Re: how do I bounce a message?
Hi Andy, A while ago I posted a similar sort of request - how to bounce? - to the list, but I'm not as knowledgable in the use of headers etc and it was put down as not possible with The Bat! and possibly against my ISPs policy/wishes. A friend uses kmail under Linux and uses the bounce feature it provides. I want to be able to do the same, to ward off those occasional spams that arrive in my 'serious' mailboxes. If you ever figure out a way to make it look truly bounced, please let me (or the list) know. Using The Bat! v1.53d on Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 Regards, Allister. -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[3]: Multiple instances or at least a suggestion?
On Friday, February 8, 2002, 7:58:46 AM, Marck D Pearlstone wrote: To those who use groups to see what I'm talking about create a new group and try to assign the main account you started with to this new group. You won't see it in the list to choose from (at least I don't:) Any help in this area would be much appreciated. It was mentioned in a previous part of this thread. Any account marked as an Administrator cannot be added to a group. Period. So the solution, after creating the new dummy admin, is to use it to then set the original account to 'user'. Then it can be added to a group. Gee, I figured most people would work this out after trying for a couple of weeks. g That's how long it took me to figure it out! Regards, Allister. -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Problem with multiple XP users and The Bat!
Hi folks, I just got me a brand new PC and have installed Windows XP Home Edition. Of course, one of my first tasks was to install The Bat! and this was highly successful (thanks to Backup and Restore functions - aren't they wonderful?!?!) *However*, I have a slight problem. I was logged on as 'me' when I did all this and when I log on as another user and run The Bat! it starts by asking whether I want to create a new account or restore from backup - again. How should I proceed here and keep everything intact? Logging on as me, I have myself and my wife able to view our multiple (each) accounts by logging on with group ids. In the ideal world, it would be nice to be able to default The Bat!s user (group) according to the XP user if possible. Any help would be much appreciated, thanks. -- Allister Jenks. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Problem with multiple XP users and The Bat!
Leif, Thanks for the solution! It's pretty simple and worked just fine. Regards, Allister. Using The Bat! v1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 - Original Message Thursday, September 19, 2002, 12:39:56 AM: - Hello Allister, On Tue, 17 Sep 2002 at 16:29:38 [GMT -0500], you wrote: AJ *However*, I have a slight problem. I was logged on as 'me' when I AJ did all this and when I log on as another user and run The Bat! it AJ starts by asking whether I want to create a new account or restore AJ from backup - again. How should I proceed here and keep everything AJ intact? Logging on as me, I have myself and my wife able to view AJ our multiple (each) accounts by logging on with group ids. If you are comfortable with using the registry, then the easiest way is for you to go to the HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\RIT (while logged in as yourself) and export it to disk. Then log on as your wife and double-click this file. Do this again for any other XP accounts. snip - Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
AVG Plugin - where?
Hi folks, I did the done thing and checked the FAQ and the archive, but for the life of me I cannot find (or perhaps identify) this plugin. I found the ritlabs ftp site but nothing jumps out at me with the letters AVG. I also found a URL in an old post, but it is no longer present. Can somebody please help me out? Thanks. -- Using The Bat! v1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Regards, Allister. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Authentication configuration
Hi folks, Could I ask for a little help please. I just received the email attached below from my hosting provider. After reading the email I thought I'd be able to configure The Bat! to suit, but after taking a look at what I think is the right area I am not so sure! Could someone who knows about such things please help me out by explaining (or giving directions) how TB can address this? TIA, Allister. IMPORTANT INFORMATION REGARDING YOUR MAIL ACCOUNT (PLEASE READ) Due to the ever increasing problem of SPAM and mail server blacklisting, the server your mail resides on is undergoing some configuration changes that will effect every email account on the server. Please follow the instructions below to configure you email client so that it will continue to function properly once these changes have been implemented. Failure to follow these instructions will result in your email account no longer functioning. If you have any questions please contact Technical Support. The Configuration changes will go into effect by 9:00 AM CST Monday December, 2, 2002. To configure authenticated SMTP in Outlook Express: 1. From the Tools menu, select Accounts... 2. Highlight your Mail account (it may be called mail.domain.com). 3. Click the Properties button on the right side. 4. Choose the Servers tab. 5. Check the box next to My server requires authentication. 6. Click the Apply button. 7. Click the OK button. To configure authenticated SMTP in Netscape Messenger: 1. From the Edit menu, select Preferences... 2. Click the plus (+) icon next to Mail Newsgroups. 3. Choose Mail Servers. 4. In the Outgoing mail server user name field enter Username 5. Click the OK button. To configure authenticated SMTP in Eudora: 1. From the Tools menu, Select Options... 2. Click on the the Sending Mail icon. 3. Check the box next to Allow authentication. 4. Click the OK button. To configure authenticated SMTP in Entourage: 1. From the Tools menu, select Accounts. 2. Double-click your Mail account (it may be called mail.domain.com). 3. Click on the Click here for advanced sending options button. 4. Check the box next to SMTP server requires authentication. 5. Select the radio button next to Use same settings as incoming mail server. 6. Click the OK button Above are the instructions to give your users that will explain how to set their mail client for SMTP authenication. sds3342223xl14-W -- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: shortcut for 'Close all Treads'
On Monday, 6 January 2003, at 3:34:19 p.m., Melissa wrote: To close all threads in a folder, use Ctrl+Shift+* Is it me or has this little factoid been missed out of previous discussions on this topic? Anyway, I also discovered, by accident, that using Left-arrow and Right-arrow will collapse or expand one level based on where the cursor is. Be warned, however, that using Right-arrow when the item is already expanded causes a 'page-right' to occur, which can be a little confusing at times! Regards, Allister. -- Using The Bat! v1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I love the Bat , but why can't the Bat allow me to edit HTMLdocuments or read my USENET news groups. Standard Email features
On Saturday, 18 January 2003, at 4:26:55 a.m., Markus Gloede wrote: Those are not standard email features. They have been wrapped into email clients by other companies and they made a bad job at it and have thus set a quasi-standard which led you to believe those are standard features. Amen! There should be an internet license for newbies! They should all start with a 14.4k modem (preferably 1.2k or slower) and have scripted UUCP connections. They would have freeware email and newsreaders (preferably something written about 10 years ago) and have exhorbitant connection fees which are time-based. THEN they would understand how things are *supposed* to work and how easy they have things today. I know plenty of folk who still can't distinguish between the act of connecting to the net (i.e. dialup) and the use of that connection for a variety of protocols (i.e. HTTP, email, IM). Regards, Allister. -- Using The Bat! v1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bat Running Slow
On Friday, 17 January 2003, at 1:55:05 p.m., wrote: Yesterday, I noticed The Bat! running very slow. The messages are downloaded at normal speed, but processing through the filters is very slow. 10 messages take about 15 minutes! I've just taken notice of this thread because of something that just happened. I'd just opened TB! and hit Ctrl-F2 as I always do. Between this and another mailing list, there were 130 messages to collect on this account (others had only a few and completed quickly). When the connection centre showed it was up to message #117, I clicked into the inbox of this account and at *precisely* that moment the whole download process slowed significantly. From 3-4 emails per second (I have 128k ADSL), it slowed to about 3-4 seconds per email! I clicked into a different account but it stayed slow on the download. After it finally finished, I clicked back to this account and all I got was a blank pane for the inbox. I decided to close TB! and it wouldn't. Checking the Task Manager it was taking 97% of CPU cycles. After killing it and restarting in the normal manner, everything appears fine. (Certainly the two emails that had remained in the inbox, that I was going to look at, were still there, along with 10s of others in folders where they had been filtered to. Personally I think it was a timing thing - something it was doing at the instant I clicked on the inbox. I do this all the time and usually have no problems. Just thought I'd add this in to see if it helps. I suspect a bug. Regards, Allister. -- Using The Bat! v1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bat Running Slow
On Wednesday, 22 January 2003, at 12:56:27 a.m., wrote: Was it TB! taking 97% or some other process? In my case Zonelabs started acting up and taking all processor power. Yes, it was TB! taking the cycles, but only when I tried to close it. Regards, Allister. -- Using The Bat! v1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Email restrict
Could be. As I said, it worked here, but YMMV and that's a very good suggestion. Can someone point me to the list of *common*, *accepted* abbreviations for use in emails? BTW, OTOH, IMHO, LOL (even ROTFL) are all old and well used. YMMV? Gimme a break. (GAB?) Regards, Allister. -- Using The Bat! v1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB (v1.62) Conflicts with ZA (v2.6.362) (probable bug?)
