RE: (313) Altern 8 was (plink plonk - Ksomic Messenger)
Bizzarre Inc and Altern-8 both worked out Stafford. If you get chance to see any of the old videos, keep an eye open for a very scruffy looking bloke with red wellies on... the late Russian Rob. He used to stand in the town centre with a coconut doing a wierd dance. Mark's friend Danny used to work in Global Groove in Hanley. Dscaper -- Aeonflux Radio - http://www.aeonflux.co.uk A man who know's what he knows, and knows what he doesn't know, is the sign of a man who knows. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 21 January 2003 15:25 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Altern 8 was (plink plonk - Ksomic Messenger) Although does anyone remeber the very first Altern 8 ep on Network?? It had 8 tracks with names like 'techno city' and was really good, deep minimal bleepy UK techno. Yeah, I do. and I thought it was great at the time too. They were from Stoke On Trent weren't they? I think at least one of them is still there.. _ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer.
RE: (313) Altern 8 was (plink plonk - Ksomic Messenger)
The track it samples is Wiggin. ;) Not sure what Mark is doing now. He'd just had his second kid last time I spoke to him... standing outside the record shop with a smile a mile-wide. Dscaper -- Aeonflux Radio - http://www.aeonflux.co.uk A man who know's what he knows, and knows what he doesn't know, is the sign of a man who knows. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 21 January 2003 16:57 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Altern 8 was (plink plonk - Ksomic Messenger) Oh yeah there was a 3 track ep with self hypnosis (mr whippy mix...always made me smile) and a promo 12 with the original version of self hypnosis..which is a massive tune fierce bassline Thats the 12 I have. Its also got the track 'Real Love' that sounds like Rhythim is Rhythim but with a female vocal over it. Does anybody know if Peat and Archer ever went back to producing techno after Altern 8?? What are they doing now? Stewart __ Freeserve AnyTime - Go online whenever you want for just 6.99 a month for your first 3 months, that's HALF PRICE! And then it's just 13.99 a month after that. For more information visit http://www.freeserve.com/time/ or call free on 0800 970 8890
RE: (313) plink plonk - Ksomic Messenger
Can't knock 2 Unlimited as much as I try... remember being in Eclipse in Coventry back in 91 and Carl Cox playing that tune to death. Shamen were good live tho... saw them at Keele Uni back in 89 when Nipper was supporting them. -Original Message- From: Cyclone Wehner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 23 January 2003 00:17 To: 313 Detroit Subject: RE: (313) plink plonk - Ksomic Messenger Including the new album Change? Couldn't stand The Shamen, at all, myself. Class in the same category as 2 Unlimited... I never cared much for the Shamen either. I always liked Boss Drum from The Shamen a lot. I think i prefer The Shamen above most of the stuff Mr. C. produced alone. Oh and Richie Hatwin's the South of Detroit Instrumental mix of Ebeneezer Goode... yummie! banging acid, not really a remix at all, more like a new track but it is great anyway!
RE: (313) Exploring Drum and Bass
Castle Morton. I remember a group of us getting thrown out of The Eclipse in Coventry (no-one turned up, so they shut early), and everyone heading down there. Strangest night I think I ever had. I seem to remember the MC at one sound system shout Die mugger, Die mugger, f*** off and die mugger, after some girl had been mugged near one of the sound system. Bomb Scare by 2 Bad Mice and Rabbit City 1 and 3... must have been played about 10 each times at least. :) Dscaper -- Aeonflux Radio - http://www.aeonflux.co.uk A man who know's what he knows, and knows what he doesn't know, is the sign of a man who knows. -Original Message- From: spw [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 16 January 2003 22:49 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Exploring Drum and Bass I remember seeing Danny breakz Dan Donnelly and some other acts from Suburban Base label along with a MC perform a live P.A. They had this strange arm and leg motion dance which is hard to describe. Hardcore Will Never Die Also remember those Spiral Tribe raves in the U.K? Thousands of people camping out raving to hardcore in the English countryside. on 1/16/03 2:47 PM, Recoil at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a brilliant tape called Dark Intelligence by a local NYC DJ from that era...I remember liking it cool! do you remember the DJ's name? not a whole lot of stateside DJs were playing darkside hardcore in America back in 92/93, as far as i know where i live in Toronto, we were lucky to have some DJs playing really good obscure hardcore jungle, that they were getting shipped over from London Recoil live on InterFACE - Astral Physics -- every Tuesday 7-9 pm est, Toronto - http://www.pirate-radio.co.uk msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] icq: 98984143 :) = Adonis vrs. Panansonic (Vakio Blast First) http://pages.prodigy.net/stevepwats/adonis-panasonic.mp3
RE: (313) Strong like a lion....
Now that's a soundtrack of the times... Live in Manchester. If I'm not mistaken it was recorded at the Gmex when they were supporting 808 State. N-Joi blew 808 state off-stage, and they were supposed to be supporting. :) Oh, and make you strong like a lion also got sampled on Jibaro by Electra (see Balearic Beats Vol 1)... I think. Dscaper -- Aeonflux Radio - http://www.aeonflux.co.uk A man who know's what he knows, and knows what he doesn't know, is the sign of a man who knows. -Original Message- From: robin pinning [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 16 January 2003 14:00 To: Mann, Ravinder [CCS] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Strong like a lion shouty english accent : ) the perfect way to describe those early rave voice overs...mke sooome nizzee ! yeah i have a n'joi 12 somewhere which is a live 'mix' and most of it is just that phrase :) robin...
RE: (313) 808 State (and A Guy Called Gerald, FSOL, LFO, Sweet Exorcist Orbital)
Just some additional info on the posts made. FSOL's took the Stakker theme from one of their previous projects, AST (see Asus Flow). There's an old compilation out there of all their various guises, such as Yage, Mental Cube, Stakker... basically everything key that they did on Earthbeat. As for A Guy Called Gerald, he did a response to what happened to him when he left/was pushed from 808 State, called Specific Hate, in which he uses samples of the phone message (apparently, he was kicked from 808 State over the phone), and he whistles the tune from Pacific State all the way through. Not sure of the label, but I remember it had a Club as the label logo (as in Hearts, Spades, Diamonds). Voodoo Ray got hammered, but the promo of it had a great track Blow Your House Down on the flip-side, which was later hashed into a more thumping version on the Chicago Symphony EP (red vinyl bootleg-type affair). As for LFO? Frequencies is probably one of the finest albums of the 90's. LFO's LFO had a bit of a rough ride though, as Steve Wright ((ex-)BBC Radio One deejay) claimed at the time that it was the worst record he had ever heard, but was under strict instructions to play the track, as it had been placed on the B-list for airing. John Peel still gave them alot of praise tho at the time, and rightly so. Mark Bell's gone on to do production work for Bjork's Homogenic and for Depeche Mode too. Varley's been doing work under G-Man and presents Tony Montana, but the work is a bit further away from LFO's roots than Varley's production work. Track 4 from the LFO (Leeds Warehouse) 12 is still a most glorious example of how to put together atmospherics, bleep and base. Sweet Exorcist's Test One, that can be traced far further back... half of Sweet Exorcist is Cabarat Voltaire's Richard H. Kirk. The Cabs Body Soul LP is probably one of the most underestimated LP's within the early stream of techno that was coing from the UK in the early 90's. The similarities between some of the work that Mills did with Waveform Transmissions Vol.1 and X-102 are scarey-close. And finally... Orbital. If you get chance to dig around, pick up the two Mutations EP's... the reworking of Chime is fantastic. -Original Message- From: techno [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 December 2002 13:43 To: Brendan Nelson; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) 808 State UR was influinced by skizzo. on 12/13/02 8:05 AM, Brendan Nelson at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In which case I'll put my foot right in it and say that Pacific influenced UR's The Theory... unless The Theory predates Pacific, which I don't actually think it does! Brendan
RE: (313) 808 State (and A Guy Called Gerald, FSOL, LFO, Sweet Exorcist Orbital)
I think Voodoo Rage was the name of the EP that Specific Hate came out on, but memory doesn't serve me too well these days. f it wasn't, it shows one thing... Gerald wasn't happy. :) Yeah, I think I got me Varley's and Bell's mixed up. Good to hear about Bell is doing some work as LFO tho... very good. -Original Message- From: Brendan Nelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 December 2002 14:58 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) 808 State (and A Guy Called Gerald, FSOL, LFO, Sweet Exorcist Orbital) | -Original Message- | From: Craig Harrison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Sent: 13 December 2002 14:56 | | As for A Guy Called Gerald, he did a response to what | happened to him when he left/was pushed from 808 State, | called Specific Hate, in which he uses samples of the | phone message (apparently, he was kicked from | 808 State over the phone)... If I remember correctly, wasn't Voodoo Ray originally Voodoo Rage, another response to the 808 State situation? | Mark Bell's gone on to do production work for Bjork's | Homogenic and for Depeche Mode too. Varley's been doing | work under G-Man and presents Tony Montana, but the work | is a bit further away from LFO's roots than Varley's production | work. I think you mean than Bell's production work! They basically split up because Varley was keen on pursuing a more straightforward clubby and dancey sound than Mark Bell, who was keen to maintain the air of sparseness and experimentalism in LFO's music. Mark Bell has put out a huge amount of material under other guises, though, including the Speedjack EPs on RS, the Lofthouse EP on Planet E, and a bunch of other stuff. He's working on a new LFO album at the moment. Brendan
RE: (313) 808 State (and A Guy Called Gerald, FSOL, LFO, Sweet Exorcist Orbital)
If you get chance, try and look for AST (Art Science Technology) - Asus Flow. It came out before Stakker was released on Westside (I think). There are quite a few remix 12's of Humanoid tho.. the Plump DJ's mix that's used in Wipeout Fusion is a real tasty affair. I'm still trying to hunt down a copy of the video they did shortly after... If you see something called Stakker Eurotechno or something like that, grab it and hold tight. It later got used by Pot Noodle over in the UK. -Original Message- From: Sakari Karipuro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 December 2002 15:09 To: Craig Harrison Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) 808 State (and A Guy Called Gerald, FSOL, LFO, Sweet Exorcist Orbital) umm, Humanoid was Brian Dougans solo project. (track was called Stakker Humanoid). there were other tracks by Humanoid but i can't remember the titles for now.
