Blocked in Iran as well.
On Apr 2, 10:48 am, WallyDD wrote:
> Hello,
>
> My website (on google app engine) is blocked in China where I used to
> get a lot of traffic from. I only just realised this from looking at
> the logs and noting that traffic from china has crawled to standstill.
> I imagi
List of countries where any website hosted on google app engine is not
accessible;
China
Iran
Sudan
Syria
Indonesia is blocked by most providers
Cuba
On Apr 2, 10:48 am, WallyDD wrote:
> Hello,
>
> My website (on google app engine) is blocked in China where I used to
> get a lot of traffic fro
And why is this Google's problem?
Presumably you are a victim of those countries over-zealous blocking
(presuming you don't think your site is getting blocked itself)
Any shared hosting will suffer this 'bad neighbour' issue, AppEngine
happens to be a rather large hosting provider, so its quite
>
> You might get slightly better results using a custom domain if you
> don't already.
>
True but a custom domain have to point to ghs.google.com to be
assigned to appengine. It seems that exactly that domain is blocked.
Martino Sabia
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You r
On 02/04/2009, Ezu wrote:
>
> >
> > You might get slightly better results using a custom domain if you
> > don't already.
> >
>
>
> True but a custom domain have to point to ghs.google.com to be
> assigned to appengine. It seems that exactly that domain is blocked.
>
ah, ok if ghs IPs are b
I have custom domain. I have never had anything blocked in many years
before migrating to google app engine.
The 'bad neighbour' issue has never been a problem for me in the past.
On Apr 2, 11:18 am, Barry Hunter wrote:
> And why is this Google's problem?
>
> Presumably you are a victim of thos
On 02/04/2009, WallyDD wrote:
>
> I have custom domain. I have never had anything blocked in many years
> before migrating to google app engine.
>
> The 'bad neighbour' issue has never been a problem for me in the past.
What do you want, a medal?
really that was just blind luck. (or maybe yo
Barry,
The issue is with the way google deals with dns.
The issue is very much googles as it means a lot of people will not be
able to develop on Google app engine. Most larger websites have no
choice but to steer clear of Google application engine.
I would love to take the issue up with the ma
lol,
I think , people should see this as a opportunity to start a new app
engine like service providing company in those country. I like how
this countries show their
love toward young entrepreneur of their countries... ( ...no pun
intendedhttp://xkcd.com/559/ )
On Apr 2, 11:04 pm, WallyDD
Most shared hosting providers don't have the customer base Google
already has, because they don't offer those services for free. Also,
because you haven't run into the 'bad neighbor' issue doesn't mean
it's not common. It really depends on what service providers you were
using.
It's not really a
Why shouldn't this be google's problem?
Google's hosting platform is being blocked by the country with the
largest internet population in the world. You think that's not a major
problem?
I've used plenty of hosting sites that are perfectly accessible from
China. So obviously this is a problem fo
And what do you want, a prescription for prozac?
You have nothing of value to contribute except badgering the people
who brought the problem to light.
On Apr 2, 1:49 pm, Barry Hunter wrote:
> On 02/04/2009, WallyDD wrote:
>
>
>
> > I have custom domain. I have never had anything blocked in ma
> Why shouldn't this be google's problem?
Suppose that I sold raincoats and you wanted to buy one of my
raincoats. If someone else got between us and stopped me from
delivering raincoats to you, who would you hold responsible?
Google isn't doing the blocking.
Yes, Google may be able to make mo
China and the other countries block content that they deem
unacceptable for their citizens. In order to get appengine off the
blacklist, they would have to disallow people to create applications
which would be deemed offensive to those countries.
First, looking at it from the pure technical/busin
Paying extra money for a static IP address is something that I would
happily cough up money for. Could Google create the functionality?
I am no expert on Firewalls and security but is this same type of
blocking done with some corporate firewalls? I was under the
impression that these countries bu
I am in China and I can access most of apps on GAE.
On 4月2日, 下午10时48分, WallyDD wrote:
> Hello,
>
> My website (on google app engine) is blocked in China where I used to
> get a lot of traffic from. I only just realised this from looking at
> the logs and noting that traffic from china has crawle
Can your site be accessed via yourapp.appspot.com?
