Correction

2004-08-03 Thread Louis Proyect
The other interesting thing going on is the trivialization of the
campaign, with major statements being made about Kerry's donning of a
clean suit at NASA, debunking his mouth-to-mouth resuscitation of a
hamster, etc. I strongly suspect that the corporate media will be going
gung-ho for BUSH in the next few months.
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Re: Query: Ford/General Motors - correction

2004-07-24 Thread Waistline2




In a message dated 7/23/2004 6:35:11 PM Central Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  A per unit drop of labor input of 40% in 30 years is running 
  at an annual improvement factor of more than 10% and what is built into the 
  union contract is an annual improvement factor of 3% increase in wages. The 3% 
  annual improvement factor (AIF) was actually lost during years of 
  concessionary contracts - 1980-1993,  and "re-won" in the mid 1990s. 
  

Correction 
 
10% should be one percent. Contract negotiations took place 
every three years until changed in the late 1990s to a five year contract. 



Correction

2004-07-11 Thread Marvin Gandall
Sorry. Michael Ignatieff. George was his dad, a Canadian diplomat.


Re: Correction

2004-07-01 Thread Carl Remick
From: Michael Pollak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
[See comment at end]
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/07/01/pageoneplus/corrections.html
The New York Times
July 1, 2004
Corrections
... As Eric Umansky of Todays Papers points out, this correction fails to
mention the tiny bit of context that his purported desertion was what that
article was about -- the only thing it was about.
They should create a new section entitled "Retractions."
Michael
Yes, and the NYT needs another new section called "Recalls."  E.g., both the
paper's Thomas L. Friedman and, it would seem, Judith Miller have been
pulled out of production for retooling.
Carl
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Re: Correction

2004-07-01 Thread Michael Perelman
Maybe they could save space by having a small section of the paper reprinting the 
material that did not need
to be retracted.

On Thu, Jul 01, 2004 at 12:54:46PM -0400, Michael Pollak wrote:
>
> They should create a new section entitled "Retractions."
>
> Michael

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Correction

2004-07-01 Thread Michael Pollak
[See comment at end]
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/07/01/pageoneplus/corrections.html
The New York Times
July 1, 2004
Corrections
   A n article yesterday about Cpl. Wassef Ali Hassoun, the American
   marine held by kidnappers in Iraq, quoted incompletely from a comment
   by a cousin of his in Salt Lake City about speculation that the
   corporal might have deserted. The cousin, Tarek Hassoun, said of a
   conversation two months ago with Corporal Hassoun: "He said a lot of
   soldiers, they don't want to die, especially when they see someone
   dying in front of them." When the report from Salt Lake City was added
   to the Baghdad article, this further comment from Tarek Hassoun was
   omitted: "But I'm sure he didn't run away."

As Eric Umansky of Todays Papers points out, this correction fails to
mention the tiny bit of context that his purported desertion was what that
article was about -- the only thing it was about.
They should create a new section entitled "Retractions."
Michael


Re: Chechen relations -- final for today - correction

2004-06-27 Thread Waistline2




In a message dated 6/27/2004 4:50:22 PM Central Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  In other words when the genocidal wars of extermination was 
  launched against the Indians and after their brutal conquest there did not 
  exist a petty bourgeoisie, a bourgeoisie or a proletariat as fundamental class 
  - economic units amongst the various Indian nations. 
   
  Thus the various Indian people are "old nations" or advance 
  national groups or historically evolved people who have not entered the 
  economic development that characterizes modern nations - bourgeois property 
  relations. Lenin is very . . . very clear about this distinction and speak 
  repeatedly of it in his assessment of the national question. 
  

Correction 
 

In other words when the genocidal wars of extermination was 
launched against the Indians and after their brutal conquest there did not exist 
a petty bourgeoisie, a bourgeoisie or a proletariat as fundamental class - 
economic units amongst the various Indian nations. Actually there were no serfs 
to run off into the cities under the impact of industrialization and  . . . 
WAS THERE EVEN A PEASANTRY . . . and did not this clan type society resemble 
much of "Chechnya" - which wasn't really "Chechnya" in 1850? The Indians in 
the main did not even have a sense and conception of property as a bourgeois 
relations. Owning land was like trying to own air . . . it made no social or 
economic sense. Yet these are historically evolved peoples several steps behind 
the economic phenomena called the modern nation. 
 
None of this is stated in a derogatory sense. We are talking 
about an economic curve of development. 
 
Historically evolved people are historically evolved with 
their unique social and cultural attributes but Lenin mean a specific thing when 
he says nation. Lenin is describing economics and Pen-L focus is on economics 
and we need to get with the program. 
 
What is the economic logic of the so-called national movement 
in Chechnya in year 2004? 
 
I'm just aksing a question. 
 
Thus the various Indian people are "old nations" or advance 
national groups or historically evolved people who HAD not entered the 
economic development that characterizes modern nations - bourgeois property 
relations. There are groups of people on earth who had not got to the later 
stages of development of serfdom or feudalism. Lenin is very . . . very clear 
about this economic distinction and speak repeatedly of it in his assessment of 
the national question. That is why he basically said "let us be careful and more 
sensitive." 
 
The Stalin period is there for all to study.  Was not the 
question self determination and the economic logic of the national movements and 
supporting self determination in 2004? 
 
 
Thanks my brother for the correction. 
 
Melvin P. 


Re: Mark Jones Still Among the living (was titled Wrong) - Correction

2004-06-22 Thread Waistline2




In a message dated 6/22/2004 4:41:39 PM Central Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  It gets deeper because Comrade Marx - an unyielding champion 
  against tyrants, advanced a specific proposition concerning what he called the 
  bureaucracy.  After over thirty years engaging the industrial bureaucracy 
  in the flesh - as a way of life, I took exception and called the industrial 
  bureaucracy  . . . the industrial bureaucracy. Mark J did not define the 
  bureaucracy as the industrial bureaucracy proper and this was my disagreement. 
  

Comment
 
The first sentence should read 
 
"It gets deeper because Comrade MARK - an unyielding champion 
against tyrants, advanced a specific proposition concerning what he called the 
bureaucracy. "
 
One concept of democracy has absolutely nothing to do with the 
Marxist presentation of the origin of "needs" and these needs appear as very 
real commodities that serve as the basis of reproduction. 
 
What exactly is being reproduced that serve as the sphere of 
activity in which labor power is sold and purchased? In the realm of theoretical 
Marxism this is called "mediation" - a word I personally hate, because it 
explains nothing. 
 
Everything is wrong in Comrade Mark J presentation of the 
question of the underlying energy grid of a mode of production. Of course no one 
can prove we are hitting the thermo dynamic barrier today because it is not 
provable. On the other hand, anyone can on any given day prove that "something" 
is going to happen tomorrow. 
 
The underlying components of an energy grid that sustains a 
mode of production is extremely important. How an energy infrastructure is 
deployed in the production of material wherewithal deserves critical attention. 

 
Here is where Mark J ran a foul. Consumption ideology and 
"theory" runs rampant in the imperial centers and is no more than an effort to 
protect the way of life of the more prosperous segments of classes in American 
society. We do not have to trade in cars for bicycles. 
 
Is not the question "where are you going in the first place?" 

 
Or NEED. 
 
If you need a car as individual transportation to go to work 
to reproduce the infrastructure that produce cars as individual transportation, 
then this is a property relations. Or what is the same  . . . the 
reproduction of a unique need created as the result of bourgeois property and 
sitting at the basis of reproduction, as the basis of the bourgeois property 
relations that proceed the unique need. 
 
Well . . . actually the automobile is a produce of techology 
and human invention. We are not talking about an abstract car in the real world 
but a commodity who production  . . . reproduces its own effect. 

 
Yes, this is mediation in the Marxist sense but unless one 
specifically defines what they are talking about . . . we are not talking about 
anything. 
 
It is not that society should ride bikes but rather  . . 
. where are you going if you are not going to work to produce commodities that 
reproduce a host of social consequences. 
 
We have arrived at a point in the material power of production 
where a heck of a lot of people do not have to work as we have conceived work. 
Technology has rendered their labor superfluous and we are still struck in old 
categories and rotten bourgeois ideology. 
 
The configuration of our society and earth itself is subject 
to radcial change. 
 
What we face is more intense than in the days of Marx. 

 
It is not that the philosopher's have only conceived the world 
and our task is to change it. We face another question.
 
In what direction do we change the world? 
 
Everyone agree we need change because we are in a brewing 
revolutionary crisis. The reactionaries know the purpose is to change the world. 

 
Finding our place in history is more than a notion. 

 
 
Melvin P. 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


Correction

2004-06-20 Thread sartesian



Wrong URL, sorry
 
http://thewolfatthedoor.blogspot.com
 
It's the simple things that give us the most 
trouble
 


Title correction: Game Theory (Instead of Islam and Democracy: The Lesson from Turkey)

2004-05-17 Thread Sabri Oncu
Game Theory should have been the title of my previous post.

By the way, that I do not like Game Theory has nothing to do with that I am
a Leftist.

But it has a lot to do with that I am an Easterner.

Best,

Sabri


Re: correction

2004-04-11 Thread MICHAEL YATES




I should have written "might not decades of support for imperialism  . . 
by organized labor..."
 
Michael Yates

  - Original Message - 
  From: MICHAEL YATES 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2004 2:55 
PM
  Subject: Re: [PEN-L] Third World 
  Resistance and Western Intellectual Solidarity
  
  
  I think that millions of working people in the US are deeply troubled 
  about the war in Iraq.  But they lack any kind of progressive mindset to 
  give this unease meaning and to guide them to action. Might note decades of 
  support for imperialism (and its attendant racism and belief in the 
  superiority and goodness of the US) have a lot to do with this.  I wish 
  that Petras as well as those who criticize him would begin the engage 
  workers.  Labor education is a good place to start.
   
  Michael Yates
  
- Original Message - 
From: Doug Henwood 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2004 2:39 
PM
Subject: Re: [PEN-L] Third World 
Resistance and Western Intellectual Solidarity
Sabri Oncu wrote:>Max:>>>  
This sort of drivel reminds me why the U.S. left>>  is so 
insulated from political power.  
mbs>>As an outsider who has the chance to observe 
from>within, I don't think this is the reason.>>The 
American left doesn't have anything to offer to>the American people, 
most of whom are working-class.Are you two necessarily contradicting 
each other? Pieces like Petras'don't resonate at all with the U.S. 
working class, whether we like itor not. Neither do sermons about 
overconsumption. But I don't know ifthe leftists who say these sorts of 
things really care about theirlack of an 
  audience.Doug


Re: Mark Jones Was Right/correction

2004-04-11 Thread Waistline2


In a message dated 4/10/2004 7:23:03 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The world sewage system - even in the most modern countries, is configured on the basis of man existing in a pathological condition (embedded with ancient and modern forms of property expressed in our current form and reality of the sum total of our "needs.") If obesity is the number one cause of death in America - and it most is, then we are talking about the people of America having exceeded a "certain limit," even if our present society is not conscious of what this "certain limit" consists. 
 
Gluttony and obesity is not simply wrong diet or more accurately wrong consumption, but embodies the society process called production, consumption and distribution. Each aspect of production, consumption and distibution presupposes each other. In real life this social process is sustained on the basis of an energy infrastructure. The energy infrastructure took shape on the basis of the bourgeois property relations as it creates "needs" including the need that is the energy infrastructure. 
 
The only possible cure for gluttony and obesity is to stop eating - consuming that, which is causing the mass deaths. The question presents itself in its appearance form as a lack of exercise, fatty foods and lazy Americans with too many cars. The appearance form are in fact created "needs." 
 
 Marx "Economic and Philosophic Manuscript of 1844" actually discuss these questions in their theoretical dimensions under the concept of alienation, or the externalization and objectification of social activity - laboring and the evolution of property relations. 
 
Marx does not directly speak to eating and obesity because consumption did not exits as a social question in this form. The form of the social question - consumption in the general sense, was scarcity, which the bourgeoisie controls, or the control of scarcity (the class impulse of bourgeois production) as opposed to the abolition of scarcity. 
 
The question deepens because scarcity is not an abstraction and has for thousands of years been understood on the basis of the "needs" created by a given mode of production. We have entered an era of communist revolution, but not as an abstraction. What faces us in the imperial centers is the contradiction between the mode of production and the social relations that - unbelievably, manifest the control of scarcity as gluttony and "to much of everything" called obesity. 
 
