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Axil,You omitted radiation. See the Chan comment for turning that into electrical power at:http://open-source-energy.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=659&page=43 Hound Dog"Axil AxilSat, 03 Nov 2012 14:44:39 -0700 This variety of experiment should measure, total energy input versus totalenergy

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This variety of experiment should measure, total energy input versus total energy output. To properly get this result, should not the hydrogen and oxygen be recombined to produce heat output? This energy of gas recombination should be added to the heat produced in the electrolyte solution for a pr

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I have no problem with sharing--there has been too little of that so far. I've been planning at some point to set up a site to detail the work so others could do it if they would like. With the app I have written, there would be no problem with having it upload data to a server after the run is c

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If at some point you think you see something, are you interested in making your data series (for both good and unsuccessful runs) available? Doing would have the following tradeoffs: + you would be helping to advance hobbyist science - you would no longer have the inside scoop into whatever is h

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I have not yet tried KOH. Once I get all the kinks worked out of this, there is no reason I couldn't run several simultaneous electrolytic cells (recording data from all). On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 1:21 AM, Axil Axil wrote: > Have you tryed potassium hydroxide, the Blacklight Electrolyte? > > Axi

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Have you tryed potassium hydroxide, the Blacklight Electrolyte? Axil. On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 7:10 AM, Jack Cole wrote: > I shot a little video of my latest experiment with borax. It is > controlled with an Android phone, IOIO microcontroller, and relay bank. I > am switching back and forth b

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Started a new run this evening. I finished the coding for a fully automated experimental series, and I'm running a trial run to make sure everything is working correctly. For the trial run, here is my procedure: Run a 3 minute baseline with no power to collect temp data. Run a 5 minute run with

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There are some interesting pieces of equipment on this website that may be useful in experimenting. http://www.amazing1.com/hv-hf-power-supplies.htm In particular, I'm thinking the high frequency AC would be useful in inducing high surface current flow in the electrodes (i.e., Robert Godes method

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Chuck, I blew my wall wort power supplies. The IOIO board current for USB charging was set to low causing my phone to lose a connection with the board. This then caused the AC and DC supplies to short together. Which is not that big of a deal as I still have some that I haven't burned up yet.

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Thanks Jack for the find. Good info. I love the idea of doing a CF experiment via an Android phone app. Just add a couple of thermistors and a hacked together current and voltage multi-meter function and you will have all necessary measurements for calorimetry data collection. How is the exper

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Thanks Chuck. It's a fun hobby. I don't program in Java having done so much in visual basic over the years. Fortunately, I found a language for Android that is very much like VB called Basic4Android. It has a library

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Thanks for sharing the video Jack. I really like how your controlling that with and Android and IOIO microcontroller.I'm a beginner Android developer and the little IOIO PIC device is really cool.That is a great way of doing a duty cycle on the AC/DC. Here is a nice discussion on the IOIO

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Terry Blanton wrote: Checked the labels. I think you will find that most distilled water > has also been deionized. > Note that at grocery stores they sell both distilled water and purified water. You want the distilled type. - Jed

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owders are added. > > Dave > > > > -Original Message- > From: MarkI-ZeroPoint > To: vortex-l > Sent: Fri, Oct 26, 2012 1:43 am > Subject: RE: [Vo]:New Experiment Started > > Dave, > Sorry if I missed it, but are you using tap water, or distilled/deionized >

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Checked the labels. I think you will find that most distilled water has also been deionized.

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tilled water (commonly used in steam irons). Deionized water can be obtained from any chemical supply house. -Mark From: David Roberson [mailto:dlrober...@aol.com] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 10:11 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Experiment Started Hello Mark,

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location is of excellent quality and exhibits an extremely large impedance until the powders are added. Dave -Original Message- From: MarkI-ZeroPoint To: vortex-l Sent: Fri, Oct 26, 2012 1:43 am Subject: RE: [Vo]:New Experiment Started Dave, Sorry if I missed it, but are you using

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Dave, Sorry if I missed it, but are you using tap water, or distilled/deionized water? -mark From: David Roberson [mailto:dlrober...@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 9:57 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Experiment Started That appears like a pretty good process

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: Chuck Sites To: vortex-l Sent: Thu, Oct 25, 2012 11:33 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Experiment Started Jack, that is just about right. On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 4:27 PM, Jack Cole wrote: Dear Dave, You wrote: Chuck, have you given consideration to some process that might treat the CuB2O3 or

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ot carcinogenic. The smoke I breathed was definitely not water vapor. >> >> Chuck, have you given consideration to some process that might treat >> the CuB2O3 or NiB2O3 differently so that the copper might be taken away >> from the nickel surface selectively? It might be pos

Re: [Vo]:New Experiment Started -- Sodium + Epsom Salts explosion

Nice reference Alan, Yes, I also encourage the basement experimentalist to be-careful with these experiments. The boranes (ie. B_x H_y) can be toxic, and even explosive. B2H4 is rocket fuel. Throw sodium in the mix, hydrogen and oxygen, Its like lighting a match. Chemically. I ran these ty