On Monday, 2 June 2003, at 7:48:39 a.m., DZ-Jay wrote: Hello: I recently upgraded from the bat v1.61 to 1.62 and I encountered a problem (BTW, great program! still evaluating but plan on registering soon!). If I have ZoneAlarm running and try to do any TCP operation from The Bat!, it will just stall there endlessly. And here was I thinking I should be upgrading. :-O The behaviour is exactly like when ZoneAlarm asks you if you want to allow a program to access the Internet and you clicked on NO, except that it is not asking me. It sounds like ZoneAlarm already thinks it knows the program (how would be an interesting question). Have you checked through all the program definitions in ZoneAlarm to see if there is an entry that could be matching? Usually, when you upgrade an app, you get an 'updated program' alert. Perhaps you managed to bugger it somehow when that came up? Anybody has heard of this problem before? Is there a work around? should I report it as a bug? is there anything I can do? Not had this kind of problem, but am using earlier version of TB! -- Regards, Allister. Using The Bat! v1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Address Book group behaviour?
Hi folks, I have created an address book group with the idea of sending a single email to all members of the group (ie. a mailing list). When I am addressing an email, I can bring up the address picker and by default it shows me all email addresses in my address book. If I select the group at the top of the dialog, the list reduces to only those who are group members. This is all fine. However, when I press F8 to work with the address book I can *either* look at the group and its members *or* the top level of the address book but _without_ the group members. So, in theory, if I had twenty groups and I wanted to browse through the address book to find an email address, I would have to enter potentially all 20 groups to find them. Now I see that TB! allows for addresses to be in multiple groups, so why can't they also show up sans groups? (Ie. it copes with them being in multiple places already.) Also, as I am using the group for a mailing list, how do I deal with the case where one person has 3 email addresses, but I wish to use a specific one (which they nominated) for the maling list emails? -- Regards, Allister. Using The Bat! v1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Address Book group behaviour?
On Tuesday, 17 June 2003, at 7:30:54 p.m., dajabo wrote: There is an option in each group's properties to 'hide except when explicitly selected'. Deselecting this in the relevant groups will make them appear in the top level of the address book. Yes! It works! Thanks! I had seen that option but I did not associate it with that action. I suppose I should have played with them a bit. As far as I can tell (I have one person in a mailing list with 2 addresses) the topmost address in the list is the one used by default. Thanks for this snippet. I think this will be a tenable option, as in other situations I have the freedom to select which address in multiple ways. I guess if you wanted to use a different address by default under different circumstances you could put a separate entry for them in the group list?? Something I had considered and was hoping to avoid, but nevertheless workable. Thanks for your help. -- Regards, Allister. Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Top posting
On Friday, 4 July 2003, at 9:36:30 a.m., Kenneth S. Rhee wrote: ...discussion on top versus bottom (or strategic) posting. ... e-mails using cell phones or smart phones... Aren't we missing the point here? The discussion was regarding *this* mailing list. Given that TB! is not available on cell phones yet isn't this whole discussion superfluous? Or, at the very least OT? -- Regards, Allister. Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: First email client with built in POPFile
On Saturday, 12 July 2003, at 7:10:04 a.m., Carsten Thönges wrote: snip, snip, snip --8---cut here---start-8--- %SetPattRegExp='^X-POPFile-Link: (.*?)$'%- c:\programme\opera7\opera.exe %RegExpMatch(%Headers) --8---cut here---end---8--- snip, snip, snip Well, that's one way to teach a macro-rookie how things work! To quote from the help file: REGEXPMATCH = giventext *NOT* REGEXPMATCH( given text ) Still, I have my filter working now. Main difference being I am using %SUBPATT because I thought that might be part of the problem (and it may be, but I can't be bother going back to check after all that!) Also, WinXP didn't like the full path qualifying the iexplore.exe that I substituted, so I had to do it with a CD first (see below). Finally, I didn't understand the terminal %- on the first line, nor the ? in the parentheses. Neither seem to be required? Phew! Complete (working) template is now as follows: --8---cut here---start-8--- %SetPattRegExp='^X-POPFile-Link: (.*)$' %RegExpBlindMatch=%Headers C: CD \Program Files\Internet Explorer iexplore.exe %SubPatt='1' --8---cut here---end---8--- Thanks for the blooding! :-) -- Regards, Allister. Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: First email client with built in POPFile
On Sunday, 13 July 2003, at 11:34:10 p.m., Marck D Pearlstone wrote: snip Enclosing the command line in double quotes would have cured that with the need for a CD first. snip Thanks for the tips, but for anybody else following this thread, note that the correct syntax is command parameter So, technically, this is not enclosing the *command line* in quotes but enclosing the *command* in quotes. Now, my next problem is that I have four email accounts on which I would like to use this filter, yet it seems to be tied to a single account. Further, you also have to specify a 'from' and 'to' folder and this seems extraneous unless it is an automated filter. For that matter, which filter category should it be under? I have it under 'Read Mail', but does this matter for a manually invoked filter? For convenience, of learners out there, here is my final template with Marck's points taken into consideration. --8---cut here---start-8--- %SetPattRegExp='^X-POPFile-Link: (.*?)$'%- %RegExpBlindMatch=%Headers C:\Program Files\Internet Explorer\iexplore.exe %SubPatt='1' --8---cut here---end---8--- Which brings me to one more question (good grief!) What concept says that the %RegExpMatch macro returns the first subpattern as Carsten's original script would imply (and I still haven't checked), and not just the whole pattern? Regards, Allister. -- Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 2 questions: re AVG Popfile
On Sunday, 3 August 2003, at 1:16:43 p.m., Deborah W wrote: Question 2: While looking in the archives for this info, I came across a thread titled First email client with built in Popfile. In this thread, Carsten Thonges gave a cut paste for a filter which could be used to re-classify messages easily using a TB shortcut. I've tried to copy paste the filter, changing the Opera bit to a Mozilla bit (since that's my browser of choice) but it isn't working for me - is there anyone who would be willing to have a look at it to see if they can get it to work? TIA :-) Deborah, I don't know if you saw the subsequent postings I made with regard to Carsten's filter. My problem boiled down to the template being coded for a Beta version. Mine is below, and I have it working on v1.62r. %SetPattRegExp='^X-POPFile-Link: (.*?)$'%- %RegExpBlindMatch=%Headers C:\Program Files\Internet Explorer\iexplore.exe %SubPatt='1' Hope this helps. Regards, Allister. -- Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 2 questions: re AVG Popfile
On Monday, 4 August 2003, at 1:24:08 a.m., Deborah W wrote: AJ %SetPattRegExp='^X-POPFile-Link: (.*?)$'%- AJ %RegExpBlindMatch=%Headers C:\Program Files\Internet AJ Explorer\iexplore.exe %SubPatt='1' Thank you - but I still can't get it to work. I replaced the appropriate bit in Carsten's filter with the bit you gave me above, then cut pasted the whole filter into the Sorting Office, but no luck. I'm getting something that looks like it might be a DOS screen when I try it - but it flashes up so briefly I can't tell. It's not doing anything for POPfile as far as I can tell :-( Yes, there is a DOS window involved. It's the batch (.bat) file being run. I went through pretty much the same problem you are having. Once you've tried your filter, have a look at the contents of the batch file and see what you are getting. In my case, I was getting the entire header content of the email at first. My template above should get around that, but you may find when you look at the batch file it becomes clearer what it is attempting to do, and therefore where the problem is. I also tried running the batch file manually from the command line and then playing with the contents to see what actually worked, before amending the template. Regards, Allister. -- Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
NOT: Was Re: diary
OK, NOT: means NOT Off topic... (at least I don't think) If people wish to have an address book that integrates with TB!, then isn't that the wrong way of looking at it? TB! supports LDAP address books, so all you need to find is an address book that allows LDAP access. OR am I missing the point? -- Regards, Allister. Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: NOT: Was Re: diary
On Thursday, 14 August 2003, at 7:51:08 p.m., Roelof Otten wrote: AJ TB! supports LDAP address books, so all you need to find is an AJ address book that allows LDAP access. Yep, but you would miss lots of items that you can store and access in TB's AB. I'd especially miss AB-groups and templates, so I wouldn't consider an LDAP AB a good alternative for TB's AB. Good point! Besides that after changing your LDAP AB, you'd need to start a new search in it before TB gets the new address. In this respect, is this a flaw in the way TB! uses LDAP? I would have thought you would *always* go to the server when working with the addresses? -- Regards, Allister. Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: NOT: Was Re: diary
On Friday, 15 August 2003, at 12:07:18 p.m., Roelof Otten wrote: AJ I would have thought you would *always* go to the server when AJ working with the addresses? I don't know whether it's a bug or a feature. ;-) When you're accessing a local LDAP server, you might prefer a regular updating of TB's cache, but when you're accessing an LDAP server on the Internet (especially via a dial-up connection), you might prefer TB to keep the search result in a cache, until you decide to start a new search Hmmm. I suppose so. I deleted all the LDAP address books that come with TB!, so I can't have a play. Anybody have settings for a useful directory that I can try out? -- Regards, Allister. Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: so is version 2 here yet .... :-)
On Tuesday, 2 September 2003, at 9:43:12 a.m., Martin Webster wrote: https://www.cifnet.com/cgi-bin/ritlabs/thebat.html?reg=dGltPTEwNjIyNjQ2OTg Excellent! However, some questions. 1) Is it ready for prime time? ie. stable? 2) If I install it, is my wife going to have trouble using it, after being used to 1.xx, and not being technically minded? 3) Is the upgrade straightforward? -- Regards, Allister. Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: so is version 2 here yet .... :-)
On Tuesday, 2 September 2003, at 10:38:47 a.m., Deborah W wrote: What is the price on v2? Student price? Has there been any clarification on the eligibility for the 50% price-break for current users? Go look at the registration page mentioned elsewhere in this thread! -- Regards, Allister. Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: so is version 2 here yet .... :-)
On Tuesday, 2 September 2003, at 7:04:14 p.m., FJ de Bruin wrote: Can you (or someone else) confirm that Bayesian filtering made it into the final 2.0 version? Having just taken the plunge and upgraded, I can give you the following text from the help topic About Spam... The Bat! offers an interface for installing self learning anti-spam plug-ins. How to install and use them in The Bat you can learn in the Using Anti-spam plug-ins topic. ...and under the Using Anti-spam plug-ins topic... The Bat! offers an interface for installing anti-spam plug-ins. Each message you receive has score from 0 to 100 if it spam or not, and if points are above minimum that you set in preferences it is moved a Junk Mails Folder. To determine a message as Junk or not in The Bat! you can use Mark As Junk and Mar as NOT Junk oprions from Specials sub-menu. In order to use Anti spam support firstly you have to install anti-spam plug-in with self learning facilities. To install a plug-in, open Preferences dialog from the Options | Preferences menu and in the preferences tree click at Anti-spam leaf. ...and so it goes on. -- Regards, Allister. Using The Bat! v2.00 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: so is version 2 here yet .... :-)
On Tuesday, 2 September 2003, at 9:13:04 p.m., Paul Richardson wrote: Does this mean the Help file has been revised? This is a badly needed improvement. Is it any good? Um. See topic Anti Spam... Enter topic text here. So, there are still patches to worry about. As for the rest, I actually don't remember much about the old stuff except that I could never easily find what I wanted. Someone else who is more familiar may have to comment... -- Regards, Allister. Using The Bat! v2.00 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Grrrrrrrr. Account groups still broken!
