Re: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-24 Thread Anders Holmberg
Hi! Frankly i don’t see the meaning in getting so upset in this. Maybe in 20 years you have your headphones built-in to your brain and pair yourself with the iphone or what it now is. I am not worrid at all just curious. /A > On 20 Jan 2016, at 23:21, Scott Granados wrote: > > I’m personally not

Re: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-24 Thread Anders Holmberg
;>>> Hi! >>>>> Possibly. >>>>> But bluetooth is not as good quality as airplay if you’re not using the >>>>> atpx protocol which apple doesn’t do. >>>>> /A >>>>>> 19 jan. 2016 kl. 00:45 skrev Christopher-Mark Gil

Re: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-21 Thread Scott Granados
Remember that original CDs are not lossy I don’t believe. If memory serves it was 44.1 KHZ stereo uncompressed which used a little less than 10 megabytes per minute. So a 655 megabyte CD holds roughly and I mean roughly 70 minutes of audio. So I think it fits. > On Jan 20, 2016, at 6:04 PM,

Re: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-21 Thread Terje Strømberg
Ja ja ja ja ja ja ja ja ja. Agree! The future is great! Take care 21. jan. 2016 kl. 11:16 skrev Terje Strømberg : Meridian company is on to something that can become a promising high quality hifi audio sound. Tidal is one compaany that will have some amount fo songs in their library, maybe bef

Re: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-21 Thread Terje Strømberg
Meridian company is on to something that can become a promising high quality hifi audio sound. Tidal is one compaany that will have some amount fo songs in their library, maybe before this summer. If it is good, others will follow or already is. http://www.mqa.co.uk Take care 21. jan. 2016 k

Re: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-20 Thread Sabahattin Gucukoglu
Well, you could certainly keep AIFF or Wav files, and they’d be a lot easier to edit, but no, I was thinking of compressed lossless encoders like FLAC and ALAC. ALAC is Apple’s codec and is used by AirPlay and supported by iTunes. FLAC is an open format supported by most everybody else. -- T

Re: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-20 Thread Devin Prater
Lossless encoders, like AIFF or something? That's the format I'm most familiar with, as some Creative Commons stuff comes with MP3 and AIFF versions. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 20, 2016, at 5:16 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote: > > Red Book CDs (i.e., the kind you play in your CD player) are

Re: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-20 Thread Sabahattin Gucukoglu
Red Book CDs (i.e., the kind you play in your CD player) are lossless PCM (i.e. mostly like Wav or AIFF) with a 16-bit sample, 44100 samples per second, two channels. That means it takes about 10.1 MB per minute of audio. And yes, an hour of CD audio is about 640 MB. no problem for today’s ha

Re: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-20 Thread Devin Prater
I don't think a 700MB regular CD can hold an album of lossless audio, can it? With each song being a good 50MB or so? Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 20, 2016, at 5:01 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote: > > I seem to be very lucky in not being among those frequently beset by AirPlay > dropouts, but

Re: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-20 Thread Brent Harding
through making that 3.5 inch jack do digital as well as analog. - Original Message - From: "Terje Strømberg" To: Cc: "Terje Strømberg" Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2016 2:05 PM Subject: Re: Apple's headphone scam An iPhone repair engineer confirmed that the 3.

Re: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-20 Thread Sabahattin Gucukoglu
I seem to be very lucky in not being among those frequently beset by AirPlay dropouts, but in any case it and Kleer are worthwhile investments for me. I need lossless quality. Maybe not higher definition, but certainly lossless. Encoders are the problem. Really. If we could just get decent

Re: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-20 Thread Brent Harding
bluetooth model devices out there, that maybe Apple just didn't see the point. Chris. - Original Message - From: "Anders Holmberg" To: Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 5:12 PM Subject: Re: Apple's headphone scam Hi! One thing i am concerned about is why there’s not

Re: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-20 Thread Scott Granados
I’m personally not that invested in the 3.5MM cable. If an adapter exists I’m happy. Either way I don’t care if it’s included or not, frankly I’d rather it was thin than had a 3.5MM jack. But my answer changes if there’s no reasonable adapter. > On Jan 20, 2016, at 2:52 PM, Terje Strømberg w

Re: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-20 Thread Devin Prater
not using the >>>> atpx protocol which apple doesn’t do. >>>> /A >>>>> 19 jan. 2016 kl. 00:45 skrev Christopher-Mark Gilland >>>>> : >>>>> >>>>> I'm wonderring if that may be because there are so many bluetooth model >&g