On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 10:48 PM, WallyDD wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> My website (on google app engine) is blocked in China where I used to
> get a lot of traffic from. I only just realised this from looking at
> the logs and noting that traffic from c
Just because Google isn't doing the blocking doesn't mean it's not
Google's problem.
Using your (lack of) logic, if GAE is down because someone's attacking
it using DOS, does that mean it's also not Google's problem because
"google isn't doing the attacking"?
On Apr 2, 7:16 pm, Andy Freeman wro
No one is interested in hearing your "political/moral" preaching.
This is a forum for people to share information on GAE and solve
problems. If you have anything of value to add to the discussion, feel
free to add your bits. If not, you won't be missed.
So you "encourage me to take my business e
> > If A times 10 > B then fix it.
You're assuming that google can "fix it". Since google isn't doing
the blocking, this is an interesting assumption.
On Apr 2, 7:05 pm, WallyDD wrote:
> Paying extra money for a static IP address is something that I would
> happily cough up money for. Could G
Google can control access to its resources and has contracts with the
folks who ship bits to google.
Google has no control over the "great firewall".
On Apr 2, 8:32 pm, Andy wrote:
> Just because Google isn't doing the blocking doesn't mean it's not
> Google's problem.
>
> Using your (lack of
> This is a forum for people to share information on GAE and solve
problems.
Pot, kettle and all that unless you know how Google can subvert the
"great firewall".
On Apr 2, 8:48 pm, Andy wrote:
> No one is interested in hearing your "political/moral" preaching.
>
> This is a forum for people to
I want to to hear from Google whether it has done anything to solve
this problem or whether it has any plan to do so.
I don't want to hear pompous speech from a self-appointed non-google
spokesperson on his "political/moral" drivels and that he "encourage
me to take my business elsewhere".
So no
> So no, there's no pot and kettle here at all.
Sure there is - unless you know how to fix the problem. (Surely
you're not going to argue that you're reporting an unknown problem.)
After all, you complained about someone else's posting with "This is a
forum for people to share information on GAE
So fixing China is the problem?
Please can we take this aggression out of the discussion?
This is a technical group, not somewhere for country bashing. There
are plenty of other places you can have a political argument, this is
not the place.
On Apr 3, 10:04 am, Andy Freeman wrote:
> The fix t
Please try to be respectful.
http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine/web/google-app-engine-discussion-group-charter
On Apr 3, 10:04 am, Andy Freeman wrote:
> > So no, there's no pot and kettle here at all.
>
> Sure there is - unless you know how to fix the problem. (Surely
> you're not
My "take you business elsewhere" was offered a suggestion of how to
work around the fact that applications on GAE are being blocked by
national firewalls. Nothing more, nothing less. I also did not do any
moral/political preaching, if you read my response, I broke it down
into dollars and cents, t
Is there any google staff who is responsible for GAE promotion and
technology to say something here?
How can I access to my Google Apps via my own domain directly, e.g.
how can access via mail.my_domain.com instead of mail.google.com/a/
my_domain.com?
Is it really because of blocking of ghs.goog
> > So fixing China is the problem?
No. The problem is the blocking that China does. Fixing China
(changing actually) is the solution.
> Please can we take this aggression out of the discussion?
That's not aggression. It's merely pointing out who can do what.
> This is a technical group, no
> Is there any google staff who is responsible for GAE promotion and
> technology to say something here?
>
> How can I access to my Google Apps via my own domain directly, e.g.
> how can access via mail.my_domain.com instead of mail.google.com/a/
> my_domain.com?
One way to address this is to run
> Sure there is - unless you know how to fix the problem. (Surely
> you're not going to argue that you're reporting an unknown problem.)
> After all, you complained about someone else's posting with "This is a
> forum for people to share information on GAE and solve problems."
Indeed this is a f
Sounds like this might be something of a temporary workaround.
Does anyone have a link to an article or something to get me started
with this?
In the longer term Google has no choice but to deal with this issue.
Not a single airline, bank, car company or any company that does
business in any of t
> And, the political reputation
> damage would be enough to drive even more people away from their
> product.
>
Google already set up their China search site google.cn that received
approval from the Chinese government.
Did you see any resulting "political reputation damage" that "drive
even mo
> You have
> nothing of value to contribute to the discussion except to badger the
> people who reported this problem.
On the contrary. I've pointed out how to actually solve the problem.
