On Feb 13, 2008, at 2:33 PM, Yukus, Mary J CIV USMEPCOM wrote:
Thanks so much for all your input, it is very much appreciated!
Mary :-)
Yukas:
Don't forget that some(quite a few) installations promote past the
level of competence. It is I believed called the Peter Principal.
Ed
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Thanks so much for all your input, it is very much appreciated!
Mary :-)
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o be to restrictive, and
that they struggle to fill the positions, but forget about the
consequences if they disregard his 'lead'.
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It all depends what your structure is. If it was me and I was say the
head of IT where you are, I would appoint the team-lead sysprog( someone
with all the credentials) first, and let him select his team... I have
seen it many times, and this would be the
Subject: Re: z/OS system programmer staffing
Here is my opinion on Z/OS system programer staffing.
When I decided to start looking for a new JOB in the mainframe world, I
found
that many companies were looking for System Programmer Gods that knew
about everything. This surprised me because I
On Feb 12, 2008, at 9:40 AM, Frank Alequin wrote:
Here is my opinion on Z/OS system programer staffing.
When I decided to start looking for a new JOB in the mainframe
world, I found
that many companies were looking for System Programmer Gods that knew
about everything. This surprised me beca
On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 17:15:55 -0500, Burrell, C. Todd
(CDC/OCOO/ITSO) (CTR) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>...
>1) Install ANY OEM product with no help.
>2) Install z/OS or another Serverpac with no help.
>3) Debug a dump with no help.
>4) Do at least some minimal assembler coding
>5) Understand
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>What would all of you consider a senior level systems programmer (how
>many yea
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What would all of you consider a senior level systems programmer (how
I worked as a systems programmer for 2 years when I was hired by Marine Bank in
the middle of 3 levels. I became a Senior Systems Programmer after 2 years
there, or a total of 4 years. I don't know what's normal, or whats normal now.
Eric
"Yukus wrote:
> What would all of you consider
system programmer staffing
Here is my opinion on Z/OS system programer staffing.
When I decided to start looking for a new JOB in the mainframe world, I found
that many companies were looking for System Programmer Gods that knew
about everything. This surprised me because I had enough work
On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 10:34:15 -1000, Stephen Y Odo wrote:
..
>I think we're overworked. But the plan was that we'd only have to carry
>this workload for 5 years and then the mainframe would be gone and we'd
>go back to normal workloads when we get integrated into our 18-man
>Sun/Solaris Sy
Eric Bielefeld wrote:
I think many of the estimates people have givin on this thread seem really high for the number of sysprogs to staff a z/OS site. At P&H, for the last 10 years or so, we had 3 sysprogs. We only had a 115 MIP machine, so were very small.
We're a small shop too. We run a
The "expert" in the eyes of HR sounds appropriate. Perhaps that is why he got
the interview in the first place.
As for waiting until a subsequent interview. Not there. He was interviewed by
all parties involved in one session, including the IMS Systems Programmer who
was soon to be, and prob
I never thought about his retirement like that, but it does describe him. He,
like me, loves what he does and would hate to do anything else.
As for being secure, perhaps. I do know he wants to move on so he can "settle
down", whatever that means. If they were to call back, I do know he would
Franky,
Don't worry about it be happy.
Actually that odd thoughts regarding to location and nationality .. are
changing. Every day more and more recruiters are looking for ZOS people with
expertise and willing to relocation (not a country passport or privileged
community members) ... due
AM
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Companies may be looking for System Programmer Gods..., but they only
seem willing to pay for newbies.
An associate has been looking to move on for some time now. If, IF, he
gets to speak with someone at the hiring company (3 out of
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> Companies may be looking for System Programmer Gods..., but
> they only seem willing to pay for newbies.
>
> An associate has been looking to move on for some time now.
> If, IF, he gets to speak wit
he rest of the
pack.
Regards
Herbie
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I think many of the estimates people hav
I think many of the estimates people have givin on this thread seem really high
for the number of sysprogs to staff a z/OS site. At P&H, for the last 10 years
or so, we had 3 sysprogs. We only had a 115 MIP machine, so were very small.
I know of a couple of companies in Milwaukee, where the
Companies may be looking for System Programmer Gods..., but they only seem
willing to pay for newbies.
An associate has been looking to move on for some time now. If, IF, he gets to
speak with someone at the hiring company (3 out of 14) they either reject him
out of hand because, he believes,
Here is my opinion on Z/OS system programer staffing.
When I decided to start looking for a new JOB in the mainframe world, I found
that many companies were looking for System Programmer Gods that knew
about everything. This surprised me because I had enough work only working
with implementati
On Feb 11, 2008, at 4:40 PM, Patrick O'Keefe wrote:
On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 21:20:06 +, Ted MacNEIL
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If the installation has a fair amount of mods to the OS then
increase
the number of sysprogs. How many well it depends on the complexity
of the mods and other things
On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 15:27:53 -0800, Edward Jaffe
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>...