RE: (313) 808 State (and A Guy Called Gerald, FSOL, LFO, Sweet Exorcist Orbital)
That cleared that one up. :) -Original Message- From: Eric Scuccimarra [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 December 2002 15:10 To: Brendan Nelson; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) 808 State (and A Guy Called Gerald, FSOL, LFO, Sweet Exorcist Orbital) If I remember correctly, wasn't Voodoo Ray originally Voodoo Rage, another response to the 808 State situation? Voodoo Rage was a jungle/DNB remix of Voodoo Ray down on the Black Secret Technology album. Great album as far as that genre is concerned, in my opinion.
RE: (313) 808 State
If you're looking for the introduction of basslines to UK techno, then you've got to look at Renegade Soundwave's The Phantom (Its In There) (1989). -Original Message- From: Tristan Watkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 December 2002 15:29 To: P dircon; Odeluga, Ken; techno; Brendan Nelson; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) 808 State - Original Message - From: P dircon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED]; techno [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Brendan Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 11:11 PM Subject: Re: (313) 808 State Cybersonik was definitely 1990 I remember being in the shop when it came in on +8 the future sound of detroit along with 33 1/3 rd queen and lost entity bring that beat back I bought them at the same time Cubik was 1990 as well. really I think the 'which came first' debate is a bit overblown with these two songs though, as neither bassline is really a triumph of melodic construction. It was more about the production. I mean, it's a 2-bar loop, and just think of the countless spawn that imitated, if not copied it. Tristan = Text/Mixes: http://phonopsia.tripod.com Music: http://www.mp313.com Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] New Mix in mp3, 'Live in Iowa City' available for a short time from http://phonopsia.isoprax.com
RE: (313) 808 State
Hehe - knew Mark Archer pretty well (I was at Uni and lived in Stafford for a few years after). He used to get all the Transmat tracks through Network, but worse still was the fact that he had 2 copies of Techno : The New Dance Sound Of Detroit, and the only way that he would give me one was if I got him a 12 copy of Summertime (yes... that Will Smith person). Also went around his house while he was doing a remix of a Michelle Gayle (ex-Eastenders) track, but said that he wasn't enjoying it... only after hearing the vocal that they'd sent him could you understand why. Never heard singing so bad. Never met Chris Peat (knowingly at least). I know that his brother did some time for dealing tho. It summed it all up when Mark was asked to respond to what the tabloids were saying at the time, and that Stafford was Techno City... he said.. the only thing techno about Stafford is the lifts in the local shopping centre. BTW. If anyone is interested, http://www.aeonflux.co.uk - it's playing most of the artists mentioned (LFO, 808 State, Sweet Exorcist, A Guy Called Gerald (Blow Your House Down is on there too). Scroll down a bit on the main page, and you'll see the artists on the play list. Dscaper -- Aeonflux Radio - http://www.aeonflux.co.uk A man who know's what he knows, and knows what he doesn't know, is the sign of a man who knows. -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 December 2002 15:40 To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; Tristan Watkins; P dircon; Odeluga, Ken; techno; Brendan Nelson; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) 808 State Or Altern8's Infiltrate 202 - watch out for yer bass bins I'm telling yer! -Original Message- From: Craig Harrison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 3:43 PM To: Tristan Watkins; P dircon; Odeluga, Ken; techno; Brendan Nelson; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) 808 State If you're looking for the introduction of basslines to UK techno, then you've got to look at Renegade Soundwave's The Phantom (Its In There) (1989). -Original Message- From: Tristan Watkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 December 2002 15:29 To: P dircon; Odeluga, Ken; techno; Brendan Nelson; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) 808 State - Original Message - From: P dircon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED]; techno [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Brendan Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 11:11 PM Subject: Re: (313) 808 State Cybersonik was definitely 1990 I remember being in the shop when it came in on +8 the future sound of detroit along with 33 1/3 rd queen and lost entity bring that beat back I bought them at the same time Cubik was 1990 as well. really I think the 'which came first' debate is a bit overblown with these two songs though, as neither bassline is really a triumph of melodic construction. It was more about the production. I mean, it's a 2-bar loop, and just think of the countless spawn that imitated, if not copied it. Tristan = Text/Mixes: http://phonopsia.tripod.com Music: http://www.mp313.com Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] New Mix in mp3, 'Live in Iowa City' available for a short time from http://phonopsia.isoprax.com Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: (313) 808 State (and A Guy Called Gerald, FSOL, LFO, Sweet Exorcist Orbital)
Ahh, my apologies. /me keeps eyes open. :) Dscaper -- Aeonflux Radio - http://www.aeonflux.co.uk A man who know's what he knows, and knows what he doesn't know, is the sign of a man who knows. -Original Message- From: Sakari Karipuro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 December 2002 15:54 To: Craig Harrison Cc: 313 Subject: RE: (313) 808 State (and A Guy Called Gerald, FSOL, LFO, Sweet Exorcist Orbital) Craig Harrison wrote on Fri, 13 Dec 2002 about following: I'm still trying to hunt down a copy of the video they did shortly after... If you see something called Stakker Eurotechno or something like that, grab it and hold tight. It later got used by Pot Noodle over in the UK. i've seen it, thanks to a fellow listmember; but as i mentioned, the soundtrack for that video will be released on rephlex in the near future. sakke -- - * time to jack * - http://www.arabuusimiehet.com/sakke/music.html
RE: (313) 808 State (and A Guy Called Gerald, FSOL, LFO, Sweet Exorcist Orbital)
Well I never. Don't let anybody say that you don't learn something new here everyday. :) Dscaper -- Aeonflux Radio - http://www.aeonflux.co.uk A man who know's what he knows, and knows what he doesn't know, is the sign of a man who knows. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 December 2002 16:07 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) 808 State (and A Guy Called Gerald, FSOL, LFO, Sweet Exorcist Orbital) In a message dated 12/13/02 10:28:09 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If I remember correctly, wasn't Voodoo Ray originally Voodoo Rage, another response to the 808 State situation? The reason why it's Voodoo Ray as opposed to Voodoo Rage was because Gerald's sampler ran out of time and cut off the last syllable. True story. pw
RE: (313) 808 State (and A Guy Called Gerald, trip city
That's the one. Nice one Matt. :) Dscaper -- Aeonflux Radio - http://www.aeonflux.co.uk A man who know's what he knows, and knows what he doesn't know, is the sign of a man who knows. -Original Message- From: Matthew MacQueen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 December 2002 20:09 To: 313@hyperreal.org Cc: P dircon; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: (313) 808 State (and A Guy Called Gerald, trip city and didn't SPecific Hate also appear on the FX 12 (with the mayday remix?) I have a couple copies at home, I find that record at 2nd hand stores everywhere.
RE: (313) Clown Lyrics OT
Give them a couple of weeks and the record companies will have them in the studio together, then they'll be doing a tour of the chat shows with each other... oh, the pain. :) They'll probably even get Tiesto to remix it when they're done. bah. Dscaper -- Aeonflux Radio - http://www.aeonflux.co.uk A man who know's what he knows, and knows what he doesn't know, is the sign of a man who knows. -Original Message- From: Cyclone Wehner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 December 2002 05:55 To: 313 Detroit Subject: (313) Clown Lyrics OT OK, here are some bits from Mariah's song, Clown, as promised. I reckon Em is working on his comeback write now, 'Right, what rhymes with Glitter - er, bitter?' ;) I should've never listened to your woeful stories/The ones I'm sure you told a thousand times before me/You should've never intimated we were lovers/When you know very well/We never even touched each other... You don't want the world to know/That you're just a puppet show/And the little boy inside/Often sits at home alone/And cries, cries, cries, cries. You're no superhero. I think they should just kiss and make up. Unless they engineered the 'beef'!
(313) Very Off Topic - But Worth A Visit
http://www.weebl.jolt.co.uk/art.htm Enjoy. Dscaper -- Aeonflux Radio - http://www.aeonflux.co.uk A man who know's what he knows, and knows what he doesn't know, is the sign of a man who knows.
RE: (313) old house accapella albums
Everyday of my life is from Janis Joplin. Dscaper -- Aeonflux Radio - http://www.aeonflux.co.uk A man who know's what he knows, and knows what he doesn't know, is the sign of a man who knows. -Original Message- From: Stephen Kelly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 December 2002 10:47 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) old house accapella albums previously.. thats let no man put asunder on salsoul by first choice, one of the best disco tracks ever. i dont think it has the everyday of my life sample, which was actually used on metalheadz (i think it was VIP rider's ghost). i've no idea where the 'every day of my life' sample comes from, but i'm pretty sure it was first used on the 'terminator 2 ep' on reinforced by rufige kru.. vip rider's ghost on metalheadz is quite a bit later.. and dont talk to me about celebrity big brother ;) [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
RE: (313) old house accapella albums
JJ tribute - by Asha I believe used to use Janis Joplin samples all the way through. There was also a white label that never made it to full pressing that used a very old Morales type beat and heavy bass line that had the whole speach all the way through, along with at least 3 variations of the line mentioned. Good deep house track. Dscaper -- Aeonflux Radio - http://www.aeonflux.co.uk A man who know's what he knows, and knows what he doesn't know, is the sign of a man who knows. -Original Message- From: Edwin Houghton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 December 2002 19:34 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) old house accapella albums actually the phrase ...everyday of my life is from 'Let No Man Put Asunder', or at least that phrase is repeated towards the end of the song and I'm sure I've heard it used as a sample, although I'm not familiar enough with the Metalheadz stuff to verify that it's the source for the DnB tracks in question... //eddie on 12/3/02 7:03 AM, Craig Harrison at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Everyday of my life is from Janis Joplin. Dscaper -- Aeonflux Radio - http://www.aeonflux.co.uk A man who know's what he knows, and knows what he doesn't know, is the sign of a man who knows. -Original Message- From: Stephen Kelly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 December 2002 10:47 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) old house accapella albums previously.. thats let no man put asunder on salsoul by first choice, one of the best disco tracks ever. i dont think it has the everyday of my life sample, which was actually used on metalheadz (i think it was VIP rider's ghost). i've no idea where the 'every day of my life' sample comes from, but i'm pretty sure it was first used on the 'terminator 2 ep' on reinforced by rufige kru.. vip rider's ghost on metalheadz is quite a bit later.. and dont talk to me about celebrity big brother ;) [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
RE: (313) rhythm tracks?