From this point of view the barrier to sustainability (a bad concept in the first place) is the property relations and not the laws of thermodynamics, which operates outside the subjective will of man. Sustainability is a bad concept because it embody the property relations that created much of the needs one is to sustain. A projection based on the needs created on the basis of property means one is within bourgeois ideology and consumption theory. 
 
Not a refusal to acknowledge the inherently finite dimensions of earth or the computations of the geologists, but rather a more sober positioning of all questions in their property form. 
 
The manner in which we think things out embodies the property relations and its various ideological forms, as well as tradition, cultural specificity and force of habit, which in turn embodies property relations. 
 
The issue of the environment is not a question of abstract survival of the species but a property question. The destruction of vast tracts of forest and plant life is not a question of science gone mad, but science under the direction of property - the bourgeoisie as a class. 
 
It seems reasonable to charge various environmentalists with Malthus concepts, in as much as they position the question outside the bounds of property. Henry Ford as personified capital and the automobile in the flesh, is to be charged with criminal concept for humanity and an environmental degradation unprecedented in human history. Our entire transportation infrastructure embodies property relations and not abstract road, streets and highways. 
 
Comrade Mark Jones mentions the environmental destruction within the Soviet Union and states that no one is immune to the laws of thermodynamics. "Socialism is not the answer to sustainability as it is expressed on the basis of thermodynamics" is the basic assertion. What is needed is a different kind of socialism more conscious of nature or more understanding of the law of unknown result. 
 
Absent from Mark Jones assessment is acknowledgment that socialism is a value producing society and a property relations with all its consequences. Further, public property relations in the industrial infrastructure, as it evolves as a transition from agricultural society to industry proper, recreates many of the same needs as an industrial bourgeois society. Industrial society no matter what its property relations is a historically specific mode of production with the property relations within.  
 
That is to say what wa

Correction:

2004-04-10 Thread dmschanoes



"since global warming has accompanied, step for step, increases 
infossil fuel use"
 
should read "has not 
accompanied...
 
Anyway enough about that--  Interested if 
anyone else saw Fuse and/or Vodka Lemon at the Film 
Center/MOMA new directors film festival?
 
I thought they were both great movies.
 
dms 
 
 
 


Title correction

2004-04-05 Thread Sabri Oncu
My previous post went to the list with a wrong title,
because I just hit the reply button to an old message
to save myself from typing the list address.

By the way, I hate to "fight" with people on the net
and I apologize for furthering this "stupid debate" in
a public domain.

Best,

Sabri


Re: Correction

2004-03-13 Thread Craven, Jim
I wrote:

But this story has another implication. As I have said previously, the
perfect crime is "the crime which is not a crime" since then it
considered a crime, and can be prosecuted legally as such.

That should obviously be:

But this story has another implication. As I have said previously, the
perfect crime is "the crime which is not a crime" since then it cannot
be considered a crime, and cannot be prosecuted legally as such.

Jurriaan

As an old saying goes: "The problem is not that the rich break the law;
the problem is that they need not break the law as they are the ones who
make, write and judge it."

Jim C



Correction

2004-03-13 Thread Jurriaan Bendien
I wrote:

But this story has another implication. As I have said previously, the
perfect crime is "the crime which is not a crime" since then it considered a
crime, and can be prosecuted legally as such.

That should obviously be:

But this story has another implication. As I have said previously, the
perfect crime is "the crime which is not a crime" since then it cannot be
considered a
crime, and cannot be prosecuted legally as such.

Jurriaan


Re: Critique of the Brookings Institute - correction

2004-02-28 Thread Jurriaan Bendien
Chris comments: > BTW [the author, John Dolan] not Russian; he's a US
citizen who taught English in Auckland, NZ, for several years and then
relocated to Moscow. His wife is a New Zealander.

J.


Correction/addition

2004-01-30 Thread Jurriaan Bendien
I wrote:

Total federal employees  1.8 (domestic & overseas)

Should be:  not "1.8" but "1.8 million".

Because US capitalist society is a competitive society based on business and
government secrets, rivalry and lack of nationwide coordination or planning
in most fields (i.e. the "closed-off society" model where you need homeland
security), there is also a proliferation of statistical surveys and data
sources using different categories to quantify the same type of phenomena -
and not one integrated system, based on nationwide standard classifications,
permitting a "data warehouse" that permits all analyses that anybody might
like to do. There is a certain amount of overlap in classifications, between
different surveys, but also divergences in the survey instruments used.

The advantage of that reality is that you can get different angles on the
same subject, such that one survey might correct the limits of another. Say
that, for example you want to measure a flow of funds collected by the
government, and redistributed by the government to citizens, let's say, some
kind of social assistance benefit. First all, a worker might authorise the
employer to deduct that money from his wage and pay it, and receives a
confirmation that it has been deducted in his paycheck. On his tax form, he
will declare what he has paid. The employer pays the money from an account.
Then the federal government collects it as income. The government places the
money in an account. The government charges administration costs. Then the
account managers allocate the money to a specific budget. That budget has
again got an account. Then the funds are authorised to be spent.  Then the
federal government transfers funds to the state government. Then it's
federal expenditure and state income. The state government then puts the
money into an account, and allocates it to a budget, charging administration
costs.   The money is then authorised to be spent for the designated
purpose. Then it is authorised to be spent on a specific person who is
eligible to receive it. Then it is transferred to a private back account.
The state records an expenditure, and the bank account records an income.
The bank charges an administration cost. Then somebody from a household
records that that money as an income. Then th person uplifts the money. Then
that income is again declared for tax purposes. Finally, the money is spent
again to buy a designated good or service priced by the supplier. The
supplier receives the money, and places it in an account. The economist then
calls this "the market" (it doesn't really matter whether we're taling about
a corporation or a government, the principle of the thing is the same).

Clearly then, as a statistician, you could attempt to survey that financial
flow at dozens of different points, using administrative, personal,
household, financial, bank and commercial records and accounting statements.
In addition, you could also use data on other associated financial flows, to
estimate the magnitude of this flow, because you know it must be within a
certain range, within certain limits. If you started out with 1,000 dollars,
then you cannot end up with a million dollars or 10 dollars in most cases,
unless there is some very creative accounting occurring, a bit of "magic".
Or, you could utilise surveys already collected previously for estimation
purposes.  This insight is sometimes used in the investigation of frauds and
corruption: by tracing a financial flow through and cross-referencing, we
can discover whether money suddenly "disappears" or "mysteriously appears"
out of nowhere. The problem with a system which relies on buying and selling
for its morality is that the number of transactions is so great that it is
almost impossible to verify all transactions. To secure a money-price
morality is impossible, all you can really to is trust in God and hope for
the best. It's not that the information is not there, it is rather the
quantity of information and the fact that money in circulation can be used
in transactions which escape accounting scrutiny.

The disadvantage of many different types of information records and
statistical surveys on the same phenomenon is, that it is frequently
difficult to get believable data, you really have to compare different data
sets on the same topic with respect to concepts and methods, in order to
assess the accuracy, validity and relevance of statistical descriptions. For
that purpose, you need to know a lot about the available information, and
cross-check different observations of the same thing. This is not
necessarily an argument about data quality, but an argument about the
validity and relevance of statistical descriptions. A statistician may
conscientiously seek to obtain the best measurements possible, but because
of the conceptualisation of his measurement units, he may still miss
something. He requires good qualitative knowledge, before he can obtain good
quantitative knowledge.

Obvio

Re: USA: overtime pay redux: correction

2004-01-02 Thread DMS
Excuse the error, please, 10 million not 20 million.

For more check:

http://www.epinet.org/newsroom/embargoed/bp-flsa-e.pdf

dms


Re: Correction and the "others" on unequal exchange.

2003-12-20 Thread Jurriaan Bendien
My apologies, it slipped my mind. I cannot remember everything. Yes, I agree
Samir Amin's writing are also very important. He is really one of the few
people considering unequal exchange theoretically and empirically in recent
years.

J.

- Original Message -
From: "E. Ahmet Tonak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2003 8:33 PM
Subject: [PEN-L] Correction and the "others" on unequal exchange.


> The following reference in Jurriaan's message on unequal exchange does
> not exist.  The only article Anwar wrote for that book was the one on
> transformation problem.  However, the revised version of the Science and
> Society articles on international trade and unequal exchange was later
> published in an edited book by E. Nell, Growth, Profits and Property :
> Essays in the Revival of Political Economy.  Being from the "East," I
> would also recommend Samir Amin's and many Indian Marxists' writings on
> unequal exchange.
>
> Anwar Shaikh, ""The theory of international exchange", article in Jesse
> Schwartz, "The Subtle Anatomy of Capitalism"
>
> Ahmet Tonak
>
> Jurriaan Bendien wrote:
>
> > I wrote:
> >
> > "In the meantime, wise men which consult about how to continue the
system of
> > exploitation for the long haul."
> >
> > It should be:
> >
> > "In the meantime, wise men will consult about how to continue the system
of
> > exploitation for the long haul."
> >
> > J.
> >
> >
>
>
>


Correction and the "others" on unequal exchange.

2003-12-20 Thread E. Ahmet Tonak
The following reference in Jurriaan's message on unequal exchange does
not exist.  The only article Anwar wrote for that book was the one on
transformation problem.  However, the revised version of the Science and
Society articles on international trade and unequal exchange was later
published in an edited book by E. Nell, Growth, Profits and Property :
Essays in the Revival of Political Economy.  Being from the "East," I
would also recommend Samir Amin's and many Indian Marxists' writings on
unequal exchange.
Anwar Shaikh, ""The theory of international exchange", article in Jesse
Schwartz, "The Subtle Anatomy of Capitalism"
Ahmet Tonak

Jurriaan Bendien wrote:

I wrote:

"In the meantime, wise men which consult about how to continue the system of
exploitation for the long haul."
It should be:

"In the meantime, wise men will consult about how to continue the system of
exploitation for the long haul."
J.




Correction

2003-12-20 Thread Jurriaan Bendien
I wrote:

"In the meantime, wise men which consult about how to continue the system of
exploitation for the long haul."

It should be:

"In the meantime, wise men will consult about how to continue the system of
exploitation for the long haul."

J.


Power Trip correction

2003-12-18 Thread Louis Proyect
"Power Trip" website: http://www.powertripthemovie.com


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Correction

2003-12-17 Thread Jurriaan Bendien
I quoted Powell as follows:

"His On War, written 106 years before I was born, was light a beam of light
from the
past, still illuminating present-day military quandaries".

That should be "like a beam of light". I ought to spellcheck the message
before I send it I suppose.

J.


correction on radio product

2003-12-15 Thread Doug Henwood
Apologies on the mischaracterization of Robert Pollin's topic - it's
the 1990s boom and after, not the Bush revolution in foreign policy
.
Doug


Re: Correction

2003-12-14 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 12/14/03 7:25:48 PM Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

>The Fidel Castro article I referred to was actually by Fernando Morais, in
Penthouse, December 1978 issue (a collector's item these days). Tad Szulc
wrote mainly on American subversion of foreign governments as I recall,
although he later also published a biography of Castro.<

Comment

Somewhere in the twisted corners of my mind are several articles by Tad Szulc
on oil and the politics of oil from the mid and late 1970s. What every
happened to this guy? I think his material ran in Penthouse or perhaps Playboy.

Melvin P.

Melvin P.


