Re: [WAMUG} Kernel Panics Every 48 Hours - late 2013 iMac running MacOS 10.15.7

[Peter Hinchliffe]

The first thing I’d be doing is disabling any non-standard software for a 
while. Although you quote “the usual add-ons”, the only ones you mention and 
which I also have installed are CCC and Default Folder. The first suspects for 
me on your list would be CleanMyMac and Intego Virusbarrier, both of which are 
totally unnecessary on a Mac, as their functions are already being performed by 
MacOS itself and are potentially creating conflicts. Since you apparently tend 
to sleep your Mac than turn it off at night all the built-in functions will be 
active.

I’’m not familiar with Fluor or Magnet, but again try running with these 
disabled for a while and see if things improve. Part of your strategy could 
alos include running Activity Monitor periodically to see what processes are 
(a) using the most memory and (b) consuming  the most processor time. I’m 
running Big Sur, and am regularly afflicted by a process called “bsdtar” of 
which I often have over 50 instances runnnig at a time, and bringing my Mac to 
a crawl. Using AM to quit them all fixes the problem. I’ve recently read 
somewhere that Parallels Toolbox is behing the bsdtar activity, so I’ve 
disabled it and so far the problem as not reappeared.

The other thing is to try starting up in Safe Mode and then restart normally:

• Power on or restart your Mac, then immediately press and hold the 
Shift key as your Mac starts up.
• Release the key when you see the login screen.
• Log in to macOS.
• You may be asked to log in again. On either the first or second login 
window, the words Safe Boot should appear in the upper-right corner of the 
window.

 I’ve had this process fixes weird behaviours before as well.


> On 17 Nov 2021, at 5:52 am, Adam Lippiatt  wrote:
> 
> Hi all
> 
> My iMac is crashing whether:
> 
> - on sleep or with sleep disabled;
> - with external hard drives connected and with no devices other than original 
> keyboard connected,
> 
> every roughly 48 hours.  It always lasts 24 hours but never gets to 72 hours. 
>  
> 
> When sleep is not disabled it will wake from sleep no worries within the 48 
> hour period, so the only unusual behaviour is the kernel panic every roughly 
> 48 hours.
> 
> Is my strategy (in order):
> 
> - run my computer in safe mode for 48 hours and see if I get a kernel panic;
> - do a hardware check with apple diagnostics if I get a kernel panic;
> - zap nvram pram if I get no bad results;
> - if I get kernel panic;
> - reinstall OS and restore files from backup;
> - get a new Mac?
> 
> My software suite has been pretty stable for a while - the usual add ons:
> 
> - carbon copy cloner;
> - cleanmymac;
> - intego virusbarrier;
> - default folder;
> - Fluor (function key behaviour software);
> - Magnet for windows managment.
> 
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Adam
> 
> 
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Kind regards,

Peter HinchliffeApwin Computer Services
FileMaker Pro Solutions Developer
Perth, Western Australia
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Re: SuperDuper not compatible with MacOS Big Sur yet ??

[Ronni Brown]

Hi Tim,

I’m still running High Sierra on my Computers.
Have a read at this link  https://bombich.com/kb/ccc5/macos-big-sur-known-issues

Kind Regards,
Ronni

 Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB 


> On 7 Dec 2020, at 6:57 am, Tim Law  wrote:
> 
> Ronni does CCC still work okay with Big Sur?
> 
> 
> 
> Tim's red iPhone 
> 
>>> On 7 Dec 2020, at 5:58 am, Ronni Brown  wrote:
>>> 
>> Hi Stephen,
>> 
>> I’ve always used CCC, but I can’t remember the reason why I made that 
>> decision.
>> There was a reason... ;-)
>> 
>> Kind Regards,
>> Ronni
>> 
>>  Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB 
>> 
>> 
>>>> On 6 Dec 2020, at 10:21 pm, Stephen Chape  wrote:
>>>> 
>>> Thank you Ronni.
>>> 
>>> Is your preference SuperDuper or CCC ?
>>> SuperDuper seems to get “top of the list” in reviews.
>>> 
>>>> On 6 Dec 2020, at 6:26 pm, Ronni Brown  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Stephen,
>>>> 
>>>> https://bombich.com/kb/ccc5/macos-big-sur-known-issues
>>>> Some Big Sur startup volumes don't appear in the Startup Disk Preference 
>>>> Pane
>>>> In the past, the Startup Disk Preference Pane would list all available 
>>>> startup volumes, including volumes cloned by CCC (whether CCC used ASR or 
>>>> its own file copier). Some Big Sur cloned volumes do not appear in the 
>>>> Startup Disk Preference Pane, despite being perfectly bootable.
>>>> 
>>>> We have reported this issue to Apple (FB8889774) and we are currently 
>>>> awaiting a response.
>>>> 
>>>> Workaround: To boot from the cloned volume, restart your Mac while holding 
>>>> down the Option key, then select the cloned volume in the Startup Manager. 
>>>> When your Mac has completed booting, you can optionally choose to set the 
>>>> startup disk to the current startup volume (i.e. if you want the Mac to 
>>>> always boot from the cloned volume).
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Kind Regards,
>>>> Ronni
>>>> 
>>>>  Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>>> On 6 Dec 2020, at 5:57 pm, Stephen Chape  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks for that reply Tim.
>>>>> Are you using something else now then ?
>>>>> I had thought about looking at Carbon Copy Clone.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 6 Dec 2020, at 5:26 pm, Tim Law  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I used to use SuperDuper and was pleased you took the initiative to find 
>>>>>> out from the manufacturer and share the information with us. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I guess I can use that 1Tb drive for something else now!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>> Tim
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Tim's red iPhone 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 6 Dec 2020, at 4:35 pm, Stephen Chape  wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi folks.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I am finding this frustrating.
>>>>>>> I have emailed Dave at Shirt Pocket only to be told “just use Time 
>>>>>>> Machine in the meantime”.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Does anyone else in WAMUG use SuperDuper ?
>>>>>>> I use Time Machine, but also use SuperDuper at regular intervals on a 
>>>>>>> Drive locked in my safe.
>>>>>>> I have not been able to do my 1st December SuperDuper “safe” backup.
>>>>>>> And their seems to be not a lot of concern from Shirt Pocket.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> It’s like “oh well you will just have to wait”.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> Stephen Chape
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
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Re: SuperDuper not compatible with MacOS Big Sur yet ??

[Ronni Brown]

Hi Stephen,

I’ve always used CCC, but I can’t remember the reason why I made that decision.
There was a reason... ;-)

Kind Regards,
Ronni

 Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB 


> On 6 Dec 2020, at 10:21 pm, Stephen Chape  wrote:
> 
> Thank you Ronni.
> 
> Is your preference SuperDuper or CCC ?
> SuperDuper seems to get “top of the list” in reviews.
> 
>> On 6 Dec 2020, at 6:26 pm, Ronni Brown  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Stephen,
>> 
>> https://bombich.com/kb/ccc5/macos-big-sur-known-issues
>> Some Big Sur startup volumes don't appear in the Startup Disk Preference Pane
>> In the past, the Startup Disk Preference Pane would list all available 
>> startup volumes, including volumes cloned by CCC (whether CCC used ASR or 
>> its own file copier). Some Big Sur cloned volumes do not appear in the 
>> Startup Disk Preference Pane, despite being perfectly bootable.
>> 
>> We have reported this issue to Apple (FB8889774) and we are currently 
>> awaiting a response.
>> 
>> Workaround: To boot from the cloned volume, restart your Mac while holding 
>> down the Option key, then select the cloned volume in the Startup Manager. 
>> When your Mac has completed booting, you can optionally choose to set the 
>> startup disk to the current startup volume (i.e. if you want the Mac to 
>> always boot from the cloned volume).
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Kind Regards,
>> Ronni
>> 
>>  Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 6 Dec 2020, at 5:57 pm, Stephen Chape  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks for that reply Tim.
>>> Are you using something else now then ?
>>> I had thought about looking at Carbon Copy Clone.
>>> 
>>>> On 6 Dec 2020, at 5:26 pm, Tim Law  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I used to use SuperDuper and was pleased you took the initiative to find 
>>>> out from the manufacturer and share the information with us. 
>>>> 
>>>> I guess I can use that 1Tb drive for something else now!
>>>> 
>>>> Regards
>>>> Tim
>>>> 
>>>> Tim's red iPhone 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 6 Dec 2020, at 4:35 pm, Stephen Chape  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi folks.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am finding this frustrating.
>>>>> I have emailed Dave at Shirt Pocket only to be told “just use Time 
>>>>> Machine in the meantime”.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Does anyone else in WAMUG use SuperDuper ?
>>>>> I use Time Machine, but also use SuperDuper at regular intervals on a 
>>>>> Drive locked in my safe.
>>>>> I have not been able to do my 1st December SuperDuper “safe” backup.
>>>>> And their seems to be not a lot of concern from Shirt Pocket.
>>>>> 
>>>>> It’s like “oh well you will just have to wait”.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Stephen Chape
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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>>> Regards,
>>> Stephen Chape
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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> 
> Regards,
> Stephen Chape
> 
> 
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Re: SuperDuper not compatible with MacOS Big Sur yet ??

[Stephen Chape]

Hi again.

I might just wait a little longer for the SuperDuper upgrade.
If not forthcoming soon I may move to CCC.

The reason I use Time Machine and also SuperDuper:-
I feel that if my home is burgled and they take the Mac, the Time Machine drive 
will most likely go too.

So on the 1st of each month I take my SSD from my safe and do a SuperDuper 
backup.
I also store important files on Dropbox, but not photos and videos because of 
their size.

One can never back up too much 

> On 7 Dec 2020, at 8:15 am, Robin Belford  wrote:
> 
> Dear All,
> My experience is 
> - following a CCC update last week I now have a bootable Big Sur clone of my 
> computer (as well as the two Time Machine backups). This applies to all the 
> machines in our house.
> - my SuperDuper installations is patiently waiting for an upgrade.
> 
> An interesting and annoying side effect of booting into a Bir Sur clone for 
> testing, is when I boot back into the interanal drive all the pay cards in 
> the Wallet are disabled. It’s then a non intuitive process to restore them.
> 
> r
> 
> 
>> On 7 Dec 2020, at 7:49 am, Tim Law > <mailto:t...@peoplehelp.com.au>> wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks Ronni,
>> 
>> I've had another read of it after you posted it first. I think I’ll rely on 
>> time machine until the solution is clearer.
>> 
>> Regards
>> Tim
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from Tim's Retina iPad 2
>> 
>>> On 7 Dec 2020, at 7:35 am, Ronni Brown >> <mailto:ro...@mac.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Tim,
>>> 
>>> I’m still running High Sierra on my Computers.
>>> Have a read at this link  
>>> https://bombich.com/kb/ccc5/macos-big-sur-known-issues 
>>> <https://bombich.com/kb/ccc5/macos-big-sur-known-issues>
>>> 
>>> Kind Regards,
>>> Ronni
>>> 
>>>  Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 7 Dec 2020, at 6:57 am, Tim Law >>> <mailto:t...@peoplehelp.com.au>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Ronni does CCC still work okay with Big Sur?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Tim's red iPhone 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 7 Dec 2020, at 5:58 am, Ronni Brown >>>> <mailto:ro...@mac.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Stephen,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I’ve always used CCC, but I can’t remember the reason why I made that 
>>>>> decision.
>>>>> There was a reason... ;-)
>>>>> 
>>>>> Kind Regards,
>>>>> Ronni
>>>>> 
>>>>>  Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 6 Dec 2020, at 10:21 pm, Stephen Chape >>>>> <mailto:chap...@bigpond.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thank you Ronni.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Is your preference SuperDuper or CCC ?
>>>>>> SuperDuper seems to get “top of the list” in reviews.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 6 Dec 2020, at 6:26 pm, Ronni Brown >>>>>> <mailto:ro...@mac.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi Stephen,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> https://bombich.com/kb/ccc5/macos-big-sur-known-issues 
>>>>>>> <https://bombich.com/kb/ccc5/macos-big-sur-known-issues>
>>>>>>> Some Big Sur startup volumes don't appear in the Startup Disk 
>>>>>>> Preference Pane
>>>>>>> In the past, the Startup Disk Preference Pane would list all available 
>>>>>>> startup volumes, including volumes cloned by CCC (whether CCC used ASR 
>>>>>>> or its own file copier). Some Big Sur cloned volumes do not appear in 
>>>>>>> the Startup Disk Preference Pane, despite being perfectly bootable.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> We have reported this issue to Apple (FB8889774) and we are currently 
>>>>>>> awaiting a response.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Workaround: To boot from the cloned volume, restart your Mac while 
>>>>>>> holding down the Option key, then select the cloned volume in the 
>>>>>>> Startup Manager. When your Mac has completed booting, you can 
>>>>>>> optionally choose to set the startup disk to the current startup volume 
>>>>>>> (i.e. if you want the Mac to always boot from the cloned 

Re: SuperDuper not compatible with MacOS Big Sur yet ??

[Robin Belford]

Dear All,
My experience is 
- following a CCC update last week I now have a bootable Big Sur clone of my 
computer (as well as the two Time Machine backups). This applies to all the 
machines in our house.
- my SuperDuper installations is patiently waiting for an upgrade.

An interesting and annoying side effect of booting into a Bir Sur clone for 
testing, is when I boot back into the interanal drive all the pay cards in the 
Wallet are disabled. It’s then a non intuitive process to restore them.

r


> On 7 Dec 2020, at 7:49 am, Tim Law  wrote:
> 
> Thanks Ronni,
> 
> I've had another read of it after you posted it first. I think I’ll rely on 
> time machine until the solution is clearer.
> 
> Regards
> Tim
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from Tim's Retina iPad 2
> 
>> On 7 Dec 2020, at 7:35 am, Ronni Brown  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Tim,
>> 
>> I’m still running High Sierra on my Computers.
>> Have a read at this link  
>> https://bombich.com/kb/ccc5/macos-big-sur-known-issues 
>> <https://bombich.com/kb/ccc5/macos-big-sur-known-issues>
>> 
>> Kind Regards,
>> Ronni
>> 
>>  Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 7 Dec 2020, at 6:57 am, Tim Law  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ronni does CCC still work okay with Big Sur?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tim's red iPhone 
>>> 
>>>> On 7 Dec 2020, at 5:58 am, Ronni Brown  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Stephen,
>>>> 
>>>> I’ve always used CCC, but I can’t remember the reason why I made that 
>>>> decision.
>>>> There was a reason... ;-)
>>>> 
>>>> Kind Regards,
>>>> Ronni
>>>> 
>>>>  Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 6 Dec 2020, at 10:21 pm, Stephen Chape  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thank you Ronni.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Is your preference SuperDuper or CCC ?
>>>>> SuperDuper seems to get “top of the list” in reviews.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 6 Dec 2020, at 6:26 pm, Ronni Brown >>>>> <mailto:ro...@mac.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi Stephen,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> https://bombich.com/kb/ccc5/macos-big-sur-known-issues 
>>>>>> <https://bombich.com/kb/ccc5/macos-big-sur-known-issues>
>>>>>> Some Big Sur startup volumes don't appear in the Startup Disk Preference 
>>>>>> Pane
>>>>>> In the past, the Startup Disk Preference Pane would list all available 
>>>>>> startup volumes, including volumes cloned by CCC (whether CCC used ASR 
>>>>>> or its own file copier). Some Big Sur cloned volumes do not appear in 
>>>>>> the Startup Disk Preference Pane, despite being perfectly bootable.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> We have reported this issue to Apple (FB8889774) and we are currently 
>>>>>> awaiting a response.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Workaround: To boot from the cloned volume, restart your Mac while 
>>>>>> holding down the Option key, then select the cloned volume in the 
>>>>>> Startup Manager. When your Mac has completed booting, you can optionally 
>>>>>> choose to set the startup disk to the current startup volume (i.e. if 
>>>>>> you want the Mac to always boot from the cloned volume).
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Kind Regards,
>>>>>> Ronni
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 6 Dec 2020, at 5:57 pm, Stephen Chape >>>>>> <mailto:chap...@bigpond.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Thanks for that reply Tim.
>>>>>>> Are you using something else now then ?
>>>>>>> I had thought about looking at Carbon Copy Clone.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 6 Dec 2020, at 5:26 pm, Tim Law >>>>>>> <mailto:t...@peoplehelp.com.au>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I used to use SuperDuper and was pleased you took the initiative to 
>>>>>>>> find out from the manufacturer and share the information with us. 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I guess I can use that 1Tb drive

Re: SuperDuper not compatible with MacOS Big Sur yet ??

[Tim Law]

Thanks Ronni,

I've had another read of it after you posted it first. I think I’ll rely on 
time machine until the solution is clearer.

Regards
Tim




Sent from Tim's Retina iPad 2

> On 7 Dec 2020, at 7:35 am, Ronni Brown  wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim,
> 
> I’m still running High Sierra on my Computers.
> Have a read at this link  
> https://bombich.com/kb/ccc5/macos-big-sur-known-issues
> 
> Kind Regards,
> Ronni
> 
>  Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB 
> 
> 
>>> On 7 Dec 2020, at 6:57 am, Tim Law  wrote:
>>> 
>> Ronni does CCC still work okay with Big Sur?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Tim's red iPhone 
>> 
>>>> On 7 Dec 2020, at 5:58 am, Ronni Brown  wrote:
>>>> 
>>> Hi Stephen,
>>> 
>>> I’ve always used CCC, but I can’t remember the reason why I made that 
>>> decision.
>>> There was a reason... ;-)
>>> 
>>> Kind Regards,
>>> Ronni
>>> 
>>>  Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> On 6 Dec 2020, at 10:21 pm, Stephen Chape  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>> Thank you Ronni.
>>>> 
>>>> Is your preference SuperDuper or CCC ?
>>>> SuperDuper seems to get “top of the list” in reviews.
>>>> 
>>>>> On 6 Dec 2020, at 6:26 pm, Ronni Brown  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Stephen,
>>>>> 
>>>>> https://bombich.com/kb/ccc5/macos-big-sur-known-issues
>>>>> Some Big Sur startup volumes don't appear in the Startup Disk Preference 
>>>>> Pane
>>>>> In the past, the Startup Disk Preference Pane would list all available 
>>>>> startup volumes, including volumes cloned by CCC (whether CCC used ASR or 
>>>>> its own file copier). Some Big Sur cloned volumes do not appear in the 
>>>>> Startup Disk Preference Pane, despite being perfectly bootable.
>>>>> 
>>>>> We have reported this issue to Apple (FB8889774) and we are currently 
>>>>> awaiting a response.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Workaround: To boot from the cloned volume, restart your Mac while 
>>>>> holding down the Option key, then select the cloned volume in the Startup 
>>>>> Manager. When your Mac has completed booting, you can optionally choose 
>>>>> to set the startup disk to the current startup volume (i.e. if you want 
>>>>> the Mac to always boot from the cloned volume).
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Kind Regards,
>>>>> Ronni
>>>>> 
>>>>>  Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 6 Dec 2020, at 5:57 pm, Stephen Chape  wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks for that reply Tim.
>>>>>> Are you using something else now then ?
>>>>>> I had thought about looking at Carbon Copy Clone.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 6 Dec 2020, at 5:26 pm, Tim Law  wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I used to use SuperDuper and was pleased you took the initiative to 
>>>>>>> find out from the manufacturer and share the information with us. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I guess I can use that 1Tb drive for something else now!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>> Tim
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Tim's red iPhone 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On 6 Dec 2020, at 4:35 pm, Stephen Chape  wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hi folks.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I am finding this frustrating.
>>>>>>>> I have emailed Dave at Shirt Pocket only to be told “just use Time 
>>>>>>>> Machine in the meantime”.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Does anyone else in WAMUG use SuperDuper ?
>>>>>>>> I use Time Machine, but also use SuperDuper at regular intervals on a 
>>>>>>>> Drive locked in my safe.
>>>>>>>> I have not been able to do my 1st December SuperDuper “safe” backup.
>>>>>>>> And their seems to be not a lot of concern from Shirt Pocket.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> It’s like “oh well you will just have to wait”.
>>>>>>>> 
>

Re: SuperDuper not compatible with MacOS Big Sur yet ??

[Tim Law]

Ronni does CCC still work okay with Big Sur?



Tim's red iPhone 

> On 7 Dec 2020, at 5:58 am, Ronni Brown  wrote:
> 
> Hi Stephen,
> 
> I’ve always used CCC, but I can’t remember the reason why I made that 
> decision.
> There was a reason... ;-)
> 
> Kind Regards,
> Ronni
> 
>  Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB 
> 
> 
>>> On 6 Dec 2020, at 10:21 pm, Stephen Chape  wrote:
>>> 
>> Thank you Ronni.
>> 
>> Is your preference SuperDuper or CCC ?
>> SuperDuper seems to get “top of the list” in reviews.
>> 
>>> On 6 Dec 2020, at 6:26 pm, Ronni Brown  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Stephen,
>>> 
>>> https://bombich.com/kb/ccc5/macos-big-sur-known-issues
>>> Some Big Sur startup volumes don't appear in the Startup Disk Preference 
>>> Pane
>>> In the past, the Startup Disk Preference Pane would list all available 
>>> startup volumes, including volumes cloned by CCC (whether CCC used ASR or 
>>> its own file copier). Some Big Sur cloned volumes do not appear in the 
>>> Startup Disk Preference Pane, despite being perfectly bootable.
>>> 
>>> We have reported this issue to Apple (FB8889774) and we are currently 
>>> awaiting a response.
>>> 
>>> Workaround: To boot from the cloned volume, restart your Mac while holding 
>>> down the Option key, then select the cloned volume in the Startup Manager. 
>>> When your Mac has completed booting, you can optionally choose to set the 
>>> startup disk to the current startup volume (i.e. if you want the Mac to 
>>> always boot from the cloned volume).
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Kind Regards,
>>> Ronni
>>> 
>>>  Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> On 6 Dec 2020, at 5:57 pm, Stephen Chape  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>> Thanks for that reply Tim.
>>>> Are you using something else now then ?
>>>> I had thought about looking at Carbon Copy Clone.
>>>> 
>>>>> On 6 Dec 2020, at 5:26 pm, Tim Law  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I used to use SuperDuper and was pleased you took the initiative to find 
>>>>> out from the manufacturer and share the information with us. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I guess I can use that 1Tb drive for something else now!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> Tim
>>>>> 
>>>>> Tim's red iPhone 
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 6 Dec 2020, at 4:35 pm, Stephen Chape  wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi folks.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I am finding this frustrating.
>>>>>> I have emailed Dave at Shirt Pocket only to be told “just use Time 
>>>>>> Machine in the meantime”.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Does anyone else in WAMUG use SuperDuper ?
>>>>>> I use Time Machine, but also use SuperDuper at regular intervals on a 
>>>>>> Drive locked in my safe.
>>>>>> I have not been able to do my 1st December SuperDuper “safe” backup.
>>>>>> And their seems to be not a lot of concern from Shirt Pocket.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> It’s like “oh well you will just have to wait”.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Stephen Chape
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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SuperDuper not compatible with MacOS Big Sur yet ??

[Ronni Brown]

Hi Stephen,

https://bombich.com/kb/ccc5/macos-big-sur-known-issues
Some Big Sur startup volumes don't appear in the Startup Disk Preference Pane
In the past, the Startup Disk Preference Pane would list all available startup 
volumes, including volumes cloned by CCC (whether CCC used ASR or its own file 
copier). Some Big Sur cloned volumes do not appear in the Startup Disk 
Preference Pane, despite being perfectly bootable.

We have reported this issue to Apple (FB8889774) and we are currently awaiting 
a response.

Workaround: To boot from the cloned volume, restart your Mac while holding down 
the Option key, then select the cloned volume in the Startup Manager. When your 
Mac has completed booting, you can optionally choose to set the startup disk to 
the current startup volume (i.e. if you want the Mac to always boot from the 
cloned volume).



Kind Regards,
Ronni

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> On 6 Dec 2020, at 5:57 pm, Stephen Chape  wrote:
> Thanks for that reply Tim.
> Are you using something else now then ?
> I had thought about looking at Carbon Copy Clone.
> 
>> On 6 Dec 2020, at 5:26 pm, Tim Law  wrote:
>> 
>> I used to use SuperDuper and was pleased you took the initiative to find out 
>> from the manufacturer and share the information with us. 
>> 
>> I guess I can use that 1Tb drive for something else now!
>> 
>> Regards
>> Tim
>> 
>> Tim's red iPhone 
>> 
>>> On 6 Dec 2020, at 4:35 pm, Stephen Chape  wrote:
>>> Hi folks.
>>> 
>>> I am finding this frustrating.
>>> I have emailed Dave at Shirt Pocket only to be told “just use Time Machine 
>>> in the meantime”.
>>> 
>>> Does anyone else in WAMUG use SuperDuper ?
>>> I use Time Machine, but also use SuperDuper at regular intervals on a Drive 
>>> locked in my safe.
>>> I have not been able to do my 1st December SuperDuper “safe” backup.
>>> And their seems to be not a lot of concern from Shirt Pocket.
>>> 
>>> It’s like “oh well you will just have to wait”.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Stephen Chape
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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> 
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Re: SuperDuper not compatible with MacOS Big Sur yet ??

[Ronni Brown]

Hi Stephen,

https://bombich.com/kb/ccc5/macos-big-sur-known-issues
Some Big Sur startup volumes don't appear in the Startup Disk Preference Pane
In the past, the Startup Disk Preference Pane would list all available startup 
volumes, including volumes cloned by CCC (whether CCC used ASR or its own file 
copier). Some Big Sur cloned volumes do not appear in the Startup Disk 
Preference Pane, despite being perfectly bootable.

We have reported this issue to Apple (FB8889774) and we are currently awaiting 
a response.

Workaround: To boot from the cloned volume, restart your Mac while holding down 
the Option key, then select the cloned volume in the Startup Manager. When your 
Mac has completed booting, you can optionally choose to set the startup disk to 
the current startup volume (i.e. if you want the Mac to always boot from the 
cloned volume).



Kind Regards,
Ronni

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> On 6 Dec 2020, at 5:57 pm, Stephen Chape  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for that reply Tim.
> Are you using something else now then ?
> I had thought about looking at Carbon Copy Clone.
> 
>> On 6 Dec 2020, at 5:26 pm, Tim Law  wrote:
>> 
>> I used to use SuperDuper and was pleased you took the initiative to find out 
>> from the manufacturer and share the information with us. 
>> 
>> I guess I can use that 1Tb drive for something else now!
>> 
>> Regards
>> Tim
>> 
>> Tim's red iPhone 
>> 
>>>> On 6 Dec 2020, at 4:35 pm, Stephen Chape  wrote:
>>>> 
>>> Hi folks.
>>> 
>>> I am finding this frustrating.
>>> I have emailed Dave at Shirt Pocket only to be told “just use Time Machine 
>>> in the meantime”.
>>> 
>>> Does anyone else in WAMUG use SuperDuper ?
>>> I use Time Machine, but also use SuperDuper at regular intervals on a Drive 
>>> locked in my safe.
>>> I have not been able to do my 1st December SuperDuper “safe” backup.
>>> And their seems to be not a lot of concern from Shirt Pocket.
>>> 
>>> It’s like “oh well you will just have to wait”.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Stephen Chape
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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> 
> 
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Re: SuperDuper not compatible with MacOS Big Sur yet ??

[Stephen Chape]

Thank you Ronni.

Is your preference SuperDuper or CCC ?
SuperDuper seems to get “top of the list” in reviews.

