Re: ADMIN REMINDER

[Joe Marougi]

I’m still here.  Friendly reminder to remove me please.  Thanks and wish
the rest of you well 



On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 6:29 AM The Archiver 
wrote:

> Have the disruptive members been removed?
>
>
>
> *From:* kent williams [mailto:chaircrus...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* 01 July 2020 14:25
> *To:* The Archiver 
> *Cc:* list 313 <313@hyperreal.org>
> *Subject:* Re: ADMIN REMINDER
>
>  Nice
>
> I haven't been ignoring it. I've decoded the dead language of EZMLM remote
> administration, and cast a few powerful spells.
>
> In the answer to your question - maybe it was rhetorical - some people are
> just bullies.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 8:20 AM The Archiver 
> wrote:
>
> Why is the this being ignored?
>
> · List subscribers are people, treat them as such, disrespectful
> and disruptive behavior will not be tolerated.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* kent williams [mailto:chaircrus...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* 01 July 2020 14:16
> *To:* list 313 <313@hyperreal.org>
> *Subject:* ADMIN REMINDER
>
>
>
> Back in the good old days the admin would send out a monthly reminder.
> These are the good old days.
>
> *Regarding Content and Community*
>
> 313 content is not moderated and never will be, therefore we rely on 313
> list members to 'self-police' 313. After twenty plus years 313 has become a
> community and should be thought of as such. Like any community (Detroit
> included) 313 is only as strong as every member makes it. In that spirit we
> ask you respect the following principles:
>
>- Spam is strictly prohibited, 313 list subscribers are not marketing
>fodder.
>- List subscribers are people, treat them as such, disrespectful and
>disruptive behavior will not be tolerated.
>- List members are here for a reason, keep your posts on topic, using
>313 as a chat room is not permitted. Please note placing 'OT', standing for
>off-topic, or 'NRR', standing for not really relevant, in the subject line
>in no way excuses you from adhering to this rule.
>- Do not attempt to steal another list subscribers email identity
>(and, yes, this has happened).
>- Do not repost private email to 313. Likewise do not reply to private
>email and 'CC' 313. This is both illegal (falling under the reproduction of
>an original copyrighted work without permission) and highly unethical.
>Arguments belong in private email, not in email that is addressed to 313,
>check your *'To: '* and *'CC: '* email header fields carefully before
>sending out email - it may save you more embarassment than you thought
>possible.
>
>

Re: Ooops found a gem

[Joe Marougi]

Be our guest :-)

Actually, now that groups biggest racist is gone, my work here is done too.


Save your flux capacitor budget my friend, I’m out - this time I mean it ;)




On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 3:04 PM Kevin Kennedy  wrote:

> I still want to skip ahead to 2050.
>
> On Fri, Jul 3, 2020, 6:03 PM Joe Marougi  wrote:
>
>> Dude I was just teasing him back for calling us mother fuckers.  You
>> missed my smiley emoticon?
>>
>> IDGAF whatever is shared.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 2:49 PM Kevin Kennedy  wrote:
>>
>>> I'd love to skip ahead to 2050, or an alternate universe where members
>>> of this list stop being fucking trolls.
>>>
>>>
>>> And if the shoe fits, hop around in it.
>>>
>>> Motown influenced popular music around the world... and less people who
>>> were influenced by the sound never talked to Mr Gordy.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 3, 2020, 1:27 PM Joe Marougi  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Totally off topic :-)
>>>>
>>>> Wel I guess we can change the group to “music we like from artists who
>>>> may at one time have spoken to a Detroit artist”
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 10:22 AM Thorin Teague 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Don't you love when you stumble on a gem of beautiful music?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZbf9Jr5J88=IwAR2obz5evMcKNnDFNO15uUFU59-LBqcY2WvHIAjXVL9oFydgjpRgtZtD9Zc
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyone who tells me this is off topic, I swear to christ, I will reach
>>>>> through the screen and slap you to 2050. I dare you to tell me this is
>>>>> off topic, motherfuckers.
>>>>>
>>>>

Re: Ooops found a gem

[Joe Marougi]

Dude I was just teasing him back for calling us mother fuckers.  You missed
my smiley emoticon?

IDGAF whatever is shared.



On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 2:49 PM Kevin Kennedy  wrote:

> I'd love to skip ahead to 2050, or an alternate universe where members of
> this list stop being fucking trolls.
>
>
> And if the shoe fits, hop around in it.
>
> Motown influenced popular music around the world... and less people who
> were influenced by the sound never talked to Mr Gordy.
>
> On Fri, Jul 3, 2020, 1:27 PM Joe Marougi  wrote:
>
>> Totally off topic :-)
>>
>> Wel I guess we can change the group to “music we like from artists who
>> may at one time have spoken to a Detroit artist”
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 10:22 AM Thorin Teague 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Don't you love when you stumble on a gem of beautiful music?
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZbf9Jr5J88=IwAR2obz5evMcKNnDFNO15uUFU59-LBqcY2WvHIAjXVL9oFydgjpRgtZtD9Zc
>>>
>>> Anyone who tells me this is off topic, I swear to christ, I will reach
>>> through the screen and slap you to 2050. I dare you to tell me this is
>>> off topic, motherfuckers.
>>>
>>

Re: Ooops found a gem

[Joe Marougi]

Totally off topic :-)

Wel I guess we can change the group to “music we like from artists who may
at one time have spoken to a Detroit artist”



On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 10:22 AM Thorin Teague  wrote:

> Don't you love when you stumble on a gem of beautiful music?
>
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZbf9Jr5J88=IwAR2obz5evMcKNnDFNO15uUFU59-LBqcY2WvHIAjXVL9oFydgjpRgtZtD9Zc
>
> Anyone who tells me this is off topic, I swear to christ, I will reach
> through the screen and slap you to 2050. I dare you to tell me this is
> off topic, motherfuckers.
>

Re: What this list is and isn't about

[Joe Marougi]

Woah dude wtf??  I compared the black Hebrew Israelites to KKK who are
entirely different.  Apparently you’re not familiar with them.

Where did you get BLM from what I wrote?

Honest mistake or are you joining Rob by putting words in my mouth?
 #fakenews appears strong with you two.




On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 3:12 PM U Design 
wrote:

> I can speak from personal experience that the Detroit police have actually
> helped the team I worked with to find a venue, pull a liquor license, and
> get the proper insurance so we could have an all night party Movement
> weekend of 2003... But I also know people who have been brutalized by
> police because they were driving in the wrong neighborhood, ie driving in a
> white city while black.
>
> I know that Black Lives Matter is a very important movement because the
> systemic racism in this country is ridiculously disgusting and anyone who
> denies the fact that this movement is necessary, well, I imagine they've
> never looked into appropriation of black culture and black music. I imagine
> they've never asked the Detroit musicians they work with about the fears
> they have going north of 8 mile. I imagine they don't dig deep into
> conversations about any of this with the black musicians they know, and I
> imagine if they did broach the subject, they aren't really asking to learn,
> they are just asking to appease or make themselves look "woke".
>
> I know I'm white and I've used my white privilege more than a few times to
> snap back at people who were being racist. I've also used my skills in
> understanding how social networks work and worked on a number of teams
> where we created event programs to bridge racial and socioeconomic divides,
> creating a space where blacks and whites felt safe to come together. Its
> not easy, but its definitely necessary.
>
> I don't enjoy seeing these threads where people who love Detroit Techno
> are now comparing BLM to the KKK... or where someone who has studied
> in-depth about Detroit Techno and actually put out published writings about
> the music is being targeted because she's had some snarky responses to
> threads that I personally would've like to smack sense into the people
> writing them but since I tend to not engage with those posts, I guess I've
> "lucked out" and not been targeted in the same way.
>
> I fear that this list is about to succumb to the same political divide
> that is currently plaguing our country.   I would recommend the moderator
> maybe curate some topics to try and start/lead the conversations back
> toward Detroit Techno. There are some truly incredible stories in the
> history of Detroit Techno...
>
> Has anyone talked about the time that a vanful of Detroit's originators
> loaded into a cargo van to go to NYC for the music conference? I think 17
> people crammed into that van. Mike Banks was driving, Jeff Mills was in the
> passenger seat, the back was crammed with people. So full that Billy Love
> had to ride in the door well...
>
> Now those kinds of stories are what I'm always on the hunt for.
>
> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 17:30 Denise Dalphond 
> wrote:
>
>> Black Lives Matter.
>>
>> How is this about police? Why you gotta make this about politics?
>> Everything is about politics with you. When you defund the police, you get
>> a little bit of chaos, that's to be expected. But I feel like we already
>> were havin chaos, so it's not even different.
>>
>> Since when is club culture about lovin the police??? The cops shut down
>> the parties. The best raves are illegal. A lot of electronic dance music
>> scholars have written so much about legal issues related to rave and dance
>> club culture. It's almost boring. Does anyone read anymore? Books?
>> Articles? Well researched stuff? No? Nothin?
>>
>>
>>
>> *Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.*
>> *ethnomusicologist*
>> *schoolcraftwax.work <http://schoolcraftwax.work>*
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 4:18 PM Rob Taylor 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>  Not sure why you’re in this group Joe if you are equating any black
>>> movement with the KKK, esp if you are defending cops
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On 30 Jun 2020, at 20:20, Joe Marougi  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> As much as I’d love to respond by saying “figures you’d defend a group
>>> that’s pretty much the black version of the KKK which makes you a bigger
>>> racist than they are ” I won’t out of respect to Rob’s request 
>>>
>>> Sorry guys, just taking advantage of the Wild West here while it lasts.
>>> See what happens when you abolish the police? 
>>>
>>>

Re: What this list is and isn't about

[Joe Marougi]

What’s that got to do with D techno etc?

I didn’t get the memo where in order to be a fan/have a label etc that I
also had to be a far leftist?

That group is unquestionably and unapologetically racist. Love how you try
to paint me as having issue with  “any black movement” when I’ve only
mentioned one who’s way out of bounds.

Nice try.  Why don’t you go break a few windows with your buddies since
that’s who you appear to be.





On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 1:18 PM Rob Taylor 
wrote:

>  Not sure why you’re in this group Joe if you are equating any black
> movement with the KKK, esp if you are defending cops
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 30 Jun 2020, at 20:20, Joe Marougi  wrote:
>
> 
>
> As much as I’d love to respond by saying “figures you’d defend a group
> that’s pretty much the black version of the KKK which makes you a bigger
> racist than they are ” I won’t out of respect to Rob’s request 
>
> Sorry guys, just taking advantage of the Wild West here while it lasts.
> See what happens when you abolish the police? 
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 11:56 AM Denise Dalphond 
> wrote:
>
>> Joe, I blocked you a long time ago, too. It takes a lot of effort to sort
>> through your loony messages. Which racist group? White people?
>>
>>
>>
>> *Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.*
>> *ethnomusicologist*
>> *schoolcraftwax.work <http://schoolcraftwax.work>*
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 2:40 PM Rob Taylor 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Very familiar, hence the comment. Please stop with this both Joe and
>>> Denise.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On 30 Jun 2020, at 19:26, Rob Taylor 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> It is. Wtf.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On 30 Jun 2020, at 19:07, Joe Marougi  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> Not sure if you’re familiar with the context with that racist group and
>>> Karen’s actions here.  Apparently not?
>>>
>>> If so you’d see that my comment was spot on.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 11:04 AM Daniel Bean 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> This sounds quite racist.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 6:59 PM Joe Marougi  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Don’t you have a black Hebrew Israelite rally to attend as the
>>>>> designated foot-kisser??
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:57 AM Denise Dalphond <
>>>>> denisedalph...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh wow. I skim emails out of habit from being a mom in graduate
>>>>>> school all those years. Somebody said I have a penis? No. I just remind 
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> how small and skinny yours is. Or my alphaness just makes it limp. Either
>>>>>> way, you’re too short.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 1:45 PM The Archiver <
>>>>>> thearchi...@thearchiver.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can you close the door on your way out...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 30 Jun 2020, at 17:52, Denise Dalphond 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I’m still on the list, yo.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This list is about making a huge deal about something and then not
>>>>>>> doing it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Have you just been listening to DJ Hyperactive instead of dealing
>>>>>>> with Hyperreal, Dan Sicko? Oh I mean Kent.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:36 AM kent williams <
>>>>>>> chaircrus...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 1. Detroit techno music
>>>>>>>> 2. Detroit house music
>>>>>>>> 3. Music inspired by Detroint techno and house music
>>>>>>>> 4. Ghettotech & Jit.
>>>>>>>> 5. The people who make 1-4
>>>>>>>> 6. The social and political context of 1-5
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What it isn't about:
>>>>>>>> 1. Any individual list member unless they're in #5 above
>>>>>>>> 2. Th

Re: What this list is and isn't about

[Joe Marougi]

As much as I’d love to respond by saying “figures you’d defend a group
that’s pretty much the black version of the KKK which makes you a bigger
racist than they are ” I won’t out of respect to Rob’s request 

Sorry guys, just taking advantage of the Wild West here while it lasts.
See what happens when you abolish the police? 