Circuit Breaker's (Track X, Track Y and Track Z) are about as harsh as you can get in the way of filtered kick-drum tracks, and once saw Hawtin do a live PA at The Orbit in Leeds back in about 1992/3 when he twisted in further by doubling up the kick. The other one that springs to mind would be Jeff Mill's The Hacker on Waveform Transmissions Vol 1. Dscaper -- Aeonflux Radio - http://www.aeonflux.co.uk A man who know's what he knows, and knows what he doesn't know, is the sign of a man who knows. -Original Message- From: techno [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 02 December 2002 08:28 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) rhythm tracks? 313 rhythm tracks (utilizing drum machines no synthesizers): Reese Santonio The Sound KMS KMS-010 Cybersonik Thrashing Plus8016 Circuit Breaker Trac-K Probe PRO10 Circuit Breaker Trac-XYZ Probe Public Energy Hemi-sync (part 2) PRO05 farley put out two rhythm track e.ps on trax in 1986, funkin with the drums, and funkin with the drums again. Disco-D Dance Tracs Alleviated Music 1987 I like riding Dance Trac #2 - 122 bpm (raw TR-909) over Farben Discfunction Klang Elektonik 19 (my fav farben record) http://pages.prodigy.net/stevepwats/disco-d.ram
RE: (313) 313 IRC channel - a proposal
Anyone got the pure address of the channel handy? i.e. address/port? Dscaper -- Aeonflux Radio - http://www.aeonflux.co.uk A man who know's what he knows, and knows what he doesn't know, is the sign of a man who knows. -Original Message- From: Hans Veneman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 30 November 2002 16:57 To: Andrew Cc: 313 Subject: Re: (313) 313 IRC channel - a proposal Has this list got an IRC channel? It might be cool to chat in realtime, as opposed to a list. I could set up a 313 channel on Efnet.org in a matter of minutes...then 313-chat can ensue! (...in Alan Partridge mode there.) I thought there already was a #313 channel on EFnet? Cheers, Hans -- Hans Veneman [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://technotourist.org
RE: (313) rhythm tracks?
Kinda suited the club he was in too... it used to have a really odd roof, and loads of mirrors everywhere and sparse lighting. If you take Track X and double the speed, he was like that for about 45 minutes. Music there was always good tho. Djax Up-Beats, UR, etc. Only problem was that it closed at 2am, and they wouldn't allow people to wear caps/hats, so I had to put my baseball cap in one of those metal food container thingies in the entrance. Dscaper -- Aeonflux Radio - http://www.aeonflux.co.uk A man who know's what he knows, and knows what he doesn't know, is the sign of a man who knows. -Original Message- From: techno [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 02 December 2002 09:39 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) rhythm tracks? on 12/2/02 3:30 AM, Craig Harrison at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Circuit Breaker's (Track X, Track Y and Track Z) are about as harsh as you can get in the way of filtered kick-drum tracks, and once saw Hawtin do a live PA at The Orbit in Leeds back in about 1992/3 when he twisted in further by doubling up the kick. The other one that springs to mind would be Jeff Mill's The Hacker on Waveform Transmissions Vol 1. Dscaper I would have loved to have seen that Circuit Breaker PA. I almost forgot to mention Plastikman Spastik, the re-mastered version recently released on Plus 8 records.
RE: (313) May's fresh production activities
I didn't think Ten Records (subsidiary of Virgin) existed anymore (stopped in about '93 I think, but not sure). http://www.a-wave.com/system7/pages/archive/albums/sy7alb.htm is the release that Oakenfold, May, Patterson, Youth, et al worked on. Never really got into System 7 tho... seemed like a more hippy version of The Orb, yet not quite as viable as Sunscreem. A bit like A Man Called Adam... critically acclaimed, but it dated way too fast. Not sure about how May got involved, but Oakenfold was dabbling in the On-U Sound (Adrian Sherwood, Gary Clail, etc) and dub side of things about that time, so it'd make sense that he hooked up with people like Hillage. All got a bit wierd if you ask me. :) As for Oakenfold and what he did before, have a listen to Happy Mondays - Squirrel and G Man Twenty Four Hour Party People Plastic Face Carnt Smile (White Out). Fantastic LP, but I still reckon Bummed was HM at their best... P'n'T'n'B seemed to be the result of Oakenfold and Osbourne's discovery that although a mixing desk has lots of knobs and sliders, they should only be used when needed. One thing I did stumble over tho which was slightly annoying while looking for the above was that MTV claims that Oakenfold inspired Primal Scream to reach new levels of success. I think that title firmly belongs to Weatherall and PS's Screamadelica (which also won the Mercury Music Award for 1992, and beat U2's Achtung Baby), which if anyone hasn't had chance to hear, it's well worth picking up. Anyway, I'm off-topic again. :) Dscaper -- Aeonflux Radio - http://www.aeonflux.co.uk A man who know's what he knows, and knows what he doesn't know, is the sign of a man who knows. -Original Message- From: ryan burns [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 30 November 2002 05:02 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) May's fresh production activities how in the world does paul oakenfold work with derrick may on a record? whats the connection? how did they come together? ryan AN LP OF COLLABORATIONS BETWEEN STEVE HILLAGE AND ALEX PATTERSON, PAUL OAKENFOLD, YOUTH AND PERHAPS MOST IMPORTANTLY DERRICK MAY. THE 3 CUTS HERE PRODUCED BY DERRICK MAY AND FEATURE SOME VERY COMPLIMENTARY GUITAR WORK FROM HILLAGE, ARE UP THERE WITH SOME OF HIS FINEST WORK. DEEP STRINGS AND MELODIES AND HIS TRADEMARK METALLIC PERCUSSION PROGRAMMING. probably new material after their recent Mysterious Traveller release on A-Wave Records _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
RE: (313) Eminem OT... Kinda
The irony is in the first three letters of the target's name... :) Dscaper -- Aeonflux Radio - http://www.aeonflux.co.uk A man who know's what he knows, and knows what he doesn't know, is the sign of a man who knows. -Original Message- From: Cyclone Wehner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 November 2002 22:42 To: 313 Detroit Subject: (313) Eminem OT... Kinda Uh-oh, Mariah Carey has cut a diss record for Eminem called Clown on her new LP Charmbracelet in response to his Superman. You know what they say about 'a woman scorned'... :)
RE: (313) Eminem OT... Kinda
err... the target... EMI :) Dscaper -- Aeonflux Radio - http://www.aeonflux.co.uk A man who know's what he knows, and knows what he doesn't know, is the sign of a man who knows. -Original Message- From: Cyclone Wehner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 29 November 2002 01:13 To: 313 Detroit Subject: RE: (313) Eminem OT... Kinda Mar? Least she got more balls than Moby! She isn't confirming Clown is about dude, but it's pretty obvious! Maybe she is mad 8 Mile is better than Glitter. Don't know! Inbox Message From: Craig Harrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: (313) Eminem OT... Kinda Date: 29/11/2002 12:25:32 To: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org The irony is in the first three letters of the target's name... :) Dscaper -- Aeonflux Radio - http://www.aeonflux.co.uk A man who know's what he knows, and knows what he doesn't know, is the sign of a man who knows. -Original Message- From: Cyclone Wehner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 November 2002 22:42 To: 313 Detroit Subject: (313) Eminem OT... Kinda Uh-oh, Mariah Carey has cut a diss record for Eminem called Clown on her new LP Charmbracelet in response to his Superman. You know what they say about 'a woman scorned'... :)
RE: (313) New Re-releases On Planet E
As Michel points out, it was eventually released full-blown: Mowax (MW 061) = Headz II - Part A - Disk 1 - Track 12 Link to the pair on albums (II-A and II-B) on the front of the the site in my sig. Dscaper -- Aeonflux Radio - http://www.aeonflux.co.uk A man who know's what he knows, and knows what he doesn't know, is the sign of a man who knows. -Original Message- From: Michel Rijnders [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 24 November 2002 15:51 To: 313 Subject: Re: (313) New Re-releases On Planet E On Sun, 2002-11-24 at 12:40, Tristan Watkins wrote: Covert Action has not been previously available as a single Actually, it was released as a promo on Mo' Wax as part three in a series of three headz 2 samplers, cat # MW054 Cheers, Michel
RE: (313) New Re-releases On Planet E
Oh, and vinyl versions of both LP's were available also. Dscaper -- Aeonflux Radio - http://www.aeonflux.co.uk A man who know's what he knows, and knows what he doesn't know, is the sign of a man who knows. -Original Message- From: Craig Harrison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 24 November 2002 16:16 To: Michel Rijnders; 313 Subject: RE: (313) New Re-releases On Planet E As Michel points out, it was eventually released full-blown: Mowax (MW 061) = Headz II - Part A - Disk 1 - Track 12 Link to the pair on albums (II-A and II-B) on the front of the the site in my sig. Dscaper -- Aeonflux Radio - http://www.aeonflux.co.uk A man who know's what he knows, and knows what he doesn't know, is the sign of a man who knows. -Original Message- From: Michel Rijnders [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 24 November 2002 15:51 To: 313 Subject: Re: (313) New Re-releases On Planet E On Sun, 2002-11-24 at 12:40, Tristan Watkins wrote: Covert Action has not been previously available as a single Actually, it was released as a promo on Mo' Wax as part three in a series of three headz 2 samplers, cat # MW054 Cheers, Michel
(313) Somethings Growing
Don't get too worried. Alex might like it tho... http://www.aeonflux.co.uk - and click TIMELINE on the menu bar. It's only got entries for the artists on the playlist, but it's something to play with if you get really bored, or you go out on the road, and forget your notepad (then again, you'd have to have a computer, so that makes the notepad kinda pointless).. Umm. :) Dscaper -- Aeonflux Radio - http://www.aeonflux.co.uk A man who know's what he knows, and knows what he doesn't know, is the sign of a man who knows. -Original Message- From: Chris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 23 November 2002 17:14 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) Somewhere to hear good sounds tonight in London.. Hi, It's been a good few years since i posted on the 313, but I'm bored as hell and am looking for somewhere to go in London tonight where I can hear some Electro/Techno and move my legs a bit! - bit out of touch now days - any recommendations? Chris. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23/11/2002
RE: (313) new!
