Re: (313) one for the disco heads
excellent link - thanks. bummer it's only streaming. maybe it's time to test out the 'capture stream function' on audion. four mixes devoted to patrick adams! and it includes: Golden Flamingo Orchestra Feat. Margo Williams: The GUardian Angel Is Watching Over Us (Golden Flamingo) 12" i can't start the day or go to sleep without hearing this track. james www.jbucknell.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] com To 30/09/04 03:35 PM 313@hyperreal.org cc Subject (313) one for the disco heads I know there's a few disco lovers on the list, apologies to those who hate it. check this: http://www.ebonycuts.com/ nice radio shows w/ rare jams! good for listening at work, and finding a few new cuts to hunt down. _ - End of message text Is your business ready for the new era of accounting? http://www.ifrs.co.uk This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring. ForwardSourceID:NT00013D3A
(313) [Fwd: FW: EAR techno declaration of an EU boycott and an END TOEUROPEAN insourcing of TECHNO MUSIC]
here is something i was asked to post to the 313 list... Original Message Subject: FW: EAR techno declaration of an EU boycott and an END TOEUROPEAN insourcing of TECHNO MUSIC From:"Mani Miglani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date:Thu, September 30, 2004 5:52 pm To: "Carrie Miglani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Subject: EAR techno declaration of an EU boycott and an END TO EUROPEAN insourcing of TECHNO MUSIC The year 2004 has been an eye-opening one for myself and the obS/ EAR collective. For 28 years of my life I have always looked outward when it came to many aspects of my existence (my cultural identity, even appreciation from others and my choices in music). For a long time obS/EAR existed as an entity which assisted in marketing EU artists and beyond into the US. However, a trip to India (my cultural homeland) after a 19 year absence, a trip to Detroit - one of techno's homelands to visit with Mike Banks, Murat's visit of the Chicago offices, the Parental Advisory tour that ended in Bigfork Minnesota, the Advent West Coast Tour with Murat, Tetric, SOG, Twonz and Man Dude Bryan along with a few other events that included spiritual places and books - I have decided to make a major change in the way EAR considers techno music from here on as an individual organization and collective of artists. I have decided that I am going to begin looking inward. This means that this collective of artists will remain tied to the American scene and American DJs as it is our artists who need the assistance, the monetary funds and even the recognition that is deserved and lacking. I cannot sit by any longer and watch what was created here in the States get redone and sold back to us at import prices. Yet, we have made an exception with two artists: The Advent and Steve Rachmad as they have shown their respect to the American sound and to the scenes in Chicago and Detroit respectively, while also pioneering their own sounds and even actually helping the American scene and its artists. Below is the current EAR Roster with a few purposeful omissions, as I have not yet been able to talk over the changes with some of the non-exclusive current members of E.A.R. (the artists you can book direct through themselves anyway). E.A.R. CURRENT ROSTER (12 acts) Manish Miglani... aka dj mani... Chicago, USA via New Delhi, India Murat... New Jersey via Istambul, Turkey The Advent... London, UK via Madiera, Portugal G Flame... London, UK via Madiera, Portugal Steve Rachmad... Amsterdam, Holland via Surinam, a Dutch colony SOG... Portland, Oregon Tetsuji Miwa... Portland, Oregon via Nagoya, Japan Magda... Berlin, Germany via Detroit, USA Twonz... Detroit, USA Mike Huckaby... Detroit, USA Mike Dearborn... Chicago, USA Robin Porter... Los Angeles, USA via London, UK The new website to be posted soon will accurately and definitively reflect our technology initiative through the obS Productions Inc. and our now US-centric aims in marketing American Techno Music, or the soon to be not-for-profit E.A.R./ Are You Techno? Collective. Most importantly, special thanks to my family in Chicago ILLINOIS, Bowling Green, KENTUCKY, Big Fork, MINNESOTA, New Delhi and Gaziabad, INDIA, and others in my immediate family. In addition, major respect and gratitude to Cisco Ferreira, Murat, Tetsuji Miwa, SOG and Mike Banks from UR for helping me en-lighten myself and guiding me on a path I must follow. Lastly, I depart with this. Why is that the USA is up in arms when technology jobs are outsourced to India and China, yet not at all DISGUSTED when the European magazines and scene come into our scenes demanding huge fees and arriving with difficult attitudes, resulting to a trend of the US getting InSourced...? How many US artists do you know with day jobs, more talent than the the headliner flown in on business class, yet that same cat plays his/her heart out for a few measly bucks after working a full time work week and has to watch a premadonna global talent get paid tens of thousands and refuse to play a minute longer than the contract. It is not proper and I am personally making a stand with my collective of artists... Peace Namaste Love and Respect If you feel the same way, contact me and drop me a line or two. Manish Miglani aka dj mani -- End of Forwarded Message
Re: (313) Rick Wilhite Soul Edge EP Still Music
Rick Wilhite mixed: Omar S - For Us All [Rick Wilhite mix] (fxhe, 2004) it comes in at 54 minutes on http://www.jbucknell.com/deepdetroit.mp3 james www.jbucknell.com Jason Brunton <[EMAIL PROTECTED] m> To <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 30/09/04 07:36 PM cc 313 <313@hyperreal.org> Subject Re: (313) Rick Wilhite Soul Edge EP Still Music He's also invloved in at least one of the Omar S releases too Jason On 30 Sep 2004, at 19:08, Thomas D. Cox, Jr. wrote: > -- Original Message -- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> Just flicked through a promo of the mentioned Rick Wilhite release. >> >> It's very very good, infact, I'd go as far as to say it's one of my >> favourite things by him. > > he hasnt actually put out that much stuff that im aware of. i have > the godson 1 but not 2, and i have the UK release of the soul edge > 12". plus the tunes he did on the beatdown comp, and the first 2 3 > chairs joints, and the one on abstract fusion 2, plus the rmx (i > think huckaby did it?) of his tune on the beatdown rmxes 12". > pretty much everything he's done is one of my favorite things by > him : ) > > i guess if i had to pick, id choose godfather 1. great 12", and > one of the least popular KDJs. > > tom > > > andythepooh.com > > > > > ForwardSourceID:NT00013D72
Re: (313) This weekend: Stewart Walker, Christian Bloch West Coast appearances
- Greg (who's wondering what, if any, buzz there is on this Parade) They got flyers out pretty late, but there's been a lot of promotion in the last week or so in the city. They had a big thing in the paper about it http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2004/09/26/PKGAK8RJ0Q1.DTL . There's a half dozen official after/pre/parties and a lot of unofficial ones too. In addition to Stewart Walker, Jon Selway is playing a party friday night http://www.tokyoelectric.com/ , and Christian Smith is doing a 3 table set friday night at one of the "official" love parade preparties (Info Line: 415 462 9526).
RE: (313) EU Boycott and an End To European Insourcing Of Techno Music
> Lastly, I depart with this. Why is that the USA is up in arms when > technology jobs are outsourced to India and China, yet not at all > DISGUSTED when the European magazines and scene come into our scenes > demanding huge fees and arriving with difficult attitudes, resulting to a > trend of the US getting InSourced...? No offence meant to anyone, but this is one of the most ridiculous things I've read in the last few months (at least). Is this a prank? What does an "EU boycott" achieve other than a totally needless attack on the global nature of the techno scene? I'm surprised to see this sort of aggressively isolationist mentality creeping into this field of electronic music. Besides, it's not even a consistent decision: "this collective of artists will remain tied to the American scene and American DJs", it says, but when you look at the E.A.R. roster, it's not exactly composed of rootin' tootin' pure-as-apple-pie Americans by any means. Anyway, maybe I'm over-reacting a bit. Are we going to see a "patriotic techno tour" of the Bible Belt states in the near future? Bootlegs of "French Kiss" coming out, renamed "Freedom Kiss"? It's all a bit strange, and depressing in a way. Brendan
Re: (313) [Fwd: FW: EAR techno declaration of an EU boycott and an END TOEUROPEAN insourcing of TECHNO MUSIC]
Hey. Brendan, you're far more level headed and articulate than me, but yeah, guess what, I gotta say my piece about this idiot. >I cannot sit by any longer and watch what was created here in >the States get redone and sold back to us at import prices. Oh yeah? What exactly did the US create? Would you like to argue techno was 'created' in America? Well, sht. I thought we'd been through that. A name was invented in America. That's for sure. >when the European magazines and scene come into our scenes >demanding huge fees and arriving with difficult attitudes WHAT??? WHAT!!! ARE YOU HAVING A TIN BATH? LIKE WHERE THE F**K DO THE MAJORITY OF U.S TECHNO DJ'S MAKE THEIR MONEY? WHERE DO THEY SELL ALL THEIR RECORDS? Difficult attitudes? Oh my word, oh my word. You are just unreal. I'm starting to think you are taking the p*ss. >How many US artists do you know >with day jobs, more talent than the the headliner flown in on business >class, yet that same cat plays his/her heart out for a few measly bucks >after working a full time work week and has to watch a premadonna global >talent get paid tens of thousands and refuse to play a minute longer than >the contract. I would hazard a guess that there's far more europeans that this applies to that Americans. Listen, I don't even know if you're on the list, but come back and talk to us when you've removed your head from your arse will you? >Love and Respect Respect? Where exactly do you show any respect in this email? twat. oh yeah, and if you have time, answer my questions. _ - End of message text Is your business ready for the new era of accounting? http://www.ifrs.co.uk This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
Re: (313) EU Boycott and an End To European Insourcing Of Techno Music
yeah all that confused me too. it would make sense if it was something about european artists that was stopping the US scene develop or were stifling it. i didnt think that was the case at all. a lot of american artists are choosing to move to europe for one reason or another, which is a separate discussion which may not be appropriate for this list. maybe that is what is being referred to here. also, the primadonna djs/artists part is a problem over in europe too surely? anyway, i'm european and may have it all wrong. maybe the US folk see things differently? robin... On 1 Oct 2004, at 09:34, Brendan Nelson wrote: Lastly, I depart with this. Why is that the USA is up in arms when technology jobs are outsourced to India and China, yet not at all DISGUSTED when the European magazines and scene come into our scenes demanding huge fees and arriving with difficult attitudes, resulting to a trend of the US getting InSourced...? No offence meant to anyone, but this is one of the most ridiculous things I've read in the last few months (at least). Is this a prank? What does an "EU boycott" achieve other than a totally needless attack on the global nature of the techno scene? I'm surprised to see this sort of aggressively isolationist mentality creeping into this field of electronic music. Besides, it's not even a consistent decision: "this collective of artists will remain tied to the American scene and American DJs", it says, but when you look at the E.A.R. roster, it's not exactly composed of rootin' tootin' pure-as-apple-pie Americans by any means. Anyway, maybe I'm over-reacting a bit. Are we going to see a "patriotic techno tour" of the Bible Belt states in the near future? Bootlegs of "French Kiss" coming out, renamed "Freedom Kiss"? It's all a bit strange, and depressing in a way. Brendan
Re: (313) USA Boycott