Re: Correction

2003-12-14 Thread joanna bujes
Castro has a great sense of humor and gives great interviews. In one of
the interviews you mention, he is asked whether there could be a
socialist revolution in the U.S. He denies the possibility citing the
undermining power of advertising on Americans' ability to desire
something (for example, social revolution) and pursue unswervingly. "How
can they?" I remember him asking, "When they are being told every five
minutes that they want something else, and something else..."
Joanna

Jurriaan Bendien wrote:

The Fidel Castro article I referred to was actually by Fernando Morais, in
Penthouse, December 1978 issue (a collector's item these days). Tad Szulc
wrote mainly on American subversion of foreign governments as I recall,
although he later also published a biography of Castro. Oui magazine also
featured an interview with Castro in January 1975. Playboy published an
interview with Castro by Lee Lockwood (pseud.) in January 1967 and again in
August 1985. Here's an excerpt from  the 1985 interview:
PLAYBOY: Let's end on a note of imagination. Here is something truly
wonderful from your point of view: Suppose the U.S. canceled Latin America's
foreign debt, as you propose, and offered substantial aid to boot - in other
words, offered to treat the hemisphere with the fairness you think it
deserves. What would you do then? Reassess your views?
CASTRO: If the United States were to spontaneously do what you say - if such
an inherently selfish, neocolonialist system were capable of that generosity
- a real miracle would have taken place, and I would have to start
meditating
on that phenomenon. I might even have to consult some theologians and revise
some of my opinions in that field. If that were to happen, I might even
enter a monastery.
:-)

Jurriaan






Correction

2003-12-14 Thread Jurriaan Bendien
The Fidel Castro article I referred to was actually by Fernando Morais, in
Penthouse, December 1978 issue (a collector's item these days). Tad Szulc
wrote mainly on American subversion of foreign governments as I recall,
although he later also published a biography of Castro. Oui magazine also
featured an interview with Castro in January 1975. Playboy published an
interview with Castro by Lee Lockwood (pseud.) in January 1967 and again in
August 1985. Here's an excerpt from  the 1985 interview:
PLAYBOY: Let's end on a note of imagination. Here is something truly
wonderful from your point of view: Suppose the U.S. canceled Latin America's
foreign debt, as you propose, and offered substantial aid to boot - in other
words, offered to treat the hemisphere with the fairness you think it
deserves. What would you do then? Reassess your views?
CASTRO: If the United States were to spontaneously do what you say - if such
an inherently selfish, neocolonialist system were capable of that generosity
- a real miracle would have taken place, and I would have to start
meditating
on that phenomenon. I might even have to consult some theologians and revise
some of my opinions in that field. If that were to happen, I might even
enter a monastery.

:-)

Jurriaan


Correction

2003-12-11 Thread Jurriaan Bendien
Typo. A bit blurry I guess. I wrote:

Anthropology texts from the early twentieth century detail
how among the Ashanti of Ghana, and in Afghanistan, an adulteress was
chastised by the serving of her nose,

"serving" should be "severing".

J.


Title correction: Re: Estimating the surplus - Turkey (Cem Somel)

2003-12-04 Thread Sabri Oncu
The above should have been the title of my previous
post.

Sabri


Correction/addition

2003-12-04 Thread Jurriaan Bendien
I wrote:

...future exploitation is best left to specialists.

That should of course be ...future exploitation is best left to specialists,
and what the specialists actually do, should be shrouded in ultimate
mystery, authority must have its mystique. For example, a war is fought in
Iraq. Why is this war being fought then ? Is it about oil ? Is it about the
defence of the West ? Is it about an evil dictator ? Is it about something
else ? Do we know why the war is being fought ? Is the war worth it ? Great
terms of debate, great new detective story. In this regard, you're better of
reading the words of Goldstein in Orwell's novel 1984: there must be a war,
because it's class society, it's capitalism, it's bourgeois society, it's
imperialism, and if you want to live you life in peace, you ought to be an
artist or something - until art gets attacked, and soft eggs end up in the
Hilton Hotel, and Herman Brood commits suicide by throwing himself out of
the top of the Hilton Hotel. If all we are saying is "give peace a chance",
we are gambling with the future, because while we're being peaceful, we're
being attacked. There's the limits of Capital, and then there's human
limits.

J.


Correction

2003-12-03 Thread Jurriaan Bendien
(K-K')/K should be (K'-K)/K. Typo, I didn't put the dash in correctly
(obviously this refers to the rate of accumulation expressed as the growth
in the value of the capital stock in real terms, rather than the rate of
reinvestment of realised surplus-value, and not the nelimination of the Klux
Klux Klan).

J.


Re: Rates of profit - correction

2003-11-24 Thread Jurriaan Bendien
I wrote:

Your RP is an average "value" RP pertaining to the sphere of
production only, but quantitatively its magnitude depends a lot on the
definition of (Uf) (whether it enters in the nominator or denominator, since
if it does not enter in the denominator, it enters into the nominator; an
increase in Uf depresses ).

It should be: "an increase in Uf reduces V and increases S, and therefore
independently raises the value RP".

J.


Re: The Soviet Union and high technology: Correction

2003-11-17 Thread Renato Pompeu



I thing that planning is possible nationally for agriculture, industry and 
the services, but planning the technological progress is possible only globally. 
Technology progress means unemployment, and that was not acceptable in the 
Soviet Union, so the bureaucracy waited for a stability in technological 
progress to introduce it without unemployment, but the stability never came. All 
Soviet planning was based on the old paradigm of petroleum, electricity, fordism 
and taylorism. It could not introduce the new techologies without generating 
unemployment in the civilian sectors, since technologies were always changing. 
The abolition of whole employment destroyed the popularity of the Soviet 
system.
Renato Pompeu

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  high technology: Correction
  Should read:Planning IS NOT a property relation and 
  socialism as a political form of property, means reproduction outside of 
  the law system that compels private capital to follow a circuit of 
  profitability. 


Re: The Soviet Union and high technology: Correction

2003-11-17 Thread Waistline2

>Planning as a property relation and socialism is a political form of property, means reproduction outside of the law system that compels private capital to follow a circuit of profitability.

Correction - Rosa Luxemburg piece

2003-11-15 Thread Jurriaan Bendien
I wrote:

If the monetary system were to break down
radically, as has happened at various intervals in history, then simple
reproduction can still occur through barter and countertrade, all that
really happens, is that new terms of exchange are established, and some
people are relieved of their property while others, possessing products in
high demand, appropriate more property; but there will still be an equal
relationship between propertied and propertyless people.

That should of course be, an "unequal relationship".

I also wrote:

Rather, the equilibrium problem refers to the conditions for the simple and
expanded
reproduction of the total capital of society, and it is through this, that
the mystery of how a society based on a universal market is resolved.

That should be: the mystery of how a society based on a universal market can
exist is resolved.

I am thinking now I need a proofreader...

Jurriaan


Quick overview statistics - correction

2003-11-09 Thread Jurriaan Bendien
In the list of corporations I cited, two spelling errors slipped in:

Randstand Detache - 254,000
KNP Telecom -38,000

"Randstand" should be "Randstad", this is a corporation which hires out
detache's and temporary workers to other companies. "KNP Telecom" should be
KPN Telecom". The original state-owned Dutch Postal Services (PTT) which
operated the Postbank, the telephone network, and postal delivery services
were privatised - the bank is now owned by ING Bank, the Telecom services
are a separate corporation, and the postal delivery services are owned by
TNT. The shares in KPN Telecom were initially very profitable, and I met a
young guy once who said he'd made enough money from trading in Telecom
shares, using borrowed money, that he never had to work again. As you can
see from the list, just the top four corporations employ just under a
million workers within Holland. Actually, just a few large corporations
account for the bulk of the value of exports as well.

J.


Correction

2003-11-08 Thread Jurriaan Bendien
I wrote:

His [i.e. Marx's] discussion of the capitalist production process and its
social relations on the assumption of unequal exchange, is intended to
reveal precisely that
which the observable surface appearance of the competitive market hides or
inverts, and cannot reveal.

Typo, That should be "equal exchange", not "unequal exchange", i.e. Marx
basically assumes a regulating price proportional to labour-time as a
simplifying abstraction, while noting that capital can only be understood as
a moving totality.

J.


Correction

2003-10-31 Thread Jurriaan Bendien
I wrote:

But I know what you are talking about, because in 1991 my landlord caught me
reading Marx and said to be "Yeah, I knew a Marxist once and he was
constantly drunk and unhappy".

"1991" should be 1981 - typo.

J


Correction

2003-09-19 Thread Jurriaan Bendien
I wrote:

6. THE PRIVATE DEBT: FOUR-FIFTHS OF GDP

That should be:

6. THE TOTAL FOREIGN DEBT: FOUR FIFTHS OF GDP

(I am still working on the foreign private debt issue)

J.


Correction to cost/benefit

2003-09-01 Thread Jurriaan Bendien
I wrote:

The United States accounts for more than half the total value of arms
transfer agreements with the Near East during the 1993-2000 period,
somewhere around US$55.

That should be:

US$55 billion (this is a guesstimate indicating the order of magnitude, not
a precise figure, but somewhere around 50 billion dollars anyway).

I wrote:

 7.2 preschool kids could attend headstart programmes, That should be:

That should be:

7.2 million preschool kids.

Actually those figures are different now.  We are getting much closer to
that magic US$72 billion cost figure to the Untyed States for the war. I
believe this figure is understated anyhow, because it covers only military
costs and not a number of associated government costs. I haven't even talked
about British costs and the costs of other governments involved in the war.
About that I will try to write some other time.

Jurriaan


Correction

2003-08-19 Thread Jurriaan Bendien
I wrote:

Raymond Williams notes, was to go to Spain to "gather materials for
newspaper articles" (op. cit., p. 316; the reference is to Collected
Essays, Volume 1, p. 316).

Should be:

Raymond Williams notes, was to go to Spain to "gather materials for
newspaper articles" (Williams, op. cit., p. 54; the reference is to Orwell's
Collected Essays, Volume 1, p. 316).


Correction to correction

2003-08-14 Thread Jurriaan Bendien
Jeez, I'm losing it. I wrote:

See for instance her essay "Stagnation and Progress of Marxism" (1903),
first published in 1927 by David Riazanov,
the original director of the Marx-Engels Institute founded in 1920 in
Moscow.

Should be:

See for instance her essay "Stagnation and Progress of Marxism" (1903),
first published in English in 1927 by David Riazanov, the original director
of the Marx-Engels Institute founded in 1920 in Moscow.

J.


Correction - Rosa Luxemburg and bookreading

2003-08-06 Thread Jurriaan Bendien
In a previous mail about the use of books, I wrote:

"Rosa Luxemburg, Isaac Deutscher and Ernest Mandel all remarked upon the
fact, that even among selfstyled Marxists in the 1920s, Marx's magnum opus
had mostly not been read beyond the first volume or extracts thereof."

In fact, Rosa lived from 1871 to January 15, 1919, when she was murdered by
the Freikorps. Therefore she could not have commented on Marxist
intellectual activity in the 1920s, and I was wrong there. Nevertheless, she
did make a point along these lines. See for instance her essay "Stagnation
and Progress of Marxism" (1903), first published in 1927 by David Riazanov,
the original director of the Marx-Engels Institute founded in 1920 in
Moscow.

Specifically, Rosa says:

"The third volume of Capital, with its solution of the problem of the rate
of profit (the basic problem of Marxist economics), did not appear till
1894. But in Germany, as in all other lands, agitation had been carried on
with the aid of the unfinished material contained in the first volume; the
Marxist doctrine had been popularised and had found acceptance upon the
basis of this first volume alone; the success of the incomplete Marxist
theory had been phenomenal; and no one had been aware that there was any gap
in the teaching. Furthermore, when the third volume finally saw the light,
whilst to begin with it attracted some attention in the restricted circles
of the experts, and aroused here a certain amount of comment - as far as the
socialist movement as a whole was concerned, the new volume made practically
no impression in the wide regions where the ideas expounded in the original
book had become dominant. The theoretical conclusions of volume 3 have not
hitherto evoked any attempt at popularisation, nor have they secured wide
diffusion. On the contrary, even among the social democrats we sometimes
hear, nowadays, re-echoes of the "disappointment" with the third volume of
Capital which is so frequently voiced by bourgeois economists - and thus
these social democrats merely show how fully they had accepted the
"incomplete" exposition of the theory of value presented in the first
volume. How can we account for so remarkable a phenomenon? Shaw, who (to
quote his own expression) is fond of "sniggering" at others, may have good
reasons here, for making fun of the whole socialist movement, insofar as it
is grounded upon Marx! But if he were to do this, he would be "sniggering"
at a very serious manifestation of our social life. The strange fate of the
second and third volumes of Capital is conclusive evidence as to the general
destiny of theoretical research in our movement. From the scientific
standpoint, the third volume of Capital must, no doubt, be primarily
regarded as the completion of Marx's critique of capitalism.Without this
third volume, we cannot understand, either the actually dominant law of the
rate of profit; or the splitting up of surplus value into profit, interest,
and rent; or the working of the law of value within the field of
competition. But, and this is the main point, all these problems, however
important from the outlook of the pure theory, are comparatively unimportant
from the practical outlook of the class war. As far as the class war is
concerned, the fundamental theoretical problem is the origin of surplus
value, that is, the scientific explanation of exploitation; together with
the elucidation of the tendencies toward the socialisation of the process of
production, that is, the scientific explanation of the objective groundwork
of the socialist revolution. Both these problems are solved in the first
volume of Capital, which deduces the "expropriation of the expropriators" as
the inevitable and ultimate result of the production of surplus value and of
the progressive concentration of capital. Therewith, as far as theory is
concerned, the essential need of the labour movement is satisfied. The
workers, being actively engaged in the class war, have no direct interest in
the question of how surplus value is distributed among the respective groups
of exploiters; or in the question of how, in the course of this
distribution, competition brings about rearrangements of production. That is
why, for socialists in general, the third volume of Capital remains an
unread book. But, in our movement, what applies to Marx's economic doctrines
applies to theoretical research in general. It is pure illusion to suppose
that the working class, in its upward striving, can of its own accord become
immeasurably creative in the theoretical domain."