> > Throughout this, you've acted like Google has some obligation to make
> > GAE applications visible in C
> I'm someone who understands that obligations come from laws and
> contracts. Feel free to point to the relevant chapter and verse that
>
> However, absent a contract and/or a law, Google isn't obligated to
> make GAE applications visible in China.
Feel free to hair-split the word "obligation"
appspot.com is accessiable in China now, and I found appspot.com has a
china specific host?
Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
(C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.
C:\Documents and Settings\fqin>ping cndata4u.appspot.com
Pinging appspot-china.l.google.com [72.14.235.141] with 32 bytes o
> Feel free to hair-split the word "obligation".
It's the plain meaning of the word. I apologise for not knowing that
you didn't know what it meant when you wrote that Google had an
obligation to make GAE available in China. Are there other statements
that you made without understanding their m
Google is more or less obligated to solve this issue.
No company is willing to be a pawn in the game of politics between
Google and China.
Name a single company (that has any international presence) who would
be willing to use GAE knowing full well that it is blocked in its
current form?
This iss
> This issue has nothing to do with the Chinese government and there is
> no way Google will point the finger at them.
If the Chinese govt is doing the blocking, how can the blocking have
nothing to do with the Chinese govt?
> most of the diatribe you present here seems
> aimed at China/Chinese
Plenty of companies would be willing to deal with not being able to
support customers in China. Either for reasons of they only support
selling products within in their own countries, to, startups that will
move off of appengine if the need and funding arises to allow them
move off of appengine to
> No company is willing to be a pawn in the game of politics between
> Google and China.
That sounds reasonable, but what can Google do to stop the Chinese
govt from blocking?
(1) Google can't tell the Chinese govt what to do.
(2) The Chinese govt appears to be technically competent and control
> It's the plain meaning of the word. I apologise for not knowing that
> you didn't know what it meant when you wrote that Google had an
> obligation to make GAE available in China. Are there other statements
> that you made without understanding their meaning?
If you think "obligation" only r
> So far, I've only seen two people complaining about the Chinese
> firewall and appengine, and a couple others voicing their opinion on
> it not being Google's obligation to support it. So really, when you
> count how many members this group has, I'd venture a guess that most
> just don't care ei
> It's the plain meaning of the word. I apologise for not knowing that
> you didn't know what it meant when you wrote that Google had an
> obligation to make GAE available in China. Are there other statements
> that you made without understanding their meaning?
If you think "obligation" only re
> So far, I've only seen two people complaining about the Chinese
> firewall and appengine, and a couple others voicing their opinion on
> it not being Google's obligation to support it. So really, when you
> count how many members this group has, I'd venture a guess that most
> just don't care ei
>what can Google do to stop the Chinese
> govt from blocking?
>one can argue that Google "needs" the Chinese govt to not block,
>but that doesn't imply that Google can do anything to stop the Chinese
>govt from blocking.
As I've told you, there are plenty of solutions.
One of them is to offer
> It's the plain meaning of the word. I apologise for not knowing that
> you didn't know what it meant when you wrote that Google had an
> obligation to make GAE available in China. Are there other statements
> that you made without understanding their meaning?
If you think "obligation" only re
> So far, I've only seen two people complaining about the Chinese
> firewall and appengine, and a couple others voicing their opinion on
> it not being Google's obligation to support it. So really, when you
> count how many members this group has, I'd venture a guess that most
> just don't care ei
>what can Google do to stop the Chinese
> govt from blocking?
>one can argue that Google "needs" the Chinese govt to not block,
>but that doesn't imply that Google can do anything to stop the Chinese
>govt from blocking.
As I've told you, there are plenty of solutions.
One of them is to offer h
You can check whether your website is accessible in china by using a
service such as:
http://www.websitepulse.com/help/testtools.china-test.html
Try both your domain name and the appspot subdomain to see whether it
is your domain or the appengine subdomain / IP address that is being
blocked.
Mat
> One of them is to offer hosting at Google's data center in China.
Since China can block sites hosted in China (I thought that it
was common knowledge that China imposed controls on in-China sites.)
There's nothing wrong with wanting guarantees, but Google isn't in a
position to give a gua
> Do you see the words "social" and "moral" in addition to "legal" in
> the definition for "obligation"? Do you even understand what those
> words mean?
Yes, I do. And I also understand how social and moral obligations
work. If you feel that Google is violating a social or moral
obligation, you
I'd just like to point out how funny it is that people keep banging on
for Google to respond, and in their banging on for Google to respond,
they missed Google's actual response.