> On 6 Dec 2020, at 6:26 pm, Ronni Brown  wrote:
> 
> Hi Stephen,
> 
> https://bombich.com/kb/ccc5/macos-big-sur-known-issues 
> <https://bombich.com/kb/ccc5/macos-big-sur-known-issues>
> Some Big Sur startup volumes don't appear in the Startup Disk Preference Pane
> In the past, the Startup Disk Preference Pane would list all available 
> startup volumes, including volumes cloned by CCC (whether CCC used ASR or its 
> own file copier). Some Big Sur cloned volumes do not appear in the Startup 
> Disk Preference Pane, despite being perfectly bootable.
> 
> We have reported this issue to Apple (FB8889774) and we are currently 
> awaiting a response.
> 
> Workaround: To boot from the cloned volume, restart your Mac while holding 
> down the Option key, then select the cloned volume in the Startup Manager. 
> When your Mac has completed booting, you can optionally choose to set the 
> startup disk to the current startup volume (i.e. if you want the Mac to 
> always boot from the cloned volume).
> 
> 
> 
> Kind Regards,
> Ronni
> 
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> 
> 
>> On 6 Dec 2020, at 5:57 pm, Stephen Chape  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks for that reply Tim.
>> Are you using something else now then ?
>> I had thought about looking at Carbon Copy Clone.
>> 
>>> On 6 Dec 2020, at 5:26 pm, Tim Law >> <mailto:t...@peoplehelp.com.au>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I used to use SuperDuper and was pleased you took the initiative to find 
>>> out from the manufacturer and share the information with us. 
>>> 
>>> I guess I can use that 1Tb drive for something else now!
>>> 
>>> Regards
>>> Tim
>>> 
>>> Tim's red iPhone 
>>> 
>>>> On 6 Dec 2020, at 4:35 pm, Stephen Chape >>> <mailto:chap...@bigpond.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi folks.
>>>> 
>>>> I am finding this frustrating.
>>>> I have emailed Dave at Shirt Pocket only to be told “just use Time Machine 
>>>> in the meantime”.
>>>> 
>>>> Does anyone else in WAMUG use SuperDuper ?
>>>> I use Time Machine, but also use SuperDuper at regular intervals on a 
>>>> Drive locked in my safe.
>>>> I have not been able to do my 1st December SuperDuper “safe” backup.
>>>> And their seems to be not a lot of concern from Shirt Pocket.
>>>> 
>>>> It’s like “oh well you will just have to wait”.
>>>> 
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Stephen Chape
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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Re: SuperDuper not compatible with MacOS Big Sur yet ??

[Tim Law]

Nothing new Stephen

Just relying on Time Machine.

Regards

> On 6 Dec 2020, at 5:57 pm, Stephen Chape  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for that reply Tim.
> Are you using something else now then ?
> I had thought about looking at Carbon Copy Clone.
> 
>> On 6 Dec 2020, at 5:26 pm, Tim Law > > wrote:
>> 
>> I used to use SuperDuper and was pleased you took the initiative to find out 
>> from the manufacturer and share the information with us. 
>> 
>> I guess I can use that 1Tb drive for something else now!
>> 
>> Regards
>> Tim
>> 
>> Tim's red iPhone 
>> 
>>> On 6 Dec 2020, at 4:35 pm, Stephen Chape >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi folks.
>>> 
>>> I am finding this frustrating.
>>> I have emailed Dave at Shirt Pocket only to be told “just use Time Machine 
>>> in the meantime”.
>>> 
>>> Does anyone else in WAMUG use SuperDuper ?
>>> I use Time Machine, but also use SuperDuper at regular intervals on a Drive 
>>> locked in my safe.
>>> I have not been able to do my 1st December SuperDuper “safe” backup.
>>> And their seems to be not a lot of concern from Shirt Pocket.
>>> 
>>> It’s like “oh well you will just have to wait”.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Stephen Chape
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: SuperDuper not compatible with MacOS Big Sur yet ??

[Stephen Chape]

Thanks for that reply Tim.
Are you using something else now then ?
I had thought about looking at Carbon Copy Clone.

> On 6 Dec 2020, at 5:26 pm, Tim Law  wrote:
> 
> I used to use SuperDuper and was pleased you took the initiative to find out 
> from the manufacturer and share the information with us. 
> 
> I guess I can use that 1Tb drive for something else now!
> 
> Regards
> Tim
> 
> Tim's red iPhone 
> 
>> On 6 Dec 2020, at 4:35 pm, Stephen Chape  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi folks.
>> 
>> I am finding this frustrating.
>> I have emailed Dave at Shirt Pocket only to be told “just use Time Machine 
>> in the meantime”.
>> 
>> Does anyone else in WAMUG use SuperDuper ?
>> I use Time Machine, but also use SuperDuper at regular intervals on a Drive 
>> locked in my safe.
>> I have not been able to do my 1st December SuperDuper “safe” backup.
>> And their seems to be not a lot of concern from Shirt Pocket.
>> 
>> It’s like “oh well you will just have to wait”.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Stephen Chape
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: SuperDuper not compatible with MacOS Big Sur yet ??

[Tim Law]

I used to use SuperDuper and was pleased you took the initiative to find out 
from the manufacturer and share the information with us. 

I guess I can use that 1Tb drive for something else now!

Regards
Tim

Tim's red iPhone 

> On 6 Dec 2020, at 4:35 pm, Stephen Chape  wrote:
> 
> Hi folks.
> 
> I am finding this frustrating.
> I have emailed Dave at Shirt Pocket only to be told “just use Time Machine in 
> the meantime”.
> 
> Does anyone else in WAMUG use SuperDuper ?
> I use Time Machine, but also use SuperDuper at regular intervals on a Drive 
> locked in my safe.
> I have not been able to do my 1st December SuperDuper “safe” backup.
> And their seems to be not a lot of concern from Shirt Pocket.
> 
> It’s like “oh well you will just have to wait”.
> 
> Regards,
> Stephen Chape
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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SuperDuper not compatible with MacOS Big Sur yet ??

[Stephen Chape]

Hi folks.

I am finding this frustrating.
I have emailed Dave at Shirt Pocket only to be told “just use Time Machine in 
the meantime”.

Does anyone else in WAMUG use SuperDuper ?
I use Time Machine, but also use SuperDuper at regular intervals on a Drive 
locked in my safe.
I have not been able to do my 1st December SuperDuper “safe” backup.
And their seems to be not a lot of concern from Shirt Pocket.

It’s like “oh well you will just have to wait”.

Regards,
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Re: A macOS Catalina tip from my experience

[Ronni Brown]

Hi members thinking of upgrading to macOS Catalina,

I suggest this article by Jason Snell is well worth reading.

https://sixcolors.com/post/2019/10/macos-catalina-review-new-era-ahead-proceed-with-caution/

macOS Catalina review: New era ahead, proceed with caution


Kind Regards,
Ronni

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> On 13 Oct 2019, at 11:13 am, Philippe Chaperon  wrote:
> 
> Hi Neil and Steven, 
> 
> I do use both MacFamily Tree and Reunion, the latter for many years. Being a 
> software freak (!) I try almost anything on the provisor the cost is not 
> expensive. I have found Reunion to be very stable hence I use it for my main 
> genealogy database. However MacFamily Tree does produce some very nice Family 
> Trees, hence use it for producing Trees for my relatives. 
> 
> I have kept up-to-date to with Reunion because it is a software produced for 
> the Mac and Leister Productions having supported the Mac platform when others 
> were deserting it in the years gone by, I want to keep supporting them. True, 
> it may cost a bit more but its stability is proverbial.
> 
> By the way I also use Heredis, which is also excellent, but Reunion remains 
> my main database genealogy application.  
> 
> 
> It is great that MacFamily Tree has offered to convert your Reunion database 
> to a .ged file. As a precaution I do create Reunion gedcom files on a fairly 
> regular basis which I then import into Heredis and MacFamily Tree.
> 
> Wishing you all the best,
> 
> Genealogically yours! 
> 
> Philippe Chaperon 
> 
> Philippe dit la Grenouille ...
> 
> On 13 Oct 2019, at 10:43 am, Stephen Chape  wrote:
> 
> Hi Neil,
> 
> I just thought MacFamily Tree looks like a much nicer interface.
> 
> Also Reunion want $45.00 US just to upgrade.
> MFT is $49.95 AU and is in the App Store (so approved by Apple).
> 
> MacFamilyTree is 64 bit (not sure if the latest Reunion 12 is 64 bit.
> 
> MFT is also getting good reviews from people who have used it for a long time.
> 
> But if you are moving away from Reunion, make sure you export a GEDCOM file 
> before installing macOS Catalina.
> And maybe any other export formats offered.
> So you may be ready for whatever you migrate to.
> 
>> On 13 Oct 2019, at 10:16 am, Neil Houghton  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Stephen,
>>  
>> I must get back to my genealogy soon - it’s been far too long!!
>>  
>> Out of interest, what is your reason for wanting to move from Reunion to 
>> MacFamilyTree.
>>  
>> Having been a Reunion user since (I think) Reunion 3 (when you got a disk 
>> and a manual in the post!) I have always been very happy with it - but I 
>> know nothing about MacFamilyTree - so I’m interested to know why you prefer 
>> it?
>>  
>>  
>> Cheers
>>  
>>  
>> Neil
>>  
>> From:  on behalf of Stephen 
>> Chape 
>> Reply-To: 
>> Date: Friday, 11 October 2019 at 17:49
>> To: WAMUG Mailing List 
>> Subject: Re: A macOS Catalina tip from my experience
>>  
>> Thanks Peter.
>> I just downloaded and ran Go64.
>>  
>> Got rid of a few more old 32 bit apps.
>> Problem is I already installed macOS Catalina.
>> So I am now stuck with Reunion 10 which will not run.
>> I may be forced to upgrade Reunion 10 but I was hoping to move to 
>> MacFamilyTree.
>>  
>> However the people at MacFamilyTree have offered to convert my Reunion date 
>> files to GEDCOM files.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 11 Oct 2019, at 8:05 am, Peter Hinchliffe  
>>> wrote:
>>>  
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 10 Oct 2019, at 3:49 pm, Stephen Chape  wrote:
>>>>  
>>>> Hi folks.
>>>>  
>>>> Hi mate,
>>>>  
>>>> With Catalina Apple have finally dropped all support for 32 bit 
>>>> applications.
>>>> So before installing Catalina check which of your apps do not operate on 
>>>> 64 bit.
>>>>  
>>>> Go to “About this Mac” at top left of Desktop.
>>>> Click on “System Report”
>>>> Click on “Applications” and wait for the screen to load.
>>>>  
>>>> Each application will tell you if it is 64 bit or 32 bit (and some will be 
>>>> 32/64 bit)
>>>> I thought there was a column on that screen indicating this.
>>>> But I cannot see it so you may have to click on each line (application) to 
>>>> find out.
>>>>  
>>>> Other than that everything is running fine for me so far.
>>>>  
>>>>  
>>>> Regards,
>&g

Re: A macOS Catalina tip from my experience

[Philippe Chaperon]

Hi Neil and Steven, 

I do use both MacFamily Tree and Reunion, the latter for many years. Being a 
software freak (!) I try almost anything on the provisor the cost is not 
expensive. I have found Reunion to be very stable hence I use it for my main 
genealogy database. However MacFamily Tree does produce some very nice Family 
Trees, hence use it for producing Trees for my relatives. 

I have kept up-to-date to with Reunion because it is a software produced for 
the Mac and Leister Productions having supported the Mac platform when others 
were deserting it in the years gone by, I want to keep supporting them. True, 
it may cost a bit more but its stability is proverbial.

By the way I also use Heredis, which is also excellent, but Reunion remains my 
main database genealogy application.  


It is great that MacFamily Tree has offered to convert your Reunion database to 
a .ged file. As a precaution I do create Reunion gedcom files on a fairly 
regular basis which I then import into Heredis and MacFamily Tree.

Wishing you all the best,

Genealogically yours! 

Philippe Chaperon 

Philippe dit la Grenouille ...

On 13 Oct 2019, at 10:43 am, Stephen Chape  wrote:

Hi Neil,

I just thought MacFamily Tree looks like a much nicer interface.

Also Reunion want $45.00 US just to upgrade.
MFT is $49.95 AU and is in the App Store (so approved by Apple).

MacFamilyTree is 64 bit (not sure if the latest Reunion 12 is 64 bit.

MFT is also getting good reviews from people who have used it for a long time.

But if you are moving away from Reunion, make sure you export a GEDCOM file 
before installing macOS Catalina.
And maybe any other export formats offered.
So you may be ready for whatever you migrate to.

> On 13 Oct 2019, at 10:16 am, Neil Houghton  <mailto:n...@possumology.com>> wrote:
> 
> Hi Stephen,
>  
> I must get back to my genealogy soon - it’s been far too long!!
>  
> Out of interest, what is your reason for wanting to move from Reunion to 
> MacFamilyTree.
>  
> Having been a Reunion user since (I think) Reunion 3 (when you got a disk and 
> a manual in the post!) I have always been very happy with it - but I know 
> nothing about MacFamilyTree - so I’m interested to know why you prefer it?
>  
>  
> Cheers
>  
>  
> Neil
>  
> From:  <mailto:wamug.org.au-wamug-boun...@lists.wamug.org.au>> on behalf of Stephen 
> Chape mailto:chap...@bigpond.com>>
> Reply-To: mailto:wamug@wamug.org.au>>
> Date: Friday, 11 October 2019 at 17:49
> To: WAMUG Mailing List mailto:wamug@wamug.org.au>>
> Subject: Re: A macOS Catalina tip from my experience
>  
> Thanks Peter.
> I just downloaded and ran Go64.
>  
> Got rid of a few more old 32 bit apps.
> Problem is I already installed macOS Catalina.
> So I am now stuck with Reunion 10 which will not run.
> I may be forced to upgrade Reunion 10 but I was hoping to move to 
> MacFamilyTree.
>  
> However the people at MacFamilyTree have offered to convert my Reunion date 
> files to GEDCOM files.
> 
> 
>> On 11 Oct 2019, at 8:05 am, Peter Hinchliffe > <mailto:hinch...@multiline.com.au>> wrote:
>>  
>>  
>> 
>> 
>>> On 10 Oct 2019, at 3:49 pm, Stephen Chape >> <mailto:chap...@bigpond.com>> wrote:
>>>  
>>> Hi folks.
>>>  
>>> Hi mate,
>>>  
>>> With Catalina Apple have finally dropped all support for 32 bit 
>>> applications.
>>> So before installing Catalina check which of your apps do not operate on 64 
>>> bit.
>>>  
>>> Go to “About this Mac” at top left of Desktop.
>>> Click on “System Report”
>>> Click on “Applications” and wait for the screen to load.
>>>  
>>> Each application will tell you if it is 64 bit or 32 bit (and some will be 
>>> 32/64 bit)
>>> I thought there was a column on that screen indicating this.
>>> But I cannot see it so you may have to click on each line (application) to 
>>> find out.
>>>  
>>> Other than that everything is running fine for me so far.
>>>  
>>>  
>>> Regards,
>>> Stephen Chape
>>  
>> Good advice, but Even Better Than That….
>>  
>> Search for “Go64” in your favourite search engine. You’ll be taken to the 
>> (FREE!) Go64 App by St Clair Software, makers of Default Folder.
>>  
>> Go64 is System Report on steroids: many 64-bit apps still have some 32-bit 
>> components which may or may not affect their performance. Go64 will help you 
>> identify these very esaily and let you make a decision about them. Go64 also 
>> has many other functions, such as giving you the chance to delete 
>> problematic Apps from with its own interfa

Re: A macOS Catalina tip from my experience

[Stephen Chape]

Hi Neil,

I just thought MacFamily Tree looks like a much nicer interface.

Also Reunion want $45.00 US just to upgrade.
MFT is $49.95 AU and is in the App Store (so approved by Apple).

MacFamilyTree is 64 bit (not sure if the latest Reunion 12 is 64 bit.

MFT is also getting good reviews from people who have used it for a long time.

But if you are moving away from Reunion, make sure you export a GEDCOM file 
before installing macOS Catalina.
And maybe any other export formats offered.
So you may be ready for whatever you migrate to.

> On 13 Oct 2019, at 10:16 am, Neil Houghton  wrote:
> 
> Hi Stephen,
>  
> I must get back to my genealogy soon - it’s been far too long!!
>  
> Out of interest, what is your reason for wanting to move from Reunion to 
> MacFamilyTree.
>  
> Having been a Reunion user since (I think) Reunion 3 (when you got a disk and 
> a manual in the post!) I have always been very happy with it - but I know 
> nothing about MacFamilyTree - so I’m interested to know why you prefer it?
>  
>  
> Cheers
>  
>  
> Neil
>  
> From:  on behalf of Stephen 
> Chape 
> Reply-To: 
> Date: Friday, 11 October 2019 at 17:49
> To: WAMUG Mailing List 
> Subject: Re: A macOS Catalina tip from my experience
>  
> Thanks Peter.
> I just downloaded and ran Go64.
>  
> Got rid of a few more old 32 bit apps.
> Problem is I already installed macOS Catalina.
> So I am now stuck with Reunion 10 which will not run.
> I may be forced to upgrade Reunion 10 but I was hoping to move to 
> MacFamilyTree.
>  
> However the people at MacFamilyTree have offered to convert my Reunion date 
> files to GEDCOM files.
> 
> 
>> On 11 Oct 2019, at 8:05 am, Peter Hinchliffe > <mailto:hinch...@multiline.com.au>> wrote:
>>  
>>  
>> 
>> 
>>> On 10 Oct 2019, at 3:49 pm, Stephen Chape >> <mailto:chap...@bigpond.com>> wrote:
>>>  
>>> Hi folks.
>>>  
>>> Hi mate,
>>>  
>>> With Catalina Apple have finally dropped all support for 32 bit 
>>> applications.
>>> So before installing Catalina check which of your apps do not operate on 64 
>>> bit.
>>>  
>>> Go to “About this Mac” at top left of Desktop.
>>> Click on “System Report”
>>> Click on “Applications” and wait for the screen to load.
>>>  
>>> Each application will tell you if it is 64 bit or 32 bit (and some will be 
>>> 32/64 bit)
>>> I thought there was a column on that screen indicating this.
>>> But I cannot see it so you may have to click on each line (application) to 
>>> find out.
>>>  
>>> Other than that everything is running fine for me so far.
>>>  
>>>  
>>> Regards,
>>> Stephen Chape
>>  
>> Good advice, but Even Better Than That….
>>  
>> Search for “Go64” in your favourite search engine. You’ll be taken to the 
>> (FREE!) Go64 App by St Clair Software, makers of Default Folder.
>>  
>> Go64 is System Report on steroids: many 64-bit apps still have some 32-bit 
>> components which may or may not affect their performance. Go64 will help you 
>> identify these very esaily and let you make a decision about them. Go64 also 
>> has many other functions, such as giving you the chance to delete 
>> problematic Apps from with its own interface - a huge time saver. It has 
>> many other convenient functions as well.
>>  
>> We showed this off at the WAMUG meeting last week. Highly recommended.
>>  
>> Kind regards,
>>  
>> Peter HinchliffeApwin Computer Services
>> FileMaker Pro Solutions Developer
>> Perth, Western Australia
>> Phone (618) 9332 6482Mob 0403 046 948
>> 
>> Mac because I prefer it -- Windows because I have to.
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>  
> 
> Regards,
> Stephen Chape
>  
>  
>  
>  
> 
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Re: A macOS Catalina tip from my experience

[Neil Houghton]

Hi Stephen,

 

I must get back to my genealogy soon - it’s been far too long!!

 

Out of interest, what is your reason for wanting to move from Reunion to 
MacFamilyTree.

 

Having been a Reunion user since (I think) Reunion 3 (when you got a disk and a 
manual in the post!) I have always been very happy with it - but I know nothing 
about MacFamilyTree - so I’m interested to know why you prefer it?

 

 

Cheers

 

 

Neil

 

From:  on behalf of Stephen 
Chape 
Reply-To: 
Date: Friday, 11 October 2019 at 17:49
To: WAMUG Mailing List 
Subject: Re: A macOS Catalina tip from my experience

 

Thanks Peter.

I just downloaded and ran Go64.

 

Got rid of a few more old 32 bit apps.

Problem is I already installed macOS Catalina.

So I am now stuck with Reunion 10 which will not run.

I may be forced to upgrade Reunion 10 but I was hoping to move to MacFamilyTree.

 

However the people at MacFamilyTree have offered to convert my Reunion date 
files to GEDCOM files.



On 11 Oct 2019, at 8:05 am, Peter Hinchliffe  wrote:

 

 



On 10 Oct 2019, at 3:49 pm, Stephen Chape  wrote:

 

Hi folks.

 

Hi mate,

 

With Catalina Apple have finally dropped all support for 32 bit applications.

So before installing Catalina check which of your apps do not operate on 64 bit.

 

Go to “About this Mac” at top left of Desktop.

Click on “System Report”

Click on “Applications” and wait for the screen to load.

 

Each application will tell you if it is 64 bit or 32 bit (and some will be 
32/64 bit)

I thought there was a column on that screen indicating this.

But I cannot see it so you may have to click on each line (application) to find 
out.

 

Other than that everything is running fine for me so far.

 

 

Regards,
Stephen Chape

 

Good advice, but Even Better Than That….

 

Search for “Go64” in your favourite search engine. You’ll be taken to the 
(FREE!) Go64 App by St Clair Software, makers of Default Folder.

 

Go64 is System Report on steroids: many 64-bit apps still have some 32-bit 
components which may or may not affect their performance. Go64 will help you 
identify these very esaily and let you make a decision about them. Go64 also 
has many other functions, such as giving you the chance to delete problematic 
Apps from with its own interface - a huge time saver. It has many other 
convenient functions as well.

 

We showed this off at the WAMUG meeting last week. Highly recommended.

 

Kind regards,

 

Peter HinchliffeApwin Computer Services

FileMaker Pro Solutions Developer
Perth, Western Australia
Phone (618) 9332 6482Mob 0403 046 948

Mac because I prefer it -- Windows because I have to.

 

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Re: Unable to open Photos Library in macOS Catalina ?

[Tim Law]

Good morning,

iMac (Retina 5K, 27-inch, 2017)
MacBook Pro (Retina, 13-inch, Late 2013)


I’ve also got a problem with Photo’s in Catalina where the Photo’s Library I am 
using is not uploading to iCloud. It is downloading from iCloud and connected 
in iCloud preferences, but the ‘last update’ date on the library is the day I 
updated to Catalina and changes I make are not going back to the cloud. 

In Photos > Preferences > General > Library Location > I cannot select “Use as 
system library” - it is greyed out. 

Yet, when I quit Photos, and hold down Option when reopening Photos - my 
preferred Photos Library is listed as the System Photo Library, and reselecting 
it doesn’t change anything. 

This is the same on both desktop machines running Catalina. 

I’m also having wake up from sleep issues, but will try a PRAM and SMC reset as 
suggested in the Apple forums. 

Thoughts anyone?

Thanks

Tim



> On 10 Oct 2019, at 4:25 pm, Stephen Chape  wrote:
> 
> Hi folks.
> Well this is a first for me … encountering an issue with a new macOS.
> 
> I am being asked to repair Photos Library.
> Having agreed to do that and performing the exercise apparently successfully, 
> I get the message
> “Photos was unable to open the library”.(1000)
> 
> Any suggestions please ?
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Stephen Chape
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: A macOS Catalina tip from my experience

[Stephen Chape]

Thanks Peter.
I just downloaded and ran Go64.

Got rid of a few more old 32 bit apps.
Problem is I already installed macOS Catalina.
So I am now stuck with Reunion 10 which will not run.
I may be forced to upgrade Reunion 10 but I was hoping to move to MacFamilyTree.

However the people at MacFamilyTree have offered to convert my Reunion date 
files to GEDCOM files.

> On 11 Oct 2019, at 8:05 am, Peter Hinchliffe  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On 10 Oct 2019, at 3:49 pm, Stephen Chape > <mailto:chap...@bigpond.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi folks.
>> 
>> Hi mate,
>> 
>> With Catalina Apple have finally dropped all support for 32 bit applications.
>> So before installing Catalina check which of your apps do not operate on 64 
>> bit.
>> 
>> Go to “About this Mac” at top left of Desktop.
>> Click on “System Report”
>> Click on “Applications” and wait for the screen to load.
>> 
>> Each application will tell you if it is 64 bit or 32 bit (and some will be 
>> 32/64 bit)
>> I thought there was a column on that screen indicating this.
>> But I cannot see it so you may have to click on each line (application) to 
>> find out.
>> 
>> Other than that everything is running fine for me so far.
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Stephen Chape
> 
> Good advice, but Even Better Than That….
> 
> Search for “Go64” in your favourite search engine. You’ll be taken to the 
> (FREE!) Go64 App by St Clair Software, makers of Default Folder.
> 
> Go64 is System Report on steroids: many 64-bit apps still have some 32-bit 
> components which may or may not affect their performance. Go64 will help you 
> identify these very esaily and let you make a decision about them. Go64 also 
> has many other functions, such as giving you the chance to delete problematic 
> Apps from with its own interface - a huge time saver. It has many other 
> convenient functions as well.
> 
> We showed this off at the WAMUG meeting last week. Highly recommended.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Peter HinchliffeApwin Computer Services
> FileMaker Pro Solutions Developer
> Perth, Western Australia
> Phone (618) 9332 6482Mob 0403 046 948
> 
> Mac because I prefer it -- Windows because I have to.
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Re: A macOS Catalina tip from my experience

[Stephen Chape]

Ta Peter.
I will definitely look at that 

> On 11 Oct 2019, at 8:05 am, Peter Hinchliffe  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On 10 Oct 2019, at 3:49 pm, Stephen Chape > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi folks.
>> 
>> Hi mate,
>> 
>> With Catalina Apple have finally dropped all support for 32 bit applications.
>> So before installing Catalina check which of your apps do not operate on 64 
>> bit.
>> 
>> Go to “About this Mac” at top left of Desktop.
>> Click on “System Report”
>> Click on “Applications” and wait for the screen to load.
>> 
>> Each application will tell you if it is 64 bit or 32 bit (and some will be 
>> 32/64 bit)
>> I thought there was a column on that screen indicating this.
>> But I cannot see it so you may have to click on each line (application) to 
>> find out.
>> 
>> Other than that everything is running fine for me so far.
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Stephen Chape
> 
> Good advice, but Even Better Than That….
> 
> Search for “Go64” in your favourite search engine. You’ll be taken to the 
> (FREE!) Go64 App by St Clair Software, makers of Default Folder.
> 
> Go64 is System Report on steroids: many 64-bit apps still have some 32-bit 
> components which may or may not affect their performance. Go64 will help you 
> identify these very esaily and let you make a decision about them. Go64 also 
> has many other functions, such as giving you the chance to delete problematic 
> Apps from with its own interface - a huge time saver. It has many other 
> convenient functions as well.
> 
> We showed this off at the WAMUG meeting last week. Highly recommended.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Peter HinchliffeApwin Computer Services
> FileMaker Pro Solutions Developer
> Perth, Western Australia
> Phone (618) 9332 6482Mob 0403 046 948
> 
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Re: A macOS Catalina tip from my experience

[Peter Hinchliffe]

> On 10 Oct 2019, at 3:49 pm, Stephen Chape  wrote:
> 
> Hi folks.
> 
> Hi mate,
> 
> With Catalina Apple have finally dropped all support for 32 bit applications.
> So before installing Catalina check which of your apps do not operate on 64 
> bit.
> 
> Go to “About this Mac” at top left of Desktop.
> Click on “System Report”
> Click on “Applications” and wait for the screen to load.
> 
> Each application will tell you if it is 64 bit or 32 bit (and some will be 
> 32/64 bit)
> I thought there was a column on that screen indicating this.
> But I cannot see it so you may have to click on each line (application) to 
> find out.
> 
> Other than that everything is running fine for me so far.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Stephen Chape

Good advice, but Even Better Than That….

Search for “Go64” in your favourite search engine. You’ll be taken to the 
(FREE!) Go64 App by St Clair Software, makers of Default Folder.

Go64 is System Report on steroids: many 64-bit apps still have some 32-bit 
components which may or may not affect their performance. Go64 will help you 
identify these very esaily and let you make a decision about them. Go64 also 
has many other functions, such as giving you the chance to delete problematic 
Apps from with its own interface - a huge time saver. It has many other 
convenient functions as well.

We showed this off at the WAMUG meeting last week. Highly recommended.

