It's not that it is a symptom of FeLV, but it can be a symptom of
mediastinal lymphoma (lymphoma that starts in the lymph node in the chest), to
which FeLV+ cats are prone (but other cats get it as well). The thing I do
not like about what the vet did is that if it is mediastinal lymphoma, t
I had a similar situation with Buddy bullying Simon, both of whom were
FeLV+ and sort of confined (at the time they lived in a furnished garage
apartment with a fenced in yard and cat door, so it was not a small space, but
still somewhat confined). He really terrified and bullied Simon. Whe
Yes, I think that might help too.
In a message dated 1/3/2006 6:18:26 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
– I am
also thinking it’s a territorial thing as Tsubomi wants to claim that the top
of the tower is hers – do you think having another cat tower will help,
15 is low, but not deathly low. It depends on how fast it is
dropping. Kerry's Bandy was down to 17, I think, and is back up to 32
through a combination of folic acid and some other supplements, and I think he
was on Epogen for a while. Did you save the post with all her recommendations?
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Hi, I have read your post and thought I would send you the info on what I am doing for Bandy who is Felv and FIV+. He has anemia due to the Felv.. I am giving him Folic acid with every meal...I sprinkle it on his food so it is really hard to tell how much he is getting..
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Hi everyone, Hope you all had a wonderful Christmas and your kitties are doing good. Bandy's last blood work was in Oct..PCV 27 and weight 7.1#..so week before Christmas it was 32 and weight was 8.2#...His vet couldn't believe it...and I was a little nervous about having t
I know. When Simon needed to go into the hospital, they would not admit him without me paying half the estimate, and there was not enough room on our credit card for it. Luckily my mom was able and willing to give me her credit card number for it. It was very scary feeling, though, until she
Belinda, sending positive thoughts. Might it be useful to try the folic acid that seems to help Bandy so much? I have no idea what the cause of Bandy's anemia was or if it was nonregenerative, but I was very impressed by his progress.
Michelle
Yes, I know that dilemma all too well.
Prayers and warm thoughts,
Michelle
In a message dated 1/4/2006 12:02:56 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Michelle, Thank you for finding Kerry's post's, I'm going to print them out and take them to my vet to look over, Bailey gets
Hi. X-rays can often show tumors, though not always.
Ultrasound can when x-rays can't, but is way more expensive. The dex/depo
shot is given as needed. Depending on how early in the cancer you start,
they can sometimes go a month in-between shots at first. It gets less and and
less time
My understanding is that it is a synthetic version of a hormone that the
kidneys normally excrete which tells the bone marrow to produce red blood cells.
If the hormone is low, the bone marrow stops producing. The epogen
replaces the hormone and sends a signal to the bone marrow to start ma
I was already fretting about Patches because she has been having a little
trouble eating and the gums above her two broken canines are really swollen, so
I made an appointment with a dentist for her tomorrow and was pretty sure he was
going to say they have to come out. She is FeLV+ and at le
Thanks, Gloria. That really does help. I just have become so
paranoid and fatalistic from losing so many animals in the last few years, that
statistics like the one the vet cited just put me over the edge a little
bit.
But Gray showed me that the vet also has a chart in the office, put o
Wendy, I can't believe you have the energy to send prayers and try to talk
me out of anxiety when you are going through what you are going through with
Stretch. Thank you.
Michelle
In a message dated 1/4/2006 3:14:10 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hey
Michelle,I
Look at the email about Bandy. I think she said she gives him 800
micrograms (smaller than miligrams) but am not sure.
Michelle
In a message dated 1/4/2006 3:27:27 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I bought
some folic acid for Fu; I called the the vet who said just
Belinda,
Have you tried B12 shots? These sometimes help with appetite
and weight loss. Also, is he on periactin? Have you tried the liver shake recipe
with him?
It might also be worth asking for a dexamethasone shot.