Re: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-20 Thread 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
essage - From: "Anders Holmberg" To: Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 5:12 PM Subject: Re: Apple's headphone scam Hi! One thing i am concerned about is why there’s not any airplay headphones around yet? /A On 18 Jan 2016, at 15:37, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote: I’m afraid I

Re: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-20 Thread Anders Holmberg
gt;> I'm wonderring if that may be because there are so many bluetooth model >>> devices out there, that maybe Apple just didn't see the point. >>> >>> Chris. >>> >>> - Original Message - From: "Anders Holmberg" >>

Re: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-20 Thread E.T.
s out there, that maybe Apple just didn't see the point. Chris. - Original Message - From: "Anders Holmberg" To: Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 5:12 PM Subject: Re: Apple's headphone scam Hi! One thing i am concerned about is why there’s not any airplay headphone

Re: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-20 Thread Terje Strømberg
An iPhone repair engineer confirmed that the 3.5mm audio output is quite space-requiring. So, the space saving theory have good odds. Take care 20. jan. 2016 kl. 12:44 skrev Scott Granados : Personally, I think the whole change comes down to space savings. They may save money but the big thi

Re: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-20 Thread Anders Holmberg
Hi! As i stated in an earlier message airplay sound quality is far better than bluetooth. However i agree with the dropouts on airplay. But its better than it was back 3 years ago. /A > 19 jan. 2016 kl. 14:24 skrev Ricardo Walker : > > A couple reasons. The first being money. Why pay Apple to lic

Re: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-20 Thread Terje Strømberg
It is best to let apple know that there is many customers out there that like to use the 3.5mm headphone connector now at this time, not later, when the 3.5mm is gone on the next model. Ehen it is gone it is gone. To late. Take care 20. jan. 2016 kl. 12:06 skrev Bill Gallik : I have to wonder

Re: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-20 Thread Scott Granados
because there are so many bluetooth model >>>> devices out there, that maybe Apple just didn't see the point. >>>> >>>> Chris. >>>> >>>> - Original Message - From: "Anders Holmberg" >>>> >>>>

Re: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-20 Thread Karen Lewellen
ing if that may be because there are so many bluetooth model devices out there, that maybe Apple just didn't see the point. Chris. - Original Message - From: "Anders Holmberg" To: Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 5:12 PM Subject: Re: Apple's headphone scam Hi! On

Re: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-20 Thread Scott Granados
gt;>> : >>> >>> I'm wonderring if that may be because there are so many bluetooth model >>> devices out there, that maybe Apple just didn't see the point. >>> >>> Chris. >>> >>> - Original Message - From: "

Re: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-20 Thread Ricardo Walker
t;> >> Chris. >> >> - Original Message - From: "Anders Holmberg" >> To: >> Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 5:12 PM >> Subject: Re: Apple's headphone scam >> >> >> Hi! >> One thing i am concerned about is why there’

Re: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-20 Thread Anders Holmberg
there, that maybe Apple just didn't see the point. > > Chris. > > - Original Message - From: "Anders Holmberg" > To: > Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 5:12 PM > Subject: Re: Apple's headphone scam > > > Hi! > One thing i am concerned abo

Re: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-20 Thread Scott Granados
Personally, I think the whole change comes down to space savings.  They may save money but the big  thing they want is more realestate to put components in the phone and or the ability to make it thinner.  I doubt the human ear gains much by having the signal handed to the headphones digitally or o

Re: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-20 Thread Bill Gallik
I have to wonder if Apple is really planning on changing the headphone jack. I also wonder if the eventual iPhone 7 will come complete with the necessary audio jack adapter included? But the bottom line to me is this, if Apple does incorporate an alternative connection to the current jack do

Re: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-19 Thread E.T.
Heh yes I remember that one. Well, that may be one way to "collect" feedback. From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were true? On 1/19/2016 8:45 AM, Scott Granados wrote: I wouldn’t go that far, the leak what they

Re: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-19 Thread Scott Granados
I wouldn’t go that far, the leak what they want to create buzz as well. Many of the rumors are dead on and you should weight the sources by their previous accuracy. Also, sometimes you even have apple leaving devices in bars, oops.:) > On Jan 19, 2016, at 11:37 AM, E.T. wrote: > > Its anyb