Tell you what. You and your mates can go whistle for my hard earned. I literally have to work 2 hours to buy a US Import. I sick of this s**t, spouted by idiots with some sort of anti euro agenda. I'm not buying any more new US techno records. That includes all my favourite labels, you can go f**king whistle for it. And worse, you say Mad Mike, Cisco Ferrraria etc put you up to it. Well they can go whistle for my hard earned and all. _ - End of message text Is your business ready for the new era of accounting? http://www.ifrs.co.uk This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
Re: (313) EU Boycott and an End To European Insourcing Of Techno Music
I have to agree with you Brendan- the is no way in the world that European DJ's have a monopoly on being bad-attitude, money grabbers- I know enough club promoters to have heard 1000 different storied about supposedly "underground" US DJ's acting like prima donna twats. That doesn't EVER make we want to set up a "no US DJ's here please" barrier around our club scene- treat the twats like twats and give respect to those who have respect for you and what you do.. cheers Jason No offence meant to anyone, but this is one of the most ridiculous things I've read in the last few months (at least). Is this a prank? What does an "EU boycott" achieve other than a totally needless attack on the global nature of the techno scene? I'm surprised to see this sort of aggressively isolationist mentality creeping into this field of electronic music. Besides, it's not even a consistent decision: "this collective of artists will remain tied to the American scene and American DJs", it says, but when you look at the E.A.R. roster, it's not exactly composed of rootin' tootin' pure-as-apple-pie Americans by any means. Anyway, maybe I'm over-reacting a bit. Are we going to see a "patriotic techno tour" of the Bible Belt states in the near future? Bootlegs of "French Kiss" coming out, renamed "Freedom Kiss"? It's all a bit strange, and depressing in a way. Brendan
RE: (313) USA Boycott
Let's not turn this into a Europe vs USA bitter flame war. I think most people know that good music should be supported whether it comes from Missouri or Macedonia - techno has no national borders, surely? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 8:56 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) USA Boycott Tell you what. You and your mates can go whistle for my hard earned. I literally have to work 2 hours to buy a US Import. I sick of this s**t, spouted by idiots with some sort of anti euro agenda. I'm not buying any more new US techno records. That includes all my favourite labels, you can go f**king whistle for it. And worse, you say Mad Mike, Cisco Ferrraria etc put you up to it. Well they can go whistle for my hard earned and all. _ - End of message text Is your business ready for the new era of accounting? http://www.ifrs.co.uk This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring. # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
(313) egyptian lover in holland
Friday 08-10-04 WaterFront - Rotterdam - NL room 1: live: Egyptian Lover, Alden Tyrell, Novamen dj's: I-f, Serge, klen room 2: dj's: Duplex, Unit4, Pametex I'm very envious - I hope one or some of our dutch listmember friends can give us a debrief after this party
Re: (313) USA Boycott
absolutely agree with that, there are always some monques that behave like a superstar (and believe me i watched a lot of those ;)) in the US as well as in europe it seems some people get a bit confused after playin in front of some hundred or thousand people the first time - but this is the usual developement. the one that stays on the ground will be respected in the long turn. cheers from germany b - Original Message - From: "Robert Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 12:01 PM Subject: RE: (313) USA Boycott Let's not turn this into a Europe vs USA bitter flame war. I think most people know that good music should be supported whether it comes from Missouri or Macedonia - techno has no national borders, surely? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 8:56 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) USA Boycott Tell you what. You and your mates can go whistle for my hard earned. I literally have to work 2 hours to buy a US Import. I sick of this s**t, spouted by idiots with some sort of anti euro agenda. I'm not buying any more new US techno records. That includes all my favourite labels, you can go f**king whistle for it. And worse, you say Mad Mike, Cisco Ferrraria etc put you up to it. Well they can go whistle for my hard earned and all. _ - End of message text Is your business ready for the new era of accounting? http://www.ifrs.co.uk This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring. # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
RE: (313) USA Boycott
>Let's not turn this into a Europe vs USA bitter flame war. No, I tell you what Rob, lets have idiots like this put down. I have many friends from the US, none of whom think this way, and I don't like to think this way either, I'm just not like that. But I am SICK, SICK, of this underlying "damn europeans" s**t. So, anyone bringing all that cr*p on here is getting it from me, full stop. I point you to yesterdays discussion re bootlegged Buzz material. All a bit odd that don't you think? I'm just sick of this s**t, we're not some sort of inferior continent. If they think they're so f**king clever, why don't they just try and make a living in the US, selling their records and getting gigs over there. See how they go on feeding their families with a relatively small market to work with. tossers. _ - End of message text Is your business ready for the new era of accounting? http://www.ifrs.co.uk This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
Re: (313) EU Boycott and an End To European Insourcing Of Techno Music
Alala..."Freedom Kiss", of course, cause its the "Freedom Touch". Btw, i read a survey result this morning, that after this debate Bush/Kerry, if the vote would take place in France, Kerri would win with 87%. Thats crazy. But as Robert says : "Let's not turn this into a Europe vs USA bitter flame war". And i never did during theses last years. Cuz "Techno Bring People Together" right ? Or is it just a retarded old raver thought... - Kiddy. - Original Message - From: "Brendan Nelson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 10:34 AM Subject: RE: (313) EU Boycott and an End To European Insourcing Of Techno Music > Anyway, maybe I'm over-reacting a bit. Are we going to see a "patriotic > techno tour" of the Bible Belt states in the near future? Bootlegs of > "French Kiss" coming out, renamed "Freedom Kiss"? It's all a bit strange, > and depressing in a way. > > Brendan
Re: (313) EU Boycott and an End To European Insourcing Of Techno Music
People, The last thing we need right now is a THEM and US war, not only is it juvenile, it's clear the work of someone who doesn't understand the scene or the people. Being a twat isn't exclusive to DJ's/Promoters/Builders/Bakers/Candle Stick Makers - Wake up. I suggest you take your bitter ugliness somewhere else. Cheers Martin Lastly, I depart with this. Why is that the USA is up in arms when technology jobs are outsourced to India and China, yet not at all DISGUSTED when the European magazines and scene come into our scenes demanding huge fees and arriving with difficult attitudes, resulting to a trend of the US getting InSourced...?
Re: (313) USA Boycott
You and your mates can go whistle for my hard earned. I literally have to work 2 hours to buy a US Import. i should add here that a US import over here (UK) regularly costs £8. that's, what, $14. hasn't stopped me spending a tonne of money on this stuff for 15 years of my life, even when i was out of work. if i didn't love US music i'd almost be tempted to join that boycott. --- as it is i suspect this is just more anti-euro flamebait, that the usual listmembers will jump on to further make a point. i wouldn't want to tar all US folk with the same brush as dj mani/Renegade808 (sorry man, but i have to name you here as you thought it wise to post this to the list) would like to with europeans. techno is a worldwide phenomena. it didn't develop in a vacuum, it has influences from every part of the world with Europe being a huge part of that. good music is good music. i mean maybe the fact that techno is appreciated a lot more in Europe is a problem for some peoplebut that is not the fault of Europeans and to point the finger in that direction is unfair. It's more likely to be the fault of other Americans (radio playlist policy, govt. influence on licensing laws, racism, homophobia, police attitude to clubsi don't know the real reason). peace robin...
Re: (313) USA Boycott
And my last word to 'Carrie' Why don't you put your 'energy' into something far more useful to the world, like campaigning to get that murderous scum administration of yours out of office, and leave all us music lovers (who get along just fine) alone. Sorry for being so angry list, I apologise, and I shall not post again today until I've calmed down. Thanks, and sorry. Alex _ - End of message text Is your business ready for the new era of accounting? http://www.ifrs.co.uk This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
RE: (313) EU Boycott and an End To European Insourcing Of Techno Music
Martin Dust wrote: > >The last thing we need right now is a THEM and US war, Agreed Martin. Alex, I agree with you that its pretty annoying to have this. However I do think that it's reflective of a fairly rare attitude within the sphere of the music which we like. The person who made this post looks to me to be more self-appointed rather than someone who has the backing and encouragement of anyone within the music who we'd respect. I really wouldn't worry about it at all. It sounds like some lone nutter! :-) Also, I think that given some straight info on the Buzz 'represses', fewer people than buy them at the moment, would buy them. I mean, so far, they're of low quality anyway. Record shop/label owners who in all other respects seem to support and safeguard 'our music' should perhaps think a little more deeply about the whole Buzz/bootleg thing, because it does raise some contradictions (such as those very shops which support the scene, contributing to hurting it!) although I stress, the whole issue is difficult and as for Buzz, it isn't entirely clear that the original artists/labels aren't deriving some indirect benefit. We just don't know. k >-Original Message- >From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 10:13 AM >To: 313 List >Subject: Re: (313) EU Boycott and an End To European Insourcing Of >Techno Music > > >People, > >The last thing we need right now is a THEM and US war, not only is it >juvenile, it's clear the work of someone who doesn't understand the >scene or the people. Being a twat isn't exclusive to >DJ's/Promoters/Builders/Bakers/Candle Stick Makers - Wake up. I suggest >you take your bitter ugliness somewhere else. > >Cheers >Martin > > > >>> Lastly, I depart with this. Why is that the USA is up in arms when >>> technology jobs are outsourced to India and China, yet not at all >>> DISGUSTED when the European magazines and scene come into our scenes >>> demanding huge fees and arriving with difficult attitudes, resulting >>> to a >>> trend of the US getting InSourced...? >> > > >
Re: (313) one for the disco heads
On Oct 1, 2004, at 1:47 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: excellent link - thanks. bummer it's only streaming. maybe it's time to test out the 'capture stream function' on audion. The direct link to the Ebony Cuts #08 show seems to be http://www.funkandsoulrecords.com/radio/show/ebc.mp3 (Since you mentioned Audion, you have a Mac - if you used iTunes you could play the .m3u playlist, find the entry in the iTunes Library window, do a Command-I on it to Get Info, and in the Summary you'll see the direct URL) (As for capturing streams, personally, I'd use StreamRipperX 1.0.5 or its quasi-commercial successor, RadioLover 1.3) - Greg (the parentheses-loving Mac weenie)
Re: (313) Las Vegas
I was there years ago, but I remember they booked some big name deejays regularly at that pyramid thing. Forgot the name. Hope that helps a bit. Otherwise, there's always ye good olde google. Joost On 29-sep-04, at 07:03PM, Jeff Braziunas wrote: Basically I'm just looking for some music which isn't the typical rap, hip-hop, and top 40 club fare. Other than that I'm not too picky. I figure the only way to know if you like an artist is to hear him/her in person... On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there!