... We have libraries concatenated in front of
>> SYS1.LINKLIST and ...
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>I don't have that library on any of my systems.
>...
I, of course, meant SYS1.LINKLIB in the linklist concatenation.
And the problem I refer
Patrick O'Keefe wrote:
... We have libraries concatenated in front of
SYS1.LINKLIST and ...
I don't have that library on any of my systems.
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On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 21:20:06 +, Ted MacNEIL
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>>If the installation has a fair amount of mods to the OS then increase
the number of sysprogs. How many well it depends on the complexity
of the mods and other things.
>
>I hope you mean exits!
>...
Unfortuantely, mods
On Feb 11, 2008, at 3:34 PM, Luis M Martinez wrote:
Another concerns to mention:
* If your shop support some clients (outsourcing)
* Several IBM operating systems on the boxes: zVM, zVSE, zLinux, zOS.
* A lot of virtual machines.
* Some shops try to have one equipment for z/OS, IBM and ISV soft
On Feb 11, 2008, at 3:20 PM, Ted MacNEIL wrote:
If the installation has a fair amount of mods to the OS then
increase the number of sysprogs. How many well it depends on the
complexity of the mods and other things.
I hope you mean exits!
I haven't seen a shop with mods in a long time.
I wor
>Current administration is again considering outsourcing
Many companies fall in the trap, after a 'successful' out-sourcing excercise,
of asking the wrong question:
"What else can we out-source"?
The correct question is:
"What is the best mix of in-sourced & out-sourced functions that best mee
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>>
>> John,
>>
>> I know several shops who outsourced and a few years later took their
>> environment
>I know several shops who outsourced and a few years later took their
>environment back because of poor service levels..Too many only see the
bottom line...
But, poor service levels impact the bottom line.
Most out-sourcing arrangements don't see that until after the dirty deed is
done.
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, John
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> >* If your shop sup
>* If your shop support some clients (outsourcing)
I have some major issues with outsourcing:
1. You lose control of upgrades an tech currency.
2. The service provider keeps you at the absolute minimum level of hardware &
software.
3. They downgrade the staff skill set, experience, & salary.
4. T
I am fixing one point
* Some shops try to have one *team* for z/OS, IBM and ISV software
cloning for new realeses while having other *team* in a daily basis
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Another concerns to mention:
* If your shop support some clients (outsourcing)
* Several IBM operating systems on the boxes: zVM, zVSE, zLinux, zOS.
* A lot of virtual machines.
* Some shops try to have one equipment for z/OS, IBM and ISV software
cloning for new realeses while having other equip
>If the installation has a fair amount of mods to the OS then increase the
>number of sysprogs. How many well it depends on the complexity of the mods and
>other things.
I hope you mean exits!
I haven't seen a shop with mods in a long time.
I worked with an Operations manager (just before XA), w
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>Ideal:
>
>ZOS small shops.
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>Few
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We have a shop about your size it sounds like. We do it with 2.5. Combined
experience 70 + years. We also do not have Oracle, rather DB2, and no
zLinux. It is not enough to stay current with releases.
Thanks, Dave Hanson
464-8889
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Ideal:
ZOS small shops.
Few and small local/distributed applications, few LPARS, few ISV products, No
Datasharing, One Sysplex, few CICS and DB2
On Feb 11, 2008, at 11:25 AM, Yukus, Mary J CIV USMEPCOM wrote:
Can anyone point me in the direction of where to find a good (but
minimum)
estimate for staffing systems programmers (with various experience
levels)
to perform all functions of a systems programmer, including
installations of
Ideal:
ZOS small shops.
Few and small local/distributed applications, few LPARS, few ISV products, No
Datasharing, One Sysplex, few CICS and DB2 regions/subsystems: 5 up to 10
sysprogs.
ZOS medium shops.
Local, distributed and Web applications, 10-20 LPARS, less than 10 ISV
products, 10-20
product installations
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Although the relationship is not linear, there
Although the relationship is not linear, there is also the issue of
complexity to be dealt with.
At one shop I worked, (10 sysplexs, 44 LPARs, 20+ CECs), the CICS person
was
Actually 5 people). The z/OS sysprog was 8 and the Oracle(DB2/IMS)
person was 6.
In my current environment, all of the bel
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 12:25 PM
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Subject: z/OS system programmer staffing
Can anyone point me in the direction of where to find a good (but
minimum)
estimate for staffing systems programmers (with various experience
levels)
to perform all functions of a sy
Can anyone point me in the direction of where to find a good (but minimum)
estimate for staffing systems programmers (with various experience levels)
to perform all functions of a systems programmer, including installations of
OS and vendor software, applying maintenance, troubleshooting errors,
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