Source: http://www.redflag.org.uk/frontline/one/rosa.html


Terrorism futures markets - correction and addition

2003-07-31 Thread Jurriaan Bendien
I wrote:

However, this is a reactive, after-the-fact morality, based on
extrapolations which have already occurred

That should be:

However, this is a reactive, after-the-fact morality, based on
extrapolations from events which have already occurred...

It could of course be the case, that a model has already been built and
tested, allowing previous extrapolations to be fine tuned, in which case the
extrapolations have already occurred.

The "pro" argument concludes:

"We desperately need better ways to forecast political instability, and the
Policy Analysis Market had significant promise."

Does anybody know of research which suggests the effect of publicized
assessments of political instability on the actual level of political
instability ? Interestingly, the variables mentioned, "mass demonstrations,
unemployment levels, arrests, assassination attempts" could be integrated
quite easily into a more comprehensive, intelligent Marxian explanation,
which, unlike empiricist econometrics or psephology, offers a systematic set
of theoretical concepts to analyse these phenomena.

A good basic indicator of political instability would, presumably, be an
increase in expenditure on small arms and military weaponry and equipment,
but the question then arises, is this increase in expenditure and its result
a cause, or a consequence of, political instability ? This is not a silly
question, in view of the post-war "arms race" between the USA and the Soviet
Bloc.
This is the basic problem with empiricism, it seeks to infer determinate
relationships from observed correlations, without a clear connection to
theory specifying causal relationships.

Another problem with arguments based on probabilistic correlations is that
the variables and their relationships are relatively fixed. This may be no
major problem in regard to some price data, price index data and population
data, but as regards political event and political process data, cause and
effect could be reversed, it would require dialectical theory to understand
this. One way this problem was addressed in the past, from memory at MIT,
was by tracking a very large number of indicator variables in one model or
set of models. The problem with that is, that the number of possible
linkages between variables becomes very great, and some theory is then
required to interpret the data, but what sort of theory is this ?

Reference: Taylor, C. L. and D. A. Jodice. 1982. World Handbook of Political
and Social Indicators. New Haven, CT.: Yale University Press.

Jurriaan


Correction

2003-07-03 Thread Jurriaan Bendien
Actually, my sister didn't work for a Fletcher Challenge company in
Christchurch, but rather for a Brierley Investments company, a bookstore
called Whitcoulls, originally Whitcombe & Tombs.

Brierley was an authorative expert in the rationalisation of capital in New
Zealand. His method of primitive accumulation from 1961 was relatively
straightforward: he would initially buy up sleepy, undervalued companies in
New Zealand and then revamp them, or else strip the assets, and then sell
again, or sometimes he would continue to operate them, but at a higher
profitability. This strategy really worked, he became really adept at
stockmarket transactions, he knew the NZ economy like the back of his hand,
and his empire grew enormous when the Fourth Labour Government deregulated
and privatised the economy in the second half of the 1980s. Brierley
International Ltd shifted its primary listing to Singapore in 2000.

When I worked as research assistant in sociology in 1985, I spent a long
time tracing out all of the different Brierley holdings, there was a whole
web of subsidiaries and associated companies in the empire. The number of
interlocking directorates became so great, that all the key "captains of
industry" in New Zealand (population three and a half million) could be
fitted into one room. Ernest Mandel had done something similar in Belgium,
presenting a report on "Holdings and economic democracy" to the Belgian
Trade Union Federation in the 1950s, but obviously the phenomenon of
investment companies was not a uniquely Belgian phenomenon.

As I have a lot to prepare, and as I am making errors in what I write, I
will sign off for now.

J.


One more correction - Directors

2003-07-03 Thread Jurriaan Bendien
I referred to non-profit local government work, that is obviously a wrong
formulation, since many local government functions are privatised,
semi-privatised or contracted out to private enterprise. It is just that
where I worked, it was mainly non-profit.

Local government agencies often have low social status, but when people no
longer get the public services they take for granted (as if they had arrived
naturally in the built environment, for people to use, consume and exploit),
they start to scream and yell and suddenly rediscover social
interdependence.

I gather it is a real issue now in New York as well, reflecting the trend to
privatise relentlessly, then running into budget problems, and then trying
in various ways to recover incomes through various tax hikes.

J.


Havana conference CORRECTION

2002-12-30 Thread Bill Burgess
Apologies, important sections were somehow excluded from the text that was 
previously forwarded:


International Conference  The work of Karl Marx and challenges for the 
XXI Century - Second Call for Papers


The Institute of Philosophy of the Ministry of Science, Technology and 
Environment of Cuba is organizing the International Conference on “The 
work of Karl Marx and challenges for the XXI Century “ which will take 
place  in Havana,  Cuba, from May 5 to May 8, 2003 at the Conference 
Rooms of the Cuban Workers’ Labour Union (Central de Trabajadores de Cuba).

This important event has the auspices of:

Cuban Association to the United Nations
The National Association of Economists and Accountants of Cuba, ANEC
The Cuban Workers Labour Union/Central de Trabajadores de Cuba
Ministry of Economy and Planning  The Juan F. Noyal Centre for Economic 
Studies and Planning
The Council for Social Sciences of the Ministry of Science, Technology 
and Environment  CITMA
The Directorate for Marxism and Leninism  Ministry of Higher Education
Faculty of Philosophy and History  University of Havana
Higher Institute of Art ISA of the Ministry of Culture
Cuban Society for Philosophic Enquiry
Economic Society of Friends of the Country
Popular University of the Mothers of the Plaza of May, Argentina

Objectives of the Event:

Next year will mark 120 years since Karl Marx's death.  Marx's heritage, 
as Frederick Engels pointed out, has been an invaluable 'guide to 
action' for all those who share his goal of a society permitting the 
full development of human potential, a society that goes beyond 
capitalism. As we know, though, Marx's work was always rooted in the 
real movements of society. To be consistent with that work and to be 
faithful to its goals, we need to understand the experiences of those 
120 years both in relation to changes in capitalism and also in the 
attempts to create a humane alternative to capitalism, a socialist society
We think this is an important time to look at Marx's ideas and to see 
how they can help us not only to understand the world but also to change 
it. We see the need to develop progressive thought for the beginning of 
the XXI century and the necessary link to revolutionary practice without 
which there can be no change. In this way, we want to honour Marx, who 
dedicated his life (both in his theory and also his practice) to the 
development of a society of free and fully developed men and women, a 
socialist society.
Since socialism for Cuba has always been internationalist and has always 
been marked by international solidarity, we invite scholars and 
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at this conference
We call for proposals around two main themes:

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presentati

Re: Market correction

2002-07-25 Thread joanna bujes

At 07:33 AM 07/25/2002 +0100, you wrote:
>The market rebound. Now they are saying that the market was overdue a
>correction. What rubbish. When they dont know our experts drag out the
>correction word. A code for we dont know.
>Karl Carlile
>Communism Site:
>http://homepage.eircom.net/~beprepared/

Where's the mystery? Bull markets correct down; bear markets correct up. 
The only question is (for those betting): is it a temporary rally or is it 
a correction? To me, it looks and behaves exactly as it did during the 
bubble...except it's going ... ssin the other direction. The 
patterns seem to be the same.

Joanna




Re: Re: RE: Re: Re: RE: Market correction

2002-07-25 Thread Ian Murray


- Original Message -
From: "ravi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 9:52 AM
Subject: [PEN-L:28481] Re: RE: Re: Re: RE: Market correction


>
>
> everyday i hear/read pundits (financial analysts, market analysts,
> MBAs, consultants, commentators, etc) speak forth on the stock
> market collapse caused by the tech bubble that "we" (as they say)
> all fell prey to. but iirc it was they that created the bubble
> and assured us that it was justified. why is it that we continue
> to listen to them correcting themselves, all the while maintaining
> their expert demeanour and certainty of belief?
>
> cannot one of you experts do a sokal on these people?
>
> --ravi


==

Why Sokal them when what needs to be done is hacking the PA system - aka 'the media' - 
of these
lounge singers of casino capitalism.

Ian




Re: Re: RE: Re: Re: RE: Market correction

2002-07-25 Thread joanna bujes

At 12:52 PM 07/25/2002 -0400, you wrote:
>everyday i hear/read pundits (financial analysts, market analysts,
>MBAs, consultants, commentators, etc) speak forth on the stock
>market collapse caused by the tech bubble that "we" (as they say)
>all fell prey to. but iirc it was they that created the bubble
>and assured us that it was justified. why is it that we continue
>to listen to them correcting themselves, all the while maintaining
>their expert demeanour and certainty of belief?
>
>cannot one of you experts do a sokal on these people?

What's a "sokal"?

It is the job of experts to be experts...even, or particularly when, 
they're wrong. What must continue is the belief that the people who run 
things know what they're doing (even when they don't) and that we must 
continue to follow.

On the other hand, things might be getting interesting. I should start 
watching some T.V.

Joanna




Re: RE: Re: Re: RE: Market correction

2002-07-25 Thread ravi



everyday i hear/read pundits (financial analysts, market analysts,
MBAs, consultants, commentators, etc) speak forth on the stock
market collapse caused by the tech bubble that "we" (as they say)
all fell prey to. but iirc it was they that created the bubble
and assured us that it was justified. why is it that we continue
to listen to them correcting themselves, all the while maintaining
their expert demeanour and certainty of belief?

cannot one of you experts do a sokal on these people?

--ravi




RE: Re: Re: RE: Market correction

2002-07-25 Thread Davies, Daniel

h careful ... the finance academics who believe that technical analysis
is literally nonsense, the equivalent of astrology, are very much the old
guard, and are clinging to the principle in the face of mounting evidence
that there is something to it.  Andrew Lo and Craig McKinlay of MIT have
even published a book entitled "A Non-Random Walk Down Wall Street".  This
sort of phenomenon has now been pushed down into "microstructure theory",
the idea being that the push and pull of supply and demand, the stuff which
tape-reading is made of, can be quarantined as being equivalent to a
tatonnement process which does not affect the conclusion that stock market
investors in general set prices rationally.

dd

-Original Message-
From: Doug Henwood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 25 July 2002 16:42
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [PEN-L:28473] Re: Re: RE: Market correction


Michael Perelman wrote:

>Doesn't the term "market correction (rebound) work like the description of
>the Middle East "peace process"  -- suggesting a hope rather than
>information?

No. As DD pointed out, a "correction" is a move counter to the larger 
trend. A correction in a bull market is a downdraft of up to 10%; in 
a bear market, an updraft of no more than 10%. When the move exceeds 
10%, you start thinking about redefining the trend.

This is all demotic market-speak; many finance academics view this 
stuff as little better than astrology.

Doug


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Re: Re: RE: Market correction

2002-07-25 Thread Doug Henwood

Michael Perelman wrote:

>Doesn't the term "market correction (rebound) work like the description of
>the Middle East "peace process"  -- suggesting a hope rather than
>information?

No. As DD pointed out, a "correction" is a move counter to the larger 
trend. A correction in a bull market is a downdraft of up to 10%; in 
a bear market, an updraft of no more than 10%. When the move exceeds 
10%, you start thinking about redefining the trend.

This is all demotic market-speak; many finance academics view this 
stuff as little better than astrology.