Re: (313) [Fwd: FW: EAR techno declaration of an EU boycott and an END TOEUROPEAN insourcing of TECHNO MUSIC]
You might have had me if you substituted EU for the word TRANCE. If Bush wins this election will somebody from the EU please adopt me ? I can't afford to move to Berlin, Paris or London and be with all of my friends telepathic regards, the kooky scientist on 9/30/04 8:52 PM, Renegade808 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > here is something i was asked to post to the 313 list... > > > > Original Message > Subject: FW: EAR techno declaration of an EU boycott and an END TOEUROPEAN > insourcing of TECHNO MUSIC From:"Mani Miglani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date:Thu, September 30, 2004 5:52 pm > To: "Carrie Miglani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- > > > Subject: EAR techno declaration of an EU boycott and an END TO EUROPEAN > insourcing of TECHNO MUSIC > > The year 2004 has been an eye-opening one for myself and the obS/ EAR > collective. For 28 years of my life I have always looked outward when it > came to many aspects of my existence (my cultural identity, even > appreciation from others and my choices in music). For a long time > obS/EAR existed as an entity which assisted in marketing EU artists and > beyond into the US. However, a trip to India (my cultural homeland) after > a 19 year absence, a trip to Detroit - one of techno's homelands to visit > with Mike Banks, Murat's visit of the Chicago offices, the Parental > Advisory tour that ended in Bigfork Minnesota, the Advent West Coast Tour > with Murat, Tetric, SOG, Twonz and Man Dude Bryan along with a few other > events that included spiritual places and books - I have decided to make a > major change in the way EAR considers techno music from here on as an > individual organization and collective of artists. I have decided that I > am going to begin looking inward. This means that this collective of > artists will remain tied to the American scene and American DJs as it is > our artists who need the > assistance, the monetary funds and even the recognition that is deserved > and lacking. I cannot sit by any longer and watch what was created here in > the States get redone and sold back to us at import prices. Yet, we have > made an exception with two artists: The Advent and Steve Rachmad as they > have shown their respect to the American sound and to the scenes in > Chicago and Detroit respectively, while also pioneering their own sounds > and even actually helping the American scene and its artists. > > Below is the current EAR Roster with a few purposeful omissions, as I have > not yet been able to talk over the changes with some of the non-exclusive > current members of E.A.R. (the artists you can book direct through > themselves anyway). > > E.A.R. CURRENT ROSTER (12 acts) > Manish Miglani... aka dj mani... Chicago, USA via New Delhi, India > Murat... New Jersey via Istambul, Turkey > The Advent... London, UK via Madiera, Portugal > G Flame... London, UK via Madiera, Portugal > Steve Rachmad... Amsterdam, Holland via Surinam, a Dutch colony > SOG... Portland, Oregon > Tetsuji Miwa... Portland, Oregon via Nagoya, Japan > Magda... Berlin, Germany via Detroit, USA > Twonz... Detroit, USA > Mike Huckaby... Detroit, USA > Mike Dearborn... Chicago, USA > Robin Porter... Los Angeles, USA via London, UK > > > The new website to be posted soon will accurately and definitively reflect > our technology initiative through the obS Productions Inc. and our now > US-centric aims in marketing American Techno Music, or the soon to be > not-for-profit E.A.R./ Are You Techno? Collective. > > Most importantly, special thanks to my family in Chicago ILLINOIS, Bowling > Green, KENTUCKY, Big Fork, MINNESOTA, New Delhi and Gaziabad, INDIA, and > others in my immediate family. In addition, major respect and gratitude > to Cisco Ferreira, Murat, Tetsuji Miwa, SOG and Mike Banks from UR for > helping me en-lighten myself and guiding me on a path I must follow. > > Lastly, I depart with this. Why is that the USA is up in arms when > technology jobs are outsourced to India and China, yet not at all > DISGUSTED when the European magazines and scene come into our scenes > demanding huge fees and arriving with difficult attitudes, resulting to a > trend of the US getting InSourced...? How many US artists do you know > with day jobs, more talent than the the headliner flown in on business > class, yet that same cat plays his/her heart out for a few measly bucks > after working a full time work week and has to watch a premadonna global > talent get paid tens of thousands and refuse to play a minute longer than > the contract. It is not proper and I am personally making a stand with my > collective of artists... > > > Peace > Namaste > Love and Respect > > If you feel the same way, contact me and drop me a line or two. > > > Manish Miglani > > aka dj mani > > > > > -- End of Forwa
Re: (313) egyptian lover in holland
The Egyptian Lover is also playing in Paris at the 2nd Stereolize festival together with acts like Automat, dave clarke, dj djítal & bass junkie http://technotourist.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=622 KJ On Friday, October 01, 2004, at 11:07AM, Rc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Friday 08-10-04 >WaterFront - Rotterdam - NL >room 1: >live: Egyptian Lover, Alden Tyrell, Novamen >dj's: I-f, Serge, klen > >room 2: >dj's: Duplex, Unit4, Pametex > > >I'm very envious - I hope one or some of our dutch listmember friends can >give us a debrief after this party kj at technotourist dot org
Re: (313) Las Vegas
don¹t forget to check out the hard rock café casino. you can see a pair of turntables, a mixer and flight case used by oakenfold all set in front of a panoramic stadium crowd shot. try not to wet yourself... On 01.10.2004 06:11 , "Joost Ploegmakers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I was there years ago, but I remember they booked some big name deejays > regularly at that pyramid thing. Forgot the name. > > Hope that helps a bit. Otherwise, there's always ye good olde google. > > > Joost > > > > On 29-sep-04, at 07:03PM, Jeff Braziunas wrote: > >> >> Basically I'm just looking for some music which isn't the typical rap, >> hip-hop, and top 40 club fare. Other than that I'm not too picky. I >> figure the only way to know if you like an artist is to hear him/her >> in person... >> >> On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how >> to get there! >
Re: (313) [Fwd: FW: EAR techno declaration of an EU boycott and an END TOEUROPEAN insourcing of TECHNO MUSIC]
Fred Gianelli : "If Bush wins this election will somebody from the EU please adopt me ?" As a fan of your work, YOU RE WELCOME FRED, I adopt you ! ;-) In practice, you will have a home studio for doing music, a river for walk along when you re a bit in lake of inspiration, some nice friends who love to go to party's and Don 't take it as a bad joke but as a sympathy message. Anyway, big respect for your music always inspiring me. -- Dimitri Pike http://wildtek.free.fr http://groups.msn.com/313TechnoMusic
(313) Re: EAR techno declaration of an EU boycott and an END TO EUROPEAN insourcing of TECHNO MUSIC
Dear Mani. I read your email with interest. Unfortunately I find it a little mis-guided. But, just to get this straight, we are to boycott all European artists bar Steve Rachmad and Cisco Ferrara? It's just I need to know as I'm off to the record shop at lunchtime and wanted to pick up a few of the latest european hotties, but obviously I don't want to literally take the beans off the american artists kid's toast. Please advise. Alex _ - End of message text Is your business ready for the new era of accounting? http://www.ifrs.co.uk This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
Re: (313) Re: EAR ache
Today I'm wearing my WWURD (What Would Underground Resistance Do) bracelet and it reckons we should have a beer and ignore the court jester, so what you having? Cheers Martin On 1 Oct 2004, at 12:03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Mani. I read your email with interest. Unfortunately I find it a little mis-guided. But, just to get this straight, we are to boycott all European artists bar Steve Rachmad and Cisco Ferrara? It's just I need to know as I'm off to the record shop at lunchtime and wanted to pick up a few of the latest european hotties, but obviously I don't want to literally take the beans off the american artists kid's toast. Please advise.