>> Is there any google staff who is responsible for GAE promotion and
>> technology to say something here?
>
>> How ca
The internet is indeed a funny place.
I did respond with a question on how to set this up but have received
no answer?
Any ideas anyone?
On Apr 6, 3:03 am, Paddy Foran wrote:
> I'd just like to point out how funny it is that people keep banging on
> for Google to respond, and in their banging o
It's even funnier that you quoted someone who isn't "banging on Google
to respond".
On Apr 6, 12:03 am, Paddy Foran wrote:
> I'd just like to point out how funny it is that people keep banging on
> for Google to respond, and in their banging on for Google to respond,
> they missed Google's actua
Get a server and IP that is available in China, but outside of the
chinese firewall. Configure it to proxy you appspot.com domain. It
gets tricky handling cookies and session state and such doing this
though. Not a turnkey solution. Basically all requests to your
appengine application coming from
On Apr 6, 3:03 am, Paddy Foran wrote:
> I'd just like to point out how funny it is that people keep banging on
> for Google to respond, and in their banging on for Google to respond,
> they missed Google's actual response.
That's because Brett gave a technical solution instead of telling us
wh
Thanks for the answer Joe.
I have to agree it is not a turnkey solution and from the look of
things people are probably better off giving up on GAE and finding an
alternate host. The general feeling I find on the web is that Amazons
service is better suited for the international market.
On Apr 6
On Apr 6, 10:16 am, Andy Freeman wrote:
> > One of them is to offer hosting at Google's data center in China.
>
> Since China can block sites hosted in China (I thought that it
> was common knowledge that China imposed controls on in-China sites.)
So you really have no idea what you are t
> Yes, I do.
I'm glad you finally learn the word "obligation". Too bad you didn't
learn it earlier when you spewed your nonsense that obligation can
only come from "laws and contracts".
Feel free to consult a dictionary first next time when you find
yourself once again tempted to use a big wo
> Yes, I do.
I'm glad you finally learn the word "obligation". Too bad you didn't
learn it earlier when you spewed your nonsense that obligation can
only come from "laws and contracts".
Feel free to consult a dictionary first next time when you find
yourself once again tempted to use a big word
Just to add some irony to this.
Google is doing some developer days in Beijing and they are going to
talk about appengine.
And just to really demonstrate how aware Google is of this entire
issue they have advertised this on blogspot.com, which is also blocked
in China.
http://google-code-updates.
http://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/detail?id=1072
On Apr 7, 11:39 am, WallyDD wrote:
> Just to add some irony to this.
>
> Google is doing some developer days in Beijing and they are going to
> talk about appengine.
> And just to really demonstrate how aware Google is of this entire
Interestingly, issue 1144, the same thing, was marked "Fixed" on March
16.
On Apr 7, 12:31 pm, Joe Bowman wrote:
> http://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/detail?id=1072
>
> On Apr 7, 11:39 am, WallyDD wrote:
>
> > Just to add some irony to this.
>
> > Google is doing some developer day
> > (I thought that it
> > was common knowledge that China imposed controls on in-China sites.)
>
> So you really have no idea what you are talking about...
Umm, unless you're claiming that China doesn't impose controls on in-
China sites, it's pretty clear that I do know what I'm talking about.
Not to mention the threats consist of actions that were suggested as
an alternative. That suggestion was reproached as unacceptable. So it
is quite confusing.
On Apr 7, 2:16 pm, Andy Freeman wrote:
> > Some user reported a problem and wanted to know if Google had any plan
> > to solve it. That e
> Some user reported a problem and wanted to know if Google had any plan
> to solve it. That equates to wanting a "guarantee" in your world? Some
> kind of twisted world you live in there.
When considering a plan to solve a problem, I think that it's
reasonable to consider whether said plan will
Google is deliberately blocking Cuba, Iran, Sudan and Syria. It is not
these countries doing the blocking. Google is doing the blocking.
The strangest thing is that google.com can be accessed most of the
time from these countries. Adwords/adsense can also be seen.
Is there ANY chance of ANY comme
> Which means that if Google allows anything to be hosted in China that
> the Chinese don't like, they'll block GAE-China (and maybe other
> properties to teach Google a lesson or because the external IPs are
> shared).