Doug




Re: RE: Market correction

2002-07-25 Thread Michael Perelman

Doesn't the term "market correction (rebound) work like the description of
the Middle East "peace process"  -- suggesting a hope rather than
information?
 -- 
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
Chico, CA 95929

Tel. 530-898-5321
E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]




RE: Market correction

2002-07-25 Thread Davies, Daniel

h ... "correction" has a pretty precise meaning in this context, which
technical analysis bores like me would agree is overused, but was probably
appropriate in this case.

The point is that part of the reason for the fall was that there had been
short selling.  By yesterday, the shorts had committed almost all of their
capital to the market (ie; they had maxed out their margins) and thus
couldn't add to their positions any more.  They thus have the incentive to
close out positions, realising some gains, increasing the equity in their
account, and thus increasing the amount of margin and the amount of short
positions they can take out next time.  To call a sharp rally in a downtrend
a "correction" is actually a very bearish thing to say.

That's my understanding of the term "correction" anyway, but there are
considerable differences between US and UK jargon and I suspect the looser
use of "correction" meaning "any sharp countertrend movement" is the one in
general usage.

dd

-Original Message-
From: Karl [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 25 July 2002 07:33
To: PEN
Subject: [PEN-L:28463] Market correction


The market rebound. Now they are saying that the market was overdue a
correction. What rubbish. When they dont know our experts drag out the
correction word. A code for we dont know.
Karl Carlile
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Market correction

2002-07-24 Thread Karl

The market rebound. Now they are saying that the market was overdue a
correction. What rubbish. When they dont know our experts drag out the
correction word. A code for we dont know.
Karl Carlile
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Re: woops: correction

2002-07-11 Thread Gar Lipow



joanna bujes wrote:

> To take an example, I think Pete Seeger's songs had much greater 
> influence on working class consciousness...than any utopian novel.
> 
> I'm spacing...I meant Woodie Guthrie.
> 
> Joanna
> 
> 


Nmm, well regardless of what folk music represents today, there was a 
time lasting until the early sixties when folk music was a genuinely 
popular music - including Pete Seegar and Joan Baez. And I will note 
that the songs of those time were not above articulationg a concrete vision:


 >If each little kid could have fresh milk each day
 >If each working person had more time to play
 >If each homeless soul had a good place to stay
 >It could be a wonderful world

Pretty concrete detail, no?


That is how cold utopian vision make it into popular culture; someone 
conceives a utopian vision; if it is compelling enough artists and 
writers pick it up.






woops: correction

2002-07-11 Thread joanna bujes

To take an example, I think Pete Seeger's songs had much greater influence 
on working class consciousness...than any utopian novel.

I'm spacing...I meant Woodie Guthrie.

Joanna




Re: Argentine Crisis... Correction

2001-12-27 Thread Alan Cibils

I just re-read the David Felix Foreign Policy in Focus article and realized 
it was from September 2001, so of course he doesn't mention events in 
December!!

My apologies,

Alan


At 10:57 AM 12/27/2001 -0400, you wrote:
>Well, in the case of Argentina, I think it is quite clear when it stopped 
>developing: March 24, 1976. That was the date of the military coup that 
>introduced neoliberalism for good into the country
>(it is also not a coincidence that this was the bloodiest coup in the 
>country's history, as people on this list are well aware). This isn't just 
>rhetoric either. The absolute lack of  government development policies, 
>coupled with indiscriminate opening of goods and capital markets, has 
>resulted in de-industrialization and job loss. Of course, the latest 
>chapter of de-development (which hopefully ended last week) started in 
>April 1991 with the implementation of the convertibility law.
>
>David Felix's article is very interesting and generally acurate, but I 
>think he leaves out a key component: Cavallo and de la Rua were overthrown 
>by a massive, spontaneous popular uprising. I am not sure at this point 
>what the US and IMF response will be, but I am quite certain that more 
>such protests are in store if neoliberalism comes back. People on the 
>street have a pretty good understanding of what "ajuste" (adjustment) 
>means, and there isn't much patience for those policies any more. IT is 
>true that the uprising was not organized, and that most of those who 
>participated do not belong to any political organization. This makes 
>future uprisings hard to predict, since there is no convoking group or 
>coalition. However, my sense from talking to people on the street is that 
>"we have had enough, we will not tolerate more". Another "cacerolazo" 
>(protest where pots and pans are banged) is entirely possible if the 
>preception becomes that changes aren't for real.
>
>Alan
>
>
>At 09:26 PM 12/26/2001 -0800, you wrote:
>
>>- Original Message -
>>From: "michael pugliese" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>It would also increase opposition within
>> > the IMF
>> > directorate to U.S. dominance of IMF policy toward the developing
>> >
>> > countries,
>>
>>===
>>Just when do countries stop developing? Didn't Arturo Escobar write
>>something about the uselessness of development discourse?
>>
>>Ian
>
>
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Correction -- Oct. 29: Protest the Israeli Assault onPalestinians & the American War on Afghanistan!

2001-10-24 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi

>* For more info, contact the Committee for Justice at the Ohio State 
>University in Palestine at 614-668-6554.

Sorry for a mix-up in cutting & pasting, but the name of the org 
should of course have been the Committee for Justice in Palestine at 
the Ohio State University.  Now, I need some sleep
-- 
Yoshie

* Calendar of Anti-War Events in Columbus: 

* Anti-War Activist Resources: 
* Anti-War Organizing in Columbus Covered by the Media: 





correction to the letter

2001-09-13 Thread Stephen E Philion

oops, i just noticed where I wrote 'Non-American', I meant to wrtie
'non-Arab American'.
Steve




Re: Lord Layard of Highgate [URL correction]

2001-07-11 Thread Tom Walker

There was a typo in the URL for the Layard paper. Here is the corrected URL:

"Welfare-to-Work and the Fight Against Long-term Unemployment, a report to
Prime Ministers Blair and D'Alema and the Council of Europe, March 2000"
http://cep.lse.ac.uk/welfare.pdf See also http://www.ft.com/fteuro/qbac6.htm)

Tom Walker
Bowen Island, BC
604 947 2213




Correction

2001-06-28 Thread Louis Proyect

>I have no idea what "traditional societies" means to you. I am talking
>about how the Blackfoot lived in 18th century Montana. When there was a
>particularly brutal winter, some people starved. However, there was such NO
>thing as infectious diseases (I am leaving aside smallpox blankets.) That
>came with reservation life.


Louis Proyect
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Re: Market correction or dynastic decline?

2001-06-01 Thread Rob Schaap

G'day Michael,

> Mr Rich and Mr Keeling further antagonised their paymasters by
> awarding themselves multimillion dollar bonuses last year. 

Yeah, about $14.5 million.  Unfortunate, that - as the word is that this is
just about the amount of the accumulated entitlements that the company's
workers look like missing out on.  In Oz, businesses are allowed to use
workers' entitlements, coz our prime minister reckons making bosses keep their
hands off their workers' money would be a draconian fetter on business.

> Administrators said it would be business as usual for customers of   > the company 
>until further notice.

Except that the company whose wire One-Tel was leasing have cut off all
customers who would not immediately transfer their business to them.  So,
unless One-Tel's ambitious overseas investments are paying off large (and this
brave new world of competition ain't doing most telcos anywhere much good),
One-Tel and most of its workers (those not absorbed by the company who's just
about done 'em out of a job) are for the high jump.

As for messrs Jamie and Lachlan, ain't there an old saying about third
generations in such dynasties?

Cheers,
Rob.




Market correction or dynastic decline?

2001-06-01 Thread Keaney Michael

Penners

Spare a thought for two elderly philanthropists...

Number's up for Murdoch/Packer venture

The Guardian - United Kingdom, May 31, 2001
BY PATRICK BARKHAM IN SYDNEY AND DAVID TEATHER

The heirs to the Murdoch and Packer media empires suffered a humiliating
blow to their reputations
yesterday when a hi-tech company they jointly championed fell into
administration with huge debts. 

Rupert Murdoch's News Corp and Kerry Packer's Publishing and Broadcasting
Ltd stand to lose
almost ADollars 1bn (pounds 360m) from the failure of One.Tel which had been
the fo cus of a rare
alliance between the two dynasties. 

The company had operated a mobile phone network and internet service
provider in Australia as well
as a more mundane discount telephone calls business in Britain. 

Mr Murdoch's eldest son, Lachlan, and Mr Packer's son, James, are said to
have dragged their
reluctant fathers into investing in the operation. They saw the business in
which they held a combined
51% stake as a potential platform to distribute programming and other
content from their wider media
operations. 

A joint statement from the two young executives spoke bitterly of their
involvement in the company.
"Like all shareholders we are angry. We have been profoundly misled as to
the true financial position of
the company. We intend to explore all remedies available to us." 

The failure of the business is also likely to cement Mr Murdoch Sr's already
entrenched cynicism about
the potential of the internet. He recently pulled the plug on a pounds 500m
internet investment fund
called ePartners. 

One.Tel was placed in administration after Lachlan and James discovered the
business was ADollars
180m in debt, far worse than had been believed. The young heirs were poised
to guarantee a ADollars
132m rights issue to bail out the business. 

Lachlan and James are the chairmen of their fathers' Australian operations
and both had also sat on
One.Tel's board of directors. They were talked into the investment by
One.Tel's joint founder, Jodee
Rich, an old schoolfriend of James Packer. 

News Corp and PBL have pumped ADollars 909m into One.Tel over the past two
years. 

Australia's corporate watchdog said it was commencing an investigation into
"serious allegations about
One.Tel's solvency and disclosure" after News Corp and PBL complained that
its financial position
"was not as reported to the board on May 17, nor at earlier board meetings".


For Kerry Packer, Australia's richest man, the failure of One.Tel is the
latest in a series of ill-fated
investments in the hi-tech sector since his son took over the day-to-day
running of the company. 

Mr Packer, who underwent a kidney transplant in November, has seen ADollars
2bn sliced from his
ADollars 8.2bn fortune in the last 12 months. 

During the dot.com boom, One.Tel's share price soared to ADollars 2.84,
valuing the company at
ADollars 5bn. Before trading was suspended on Monday, the shares had slumped
to 16 cents. 

In an example of its hubris, the company had been among the bidders for a
next generation mobile
licence in Britain last year - which cost the eventual winners up to pounds
5bn. 

After the internet crash Mr Rich and co-founder Brad Keeling continued to
make upbeat assessments
of One.Tel's profitability, predicting in April that the business would
break even by the end of this
month. 

Mr Rich and Mr Keeling further antagonised their paymasters by awarding
themselves multimillion
dollar bonuses last year. They were forced off the board as a condition of
the planned rights issue. 

Administrators said it would be business as usual for customers of the
company until further notice.

Full article at:
http://globalarchive.ft.com/globalarchive/articles.html?print=true&id=010531
014033

Michael Keaney
Mercuria Business School
Martinlaaksontie 36
01620 Vantaa
Finland

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Re: Re: Turkey and Argentina (correction)

2001-04-12 Thread Louis Proyect

>Sabri, the people demonstrating in the streets are not really interested in
>a discussion about the feasibilty of socialism versus capitalism, I would
>surmise. The single event that seems to have energized the recent PROTESTS
was
>a florist hurling an empty cash register at Ecevit.

Louis Proyect
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correction on anti-Semitism article.

2001-02-19 Thread J. Barkley Rosser, Jr.

   I apologize for mislabeling the source of the
article in question.  Here is a full and exact citation.
Melvin W. Reder, "The Anti-Semitism of Some 
Eminent Economists," History of Political Economy,
Winter 2000, volume 32, no. 4, pp. 833-856.
Barkley Rosser




Re: Correction, Re: Re:Anti-globalizationactivists...

2001-01-14 Thread Doyle Saylor

Where it reads in my posting,

(from 100 billion computing communications now to 10 trillion in
2012)  100 billion ought to be 800 billion.




Re: A correction (was Re: Re: Re: The US buys democracy for Yugoslavia.)