Re: (313) Re: EAR ache
On Fri, 1 Oct 2004, Martin Dust wrote: > Today I'm wearing my WWURD (What Would Underground Resistance Do) > bracelet and it reckons we should have a beer and ignore the court > jester, so what you having? Skool! (or hölkynkölkyn) Hmm when is somebody starting a Finland boycot on some obscure reason? I would drink to that. Have a nice weekend, -- Jari Tolkkinen | dj ken-guru | http://www.ken-guru.net --
Re: (313) egyptian lover in holland
Interview of Egyptian Lover by the Stereolize team : http://www.stereolize.org/egypt_interview.html Tom http://www.pulsation.com
Re: (313) Re: EAR ache
>Today I'm wearing my WWURD (What Would Underground Resistance Do) >bracelet and it reckons we should have a beer and ignore the court >jester, so what you having? Well, as ever Martin, I'll have a pint. Thanks. Although a brandy chaser could help calm me down a little more too. However, interesting you mention this >Underground Resistance As this guy is name dropping Mad Mike in all this, I'm wondering if Mike will be joining his boycott. I'm wondering if he'll be dropping all the european distributors he's closely worked with over the years, or wondering if he'll be kicking Orlando Voorn out of his stable of fine labels. Or asking europeans for help when one of his friends gets bootlegged. Or not selling any european stuff in his shop. Wouldn't have thought so. Wonder if he's aware of what this dipstick is spouting, using his name as a reference point. Wouldn't have thought so either. Although Submerge are on the list right? Or were at one point And I ain't finished with this clown (Mani) yet either. just hit delete, doesn't take long. Warmest regards to you Martin, Alex p.s. nice bracelet lover boy, giz a kiss ; ) _ - End of message text Is your business ready for the new era of accounting? http://www.ifrs.co.uk This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
(313) Did someone say something
Bit loose on the Techno internet this week, what gives? Right, I'm off to Barcelona to rock with S23 and then spend a week looking at buildings. Have good weekend folks Cheers Martin
Re: (313) Did someone say something
don't forget to look at the ladies as well and the sea maybe? -- Nomorewords.net Bentinckstraat 66-2 1051 GN Amsterdam The Netherlands fax +31-20-486-9624 - Original Message - From: "Martin Dust" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "313 List (E-mail)" <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 2:25 PM Subject: (313) Did someone say something Bit loose on the Techno internet this week, what gives? Right, I'm off to Barcelona to rock with S23 and then spend a week looking at buildings. Have good weekend folks Cheers Martin
RE: (313) USA Boycott
> From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 01 October 2004 11:02 > > Let's not turn this into a Europe vs USA bitter flame war. > I think most people know that good music should be supported > whether it comes from Missouri or Macedonia - techno has no > national borders, surely? Definitely not, or at least not as far as I'm concerned anyway. I'm happy to draw a line, however, between people who see techno as a global movement and people who insist on dividing it up along nationalistic lines. I wouldn't want to work with anyone who confused the love of electronic music with misguided notions of nationalism and protectionism, because if that sort of viewpoint became prevalent the nature of the techno scene would change beyond recognition. Brendan
RE: (313) USA Boycott
> -Original Message- > From: robin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 01 October 2004 10:18 > > i mean maybe the fact that techno is appreciated a lot > more in Europe is a problem for some peoplebut that is > not the fault of Europeans and to point the finger in that > direction is unfair. It's extremely unfair, as it means that the flow of money tends to be from the Europe to the US. More Europeans are buying American records and paying to see American DJs than Americans are buying European records or seeing European DJs, if that makes sense. Obviously that doesn't trouble me - only a knuckle- dragging, mouth-breathing throwback would rail against Europe "insourcing" techno artists from the US and try to adopt a policy whereby European clubs should only book European DJs. It's the ideal way to nurture an insular and inbred scene. Another funny thought - what if a DJ on the E.A.R. roster played or charted a record by a European artist? Would they get dropped? Brendan
Re: (313) Did someone say something
Nah, although we do have a song called "I don't know who I love more: Cubase or you! On 1 Oct 2004, at 13:32, Marsel // Nomorewords.net wrote: don't forget to look at the ladies as well and the sea maybe? -- Nomorewords.net Bentinckstraat 66-2 1051 GN Amsterdam The Netherlands fax +31-20-486-9624 - Original Message - From: "Martin Dust" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "313 List (E-mail)" <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 2:25 PM Subject: (313) Did someone say something Bit loose on the Techno internet this week, what gives? Right, I'm off to Barcelona to rock with S23 and then spend a week looking at buildings. Have good weekend folks Cheers Martin
Re: (313) Re: EAR ache
Today I'm wearing my WWURD (What Would Underground Resistance Do) bracelet and it reckons we should have a beer and ignore the court jester, so what you having? Well, as ever Martin, I'll have a pint. Thanks. Although a brandy chaser could help calm me down a little more too. However, interesting you mention this >Underground Resistance As this guy is name dropping Mad Mike Or were at one point This dog isn't bitingit's just too silly Alex p.s. nice bracelet lover boy, giz a kiss ; ) I might be the closest you get to a woman mate *lol* Martin
RE: (313) USA Boycott
Brendan, re your last post (& Robs) I feel I need to explain myself. Just for the record. I see it as a global COMMUNITY. I have no feelings of nationalism at all. Or protectism. I think anyone who knows me will vouch for me. I'm a community minded kinda guy. Often to the point of getting ridiculed by alot of people. I am just sick of hearing about "damn europeans" I'm a european, and have always acted in a fashion I see as honest and honorable and fair. Jesus christ, I could reel off a massive list of people I know who have sunk their entire lives, not to mention every single penny they have into this music, and not really for their own gain either. Europeans, Americans, Timbuktooans. That's why my blood starts boiling beyond belief when people like this come along blaming europeans for whatever it is we are supposed to have done. So I stand up and shout. Mainly because I'm not articulate enough to give a reasoned argument. Yeah, I've got a big mouth, granted, and I get in a rage. But I have and always will stand up for myself. And I'm always going to. So, is there any chance these people in the US can keep their feelings to themselves? I have no idea why you hate us so much. I suspect envy has something to do with it. But keep it out of my face and go join the NF or whatever. _ - End of message text Is your business ready for the new era of accounting? http://www.ifrs.co.uk This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
Re: (313) Re: EAR ache
On 1 Oct 2004, at 13:45, Gavin Daruvalla wrote: WWURD? I take it you've seen Ready to rumble?? Nope, what is it? I played an old PlayStation game many moons ago called that but it was rubbish and I really do have a WWURD bracelet... Martin
RE: (313) USA Boycott
Another ridulous thing is the fact that EAR have made arbitrary exceptions to the new rule cos the artists in question have supposedly paid their dues to the American scene - I don't understand why Rachmad and Ferreira are deemed to have paid enough tribute and not others. -Original Message- From: Brendan Nelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 12:34 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) USA Boycott > -Original Message- > From: robin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 01 October 2004 10:18 > > i mean maybe the fact that techno is appreciated a lot > more in Europe is a problem for some peoplebut that is > not the fault of Europeans and to point the finger in that > direction is unfair. It's extremely unfair, as it means that the flow of money tends to be from the Europe to the US. More Europeans are buying American records and paying to see American DJs than Americans are buying European records or seeing European DJs, if that makes sense. Obviously that doesn't trouble me - only a knuckle- dragging, mouth-breathing throwback would rail against Europe "insourcing" techno artists from the US and try to adopt a policy whereby European clubs should only book European DJs. It's the ideal way to nurture an insular and inbred scene. Another funny thought - what if a DJ on the E.A.R. roster played or charted a record by a European artist? Would they get dropped? Brendan # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
Re: (313) Re: EAR ache
>This dog isn't bitingit's just too silly Listen, I'm biting. Fact is, if someone doesn't, idiots like this might think they have a point. So he's getting it. As did Yussel that time before he explained himself fully. Why do we get it every so often? I want it to stop. So, I'll bite. And I ain't going to let go either, you're going to have to shoot me before I remove my teeth from that clowns leg. I stay out of loads of arguments here. But not today. _ - End of message text Is your business ready for the new era of accounting? http://www.ifrs.co.uk This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
RE: (313) USA Boycott
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 01 October 2004 13:45 > > That's why my blood starts boiling beyond belief when people > like this come along blaming europeans for whatever it is we > are supposed to have done. I know exactly what you mean - but the thing to bear in mind is that this guy isn't exactly likely to get a great deal of support from other people in the US, as generally speaking the techno scene doesn't appeal to neo-conservatives, isolationists, ultra-nationalists and other "Fortress America" types. So what you've got is someone with an extremely marginal point of view which isn't going to be adopted by other Americans. It's really easy to get angry, because you basically can't reason with nationalists. A nationalist will always discount the viewpoints of foreigners because contempt for the views of foreigners is pretty much fundamental to the whole concept of nationalism. So when you don't have any way to engage rationally with someone, anger is an understandable response. But it's best to try to suppress that anger; the only people who'd be able to reason with this guy are other Americans, as these are the only people he'll ever pay attention to or take seriously. Brendan
Re: (313) Re: EAR ache
I've just re-read the entire post, and had a look at http://www.djmani.com. Have a glance at his top labels list: Labels I Like AXIS - Chicago - Jeff Mills CL RECORDINGS - Berlin - Chris Liebing DRUMCODE - Stockholm - Adam Beyer ELEKTRIX - London - Billy Nasty F-COM - Paris - Laurent Garnier GIGOLO - Berlin - DJ Hell H PRODUCTIONS - Stockholm - Cari Lekebusch IN-TEC - London - Carl Cox KANZLERAMT - Berlin - Heiko Laux ORBEAT - Naples - Danilo Vigorito MINUS - Windsor - Richie Hawtin MUSIC MAN - Amsterdam MUTE PURE SONIK - Chicago - T-1000 RED PLANET - Detroit - Original UR sub-label SYNEWAVE - NYC - Damon Wild TORTURED - London - Billy Nasty TRESOR - Berlin UNDERGROUND RESISTANCE - Detroit WARP RECORDS - Sheffield ZENIT - Naples - Marco Carola Hmm... Mostly European. Sounds to me like he's just had a few intense conversations in his recent travels and came out of them with what would essentially be a good idea (for American record buyers), but has gone way past the mark with his boycott idea, and spouted a load of ill-informed crap at the end of it. Frankly, I wouldn't bother getting too huffy about it. Dude's just stumbled onto some flavour-of-the-month ideology and put his foot in it. The basic idea is not such a bad one though (other than the boycott). Tristan
RE: (313) USA Boycott
I mean.. basically the guy is a complete divot ! That really is end of story. -Original Message- From: Brendan Nelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 01 October 2004 14:00 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) USA Boycott > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 01 October 2004 13:45 > > That's why my blood starts boiling beyond belief when people > like this come along blaming europeans for whatever it is we > are supposed to have done. I know exactly what you mean - but the thing to bear in mind is that this guy isn't exactly likely to get a great deal of support from other people in the US, as generally speaking the techno scene doesn't appeal to neo-conservatives, isolationists, ultra-nationalists and other "Fortress America" types. So what you've got is someone with an extremely marginal point of view which isn't going to be adopted by other Americans. It's really easy to get angry, because you basically can't reason with nationalists. A nationalist will always discount the viewpoints of foreigners because contempt for the views of foreigners is pretty much fundamental to the whole concept of nationalism. So when you don't have any way to engage rationally with someone, anger is an understandable response. But it's best to try to suppress that anger; the only people who'd be able to reason with this guy are other Americans, as these are the only people he'll ever pay attention to or take seriously. Brendan
(313) Underated Producers
ok i wanna talk about music. my vote for a hugely underated producer is Gary Martin (teknotika) i mean check out that Serious Business 12 on Teknotika for recent proof. anyone else have a producer that you think is underated? robin..
