[RBW] Re: Heart's broken, Hunq headbadge fell off.

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I have lost one screw on my custom frame. Does anyone happen to know if 
there is a replacement in the greater world?
Else I will call Rivendell Headquarters for assistance.

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[RBW] Re: 30daysofbiking

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Thank you so much Eunice. 
Yours is a beautiful commentary that reminds me to live every day fully and 
take nothing for granted. 

I shared on Facebook.

Joe in Colorado

On Thursday, May 1, 2014 7:10:32 PM UTC-6, Eunice Chang wrote:

 I thought I'd share my experiences on 30 days of biking last month here:

 https://sleepyneko.exposure.co/30-days-of-biking

 Warning: it's kind of long and well, teary. But if you read it all the way 
 through you might be rewarded with glimpses of Thumper Buttercup, aka 
 Seth's A.H.H., which I tweaked for, er, emergency purposes. :)

 And I meant it when I said thanks for the ride reports. I couldn't imagine 
 riding a bike post-death, and when I could two months later, it was a 
 relief. But your ride reports created an itch so bad I had to absolutely 
 scratch it, fears and grief be darned. My morning coffee rides are really a 
 thing of joy. 

 Anyway, thank you again and keep writing those ride reports. I'll keep 
 pedaling along...

 Eunice


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[RBW] Re: What is the advantage of expensive hubs?

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Hi Jim,

I would argue, cheap hubs work just as well as the most expensive hubs, so 
any modern-designed, clean hub will maximize function. Maintenance of a 
loose bearing hub is ~15 minutes, once a year or so, so I would argue that 
is trivial too. Then it comes down to what appeals to you for its 
cool/bling/status factor. I like interesting different front hubs and have 
an old Mavic and three Suntour front hubs, Rivendell used to sell for $25, 
that I like to look at when I am not riding but am staring at my own bikes. 
I can say I never think about my hubs when I am riding.

I like to put my money into more expensive frames, cranks, rims, tires, and 
saddles  handlebars that fit. 
Chains, hubs, derailers, cassettes, bottom brackets, headsets are where I 
cut costs when needed. 


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[RBW] Quickbeam Squeal and Brakes

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Mine is just another unhelpful data point. I have a green Quickbeam, Tektro 720 
brakes with salmon Kool Stop pads. This setup is quiet and effective. Toe-in 
setup included a dime between the rim  back of the pads.

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[RBW] Re: Squishy Brakes

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One last thing to check Patrick: when you cut the cable housing, did you 
grind the cable ends flat? If there is a burr there it will compress before 
the pads can fully engage giving a squishy feel. Also as someone noted 
here, loose housing will flex. I tie the brake firmly engaged with a toe 
strap around the lever. Then I tape the housing to the bar in this flexed, 
engaged mode. This keeps the housing from flexing, and it can flex even 
under handlebar tape.. If your pads are oriented correctly these two steps, 
housing end grinding, and flexed housing taped to the bars before wrapping, 
will take ALL the squishy feel out of a brake.

On Saturday, May 17, 2014 4:45:40 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 Compared with the brakes on my Hunqapillar, the Quickbeam’s brakes feel 
 squishy. They could use some tightening, but not by much (and are worn 
 about half way). Possible causes I could think of:

 — New pads (these are the stock Tektro pads), I’d put on the kwikstops 
 (qwikstops?).
 — The QB has aero-levers vs. the Hunqapillar’s non-aero-levers. Could that 
 contribute to squish?

 Other ideas? I prefer to start simple first, of course.

 With abandon,
 Patrick

 *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org http://www.MindYourHeadCoop.org*
 *www.OurHolyConception.org http://www.OurHolyConception.org*
  


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[RBW] A few Legolas June rides in western Colorado

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The chameleon that is the Legolas is currently set up in randonneur style. 
With 36/50 12-36 gearing it will climb any paved or dirt road around here 
even with a less than prime motor.  June is a great month to ride the 
Colorado high country with the mud season over for most of the pass, and 
the monsoon thunderstorm season yet to come. I had a plan to climb 
Cottonwood Pass, but haven't made it over there yet. Perhaps early July.
https://www.facebook.com/joe.ramey.90/posts/10204506487481461?notif_t=like

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[RBW] Re: A few Legolas June rides in western Colorado

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I am in Grand Junction Patrick.

On Friday, June 27, 2014 10:08:13 AM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 Great pictures, Joe! You are right, that gearing is perfect for all but 
 loaded single track. You out of Denver?

 With abandon,
 Patrick

 On Friday, June 27, 2014 9:59:38 AM UTC-6, Mojo wrote:

 The chameleon that is the Legolas is currently set up in randonneur 
 style. With 36/50 12-36 gearing it will climb any paved or dirt road around 
 here even with a less than prime motor.  June is a great month to ride the 
 Colorado high country with the mud season over for most of the pass, and 
 the monsoon thunderstorm season yet to come. I had a plan to climb 
 Cottonwood Pass, but haven't made it over there yet. Perhaps early July.
 https://www.facebook.com/joe.ramey.90/posts/10204506487481461?notif_t=like



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[RBW] Re: A few Legolas June rides in western Colorado

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I would like that Patrick. I know a few special local rides.

On Saturday, June 28, 2014 7:23:42 AM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 Beautiful spot, Grand Junction. I'll have to pick your experience for 
 great trails next time we're out that way, likely to play at Colorado 
 Monument or Kokopelli Trail.

 With abandon,
 Patrick

 On Friday, June 27, 2014 9:08:06 PM UTC-6, Mojo wrote:

 I am in Grand Junction Patrick.

 On Friday, June 27, 2014 10:08:13 AM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 Great pictures, Joe! You are right, that gearing is perfect for all but 
 loaded single track. You out of Denver?

 With abandon,
 Patrick

 On Friday, June 27, 2014 9:59:38 AM UTC-6, Mojo wrote:

 The chameleon that is the Legolas is currently set up in randonneur 
 style. With 36/50 12-36 gearing it will climb any paved or dirt road 
 around 
 here even with a less than prime motor.  June is a great month to ride the 
 Colorado high country with the mud season over for most of the pass, and 
 the monsoon thunderstorm season yet to come. I had a plan to climb 
 Cottonwood Pass, but haven't made it over there yet. Perhaps early July.

 https://www.facebook.com/joe.ramey.90/posts/10204506487481461?notif_t=like



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[RBW] Re: Do you ride your drop bars above, at, or below saddle height on your Rivbikes?

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At saddle height, and most often ride on the ramp  hoods.

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Re: [RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

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Interesting exercise. I weighed mine w bags, pumps, repair/patch kits, lights, 
but with no water bottles, in other words as they would be ridden:
1) Riv Road Custom, 61.5cm, standard build w brifters, Carradice saddlebag, 
28mm tires, 26 lbs.
2) Quickbeam, 60cm, with Nitto M12 front rack w Wald basket, medium sackville 
bag, banana bag,  two freecogs on the flip-flop back, JB tires, 30 lbs (wow!).
3) Legolas, 62cm set up in Rando mode with brifters, Nitto M12-like rack and 
Acorn handlebar bag, Carradice saddlebag, Longboard fenders, dynamo hub  
light, 32mm tires,  31.5 lbs.

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Re: [RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

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Five pounds lighter than my Q Phillip. You're killing me here! 

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[RBW] Single bike accident

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Accidents happen. This one though freaked me out just a bit. Maybe a lot. 

It was last Friday, my 58th birthday. Family and work responsibilities had 
kept me off the bike for over a week, so I wanted to ride  there is a 
local century ride looming. After work I did my favorite Grand Junction 
ride up the east, steep side of the Colorado National Monument and was down 
heading through the downtown area to have dessert with friends and family. 
A stick got caught in my front wheel and slammed me to the ground in a very 
low risk riding environment, except for automobile hazards. Read about it 
and see some pictures here on my FB page 
https://www.facebook.com/joe.ramey.90/posts/10204848501951609.
Here is the bike in its unbent mode. 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/79695460@N00/6897752730/

I suppose the moral of this story is please be careful and attentive. My 
faith in my abilities are somewhat shaken. Or at least I am strongly 
reminded that small mistakes can have big consequences. Even relatively 
slow, flat cycling can damage us very quickly. A friend broke her spine 
when her carbon fork blades were sheared off in a similar (but faster 
speed) accident.

Now the front fork is bent on my much loved 2001 Rivendell Road custom. 
This frame is just a tad quirky with the rear triangle accepting a 33mm 
Jack Brown tire (without fenders), while the fork has subtly less clearance 
and can't quite clear that tire. I am considering having a local shop see 
if they can straighten the fork, or perhaps take this opportunity to buy a 
new fork that will accept 33mm with clearance. This is my last 'skinny' 
wheel fast road bike though. Other bikes have larger tires and I like to 
ride 28mm tires on this one. I think I will likely keep this fork if it is 
safe. Any thoughts on the fork are appreciated.

battered Joe in western Colorado

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[RBW] Re: Single bike accident

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Thanks all. Oh yes Patrick a good concussion. I was on a 27 second loop for 
more than 4 hours, none of which I remember. My wife is a saint. I am 
taking recovery very seriously, with lots of rest. Not to start a helmet 
debate here, but without my helmet this likely would have been much worse. 
I have been riding a Bell mountain bike helmet for awhile. The visor likely 
saved my nose from damage. The foam is cracked from front to back. I fully 
understand helmets provide only limited protection. I'll take that 
protection thank you. I semi-permanently mount a mirror to my helmets. I 
feel naked without the mirror so the helmet always gets used.

On Tuesday, August 12, 2014 11:54:31 AM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 Ouch! Glad you're OK. How's your head? Were you checked for a concussion? 
 Loosing a tooth can mean one or not, depending on the impact. Prayers for 
 your rapid healing.

 With abandon,
 Patrick

 On Tuesday, August 12, 2014 10:52:57 AM UTC-6, Mojo wrote:

 Accidents happen. This one though freaked me out just a bit. Maybe a lot. 