On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 11:56 AM Denise Dalphond 
wrote:

> Joe, I blocked you a long time ago, too. It takes a lot of effort to sort
> through your loony messages. Which racist group? White people?
>
>
>
> *Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.*
> *ethnomusicologist*
> *schoolcraftwax.work <http://schoolcraftwax.work>*
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 2:40 PM Rob Taylor 
> wrote:
>
>> Very familiar, hence the comment. Please stop with this both Joe and
>> Denise.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On 30 Jun 2020, at 19:26, Rob Taylor 
>> wrote:
>>
>> It is. Wtf.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On 30 Jun 2020, at 19:07, Joe Marougi  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Not sure if you’re familiar with the context with that racist group and
>> Karen’s actions here.  Apparently not?
>>
>> If so you’d see that my comment was spot on.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 11:04 AM Daniel Bean 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> This sounds quite racist.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 6:59 PM Joe Marougi  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Don’t you have a black Hebrew Israelite rally to attend as the
>>>> designated foot-kisser??
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:57 AM Denise Dalphond <
>>>> denisedalph...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Oh wow. I skim emails out of habit from being a mom in graduate school
>>>>> all those years. Somebody said I have a penis? No. I just remind you how
>>>>> small and skinny yours is. Or my alphaness just makes it limp. Either way,
>>>>> you’re too short.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 1:45 PM The Archiver <
>>>>> thearchi...@thearchiver.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Can you close the door on your way out...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 30 Jun 2020, at 17:52, Denise Dalphond 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I’m still on the list, yo.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This list is about making a huge deal about something and then not
>>>>>> doing it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Have you just been listening to DJ Hyperactive instead of dealing
>>>>>> with Hyperreal, Dan Sicko? Oh I mean Kent.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:36 AM kent williams <
>>>>>> chaircrus...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1. Detroit techno music
>>>>>>> 2. Detroit house music
>>>>>>> 3. Music inspired by Detroint techno and house music
>>>>>>> 4. Ghettotech & Jit.
>>>>>>> 5. The people who make 1-4
>>>>>>> 6. The social and political context of 1-5
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What it isn't about:
>>>>>>> 1. Any individual list member unless they're in #5 above
>>>>>>> 2. The list admin.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Since you're coming for me in particular.
>>>>>>> 0. "Corn music" - are you having a laugh?
>>>>>>> 1. "With all due respect" is a euphemism for "You supreme bell-end"
>>>>>>> "No offense" means "I'm going to be offensive."
>>>>>>> 2. I have made 3 albums and several EPs and I generally don't bring
>>>>>>> them up here. While I count Detroit music as a huge influence, my music 
>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>> diverged from anything that could be called techno, so I've made myself
>>>>>>> off-topic.
>>>>>>> 3. I have the job of list administrator (not moderator) because no
>>>>>>> one else wanted it.  I do the best I can and if you don't like it,
>>>>>>> unsubscribe. I posted instructions on how to do so the other day in the
>>>>>>> spirit of "Let me google that for you."
>>>>>>> 4. Do you mean "Langer" as in slang for penis?   That comment seems
>>>>>>> out of order on several levels.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 5:52 AM cnd <3...@coke-smyth.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm with Kevin and Denise on this one.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This is a list about dark black music and rhythm control. With all
>>>>>>>> due
>>>>>>>> respect, a single mod who makes corn music doesn't really cut in
>>>>>>>> politically.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Noi offense Eamonn but at least Denise has a langer ;-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> cheers
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> C
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Denise Dalphond, Ph. D.
>>>>>> ethnomusicologist
>>>>>> schoolcraftwax.work
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>> Denise Dalphond, Ph. D.
>>>>> ethnomusicologist
>>>>> schoolcraftwax.work
>>>>>
>>>>

Re: What this list is and isn't about

[Joe Marougi]

Not sure if you’re familiar with the context with that racist group and
Karen’s actions here.  Apparently not?

If so you’d see that my comment was spot on.




On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 11:04 AM Daniel Bean  wrote:

> This sounds quite racist.
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 6:59 PM Joe Marougi  wrote:
>
>> Don’t you have a black Hebrew Israelite rally to attend as the designated
>> foot-kisser??
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:57 AM Denise Dalphond <
>> denisedalph...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Oh wow. I skim emails out of habit from being a mom in graduate school
>>> all those years. Somebody said I have a penis? No. I just remind you how
>>> small and skinny yours is. Or my alphaness just makes it limp. Either way,
>>> you’re too short.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 1:45 PM The Archiver <
>>> thearchi...@thearchiver.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Can you close the door on your way out...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 30 Jun 2020, at 17:52, Denise Dalphond 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>> I’m still on the list, yo.
>>>>
>>>> This list is about making a huge deal about something and then not
>>>> doing it.
>>>>
>>>> Have you just been listening to DJ Hyperactive instead of dealing with
>>>> Hyperreal, Dan Sicko? Oh I mean Kent.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:36 AM kent williams 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> 1. Detroit techno music
>>>>> 2. Detroit house music
>>>>> 3. Music inspired by Detroint techno and house music
>>>>> 4. Ghettotech & Jit.
>>>>> 5. The people who make 1-4
>>>>> 6. The social and political context of 1-5
>>>>>
>>>>> What it isn't about:
>>>>> 1. Any individual list member unless they're in #5 above
>>>>> 2. The list admin.
>>>>>
>>>>> Since you're coming for me in particular.
>>>>> 0. "Corn music" - are you having a laugh?
>>>>> 1. "With all due respect" is a euphemism for "You supreme bell-end"
>>>>> "No offense" means "I'm going to be offensive."
>>>>> 2. I have made 3 albums and several EPs and I generally don't bring
>>>>> them up here. While I count Detroit music as a huge influence, my music 
>>>>> has
>>>>> diverged from anything that could be called techno, so I've made myself
>>>>> off-topic.
>>>>> 3. I have the job of list administrator (not moderator) because no one
>>>>> else wanted it.  I do the best I can and if you don't like it, 
>>>>> unsubscribe.
>>>>> I posted instructions on how to do so the other day in the spirit of "Let
>>>>> me google that for you."
>>>>> 4. Do you mean "Langer" as in slang for penis?   That comment seems
>>>>> out of order on several levels.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 5:52 AM cnd <3...@coke-smyth.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm with Kevin and Denise on this one.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is a list about dark black music and rhythm control. With all
>>>>>> due
>>>>>> respect, a single mod who makes corn music doesn't really cut in
>>>>>> politically.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Noi offense Eamonn but at least Denise has a langer ;-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> cheers
>>>>>>
>>>>>> C
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>> Denise Dalphond, Ph. D.
>>>> ethnomusicologist
>>>> schoolcraftwax.work
>>>>
>>>> --
>>> Denise Dalphond, Ph. D.
>>> ethnomusicologist
>>> schoolcraftwax.work
>>>
>>

Re: What this list is and isn't about

[Joe Marougi]

Don’t you have a black Hebrew Israelite rally to attend as the designated
foot-kisser??



On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:57 AM Denise Dalphond 
wrote:

> Oh wow. I skim emails out of habit from being a mom in graduate school all
> those years. Somebody said I have a penis? No. I just remind you how small
> and skinny yours is. Or my alphaness just makes it limp. Either way, you’re
> too short.
>
> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 1:45 PM The Archiver 
> wrote:
>
>> Can you close the door on your way out...
>>
>>
>>
>> On 30 Jun 2020, at 17:52, Denise Dalphond 
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> I’m still on the list, yo.
>>
>> This list is about making a huge deal about something and then not doing
>> it.
>>
>> Have you just been listening to DJ Hyperactive instead of dealing with
>> Hyperreal, Dan Sicko? Oh I mean Kent.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:36 AM kent williams 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> 1. Detroit techno music
>>> 2. Detroit house music
>>> 3. Music inspired by Detroint techno and house music
>>> 4. Ghettotech & Jit.
>>> 5. The people who make 1-4
>>> 6. The social and political context of 1-5
>>>
>>> What it isn't about:
>>> 1. Any individual list member unless they're in #5 above
>>> 2. The list admin.
>>>
>>> Since you're coming for me in particular.
>>> 0. "Corn music" - are you having a laugh?
>>> 1. "With all due respect" is a euphemism for "You supreme bell-end" "No
>>> offense" means "I'm going to be offensive."
>>> 2. I have made 3 albums and several EPs and I generally don't bring them
>>> up here. While I count Detroit music as a huge influence, my music has
>>> diverged from anything that could be called techno, so I've made myself
>>> off-topic.
>>> 3. I have the job of list administrator (not moderator) because no one
>>> else wanted it.  I do the best I can and if you don't like it, unsubscribe.
>>> I posted instructions on how to do so the other day in the spirit of "Let
>>> me google that for you."
>>> 4. Do you mean "Langer" as in slang for penis?   That comment seems out
>>> of order on several levels.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 5:52 AM cnd <3...@coke-smyth.net> wrote:
>>>
 I'm with Kevin and Denise on this one.

 This is a list about dark black music and rhythm control. With all due
 respect, a single mod who makes corn music doesn't really cut in
 politically.

 Noi offense Eamonn but at least Denise has a langer ;-)

 cheers

 C


 --
>> Denise Dalphond, Ph. D.
>> ethnomusicologist
>> schoolcraftwax.work
>>
>> --
> Denise Dalphond, Ph. D.
> ethnomusicologist
> schoolcraftwax.work
>

Re: What this list is and isn't about

[Joe Marougi]

❤️

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:45 AM The Archiver 
wrote:

> Can you close the door on your way out...
>
>
>
> On 30 Jun 2020, at 17:52, Denise Dalphond 
> wrote:
>
> 
>
> I’m still on the list, yo.
>
> This list is about making a huge deal about something and then not doing
> it.
>
> Have you just been listening to DJ Hyperactive instead of dealing with
> Hyperreal, Dan Sicko? Oh I mean Kent.
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:36 AM kent williams 
> wrote:
>
>> 1. Detroit techno music
>> 2. Detroit house music
>> 3. Music inspired by Detroint techno and house music
>> 4. Ghettotech & Jit.
>> 5. The people who make 1-4
>> 6. The social and political context of 1-5
>>
>> What it isn't about:
>> 1. Any individual list member unless they're in #5 above
>> 2. The list admin.
>>
>> Since you're coming for me in particular.
>> 0. "Corn music" - are you having a laugh?
>> 1. "With all due respect" is a euphemism for "You supreme bell-end" "No
>> offense" means "I'm going to be offensive."
>> 2. I have made 3 albums and several EPs and I generally don't bring them
>> up here. While I count Detroit music as a huge influence, my music has
>> diverged from anything that could be called techno, so I've made myself
>> off-topic.
>> 3. I have the job of list administrator (not moderator) because no one
>> else wanted it.  I do the best I can and if you don't like it, unsubscribe.
>> I posted instructions on how to do so the other day in the spirit of "Let
>> me google that for you."
>> 4. Do you mean "Langer" as in slang for penis?   That comment seems out
>> of order on several levels.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 5:52 AM cnd <3...@coke-smyth.net> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm with Kevin and Denise on this one.
>>>
>>> This is a list about dark black music and rhythm control. With all due
>>> respect, a single mod who makes corn music doesn't really cut in
>>> politically.
>>>
>>> Noi offense Eamonn but at least Denise has a langer ;-)
>>>
>>> cheers
>>>
>>> C
>>>
>>>
>>> --
> Denise Dalphond, Ph. D.
> ethnomusicologist
> schoolcraftwax.work
>
>

Re: What this list is and isn't about

[Joe Marougi]

Anybody else picture this as soon as they see a message from her?

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/7a/a9/d6/7aa9d64c4ef973a92e72b700a028ab1f.jpg




On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 9:52 AM Denise Dalphond 
wrote:

> I’m still on the list, yo.
>
> This list is about making a huge deal about something and then not doing
> it.
>
> Have you just been listening to DJ Hyperactive instead of dealing with
> Hyperreal, Dan Sicko? Oh I mean Kent.
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:36 AM kent williams 
> wrote:
>
>> 1. Detroit techno music
>> 2. Detroit house music
>> 3. Music inspired by Detroint techno and house music
>> 4. Ghettotech & Jit.
>> 5. The people who make 1-4
>> 6. The social and political context of 1-5
>>
>> What it isn't about:
>> 1. Any individual list member unless they're in #5 above
>> 2. The list admin.
>>
>> Since you're coming for me in particular.
>> 0. "Corn music" - are you having a laugh?
>> 1. "With all due respect" is a euphemism for "You supreme bell-end" "No
>> offense" means "I'm going to be offensive."
>> 2. I have made 3 albums and several EPs and I generally don't bring them
>> up here. While I count Detroit music as a huge influence, my music has
>> diverged from anything that could be called techno, so I've made myself
>> off-topic.
>> 3. I have the job of list administrator (not moderator) because no one
>> else wanted it.  I do the best I can and if you don't like it, unsubscribe.
>> I posted instructions on how to do so the other day in the spirit of "Let
>> me google that for you."
>> 4. Do you mean "Langer" as in slang for penis?   That comment seems out
>> of order on several levels.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 5:52 AM cnd <3...@coke-smyth.net> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm with Kevin and Denise on this one.
>>>
>>> This is a list about dark black music and rhythm control. With all due
>>> respect, a single mod who makes corn music doesn't really cut in
>>> politically.
>>>
>>> Noi offense Eamonn but at least Denise has a langer ;-)
>>>
>>> cheers
>>>
>>> C
>>>
>>>
>>> --
> Denise Dalphond, Ph. D.
> ethnomusicologist
> schoolcraftwax.work
>

Re: Fwd: Techno links from a Black perspective (fixed)

[Joe Marougi]

You know what?  Same here.