Kind regards,

Peter HinchliffeApwin Computer Services
FileMaker Pro Solutions Developer
Perth, Western Australia
Phone (618) 9332 6482Mob 0403 046 948

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Fwd: Unable to open Photos Library in macOS Catalina ?

[Stephen Chape]

Just found a way around this, so all good now.
But don’t ask me how ?

> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> From: Stephen Chape 
> Subject: Unable to open Photos Library in macOS Catalina ?
> Date: 10 Oct 2019 at 4:25:48 pm AWST
> To: WAMUG Mailing List 
> 
> Hi folks.
> Well this is a first for me … encountering an issue with a new macOS.
> 
> I am being asked to repair Photos Library.
> Having agreed to do that and performing the exercise apparently successfully, 
> I get the message
> “Photos was unable to open the library”.(1000)
> 
> Any suggestions please ?
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Stephen Chape
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 


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Unable to open Photos Library in macOS Catalina ?

[Stephen Chape]

Hi folks.
Well this is a first for me … encountering an issue with a new macOS.

I am being asked to repair Photos Library.
Having agreed to do that and performing the exercise apparently successfully, I 
get the message
“Photos was unable to open the library”.(1000)

Any suggestions please ?


Regards,
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A macOS Catalina tip from my experience

[Stephen Chape]

Hi folks.

Hi mate,

With Catalina Apple have finally dropped all support for 32 bit applications.
So before installing Catalina check which of your apps do not operate on 64 bit.

Go to “About this Mac” at top left of Desktop.
Click on “System Report”
Click on “Applications” and wait for the screen to load.

Each application will tell you if it is 64 bit or 32 bit (and some will be 
32/64 bit)
I thought there was a column on that screen indicating this.
But I cannot see it so you may have to click on each line (application) to find 
out.

Other than that everything is running fine for me so far.


Regards,
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Re: NOTES in MacOS

[Marcus Harris]

Thanks Robin,
I tried filling in a heading and text but that didn’t resolve it. I’ll let you 
know if and when I do .
Thanks and best wishes
Marcus
Marcus Harris
P.O. Box 7135
Shenton Park
Western Australia 6008
Australia
Cryptodome Pty Ltd
cryptodo...@me.com
Mob: +61 (0) 417965618



> On 21 Aug 2019, at 1:08 pm, Robin Belford  wrote:
> 
> Hi Marcus,
> 
> I suspect it is related to the following.
> Do you have  2 notes that contained an email address and nothing more?
> Something like you might have created to remember a particular email.
> 
> If so, delete these and then reopen notes, (or add a line on top saying Mr 
> xxx’s email, or similar).
> 
> cheers,
> 
> robin
> 
> 
>> On 21 Aug 2019, at 12:05 pm, Marcus Harris  wrote:
>> 
>> There must be simple solution, but every time I open NOTES in MacOS , two 
>> addressed emails popup ready to be filled with text and sent.
>> I tried switching accounts, but that didn’t solve it.
>> Any ideas on how to stop this? 
>> Cheers
>> Marcus
>> Marcus Harris
>> P.O. Box 7135
>> Shenton Park
>> Western Australia 6008
>> Australia
>> Cryptodome Pty Ltd
>> cryptodo...@me.com
>> Mob: +61 (0) 417965618
>> 
>> 
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>> OS10.13.6
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Re: NOTES in MacOS

[Robin Belford]

Hi Marcus,

I suspect it is related to the following.
Do you have  2 notes that contained an email address and nothing more?
Something like you might have created to remember a particular email.

If so, delete these and then reopen notes, (or add a line on top saying Mr 
xxx’s email, or similar).

cheers,

robin


> On 21 Aug 2019, at 12:05 pm, Marcus Harris  wrote:
> 
> There must be simple solution, but every time I open NOTES in MacOS , two 
> addressed emails popup ready to be filled with text and sent.
> I tried switching accounts, but that didn’t solve it.
> Any ideas on how to stop this? 
> Cheers
> Marcus
> Marcus Harris
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> Shenton Park
> Western Australia 6008
> Australia
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NOTES in MacOS

[Marcus Harris]

There must be simple solution, but every time I open NOTES in MacOS , two 
addressed emails popup ready to be filled with text and sent.
I tried switching accounts, but that didn’t solve it.
Any ideas on how to stop this? 
Cheers
Marcus
Marcus Harris
P.O. Box 7135
Shenton Park
Western Australia 6008
Australia
Cryptodome Pty Ltd
cryptodo...@me.com
Mob: +61 (0) 417965618


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Re: MacBook will not start after latest MacOS upgrade ?

[Stephen Chape]

Ta Ronni.
I have passed this on to the young woman with the issue.

> On 27 Jul 2018, at 6:13 am, Ronda Brown  wrote:
> 
> Hi Stephen,
> 
> NEVER & I repeat NEVER attempt a macOS Upgrade or Update installation without 
> being connected to power! 
> The same applies when doing a iOS update install.
> 
>  Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB 
> 
> 
> On 26 Jul 2018, at 10:26 pm, Stephen Chape  <mailto:chap...@bigpond.com>> wrote:
> 
>> Thank you Ronni.
>> I found a solution online which seems to have worked.
>> She has taken her MacBook Air home now and has started it and is now 
>> charging it.
>> 
>> Problem was it would not even start.
>> She did not bring her Mag Power Cable with her.
>> So I printed instructions for her and sent her home to carry them out.
>> 
>> I have a suspicion that it was simply out of power !
>> 
>> 
>>> On 26 Jul 2018, at 10:09 pm, Ronni Brown >> <mailto:ro...@mac.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Stephen,
>>> 
>>> Without knowing what preparation was preformed and a backup done prior to 
>>> attempting the upgrade.
>>> The only thing I can suggest is to perhaps try this:
>>> 
>>> 1. Turn on your Mac, then immediately hold down Option- Command-R to boot 
>>> into macOS Recovery 
>>> <https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201314?utm_campaign=website_source=sendgrid%20email_medium=email>,
>>>  and reinstall the operating system. 
>>> By using Option-Command-R  will Upgrade to the latest macOS that is 
>>> compatible with your Mac.**
>>> 
>>> 2. Release the keys when you see the Apple Logo or a spinning globe
>>> 
>>> 3. When you see the macOS utilities window, continue to the next section to 
>>> determine whether to erase your startup disk or begin installing macOS.
>>> 
>>> 4. Choose Reinstall macOS from the utilities window.
>>> 
>>> 5. Click Continue, then follow the onscreen instructions. You'll be asked 
>>> to select your disk. If you don't see it, click Show All Disks.
>>> 
>>> 6. Click Install. 
>>> Your Mac restarts after installation is complete. 
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Ronni
>>> 
>>> 13-inch MacBook Air (April 2014)
>>> 1.7GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost to 3.3GHz
>>> 8GB 1600MHz LPDDR3 SDRAM
>>> 512GB PCIe-based Flash Storage
>>> 
>>> macOS High Sierra 10.13.6
>>> 
>>>> On 26 Jul 2018, at 5:06 pm, Stephen Chape >>> <mailto:chap...@bigpond.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi folks.
>>>> 
>>>> A friend of mine has a 2016 MacBook.
>>>> She has today upgraded to the latest MacOS.
>>>> Unfortunately I do not know which OS was previously on it.
>>>> 
>>>> She tells me that when she starts up she gets a continuous black screen.
>>>> But she can hear activity happening.
>>>> I advised her to start up in Safe Mode, but the result was the same.
>>>> 
>>>> She is coming to visit me at 6:30 tonight.
>>>> Has anyone any ideas how we might resolve this please ?
>>>> 
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Stephen Chape
>>>> 
>>>> 
>> >
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Re: MacBook will not start after latest MacOS upgrade ?

[Ronda Brown]

Hi Stephen,

NEVER & I repeat NEVER attempt a macOS Upgrade or Update installation without 
being connected to power! 
The same applies when doing a iOS update install.

 Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB 


> On 26 Jul 2018, at 10:26 pm, Stephen Chape  wrote:
> 
> Thank you Ronni.
> I found a solution online which seems to have worked.
> She has taken her MacBook Air home now and has started it and is now charging 
> it.
> 
> Problem was it would not even start.
> She did not bring her Mag Power Cable with her.
> So I printed instructions for her and sent her home to carry them out.
> 
> I have a suspicion that it was simply out of power !
> 
> 
>> On 26 Jul 2018, at 10:09 pm, Ronni Brown  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Stephen,
>> 
>> Without knowing what preparation was preformed and a backup done prior to 
>> attempting the upgrade.
>> The only thing I can suggest is to perhaps try this:
>> 
>> 1. Turn on your Mac, then immediately hold down Option- Command-R to boot 
>> into macOS Recovery, and reinstall the operating system. 
>> By using Option-Command-R  will Upgrade to the latest macOS that is 
>> compatible with your Mac.**
>> 
>> 2. Release the keys when you see the Apple Logo or a spinning globe
>> 
>> 3. When you see the macOS utilities window, continue to the next section to 
>> determine whether to erase your startup disk or begin installing macOS.
>> 
>> 4. Choose Reinstall macOS from the utilities window.
>> 
>> 5. Click Continue, then follow the onscreen instructions. You'll be asked to 
>> select your disk. If you don't see it, click Show All Disks.
>> 
>> 6. Click Install. 
>> Your Mac restarts after installation is complete. 
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Ronni
>> 
>> 13-inch MacBook Air (April 2014)
>> 1.7GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost to 3.3GHz
>> 8GB 1600MHz LPDDR3 SDRAM
>> 512GB PCIe-based Flash Storage
>> 
>> macOS High Sierra 10.13.6
>> 
>>> On 26 Jul 2018, at 5:06 pm, Stephen Chape  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi folks.
>>> 
>>> A friend of mine has a 2016 MacBook.
>>> She has today upgraded to the latest MacOS.
>>> Unfortunately I do not know which OS was previously on it.
>>> 
>>> She tells me that when she starts up she gets a continuous black screen.
>>> But she can hear activity happening.
>>> I advised her to start up in Safe Mode, but the result was the same.
>>> 
>>> She is coming to visit me at 6:30 tonight.
>>> Has anyone any ideas how we might resolve this please ?
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Stephen Chape
>>> 
>>> 
> >
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Re: MacBook will not start after latest MacOS upgrade ?

[Stephen Chape]

But I shall keep your instructions in case she returns.
Thanks again Ronni.

> On 26 Jul 2018, at 10:09 pm, Ronni Brown  wrote:
> 
> Hi Stephen,
> 
> Without knowing what preparation was preformed and a backup done prior to 
> attempting the upgrade.
> The only thing I can suggest is to perhaps try this:
> 
> 1. Turn on your Mac, then immediately hold down Option- Command-R to boot 
> into macOS Recovery 
> <https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201314?utm_campaign=website_source=sendgrid%20email_medium=email>,
>  and reinstall the operating system. 
> By using Option-Command-R  will Upgrade to the latest macOS that is 
> compatible with your Mac.**
> 
> 2. Release the keys when you see the Apple Logo or a spinning globe
> 
> 3. When you see the macOS utilities window, continue to the next section to 
> determine whether to erase your startup disk or begin installing macOS.
> 
> 4. Choose Reinstall macOS from the utilities window.
> 
> 5. Click Continue, then follow the onscreen instructions. You'll be asked to 
> select your disk. If you don't see it, click Show All Disks.
> 
> 6. Click Install. 
> Your Mac restarts after installation is complete. 
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> 
> 13-inch MacBook Air (April 2014)
> 1.7GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost to 3.3GHz
> 8GB 1600MHz LPDDR3 SDRAM
> 512GB PCIe-based Flash Storage
> 
> macOS High Sierra 10.13.6
> 
>> On 26 Jul 2018, at 5:06 pm, Stephen Chape > <mailto:chap...@bigpond.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi folks.
>> 
>> A friend of mine has a 2016 MacBook.
>> She has today upgraded to the latest MacOS.
>> Unfortunately I do not know which OS was previously on it.
>> 
>> She tells me that when she starts up she gets a continuous black screen.
>> But she can hear activity happening.
>> I advised her to start up in Safe Mode, but the result was the same.
>> 
>> She is coming to visit me at 6:30 tonight.
>> Has anyone any ideas how we might resolve this please ?
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Stephen Chape
>> 
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Re: MacBook will not start after latest MacOS upgrade ?

[Stephen Chape]

Thank you Ronni.
I found a solution online which seems to have worked.
She has taken her MacBook Air home now and has started it and is now charging 
it.

Problem was it would not even start.
She did not bring her Mag Power Cable with her.
So I printed instructions for her and sent her home to carry them out.

I have a suspicion that it was simply out of power !


> On 26 Jul 2018, at 10:09 pm, Ronni Brown  wrote:
> 
> Hi Stephen,
> 
> Without knowing what preparation was preformed and a backup done prior to 
> attempting the upgrade.
> The only thing I can suggest is to perhaps try this:
> 
> 1. Turn on your Mac, then immediately hold down Option- Command-R to boot 
> into macOS Recovery 
> <https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201314?utm_campaign=website_source=sendgrid%20email_medium=email>,
>  and reinstall the operating system. 
> By using Option-Command-R  will Upgrade to the latest macOS that is 
> compatible with your Mac.**
> 
> 2. Release the keys when you see the Apple Logo or a spinning globe
> 
> 3. When you see the macOS utilities window, continue to the next section to 
> determine whether to erase your startup disk or begin installing macOS.
> 
> 4. Choose Reinstall macOS from the utilities window.
> 
> 5. Click Continue, then follow the onscreen instructions. You'll be asked to 
> select your disk. If you don't see it, click Show All Disks.
> 
> 6. Click Install. 
> Your Mac restarts after installation is complete. 
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> 
> 13-inch MacBook Air (April 2014)
> 1.7GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost to 3.3GHz
> 8GB 1600MHz LPDDR3 SDRAM
> 512GB PCIe-based Flash Storage
> 
> macOS High Sierra 10.13.6
> 
>> On 26 Jul 2018, at 5:06 pm, Stephen Chape > <mailto:chap...@bigpond.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi folks.
>> 
>> A friend of mine has a 2016 MacBook.
>> She has today upgraded to the latest MacOS.
>> Unfortunately I do not know which OS was previously on it.
>> 
>> She tells me that when she starts up she gets a continuous black screen.
>> But she can hear activity happening.
>> I advised her to start up in Safe Mode, but the result was the same.
>> 
>> She is coming to visit me at 6:30 tonight.
>> Has anyone any ideas how we might resolve this please ?
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Stephen Chape
>> 
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Re: MacBook will not start after latest MacOS upgrade ?

[Ronni Brown]

Hi Stephen,

Without knowing what preparation was preformed and a backup done prior to 
attempting the upgrade.
The only thing I can suggest is to perhaps try this:

1. Turn on your Mac, then immediately hold down Option- Command-R to boot into 
macOS Recovery 
<https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201314?utm_campaign=website_source=sendgrid%20email_medium=email>,
 and reinstall the operating system. 
By using Option-Command-R  will Upgrade to the latest macOS that is compatible 
with your Mac.**

2. Release the keys when you see the Apple Logo or a spinning globe

3. When you see the macOS utilities window, continue to the next section to 
determine whether to erase your startup disk or begin installing macOS.

4. Choose Reinstall macOS from the utilities window.

5. Click Continue, then follow the onscreen instructions. You'll be asked to 
select your disk. If you don't see it, click Show All Disks.

6. Click Install. 
Your Mac restarts after installation is complete. 

Cheers,
Ronni

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1.7GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost to 3.3GHz
8GB 1600MHz LPDDR3 SDRAM
512GB PCIe-based Flash Storage

macOS High Sierra 10.13.6

> On 26 Jul 2018, at 5:06 pm, Stephen Chape  wrote:
> 
> Hi folks.
> 
> A friend of mine has a 2016 MacBook.
> She has today upgraded to the latest MacOS.
> Unfortunately I do not know which OS was previously on it.
> 
> She tells me that when she starts up she gets a continuous black screen.
> But she can hear activity happening.
> I advised her to start up in Safe Mode, but the result was the same.
> 
> She is coming to visit me at 6:30 tonight.
> Has anyone any ideas how we might resolve this please ?
> 
> Regards,
> Stephen Chape
> 
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MacBook will not start after latest MacOS upgrade ?

[Stephen Chape]

Hi folks.

A friend of mine has a 2016 MacBook.
She has today upgraded to the latest MacOS.
Unfortunately I do not know which OS was previously on it.

She tells me that when she starts up she gets a continuous black screen.
But she can hear activity happening.
I advised her to start up in Safe Mode, but the result was the same.

She is coming to visit me at 6:30 tonight.
Has anyone any ideas how we might resolve this please ?

Regards,
Stephen Chape






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Possible to Upgrade macOS via App Store Purchased list?

[Alan Smith]

A serious question about a hypothetical situation - -

Is it possible for me to use the App Store Purchased history list to download 
(and then install) El Capitan (10.11) on another iMac that has Mavericks (10.9) 
installed? 

The background info:

The App Store Purchased tab lists all apps associated with a particular Apple 
ID.  Compatible apps installed on one iMac display the option to INSTALL on 
another iMac. The purchased history of macOS (OS X) releases up to El Capitan 
display the option to DOWNLOAD.

I’m having trouble downloading and installing High Sierra to my late 2009 iMac 
with Mavericks.  The Purchased history displays OS X releases from Mountain 
Lion to El Capitan which were installed on my late 2012 iMac.  This raises the 
possibility they could be used for the older iMac.

Some extra info that may be relevant in deciding to upgrade: In 2015 I had 
problems with the installation and later version update of Yosemite (10.10).  
MacWizardry found Yosemite was unstable and reverted to Mavericks.  (It’s been 
very reliable since, Daniel.). This might indicate an unresolved obscure 
internal problem that is also causing issues with installing High Sierra.  I 
never tried to install El Capitan on this computer.

Cheers
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Re: Prepare to upgrade to macOS High Sierra 10.13

[Marcus Harris]

Hi Ronni, My iMac is 10.1 running Sierra. May I have a copy of your update 
instructions too please. 
Cheers

Marcus
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> On 9 Oct 2017, at 6:58 pm, Ronni Brown <ro...@mac.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Blitto, Peter, and Peter,
> 
> I’ve posted to you ‘Offlist’, the better Prepare To Upgrade to High Sierra 
> 10.13 PDF version.
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> 
>> On 9 Oct 2017, at 3:30 pm, Ronda Brown <ro...@mac.com 
>> <mailto:ro...@mac.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> I’ve done the document ‘Prepare to Upgrade to macOS High Sierra 10.13’ in 
>> Pages App and export it as a PDF for clients & family.
>> If any member would like a copy I’ will send it to you ‘OffList’.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Ronni
>>  Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB 
>> 
>> 
>> On 9 Oct 2017, at 12:21 pm, Ronni Brown <ro...@mac.com 
>> <mailto:ro...@mac.com>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I have posted information earlier to the list about High Sierra.
>>> There have been people who have upgraded to High Sierra without first 
>>> preparing to upgrade.
>>> So please don’t make the mistake of upgrading without first preparing for 
>>> macOS High Sierra 10.13.
>>> 
>>> Prepare to upgrade to macOS High Sierra 10.13
>>> 
>>> Make sure your computer can run High Sierra 
>>> iMac models from late 2009 or later
>>> MacBook models from late 2009 or later
>>> MacBook Pro models from mid 2010 or later
>>> MacBook Air models from late 2010 or later
>>> Mac mini models from mid 2010 or later
>>> Mac Pro models from mid 2010 or later
>>> 
>>> Here are the Mac’s Model Identifier:
>>> iMac10,1 or newer
>>> MacBook6,1 or newer
>>> MacBookAir3,1 or newer
>>> MacBookPro6,1 or newer
>>> Macmini4,1 or newer
>>> MacPro5,1 or newer
>>> 
>>> If your Mac isn’t on that list (or has an older model number), then 
>>> regardless of its age or speed, it won’t run High Sierra.
>>> 
>>> RAM
>>> High Sierra requires a minimum of 2GB of RAM, but more RAM 4GB - or more is 
>>> better for your Mac’s performance.
>>> 
>>> Firmware Updates
>>> Some Macs may require updated EFI or SMC firmware to run High Sierra. To 
>>> see if a firmware update is available, check this webpage 
>>> <https://support.apple.com/en-au/HT201518>. Unless you previously hid them 
>>> from the list, firmware updates should also appear when you choose Apple  
>>> > App Store and click Updates (in Yosemite and later).
>>> 
>>> Free Disk Space
>>> Apple says that the High Sierra installer requires 14.3 GB of free storage 
>>> space to perform the upgrade (and that after the installation is finished, 
>>> High Sierra will occupy about 1.5 GB more than Sierra did). Although you 
>>> may be able to get away with exactly 14.3 GB free, you’ll do much better 
>>> starting at least 20+GB of Free Space (before downloading the installer). 
>>> Even more free space is better of course. Some High Sierra features will 
>>> require increasing amounts of disk space as you use them. 
>>> You need to have ‘room to grow’.
>>> 
>>> OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion or Later
>>> In order to install High Sierra, your Mac must be running 10.8 Mountain 
>>> Lion or later.
>>> 
>>>  Update Your Third-party Software before installing High Sierra
>>> RoaringApps maintains a wiki listing hundreds of Mac and iOS apps and the 
>>> current status of their compatibility with various operating system 
>>> versions, as reported by users.
>>> If you are using Microsoft Office you can check Microsoft’s support article 
>>> for compatibility
>>> Microsoft Office support for macOS 10.13 High Sierra 
>>> <https://support.office.com/en-us/article/Microsoft-Office-support-for-macOS-10-13-High-Sierra-80bbd3cc-2412-4593-988a-1c5607b26b28>
>>> 
>>> Check your current Printer is compatible with High Sierra
>>> Update the Printer Drivers and Software to High Sierra compatible
>>> 
>>> BACKUP BACKUP BACKUP!
>>>  ‘Time Machine backup’ and a ‘Bootable Duplicate Backup’!
>>> 
>>> Test your Duplicate - you should test the duplicate to make sure it truly 
>>> is bootable before taking the plunge and upgrading to High Sierra.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 

Re: Prepare to upgrade to macOS High Sierra 10.13

[Graham Rabe]

Hi Ronni,

I’d appreciate a copy of the document you prepared for upgrading to High Sierra.

Thanks.

Graham 


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> On 9 Oct 2017, at 3:30 pm, Ronda Brown <ro...@mac.com> wrote:
> 
> I’ve done the document ‘Prepare to Upgrade to macOS High Sierra 10.13’ in 
> Pages App and export it as a PDF for clients & family.
> If any member would like a copy I’ will send it to you ‘OffList’.
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
>  Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB 
> 
> 
> On 9 Oct 2017, at 12:21 pm, Ronni Brown <ro...@mac.com 
> <mailto:ro...@mac.com>> wrote:
> 
>> I have posted information earlier to the list about High Sierra.
>> There have been people who have upgraded to High Sierra without first 
>> preparing to upgrade.
>> So please don’t make the mistake of upgrading without first preparing for 
>> macOS High Sierra 10.13.
>> 
>> Prepare to upgrade to macOS High Sierra 10.13
>> 
>> Make sure your computer can run High Sierra 
>> iMac models from late 2009 or later
>> MacBook models from late 2009 or later
>> MacBook Pro models from mid 2010 or later
>> MacBook Air models from late 2010 or later
>> Mac mini models from mid 2010 or later
>> Mac Pro models from mid 2010 or later
>> 
>> Here are the Mac’s Model Identifier:
>> iMac10,1 or newer
>> MacBook6,1 or newer
>> MacBookAir3,1 or newer
>> MacBookPro6,1 or newer
>> Macmini4,1 or newer
>> MacPro5,1 or newer
>> 
>> If your Mac isn’t on that list (or has an older model number), then 
>> regardless of its age or speed, it won’t run High Sierra.
>> 
>> RAM
>> High Sierra requires a minimum of 2GB of RAM, but more RAM 4GB - or more is 
>> better for your Mac’s performance.
>> 
>> Firmware Updates
>> Some Macs may require updated EFI or SMC firmware to run High Sierra. To see 
>> if a firmware update is available, check this webpage 
>> <https://support.apple.com/en-au/HT201518>. Unless you previously hid them 
>> from the list, firmware updates should also appear when you choose Apple  > 
>> App Store and click Updates (in Yosemite and later).
>> 
>> Free Disk Space
>> Apple says that the High Sierra installer requires 14.3 GB of free storage 
>> space to perform the upgrade (and that after the installation is finished, 
>> High Sierra will occupy about 1.5 GB more than Sierra did). Although you may 
>> be able to get away with exactly 14.3 GB free, you’ll do much better 
>> starting at least 20+GB of Free Space (before downloading the installer). 
>> Even more free space is better of course. Some High Sierra features will 
>> require increasing amounts of disk space as you use them. 
>> You need to have ‘room to grow’.
>> 
>> OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion or Later
>> In order to install High Sierra, your Mac must be running 10.8 Mountain Lion 
>> or later.
>> 
>>  Update Your Third-party Software before installing High Sierra
>> RoaringApps maintains a wiki listing hundreds of Mac and iOS apps and the 
>> current status of their compatibility with various operating system 
>> versions, as reported by users.
>> If you are using Microsoft Office you can check Microsoft’s support article 
>> for compatibility
>> Microsoft Office support for macOS 10.13 High Sierra 
>> <https://support.office.com/en-us/article/Microsoft-Office-support-for-macOS-10-13-High-Sierra-80bbd3cc-2412-4593-988a-1c5607b26b28>
>> 
>> Check your current Printer is compatible with High Sierra
>> Update the Printer Drivers and Software to High Sierra compatible
>> 
>> BACKUP BACKUP BACKUP!
>>  ‘Time Machine backup’ and a ‘Bootable Duplicate Backup’!
>> 
>> Test your Duplicate - you should test the duplicate to make sure it truly is 
>> bootable before taking the plunge and upgrading to High Sierra.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Ronni
>> 
>> 13-inch MacBook Air (April 2014)
>> 1.7GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost to 3.3GHz
>> 8GB 1600MHz LPDDR3 SDRAM
>> 512GB PCIe-based Flash Storage
>> 
>> macOS High Sierra 10.13
>> 
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Re: Prepare to upgrade to macOS High Sierra 10.13

[Ronni Brown]

Hi Blitto, Peter, and Peter,

I’ve posted to you ‘Offlist’, the better Prepare To Upgrade to High Sierra 
10.13 PDF version.