Re: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-19 Thread E.T.
Its anybody's guess until September. Until then, its nothing but speculation. Apple, as well as any other company, is not in the habit of releasing information ahead of product release to market. To do so is suicide. From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Many believe that we

Re: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-19 Thread Jessica Moss
Ok, I'm really confused here, how exactly is this supposed to work here? is this secondary adapter we carry around with the headphones themselves, or a whole different set of headphones we have to purchase? On Jan 18, 2016, at 5:54 AM, Terje Strømberg wrote: > Friends, > > If the rumours are

Re: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-19 Thread Jessica Moss
Exactly, My family and I are all IPhone users, and all of them accept myself are sighted, and my dad and I have both had complaints at one point when IOS 6, I think it was, came out, that allowed maps to announce turn-by-turn directions, but it also had a lot of other issues, and he and I both h

Re: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-19 Thread Scott Granados
new Apple TV. >>>>>> >>>>>> So Apple has very good reason for change. Its simple. People want >>>>>> change. >>>>>> >>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard... >>>>>> ancient.ali...@iclou

Re: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-19 Thread Scott Granados
Keyboard... >>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com >>>> Many believe that we have been visited >>>> in the past. What if it were true? >>>> >>>> On 1/18/2016 7:12 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: >>>>> Yes, the 3.5 m jack would go bye by

Re: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-19 Thread Scott Granados
Actually, you can do more with a 3.5 MM jack than your thinking including 5.1. I have a DAT machine that uses the 3.5 inch jack format on the DAT side to provide SPDIF and there’s an adapter to the standard RCA type SPDIF connector. You’re drinking the cool aid to much on the lightning cable, a

Re: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-19 Thread Ricardo Walker
Hi, I think "have to" isn’t the way too look at it. I mean, we didn’t have to abandon the 3.5 floppy, or the optical drive, or traditional hard disks. We didn’t have to abandon CRT monitors, and non USB connections for keyboards and mice. For either form or function, something better comes a lo

Re: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-19 Thread Ricardo Walker
A couple reasons. The first being money. Why pay Apple to license airplay to put in your headphones, when you can just use bluetooth for wireless connectivity. Second is quality. I can tell you, I’ve had airplay drop far more than I’ve had bluetooth drop. hth > On Jan 18, 2016, at 5:12 PM, Ande

Re: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-19 Thread Terje Strømberg
@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, 19 January 2016 2:49 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Apple's headphone scam None of that explains why they have to abandon the headphone jack. Your point about the M4A encoding quality doesn't real

RE: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-19 Thread Simon Fogarty
: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, 19 January 2016 2:49 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Apple's headphone scam None of that explains why they have to abandon the headphone jack. Your point about the M4A encoding qu

Re: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-18 Thread E.T.
hange audio routing. I'd say Airplay has a lot more delay than Bluetooth does, for whatever reason. - Original Message - From: "Christopher-Mark Gilland" To: Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 5:45 PM Subject: Re: Apple's headphone scam I'm wonderring if that ma

Re: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-18 Thread Brent Harding
tooth does, for whatever reason. - Original Message - From: "Christopher-Mark Gilland" To: Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 5:45 PM Subject: Re: Apple's headphone scam I'm wonderring if that may be because there are so many bluetooth model devices out there, that ma

Re: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-18 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
I'm wonderring if that may be because there are so many bluetooth model devices out there, that maybe Apple just didn't see the point. Chris. - Original Message - From: "Anders Holmberg" To: Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 5:12 PM Subject: Re: Apple's headp

Re: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-18 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
: Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 4:36 PM Subject: Re: Apple's headphone scam But if you go to Europe with AC powered devices in tow, you do need adapters. And that concept is exactly what will make this change by Apple quite edible if in fact it is true. From E.T.'s Keyboard...

Re: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-18 Thread Brent Harding
o: "'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries" Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 12:40 PM Subject: Re: Apple's headphone scam I think the issue with Apple “Moving on” is that the consumer is never ready for it. In a sense, that’s a testament to Apple’s forward-thinking approach, but it

Re: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-18 Thread Brent Harding
: Monday, January 18, 2016 7:58 AM Subject: Re: Apple's headphone scam Ray, You! are also failing to see something though. You're point is valid and well taken, don't get me wrong here, but what about those who don't have headphones with a lightning connecter. Or wh

Re: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-18 Thread Anders Holmberg
Hi! One thing i am concerned about is why there’s not any airplay headphones around yet? /A > On 18 Jan 2016, at 15:37, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote: > > I’m afraid I just can’t quite bring myself to be sufficiently moved. I don’t > like planned obsolescence or proprietary standards either, but