*lol* - hope you brought some more orange squash for the weekend. And make sure you've taken the annorak out of the washing machine. Then again, I mananged to pick up a 2nd hand copy of Techno : The New Dance Sound Of Detroit this week, so I'm celebrating with some lemon squash. :) Dscaper -- Aeonflux Radio - http://www.aeonflux.co.uk A man who know's what he knows, and knows what he doesn't know, is the sign of a man who knows. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 22 November 2002 14:32 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) new! Memo from Alex Bond of PricewaterhouseCoopers Start of message text Got loads of new bits this week. Thought I'd share them with the list, some might like to check them.. They're not all 313, but certainly related Francois K - Relix EP - Wave 12 Proving that there is a god after-all, Francois re-edits that classic cut 'Moov' from the FK ep into an 11 minute epic. I've never stopped listening to that EP, so this extended edit is a right bonus. Not sure what's going on on the B-side though. Metro Area - Dance Reaction - Source 12 This was probably on the LP which I never bought. Comes backed with a DFA mix of 'Orange Alert'. Good chance to get a copy of this on a nice loud 12 pressing. What can you say about Metro Area? It sounds like them, it's bang off and I'm still yet to hear them do a bad cut. Quality. The Visitors - The Race - Polish 12 Not sure if this is new or not, found it in a pile of promo's. I've been pretty impressed with the three other 12's on this label, all produced by 2 german dudes called MilleHirsch who I know f**k all about. I'd skip the A-side (slightly naff 'numbers' sample), which I don't really like and head for the 2002 rework on the B. Some people say these 2 sound like Metro Area, I don't know about that, but they're certainly creative samplers who produce nice warm cuts for the floor. Well worth checking, as are their other releases. Strand - Message 3 - Delsin 12 I've nearly worn out my copy of Message 2 and I've been absoloutely dying for this to come out and I'm in no way disappointed. 4 TOP quality detroit techno cuts, from broken beats to the 4/4 of Vamp, this is my kind of techno. In fact, it leaves me seething with anger because it makes me think of all the sh*te that people put out and label as techno, and releases like this sometimes get overlooked. Top drawer tackle. and the next person who winges at me I don't buy techno anymore cos people don't make it like they used to is going to get this rammed down their throat before I banjo them into next week. Aardvark - Cult Copy 12 - Rushhour 12 Fantastic club based stuff from Aardvark who usually has a more broken up style. This is absoloutely pounding on a big system, and I mean POUNDING. None of your normal 4/4 formulated rubbish here though, this is quality club music from Amsterdam, which in my opinion has to be going through probably the richest period in it's recent musical history. Anyone else agree? Apparently this is also featured on the new Carl craig mix CD too. that should tell you something : ) Amp Dog Knights - I'm doing fine - Mahogini 12 Already mentioned on the list, but I just wanted to add that I think that this is one smoooth record. Beautiful house music that my girlfriend keeps pestering me to tape for her. Good to see Moodymann moving on and refining his sound, so many others get stuck in a rut. Definitely not this boy though. Sun Ra - Saga of Resistance (Theo Parrish mixes) - Rushhour 12 OK, so I'm a Theo fan. I think you either like him or you don't. I do. Only given this one listen so far and it's typical deep Theo business. You'd recognise those beats anywhere. Unfortunately I'm ashamed to admit I don't know the original Sun Ra track, so I'm unqualified to comment, just wanted to let people know it was there to check. Buy it! Ultradyne - Unknown works - SCSI 12 Not checked this yet, but like before, wanted to let heads now that it is about. I think if I sat in a skip smoking crack for a week with the rain pouring down on me in Miles Platting, I still couldn't make a record as dark as this. These boys are the masters. I like Ultradyne. So, that's it. Apologies for those who don't buy records. You can just tell I've got loads on at work can't you : ) - End of message text This e-mail is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed. If an addressing or transmission error has misdirected this e-mail, please notify the author by replying to this e-mail. If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, disclose, copy, print or rely on this e-mail. The principal place of business of PricewaterhouseCoopers and its associate partnerships is 1 Embankment Place, London WC2N 6RH where lists of the partners' names are
RE: (313) new!
Hey.. careful there. Remember Winners Don't Do Vimto. Now I know what the cast of Grange Hill sang about all those days ago. :) Note to all 313'ers... if you're standing on the station platform, and someone offers you a fizzy fruit extract drink, that'll be Alex. Dscaper :) -- Aeonflux Radio - http://www.aeonflux.co.uk A man who know's what he knows, and knows what he doesn't know, is the sign of a man who knows. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 22 November 2002 16:30 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new! Memo from Alex Bond of PricewaterhouseCoopers Start of message text Craig *lol* - hope you brought some more orange squash for the weekend. And make sure you've taken the annorak out of the washing machine I've pushed the boat out on a bottle of Vimto. My anorak hasn't been washed since 1979. I put a new plaster on my glasses though and bought a new pad : ) - End of message text
RE: (313) RE: Has anyone had any dealings with these characters before?
Thanks for the heads up David. Had a very similar incident a while ago with two characters just down the road in Stoke. They claimed to have booked Alistair Whitehead, but spoke to Shelly (his wife) in the afternoon and he wasn't booked. By the time we tried to do anything about it, it was too late. Ended up with non of the DJ's they advertised, a sound system that had been compromised to the point of them bypassing the limiters, and the bouncers had to break down the DJ box door after they refused to stop. Worst of all, they'd done it under the name of the student union, so it took weeks to get our regular night's reputation back to normal. If anyone gets approached by students to do gigs, etc, and you're not sure about them, http://www.nusonline.co.uk/ and click Your Union. Some of the smaller colleges may only have part-time staff, but they can point you in the right direction. Dscaper -- Aeonflux Radio - http://www.aeonflux.co.uk A man who know's what he knows, and knows what he doesn't know, is the sign of a man who knows. -Original Message- From: David Hampson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 22 November 2002 16:29 To: 313@hyperreal.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: (313) RE: Has anyone had any dealings with these characters before? Just a warning after my initial enquiry on these guys - I have been speaking with their University and they are are officially dodgy characters, so if they contact you offering to sell you some rare tunes don't deal with them! Cheers David [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: (313) Record shipping
http://www.covers33.co.uk/mailers.htm That's about the only place I can find. :/ Dscaper -- Aeonflux Radio - http://www.aeonflux.co.uk A man who know's what he knows, and knows what he doesn't know, is the sign of a man who knows. -Original Message- From: Williams, Howard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 21 November 2002 11:23 To: 313 (E-mail) Subject: (313) Record shipping hi 313 sorry, this is somewhat off topic: do any UK 313ers know of the best place to get packaging in which to ship vinyl and how much this might be? i'm London based, but via the web would be ok too. i'm selling some stuff on ebay soon that's all. e me privately if you wish to help me out! cheers, h This e-mail and any attachment is for authorised use by the intended recipient(s) only. It may contain proprietary material, confidential information and/or be subject to legal privilege. It should not be copied, disclosed to, retained or used by, any other party. If you are not an intended recipient then please promptly delete this e-mail and any attachment and all copies and inform the sender. Thank you.
(313) If you see a copy in a shop....
Here's a spotters challenge... Cabaret Voltaire : Body and Soul (CD or LP) « TWI 944 » (Les Disques du Crepuscule, 1991) Used to have a copy on tape, but you can guess the rest. If anyone knows of a shop that's got a copy in, can they mail me URL or a mail addie to get in touch with them. Having problems getting hold of it, although I didn't think it was as rare as rocking horse sh*t. Dscaper :) -- Aeonflux Radio - http://www.aeonflux.co.uk A man who know's what he knows, and knows what he doesn't know, is the sign of a man who knows.
RE: (313) If you see a copy in a shop....
Thanks for the two links Alex/Steve. Soon as it arrives, I'll throw a few snippets of the tracks up, so you can see what you've let me in for. Thanks again. :) Dscaper -- Aeonflux Radio - http://www.aeonflux.co.uk A man who know's what he knows, and knows what he doesn't know, is the sign of a man who knows. -Original Message- From: Craig Harrison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 21 November 2002 15:15 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) If you see a copy in a shop Here's a spotters challenge... Cabaret Voltaire : Body and Soul (CD or LP) TWI 944 (Les Disques du Crepuscule, 1991) Used to have a copy on tape, but you can guess the rest. If anyone knows of a shop that's got a copy in, can they mail me URL or a mail addie to get in touch with them. Having problems getting hold of it, although I didn't think it was as rare as rocking horse sh*t. Dscaper :) -- Aeonflux Radio - http://www.aeonflux.co.uk A man who know's what he knows, and knows what he doesn't know, is the sign of a man who knows.