I thought for sure v2 would fix this problem. Apparently not! I add a sixth account to my group and it shows up just fine for a while until, at some point, it disappears again! MOST annoying. Anybody succeeded in finding a workaround to this bug? -- Regards, Allister. Using The Bat! v2.00 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Grrrrrrrr. Account groups still broken!
On Wednesday, 3 September 2003, at 8:07:36 p.m., Roelof Otten wrote: AJ I thought for sure v2 would fix this problem. Apparently not! AJ I add a sixth account to my group and it shows up just fine for a AJ while until, at some point, it disappears again! Accounts are stored in the registry. Do you run a tool take restores your registry? Not that I am aware of? I've played around with group consists a lot in the past and it only seems to be now with my sixth account that I am having problems. I've just tried a new approach - I added *two* more accounts to my group, in the hopes that the one I want will stay! -- Regards, Allister. Using The Bat! v2.00 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Edited glyphs file for download if you wish...
On Thursday, 4 September 2003, at 1:19:31 a.m., Michael Harlos wrote: For those wanting to try changing the glyphs, it was straightforward to bring it in to Paint Shop Pro (I'm sure any graphics editor would do), and try different looks. Understand that, but how did you get the originals out of TB! in the first place? -- Regards, Allister. Using The Bat! v2.00 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Grrrrrrrr. Account groups still broken!
On Wednesday, 3 September 2003, at 9:04:38 p.m., Allister Jenks wrote: ... only seems to be now with my sixth account that I am having problems. I've just tried a new approach - I added *two* more accounts to my group, in the hopes that the one I want will stay! Bingo! It seems to have kept both new accounts. -- Regards, Allister. Using The Bat! v2.00 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Edited glyphs file for download if you wish...
On Friday, 5 September 2003, at 4:36:08 a.m., Thomas Fernandez wrote: Understand that, but how did you get the originals out of TB! in the first place? The moment you have a file glyphs.bmp in your TB directory, TB will use that instead of the defaults. My point was how to extract the original icons from the program in the form of a .bmp file? -- Regards, Allister. Using The Bat! v2.00 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Edited glyphs file for download if you wish...
On Friday, 5 September 2003, at 8:05:50 p.m., Stuart Hemming wrote: AJ My point was how to extract the original icons from the program in the AJ form of a .bmp file? I think the point is that you don't; Ritlabs published the original on their website. Ah! The truth emerges. ;-) Thanks Stuart. I've cast back through the posts and found the link (for others who missed it, it is http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/glyphs_orig.zip). I had not followed that thread very closely had I? -- Regards, Allister. Using The Bat! v2.00 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTML as default on v2.00 ...........?
On Tuesday, 9 September 2003, at 10:59:41 p.m., David Boggon wrote: I don't want to open a can of worms here (or maybe I do) but what is wrong with using HTML in email? what is behind TB's relegation of HTML to the backburner? Well, the can is well and truly opened! In my opinion, I believe there is nothing intrinsically wrong with HTML *if*, and *only if* it is used correctly according to the intent of its designers. Elsewhere in this thread are mentions of abusing HTML in emails. Let's face it, HTML is abused far more on the web than in email. I think everyone in this thread who is supporting the use of HTML in emails should read the HTML 4.01 specification - all of it. Then you will understand that HTML is a /semantic/ markup language. It is _*NOT*_ a presentation tool. And, more importantly, you will understand *why* this is the case. If you want pretty emails (if only in your own eyes) then use RTF which is designed to pretty-up text. It is only the sheer popularity of HTML (due to the web) and the short-sightedness of popular email client vendors (and, I suppose latterly, market forces) that led to HTML emails in the first place. If you are about to say RTF isn't supported in emails, you'd be half right. HTML isn't intrinsically supported by the SMTP protocol is it? It's your client that does things differently. So you *can* have RTF in emails. Back to my opening point, if you want to use HTML, then it must be for reasons of semantics. There is no bold or italic any more, there is emphasis and strong emphasis - which the recipient can choose how they want to display. Also, tables contain tabulated data (yes, really!) and not graphics that join up, and have (th) heading and (td) data cells. Now, sometimes, presentation is important. For instance, when you want to sell something (oops, did somebody mention SPAM?). Thinking really hard, how often is presentation *important* for the contents of an email that is not SPAM. And if you can think of a case where this is so, could it be better handled by posting a web page, or PDF file, or attaching a PDF file to the email? If anything, then, should we be asking RIT Labs for CSS support? Oh, and if you cry 'not practical' to HTML+CSS because of poor support in mainstream products, that is no excuse. If everybody didn't bother because of this, we'd not be as far down the track as we are today. You *are* the masses. Go with standards! -- Regards, Allister. Using The Bat! v2.00.6 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTML as default on v2.00 ...........?
On Wednesday, 10 September 2003, at 11:39:53 a.m., Sheldon Schuster wrote: When did you become a member of the Gestapo HMTL police? HTML is not a static entity--it is a dynamic changing standard that changes as new user interests and technology develope. Are you still using the text based UNIX e-mail of the early '90's? U. From the W3C HTML 4.01 Specification: W3C Recommendation 24 December 1999. Granted XHTML is around, but that is purely phrasing HTML in XML terms. Now, in this industry, you can't get much more static than that! What is *changing* is people's _use_ of this standard. The only major thing wrong with the original HTML spec was the lack of a separate presentation mechanism. That was recognised and corrected nearly *seven* years ago (CSS 1 = December 1996). It is really only poor browser technology that has held back the standards revolution. Just because graphic tables are mainstream, doesn't make them right. And *yes I am* using 'text based Unix email'! So are you!! Where do you think TCP/IP, POP and SMTP came from?? Under the covers it is still doing the same thing. It's still there because it works. Just putting some HTML in there doesn't change the underlying transport layers. Elsewhere it has been said this is going quite OT. I tend to agree. But then certain moderators are leaping into the fray with vigour. I shall continue on-list unless moderated otherwise. -- Regards, Allister. Using The Bat! v2.00.6 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Calling all moderators!