 It was last Friday, my 58th birthday. Family and work responsibilities 
 had kept me off the bike for over a week, so I wanted to ride  there is a 
 local century ride looming. After work I did my favorite Grand Junction 
 ride up the east, steep side of the Colorado National Monument and was down 
 heading through the downtown area to have dessert with friends and family. 
 A stick got caught in my front wheel and slammed me to the ground in a very 
 low risk riding environment, except for automobile hazards. Read about 
 it and see some pictures here on my FB page 
 https://www.facebook.com/joe.ramey.90/posts/10204848501951609.
 Here is the bike in its unbent mode. 
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/79695460@N00/6897752730/

 I suppose the moral of this story is please be careful and attentive. My 
 faith in my abilities are somewhat shaken. Or at least I am strongly 
 reminded that small mistakes can have big consequences. Even relatively 
 slow, flat cycling can damage us very quickly. A friend broke her spine 
 when her carbon fork blades were sheared off in a similar (but faster 
 speed) accident.

 Now the front fork is bent on my much loved 2001 Rivendell Road custom. 
 This frame is just a tad quirky with the rear triangle accepting a 33mm 
 Jack Brown tire (without fenders), while the fork has subtly less clearance 
 and can't quite clear that tire. I am considering having a local shop see 
 if they can straighten the fork, or perhaps take this opportunity to buy a 
 new fork that will accept 33mm with clearance. This is my last 'skinny' 
 wheel fast road bike though. Other bikes have larger tires and I like to 
 ride 28mm tires on this one. I think I will likely keep this fork if it is 
 safe. Any thoughts on the fork are appreciated.

 battered Joe in western Colorado



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[RBW] Re: Rivendell has let me down.

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Oh my do I love this thread. The beginning was painful bit the ending is 
insane. You all are good community.  Reason number 247 I love riding Rivendells.

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[RBW] Helmet recommendations

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I just recently used my helmet, it is showing a crack all the way from 
front to back. So I am in the market for a new one.

My criteria in order of diminishing importance: no tail fin so generally 
roundish, excellent ventilation, fit for large heads (23.5 circumference/7 
1/2-7 3/4), a visor for the sun, easy to adjust, non-bright color (white 
would be ideal), not super expensive, I have used and liked Giros and Bells.

I like the look of the Giro Aspect 
http://velonews.competitor.com/2013/10/bikes-and-tech/reviewed-giro-aspect-helmet_305823
or the Giro Hex http://www.rei.com/product/809812/giro-hex-bike-helmet
or the Bell Stoker 
http://www.rei.com/product/864341/bell-stoker-bike-helmet-mens

I have used the Bell Metro/Citi in the past and liked its features, but I 
found it hot and not well ventilated. I still have a Metro, with its rain 
cover, for cold season riding

Thanks for your thoughts,
Joe in western Colorado 

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[RBW] Re: Great Scenery..Pro Challenge Colorado

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Tuesday's stage travels between Aspen  Crested Butte over Kebler Pass. It 
looks to be a wet day, let's hope with few lightning strikes  little to no 
hail. The 11:10 AM start puts them over the pass in the early afternoon. Not 
good... 

Wednesday's stage, starting at 11:25,  climbs over Monarch Pass to Salida in 
the early afternoon, again with thunderstorms in the forecast.

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[RBW] Re: Helmet recommendations

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Thanks Jon, thanks Garth. I like the look of the Trinity but really want a 
visor. I will check out the Bishop.

On Sunday, August 17, 2014 4:50:23 PM UTC-6, Garth wrote:


 If you like the fit of a Giro or Bell, it's a good bet you'll like another 
 . These Giro's looks nice :)

 http://www.giro.com/us_en/trinity.html
 http://www.giro.com/us_en/products/men/helmets/urban/bishop.html



 On Sunday, August 17, 2014 3:14:16 PM UTC-4, Mojo wrote:

 I just recently used my helmet, it is showing a crack all the way from 
 front to back. So I am in the market for a new one.

 My criteria in order of diminishing importance: no tail fin so generally 
 roundish, excellent ventilation, fit for large heads (23.5 circumference/7 
 1/2-7 3/4), a visor for the sun, easy to adjust, non-bright color (white 
 would be ideal), not super expensive, I have used and liked Giros and Bells.

 I like the look of the Giro Aspect 
 http://velonews.competitor.com/2013/10/bikes-and-tech/reviewed-giro-aspect-helmet_305823
 or the Giro Hex http://www.rei.com/product/809812/giro-hex-bike-helmet
 or the Bell Stoker 
 http://www.rei.com/product/864341/bell-stoker-bike-helmet-mens

 I have used the Bell Metro/Citi in the past and liked its features, but I 
 found it hot and not well ventilated. I still have a Metro, with its rain 
 cover, for cold season riding

 Thanks for your thoughts,
 Joe in western Colorado 



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[RBW] Re: Helmet recommendations

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Thanks for your input folks. I went to two LBS's  found nothing that fit well, 
had a visor,  no tail. At my local REI I found the Bell XLP that fit all my 
needs including my big head. Bonus, it cost $40. I was willing to spend 4x that.

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[RBW] Re: QB BB spec

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I recently had a creak from the BB area of my self-built Quickbeam. I 
checked the crank arm bolts, then the chainring bolts. Finally I tigthened 
the pedals and heard the familiar creak. My beautiful one-owner 1986 Dura 
Ace right crankarm was cracked at the pedal threads... sniff. 

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[RBW] Re: QB BB spec

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103mm is what I used  it gave a perfect chainline.

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[RBW] Re: under-sizing

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I did just that and have regretted it. Here's why. If I am riding rough 
trails I use a real offroad bike. By real I mean a bike that will take 2.4 
to 3.0 inch tires, like a Karate Monkey, Pugsley, or Salsa Ala Carte. I 
don't mean boingy boingy. The AllRounder most often gets ridden on pavement 
and dirt roads that don't need the crotch clearance.  The extra seatpost 
and EXTRA quill don't look good to my eye, still to this day.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/79695460@N00/2768501564/




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[RBW] Re: Frankenstein Bike

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It's alive! Yes it is. We know that's a great bike.

When in doubt, assume the best of folks.

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[RBW] Re: Bosco Bullmoose opinions

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I haven't used a bullmoose type bar since the 1980s. I personally don't see 
the advantage of having the stem and bar welded together. I at times change 
bars on my offroad bikes and different bars require different length stems. 
I suppose if the bullmoose stem-bar system happens to work for you, well 
great. I prefer more adjustability.

Joe and I love to adjust/assemble my threadless front ends with just one 
5mm allen Ramey


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Re: [RBW] Bike and Hatchet First Aid

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Nice post Anne. Thanks.

On Saturday, October 18, 2014 9:20:34 AM UTC-6, Anne Paulson wrote:

 You shouldn't need a tourniquet for an axe wound to the knee! 
 Tourniquets are for extreme situations like amputations. If you use 
 them in non-extreme situations, you may well end up with an 
 amputation. 

 I just recently took a Wilderness First Aid course (highly 
 recommended). The instructor was clear. Direct pressure works. If it 
 isn't working, you're not doing it right. So I say, direct pressure 
 for bleeding. For extreme situations (femoral artery) maybe quick 
 clot. 

 So I say, leave the tourniquet out of the first aid kit. It's more 
 likely to cause problems when improperly used than it is to help. 

 Here are some other things to consider putting in the kit, since not 
 all emergencies are wounds: 

 Aspirin, for suspected heart attacks. Yes, really, it makes a difference. 

 Benadryl, can be *lifesaving* in the case of severe allergies; 
 everyone who carries an EpiPen should also carry benadryl, because the 
 EpiPen only works for twenty minutes and you need to get control of 
 the allergic response. 

 Ibuprofen, I'd put it in the kit just because I use it so often. 

 Another funny but necessary thing we had in our practice emergency kit 
 was little packets of honey. That also can be lifesaving for diabetics 
 with hypoglycemia. Probably not necessary for urban first aid though. 

 In our First Aid class, we learned that the first thing to do when 
 confronted with a potential first aid situation is Take a deep 
 breath. The second thing is Survey the situation and make sure it's 
 safe to go in. The third thing is Put on your gloves. 

 On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 7:52 AM, Tony DeFilippo vpi...@gmail.com 
 javascript: wrote: 
  Since early August I've had or have been close to others with some bad 
 luck on the bike and using a hatchet... I've been over the handlebars twice 
 and then this weekend a good friend put one of my axes (fiskars x15) into 
 his knee while splitting wood.  All's well in each case thank goodness 
 though two out of the incidents involved the emergency room and the Axe 
 wound required an ambulance. 
  
  Prevention of these incidents is definitely worth discussion and I've 
 given each allot of thought in that regards but the recent issue with the 
 Axe really has me thinking hard about my first aid kit for the woods and 
 while on the bike...  We were lucky to have several level headed people 
 (couple of eagle scouts!) And the materials to improvise a tourniquet and 
 compression bandage. 
  
  So as I've been pouring over trauma kits for my truck and campsite I 
 also started thinking that as a nearly every day commuter I should have 
 some kit with me on the bike just as I have repair tools for the bike. 
  
  The things I'm thinking of so far include; 
  
  -wound cleaner, alcohol wipes? 
  -antibiotic ointment 
  -sterile gauze bandages (typical road rash size) 
  -conforming wrap or athletic wrap or medical tape 
  -triangle bandage 
  -small assortment of band aids 
  -rubber gloves 
  
  Would the following be overkill; 
  -CAT style tourniquet 
  -quick clot sponge or bandage 
  -'Israeli' style compression bandage 
  -trauma shears 
  
  The scenario for this kit is urban commuting with professional emergency 
 responce time of 10 min or less, cell service at all times and the level of 
 training I have is relatively basic. (Scout and basic military level).  Oh 
 and it needs to fit in either a large saddle wedge, frame bag or other such 
 unobtrusive, stays on bike type location. 
  