Cheers,
Ronni

> On 9 Oct 2017, at 3:30 pm, Ronda Brown <ro...@mac.com> wrote:
> 
> I’ve done the document ‘Prepare to Upgrade to macOS High Sierra 10.13’ in 
> Pages App and export it as a PDF for clients & family.
> If any member would like a copy I’ will send it to you ‘OffList’.
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
>  Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB 
> 
> 
> On 9 Oct 2017, at 12:21 pm, Ronni Brown <ro...@mac.com 
> <mailto:ro...@mac.com>> wrote:
> 
>> I have posted information earlier to the list about High Sierra.
>> There have been people who have upgraded to High Sierra without first 
>> preparing to upgrade.
>> So please don’t make the mistake of upgrading without first preparing for 
>> macOS High Sierra 10.13.
>> 
>> Prepare to upgrade to macOS High Sierra 10.13
>> 
>> Make sure your computer can run High Sierra 
>> iMac models from late 2009 or later
>> MacBook models from late 2009 or later
>> MacBook Pro models from mid 2010 or later
>> MacBook Air models from late 2010 or later
>> Mac mini models from mid 2010 or later
>> Mac Pro models from mid 2010 or later
>> 
>> Here are the Mac’s Model Identifier:
>> iMac10,1 or newer
>> MacBook6,1 or newer
>> MacBookAir3,1 or newer
>> MacBookPro6,1 or newer
>> Macmini4,1 or newer
>> MacPro5,1 or newer
>> 
>> If your Mac isn’t on that list (or has an older model number), then 
>> regardless of its age or speed, it won’t run High Sierra.
>> 
>> RAM
>> High Sierra requires a minimum of 2GB of RAM, but more RAM 4GB - or more is 
>> better for your Mac’s performance.
>> 
>> Firmware Updates
>> Some Macs may require updated EFI or SMC firmware to run High Sierra. To see 
>> if a firmware update is available, check this webpage 
>> <https://support.apple.com/en-au/HT201518>. Unless you previously hid them 
>> from the list, firmware updates should also appear when you choose Apple  > 
>> App Store and click Updates (in Yosemite and later).
>> 
>> Free Disk Space
>> Apple says that the High Sierra installer requires 14.3 GB of free storage 
>> space to perform the upgrade (and that after the installation is finished, 
>> High Sierra will occupy about 1.5 GB more than Sierra did). Although you may 
>> be able to get away with exactly 14.3 GB free, you’ll do much better 
>> starting at least 20+GB of Free Space (before downloading the installer). 
>> Even more free space is better of course. Some High Sierra features will 
>> require increasing amounts of disk space as you use them. 
>> You need to have ‘room to grow’.
>> 
>> OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion or Later
>> In order to install High Sierra, your Mac must be running 10.8 Mountain Lion 
>> or later.
>> 
>>  Update Your Third-party Software before installing High Sierra
>> RoaringApps maintains a wiki listing hundreds of Mac and iOS apps and the 
>> current status of their compatibility with various operating system 
>> versions, as reported by users.
>> If you are using Microsoft Office you can check Microsoft’s support article 
>> for compatibility
>> Microsoft Office support for macOS 10.13 High Sierra 
>> <https://support.office.com/en-us/article/Microsoft-Office-support-for-macOS-10-13-High-Sierra-80bbd3cc-2412-4593-988a-1c5607b26b28>
>> 
>> Check your current Printer is compatible with High Sierra
>> Update the Printer Drivers and Software to High Sierra compatible
>> 
>> BACKUP BACKUP BACKUP!
>>  ‘Time Machine backup’ and a ‘Bootable Duplicate Backup’!
>> 
>> Test your Duplicate - you should test the duplicate to make sure it truly is 
>> bootable before taking the plunge and upgrading to High Sierra.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Ronni
>> 
>> 13-inch MacBook Air (April 2014)
>> 1.7GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost to 3.3GHz
>> 8GB 1600MHz LPDDR3 SDRAM
>> 512GB PCIe-based Flash Storage
>> 
>> macOS High Sierra 10.13
>> 
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Re: Prepare to upgrade to macOS High Sierra 10.13

[Peter Curtis]

I would appreciate it thanks Ronni
Kind regards
Peter

> On 9 Oct 2017, at 3:30 pm, Ronda Brown <ro...@mac.com> wrote:
> 
> I’ve done the document ‘Prepare to Upgrade to macOS High Sierra 10.13’ in 
> Pages App and export it as a PDF for clients & family.
> If any member would like a copy I’ will send it to you ‘OffList’.
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
>  Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB 
> 
> 
> On 9 Oct 2017, at 12:21 pm, Ronni Brown <ro...@mac.com> wrote:
> 
>> I have posted information earlier to the list about High Sierra.
>> There have been people who have upgraded to High Sierra without first 
>> preparing to upgrade.
>> So please don’t make the mistake of upgrading without first preparing for 
>> macOS High Sierra 10.13.
>> 
>> Prepare to upgrade to macOS High Sierra 10.13
>> 
>> Make sure your computer can run High Sierra 
>> iMac models from late 2009 or later
>> MacBook models from late 2009 or later
>> MacBook Pro models from mid 2010 or later
>> MacBook Air models from late 2010 or later
>> Mac mini models from mid 2010 or later
>> Mac Pro models from mid 2010 or later
>> 
>> Here are the Mac’s Model Identifier:
>> iMac10,1 or newer
>> MacBook6,1 or newer
>> MacBookAir3,1 or newer
>> MacBookPro6,1 or newer
>> Macmini4,1 or newer
>> MacPro5,1 or newer
>> 
>> If your Mac isn’t on that list (or has an older model number), then 
>> regardless of its age or speed, it won’t run High Sierra.
>> 
>> RAM
>> High Sierra requires a minimum of 2GB of RAM, but more RAM 4GB - or more is 
>> better for your Mac’s performance.
>> 
>> Firmware Updates
>> Some Macs may require updated EFI or SMC firmware to run High Sierra. To see 
>> if a firmware update is available, check this webpage. Unless you previously 
>> hid them from the list, firmware updates should also appear when you choose 
>> Apple  > App Store and click Updates (in Yosemite and later).
>> 
>> Free Disk Space
>> Apple says that the High Sierra installer requires 14.3 GB of free storage 
>> space to perform the upgrade (and that after the installation is finished, 
>> High Sierra will occupy about 1.5 GB more than Sierra did). Although you may 
>> be able to get away with exactly 14.3 GB free, you’ll do much better 
>> starting at least 20+GB of Free Space (before downloading the installer). 
>> Even more free space is better of course. Some High Sierra features will 
>> require increasing amounts of disk space as you use them. 
>> You need to have ‘room to grow’.
>> 
>> OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion or Later
>> In order to install High Sierra, your Mac must be running 10.8 Mountain Lion 
>> or later.
>> 
>>  Update Your Third-party Software before installing High Sierra
>> RoaringApps maintains a wiki listing hundreds of Mac and iOS apps and the 
>> current status of their compatibility with various operating system 
>> versions, as reported by users.
>> If you are using Microsoft Office you can check Microsoft’s support article 
>> for compatibility
>> Microsoft Office support for macOS 10.13 High Sierra
>> 
>> Check your current Printer is compatible with High Sierra
>> Update the Printer Drivers and Software to High Sierra compatible
>> 
>> BACKUP BACKUP BACKUP!
>>  ‘Time Machine backup’ and a ‘Bootable Duplicate Backup’!
>> 
>> Test your Duplicate - you should test the duplicate to make sure it truly is 
>> bootable before taking the plunge and upgrading to High Sierra.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Ronni
>> 
>> 13-inch MacBook Air (April 2014)
>> 1.7GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost to 3.3GHz
>> 8GB 1600MHz LPDDR3 SDRAM
>> 512GB PCIe-based Flash Storage
>> 
>> macOS High Sierra 10.13
>> 
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Re: Prepare to upgrade to macOS High Sierra 10.13

[rblit]

Thanks Ronni!Blitto 

- Original Message -
From: wamug@wamug.org.au
To:"WAMUG" 
Cc:
Sent:Mon, 09 Oct 2017 12:21:26 +0800
Subject:Prepare to upgrade to macOS High Sierra 10.13

I have posted information earlier to the list about High Sierra.There
have been people who have upgraded to High Sierra without first
preparing to upgrade.So please don’t make the mistake of upgrading
without first preparing for macOS High Sierra 10.13.
PREPARE TO UPGRADE TO MACOS HIGH SIERRA 10.13
MAKE SURE YOUR COMPUTER CAN RUN HIGH SIERRA _IMAC__ _models from late
2009 or later_MACBOOK__ _models from late 2009 or later_MACBOOK PRO
_models from mid 2010 or later_MACBOOK AIR_ models from late 2010 or
later_MAC MINI _models from mid 2010 or later_MAC PRO_ models from mid
2010 or later
HERE ARE THE MAC’S MODEL IDENTIFIER:IMAC10,1 or newerMACBOOK6,1 or
newerMACBOOKAIR3,1 or newerMACBOOKPRO6,1 or newerMACMINI4,1 or
newerMACPRO5,1 or newer
If your Mac isn’t on that list (or has an older model number), then
regardless of its age or speed, it won’t run High Sierra.
RAMHigh Sierra requires a minimum of 2GB of RAM, but more RAM 4GB - or
more is better for your Mac’s performance.
FIRMWARE UPDATESSome Macs may require updated EFI or SMC firmware to
run High Sierra. To see if a firmware update is available, check this
webpage [1]. Unless you previously hid them from the list, firmware
updates should also appear when you choose Apple  > App Store and
click Updates (in Yosemite and later).
FREE DISK SPACEApple says that the High Sierra installer requires 14.3
GB of free storage space to perform the upgrade (and that after the
installation is finished, High Sierra will occupy about 1.5 GB more
than Sierra did). Although you may be able to get away with exactly
14.3 GB free, you’ll do much better starting _at least 20+GB of Free
Space (_before downloading the installer). Even more free space is
better of course. Some High Sierra features will require increasing
amounts of disk space as you use them. You need to have ‘room to
grow’.
OS X 10.8 MOUNTAIN LION OR LATERIn order to install High Sierra, your
Mac must be running 10.8 Mountain Lion or later.
 UPDATE YOUR THIRD-PARTY SOFTWARE BEFORE INSTALLING HIGH
SIERRARoaringApps maintains a wiki listing hundreds of Mac and iOS
apps and the current status of their compatibility with various
operating system versions, as reported by users.If you are using
Microsoft Office you can check Microsoft’s support article for
compatibilityMicrosoft Office support for macOS 10.13 High Sierra [2]
CHECK YOUR CURRENT PRINTER IS COMPATIBLE WITH HIGH SIERRAUpdate the
Printer Drivers and Software to High Sierra compatible
BACKUP BACKUP BACKUP!_ ‘TIME MACHINE BACKUP’__ _and a_
‘BOOTABLE DUPLICATE BACKUP’!___
TEST YOUR DUPLICATE - you should test the duplicate to make sure it
truly is bootable before taking the plunge and upgrading to High
Sierra.
 Cheers,Ronni
13-INCH MACBOOK AIR (APRIL 2014)
1.7GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost to 3.3GHz8GB 1600MHz
LPDDR3 SDRAM
512GB PCIe-based Flash Storage
macOS High Sierra 10.13  


Links:
--
[1] https://support.apple.com/en-au/HT201518
[2]
https://support.office.com/en-us/article/Microsoft-Office-support-for-macOS-10-13-High-Sierra-80bbd3cc-2412-4593-988a-1c5607b26b28

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Re: Prepare to upgrade to macOS High Sierra 10.13

[Ronda Brown]

I’ve done the document ‘Prepare to Upgrade to macOS High Sierra 10.13’ in Pages 
App and export it as a PDF for clients & family.
If any member would like a copy I’ will send it to you ‘OffList’.

Cheers,
Ronni
 Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB 


> On 9 Oct 2017, at 12:21 pm, Ronni Brown <ro...@mac.com> wrote:
> 
> I have posted information earlier to the list about High Sierra.
> There have been people who have upgraded to High Sierra without first 
> preparing to upgrade.
> So please don’t make the mistake of upgrading without first preparing for 
> macOS High Sierra 10.13.
> 
> Prepare to upgrade to macOS High Sierra 10.13
> 
> Make sure your computer can run High Sierra 
> iMac models from late 2009 or later
> MacBook models from late 2009 or later
> MacBook Pro models from mid 2010 or later
> MacBook Air models from late 2010 or later
> Mac mini models from mid 2010 or later
> Mac Pro models from mid 2010 or later
> 
> Here are the Mac’s Model Identifier:
> iMac10,1 or newer
> MacBook6,1 or newer
> MacBookAir3,1 or newer
> MacBookPro6,1 or newer
> Macmini4,1 or newer
> MacPro5,1 or newer
> 
> If your Mac isn’t on that list (or has an older model number), then 
> regardless of its age or speed, it won’t run High Sierra.
> 
> RAM
> High Sierra requires a minimum of 2GB of RAM, but more RAM 4GB - or more is 
> better for your Mac’s performance.
> 
> Firmware Updates
> Some Macs may require updated EFI or SMC firmware to run High Sierra. To see 
> if a firmware update is available, check this webpage. Unless you previously 
> hid them from the list, firmware updates should also appear when you choose 
> Apple  > App Store and click Updates (in Yosemite and later).
> 
> Free Disk Space
> Apple says that the High Sierra installer requires 14.3 GB of free storage 
> space to perform the upgrade (and that after the installation is finished, 
> High Sierra will occupy about 1.5 GB more than Sierra did). Although you may 
> be able to get away with exactly 14.3 GB free, you’ll do much better starting 
> at least 20+GB of Free Space (before downloading the installer). Even more 
> free space is better of course. Some High Sierra features will require 
> increasing amounts of disk space as you use them. 
> You need to have ‘room to grow’.
> 
> OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion or Later
> In order to install High Sierra, your Mac must be running 10.8 Mountain Lion 
> or later.
> 
>  Update Your Third-party Software before installing High Sierra
> RoaringApps maintains a wiki listing hundreds of Mac and iOS apps and the 
> current status of their compatibility with various operating system versions, 
> as reported by users.
> If you are using Microsoft Office you can check Microsoft’s support article 
> for compatibility
> Microsoft Office support for macOS 10.13 High Sierra
> 
> Check your current Printer is compatible with High Sierra
> Update the Printer Drivers and Software to High Sierra compatible
> 
> BACKUP BACKUP BACKUP!
>  ‘Time Machine backup’ and a ‘Bootable Duplicate Backup’!
> 
> Test your Duplicate - you should test the duplicate to make sure it truly is 
> bootable before taking the plunge and upgrading to High Sierra.
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> 
> 13-inch MacBook Air (April 2014)
> 1.7GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost to 3.3GHz
> 8GB 1600MHz LPDDR3 SDRAM
> 512GB PCIe-based Flash Storage
> 
> macOS High Sierra 10.13
> 
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Prepare to upgrade to macOS High Sierra 10.13

[Ronni Brown]

I have posted information earlier to the list about High Sierra.
There have been people who have upgraded to High Sierra without first preparing 
to upgrade.
So please don’t make the mistake of upgrading without first preparing for macOS 
High Sierra 10.13.

Prepare to upgrade to macOS High Sierra 10.13

Make sure your computer can run High Sierra 
iMac models from late 2009 or later
MacBook models from late 2009 or later
MacBook Pro models from mid 2010 or later
MacBook Air models from late 2010 or later
Mac mini models from mid 2010 or later
Mac Pro models from mid 2010 or later

Here are the Mac’s Model Identifier:
iMac10,1 or newer
MacBook6,1 or newer
MacBookAir3,1 or newer
MacBookPro6,1 or newer
Macmini4,1 or newer
MacPro5,1 or newer

If your Mac isn’t on that list (or has an older model number), then regardless 
of its age or speed, it won’t run High Sierra.

RAM
High Sierra requires a minimum of 2GB of RAM, but more RAM 4GB - or more is 
better for your Mac’s performance.

Firmware Updates
Some Macs may require updated EFI or SMC firmware to run High Sierra. To see if 
a firmware update is available, check this webpage 
<https://support.apple.com/en-au/HT201518>. Unless you previously hid them from 
the list, firmware updates should also appear when you choose Apple  > App 
Store and click Updates (in Yosemite and later).

Free Disk Space
Apple says that the High Sierra installer requires 14.3 GB of free storage 
space to perform the upgrade (and that after the installation is finished, High 
Sierra will occupy about 1.5 GB more than Sierra did). Although you may be able 
to get away with exactly 14.3 GB free, you’ll do much better starting at least 
20+GB of Free Space (before downloading the installer). Even more free space is 
better of course. Some High Sierra features will require increasing amounts of 
disk space as you use them. 
You need to have ‘room to grow’.

OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion or Later
In order to install High Sierra, your Mac must be running 10.8 Mountain Lion or 
later.

 Update Your Third-party Software before installing High Sierra
RoaringApps maintains a wiki listing hundreds of Mac and iOS apps and the 
current status of their compatibility with various operating system versions, 
as reported by users.
If you are using Microsoft Office you can check Microsoft’s support article for 
compatibility
Microsoft Office support for macOS 10.13 High Sierra 
<https://support.office.com/en-us/article/Microsoft-Office-support-for-macOS-10-13-High-Sierra-80bbd3cc-2412-4593-988a-1c5607b26b28>

Check your current Printer is compatible with High Sierra
Update the Printer Drivers and Software to High Sierra compatible

BACKUP BACKUP BACKUP!
 ‘Time Machine backup’ and a ‘Bootable Duplicate Backup’!

Test your Duplicate - you should test the duplicate to make sure it truly is 
bootable before taking the plunge and upgrading to High Sierra.

Cheers,
Ronni

13-inch MacBook Air (April 2014)
1.7GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost to 3.3GHz
8GB 1600MHz LPDDR3 SDRAM
512GB PCIe-based Flash Storage

macOS High Sierra 10.13

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Apple Releases macOS 10.12.6, iOS 10.3.3, watchOS 3.2.3, and tvOS 10.2.2

[Ronni Brown]

Hello Members,

I always recommend and install using the Combo Update macosupdcombo10.12.6.dmg.
I installed the update yesterday and have not experienced any issues.
The update only took 10mins to install on my MacBook Air. I haven’t installed 
on my MacBook Pro as yet.

Take the normal precautionary steps and BACKUP!

/Begin Quote:
Apple Releases macOS 10.12.6, iOS 10.3.3, watchOS 3.2.3, and tvOS 10.2.2

macOS 10.12.6 -- macOS 10.12.6 Sierra 
<https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT207835> is available via Software Update, 
where it’s an 819 MB download. Alternatively, you can instead download a 1.98 
GB combo updater <https://support.apple.com/kb/DL1931> to update from any 
version of 10.12.

In addition to unspecified bug fixes, 10.12.6 includes the following 
enterprise-focused changes:
Resolves an issue that prevented making certain SMB connections from the Finder
Fixes an issue that caused Xsan clients to unexpectedly restart when moving a 
file within a relation point on a Quantum StorNext File System
Improves the stability of the Terminal app

macOS 10.12.6 includes 24 security fixes 
<https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT207922>.

iOS 10.3.3 -- You can install the iOS 10.3.3 update via Settings > General > 
Software Update or through iTunes. It too features 24 security fixes 
<https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT207923> and ranges in size from 80 MB to 140 
MB.

watchOS 3.2.3 -- watchOS 3.2.3 is a 26.1 MB update that you install via the 
Watch app on your iPhone (in Watch > Settings > General > Software Update). 
Remember that the Apple Watch must be on its charger, charged to at least 50 
percent, and within range of your iPhone, which itself must be on Wi-Fi. Don’t 
start installing if you’ll want to use the watch again within an hour or so — 
watchOS updates take surprisingly long to load. watchOS 3.2.3 includes 10 
security fixes <https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT207925>.

tvOS 10.2.2 -- Finally, Apple released tvOS 10.2.2, which includes 15 security 
fixes <https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT207924>. If your fourth-generation 
Apple TV isn’t set to update automatically, you can get tvOS 10.2.2 via 
Settings > System > Software Updates > Update Software.”
/End Quote:

Cheers,
Ronni

13-inch MacBook Air (April 2014)
1.7GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost to 3.3GHz
8GB 1600MHz LPDDR3 SDRAM
512GB PCIe-based Flash Storage

macOS Sierra 10.12.6

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Re: Tripping to macOS 10.13 High Sierra

[Neil Houghton]

The new iMac pro sounds pretty amazing ­ but I think the AUD price might be
astronomical  - especially the 18core version configured to  128GB RAM & 4TB
SSD!!!


Probably sad that I was most excited by the new wireless extended keyboard
;o)


Cheers



Neil
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on 6/6/17 10:52, Ronni Brown at ro...@mac.com wrote:

> Tripping to macOS 10.13 High Sierra
> Your Mac. Elevated.
> 
> "New technologies at the heart of the system make your Mac more reliable,
> capable, and responsive ‹ and lay the foundation for future innovations. macOS
> High Sierra also refines the features and apps you use every day.
> It¹s macOS at its highest level yet.
> 
> Coming this fall.²
> 
> "With macOS High Sierra, we¹re introducing the Apple File System to Mac, with
> an advanced architecture that brings a new level of security and
> responsiveness.²
> 
> Expected release date September/October 2017
> 
> Tidbits article here:
> <http://tidbits.com/article/17277>
> 
> Apple info here:
> <https://www.apple.com/macos/high-sierra-preview/>
> 
> Looks and reads as a very impressive performance upgrade!
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> 
> 13-inch MacBook Air (April 2014)
> 1.7GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost to 3.3GHz
> 8GB 1600MHz LPDDR3 SDRAM
> 512GB PCIe-based Flash Storage
> 
> macOS Sierra 10.12.5
> 
> 
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Tripping to macOS 10.13 High Sierra

[Ronni Brown]

Tripping to macOS 10.13 High Sierra
Your Mac. Elevated.

"New technologies at the heart of the system make your Mac more reliable, 
capable, and responsive — and lay the foundation for future innovations. macOS 
High Sierra also refines the features and apps you use every day. 
It’s macOS at its highest level yet.

Coming this fall.”

"With macOS High Sierra, we’re introducing the Apple File System to Mac, with 
an advanced architecture that brings a new level of security and 
responsiveness.”

Expected release date September/October 2017

Tidbits article here:
<http://tidbits.com/article/17277 <http://tidbits.com/article/17277>>

Apple info here:
<https://www.apple.com/macos/high-sierra-preview/ 
<https://www.apple.com/macos/high-sierra-preview/>>

Looks and reads as a very impressive performance upgrade!


Cheers,
Ronni

13-inch MacBook Air (April 2014)
1.7GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost to 3.3GHz
8GB 1600MHz LPDDR3 SDRAM
512GB PCIe-based Flash Storage

macOS Sierra 10.12.5

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Re: For those running El Capitan, ...auto update "may" take you to macOS Sierra

[Ronda Brown]

t;> 
>>> Daniel, 
>>> 
>>> If only I'd known this a couple of weeks ago. In an unguarded moment Sierra 
>>> went merrily ahead and shoved me onto iCloud (but not iCloud Drive). 
>>> Attempts to turn iCloud preferences off result in a stern threat/warning 
>>> that if I do that all contacts will be removed from my computer. It 
>>> irritates the hell out of me - they're my contacts, collected since 1993. 
>>> How dare Apple threaten to steal them.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Michael Hawkins
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On 4 Oct. 2016, at 8:04 pm, Daniel Kerr <dan...@macwizardry.com.au> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> For those on El Capitan, Apple have changed it slightly so it will auto 
>>>> download the Sierra update and have it ready to go.
>>>> You still have the option to not install it, and have to “approve” the 
>>>> install with password etc, so it still would give you the warning. But if 
>>>> you don’t want it downloaded just yet, you can turn this off.
>>>> 
>>>> More information on it here -
>>>> http://www.macrumors.com/2016/10/03/macos-sierra-automatic-downloads/
>>>> 
>>>> Also, if you do install it and want to bypass the “iCloud Drive” setup, 
>>>> the best option to do is to bypass signing into iCloud when you first 
>>>> install Sierra. When you’re going through the “setup windows” after it 
>>>> first installs and restarts you’ll get the “sign in to iCloud” screen. 
>>>> Click on “skip for now”.
>>>> Then after you’ve gone through everything else and get to the Finder, you 
>>>> can then go to System Preferences - iCloud.
>>>> From there you can then sign back into iCloud and then check on iCloud 
>>>> drive and click on what things you want (or don’t want).
>>>> I tend to always do this with setups and new set ups, as I can then 
>>>> control what changes I’m being asked to do. It’s more of a “safe” way to 
>>>> do it I find.
>>>> 
>>>> Hope something there helps.
>>>> 
>>>> Kind regards
>>>> Daniel
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone 6
>>>> 
>>>> ---
>>>> Daniel Kerr
>>>> MacWizardry
>>>> 
>>>> Phone: 0414 795 960
>>>> Email: 
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>>>> 
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Re: For those running El Capitan, ...auto update "may" take you to macOS Sierra

[Ronda Brown]

n, Apple have changed it slightly so it will auto 
>>> download the Sierra update and have it ready to go.
>>> You still have the option to not install it, and have to “approve” the 
>>> install with password etc, so it still would give you the warning. But if 
>>> you don’t want it downloaded just yet, you can turn this off.
>>> 
>>> More information on it here -
>>> http://www.macrumors.com/2016/10/03/macos-sierra-automatic-downloads/
>>> 
>>> Also, if you do install it and want to bypass the “iCloud Drive” setup, the 
>>> best option to do is to bypass signing into iCloud when you first install 
>>> Sierra. When you’re going through the “setup windows” after it first 
>>> installs and restarts you’ll get the “sign in to iCloud” screen. Click on 
>>> “skip for now”.
>>> Then after you’ve gone through everything else and get to the Finder, you 
>>> can then go to System Preferences - iCloud.
>>> From there you can then sign back into iCloud and then check on iCloud 
>>> drive and click on what things you want (or don’t want).
>>> I tend to always do this with setups and new set ups, as I can then control 
>>> what changes I’m being asked to do. It’s more of a “safe” way to do it I 
>>> find.
>>> 
>>> Hope something there helps.
>>> 
>>> Kind regards
>>> Daniel
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone 6
>>> 
>>> ---
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>>> MacWizardry
>>> 
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Re: For those running El Capitan, ...auto update "may" take you to macOS Sierra

[Daniel Kerr]

I’d actually be lost without iCloud for my contacts. Keeping my iPhone, iPad, 
iMac and laptop all in sync is great. And (call me a “fan boy”) but out of any 
company, I’d rather trust Apple with my contacts then anyone else. With the 
push for privacy and protection I generally feel safer with them holding them 
then other places. And given their servers are very rarely actually accessed my 
any “real” people bar a few techs and the structure in place just to even 
access these “data farms” (well from what I’ve read about them anyway), they 
are very limited with access.
Yes, I know anything online has a risk. But with 2-step verification on my 
AppleID and everything locked away behind a secure password, I tend to feel 
it’s pretty safe.
And given the amount of info Apple have stored, they do a pretty good job of 
protecting I think. it’s very rare to have anything of theirs hacked, and they 
do their best to always be on top of closing security vulnerabilities if 
anything is found. Plus at least Apple don’t really use their data to advertise 
or market to or “push” everything in our face (as does Google or Facebook if 
you have to search things and then have all the “ads” popup days later for 
things you’ve searched for).
Again, maybe I’m too much of a fan boy, and have faith in it all, but I find it 
works well for me. And I’d be lost without it. (just my personal opinion here).

As an aside….
If you don’t want to use iCloud, it’s quite easy to turn it all off.
You just save your Contacts from the File menu using “Export” - Contacts 
Archive.
Save this out to the Desktop.
Go to System Preferences - iCloud. Untick Contacts. It well tell you it’s going 
to remove them. Once they’re all gone. You can then import your Contacts 
Archive from the Desktop back into Contacts using File - Import.
These will then all be saved under “On My Mac” contacts.

You can repeat this on the iPhone 
In Settings go to iCloud. Turn off Contacts. It will ask if you want to delete 
or save them on the iPhone. Choose Keep.
You’ll then have them on the iPhone as “On my iPhone” contacts.

If you then want to delete them out of iCloud completely.
You can go to www.icloud.com
Log in with your AppleID.
Go to Contacts.
Select all the Contacts. (Command-A)
Click on the “cogwheel” in the bottom left corner and choose “Delete”.
Then remove them all from iCloud online. This will then empty them all out.

You can also repeat the process for Calendars as well if you don’t want to do 
them as well.
Once you turn this off though, you won’t have the information syncing across 
all the devices, so anytime something is updated, you’ll have to manual change 
or enter it on every device.

Hope that helps.