Moderators, Surely the 'HTML as default on v2.00' thread has gone way off topic in so many directions? You are normally quick to pronounce threads OT when they are even mildly so. Why not this one? Now, I'm as guilty as any other but it looks to me as if you're having too much fun in there to kill it? (Just my view, you understand.) Am I wrong? -- Regards, Allister. Using The Bat! v2.00.6 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Strange dialog
Hello tbudl, When TB! is started from my wife's logon on XP, a dialog appears - in fact it starts off hidden behind the splash screen - which has an 'info' bubble and an OK button and absolutely no text. Clicking OK starts TB! as normal. Any ideas what this is? It doesn't do this from my logon. I've just refreshed the registry settings from my logon and this hasn't made any difference. -- Thanks, Allister. TB 2.01.3, Windows XP Home Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Strange dialog
Friday, December 19, 2003, 12:11:13 AM, Tony wrote: TB Quite often happens if you use Bayesit and TB can't find the plugin. Aha! I do indeed have Bayesit installed. I now see that the dictionary is in my My Documents folder, which she doesn't have access to. I think I can take it from here. Thanks! -- Allister Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
TB! documentation poor
Hi Batters, Breaking from the 'underwhelmed' thread to pursue a specific issue, I have to agree with the original poster that TB!s help is quite shockingly bad. I've been in IT for about 16 years now and TB!s documentation is unique in my experience. Most software documentation falls into one of three categories: (a) Minimal Just enough to claim the documentation exists, glosses over much of the actual detail, but nevertheless covers all of the major parts of the software. (b) Commendable Makes a serious attempt to cover all topics in detail and usually only fails in a relatively small number of areas. Most issues with this category relate to the documentor's familiarity with the product leading to assumptions of knowledge. (c) Amateur Not a technical writer in sight and often worse than no help at all. The Bat! manages to be a mix of all three! Some topics do not appear to be covered at all - at least not where I expect to see it. Some of the text is excellent and with superb detail, and some is actually embarassing in its inability to convey the meaning. Not everybody can write good documentation, but that is no excuse for providing poor quality. You wouldn't entrust the writing of TB!s code to just anybody would you? The documentation needs to be taken seriously. Personally, I have learnt MS Office and many other software packages without any kind of formal training and mostly by RTFM. I don't believe I would be able to make use of TB! as much as I do without this list and I really hardly even scrape the surface. It's a powerful piece of software, but that power is buried. How many out there would be prepared to may more for the next version of TB! if a comprehensive, structured help system were provided? -- Allister Jenks. TB 2.01.3 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB! documentation poor
Hello again folks, Some nice, and considered, feedback to my thoughts. Following which I suggest that if it takes extra time/effort for RIT Labs to produce a real help file, then maybe it could be made a chargeable extra. I am all too aware of the 'cost of doing business' and maybe it is because of the lack of documentation that TB! is so well priced. Making it an extra would leave users to make a choice. If it were done properly, I would pay probably anything up to half the price of the software again to obtain it. For that it would have to be *complete* and well written though. -- Allister. Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
SOT: Re: Macro for time zone?
Tuesday, January 13, 2004, 8:01:55 AM, you wrote: SJL (The default in new mail and replies in Pocomail is, I think, SJL day-date-time + TZ.) (BTW, there is supposed to be some subtle SJL difference between GMT and UT...what the hell is it? In message SJL headers, is the reference to GMT or UT?) UT is more correctly referred to as UTC (Universally Coordinated Time). It's difference from GMT is academic for most as it is never more than a second. There's a pretty good explanation here: http://www.apparent-wind.com/gmt-explained.html Note I also found some sources which claimed that UTC was simply the 'new' version of GMT. Not so. -- Best regards, Allister Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: The Bat! versus others
Friday, January 16, 2004, 6:07:57 PM, Ken wrote: kg Outlook would have to be the Harley of e-mail clients: big, fat, slow, kg troublesome and MASSIVELY popular. I don't think 'popular' is the word. Perhaps 'default'? I would wager that way more than half of Outlook's users don't realise they have a choice! I used to regularly pan Outlook for its superior virus conduit, but since I have had to use it in my new job, I am happy to report I can now pan it as a lousy email client! Some people have been saying TB! doesn't do things 'the way one would expect'. Well, heck, neither does Outlook! It took me a long while to find the email headers for example - surely a fundamental requirement of an email client??? The darn thing annoys me daily. Perhaps my 'favourite' stupidity is the extreme effort required to get email addresses from 'Contacts' into an email! Why the hell do they have two address books? -- Regards, Allister Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Attaching files to The Bat - filename not fully shown?
Hello Bill, Wednesday, February 4, 2004, 5:20:42 AM, you wrote: BBTE Hide extensions for known file types. BBTE The icons will differ, of course. Not necessarily - which makes it worse. I wonder could/would a virus re-map the icons to its evil cause? BBTE It's probably a bad idea to send someone a file with a double BBTE extension, anyway, because double extensions are considered by BBTE many antivirus programs to be hostile. Interesting. I thought it was a good practice for things like zip files for example. i.e. mybook.doc.zip tells the true story at a glance. -- Cheers, Allister Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: cut-line RFC and client support
Hello Leif, Thursday, February 5, 2004, 7:50:46 AM, you wrote: C It seems as if The Bat! searches for cutlines from the bottom and C not the top. LG That is correct, and as Marck alluded to earlier in this thread, the LG reason we do not include the cut line in the list footer. If we did, LG then the poster's cut line wouldn't cut. Hence the reason we ask LG people to include a cut line in their posts. Well, we all love a bit of circular logic! If you insist on it, insist on it - there's reason enough without the above. -- Cheers, Allister Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Add to Address Book
Hello MAU, Friday, February 6, 2004, 8:14:03 AM, you wrote: M No, you are not clueless. TB is a great program but what you have M described is one of its most stupid limitations. I have used TB for over M 2-3 years and the limitation has always been there. And you are not the M first (or second, or third, or... ) to complain about it. I thought this was simply a 'feature' of Windows? i.e. the fact that there is only one active window ever by default. I see an awful lot of apps that you have to click on first before actually doing any meaningful clicks. -- Cheers, Allister Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Add to Address Book
Hello Terry, Friday, February 6, 2004, 9:49:28 AM, you wrote: T I just wonder why some windows lock the program and others don't. See my other post, but if you're into programming you'll come across the concept of a 'modal' dialog. Such a dialog is *designed* to elicit a response from the user to exclusion of all else in the application. It appears this concept is heavily misused - probably because it makes the programmer's life easier without users trying to click on things that would upset the dialog. -- Cheers, Allister Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Disembodied trash
Hi tbudl'ers, I seem to now have a trash can outside of all my account folder trees. I am not sure when it appeared, but I don't recall it always being there. Is this a cross between a common folder and the trash? I checked every account and they all have their own trash folders. -- Cheers, Allister Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Disembodied trash
Hello David, Friday, February 13, 2004, 12:23:29 AM, you wrote: DE P.S. DE Who woke up linda-2.paradise.net.nz as it was sleeping on your email message DE dor a few days. Indeed! I was wondering where all my posts were going! I thought the list processor didn't like me - thanks for the spotting. (And I see another disembodied reply further up the list now!) -- Cheers, Allister Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
SERIOUS problem!
Hi folks, Any problems I've had with TB! until now have been annoying. Today it seems to have *lost* emails! When collecting emails just now, it received all those waiting on the server (POP3) and then appeared to hang when logging off the server. I've seen this before and just Aborted the process (using the Abort All button in the Connection Centre) and usually all is fine. This time, the three emails it said it downloaded are nowhere to be found! I just noted another account has the same problem. Only now I see it says Importing messages is the current task - which is where it is hanging. Now, perhaps I can see why it lost the messages! What can I do to cure this and/or get those messages back?? Help! -- Allister. TB! 2.01.3 Current version is 2.04.04 | quot;Using TBUDLquot; information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: SERIOUS problem!
Sunday, February 22, 2004, 4:00:22 PM, I wrote: AJ Any problems I've had with TB! until now have been annoying. Today it AJ seems to have *lost* emails! AJ When collecting emails just now, it received all those waiting on the AJ server (POP3) and then appeared to hang when logging off the server. AJ I've seen this before and just Aborted the process (using the Abort All AJ button in the Connection Centre) and usually all is fine. This time, AJ the three emails it said it downloaded are nowhere to be found! OK, panic off. After forcefully killing TB! and restarting it, it did eventually find the missing emails. Why did the 'repair' facility not do anything and why would it hang on 'import messages'? -- Allister Current version is 2.04.04 | quot;Using TBUDLquot; information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Crash on Search in 2.04.4
Tuesday, February 24, 2004, 11:22:15 AM, Mark wrote: M When I installed 2.04.4 over 2.01.3 the installation M routine presented a default folder for install, which M I assumed to be the current installation folder. M However, the default folder presented was M c:/program files/TheBat M The 2.01.03 default installation had been to M c:/program files/The Bat (note the space) Interesting. I just (!) upgraded to 2.04.4 from 2.01.3 and have also just confirmed I have the search bug. However, I do not have multiple install directories. I think, serious though the double install problem is, it maybe a red herring in the search issue. I think RIT need to publish a fix for this pronto. Everybody should *not* be expected to employ the fix described here (but kudos to they who found the fix). Surely, the nature of this beast suggests that there is a file in 2.03 that is needed in 2.04? -- Cheers, Allister Current version is 2.04.04 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Filter as Junk?
Hello tbudlers, I have one account which receives virtually nothing but spam - it's the account I use on websites when I have to. I just decided that an Inbox filter of 'Sender contains @' could be used to train BayesIt with rather less effort on my part (although it gets most of them already). However, I cannot see anywhere to tell the filter to 'Mark as Junk'. Is this possible? -- Cheers, Allister Current version is 2.04.07 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Filter as Junk?