  What, if anything, do you guys include in your on bike kit? 
  
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[RBW] Re: Surly after Riv

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I just heard this story on NPR today about copying of styles within the 
fashion industry. The article makes the point that copying is important to 
the inovation that goes on in the fashion industry:

New styles appear, they become widely copied [and] the copying signals 
that a trend has taken hold, he says.

People buy into that trend, he says, because they want to be in fashion. As 
the copying continues, the early adopters see the rise of imitators and 
jump off, and the trend dies, he says. They then jump on the next trend and 
the fashion cycle begins again.

So without copying, paradoxically, the fashion industry would be smaller 
and less innovative and poorer, he says.


So perhaps the bicycle and fashion industries share this feature?

http://www.npr.org/2014/10/19/357356041/bucking-the-fashion-trend-converse-kicks-up-a-fuss-about-knockoffs?utm_source=facebook.comutm_medium=socialutm_campaign=nprutm_term=nprnewsutm_content=2043

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[RBW] Re: Winter Riding Pants

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I give this answer to this question every year.
 The best winter active pant is from XC Sporthill, their cross country ski 
pant. Period, no debate. :-)
http://www.sporthill.com/products2011.php?ProductGroup=2100
I use these for riding, xc-skiing, and hiking into the 20s. They last for 
many years (decades? I'm on my second pair since 1996), stand up to saddle 
wear well. Wash easy and dry quick.

They have a new (to me) pant with 'wind panels' in the front
http://www.sporthill.com/products2011.php?ProductGroup=2850

For temperatures ~5-20F I add some synthetic fishnet knickers underneath by 
Brynje of Norway. 
http://www.nordiclifeuk.co.uk/index.php/brynje-home?gclid=CLKrpo6OvsECFcKHaQodO18A-Q

For temperatures at or below zeroF, I add a nylon shall pant that has 
zippers up the side of the legs.

On top I use a similar system (Brynje fishnet under Sporthill 3SP under a 
nylon zip shell for the coldest skis/rides). 
Or I use a Sporthill 3 SP top under a Ibex Breakaway jacket for windy cold.
 http://shop.ibex.com/Wool-Clothing/Mens-Vests-Jackets/Breakaway-II-Jacket

I use wool socks, hats and balaclava. 
Gloves go from thin to thick to mittens. I have a pair of ski over-mitts 
that fit nicely over my gloves and ski pole straps. 
Boots get over-boots around 10F. Thicker socks are counter-productive and 
colder.

MUSA pants don't even cut autumn temperatures. Thin, slick nylon doesn't 
trap warmth and feels unpleasant against the skin. And my hairy legs build 
up static in them; yuck. 

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[RBW] Re: Winter Riding Pants

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Hi Kieran,

I have only the tradiitonal Sporthill XC pant and love love them. They 
breathe very well and block much but not all wind. They are warm when wet. 
I am leery of clothes that block the wind. If I want wind block, I add a 
wind shell on top.

Thanks for bringing up the Long sizing. I am 6ft with an 89 PBH so use 
pants with a 33-34 inseam. With the XC Sporthill pant, the Large Long size 
fits me well.

Joe in western Colorado Ramey

On Tuesday, October 21, 2014 10:32:51 AM UTC-6, Kieran J wrote:

 Hey Mojo - these look great. I always like seeing MD-Tall sizes! And I 
 like the tapered leg and slim cuff.

 Do you have both versions of the pants? Is one heavier/thicker than the 
 other?

 KJ


 On Tuesday, October 21, 2014 12:14:39 PM UTC-4, Mojo wrote:

 I give this answer to this question every year.
  The best winter active pant is from XC Sporthill, their cross country 
 ski pant. Period, no debate. :-)
 http://www.sporthill.com/products2011.php?ProductGroup=2100
 I use these for riding, xc-skiing, and hiking into the 20s. They last for 
 many years (decades? I'm on my second pair since 1996), stand up to saddle 
 wear well. Wash easy and dry quick.

 They have a new (to me) pant with 'wind panels' in the front
 http://www.sporthill.com/products2011.php?ProductGroup=2850




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Re: [RBW] Re: Winter Riding Pants

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Yes Joe, you are right. I bought the originals. I didn't know there was an 
updated version. 

On Tuesday, October 21, 2014 10:36:53 AM UTC-6, joe b. wrote:

 ​
 On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 9:14 AM, 'Mojo' via RBW Owners Bunch 
 rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript: wrote:

 [...]
 MUSA pants don't even cut autumn temperatures. Thin, slick nylon doesn't 
 trap warmth and feels unpleasant against the skin. And my hairy legs build 
 up static in them; yuck. 


 ​Good tips Mojo. Sporthill has a nice size range, too. Rachel wore a tiny 
 pair all winter commuting back in Montana. Your MUSA description sounds 
 like the original pants. They were/are amazing hot weather sun pants for 
 me. Also some of the best wet wading fishing pants I've used as long as the 
 brush isn't too prickly. I'm still nursing along my old pair years later. 
 The newer MUSAs I've tried were lots thicker, stiffer, and warmer.

 best,
 joe broach
 portland, or​




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Re: [RBW] Re: Winter Riding Pants

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Thanks Patrick and Joe. Obviously I need to stay up-to-date with the 
fashion trends at Rivendell!

On Tuesday, October 21, 2014 1:03:57 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 Mojo,

 I have the updated MUSA knickers and they are great down to about 20˚F 
 before they need wool tights under them. I've hairy legs also and have 
 never had a problem with static or them feeling strange against my skin. 
 But I'm an odd ball. Grin.

 With abandon,
 Patrick

 On Tuesday, October 21, 2014 10:42:50 AM UTC-6, Mojo wrote:

 Yes Joe, you are right. I bought the originals. I didn't know there was 
 an updated version. 



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[RBW] Re: FIRST RIDE ON MY B-17 standard

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 Paul,


I too use Noodles at B17 height. Hard efforts in the drops and a flat to 
semi-flat back *never* have me thinking about my butt. Its always my lungs 
and legs that are screaming. 

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[RBW] Re: These ones go to 11, again

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Good Lord! $350 for an 11 speed cassette! 
If you scroll down, the price of the 10 speed cassette drops to a merely 
expensive $170. 
The 9 speed cassette drops non-linearly to $40.
Following this ratio further, they should pay me to take their 8 speed 
cassettes.
And I could retire if they gave me a 7 speed!

On Tuesday, October 21, 2014 11:17:13 PM UTC-6, Jim Bronson wrote:

 http://www.jensonusa.com/Shimano-XTR-M9000/Shimano-XTR-CS-M9000-Cassette 

 11-40! 

 May have to more seriously consider that 1x11 setup.  Well ok maybe 
 when they release a normal price version of this, that is. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Lower trail fork for Ram?

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Patrick

The handling symptoms you describe were what I was experiencing with a 
couple of high trail bikes that I use to carry loads, a Surly LHT (that is 
geometrically very similar to an Atlantis), and a Legolas. The LHT is my 
truck for camping, grocery shopping, and the like. The Legolas is being 
used as a road/dirt road Rando-style bike with a large handlebar bag and 
35mm tires. I bought replacement forks for both bikes from Tom Matchak 
http://tommatchakcycles.blogspot.com/search/label/Replacement%20Fork 
adding about an inch to the rake and dropping trail from 58-62 to 42 mm. 
The difference was subtle but distinct. Cornering was faster, more 
responsive, less locked-in. Slow uphill wondering disappeared. One benefit 
on both bikes was a loss of toe-overlap with fenders. 

Tom also made a custom rack for the Legolas. It is similar to to a Nitto 
M12 but is wider with a light mount and wire guide to the dynamo hub. Tom 
did a most excellent job with great communication and workmanship. 

Was it worth it? I think so. The bikes ride superbly. They were great bikes 
before. They behave a bit better now under very specific situations, but 
situations that are important to me.


 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Lower trail fork for Ram?

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Pictures of the new forks
LHT:  https://www.flickr.com/photos/79695460@N00/11805914224/
Legolas:  https://www.flickr.com/photos/79695460@N00/10828931806/

On Tuesday, October 28, 2014 8:38:46 PM UTC-6, Mojo wrote:

 Patrick

 The handling symptoms you describe were what I was experiencing with a 
 couple of high trail bikes that I use to carry loads, a Surly LHT (that is 
 geometrically very similar to an Atlantis), and a Legolas. The LHT is my 
 truck for camping, grocery shopping, and the like. The Legolas is being 
 used as a road/dirt road Rando-style bike with a large handlebar bag and 
 35mm tires. I bought replacement forks for both bikes from Tom Matchak 
 http://tommatchakcycles.blogspot.com/search/label/Replacement%20Fork 
 adding about an inch to the rake and dropping trail from 58-62 to 42 mm. 
 The difference was subtle but distinct. Cornering was faster, more 
 responsive, less locked-in. Slow uphill wondering disappeared. One benefit 
 on both bikes was a loss of toe-overlap with fenders. 

 Tom also made a custom rack for the Legolas. It is similar to to a Nitto 
 M12 but is wider with a light mount and wire guide to the dynamo hub. Tom 
 did a most excellent job with great communication and workmanship. 

 Was it worth it? I think so. The bikes ride superbly. They were great 
 bikes before. They behave a bit better now under very specific situations, 
 but situations that are important to me.


  

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[RBW] Re: What is up with Brooks QC?

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I have owned several B17s  a Champon Flyer. All developed their own 
'personality.'  The worst warped B17 lives on a mountain bike. In spite of its 
oddities its super comfortable when I place my butt on it. That said, after 
breaking in a Berthoud (which took awhile)  it is a perfect saddle.

Joe who is checking out Berlin bikes where dynamic hubs are ubiquitos Ramey

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[RBW] OT (grant-related, not Riv-related): lo-carb, high fat protein, ketosis, c.