Re: (313) Re: EAR ache
Unbelievable. "The hypocrisy reading levels at 100 percent and rising, captain..." On Friday, October 1, 2004, at 08:11 AM, Tristan Watkins wrote: I've just re-read the entire post, and had a look at http://www.djmani.com. Have a glance at his top labels list: Labels I Like AXIS - Chicago - Jeff Mills CL RECORDINGS - Berlin - Chris Liebing DRUMCODE - Stockholm - Adam Beyer ELEKTRIX - London - Billy Nasty F-COM - Paris - Laurent Garnier GIGOLO - Berlin - DJ Hell H PRODUCTIONS - Stockholm - Cari Lekebusch IN-TEC - London - Carl Cox KANZLERAMT - Berlin - Heiko Laux ORBEAT - Naples - Danilo Vigorito MINUS - Windsor - Richie Hawtin MUSIC MAN - Amsterdam MUTE PURE SONIK - Chicago - T-1000 RED PLANET - Detroit - Original UR sub-label SYNEWAVE - NYC - Damon Wild TORTURED - London - Billy Nasty TRESOR - Berlin UNDERGROUND RESISTANCE - Detroit WARP RECORDS - Sheffield ZENIT - Naples - Marco Carola Hmm... Mostly European. Sounds to me like he's just had a few intense conversations in his recent travels and came out of them with what would essentially be a good idea (for American record buyers), but has gone way past the mark with his boycott idea, and spouted a load of ill-informed crap at the end of it. Frankly, I wouldn't bother getting too huffy about it. Dude's just stumbled onto some flavour-of-the-month ideology and put his foot in it. The basic idea is not such a bad one though (other than the boycott). Tristan
Re: (313) Re: EAR ache
I know - every knows Warp went south (London) to drink shandy, I'm disgusted me...puffs On 1 Oct 2004, at 14:24, jason kenjar wrote: Unbelievable. "The hypocrisy reading levels at 100 percent and rising, captain..." On Friday, October 1, 2004, at 08:11 AM, Tristan Watkins wrote: I've just re-read the entire post, and had a look at http://www.djmani.com. Have a glance at his top labels list: UNDERGROUND RESISTANCE - Detroit WARP RECORDS - Sheffield ZENIT - Naples - Marco Carola
Re: (313) Re: EAR ache
Thanks for that Tristan. Listen everyone, I apologise again. I've got flippin' steam coming out of my ears here, seriously. But, oh boy, has the fact that he counts drumcode as one of his top labels cheered me up no end. Not only is he a total tossbag, he likes s**t music too. HURRAH! He's welcome to it! p.s. He used to work in Gramaphone (from his site)!! http://www.11-hour.com/features/archive/gramaphone.asp feelin' happier, thanks for the counselling kids. p.s. Martin Dusty Bin, you've not escaped yet, your card is marked. My uncle is Ted Rogers, he could be shot of you quicker than you can say, well, 3,2,1. I just gotta make that call, and you could be going home with Terry from Dagenham instead of that fondue set. ; ) (only kidding like) _ - End of message text Is your business ready for the new era of accounting? http://www.ifrs.co.uk This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
RE: (313) Re: EAR ache
amazing how you all get so worked up over such a stupid post. let it go already (back to lurking) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 9:36 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Re: EAR ache Thanks for that Tristan. Listen everyone, I apologise again. I've got flippin' steam coming out of my ears here, seriously. But, oh boy, has the fact that he counts drumcode as one of his top labels cheered me up no end. Not only is he a total tossbag, he likes s**t music too. HURRAH! He's welcome to it! p.s. He used to work in Gramaphone (from his site)!! http://www.11-hour.com/features/archive/gramaphone.asp feelin' happier, thanks for the counselling kids. p.s. Martin Dusty Bin, you've not escaped yet, your card is marked. My uncle is Ted Rogers, he could be shot of you quicker than you can say, well, 3,2,1. I just gotta make that call, and you could be going home with Terry from Dagenham instead of that fondue set. ; ) (only kidding like) _ - End of message text Is your business ready for the new era of accounting? http://www.ifrs.co.uk This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
RE: (313) USA Boycott
i've just had a good second glance at the thread as well and to be quite honest, the first time i read this I thought most of his boycott talk was coming not from a "the EU effed it up so stop supporting them" standpoint, but more of a " we effed it up by not supporting our own, so now we're gonna start setting an example" point of view. on subsequent reads, i can fully understand the offence taken by the eu massive. there were things there obviously better left unsaid. My feelings on the matter is if their motivation was to set an example of support for US artists, it could've been better worded. I agree however, with what i believe to be their essential point, that more american labels, promoters, agencies, etc need to be more conscious of the balance of support they give if they want techno to survive here. of course not to the point of exclusion mind you. to all the EU on here, I wouldn't let it get to ya. if you're from the EU and his descriptions don't apply to you, t! hen they probably don't apply to you. :) hope there's not a US boycott, i still need some spain dates for 2005. ;) Kamal K. Stoddard Turner Broadcasting Systems "Bebop was about change, about evolution. It wasn't about standing still and becoming safe. If anybody wants to keep creating they have to be about change."
RE: (313) USA Boycott
-- Original Message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >So, is there any chance these people in the US can keep their feelings to >themselves? I have no idea why you hate us so much. I suspect envy has >something to do with it. im not really sure about all of that. i mean, i dont like buying imports only because im broke as hell ;) i love alot of euro producers that make good music, just like i hate lots of US producers who make crap. however, i do agree with the point that US producers and deejays are often overlooked in this country in favor of someone from europe. the reasons for this are numerous: the misperception here of techno being a "white, european" thing exclusively, the "grass is always greener" line of thought, and in alot of cases the hyping of foreign musicians here over domestic ones by the dance music press. XLR8R always does a good job of covering lots of interesting US artists, though even they over glamourize certain other musics (the little fantasy piece on grime in a recent issue was more than just a little corny). even URB has been doing alright with that, but theres those other crappy clubby mags that (to be truthful, im not even sure if they still exist, like mixmag US or mixer or whatever other cornball nonsense) talk/ed nonstop about ibiza and bad music and whatnot. i guess its probably just catering to the idea that techno is white and european. its tough to sell techno as a working class black music from detroit, theres not much escapism in that for suburbanites here or whoever theyre marketing that bullsh*t to. so i can see why there might be room for some resentment, but in this case its horribly mistargeted. the guy should be salty at all the other factors, not the euro deejays and producers who love the music as much as anyone in the US if not more. anyway, so if that cat wants to be an idiot, let him. who cares. he certainly isnt speaking for all the hundreds of thousands of americans who showed up to movement to see detroit deejays next to dutch deejays. i think every single notable producer i know has releases on euro and uk labels. so this idiocy is really contained to just a few idiots. tom andythepooh.com
FW: (313) USA Boycott
this didn't seem to make it the first time. second try. -Original Message- From: Stoddard, Kamal Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 9:47 AM To: 'placid' Cc: 313 List (E-mail) Subject: RE: (313) USA Boycott i've just had a good second glance at the thread as well and to be quite honest, the first time i read this I thought most of his boycott talk was coming not from a "the EU effed it up so stop supporting them" standpoint, but more of a " we effed it up by not supporting our own, so now we're gonna start setting an example" point of view. on subsequent reads, i can fully understand the offence taken by the eu massive. there were things there obviously better left unsaid. My feelings on the matter is if their motivation was to set an example of support for US artists, it could've been better worded. I agree however, with what i believe to be their essential point, that more american labels, promoters, agencies, etc need to be more conscious of the balance of support they give if they want techno to survive here. of course not to the point of exclusion mind you. to all the EU on here, I wouldn't let it get to ya. if you're from the EU and his descriptions don't apply to you, t! hen they probably don't apply to you. :) hope there's not a US boycott, i still need some spain dates for 2005. ;) Kamal K. Stoddard Turner Broadcasting Systems "Bebop was about change, about evolution. It wasn't about standing still and becoming safe. If anybody wants to keep creating they have to be about change."
RE: (313) Underated Producers
Chris Cowie. Er, his Scottish ... ;-) k >-Original Message- >From: robin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 2:23 PM >To: 313 Org >Subject: (313) Underated Producers > > > >ok i wanna talk about music. > >my vote for a hugely underated producer is Gary Martin (teknotika) > >i mean check out that Serious Business 12 on Teknotika for recent proof. > >anyone else have a producer that you think is underated? > > >robin.. > > >
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Pacou Matt Chester The Iridite boys Mat Carter Female Mick Harris
RE: (313) EU Boycott and an End To European Insourcing Of Techno Music
Is all of this political/geographical stuff a response to the downfall of Techno in america? Because if it is, it's pointed at the wrong region. The problems we're having here have been caused by americans, not europeans. I'm a producer and not d.j. so I'm not talking in those terms. Don't get me wrong,, I also get upset when I see an american name on a european/german label for export prices. But is that Europe's or germany's fault. Hell No. It's our fault. It's too late to go inward,,actually I'm not even sure what that means? Are these artist only going to release on american labels? Are these artist only going to tour america only,,at reduced cost in some instances. I'm a little confused by it all. -Original Message- From: Brendan Nelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 4:34 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) EU Boycott and an End To European Insourcing Of Techno Music > Lastly, I depart with this. Why is that the USA is up in arms when > technology jobs are outsourced to India and China, yet not at all > DISGUSTED when the European magazines and scene come into our scenes > demanding huge fees and arriving with difficult attitudes, resulting > to a trend of the US getting InSourced...? No offence meant to anyone, but this is one of the most ridiculous things I've read in the last few months (at least). Is this a prank? What does an "EU boycott" achieve other than a totally needless attack on the global nature of the techno scene? I'm surprised to see this sort of aggressively isolationist mentality creeping into this field of electronic music. Besides, it's not even a consistent decision: "this collective of artists will remain tied to the American scene and American DJs", it says, but when you look at the E.A.R. roster, it's not exactly composed of rootin' tootin' pure-as-apple-pie Americans by any means. Anyway, maybe I'm over-reacting a bit. Are we going to see a "patriotic techno tour" of the Bible Belt states in the near future? Bootlegs of "French Kiss" coming out, renamed "Freedom Kiss"? It's all a bit strange, and depressing in a way. Brendan
RE: (313) EU Boycott and an End To European Insourcing Of Techno Music
Oh btw, I'm in america,, The South East of all places. -Original Message- From: Redmond, Ja'Maul Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 10:08 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) EU Boycott and an End To European Insourcing Of Techno Music Is all of this political/geographical stuff a response to the downfall of Techno in america? Because if it is, it's pointed at the wrong region. The problems we're having here have been caused by americans, not europeans. I'm a producer and not d.j. so I'm not talking in those terms. Don't get me wrong,, I also get upset when I see an american name on a european/german label for export prices. But is that Europe's or germany's fault. Hell No. It's our fault. It's too late to go inward,,actually I'm not even sure what that means? Are these artist only going to release on american labels? Are these artist only going to tour america only,,at reduced cost in some instances. I'm a little confused by it all. -Original Message- From: Brendan Nelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 4:34 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) EU Boycott and an End To European Insourcing Of Techno Music > Lastly, I depart with this. Why is that the USA is up in arms when > technology jobs are outsourced to India and China, yet not at all > DISGUSTED when the European magazines and scene come into our scenes > demanding huge fees and arriving with difficult attitudes, resulting > to a trend of the US getting InSourced...? No offence meant to anyone, but this is one of the most ridiculous things I've read in the last few months (at least). Is this a prank? What does an "EU boycott" achieve other than a totally needless attack on the global nature of the techno scene? I'm surprised to see this sort of aggressively isolationist mentality creeping into this field of electronic music. Besides, it's not even a consistent decision: "this collective of artists will remain tied to the American scene and American DJs", it says, but when you look at the E.A.R. roster, it's not exactly composed of rootin' tootin' pure-as-apple-pie Americans by any means. Anyway, maybe I'm over-reacting a bit. Are we going to see a "patriotic techno tour" of the Bible Belt states in the near future? Bootlegs of "French Kiss" coming out, renamed "Freedom Kiss"? It's all a bit strange, and depressing in a way. Brendan
(313) egyptian lover
And your message to the world in one sentence? Let's party, and love, and... not fight all the time. brilliant message. great interview. good to see he's getting good support here as well. funny that he's only met Juan "a couple times". Kamal K. Stoddard Turner Broadcasting Systems Entech "Bebop was about change, about evolution. It wasn't about standing still and becoming safe. If anybody wants to keep creating they have to be about change."