Saturday, February 28, 2004, 8:37:10 AM, Greg wrote: AJ I have one account which receives virtually nothing but spam - it's the AJ account I use on websites when I have to. GS You might want to try some Java script for you email for protection. I actually meant I enter that one at other people's websites when an email address is required to proceed (such as some software downloads). However, thanks for the Javascript as I think it will be very useful to me anyway! -- Cheers, Allister Current version is 2.04.07 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TBUDL Current version?
Saturday, February 28, 2004, 8:12:31 PM, Clive wrote: Yes and no. The previous release was 2.04.03 and that is more logical to me. I'm calling this one 07 for now. CT I'm with you on this, Marck. The lack of the leading zero in version CT numbers is very confusing. Surely this is simply a matter of reporting fact? What if I decide I like the name bob instead of the impersonal 2.04.7? -- Cheers, Allister -- Latest release bob. Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Known filter special?
Hello TBUDLers, Yes, I know it *is* special, but I had an idea that I wanted a sound to be played when something was filtered by it - i.e. some *real* email has arrived. Alas, this does not seem to be possible? -- Cheers, Allister Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filter as Junk?
Saturday, February 28, 2004, 10:43:15 AM, Allister wrote: AJ I have one account which receives virtually nothing but spam - it's the AJ account I use on websites when I have to. OK, so I know how to do all manner of things with email addresses *recorded on websites*. (And I know all those who replied were being helpful - thankyou). However, I did clarify myself and so my original question remains - can I mark as junk as the result of a filter? -- Cheers, Allister Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Known filter special?
Monday, March 1, 2004, 1:22:12 PM, Urban wrote: U Sunday, February 29, 2004, Allister Jenks wrote: Alas, this does not seem to be possible? U Play on sound on incoming mail in the folder that $known$ filters to and U set the $known$ filter to continue processing. Thanks Urban. I did not know about the sound settings at folder level. I've set it up and will await some mail! -- Cheers, Allister Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
TB! not ending?
Hello TBUDLers, I seem to have a new problem since installing 2.04.7 in that TB! appears to shut down when asked (the windows and system tray icon disappear), but I discovered that the task (thebat.exe) is still running and consuming a huge chunk of CPU. Anyone else getting this problem or is it just me? -- Cheers, Allister Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Lotus Notes
Wednesday, March 24, 2004, 7:33:13 PM, Shahar wrote: Does anyone know of a way to import Lotus Notes .nsf (ver 4.5) files into TheBat or outlook so I can use the outlook import? S Can it be done through a CSV ot TXT file ? S What file formats Lotus can export to ? Good luck with that! I tried it once and the export formats (at least up to v5) were pretty useless without some serious post-processing. -- Cheers, Allister Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
POPFile (was Re:Bayesit plugin and filters executing order)
Wednesday, April 7, 2004, 10:44:29 AM, dAniel wrote: dh I for myself use POPFile, which uses the same approach (Bayesian), but dh is a lot more useful, as it can have as many buckets as you want. Eg, dh I have spam, english, german, admin and PGP. dh Accuracy is 99.62% for 28293 mails - which is awesome. I also used POPFile for quite a while, and I was very impressed with its performance. What stopped me using it was the proliferation of virus-laden emails around September last year. I was running AVG with th TB! plugin and that was popping up a message for each nasty email, but also POPFile was storing the messages in its own database and AVG was constantly finding them in there and alerting me - both when it originally arrived and sometimes later also. I get the feeling I missed something in a configuration somewhere, but I was living away from home at the time and when I got the chance, I took POPFile out so my wife wasn't forced to click endlessly whenever I asked her to download my emails (after I checked them on the web). I got 600 over 3 days at one point! Can you suggest how to solve this? -- Cheers, Allister Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: POPFile (was Re:Bayesit plugin and filters executing order)
Wednesday, April 7, 2004, 11:41:56 PM, Adam wrote: AC I've simply turned off Confirmation and Ask What to Do Next in the AC AVG Control Centre and virus laden emails are quietly sent to the AC quarantine folder without bothering me at all. AC Now all I've got to do is find a way of getting TB to automatically AC mark quarantined messages as Read. A simple answer, and from Allie. Like I said, it was in a fit of frustration it got removed. I think I'll give it another try. -- Thanks, Allister Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: POPFile (was Re:Bayesit plugin and filters executing order)
Wednesday, April 7, 2004, 11:41:56 PM, Adam wrote: AC Now all I've got to do is find a way of getting TB to automatically AC mark quarantined messages as Read. I was just thinking about this one - I personally think it is good they are left unread as it provides a visual prompt to empty the folder. -- Cheers, Allister Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Ver 2.10 Unread Tab
Saturday, April 17, 2004, 2:56:55 PM, Munango-Keewati wrote: MK Could someone explain to me the purpose of the Unread tab if all MK messages--read, unread, parked, etc--are still displayed in the right MK panel when that tab is selected? One would expect to see only unread MK messages displayed for each folder in the Unread tab panel. From the 'Changes' doc that shows during install: Folder set tabs for viewing limited sets of folders like folders with unread messages, Virtual Folders and folders associated with a particular Colour Group -- Cheers, Allister Current version is 2.10.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Ver 2.10 Unread Tab
Saturday, April 17, 2004, 7:49:50 PM, I wrote: AJ From the 'Changes' doc that shows during install: AJ Folder set tabs for viewing limited sets of AJ folders like folders with unread messages, AJ Virtual Folders and folders associated with a AJ particular Colour Group ...however, I have yet to figure out how to configure any tabs. The text above suggests a filter by colour group, which is not pre-defined, so I take it they can be defined. But where? -- Cheers, Allister Current version is 2.10.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Backup/Restore for suspected corrupt account
Hello TBUDLers, Not so long ago (as I remember it) there was a discussion about recovering a corrupted mail account by means of renames and restores but I cannot, for the life of me, locate it in the archives. I have an account (my oldest one) which had been playing up on compresses and the like so not so long ago I 'fixed' it. At which point about 3/4 of the mail in it disappeared! I still have old backups around that pre-date that occurrence so would like to attempt to reconstruct the account from that, plus the stuff that remains from (and of course that which is newer than) the disaster. I'm still not convinced the account is in perfect order, so a create from scratch would be ideal. I've just done a full backup of the account as it stands tonight. Can someone either point me to the right spot in the archives or suggest the best sequence of steps? BTW, am using 2.1 and the old backup will be an earlier version (I don't know which, but suspect 2.0 or better). -- Cheers, Allister Current version is 2.10.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: anybody PLEASE
Thursday, May 6, 2004, 1:51:40 AM, Manfred wrote: ME That's what I guessed. Strange thing is: when I display the same ME message say in Becky I can read it perfectly, the same like seeing the ME html part in IE itself. Only TheBAt uses the tiny fonts. ME Normally these messages are from OE or Outlook users with the default ME fonts. Oh, the irony of it all. If HTML were used properly, you would have full control over the font sizes by specifying a user style sheet - does TB! have one of these? I hope so, but I suspect not. http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/present/graphics.html#h-15.2.2 no flames pleaseThen again, if email was used properly, it wouldn't have HTML in it./no flames please. -- Cheers, Allister Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Opening url with non-default browser
Monday, May 17, 2004, 10:19:09 AM, Martin wrote: MW You forgot to mention the version of Windows you use... C Windows XP, Home Edition MW In that case, you can create your own profile and change the default MW applications for mail and Web browsing. Right click on the Start button MW and select Properties. Then select the Start Menu tab and click on MW Customize. Now select your preferred applications for Web and mail (Show MW on Start menu). I am pretty sure when I changed my default browser (from IE to Firefox) my wife complained the following day that I had changed something again. Indeed she was getting Firefox launched. From this, it would seem it is a global setting (much like screen resolution...gr.) This was fairly recently and I always have the latest patches on. -- Cheers, Allister Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Bug pressure?
Hello TBUDLers, What does it take to get a bug looked at lately? I posted this bug https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/bug_view_advanced_page.php?bug_id=0002755 on March 31st and, apart from a 'similar to' and a 'still happening?' bugnote, there has been no communication that it is even being looked at or further questions to zero in or suggestions for things to try, let alone a fix. What is other people's experience with bug resolution? I've constantly added more info as I can and as my last bugnote says I'm starting to get really hacked off with this problem. Are there that many bugs that it takes two months to even get to this one? Excuse a bit of a rant - one of those weeks! -- Cheers, Allister Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bug pressure?