Re: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-18 Thread Anders Holmberg
Hi! And why fight about this? Its what it is and we can not do much about it. Even if we sign a petition or anything i don’t think its gonna be worse. Why don’t make voiceover more accessible and more flexible. Personally i would like apple to understand how important voiceover is for us blind peo

Re: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-18 Thread Terje Strømberg
d truly get that benefit is no adapter. Plug directly in, which means new headphones for us, which means more marketting by Apple, and more money for Apple. I'm just sayin'. Chris. - Original Message - From: Ray Foret Jr To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, Janua

Re: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-18 Thread E.T.
To: "'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries" Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 4:17 PM Subject: Re: Apple's headphone scam Standards are good. I love standards. Europe standardised on Micro USB so iPhone users could charge from many points. Apple’s response was to make u

Re: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-18 Thread Sabahattin Gucukoglu
Hi Chris, No, you could continue to use Lightning. Europe simply standardised the universal charger to be Micro USB. In other words, your phone had to support it, somehow, in order to be compliant. This was intended to reduce electrical waste, a laudable goal in itself, by reducing the numbe

Re: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-18 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
aries@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 4:17 PM Subject: Re: Apple's headphone scam Maybe a one finger triple press. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 18, 2016, at 3:15 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: What I! want to know is, if they're doing away with the home button,

Re: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-18 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
t: Monday, January 18, 2016 4:17 PM Subject: Re: Apple's headphone scam Standards are good. I love standards. Europe standardised on Micro USB so iPhone users could charge from many points. Apple’s response was to make us an adaptor, at cost, which is not available outside the EEA. Th

Re: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-18 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
: Monday, January 18, 2016 3:25 PM Subject: Re: Apple's headphone scam if this shockingly stupid decision is taken by apple do you think adapters would become available? this would be a very stupid decision, think of the bad press is what i would be screaming at them. On 19 Jan 2

Re: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-18 Thread Sabahattin Gucukoglu
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Re: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-18 Thread Devin Prater
which I'm > quite confident they will do so. > > Chris. > > - Original Message - > From: David Chittenden > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 2:12 PM > Subject: Re: Apple's headphone scam > > According to variou

Re: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-18 Thread Sabahattin Gucukoglu
Standards are good. I love standards. Europe standardised on Micro USB so iPhone users could charge from many points. Apple’s response was to make us an adaptor, at cost, which is not available outside the EEA. This rather negated its purpose, of course; now you had to remember to bring the

Re: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-18 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
ary 18, 2016 2:12 PM Subject: Re: Apple's headphone scam According to various rumour sources, there are a few reasons Apple is likely to abandon the headset jack. Thin iPhone - the iPhone is as thin as it can be currently. Apple likes thin devices, and so do several 'people I have a

Re: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-18 Thread Devin Prater
6, at 3:06 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland > wrote: > > Wut? > > LOL! > > Chris. > > - Original Message - From: "Sabahattin Gucukoglu" > To: "'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries" > Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 11:18 AM >

Re: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-18 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
Wut? LOL! Chris. - Original Message - From: "Sabahattin Gucukoglu" To: "'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries" Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 11:18 AM Subject: Re: Apple's headphone scam On 18 Jan 2016, at 15:44, George Cassell wrote: I came in

Re: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-18 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
6 10:44 AM Subject: Re: Apple's headphone scam I came in a little late on this thread. Will somebody please tell me who is the Democrat and who is the Republican in this debate? On Jan 18, 2016, at 5:49 AM, 'onlineeagle' via MacVisionaries wrote: None of that

Re: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-18 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
as going to use headphones, I'd go the bluetooth route. Chris. - Original Message - From: "E.T." To: Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 10:36 AM Subject: Re: Apple's headphone scam Change is ever so very difficult yet change is exactly what brings us to this point in

Re: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-18 Thread Devin Prater
ctly functional, or stand in >>>>>> line overnight to get that new Apple TV. >>>>>> >>>>>> So Apple has very good reason for change. Its simple. People want >>>>>> change. >>>>>> >>>>>&

Re: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-18 Thread E.T.
have a lightning plug on the end, like your charger, instead of the rounded 3.5M plug. Chris. - Original Message - *From:* Kawal Gucukoglu <mailto:kgli...@icloud.com> *To:* Macvisionaries <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> *Sent:* Monday, January 18, 2016 10:01 AM