RE: (313) Fw: Techno: Detroit's Gift to the World
Nicely put Marc. The other thing to remember is that for people outside of the US (it does say gift to the world), the first real taste that many UK people had was Techno : The New Dance Sound Of Detroit (1988 - Ten Records - http://www.discogs.com/release/57919), on which EFF and Baxter also appeared. Dscaper -- Aeonflux Radio - http://www.aeonflux.co.uk A man who know's what he knows, and knows what he doesn't know, is the sign of a man who knows. -Original Message- From: Tristan Watkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 20 November 2002 07:10 To: 313; marc christensen Subject: Re: (313) Fw: Techno: Detroit's Gift to the World - Original Message - From: marc christensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 5:56 AM Subject: Re: (313) Fw: Techno: Detroit's Gift to the World 2) the whole group of people who were actively making music significantly in and around this scene. Which means that not only should Fowlkes be given due, but so too should Mills Mojo a whole bunch of other folks. Including Chicago artists, since Detroit and Chicago ended up being musical siblings to a great degree. Just as Detroit House was not merely Detroit simply stealing the Chicago sound (as a few books on music have foolishly mentioned and argued), so too the Chicago sound wouldn't have been the same without some Detroit influence. So 'nuff said -- it's bigger than the Belleville Three. To clarify, it sounds as though all three of these groups are being justly represented. The thing that impressed me was this quote and the accompanying picture with all four men in front of the museum: Learn the straight story of how Juan Atkins, Eddie Fowlkes, Derrick May and Kevin Saunderson, four young men from metro Detroit, created and developed this electronic style of dance music and trace its early beginnings from local Detroit clubs to its emergence as a global sensation. All of this can be found here: http://www.detroithistorical.org/exhibits/index.asp?MID=368 I feel I should clarify one thing: In my mind (as an outsider who was too young to be there for the '80s portion anyway), too much spotlight has been given to the Belleville Three, and this is just my opinion. I already made my arguments for why I think EFF should be mentioned in the same breath as them, and I absolutely agree that any history has to stretch beyond them, to Germany, Chicago and New York (and to pre-house roots), to the influential DJs in Detroit like Ken Collier, Alton Miller, The Wizard, Alan Oldham, Mojo and others. What I was pleased with, is that we are accustomed to seeing the Belleville Three as figureheads for Detroit Techno, and I think that's almost a reasoable short-hand if a short-hand needs to exist (and clearly it does). You can point to the people who made the first records as a creative nexus for the sound. BUT, I think if you're going to do that, you need to include EFF, b/c I think the discog tells that history accurately. I mean, it's silly to debate this stuff too fiercely. I could ask why A Number of Names isn't sitting beside them in front of the museum. The point for me is that *I think* EFF has had the same sort of definitive role as the other three (albeit without a label as Dan Sicko mentioned the other day). I can only assume this is the reason the museum saw fit to include him in the same breath and picture. And before anyone yells at me, I'm only trying to clarify an off-the-cuff comment founded in EFF's under-representation. I don't pretend to be a historian, but I'm sure most can agree he's overlooked far too often, even if you don't agree with all I'm saying above. Tristan = Text/Mixes: http://phonopsia.tripod.com Music: http://www.mp313.com Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] New Mix in mp3, 'Live in Iowa City' available for a short time from http://phonopsia.isoprax.com
RE: (313) fairmount squad
Techno Hustlers EP? What exactly do you want to know? Dscaper -- Aeonflux Radio - http://www.aeonflux.co.uk A man who know's what he knows, and knows what he doesn't know, is the sign of a man who knows. -Original Message- From: marsel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 20 November 2002 10:22 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) fairmount squad just digged up this record again.. it's a release from 1998, by Fairmount Squad on the label Goal Line Records it was cut at NSC any idea, how, what, why? more release ? still wanting to know more.. ? np. duplex - aerosoul .. . :: http://nomorewords.net
RE: (313) fairmount squad
Ahhh... it was the any idea, how, what, why? bit that confusled me. I was going to answer: How : With electronic devices What : It's a 12 record Why : Because they could But that would be taking it too far. ;) Dscaper -- Aeonflux Radio - http://www.aeonflux.co.uk A man who know's what he knows, and knows what he doesn't know, is the sign of a man who knows. -Original Message- From: marsel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 20 November 2002 10:38 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) fairmount squad well, like i said who is/are the artists? were there any more releases by this artist? were there any other releases on this label things like that :) At 20-11-2002 + 10:39, you wrote: Techno Hustlers EP? What exactly do you want to know? Dscaper -- -Original Message- From: marsel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 20 November 2002 10:22 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) fairmount squad just digged up this record again.. it's a release from 1998, by Fairmount Squad on the label Goal Line Records it was cut at NSC any idea, how, what, why? more release ? still wanting to know more.. ? .. . :: http://nomorewords.net
RE: (313) re: best decks
Don't DJ here any more, but I nearly always used the outside to drag or push on 1210's, and never had motor problems with them at all. More often than not, you'd have to take the 1210's apart to get back the bezel for the on/off. The only other viable way of speeding/slowing without going against the motor is by over/under-repitching. If you try and play with the vinyl, you either end up not having an effect, or you over step the mark (that doesn't include press-pushing it, as that's working against the motor also). I'd say that using the spindle is probably more risky than using the outside, unless you really want to throw some speed into getting it matched. Again, if you get it wrong, you can knock back the mix by more than you really need, or you find that the motor overrides your attempts, and you get further out. Only time I really used the spindle was for phasing tracks by thumbing the spindle (never grab it, as you may find that a heavily-used deck may have more give in the motor). The only thing I found with Technics was the accuracy between +/- 2 and the point at which the pitch light goes on/off. Usually over a 120bpm track you'd lose/gain quarter to half a bpm. Not sure if that's relevant anymore with newer versions (if there are any). Dscaper -- Aeonflux Radio - http://www.aeonflux.co.uk A man who know's what he knows, and knows what he doesn't know, is the sign of a man who knows. -Original Message- From: James Bucknell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 21 November 2002 16:08 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) re: best decks jeebers--it's bad to slow a record by dragging your finger against the platter? does the same apply to speeding the record up by twisting the spindle? i just watched what dj pierre did and tried to do the same. so how are you meant to slow a record on the 1200s without touching the platter? james From: seth redmond [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 11:49:45 + To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) re: best decks I'm still undecided on whether the torque is better or worse. Although it seems logical to get as much as possible, when I tried mixing on Vestax I missed the ability to drop a record back into time by dragging my finger across the edge of the plate as I could with 1200s; although unexpectedly had no trouble moving back to technics again. I am pretty convinced that once I got out of this habit (bad for the motor in any case) I wouldn't mind. The only thing I am sure I would miss on technics is the +10 pitch control. I never had to use the +50's but I've often found that I was agonisingly just-out-of-range on the technics and had to piss about subtely speeding the other record up / down it's not the first time I've heard doubts about the build quality, but don't know anyone who's had them long enough for it to be an issue. their mixers have always been pretty nice mind. -s From: Neil Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Langsman, Marc' [EMAIL PROTECTED],'seth redmond' [EMAIL PROTECTED],313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) re: best decks Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 10:49:55 - I got one pdx 2000 (as it was all I could afford at the time) and I really love it: -50% is actually really useful as use you can mix things at half tempo to do some weird x2s, having a reverse button is also very useful and yes they seem to have quite a lot more torque - which may not be a good thing if you play out a lot as after using vestax technics feel very light and you need to use a much gentler touch and yeah skipping is virtually non existent which I believe is due to the tonearm being designed to produce no lateral force perpendicular to the tonearm instead all the forces run parallel to the tonearm (or that's the theory anyway) Build quality wise I would say that echnics still have the edge insomuch as touching the deck with the needle on the record doesn't seem to make a noise thru the speakers whereas at high volumes if you tap the vestax you can hear the tapping. _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail
RE: (313) re: best decks
You can do the same on a 1210 tho... just lift the needle off the record. Problem is tho, you have to make it sound like you meant to do it. ;) Dscaper -- Aeonflux Radio - http://www.aeonflux.co.uk A man who know's what he knows, and knows what he doesn't know, is the sign of a man who knows. -Original Message- From: Neil Wallace [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 20 November 2002 12:42 To: 'T.J.Johnson'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) re: best decks Ah yes that reminds me about the other cool feature on the pdx2000s - the stop button stops records dead - no slow down at all really and there is a pot to adjust the braking speed from this to power off style slow down (there is also one for start up speed which is slightly less useful)
RE: (313) re: best decks
Depends a little bit on the amount of time you've got to get the mix in, and whether or not the target track is being thrown out to into the open, or whether it's only in your cans. Pitch mixing also means you've got to know your tracks very well, OR (I emphasise or) that you've cheated in some way (front-back box, or BPM's on labels). Horses for courses as they say. ;) Dscaper -- Aeonflux Radio - http://www.aeonflux.co.uk A man who know's what he knows, and knows what he doesn't know, is the sign of a man who knows. -Original Message- From: Toby Frith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 20 November 2002 12:03 To: James Bucknell; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) re: best decks I've yet to master the trick of using the pitch adjust to do it. Tricky, but the best way. - Original Message - From: James Bucknell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 4:07 PM Subject: Re: (313) re: best decks jeebers--it's bad to slow a record by dragging your finger against the platter? does the same apply to speeding the record up by twisting the spindle? i just watched what dj pierre did and tried to do the same. so how are you meant to slow a record on the 1200s without touching the platter? james From: seth redmond [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 11:49:45 + To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) re: best decks I'm still undecided on whether the torque is better or worse. Although it seems logical to get as much as possible, when I tried mixing on Vestax I missed the ability to drop a record back into time by dragging my finger across the edge of the plate as I could with 1200s; although unexpectedly had no trouble moving back to technics again. I am pretty convinced that once I got out of this habit (bad for the motor in any case) I wouldn't mind. The only thing I am sure I would miss on technics is the +10 pitch control. I never had to use the +50's but I've often found that I was agonisingly just-out-of-range on the technics and had to piss about subtely speeding the other record up / down it's not the first time I've heard doubts about the build quality, but don't know anyone who's had them long enough for it to be an issue. their mixers have always been pretty nice mind. -s From: Neil Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Langsman, Marc' [EMAIL PROTECTED],'seth redmond' [EMAIL PROTECTED],313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) re: best decks Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 10:49:55 - I got one pdx 2000 (as it was all I could afford at the time) and I really love it: -50% is actually really useful as use you can mix things at half tempo to do some weird x2s, having a reverse button is also very useful and yes they seem to have quite a lot more torque - which may not be a good thing if you play out a lot as after using vestax technics feel very light and you need to use a much gentler touch and yeah skipping is virtually non existent which I believe is due to the tonearm being designed to produce no lateral force perpendicular to the tonearm instead all the forces run parallel to the tonearm (or that's the theory anyway) Build quality wise I would say that echnics still have the edge insomuch as touching the deck with the needle on the record doesn't seem to make a noise thru the speakers whereas at high volumes if you tap the vestax you can hear the tapping. _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail
RE: (313) re: best decks
Like I said in the post before
Horses for courses. ;)
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-Original Message-
From: Tristan Watkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 20 November 2002 13:57
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Toby Frith; James Bucknell; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) re: best decks
- Original Message -
From: Craig Harrison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Toby Frith [EMAIL PROTECTED]; James Bucknell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 1:45 PM
Subject: RE: (313) re: best decks
Depends a little bit on the amount of time you've got to get the mix in,
and
whether or not the target track is being thrown out to into the open, or
whether it's only in your cans. Pitch mixing also means you've
got to know
your tracks very well, OR (I emphasise or) that you've cheated
in some way
(front-back box, or BPM's on labels).