I know announcing your departure is wack but in my case I wanted to since
I’ve been pretty combative towards her majesty. So in case folks here don’t
like me or my replies, wanted to let them know I won’t be around any more
to interrupt your experience.

Have fun with the list 



On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 10:47 AM Rob Taylor 
wrote:

> I know it's time to unsubscribe. Well done. Bye
>
> On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 6:39 PM Denise Dalphond 
> wrote:
>
>> At one point, Kent called me the Daphne of Techno. So I don’t really know
>> where we are right here.
>>
>> Denise
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 1:32 PM cnd <3...@coke-smyth.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Ftr Denise is more welcome on this list than you Kent, purely on the
>>> basis of being a female black academic.
>>>
>>> Moderation? I'd rather hang with Moodymann than the bay city rollers.
>>>
>>> $0.02
>>>
>>> B-)
>>>
>>> On 2020-06-24 18:30, kent williams wrote:
>>> > You said it well.
>>> >
>>> > Denise deserves respect and attention.  I've made myself clear in the
>>> > last e-mail what I would like to see happen, and now I regret even
>>> > posting that on-list.
>>> >
>>> > I'm not going to say any more on this. If anyone wants to e-mail me
>>> > directly, I'll read and respond.
>>> >
>>> > On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 12:25 PM Kevin Kennedy 
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> I rarely chime in on the list but trend towards paying attention
>>> >> when I can.
>>> >>
>>> >> For many, it can be really difficult to cut through the 'noise' that
>>> >> happens on a daily basis, as we are 100% inundated with information
>>> >> about nearly any and every subject we could be interested in, and
>>> >> some we're not.
>>> >>
>>> >> Maybe the choice of words "perspective" may have been in some ways
>>> >> incomplete/misleading, however the intent was understood by me to be
>>> >> one of a noble and humble nature.  Most people don't have the time
>>> >> in their modern life to collect all of the reading documents and
>>> >> take the deeper dive necessary to understand any subject.
>>> >> Unfortunately, not all techno people are academics-but many are
>>> >> curious, which is a great trait for anyone academically-minded.
>>> >>
>>> >> That said, I LOVE  Dr. Denise, and you all should know that she
>>> >> 'keeps that same energy' for EVERYTHING...as Ethnomusicology is also
>>> >> her life's work.  If many had as much passion and persistence to
>>> >> rely on, we'd all probably do much more than we already do.
>>> >>
>>> >> Fire and emotional content aren't easy things to channel.  It's
>>> >> taken me years to learn how to choose when and where I call out
>>> >> things I don't like.  I've recently done an interview with Peter
>>> >> Kirn and while I had some opportunity to say whatever I chose, I
>>> >> realized that denigrating people can be messy.
>>> >>
>>> >> DWELLER, as a whole, is a useful resource and may get one more
>>> >> person to understand better the history of this music and have a
>>> >> better appreciation for what makes it special and influential.  We
>>> >> must all learn together, those who haven't learned the story should,
>>> >> and those who are attempting to be helpful should be encouraged to
>>> >> find other resources that could be more relevant if the ones they
>>> >> share are in some way not.
>>> >>
>>> >> I'm going to say in closing that we all on this list have a duty to
>>> >> understand one another.  We have to come together like buttcheeks
>>> >> instead of sniping at each other like the outside world does on a
>>> >> daily basis.  We're all here on this list for the music first-But we
>>> >> can also learn from each other.
>>> >>
>>> >> I sincerely hope all of you are well.  FBK out.
>>> >>
>>> >> On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 10:34 AM kent williams
>>> >>  wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> On the one hand, Denise has valid points.
>>> >>
>>> >> On the other hand she attacks people who have done nothing but good
>>> >> for the Techno community, has never minimized the contribution of
>>> >> black artists, and has never centered themselves in the discussion.
>>> >>
>>> >> Denise, you need to find a way to make the points you want to make
>>> >> without making other people want to leave the 313 list.
>>> >>
>>> >> I've never wanted to silence anyone on this list and have never
>>> >> banned anyone just for being outspoken, but at this point this list
>>> >> is a shadow of its former self, and a lot of it has to do with
>>> >> people posting things that make people feel uncomfortable.  And not
>>> >> the 'questioning my privilege' uncomfortable, like 'being personally
>>> >> attacked without justification' uncomfortable.
>>> >>
>>> >> I don't just see the public posts, I get private e-mails all the
>>> >> time with complaints about other list members.  Those are private,
>>> >> but regular list members only see what's on the list.
>>> >>
>>> >> No one can argue with Denise's contribution to music scholarship
>>> >> dealing with black music, and no one 

Re: Fwd: Techno links from a Black perspective (fixed)

[Joe Marougi]

That’s the worst part about you.  Your commitment to not admitting
when/that you (God forbid) could have been wrong or handled something the
wrong way:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-squeaky-wheel/201811/why-certain-people-will-never-admit-they-were-wrong%3Famp


On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 11:24 PM Denise Dalphond 
wrote:

> I blocked Kent a long time ago, so I had to go to my spam folder to read
> this. Took me a minute. I have no response to Kent directly.
>
> This all started because Andrew Duke sent a list to our listserv and I
> asked a pretty neutral question and then somebody tried to white wash it.
> That's it. Relax.
>
>
>
> *Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.*
> *ethnomusicologist*
> *schoolcraftwax.work *
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 10:34 AM kent williams 
> wrote:
>
>> On the one hand, Denise has valid points.
>>
>> On the other hand she attacks people who have done nothing but good for
>> the Techno community, has never minimized the contribution of black
>> artists, and has never centered themselves in the discussion.
>>
>> Denise, you need to find a way to make the points you want to make
>> without making other people want to leave the 313 list.
>>
>> I've never wanted to silence anyone on this list and have never banned
>> anyone just for being outspoken, but at this point this list is a shadow of
>> its former self, and a lot of it has to do with people posting things that
>> make people feel uncomfortable.  And not the 'questioning my privilege'
>> uncomfortable, like 'being personally attacked without justification'
>> uncomfortable.
>>
>> I don't just see the public posts, I get private e-mails all the time
>> with complaints about other list members.  Those are private, but regular
>> list members only see what's on the list.
>>
>> No one can argue with Denise's contribution to music scholarship dealing
>> with black music, and no one should.
>>
>> But being aggressive and disagreeable on the mailing list makes it about
>> you, not about the music or the people.
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 9:21 AM cnd <3...@coke-smyth.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Allgxxd
>>>
>>> I hear you essay
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> On 2020-06-24 14:11, Daniel Bean wrote:
>>> > Whoops sorry, meant to send that to the list.
>>> >
>>> > -- Forwarded message -
>>> > From: DANIEL BEAN 
>>> > Date: Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 2:08 PM
>>> > Subject: Re: Techno links from a Black perspective (fixed)
>>> > To: Denise Dalphond 
>>> >
>>> > Have to agree with Denise here, the idea that we can somehow ignore
>>> > race in techno (or any other American music forms for that matter) is
>>> > ludicrous, especially at the moment.
>>> >
>>> > On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 1:32 PM Denise Dalphond
>>> >  wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Have you read my dissertation? Your suggestion makes no sense. Did
>>> >> you know Portia Maultsby was my teacher? Have you seen that chart of
>>> >> Black music genres floating around IG and FB? She made that.
>>> >> That’s part of her life’s work. And now, since I got to help her
>>> >> with it in graduate school, I get to help her update it
>>> >> professionally. So, s.
>>> >>
>>> >> Do you not live in the United States? Do you not understand what is
>>> >> changing here in the United States? Stop embarrassing yourself.
>>> >>
>>> >> And why didn’t you get mad at Andrew Duke for sharing it?
>>> >>
>>> >> Denise Dalphond
>>> >>
>>> >> On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 5:24 AM Sjoerd 
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Denise, is there any Social Justice Bandwagon you will not jump on?
>>> >> For the love of the 808, please refrain from this and find common
>>> >> ground in the beauty of this music instead of trying to sow division
>>> >> between people by this racebaiting.
>>> >>
>>> >> I think few people care if the writer of the article has a Black or
>>> >> White skin colour, since what matters is the message, and the
>>> >> message is T-E-C-H-N-O and Unity between people from all walks of
>>> >> life.
>>> >>
>>> >> Andrew, thanks for posting this. A lot has been written on the
>>> >> subject of Detroit Techno and I appreciate someone took the time and
>>> >> effort to collect them all. Seriously, the further we move forward
>>> >> in time, the more I realize that the future about this technological
>>> >> dystopia was already written way back in the 80's, with the origins
>>> >> of Techno in the Motorcity.
>>> >>
>>> >> On Mon, 22 Jun 2020 at 16:11, Denise Dalphond
>>> >>  wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> A majority of those articles and books are by white people. What do
>>> >> they mean by Black perspective. You could also go to the Dancecult
>>> >> website: https://dancecult-research.net/references/
>>> >>
>>> >> Denise
>>> >>
>>> >> On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 9:53 AM Andrew Duke
>>> >>  wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Dweller Electronics
>>> >>
>>> >> writings from a black perspective
>>> >>
>>> >> Our co-editor Ryan Clarke has researched a list of articles,
>>> >> interviews and documentaries 

Re: Perspective

[Joe Marougi]

Careful with your next reply Philip... 藍

On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 1:56 PM Denise Dalphond 
wrote:

> What do you mean by others? The people who actually created techno?
>
> And, a lot of people like to read. And then, a lot of people like to read
> history.
>
> Denise
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 4:53 PM Philip McGarva 
> wrote:
>
>> Sometimes articles written by others can help our understanding of the
>> stories behind musical activities. But I honestly think the best way to
>> understand the ideas of the musicians is to just listen to the music. All
>> the academia in the world won't give you anything better than the amazing
>> feelings you get from your favourite music. Music is beyond words anyway 
>>
> --
> Denise Dalphond, Ph. D.
> ethnomusicologist
> schoolcraftwax.work
>

Re: Records for Sale

[Joe Marougi]

Thx for the reply.

Actually I found a guy here locally who’s buying many of my records so I
want to give him first dibs (which is also why I’m cc’ing the group in case
there was anyone else interested).

Once he’s done I’ll update my list on discogs.

Thanks 

Joe



On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 8:49 AM cnd <3...@coke-smyth.net> wrote:

> Hey Joe,
>
> I ain't buyin'
>
> But I feel your comments about some system for trade.
>
> Most of us reach that point where we know the records but as you say
> 'weighs a ton'.
>
> How many Jit for a sealed Sole Tech? Ten 313 worth somethin'
>
> peace
>
> On 2020-03-22 07:50, Joe Marougi wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Put up some records on Discogs...mainly 90's Detroit techno and Warp
> > type stuff.
> >
> > I have a ton more to add so feel free to ask me if you're looking for
> > anything specific from that period.
> >
> > Thx,
> > Joe
> >
> > https://www.discogs.com/user/Roundabout_Sounds
>
>

Re: Favorite Detroit Techno Tracks

[Joe Marougi]

I have all those for sale 邏

On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 7:07 PM Edward Thompson  wrote:

> - Icon - D May
> - The Final Frontier - UR
> - At Les - Carl Craig
> - Bubble Metropolis - Drexciya
> - from beyond - Carl Craig (elements)
>
> On Sat, 7 Mar. 2020, 4:33 am Patrick Wacher,  wrote:
>
>> No particular order:
>> - Vessels In Distress - Model 500 (Technically Martin Bonds)
>> - The Final Frontier - UR
>> - Bubble Metropolis - Drexciya
>> - Neptune - Model 500
>> - Untitled A2 - Rob Hood (Movable Parts chapter 1)
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 3:57 PM David Mansfield 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Everyone,
>>>
>>> I was wondering what some of your favorite Detroit techno tracks are.  5
>>> of my favorites are :
>>>
>>> 1. Carl Craig- Dreamland
>>> 2. Robert Hood- Detroit One Circle
>>> 3. Model 500 -Ocean to Ocean
>>> 4. Inner City- Good Life
>>> 5.  Rhythim is Rhythim- Nude Photo
>>>
>>>
>>>

Records for Sale

[Joe Marougi]

Hi,

Put up some records on Discogs...mainly 90's Detroit techno and Warp type
stuff.

I have a ton more to add so feel free to ask me if you're looking for
anything specific from that period.

Thx,
Joe

https://www.discogs.com/user/Roundabout_Sounds

Re: Buy/sell records here?

[Joe Marougi]

I’d be down to sell most of my Detroit techno records that I’ve collected
over the years.

Let me know if you’re looking for anything in particular so I can see if I
have it.