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I started a low carb diet in fall 2011. I found giving up my sugar addiction 
quite dramatic, but bacon helped. I lost 12 lbs. My blood numbers improved,: 
triglycerides went from 230 to 70, LDL from 36 to 54, LDL remained unchanged so 
my total cholesterol actually increased.. I eat no sugars in the mornings, 
typically eggs veges meat coffee. I eat plenty of full fat dairy  handfulls of 
almonds daily. I never drink sweet drinks (but am having a German beer per day 
on this trip). Cheating is allowed every day  some days I choose not to. 
Hunger is very different, no longer a desperate crash. I carry nuts  jerky 
during aerobic exercise. I no longer honk, just begin to wind down until fat 
levels are topped off. Two friends joined me with this new diet  have had more 
dramatic results.  

I have become strongly convinced that sugar is highly addictive and toxic. 

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[RBW] OT (grant-related, not Riv-related): lo-carb, high fat protein, ketosis, c.

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Stoopid autocorrect... HDL is now in the 50s. And I no longer bonk

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[RBW] Re: struggling with my B-17's

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Recently the emagazine, Roadbikerider.com, had a very favorable review of 
the Selle Anatomica. I can't share it with you as it is now only available 
to premiere (paying) members. I believe it was Fred Matheny who wrote it. 

On Monday, November 17, 2014 8:45:09 PM UTC-7, Don Compton wrote:

 I have been having the usual saddle problems with my B-17's. After 
 longterm breakin, the hump makes long rides impossible for me.
 I finally found a solution, the Selle Anatomica. It just works for me. At 
 2 weeks from 63yo, I just can't stand any saddle discomfort anymore. The 
 Anatomica has solved the problem. I sold all my Brooks and will never look 
 back.
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[RBW] Re: Bar end vs. down tube shifting... What's your experience...

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I will join Andrew here, I love downtube friction shifting. Its simple with 
very fast derailer response to input. There is very little to go wrong. 
Even the entire cable is visible in case it starts to fail. Bar ends are 
great too just not Great. Its not as easy or as convenient as bar ends, by 
a gnat's ass. Just as bar ends aren't as convenient as brifters. Just how 
much convenience do we need? Are we men or are we Devo?! What's wrong with 
having to use a little more finesse?! ...Oh sorry... I feel better now.

All that said, I only have one bike of eight with downtube shifters. Its my 
LHT tank and sometimes I pull it down just because I feel like playing 
fretless. 

On Tuesday, December 16, 2014 10:09:21 PM UTC-7, lungimsam wrote:

 If I love friction  bar end shifting, will I find friction DT shifting 
 just as easy and enjoyable? 

 Never done it before, and seems like the reach may make it more difficult 
 and looks like there's a big potential for knees banging into forearms 
 while pedalling and reaching down to shift  at same time. 

 What's your experience been with DT shifting?

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Re: [RBW] The aftermath of my recent car vs. bike hit and run.

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David, 

We are sending prayers and positive thoughts for your complete recovery.

Joe Ramey  family in western Colorado

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[RBW] Simplifying the Simpleone

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Nice build, great fit, good job Hudson. I think a front rack with a basket 
completes a SO/Q build. The basket is always offering to simply hold our stuff 
while we hop on and simply just ride. My Q is complete overlap with other bikes 
in the stable, but I think I will ride it to the end of my days. 

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[RBW] Re: Rapid Rise rear derailers?

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I have a low normal on my Long Haul Trucker paired with friction downtube 
shifters. I have to admit I still do not transition well to opposite 
motions after decades of high normal usage. I still enjoy the difference 
though. And if the rear shifter or cable ever failed I would have three low 
gears to get to the next bike shop instead of three high gears. 

On Thursday, January 22, 2015 at 2:48:24 PM UTC-7, Jim Bronson wrote:

 Are those the ones that shift backwards?, eg, cable pull puts it in a 
 smaller cog and cable push puts it in a larger cog? 

 I tried searching Wikipedia but I got a bunch of hits about baker's yeast. 
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[RBW] Re: Perfect number of bikes = N?

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I am at a point in my life where I feel the attraction of N-1. With seven 
bikes in the stable, it is time to downsize. The first to go is a 1995 
AllRounder that is being prepared for sale. I bought it small at 58cm for 
possible mountain bike type riding. Now I ride 62cm bikes. Its time for 
someone else to enjoy this bike, and for me to have more garage space. I am 
considering other bikes too. As I approach retirement age, I have come to 
think simple is more joyful, and more can be a burden. 

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[RBW] Re: Fender Frustration

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To play the devil's advocate, we are coming on to the dry season in Colorado 
and SS's clean up mightily easy.

Joe in Grand Junction who has some fettered and unfettered bikes and likes em 
both ways.

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[RBW] Re: BQ to publish study of pedal retention usefulness in Summer issue

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I too was disappointed with the study. By study I thought Jan meant a 
scientific study where a hypotheses was rigorously tested with a repeatable 
methodology that would refine the hypothesis. Instead it was subjective 
with non-repeatable observations of how Jan reacted to a system that was 
different to his own pedal system and possibly his own bias. At the end of 
the short article, we are left with an untested hypothesis that Uphills, 
especially short rises, are easier when your feet are firmly attached to 
the pedals. 

I personally don't disagree with this hypothesis, just like in the past I 
didn't disagree with the hypothesis that tire pressure was directly 
correlated to speed.

I think if Jan had advertised that he had some observations of pedal 
performance or some such wording, then I would have not had an expectation 
of a (scientific) study.

Joe huge fan of BQ and pay for 3 subscriptions Ramey

On Wednesday, June 3, 2015 at 12:07:49 PM UTC-6, Jan Heine wrote:

 I am sorry that there was a misperception that we did a detailed study of 
 pedal retention. We tested a few pedals, both with and without retention, 
 and the results were interesting. Whether a more rigorous study is needed 
 when the results are so clear is another matter. To cite an even more 
 extreme case: Do we also need a rigorous study to prove that a bike with 
 flat tires rolls slower?

 I think it's pretty clear that during normal riding, retention makes 
 little difference. Grant P. is right when he says that you don't pull up 
 much, if at all. However, during short efforts on rolling terrain, it's 
 obvious that you can pull up, and I did realize how much I do pull up when 
 that ability was taken away. On the same bike and the same course, I 
 suddenly needed to shift on the smallest hills, whereas usually, I just 
 roll over them. And getting out of the saddle had no benefit, since I 
 couldn't lever the bike with my lower foot as a fixed point. Suddenly, my 
 power output was limited by my body weight...

 In the article, I compared it to opening the lid of a jar. If you hold the 
 jar with one hand and the lid with the other, you can apply way more force 
 than if you have your friend hold the jar while you turn the lid.

 Considering this, I am not sure I want to put our limited resources into a 
 more sophisticated study.

 Jan Heine
 Editor
 Bicycle Quarterly
 Seattle WA USA
 www.bikequarterly.com

 Follow our blog at http://janheine.wordpress.com/

 On Wednesday, June 3, 2015 at 9:28:39 AM UTC-7, Jayme Frye wrote:

 Received my summer issue of BQ. I am disappointed with the published 
 test. Not that the test does not support my position but that it was a 
 seat-of-the-pants test. I was expecting/hoping for power outputs, VO2 
 charts, lactate threshold kinds of data. This is what I would expect from 
 the BQ crew given all the rigor applied to tire testing. 

 Jayme

 On Friday, May 15, 2015 at 9:23:53 AM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:

 Doubtless of interest to RBW listers. Quoted from the Compass blog for 
 those who don't read it or BQ.

 I'll be very interested myself, as someone hitherto convinced that 
 retention is a great help. If tests show that retention doesn't help, I'd 
 probably still keep retention on my fixed gears, for safety, and because 
 they do undoubtedly allow pulling up for more torque when climbing steep 
 hills, but would undoubtedly switch to platforms for my off road derailleur 
 bike.














 *Jayme Frye says:May 15, 2015 at 6:27 amI was with you up until SPD 
 clipless pedals. I am not convinced there is any need for retention systems 
 outside the ultra competitive world of pro cycling (primarily sprints). 
 Perhaps you could use your testing methods on the claims that pedal 
 retention systems are more efficient and allow the rider to produce more 
 power by pulling up. That would make for a great BQ article.CheersReplyJan 
 Heine, Editor, Bicycle Quarterly says:May 15, 2015 at 6:55 amWe did test 
 this. It’s in the Summer issue, which will come out soon…Reply*

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[RBW] wtb: Rivendell Atlantis - 58cm

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Hi Eric, I am preparing my 1995, first Rivendell  generation, AllRounder for 
sale. It has 26 inch wheels, mid-fork rack mounts, chameleon paint, Reynolds 
753 tubing built in Waterford WI. I am planning on selling it as a bike system 
with 3 Nitto racks, and two sets of wheels, offroad  onroad, new VO fenders, 
Nitto stem, 44cm Noodles, Ritchey Logic triple crank, Schwalbe tires. 

If you are interested I can send you details and pics.  The paint has some 
chips; there is a ding in the top tube. All the bearings have new grease. I do 
not want to sell it at a discount price, but also want it to go to an 
appreciative rider.

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[RBW] Anne on the Great Divide

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Riding the dream, my dream, Anne. I wish you good challenges  adventures. I 
want to follow your journey.

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Re: [RBW] Bag for Front Rack

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I have a black Acorn Boxy Rando bag for sale, $150 shipped. 
Interior dimensions are 9.5 x 5.5 x 7 inches plus two rider-facing pockets 
plus side sleeves.
http://acorn-bag.myshopify.com/products/boxy-rando-bag

Mine was used for two summers and a winter and has been dormant in the 
basement for too long.
It was only replaced for the larger Acorn Tall Rando Bag.
Four pictures starting 
here 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/79695460@N00/18093289568/in/dateposted-public/

It has a bit of sun fade and honest road dust, but it ran on an Nitto M12 
rack with fenders below it, and is in perfect working order.