Just a matter of practice if ya ask me ('cheating' isn't
necessary), but it
always helps to know your records of course. There's no reason mixing with
the pitch should ever be slower if you've learned to mix that way. I can't
say I'm at the 10-20 seconds rate that Jonny's got, but I can
match to where
I'd feel comfortable easing it in within the first 16 bars (about 25-30
seconds) - some tracks/circumstances are harder than others of course.
It's futile for anyone to try and convince someone else they should mix
differently than what works for them, but I will say this much from my own
experience: I know a number of people who used to swear by touching their
records (including me) who now only touch their records in the mix if they
really f*ck up, but I don't know anyone who's learned to mix w/o touching
that has decided that touching records in the mix is a better way
to do it.
If you ever want to see a master of this technique, watch TP.
Tristan
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RE: (313) re: best decks
I you're all getting the wrong end of the stick with what I'm saying. Firstly, my comments were in association to a little bit upon the circumstances (i.e. awkward venue acoustics, bad/underpowered/non-existant monitors, headphone breakdown). Secondly, I worked long and hard enough to mix either via touching or shifting since 1991 (professionally for 6 years) using a mix of the two as a basis. Lastly, You can *hear* whether a record is too fast or slow. You don't have to know in advance. - ahhh now I know why headphones and a monitor come in handy. Please. :) I'll reiterate Horses for courses as they say. BTW, you're initials ain't CJ are they? :) I think I got out of bed on the wrong side this morning. This sarcastic headache won't waver. Dscaper -- Aeonflux Radio - http://www.aeonflux.co.uk A man who know's what he knows, and knows what he doesn't know, is the sign of a man who knows. -Original Message- From: Jonny McIntosh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 20 November 2002 14:08 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Toby Frith; James Bucknell; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) re: best decks I don't mean to go on, but... You can *hear* whether a record is too fast or slow. You don't have to know in advance. Also: cueing up is *faster* when you get used to not touching the records. Try it. If anything, pitch mixing means you have more control over records and therefore don't have to worry about, say, disco records that speed up at a chorus: you accurately compensate as it happens. I'll say it again: try it. I don't touch records in the mix, and I don't organise my records by bpm or front - back (I'm not sure what that means but I think you mean programming out a set in advance), and believe it or not, can mix records I've never heard before: I buy new ones after all. And it is much easier doing this by using the pitch control. Depends a little bit on the amount of time you've got to get the mix in, and whether or not the target track is being thrown out to into the open, or whether it's only in your cans. Pitch mixing also means you've got to know your tracks very well, OR (I emphasise or) that you've cheated in some way (front-back box, or BPM's on labels). Horses for courses as they say. ;)
RE: (313) re: best decks
*rotflmao* - try not to take this post the same way as you took the last. Yes, it was partially sarcastic as I mention at the bottom of my last post, but you will also notice I smile alot when doing so. If I was serious about it, then I don't smile. :) Ok, last post on this, as the next food I'm keeping to myself, instead of feeding the trolls. I don't quite get what you're saying - you're right. Please try and construct well formed sentences, it makes it easier for me. I'll break it down into nice and simple sentances for you, so that you can dissect them later at your pleasure. :) Maybe you feel your 6 years' professional experience is being undermined? I'm sorry about that. Quite the opposite. I'm certain that there are many many many more people that read these threads that are far better than I am and in a far shorter timespan. But I ain't the one that stated the ability to play unknown records on the fly, so it equates that I at least justify my previous position as having a little experience of the dj'ing. I'm suggesting people can try the pitch control technique - it's not, as you seem to be saying (and this is a prime example of where you get incoherent), cheating or impossible. It isn't. I never said impossible. But as people have already highlighted, when time is against you in a mix, sometimes stalling/pushing a track might be the one thing that can save that mix. Some people prefer to touch the platter, other people don't. I've never advised either way on which was correct/wrong, and I was highlighting the instances of why you may need to stall/push. Alot of people can pitch mix because of the style of music that they play, whereas other genres demand a far higher usage of push/stall. (I emphasise or) in my previous post was key to how you chose to read it, as I was attempting to indicate that people should at least try and gain a good working knowledge; not of a track, but how a track is built. That was an error on my part, and I apologise. :) I do it, others do it and it's fine. It's OK. Maybe you just can't manage it. That's OK too. Believe me I can do it. :) Lastly: I've thought about not replying to this, but your tone annoys me. More fool me :P So I apologise for being involved in this most ludicrous of threads. serious I thought it was quite useful actually, as it's highlighted the different ways in which people mix. What I think is ludicrous is the way in which people can somehow read between the lines and use a bit of creative thinking to try a force a thread down a path that it was never intended to be taken. At no point have I dilluted the thoughts of others to fit my own devices. Lastly, I was actually being serious about the CJ, and the hehe after the statement was in worry, and not in jest of your name. I do have limitation as to how far I will dive to drag up humour. It wouldn't be the first (nor would it be the last) time that someone has turned out to be someone. /serious Oh, and Horses for Courses is the same Different strokes for different folks. ;) Dscaper -- Aeonflux Radio - http://www.aeonflux.co.uk A man who know's what he knows, and knows what he doesn't know, is the sign of a man who knows.
RE: (313) re: best decks
I did say it would be my last post, but it wouldn't be right for obvious reasons. My apologies also. I must admit I haven't exactly been in the best of moods, and likewise I may have also misread comments. Well, at least we can lay claim to entertain the other list members for the afternoon. :) Seth Raymond (thread starter) had better buy some decks now or me and Mac are going to take his head off. *lol* Dscaper :) -- Aeonflux Radio - http://www.aeonflux.co.uk A man who know's what he knows, and knows what he doesn't know, is the sign of a man who knows. -Original Message- From: Jonny McIntosh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 20 November 2002 20:18 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) re: best decks OK. If I've misread I apologise, though I'll confess I'm still unable to see it when I read your emails. That's not reading between lines :) Just one point, I'm sure you *can* play unknown records on the fly: all records are unknown at some point. That's precisely my point about pitch control: it's a lot easier. If it isn't your bag, then fair enough. I don't think we actually disagree there, given my misreading. And I'm not suggesting you do have to do it all the time. As Neil pointed out to me, if you need to be at plus 8, you're going to have to use your hands. I'm not claiming there's any more merit in it than as a general approach. If I've given the impression of suggesting people must mix in one way then that'll be my mistake. My last post on this. Take care, J R McIntosh ;)
RE: (313) vinyl burn (was re: best decks)
Older needles will damage the vinyl more than new ones (because the surface area that actually touches the vinyl is smaller on older needles). But you will still get damage to vinyl either new or old... it's friction and time. :( Dscaper -- Aeonflux Radio - http://www.aeonflux.co.uk A man who know's what he knows, and knows what he doesn't know, is the sign of a man who knows. -Original Message- From: Rc [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 20 November 2002 20:56 To: 313 Subject: Re: (313) vinyl burn (was re: best decks) while we are kinda on topic.I wanted to ask about vinyl burning and stylii if you've got old styliil can they damage your wax? I was playing around with two copies and repeating the intro for ages...and then when I played the same record the next day the intro was all staticy and defintely sounded damaged. is this vinyl burn? on some stylli/cartridge ads they talk about this 'vinyl burn'.can old needles damage your wax? rc on 21/11/02 7:18 AM, Jonny McIntosh at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK. If I've misread I apologise, though I'll confess I'm still unable to see it when I read your emails. That's not reading between lines :) Just one point, I'm sure you *can* play unknown records on the fly: all records are unknown at some point. That's precisely my point about pitch control: it's a lot easier. If it isn't your bag, then fair enough. I don't think we actually disagree there, given my misreading. And I'm not suggesting you do have to do it all the time. As Neil pointed out to me, if you need to be at plus 8, you're going to have to use your hands. I'm not claiming there's any more merit in it than as a general approach. If I've given the impression of suggesting people must mix in one way then that'll be my mistake. My last post on this. Take care, J R McIntosh ;)
RE: (313) vinyl burn (was re: best decks)
Oh, and when you're rocking the track backwards, it's effectively pushing the needle into the vinyl more than going forwards (which is more drag). Dscaper -- Aeonflux Radio - http://www.aeonflux.co.uk A man who know's what he knows, and knows what he doesn't know, is the sign of a man who knows. -Original Message- From: Rc [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 20 November 2002 20:56 To: 313 Subject: Re: (313) vinyl burn (was re: best decks) while we are kinda on topic.I wanted to ask about vinyl burning and stylii if you've got old styliil can they damage your wax? I was playing around with two copies and repeating the intro for ages...and then when I played the same record the next day the intro was all staticy and defintely sounded damaged. is this vinyl burn? on some stylli/cartridge ads they talk about this 'vinyl burn'.can old needles damage your wax? rc on 21/11/02 7:18 AM, Jonny McIntosh at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK. If I've misread I apologise, though I'll confess I'm still unable to see it when I read your emails. That's not reading between lines :) Just one point, I'm sure you *can* play unknown records on the fly: all records are unknown at some point. That's precisely my point about pitch control: it's a lot easier. If it isn't your bag, then fair enough. I don't think we actually disagree there, given my misreading. And I'm not suggesting you do have to do it all the time. As Neil pointed out to me, if you need to be at plus 8, you're going to have to use your hands. I'm not claiming there's any more merit in it than as a general approach. If I've given the impression of suggesting people must mix in one way then that'll be my mistake. My last post on this. Take care, J R McIntosh ;)
RE: (313) re: best decks