Re: [Vo]:New Experiment Started -- Sodium + Epsom Salts explosion

Another warning on electrolysis and stuff http://www.iscmns.org/CMNS/JCMNS-Vol9.pdf  p64 Lakshmanan During sodium metal dissolution in aqueous Epsom salts, it was accidentally discovered that a massive explosion occurs in 0.85 M Epsom solution on the completion of Na dissolution.  ... However, a

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to some process that might treat the > CuB2O3 or NiB2O3 differently so that the copper might be taken away from > the nickel surface selectively? It might be possible to selectively erode > the copper leaving NAE in large quantities. > > Dave > > P.S. AC in my posting is standa

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. -Original Message- From: Chuck Sites To: vortex-l Sent: Thu, Oct 25, 2012 12:02 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Experiment Started Good Luck with the new experiments David. I think you will see some interesting effects. Regarding the sparks and light flashes, I ran across a paper that

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Good Luck with the new experiments David. I think you will see some interesting effects. Regarding the sparks and light flashes, I ran across a paper that describes an spark effect, but it was seen in the 100-140Volt range. Horace Heffner describes it in his paper; http://www.mtaonline.net/~h

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: Re: [Vo]:New Experiment Started It is time for a change in my experimentation. I spent a lot of time and energy with the sodium carbonate electrolyte and DC current without being able to report any proven excess power. There is evidence that the Borax electrolyte might lead to more definitive

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It is time for a change in my experimentation. I spent a lot of time and energy with the sodium carbonate electrolyte and DC current without being able to report any proven excess power. There is evidence that the Borax electrolyte might lead to more definitive results so that is what I began

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Le Oct 19, 2012 à 4:34 PM, David Roberson a écrit : > I still believe that this effect is of a chemical nature and not LENR. I > wonder if the concentration of heat within a small volume is causing the > carbonate to decompose and escape. There exists the possibility that some > hydrogen or

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strange effect? Dave -Original Message- From: David Roberson To: vortex-l Sent: Thu, Oct 18, 2012 1:43 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Experiment Started The flashes of light that emit a puff of smoke may be occurring somewhat like you describe. The fact that they are located only in the

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is of a chemical nature. If it is an LENR > effect, then everyone should be able to experience it as it happens with > regularity. > > (Poor Dave mumbles to himself as he experiences a short period of brain > death due to his attempt to describe the indescribable.) > > Dave &

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short period of brain death due to his attempt to describe the indescribable.) Dave -Original Message- From: Jeff Berkowitz To: vortex-l Sent: Thu, Oct 18, 2012 12:24 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Experiment Started It's possible that as the electrolyte evaporates, and there i

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ouch when out of the cell. I wonder if the excess burst > > of energy due to capacitor discharge is evolved in the activity. > > > > This behavior appears every time I allow the electrolyte to boil until the > > cell is almost dry. > > > > Dave > > > > &g

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gt; -Original Message- > From: Eric Walker > To: vortex-l > Sent: Tue, Oct 16, 2012 11:43 pm > Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Experiment Started > > On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 4:35 PM, David Roberson wrote: > >> I finally obtained a safe alternative that is working at the moment

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t; From: Eric Walker > To: vortex-l > Sent: Tue, Oct 16, 2012 11:43 pm > Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Experiment Started > > On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 4:35 PM, David Roberson wrote: > >> I finally obtained a safe alternative that is working at the moment. I am >> getting spark

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time I allow the electrolyte to boil until the cell is almost dry. Dave -Original Message- From: Eric Walker To: vortex-l Sent: Tue, Oct 16, 2012 11:43 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Experiment Started On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 4:35 PM, David Roberson wrote: I finally obtained a safe

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On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 4:35 PM, David Roberson wrote: I finally obtained a safe alternative that is working at the moment. I am > getting sparks and all. Thanks for the idea. Does anyone know if sparks are common? What is the amperage per cm^2? Eric

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amount of energy contained > within the captured hydrogen since a bad calculation could be dangerous. > Please give me guidance before I reconnect this beast as it now is on > standby. > > Dave > > > -Original Message- > From: David Roberson > To: vortex-l

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I finally obtained a safe alternative that is working at the moment. I am getting sparks and all. Thanks for the idea. Dave -Original Message- From: Axil Axil To: vortex-l Sent: Tue, Oct 16, 2012 5:28 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Experiment Started would two jars connented by a

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Message- From: Alan J Fletcher To: vortex-l Sent: Tue, Oct 16, 2012 3:30 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Experiment Started At 11:30 AM 10/16/2012, David Roberson wrote: I knowthat I will have sparks and small flames as with the open system so now Iwould like to know if there is significant

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would two jars connented by a wire work? http://www.water4gasstore.com/product-p/dmjs002.htm Cheers:Axil On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 3:30 PM, Alan J Fletcher wrote: > At 11:30 AM 10/16/2012, David Roberson wrote: > > I know that I will have sparks and small flames as with the open system so