On Saturday, May 30, 2015 at 5:20:20 AM UTC-6, Ron Mc wrote:

 Acorn once made a mini rando bag and you might find a used one on the 
 forum.  I carry a fold-up spare plus the rest in my small Sackville 
 trunksack.  A couple of leather straps (or toe straps) through the top 
 D-rings will let you roll up and stow a jacket.  

 On Friday, May 29, 2015 at 9:58:14 PM UTC-5, Tim McNamara wrote:


  On May 29, 2015, at 4:02 PM, DS davec...@gmail.com wrote: 
  
  Is there anything like a rando bag out there that is smaller than most 
 rando bags, but bigger than the small trunksack for a front rack? 
  
  I have an Acorn bag. Its great. But bigger than I need. I don't rando. 
 I just need to fit my tools, jacket, snacks, wallet, phone, a lock, etc. 
  
  Hoping for something that is maybe wider like a rando bag, but not as 
 tall. 
  
  Is there anything like that out there? 

 Berthoud Mini 86?  I have one although it actually sounds smaller than 
 what you are describing.  With all the things you mention I’d just about 
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[RBW] For Sale Rohloff-Veloctiy Chukker-DT wheel built by RBW's Rich Lesnick

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This is a 559/26 inch wheel. There is detailed information attached to each 
photo here 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/79695460@N00/albums/72157658172531243  
Price is $1000 shipped to the CONUS.

I bought this wheel from a list member for the same price. It did not work 
in my AllRounder frame with 132mm rear spacing, so I have not ridden it. I 
bought new cables and housing, new cable clips (for routing along frame 
tubes), and cable guides via the brake boss (it already had cable guides 
via the chainstay). I have printed out the owner's manual and mounting 
instructions. I believe I have everything you would need to mount this hub 
on any rim braked, 135mm spaced bike. There is some beausage, light 
scratches on the rim. The wheel is tight and true. 

Please contact me off list.
Thanks. 
Joe in western Colorado

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell models and year they were introduced?

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I have a Waterford-built Allrounder that was built in late 1995 & delivered in 
Jan 1996. It was no where near the first Allrounder. 

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell models and year they were introduced?

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I just went down in the man-cave and found my receipts. A first batch, green 
Quickbeam was delivered June2004. One of the late original Legolas (that had 
been for sale on the website for awhile) was delivered Aug2009.

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[RBW] Re: Do you ever find yourself tempted by brifters?

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I have used Ultegra 9speed that I didn't like much for their hand shape, or 
lack thereof. I switched to Campy 11 speed that matches perfectly with 
Shimano 9 speed derailer and cassette. I like them a lot in spite of my 
aversion to Campy in general. But when I get on my LHT with downtube 
friction 8 speed, I wonder why I fuss with brifters. I like riding a 
fretless bike. So far this season I keep choosing the LHT for road rides 
for its downtube friction shifters (and fenders, and load carrying 
capacity).

Joe Ramey in GJT

On Thursday, December 10, 2015 at 9:05:33 AM UTC-7, Jim Bronson wrote:
>
> I find myself re-thinking my allegiance to bar-ends, because I sweat 
> so much between May and September riding here in Texas, that I gum 
> them up fairly regularly. 
>
> Then something like this comes up. 
>
> http://www.nashbar.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?partNumber=YS-ST4600-BASE=10052=10053=-1_source=nashbar_medium=email_content=151210Th_campaign=Products_mmc=Email-_-nashbar-_-151210Th-_-Products_em=jim.bron...@gmail.com=12498453=NjA1MzcwOTY2NDES1=643355659=NjQzMzU1NjU5S0
>  
>
> And I find myself feeling conflicted.  This is only a little more than 
> what Riv sells bar-ends for... 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Last s24o of 2015, sleeping under the stars in the cold!

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I don't want to hijack this thread, but would like to speak to fat bikes 
just a bit from my limited experience.

I bought a used Pugsley in 2011 and have modified it over the years so that 
a Moonlander fork will allow a 5 inch tire up front while the rear is 
limited to 4 inches. I have found the Pug to be a useful quiver bike. With 
its larger tires it allows me to ride through the Dec-Jan-Feb season where 
we often have snow and or ice on the roads and certainly off-road here in 
western Colorado. With 3 inch tires it is a fun, rigid, offroad/mountain 
bike.  

I have found a fat bike allows fun and useful riding on unpacked snow up to 
about 5 inches (snow density dependent). Above 5 inches of unpacked powder 
it is just too much effort to plow, and local/valley skiing becomes 
possible. I have found a 2.3" tired mountain bike does not handle much 
unpacked snow well. I think this is because a fat bike's foot print is much 
bigger of course but also because a fat bike allows low, single-digit tire 
pressures.

I just returned from several days in Crested Butte where we were doing a 
mix of downhill/tele skiing, skinny/nordic skiing, and fat biking. A group 
of fat bikers there has begun grooming trails specifically for fat 
bikes. https://www.facebook.com/CBFatBikers/?fref=ts And the local nordic 
ski area has integrated snow biking into a portion of its 
trails https://www.facebook.com/cbnordic/?fref=ts Riding on these trails 
has not changed my mind on the 4-5 inch of unpacked powder threshold for my 
Pugsley at my weight (185lbs before breakfast and clothing). Riding a fat 
bike on groomed trails is way less fun than sliding around on skis, slower 
with more effort too.

Disadvantage of a snow bike? Wide Q is the main potential problem. It 
doesn't seem to bother me. The Pug allows me to commute and play when there 
is some snow and ice in my valley and fills the activity hole between dry 
roads and deep ski-able snow. And using larger tires on the Pug has made 
off-road bikes with less than 3 inches obsolete for me. Something magical 
seems to happen around 3 inches for dirt and rock, 4-5 inch tires make 
light snow a lot of fun.

Joe in GJT

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[RBW] Any Rivsters in the Vail Valley area?

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Hi Chad, I am about 150 miles down stream in the Grand Valley. If you are ever 
down this way, we could ride through the Colorado NM or some single track in 
the Fruita area. 

PM me at your convenience. 

Best, 

Joe Ramey

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[RBW] Any Rivsters in the Vail Valley area?

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Hi Chad, I am about 150 miles down stream in the Grand Valley. If you are ever 
down this way, we could ride through the Colorado NM or some single track in 
the Fruita area. 

PM me at your convenience. 

Best, 

Joe Ramey

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Re: [RBW] I Bailed Off Flicker

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Deacon,

Do not accept de feet on de flickr!
Sorry, sorry.

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Re: [RBW] Re: What do you consider the ideal tire width for dirt riding?

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I haven't tried Big Apples. I love the Super Motos. 
They measure 63mm wide on a Velocity P35 rim, 58mm on a Velocity Synergy 
rim.

On Saturday, December 26, 2015 at 6:16:17 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com 
wrote:
>
> 3" seems to be the new best thing! 
>
> Hey Joe, how you like the Super Motos compared to Big Apples? Looking at a 
> tandem that can *probably* only fit 2.0", so wouldn't be able to go w/ 
> the SMs as I would prefer. Do they measure a full 60mm width?
>
> On Sat, Dec 26, 2015 at 5:11 PM, 'Mojo' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>> I am with Mike (and his Jones Plus). Off road tire size for me this year 
>> has been 3 inch. For on-road or light dirt I went with performance tires, 
>> the 2.3" Super Motos.  
>> https://www.facebook.com/joe.ramey.90/media_set?set=a.10208278459298399.1210921748=3
>>
>> Joe 'in snowy GJT where tis the season for 4" to 5" tires and yes I will 
>> ride to work Sunday morning with a forecasted low of -6F' Ramey
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 23, 2015 at 9:46:25 PM UTC-7, Mike Shaljian wrote:
>>>
>>> Check out this new offering from Schwalbe, the "Big One": 
>>> http://www.schwalbe.com/en/tour-reader/schwalbe-big-one.html
>>>
>>> I've been running 60-622 Super Motos tubeless on my Jones and they are 
>>> pretty great for gravel and packet dirt. When I can track down some of 
>>> these with the Snakeskin Sidewall I'm going to switch, as it's 150g per 
>>> tire of weight savings and tubeless setup is supposed to be much easier 
>>> with SnakeSkin tires from Schwalbe. They also claim it's the lowest rolling 
>>> resistance tire they've ever made. I would imagine the LiteSkin model run 
>>> tubeless would be the ultimate for a fast and supple fatty for the rough 
>>> roads. I'll be sure to post my thoughts on the Big One when I've given it a 
>>> spin. 
>>>
>>> - Mike
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[RBW] Re: What do you consider the ideal tire width for dirt riding?

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I am with Mike (and his Jones Plus). Off road tire size for me this year 
has been 3 inch. For on-road or light dirt I went with performance tires, 
the 2.3" Super Motos. 
 
https://www.facebook.com/joe.ramey.90/media_set?set=a.10208278459298399.1210921748=3

Joe 'in snowy GJT where tis the season for 4" to 5" tires and yes I will 
ride to work Sunday morning with a forecasted low of -6F' Ramey

On Wednesday, December 23, 2015 at 9:46:25 PM UTC-7, Mike Shaljian wrote:
>
> Check out this new offering from Schwalbe, the "Big One": 
> http://www.schwalbe.com/en/tour-reader/schwalbe-big-one.html
>
> I've been running 60-622 Super Motos tubeless on my Jones and they are 
> pretty great for gravel and packet dirt. When I can track down some of 
> these with the Snakeskin Sidewall I'm going to switch, as it's 150g per 
> tire of weight savings and tubeless setup is supposed to be much easier 
> with SnakeSkin tires from Schwalbe. They also claim it's the lowest rolling 
> resistance tire they've ever made. I would imagine the LiteSkin model run 
> tubeless would be the ultimate for a fast and supple fatty for the rough 
> roads. I'll be sure to post my thoughts on the Big One when I've given it a 
> spin. 
>
> - Mike
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Rapid Rise Rear Der

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I used a rapid rise derailer with friction shifters for several years on my 
load carrier. I could never get the reverse motion to become intuitive. 
This of course after decades of "normal" shifting. I finally, this fall, 
replaced the rapid rise with a normal rear derailer. For now when I drop my 
rear hand to the level, there is just a brief moment of indecision. But I 
am sure I can be cured of my imperfect indoctrination given enough time on 
the lever.