That sometimes jump starts them eating, and sometimes also helps wi
Hi, Jen. I have been reading your posts to others and wondering how Ewok is
doing. Has he reacted, good or bad, to the CCNU? Has he needed additional dex
shots? I don't remember when you did the combo shot, but he could possibly
need another depo shot as well at some point I am hoping th
Hi. Cirproheptadine is the same thing as periactin, so that's what I was
suggesting. I do not know how long you have to wait for B-12 shots, but I
think I have heard a week like you have. Prednisone pills, or
dexamethasone pills, also increase appetite and can have a stimulating effect on
Jen,
SO glad to hear Ewok is still doing well!! Simon responded
very well to the CCNU also. After that he got Adriamycin, which he did not
respond well to, and I wished I had asked the oncologist to give him more CCNU
instead. I think the oncologist was afraid that without switching the
In my experience vets would not transfuse until the hematocrit was down to
13. But a transfusion could help. Epogen normally takes a few weeks to
kick in, I think, so you might need to do a transfusion to keep him strong until
then. Epogen is definitely expensive.
If his cancer is in rem
If you are wondering about cost for a blood transfusion (I answered only
about Epogen before), Simon's were each about $400, I think, when given to him
as an outpatient. Each transfusion took a few hours. I think I remember
others saying this was the cost they paid as well, except for someon
Wendy,
Such good news about Stretch! When Patches had
pneumonia, she was not coughing or anything, just hunched up and looked like she
felt really sick. She may have had some mucous around her nose, but that's it. I
took her to the emergency vet and she had pneumonia. She got Baytril and
Bonnie,
Ask your vet about giving him a dexamethasone shot. It really
makes them feel better, even when they are really sick. And sometimes
helps with anemia. It may be contraindicated because of his kidney and thyroid
problems, though, I don't know.
Michelle
In a message dated 1/5/2
Chandra,
When you did not write back I feared he was not doing
well. I am so very sorry. I know the grief is excruciating. And yes,
you were lucky to have him in your life for 14 years.
Michelle
Hideyo, this is so absolutely amazing!! Yay!! And you have helped others
too!
Michelle
No, you were the one trying to change the ordinance. All I really did was
give you tips for a hearing that you lost, and for a court case that never
materialized, and helped find Merry. I am so happy for you, though.
Michelle
In a message dated 1/6/2006 3:42:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
Jen,
You might want to stop the pred and give dex/depo shots
instead. The depo is instead of pred, and is stronger and longer lasting.
The fact that Ewok went two weeks or so without needing another depo shot says
to me that he is not near the end yet. I would strongly suggest, if he i
I have been thinking a lot about Fu, and I read the info on the site,
emailed by someone else, saying that Tapazol can cause anemia and kidney damage.
I am thinking there is a good chance that this is what has happened to Fu.
I am wondering if it would make sense to decrease or stop the Tapa
I should have said in the last email that I meant to talk to the vet
about it, or to people on the feline hyper-t group, not to just stop it because
it may need to be tapered or may not be possible at all.
Michelle
Not any better though?
Michelle
In a message dated 1/6/2006 10:19:49 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Michelle,Fu's been off the tapazole for about two days now, at the
vet's suggestion.Thanks for thinking of
him.Bonnie
I think, but am not positive, that it normally takes months for an adverse
reaction to occur. But I would be afraid that any medicine could have an
adverse reaction on Fu, given his age and condition. However, Epogen also
takes a while to show any good effects, and Fu is already doing so p
I know. Every time someone on the list has lymphoma or anemia, I think I
need to get off the list because it depresses me so much. But I learn so much
from the group, and it helped so much to have people there for me when I went
through it with Simon, that I just can't.
Michelle
P.S. And I
HI, Belinda. Yes, fluids do thin the blood and worsen the effects of
anemia. They are still necessary sometimes, though, if they are not
drinking, though if he has no kidney or liver problems and you are syringing
food he probably can do without fluids for a few days, I would think.
