debugging output

2013-01-31 Thread Les Irvin
I just recently moved to a dedicated server after years of slumming in a shared environment. Relatively painless so far except for the debugging stuff. I'm used to the "Error Executing Database Query.You have an error in your SQL syntax...blah blah" type messages coming up on errors, but now all

RE: Log question

2013-01-31 Thread Eric Roberts
I expected it to delete it but it would recreate the log if there was another exception...which is what it didn't do. I am wondering if there is an xml file somewhere that has a list of the log files... -Original Message- From: Russ Michaels [mailto:r...@michaels.me.uk] Sent: Thursday,

RE: Log question

2013-01-31 Thread Eric Roberts
Exactly...this is on a dev machine...I was trying to fix a way to fix what I did without having to reinstall...which wasn't that big of a deal anyway. Installing CF is pretty mindless. There is a new "Jakarta" directory you haveto add to a new site, but other than that, set isn't any more difficu

RE: Log question

2013-01-31 Thread Russ Michaels
As stated by both me and adam more than once, this is not normal behaviour, the log is normally created automatically when error occurs, there is something wrong with your install or no exceptions occurred. Delete button does exactly what mos folks expect it to do, in even warns you after you clic

Re: Log question

2013-01-31 Thread Raymond Camden
On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 1:59 PM, Adam Cameron < adamcameroncoldfus...@gmail.com> wrote: > Ray (I presume you're reading)... this thread has good cross-over potential > to that other thread I was commenting on earlier, as to why it's better to > have specialist staff looking after the servers rath

RE: Log question

2013-01-31 Thread Eric Roberts
The exception log had a delete button (icon) that completely deleted the log and stopped cf from recording exceptions in a log file. -Original Message- From: Andrew Scott [mailto:andr...@andyscott.id.au] Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 12:29 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Log question No

RE: Log question

2013-01-31 Thread Eric Roberts
Deleting it destroys it completely rather than clearing the log as I expected it to. I had an ongoing exception that wasn't causing the log to be recreated after I hit delete. The nav is straight forward, but it isn't very friendly. When the log starts with the first entry rather than the newes

Re: Log question

2013-01-31 Thread Adam Cameron
Ah, Russ... your response was pretty much the same as what I was gonna say. The Admin UI is fine if one pays attention (like to the messages going "Are you sure you want to delete this log file?", that pop up when one opts to delete it). And I dunno how much more clear a red circle with an X on i

Re: Source control in CF

2013-01-31 Thread Dave Watts
> And how's that exception log you accidentally deleted going, Eric? http://instantrimshot.com/ Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber ve

Re: Source control in CF

2013-01-31 Thread Adam Cameron
And how's that exception log you accidentally deleted going, Eric? (sorry ;-) -- Adam On 31 January 2013 17:56, Eric Roberts wrote: > > I was going to echo what Raymond and Andrew said as well. Every place I > have worked at had given developers admin rights to their box with the > caveat th

Re: Log question

2013-01-31 Thread Andrew Scott
No what I was referring to is that the logs can be manually deleted, by just stopping ColdFusion, and then when ColdFusion is started again all logs will be recreated. You are not very clear on what your problem is, most of the logs can't be deleted from the Admin, because the logs are constantly

Re: Log question

2013-01-31 Thread Russ Michaels
personally I find the cfadmin and navigation quite straight forward. On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 5:55 PM, Eric Roberts < ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: > > apparently, there is no way to clear the logs so you don't have > to skip over many months of log entries to get where you want (which

RE: Source control in CF

2013-01-31 Thread Eric Roberts
I was going to echo what Raymond and Andrew said as well. Every place I have worked at had given developers admin rights to their box with the caveat that we are on our own ;-) Eric -Original Message- From: Andrew Scott [mailto:andr...@andyscott.id.au] Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013

RE: Log question

2013-01-31 Thread Eric Roberts
It was deleted via the cf admin interface, so I don't think undelete would have helped. I do wish Adobe would update the log interface to make it more useful. It hasn't changed much at all since at least 4.5. The navigation sucks and, apparently, there is no way to clear the logs so you don't h

Re: CFFile Question

2013-01-31 Thread Nathan Strutz
You can specify the local file name of the uploaded file as it is uploaded, through the cffile tag's destination="" attribute. It's like this: Good security dictates first that uploaded files should never go in the web root (even though I'm doing that here), and also that they do not keep the s

Re: CFFile Question

2013-01-31 Thread John M Bliss
http://cflib.org/udf/filterFilename On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 10:12 AM, Robert Harrison < rob...@austin-williams.com> wrote: > > Before I go nuts trying to write a fix for this, I'm hoping maybe someone > will know of a simple solution. Seems like it should be simple. > > I use CFFILE to allow us

CFFile Question

2013-01-31 Thread Robert Harrison
Before I go nuts trying to write a fix for this, I'm hoping maybe someone will know of a simple solution. Seems like it should be simple. I use CFFILE to allow user to upload files to our extranet. Our server is windows based, so it does not support all of the file characters supported on the