Re: (313) EU Boycott and an End To European Insourcing Of Techno Music
I'm not even sure if it's an issue of "fault". It's just the way markets evolve. I've sent out demos to lots of labels, and the ones who've responded with interest happened to all be in Europe. I'd be happy to release music on US labels. But if my music isn't what they're looking for, so be it. I never though of it in terms of US VERSUS Europe. Besides, European labels are bleeding cash as well. The problems aren't just in the US. They seem to be in the whole industry. -- Dennis DeSantis www.dennisdesantis.com Redmond, Ja'Maul wrote: Is all of this political/geographical stuff a response to the downfall of Techno in america? Because if it is, it's pointed at the wrong region. The problems we're having here have been caused by americans, not europeans. I'm a producer and not d.j. so I'm not talking in those terms. Don't get me wrong,, I also get upset when I see an american name on a european/german label for export prices. But is that Europe's or germany's fault. Hell No. It's our fault. It's too late to go inward,,actually I'm not even sure what that means? Are these artist only going to release on american labels? Are these artist only going to tour america only,,at reduced cost in some instances. I'm a little confused by it all.
Re: (313) Underated Producers
Derek Carr Dimension 5 (Keith Tucker) DJ Shufflemaster
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JT ($tinkworks) -Original Message- From: dave cronin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 10:39 AM To: 313 Subject: Re: (313) Underated Producers Derek Carr Dimension 5 (Keith Tucker) DJ Shufflemaster
RE: (313) Underated Producers
I thought Dimension 5 was John Harvey? (although I see he's now D5) -Original Message- From: dave cronin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 2:39 PM To: 313 Subject: Re: (313) Underated Producers Derek Carr Dimension 5 (Keith Tucker) # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
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That's my understanding too - isn't Keith Tucker Optic Nerve ? s. Robert Taylor wrote: I thought Dimension 5 was John Harvey? (although I see he's now D5) -Original Message- From: dave cronin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 2:39 PM To: 313 Subject: Re: (313) Underated Producers Derek Carr Dimension 5 (Keith Tucker) # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. # -- ___ sImon Pascoe BSD BIX ___
(313) Ultradyne
Anyone heard this: Ultradyne - The Privilege of Sacrifice Martin
Re: (313) Ultradyne
>Anyone heard this: >Ultradyne - The Privilege of Sacrifice Yep. Buy it! _ - End of message text Is your business ready for the new era of accounting? http://www.ifrs.co.uk This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
RE: (313) Underated Producers
I'll see your JT (seconded) and raise you a Kai Alce (wait till the rush hour joint drops. ohhh that breakbeat...m). Kamal K. Stoddard Turner Broadcasting Systems "Bebop was about change, about evolution. It wasn't about standing still and becoming safe. If anybody wants to keep creating they have to be about change." > -Original Message- > From: Redmond, Ja'Maul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 10:41 AM > To: dave cronin; 313 > Subject: RE: (313) Underated Producers > > > JT ($tinkworks) >
RE: (313) Ultradyne
snips at submerge http://www.submerge.com/shoppingcart/realaudio/PGM-005.rm sounds cool. is that a new label, pi gao? Kamal K. Stoddard Turner Broadcasting Systems Entech "Bebop was about change, about evolution. It wasn't about standing still and becoming safe. If anybody wants to keep creating they have to be about change." > -Original Message- > From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 10:58 AM > To: 313 > Subject: (313) Ultradyne > > > Anyone heard this: > Ultradyne - The Privilege of Sacrifice > > Martin >
Re: (313) Ultradyne
We warm up with TG/Whitehouse and Coil ov a morning - may just be my thang... On 1 Oct 2004, at 16:05, jason kenjar wrote: alot of noise, too much for my liking. but its some peoples bag i guess On Friday, October 1, 2004, at 09:57 AM, Martin Dust wrote: Anyone heard this: Ultradyne - The Privilege of Sacrifice Martin
Re: (313) Underated Producers
yes - all confirmed there's amazing D5 material coming up including a new album with some good chilled techno vibes greets label boss of underrated producers (as D5, Optic Nerve, and $tinkworx.. ) ;-) -- Nomorewords.net Bentinckstraat 66-2 1051 GN Amsterdam The Netherlands fax +31-20-486-9624 - Original Message - From: "Pascoe Mr S M" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Robert Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "dave cronin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "313" <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 5:52 PM Subject: Re: (313) Underated Producers That's my understanding too - isn't Keith Tucker Optic Nerve ? s. Robert Taylor wrote: I thought Dimension 5 was John Harvey? (although I see he's now D5) -Original Message- From: dave cronin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 2:39 PM To: 313 Subject: Re: (313) Underated Producers Derek Carr Dimension 5 (Keith Tucker) # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. # -- ___ sImon Pascoe BSD BIX ___
Re: (313) Ultradyne
speaking about Ultradyne there is another release coming. Amsterdam based label BlakLabel released a 'lost' ultradyne previously only as promo cities in ruin & beings laid to waiste (craft rec 26 from 97) now re-released as : cities in retro. Ultradyne - Cities in Retro (12², BlackLabel/Rush Hour) release: october 18 Electro-bomb! cheers aida -- meanwhile...check: Rebelbass weblog @ 3voor12: http://www.3voor12.vpro.nl/rebelbass Rebelbass home: http://www.rebelbass.com > We warm up with TG/Whitehouse and Coil ov a morning - may just be my > thang... > > > On 1 Oct 2004, at 16:05, jason kenjar wrote: > >> alot of noise, too much for my liking. but its some peoples bag i guess >> >> >> On Friday, October 1, 2004, at 09:57 AM, Martin Dust wrote: >> >>> Anyone heard this: >>> Ultradyne - The Privilege of Sacrifice >>> >>> Martin >>> >> >> > >
RE: (313) USA Boycott
All true Brendan I think he's completely misguided. Why waste time and energy trying to find reasons to hate on European artists. It's the promoters in the US that are partially at fault for not booking the US artists. I think all this resentment stems from the roll of the dice that occurred years ago when techno/house was first developing in the US. Very few people were paying attention. It was even more marginalized than it is now. It was strnge music and if you listened to it you also were strange. So there wasn't any audience in the US. The artists tried to make a living but found an audience in the UK, Europe, and Japan. So they've packed their bags and left. Very few people were left here to show American kids the way - you really had to be in either NYC or Chicago. That is until the rave scene blew up. By then most of the music and artists might have well been from outside the US anyway. So what the f*ck do you do? Get angry at ghosts of the past? It's pointless. Pretty much have to be content with how things are OR you can support good promoters instead of making grand declarations and sweeping judgements. love from the US MEK "Brendan Nelson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: <313@hyperreal.org> ine.co.uk> cc: Subject: RE: (313) USA Boycott 10/01/2004 08:00 AM > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 01 October 2004 13:45 > > That's why my blood starts boiling beyond belief when people > like this come along blaming europeans for whatever it is we > are supposed to have done. I know exactly what you mean - but the thing to bear in mind is that this guy isn't exactly likely to get a great deal of support from other people in the US, as generally speaking the techno scene doesn't appeal to neo-conservatives, isolationists, ultra-nationalists and other "Fortress America" types. So what you've got is someone with an extremely marginal point of view which isn't going to be adopted by other Americans. It's really easy to get angry, because you basically can't reason with nationalists. A nationalist will always discount the viewpoints of foreigners because contempt for the views of foreigners is pretty much fundamental to the whole concept of nationalism. So when you don't have any way to engage rationally with someone, anger is an understandable response. But it's best to try to suppress that anger; the only people who'd be able to reason with this guy are other Americans, as these are the only people he'll ever pay attention to or take seriously. Brendan
RE: (313) Underated Producers
Decal
Re: (313) Re: EAR ache
>cant believe you got so worked up alex. think it must be my time of the month JT. if women can do it and all that but yeah, sorry for having a total benny. _ - End of message text Is your business ready for the new era of accounting? http://www.ifrs.co.uk This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
Re: (313) Re: EAR ache
did soemone say there's a full moon soon? that'll be what it is :) robin... On 1 Oct 2004, at 16:34, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: cant believe you got so worked up alex. think it must be my time of the month JT. if women can do it and all that but yeah, sorry for having a total benny.
Re: (313) Re: EAR ache
>did soemone say there's a full moon soon? well, I'm no Arthur Russell ; ) but it's more to do with the fact that I know more than a few european people who have broken their balls for this music etc. yeah yeah, it's foolish, you don't get any medals blah blah blah... I've heard it all, I know the score, youthful enthusiasm etc. but for what? some dick to come along spouting that s**t? not to mention all the other cr*p that goes on. I just ain't wearing it, sorry and all that, but I ain't one to shut up. (as I dare say you have noticed) Have a good weekend 313, I'm going to get steaming. In approximately 1 hour from now. If anyone fancies it, I'll probs be in Cord or Centro or any flippin' boozer that will take me. Alex _ - End of message text Is your business ready for the new era of accounting? http://www.ifrs.co.uk This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
Re: (313) Underrated Producers
Underrated or just not as well known - you decide: Aubrey Maurice Fulton Marvin Dash Paul Mac (at least in the US) Sean Deason Stephen Brown Velocette speaking of not well known people (and those possibly MIA) - are Wavescape aka Carter & Weston (4th Wave, Planet E, Virtual Earth, Solid Groove) still doing anything? MEK robin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: 313 Org <313@hyperreal.org> ctric.com> cc: Subject: (313) Underated Producers 10/01/2004 08:22 AM ok i wanna talk about music. my vote for a hugely underated producer is Gary Martin (teknotika) i mean check out that Serious Business 12 on Teknotika for recent proof. anyone else have a producer that you think is underated? robin..