Have
Well, Patches was hardly eating this morning. She wanted food, but would
just lick at it a little and walk away. I am assuming the problem is her broken
teeth that are coming out on Wednesday, as one of the gums is swollen to about
twice its size. In order to get her to eat an acceptable amo
It's Dexamethasone, and it's a very strong, fast-acting steroid that works
within hours and is out of the body in 24 hours. It shrinks lymphoma, helps with
anemia caused by an auto-immune response (killing own rbc's) or lymphoma,
increases appetite, takes down inflammation, reduces pain, giv
Yes, Merry, Hideyo's attorney, called me yesterday to tell me what her
hopes are for the case (I had referred Hideyo to her) and said she was so glad
that I referred Hideyo to her because she had seen several people harrassed by
animal control in Albuquerque into giving up their cats and she
Dexamethasone. It does come in pills, but the shots work faster and
better in my opinion, though harder to keep them on long-term. The shots can be
given sub-q, so if your vet will give you the shot you can give it to Fu
yourself. It is possible she will only be willing to send you home wit
the raw diet is supposed to help with cystitis and struvite crystals. I am
about to try it with Lucy for chronic loose stools, and am thinking of trying it
with Patches after her surgery (knock on wood) for her urinary tract
problems.
Michelle
In a message dated 1/7/2006 3:45:55 P.M. Easte
Look in the archives for recent postings about anemia from kerry who has
Bandy. She has used a combination of medications and natural supplements to help
him, pretty successfully so far. Folic acid (I think 800 mcg a day--
that's micrograms, not miligrams) was one of them, but there were a
Unlike with humans, most anemia in cats is not related to poor iron
absorption. Most cats with anemia are absorbing enough iron but having trouble
with their bone marrow or their kidneys or their spleen. While feeding
some liver should not hurt (though be careful because cats can get vitami
No offense taken. Merry and I actually talked for a while about this very
thing-- how the city attorney and the city council started acting differently
once Merry announced to them she was going to take the case and put together a
team of lawyers to fight it. She said the "team" was going to
FYI, from the IBD list...
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> Can anyone share any experiences you've had
> with Wysong archetype food.
Hi Michelle,
I have some experience with Wysong Archtype and Au Jus (All Meat).
Wysong Archetype
Janine,
I had just received Feline Futures raw food supplement mix in
the mail when you sent that email, and started transitioning them to raw
today. I had heard it helps with cystitis and struvite crystals, which
patches has, as well as loose stool, which Lucy has. Patches also is having
Janine, one question: I use slippery elm often for stomach and intestinal
upsets, but have never used it for urinary tract upsets. It doesn't make
the ph of the urine more basic? Patches has really high ph-- 8.5, much too
basic.
Thanks,
Michelle
Bonnie,
That is fast for Epogen to work, I think. I am so glad
to hear he is feeling a little bit better. Maybe he has gotten the
Tapazole out of his system too. I'm pulling for Fu, and sending
prayers.
Michelle
In a message dated 1/8/2006 6:28:00 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAI
Thanks for all the info. If that is true about stress making the ph higher,
then that could be an explanation with Patches. Her teeth are hurting her
terribly (so much she is on narcotic shots twice a day until her dental surgery
on Wednesday). I thought it was just a bad coincidence that s
Hideyo, we are so much alike. Someone I worked with actually said that this
is my weakness as well as my strength, in those very words. I think it makes me
a good lawyer, but I do not always get along with people all that well!
Michelle
In a message dated 1/9/2006 12:09:11 P.M. Eastern St
I was hoping that your working with Merry would lead to you and her teaming
up on that too. That's great.
Michelle
In a message dated 1/9/2006 12:32:10 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I also told Merry
that I would like help TN&R ordinance to get into the new ordin
Oh, Jen. I am so sorry. I have been there, and it is the worst thing
ever. I am assuming the stronger steroids means you just gave him a dex/depo
shot for the first time? You might be surprised; it might help for a
while. I am praying it does.