Saturday, May 29, 2004, 3:54:38 AM, michael wrote: I have been in Software QA for over 25 years. I just want to say that a bug like you posted looks a great deal like a problem with your computer. I totally agree that's what it could be. My point was that pretty much nothing had been said in the BugTracker. If it sounds to the folks at RIT like a Windows problem, they are quite at liberty to say so. I'm not professionally in software QA, but I have been in development and development/QA support for almost 17 years (so call me a newbie) and I am well aware of the nature of bugs and 'features' of software. For one thing, I know it is important to gather as much information as you resonably can before trying to track down the cause of a problem... snip So, when was the last time you reinstalled windows? ...like, for instance, reading all the attached bugnotes. One of these says I reinstalled XP on 18th May. ;-) Such a shame that TB! doesn't run on OS/400. -- Cheers, Allister Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Leif's h2g2 smilies for new TB! version
Saturday, May 29, 2004, 6:14:12 AM, Mary wrote: all manner of stuff about the meaning of life... Surely this thread is: 1) OT 2) Beta related 3) A personal chit-chat referring to others of same ilk 4) Making some people wonder What the hell are they talking about? and therefore 5) Not appropriate for this list 6) Inappropriate for a moderator to join in Just my opinion, of course. refrains from further references to...you know what -- Cheers, Allister Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Emoticons in upcoming new TB! version [was Re: Leif's h2g2 smilies for new TB!...]
Saturday, May 29, 2004, 5:07:59 PM, Thomas wrote: TF No, that only mean it is appropriate for TBBETA and not for TBUDL. TF After the release it will be appropriate here. Saved me saying it myself, thanks. I am not trying to leap all over people for this, but given the usual veracity of moderation, I am surprised this is the second time I have spotted a thread of questionable applicability being furthered by a moderator. -- Cheers, Allister Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Emoticons in upcoming new TB! version [was Re: Leif's h2g2 smilies for new TB!...]
Sunday, May 30, 2004, 2:17:43 AM, Martin wrote: MW Since I'm on a promise from Leif MW mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I thought I'd risk making MW the point that the off-topic part of this thread was just 3 messages... Yes, the *first* three. And now Paul's makes 4. So, to send this thread completely OT, I'll point out that it is not a holiday weekend where I am. Surely all listers know this is a very international audience? (And reverting back to the original OT,) let's see if this thread remains in an SEP field now. If it does, then I guess 6 times 9 really is 42. -- Cheers, Allister ;-) Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 2.11 consume all CPU resources
Saturday, June 5, 2004, 5:06:56 AM, Simon wrote: SM ...the CPU usage goes to 100%... SM ...and I have to kill TheBat from the Windows task manager. OK, attention all! How many times has this basic symptom been reported now? I had a bit of a rant on here recently about getting my bug report looked at on this very topic (0002755). Obviously TB! has a generic problem that causes CPU hogging, apparently in a variety of circumstances and it is *very* annoying. I don't know how many RIT folk watch this list, but if any are watching, PLEASE concentrate some effort on sorting this one out before adding any new features. And all you others out there who have ever experienced this problem, or who feel for those who do - please add your weight to this in any way you see fit. Maybe if those beer mugs and fish were real they could be treated as compensation of a sort, but all I see is diversion of resource. -- Cheers, Allister Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Smileys? Mail Chat?? What's becoming of The Bat!?
Saturday, June 5, 2004, 7:32:13 AM, Mark wrote: MP Besides, you can disable both features completely if you wish. And MP it isn't hard to do so. Yes, but the inclusion of these features has diverted resource from more functional and useful features, and from bug elimination. -- Cheers, Allister Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Smileys? Mail Chat?? What's becoming of The Bat!?
Saturday, June 5, 2004, 10:50:29 AM, Martin wrote (in part): AJ Yes, but the inclusion of these features has diverted resource from more AJ functional and useful features, and from bug elimination. MW For instance, the new emoticon feature was put together some weeks MW ago for personal use by one of the developers and is now in the MW latest release. Well, it would be just dandy if one of the chaps could stop it looping for personal reasons. MW Whilst typing this message in MicroEd I see many enhancements in the new MW release so it seems that efforts haven't been diverted too much after MW all! Well, then perhaps there should be some selling of the useful stuff and not so much of the frivolous stuff. MW My guess is we're seeing little snippets of the next version. I also MW think it will have universal appeal, satisfying 'newbie' and 'power MW user' alike. Sounds like a sensible commercial model to me. This *is* the next version, so, yes. I assume you refer to some greater version to follow? Version 2.2 perhaps? I'm a little tired of new versions constantly introducing features without eliminating major bugs. Also, the version numbers don't seem to mean a lot. I think there wer more differences between the 1.5x and 1.6x versions than between any of the 2.xx versions. MW And yes, I get frustrated with progress too... and that's why it's MW helpful to change your perceptual position from time to time. Standing on my head just makes it harder to type. Ever noticed that? ;-) -- Cheers, Allister Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 2.11 consume all CPU resources
Saturday, June 5, 2004, 9:49:36 AM, Allister wrote: AJ Saturday, June 5, 2004, 5:06:56 AM, Simon wrote: SM ...the CPU usage goes to 100%... SM ...and I have to kill TheBat from the Windows task manager. AJ OK, attention all! How many times has this basic symptom been reported AJ now? I had a bit of a rant on here recently about getting my bug report AJ looked at on this very topic (0002755). AJ Obviously TB! has a generic problem that causes CPU hogging, apparently AJ in a variety of circumstances and it is *very* annoying. AJ I don't know how many RIT folk watch this list, but if any are watching, AJ PLEASE concentrate some effort on sorting this one out before adding any AJ new features. And all you others out there who have ever experienced AJ this problem, or who feel for those who do - please add your weight to AJ this in any way you see fit. AJ Maybe if those beer mugs and fish were real they could be treated as AJ compensation of a sort, but all I see is diversion of resource. OK, sorry folks. You all want to talk about the smileys. So long, and thanks for all the fish. -- Cheers, Allister Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 2.11 consume all CPU resources
First of all, Thomas, Rich, Allie, Simon, thanks for the useful feedback. There are a few things I can look at now. This is precisely my beef with the Bug report - no feedback of any kind. Sunday, June 6, 2004, 3:55:48 AM, Allie wrote: AM Interesting. I've never really ever had a problem with TB! consuming AM an inordinate amount of CPU resources. Lucky you! AM Things that come to mind and are worth checking: AM - folder compression, especially for the Inbox and Outbox. Though AM messages are filtered to other folders and most messages are AM immediately sent, a copy of every incoming and outgoing message is AM stored in those folders. If you don't compress them, TB! will soon AM need to use a lot of resources to handle them. The compression/purge used to run very slowly for my first account until I repaired it. Now that TB! has thrown away about 3/4 of my inbox in the repair process, the whole compression/purge is a lot more timely. You win some, you lose some. :-( The compression/purge *completes* and that window disappears before the extreme CPU occurs. At the time of extreme CPU there are no TB! windows or tray icons present anywhere. It is actually possible (if a little slow) to start TB! again - in which case you get a new task. Exit that one and you have two tasks trying to take over. At this point even one of the simple OpenGL screensavers (FlowerBox or the like) are basically frozen when they engage. This on a 1.3GHz system with a kick-ass graphics card. AM - plugin use, especially antispam have been reportedly culpable for AM problems as you're experiencing. The same goes for spam and antivirus AM proxy software or those that monitor mail traffic before TB! gets at AM it. NOD32 uses a Winsock scanner which causes a TB! memory leak on my AM system. That same Winsock scanner was causing my mailserver to crash AM while sending mail and then quickly manipulating IMAP mail. I used to AM think it was TB! causing the server crashes. I had the problem before and after using BayesIt, before and after using AVG plugin and before and after switching to Avast antivirus with plugin (I'm now back with AVG). I've had the problem since about 1.6x or thereabouts. AM - a mailbase that is problematic will have TB! spending an AM inordinately long time with it. This is my current favourite. Despite my comments above, I originally suspected the account I subsequently repaired. Maybe TB! is doing something at the last gasp, after the windows are all closed and maybe this is tripping over a dodgy account. My mailbase is, after all, about the only constant in this whole affair. I've been meaning to re-import from an old backup all those lost messages from the repair I did, but so far have not been brave enough. I wonder now whether I should recover that whole account somehow? AM - check your temp folder for overload. TB! uses the temp folder when AM downloading messages and an overloaded temp folder will slow it down. Nope. Problem evident directly after a full re-install of XP, TB!. -- Cheers, Allister Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 2.11 consume all CPU resources