Kind regards
Daniel

Sent from my iPhone 6

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> On 4 Oct 2016, at 8:30 pm, Michael Hawkins <michael.hawk...@mjhawkins.com.au> 
> wrote:
> 
> Daniel, 
> 
> If only I'd known this a couple of weeks ago. In an unguarded moment Sierra 
> went merrily ahead and shoved me onto iCloud (but not iCloud Drive). Attempts 
> to turn iCloud preferences off result in a stern threat/warning that if I do 
> that all contacts will be removed from my computer. It irritates the hell out 
> of me - they're my contacts, collected since 1993. How dare Apple threaten to 
> steal them.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Michael Hawkins
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 4 Oct. 2016, at 8:04 pm, Daniel Kerr <dan...@macwizardry.com.au> wrote:
>> 
>> For those on El Capitan, Apple have changed it slightly so it will auto 
>> download the Sierra update and have it ready to go.
>> You still have the option to not install it, and have to “approve” the 
>> install with password etc, so it still would give you the warning. But if 
>> you don’t want it downloaded just yet, you can turn this off.
>> 
>> More information on it here -
>> http://www.macrumors.com/2016/10/03/macos-sierra-automatic-downloads/
>> 
>> Also, if you do install it and want to bypass the “iCloud Drive” setup, the 
>> best option to do is to bypass signing into iCloud when you first install 
>> Sierra. When you’re going through the “setup windows” after it first 
>> installs and restarts you’ll get the “sign in to iCloud” screen. Click on 
>> “skip for now”.
>> Then after you’ve gone through everything else and get to the Fin

Re: For those running El Capitan, ...auto update "may" take you to macOS Sierra

[Michael Hawkins]

Daniel, 

If only I'd known this a couple of weeks ago. In an unguarded moment Sierra 
went merrily ahead and shoved me onto iCloud (but not iCloud Drive). Attempts 
to turn iCloud preferences off result in a stern threat/warning that if I do 
that all contacts will be removed from my computer. It irritates the hell out 
of me - they're my contacts, collected since 1993. How dare Apple threaten to 
steal them.

Cheers,

Michael Hawkins

Sent from my iPhone

> On 4 Oct. 2016, at 8:04 pm, Daniel Kerr <dan...@macwizardry.com.au> wrote:
> 
> For those on El Capitan, Apple have changed it slightly so it will auto 
> download the Sierra update and have it ready to go.
> You still have the option to not install it, and have to “approve” the 
> install with password etc, so it still would give you the warning. But if you 
> don’t want it downloaded just yet, you can turn this off.
> 
> More information on it here -
> http://www.macrumors.com/2016/10/03/macos-sierra-automatic-downloads/
> 
> Also, if you do install it and want to bypass the “iCloud Drive” setup, the 
> best option to do is to bypass signing into iCloud when you first install 
> Sierra. When you’re going through the “setup windows” after it first installs 
> and restarts you’ll get the “sign in to iCloud” screen. Click on “skip for 
> now”.
> Then after you’ve gone through everything else and get to the Finder, you can 
> then go to System Preferences - iCloud.
> From there you can then sign back into iCloud and then check on iCloud drive 
> and click on what things you want (or don’t want).
> I tend to always do this with setups and new set ups, as I can then control 
> what changes I’m being asked to do. It’s more of a “safe” way to do it I find.
> 
> Hope something there helps.
> 
> Kind regards
> Daniel
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 6
> 
> ---
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> MacWizardry
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For those running El Capitan, ...auto update "may" take you to macOS Sierra

[Daniel Kerr]

For those on El Capitan, Apple have changed it slightly so it will auto 
download the Sierra update and have it ready to go.
You still have the option to not install it, and have to “approve” the install 
with password etc, so it still would give you the warning. But if you don’t 
want it downloaded just yet, you can turn this off.

More information on it here -
http://www.macrumors.com/2016/10/03/macos-sierra-automatic-downloads/

Also, if you do install it and want to bypass the “iCloud Drive” setup, the 
best option to do is to bypass signing into iCloud when you first install 
Sierra. When you’re going through the “setup windows” after it first installs 
and restarts you’ll get the “sign in to iCloud” screen. Click on “skip for now”.
Then after you’ve gone through everything else and get to the Finder, you can 
then go to System Preferences - iCloud.
From there you can then sign back into iCloud and then check on iCloud drive 
and click on what things you want (or don’t want).
I tend to always do this with setups and new set ups, as I can then control 
what changes I’m being asked to do. It’s more of a “safe” way to do it I find.

Hope something there helps.

Kind regards
Daniel

Sent from my iPhone 6

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Re: macOS Sierra - iCloud - "Documents" folder on hard drive

[Ronni Brown]

Thanks Graham,

Yes, good to make an appointment with Daniel to fix this for you. Daniel asked 
you to do the same as I had asked you in my first reply to you below.

Begin Quote/
"So what I would suggest you try:
1. Go to your iCloud Drive and move the files back from the Documents and 
Desktop folders in the iCloud drive to the Documents and Desktop folders in 
your User home folder. 

 This is expressed in the dialog that shows up, but the wording is not very 
clear.

Check all your documents and desktop files are in your Finder Home Folders on 
your Mac.”
End Quote/

Cheers,
Ronni

> On 2 Oct. 2016, at 3:50 pm, Graham Rabe <gra...@rabe.com.au> wrote:
> 
> Hi Ronni,
> 
> The answers to your 3 questions are:
> A) - Yes - they were uploaded automatically without me doing anything after 
> upgrading to Sierra. When I looked for the 2 folders (Documents and Desktop) 
> in the usual way (under Favorites in the Sidebar) for the first time after 
> upgrading, they were not there - they were now under iCloud in the Sidebar. 
> The 3 folders under iCloud are now fir the first time ever iCloud Drive, 
> Desktop and Documents. Prior to the upgrade, Documents and Desktop were in 
> the Sidebar under Favourites. I repeat, it was when I tried to find a 
> document for the first time after upgrading that I saw those folders were no 
> longer under Favorites. It was also then that I noticed the little circle in 
> iCloud downloading stuff. 
> B) - No - I never went near System Preferences > iCloud to tick that box. The 
> box is however ticked but I certainly never ticked it nor was I ever asked 
> after upgrading to do anything of that sort. 
> C) You are correct - I do not want to use iCloud Drive.
> 
> The only reason I’m using iCloud Drive is because that’s where my documents 
> were installed against my will without me doing anything other than upgrading 
> to Sierra. 
> 
> All my documents have been uploaded to iCloud Drive. That happened over a day 
> or so - again without me initiating that process. I was reluctant to try and 
> stop that process in case by doing so I lost some or all of my data.
> 
> I want to get back to the situation where all my documents are in a folder 
> called Documents under Favorites in the Sidebar and I have now engaged Daniel 
> to do that. You will see from my response to his posting on this thread that 
> I was unable to do either of the things he suggested I do. 
> 
> I appreciated you trying to help Ronni.
> 
> Thanks again.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Graham 
> 
> 
>> On 2 Oct. 2016, at 3:24 pm, Ronni Brown <ro...@mac.com 
>> <mailto:ro...@mac.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Graham,
>> 
>> I thought you did NOT want to use 'iCloud Drive' - that you were asking help 
>> to get your Documents & Desktop files/folders back to the original setup - 
>> to having all your documents & desktop files saved in your Home Finder 
>> folders on your Mac - NOT stored in 'iCloud Drive' in the cloud!
>> 
>> But I now read from your reply below that you have been, and are using 
>> 'iCloud Drive'?
>> Using 'iCloud Drive' & Documents and Desktop syncing, your Documents and 
>> Desktop folders were moved to 'iCloud Drive’! 
>> They are stored/kept in 'iCloud Drive'.
>> 
>> Read this to understand how iCloud - 'iCloud Drive' works:
>> iCloud Drive - Documents & Desktop syncing in macOS Sierra 10.12
>> <http://www.apple.com/icloud/icloud-drive/ 
>> <http://www.apple.com/icloud/icloud-drive/>>
>> 
>> I asked three question below which you did not answer, so we don’t even know 
>> if all your documents have been uploaded to iCloud - 'iCloud Drive’.
>> 
>> I don’t think I can really help you anymore as I don’t understand what you 
>> have done or are actually wanting to achieve?
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Ronni
>> 
>> 13-inch MacBook Air (April 2014)
>> 1.7GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost to 3.3GHz
>> 8GB 1600MHz LPDDR3 SDRAM
>> 512GB PCIe-based Flash Storage
>> 
>> macOS Sierra 10.12
>> 
>>> On 1 Oct. 2016, at 6:49 am, Graham Rabe <gra...@rabe.com.au 
>>> <mailto:gra...@rabe.com.au>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Ronni,
>>> 
>>> Thanks for getting back to me. 
>>> 
>>> I no longer have folders under Favorites in Finder called “Desktop" and 
>>> “Documents” and have been unable to find anything on web about how to put 2 
>>> new folders there. Can you help?
>>> 
>>> Another thing - when I open a Word file I’m working on in iCloud Drive, it 
>>> opens up fine but when I right click on the file name a

Re: macOS Sierra - iCloud - "Documents" folder on hard drive

[Graham Rabe]

Hi Ronni,

The answers to your 3 questions are:
A) - Yes - they were uploaded automatically without me doing anything after 
upgrading to Sierra. When I looked for the 2 folders (Documents and Desktop) in 
the usual way (under Favorites in the Sidebar) for the first time after 
upgrading, they were not there - they were now under iCloud in the Sidebar. The 
3 folders under iCloud are now fir the first time ever iCloud Drive, Desktop 
and Documents. Prior to the upgrade, Documents and Desktop were in the Sidebar 
under Favourites. I repeat, it was when I tried to find a document for the 
first time after upgrading that I saw those folders were no longer under 
Favorites. It was also then that I noticed the little circle in iCloud 
downloading stuff. 
B) - No - I never went near System Preferences > iCloud to tick that box. The 
box is however ticked but I certainly never ticked it nor was I ever asked 
after upgrading to do anything of that sort. 
C) You are correct - I do not want to use iCloud Drive.

The only reason I’m using iCloud Drive is because that’s where my documents 
were installed against my will without me doing anything other than upgrading 
to Sierra. 

All my documents have been uploaded to iCloud Drive. That happened over a day 
or so - again without me initiating that process. I was reluctant to try and 
stop that process in case by doing so I lost some or all of my data.

I want to get back to the situation where all my documents are in a folder 
called Documents under Favorites in the Sidebar and I have now engaged Daniel 
to do that. You will see from my response to his posting on this thread that I 
was unable to do either of the things he suggested I do. 

I appreciated you trying to help Ronni.

Thanks again.

Cheers,

Graham 


> On 2 Oct. 2016, at 3:24 pm, Ronni Brown <ro...@mac.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Graham,
> 
> I thought you did NOT want to use 'iCloud Drive' - that you were asking help 
> to get your Documents & Desktop files/folders back to the original setup - to 
> having all your documents & desktop files saved in your Home Finder folders 
> on your Mac - NOT stored in 'iCloud Drive' in the cloud!
> 
> But I now read from your reply below that you have been, and are using 
> 'iCloud Drive'?
> Using 'iCloud Drive' & Documents and Desktop syncing, your Documents and 
> Desktop folders were moved to 'iCloud Drive’! 
> They are stored/kept in 'iCloud Drive'.
> 
> Read this to understand how iCloud - 'iCloud Drive' works:
> iCloud Drive - Documents & Desktop syncing in macOS Sierra 10.12
> <http://www.apple.com/icloud/icloud-drive/ 
> <http://www.apple.com/icloud/icloud-drive/>>
> 
> I asked three question below which you did not answer, so we don’t even know 
> if all your documents have been uploaded to iCloud - 'iCloud Drive’.
> 
> I don’t think I can really help you anymore as I don’t understand what you 
> have done or are actually wanting to achieve?
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> 
> 13-inch MacBook Air (April 2014)
> 1.7GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost to 3.3GHz
> 8GB 1600MHz LPDDR3 SDRAM
> 512GB PCIe-based Flash Storage
> 
> macOS Sierra 10.12
> 
>> On 1 Oct. 2016, at 6:49 am, Graham Rabe <gra...@rabe.com.au 
>> <mailto:gra...@rabe.com.au>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Ronni,
>> 
>> Thanks for getting back to me. 
>> 
>> I no longer have folders under Favorites in Finder called “Desktop" and 
>> “Documents” and have been unable to find anything on web about how to put 2 
>> new folders there. Can you help?
>> 
>> Another thing - when I open a Word file I’m working on in iCloud Drive, it 
>> opens up fine but when I right click on the file name at the top of the 
>> screen, it shows its location still as if no change to iCloud has occurred 
>> i.e. under my  previous User “Documents” folder in Favorites. There is no 
>> reference to iCloud Drive (where I have to go to open it in Finder).
>> 
>> Weird.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Graham   
>>> On 30 Sep. 2016, at 1:57 pm, Ronni Brown <ro...@mac.com 
>>> <mailto:ro...@mac.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Graham,
>>> 
>>> The documents that were originally on your startup drive are still there 
>>> after turning on syncing. 
>>> They have just been made invisible.
>>> 
>>> A) Are you sure all your documents & desktop files have been uploaded to 
>>> iCloud Drive?
>>> B) Did you turn on “Optimize Mac Storage” under iCloud Drive settings? If 
>>> so Turn it OFF.
>>> C) And you are NOT wanting to use iCloud Drive, and you want your Documents 
>>> and Desktop files back on your Mac?
>>> 
>>> NOTE: 

Re: macOS Sierra - iCloud - "Documents" folder on hard drive

[Ronni Brown]

Hi Graham,

I thought you did NOT want to use 'iCloud Drive' - that you were asking help to 
get your Documents & Desktop files/folders back to the original setup - to 
having all your documents & desktop files saved in your Home Finder folders on 
your Mac - NOT stored in 'iCloud Drive' in the cloud!

But I now read from your reply below that you have been, and are using 'iCloud 
Drive'?
Using 'iCloud Drive' & Documents and Desktop syncing, your Documents and 
Desktop folders were moved to 'iCloud Drive’! 
They are stored/kept in 'iCloud Drive'.

Read this to understand how iCloud - 'iCloud Drive' works:
iCloud Drive - Documents & Desktop syncing in macOS Sierra 10.12
<http://www.apple.com/icloud/icloud-drive/ 
<http://www.apple.com/icloud/icloud-drive/>>

I asked three question below which you did not answer, so we don’t even know if 
all your documents have been uploaded to iCloud - 'iCloud Drive’.

I don’t think I can really help you anymore as I don’t understand what you have 
done or are actually wanting to achieve?

Cheers,
Ronni

13-inch MacBook Air (April 2014)
1.7GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost to 3.3GHz
8GB 1600MHz LPDDR3 SDRAM
512GB PCIe-based Flash Storage

macOS Sierra 10.12

> On 1 Oct. 2016, at 6:49 am, Graham Rabe <gra...@rabe.com.au> wrote:
> 
> Hi Ronni,
> 
> Thanks for getting back to me. 
> 
> I no longer have folders under Favorites in Finder called “Desktop" and 
> “Documents” and have been unable to find anything on web about how to put 2 
> new folders there. Can you help?
> 
> Another thing - when I open a Word file I’m working on in iCloud Drive, it 
> opens up fine but when I right click on the file name at the top of the 
> screen, it shows its location still as if no change to iCloud has occurred 
> i.e. under my  previous User “Documents” folder in Favorites. There is no 
> reference to iCloud Drive (where I have to go to open it in Finder).
> 
> Weird.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Graham   
>> On 30 Sep. 2016, at 1:57 pm, Ronni Brown <ro...@mac.com 
>> <mailto:ro...@mac.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Graham,
>> 
>> The documents that were originally on your startup drive are still there 
>> after turning on syncing. 
>> They have just been made invisible.
>> 
>> A) Are you sure all your documents & desktop files have been uploaded to 
>> iCloud Drive?
>> B) Did you turn on “Optimize Mac Storage” under iCloud Drive settings? If so 
>> Turn it OFF.
>> C) And you are NOT wanting to use iCloud Drive, and you want your Documents 
>> and Desktop files back on your Mac?
>> 
>> NOTE: I’m assuming you have a bootable backup containing your Documents & 
>> Desktop folders ‘Prior’ to installing macOS Sierra and turning iCloud Drive 
>> ON and enabling iCloud sync for ‘Documents and Desktop’. 
>> 
>> If all above is the case and you definitely have all your Documents and 
>> Desktop and data backed up.
>> In case you need to manually copy the data back over from your backup if you 
>> lose it.
>> ——
>> When iCloud sync for ‘Documents and Desktop’ is enabled, macOS simply moves 
>> the folders to the iCloud Drive folder.
>> When you uncheck the Documents and Desktop settings, it breaks that link and 
>> creates new folders, but leaves your folders and files on iCloud Drive. - 
>> The new folders are empty.
>> 
>> So what I would suggest you try:
>> 1. Go to your iCloud Drive and move the files back from the Documents and 
>> Desktop folders in the iCloud drive to the Documents and Desktop folders in 
>> your User home folder. 
>> 
>>  This is expressed in the dialog that shows up, but the wording is not very 
>> clear.
>> 
>> Check all your documents and desktop files are in your Finder Home Folders 
>> on your Mac.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Ronni
>> 
>>> On 30 Sep. 2016, at 8:57 am, Graham Rabe <gra...@rabe.com.au 
>>> <mailto:gra...@rabe.com.au>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi ronni,
>>> 
>>> Looking at this link 
>>> https://discussions.apple.com/thread/7680027?start=0=0 
>>> <https://discussions.apple.com/thread/7680027?start=0=0> makes me 
>>> think that my problem is not so easily resolved by unticking the Desktop 
>>> and Documents folder in iCloud under System Preferences.
>>> 
>>> By the way - I never even ticked the Desktop and Documents box under iCloud 
>>> at any time - that was how things were after installing Sierra.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Graham 
>>>> On 30 Sep. 2016, at 8:39 am, Graham Rabe <gra...@rabe.com.au 
>>>

Re: macOS Sierra - iCloud - "Documents" folder on hard drive

[Michael Hawkins]

For those who don't know Graham and me, he was a Mac sceptic for a couple of 
decades before I could persuade him to try one out, and if I can draw a 
parallel with born again Christians, he is far more evangelical than they are.

Sent from my iPhone

> On 2 Oct. 2016, at 11:25 am, Graham Rabe <gra...@rabe.com.au> wrote:
> 
> Hi Daniel,
> 
> Thanks for that.
> 
> Neither method you’ve referred to works. Documents and Desktop folders are 
> nowhere to be seen under first method and the only reference to those folders 
> in the Sidebar using the second method is under the iCloud section. 
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Graham  
>> On 1 Oct. 2016, at 8:28 am, Daniel Kerr <dan...@macwizardry.com.au> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Graham
>> 
>> You can put the folders in the Sidebar one of two ways.
>> First is you can just drag the folder into the Sidebar (from Macintosh HD - 
>> Users - Yourname, and folders will be there). Then just drag them in.
>> The second way is in in the Finder, go to File menu then Preferences. Then 
>> choose “Sidebar” and you can tick (or untick) the things you want there).
>> 
>> That should get them back to you.
>> Will try answer the second later, as just dashing out.
>> 
>> Kind regards
>> Daniel
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone 6
>> 
>> ---
>> Daniel Kerr
>> MacWizardry
>> 
>> Phone: 0414 795 960
>> Email: <dan...@macwizardry.com.au>
>> Web:   <http://www.macwizardry.com.au>
>> 
>> 
>> **For everything Apple**
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 1 Oct 2016, at 6:49 am, Graham Rabe <gra...@rabe.com.au> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Ronni,
>>> 
>>> Thanks for getting back to me. 
>>> 
>>> I no longer have folders under Favorites in Finder called “Desktop" and 
>>> “Documents” and have been unable to find anything on web about how to put 2 
>>> new folders there. Can you help?
>>> 
>>> Another thing - when I open a Word file I’m working on in iCloud Drive, it 
>>> opens up fine but when I right click on the file name at the top of the 
>>> screen, it shows its location still as if no change to iCloud has occurred 
>>> i.e. under my  previous User “Documents” folder in Favorites. There is no 
>>> reference to iCloud Drive (where I have to go to open it in Finder).
>>> 
>>> Weird.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Graham   
>>>> On 30 Sep. 2016, at 1:57 pm, Ronni Brown <ro...@mac.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Graham,
>>>> 
>>>> The documents that were originally on your startup drive are still there 
>>>> after turning on syncing. 
>>>> They have just been made invisible.
>>>> 
>>>> A) Are you sure all your documents & desktop files have been uploaded to 
>>>> iCloud Drive?
>>>> B) Did you turn on “Optimize Mac Storage” under iCloud Drive settings? If 
>>>> so Turn it OFF.
>>>> C) And you are NOT wanting to use iCloud Drive, and you want your 
>>>> Documents and Desktop files back on your Mac?
>>>> 
>>>> NOTE: I’m assuming you have a bootable backup containing your Documents & 
>>>> Desktop folders ‘Prior’ to installing macOS Sierra and turning iCloud 
>>>> Drive ON and enabling iCloud sync for ‘Documents and Desktop’. 
>>>> 
>>>> If all above is the case and you definitely have all your Documents and 
>>>> Desktop and data backed up.
>>>> In case you need to manually copy the data back over from your backup if 
>>>> you lose it.
>>>> ——
>>>> When iCloud sync for ‘Documents and Desktop’ is enabled, macOS simply 
>>>> moves the folders to the iCloud Drive folder.
>>>> When you uncheck the Documents and Desktop settings, it breaks that link 
>>>> and creates new folders, but leaves your folders and files on iCloud 
>>>> Drive. - The new folders are empty.
>>>> 
>>>> So what I would suggest you try:
>>>> 1. Go to your iCloud Drive and move the files back from the Documents and 
>>>> Desktop folders in the iCloud drive to the Documents and Desktop folders 
>>>> in your User home folder. 
>>>> 
>>>> This is expressed in the dialog that shows up, but the wording is not very 
>>>> clear.
>>>> 
>>>> Check all your documents and desktop files are in your Finder Home Folders 
>>>> on your Mac.
>>>> 
>>>

Re: macOS Sierra - iCloud - "Documents" folder on hard drive

[Michael Hawkins]

Hello Graham,

I'm ever so grateful that WAMUG includes early adapters such as you. Rather 
ironic isn't it, given that you didn't discover Macs until your were at such an 
advanced age.

Cheers,

Michael

Sent from my iPhone

> On 2 Oct. 2016, at 11:25 am, Graham Rabe <gra...@rabe.com.au> wrote:
> 
> Hi Daniel,
> 
> Thanks for that.
> 
> Neither method you’ve referred to works. Documents and Desktop folders are 
> nowhere to be seen under first method and the only reference to those folders 
> in the Sidebar using the second method is under the iCloud section. 
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Graham  
>> On 1 Oct. 2016, at 8:28 am, Daniel Kerr <dan...@macwizardry.com.au> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Graham
>> 
>> You can put the folders in the Sidebar one of two ways.
>> First is you can just drag the folder into the Sidebar (from Macintosh HD - 
>> Users - Yourname, and folders will be there). Then just drag them in.
>> The second way is in in the Finder, go to File menu then Preferences. Then 
>> choose “Sidebar” and you can tick (or untick) the things you want there).
>> 
>> That should get them back to you.
>> Will try answer the second later, as just dashing out.
>> 
>> Kind regards
>> Daniel
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone 6
>> 
>> ---
>> Daniel Kerr
>> MacWizardry
>> 
>> Phone: 0414 795 960
>> Email: <dan...@macwizardry.com.au>
>> Web:   <http://www.macwizardry.com.au>
>> 
>> 
>> **For everything Apple**
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 1 Oct 2016, at 6:49 am, Graham Rabe <gra...@rabe.com.au> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Ronni,
>>> 
>>> Thanks for getting back to me. 
>>> 
>>> I no longer have folders under Favorites in Finder called “Desktop" and 
>>> “Documents” and have been unable to find anything on web about how to put 2 
>>> new folders there. Can you help?
>>> 
>>> Another thing - when I open a Word file I’m working on in iCloud Drive, it 
>>> opens up fine but when I right click on the file name at the top of the 
>>> screen, it shows its location still as if no change to iCloud has occurred 
>>> i.e. under my  previous User “Documents” folder in Favorites. There is no 
>>> reference to iCloud Drive (where I have to go to open it in Finder).
>>> 
>>> Weird.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Graham   
>>>> On 30 Sep. 2016, at 1:57 pm, Ronni Brown <ro...@mac.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Graham,
>>>> 
>>>> The documents that were originally on your startup drive are still there 
>>>> after turning on syncing. 
>>>> They have just been made invisible.
>>>> 
>>>> A) Are you sure all your documents & desktop files have been uploaded to 
>>>> iCloud Drive?
>>>> B) Did you turn on “Optimize Mac Storage” under iCloud Drive settings? If 
>>>> so Turn it OFF.
>>>> C) And you are NOT wanting to use iCloud Drive, and you want your 
>>>> Documents and Desktop files back on your Mac?
>>>> 
>>>> NOTE: I’m assuming you have a bootable backup containing your Documents & 
>>>> Desktop folders ‘Prior’ to installing macOS Sierra and turning iCloud 
>>>> Drive ON and enabling iCloud sync for ‘Documents and Desktop’. 
>>>> 
>>>> If all above is the case and you definitely have all your Documents and 
>>>> Desktop and data backed up.
>>>> In case you need to manually copy the data back over from your backup if 
>>>> you lose it.
>>>> ——
>>>> When iCloud sync for ‘Documents and Desktop’ is enabled, macOS simply 
>>>> moves the folders to the iCloud Drive folder.
>>>> When you uncheck the Documents and Desktop settings, it breaks that link 
>>>> and creates new folders, but leaves your folders and files on iCloud 
>>>> Drive. - The new folders are empty.
>>>> 
>>>> So what I would suggest you try:
>>>> 1. Go to your iCloud Drive and move the files back from the Documents and 
>>>> Desktop folders in the iCloud drive to the Documents and Desktop folders 
>>>> in your User home folder. 
>>>> 
>>>> This is expressed in the dialog that shows up, but the wording is not very 
>>>> clear.
>>>> 
>>>> Check all your documents and desktop files are in your Finder Home Folders 
>>>> on your Mac.
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Ronni
>

Re: macOS Sierra - iCloud - "Documents" folder on hard drive

[Graham Rabe]

Hi Daniel,

Thanks for that.

Neither method you’ve referred to works. Documents and Desktop folders are 
nowhere to be seen under first method and the only reference to those folders 
in the Sidebar using the second method is under the iCloud section. 

Cheers,

Graham  
> On 1 Oct. 2016, at 8:28 am, Daniel Kerr <dan...@macwizardry.com.au> wrote:
> 
> Hi Graham
> 
> You can put the folders in the Sidebar one of two ways.
> First is you can just drag the folder into the Sidebar (from Macintosh HD - 
> Users - Yourname, and folders will be there). Then just drag them in.
> The second way is in in the Finder, go to File menu then Preferences. Then 
> choose “Sidebar” and you can tick (or untick) the things you want there).
> 
> That should get them back to you.
> Will try answer the second later, as just dashing out.
> 
> Kind regards
> Daniel
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 6
> 
> ---
> Daniel Kerr
> MacWizardry
> 
> Phone: 0414 795 960
> Email: <dan...@macwizardry.com.au>
> Web:   <http://www.macwizardry.com.au>
> 
> 
> **For everything Apple**
> 
> 
> 
>> On 1 Oct 2016, at 6:49 am, Graham Rabe <gra...@rabe.com.au> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Ronni,
>> 
>> Thanks for getting back to me. 
>> 
>> I no longer have folders under Favorites in Finder called “Desktop" and 
>> “Documents” and have been unable to find anything on web about how to put 2 
>> new folders there. Can you help?
>> 
>> Another thing - when I open a Word file I’m working on in iCloud Drive, it 
>> opens up fine but when I right click on the file name at the top of the 
>> screen, it shows its location still as if no change to iCloud has occurred 
>> i.e. under my  previous User “Documents” folder in Favorites. There is no 
>> reference to iCloud Drive (where I have to go to open it in Finder).
>> 
>> Weird.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Graham   
>>> On 30 Sep. 2016, at 1:57 pm, Ronni Brown <ro...@mac.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Graham,
>>> 
>>> The documents that were originally on your startup drive are still there 
>>> after turning on syncing. 
>>> They have just been made invisible.
>>> 
>>> A) Are you sure all your documents & desktop files have been uploaded to 
>>> iCloud Drive?
>>> B) Did you turn on “Optimize Mac Storage” under iCloud Drive settings? If 
>>> so Turn it OFF.
>>> C) And you are NOT wanting to use iCloud Drive, and you want your Documents 
>>> and Desktop files back on your Mac?
>>> 
>>> NOTE: I’m assuming you have a bootable backup containing your Documents & 
>>> Desktop folders ‘Prior’ to installing macOS Sierra and turning iCloud Drive 
>>> ON and enabling iCloud sync for ‘Documents and Desktop’. 
>>> 
>>> If all above is the case and you definitely have all your Documents and 
>>> Desktop and data backed up.
>>> In case you need to manually copy the data back over from your backup if 
>>> you lose it.
>>> ——
>>> When iCloud sync for ‘Documents and Desktop’ is enabled, macOS simply moves 
>>> the folders to the iCloud Drive folder.
>>> When you uncheck the Documents and Desktop settings, it breaks that link 
>>> and creates new folders, but leaves your folders and files on iCloud Drive. 
>>> - The new folders are empty.
>>> 
>>> So what I would suggest you try:
>>> 1. Go to your iCloud Drive and move the files back from the Documents and 
>>> Desktop folders in the iCloud drive to the Documents and Desktop folders in 
>>> your User home folder. 
>>> 
>>> This is expressed in the dialog that shows up, but the wording is not very 
>>> clear.
>>> 
>>> Check all your documents and desktop files are in your Finder Home Folders 
>>> on your Mac.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Ronni
>>> 
>>>> On 30 Sep. 2016, at 8:57 am, Graham Rabe <gra...@rabe.com.au> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi ronni,
>>>> 
>>>> Looking at this link 
>>>> https://discussions.apple.com/thread/7680027?start=0=0 makes me 
>>>> think that my problem is not so easily resolved by unticking the Desktop 
>>>> and Documents folder in iCloud under System Preferences.
>>>> 
>>>> By the way - I never even ticked the Desktop and Documents box under 
>>>> iCloud at any time - that was how things were after installing Sierra.
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> 
>>>> Graham 
>>>>

Re: macOS Sierra - iCloud - "Documents" folder on hard drive

[Daniel Kerr]

Hi Graham

You can put the folders in the Sidebar one of two ways.
First is you can just drag the folder into the Sidebar (from Macintosh HD - 
Users - Yourname, and folders will be there). Then just drag them in.
The second way is in in the Finder, go to File menu then Preferences. Then 
choose “Sidebar” and you can tick (or untick) the things you want there).