Joe "in GJT where it's all snow bike all the time right now and it was -3F 
for my morning commute and gawd I miss New Mexico" Ramey

On Monday, December 28, 2015 at 12:28:37 PM UTC-7, Garth wrote:
>
>
>  Rapid Rise was doomed before it even started !  If it was such a great 
> idea then why didn't they make all shifting that way, mtb and road ?  ... 
> ___ .  exactly .  Saying it was good for some and not the other 
> right there doomed it.  A solution to problem that didn't exist. 
>

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[RBW] Re: Any benefits to the longer CS's?

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Just to give a counter point to Richard's off-road observations, I have 
found long chainstays to be wonderful off-road. Now I have not ridden a 
bike with 21 inch CS like the 60cm Cheviot, but I have ridden 17 to 19 inch 
CS bikes. I have also ridden Surly bikes with rear dropouts/drop-ins where 
you can adjust your CS length. I have found my climbing ability increases 
with CS length, increasing my ability to keep the front wheel in contact 
with the ground. Interestingly long, 19 inch CS do not inhibit tight 
technical descents. I would agree with Richard that CS length works in 
tandem with other geometry components. I wrote up a review of the long CS 
Jones Plus bike on IBOB. 
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!searchin/internet-bob/review$20of$20Jones$20Plus/internet-bob/v92_t69-FYQ/Mvy7_9-T1WkJ
And Jeff Jones gives a great talk on the design of that bike  
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMkQ7z9Gi7c

On Monday, June 13, 2016 at 5:19:45 PM UTC-6, Richard Rios wrote:
>
> On road they are fine. Very laid back feeling, smooth and what others 
> mentioned. Off road I found I didn't like them so much especially if paired 
> with a long top tube and non swept back bars. My impression was it made it 
> to hard to get the front wheel up to go over obstacles so I ended up 
> plowing through stuff and it had the reverse effect of esentially making 
> the ride rougher...just my .02 impressions based off a long CS proto 
> hunqapillar.
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[RBW] Re: Quickbeam / SimpleOne Sizing?

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I have an 89cm PBH anfd Grant has put me on a 61.5cm road bike. I am 
surprised he recommended a 61cm for you. Anyway I chose a 60cm Q for 
possible off-road riding. I have not found the lower TT to help or hinder 
when off-road. For one thing, this bike probably won't be used in the 
gnarliest (technical single track) off-road riding. Anyway I wish I had 
bought the 62cm. Here is what my seatpost and stem height look like with 
89.2cm PBH. 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/79695460@N00/2760281945/in/album-72157607471577085/

On Saturday, June 11, 2016 at 8:01:33 PM UTC-6, Eric Karnes wrote:
>
> Hi all-
>
> I'm on the lookout for a used Quickbeam or SimpleOne to replace my old 
> Trek as a city commuter. But I have a question about sizing. My Roadeo has 
> a pretty similar bottom bracket height and the 61cm frame fits my 90pbh 
> really well. So the question is, do I go with a 60 or 62 'SimpleBeam?' 
>
> Any thoughts? What are current owners' experiences? Thanks!
>
> Eric
>

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[RBW] Re: Victoria Hypers

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I too took advantage of the sale and ordered 700x38s. I have one on the 
front wheel for three days now and it measures 37.9mm wide on a Mavic MA2 
rim. True to size. Smooth is my initial impression.

Joe in GJT

On Friday, June 17, 2016 at 6:07:32 PM UTC-6, Minh wrote:
>
> Jay, what size did you get?  True to size?

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Re: [RBW] Rivs on the Great Divide Route?

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Anne, what 29x3 tire did you use? The Knard seems quite knobby for mixed 
surface rides and holds onto mud & snow pretty aggressively.

I may be retired in 2017 and the GDMBR is at the top of my to-do list.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Chainstay protector

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Suddenly I am very aware of my inferior chainstay protectors. I don't know if I 
can ride to work this morning

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Re: [RBW] Rivs on the Great Divide Route?

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Thanks Anne. I am used to Chupas and like them a lot.

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[RBW] Re: Dyno light recommendation

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So back to the original question, I used an Edulux I for years and thought it 
was perfect. A few years ago I tried the Edulux II and its much wider beam was 
my new standard of perfect. Lately I mated a Luxos U to an SP hub that allows 
me to charge my phone during the day and has a handlebar switch, and an 
amazingly wide and consistent beam. The Edulux now seem adequate but less than 
ideal. I appreciate the SP hub for its performance, price, and simple light 
attachment compared to Son.

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[RBW] Re: Latest blug....yay for the Legolas.

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I bought one of the last original Legolas. It sat on their sale page for 
several months. I was in my 50s in 2011 (still am, barely) and had no 
desire to race. But I bought the damn frame anyway, because none of you 
did. So really this is all your fault. 

I forgive you. It's my go-to road bike for brisk rides, I think because it 
isn't just a road bike. A Riv Road custom and Quickbeam get a lot less 
miles because of the Legolas. It has seen several changes in setup, even in 
fork rake. The bike seems to have settled into a randonneur style setup 
with fenders, dynamo, front rack and handlebar bag.

I scratched the lovely copper tubing on the left side of the top tube right 
away so I don't have to worry about that anymore. Its a 62cm with a 86.2 
standover height, which gives me exactly 3cm of biological clearance. Grant 
says it is not a tourer, but I will say that credit card extended rides 
with a saddle bag and handlebar bag works well with this bike. 

It's fun, it's nimble, it's responsive, it's recommended.

Here are a few pics I believe I have shared here before:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/79695460@N00/6103298924/in/dateposted-public/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/79695460@N00/4775212992/in/dateposted-public/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/79695460@N00/8084436117/in/dateposted-public/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/79695460@N00/6922766182/in/dateposted-public/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/79695460@N00/7053788581/in/dateposted-public/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/79695460@N00/24772166989/in/dateposted-public/


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[RBW] Re: Jeff Jones in depth on longer wheelbase

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Yes, Jeff does talk fleetingly about chainstay length. The Plus has 19 inch 
chainstays. The longish chainstay make steep climbing a pleasure, exactly 
opposite of what I assumed.

I have a review of the Jones Plus on the IBOB list from last July if anyone is 
interested. I find the bike to be everything that Jeff claims and is my 
favorite bike.

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[RBW] Re: 1X10: How clean it is!

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Congratulations Mike, sounds like you're happy. I seem to want and use a dirt 
low gear around here of 18-21 inches. My flawless 2x9 gives me that with a less 
expensive 9 cog cassette.

So does Big O fenders have a dedicated fender kit for the Jones Plus?

And after 10 months on mine I agree with you, this bike with two wheel sets (& 
fenders) is the proverbial One Bike that Does All.

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[RBW] Re: 50 t rear cog -- Never walk another hill

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Mike, I have been using a Surly OD (offset double) crank on my Jones Plus with 
a Deore front derailer. It has been completely flawless. Same set up same bike 
for a friend, same flawless result. Maybe we can save your current setup? 

PM me if you would like.
Joe in GJT

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[RBW] Re: Crack in the Sam headtube??

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Edwin, I have had two frames crack at a headtube lug, both frames built by 
the same frame shop. I rode them for weeks in that condition including a 
long race that included a significant mountain climb and descent. That is 
how young and dumb and poor I was. My point is you are probably alright for 
the short term, but you might want to get it checked reasonably soon.

Joe in GJT

On Sunday, March 6, 2016 at 3:27:28 PM UTC-7, Edwin W wrote:
>
> I was performing a very rare bike cleaning and saw a bit of a chip in the 
> paint of the headtube on my Sam. It is a 60cm, single top tube orange one 
> with side pulls, if you are interested. I am the second ownder and have put 
> 5000 or so miles on it over the last three years.
> Can you all take a look at the two photos posted here 
>  and 
> let me know what you think?
> Is it a crack? Yes, it looks like that. It is right where the point of the 
> lug is, which must add some kind of stress? Metallurgists and engineers 
> please chime in.
> What to do about it? Replace the head tube? What size of a job is that? 
> Does every city (even a not very bikey city like Nashville) have someone 
> who could do this?
> Any other wisdom would be appreciated.
>
> Why does steel have to be THIS real?
>
> Edwin
>

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[RBW] Re: 50 t rear cog -- Never walk another hill

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Mike, I am on a 2x9 setup with a new fangled clutched rear derailer, 12-36T 
cassette. I have used both 23/36 and 26/39 up front.

Joe in GJT

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[RBW] Santa Fe (half) century?

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Well Patrick perhaps Sunday is still your day to do 50 miles. When was the last 
time you made your way through town and out to Tijeras? Then north or south 
from there are glorious. The climb and decent will allow to run through all 
three gears to try them in the wild, so to speak.

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[RBW] Re: FS: Silver Shifters

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I have a pair too, in original Rivendell packaging. How about $45 shipped for 
RBW folks, or $50 if you're not a member of this group. :-)

Joe in Grand Junction

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Re: [RBW] Re: Any benefits to the longer CS's?

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I have saved chain fragments from decades of riding on bikes with too short 
chainstays. If anyone needs chain fragments for 7/8 or 9 speed chains to get 
started I can mail them. No cost. But it'll probably be the slow mail choice.

Joe in GJT

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[RBW] OMG! Egg misguidance from Rivendell

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No no no! Like a high trail bike climbing at 4 mph, my egg boil method veers 
wildly from Will@Riv's advice in the email that came today. Never drop a cold 
egg into boiling water unless you want it to crack and bleed whites into the 
water. Now my method is modified by living at 5000 feet. But I place cold eggs 
in cold water then add heat. When boiling starts I time for 4 minutes for soft 
boiled eggs that look similar to the egg in the email. Seven minutes firms the 
yoke but not into the 'hard boiled' category. At the end of the 4-7 minutes, I 
come back into Riv agreement with an ice bath. 