Re: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-18 Thread Michael Marshall
;>>>> So Apple has very good reason for change. Its simple. People want >>>>> change. >>>>> >>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard... >>>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com >>>>> Many believe that we have been visited >>>>

Re: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-18 Thread Michael Marshall
new Apple TV. >>>>> >>>>> So Apple has very good reason for change. Its simple. People want >>>>> change. >>>>> >>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard... >>>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com >>>>> Many b

Re: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-18 Thread Sabahattin Gucukoglu
I don’t suppose Activision will mind too terribly if you buy the Lost Treasures app, then unpack it and extract the game data files, which you can then play in Frotz. It would be the honest thing to do if you’ve paid for them. But, honestly, these games have been so thoroughly treasured and loo

Re: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-18 Thread 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
age - *From:* Kawal Gucukoglu <mailto:kgli...@icloud.com> *To:* Macvisionaries <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> *Sent:* Monday, January 18, 2016 10:01 AM *Subject:* Re: Apple's headphone scam Please could someone tell me how headphones could fit in a lightening

Re: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-18 Thread Christina C.
Hmm, I’m not convinced that making the thinnest iPhone ever is their priority. The newest iPhone is a tad thicker than the previous year and I personally think that a better battery should be the priority over a thinner phone. That’s just me though. I believe their are other waterproof phones on

Re: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-18 Thread E.T.
And there is the Lost Treasures iOS app which was last updated in 2013 but last I read, it was not accessible. From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were true? On 1/18/2016 11:17 AM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionarie

Re: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-18 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries
E.T. wrote: >Oh Zork! Is it still alive? I never got far in it but twas a neat text > advcenture game. If I remember correctly, it was made freely available by the current copyright holder. You should be able to use it under OS X in the terminal with an interpreter program such as Frotz, whi

Re: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-18 Thread David Chittenden
According to various rumour sources, there are a few reasons Apple is likely to abandon the headset jack. Thin iPhone - the iPhone is as thin as it can be currently. Apple likes thin devices, and so do several 'people I have asked. The jack needs to go for any thinner to be possible. Water res

Re: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-18 Thread E.T.
ke your charger, instead of the rounded 3.5M plug. Chris. - Original Message - *From:* Kawal Gucukoglu <mailto:kgli...@icloud.com> *To:* Macvisionaries <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> *Sent:* Monday, January 18, 2016 10:01 AM *Subject:* Re: Apple's

Re: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-18 Thread 'onlineeagle' via MacVisionaries
l, or stand in >>>>> line overnight to get that new Apple TV. >>>>> >>>>> So Apple has very good reason for change. Its simple. People want >>>>> change. >>>>> >>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard... >>>>>

Re: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-18 Thread Sabahattin Gucukoglu
I think the issue with Apple “Moving on” is that the consumer is never ready for it. In a sense, that’s a testament to Apple’s forward-thinking approach, but it also means that they are the first to draw the fire for having the audacity to bring something to market without standardising it by c

Re: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-18 Thread Karen Lewellen
ger, instead of the rounded 3.5M plug. Chris. - Original Message - *From:* Kawal Gucukoglu <mailto:kgli...@icloud.com> *To:* Macvisionaries <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> *Sent:* Monday, January 18, 2016 10:01 AM *Subject:* Re: Apple's headphone scam

Re: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-18 Thread 'onlineeagle' via MacVisionaries
ry good reason for change. Its simple. People want >>>> change. >>>> >>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard... >>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com >>>> Many believe that we have been visited >>>> in the past. What if it were tr

Re: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-18 Thread Jonathan Mosen
>> So Apple has very good reason for change. Its simple. People want >>>> change. >>>> >>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard... >>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com >>>> Many believe that we have been visited >>>> in the past. What if it

Re: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-18 Thread Christina C.
Bottom line for me is that I trust apple. I have for years. They say if you are an apple fan to never get too attached to anything because apple likes to change things up. :) No company is perfect so I don’t expect perfection but I do trust that if apple makes a change it will all be just fine.