(313) Paul Mac Classics Mix up at EmotionElectric
We have great pleasure in having a chicago/acid classics mix up on emotionelectric.com by Paul Mac (Fragmented). Tracklist to come, not that most of you will need it :) Have a good weekend folks. (big thanks to Placid for the hookup)
(313) Last Record
Last one before we leave: Confide In Me - Kylie Have a great week peeps... Martin S23.exe
RE: (313) Re: EAR ache
> If anyone fancies it, I'll probs be in Cord or Centro or any flippin' > boozer that will take me. Would love too, but as you know, I'm over in North America wrecking economies ;) Agent N
(313) Robert Henke - Signal to Noise
Just got this CD (street date is mid November) it's like hearing the earth crack open while a thunderstorm proceeds to develop overhead - very charged sounds got to see him perform sometime in my life here's the press release (and what is printed on the inside of the CD packaging): "Signal to Noise" came to life during a session with one of my favorite instruments, the Yamaha SY77. The SY77 can produce timbres that slowly change and mutate via FM synthesis, and recordings of these sounds formed the basis for what was to evolve into "Signal to Noise." The recordings mainly consisted of harmonic droning, so I found them to be a bit boring after extensive listening. I began filtering, pitch-shifting and processing the material using granular resynthesis, aiming to achieve erosion and diffusion of the sound while preserving some of the original movements. The signal became the noise." "Studies of Thunder" is a fascinating sonic sculpture that creates an atmosphere of energy and tension while at the same time being quiet and introverted. The sonic artifacts were created mainly by feeding short pulses of filtered noise into a complex network of granular delay lines. No natural recordings were used as source material - this is a completely artificial world.
RE: (313) Re: EAR ache
>Would love too Oh look. Agent N. Another european sticking his hand in his pocket out of his wages to pay for dj's to come play in Europe. Obviously along with Scott, Mark and the rest of the crew. Labouring the point? Me? Surely not? Have a good weekend Nick. Stay out of them tittie bars. Alex _ - End of message text Is your business ready for the new era of accounting? http://www.ifrs.co.uk This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
(313) stick it in your EAR - something to make people happy
From WARP~ Big news is that Two Lone Swordsmen have announced details of the long-awaited live shows for this Autumn. Word from the bunker is to expect a full-on show with band, gothed-up stage sets, (dry ice?) and Weatherall vibes in effect! A new EP single is released in October and sold on the tour - "Showbiz Shotguns" features two tracks plus dub versions. TLS LIVE TOUR 2004 October Fri 01 Liverpool Disted Twisco @ Loft-Barfly 0151 7085051 Sat 02 Nottingham, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01159 580 672/01159 588 484 Thu 07 Brighton Concorde2 01273 207241 /01273 772770 Sat 09 Leeds Basics @ Rehab, Assembly St 01132449474 Fri 15 Manchester Tribal Sessions @ Sankeys Soap 0871 910 5200 Fri 29 Glasgow Pressure @ The Arches 0141 565 1023 Sat 30 Edinburgh Musotica @ Venue 07947 365677 Nov Sat 13 Belfast Shine @ QSU 02890 668 615 Sat 20 London Haywire @ Fabric. 020 7336 8898 now if someone would book them in the Midwest I'd be really happy MEK
Re: (313) Underated Producers
On Oct 1, 2004, at 9:22 AM, robin wrote: ok i wanna talk about music. my vote for a hugely underated producer is Gary Martin (teknotika) i mean check out that Serious Business 12 on Teknotika for recent proof. anyone else have a producer that you think is underated? robin.. Mathew Jonson just kidding I hear you on the Gary Martin thing. I like Jamie Bissmire a whole lot. I don't know if he's underrated or not, but I don't hear much mention of him. Not exactly 313 sound though. I found some really awesome minimal techhouse MP3s by a guy named Craque, but I can't find much information about him or anywhere to buy his stuff. -- Tim Moore
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uh yeah. too early. brain work bad. dimension 5 = john harvey optic nerve = keith tucker i really like 'em both. but i meant optic nerve / keith tucker. --- Pascoe Mr S M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That's my understanding too - isn't Keith Tucker > Optic Nerve ? > > s. > > > Robert Taylor wrote: > > >I thought Dimension 5 was John Harvey? > > > >(although I see he's now D5) > > > >-Original Message- > >From: dave cronin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 2:39 PM > >To: 313 > >Subject: Re: (313) Underated Producers > > > > > >Derek Carr > >Dimension 5 (Keith Tucker) > > > ># > >Note: > > > >Any views or opinions are solely those of the > author and do not necessarily represent > >those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless > specifically stated. This email > >and any files transmitted are confidential and > intended solely for the use of the > >individual or entity to which they are addressed. > If you have received this email in > >error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >Thank You. > ># > > > > > > > > > -- > ___ >sImon Pascoe > BSD > BIX > ___ > >
Re: (313) Re: EAR techno declaration of an EU boycott and an END TO EUROPEANinsourcing of TECHNO MUSIC
Hi Alex, I know that this whole thread got you all "steamed" but I wanted to point out quickly in case you didn't know, that you shouldn't be cc'ing private emails to the 313 list. Wasn't sure if you were aware of that rule or not. From: http://music.hyperreal.org/lists/313/index2.html "Do not repost private email to 313. Likewise do not reply to private email and 'CC' 313. This is both illegal (falling under the reproduction of an original copyrighted work without permission) and highly unethical. Arguments belong in private email, not in email that is addressed to 313, check your 'To: ' and 'CC: ' email header fields carefully before sending out email - it may save you more embarassment than you thought possible." Dave > Dear Mani. > > I read your email with interest. > Unfortunately I find it a little mis-guided. > > But, just to get this straight, we are to boycott all European artists bar > Steve Rachmad and Cisco Ferrara? > > It's just I need to know as I'm off to the record shop at lunchtime and > wanted to pick up a few of the latest european hotties, but obviously I > don't want to literally take the beans off the american artists kid's > toast. > > Please advise. > > Alex >
Re: (313) Re: EAR techno declaration of an EU boycott and an END TO EUROPEANinsourcing of TECHNO MUSIC
>Hi Alex, I know that this whole thread got you all "steamed" but I wanted to point out quickly in case you didn't know, that you shouldn't be cc'ing private emails to the 313 list. Wasn't sure if you were aware of that rule or not. you can't cc REPLYS to private emails to the list. you are perfectly free to compose an email to 313 and cc an individual. which is what alex did. and me, now.
Re: (313) Advent interview
in the intro paragraph there are 4 instances of "Colin" where "Cisco" is meant. ;) > > > > http://www.higher-frequency.com/e_interview/the_advent/index.htm > >
(313) EU v. US crap, let it die
On Oct 1, 2004, at 6:23 AM, Martin Dust wrote: Today I'm wearing my WWURD (What Would Underground Resistance Do) bracelet and it reckons we should have a beer and ignore the court jester, so what you having? Ha.. Okay everyone take a deep breath here. I think it's funny someone who is not even subbed to 313 (AFAIK) just dropped a stink bomb in our neighborhood. They aren't around to address any of the repercussions, and is not here to debate them or back them up or even intelligently discuss them (if that is even possible), or more true to the point, discuss what is BEHIND their big grand pronouncement of the theory. And yet it prompted about 50+ reactionary posts and still counting upwards. So who is having the last laugh... ;) I'm not saying it's beyond debate among our members, but it's kind of silly all the same -- a storm in a teacup. whatever.. most Americans who are on 313 don't hold this kind of position on EU, so don't everyone get your hackles raised. I assume vice versa. Especially once you understand how the dance record markets (and dancefloor booty shaking) work globally. There is no room for isolationism, we are one nation under a groove.What i *don't* want to do here is debate geopolitical policy issues on 313, it's the last internet haven safe from it. Those interested in debating US/global politics ad nauseam... go google your pet issue and you'll find 100 better forums better suited to debate/moan on about it than 313 list. Can we now get back to the beats (or strings as the case may be).. Alex will be having a tea, no beer for him quite yet ;) I'll have his Boddingtons, actually, yes, that's it, yes just slide it right down here thank you -- Matt MacQueen http://SonicSunset.com
(313) Der Zyklus
Yo- there was a post recently about the Der Zyklus tour- anyone knopw where they/he were playing again? cheers Jason
Re: (313) [Fwd: FW: EAR techno declaration of an EU boycott and an END TOEUROPEAN insourcing of TECHNO MUSIC]
> > WHAT??? WHAT??? ARE YOU HAVING A TIN BATH? At the risk of getting flamed, what's a tin bath? and yeah- this guy is just another bitter fool who gets mad because he and his boys can't be famous and sh*t
RE: (313) Der Zyklus
Voila: http://www.littledetroit.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5649&highlight=zyklus Tristan === http://www.phonopsia.co.uk [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -Original Message- > From: Jason Brunton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 01 October 2004 19:59 > To: 313 > Subject: (313) Der Zyklus > > Yo- there was a post recently about the Der Zyklus tour- > anyone knopw where they/he were playing again? > > cheers > > Jason >
Re: (313) Re: EAR techno declaration of an EU boycott and an END TO EUROPEAN insourcing of TECHNO MUSIC
Alex is officially "rockin' it" you go girl On Fri, 1 Oct 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Dear Mani. > > I read your email with interest. > Unfortunately I find it a little mis-guided. > > But, just to get this straight, we are to boycott all European artists bar > Steve Rachmad and Cisco Ferrara? > > It's just I need to know as I'm off to the record shop at lunchtime and > wanted to pick up a few of the latest european hotties, but obviously I > don't want to literally take the beans off the american artists kid's > toast. > > Please advise. > > Alex > > _ > > - End of message text > > Is your business ready for the new era of accounting? http://www.ifrs.co.uk > > > This e-mail is sent by the above named in > their individual, non-business capacity and > is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. > > PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor > outgoing and incoming e-mails and other > telecommunications on its e-mail and > telecommunications systems. By replying > to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring. > >
RE: (313) USA Boycott
because dem there boyz yo!!! On Fri, 1 Oct 2004, Robert Taylor wrote: > Another ridulous thing is the fact that EAR have made arbitrary exceptions to > the new rule cos the artists in question have supposedly paid their dues to > the American scene - I don't understand why Rachmad and Ferreira are deemed > to have paid enough tribute and not others. > > -Original Message- > From: Brendan Nelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 12:34 PM > To: 313@hyperreal.org > Subject: RE: (313) USA Boycott > > > > -Original Message- > > From: robin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: 01 October 2004 10:18 > > > > i mean maybe the fact that techno is appreciated a lot > > more in Europe is a problem for some peoplebut that is > > not the fault of Europeans and to point the finger in that > > direction is unfair. > > It's extremely unfair, as it means that the flow of money tends > to be from the Europe to the US. More Europeans are buying > American records and paying to see American DJs than Americans > are buying European records or seeing European DJs, if that > makes sense. Obviously that doesn't trouble me - only a knuckle- > dragging, mouth-breathing throwback would rail against Europe > "insourcing" techno artists from the US and try to adopt a > policy whereby European clubs should only book European DJs. > It's the ideal way to nurture an insular and inbred scene. > > Another funny thought - what if a DJ on the E.A.R. roster played > or charted a record by a European artist? Would they get dropped? > > Brendan > # > Note: > > Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily > represent > those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This > email > and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of > the > individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this > email in > error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Thank You. > # >
Re: (313) Der Zyklus
Cheers Tristan but that wasn't the post I was looking for- it was another one with three gigs/venues mentioned. The one on LD talks about the gig at Club 69 which is Rubadub's venue so I kind of knew about that :) cheers Jason On 1 Oct 2004, at 20:01, Tristan Watkins wrote: Voila: http://www.littledetroit.net/forums/viewtopic.php? t=5649&highlight=zyklus Tristan === http://www.phonopsia.co.uk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (313) Re: EAR techno declaration of an EU boycott and an END TO EUROPEANinsourcing of TECHNO MUSIC
> David, I don't believe that this is the spirit of the rule. Obviously > reposting something you wrote does not violate any copyright (you may > distribute your own works however you please) nor is it really unethical > (since you obviously didn't intend to keep it confidential). > -- > Hi Matt, I guess you're right, though I personally don't think that you should cc any email to 313 that you are actually emailing somebody privately, but I do agree, after re-reading the rule, that it is not explicitly against the policy, though it does state: "Arguments belong in private email, not in email that is addressed to 313". Cheers... Dave
Re: (313) Re: EAR techno declaration of an EU boycott and an END TO EUROPEANinsourcing of TECHNO MUSIC
Hey Dave, Guess where you just sent this reply to a private email! :) At 03:08 PM 10/1/2004, David Bate wrote: > David, I don't believe that this is the spirit of the rule. Obviously > reposting something you wrote does not violate any copyright (you may > distribute your own works however you please) nor is it really unethical > (since you obviously didn't intend to keep it confidential). > -- > Hi Matt, I guess you're right, though I personally don't think that you should cc any email to 313 that you are actually emailing somebody privately, but I do agree, after re-reading the rule, that it is not explicitly against the policy, though it does state: "Arguments belong in private email, not in email that is addressed to 313". Cheers... Dave -- unsigned short int to_yer_mama; matt kane's brain http://www.hydrogenproject.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] || [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(313) US vs. EU crap....