That should get them back to you.
Will try answer the second later, as just dashing out.

Kind regards
Daniel

Sent from my iPhone 6

---
Daniel Kerr
MacWizardry

Phone: 0414 795 960
Email: <dan...@macwizardry.com.au>
Web:   <http://www.macwizardry.com.au>


**For everything Apple**



> On 1 Oct 2016, at 6:49 am, Graham Rabe <gra...@rabe.com.au> wrote:
> 
> Hi Ronni,
> 
> Thanks for getting back to me. 
> 
> I no longer have folders under Favorites in Finder called “Desktop" and 
> “Documents” and have been unable to find anything on web about how to put 2 
> new folders there. Can you help?
> 
> Another thing - when I open a Word file I’m working on in iCloud Drive, it 
> opens up fine but when I right click on the file name at the top of the 
> screen, it shows its location still as if no change to iCloud has occurred 
> i.e. under my  previous User “Documents” folder in Favorites. There is no 
> reference to iCloud Drive (where I have to go to open it in Finder).
> 
> Weird.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Graham   
>> On 30 Sep. 2016, at 1:57 pm, Ronni Brown <ro...@mac.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Graham,
>> 
>> The documents that were originally on your startup drive are still there 
>> after turning on syncing. 
>> They have just been made invisible.
>> 
>> A) Are you sure all your documents & desktop files have been uploaded to 
>> iCloud Drive?
>> B) Did you turn on “Optimize Mac Storage” under iCloud Drive settings? If so 
>> Turn it OFF.
>> C) And you are NOT wanting to use iCloud Drive, and you want your Documents 
>> and Desktop files back on your Mac?
>> 
>> NOTE: I’m assuming you have a bootable backup containing your Documents & 
>> Desktop folders ‘Prior’ to installing macOS Sierra and turning iCloud Drive 
>> ON and enabling iCloud sync for ‘Documents and Desktop’. 
>> 
>> If all above is the case and you definitely have all your Documents and 
>> Desktop and data backed up.
>> In case you need to manually copy the data back over from your backup if you 
>> lose it.
>> ——
>> When iCloud sync for ‘Documents and Desktop’ is enabled, macOS simply moves 
>> the folders to the iCloud Drive folder.
>> When you uncheck the Documents and Desktop settings, it breaks that link and 
>> creates new folders, but leaves your folders and files on iCloud Drive. - 
>> The new folders are empty.
>> 
>> So what I would suggest you try:
>> 1. Go to your iCloud Drive and move the files back from the Documents and 
>> Desktop folders in the iCloud drive to the Documents and Desktop folders in 
>> your User home folder. 
>> 
>>  This is expressed in the dialog that shows up, but the wording is not very 
>> clear.
>> 
>> Check all your documents and desktop files are in your Finder Home Folders 
>> on your Mac.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Ronni
>> 
>>> On 30 Sep. 2016, at 8:57 am, Graham Rabe <gra...@rabe.com.au> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi ronni,
>>> 
>>> Looking at this link 
>>> https://discussions.apple.com/thread/7680027?start=0=0 makes me 
>>> think that my problem is not so easily resolved by unticking the Desktop 
>>> and Documents folder in iCloud under System Preferences.
>>> 
>>> By the way - I never even ticked the Desktop and Documents box under iCloud 
>>> at any time - that was how things were after installing Sierra.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Graham 
>>>> On 30 Sep. 2016, at 8:39 am, Graham Rabe <gra...@rabe.com.au> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks for that Ronni.
>>>> 
>>>> If I go to iCloud in System Preferences and untick iCloud Drive, the 
>>>> message is “If you continue, documents on your Desktop and in your 
>>>> Documents folder will be visible in iCloud Drive only”. 
>>>> 
>>>> That is exactly what I do not want. 
>>>> 
>>>> I just want to be where I was before Sierra - where my Documents folder is 
>>>> in Finder under Favorites and not under iCloud section. 
>>>> 
>>>> I’ve assumed that the only place you can turn iCloud Drive on or off is 
>>>> under System Preferences - iCloud.  And then I get 

Re: macOS Sierra - iCloud - "Documents" folder on hard drive

[Graham Rabe]

Hi Ronni,

Thanks for getting back to me. 

I no longer have folders under Favorites in Finder called “Desktop" and 
“Documents” and have been unable to find anything on web about how to put 2 new 
folders there. Can you help?

Another thing - when I open a Word file I’m working on in iCloud Drive, it 
opens up fine but when I right click on the file name at the top of the screen, 
it shows its location still as if no change to iCloud has occurred i.e. under 
my  previous User “Documents” folder in Favorites. There is no reference to 
iCloud Drive (where I have to go to open it in Finder).

Weird.

Cheers,

Graham   
> On 30 Sep. 2016, at 1:57 pm, Ronni Brown <ro...@mac.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Graham,
> 
> The documents that were originally on your startup drive are still there 
> after turning on syncing. 
> They have just been made invisible.
> 
> A) Are you sure all your documents & desktop files have been uploaded to 
> iCloud Drive?
> B) Did you turn on “Optimize Mac Storage” under iCloud Drive settings? If so 
> Turn it OFF.
> C) And you are NOT wanting to use iCloud Drive, and you want your Documents 
> and Desktop files back on your Mac?
> 
> NOTE: I’m assuming you have a bootable backup containing your Documents & 
> Desktop folders ‘Prior’ to installing macOS Sierra and turning iCloud Drive 
> ON and enabling iCloud sync for ‘Documents and Desktop’. 
> 
> If all above is the case and you definitely have all your Documents and 
> Desktop and data backed up.
> In case you need to manually copy the data back over from your backup if you 
> lose it.
> ——
> When iCloud sync for ‘Documents and Desktop’ is enabled, macOS simply moves 
> the folders to the iCloud Drive folder.
> When you uncheck the Documents and Desktop settings, it breaks that link and 
> creates new folders, but leaves your folders and files on iCloud Drive. - The 
> new folders are empty.
> 
> So what I would suggest you try:
> 1. Go to your iCloud Drive and move the files back from the Documents and 
> Desktop folders in the iCloud drive to the Documents and Desktop folders in 
> your User home folder. 
> 
>  This is expressed in the dialog that shows up, but the wording is not very 
> clear.
> 
> Check all your documents and desktop files are in your Finder Home Folders on 
> your Mac.
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> 
>> On 30 Sep. 2016, at 8:57 am, Graham Rabe <gra...@rabe.com.au 
>> <mailto:gra...@rabe.com.au>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi ronni,
>> 
>> Looking at this link 
>> https://discussions.apple.com/thread/7680027?start=0=0 
>> <https://discussions.apple.com/thread/7680027?start=0=0> makes me 
>> think that my problem is not so easily resolved by unticking the Desktop and 
>> Documents folder in iCloud under System Preferences.
>> 
>> By the way - I never even ticked the Desktop and Documents box under iCloud 
>> at any time - that was how things were after installing Sierra.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Graham 
>>> On 30 Sep. 2016, at 8:39 am, Graham Rabe <gra...@rabe.com.au 
>>> <mailto:gra...@rabe.com.au>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks for that Ronni.
>>> 
>>> If I go to iCloud in System Preferences and untick iCloud Drive, the 
>>> message is “If you continue, documents on your Desktop and in your 
>>> Documents folder will be visible in iCloud Drive only”. 
>>> 
>>> That is exactly what I do not want. 
>>> 
>>> I just want to be where I was before Sierra - where my Documents folder is 
>>> in Finder under Favorites and not under iCloud section. 
>>> 
>>> I’ve assumed that the only place you can turn iCloud Drive on or off is 
>>> under System Preferences - iCloud.  And then I get the message referred to 
>>> above.
>>> 
>>> I’d appreciate any further assistance you could give me.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Graham 
>>>> On 29 Sep. 2016, at 8:00 pm, Ronni Brown <ro...@mac.com 
>>>> <mailto:ro...@mac.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hello Graham & Michael,
>>>> 
>>>> You DON’T have to use "iCloud Drive" unless you want to! 
>>>> The first thing I do after installing a OS X update & iOS update is check 
>>>> that iCloud Drive is NOT ON… & turn if OFF if it is.
>>>> " iCloud Drive” is turned OFF on all my iDevices and computers.
>>>> I use iCloud but NOT “iCloud Drive”!
>>>> 
>>>> Sierra adds a new iCloud Drive feature where you can integrate your 
>>>> Desktop and Documents folders wi

Re: macOS Sierra - iCloud - "Documents" folder on hard drive

[Ronni Brown]

Hi Graham,

The documents that were originally on your startup drive are still there after 
turning on syncing. 
They have just been made invisible.

A) Are you sure all your documents & desktop files have been uploaded to iCloud 
Drive?
B) Did you turn on “Optimize Mac Storage” under iCloud Drive settings? If so 
Turn it OFF.
C) And you are NOT wanting to use iCloud Drive, and you want your Documents and 
Desktop files back on your Mac?

NOTE: I’m assuming you have a bootable backup containing your Documents & 
Desktop folders ‘Prior’ to installing macOS Sierra and turning iCloud Drive ON 
and enabling iCloud sync for ‘Documents and Desktop’. 

If all above is the case and you definitely have all your Documents and Desktop 
and data backed up.
In case you need to manually copy the data back over from your backup if you 
lose it.
——
When iCloud sync for ‘Documents and Desktop’ is enabled, macOS simply moves the 
folders to the iCloud Drive folder.
When you uncheck the Documents and Desktop settings, it breaks that link and 
creates new folders, but leaves your folders and files on iCloud Drive. - The 
new folders are empty.

So what I would suggest you try:
1. Go to your iCloud Drive and move the files back from the Documents and 
Desktop folders in the iCloud drive to the Documents and Desktop folders in 
your User home folder. 

 This is expressed in the dialog that shows up, but the wording is not very 
clear.

Check all your documents and desktop files are in your Finder Home Folders on 
your Mac.

Cheers,
Ronni

> On 30 Sep. 2016, at 8:57 am, Graham Rabe <gra...@rabe.com.au> wrote:
> 
> Hi ronni,
> 
> Looking at this link 
> https://discussions.apple.com/thread/7680027?start=0=0 
> <https://discussions.apple.com/thread/7680027?start=0=0> makes me 
> think that my problem is not so easily resolved by unticking the Desktop and 
> Documents folder in iCloud under System Preferences.
> 
> By the way - I never even ticked the Desktop and Documents box under iCloud 
> at any time - that was how things were after installing Sierra.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Graham 
>> On 30 Sep. 2016, at 8:39 am, Graham Rabe <gra...@rabe.com.au 
>> <mailto:gra...@rabe.com.au>> wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks for that Ronni.
>> 
>> If I go to iCloud in System Preferences and untick iCloud Drive, the message 
>> is “If you continue, documents on your Desktop and in your Documents folder 
>> will be visible in iCloud Drive only”. 
>> 
>> That is exactly what I do not want. 
>> 
>> I just want to be where I was before Sierra - where my Documents folder is 
>> in Finder under Favorites and not under iCloud section. 
>> 
>> I’ve assumed that the only place you can turn iCloud Drive on or off is 
>> under System Preferences - iCloud.  And then I get the message referred to 
>> above.
>> 
>> I’d appreciate any further assistance you could give me.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Graham 
>>> On 29 Sep. 2016, at 8:00 pm, Ronni Brown <ro...@mac.com 
>>> <mailto:ro...@mac.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Graham & Michael,
>>> 
>>> You DON’T have to use "iCloud Drive" unless you want to! 
>>> The first thing I do after installing a OS X update & iOS update is check 
>>> that iCloud Drive is NOT ON… & turn if OFF if it is.
>>> " iCloud Drive” is turned OFF on all my iDevices and computers.
>>> I use iCloud but NOT “iCloud Drive”!
>>> 
>>> Sierra adds a new iCloud Drive feature where you can integrate your Desktop 
>>> and Documents folders with iCloud Drive. 
>>> New! Documents and Desktop Folder Syncing
>>> Sierra adds a new iCloud Drive feature where you can integrate your Desktop 
>>> and Documents folders with iCloud Drive. 
>>> You may want to keep it OFF until you’ve had time to consider it’s pros and 
>>> cons— 
>>> —
>>> Have a read of the 'iCloud Drive FAQ'
>>> <https://support.apple.com/en-au/HT201104 
>>> <https://support.apple.com/en-au/HT201104>>
>>> 
>>> Use iCloud Drive to store documents, presentations, spreadsheets, PDFs, 
>>> images, you name it, on Apple’s servers. Everything you save here is 
>>> immediately synced and available on other compatible Apple devices you’ve 
>>> set up.
>>> 
>>> That means you can work on a document on your iPad and then open it later 
>>> on your Mac. In many cases, you can also work with it on the iCloud.com 
>>> <https://www.icloud.com/> Web site.
>>> 
>>> Apple’s iCloud Drive stores your files in the cloud, making it easy to 
>>> access the

Re: macOS Sierra - iCloud - "Documents" folder on hard drive

[Graham Rabe]

Hi ronni,

Looking at this link 
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/7680027?start=0=0 
<https://discussions.apple.com/thread/7680027?start=0=0> makes me think 
that my problem is not so easily resolved by unticking the Desktop and 
Documents folder in iCloud under System Preferences.

By the way - I never even ticked the Desktop and Documents box under iCloud at 
any time - that was how things were after installing Sierra.

Cheers,

Graham 
> On 30 Sep. 2016, at 8:39 am, Graham Rabe <gra...@rabe.com.au> wrote:
> 
> Thanks for that Ronni.
> 
> If I go to iCloud in System Preferences and untick iCloud Drive, the message 
> is “If you continue, documents on your Desktop and in your Documents folder 
> will be visible in iCloud Drive only”. 
> 
> That is exactly what I do not want. 
> 
> I just want to be where I was before Sierra - where my Documents folder is in 
> Finder under Favorites and not under iCloud section. 
> 
> I’ve assumed that the only place you can turn iCloud Drive on or off is under 
> System Preferences - iCloud.  And then I get the message referred to above.
> 
> I’d appreciate any further assistance you could give me.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Graham 
>> On 29 Sep. 2016, at 8:00 pm, Ronni Brown <ro...@mac.com 
>> <mailto:ro...@mac.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Graham & Michael,
>> 
>> You DON’T have to use "iCloud Drive" unless you want to! 
>> The first thing I do after installing a OS X update & iOS update is check 
>> that iCloud Drive is NOT ON… & turn if OFF if it is.
>> " iCloud Drive” is turned OFF on all my iDevices and computers.
>> I use iCloud but NOT “iCloud Drive”!
>> 
>> Sierra adds a new iCloud Drive feature where you can integrate your Desktop 
>> and Documents folders with iCloud Drive. 
>> New! Documents and Desktop Folder Syncing
>> Sierra adds a new iCloud Drive feature where you can integrate your Desktop 
>> and Documents folders with iCloud Drive. 
>> You may want to keep it OFF until you’ve had time to consider it’s pros and 
>> cons— 
>> —
>> Have a read of the 'iCloud Drive FAQ'
>> <https://support.apple.com/en-au/HT201104 
>> <https://support.apple.com/en-au/HT201104>>
>> 
>> Use iCloud Drive to store documents, presentations, spreadsheets, PDFs, 
>> images, you name it, on Apple’s servers. Everything you save here is 
>> immediately synced and available on other compatible Apple devices you’ve 
>> set up.
>> 
>> That means you can work on a document on your iPad and then open it later on 
>> your Mac. In many cases, you can also work with it on the iCloud.com 
>> <https://www.icloud.com/> Web site.
>> 
>> Apple’s iCloud Drive stores your files in the cloud, making it easy to 
>> access them on any of your Apple devices (or a Windows PC)—so long as the 
>> device has a fast enough Internet connection. 
>> 
>> Drag files to and from the iCloud Drive folder in your Mac’s Finder, and 
>> iCloud Drive syncs them across your devices so they’re always up to date.
>> ==
>> Re: Sierra ——— macOS Sierra 10.12:
>> I have been running macOS Sierra 10.12 successfully on both my MacBook Pro 
>> and MacBook Air, without any problems at all.
>> But - I did follow my normal safety ‘Prepare' before upgrading any major 
>> version of OS X.
>> I updated all applications that had Sierra updates, did CCC bootable backups 
>> / Time Machine as in my Post  to WAMUG members 23 Sept. 2016 at 8:15am - 
>> Subject: Sierra
>> 
>> Prepare to upgrade:
>> 1. Make sure your computer can run Sierra.
>> 2. BACKUP! - BACKUP!
>> 3. Make sure key software is up to date, and remove clutter that could 
>> interfere with the upgrade. 
>> 4. Decide which upgrade strategy is best for you
>> etc etc etc as per my previous post.
>> 
>> I really like Sierra it is a very good upgrade. One of features I find 
>> extremely useful is ‘Handoff’
>> "Use Handoff to move seamlessly between your Apple devices. For instance, 
>> say you start to write an email message on your Mac and then have to rush 
>> out the door for work. While you wait at the train station, you can finish 
>> composing the message on your iPhone. Or, say you start reading an article 
>> in Safari on your iPad and then want to finish on your iMac at the office. 
>> Handoff lets you pick up where you left off when using Calendar, Contacts, 
>> Keynote, Mail, Maps, Messages, Notes, Numbers, Pages, Reminders, Safari, and 
>> some third-party apps in Sierra and iOS 10”
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Ronni
>>

Re: macOS Sierra - iCloud - "Documents" folder on hard drive

[Graham Rabe]

Thanks for that Ronni.

If I go to iCloud in System Preferences and untick iCloud Drive, the message is 
“If you continue, documents on your Desktop and in your Documents folder will 
be visible in iCloud Drive only”. 

That is exactly what I do not want. 

I just want to be where I was before Sierra - where my Documents folder is in 
Finder under Favorites and not under iCloud section. 

I’ve assumed that the only place you can turn iCloud Drive on or off is under 
System Preferences - iCloud.  And then I get the message referred to above.

I’d appreciate any further assistance you could give me.

Thanks,

Graham 
> On 29 Sep. 2016, at 8:00 pm, Ronni Brown <ro...@mac.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello Graham & Michael,
> 
> You DON’T have to use "iCloud Drive" unless you want to! 
> The first thing I do after installing a OS X update & iOS update is check 
> that iCloud Drive is NOT ON… & turn if OFF if it is.
> " iCloud Drive” is turned OFF on all my iDevices and computers.
> I use iCloud but NOT “iCloud Drive”!
> 
> Sierra adds a new iCloud Drive feature where you can integrate your Desktop 
> and Documents folders with iCloud Drive. 
> New! Documents and Desktop Folder Syncing
> Sierra adds a new iCloud Drive feature where you can integrate your Desktop 
> and Documents folders with iCloud Drive. 
> You may want to keep it OFF until you’ve had time to consider it’s pros and 
> cons— 
> —
> Have a read of the 'iCloud Drive FAQ'
> <https://support.apple.com/en-au/HT201104 
> <https://support.apple.com/en-au/HT201104>>
> 
> Use iCloud Drive to store documents, presentations, spreadsheets, PDFs, 
> images, you name it, on Apple’s servers. Everything you save here is 
> immediately synced and available on other compatible Apple devices you’ve set 
> up.
> 
> That means you can work on a document on your iPad and then open it later on 
> your Mac. In many cases, you can also work with it on the iCloud.com 
> <https://www.icloud.com/> Web site.
> 
> Apple’s iCloud Drive stores your files in the cloud, making it easy to access 
> them on any of your Apple devices (or a Windows PC)—so long as the device has 
> a fast enough Internet connection. 
> 
> Drag files to and from the iCloud Drive folder in your Mac’s Finder, and 
> iCloud Drive syncs them across your devices so they’re always up to date.
> ==
> Re: Sierra ——— macOS Sierra 10.12:
> I have been running macOS Sierra 10.12 successfully on both my MacBook Pro 
> and MacBook Air, without any problems at all.
> But - I did follow my normal safety ‘Prepare' before upgrading any major 
> version of OS X.
> I updated all applications that had Sierra updates, did CCC bootable backups 
> / Time Machine as in my Post  to WAMUG members 23 Sept. 2016 at 8:15am - 
> Subject: Sierra
> 
> Prepare to upgrade:
> 1. Make sure your computer can run Sierra.
> 2. BACKUP! - BACKUP!
> 3. Make sure key software is up to date, and remove clutter that could 
> interfere with the upgrade. 
> 4. Decide which upgrade strategy is best for you
> etc etc etc as per my previous post.
> 
> I really like Sierra it is a very good upgrade. One of features I find 
> extremely useful is ‘Handoff’
> "Use Handoff to move seamlessly between your Apple devices. For instance, say 
> you start to write an email message on your Mac and then have to rush out the 
> door for work. While you wait at the train station, you can finish composing 
> the message on your iPhone. Or, say you start reading an article in Safari on 
> your iPad and then want to finish on your iMac at the office. 
> Handoff lets you pick up where you left off when using Calendar, Contacts, 
> Keynote, Mail, Maps, Messages, Notes, Numbers, Pages, Reminders, Safari, and 
> some third-party apps in Sierra and iOS 10”
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> 
> 13-inch MacBook Air (April 2014)
> 1.7GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost to 3.3GHz
> 8GB 1600MHz LPDDR3 SDRAM
> 512GB PCIe-based Flash Storage
> 
> macOS Sierra 10.12
> 
>> On 29 Sep. 2016, at 1:18 pm, Graham Rabe <gra...@rabe.com.au 
>> <mailto:gra...@rabe.com.au>> wrote:
>> 
>> I’ve upgraded to Sierra and all of my data in my previous “Documents” folder 
>> previously on my hard drive (in Finder under Documents”) is now only 
>> available in iCloud (where there is now a “Documents” folder). There is no 
>> longer a “Documents” folder listed anywhere on my hard drive. 
>> 
>> I’ve gone to System Preferences - iCloud and see that I can change that 
>> scenario (under Options). 
>> 
>> What I can’t figure out is that at the bottom of that Options box it states 
>> that “The full contents of iCloud Drive will be stored on

Re: macOS Sierra - iCloud - "Documents" folder on hard drive

[Ronda Brown]

Hi Michael,

I thought I had already explained in my previous reply?

To add to my previous explanation of 'Handoff'.
"Handoff let's you start something on one device and instantly pick it up on 
other devices using your iCloud account. The app you need appears in the lock 
screen, app switcher, and the Dock on a Mac"

Handoff has been around before macOS Sierra & iOS 10, but it seems to work 
better in the current updates.

Cheers,
Ronni

Sent from Ronni's iPad4


> On 29 Sep. 2016, at 9:27 pm, Michael Hawkins 
> <michael.hawk...@mjhawkins.com.au> wrote:
> 
> Thanks Ronni,
> 
> What's the difference in result between hand-off and emailing to yourself, 
> what ever you're working on?
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Michael
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 29 Sep. 2016, at 8:00 pm, Ronni Brown <ro...@mac.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Graham & Michael,
>> 
>> You DON’T have to use "iCloud Drive" unless you want to! 
>> The first thing I do after installing a OS X update & iOS update is check 
>> that iCloud Drive is NOT ON… & turn if OFF if it is.
>> " iCloud Drive” is turned OFF on all my iDevices and computers.
>> I use iCloud but NOT “iCloud Drive”!
>> 
>> Sierra adds a new iCloud Drive feature where you can integrate your Desktop 
>> and Documents folders with iCloud Drive. 
>> New! Documents and Desktop Folder Syncing
>> Sierra adds a new iCloud Drive feature where you can integrate your Desktop 
>> and Documents folders with iCloud Drive. 
>> You may want to keep it OFF until you’ve had time to consider it’s pros and 
>> cons— 
>> —
>> Have a read of the 'iCloud Drive FAQ'
>> <https://support.apple.com/en-au/HT201104>
>> 
>> Use iCloud Drive to store documents, presentations, spreadsheets, PDFs, 
>> images, you name it, on Apple’s servers. Everything you save here is 
>> immediately synced and available on other compatible Apple devices you’ve 
>> set up.
>> 
>> That means you can work on a document on your iPad and then open it later on 
>> your Mac. In many cases, you can also work with it on the iCloud.com Web 
>> site.
>> 
>> Apple’s iCloud Drive stores your files in the cloud, making it easy to 
>> access them on any of your Apple devices (or a Windows PC)—so long as the 
>> device has a fast enough Internet connection. 
>> 
>> Drag files to and from the iCloud Drive folder in your Mac’s Finder, and 
>> iCloud Drive syncs them across your devices so they’re always up to date.
>> ==
>> Re: Sierra ——— macOS Sierra 10.12:
>> I have been running macOS Sierra 10.12 successfully on both my MacBook Pro 
>> and MacBook Air, without any problems at all.
>> But - I did follow my normal safety ‘Prepare' before upgrading any major 
>> version of OS X.
>> I updated all applications that had Sierra updates, did CCC bootable backups 
>> / Time Machine as in my Post  to WAMUG members 23 Sept. 2016 at 8:15am - 
>> Subject: Sierra
>> 
>> Prepare to upgrade:
>> 1. Make sure your computer can run Sierra.
>> 2. BACKUP! - BACKUP!
>> 3. Make sure key software is up to date, and remove clutter that could 
>> interfere with the upgrade. 
>> 4. Decide which upgrade strategy is best for you
>> etc etc etc as per my previous post.
>> 
>> I really like Sierra it is a very good upgrade. One of features I find 
>> extremely useful is ‘Handoff’
>> "Use Handoff to move seamlessly between your Apple devices. For instance, 
>> say you start to write an email message on your Mac and then have to rush 
>> out the door for work. While you wait at the train station, you can finish 
>> composing the message on your iPhone. Or, say you start reading an article 
>> in Safari on your iPad and then want to finish on your iMac at the office. 
>> Handoff lets you pick up where you left off when using Calendar, Contacts, 
>> Keynote, Mail, Maps, Messages, Notes, Numbers, Pages, Reminders, Safari, and 
>> some third-party apps in Sierra and iOS 10”
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Ronni
>> 
>> 13-inch MacBook Air (April 2014)
>> 1.7GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost to 3.3GHz
>> 8GB 1600MHz LPDDR3 SDRAM
>> 512GB PCIe-based Flash Storage
>> 
>> macOS Sierra 10.12
>> 
>>> On 29 Sep. 2016, at 1:18 pm, Graham Rabe <gra...@rabe.com.au> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I’ve upgraded to Sierra and all of my data in my previous “Documents” 
>>> folder previously on my hard drive (in Finder under Documents”) is now only 
>>> available in iCloud (where there is now a “Documents” folder). The

Re: macOS Sierra - iCloud - "Documents" folder on hard drive

[Michael Hawkins]

Thanks Ronni,

What's the difference in result between hand-off and emailing to yourself, what 
ever you're working on?