Had a play along time ago on a set of gold-plated Technics. The shop keeper wasn't too happy when I put 5-pence pieces on the back of the carts tho. I think they were something to do with their anniversary (mid-90's). Dscaper -- Aeonflux Radio - http://www.aeonflux.co.uk A man who know's what he knows, and knows what he doesn't know, is the sign of a man who knows. -Original Message- From: Fred Heutte [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 20 November 2002 20:34 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) re: best decks I know, I've given this speech before. It's more or less an accident of history that the Technics 1200 founded the modern DJ age and continues to be the standard turntable. It's certainly been put to far more different kinds of uses than the designers could ever have imagined. The real reason is that, overall, it is a marvel of mechanical engineering. There's a lot of talk about torque and how the Vestax design meets or exceeds the Technics, but what you don't hear about is that delicate balance between torque, starting speed and platter weight that distinguishes the 1200 from all other turntables. This is what makes the 1200 a musical instrument, at least in a secondary way, as compared to a mere audio reproduction device. The 1200 has its share of faults -- everyone hates the placement of the on-off switch, and the little pop-up light, which requires something approaching knee surgery to fix, is useful but the lights are difficult and expensive to replace. I've found almost universally that, when pitched off the 0% locked pitch position, they spin just a little faster after being stopped and restarted. And rotation speeds are very consistent over most of the pitch range but vary noticeably once you get above +/- 6%. And don't even get me started about how they rip off customers on replacement parts like covers. Last I checked, it was $45 per HINGE on those covers! The 1200 has a number of clever design features that go almost unnoticed. And there is a consistency of materials and construction that's always evident. Even beat-up club 1200s are pretty reliable. The 1200 was first marketed to some degree as an audiophile turntable, since it evolved out of the high-end Technics line of the day. It was hardly then and certainly not now a true audiophile unit. Just the rumble figures alone would scare the average reader of Absolute Sound. But we're not here to talk about playing 180 gram virgin vinyl on $6,000 turntables. You laugh! But take a look: http://www.audiocircuit.com/9150-turntable-circuit/Commercial/Nott ingham%20Analogue- NOT/9150CMNOT.htm Besides, the 1200 rumble adds the distinctive je-ne-sais-quoi to a really good bassline playing on a Really Big Sound System. I've seen 1200s that ran daily for 10 years without a hitch, although you can tell the pitch controls are ral loose! I've seen them indoors in all kinds of situations including on stages that bounced like trampolines, outdoors on the beach and in the hills, and they are almost if not quite indestructible. I've seen DJs do all kinds of crazy things with 1200s, not just backspins, platter twists and what have you. Not even Rotator plumbed the depths of what a 1200 can do. If you watch enough DJs over the years, you'll be surprised at how many different ways there are to play. There is great versatility built into its somewhat simple and otherwise nondescript design. I'm not always a believer in the standard equipment in a given field. I use the Opera browser instead of Internet Explorer, and have never worn a pair of Nike shoes even though Portland where I live is Niketown. But the 1200 deserves its place as *the* standard DJ turntable. Fred
RE: (313) re: best decks
http://www.homedj.co.uk/Images/Product/Technics/Decks/sl1200ltd.gif Sexay. :) Dscaper -- Aeonflux Radio - http://www.aeonflux.co.uk A man who know's what he knows, and knows what he doesn't know, is the sign of a man who knows. -Original Message- From: Tristan Watkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 20 November 2002 21:52 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fred Heutte; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) re: best decks - Original Message - From: Craig Harrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Fred Heutte [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 9:07 PM Subject: RE: (313) re: best decks Had a play along time ago on a set of gold-plated Technics. The shop keeper wasn't too happy when I put 5-pence pieces on the back of the carts tho. I think they were something to do with their anniversary (mid-90's). Were they black as well? I seem to recall seeing some gold plated 1210's when they first came out. I think it was some kind of promotion or limited edition, as you say. Tristan = Text/Mixes: http://phonopsia.tripod.com Music: http://www.mp313.com Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] New Mix in mp3, 'Live in Iowa City' available for a short time from http://phonopsia.isoprax.com
RE: (313) Books on Detroit's Music
I'm insulted. *kidding* ;) There's a subtle difference between new to the list, and new to techno (and music in general) tho. Anyway I'm going down town. I've run out of orange squash, and I need more stickers for me flask. Dscaper -- Aeonflux Radio - http://www.aeonflux.co.uk A man who know's what he knows, and knows what he doesn't know, is the sign of a man who knows. -Original Message- From: Matthew MacQueen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 November 2002 23:24 To: 313@hyperreal.org Cc: Wes; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Dan Sicko (E-mail) Subject: RE: (313) Books on Detroit's Music We'll need to get these books listed on the 313 site/FAQ... in addition to the already mentioned (ultimate D-techno backgrounder book): Techno Rebels. I kind of consider that required homework for those new to the list anyway :) thanks, Matt MacQueen -Original Message- From: Wes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 5:19 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) Books on Detroit's Music On Mon, 18 Nov 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pick up the book Before Motown to find out about Detroits jazz history before motown. Anything about Motown. Here's the details on that one for all those interested: Before Motown: A History of Jazz in Detroit, 1920-60, (2001). Lars Bjorn w/Jim Gallert. Check these as well, especially the first one: Dancing in the Street: Motown and the Cultural Politics of Detroit, (2000). Suzanne E. Smith. One Nation Under a Groove: Motown and American Culture, (1995). Gerald L. Early.
RE: (313) books on techno
Don't forget Warp, Network and the others in the UK before them. ;) Dscaper -- Aeonflux Radio - http://www.aeonflux.co.uk A man who know's what he knows, and knows what he doesn't know, is the sign of a man who knows. -Original Message- From: seth redmond [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 19 November 2002 17:29 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) books on techno I found this a bit grating after a while. Not that the book's bad or anything, but no matter how tenuous the connection it starts every review along the lines of Whilst Derek May, Kevin Saunderson and Juan atkins were developing the cold machine stylings of their native detroit --insert european name here-- was being influenced by the countryside which surrounded his home town of --somewhere nordic / dutch / german-- -s One of the best sources I know of is Techno : The rough Guide by Tim Barr. Every third page features either a Detroit techno artist or a reference to Detroit techno. _ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus
RE: (313) Has anyone had any dealings with these characters before?
Best person to try is the Entertainment Manager at the student union. Not sure who's looking after that department now, as Bruce Ferguson left some time ago. The other people to try and get in touch with are the ents/bar managers at Staffs Uni, as both uni's stay in touch alot, and they tend to know who's who within the student ents circles. Good venue there tho. DJ'ed with Rampling to about 2 and half thousand people. He wasn't in a good mood at the time tho, as his driver had managed to write-off his new Rover. Best light and sound rig I ever saw/heard in uni venues. Dscaper -- Aeonflux Radio - http://www.aeonflux.co.uk A man who know's what he knows, and knows what he doesn't know, is the sign of a man who knows. -Original Message- From: David Hampson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 19 November 2002 23:33 To: 313@hyperreal.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: (313) Has anyone had any dealings with these characters before? Has anyone ever had any dealings with Umesh Sonigra or Sanjay Mistry from the University of Loughborough, or indeed has any deal in the pipeline? If so can you give me a shout off list... Cheers David [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: (313) 8-Mile - Detroit music history
You're telling me! - a searchable archive would be fantastic. There's a catch 22 for new people (one of which is me), in that it's fairly tricky to say the least that people like myself would like to make a post about something, but as we all know could be responded to with the see the archives reply. My mouse can only take so much scrolling before the wheel melts. :) Dscaper. Aeonflux Radio - http://www.aeonflux.co.uk -Original Message- From: techno [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 November 2002 06:55 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) 8-Mile - Detroit music history snip in response to your last paragraph a searchable database for the 313 list archives would be very helpful.
RE: (313) body and soul NYC
http://www.bodyandsoul-nyc.com/ Is that the one your after? Dscaper Aeonflux Radio - http:/www.aeonflux.co.uk -Original Message- From: Rc [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 November 2002 09:41 To: 313 Subject: (313) body and soul NYC was there was a link posted recently about the last body and soul in NYC? or does someone know the body and soul url? thanx
RE: (313) Exhibit
Let's hope Tate Modern pick up on it. Something like this in there would be something special. Dscaper -- Aeonflux Radio - http://www.aeonflux.co.uk A man who know's what he knows, and knows what he doesn't know, is the sign of a man who knows. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 November 2002 14:46 To: sean deason Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Exhibit This is good- Techno: Detroit's Gift to the World is the Detroit Historical Museum's first traveling exhibit in more than 15 years. Upon its closing in June 2004, the exhibit will tour educational institutions and museums around the world. I'm going to see if we can get it to come this-a-way before it heads off to Europe for 15 years. MEK sean deason [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: 313@hyperreal.org t.net cc: Subject: (313) Exhibit 11/17/02 02:47 PM did this get posted already? LINK http://www.detroithistorical.org/exhibits/index.asp?MID=368 Techno: Detroit's Gift to the World January 2003 - June 2004 Detroit Historical Museum's Stark Hall History is often thought of as a series of events that occurred a very long time ago. The truth is, history is also what happened yesterday, five minutes ago, and in fact, today's events will be tomorrow's history. With this in mind the Detroit Historical Museum has partnered with the originators of Techno to share the story of their music. This groundbreaking exhibit will trace Techno's early beginning from its Detroit roots to its emergence as a global sensation. An ambitious new exhibit - the world's first on the subject -- that celebrates a style of music born in Detroit that has kept the world dancing for more than 20 years. Learn the straight story of how Juan Atkins, Eddie Fowlkes, Derrick May and Kevin Saunderson, four young men from metro Detroit, created and developed this electronic style of dance music and trace its early beginnings from local Detroit clubs to its emergence as a global sensation.