Love and prayers and thoughts,
Michelle
I
Essiac tea is supposed to help, and I think it helped my dog Fern (though
she actually drank it from a bowl). Switching to an all meat diet is
supposed to slow the growth. I have heard that Winstrol, which is not
holistic but an anabolic steroid, helps keep appetite and fights muscle wasti
Wow, 40 mg/day of pred is a huge amount for a cat. How big was City Kitty?
That is really good to know-- no vet I know would ever prescribe that much, but
I always seem to have extra pred here from so many animals being on it, if it
came down to it I would increase it myself. Please let me
Hideyp-- what does your sister feed and give her dog?
Michelle
In a message dated 1/9/2006 7:08:25 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Jen -
another important thing to remember is that -- don't let the disease itself
you intimidate you --- I just have to tell you thi
Jen, is that picture of him from today? he does not look that bad.
Yes, if he only got dex, you should keep him on pred. But I really,
really think that if he only got dex you should go back tomorrow and get him a
depo shot too, or ask them to give it to you to give to him sub-q. It is
st
I absolutely think it is safe to give him the combo shot. The depo will not
actually kick in for a couple of days, and I know from experience with Simon
that you can give a dex shot two days in a row (I think I gave it to him three
days in a row when I thought he was dying the first time).
Yes, 1/2 cc of each. That is what the vet who taught me about it does. But
I think the oncologist gave Simon 1 cc of each, since 1 cc is the normal dose
for giving each individually, and it certainly did not hurt him. But I think I
would try 1/2 cc of each first, especially since he just got
Jen, I did not even know it came in two strengths, so I have no idea. I'm
sorry.
Michelle
In a message dated 1/10/2006 10:08:53 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Michelle--I forgot to ask you about this last time...but when my
vetfirst gave him the combo shot, she a
But given that you can give 1 cc of depo and that is the usual dose, I
would think 1/2 cc of her strength would be ok too.
In a message dated 1/10/2006 10:08:53 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Michelle--I forgot to ask you about this last time...but when my
vetfirst
As close together as they are needed. Towards the end it will be
every few days. But he might not need them that close together yet, or he
may need the combo shot now and a dex booster in a few days and not need depo
for a week. It kind of just depends on how he is doing. Basically, I woul
Also Felliway diffusers and spray.
In a message dated 1/10/2006 6:19:15 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Try
Rescue Remedy. Are they all spayed/neutered? If not, that might
help.
No, don't give him the pred. The dex should be enough for the next 24 hours
or so, and the depo should start kicking in after that. How is he doing? If he
perks up and then falls again before the depo kicks in, or if he does not perk
up at all, I would probably try giving him some. But you a
Great! Fingers Crossed!
Yes, my Josephine had a tumor in her belly too, and a few hours after a dex
shot it would be visibly smaller.
Michelle
In a message dated 1/10/2006 9:58:18 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hi
Michelle! Thanks for that...so far, so good...
Yay! A big bowl of baby food (she felt very lucky, since she usually only
gets a dollop with her supplements!) and a little wet food. And then ran
around playing. Not sure what the deal is, but I am happy she ate.
Now off to the dentist with Patches for her surgery!
Michelle
Hi. My mom has been feeding a feral for about 2 years at her house. She has been talking about trapping him/her for a long time but hasn't, and hasn't wanted me to (it seems like the cat may already be neutered, as no visible testicles and does not act like a female or get pregnant). Anyway, the c
Thanks, Wendy! How is Stretch doing?
Michelle
Wendy,
I am so glad to hear about Stretch!! Please keep us
updated.
Michelle
Belinda,
I looked around on the internet, and this is
about all I found:
We also encounter low blood pressure during shock, trauma,
bleeding, and from certain medications.