So you're speculating that Google China is going to break the laws of
the
> When considering a plan to solve a problem, I think that it's
> reasonable to consider whether said plan will actually solve the
> problem. Why? Because if a plan doesn't solve the problem, the
> problem still exists.
Quite simply, whatever solution there may or may not be, it is not
your "p
> Not to mention the threats consist of actions that were suggested as
> an alternative. That suggestion was reproached as unacceptable. So it
> is quite confusing.
The funny thing is that the people who have " reproached" the
suggestions as "unacceptable" are all non-Google employees yet acti
> When considering a plan to solve a problem, I think that it's
> reasonable to consider whether said plan will actually solve the
> problem. Why? Because if a plan doesn't solve the problem, the
> problem still exists.
Quite simply, whatever solution there may or may not be, it is not
your "pl
> Not to mention the threats consist of actions that were suggested as
> an alternative. That suggestion was reproached as unacceptable. So it
> is quite confusing.
The really funny thing is that the people who "reproached" the
suggestions as "unacceptable" are all non-Google employees yet actin
2009/4/8 Andy :
>
> Perhaps psychiatric help would be a better option than disrupting
> Internet forum by openly acting out your Google employee fantasy.
>
Great idea, Andy! Now, how about giving all 6958 of our inboxes a
break from your ego, eh?
Thanks,
David.
>
> >
>
--
It is better to
>
> Great idea, Andy! Now, how about giving all 6958 of our inboxes a
> break from your ego, eh?
>
David, if only you would listen to your own advice then all 6958 of us
wouldn't have to be part of your latest ego trip. How about that eh?
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You
agreed.
google should be more aware of the site blocking from any country.
because of the bad domain binding method google provided.
On 4月3日, 上午6时38分, Andy wrote:
> Why shouldn't this be google's problem?
>
> Google's hosting platform is being blocked by the country with the
> largest internet p
Hi Wally,
Sorry to hear about the block.
> The internet is indeed a funny place.
> I did respond with a question on how to set this up but have received
> no answer?
>
> Any ideas anyone?
Setting up a proxy server is a non-trivial task (I'm not saying it's
hard, just non-trivial) so you're not
Hi TJ,
That really is an amazing post. I'm impressed, you have certainly
covered all the technical bases of implementing a proxy.
My biggest concern is that Googles behaviour is unpredictable and I
not entirely sure how well they will respond to something like this
being implemented.
1. I have
On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 10:08 AM, WallyDD wrote:
> 4. Google has deliberately and intentionally blocked traffic
> originating from Sudan, Syria, Cuba, Iran and North Korea(not really
> sure if they have internet there). From the legal discourse I have
> read it would appear google is obligated t
As I know, *.appspot.com mostly works in China, only completely
blocked for a short period early this year, after that only some apps
-- most proxies which can be used to access other blocked sites -- are
still blocked. And for the custom domain, some Chinese developers will
find available ips of
Hi Wally,
Happy to help (if I did).
> ...you have certainly
> covered all the technical bases of implementing a proxy.
Oh, I very much doubt it. :-) (BTW, I don't know where that "six"
came from in my earlier post. You'll incur 2-3 times, not 2-6 times,
as much transfer on requests for dynami
You can try this CNAME to instead of ghs: google.dns.tancee.com
My website(http://gae.keakon.cn/) is ok by visiting from China.
2009/4/10 T.J. Crowder
>
> Hi Wally,
>
> Happy to help (if I did).
>
> > ...you have certainly
> > covered all the technical bases of implementing a proxy.
>
> Oh, I
I suggest never do that, since google.dns.tancee.com is not your own
domain name, what if the owner/cracker directs it to another malicious
page?
You'd better find an google ghs ip, and then make an A record to it.
I think the best way is that Google provides unique static ips.
http://groups.goog
For this second, you can set an A record to 74.125.113.121.
But google.dns.tancee.com will keep available if this IP got banned.
So when Chinese can't visit your web site, you can ping
google.dns.tancee.com to see if there is a new available IP, and change your
A record again.
Hope this would be
I don't suppose there as any chance of any comment from anyone at
google on any of this?
On Apr 13, 1:18 pm, 风笑雪 wrote:
> For this second, you can set an A record to 74.125.113.121.
> But google.dns.tancee.com will keep available if this IP got banned.
>
> So when Chinese can't visit your web si
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