On Sat, Mar 7, 2020 at 6:29 AM kent williams  wrote:

> People should post what they want, but again, we're here for talk about
> the music. This isn't discogs marketplace. If you want to post a want list,
> say why you want them.
>
> On Sat, Mar 7, 2020, 1:35 AM Ben Bridges  wrote:
>
>> Yep, I would like to place a few want ads occasionally
>> On 7/3/2020 7:08 am, Joe Marougi wrote:
>>
>> Yeah that’s cool.
>>
>> Not suggesting anyone post endless lists here.
>>
>> Just for folks to request or present a few here and there that they think
>> the list would be interested in or that they are looking for.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 2:38 PM kent williams 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I think it would be OK to say "hey I've got some good techno records for
>>> sale on discogs, here's a link" every so often, but I think the list will
>>> be over if people just start using this list as a trading post.
>>>
>>> Similarly I'm not so crazy about everyone and their dog posting their
>>> record wish lists.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 9:00 AM Joe Marougi  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Wanted to see if we could use this as another alternative to discogs?
>>>>
>>>> Maybe post some wish lists to see if other members have them as well as
>>>> post some titles that we think some members may want?
>>>>
>>>> Joe
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=emailclient>
>>  Virus-free.
>> www.avast.com
>> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=emailclient>
>> <#m_-7858076437052132140_m_-8371890448356842265_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>
>>
>

Re: Buy/sell records here?

[Joe Marougi]

Yeah that’s cool.

Not suggesting anyone post endless lists here.

Just for folks to request or present a few here and there that they think
the list would be interested in or that they are looking for.



On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 2:38 PM kent williams  wrote:

> I think it would be OK to say "hey I've got some good techno records for
> sale on discogs, here's a link" every so often, but I think the list will
> be over if people just start using this list as a trading post.
>
> Similarly I'm not so crazy about everyone and their dog posting their
> record wish lists.
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 9:00 AM Joe Marougi  wrote:
>
>> Wanted to see if we could use this as another alternative to discogs?
>>
>> Maybe post some wish lists to see if other members have them as well as
>> post some titles that we think some members may want?
>>
>> Joe
>>
>>

Re: Favorite Detroit Techno Tracks

[Joe Marougi]

No particular order

- quadrant on planet e
- at les
- icon
- ladies and gentlemen (69)
- nitwit (Carl Craig)


On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 9:33 AM Patrick Wacher  wrote:

> No particular order:
> - Vessels In Distress - Model 500 (Technically Martin Bonds)
> - The Final Frontier - UR
> - Bubble Metropolis - Drexciya
> - Neptune - Model 500
> - Untitled A2 - Rob Hood (Movable Parts chapter 1)
>
> On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 3:57 PM David Mansfield 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello Everyone,
>>
>> I was wondering what some of your favorite Detroit techno tracks are.  5
>> of my favorites are :
>>
>> 1. Carl Craig- Dreamland
>> 2. Robert Hood- Detroit One Circle
>> 3. Model 500 -Ocean to Ocean
>> 4. Inner City- Good Life
>> 5.  Rhythim is Rhythim- Nude Photo
>>
>>
>>

Buy/sell records here?

[Joe Marougi]

Wanted to see if we could use this as another alternative to discogs?

Maybe post some wish lists to see if other members have them as well as
post some titles that we think some members may want?

Joe

Re: Florence & Wladimir M release on Delsin

[Joe Marougi]

Yeah I’m also glad he’s repressing Vortekz.



On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 11:31 AM Patrick Wacher  wrote:

> Hats off to Mr Delsin for getting these two releases together... music,
> packaging are just spot on.
>
>
> https://www.delsinrecords.com/release/6266/wladimir-m/leaves-fallin-recklessly
> https://www.delsinrecords.com/release/6268/florence/analogue-expressions
>
> Thanks,
> ⌘⌥P
>

Re: techno

[Joe Marougi]

Ah ok thanks for that.  I’ll be less apprehensive about sharing stuff
moving forward ;)

Joe


On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 10:33 AM kent williams 
wrote:

> The point of the 313 list is to discuss Detroit techno and related music.
>
> To refer to the FAQ http://music.hyperreal.org/lists/313/05.html
>
> "Thank you for inquiring about 313. This list was set up by myself to be a
> forum for the discussion of Detroit techno artists or artists directly
> influenced by Detroit techno artists. That said, it would be no great
> coincidence if the list followed the same progression as techno music has.
> That is, just as the works of the original Detroiters has provided the
> framework on which much of techno music has been built upon so too should
> the stated purpose of the list serve as the basis for broader discussion."
>
> This is a quote from George Smiley, not me, as the FAQ states ;-)
>
> On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 12:24 PM Joe Marougi  wrote:
>
>> Ok I wasn't going to paste the link to my latest release since the
>> artists aren't "technically" not from Detroit, but since Marsel posted his
>> then here's mine :-)
>>
>> (Artists are Ricadro Miranda and James Duncan):
>>
>> http://www.groovedis.com/shop/james-duncan-and-sb808-morning-mix-12.html
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 8:53 AM Andrew Duke <
>> andrewdukecognit...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Derek Carr and Shawn Rudiman are able to maintain a magical quality
>>> level with their quantity of ongoing releases. Inspirational. +1 on the
>>> Cignol. So much goodness.
>>> Andrew
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri., Feb. 28, 2020, 12:17 p.m. John Sokolowski, <
>>> jrsokolow...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hear, hear on the new Derek Carr!
>>>>
>>>> Also liking the sound of the new one on Distant Worlds (
>>>> https://soundcloud.com/distantworldtransmissions/sets/cignol-guidance-release)
>>>> - spacey electro acid trip
>>>>
>>>> <https://soundcloud.com/distantworldtransmissions/sets/cignol-guidance-release>
>>>> Cignol - Guidance Release by Distant Worlds | Free Listening on
>>>> SoundCloud
>>>> <https://soundcloud.com/distantworldtransmissions/sets/cignol-guidance-release>
>>>> We use cookies for various purposes including analytics and
>>>> personalized marketing. By continuing to use the service, you agree to our
>>>> use of cookies as described in the Cookie Policy. OK
>>>> soundcloud.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> *From:* jwan allen 
>>>> *Sent:* Friday, February 28, 2020 8:54 AM
>>>> *To:* Ronny Pries 
>>>> *Cc:* 313 list <313@hyperreal.org>
>>>> *Subject:* Re: techno
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the tip!
>>>>
>>>> Also doing it for me, as I'm listening to new shit in another tab, the
>>>> New Derek Carr - Pursuit Part 1 and 2 on Sushitech.
>>>>
>>>> It's fucking fantastic, I know most of y'all are already familiar with
>>>> his work form the past releases on too many labels i don't feel the need to
>>>> retype here.
>>>>
>>>> But this album is exactly what we all need to hear and be playing out
>>>> right now. Fresh new music with nods to the past, without being overly
>>>> derivative.
>>>>
>>>> 5 1200s, mics, flames or whatever emoji of your choice  you need to
>>>> realize this is dope music.
>>>>
>>>> And before I forget, Shawn Rudiman and Jordan (of juju and jordan fame)
>>>> have a release out on local label "love what you feel" out today, now I'm
>>>> biased cause these are my mates, but the music speaks for itself.
>>>>
>>>> Get some!
>>>> https://itma.bandcamp.com/album/ams-pit-love-what-you-feel-008
>>>>
>>>> You may now return to your regularly scheduled programming already in
>>>> progress.
>>>>
>>>> Jwan
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 6:57 AM Ronny Pries  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> What a sweet release!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Von: *Marsel Delsin 
>>>> *Gesendet: *Freitag, 28. Februar 2020 09:26
>>>> *An: *313 list <313@hyperreal.org>
>>>> *Betreff: *techno
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> to keep it on-topic - here's some techno
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://www.delsinrecords.com/release/6495/lost-trax/surface-treated
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Technoir Audio
>>>> Broken Planet
>>>>
>>>> "dealing with your imperfect world"
>>>>
>>>

Re: techno

[Joe Marougi]

Ok I wasn't going to paste the link to my latest release since the artists
aren't "technically" not from Detroit, but since Marsel posted his then
here's mine :-)

(Artists are Ricadro Miranda and James Duncan):

http://www.groovedis.com/shop/james-duncan-and-sb808-morning-mix-12.html

On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 8:53 AM Andrew Duke 
wrote:

> Derek Carr and Shawn Rudiman are able to maintain a magical quality level
> with their quantity of ongoing releases. Inspirational. +1 on the Cignol.
> So much goodness.
> Andrew
>
>
> On Fri., Feb. 28, 2020, 12:17 p.m. John Sokolowski, <
> jrsokolow...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hear, hear on the new Derek Carr!
>>
>> Also liking the sound of the new one on Distant Worlds (
>> https://soundcloud.com/distantworldtransmissions/sets/cignol-guidance-release)
>> - spacey electro acid trip
>>
>> 
>> Cignol - Guidance Release by Distant Worlds | Free Listening on SoundCloud
>> 
>> We use cookies for various purposes including analytics and personalized
>> marketing. By continuing to use the service, you agree to our use of
>> cookies as described in the Cookie Policy. OK
>> soundcloud.com
>>
>>
>> --
>> *From:* jwan allen 
>> *Sent:* Friday, February 28, 2020 8:54 AM
>> *To:* Ronny Pries 
>> *Cc:* 313 list <313@hyperreal.org>
>> *Subject:* Re: techno
>>
>> Thanks for the tip!
>>
>> Also doing it for me, as I'm listening to new shit in another tab, the
>> New Derek Carr - Pursuit Part 1 and 2 on Sushitech.
>>
>> It's fucking fantastic, I know most of y'all are already familiar with
>> his work form the past releases on too many labels i don't feel the need to
>> retype here.
>>
>> But this album is exactly what we all need to hear and be playing out
>> right now. Fresh new music with nods to the past, without being overly
>> derivative.
>>
>> 5 1200s, mics, flames or whatever emoji of your choice  you need to
>> realize this is dope music.
>>
>> And before I forget, Shawn Rudiman and Jordan (of juju and jordan fame)
>> have a release out on local label "love what you feel" out today, now I'm
>> biased cause these are my mates, but the music speaks for itself.
>>
>> Get some! https://itma.bandcamp.com/album/ams-pit-love-what-you-feel-008
>>
>> You may now return to your regularly scheduled programming already in
>> progress.
>>
>> Jwan
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 6:57 AM Ronny Pries  wrote:
>>
>> What a sweet release!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Von: *Marsel Delsin 
>> *Gesendet: *Freitag, 28. Februar 2020 09:26
>> *An: *313 list <313@hyperreal.org>
>> *Betreff: *techno
>>
>>
>>
>> to keep it on-topic - here's some techno
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.delsinrecords.com/release/6495/lost-trax/surface-treated
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Technoir Audio
>> Broken Planet
>>
>> "dealing with your imperfect world"
>>
>

Re: Keep it real (and on topic)

[Joe Marougi]

If that’s all you took away from my reply it also tells me a lot about you.

Plus that has nothing to do with what was being discussed.  But congrats on
nitpicking my replies till you found something “worthwhile” to reply to
instead of the real topic.

Not to worry tho I’ll most likely bounce outta here soon too in case I’m
the one chasing you away.


On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 5:59 PM DJ Shiva  wrote:

> "She could have been any of the 100+ genders she probably believes in and
> it wouldn’t matter.  "
>
> Mmmmh, sure Jan. You tell me everything I need to know about your
> attitude toward gender right there.
>
> For the love of my sanity will someone unsubscribe me from this list?
>
> Lisa
> http://www.noncompliantmusic.com
> http://www.soundcloud.com/noncompliant1
> 
> "Another world is not only possible, she is on her way. On a quiet day, I
> can hear her breathing." - Arundhati Roy
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 2:58 PM Joe Marougi  wrote:
>
>> Appreciate the reply Jodie,
>>
>> I’m gonna go out on what I feel is not too far of a limb by saying you’re
>> probably the only one here that sees her “apologies” as not being
>> backhanded.
>>
>> Please don’t deflect by trying to bring in women’s voices etc because
>> that’s not the point we are discussing.  She could have been any of the
>> 100+ genders she probably believes in and it wouldn’t matter.
>>
>> If you can’t see that most here are doing their best to “tolerate” her
>> then I don’t now what to tell you.
>>
>> We shouldn’t have to barely tolerate anyone here.  Especially if they are
>> not at least warned to change their tone.
>>
>> Speaking of Rick, spoke to him today about a conversation around a 3
>> chairs party here in SF.
>>
>> Has everyone here bought my new release yet??
>>  :-)
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 11:42 AM U Design 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I havent chimed in yet, but seeing Joe's email has prompted me to.
>>>
>>> "We tried to respond respectfully at first..." Sorry, but I didn't see
>>> in the emails to Denise that there was much respect being given, not at the
>>> start or throughout.
>>>
>>> She did apologize for how she reacted and people have continued to go
>>> after her.  As for the comment that "if she was a guy she would've been
>>> removed long ago" I have to disagree.  I love Tom Cox and I loved the
>>> heated debates he used to get in.  Him and I had a few as well. I never got
>>> so touchy that I thought he should be removed from the list. Those threads
>>> and debates back then pushed the envelope much farther than any of the
>>> emails I saw by her did.  And in reality, there have been more emails
>>> discussing this than there were that caused this discussion to begin.
>>>
>>> Her contribution to the music is undeniable and rather than just write
>>> her off as being hostile, maybe everyone should take stock as to why and
>>> what pushed her to become hostile in the first place.
>>>
>>> Removing someone that has contributed as much to the musuc as she has
>>> would be a shame.
>>>
>>> Just my 2 cents.  And Joe, I'm pretty sure Marcellus and Rick would
>>> agree with me on this one.  They love the voices of strong opinionated
>>> women in the scene as much as I do.
>>>
>>> *Jodie
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020, 15:41 Joe Marougi  wrote:
>>>
>>>> So I guess there’s the “two wrongs don’t make a right” argument vs “we
>>>> tried to reply respectfully at first but she keeps replying with hostility
>>>> while trying to justify her tone”
>>>>
>>>> What I replied earlier that wasn’t copied here in the group was asking
>>>> why Kent would risk losing many for the sake of accommodating one.  Makes
>>>> no sense whatsoever.  There are unwritten rules of conduct in each scenario
>>>> which she’s clearly in violation of.
>>>>
>>>> Lastly I feel that if she was a dude she’d have been 86’d by now (or at
>>>> least on a last warning regarding her tone).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>> attention:
>>>>> >>>>>>>>> https://undergroundandblack.com/
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>> And it's clear there's a lot 

Re: Keep it real (and on topic)

[Joe Marougi]

Appreciate the reply Jodie,

I’m gonna go out on what I feel is not too far of a limb by saying you’re
probably the only one here that sees her “apologies” as not being
backhanded.