Hypotension may be observed in small animal patients in
shock and hypovolemia, with Morbus Addison, in chronic hea
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Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 4:16 PM
Subject: [SC] Digest Number 906
There are 3 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Pet Food Warning!
From: "Tim" <[E
So I am thinking Ginger's food problem-- eating only a little bit at a time
and never much-- over the last few days may be from stomatitis. She has always
had bad gums. She had 10 teeth out last spring because she stopped eating and
had many rotting teeth, and has been better since then. But
Belinda,
Kerry's Bandy also had anemia and fevers at the same
time. She thought the dexamethasone helped with both, first in shot form
and then in pill form. However, I do not know if Bandy had high WBC. Steroids
can sometimes make it harder to fight infection, I think.
MIchelle
In a
Thanks, Hideyo. She got through the surgery ok, had 3 teeth extracted, and
was very cuddly and purry last night. She did not want to eat this morning
until about an hour after getting pain killer meds (meloxicam). The vet
said he was not positive her reluctancy to eat without pain meds is
Thanks, Janine. I have been trying to get her to eat the raw diet I am
feeding to Lucy and Patches, but she hates it. She will eat a little if I mix a
spoonful in with about 3 times that amount of baby food, but that's it. I
think she has gingivities.
I made a vet appointment for her tomo
Thanks, Belinda. I have a vet appointment for her tomorrow, and I was going
to get blood work, but I was thinking of holding off. Now I think I should take
her, right?
I have her clindamycin liquid today and she gagged and threw up right
away. She then ate a little and held it down, so I
FYI from the IBD group...
Michelle
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Hey Jen - our vet gave us beef flavored prednisone liquid. I mix it into
Georgia Brown's food - he is IMPOSSIBLE to pill, and that's his little
appetizer. Once he has eaten it all up, he can have his regular meal. Works
fine. He m
Oh my god, Jen, I am so incredibly sorry and upset. It is a shock to
me, even with his recent decline, and must be an incredible shock to you. I am
so sorry.
Michelle
In a message dated 1/12/2006 10:06:54 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
More
later as the pain is a
Flax oil is supposedly very unstable and that's why they sell it in dark
bottles, so I would not keep it for more than a day. If you need to blend
more than one day's worth, I think I would throw the extra out (or give it to
someone else in the house, as it is good for anyone) and start ove
FYI, group on caring for feral cats, and this email has link to group on
bottle feeding kittens...
Michelle
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Hello,
Welcome to Feral_Cats! I hope you find your stay here very enjoyable and
informative. We have many great members with plenty of experience. Feel free
to
Sending prayers and good thoughts...
Michelle
I second this feeling, especially having just tried the IBD group, which is
nothing like this group and I have already unsubscribed. Thanks for being such a
great group of people.
Michelle
I am so sorry.
Michelle
Del, you have been through so much. I am so sorry. Our cat Arthur, at
my mom's, died the same way.
Michelle
Jen, what an incredible dream. I have heard that when people have
dreams like that it is the person coming back from the dead to let you know they
are ok. I had a dream like that about my horse Shire a few days after his
death, and it comforted me greatly for a while.
Michelle
I am so sorry.
Michelle
In a message dated 1/14/2006 5:23:12 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
sad news-
Tiggie died yesterday, surrounded by loving humans, her 2 vets and
myself.
She went downhill very fast by the time I got her to our vet, she was
on he
I thought Lucy was doing much better since being on raw food-- her chronic
loose stool of the last few months went away after 1 day on the raw food and she
was doing great. The starting the night before last she has been vomiting after
each meal (with the possible exception of yesterday morni
she has never had vomiting or hairballs before. i think it is more
likely IBD. I fear it is lymphoma, but hope not.
In a message dated 1/16/2006 4:17:29 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I guess they can
check on her ultrasound or X-ray or something to see what’
Thanks. I don't think she has a thyroid problem though. She is 4.5
years old and does not have other symptoms of thyroid issues. She had
loose stools for 2 months before going raw, and I think it is more likely
related to that. Or something worse.