2000-09-25 Thread phillp2

From:   "Nestor Miguel Gorojovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date sent:  Mon, 25 Sep 2000 22:27:30 -0300
Subject:    [PEN-L:2294] A correction (was  Re: Re: Re: The US buys 
democracy for Yugoslavia.)
Priority:   normal
Send reply to:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

> En relación a [PEN-L:2288] Re: Re: Re: The US buys democracy fo, 
> el 25 Sep 00, a las 21:22, Nestor Miguel Gorojovsky dijo:
> 
> > 
> > What would they say if, for example, Pinochet lavishly funded a pro-
> > Russian party for the American elections? Or would they, in the end,
> > prefer to vote for "their own" S.O.B.? And, never forget: Pinochet is
> > not worse than Clinton. He is BETTER.
> 
> Where it says "pro Russian", read "pro Chilean".  The original phrase 
> named Putin.
> 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Néstor Miguel Gorojovsky

Of course, American law prevents foreign countries from 
contributing to the campaingns of American Politicians.  On the 
other hand, the Americans command as their imperial right, the  
right to spend money to contribute to the campaings of parties in 
foreign countries in which they have a material interest.  What 
hypocracy.  Have Americans no shame? no shame at all??

I guess not.
Paul Phillips,
Economics,
University of Manitoba

> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> Néstor Miguel Gorojovsky
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 




A correction (was Re: Re: Re: The US buys democracy for Yugoslavia.)

2000-09-25 Thread Nestor Miguel Gorojovsky

En relación a [PEN-L:2288] Re: Re: Re: The US buys democracy fo, 
el 25 Sep 00, a las 21:22, Nestor Miguel Gorojovsky dijo:

> 
> What would they say if, for example, Pinochet lavishly funded a pro-
> Russian party for the American elections? Or would they, in the end,
> prefer to vote for "their own" S.O.B.? And, never forget: Pinochet is
> not worse than Clinton. He is BETTER.

Where it says "pro Russian", read "pro Chilean".  The original phrase 
named Putin.

> 
> 
> 
> Néstor Miguel Gorojovsky
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 



Néstor Miguel Gorojovsky
[EMAIL PROTECTED]




Correction to Re: Re: kargarlitsky on Russian sociology etc.

2000-07-25 Thread Nestor Miguel Gorojovsky

En relación a [PEN-L:22176] Re: kargarlitsky on Russian sociolo, 
el 24 Jul 00, a las 21:12, Nestor Miguel Gorojovsky dijo:

> 

Where I wrote,

> ... We should not forget that,
> historically, emulation with the West emptied Soviet ideology of 
that
> basic component of Lenin's (and Stalin's to a certain extent) view:
> that the USSR was on an equal foot with imperialist countries. 

it should be modified by

> ... We should not forget that,
> historically, emulation with the West emptied Soviet ideology of 
that
> basic component of Lenin's (and Stalin's to a certain extent) view:
> that the USSR was NOT AT ALL on an equal foot with imperialist 
countries. 

Néstor Miguel Gorojovsky
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: Re: Typo correction, Re: Re: Re: Re: ConcerningWynne Godley

2000-06-25 Thread Michael Perelman


Doyle, maybe I did not understand the question.  The ultimate result
of the bonds coming due would be that households would be holding money
rather than bonds.  They could use the money to buy other assets,
but the could not add to their holdings of bonds because the gov't would
not be offering any new bonds.
Doyle Saylor wrote:
 
Doyle
Money in bonds increases.  Money held in the hand is spent? 
Also like Christian I think Michael hasn't grasped
the question as it was put.
 

--
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
Chico, CA 95929
Tel. 530-898-5321
E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 


Re: Typo correction, Re: Re: Re: Re: ConcerningWynne Godley

2000-06-25 Thread Doyle Saylor
Title: Re: [PEN-L:20674] Typo correction, Re: Re: Re: Re: Concerning Wynne Godley



Greetings Economists,
    I felt the need to restate what C. Gregory asked to M. Perelman.  I failed to put a question mark in the sentence where I meant it.  See below for correction.

Christian Gregory
I get that.

Doyle
In reference to what Michael Perelman was writing about bonds being
withdrawn as debt is paid off.  C. Gregory continues,

Christian Gregory,
I don't get why the disappearance of those assets automatically
means that the wealth once held in them becomes a liability. Is it assumed
that turning treasuries into cash amounts to a debit or
consumption/investment?

Doyle
Money in bonds increases.  Money held in the hand is spent?  Also like Christian I think Michael hasn't grasped the question as it was put.

thanks,
Doyle






Correction (fetish imploded)

2000-06-11 Thread Timework Web

I wrote,

> Camouflaged fish that swim blythly into the maw of the predator on the
> pretext that their camouflage gives them immunity are indeed "something
> else altogether . . ." A meal.

Correction: I should have said a snack.


Tom Walker




Correction to "Not Automatic"

2000-06-01 Thread Louis Proyect

>book. One at http://www.marxmail.org/sol_genora.jpg depicts the two authors
>in 1944, with Roy Snowden to their right.

Snowden is actually to the left.

Louis Proyect
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Correction

2000-05-12 Thread Louis Proyect

 Attempts in Guatemala under Arbenz, Dominican Republic under Bosch,
Nicaragua under the Sandinistas, Chile under Somoza to foster economic
growth...

---

This obviously was meant to be:  Attempts in Guatemala under Arbenz,
Dominican Republic under Bosch, Nicaragua under the Sandinistas, Chile
under Allende to foster economic growth...

Louis Proyect

(The Marxism mailing list: http://www.marxmail.org)




Re: Talk at SUNY Albany: Correction (fwd)

2000-03-31 Thread Mine Aysen Doyran

thanks for this very important correction..

the presenter's name is Paul Streeten, not Streen!!

please, consider it corrected here, since it is correct in the flyers...

Mine

>Gunder Frank wrote:

> >his name is Streeten
> >gunderOn Fri, 31 Mar 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 17:34:48 -0500 (EST)
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > To: WORLD SYSTEMS NETWORK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Talk at SUNY Albany  (fwd)
> >
> >
> >
> > I think that the folks will be interested in this. State University of New
> > York at Albany, Nelson A. Rockeffeller College, Graduate School of Public
> > Affairs, The Department of Public Administration and Policy presents Paul
> > Streen, founder of the influential journal World Development who will
> > speak on "What is Wrong with Comtemporary Economics?", Milne 200,
> > Rockefeller College, Tuesday, April 11, 2000, 4 p.m. Paul Streen is a
> > leading thinker on international development who has written on diverse
> > subjects ranging from the history of economic thought to international
> > trade to the measurement of social progress. As a reviwer of one of his
> > more recent works, Thinking about Development (1995) noted, Dr. Streen's
> > great legacy is: "his dedication to the proposition that behind
> > economists' stacks of equations and piles of tables are people
> > too many of whom lack opportunities to earn decent incomes, to secure
> > basic health and education, and to enjoy personal freedoms". Dr.Streen is
> > Professor of Emeritus of Economics at Boston University. He is a fellow of
> > Balliol College at Oxford University, and served as a visiting professor
> > at many universities throughout Europe. His many books include, What Price
> > Food? Beyond Adjustment, Strategies for Human Development and The United
> > National and the Brettton Woods Institutions. Asked where he called home,
> > the awowed "heterodox economist" said, "Having moved from Austria to
> > England, Scotland and America, my roots are not in the soil but
> > are aerial, across national boundries". Dr. Streen's cosmopolitan
> > background offers an unique vantage point to analyze the evolution of
> > thought and strategies on international development and its present scope.
> >
> > A reception will follow the talk. For more information please call Dori
> > Brown (518) 442-5258 or Prof. Holy Sims (518) 442-5268.
> >
> > You can also e-mail me (Mine) at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > To obtain Enrollment Information Call, (518)-442-5244. Visit our web site
> > at www.albany.edu/gspa
> >
> >
> > --
> > Mine Aysen Doyran
> > Phd Student
> > Department of Political Science
> > SUNY at Albany
> > Nelson A. Rockefeller College
> > Western Avenue 135,
> > Milne 102, Albany/NY, 1
> >
>
> ~~
>  ANDRE GUNDER FRANK
>   Visiting Professor  of  International Relations
> University of Miami   & Florida International University
>
> 380 Giralda Ave. Apt 704Tel: 1-305-648 1906
> Miami - Coral Gables FL Fax: 1-305-648 0149
> USA  33134  e-mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Personal/Professional Home Page> http://csf.colorado.edu/archive/agfrank/
>
> My NATO/Kosovo Page> http://csf.colorado.edu/archive/agfrank/nato_kosovo/
>
> My professional/personal conclusion is the same as Pogo's -
> We have met the enemy, and it is US
> ~



--

Mine Aysen Doyran
PhD Student
Department of Political Science
SUNY at Albany
Nelson A. Rockefeller College
135 Western Ave.; Milne 102
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Re: "Kadosh" correction

2000-02-29 Thread Louis Proyect

>Meanwhile, the rabbi has also instructed MEIR to end his marriage with
>Rivka. The fact that she has not been able to conceive is regarded as a sin
>by the close-knit community and it is time for him to live up to his
>responsibility as a Jew. In their world, men are brought into the world to
>study the Talmud and women are there to support them. This means first of
>all procreating and secondly to cook and to keep the house clean.


Louis Proyect

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[PEN-L:12106] correction to More links

1999-10-01 Thread Louis Proyect

Andre G. Frank's home-page is at http://csf.colorado.edu/archive/agfrank/


Louis Proyect

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[PEN-L:11942] CORRECTION: Provisional reactions to the Brenner thesis

1999-09-29 Thread Louis Proyect

This heading:
>1. URBAN OR RURAL ORIGINS OF AGRICULTURE?

should obviously have read:

>1. URBAN OR RURAL ORIGINS OF CAPITALISM?

Louis Proyect

(http://www.panix.com/~lnp3/marxism.html)





[PEN-L:10495] FW: UN Dioxin POPs Urgency - E-mail Correction/Changes

1999-08-31 Thread Craven, Jim



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Subject: UN Dioxin POPs Urgency - Changes
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Correct e-mail and other changes in previous message:
RE: UN Dioxin POPs Urgency

The correct spelling for Mr. Yeager is:

Mr. Brooks Yeager
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He is on leave this week and will be going directly to Geneva...fax him
a copy at:
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The corrected email address for:
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Office of Pesticides, Prevention & Toxic Substances
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[PEN-L:7501] FW: Leonard's Book: Urgent Correction for Book Orders

1999-06-01 Thread Craven, Jim



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Leonard's Book: Urgent Correction for Book Orders

Please Note:  We just received the following notice regarding an urgent
correction on ordering Leonard Peltier's new book.


Subject: leonard's book - a correction is urgently needed
Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 06:05:42 PDT
From: "Janet Cavallo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Just saw the message on leonard's book from the harvey arden who helped 
leonard pen the book.

You can check with the official press coming from the Defense Committee
but the book MUST be ordered from the Defense Committee in order for the
lpdc and leonard to get any proceeds.  Just ordering it from the
publisher will not help them.

So, the strategy is to get people to order from LPDC directly.  They
will 
have a huge supply on hand at all times.

Any questions, contact Pat or Gina at [EMAIL PROTECTED]


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[PEN-L:4072] Base/superstructure (correction)

1999-03-03 Thread Louis Proyect

>When you really get down to it, the base/superstructure model is nearly
>useless when you are doing sophisticated class analysis of societies past
>or present. Right now I am taking a close look at the late 17th and early
>18th century in order to understand what Leibniz stood for. David Harvey,
>unfortunately, has little interest in seeing Leibniz in CONTEXT and just
>holds him up as a expert on "relationism".


Louis Proyect

(http://www.panix.com/~lnp3/marxism.html)






[PEN-L:2684] A correction from Jon

1999-01-28 Thread Louis Proyect

Greetings from Scotland, and thanks to Lou for his comments and analysis,
which seldom fail to be interesting and are usually pertinent, if not
always 100% accurate.

On accuracy, I'll just mention that the department at Duke that has
"imploded" is not the Literature Program (at which I did, and continue to
do, my PhD), but the English Department.

And while the press may consistently confuse various theoretical and
political tendencies--tarring them all with the same brush--it would be
unwise to repeat this move if one wants an effective analysis.  Thus
beware: not all poststructuralisms, postmodernisms or postmarxisms are
alike.  Specifically, in this case, Stanley Fish (former chair of the
English department) is an avowed conservative--if one worth listening
to--while Fred Jameson (chair of the Literature Program) is more
Marxist--of a Hegelian or Lukacsian variety--than postmarxist.

But the fact that the Literature Program (whose program is generally much
more recognizeably leftist) remains sturdy while serious problems have
been revealed in the (generally more conservative) English Department is
less, I think, a result of its political or theoretical orientation than
of rather different hiring strategies, relations among the faculty, and
the fact that it has always had fewer significant internal divisions. 