first off i am not here to defend anyone or answer for dj mani. but i am posting this as maybe a little insight to why mani posted this email on 313 and many other lists for that matter. As in classic 313 fashion everyone took this as a personal attack on European's, especially alex. not really sure why cause it really does'nt apply to alex or alot of people in Europe who support american artists, But i feel people have said some fairly nasty things in direct response to what mani has said without even trying to understand what it was he said. Basically what mani was expressing in his email to the list is that Obs/Ear management has represented a good amount of techno artists from Europe in past years as well as thrown a bunch of parties in Chicago, and what he is saying is that he has made a mistake in the artist's he chose to represent and that he feel's it his fault that certain american artists can only make like 2-300 bucks in Chicago while Adam Beyer, Surgeon come here to America and get paid 5000 bucks plus a 5 star plus business class airfareit has just become ridiculous, and i think mani is tired of it and taking a stand. Along with alot of other things mani has gone through this year, from going back to his homeland in which he has not been in 19 years and coming to some realizations. As well as meeting and talking with mad mike this year and sharing opinions on the global techno scene and i think he was very inspired with alot of what mad mike was saying. it would seem that alot of these artists in this sect of techno could really care less about the american techno scene and all they do is make it VERY difficult to get here and play and do nothing but take from the scene and small amount of resources here in america and dont give back. take it as you will but to me this is not an attack on anyone on this list as most people on this list have supported american artists as well as the american techno scene obviously lastly this is not a direct attack on all people in Europe and for those of you who took it that way i am suprised as it is obvious to me that those European's on this list in particular, have been the ones who have supported American artists and the American techno scene. yea maybe it was not worded the way everyone on this list deems correct but it was his words and his expression. so take mani's mail as an omission of guilt in contributing to this problem that plague's the American techno sceneand that he is no longer going to contribute to the problem but instead try to remedy it in the best way he feels for his booking agency which includes supporting more American artists in America and making the neccessary cuts off his roster, with the exeption of the ones who have always supported the American scene which in this case is Cisco from the Advent and Steve Rachmad aka Sterac. it all may seem a little late for dicovering all of this but i'd take late than never anyday. michael
Re: (313) US vs. EU crap....
> > Basically what mani was expressing in his email to the list is that > Obs/Ear management has represented a good amount of techno artists from > Europe in past years as well as thrown a bunch of parties in Chicago, and > what he is saying is that he has made a mistake in the artist's he chose > to represent and that he feel's it his fault that certain american artists > can only make like 2-300 bucks in Chicago while Adam Beyer, Surgeon come > here to America and get paid 5000 bucks plus a 5 star plus business class > airfareit has just become ridiculous, and i think mani is tired of it > and taking a stand. Mike, i don't know what year you live in, but i can guarantee you that neither Beyer or Surgeon are making $5000 (maybe at the biggest rave at the height of the big raves- but everyone was making money then). Besides- Adam can certainly hold his own, if not out DJ, everyone on Mani's roster and Surgeon? Forget it! When it comes to skill DJing/production/ experimentation, no one on Mani's roster (or few in the world) can touch Surgeon. Maybe you're just using those two as arbitrary examples, but think before you speak please. > > Along with alot of other things mani has gone through this year, from > going back to his homeland in which he has not been in 19 years and coming > to some realizations. As well as meeting and talking with mad mike this > year and sharing opinions on the global techno scene and i think he was > very inspired with alot of what mad mike was saying. It sounds like the only realization he had was that his own sh*t's not moving fast enough for his liking, so hes railing against those who have much in deferrence to those who have not quite as much. If the only thing you can get from a trip to one of the most humanitarily challenged countries in the world is that your American techno scene isn't up to par, then you have to seriously re-evaluate the center of your universe. As for Mike, I don't think he's above making a wise crack about outside DJs who get paid more than his American peeps, but it's unfortunate that someone would twist that into his own tirade. > with the exeption of the ones who have > always supported the American scene which in this case is Cisco from the > Advent and Steve Rachmad aka Sterac. \ Not diss to Cisco, he has worked America hard for at least as long as i've been in this music. But Rachmad never even played in America until DEMF 2002, and with the exception of Mani's events, I don't believe he's played America much at all. they're just his boys (and his money makers, at least in the case of Advent) and it is supreme hypocricy. > > it all may seem a little late for dicovering all of this but i'd take late > than never anyday. > > > > michael > > > > >
RE: (313) Der Zyklus
> -Original Message- > From: Jason Brunton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 01 October 2004 20:13 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: 313 > Subject: Re: (313) Der Zyklus > > Cheers Tristan but that wasn't the post I was looking for- it > was another one with three gigs/venues mentioned. The one on > LD talks about the gig at Club 69 which is Rubadub's venue so > I kind of knew about that :) > > cheers > > Jason Right. Duh. This is what KJ posted: > -Original Message- > From: kj at technotourist dot org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 29 September 2004 07:30 > To: 313 Mailinglist List > Subject: Re: (313) Holy Guacomole > > > On 27-sep-04, at 14:25, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Flippin' Hell Fire: > > > > http://www.littledetroit.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5649 > > > > Wo > > > > Apologies if posted before, I can't see the list. > > From Clone: > > Mid october we will release the Der Zyklus "Biometry" full > length lp/cd on Clone/DUB records. > Try to catch the live presentations at the following locations: > > 06-10-04 Iris Scan Positive - Bologna - Italy > 08-10-04 Reference Template - Rome Italy > 23-10-04 Hand Geometry - Glasgow - Scotland tbc. Paris - > France tbc. Somewhere in Holland > > > Anyway i hope it will be better then Dopplereffekt live... Tristan (resident [313] search engine, with many bugs). ;) === http://www.phonopsia.co.uk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (313) US vs. EU crap....
Michael, Thank you very much for this post. I think the 313 Europeans on here really misconstrued Mani's post and took it in the worst light possible. I feel you offered a very clear explanation of the situation, and the fact that this isn't a dis to Europeans at all. Our US scenes are definitely struggling to survive here - if we can strengthen our scenes at home, it will be beneficial to Europeans too - especially those who aren't such huge names as it will mean better shows and better opportunities for them in the States. It is the local artists that are the backbone of such efforts and I think the key idea here is just trying to build our strength on the local front. And also the idea that bringing expensive, big name "diva" DJs over may not be the best way to promote techno in the US and help our scene flourish. ~David Renegade808 wrote: first off i am not here to defend anyone or answer for dj mani. but i am posting this as maybe a little insight to why mani posted this email on 313 and many other lists for that matter. As in classic 313 fashion everyone took this as a personal attack on European's, especially alex. not really sure why cause it really does'nt apply to alex or alot of people in Europe who support american artists, But i feel people have said some fairly nasty things in direct response to what mani has said without even trying to understand what it was he said. Basically what mani was expressing in his email to the list is that Obs/Ear management has represented a good amount of techno artists from Europe in past years as well as thrown a bunch of parties in Chicago, and what he is saying is that he has made a mistake in the artist's he chose to represent and that he feel's it his fault that certain american artists can only make like 2-300 bucks in Chicago while Adam Beyer, Surgeon come here to America and get paid 5000 bucks plus a 5 star plus business class airfareit has just become ridiculous, and i think mani is tired of it and taking a stand. Along with alot of other things mani has gone through this year, from going back to his homeland in which he has not been in 19 years and coming to some realizations. As well as meeting and talking with mad mike this year and sharing opinions on the global techno scene and i think he was very inspired with alot of what mad mike was saying. it would seem that alot of these artists in this sect of techno could really care less about the american techno scene and all they do is make it VERY difficult to get here and play and do nothing but take from the scene and small amount of resources here in america and dont give back. take it as you will but to me this is not an attack on anyone on this list as most people on this list have supported american artists as well as the american techno scene obviously lastly this is not a direct attack on all people in Europe and for those of you who took it that way i am suprised as it is obvious to me that those European's on this list in particular, have been the ones who have supported American artists and the American techno scene. yea maybe it was not worded the way everyone on this list deems correct but it was his words and his expression. so take mani's mail as an omission of guilt in contributing to this problem that plague's the American techno sceneand that he is no longer going to contribute to the problem but instead try to remedy it in the best way he feels for his booking agency which includes supporting more American artists in America and making the neccessary cuts off his roster, with the exeption of the ones who have always supported the American scene which in this case is Cisco from the Advent and Steve Rachmad aka Sterac. it all may seem a little late for dicovering all of this but i'd take late than never anyday. michael
Re: (313) Rick Wilhite Soul Edge EP Still Music
Because I'm a donut, I was getting Rick Wilhite and Rick Wade mixed up yesterday. nice show again Matt Macqueen btw, just grabbing it now. Couple o' joints on there I don't know. Can't keep up ; ) _ - End of message text Is your business ready for the new era of accounting? http://www.ifrs.co.uk This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