Sunday, June 6, 2004, 3:42:55 PM, Thomas wrote: AM - a mailbase that is problematic will have TB! spending an AM inordinately long time with it. AJ This is my current favourite. Despite my comments above, I originally AJ suspected the account I subsequently repaired. Maybe TB! is doing AJ something at the last gasp, after the windows are all closed and maybe AJ this is tripping over a dodgy account. My mailbase is, after all, about AJ the only constant in this whole affair. TF Try this: Create a new folder. Can be inthe same account. TF Go to the troublesome Inbox. Mark all messages, and copy them to the TF newly-created folder. TF Close TB. Delete the messages.tbb and messages.tbi files in the Inbox' TF directory. (What I do in such cases is to just rename, them, so TB TF won't find them, but I can still go back if I want to.) TF Open TB. a new messages.tbb will be created, but your Inbox is now TF empty. TF Go to the new folder and copy all messages to the Inbox. TF Now see if the problem has disappeared. Done. Problem remains. :-( -- Cheers, Allister Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 2.11 consume all CPU resources
Thursday, June 10, 2004, 4:31:54 AM, Thomas wrote: TF Hello Allister, TF On Mon, 7 Jun 2004 19:32:37 +1200 GMT (07/06/2004, 14:32 +0700 GMT), TF Allister Jenks wrote: AJ Done. Problem remains. :-( TF Too bad. Does it happen only when purgingcompressing on exit, or TF also when you do it manually? I just noticed when checking this that it seems to be grabbing CPU all the time. Even sitting there doing nothing it is taking all it can. I turned off the icon animation (hey, who knows?), switched XP to classic style interface as I noticed the menu navigator button flickering horribly all the time. Still the same. So it is doing something all the time from startup and then refuses to stop doing whatever it is. Memory usage is fluctuating, but only by a few Mb around 55Mb in total. Wow, just downloaded Process Explorer at this point. Nice! It seems to be telling me that MSVCRT.DLL!endthreadex+0x31 has a high (and fluctuating) CSwitch Delta (which is what?). There's also another line the same, but with none or 1 as the CSD. Also seems to show this first line as consuming all the CPU. Does this mean anything to anyone? We might beat this yet! -- Cheers, Allister Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 2.11 consume all CPU resources
Thursday, June 10, 2004, 6:18:38 PM, Allister wrote: AJ Thursday, June 10, 2004, 4:31:54 AM, Thomas wrote: TF Hello Allister, TF On Mon, 7 Jun 2004 19:32:37 +1200 GMT (07/06/2004, 14:32 +0700 GMT), TF Allister Jenks wrote: AJ Done. Problem remains. :-( TF Too bad. Does it happen only when purgingcompressing on exit, or TF also when you do it manually? AJ I just noticed when checking this that it seems to be grabbing CPU all AJ the time. Even sitting there doing nothing it is taking all it can. AJ I turned off the icon animation (hey, who knows?), switched XP to AJ classic style interface as I noticed the menu navigator button AJ flickering horribly all the time. AJ Still the same. So it is doing something all the time from startup and AJ then refuses to stop doing whatever it is. Memory usage is fluctuating, AJ but only by a few Mb around 55Mb in total. AJ Wow, just downloaded Process Explorer at this point. Nice! It seems to AJ be telling me that MSVCRT.DLL!endthreadex+0x31 has a high (and AJ fluctuating) CSwitch Delta (which is what?). There's also another line AJ the same, but with none or 1 as the CSD. Also seems to show this first AJ line as consuming all the CPU. AJ Does this mean anything to anyone? We might beat this yet! Also just checked the stack for this line: MSVCRT.DLL!memcpy+0x90 MSVCP60.dll!std::basic_stringchar,std::char_traitschar,std::allocatorchar ::get_allocator+0x58 bayesit.tbp+0x3edb3 That last line worries me. I tried to uninstall BayesIt recently because I am not using it. TB! basically hung when I tried to quit the plugins window and after restarting BayesIt was back. After a couple of attempts at that I just deselected all the check boxes in AntiSpam and left it. -- Cheers, Allister Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 2.11 consume all CPU resources - Solved!
Thursday, June 10, 2004, 10:43:07 PM, Allie wrote: AM The Bayesit plugin directory should be in the TB! installation AM directory. Have you tried moving that directory to another location AM after exiting TB! and then restarting TB!? Woho! Not only is it not hogging CPU, but it is running *really* fast. I had no idea TB! was this quick! Thankyou, thankyou, thankyou, thankyou, thankyou! I think I'll celebrate by installing 2.11. Am I a glutton for punishment or what? -- Cheers, Allister Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 2.11 consume all CPU resources - Solved!
Saturday, June 12, 2004, 3:21:08 AM, rich wrote: Woho! Not only is it not hogging CPU, but it is running *really* fast. Thankyou, thankyou, thankyou, thankyou, thankyou! rg Was that Process Explorer product the one that pulled you out of the rg fire? I guess it pretty much was. It was the one that highlighted BayesIt. But I do not wish to detract from the splendiforous help from the TBUDLers involved. -- Cheers, Allister Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Table formatting
Sunday, July 4, 2004, 4:19:03 AM, Kevin wrote: How can one change either the color of the table borders or the style (a single line instead of a double line). KA you'll have to import something you created with another application KA (i.e. Excel, Word, etc.) Ouch! That could be adding fuel to the fire. I do not recommend using Office to create HTML. Unfortunately I don't seem to have a help file present(!), but if there is a way of getting to the HTML source then it would be relatively straightforward modify the opening TABLE tag. TABLE style=border:solid red That said, I cannot see how to get at the HTML source. -- Cheers, Allister Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Table formatting
Sunday, July 4, 2004, 10:33:11 AM, Kevin wrote:
KA The original poster was working with HTML anyway. At that point there
KA is no harm using an external application to copy a table in-line. Tens
KA of millions of people use it this way (including myself) without
KA difficulty.
KA What exactly is your consern?
OK, I'm being a bit of a purist, but I feel in good company considering
the extensive anti-HTML email threads of times gone by.
I just think this:
!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN
http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd;
HTML
HEAD
META HTTP-EQUIV=Content-Type CONTENT=text/html; charset=UTF-8
TITLETitle/TITLE
STYLE type=text/cssTABLE{border-collapse:collapse} TD{border:1px
solid;padding:1em;width:50%}/STYLE
/HEAD
BODY
TABLE
TRTDCell 1/TDTDCell 2/TD/TR
TRTDCell 3/TDTDCell 4/TD/TR
/TABLE
/BODY/HTML
is better than this:
HTML
HEAD
META HTTP-EQUIV=Content-Type CONTENT=text/html; charset=windows-1252
META NAME=Generator CONTENT=Microsoft Word 97
TITLECell 1/TITLE
/HEAD
BODY
TABLE BORDER CELLSPACING=1 CELLPADDING=7 WIDTH=568
TRTD WIDTH=50% VALIGN=TOP
FONT SIZE=2PCell 1/FONT/TD
TD WIDTH=50% VALIGN=TOP
FONT SIZE=2PCell 2/FONT/TD
/TR
TRTD WIDTH=50% VALIGN=TOP
FONT SIZE=2PCell 3/FONT/TD
TD WIDTH=50% VALIGN=TOP
FONT SIZE=2PCell 4/FONT/TD
/TR
/TABLE
FONT SIZE=2/FONT/BODY
/HTML
The former was hand coded by me and validates 100% (and that's against
the Strict DTD). The latter was created in Word by starting a brand new
document, creating a 2 x 2 table and entering the cell contents. I then
immediately saved as HTML. Aside from taking an extra 100 bytes or so,
it has 2 types of error when validated and specifies a Windows character
set depite only containing 7 standard ASCII characters in its output.
Oh, and those errors are against the transitional DTD - which is far
more relaxed. Anyone using FONT tags today should be taken out into the
woods and sh(...own the correct way).
And yes, I know the two pages look different, but with less code I
solved the original poster's problem and if one were fussy about the
width then a simple ;width:568px added to the TABLE style would fix
the only fundamental difference (actually, *I* think mine looks better
anyway).
That's my concern.