Joe "who has eaten about 5000 eggs since I went low(er) carb in August 2011 and 
only my HDL cholesterol numbers are higher" Ramey

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[RBW] FS: NIB Tektro CR720 cantis silver

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Hi Kyle,

I am having trouble sending you a private message. I would like the CR720s.
Please email me at gjtramey (at) gmail dot com.

Thanks,
Joe in GJT Colorado

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[RBW] Re: Legolas/Roadeo Owners: Threadless stem size vs quill

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Jay,

To copy the cockpit position from the Homer to the Legolas, you need to 
make one adjustment. Subtract one cm from your Legolas stem before you 
compare and compensate for different top tube lengths. In other words, the 
one degree steeper seat tube angle on the Legolas has taken up roughly 1 cm 
of effective top tube length. In other-other words, your saddle will be 
roughly 1 cm further back on the Legolas' seatpost to achieve the same leg 
to crank position.

Joe "with a Road Custom and Legolas that have the same 58cm top tube length 
but two different stem lengths" Ramey

On Monday, January 23, 2017 at 12:17:33 PM UTC-7, Call Me Jay wrote:

> I'm building up a 57cm Legolas soon with a threadless steerer.  My 58cm 
> 650b Homer and second hand 57ish cm Custom has 90mm quill stems and Noodle 
> bars.  They fit like a glove.  Should a go with another 90mm or longer 
> length because the angles are different or given the sportier geometry of 
> the Legolas?

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Re: [RBW] Re: dynamo light decisions: Lumotec or Edelux?

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Peter, could you direct me to the co-axial connectors on your website? I can't 
seem to find them.

Joe in GJT

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[RBW] Snowy Ride Report

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Thanks Michael. One enjoyment I get from RBW & IBOB lists is getting an idea of 
bicycle life in other environs. I have always lived in small to medium western 
towns, except for a year each in Portland OR and Daegu Korea. So NY NY is 
exotica for me. Looks like a fun ride.

Joe in GJT where it reached 69F today and the snow is melting off our local ski 
mountain.

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[RBW] Re: Legolas/Roadeo Owners: Threadless stem size vs quill

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Neither head tube angle nor BB height will directly effect stem length.

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[RBW] Re: What pressures do you run your Ruffy Tuffy 28's at?

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Tire pressure is a function of your bike-system+motor weight. Mine is 
around 30-35+185-190 or 220lbs. Using Frank Berto's tire pressure chart I 
pump my 28mm rear tire up to 90-95 and front 80-85 then don't refill for 
several weeks. I seem to feel the need to refill around 75psi.

I have found the Ruffy Tuffys to ride quite harsh, so much so that I no 
longer ride them. I have some Ruffy Tuffy Speedblends I should sell. 

I am near the point in my riding and viewpoint where 28mm are just too 
narrow. Over the last decade I have culled my herd of too-small frames, 
tubular tires/wheels, road-style cleats, and perhaps soon bikes with less 
then 32-35mm tires. My how times change!



On Monday, August 29, 2016 at 5:00:12 PM UTC-6, Lungimsam wrote:
>
> Also, how does the ride compare to other 28's you have ridden?
>
> Just wundrin'. Thanks for the info.
>

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[RBW] Re: What's in Your Cockpit?

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Eric, like you my headlights have migrated down to near tire height. 
Cyclometers have mostly gone away and I have not moved into the GPS world. 
My rides are now mostly number free (except an occasional timed climb up 
the local four mile hill) and I love it. My Jones bar bikes both have a bag 
 that holds arm 
coolers (this time of year), cell phone, snack, pepper spray.

On Monday, August 29, 2016 at 6:37:23 PM UTC-6, Eric Norris wrote:
>
> My Riv Road: Steel, leather, friction shifting ... and a bunch of 
> electronic gear. Even the headlights are electronic. 
>
> What's in *your* cockpit?
>
>
>
> –Eric N
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Ride Report-- Mini tour of SW New Mexico and SE Arizona

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Congratulations John for making your adventure happen!  I have been in the 
Chiricahuas just once fighting the Horseshoe2 wildfire in 2011. They are 
special mountains.

I like your thought that you packed for your fears instead of your 
confidence. Your bike bags look small enough, it doesn't appear you 
overpacked to me. I see you took a cookstove. What items, beyond the 
normal items like sleeping bag & tent, worked for you and what would you 
leave behind next time?

Thanks for sharing,
Joe "who should be on an adventure of his own in the first month of 
retirement but is reading about others' adventures instead" Ramey in GJT

On Friday, October 14, 2016 at 12:01:02 AM UTC-6, John M wrote:

>
> For years I have wanted to make a bike tour out of the quiet backroads and 
> hidden corners of SW New Mexico where I live.  But a whole litany of 
> excuses, both real and imagined conspired against it—didn’t have the right 
> bike, too hot, too windy, too little water, not enough time, not in good 
> enough shape, not safe to go alone, and on and on and on.  This year I 
> became the new owner of a barely used Hunqapillar and resolved to make it 
> happen.  About a month ago I sketched out a rough plan and started putting 
> touring equipment together.  Last Thursday after spending way too much time 
> agonizing over the final details and packing for my fears instead of my 
> confidence, I locked the front door and soft pedaled through town headed 
> south towards the bootheel of New Mexico, destined for the Chiricahua 
> mountains just over the border in Arizona. 
>
>
> I figured I could do 50 miles per day, with a mix of dirt and 
> pavement—though I haven't had many rides over 15 miles in the last few 
> years.  More worrying than my ability to go the distance was the 
> resupply—mostly of water, but also food.  Water, like towns,  are scarce 
> out here and I planned to pack enough supplies to ride straight through 
> each day without needing to count on uncertain water sources (cattle tanks) 
> or stores that might be out of business or closed for the day.  I spent 4 
> days touring, camping in Forest Service campgrounds or just out in the wide 
> desert on BLM land.  
>
>
> Pictorial highlights here:  Flickr photos 
> 
>
>
> Route info here: Plotaroute 
>
>
> Other than the Chiricahua mountains which are justifiable famous among 
> bird watchers (Trogons!) and outdoorsy folk, it was wonderfully desolate 
> out there.  Ranch trucks and the Border Patrol were about the only other 
> travelers on the roads.   On one 20 mile stretch of dirt road, I spent 
> three hours spinning away in the small chainring, climbing in and out of 
> small drainages without a car passing me, or even having one in sight.  
>
> The bike did wonderfully—no mechanical failures or tire punctures.  I had 
> converted the Racing Ralphs to tubeless about a month ago to make sure they 
> would be reliable.  I still didn’t trust them completely and rode pretty 
> cautiously to prevent failure out in the boonies.  The bike came with the 
> Albatross handlebar, and though I am more used to riding with drops, the 
> Albas were fine.  I definitely missed the lack of *comfortable* hand 
> positions but they certainly didn’t prevent me from finishing the trip or 
> having a good time. 
>
>
>  
>
> john
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] FS: 62 SimpleOne

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John, I have an 89.2 PBH and happily ride a 62cm Legolas. Grant chose 61.5cm 
for my Riv custom road frame.

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[RBW] what skewer please?

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I've got a Shimano (Ultegra?) in my SP D8 hub. I think I've also used a Mavic & 
Campy at times. No problems.

Joe in GJT

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[RBW] Re: FS: Brooks Saddles, Pauls, SRAM, etc

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Hi Phil, 

I will take the Paul Touring canti pair if still available.

Thanks. 
Joe in GJT 81506

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[RBW] Re: my sp dynamo hub is unreliable

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My SP hub has been in near daily use in rain, snow, sun, dust, for a year 
now with flawless performance. 
Perhaps your wire contacts are imperfect? 

On Saturday, October 15, 2016 at 7:04:38 PM UTC-6, joe kelly wrote:

> i should mention, when it does work, the lights are bright and are 
> functioning as they should; they work great! 
> thanks again
> joe
>
>
> On Saturday, October 15, 2016 at 8:58:34 PM UTC-4, joe kelly wrote:
>>
>> when i use the quickbeam with the sp dynamo hub, the hub malfunctions and 
>> produces power for the lights. about two thirds of the time this happens. i 
>> only ride about once a month. have any of you had similar disappointment 
>> with this hub? i am using all riv bought parts. eyc headlight and toplight 
>> taillight.
>> thanks
>> joe kelly
>> columbus ohio
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Extreme long johns...

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I have used Brynje brand fishnet for many (more than 20?) years. Works great 
for xc skiing. I use a short sleeve top and knicker bottoms. It's a Norwegian 
company instead of Colorado though, and the prices reflect that. 
http://www.brynje-shop.com/index.html?language=en

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[RBW] Best handlebar width on a 61 Atlantis?

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John, I ride Noodles and 61/62cm frames too. I have 44cm Noodles on 4 bikes but 
46 on my Surly LHT, a poor man's Atlantis. For years I have thought of pulling 
the 46s and trading here for some 44s. But lately the 46s have been feeling 
rather pleasant. I'm not sure why. The LHT has a custom fork making the bike 
low trail. Jan Heine has suggested that low trail bikes are handled better with 
more narrow bars. But for whatever reason I have settled into the 46s. The 44s 
on my go-faster bikes feel more sleek or streamlined. Perhaps for me, at 60yrs 
old 6ft 185lbs, the difference is minutiae.

Joe in GJT

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[RBW] Roadeo Sizing Help

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Grant is The Man. But here is another data point. I am 6ft with an 89cm PBH. 
Grant chose a 61.5cm Road standard for me. And I ride a 62cm Legolas and a 60cm 
Quickbeam (with some dirt riding intended for the Q). I wish the Q was 62 too 
but it's fine.