Please don’t deflect by trying to bring in women’s voices etc because
that’s not the point we are discussing.  She could have been any of the
100+ genders she probably believes in and it wouldn’t matter.

If you can’t see that most here are doing their best to “tolerate” her then
I don’t now what to tell you.

We shouldn’t have to barely tolerate anyone here.  Especially if they are
not at least warned to change their tone.

Speaking of Rick, spoke to him today about a conversation around a 3 chairs
party here in SF.

Has everyone here bought my new release yet??
 :-)

On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 11:42 AM U Design 
wrote:

> I havent chimed in yet, but seeing Joe's email has prompted me to.
>
> "We tried to respond respectfully at first..." Sorry, but I didn't see in
> the emails to Denise that there was much respect being given, not at the
> start or throughout.
>
> She did apologize for how she reacted and people have continued to go
> after her.  As for the comment that "if she was a guy she would've been
> removed long ago" I have to disagree.  I love Tom Cox and I loved the
> heated debates he used to get in.  Him and I had a few as well. I never got
> so touchy that I thought he should be removed from the list. Those threads
> and debates back then pushed the envelope much farther than any of the
> emails I saw by her did.  And in reality, there have been more emails
> discussing this than there were that caused this discussion to begin.
>
> Her contribution to the music is undeniable and rather than just write her
> off as being hostile, maybe everyone should take stock as to why and what
> pushed her to become hostile in the first place.
>
> Removing someone that has contributed as much to the musuc as she has
> would be a shame.
>
> Just my 2 cents.  And Joe, I'm pretty sure Marcellus and Rick would agree
> with me on this one.  They love the voices of strong opinionated women in
> the scene as much as I do.
>
> *Jodie
>
> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020, 15:41 Joe Marougi  wrote:
>
>> So I guess there’s the “two wrongs don’t make a right” argument vs “we
>> tried to reply respectfully at first but she keeps replying with hostility
>> while trying to justify her tone”
>>
>> What I replied earlier that wasn’t copied here in the group was asking
>> why Kent would risk losing many for the sake of accommodating one.  Makes
>> no sense whatsoever.  There are unwritten rules of conduct in each scenario
>> which she’s clearly in violation of.
>>
>> Lastly I feel that if she was a dude she’d have been 86’d by now (or at
>> least on a last warning regarding her tone).
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> >>>>>>>>> attention:
>>> >>>>>>>>> https://undergroundandblack.com/
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>> And it's clear there's a lot of emotional upset and personal
>>> issues
>>> >>>>>>>>> that have spilled onto the list.  I don't want to say that's
>>> not
>>> >>>>>>>>> appropriate content, but it should be in the context that
>>> we're a group of
>>> >>>>>>>>> friends, widely dispersed geographically, with something in
>>> common.. So keep
>>> >>>>>>>>> in mind you're talking to a friend, and they deserve respect
>>> even if you
>>> >>>>>>>>> disagree with them.
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> --
>>> >>>>>>> Denise Dalphond, Ph. D.
>>> >>>>>>> ethnomusicologist
>>> >>>>>>> schoolcraftwax.work
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> --
>>> >>>>> Denise Dalphond, Ph. D.
>>> >>>>> ethnomusicologist
>>> >>>>> schoolcraftwax.work
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> --
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Lerato Khathi
>>> >>>> http://uzurirecordings.com
>>> >>>> http://uzuriartistbookingsandmanagement.com
>>> >>>> http://soundcloud.com/uzuri
>>> >>>> Skype : Lakuti
>>> >>>>
>>> >>> --
>>> >> Denise Dalphond, Ph. D.
>>> >> ethnomusicologist
>>> >> schoolcraftwax.work
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >--
>>> >
>>> >Lerato Khathi
>>> >http://uzurirecordings.com
>>> >http://uzuriartistbookingsandmanagement.com
>>> >http://soundcloud.com/uzuri
>>> >Skype : Lakuti
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>

Re: Keep it real (and on topic)

[Joe Marougi]

Well my man the solution is simple but I suppose our mod(s) are choosing to
nurture the cancer as opposed to treat it.



On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 1:45 PM Andrew Green  wrote:

> Been lurking here for a long time .. I read the emails when I’m travelling
> and need space.
>
> I know Lerato and seeing her departure saddened me.
>
> I’m not qualified to have an opinion on the Derrick / Michael thing.
> but it’s really bizarre and ironic that the Innovator could be catalysis
> for the 313 list breaking up.  I hope not !
>
>
>
>
> > On 26 Feb 2020, at 19:58, Arturo Lopez  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > Yea I'm out, too.  Signal/Noise ratio has not been worth slugging
> through dumpster fire threads for a while now.  Have fun, cheers,
> everybody.
> > -Arturo
> >
> >
>

Re: Keep it real (and on topic)

[Joe Marougi]

Tom is my boy and a fan of my label.
Wish he was still here.

On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 1:35 PM Martin  wrote:

> I miss Tom
>

Re: Keep it real (and on topic)

[Joe Marougi]

So I guess there’s the “two wrongs don’t make a right” argument vs “we
tried to reply respectfully at first but she keeps replying with hostility
while trying to justify her tone”

What I replied earlier that wasn’t copied here in the group was asking why
Kent would risk losing many for the sake of accommodating one.  Makes no
sense whatsoever.  There are unwritten rules of conduct in each scenario
which she’s clearly in violation of.

Lastly I feel that if she was a dude she’d have been 86’d by now (or at
least on a last warning regarding her tone).



On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 12:32 PM Mario De Block  wrote:

> I would also hope mutual respect to be preserved, instead of hostile
> egoism, leaking from one quite specific mind openly.
>
> Hostile and belligerent tones create negative space, leading to members to
> hold back or withdraw from any contribution. This list should be about all
> we want to know and share on the D. Music and stuff related. But the D. The
> one and, can I say, single D, please. No ego should matter here.
>
> Mario
> --
> *Van:* ja...@iridite.com 
> *Verzonden:* woensdag 26 februari 2020 20:53
> *Aan:* Fred Heutte 
> *CC:* 313 list <313@hyperreal.org>; Lerato Khathi <
> booki...@uzuriartistbookingsandmanagement.com>
> *Onderwerp:* Re: Keep it real (and on topic)
>
> Amen to that Fred.
>
> On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 at 19:28, Fred Heutte  wrote:
>
> I'm also basically a lurker these days but a list member since 1994.  Also
> had the great fortune to meet Lakuti along with Earl Gateshead and the
> Flying/Plastic People crew in London 20 years ago -- and saw her play
> at the Detroit Artist Test Lab during the festival last year.  (damn, that
> was
> a Throw Down!)  She has listings on RA (so many!).
>
> https://www.residentadvisor.net/dj/lakuti/dates?yr=2020
>
> She has been a friend to so many, built so much along the way, opened
> doors and kept them open.  I hope my good friend decides to stay on
> 313, but either way I honor the decision.
>
> So here is what I have to say: this raises core questions about the
> ongoing purpose of this list.  If we can't respect each other, why
> should any of us continue to subscribe?
>
> The 313 list has been a valued and even inspirational resource for me
> for a quarter century.  It has persisted long after most of the other
> mid-1990s
> mailing lists have faded away.  It has enabled lifetime friendships.
>
> Interaction online exposes different viewpoints and that's actually
> beneficial -- as long as we truly demonstrate respect for each other.
> Without that, there is no reason to continue.
>
> peace
>
> fh
>
>
>
>
>
> -
> >crikey . classic example of how not to built community .
> >i am writing to you as a black african queer woman denise who has put a
> lot
> >into supporting and nurturing a lot of djs and artists .
> >and i continue to work hard to support communities within the global music
> >network young and old often from marginalized communities who do not get a
> >look in , in the current climate in electronic music but yeah carry on
> >being tone deaf .
> >my last word . thanks for everything to everyone else over the yrs .
> >keep supporting music not egos .
> >i am out of here .
> >
> >On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 at 18:52, Denise Dalphond 
> >wrote:
> >
> >> Hey guys, I owe you nothing. You don’t have to like my communication.
> I’ll
> >> take up as much space as I need. Most people expect women to be quiet.
> I’m
> >> not. You can read my writing in some published books. It’s all on my
> >> website, which is in my signature. Next up is an article on Detroit and
> >> resistance in the first Oxford Handbook of Electronic Dance Music.
> It’s a
> >> pretty big series.
> >>
> >> I’ve never unsubscribed. This is the 313 list, not the IDM list.
> It’s
> >> pretty important. I used to never or rarely talk on this list. Now I
> speak
> >> up more. It’s super patriarchal of everyone to gang up on the woman.
> Often,
> >> I get private messages of support from subscribers when I speak up on
> this
> >> list.
> >>
> >> I’ll email the 313 list any time I have something to contribute.
> >>
> >> Denise Dalphond
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 12:45 PM Joe Marougi 
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Very well said.  What’s worse is the lack of remorse. Just empty
> >>> “admissions of guiltâ€
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 9:42 AM Lerato Khat

Re: Keep it real (and on topic)

[Joe Marougi]

I know...my bad for not realizing the list wasn’t cc’d on my reply which I
thought it was.


On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 11:57 AM Fred Heutte  wrote:

> I'm not Kent.
>
> -
> >Good job Kent, risk losing many rather than risk “offending† (or
> better
> >yet, removing) one.  I’m sure she’ll have fun taking to herself since
> she’s
> >probably used to it.
> >
> >Something tells me if she was a dude she’d be 86’d by now (or at least
> >severely warned).
> >
> >
> >
> >On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 11:28 AM Fred Heutte 
> wrote:
> >
> >> I'm also basically a lurker these days but a list member since 1994.
> Also
> >> had the great fortune to meet Lakuti along with Earl Gateshead and the
> >> Flying/Plastic People crew in London 20 years ago -- and saw her play
> >> at the Detroit Artist Test Lab during the festival last year.  (damn,
> that
> >> was
> >> a Throw Down!)  She has listings on RA (so many!).
> >>
> >> https://www.residentadvisor.net/dj/lakuti/dates?yr=2020
> >>
> >> She has been a friend to so many, built so much along the way, opened
> >> doors and kept them open.  I hope my good friend decides to stay on
> >> 313, but either way I honor the decision.
> >>
> >> So here is what I have to say: this raises core questions about the
> >> ongoing purpose of this list.  If we can't respect each other, why
> >> should any of us continue to subscribe?
> >>
> >> The 313 list has been a valued and even inspirational resource for me
> >> for a quarter century.  It has persisted long after most of the other
> >> mid-1990s
> >> mailing lists have faded away.  It has enabled lifetime friendships.
> >>
> >> Interaction online exposes different viewpoints and that's actually
> >> beneficial -- as long as we truly demonstrate respect for each other.
> >> Without that, there is no reason to continue.
> >>
> >> peace
> >>
> >> fh
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -
> >> >crikey . classic example of how not to built community .
> >> >i am writing to you as a black african queer woman denise who has put a
> >> lot
> >> >into supporting and nurturing a lot of djs and artists .
> >> >and i continue to work hard to support communities within the global
> music
> >> >network young and old often from marginalized communities who do not
> get a
> >> >look in , in the current climate in electronic music but yeah carry on
> >> >being tone deaf .
> >> >my last word . thanks for everything to everyone else over the yrs .
> >> >keep supporting music not egos .
> >> >i am out of here .
> >> >
> >> >On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 at 18:52, Denise Dalphond <
> denisedalph...@gmail.com>
> >> >wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Hey guys, I owe you nothing. You don’t have to like my
> communication.
> >> I’ll
> >> >> take up as much space as I need. Most people expect women to be
> quiet.
> >> I’m
> >> >> not. You can read my writing in some published books. It’s
> all on my
> >> >> website, which is in my signature. Next up is an article on Detroit
> and
> >> >> resistance in the first Oxford Handbook of Electronic Dance Music.
> >> It’s a
> >> >> pretty big series.
> >> >>
> >> >> I’ve never unsubscribed. This is the 313 list, not the IDM
> list.
> >> It’s
> >> >> pretty important. I used to never or rarely talk on this list. Now I
> >> speak
> >> >> up more. It’s super patriarchal of everyone to gang up on the
> woman.
> >> Often,
> >> >> I get private messages of support from subscribers when I speak up on
> >> this
> >> >> list.
> >> >>
> >> >> I’ll email the 313 list any time I have something to
> contribute.
> >> >>
> >> >> Denise Dalphond
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 12:45 PM Joe Marougi 
> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> Very well said.  What’s worse is the lack of remorse. Just
> empty
> >> >>> “admissions of guiltâ€
> >

Re: Keep it real (and on topic)

[Joe Marougi]

Dude Kent why don’t you simply remove her?  She clearly violates any sort
of “code of conduct” that doesn’t need to be written down but rather seen
as common sense.

