.

Regards,

Jon

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On Tue, 26 Feb 2002, Rengasamy, Samy wrote:

> Create a shell script 'sshd' with the following line
> /sbin/sshd or /actual-path-of-ssh-installed/sshd
> in directory /etc/rc.d
>
> Then create a link S10sshd to /etc/rc.d/sshd at directory /etc/rc.d/rc2.d
>
> Then on reboots, sshd will start running.
>
> This is specific to SuSe. Red Hat may have a different requirement.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Samy Rengasamy.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Christopher W Gibson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 1:34 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: SSHD at boot
>
>
> I am trying to start sshd at boot time.  Currently I can only start it
> manually by:
>
> ./etc/rc.d/init.d/sshd start
>
> Where is it normally initialized at boot?
>
> Thank You,
> 
> Christopher Gibson
>

Re: SSHD at boot

[Jon R. Doyle]

No sure about that, you should read the LSB docs for builds, certainly has
changed. Right, SuSE did place a symlink there for the RH RPM's But
calling this "Standard" is a little far, Solaris and system V are
/etc/init.d But, anybody can make a standard I guess, just have to get
people to follow it is the trick or be a monopoly like Microsoft and
change an RFC because you want to put stupid hooks into it for your own
selfish pleasure, and demand that people use it :~0)

Regards,

Jon


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On Tue, 26 Feb 2002, Rick Troth wrote:

> On Tue, 26 Feb 2002, Jon R. Doyle wrote:
>
> > /etc/rc.d/init.d ? Oh, right that is the runlevels on RH. Solaris, SuSE
> > blah blah use /etc/init.d think that is system 5 or LSB some such
> > standard, not sure why RH adds the other layer.
>
> /etc/rc.d/init.d should be  (as in  "if it is not,  then make it so")
> a sym-link to /etc/init.d,  iff your distro or system uses the latter.
>
> That is,  the standard place people and packages look to find
> INIT scripts is /etc/rc.d/init.d.   Build for,  and train for,
> widest operability and least astonishment.
>

Re: Is one distribution better than another

[Jon R. Doyle]

Depends upon how YOU personally feel about technology vs
peception/marketing. Often the best technology does not win, look around
at Exchange vs GroupWise or Intel and Alpha chips. Windows vs OSX or
Redhat vs SuSE.

Do not remember who told me this, but my favorite line on we American's
buying habits is "reality is our perception" Never forget the line at
midnight on Market Street in San Francisco at the CompUSA to buy WindowsME
:~0 Nobody could tell me exactly WHY they were buying the upgrade, just
that something "in there" had to be had.

Regards,

Jon

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On Tue, 26 Feb 2002, James Johnson wrote:

> Assuming installation and configuration is just a matter of learning
> something new, is there any reason to favor one of the Linux/390
> distributions over the others?
>
> --
> James JohnsonEmail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Systems Programmer   Voice: 660-543-8065
> Central Missouri State UniversityFax:   660-543-8123
>

Re: SSHD at boot

[Jon R. Doyle]

Humm, right, I think the LSB thing might be where this came in, seems I
remember that RH on or around 7.2 started supporting LSB too, I thnk I saw
them talk about this or it was the LSB folks in NY last month at LWE.

Regards,

Jon





On 2/26/02 1:45 PM, "John Summerfield" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>> On SuSE this is placed into /etc/init.d/rc.config as START_SSHD=YES
>>
>> /etc/rc.d/init.d ? Oh, right that is the runlevels on RH. Solaris, SuSE
>> blah blah use /etc/init.d think that is system 5 or LSB some such
>> standard, not sure why RH adds the other layer.
>
>
> So far as you're concerned, RH uses /etc/init.d too. It used to use the other,
> but changed before S/390. There's a bit of symlinkery in some circumstances
> for compatibility with things that understand the old way better.
>
>
>
> --
> Cheers
> John Summerfield
>
> Microsoft's most solid OS: http://www.geocities.com/rcwoolley/
>
> Note: mail delivered to me is deemed to be intended for me, for my
> disposition.
>

Re: SSHD at boot

[Jon R. Doyle]

On SuSE this is placed into /etc/init.d/rc.config as START_SSHD=YES

/etc/rc.d/init.d ? Oh, right that is the runlevels on RH. Solaris, SuSE
blah blah use /etc/init.d think that is system 5 or LSB some such
standard, not sure why RH adds the other layer.