--
Cheers,
Allister
Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Table formatting
Monday, July 5, 2004, 2:37:41 AM, Kevin wrote: KA I understand what you are saying. My only point was that (1)TB is not KA designed to be a graphic HTML editor. It has some basic tools and that KA is it. (2) For fancier work, an external (not just MS Office KA components) program will be necessary. Whether one chooses to use KA Word, Excel, Open Office, Star Office or something else isn't the KA point. I, for one, am not going to write HTML to facilitate table KA design in TB. Fair enough that TB! is nothing more than basic, and the ability to cut and paste externally preparted HTML is a good feature. My point was that Office is a less than ideal choice. But then if it works for you, I see no reason you shouldn't use it. Just be aware that Office is as much an HTML editor by design as TB!. -- Cheers, Allister Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! Help files, including help with outsourced files [was Re: BayesIt]
Monday, July 12, 2004, 12:06:58 PM, Mary wrote (amongst other stuff): MB In defense of RitLabs: the improvements that are being made in The MB Bat! are coming along so rapidly that any Help file would soon be MB obsolete. I consider that I am running an obsolete version, and I have MB the latest Full Release. Too rapidly then. Documentation is part of a product. Let's face it, how many newcomers would stick with it if this list suddenly disappeared? For that matter, how many longer term users would stick with it? MB But I encourage you to stay with us. The Bat! is very likely the best MB e-mail program available today. All the more reason to tell people how to use it so they can *see* how good it is. I am willing to bet that a large proportion of users would use far more features if they knew they existed and/or how to use them. If people aren't using these wonderful features then they're a waste of the programmers' time. MB Everyone is here to help you! Yes, and the ambulance is waiting at the bottom of the cliff. -- Cheers, Allister Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! Help files
Tuesday, July 13, 2004, 4:36:47 AM, Roelof wrote (amongst other stuff): RO Though I certainly wouldn't say that TB is the best documented program RO ever, I certainly can't blame RitLabs too much for the online help. Who else is going to provide it? Or are there people on this list that know the program better than those at RIT? RO Let's face it. What do you expect from a help file? It has to mention RO the features in the program, but it doesn't have to take you by the RO hand like one of those [EMAIL PROTECTED]@d MS wizards that take you almost to the RO place where you'd like to be and then leave you in the dark how to RO get at your final destination. I never said that most other software has brilliant help. I totally agree with your disdain for wizards. IMHO, the Microsofts of this world (and many of their blind followers) have made things worse, not better, by dumbing down their software. For example, I get tired of explaining the difference between connecting to the net and *using* the net. All I want is a help file that is (1) Comprehensive, (2) Consistent and (3) Structured. RO I like the company and I would miss the puzzles like 'what keeps my RO filter from functioning' I can't say that the presence or absence of RO this list would dictate my choice of software. Perhaps the tag-line should change slightly. Replace 'natural' with 'masochistic'. -- Cheers, Allister Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! Help files, including help with outsourced files
Tuesday, July 13, 2004, 1:41:36 AM, Mary wrote (amongst other stuff): MB I got The Bat! for its safety. Retired, with plenty of time, and MB somewhat paranoid, I look at each message separately on the Dispatcher MB and decide there whether to delete or download. Perhaps a little too paranoid in some eyes, but each to their own. But think about how much this capability alone could attract users if they could use at least the basic features with ease. AJ Yes, and the ambulance is waiting at the bottom of the cliff. MB LOL Where I used to work, this was a well-worn phrase. I'm glad others get some enjoyment out of it, as for me it is tired, if effective. MB What practical help could we offer the Programmers if they were to put MB a useable Help file on their list of priorities? MB I think, for one, a system of prioritization in the Help file. Perhaps MB a simple, Where Is It? category for wading through menus and MB short-cuts to a feature that TB! has in common with other e-mail MB clients. MB As a total newbie, I didn't even realize that I should poke about MB among drop-down menus and submenus. I went straight to the Help file, MB and Argh! :) MB It's not intuitive to look for settings under Account/Properties, for MB instance. Or wasn't for me. MB And so on. MB How would you, for instance, Allister, organize the Help file, if you MB were given the job? I'm not talking about programming code. Just what MB would make sense, as to Content and Index? I think the basic things to cover are: 1) Terms and concepts 2) Quick start 3) Detailed configuration 4) Coverage of ALL primary menus (not including pop-ups) 5) Editing (all editors) 6) Key topics (e.g. address book, templates, etc.) Coverage of pop-up menus should be in the context of where they appear. That's 60 seconds work off the top of my head. It's not that hard. MB Well--I'm putting this on tbot. Are you subscribed there? Hope you MB are. :) U. Alive and well on TBUDL (and no I'm not on TBOT). -- Cheers, Allister Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! Help files
Tuesday, July 13, 2004, 6:58:18 PM, Roelof wrote: RO Hallo Allister, RO On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 18:36:08 +1200GMT (13-7-2004, 8:36 +0200, where I RO live), you wrote: AJ Perhaps the tag-line should change slightly. Replace 'natural' with AJ 'masochistic'. RO You've lost me here. At the head of The Bat!s product page: The Bat! - The Natural Email System -- Cheers, Allister Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Frayed threads?
Hello TBOTers, I know this isn't TBUDL, but it seems that threads are changing spots rather often. Specifically, my Strange Ills for XP thread is now discussing at least three topics (yes, ok, I started one of them maybe). Also the Proposed TB! Help thread Mary moved here has gone the same way. -- Cheers, Allister Current version is 2.12.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Frayed threads?
Friday, July 23, 2004, 7:21:32 PM, Allister wrote: AJ Hello TBOTers... Oops! Sorry. Looks like a template to fix! :confused: -- Cheers, Allister Current version is 2.12.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Frayed threads?
Saturday, July 24, 2004, 12:06:11 AM, Allie wrote: AM Allister Jenks, [AJ] wrote: Oops! Sorry. Looks like a template to fix! AM Bitten by the To: macro? :) AM It's a lot better to create templates for the lists using address book AM templates. Give the list address book entries simple names so that AM creating new messages isn't such a hassle. AM For example, when creating a new tbudl message, I just bring up a new AM message and type tbudl. The auto-complete finishes the address entry. I AM tab into the message body field and go. Slightly more tedious, but AM worth the extra hassle ... no embarrassment. ;) Done. Much better thankyou. -- Cheers, Allister Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
What defines a mailto?
Hello TBUDLers, Any idea why TB! does not recognise the following as a mailto: ? [EMAIL PROTECTED] I've changed the 1's and the alphabet part to disguise the real address (it's a mailing list confirmation). The = sign seems to replace the @ in my address, and may be the problem? -- Cheers, Allister :flag-newzealand: New Zealand / Aotearoa Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: What defines a mailto?
Thursday, August 26, 2004, 7:48:26 PM, Maurice wrote: MS Well, in all actuality, it isn't a 'mailto:' considering the string MS 'mailto:' isn't part of it. Granted. But if I write... [EMAIL PROTECTED] ...without specifying mailto:; at the front, TB! realises it is an email address and highlights it as such. -- Cheers, Allister :flag-newzealand: New Zealand / Aotearoa Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: What is a natural email system?
Sunday, September 5, 2004, 11:23:42 AM, Michael wrote: MLW What makes The Bat a natural email system. Can someone please explain MLW what this phrase means and why it is attached to The Bat? If you've used Outlook 2000, you will know it is decidely unnatural to use. TB! isn't. -- Cheers, Allister :flag-newzealand: New Zealand / Aotearoa Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Summary of v3?
Hello TBUDLers, Having tired of reading the many-and-rambling threads on v3, would somebody who has had the time please summarise: 1) The issues/bugs 2) Any info from RIT about licensing issues I know many TBUDLers are unhappy with the affair (and some aren't), but has there been *any* response from RIT about all this? -- Cheers, Allister :flag-newzealand: New Zealand / Aotearoa Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mod: Top posting (was: Save decrypted PGP messages?)
Saturday, October 9, 2004, 1:12:44 AM, Mica wrote: MM Btw, is good to have local time also quoted, altho just a remark about MM time zone(s) helps enough too. I've been absent from the list for a while and have just taken the time to read some posts - this being the first. I have to agree with Mica's comment above. I haven't bothered in my personal emails, but in my line of work (IT) I deal a lot with people in other timezones. To this end I always put the following on my footer: GMT +13:00 I don't see the point of making any reference to what time it is *now* in anyone's timezone. I'm telling you I am at GMT + 13. When/if that matters to anyone, they can figure out whether to call me. This reminds me of a really simple system that Acorn Computers used in their RISC OS product. The system clock and ALL timestamps (i.e. on files etc) were in UTC. Period. The smart bit was that whenever the OS displayed a time, it adjusted it according to a UTC offset system value. If the user had to enter a time, you would subtract the offset and store it as UTC. That way, all you ever had to do was keep your own offset correct, and keep your clock accurate to the minutes. You could send files all around the world and everyone could tell exactly how many hours and minutes old it was without needing to know what timezone the file originated from. -- Cheers, Allister :flag-newzealand: New Zealand / Aotearoa Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: OT Time stamps [was Re: Mod: Top posting (was: Save decrypted PGP messages?)]
Saturday, October 16, 2004, 12:17:37 PM, Mary wrote: MB I know you are on a large continent, also. Umm. Nope. One timezone. http://www.tourism.org.nz/ You weren't thinking of Australia were you? -- Cheers, Allister :flag-newzealand: New Zealand / Aotearoa Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: OT Time stamps [was Re: Mod: Top posting (was: Save decrypted PGP messages?)]
Saturday, October 16, 2004, 3:28:59 PM, Maria wrote: MCR NZ is the antipodes of Lisbon, where I live. How does it feel living MCR upside down? :) .smelborp yna deciton t'nevah I Seriously though - if gravity weren't stronger than the centrifugal force, nobody would be right-side-up anyway! -- Cheers, Allister :flag-newzealand: New Zealand / Aotearoa Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Saturday, October 16, 2004, 3:43:12 PM, Stuart wrote: MCR On 16 October 2004 at 14:52:03GMT +1300 (which was 02:52 where I live) SC Wouldn't this be +1200, or are you on Daylight Saving Time. :) The standard time is indeed +1200. We started daylight saving on the first Sunday in October. -- Cheers, Allister :flag-newzealand: New Zealand / Aotearoa Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Saturday, October 16, 2004, 4:04:21 PM, Maria wrote: SC Wouldn't this be +1200, or are you on Daylight Saving Time. :) MCR Yep, until the last Saturday of October. Than, it's back to GMT. That would be a very short period for daylight savings. It ends on the third Sunday in March and then goes back to +1200 - not GMT. :-) -- Cheers, Allister :flag-newzealand: New Zealand / Aotearoa Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