That, and she makes other members uncomfortable regardless if she crosses
any lines or not with her constant race and gender baiting.



On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 9:52 AM Denise Dalphond 
wrote:

> Hey guys, I owe you nothing. You don’t have to like my communication. I’ll
> take up as much space as I need. Most people expect women to be quiet. I’m
> not. You can read my writing in some published books. It’s all on my
> website, which is in my signature. Next up is an article on Detroit and
> resistance in the first Oxford Handbook of Electronic Dance Music. It’s a
> pretty big series.
>
> I’ve never unsubscribed. This is the 313 list, not the IDM list. It’s
> pretty important. I used to never or rarely talk on this list. Now I speak
> up more. It’s super patriarchal of everyone to gang up on the woman. Often,
> I get private messages of support from subscribers when I speak up on this
> list.
>
> I’ll email the 313 list any time I have something to contribute.
>
> Denise Dalphond
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 12:45 PM Joe Marougi  wrote:
>
>> Very well said.  What’s worse is the lack of remorse. Just empty
>> “admissions of guilt”
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 9:42 AM Lerato Khathi <
>> booki...@uzuriartistbookingsandmanagement.com> wrote:
>>
>>> i do not know you denise but i have been subscribed to this group for a
>>> long time therefore i feel that i am a bit qualified to make a comment .
>>> i am a lurker and posted sometimes but only occasionally yrs back .
>>> i do find though that your approach denise  can be very confrontational
>>> and can often take up a lot of space . it often feels like the list is
>>> dormant bar the denise show .
>>> i am personally not gaining a lot from the list  compared to former
>>> times and will need to unsubscribe shortly because i get no joy from these
>>> occasional outbursts .
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 at 18:20, Denise Dalphond 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Well, Kent, nobody knows who’s unsubbing except for you. So maybe it’s
>>>> just your family.
>>>>
>>>> I wish I had money to go clubbing more often in Detroit. I wish I had a
>>>> boyfriend to go clubbing with. But I’m pretty sure I never been wishin I
>>>> was Black because then you have to suffer racism.
>>>>
>>>> I do love the internet though because I can follow Liquid Sky and other
>>>> NYC 90s rave accounts on Instagram and see pics of clubs I used to go
>>>> raving at in NYC in 1995-1999 when I was going to NYU. Like Twilo, I forgot
>>>> about Twilo. And Shelter. And Vinyl. And Roxy. I brought baby powder for
>>>> the floor at the Roxy sometimes in my bright blue Adidas backpack, or my
>>>> Lisa Frank backpack, cause I was a preppy raver. And the nights, like
>>>> Konkrete Jungle.
>>>>
>>>> Too off topic? Too emotional? I’m so irrational.
>>>>
>>>> Denise Dalphond
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 12:10 PM kent williams 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The Tom Cox battles were epic, but at the same time, ultimately not
>>>>> that great for the list.  Every time there's a big emotional flare-up on
>>>>> 313 people unsubscribe; people I regard as essential members of the 
>>>>> family.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm all for people being opinionated, but it would be great if they
>>>>> were more opinionated about music and less about each other.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 11:05 AM Denise Dalphond <
>>>>> denisedalph...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I miss when Tom Cox was on the list. Maybe that’s because he never
>>>>>> yelled at me. He was more like a mentor 2 me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You can read all about it in the archives. You can read messages from
>>>>>> Dan Sicko, too. In the 313 list archives.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Denise, the woman
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 11:56 AM Joe Marougi 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That’s fine but

Re: Keep it real (and on topic)

[Joe Marougi]

Very well said.  What’s worse is the lack of remorse. Just empty
“admissions of guilt”

On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 9:42 AM Lerato Khathi <
booki...@uzuriartistbookingsandmanagement.com> wrote:

> i do not know you denise but i have been subscribed to this group for a
> long time therefore i feel that i am a bit qualified to make a comment .
> i am a lurker and posted sometimes but only occasionally yrs back .
> i do find though that your approach denise  can be very confrontational
> and can often take up a lot of space . it often feels like the list is
> dormant bar the denise show .
> i am personally not gaining a lot from the list  compared to former times
> and will need to unsubscribe shortly because i get no joy from these
> occasional outbursts .
>
>
>
> On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 at 18:20, Denise Dalphond 
> wrote:
>
>> Well, Kent, nobody knows who’s unsubbing except for you. So maybe it’s
>> just your family.
>>
>> I wish I had money to go clubbing more often in Detroit. I wish I had a
>> boyfriend to go clubbing with. But I’m pretty sure I never been wishin I
>> was Black because then you have to suffer racism.
>>
>> I do love the internet though because I can follow Liquid Sky and other
>> NYC 90s rave accounts on Instagram and see pics of clubs I used to go
>> raving at in NYC in 1995-1999 when I was going to NYU. Like Twilo, I forgot
>> about Twilo. And Shelter. And Vinyl. And Roxy. I brought baby powder for
>> the floor at the Roxy sometimes in my bright blue Adidas backpack, or my
>> Lisa Frank backpack, cause I was a preppy raver. And the nights, like
>> Konkrete Jungle.
>>
>> Too off topic? Too emotional? I’m so irrational.
>>
>> Denise Dalphond
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 12:10 PM kent williams 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The Tom Cox battles were epic, but at the same time, ultimately not that
>>> great for the list.  Every time there's a big emotional flare-up on 313
>>> people unsubscribe; people I regard as essential members of the family.
>>>
>>> I'm all for people being opinionated, but it would be great if they were
>>> more opinionated about music and less about each other.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 11:05 AM Denise Dalphond <
>>> denisedalph...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I miss when Tom Cox was on the list. Maybe that’s because he never
>>>> yelled at me. He was more like a mentor 2 me.
>>>>
>>>> You can read all about it in the archives. You can read messages from
>>>> Dan Sicko, too. In the 313 list archives.
>>>>
>>>> Denise, the woman
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 11:56 AM Joe Marougi 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> That’s fine but why can’t folks tell “certain people” to chill the f
>>>>> out?
>>>>>
>>>>> Is it because she’s a woman, hates being white or wishes she was black?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 8:48 AM kent williams 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I generally just let the 313 list be. Frankly it's been moribund
>>>>>> lately and probably has more subscribers outside of Detroit than inside;
>>>>>> the flavor is completely different than it was 20 years ago. And even
>>>>>> typing "20 years ago" about a mailing list feels weird.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't know what to think about the Derrick May beefing -- I'm not
>>>>>> close enough to any of the principles in that fight to know what's up.  
>>>>>> I'd
>>>>>> rather that the focus stay on music, and to my mind, it's been 30 years
>>>>>> since Derrick May's really been musically relevant.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There are loads of Detroit producers and DJs who are doing great
>>>>>> things now, and I think we've all been remiss to not amplify those
>>>>>> musicians.  There are vital new voices like Ash Lauryn, who deserve more
>>>>>> attention:
>>>>>> https://undergroundandblack.com/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And it's clear there's a lot of emotional upset and personal issues
>>>>>> that have spilled onto the list.  I don't want to say that's not
>>>>>> appropriate content, but it should be in the context that we're a group 
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> friends, widely dispersed geographically, with something in common. So 
>>>>>> keep
>>>>>> in mind you're talking to a friend, and they deserve respect even if you
>>>>>> disagree with them.
>>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>> Denise Dalphond, Ph. D.
>>>> ethnomusicologist
>>>> schoolcraftwax.work
>>>>
>>> --
>> Denise Dalphond, Ph. D.
>> ethnomusicologist
>> schoolcraftwax.work
>>
>
>
> --
>
> Lerato Khathi
> http://uzurirecordings.com
> http://uzuriartistbookingsandmanagement.com
> http://soundcloud.com/uzuri
> Skype : Lakuti
>

Re: Keep it real (and on topic)

[Joe Marougi]

That’s fine but why can’t folks tell “certain people” to chill the f out?

Is it because she’s a woman, hates being white or wishes she was black?



On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 8:48 AM kent williams 
wrote:

> I generally just let the 313 list be. Frankly it's been moribund lately
> and probably has more subscribers outside of Detroit than inside; the
> flavor is completely different than it was 20 years ago. And even typing
> "20 years ago" about a mailing list feels weird.
>
> I don't know what to think about the Derrick May beefing -- I'm not close
> enough to any of the principles in that fight to know what's up.  I'd
> rather that the focus stay on music, and to my mind, it's been 30 years
> since Derrick May's really been musically relevant.
>
> There are loads of Detroit producers and DJs who are doing great things
> now, and I think we've all been remiss to not amplify those musicians.
> There are vital new voices like Ash Lauryn, who deserve more attention:
> https://undergroundandblack.com/
>
> And it's clear there's a lot of emotional upset and personal issues that
> have spilled onto the list.  I don't want to say that's not appropriate
> content, but it should be in the context that we're a group of friends,
> widely dispersed geographically, with something in common. So keep in mind
> you're talking to a friend, and they deserve respect even if you disagree
> with them.
>

Re: Detroit Free Press looking to speak to victims

[Joe Marougi]

Congrats Denise!

You singlehandedly ruined this whole fucking group with your arrogant and
abrasive bullshit.

All that education and you truly SUCK at communicating.  Miserable pathetic
person.



On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 7:12 PM Robert Suárez 
wrote:

> S A M E !
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 22, 2020, 7:09 PM Monica Lesher 
> wrote:
>
>> SAM
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 22, 2020, 22:08 Lerato Khathi <
>> booki...@uzuriartistbookingsandmanagement.com> wrote:
>>
>>> somebdy pls help me unsubscribe from this group .
>>> i'd forgotten how to do it .
>>> pls need to get out of here asap .
>>>
>>> On Sun, 23 Feb 2020 at 10:47, Mister Jones 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Yes, I know what gaslighting is and that's clearly not what's going on
 here.

 I'll quit with this whole topic. I saw what was written and it set me
 off. My apologies to you, Denise, for responding the way I did and to the
 list for even engaging in it.

 Been listening to a bunch of Boiler Room sets lately. Kenny Larkin,
 Octave One, and the like.

 On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 3:30 PM Denise Dalphond <
 denisedalph...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Ever heard of gaslighting? You’re free to join the #MeToo movement. I
> don’t care about yr background. And I don’t care about yr feelings. I like
> techno music, though. A lot. I heard a techno song on Ann Arbor radio just
> the other day.
>
> Denise
>
> On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 6:24 PM Mister Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> True, you did say that, but you said much more and it's the rest of
>> what you wrote that I take issue with. Men and boys would likely talk 
>> more
>> if we received the same encouragement and support women did, but we
>> don't... At all. We're made fun of when we speak on what's happened. Our
>> harassment claims are never taken seriously when it's a woman we're
>> complaining about. A man filing a report against a female rapist is 
>> likely
>> to be laughed out of the station (this isn't speculation, it's documented
>> to have happened). So we keep it to ourselves and tough it out because,
>> like male victims of domestic abuse, there's zero support for us.
>>
>> Is it really brave when you have the support of a whole community
>> standing behind you to come forward? Or is it brave when you stand up and
>> do it completely alone?
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 2:52 PM Denise Dalphond <
>> denisedalph...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I said most children have been molested by at least one family
>>> member. Gender neutral. I’m well aware that females molest and abuse
>>> people.
>>>
>>> Men should talk about it more. But it’s scary. Which leads me to
>>> remember how brave women are. Because we talk about that stuff.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 3:15 PM Mister Jones <
>>> misterjones...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 So... I've been in therapy since mid-August dealing with a range of
 issues and at their core was the fact that I had been molested as a 
 child,
 not by a family member, not by the Catholic priest I served under for 
 three
 years as an altar boy, but by two older girls, one female and one male
 classmate, and as a teenager sexually accosted by grown women in my
 neighborhood in Detroit. This shit reared it's head this late in life 
 (I'm
 just a few years short of 50) bringing nothing but chaos. It has 
 destroyed
 my marriage, wrecked my relationship with my kids, got me in trouble 
 with
 the law, and brought me to the absolute brink. It's so bad that I'll 
 likely
 have to pack up my things and moving back to Michigan without my kids,
 where I'll end up living with my mother and stepfather... At this age.