Re: Source control in CF

2013-01-31 Thread Billy Cravens
To build on this idea, look at Vagrant. It allows your IT department (or whoever's responsible) to maintain a script that loads a VM, necessary assets, and code. I've written a Vagrant script for Railo: https://github.com/bdcravens/railo-vagrant Here's a Chef recipe Nathan Mische wrote for CF1

Re: Source control in CF

2013-01-31 Thread Cameron Childress
On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 5:51 PM, Michael Christensen wrote: > For us at least, running on a shared codebase with 1 development server > and all code available via a webpath (usually mounted as a drive for > convenience) works quite well and has done so without major snafus for 10+ > years. > Mic

Re: Developer knowledge/admin access was: Source control in CF

2013-01-31 Thread Adam Cameron
On 31 January 2013 14:24, Dave Watts wrote: > > > But on their own machines, I'd imagine they should be able to install CF. > > I would expect a designer to install Photoshop. (OK, maybe IT could > > pre-image that since CS is so freaking huge.) > > This has not been my experience at large organ

Re: Developer knowledge/admin access was: Source control in CF

2013-01-31 Thread Dave Watts
> But on their own machines, I'd imagine they should be able to install CF. > I would expect a designer to install Photoshop. (OK, maybe IT could > pre-image that since CS is so freaking huge.) This has not been my experience at large organizations. People often can't install software, period. Th

Re: Developer knowledge/admin access was: Source control in CF

2013-01-31 Thread Raymond Camden
On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 4:48 AM, Adam Cameron < adamcameroncoldfus...@gmail.com> wrote: >2. That said, I've found it reasonably common in larger teams (and in >companies that aren't just a specialist IT shop) wherein the developers > are >not "special users" when it comes to how they

Re: Developer knowledge/admin access was: Source control in CF

2013-01-31 Thread Adam Cameron
All very true. Of course having dedicated sysadmin people is not * automatically* a solution to CF server config. I was kinda meaning having dedicated people competent at the task at hand. Which - fortunately - we have here. On 31 January 2013 13:02, Russ Michaels wrote: > > I have contracted

Re: Developer knowledge/admin access was: Source control in CF

2013-01-31 Thread Adam Cameron
On 31 January 2013 12:16, Russ Michaels wrote: > > lets not just tar cf developers with that brush Adam. > I wasn't mate. However I can only speak for developers I know, and the ones I know are CF ones. Hence my wording. Which, incidentally, cannot really be read as "CF developers and not other

Re: Developer knowledge/admin access was: Source control in CF

2013-01-31 Thread Russ Michaels
I have contracted at a few large orgs where they have sysadmin who do everything, and even they didn't really know what they were doing. Here are just a few things I have found in such orgs (cf specific) :- cf badly configured in general debugging left on on a production server log files, class fi

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2013-01-31 Thread John M Bliss
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Re: Developer knowledge/admin access was: Source control in CF

2013-01-31 Thread Phillip Duba
I agree with Russ. We have CF, .Net, Java, and PHP all in our environments and the majority of the developers don't know how install and configure. The senior people do, particularly with CF and Java. I've only worked in large organizations where there is a distinct group in charge of administrati

Re: Developer knowledge/admin access was: Source control in CF

2013-01-31 Thread Russ Michaels
lets not just tar cf developers with that brush Adam. It really applies to all developers. PHP developers are just as bad if not worse, in fact even companies who develop and sell PHP software (whmcs.com for example) are at a loss when you get server caused by PHP, they have absolutely no idea wha

Re: Developer knowledge/admin access was: Source control in CF

2013-01-31 Thread Andrew Scott
Wasn't this in regards to the the lack of experience in the original thread? He seemed to indicate there was like 50+ developers, you would think out of that many there is at least 1 or 2 very smart people who could train the other developers. -- Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite: http://www.andys

Re: Developer knowledge/admin access was: Source control in CF

2013-01-31 Thread Adam Cameron
Andrew... most of my brain is still influenza-ridden or ejected into tissues and has been discarded at some stage over the last few days. So... err... *huh*? Sorry mate, am not trying to be obtuse, but I'm just not able to connect your dots today. -- Adam On 31 January 2013 10:52, Andrew Sco

Re: Developer knowledge/admin access was: Source control in CF

2013-01-31 Thread Andrew Scott
They are some very good points Adam, but one has to ask would there not be, considering that there was an actual number mentioned, at least one or two Senior guys who could? If not why not... -- Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/ Google+: http://plus.google.com/1130324

Developer knowledge/admin access was: Source control in CF

2013-01-31 Thread Adam Cameron
On 31 January 2013 01:11, Raymond Camden wrote: > > Maybe I'm crazy, but if a developer doesn't know how to install ColdFusion, > or install a web server, than they aren't a web developer. (And they can > learn to this in one hour.) I have _never_ seen an org where IT was > responsible for setti