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[RBW] Re: Jones and Hunq

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Glen, a 26x5" (4.3" actual) wheel fits in the front. But that wheel, from my 
Pugsley needs special, custom-made washers (thanks pal Eric Liefeld, CEO of 
Liefeld Fabrications Inc) to make the 135mm hub fit in the weird 142mm Jones' 
spacing. My primary complaint about the JP is the weird front spacing. Newer 
models have 150mm spacing up front, so now you can possibly buy a really 
expensive Son dynamo hub to fit the bike. The back will take an actual 3.2" 
tire ( a Knard on a Rabbit Hole rim) and no more.

Yes I ride Fruita and Grand Junction technical trails all the time since I live 
there. :-) You would think a long (46 inch or so), wheelbased bike would make 
technical trail riding difficult. It doesn't, really! I don't know why. This 
seems to be widely observed. Turns out long bikes can be nimble.

 I am no great trail rider and the Jones doesn't make me that, but I do clear 
steeper ascents and descents than I do on any other bike. Also the flickable 
front end (relatively unweighted and low trail) helps me do better in rock 
gardens.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Jones and Hunq

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Bill, I wrote a JP review back in July 2015.
https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!topic/internet-bob/v92_t69-FYQ

I am 72.5 inches tall with an 89 PBH. I like my 25 inch Jones Plus. It is big 
for me but that hasn't caused any problems for me. Jeff Jones of similar height 
chooses the 24 but rides both.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Jones and Hunq

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I'll jump in here. I have ridden the Jones Plus for 18 months and a Krampus for 
an afternoon. There is no comparison. The Jones' handling is fast and nimble. 
It climbs like no other bike. The Jones has numerous design features that work 
together for its unique (to me) handling. The shallow head angle, 67.5 degrees, 
and very long rake, 76mm, create geometric trail in the mid 70s. The Krampus 
has a slackish HA at 69 degrees but uses a more traditional rake of 47mm 
(because big rake requires a radically new, or very old, fork design) that 
creates a very sluggish 100mm of geometric trail. The 'upright and back' rider 
position also adds to the Jones' nimbleness.

Then the rear end; the Jones chainstays are 19 inches, the Krampus 17.1 inches. 
I personally am DONE with short CSs. The longer CSs help me keep the front end 
down during steep climbs.

The far out front wheel and the far back rear wheel make for a large sweet spot 
for climbing, and security for steep descents. I agree with Daniel, the Jones 
is in a different league than the Krampus. I love Surly's but not for 29er Plus 
design, yet.

Joe in GJT

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Re: [RBW] Winter Ramble

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Patrick, I have used Ear Bags for years for rides below 40F. Much below 32 I 
add a thin balaclava.
http://sprigs.com/earbags/?gclid=Cj0KEQiAhNnCBRCqkP6bvOjz_IwBEiQAMn_TMWvzt87OR2ayRj7-QT4mhgmprIlRUQumpi8RCTWJZUgaAn9I8P8HAQ

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[RBW] Re: Multi Use Path Etiquette

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I call out "I'm passing on your left." Then nearly immediately ring my bell 
as I approach, with my left hand at the ready on the front/effective brake 
lever. That mostly works.

On Tuesday, December 27, 2016 at 6:33:06 PM UTC-7, Tim wrote:
>
> Do you think it's ok, when riding on the path, if you can pass a 
> walker/runner/family, safely with 3 feet to spare, to go by without 
> warning? That means not saying "on your left" or something else, or not 
> ringing your bell if you have one. I ask because I was riding my Roadeo 
> today (50 degrees here in KC!) and it doesn't have a bell yet. A bell is my 
> much preferred method of warning that I'm there. But I find that many 
> people are startled by a bell just as much as "on your left." Or they have 
> earbuds in and don't here you. Also, my experience with "on your left" is 
> that 50% of the people who hear that, move to their left. I ALWAYS ride 
> with the knowledge that pedestrians have the right of way, NO MATTER WHAT. 
> I give a wide berth to others, really slow down when there's a family, and 
> try to smile and be friendly. But the more I think about it, it really 
> seems to me that a warning of any type only works with about half of the 
> people out there. On the other hand, I passed a woman one day without 
> warning her, she was on the far right and I was on the far left, at least 5 
> feet away, and she was pretty nasty about letting me know she didn't like 
> it. So sometimes it seems like you just can't win. What do you all think?

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[RBW] Reminder: Rivendell Road Standard FS

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I road my Road Standard yesterday for the first time this season. What a 
wonderful bike. It rides comfortably at a casual pace but takes my hard efforts 
well. Just when I think I don't need a pure road bike any longer, this bike 
shows me otherwise.

Joe in GJT

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[RBW] Helpful resources for building a bike at home?

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Max,

How fun! Building your own bike is a joy and source of pride. It will serve you 
into the future as you understand, work on, and repair your bike.

Buy a stand if you want. But you can get by just fine with two hooks in the 
ceiling and cords at the saddle back and stem. No doubt a stand is better, but 
it can wait.

This reminds me of building up my first racing frame back in 1977. Installing 
the freewheel (cursed things, thanks be for cassettes) on my Campy Record hub, 
I cross threaded it! I drove into nearby Denver to have a pro mechanic repair 
the hub. I remember the elderly European shop owner shaking his head and 
telling me I didn't deserve to ride such nice equipment. :-} The hub lasted 
through 15 years of hard riding, holding the freewheel with just a few threads. 
I tried to earn the right to ride Campy components.

So you may make mistakes but you and the bike will survive. A paint chip or two 
will be badges of mechanical courage and will allow you to ride it out in the 
real world with less trepidation. Let a shop install the headset and bottom 
bracket. Have fun!

Joe in GJT

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[RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

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>
> My N has been stable at 8 for awhile which is too many. Luckily for me D 
> is apparently greater than 8 but it is possible D = 9 so I am not pushing 
> it. I think that my preferred N should be closer to 4, but I seem to be 
> having a hard time downsizing. There is one main reason for this, I keep 
> changing. My changes:1) I just retired so there is no need for a commuter, 
> but I still run errands and shop on a bike so that type of bike is 
> "necessary."  2) After being a roadie for decades, I am becoming more of a 
> dirt rider. The auto driver hoards win, I don't want to go like 
> Mike Hall last week, so most of my rides for fun and fitness are now in the 
> dirt. 3) Finally after racing in the 1980s-1990s and holding on to that 
> type of riding (hammer, paceline, performance, light-weight bikes, hard 
> tires) into the oughts, I now am more interested in touring (like my 1970s 
> cycling origins). So my bikes in order of importance at this time:
>
 
1) Jones Plus 
 
 
it is the bike I would grab in case of a house fire.
2) Legolas 
 
because 
of its versatility as a go-fast, a randonneur, as a multi-surface or gravel 
bike. It currently has fenders, M12 rack with Acorn h'bar bag, Son dynamo 
with Edulux.  It also has a Tom Matchak 
 low-trail fork, seen here 

.
3) Surly LHT 
 
this was my commuter and is still my load carrier. Why do I love this low 
cost bike? Well it too has a Matchak low-trail fork, and SP & Luxos U 
lighting system, Tubus racks, Ritchey Logic crank, so it is not so 
inexpensive. It also is the only bike with (Mavic) friction downtube 
shifters that I still love. This bike can do so much and adventure is 
written all over it.
4) Rivendell Road Standard 
 
designed by Grant, built by Curt, painted by Joe this is a go-fast bike 
that isn't as versatile as the Legolas. But man it just fits beautifully 
and I still love it. It is the bike I chose for Ride the Rockies in 2014. 
It is my only bike with caliper brakes, lugged stem, a lovely TA crank, 
Noodle bars (like all my drop bar bikes), Campy brifters mated to 9 speed 
derailers and cassette. 
5) Surly Pugsley 
There
 
are better fat bikes now. But I have it heavily accessorized (Moonlander 
fork, Son-Edulux, BigO fenders 
) 
and I just love the way it rides. It is my backup dirt bike but doesn't 
perform near as well as the Jones in that role. And the Jones is nearly as 
versatile in snow with a 4 inch tire up front.
6) Quickbeam, 
 
1st generation, set up with 5 single speed gears (two chainrings, dingle, 
and a flip flop) and a fixed multi-gear rear wheel 
 
that hasn't been used for years. A SS is fun but also limiting (part of the 
fun!) and could go to someone else. But then I take it for a long ride and 
I just can't bring myself to sell. Maybe in a few ears. 
7) Rivendell AllRounder 1995 
, 
one owner, many adventures. But I bought it at my racing size of 58cm and I 
ride 60-62cm frames now, so its too small. It is my other load carrier with 
26 inch wheels. It has 753 tubing and chameleon (purple and green) paint 
with a top tube ding, 3 Nitto racks (front and rear large racks plus an M12 
that holds an Acorn bag), another Ritchey Logic triple crank, Tektro 720 
brakes. It is a versatile AllRounder with a long quill technomic stem, new 
VO fenders room for 2" tires under those fenders, and rides pretty well on 
the road with Kojak 1.5" slicks. Visiting friends can ride it road or dirt. 
Do I need both 26" and 700c touring bikes? No I do not.
8) Salsa Ala Carte, 26" inch mountain bike, with orange paint, a Pugsley 
100mm hub width fork with a 3" front tire. It should go too but it is quick 
and fast and is currently staying at my wee Mum's home not far from Patrick 
Moore for rides when I am there.

Maybe my N is 8, at least for now. I did give away my loved 1966 Robin Hood 
3 speed and do not miss it, so maybe there is hope for me.

Joe in GJT

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[RBW] Saddles destroying my jeans! Advice?

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I too have found the WTB saddles quite comfortable. The Pure is about 148mm 
across the back (from memory), and like Brooks has a flat back and a fore-aft 
dip. The make four different Pure saddles starting at about $40.

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[RBW] Re: Official Roadini Information

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John, my PBH is 89.2 and Grant put me on a 61.5cm custom road. I have since 
bought a 62cm Legolas. All else being equal, I think the 62 would be your size. 
I can send you pics if you want to see the proportions.

Joe in GJT

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