Not such an interesting story, but perhaps a more complicated one
concerning academic labor practices and corporate organization.

Meanwhile, rather than search for the apocryphal article that might
reflect how much I was shaken by the Sokal affair (and rather than take
the ironic reference to this affair at face value), perhaps better to look
at my article "Peronism and the Secret History of Cultural Studies: 
Populism and the Substitution of Culture for State," in _Cultural
Critique_ 39 (Spring 1998): 189-217.  This might also clarify, a little
better than can Lou, my position on the role of culture in politics. 

And education is bad for you whether you are at Duke, Aberdeen, or
anywhere else.  I know many said this on the old marxism list (Lou first
among them), but they sometimes forgot that you don't have to be outside
of academia to say it.  Indeed, some of us hope that we may be heard
saying it within academia.

Take care and regards to all, especially to Lou

Jon

Jon Beasley-Murray
Hispanic Studies
University of Aberdeen
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Louis Proyect

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[PEN-L:2541] Re: Economic's "narrow focus" correction

1999-01-24 Thread Tom Walker

I wrote, 

>well as level). IN HER EXECUTIVE SUMMARY, Baran simply stated that "Most of
>the evidence, however, concludes that adverse employment effects do not
>persist in the long run." Technically, her statement is correct because most
>of the studies surveyed were old and ignored the structure of the payroll
>taxes. 

Pardon me. I was being too generous. Technically Baran's statement was NOT
correct because there was NO CONSENSUS among the earlier empirical studies
and Hamermesh had instead decided on the basis of his "robust theoretical
model", and not "the evidence", that the adverse employment effects must not
persist in the long run.


Tom Walker
http://www.vcn.bc.ca/timework/






[PEN-L:1789] Correction

1998-12-21 Thread Ken Hanly

In my last post--I hope it is my last-- there is a "not" missing. I 
should have said why "wouldn't" Summers have written another memo 
immediately (when he learned about the other memo).
  CHeers, Ken Hanly






[PEN-L:1206] Re: the quasi-fixed factor fallacy (correction)

1998-12-03 Thread Tom Walker

>Then the total labour cost with 90 employed workers and 1% unemployed is

That should have read 10 unemployed.

Regards, 

Tom Walker
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[PEN-L:1190] Jim Craven's email address/correction

1998-11-24 Thread Louis Proyect

It is: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Protests should be directed to:

President Tana Hasart: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Louis Proyect

(http://www.panix.com/~lnp3/marxism.html)






[PEN-L:408] Re: Cyber-Sawicky (correction)

1998-10-06 Thread Tom Walker

I wrote,

>Most of the increases in assets shown in these tables resulted from the gain
>in asset prices but between 1995 and 1997 there were also annual net inflows
>of new retirement money into mutual funds of between 85 and 107 billion
>dollars.

I should clarify that I didn't mean to say the net inflows from 1992 to 1994
were nil or negligible, only that the source gave figures only for 1995 to 1997.

Regards, 

Tom Walker
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[PEN-L:1427] Correction

1998-09-02 Thread James Michael Craven

On Louis Proyect's long missive in which I and others were quoted and 
my background described, I would like to make one correction so that 
there is no misrepresentation--due in no way to Louis.

I am a member of the Blackfoot Confederacy whose Blackfoot 
blood-quantum has been acknowledged but I am not BIA enrolled. Prior 
to 1962, an Indian was anyone with Indian blood, self-acknowledged to 
be an Indian and living as one and acknowledged by his/her Tribal 
affiliation to be an Indian; all of this applies to me.

After 1962, the BIA formally defined an "Indian" as someone with 25% 
or more Indian blood--this was despite the fact that many Nations and 
Tribes accepted less than 25% because of their histories--rape, 
abduction, adoption, inter-marriage etc-- and the BIA put this rule 
in, in violation of National Sovereignty (imagine if the U.S. 
government tells the Polish Government who and what is a true "Pole" 
etc) in order to break the ties between Indians and their lands and 
cultures and to de-allot/privatize for sale to non-Indians, their 
lands and to define out of existence, Indians and the "Indian 
problem." Today, formal enrollment means the final say rests with the 
BIA, a process to which I will never submit for the same reason that 
no Jew should be asked to sumit to a process involving nazis being 
the final authority as to what and who is a "true Jew."

Although my Blackfoot "blood-quantum" is far more than 25% and has 
been so established, I will never submit to any enrollment process in 
which the BIA or DIA has any influence or say whatsoever. As a member 
of the Blackfoot Confederacy, I am fighting for full-national 
sovereignty and full integration of the "Tribes" of the Blackfoot 
Nation. I will never carry a DIA or BIA card and I proudly carry--and 
use at all border crossings-- my ID Card as a recognized member of the Blackfoot 
Confederacy.

Jim Craven

 James Craven 
 Dept. of Economics,Clark College
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property shall never be taken from them without their consent." 
(Northwest Ordinance, 1787, Ratified by Congress 1789)

"Labor is prior to and independent of capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor 
and could not have existed had not labor first existed. Labor is the superior of
capital and deserves much the higher consideration." (Abraham Lincoln)

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[PEN-L:1302] Correction/Addendum:

1998-08-28 Thread James Michael Craven

Correction/Addendum:

Actually the harassment against my family continued right up to July 
23, 1991 the day my father died--and even after, with notes 
celebrating my father's death.

The night before my father decided he was going to cross the line he 
and I sat up late to talk about it. My father said to me and I'll 
never forget it, "You know, I used to tell you to work inside the 
system and you used to tell me that some systems are so rotten and 
corrupt that working inside them, even for a good cause, will cause 
you to become corrupt or weak to the point that the 'good cause' will 
be lost or not possible; you were correct." He said, "It is like nazi 
Germany, the ones who remained silent and failed to stand up, were in 
many ways worse than the ones who did the terrorism because the ones 
who did the terrorism were diseased organism whereas the ones who 
knew better but said and did nothing, made Faustian bargains that 
allowed the diseased organisms to do what they did." He said I have 
no choice but to cross but the shit will come down on all of us. I 
told my father to do what had to be done.

Later, when all of it came down and we knew who was directing it, I 
wanted to go after the ones directing it. My father said no, we'll 
get them with the law and we are not like them. I'm still sorry I 
didn't get a chance to put a bullet through the head of at least one 
of them--almost did--when they came to raid the house. (They slashed 
the tires on my car also; they did it on the inside walls of the 
tires so the tires would blow at high speed).


On 28 Aug 98 at 9:20, James Michael Craven wrote:

> On the eve of the possible Northwest Airlines Strike tonight, I 
> thought I would re-issue this letter to Dateline sent June 29, 1995. 
> There are some lessons here. I have added some comments [in brackets] 
> to the original letter for clarification based on iquiries I received 
> at the time. I must admit, as I see all the posturing going on [on 
> both sides] it gives some painful flashbacks.
> 
> 
> 
> --- Forwarded Message Follows ---
> From:  "James Michael Craven" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Organization:  Clark College, Vancouver WA, USA
> To:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date:  Thu, 29 Jun 1995 17:06:16 PST8PDT
> Subject:   Sanctioned terrorism at Northwest Airlines
> Priority:  normal
> 
> Dear Dateline,
> 
> I commend you for your thorough report on the tragic terror faced by 
> and death of Susan Tosakawiecz(?) at Northwest Airlines. If it turns 
> out that she was murdered by someone at NWA and that her death can be 
> partially blamed on complacency and inaction by NWA management, then 
> her death will  not be the first that can be traced partially back to 
> the postures and inaction of NWA management; you can also add the 
> name of my mother Mary Kathleen Craven who committed suicide  on 
> February 23, 1985 as a result of a seven-year campaign of terror 
> directed and conducted by some members of ALPA (Airline Pilot's 
> Association) against my father, mother and the whole family.
> 
> In late 1979, the NWA pilots went out on strike for 112 days. My 
> father, a NWA pilot who retired after 33 years on NWA as a 747 
> captain, remained out on strike for 102 of the 112 days; he didn't 
> believe in crossing picket lines. There were however, some pilots who 
> crossed the line. At one union meeting at which over 400 pilots were 
> in attendance, the leadership announced that they would go after not 
> only "scabs"--non-striking pilots--but their families as well. They 
> said that they would go after the "weak links" in the families and 
> would even "produce suicides". [along with stress, pilots busting 
> their physicals, social isolation of families, divorces etc] 
> 
> 
> My father, Homer Henry Craven Jr. stood up and protested this saying 
> that pilots have no place conducting terrorism against anyone and 
> especially against women and children. Immediately following that 
> meeting my mother who had just suffered a heart attack began to 
> receive phone calls at 3 O' Clock in the morning calling her a "scab 
> bitch" and saying "how does it feel to fuck a scab?"--eventhough my 
> father had not even crossed the picket line.
> 
> [My Grandfather on my father's side was a member of the IWW and was a 
> Socialist. All my life up to that point my father had taught me not 
> to cross picket lines. Over the course of the strike, I heard my 
> father over and over urge people not to cross. After the open ALPA 
> meeting when they called for going after wives and children (the weak 
> links) and my father openly p

[PEN-L:1222] Wah'habism: correction

1998-08-26 Thread Rosser Jr, John Barkley

 I made an error in my long post on Wah'habism.  The 
owner of Achnacarry Castle at which the Red Line Agreement 
of 1928 dividing up the world for the oil majors was owned 
by the Chairman of Royal Dutch Shell, but he was Sir Henri 
Deterding, not Walter Teagle.  Teagle was in attendance as 
the Chairman of New Jersey Standard (future Exxon).
 Two further notes:
 A major question regarding Islamic economics is the 
extent to which it favors socialism or capitalism.  The 
French Marxist economist, Maxime Rodinson, argued in _Islam 
and Capitalism_, 1973, New York: Pantheon (originally in 
French) that it is inherently pro-capitalist given the 
rules in the Qur'an about property inheritance and the open 
approval of profit, despite the forbidding of interest.  
Others have seen a socialist potential in certain passages 
declaring that only Allah is the owner of things, although 
as in Iran this has ended up being interpreted as 
justifying clerical ownership of the means of production.  
An advocate of Islamic socialism is Mohammed Abdul Mannon, 
_Islamic Economics: Theory and Practice_, 1970, Lahore: 
Muhammed Ashraf (a disproportionate number of Islamic 
economists have been of Pakistani origin, beginning with 
Sayyid Abdul A'la Mawdudi, _The Economic Problem of Man and 
Its Islamic Solution_, 1947, Lahore: Islamic Publications, 
translated to English from Urdu, 1975). These 
pro-socialist views were predominant in the early stages of 
the Iranian revolution prior to the removal of Abolhassan 
Bani-Sadr who was associated with the pro-socialist 
Ayatollah Taliqani.  However in 1982 the Khomeini-dominated 
Council of Guardians passed rulings that definitely tilted 
Iran towards a more capitalist position.
 In the Kingdom of Sa'udi Arabia (KSA) the 
pro-capitalist interpretation has always held, despite 
government ownership of the oil, of Petromin, and major 
government involvement in directing petrodollars to 
industrial development through SABIC.  The views of the 
ultra-strict Hanbali Sa'udis have also manifested 
themselves in their extreme opposition to "godless 
communism," to the point that KSA never has had diplomatic 
relations with any communist state, unless they have 
recently switched to recognizing the PRC rather than the 
ROC when I wasn't paying attention.
Barkley Rosser
James Madison University


-- 
Rosser Jr, John Barkley
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[PEN-L:957] Correction Clinton's speech

1998-08-18 Thread James Michael Craven

correction: shouold read NOT free on line 7 para 3  

On 18 Aug 98 at 10:14, James Michael Craven wrote:

> G'day Rob,
> 
> I agree with what you are saying. And further, I must say that I 
> believe that Monica was--from what I can see and with the caveat I 
> may be wrong and am open to counter-evidence/argument--a calculating 
> opportunist, sycophant and "player" trying to cut corners with 
> networking and who you know rather than what you know; that is my 
> provisional opinion. But even then...
> 
> First of all, there is the problem--hardly mentioned--that out of 90 
> Interns in her class, only one got a paying job--guess who. Further, 
> according to some accounts--suspects--her paying job may have begun 
> in November 1995 which is when she allegedly began this 
> "inappropriate" relationship of whatever. So Ms Lewinsky got some job 
> thus depriving someone else of the same job (assuming someone was 
> better qualified in terms of their own criteria and assuming the job 
> was not necessarily created for her specially but rather she was the 
> one chosen for a given slot). Further, by all accounts, she was 
> perceived as a gushing sycophant in the White House (what else is 
> there there--possibly) and was transferred out to the Pentagon where 
> corners were definitely cut to get her the requisite security 
> clearance--given what we know about her background and the commonly 
> accepted standard criteria for Top Secret Clearance required to work 
> in the Pentagon). Then apparently she failed there too, and she was 
> sent off to the private sector with a $450.00-an-hour lawyer, Vernon 
> Jordan taking her around in his limo and giving special references.
> All of this is with the caveat that if some of the common elements in 
> diverse press accounts are to be believed.
> 
> So yes we all need friends and promotions and want to live and yes 
> sex is an important part of life. The problem is that more often than 
> not, many of the "relationships"--or at least a significant 
> number--that ensue between people in the workplace occupying 
> positions involving gross disparities in power (particularly where 
> one has the power to hire/fire, promote/not promote or give an "A" or 
> not give an "A") are NOT  truly freely contracted or free of 
> unconscionability--and threats need not be explicitly communicated, 
> they may be understood. So in the case that you mentioned in 
> academia, both parties could simply wait until one no longer had the 
> power of the grade or power to promote or power to supervise the 
> other. That is the general standard although some institutions state 
> no relations between teachers and students period--excessive in my 
> opinion.
> 
> The problem in this case is that the gross disparity in power is so 
> extreme that some form of unconscionability in the relationship might 
> be presumed and/or give a cover and precedent to others practicing 
> sexual harassment in situations nominally similar.
> 
> The neoclassicals assume that all exchanges "must be" free and 
> voluntary otherwise they would not have occurred. They don't 
> recognize or deal with power, unconscionability, implicit threats 
> etc. On the other hand, in the real world, there are single-mothers 
> who have to feed their children, older workers with no chance of 
> being rehired for anything etc for who their "choices" are anything 
> but "free and voluntary" as suggested in the neoclassical texts; we 
> wind up with the "lesser of evils" handed to us by the "evil of 
> lessers."
> 
> Just some thoughts.
> 
> Jim Craven
> 
> 
> On 19 Aug 98 at 2:45, Rob Schaap wrote:
> 
> > G'day James,
> > 
> > You make many telling points, but:
> > 
> > >b) bosses who use power disparities and implicit/explicit powers to
> > >hire/fire, promote/not promote to unconscionably extract sexual
> > >"favors" in the workplace now being able to classify sexual
> > >harassment and abuse as a "private" matter and "not anybody's
> > >business";
> > 
> > We should acknowledge that people can hardly avoid meeting and developing
> > relationships in conditions of social inequality (some might argue a
> > heterosexual meeting is definitively thus).  We all need friends and we
> > nearly all want sex, right?  And we all live in a hierarchical world, where
> > it is open to one to exploit the systemic tilt at the expense of the other.
> > So we have a systemic problem, the answer to which need, I hope, not be the
> > denial of human intercourse (yes, even simple 

correction

1998-05-02 Thread Doug Henwood

How embarrassing.

The announcement of the LBO-talk l*st I sent out the other day had a typo
in it, in the TO JOIN section, rendering my advice nearly useless. The
corrected portion follows.

TO JOIN   Write to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> with the command

  subscribe lbo-talk

in the body of the message. Majordomo will respond with an authentication
request, to check that it's coming from a real address, and not a hacked
version of Newt Gingrich's.

Doug







correction!

1998-03-16 Thread Mark Jones

DM1880.2 bn does not equal = $1106bn but $1044 bn, as
the bottom line says. If anyone has a spreadsheet with the exact
currency spot rates, I should be interested to see a more refined
calculation. But the essential point remains: after 17 years of
Thatcherite 'restructuring', UK pc incomes are level with Germany's.
The lesson is not that Thatcherism works, but that German
social-market welfareism doesn't. That applies to France too.
Mark






Correction of: CALL FOR SOLIDARITY ACTION ! (fwd)

1998-02-22 Thread Sid Shniad

> Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 06:16:20 -0100
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Correction of: CALL FOR  SOLIDARITY ACTION !
> 
> GPDI_GERAKAN PENDUKUNG DEMOKRATISASI DI INDONESIA
> SUPPORTING MOVEMENT FOR DEMOCRATISATION IN INDONESIA
> 
> E-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Web-site<http://www.xs4all.nl/~peace>__
> 
> 
> 
> 
> BOYCOTT THE MARCH 7th -11th 1998 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS
> SUPPORT THE REFERENDUM FOR MAUBERE PEOPLE IN EAST TIMOR
> 
> 
> The history of the Indonesian people is the history of the people's
> struggle well known for its perseverance in opposition to all kinds of
> efforts of repression and exploitation in upholding peace and humanity.
> Under the present government, which has been maintaining the political
> repression, corruption and inflationary policies, protest movements are
> growing rapidly. These protests are still going on and are becoming
> widespread and strong. Initiated mainly by the basic sectors of the society
> such as workers, peasants, and urban poor, they now find a
> wider resonance among the Indonesian population. The people believe that
> the struggles of the Indonesian people is the struggle for human rights and
> for  Democracy.
> 
> Indonesia is under military rule; General Soeharto has been president for
> more than 30 years, and his family has been identified as being one of the
> richest in Asia. The military attack on the PDI's headquarters on the 27th
> and 28th of July 1996 shouwed the blody characteristic of the 'New Orde'
> regime. The PRD (People's Democratic Party) was accused of formenting the
> riot taking place soon after the attack. A general crackdown on
> pro-democracy groups began 124
> people were detained on the same day of the event and later PRD chairperson
> Budiman Sudjatmiko and 7 collegues were arrested. And people should not
> forget how Soeharto in 1965, with connivance of western Imperialist power,
> especially the US government seized power through a military coup d'tat
> leading to the killing and the imprisonment of more than a million of
> innocent people. Since then, massacres, illegal arrest, tortures,
> disappearances and other oppresive and undemocratic measures have been
> common practices of the military regime
> against any action of popular resistence. The invasion and accupation of
> East Timor have betryed the spirit and the letter of the Indonesian
> constitution and once again a crime against humanity was commited by the
> Soeharto's fascist regime.
> 
> In spite of repression and terror, the Indonesia people remains committed
> to the struggle for Democracy and a just society. In the last few years the
> people's resistence has gained a lot of strength. Another sign of refused
> to Soeharto's regime is the fact that more people are gathering around the
> figure of Megawati, chairman of PDI, support her candidacy for the
> presidency in march 1998.
> 
> In an atmosphere of economic uncertainty and political crisis, there are
> fears that old and painful divisions in Indonesian society will be exposed.
> The Suharto's regime can no longer hide its crimes behind lies,
> falsification and distortion of the reality of the Indonesian pro-democracy
> movement and the East Timorese pro-Independence movement. The monetary
> crisis has destroyed the myth that the Soeharto's regime has build economic
> miracle transforming backward Indonesia into another 'Asian tiger'. Now the
> price of staple commodities keep rising.
> As result, riots accure everywhere, one after the other. The military is
> obviously unable to handle the riots which are not organized, but a
> spontaneous act by the people. The power of arms (ABRI) cannot stem the
> people, many of whom have lost their fear because of the weight of their
> suffering. ABRI can only turn the issue to become an issue of ethnic
> conflicts which do not threaten the authorities directly. Smoke from forest
> fires in Sumatra and Kalimantan in Indonesia
> created a haze which mixed with air pollution has choked millions of
> residents in Sumatra, the Malaysia peninsula and Borneo. Many people have
> died from smoke, thousands have been treated in hospital and millions of
> others will be badly affected over next few years. Fires have swept through
> more than 80.000 hectares in Sumatra, Kalimantan, and Irian Jaya with the
> potential to spread to 300.000 hectares. Finally, at international forums
> Soeharto is more and
> more isolated. The international community is increasingly aware of the
> Suharto Military regime's brutal acts in its colonization of East Timor,
> oppression of the pro-democratic movement and its conte

Re: correction-Blaut-A.G.Frank

1998-01-30 Thread Max B. Sawicky

> From:  Thomas Kruse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> >In general I see a tendency to let capitalism's 
> >moral crimes and despoilation of the environment 
> >obscure the advances it brought in terms of 
> >productive capacity.  The latter doesn't justify 
> >the former, but the former does not negate the 
> >latter either.
> >
> >MBS
> 

TK:

> OK, yes.  But why the fetishization of "productive capacity".  Here, the

Well, obviously the distribution of economic well-being--the ends
you refer to--is not capitalism's long suit.  It's simply a matter of
noting the limits but also the extent of accomplishment.

> means seem much more important than the ends.  Means: capactity; ends:
> humans, qulaity of life, etc. (sorry for the lapse into moral philosophy).

Sure.
 
> But, one must not assume (you weren't, I suppose) that:
> 
> - in all places in the colonies/neocolonies such "advances" were actually
> occuring
> - or if they were occuring they were doing ANYTHING positive for anyone
> ouside of the enclaves, or even within the enclave in certain instances
> - even as they did occur, they weren't bringing with them horrendous
> externatilities for "the rest", that is those not "advanced" or benefitted;
> in the hinterlands of the enclaves.  Example: when the hinterlands
> (containing ayllus, etc.) for colonial mines were reorganized to supply the
> mines, the people often saw a fall in food security.

I don't disagree with any of this.

Without claiming any expertise, I would venture the suggestion
that the diversity of outcomes in all of the terms you raise cut
against a theory that capitalism uniformly loots colonial areas
to make possible its survival, as per baby Marxism/Leninism.   

> Negate the latter (advances) no; but what the latter were good for in the
> short or long run is open to question.

Nor with this, though I lean to the skeptical on the
'sustainability' critique.

Incidentally, I enjoyed your travelogue a great deal.

MBS



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Re: correction-Blaut-A.G.Frank

1998-01-30 Thread Thomas Kruse


>In general I see a tendency to let capitalism's 
>moral crimes and despoilation of the environment 
>obscure the advances it brought in terms of 
>productive capacity.  The latter doesn't justify 
>the former, but the former does not negate the 
>latter either.
>
>Cheers,
>
>MBS

OK, yes.  But why the fetishization of "productive capacity".  Here, the
means seem much more important than the ends.  Means: capactity; ends:
humans, qulaity of life, etc. (sorry for the lapse into moral philosophy).

But, one must not assume (you weren't, I suppose) that:

- in all places in the colonies/neocolonies such "advances" were actually
occuring
- or if they were occuring they were doing ANYTHING positive for anyone
ouside of the enclaves, or even within the enclave in certain instances
- even as they did occur, they weren't bringing with them horrendous
externatilities for "the rest", that is those not "advanced" or benefitted;
in the hinterlands of the enclaves.  Example: when the hinterlands
(containing ayllus, etc.) for colonial mines were reorganized to supply the
mines, the people often saw a fall in food security.

Negate the latter (advances) no; but what the latter were good for in the
short or long run is open to question.

Tom
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Re: correction-Blaut-A.G.Frank

1998-01-29 Thread maxsaw

Bill,

After I responded I realized I may have 
misunderstood what you and LP said.
I agree the colonizer's gain could be more than 
offset by the victimized country's economic 
losses, so that we could say in net terms 
capitalist colonization did not contribute to the 
world's productive capacity.

It could be true at the same time, however, that 
colonization contributed little to development in 
the colonizing nations themselves, owing to the 
small contribution to GNP RD cited.  It seems 
possible on this account that industrialization 
could have proceeded without imperialism, or that 
imperialism cannot be explained without recourse 
to additional factors, some probably not narrowly 
economic.

> Sure, but if you only measure the GNP returns of trade, you are
> missing the big negative on the other side of the balance sheet.  If
> you wipe out an entire continent and only increase your GNP in nominal
> terms by 2% measured by trade with exploited countries, you have not
> addressed what you may have done to their capacity to compete with you
> in the future.  For example, I believe the Bengal region of India was
> highly productive both in agriculture and in textiles, before the
> British arrived.  They wiped it out, and protected their textiles
> and agriculture thereby.

MBS

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