Regards,

Jon

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On Wed, 27 Feb 2002, John Summerfield wrote:

> > I am trying to start sshd at boot time.  Currently I can only start it
> > manually by:
> >
> > ./etc/rc.d/init.d/sshd start
> >
> > Where is it normally initialized at boot?
>
> Red Hat?
> chkconfig --list
> chkconfig sshd on
> man chkconfig
>
> --
> Cheers
> John Summerfield
>
> Microsoft's most solid OS: http://www.geocities.com/rcwoolley/
>
> Note: mail delivered to me is deemed to be intended for me, for my
> disposition.
>

Advanced Server from Redhat no ISO's

[Jon R. Doyle]

Looks like the way Redhat will go is similar to the SuSE model for
"Enterprise Server".

http://news.com.com/2100-1001-823736.html

Regards,

Jon

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Re: RedHat 7.2 and LVM

[Jon R. Doyle]

AFAIK SuSE only ships the Sistina LVM, they do this on most of their
products. I have not seen or heard that RH has LVM capability.


Regards,

Jon

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On Thu, 17 Jan 2002, Coffin Michael C wrote:

> I just did an RPM -q lvm and it said it's not installed, so I looked at the
> installation CD RPMS and SRPMS and didn't find LVM anywhere.  Is LVM not
> distributed with Redhat 7.2 RC2?  Is there an RPM on the RedHat FTP site
> that is suitable for S390 usage?
>
> Michael Coffin, VM Systems Programmer
> Internal Revenue Service - Room 6030
>  Constitution Avenue, N.W.
> Washington, D.C.  20224
>
> Voice: (202) 927-4188   FAX:  (202) 622-6726
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Post, Mark K [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 10:48 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: RedHat 7.2 and LVM
>
>
> It doesn't appear that LVM is a supported option at installation time.
> Since Red Hat 7.2 is using a 2.4 kernel, LVM support should available
> afterwards, but I don't see any kind of "LVM tools" RPM.  That's needed to
> actually manipulate (create, extend, etc.) your LVM volumes.  Perhaps
> someone else can point out which RPM would have those included.
>
> Mark Post
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 9:34 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RedHat 7.2 and LVM
>
>
> Is it possible to use LVM with RedHat 7.2.  It doesn't appear to be an
> option at install time like with SuSE.
>
>
>
> Mark D Pace
> Senior Systems Engineer
> Mainline Information Systems
> 1700 Summit Lake Drive
> Tallahassee, FL. 32311
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Phone: 850-219-5184
> Fax: 850-219-5050
> http://www.mainline.com
>

Re: [Redhat-s390-list] Redhat demo

[Jon R. Doyle]

OK, right, I think there was a long thread on this subject in terms of
SuSE and the "cost" of the Enterprise Server. From my memory of this
thread the reason that SuSE S/390 SLES was more $'s is because it "came"
with a support contract. Unless I am having a synaptic fault seems that
both these companies are doing very similar characteristics with the
product.

Regards,

Jon

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On Sat, 12 Jan 2002, Post, Mark K wrote:

> Jon, Florian, all,
>
> Just to provide another perspective on this (and to assure all the folks at
> Red Hat that they didn't totally botch what they were saying) I took this
> statement to mean what Florian and Bernhard later explained more clearly:
> that if you bought Red Hat Linux/390 that you had to pay for a Red Hat
> Linux/390 support contract also, not that they were the only company capable
> of providing support for Linux/390.
>
> Mark Post
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Jon R. Doyle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 5:14 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [Redhat-s390-list] Redhat demo
>
>
> Hi Florian;
>
> since you have been both at SuSE and now Redhat maybe you can clarify what
> you are saying here for me:
>
> ---SNIP---
>
>  If you buy the product from Red Hat, this is only available together with
> > a support contract where Red Hat helps with the installation as well as
> > later on supporting it if you discover defects.
>
> --SNIP--
>
>
> Does this mean if I -buy- say SuSE they are not able to suport the
> product? What do you mean by "this is only available together with
> > a support contract" I thought we heard here on the list a couple weks
> ago SuSE was offering "Enterprise Server" with suupoort? Is Redhat the
> only vendor out there now that can offer support?
>
> Regards,
>
> Jon
>
>
>
> Cc  : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
> Jon R. Doyle
> Sendmail Inc.
> 6425 Christie Ave
> Emeryville, Ca. 94608
>
>
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>
>
> On Sat, 12 Jan 2002, Florian La Roche wrote:
>
> > On Sat, Jan 12, 2002 at 02:08:09AM -0500, Post, Mark K wrote:
> > > Dave,
> > >
> > > If they've posted the GA code on their FTP server, it should be
> available
> > > for download by anyone.  The fact that they don't have .iso images isn't
> > > particularly relevant or important.  I have not previously heard
> anything
> > > about Red Hat requiring that they do an installation.  Perhaps that is
> only
> > > if you want to purchase a support contract from them.  Even so, that
> would
> > > not prevent you from doing your own installs on another image/system.
> They
> > > just wouldn't be willing to support those installations.  Still, if you
> get
> > > a definite answer, I'd be interested in hearing what it is.  Stuff like
> this
> > > is important, and I would like to make sure it gets on the linuxvm.org
> web
> > > site.
> >
> > Hello Mark Post,
> >
> > your summary is correct and I'll add some personal comments:
> >
> > Red Hat Linux is Open Source and can be downloaded from our ftp-server.
> > If you buy the product from Red Hat, this is only available together with
> > a support contract where Red Hat helps with the installation as well as
> > later on supporting it if you discover defects.
> >
> > Not only the last release is available as Open Source from Red Hat, but
> also
> > newer developments are uploaded as "rawhide" versions to ftp.redhat.com.
> > This allows the development community to try out our newest versions,
> > participate in development if they want to or just give us feedback about
> > the current status. This allows us to provide official bug-fixes and
> errata
> > updates for our last release as well as continuing high-speed development
> > of the next release.
> >
> > In the case of s390 we are facing two areas that are still a bit more
> > under development:
> > - The kernel on s390 needs more stabilization.
> > - The install support for Red Hat Linux needs further improvements. Quite
> >   some good feedback has been given on our product and I think we already
> >   have implemented most of them.
> >
> > We will try to come up with an official update for the kernel and also
> > install support. This should also allow a much easier addition of a
>

Re: [Redhat-s390-list] Redhat demo

[Jon R. Doyle]

OK, but if I bought SuSE and (SLES comes with support) I would not expect
anything from Redhat. You, or Florian rather are just saying that RH has
support, that right? If this is the case it would help to say that you
offer it like SuSE and Turbo, nothing new, it seemed like the message was
saying somehow RH only has support. Redhat is new to zSeries/enterprise
(Itanium,iSeries,pSeries etc). The messae seemed to indicate that it
(Redhat) was capable of something new.



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Jon

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On Sat, 12 Jan 2002, Bernhard Rosenkraenzer wrote:

> On Sat, 12 Jan 2002, Jon R. Doyle wrote:
>
> > ---SNIP---
> >
> >  If you buy the product from Red Hat, this is only available together with
> > > a support contract where Red Hat helps with the installation as well as
> > > later on supporting it if you discover defects.
> >
> > --SNIP--
> >
> >
> > Does this mean if I -buy- say SuSE they are not able to suport the
> > product?
>
> No, it just says that if you buy Red Hat Linux, you'll automatically get a
> support contract.
> Your other option is to download it or use someone else's product and not
> to expect support *from us*.
>
> LLaP
> bero
>
> --
> This message is provided to you under the terms outlined at
> http://www.bero.org/terms.html
>

Re: [Redhat-s390-list] Redhat demo

[Jon R. Doyle]

Hi Florian;

since you have been both at SuSE and now Redhat maybe you can clarify what
you are saying here for me:

---SNIP---

 If you buy the product from Red Hat, this is only available together with
> a support contract where Red Hat helps with the installation as well as
> later on supporting it if you discover defects.