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As others have pointed out, the only safe answer is to treat all electrolysis experiments with respect, doing them with adequate ventilation, whether that means under a fume hood or outdoors or the like. Of course we may break these rules and get away with many things, up until the unfortunate mom

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At 11:30 AM 10/16/2012, David Roberson wrote: I know that I will have sparks and small flames as with the open system so now I would like to know if there is significant danger of explosion.  Is anyone aware of reports of a relatively low volume open to the air glass cell exploding and causing in

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reconnect this beast as it now is on standby. Dave -Original Message- From: David Roberson To: vortex-l Sent: Mon, Oct 15, 2012 8:45 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Experiment Started One final note that I want to include. I allowed the experiment to go into the unusual mode for the third

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a can > be obtained. > > A most interesting afternoon. > > Dave > > > -Original Message- > From: David Roberson > To: vortex-l > Sent: Mon, Oct 15, 2012 5:35 pm > Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Experiment Started > > I have an interesting addition to this report

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-Original Message- From: David Roberson To: vortex-l Sent: Mon, Oct 15, 2012 5:35 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Experiment Started I have an interesting addition to this report. After I cleaned up the deposits and added water and electrolyte I let my experiment continue electrolysis. The effect

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idea what is occurring. Dave -Original Message- From: David Roberson To: vortex-l Sent: Mon, Oct 15, 2012 3:54 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Experiment Started I had an exciting afternoon. I replaced my control nickel with the 40 plus hour heat treated one that resembles an old penny now

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I had an exciting afternoon. I replaced my control nickel with the 40 plus hour heat treated one that resembles an old penny now and began electrolysis. The reading of voltage was a bit unusual after the first hour of operation so I replenished the water and added a little additional sodium ca

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Abd, Thanks for your explanation. That is very helpful. Here is my raw data if you are interested. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmQQao2qEYIfdE9rTlplRVZ0STI0a1IwaGlXWVNWbGc I do think chemistry is happening with the Borax. Jack On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 11:08 AM, Abd ul-Rahman Lo

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At 01:04 AM 10/15/2012, David Roberson wrote: It will be interesting to see how well the stainless steel holds up. I tried a stainless steel spoon as an electrode and it worked fairly well but eventually began to rust. Perhaps the quality of steel makes a difference. 316L stainless steel is

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All of this work is suspect. First of all, an intepretive issue. First of all, the definition of COP. COP (Coefficient of Performance): A measurement of the instantaneous efficiency of heating or cooling equipment. It represents the steady-state rate of energy output of the equipment divided b

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Thanks for the clarification. My intention there was to calculate watt-hours and to convert that to BTU in the next step. Is this good enough to get a rough estimate? I know it would be much better to have a data logger and do the measurements more frequently. I might do that at some point, but

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At 06:28 AM 10/15/2012, Jack Cole wrote: Input power. W = ((Amperage at Time 1 + Amperage at Time 2) / 2) * ((Voltage at Time 1 + Voltage at Time 2) / 2) * (Minutes in interval / 60) You are going to go nuts if you don't keep your units straight, and don't keep in mind the difference betwee

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hat the system has stabilized. >>>>> >>>>> My plans are to continue to test the heat treated sample for a >>>>> number of additional hours before I try an alternate technique to modify >>>>> the surface of this nickel or others. One inter

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decision tomorrow. Dave -Original Message- From: Jack Cole To: vortex-l Sent: Sun, Oct 14, 2012 5:22 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Experiment Started Better results today, but still under-unity. I replaced the anode with 4 stainless steel washers soldered directly to the wire. Starting

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looks very much like a copper penny in >>>> appearance. The surface coloration can not be wiped off with vigorous >>>> rubbing of a paper towel. The raised letters have a shiny copper look that >>>> does not exhibit any of the standard nickel shine. You would think that >&g

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enny by appearance although the normal >>> nickel features are intact. >>> >>> As always, my test nickel is connected with leads to the negative >>> terminal of the supply. A second nickel acts as my positive supply >>> electrode. This is the confi

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is connected with leads to the negative >> terminal of the supply. A second nickel acts as my positive supply >> electrode. This is the configuration that should expose the test nickel to >> hydrogen by electrolysis. >> >> Dave >> >> >> >> --

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to > hydrogen by electrolysis. > > Dave > > > > -Original Message- > From: Jack Cole > To: vortex-l > Sent: Sat, Oct 13, 2012 8:52 pm > Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Experiment Started > > Hi Dave, > > I will be interested to know your results. Th

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configuration that should expose the test nickel to hydrogen by electrolysis. Dave -Original Message- From: Jack Cole To: vortex-l Sent: Sat, Oct 13, 2012 8:52 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Experiment Started Hi Dave, I will be interested to know your results. This evening, I started an

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Hi Dave, I will be interested to know your results. This evening, I started an experiment using my repeatedly-treated nickels (8) on a small thoriated tungsten rod. I'm using a penny connected to a chrome plated alligator clip for my anode (+). My last few runs seemed to show excess heat, but l