Michelle
In a message dated 1/16/2006 4
Thank you!!!
Michelle
In a message dated 1/16/2006 4:23:06 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I don’t think it’s
lymphoma --- I don’t know why.. I just don’t feel that she has (so much of my
medical opinion, huh??) – the meantime, let’s think positive, Michelle
Thanks, Tonya. That does make me feel a little better. She only vomited
right after eating. She then wanted to be fed again!
I have not fed her for about 10 hours now. I think I am going to wait until
the morning. So you think if she vomits after getting a little food in the
morning I shou
I'm vegan so the only meat products I have are for my cats, and chicken
broth hasn't been something I have thought to stock. A lot of vet websites
on vomiting say to fast for 24 hours. I don't know if she has been drinking, but
if she has she has not been vomiting it. She does not seem dehy
Ah, but that was Patches who just had surgery last week. Lucy had bladder
surgery over 2 months ago. It has been anything but boring here,
unfortunately.
So did your ibd guy throw up repeatedly and only stop with reglan? How long
would you have to give him reglan for, and could you tell w
Lucy has not been diagnosed with ibd, but it is what I suspect (and hope,
alternative being lymphoma, but the soft stool issue started almost 3 months
ago, which is a long time ago for lymphoma).
Anyway, she held down a little cooked turkey for an hour this morning so I
gave her more, that
Thanks, Nina. I just got this email this morning. I did fast her
overnight, and she was HUNGRY this morning. I fed her three small meals of
cooked turkey in its broth, an hour apart, and so far so good, knock on wood (I
went downstairs to check for vomit again in the middle of that sentenc
She lost 1 lb, not 2. She does not feel dehydrated, and I am giving
her a lot of broth now with her little turkey meals.
Thanks,
Michelle
In a message dated 1/17/2006 12:58:12 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Michelle, I hope she
continues to get better – I am thi
Nina, you should definitely post on the 2 yahoo FIV lists. I found a
home for Charlie, from the shelter, that way (though we had to drive him to VA
from MA!)
Michelle
I do that too. My sheep's acupuncture vet told me yesterday that
sometimes the hardest thing to do is nothing, but sometimes it is the right
thing and that I have problems doing that.
Michelle
In a message dated 1/17/2006 4:33:05 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Nina
I know. I hate that Quincy is confined that way in my house. But I do not
know what else to do. I do not want to mix my positives and him, but even
if I did he can not be around other cats. The reason I have him is that my
friend rescued him but he bit a hole through one of her cat's tail
I am hoping too. Bailey has been such an inspiration to all of
us. I have found dexamethasone to be helpful with anemia where it is
caused by lymphoma-- in combo with chemo. Kerry had luck with it with
Bandy too, in combo with all that other stuff.
Michelle
In a message dated 1/17/2
Belinda, just as a pep talk-- Simon's HCT went down to 13 from lymphoma and
then back up to 32 with steroids and chemo. He died two months later from
anemia, but that final anemia came on suddenly and the oncologist said it was an
auto-immune response to the cancer (or maybe the chemo). Bu
Thanks, Tonya. That's exactly what I've done today, and so far so
good. She finally seems full and did not want the last bowl of turkey and
broth I offered her. She gained some of the weight back already. knock on
wood.
Michelle
In a message dated 1/17/2006 6:42:27 P.M. Eastern Standard
Yes, that definitely describes Charlie. But he is also very meek--
he's this HUGE cat and one time a little twerpy pipsqueak kitten who was about 3
months old and very small ran over and hit him on the head and he actually
cowered. He is the biggest pacifist I know. The woman who adopted h
Kerry, is Bandy FeLV+ too?
Patches, who is FeLV+, tested FIV+ at her last vet visit as well.
Hideyo said it could be a false positive.
Michelle
In a message dated 1/18/2006 9:52:43 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hi Nina,
I have read some post about Starm
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