 Denise, this is nothing against you... I've been on this list in
 one form or another for over 20 years and always have thought highly of
 you... But these days every time I see a woman talking about rape this 
 and
 that, as if it's just a female-centric issue, I'm reminded that guys 
 like
 myself are told to suck it up and shut up... and I get royally pissed.
 Women in general and society at large is pretty dismissive when it's a 
 male
 victim of a female but "OMG!!! The horror!!! Something must be done! 
 Teach
 boys not to rape!!!" when it's a female victim of a male. We're told 
 that
 we should be happy that such things have happened to us when a girl or
 grown woman comes at us like that and that if it's a boy your age, 
 well...
 "you should have just kicked his ass". I've had to sit in silence for
 decades, telling no one about it until it basically destroyed my life. 
 My
 mother was 

Cybotron + Pepsi

[Joe Marougi]

Making me wanna break dance again

https://youtu.be/U64A-8Qzx2Y

Re: carl craig present paperclip people

[Joe Marougi]

Wish there was a vid of the party we helped throw in LA on NYE 1994/95
called Plantasia with C2 live as 69.

His sound check was better than Moby’s whole set :-)

Joe



On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 10:21 AM Mister Jones 
wrote:

> Carl looks like a Detroit pimp in winter in that video. Ski goggles, full
> length fur coat... Prolly got on some Now and Later Gators on and a belt to
> match too.
>
> On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 9:06 AM Mario De Block 
> wrote:
>
>> You could still see the act here.
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxEFlbnjgzQ=25s
>>
>> It remains quite bizarre to me too. Irony is ok, but overdoing vox fx and
>> other technical inadequacies just needlessly damages the music imo.
>>
>> Mario
>> --
>> *Van:* kent williams 
>> *Verzonden:* maandag 13 januari 2020 17:58
>> *Aan:* list 313 <313@hyperreal.org>
>> *Onderwerp:* Re: carl craig present paperclip people
>>
>> That video link is broken. Is it the one of him playing with a fake
>> backup band of models meant to imitate the Robert Palmer "Addicted To Love"
>> music video?
>>
>> That was wack. Especially because instead of hiring models to
>> unconvincingly fake playing, there are many real women who can actually
>> play that would add something meaningful to his live set.
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 5:29 PM dubloop  wrote:
>>
>> i dunno if this was posted here before, probably..
>>
>> but this Carl Craig live PA is rather entertaining :
>>
>> https://youtu.be/VZfb5DwnvBI
>> 
>>
>> what do you think?
>>
>>

Vinyl only release coming soon

[Joe Marougi]

Ok fine this is a shameless plug and the artists are from Chicago and NY
(not “exactly” Detroit) but in case anyone wants to jump on a limited
pressing of a vinyl only release 

Thanks!
Joe

http://www.groovedis.com/shop/product.php?productid=830894==1

Re: Echospace BCN Dub -- horn samples?

[Joe Marougi]

Yeah fair enough.

Of course I can only speak for myself in that I just don’t see enough of
“difference”, plus why I’ve heard from them isn’t as soulful which (again,
for me) makes it that much less appealing.

To me it just sounds like someone saying “Look, I can do it too”

Just my .02


On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 11:42 AM kent williams 
wrote:

> Well ... I think the world is big enough for deepchord/echospace/etc to
> exist alongside Basic Channel.
>
> They're by no means the only people inspired by the intersection of dub &
> techno first put forward by Basic Channel, or the most derivative.
>
> What has always gotten me about their work -- and they've put out an
> insane amount of music -- is that they take a lot of care in sculpting
> their sound.
>
> Your mileage may vary, of course.  Their performance at DEMF in 2002 was a
> peak live experience for me...
>
> On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 1:07 PM Joe Marougi  wrote:
>
>> Wonders if those labels/artists know what biting basic channel too hard
>> means :D
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 10:48 AM Martin  wrote:
>>
>>> (Wonders if they know what dub means)
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On 22 Jan 2019, at 18:42, kent williams  wrote:
>>>
>>> Anyone know this track well enough to recognize the distorted horn
>>> sample?  I am leaning towards it being something from the Burning Spear
>>> "Marcus Garvey" album...
>>>
>>> If you ever wanted an example of creating sampling -- this is it.  It's
>>> as distorted and messed up as a sample can be and still be recognized.
>>>
>>> https://youtu.be/i8DKusXE1S0
>>>
>>>

Re: Echospace BCN Dub -- horn samples?

[Joe Marougi]

Wonders if those labels/artists know what biting basic channel too hard
means :D

On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 10:48 AM Martin  wrote:

> (Wonders if they know what dub means)
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On 22 Jan 2019, at 18:42, kent williams  wrote:
>
> Anyone know this track well enough to recognize the distorted horn
> sample?  I am leaning towards it being something from the Burning Spear
> "Marcus Garvey" album...
>
> If you ever wanted an example of creating sampling -- this is it.  It's as
> distorted and messed up as a sample can be and still be recognized.
>
> https://youtu.be/i8DKusXE1S0
>
>

Re: Mad Mike Tresor interview

[Joe Marougi]

With all due respect brother, it appears you’re only citing a portion of
the definition of a racist to which Denise is clearly aligned with the
other portion.  I’m referring to the portion before the comma and you only
mentioned the pet after the comma.  Here’s the definition:

a person who shows or feels discrimination or prejudice against people of
other races, or who believes that a particular race is superior to another.

Even if you want to “prove in the court of law” that she’s not a racist
based on the technical definition, she’s clearly an insensitive bully who
doesn’t have an ounce of humility in her tone regardless of whether or not
her opinion is accurate.

If anyone was to take her tone with an opposing view they’d be seen as a
grand wizard level white supremist and you all know it.

I was gonna drop this but felt I had to reply based on Kent’s reply.


On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 2:19 PM kent williams 
wrote:

> As the moderator let me weigh in.
>
> 1) I've met and hung out briefly with Denise and participated in some
> substantive on-line discussions with her.  She has a PHD in Ethnomusicology
> from Indiana University, and they don't give those away in boxes of Cracker
> Jacks.  As with the 313 list's most famous troll, Thomas Cox, it can be
> easy to think she's more hostile than she actually intends to be. Of course
> an e-mail list is a 'cool' medium, meaning you have to work extra hard to
> have the right tone in your posts, since all readers on the other side of
> the world have to go on is your words.
>
> 2) Sometimes, saying nothing if all you have is anger is the better
> option. If someone says something that makes you angry, wait until you're
> not angry to respond.  That's how flame wars get started: Too much emotion,
> not enough reflection.
>
> 3) Since I've been on the Internet before there was a commercial internet,
> I haven't stepped into these arguments in part because they have not risen
> to what I would regard as an alarming level of hostility.  If you think Joe
> & Denise are out of order, they're having a picnic by the sea compared to
> the flame wars of old.  If they bother you, they bother you, and you're
> entitled to your opinion.  But I'm not going to tone police anyone unless
> they get genuinely hurtful or threatening.
>
> 4) If you're going to unsubscribe, unsubscribe.  Announcing you're
> unsubscribing from the list is every bit as off topic as getting into
> personal battles in what's meant to be a forum about music.  I'd rather you
> didn't unsubscribe, but I'd also rather you didn't feel compelled to tell
> everyone about it.
>
> 5) I will say one thing: Joe calling Denise racist just seems silly to
> me.  Racism is a belief that one's own race is superior to another.  I
> don't think that's a valid reading of what she says.  To quote Harry Allen
> (Public Enemy's official Media Assassin):
>
> "Racism has a sole, functional expression: White supremacy. Racism is not
> historical. It’s *futuristic*. It is not going away. It is being *refined*.
> It is weaponized through *deceit*, *secrecy*, and *violence*, in that
> order. Its chief tools are not clubs, bullets, or nooses, but *words*."
>
> In other words: To call someone speaking out against white supremacy
> racist is a category error.  Black people might dislike or even hate white
> people, but they are on the losing side of a power relationship. In fact,
> they live within a system where they are consciously and systematically
> disadvantaged. Their racism has no effective expression, which means that
> it has no detectable sting for white people.
>
> Allen goes on with this: "...white people who say they are not racists,
> or that they are against racism, should be clearing race from the paths of
> Black people, like snowplows going through highway drifts. By doing
> nothing, or doing nothing effective, they cast racist suspicion on
> themselves through their inertness."
>
> I think what Denise is trying to do is just that: be an ally, not center
> herself, and clearing race from the paths of Black people.  You can
> question how successful she is with that, and you can question whether this
> is the forum for those expressions.  You can argue with her tone if you
> like -- good luck with that.
>
> But calling her racist is silly.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 3:29 PM Rasputin  wrote:
>
>> They are doing white-washing, like the taz (
>> http://www.taz.de/Red-Bulls-Music-Academy/!5541432/) wrote.
>>
>> PS: Long time lurker
>> PPS: Im glad, that the list is still alive!
>>
>> Am 13.12.18 um 18:15 schrieb Juho Hietala:
>>
>> Wasn’t there a Moodymann album put out by Toyota on the Scion label in
>> 2012 or something? ;)
>>
>>
>>
>> On 13 Dec 2018, at 17:52, Benn Glazier  wrote:
>>
>> Well there's no denying that the Red Bull logo is a license to print
>> money these days; it's also one to spend money. The focus is on the brand
>> as opposed to the product and their brand alignment is with anything that
>> 

Re: Mad Mike Tresor interview

[Joe Marougi]

See what type of person we're dealing with here?

I kinda rest my case

#gaslighter



On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 1:16 PM  wrote:

> How is talking about Mike Banks off topic on a thread about Mike Banks?
>
> My contributions to this listserv are solid.
>
> You’re welcome.
>
>
>
> *Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.*
> *ethnomusicologist*
> *schoolcraftwax.work *
>
> On Dec 13, 2018, at 16:04, Arturo Lopez  wrote:
>
> List Moderators need to come down quickly and without mercy on this kind
> of bullshit with warning and bans, plenty of us way past annoyed at
> uncontroversial threads being consistently hijacked.  Keep it on topic, or
> start your own thread, or take it private and far far away.
>
> Peace
> -Arturo
>
>

Re: Mad Mike Tresor interview

[Joe Marougi]

My man, there’s lots of good info in the conversations here for many years.


I only counted TWO incidents with me and sunshine ☀️ which should be no
more than a blip on the radar.

Please don’t tell me you’re ‘that’ sensitive?  Shit happens now and then
because we all share an emotion called passion.  Roll with it 



On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 12:52 PM Kent Sandvik  wrote:

> I unsubscribed from 313. It's not great when the mind is polluted by harsh
> comments back and forth little to do with techno. --Kent
>
> On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 12:20 PM ja...@iridite.com 
> wrote:
>
>> It's not me that's Unsubbing Joe...it's others.  And there's not a huge
>> amount of traffic on here and as Kent mentioned a few weeks ago, there's a
>> significant amount of new people on here who's first experience of the
>> hallowed 313 list is a couple of people bickering endlessly
>>
>> That's nothing like the sparky and knowledgeable chats I used to see on
>> here 15 years ago.
>>
>> On Thu, 13 Dec 2018 at 20:16, Joe Marougi  wrote:
>>
>>> I don’t like it when she bullies others.  They may be too polite to bite
>>> back but I’m not.
>>>
>>> I’ve received private messages from users in support of my replies.
>>>
>>> How about you ignore them?  Its not like it happens that often, nor does
>>> it get in the way of other discussions.
>>>
>>> If she can use posts as segways into her self/white hate by directly or
>>> indirectly baiting us into false race-related angles then why can’t we
>>> respond?
>>>
>>> The Drexciya video thread was a classic example.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 12:08 PM ja...@iridite.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Denise and Joe, is there no way you can keep your mutual animosity out
>>>>> of this arena?  It's seriously off-putting.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 13 Dec 2018 at 17:37, Kent Sandvik  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Threads like this with so much hatred have nothing to do with techno
>>>>>> and Detroit so most likely I will unsubscribe. --Kent
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 9:27 AM Manish Miglani <
>>>>>> noreplyfut...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please unsubscribe.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Manish Miglani
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *“Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens
>>>>>>> can change the world.  Indeed, it’s the only thing that ever has.”
>>>>>>> Margaret Mead*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Dec 13, 2018, at 11:25 AM, denisedalph...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It does stand for that. They changed the meaning of it because my
>>>>>>> shit was so strong.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Joe, did you read my new article about Drexciya and Moodymann and UR
>>>>>>> and Theo Parrish? It’s in a book.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Love,
>>>>>>> Denise
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.*
>>>>>>> *ethnomusicologist*
>>>>>>> *schoolcraftwax.work <http://schoolcraftwax.work/>*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Dec 13, 2018, at 12:05, Joe Marougi  wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Her “heart?”
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You mean her “hate”.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> She’s the biggest racist in this group and doesn’t even realize it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Her PhD probably stands for profound hate doctorate.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 9:00 AM Martin Dust 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Red Bull don’t actually make anything, the drink itself is licensed
>>>>>>>> and manufactured by the original Thai licenser (Chaleo Yoovidhya). Red 
>>>>>>>> Bull
>>>>>>>> only exist to make money, somewhere around 6 Billion last time I 
>>>>>>>> looked.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> All their labour goes into the brand, that’s why they buy out edgy
>>>>>>>> sports and events, they are after the front covers rather than paying 
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> advertising. This also helps keep up the claim of being an edgy
>>>>>>>> “non-marketed brand” - it cost a lot of money to do that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There target is always young kids, the next generation, pretty easy
>>>>>>>> when they have a 70% share of the market.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My experience of them is they collect people, creditability and
>>>>>>>> “things”, they employ creative agencies to do the buying and not cheap
>>>>>>>> agencies either.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I’m surprised that Denise has any support in her heart for people
>>>>>>>> who do this on a weekly basis.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://imgur.com/a/VfHYGjU
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> > On 13 Dec 2018, at 16:58, denisedalph...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > Moodymann just played Paisley Park and red bull had a hand in
>>>>>>>> arranging that. That’s good for Moodymann, who plays in Detroit a lot. 
>>>>>>>> So
>>>>>>>> that’s good for Detroit.
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > Mike Banks should have been treated with way more fanfare and
>>>>>>>> better questions. But he gets to take that enormous, global stage. 
>>>>>>>> That’s
>>>>>>>> good for Mike Banks and good for Detroit.
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.
>>>>>>>> > ethnomusicologist
>>>>>>>> > schoolcraftwax.work
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>

Re: Mad Mike Tresor interview

[Joe Marougi]

Haha I know right??