Re: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-18 Thread 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
the end, like your charger, instead of the rounded 3.5M plug. Chris. - Original Message - *From:* Kawal Gucukoglu <mailto:kgli...@icloud.com> *To:* Macvisionaries <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> *Sent:* Monday, January 18, 2016 10:01 AM *Subject:* Re: Appl

Re: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-18 Thread E.T.
.com> *Sent:* Monday, January 18, 2016 10:01 AM *Subject:* Re: Apple's headphone scam Please could someone tell me how headphones could fit in a lightening adaptor? You mean there would be a different kind of thing to put in a socket? I don’t understand this headph

Re: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-18 Thread 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
gt; *To:* Macvisionaries <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> *Sent:* Monday, January 18, 2016 10:01 AM *Subject:* Re: Apple's headphone scam Please could someone tell me how headphones could fit in a lightening adaptor? You mean there would be a different kind

Re: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-18 Thread Sabahattin Gucukoglu
On 18 Jan 2016, at 15:44, George Cassell wrote: > I came in a little late on this thread. Will somebody please tell me who is > the Democrat and who is the Republican in this debate? Never mind that—where’s the link to Nazi Germany on this thread? -- The following information is important for

Re: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-18 Thread George Cassell
I came in a little late on this thread. Will somebody please tell me who is the Democrat and who is the Republican in this debate? On Jan 18, 2016, at 5:49 AM, 'onlineeagle' via MacVisionaries wrote: > None of that explains why they have to abandon the headphone jack. Your point > about the

Re: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-18 Thread E.T.
Gucukoglu <mailto:kgli...@icloud.com> *To:* Macvisionaries <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> *Sent:* Monday, January 18, 2016 10:01 AM *Subject:* Re: Apple's headphone scam Please could someone tell me how headphones could fit in a lightening adaptor?

Re: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-18 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 10:01 AM Subject: Re: Apple's headphone scam Please could someone tell me how headphones could fit in a lightening adaptor? You mean there would be a different kind of thing to put in a socket? I don’t understand this headphone lightening connector thin

Re: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-18 Thread Kawal Gucukoglu
Please could someone tell me how headphones could fit in a lightening adaptor? You mean there would be a different kind of thing to put in a socket? I don’t understand this headphone lightening connector thing. When I sell my I phones, I normally sell the headphones as well if they are still w

Re: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-18 Thread Sabahattin Gucukoglu
I’m afraid I just can’t quite bring myself to be sufficiently moved. I don’t like planned obsolescence or proprietary standards either, but I’m also in the market for a new pair of travel headphones, and I actually would love a digital path between my iPhone and my headset. I was not among tho

Re: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-18 Thread Ray Foret Jr
s, which means more marketting > by Apple, and more money for Apple. > > I'm just sayin'. > > Chris. > >> - Original Message - >> From: Ray Foret Jr <mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net> >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mail

Re: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-18 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
ies@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 8:49 AM Subject: Re: Apple's headphone scam None of that explains why they have to abandon the headphone jack. Your point about the M4A encoding quality doesn't really address the issue, which is that ITunes and Apple Music do not pr

Re: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-18 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 7:09 AM Subject: Re: Apple's headphone scam Frankly, I think you are looking for a reason to abandin Apple anyway. Sounds like it to me. I know that audio can both be received by the lightning jack as well as send it out. Furthermore,

Re: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-18 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
ter. Plug directly in, which means new headphones for us, which means more marketting by Apple, and more money for Apple. I'm just sayin'. Chris. - Original Message - From: Ray Foret Jr To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 6:17 AM S

Re: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-18 Thread 'onlineeagle' via MacVisionaries
None of that explains why they have to abandon the headphone jack. Your point about the M4A encoding quality doesn't really address the issue, which is that ITunes and Apple Music do not provide as good audio quality as other providers. Surely, you are own guessing Apple's reasons for implimenti

Re: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-18 Thread Ray Foret Jr
Frankly, I think you are looking for a reason to abandin Apple anyway. Sounds like it to me. I know that audio can both be received by the lightning jack as well as send it out. Furthermore, the lightning jack can render true 5.1 channel sound. Can your precious 3.5 MM jack do that? Of cou

Re: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-18 Thread 'onlineeagle' via MacVisionaries
Does seem like a cynical money making scheme. There's no reason why they can't have both options. All this means is that potentially people are going to find there old headphones redundant. If Apple provide lightning to headphone jack adapters then maybe this won't be so bad, but Apple are prett

Re: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-18 Thread Ray Foret Jr
I would advise having nothing to do with this. You are overlooking an obvious benefit; and it's not just more money for Apple: rather it's this. The plain fact is that it's better to lose the headphone jack because you can get much better audio out of the lightning connecter than you can out