Cheers,

Michael
Sent from my iPhone

> On 29 Sep. 2016, at 8:00 pm, Ronni Brown <ro...@mac.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello Graham & Michael,
> 
> You DON’T have to use "iCloud Drive" unless you want to! 
> The first thing I do after installing a OS X update & iOS update is check 
> that iCloud Drive is NOT ON… & turn if OFF if it is.
> " iCloud Drive” is turned OFF on all my iDevices and computers.
> I use iCloud but NOT “iCloud Drive”!
> 
> Sierra adds a new iCloud Drive feature where you can integrate your Desktop 
> and Documents folders with iCloud Drive. 
> New! Documents and Desktop Folder Syncing
> Sierra adds a new iCloud Drive feature where you can integrate your Desktop 
> and Documents folders with iCloud Drive. 
> You may want to keep it OFF until you’ve had time to consider it’s pros and 
> cons— 
> —
> Have a read of the 'iCloud Drive FAQ'
> <https://support.apple.com/en-au/HT201104>
> 
> Use iCloud Drive to store documents, presentations, spreadsheets, PDFs, 
> images, you name it, on Apple’s servers. Everything you save here is 
> immediately synced and available on other compatible Apple devices you’ve set 
> up.
> 
> That means you can work on a document on your iPad and then open it later on 
> your Mac. In many cases, you can also work with it on the iCloud.com Web site.
> 
> Apple’s iCloud Drive stores your files in the cloud, making it easy to access 
> them on any of your Apple devices (or a Windows PC)—so long as the device has 
> a fast enough Internet connection. 
> 
> Drag files to and from the iCloud Drive folder in your Mac’s Finder, and 
> iCloud Drive syncs them across your devices so they’re always up to date.
> ==
> Re: Sierra ——— macOS Sierra 10.12:
> I have been running macOS Sierra 10.12 successfully on both my MacBook Pro 
> and MacBook Air, without any problems at all.
> But - I did follow my normal safety ‘Prepare' before upgrading any major 
> version of OS X.
> I updated all applications that had Sierra updates, did CCC bootable backups 
> / Time Machine as in my Post  to WAMUG members 23 Sept. 2016 at 8:15am - 
> Subject: Sierra
> 
> Prepare to upgrade:
> 1. Make sure your computer can run Sierra.
> 2. BACKUP! - BACKUP!
> 3. Make sure key software is up to date, and remove clutter that could 
> interfere with the upgrade. 
> 4. Decide which upgrade strategy is best for you
> etc etc etc as per my previous post.
> 
> I really like Sierra it is a very good upgrade. One of features I find 
> extremely useful is ‘Handoff’
> "Use Handoff to move seamlessly between your Apple devices. For instance, say 
> you start to write an email message on your Mac and then have to rush out the 
> door for work. While you wait at the train station, you can finish composing 
> the message on your iPhone. Or, say you start reading an article in Safari on 
> your iPad and then want to finish on your iMac at the office. 
> Handoff lets you pick up where you left off when using Calendar, Contacts, 
> Keynote, Mail, Maps, Messages, Notes, Numbers, Pages, Reminders, Safari, and 
> some third-party apps in Sierra and iOS 10”
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> 
> 13-inch MacBook Air (April 2014)
> 1.7GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost to 3.3GHz
> 8GB 1600MHz LPDDR3 SDRAM
> 512GB PCIe-based Flash Storage
> 
> macOS Sierra 10.12
> 
>> On 29 Sep. 2016, at 1:18 pm, Graham Rabe <gra...@rabe.com.au> wrote:
>> 
>> I’ve upgraded to Sierra and all of my data in my previous “Documents” folder 
>> previously on my hard drive (in Finder under Documents”) is now only 
>> available in iCloud (where there is now a “Documents” folder). There is no 
>> longer a “Documents” folder listed anywhere on my hard drive. 
>> 
>> I’ve gone to System Preferences - iCloud and see that I can change that 
>> scenario (under Options). 
>> 
>> What I can’t figure out is that at the bottom of that Options box it states 
>> that “The full contents of iCloud Drive will be stored on this Mac if you 
>> have enough space. Older documents will be stored only in iCloud when space 
>> is needed.”
>> 
>> I have more than enough space on my hard drive. 
>> 
>> In the Finder menu, when I select  “Go” for “Documents” - it shows the 
>> documents in the iCloud section. 
>> 
>> My question is: where in Finder do I find all of my documents on my hard 
>> drive? Where are they “stored”?
>> 
>> Any views/recommendations about allowing all documents to be stored only on 
>> iCloud under this new regime woul

Re: macOS Sierra - iCloud - "Documents" folder on hard drive

[Ronni Brown]

Hello Graham & Michael,

You DON’T have to use "iCloud Drive" unless you want to! 
The first thing I do after installing a OS X update & iOS update is check that 
iCloud Drive is NOT ON… & turn if OFF if it is.
" iCloud Drive” is turned OFF on all my iDevices and computers.
I use iCloud but NOT “iCloud Drive”!

Sierra adds a new iCloud Drive feature where you can integrate your Desktop and 
Documents folders with iCloud Drive. 
New! Documents and Desktop Folder Syncing
Sierra adds a new iCloud Drive feature where you can integrate your Desktop and 
Documents folders with iCloud Drive. 
You may want to keep it OFF until you’ve had time to consider it’s pros and 
cons— 
—
Have a read of the 'iCloud Drive FAQ'
<https://support.apple.com/en-au/HT201104 
<https://support.apple.com/en-au/HT201104>>

Use iCloud Drive to store documents, presentations, spreadsheets, PDFs, images, 
you name it, on Apple’s servers. Everything you save here is immediately synced 
and available on other compatible Apple devices you’ve set up.

That means you can work on a document on your iPad and then open it later on 
your Mac. In many cases, you can also work with it on the iCloud.com 
<https://www.icloud.com/> Web site.

Apple’s iCloud Drive stores your files in the cloud, making it easy to access 
them on any of your Apple devices (or a Windows PC)—so long as the device has a 
fast enough Internet connection. 

Drag files to and from the iCloud Drive folder in your Mac’s Finder, and iCloud 
Drive syncs them across your devices so they’re always up to date.
==
Re: Sierra ——— macOS Sierra 10.12:
I have been running macOS Sierra 10.12 successfully on both my MacBook Pro and 
MacBook Air, without any problems at all.
But - I did follow my normal safety ‘Prepare' before upgrading any major 
version of OS X.
I updated all applications that had Sierra updates, did CCC bootable backups / 
Time Machine as in my Post  to WAMUG members 23 Sept. 2016 at 8:15am - Subject: 
Sierra

Prepare to upgrade:
1. Make sure your computer can run Sierra.
2. BACKUP! - BACKUP!
3. Make sure key software is up to date, and remove clutter that could 
interfere with the upgrade. 
4. Decide which upgrade strategy is best for you
etc etc etc as per my previous post.

I really like Sierra it is a very good upgrade. One of features I find 
extremely useful is ‘Handoff’
"Use Handoff to move seamlessly between your Apple devices. For instance, say 
you start to write an email message on your Mac and then have to rush out the 
door for work. While you wait at the train station, you can finish composing 
the message on your iPhone. Or, say you start reading an article in Safari on 
your iPad and then want to finish on your iMac at the office. 
Handoff lets you pick up where you left off when using Calendar, Contacts, 
Keynote, Mail, Maps, Messages, Notes, Numbers, Pages, Reminders, Safari, and 
some third-party apps in Sierra and iOS 10”

Cheers,
Ronni

13-inch MacBook Air (April 2014)
1.7GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost to 3.3GHz
8GB 1600MHz LPDDR3 SDRAM
512GB PCIe-based Flash Storage

macOS Sierra 10.12

> On 29 Sep. 2016, at 1:18 pm, Graham Rabe <gra...@rabe.com.au> wrote:
> 
> I’ve upgraded to Sierra and all of my data in my previous “Documents” folder 
> previously on my hard drive (in Finder under Documents”) is now only 
> available in iCloud (where there is now a “Documents” folder). There is no 
> longer a “Documents” folder listed anywhere on my hard drive. 
> 
> I’ve gone to System Preferences - iCloud and see that I can change that 
> scenario (under Options). 
> 
> What I can’t figure out is that at the bottom of that Options box it states 
> that “The full contents of iCloud Drive will be stored on this Mac if you 
> have enough space. Older documents will be stored only in iCloud when space 
> is needed.”
> 
> I have more than enough space on my hard drive. 
> 
> In the Finder menu, when I select  “Go” for “Documents” - it shows the 
> documents in the iCloud section. 
> 
> My question is: where in Finder do I find all of my documents on my hard 
> drive? Where are they “stored”?
> 
> Any views/recommendations about allowing all documents to be stored only on 
> iCloud under this new regime would be appreciated. What and the hell happens 
> when iCloud bombs out/is hacked etc etc? And if I use this iCloud method of 
> saving all my data previously stored on the hard drive under the “Documents” 
> folder, what work is my local Time Machine able to do by way of backing up 
> (and/or other external drives that I use for backup backups for that matter). 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Graham Rabe 
> 
> iMac late 2012
> macOS Sierra 10.12



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Re: macOS Sierra - iCloud - "Documents" folder on hard drive

[Michael Hawkins]

Hello Graham,

I haven’t installed Sierra. 

I do not want to be forced to store or save things on anything other than my 
computer, I do not want my speed of access to documents to be governed by the 
number of people in my suburb who are on the internet, and I have no wish to be 
working with my head in the cloud…

Cheers,

Michael


> On 29 Sep 2016, at 4:02 PM, Graham Rabe <gra...@rabe.com.au> wrote:
> 
> I’m on a limitless plan with iinet. 
> 
> Have you upgraded to Sierra? If so - any problems?
> 
>> On 29 Sep. 2016, at 3:46 pm, Michael Hawkins 
>> <michael.hawk...@mjhawkins.com.au <mailto:michael.hawk...@mjhawkins.com.au>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> If you're constantly shuttling between keyboard and iCloud, you must have a 
>> large monthly limit!
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On 29 Sep. 2016, at 2:50 pm, Graham Rabe <gra...@rabe.com.au 
>> <mailto:gra...@rabe.com.au>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I use my credit card :)
>>>> On 29 Sep. 2016, at 2:09 pm, Michael Hawkins 
>>>> <michael.hawk...@mjhawkins.com.au 
>>>> <mailto:michael.hawk...@mjhawkins.com.au>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> And how do you fund your broadband connection?
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>> On 29 Sep. 2016, at 1:18 pm, Graham Rabe <gra...@rabe.com.au 
>>>> <mailto:gra...@rabe.com.au>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I’ve upgraded to Sierra and all of my data in my previous “Documents” 
>>>>> folder previously on my hard drive (in Finder under Documents”) is now 
>>>>> only available in iCloud (where there is now a “Documents” folder). There 
>>>>> is no longer a “Documents” folder listed anywhere on my hard drive. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I’ve gone to System Preferences - iCloud and see that I can change that 
>>>>> scenario (under Options). 
>>>>> 
>>>>> What I can’t figure out is that at the bottom of that Options box it 
>>>>> states that “The full contents of iCloud Drive will be stored on this Mac 
>>>>> if you have enough space. Older documents will be stored only in iCloud 
>>>>> when space is needed.”
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have more than enough space on my hard drive. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> In the Finder menu, when I select  “Go” for “Documents” - it shows the 
>>>>> documents in the iCloud section. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> My question is: where in Finder do I find all of my documents on my hard 
>>>>> drive? Where are they “stored”?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Any views/recommendations about allowing all documents to be stored only 
>>>>> on iCloud under this new regime would be appreciated. What and the hell 
>>>>> happens when iCloud bombs out/is hacked etc etc? And if I use this iCloud 
>>>>> method of saving all my data previously stored on the hard drive under 
>>>>> the “Documents” folder, what work is my local Time Machine able to do by 
>>>>> way of backing up (and/or other external drives that I use for backup 
>>>>> backups for that matter). 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Graham Rabe 
>>>>> 
>>>>> iMac late 2012
>>>>> macOS Sierra 10.12
>>>>> 
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Re: macOS Sierra - iCloud - "Documents" folder on hard drive

[Graham Rabe]

I’m on a limitless plan with iinet. 

Have you upgraded to Sierra? If so - any problems?

> On 29 Sep. 2016, at 3:46 pm, Michael Hawkins 
> <michael.hawk...@mjhawkins.com.au> wrote:
> 
> If you're constantly shuttling between keyboard and iCloud, you must have a 
> large monthly limit!
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 29 Sep. 2016, at 2:50 pm, Graham Rabe <gra...@rabe.com.au 
> <mailto:gra...@rabe.com.au>> wrote:
> 
>> I use my credit card :)
>>> On 29 Sep. 2016, at 2:09 pm, Michael Hawkins 
>>> <michael.hawk...@mjhawkins.com.au 
>>> <mailto:michael.hawk...@mjhawkins.com.au>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> And how do you fund your broadband connection?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On 29 Sep. 2016, at 1:18 pm, Graham Rabe <gra...@rabe.com.au 
>>> <mailto:gra...@rabe.com.au>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I’ve upgraded to Sierra and all of my data in my previous “Documents” 
>>>> folder previously on my hard drive (in Finder under Documents”) is now 
>>>> only available in iCloud (where there is now a “Documents” folder). There 
>>>> is no longer a “Documents” folder listed anywhere on my hard drive. 
>>>> 
>>>> I’ve gone to System Preferences - iCloud and see that I can change that 
>>>> scenario (under Options). 
>>>> 
>>>> What I can’t figure out is that at the bottom of that Options box it 
>>>> states that “The full contents of iCloud Drive will be stored on this Mac 
>>>> if you have enough space. Older documents will be stored only in iCloud 
>>>> when space is needed.”
>>>> 
>>>> I have more than enough space on my hard drive. 
>>>> 
>>>> In the Finder menu, when I select  “Go” for “Documents” - it shows the 
>>>> documents in the iCloud section. 
>>>> 
>>>> My question is: where in Finder do I find all of my documents on my hard 
>>>> drive? Where are they “stored”?
>>>> 
>>>> Any views/recommendations about allowing all documents to be stored only 
>>>> on iCloud under this new regime would be appreciated. What and the hell 
>>>> happens when iCloud bombs out/is hacked etc etc? And if I use this iCloud 
>>>> method of saving all my data previously stored on the hard drive under the 
>>>> “Documents” folder, what work is my local Time Machine able to do by way 
>>>> of backing up (and/or other external drives that I use for backup backups 
>>>> for that matter). 
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> 
>>>> Graham Rabe 
>>>> 
>>>> iMac late 2012
>>>> macOS Sierra 10.12
>>>> 
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Re: macOS Sierra - iCloud - "Documents" folder on hard drive

[Michael Hawkins]

If you're constantly shuttling between keyboard and iCloud, you must have a 
large monthly limit!

Sent from my iPhone

> On 29 Sep. 2016, at 2:50 pm, Graham Rabe <gra...@rabe.com.au> wrote:
> 
> I use my credit card :)
>> On 29 Sep. 2016, at 2:09 pm, Michael Hawkins 
>> <michael.hawk...@mjhawkins.com.au> wrote:
>> 
>> And how do you fund your broadband connection?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 29 Sep. 2016, at 1:18 pm, Graham Rabe <gra...@rabe.com.au> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I’ve upgraded to Sierra and all of my data in my previous “Documents” 
>>> folder previously on my hard drive (in Finder under Documents”) is now only 
>>> available in iCloud (where there is now a “Documents” folder). There is no 
>>> longer a “Documents” folder listed anywhere on my hard drive. 
>>> 
>>> I’ve gone to System Preferences - iCloud and see that I can change that 
>>> scenario (under Options). 
>>> 
>>> What I can’t figure out is that at the bottom of that Options box it states 
>>> that “The full contents of iCloud Drive will be stored on this Mac if you 
>>> have enough space. Older documents will be stored only in iCloud when space 
>>> is needed.”
>>> 
>>> I have more than enough space on my hard drive. 
>>> 
>>> In the Finder menu, when I select  “Go” for “Documents” - it shows the 
>>> documents in the iCloud section. 
>>> 
>>> My question is: where in Finder do I find all of my documents on my hard 
>>> drive? Where are they “stored”?
>>> 
>>> Any views/recommendations about allowing all documents to be stored only on 
>>> iCloud under this new regime would be appreciated. What and the hell 
>>> happens when iCloud bombs out/is hacked etc etc? And if I use this iCloud 
>>> method of saving all my data previously stored on the hard drive under the 
>>> “Documents” folder, what work is my local Time Machine able to do by way of 
>>> backing up (and/or other external drives that I use for backup backups for 
>>> that matter). 
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Graham Rabe 
>>> 
>>> iMac late 2012
>>> macOS Sierra 10.12
>>> 
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Re: macOS Sierra - iCloud - "Documents" folder on hard drive

[Graham Rabe]

I use my credit card :)
> On 29 Sep. 2016, at 2:09 pm, Michael Hawkins 
> <michael.hawk...@mjhawkins.com.au> wrote:
> 
> And how do you fund your broadband connection?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 29 Sep. 2016, at 1:18 pm, Graham Rabe <gra...@rabe.com.au 
> <mailto:gra...@rabe.com.au>> wrote:
> 
>> I’ve upgraded to Sierra and all of my data in my previous “Documents” folder 
>> previously on my hard drive (in Finder under Documents”) is now only 
>> available in iCloud (where there is now a “Documents” folder). There is no 
>> longer a “Documents” folder listed anywhere on my hard drive. 
>> 
>> I’ve gone to System Preferences - iCloud and see that I can change that 
>> scenario (under Options). 
>> 
>> What I can’t figure out is that at the bottom of that Options box it states 
>> that “The full contents of iCloud Drive will be stored on this Mac if you 
>> have enough space. Older documents will be stored only in iCloud when space 
>> is needed.”
>> 
>> I have more than enough space on my hard drive. 
>> 
>> In the Finder menu, when I select  “Go” for “Documents” - it shows the 
>> documents in the iCloud section. 
>> 
>> My question is: where in Finder do I find all of my documents on my hard 
>> drive? Where are they “stored”?
>> 
>> Any views/recommendations about allowing all documents to be stored only on 
>> iCloud under this new regime would be appreciated. What and the hell happens 
>> when iCloud bombs out/is hacked etc etc? And if I use this iCloud method of 
>> saving all my data previously stored on the hard drive under the “Documents” 
>> folder, what work is my local Time Machine able to do by way of backing up 
>> (and/or other external drives that I use for backup backups for that 
>> matter). 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Graham Rabe 
>> 
>> iMac late 2012
>> macOS Sierra 10.12
>> 
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Re: macOS Sierra - iCloud - "Documents" folder on hard drive

[Michael Hawkins]

And how do you fund your broadband connection?

Sent from my iPhone

> On 29 Sep. 2016, at 1:18 pm, Graham Rabe <gra...@rabe.com.au> wrote:
> 
> I’ve upgraded to Sierra and all of my data in my previous “Documents” folder 
> previously on my hard drive (in Finder under Documents”) is now only 
> available in iCloud (where there is now a “Documents” folder). There is no 
> longer a “Documents” folder listed anywhere on my hard drive. 
> 
> I’ve gone to System Preferences - iCloud and see that I can change that 
> scenario (under Options). 
> 
> What I can’t figure out is that at the bottom of that Options box it states 
> that “The full contents of iCloud Drive will be stored on this Mac if you 
> have enough space. Older documents will be stored only in iCloud when space 
> is needed.”
> 
> I have more than enough space on my hard drive. 
> 
> In the Finder menu, when I select  “Go” for “Documents” - it shows the 
> documents in the iCloud section. 
> 
> My question is: where in Finder do I find all of my documents on my hard 
> drive? Where are they “stored”?
> 
> Any views/recommendations about allowing all documents to be stored only on 
> iCloud under this new regime would be appreciated. What and the hell happens 
> when iCloud bombs out/is hacked etc etc? And if I use this iCloud method of 
> saving all my data previously stored on the hard drive under the “Documents” 
> folder, what work is my local Time Machine able to do by way of backing up 
> (and/or other external drives that I use for backup backups for that matter). 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Graham Rabe 
> 
> iMac late 2012
> macOS Sierra 10.12
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macOS Sierra - iCloud - "Documents" folder on hard drive

[Graham Rabe]

I’ve upgraded to Sierra and all of my data in my previous “Documents” folder 
previously on my hard drive (in Finder under Documents”) is now only available 
in iCloud (where there is now a “Documents” folder). There is no longer a 
“Documents” folder listed anywhere on my hard drive. 

I’ve gone to System Preferences - iCloud and see that I can change that 
scenario (under Options). 

What I can’t figure out is that at the bottom of that Options box it states 
that “The full contents of iCloud Drive will be stored on this Mac if you have 
enough space. Older documents will be stored only in iCloud when space is 
needed.”

I have more than enough space on my hard drive. 

In the Finder menu, when I select  “Go” for “Documents” - it shows the 
documents in the iCloud section. 

My question is: where in Finder do I find all of my documents on my hard drive? 
Where are they “stored”?

Any views/recommendations about allowing all documents to be stored only on 
iCloud under this new regime would be appreciated. What and the hell happens 
when iCloud bombs out/is hacked etc etc? And if I use this iCloud method of 
saving all my data previously stored on the hard drive under the “Documents” 
folder, what work is my local Time Machine able to do by way of backing up 
(and/or other external drives that I use for backup backups for that matter). 

Thanks,

Graham Rabe 

iMac late 2012
macOS Sierra 10.12

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Re: iPhone 7 Pre-orders Begin This Week, iOS 10 and macOS Sierra Available Shortly

[Ronda Brown]

Australia news 
IT’S the best iPhone we have ever created. This is iPhone 7”.
These were the words Apple CEO Tim Cook said to the crowd at the Bill Graham 
Civic Centre in San Francisco during the launch of the iPhone 7, iPhone 7 Plus 
and second generation Apple Watch.
iPHONE 7 AND iPHONE 7 PLUS
As expected, Apple has ditched the headphone jack on the new iPhone, a move 
vice president Phil Schiller attributed to “courage”.
“The courage to move on and do something new that betters all of us,” he said.
While this might sound like a drastic change, there is no need for panic as the 
removal of the headphone jack isn’t as horrendous as first expected.
The new devices will offer the ability to connect headphones via the Lightning 
port, with a new set of headphones shipping in every box.
Also included in the box will be an adaptor to connect your existing 3.5mm 
headphones to Lightning.
In addition to offering Lighting port headphones, Apple has announced AirPod 
wireless earbuds.

<http://www.news.com.au/technology/gadgets/mobile-phones/apple-launch-iphone-and-iphone-7-plus/news-story/946dd2a51a448404e0f87616fdd8db8e>

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> On 8 Sep 2016, at 6:09 AM, Ronda Brown <ro...@mac.com> wrote:
> 
> Apple today announced pricing and ship dates for the fall lineup of new 
> iPhone and Apple Watch models, along with a 13 September 2016 release date 
> for iOS 10 and watchOS 3. macOS Sierra will ship one week later, on 20 
> September 2016.
> 
> Apple will begin taking pre-orders for the new 4.7-inch iPhone 7 and 5.5-inch 
> iPhone 7 Pluson 9 September 2016, and the devices will be available on 16 
> September 2016.
> 
> <http://tidbits.com/article/16736>
> 
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iPhone 7 Pre-orders Begin This Week, iOS 10 and macOS Sierra Available Shortly

[Ronda Brown]

Apple today announced pricing and ship dates for the fall lineup of new iPhone 
and Apple Watch models, along with a 13 September 2016 release date for iOS 10 
and watchOS 3. macOS Sierra will ship one week later, on 20 September 2016.

Apple will begin taking pre-orders for the new 4.7-inch iPhone 7 and 5.5-inch 
iPhone 7 Pluson 9 September 2016, and the devices will be available on 16 
September 2016.

<http://tidbits.com/article/16736>


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Re: MacOS 10.7 (Lion) and colour calibration etc

[Rob Davies]

Morning,

Spyder 2 is definitely PPC only requires Rosetta, so SL being last OS X.
Spyder 3 is Intel based, reports suggest it works with Lion.
When, and if. I upgrade a machine later in week, will confirm?

Datacolor very fast at updating software if needs to be, I would suggest they 
have been testing with Lion, and have solution if needs to be??

Upgrading is relatively cheap as Spyder Pro 3 is around $200 AU or less if 
research.
I bought Studio SR for less than $500, when upgraded last year.

Datacolor have Spyder Gallery for iPad on Apps store for free. Just need the 
Spyder3 Calibrator.

Cheers!
`RobD...


On 23Jul2011, at 11:58 pm, Ray Forma wrote:

 
 Three PPC-only apps that I was afraid of losing if I should upgrade to MacOS 
 10.7 (Lion) were OmniPage, an optical character reader program, Barcode 
 Generator, a program that created barcodes when you typed in the barcode 
 number, and Spyder 2, the app that drives my screen colour-calibrator. I have 
 found that I can do without the first two, but Spyder 2 is still a problem.
 
 For OCR I will use VueScan 9.0.50, http://www.hamrick.com which I have used 
 versions of for scanning since August 2003. This powerful program has 
 suffered from a lack of a decent manual till last month, when 'The VueScan 
 Bible' by Sascha Steinhoff finally became available. This book finally 
 allowed me to work out how to get VueScan to do OCR, besides all of the 
 high-level scanning that I had been using. I can now scan documents to PDF, 
 and have editable text overlying the text in the scan, and I can get a Rich 
 Text Format file of the text in any scanned document. VueScan will also 
 extract editable text from existing images of documents. I am now using both 
 features to do any OCR that I have to do. so far I am very happy with the 
 results. The current version of VueScan is 64 as well as 32-bit Intel capable 
 and the Pro version is probably the best value for money app that I have ever 
 bought.
 
 For barcodes I have found several websites that will generate barcodes in 
 editable vector format for me free of charge. That solves the barcode problem.
 
 The remaining problem is Spyder 2. Does anyone know if there is a 
 Lion-compatible app that will allow me to continue using my Spyder 2 screen 
 colour-calibrator? If not I will have to fork out for a new screen 
 calibrator. Does anyone have any recommendations?
 
 Regards,
 
 Ray Forma
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MacOS 10.7 (Lion) and colour calibration etc

[Ray Forma]

Three PPC-only apps that I was afraid of losing if I should upgrade to MacOS 
10.7 (Lion) were OmniPage, an optical character reader program, Barcode 
Generator, a program that created barcodes when you typed in the barcode 
number, and Spyder 2, the app that drives my screen colour-calibrator. I have 
found that I can do without the first two, but Spyder 2 is still a problem.

For OCR I will use VueScan 9.0.50, http://www.hamrick.com which I have used 
versions of for scanning since August 2003. This powerful program has suffered 
from a lack of a decent manual till last month, when 'The VueScan Bible' by 
Sascha Steinhoff finally became available. This book finally allowed me to work 
out how to get VueScan to do OCR, besides all of the high-level scanning that I 
had been using. I can now scan documents to PDF, and have editable text 
overlying the text in the scan, and I can get a Rich Text Format file of the 
text in any scanned document. VueScan will also extract editable text from 
existing images of documents. I am now using both features to do any OCR that I 
have to do. so far I am very happy with the results. The current version of 
VueScan is 64 as well as 32-bit Intel capable and the Pro version is probably 
the best value for money app that I have ever bought.

For barcodes I have found several websites that will generate barcodes in 
editable vector format for me free of charge. That solves the barcode problem.