RE: (313) 8-Mile - Detroit music history
Ouch... that one's gotta hurt. ;) Dscaper -- Aeonflux Radio - http://www.aeonflux.co.uk A man who know's what he knows, and knows what he doesn't know, is the sign of a man who knows. (P.S. Puchaser of both Detroit and global techno... first rule of music is never to close your ears because of boundaries.) -Original Message- From: Jongsma, K.J. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 November 2002 11:01 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) 8-Mile - Detroit music history Fred I'm not here to troll, it comes down to a difference in opinion. I'm here because I have an interest in 313 music, I've been buying Detroit techno since 1989. And why do you think we are on this list? [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- DISCLAIMER De gemeente Almelo aanvaardt voor haar medewerkers geen enkele aansprakelijkheid voor eventueel onjuist, onrechtmatig of ontoelaatbaar geacht gebruik van e-mail (inclusief bijlagen). Dit e-mail bericht is door de gemeente Almelo gecontroleerd op de aanwezigheid van eventuele virussen. Wij kunnen echter geen garantie afgeven dat al onze e-mail berichten volledig virus vrij zijn. Het is daarom verstandig uw binnenkomende e-mail berichten zelf op de mogelijke aanwezigheid van virussen te controleren. --
RE: (313) 8-Mile - Detroit music history
If you (I say figuratively) parse each message in a db (MySQL will suffice), then it's a case of working out the relationships between threads (reply to's, timestamps, etc). It's possible that's for sure. If anyone out there has got a breakdown of mail protocol, and standards used by the mail manager, then I can help throw some code together. Dscaper -- Aeonflux Radio - http://www.aeonflux.co.uk A man who know's what he knows, and knows what he doesn't know, is the sign of a man who knows. -Original Message- From: Dan Sicko [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 November 2002 15:39 To: Fred Heutte Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) 8-Mile - Detroit music history As for doing a searchable index of the 313 archives, Hyperreal is a volunteer-run system and would welcome someone coming along to hook up a bit of this and a bit of that and do it. As we always say, it's an SMOP -- simple matter of programming. If anyone has an idea as to how to do this without having all the messages from the last 8 years exist as standard Web pages that can be tracked by search engines, let me know. Used to be that browsers could open up the GZIPs and read them right in the browser window, right? -d
RE: (313) [313] rockin' doubles.
2 copies of Hardfloor's Acperience 1 sounds very nice. It's one of those things where you not only need 2 copies, but 2 copies that have been pressed well. Otherwise you end up with the sampling getting phased too fast when you thumb the spindle. (If that's the right terminology) ;) Dscaper. -Original Message- From: Tristan Watkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 November 2002 12:08 To: Lee Herrington IV; 313 Subject: Re: (313) [313] rockin' doubles. - Original Message - From: Lee Herrington IV [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 11:57 AM Subject: (313) [313] rockin' doubles. hi folks. i was palying around with two copies of dbx, losing control... it's a good thing. the more out of synch the beats get, the more appropriate the phrasing of the track becomes. i'm losing control. can anyone recommend other D tracks that are fun to toy with? All the Maurizio records, especially M5 and M6. Rob Hood's 'Untitled'. Surprise, surprise, these are minimal too! :) Sean Deason as Freq's 'Xirtram 2'. There's a Claude Young on Frictional I like to mess with too, but I can never seem to get it quite right. Maybe these are just the records I have doubles of... :) Tristan = Text/Mixes: http://phonopsia.tripod.com Music: http://www.mp313.com Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] New Mix in mp3, 'Live in Iowa City' available for a short time from http://phonopsia.isoprax.com
RE: (313) Quadrant Planet E
*lol* - I take it you'll be the one with the annorak on, and the flash of luke warm orange squash? Dscaper. ;) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 November 2002 13:38 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) Quadrant Planet E Memo from Alex Bond of PricewaterhouseCoopers Start of message text Right. Because I'm a pedantic t**t, I feel compelled to answer this. and, yes, I am a spotter. The Quadrant thing was first issued on coloured vinyl (blue?), with the coloured mosaic label. Then it came out with the same coloured mosaic label on black vinyl. Then it was issued several years later on blue? vinyl with the blue/grey/white buildings label. Anyone who cares to argue, I'll meet you behind the bikesheds after school and we'll have it toe to toe. : ) (even if I am wrong) - End of message text This e-mail is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed. If an addressing or transmission error has misdirected this e-mail, please notify the author by replying to this e-mail. If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, disclose, copy, print or rely on this e-mail. The principal place of business of PricewaterhouseCoopers and its associate partnerships is 1 Embankment Place, London WC2N 6RH where lists of the partners' names are available for inspection. All partners in the associate partnerships are authorised to conduct business as agents of, and all contracts for services to clients are with, PricewaterhouseCoopers. The UK firm of PricewaterhouseCoopers is authorised by the Financial Services Authority for investment business activities. PricewaterhouseCoopers is a member of the world-wide PricewaterhouseCoopers organisation. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring. Visit our website http://www.pwcglobal.com _ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer.
RE: (313) [313] rockin' doubles.
Speaking of Mills.. I used to have 2 copies of Changes Of Life. You could work that track to death in so many ways. Dscaper. http://www.aeonflux.co.uk - Aeonflux Radio -Original Message- From: Dan Kurzius [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 November 2002 15:22 To: Lee Herrington IV; 313 Subject: RE: (313) [313] rockin' doubles. dbx Phreak bounces nicely, as does jeff mills the bells. you can also do some cool flanging tricks with 2 copies of the bells. dK -Original Message- From: Lee Herrington IV [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 6:58 AM To: 313 Subject: (313) [313] rockin' doubles. hi folks. i was palying around with two copies of dbx, losing control... it's a good thing. the more out of synch the beats get, the more appropriate the phrasing of the track becomes. i'm losing control. can anyone recommend other D tracks that are fun to toy with? peace, lrh
RE: (313) [313] rockin' doubles.
*lol* - yeah... you have to know the track inside-out otherwise you end up with a really twisted piano shift in the wrong place. But, hey... where's the challenge if it was easy? hehehe Another good one... 2 * Wiggin by May. Dscaper. ;) http://www.aeonflux.co.uk - Aeonflux Radio -Original Message- From: Langsman, Marc [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 November 2002 16:01 To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; Dan Kurzius; Lee Herrington IV; 313 Subject: RE: (313) [313] rockin' doubles. yeah totally ! it *can* sound pretty nasty tho if you'renot careful ! peace, marc -Original Message- From: Craig Harrison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 November 2002 16:00 To: Dan Kurzius; Lee Herrington IV; 313 Subject: RE: (313) [313] rockin' doubles. Speaking of Mills.. I used to have 2 copies of Changes Of Life. You could work that track to death in so many ways. Dscaper. http://www.aeonflux.co.uk - Aeonflux Radio -Original Message- From: Dan Kurzius [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 November 2002 15:22 To: Lee Herrington IV; 313 Subject: RE: (313) [313] rockin' doubles. dbx Phreak bounces nicely, as does jeff mills the bells. you can also do some cool flanging tricks with 2 copies of the bells. dK -Original Message- From: Lee Herrington IV [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 6:58 AM To: 313 Subject: (313) [313] rockin' doubles. hi folks. i was palying around with two copies of dbx, losing control... it's a good thing. the more out of synch the beats get, the more appropriate the phrasing of the track becomes. i'm losing control. can anyone recommend other D tracks that are fun to toy with? peace, lrh -- This message is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the designated recipient(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. This communication is for information purposes only and should not be regarded as an offer to sell or as a solicitation of an offer to buy any financial product, an official confirmation of any transaction, or as an official statement of Lehman Brothers. Email transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free. Therefore, we do not represent that this information is complete or accurate and it should not be relied upon as such. All information is subject to change without notice.
RE: (313) Listmember's sites
Likewise... I have a block of 16 fixed IP's on the back of my (A)DSL here. Two webservers, a broadcast PC and 2 other PC's all static'ed. Dscaper http://www.aeonflux.co.uk -Original Message- From: Grammenos, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 November 2002 22:05 To: 'Eric Scuccimarra'; Christian Bloch; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Listmember's sites Not true about DSL. I have a static IP via my provider, speakeasy.net. -Pete -Original Message- From: Eric Scuccimarra [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 4:57 PM To: Christian Bloch; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Listmember's sites Most cable modems have dynamic IPs but for all intents and purposes the IPs are static. When I had cable a few years back the IP address didn't change for the entire 2 years. If you want to check your IP address I have a page that does that at www.skooch.com/IPFinder.cfm DSL on the other hand is truly dynamic. Even if you leave the machine on 24 hours a day it sometimes will disconnect from the server and reconnect with a new IP. Just my experiences... At 04:45 PM 11/13/2002 -0500, Christian Bloch wrote: i use earthlink cable and am hosting my own site ( http://christianbloch.com ) - my network i.p. is dynamic, but if i check it at www.whatismyip.com it always comes up the same... for some reason it changed once though, but i just changed my settings and i was back online... Christian Bloch http://christianbloch.com http://mp3.com/bloch http://www.mp313.com/christianblochmp313.htm Tresor/LL/Ungleich/AudioRiot/Restructured/Deep Night Essentials/Simple Muzik/Funque Droppings - Original Message - From: logic7 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 4:34 PM Subject: RE: (313) Listmember's sites (kinda OT) Anyone ever used a dynamic dns type app/service? I need something like that so I can host my new site myself with my current cable service (I refuse to buy a business DSL line) -Original Message- From: Eric Scuccimarra [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 4:24 PM To: diana potts; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Listmember's sites My newly redesigned and still as yet incomplete site is www.skooch.com. Still need some more content and pictures and such but the basic site is in place. Eric At 01:23 PM 11/13/2002 -0800, diana potts wrote: Most of the ppl on here are technies (me not included) so there's, IMHO, some really good programming and creative work going on amongst members.(I do check out ppl's sites in their sig) Anyhow, if you've skipped over this listmember's site, might I suggest you check it out during an 'attention span shortage' moment at work. From the nose down he's a dead ringer for Matthew Hawtin (there's your 313). http://www.11235813.com/ any others? d __ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2
RE: (313) Listmember's sites
Got a small stream running out of http://www.aeonflux.co.uk Can't hold many people, but a few tracks from a while back on there, as well as a few other bits and bobs. Dscaper. -Original Message- From: rob buse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 November 2002 14:18 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Listmember's sites Not that I post all that often, but if anyone cares.. http://www.filter24.org Currently hosting some older tracks, 1 live PA, and for those of you running linux, my midi sequencer made for live performances. cheers, .rob ___ Sent through e-mol. E-mail, Anywhere, Anytime. http://www.e-mol.com