--SNIP--


Does this mean if I -buy- say SuSE they are not able to suport the
product? What do you mean by "this is only available together with
> a support contract" I thought we heard here on the list a couple weks
ago SuSE was offering "Enterprise Server" with suupoort? Is Redhat the
only vendor out there now that can offer support?

Regards,

Jon



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On Sat, 12 Jan 2002, Florian La Roche wrote:

> On Sat, Jan 12, 2002 at 02:08:09AM -0500, Post, Mark K wrote:
> > Dave,
> >
> > If they've posted the GA code on their FTP server, it should be available
> > for download by anyone.  The fact that they don't have .iso images isn't
> > particularly relevant or important.  I have not previously heard anything
> > about Red Hat requiring that they do an installation.  Perhaps that is only
> > if you want to purchase a support contract from them.  Even so, that would
> > not prevent you from doing your own installs on another image/system.  They
> > just wouldn't be willing to support those installations.  Still, if you get
> > a definite answer, I'd be interested in hearing what it is.  Stuff like this
> > is important, and I would like to make sure it gets on the linuxvm.org web
> > site.
>
> Hello Mark Post,
>
> your summary is correct and I'll add some personal comments:
>
> Red Hat Linux is Open Source and can be downloaded from our ftp-server.
> If you buy the product from Red Hat, this is only available together with
> a support contract where Red Hat helps with the installation as well as
> later on supporting it if you discover defects.
>
> Not only the last release is available as Open Source from Red Hat, but also
> newer developments are uploaded as "rawhide" versions to ftp.redhat.com.
> This allows the development community to try out our newest versions,
> participate in development if they want to or just give us feedback about
> the current status. This allows us to provide official bug-fixes and errata
> updates for our last release as well as continuing high-speed development
> of the next release.
>
> In the case of s390 we are facing two areas that are still a bit more
> under development:
> - The kernel on s390 needs more stabilization.
> - The install support for Red Hat Linux needs further improvements. Quite
>   some good feedback has been given on our product and I think we already
>   have implemented most of them.
>
> We will try to come up with an official update for the kernel and also
> install support. This should also allow a much easier addition of a
> "driverdisk" that could allow a real easy way to add OCO modules
> to Red Hat Linux.
>
> cu,
>
> Florian La Roche
>
>
> Florian La Roche Tel.: +49-711-96437-460
> head of development EMEA Tel.: +49-172-6373899
> Red Hat GmbH Fax.: +49-711-96437-111
> Hauptstaetterstr. 58 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> D-70178 Stuttgarthttp://www.redhat.de/
>
> >
> > Mark Post
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 11:30 AM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: [Redhat-s390-list] Redhat demo
> >
> >
> > What are the Redhat ground rules for downloading
> > and demo'ing their latest GA  (i.e. the  ISO images).
> > Is anyone allowed to do this ?
> > Are there any timeframe boundaries for demo'ing ?
> >
> > Also,  we asked for pricing a few weeks back and got some
> > feedback that stated that Redhat MUST do the installation.
> > Is this true?
> >
> > As a consultant (needing to learn the various installation methods)...I'm
> > sure I don't like this !
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Dave
> >
> > ___
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> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-s390-list
> >
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> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-s390-list
>

Re: iPlanet Message Server on z ?

[Jon R. Doyle]

I looked on the IBM site for ports and the Sun site and do not see that
iPlanet is ported. We have ours on zed series of course. We just did Korean
Air and Llbean.

Regards,

Jon



On 12/14/01 9:48 AM, "Gelbard, Sandy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Does anyone happen to know if iPlanet's Message Server runs on z/Linux.
>
> Thanks,
> SG
>