The remaining problem is Spyder 2. Does anyone know if there is a 
Lion-compatible app that will allow me to continue using my Spyder 2 screen 
colour-calibrator? If not I will have to fork out for a new screen calibrator. 
Does anyone have any recommendations?

Regards,

Ray Forma
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Re: MacOS 10.7 (Lion) and colour calibration etc

[cm]

Hi Ray,

Are you running Windows in a virtual machine such as Paralles or VMWare, or as 
an alternate boot system using BootCamp? If so, this article may be of interest 
to you:

http://blog.pinkbluephotography.com/2011/07/22/using-spyder-2-for-mac-os-10-7-lion/

If not you can only hope that Spyder updates their drivers to run on Lion. 
Their new products will have to run on Lion so they may backport the drivers to 
the legacy products.

Cheers,
Carlo


On 2011-07-23, at 23:58, Ray Forma wrote:

 
 Three PPC-only apps that I was afraid of losing if I should upgrade to MacOS 
 10.7 (Lion) were OmniPage, an optical character reader program, Barcode 
 Generator, a program that created barcodes when you typed in the barcode 
 number, and Spyder 2, the app that drives my screen colour-calibrator. I have 
 found that I can do without the first two, but Spyder 2 is still a problem.
 
 For OCR I will use VueScan 9.0.50, http://www.hamrick.com which I have used 
 versions of for scanning since August 2003. This powerful program has 
 suffered from a lack of a decent manual till last month, when 'The VueScan 
 Bible' by Sascha Steinhoff finally became available. This book finally 
 allowed me to work out how to get VueScan to do OCR, besides all of the 
 high-level scanning that I had been using. I can now scan documents to PDF, 
 and have editable text overlying the text in the scan, and I can get a Rich 
 Text Format file of the text in any scanned document. VueScan will also 
 extract editable text from existing images of documents. I am now using both 
 features to do any OCR that I have to do. so far I am very happy with the 
 results. The current version of VueScan is 64 as well as 32-bit Intel capable 
 and the Pro version is probably the best value for money app that I have ever 
 bought.
 
 For barcodes I have found several websites that will generate barcodes in 
 editable vector format for me free of charge. That solves the barcode problem.
 
 The remaining problem is Spyder 2. Does anyone know if there is a 
 Lion-compatible app that will allow me to continue using my Spyder 2 screen 
 colour-calibrator? If not I will have to fork out for a new screen 
 calibrator. Does anyone have any recommendations?
 
 Regards,
 
 Ray Forma
 Mob +61 (0) 428 596938
 
 
 
 
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Re: MacOS 10.6 and appletalk printer

[Ray Forma]

To help other users of MacOS 10.6 and later I report on the solution to my 
problem of MacOS 10.6 no longer having the ability to talk AppleTalk to old but 
trusty laser printers. Many thanks to Geoffrey Thomlinson, David Noel, and 
Ronda Brown for steering me in the right direction.

1  I bought the recommended HP LaserDirect 300X print server via eBay from an 
Adelaide supplier, and connected it to my Ethernet network, and to the printer 
via a parallel cable. Found that the print server was made in 1998.

2  Downloaded the manuals for the print server from the HP website.

3  From the installation manual found out how to reset all of the print 
server's settings. The procedure: While holding down the Test button on the 
print server, plug the power module into the print server and continue to hold 
down the Test button for five seconds. All previous configuration settings are 
erased.

4  From the Administrator's Guide found out that the print server generates an 
IP address of 192.0.0.192 two minutes after a reset.

5  Used System Preference/ Print and Fax to set up a HP jetdirect - Socket 
protocol printer with IP address 192.0.0.192 and HP Laserjet 6MP - Gutenprint v 
5.2.3 print driver.

6 Printed a page with images and it worked!

7  Switched off DHCP and set a fixed IP address in the print server, using 
terminal and several arcane instructions as per the Administrator's guide. This 
was recommended to stop the print server from automatically changing IP 
address. Installed a new printer with the relevant IP address. Tried a test 
print. Printer not found. #%*#!

8  Once again reset the print driver, waited two minutes, and used my original 
printer setting. Printing is fine once again. Have switched off and on both 
computer and print driver several times since, and found no DHCP problems. 
Moral of the story; don't bother with step 7 despite what several websites 
advise.

9  You may be interested to know that other computers on my network that use 
MacOS 10.5 and lower are still happily printing to the printer through the new 
print server, using their old AppleTalk settings. No changes needed at any time.

10  After all that I hope that my trusty HP LaserJet 6MP and the print server 
last for another 10 years.

Regards,

Ray Forma
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Re: MacOS 10.6 and appletalk printer

[David Noel]

Hi Ray --

-- Thanks very much for all the work you put into this, and congratulations
on your final victory! I'm in China at the moment, but I'll certainly try to
emulate your success when I'm back home next month.

Cheers --

David Noel
2010 Oct 26

==

On 26 October 2010 19:13, Ray Forma r...@smartchat.net.au wrote:


 To help other users of MacOS 10.6 and later I report on the solution to my
 problem of MacOS 10.6 no longer having the ability to talk AppleTalk to old
 but trusty laser printers. Many thanks to Geoffrey Thomlinson, David Noel,
 and Ronda Brown for steering me in the right direction.

 1  I bought the recommended HP LaserDirect 300X print server via eBay from
 an Adelaide supplier, and connected it to my Ethernet network, and to the
 printer via a parallel cable. Found that the print server was made in 1998.

 2  Downloaded the manuals for the print server from the HP website.

 3  From the installation manual found out how to reset all of the print
 server's settings. The procedure: While holding down the Test button on the
 print server, plug the power module into the print server and continue to
 hold down the Test button for five seconds. All previous configuration
 settings are erased.

 4  From the Administrator's Guide found out that the print server generates
 an IP address of 192.0.0.192 two minutes after a reset.

 5  Used System Preference/ Print and Fax to set up a HP jetdirect - Socket
 protocol printer with IP address 192.0.0.192 and HP Laserjet 6MP -
 Gutenprint v 5.2.3 print driver.

 6 Printed a page with images and it worked!

 7  Switched off DHCP and set a fixed IP address in the print server, using
 terminal and several arcane instructions as per the Administrator's guide.
 This was recommended to stop the print server from automatically changing IP
 address. Installed a new printer with the relevant IP address. Tried a test
 print. Printer not found. #%*#!

 8  Once again reset the print driver, waited two minutes, and used my
 original printer setting. Printing is fine once again. Have switched off and
 on both computer and print driver several times since, and found no DHCP
 problems. Moral of the story; don't bother with step 7 despite what several
 websites advise.

 9  You may be interested to know that other computers on my network that
 use MacOS 10.5 and lower are still happily printing to the printer through
 the new print server, using their old AppleTalk settings. No changes needed
 at any time.

 10  After all that I hope that my trusty HP LaserJet 6MP and the print
 server last for another 10 years.

 Regards,

 Ray Forma
 Tel +61 (0)8 9335 6568
 Mob +61 (0) 428 596938




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MacOS 10.6 and appletalk printer

[Ray Forma]

I have a trusty old HP LaserJet 6MP, which is a Postscript laser printer that 
has an Appletalk port, as well as a parallel port. I have connected it to my 
Ethernet network via an Ethernet-Parallel converter box. This has worked well 
with all types of Mac running everything from System 9 to MacOS 10.5 connected 
to the Ethernet network.

I now have a new Mac that runs under MacOS 10.6.4 (Snow Leopard). MacOS 10.6 
apparently no longer supports Appletalk, so Print  Fax in System Preferences 
no longer 'sees' my trusty old Appletalk laser printer.

Does anyone have any ideas about how I can connect to my laser under MacOS 10.6?

Regards,

Ray Forma
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Re: MacOS 10.6 and appletalk printer

[Ronda Brown]

On 21/09/2010, at 11:07 PM, Ray Forma wrote:

 
 I have a trusty old HP LaserJet 6MP, which is a Postscript laser printer that 
 has an Appletalk port, as well as a parallel port. I have connected it to my 
 Ethernet network via an Ethernet-Parallel converter box. This has worked well 
 with all types of Mac running everything from System 9 to MacOS 10.5 
 connected to the Ethernet network.
 
 I now have a new Mac that runs under MacOS 10.6.4 (Snow Leopard). MacOS 10.6 
 apparently no longer supports Appletalk, so Print  Fax in System Preferences 
 no longer 'sees' my trusty old Appletalk laser printer.
 
 Does anyone have any ideas about how I can connect to my laser under MacOS 
 10.6?

Hi Ray,

You might be able to set it up to print by IP Address. Have a read here:
How-To: Resurrect Your AppleTalk Printer in Snow Leopard

http://theappleblog.com/2009/09/04/how-to-resurrect-your-appletalk-printer-in-snow-leopard/

Might find some help or solution here:
http://forums13.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/bizsupport/questionanswer.do?admit=109447627+1270698145195+28353475threadId=1368576


Cheers,
Ronni

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Re: MacOS 10.6 and appletalk printer

[David Noel]

Hi Ray --

-- I have a similar problem with an HP 5MP laser printer which I've
been working on for many months (years?). I haven't fixed it yet, but
have a concept for doing so.

-- Where the data connection goes into the back of the printer, if you
take off the lid you should see 3 connectors, one of which is the
Appletalk connector, which does not work with Snow Leopard. Of the
other 2 connectors, one is (if I remember rightly) an RS232 connector
like those used on external devices in the old Mac days.

-- The concept is to connect this connector directly to the SL Mac and
run the printer as a private printer for this computer alone. I am
sure this will work as, again in the old days, I've printed on the HP
using a Windows machine through this link.

-- This worked even without disconnecting the Appletalk port, so the
printer would receive inputs from either the Appletalk/Ethernet
network or the direct connection (we never tried mixing inputs
simultaneously) and print correctly.

-- I currently have a newer Snow Leopard iMac and an older iMac on
Leopard, both linked through my Belkin router. If I really need to use
the HP printer I can generate a file on the newer machine, transfer it
to the older one, and print from that. Generally I just use a Canon
Pixma inkjet attached to the new machine.

-- Below are references to my pursuit of a suitable connector. I did
get a Volktek NWT-701 Ethernet Twisted-pair Transceiver, which had a
small-size RS232 male connector on one end and an Ethernet connector
on the other, but could not find the right connectors among my
junkpile to actually make the link through from new iMac to HP
printer.

-- You are welcome to borrow this transceiver to try it. I'd certainly
be interested if if you get a successful link.

-- I've tried all sorts of software variations along the lines
suggested by Ronni, but never succeeded with any of them.

Cheers --

David Noel
2010 Sep 22

- - - - - - - -
1)
David Noel
 to WAMUG

Hi Gang --

-- My Hewlett-Packard MP3 laser printer has 3 types of connector at
the back. One is an Appletalk connector, which I have been using with
an EtherMac iPrint adapter to Ethernet, but no longer works under Snow
Leopard, as Appletalk is not supported.

-- The other 2 are rectangular multipin connectors, which look as in
the photos at

http://www.aoi.com.au/HPConnect

I thought these were RS232 connectors, but that doesn't appear to be the case.

-- Can anyone tell me if I can get a cable which would connect either
of these ports to an Ethernet socket on my router?

Cheers --

David Noel
2009 Dec 29

- - - - - -
2)
The first image appears to be a Centronics Parallel connector and
there are a few Parallel-Ethernet adaptors on the market,
particularly ebay that you can use... see the above story for
recommendations

The other appears to be a AUI Ethernet interface (an old style
ethernet connection) and you should be able to pick up a AUI to RJ45
adaptors for around $20... if you can find one

--
Nicholas Pyers (nicho...@appleusers.org)
Founder  Publisher, AppleUsers.org

http://www.appleusers.org/

- - - - - -
3)
Hi Benedict --

-- Would you be able to source either or both of the AUI Ethernet
interface (an old style ethernet connection) and a AUI to RJ45
adaptor for me?
- - - - -
4)
For the second one, is this what you're looking for?
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/VOLTEK-AUI-TO-RJ45-TWISTED-PAIR-TRANSCEIVER-NEW_W0QQitemZ220373679412QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_Computers_Networking_Accessories?hash=item334f4b7d34

Having a bit more trouble with the AUI Ethernet cable, is this it?
http://www.coolice.com.au/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=2384utm_source=getpriceutm_medium=cpc

===



On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 11:07 PM, Ray Forma r...@smartchat.net.au wrote:

 I have a trusty old HP LaserJet 6MP, which is a Postscript laser printer that 
 has an Appletalk port, as well as a parallel port. I have connected it to my 
 Ethernet network via an Ethernet-Parallel converter box. This has worked well 
 with all types of Mac running everything from System 9 to MacOS 10.5 
 connected to the Ethernet network.

 I now have a new Mac that runs under MacOS 10.6.4 (Snow Leopard). MacOS 10.6 
 apparently no longer supports Appletalk, so Print  Fax in System Preferences 
 no longer 'sees' my trusty old Appletalk laser printer.

 Does anyone have any ideas about how I can connect to my laser under MacOS 
 10.6?

 Regards,

 Ray Forma
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Re: MacOS 10.6 and appletalk printer

[Ronda Brown]

On 21/09/2010, at 11:07 PM, Ray Forma wrote:

 
 I have a trusty old HP LaserJet 6MP, which is a Postscript laser printer that 
 has an Appletalk port, as well as a parallel port. I have connected it to my 
 Ethernet network via an Ethernet-Parallel converter box. This has worked well 
 with all types of Mac running everything from System 9 to MacOS 10.5 
 connected to the Ethernet network.
 
 I now have a new Mac that runs under MacOS 10.6.4 (Snow Leopard). MacOS 10.6 
 apparently no longer supports Appletalk, so Print  Fax in System Preferences 
 no longer 'sees' my trusty old Appletalk laser printer.
 
 Does anyone have any ideas about how I can connect to my laser under MacOS 
 10.6?


Hi Ray,

On Apple Discussions, these people have had success getting printing from HP 
LaserJet 6MP  5MP to work in Snow Leopard.

http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=2513085start=0tstart=0

TripleChime:
I forgot to mention that the HP JetDirect 300X would need a PC-type parallel 
printer cable to connect it to you printer. My HP 5MP printer has connectors 
for both the 25-pin IEEE 1284C and the larger 36-pin IEEE 1284B cable ends, 
while the JetDirect 300X has a 25-pin connector, so you can use either a 25-pin 
to 25-pin cable or a 25-pin to 30-pin cable if the HP 6MP is the same. My 
quiet, efficient 5MP still is the most-used printer in the house after 15-1/2 
years even though I have two recent (but very power hungry and noisy!) laser 
printers. Do not give yours up for a cheap new laser printer that will quite 
literally make dogs growl and bark with all the racket! 

http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=12182107#12182107
sig:
You need to set up the printer using HP Jetdirect Socket. By printing out a 
test print from the 300x you can find out the assigned IP address given by your 
router and then use that to set up the printer. Worked for me using a LaserJet 
4MP. 

greg sahli
sig was talking about the protocol choice in Print  Fax - IP  HP Jetdirect.
Try that. (don't use the queue name with Jetdirect protocol - leave blank.)
Its good to see both driver choices. You can also try generic postscript and 
generic PCL5/6. 


Cheers,
Ronni

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macos space calculations

[Hugh Griffiths]

i have an Ibook G4, running 10.4.10, when I do an apple-i on the HD icon it 
tells me that it is 53.84 GB used on 55.76 GB with 1.92 GB free.

When i go to finder and view the HD as a list of folders with all sizes 
calculated the folders only add up to 15.315 GB, where is the rest of the data?

I want to clean it up



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Re: macos space calculations

[Robert Howells]

On 28/06/2007, at 2:19 PM, Hugh Griffiths wrote:

i have an Ibook G4, running 10.4.10, when I do an apple-i on the HD  
icon it tells me that it is 53.84 GB used on 55.76 GB with 1.92 GB  
free.


When i go to finder and view the HD as a list of folders with all  
sizes calculated the folders only add up to 15.315 GB, where is the  
rest of the data?


I want to clean it up



Have you emptied the Trash ?

Try running a clean up program  like Cocktail or Yasu


Bob

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Re: macos space calculations

[Hugh Griffiths]

Trash certainly helped, my son had 10GB in his trash can that brings it
down to 47GB used, but the finder still says 15.3GB, are Cocktail or
Yasu freeware?

Best Regards 
Hugh Griffiths 


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On 28/06/2007, at 2:19 PM, Hugh Griffiths wrote:

 i have an Ibook G4, running 10.4.10, when I do an apple-i on the HD  
 icon it tells me that it is 53.84 GB used on 55.76 GB with 1.92 GB  
 free.

 When i go to finder and view the HD as a list of folders with all  
 sizes calculated the folders only add up to 15.315 GB, where is the  
 rest of the data?

 I want to clean it up


Have you emptied the Trash ?

Try running a clean up program  like Cocktail or Yasu


Bob

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Re: macos space calculations

[Robert Howells]

On 28/06/2007, at 3:23 PM, Hugh Griffiths wrote:

Trash certainly helped, my son had 10GB in his trash can that  
brings it

down to 47GB used, but the finder still says 15.3GB, are Cocktail or
Yasu freeware?

Best Regards
Hugh Griffiths



At least one of them would be shareware

Use google to find them

Bob

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Re: macos space calculations

[Geoff Richards]

there is a program on version tracker called  wheresthefreespace
30day trial

-geoff


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Re: macos space calculations

[Ronda Brown]

On 28/06/2007, at 2:19 PM, Hugh Griffiths wrote:

i have an Ibook G4, running 10.4.10, when I do an apple-i on the HD  
icon it tells me that it is 53.84 GB used on 55.76 GB with 1.92 GB  
free.


When i go to finder and view the HD as a list of folders with all  
sizes calculated the folders only add up to 15.315 GB, where is the  
rest of the data?


I want to clean it up


Hi Hugh,

The X Lab explains well in this article:
http://www.thexlab.com/faqs/freeingspace.html

I need to do this again, my 120GB HD only has 30GB free and I have  
Three External (320GB, 250GB, 250GB)  firewire Drives full of stuff!!!


Cheers,
Ronni 


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Re: macos space calculations

[Shay Telfer]

i have an Ibook G4, running 10.4.10, when I do an apple-i on the HD 
icon it tells me that it is 53.84 GB used on 55.76 GB with 1.92 GB 
free.


When i go to finder and view the HD as a list of folders with all 
sizes calculated the folders only add up to 15.315 GB, where is the 
rest of the data?


I want to clean it up


Assuming you've already emptied the trash, you could try Disk Surveyor X

http://www.derlien.com/

Have fun,
Shay
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Re: macos space calculations

[Hugh Griffiths]

Ronni, thanks that was spot on, I do like being able to crash around
inside MacOS using sudo!!

Best Regards 
Hugh Griffiths 


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Subject: Re: macos space calculations


On 28/06/2007, at 2:19 PM, Hugh Griffiths wrote:

 i have an Ibook G4, running 10.4.10, when I do an apple-i on the HD  
 icon it tells me that it is 53.84 GB used on 55.76 GB with 1.92 GB  
 free.

 When i go to finder and view the HD as a list of folders with all  
 sizes calculated the folders only add up to 15.315 GB, where is the  
 rest of the data?

 I want to clean it up

Hi Hugh,

The X Lab explains well in this article:
http://www.thexlab.com/faqs/freeingspace.html

I need to do this again, my 120GB HD only has 30GB free and I have  
Three External (320GB, 250GB, 250GB)  firewire Drives full of stuff!!!

Cheers,
Ronni 

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43 flaws fixed in MacOS

[Eugene]

Hi all,

for your info Apple has released a whole swag of updates to fix  
problems. Includes QuickTime, Front Row, iDVD, iWeb Iphoto, iMovie  
and Security. Over 200mb in all!


More info http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1961642,00.asp? 
kc=ewnws051506dtx1k599


  Regards,
  Eugene

Re: MacOS malware

[Mark Secker]

but notice the under 30 minutes one was for users who already had 
local non admin accounts on the target machine with attacks launched 
via ssh terminal sessions on a mac OSX server.
the successful attacker found a way to escalate their account 
privileges up from a standard (non admin) user to admin privileges 
(or at least privileges high enough to get write access in to the web 
sites directory. These sort of loopholes and backdoors have been 
found in all multi user systems and should not be a major chore to 
fix.


most desktop users would not have enabled SSH sharing anyway (which 
is off by default) so 99.99% non OSX Server macs should be totally 
immune to said attack  .


This is obviously a security issue but an issue only with malicious 
current users or hacks by outsiders who use dictionary attacks when 
you have admins who allow users to have use non secure passwords 
(like Password Monday) and simple user ID's (like bob, john 
Jane) - this   approach being a time intensive  script bassed raw 
force  attack launched from a single (or a number of zombie bots) 
should generate enough alarm bells about excessive log in attempts 
from certain narrow range of  IP addresses in the servers log 
transcripts to notify the administrator/owner worth their pay/salt to 
notice them.


the mac server in the second challenge, without local SSH user 
privileges, has as  at time of the articles publication, yet to be to 
be compromised beyond being bombed off line by a denial-of-service 
attack - something that in most secured sites would be prevented by 
routers and firewalls running to a null address any  attack once 
suspicious activity is detected (though this of course has the same 
effect to legit users outside of the secure perimeter of making the 
machine appear to be offline). 



Interesting article Mac OS X hacked in under 30 minutes and 
Another Mac OS X hack challenge launched.


http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/security/
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MacOS malware

[Ray Forma]

Interesting article Mac OS X hacked in under 30 minutes and Another Mac OS X 
hack challenge launched.

http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/security/
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Re: MacOS malware

[Shay Telfer]

On 08/03/2006, at 9:04 PM, Ray Forma wrote:
Interesting article Mac OS X hacked in under 30 minutes and 
Another Mac OS X hack challenge launched.


http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/security/



The remote attacks were unsuccessful

http://test.doit.wisc.edu/

Have fun,
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MacOS

[Ken Woods]

Hi all,

I have been hearing, and seeing, a lot of stuff regarding MacOS 10.5
(leopard).  Has anyone else seen references to this.  Seems strange to have
another major update so soon after Tiger, so I suspect it is nothing but
bland empty reporting.

Comments anyone...

Ken

Re: MacOS

[Rob Findlay]

On 15/9/05 3:55 PM, Ken Woods [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi all,
 
 I have been hearing, and seeing, a lot of stuff regarding MacOS 10.5
 (leopard).  Has anyone else seen references to this.  Seems strange to have
 another major update so soon after Tiger, so I suspect it is nothing but
 bland empty reporting.
 
 Comments anyone...

From wikepedia.org

Mac OS X v10.5 Leopard
Mac OS X v10.5 Leopard was announced at the Worldwide Developers
Conference on June 6, 2005, due to be released at the end of 2006 or early
2007, roughly around the same time Microsoft would release Windows Vista
(formerly known by the code-name Longhorn). Apple has said that it will
support both PowerPC- and Intel x86-based Macintosh computers.
[edit]


Everything else turned up by a quick Google search looks like rumours and
inudendo.

Cheers
Rob

Re: MacOS

[Rod Lavington]

 
On Thursday, September 15, 2005, at 03:54PM, Ken Woods [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

Hi all,

I have been hearing, and seeing, a lot of stuff regarding MacOS 10.5
(leopard).  Has anyone else seen references to this.  Seems strange to have
another major update so soon after Tiger, so I suspect it is nothing but
bland empty reporting.

Comments anyone...

Ken

Hi Ken,

10.5 is the Intel/PowerPC version of OS X that is due at the end of next year 
(about the same time as Windows Vista).  Steve made an announcement of this 
when he told the world of the switch to Intel.  There will be more info I 
figure around Macworld SanFran and definitely at WWDC 2006.

Seeya

Rod!

ISDN fouled by MacOS 10.4.2

[Vladimir James]

Telstra already recognise this as a widespread problem. They offer  
the Apple support # 133622, extension Tier 2 Australia. This offered  
some hope, but when I rang, I was given a rundown on working hours  
and told they were closed. Looks like a long weekend wait ahead.


Background: After installing the MacOS 10.4.2 Update, I couldn't  
connect by ISDN. I tried the MacOS 10.4.2 Combo, but the result was  
the same for my G4/800.


Vlad James

MacOS 10.4.2 and ISDN

[Vladimir James]

This message from Apple Discussions pretty well sums up the  
predicament for ISDN users who have (like me) or might upgrade to  
MacOS 10.4.2.


Happy days,
Vlad James



Telstra ISDN NT1 Plus II Modem (Australia) and OS 10.4.2

This is a warning for all people (in Australia) who use the Telstra  
ISDN service and use an Open Networks NT1 Plus II Modem (USB  
connection).


The drivers that enable this modem are supplied by Telstra using an  
installation disc which utilises an installation wizard.


If you upgrade from 10.4.1 to 10.4.2 (using the combined update  
downloaded from the Apple Website):


1. The Install Wizard will no longer function.

2. Even if you install the modem scripts correctly (by dragging them  
from the Modem Scripts folder on the installation disc to the Modem  
Scripts folder in Systm/Library) an inability to connect due to a  
modem error will occur because 10.4.2 does not support the modem  
scripts supplied by Telstra.


I contacted Telstra about this, and they acknowledged that this  
problem was associated with the 10.4.2 update. They said that their  
level 3 technicians were working with Open Networks to provide a  
solution. No timeline on this as yet.


Telstra then instructed me to contact Apple Support to register this  
issue and to talk with a level 2 technician. I was subsequently  
informed that, because these are third party modem drivers, Apple  
doesn't, and never has, offered support for this ISDN system.


I have notified Teltra of Apple's response to this and put in an  
official complaint (against Telstra). Telstra has indicated that they  
will attempt to engineer a solution.


In the meantime, using Archive and Install, I have downgraded my OS  
to 10.4, then updated it to 10.4.1 (and subsequently regained full  
functionality of this connection).


Bottom line: The present Telstra ISDN service in Australia is not  
presently supported by OS 10.4.2, do not upgrade to this operating  
system if you wish retain connectivity. If you have already upgraded  
to 10.4.2, you will have to downgrade to 10.4.1. to regain connectivity.


Once I have resolved this issue for myself, I will submit a posting  
to that effect.


Cheers!

Karl

MacOS 10.4.2 quirks?

[Vladimir James]

Update to my previous msg.

Used Software Update to install OS 10.4.2 on my G4/800. Thereafter, I  
couldn't connect using ISDN. My internet settings seemed to be  
altered by the update. The Connection Log stated that my Connect  
script failed. After much fiddling with the Network connections,  
including re-setting the PPP options and re-starting the NT1 Plus  
modem, I was able to connect. However, I could only connect on the  
line for vocal traffic, which is slower and you get knocked off every  
time you receive a phone call. No good. The data line is still  
inaccessible.


MacFixit reports some users experienced connectivity problems,  
especially with Airport/Wireless setups after OS 10.4.2 updates.


I'm at the point where I will have to ring Telstra for support. This  
is the only hassle I've had with Tiger.


Anyone have any suggestions?

Vlad James

Re: MacOS 10.4.2 quirks?

[matt]

Hi Vlad,

I'm just installing an Airport update (4.2) which appears to have  
just been released.  Perhaps try installing that.


Cheers, Matt.



On 15/07/2005, at 9:16 AM, Vladimir James wrote:



Update to my previous msg.

Used Software Update to install OS 10.4.2 on my G4/800. Thereafter,  
I couldn't connect using ISDN. My internet settings seemed to be  
altered by the update. The Connection Log stated that my Connect  
script failed. After much fiddling with the Network connections,  
including re-setting the PPP options and re-starting the NT1 Plus  
modem, I was able to connect. However, I could only connect on the  
line for vocal traffic, which is slower and you get knocked off  
every time you receive a phone call. No good. The data line is  
still inaccessible.


MacFixit reports some users experienced connectivity problems,  
especially with Airport/Wireless setups after OS 10.4.2 updates.


I'm at the point where I will have to ring Telstra for support.  
This is the only hassle I've had with Tiger.


Anyone have any suggestions?

Vlad James




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