To be honest it’s been slim pickings for a while now and if I get one more
demo from a teenage duo I’m gonna hurt somebody 藍



On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 12:50 PM ja...@iridite.com 
wrote:

> Never heard of them, glad to see you are promoting new talent Joe 
>
> On Thu, 13 Dec 2018 at 20:48, Joe Marougi  wrote:
>
>> Ok then if i will be forced to bite my tongue with her then I’ll have to
>> replace it with some self promotion of a new 2-track (vinyl only) ep Im
>> working on for my label. Still ironing out the final agreement.
>>
>> It will be a 45rpm 12” that will have an original track from Rick Wilhite
>> on one side and one from Norm Talley on the other 
>>
>> Preview coming hopefully soon...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 12:41 PM ja...@iridite.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I just think it's 100% plain that you two trigger each other to a high
>>> degree and I can completely understand whybut how do we move forward
>>> and talk about music and the knowledge we've got about it when so many
>>> subjects seem to lead to a shouting match between two people?
>>>
>>> ANYHOW, did anyone check out the Todd Sines EP on Sleepers from a year
>>> or two ago?  Very good Detroit-ish Techno, I really liked it.
>>>
>>> https://soundcloud.com/sleepersound-2/a2-depth
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, 13 Dec 2018 at 20:30, Joe Marougi  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Denise,
>>>> The fact that you think that your views would make anyone laugh
>>>> deserves a thread of its own.
>>>>
>>>> Jason,
>>>> I hear you and I promise to tone it down.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 12:24 PM  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> It is my sincere hope that my words make some people on this list
>>>>> laugh. And don’t forget about all the lurkers. Their opinions might be
>>>>> smart, too.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.*
>>>>> *ethnomusicologist*
>>>>> *schoolcraftwax.work <http://schoolcraftwax.work/>*
>>>>>
>>>>> On Dec 13, 2018, at 15:19, "ja...@iridite.com" 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> It's not me that's Unsubbing Joe...it's others.  And there's not a
>>>>> huge amount of traffic on here and as Kent mentioned a few weeks ago,
>>>>> there's a significant amount of new people on here who's first experience
>>>>> of the hallowed 313 list is a couple of people bickering endlessly
>>>>>
>>>>> That's nothing like the sparky and knowledgeable chats I used to see
>>>>> on here 15 years ago.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 13 Dec 2018 at 20:16, Joe Marougi  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I don’t like it when she bullies others.  They may be too polite to
>>>>>> bite back but I’m not.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I’ve received private messages from users in support of my replies.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How about you ignore them?  Its not like it happens that often, nor
>>>>>> does it get in the way of other discussions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If she can use posts as segways into her self/white hate by directly
>>>>>> or indirectly baiting us into false race-related angles then why can’t we
>>>>>> respond?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Drexciya video thread was a classic example.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 12:08 PM ja...@iridite.com 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Denise and Joe, is there no way you can keep your mutual animosity
>>>>>>>> out of this arena?  It's seriously off-putting.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 13 Dec 2018 at 17:37, Kent Sandvik 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Threads like this with so much hatred have nothing to do with
>>>>>>>>> techno and Detroit so most likely I will unsubscribe. --Kent
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 9:27 AM Manish Miglani <
>>>>>>>>> noreplyf

Re: Mad Mike Tresor interview

[Joe Marougi]

Ok then if i will be forced to bite my tongue with her then I’ll have to
replace it with some self promotion of a new 2-track (vinyl only) ep Im
working on for my label. Still ironing out the final agreement.

It will be a 45rpm 12” that will have an original track from Rick Wilhite
on one side and one from Norm Talley on the other 

Preview coming hopefully soon...




On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 12:41 PM ja...@iridite.com 
wrote:

> I just think it's 100% plain that you two trigger each other to a high
> degree and I can completely understand whybut how do we move forward
> and talk about music and the knowledge we've got about it when so many
> subjects seem to lead to a shouting match between two people?
>
> ANYHOW, did anyone check out the Todd Sines EP on Sleepers from a year or
> two ago?  Very good Detroit-ish Techno, I really liked it.
>
> https://soundcloud.com/sleepersound-2/a2-depth
>
>
>
> On Thu, 13 Dec 2018 at 20:30, Joe Marougi  wrote:
>
>> Denise,
>> The fact that you think that your views would make anyone laugh deserves
>> a thread of its own.
>>
>> Jason,
>> I hear you and I promise to tone it down.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 12:24 PM  wrote:
>>
>>> It is my sincere hope that my words make some people on this list laugh.
>>> And don’t forget about all the lurkers. Their opinions might be smart, too.
>>>
>>>
>>> *Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.*
>>> *ethnomusicologist*
>>> *schoolcraftwax.work <http://schoolcraftwax.work/>*
>>>
>>> On Dec 13, 2018, at 15:19, "ja...@iridite.com" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> It's not me that's Unsubbing Joe...it's others.  And there's not a huge
>>> amount of traffic on here and as Kent mentioned a few weeks ago, there's a
>>> significant amount of new people on here who's first experience of the
>>> hallowed 313 list is a couple of people bickering endlessly
>>>
>>> That's nothing like the sparky and knowledgeable chats I used to see on
>>> here 15 years ago.
>>>
>>> On Thu, 13 Dec 2018 at 20:16, Joe Marougi  wrote:
>>>
>>>> I don’t like it when she bullies others.  They may be too polite to
>>>> bite back but I’m not.
>>>>
>>>> I’ve received private messages from users in support of my replies.
>>>>
>>>> How about you ignore them?  Its not like it happens that often, nor
>>>> does it get in the way of other discussions.
>>>>
>>>> If she can use posts as segways into her self/white hate by directly or
>>>> indirectly baiting us into false race-related angles then why can’t we
>>>> respond?
>>>>
>>>> The Drexciya video thread was a classic example.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 12:08 PM ja...@iridite.com 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Denise and Joe, is there no way you can keep your mutual animosity out
>>>>>> of this arena?  It's seriously off-putting.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, 13 Dec 2018 at 17:37, Kent Sandvik  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Threads like this with so much hatred have nothing to do with techno
>>>>>>> and Detroit so most likely I will unsubscribe. --Kent
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 9:27 AM Manish Miglani <
>>>>>>> noreplyfut...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Please unsubscribe.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Manish Miglani
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *“Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens
>>>>>>>> can change the world.  Indeed, it’s the only thing that ever has.”
>>>>>>>> Margaret Mead*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Dec 13, 2018, at 11:25 AM, denisedalph...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It does stand for that. They changed the meaning of it because my
>>>>>>>> shit was so strong.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Joe, did you read my new article about Drexciya and Moodymann and
>>>>>>>> UR and Theo Parrish? It’s in a book.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>&g

Re: Mad Mike Tresor interview

[Joe Marougi]

Denise,
The fact that you think that your views would make anyone laugh deserves a
thread of its own.

Jason,
I hear you and I promise to tone it down.



On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 12:24 PM  wrote:

> It is my sincere hope that my words make some people on this list laugh.
> And don’t forget about all the lurkers. Their opinions might be smart, too.
>
>
> *Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.*
> *ethnomusicologist*
> *schoolcraftwax.work <http://schoolcraftwax.work/>*
>
> On Dec 13, 2018, at 15:19, "ja...@iridite.com"  wrote:
>
> It's not me that's Unsubbing Joe...it's others.  And there's not a huge
> amount of traffic on here and as Kent mentioned a few weeks ago, there's a
> significant amount of new people on here who's first experience of the
> hallowed 313 list is a couple of people bickering endlessly
>
> That's nothing like the sparky and knowledgeable chats I used to see on
> here 15 years ago.
>
> On Thu, 13 Dec 2018 at 20:16, Joe Marougi  wrote:
>
>> I don’t like it when she bullies others.  They may be too polite to bite
>> back but I’m not.
>>
>> I’ve received private messages from users in support of my replies.
>>
>> How about you ignore them?  Its not like it happens that often, nor does
>> it get in the way of other discussions.
>>
>> If she can use posts as segways into her self/white hate by directly or
>> indirectly baiting us into false race-related angles then why can’t we
>> respond?
>>
>> The Drexciya video thread was a classic example.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 12:08 PM ja...@iridite.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Denise and Joe, is there no way you can keep your mutual animosity out
>>>> of this arena?  It's seriously off-putting.
>>>>
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 13 Dec 2018 at 17:37, Kent Sandvik  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Threads like this with so much hatred have nothing to do with techno
>>>>> and Detroit so most likely I will unsubscribe. --Kent
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 9:27 AM Manish Miglani <
>>>>> noreplyfut...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Please unsubscribe.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Manish Miglani
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *“Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens
>>>>>> can change the world.  Indeed, it’s the only thing that ever has.”
>>>>>> Margaret Mead*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Dec 13, 2018, at 11:25 AM, denisedalph...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It does stand for that. They changed the meaning of it because my
>>>>>> shit was so strong.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Joe, did you read my new article about Drexciya and Moodymann and UR
>>>>>> and Theo Parrish? It’s in a book.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Love,
>>>>>> Denise
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.*
>>>>>> *ethnomusicologist*
>>>>>> *schoolcraftwax.work <http://schoolcraftwax.work/>*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Dec 13, 2018, at 12:05, Joe Marougi  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Her “heart?”
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You mean her “hate”.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> She’s the biggest racist in this group and doesn’t even realize it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Her PhD probably stands for profound hate doctorate.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 9:00 AM Martin Dust 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Red Bull don’t actually make anything, the drink itself is licensed
>>>>>>> and manufactured by the original Thai licenser (Chaleo Yoovidhya). Red 
>>>>>>> Bull
>>>>>>> only exist to make money, somewhere around 6 Billion last time I looked.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All their labour goes into the brand, that’s why they buy out edgy
>>>>>>> sports and events, they are after the front covers rather than paying 
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> advertising. This also helps keep up the claim of being an edgy
>>>>>>> “non-marketed brand” - it cost a lot of money to do that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There target is always young kids, the next generation, pretty easy
>>>>>>> when they have a 70% share of the market.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My experience of them is they collect people, creditability and
>>>>>>> “things”, they employ creative agencies to do the buying and not cheap
>>>>>>> agencies either.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I’m surprised that Denise has any support in her heart for people
>>>>>>> who do this on a weekly basis.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://imgur.com/a/VfHYGjU
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > On 13 Dec 2018, at 16:58, denisedalph...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Moodymann just played Paisley Park and red bull had a hand in
>>>>>>> arranging that. That’s good for Moodymann, who plays in Detroit a lot. 
>>>>>>> So
>>>>>>> that’s good for Detroit.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Mike Banks should have been treated with way more fanfare and
>>>>>>> better questions. But he gets to take that enormous, global stage. 
>>>>>>> That’s
>>>>>>> good for Mike Banks and good for Detroit.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.
>>>>>>> > ethnomusicologist
>>>>>>> > schoolcraftwax.work
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>

Re: Mad Mike Tresor interview

[Joe Marougi]

I don’t like it when she bullies others.  They may be too polite to bite
back but I’m not.

I’ve received private messages from users in support of my replies.

How about you ignore them?  Its not like it happens that often, nor does it
get in the way of other discussions.

If she can use posts as segways into her self/white hate by directly or
indirectly baiting us into false race-related angles then why can’t we
respond?

The Drexciya video thread was a classic example.




On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 12:08 PM ja...@iridite.com 
wrote:

>
> Denise and Joe, is there no way you can keep your mutual animosity out of
>> this arena?  It's seriously off-putting.
>>
>
>> On Thu, 13 Dec 2018 at 17:37, Kent Sandvik  wrote:
>>
>>> Threads like this with so much hatred have nothing to do with techno and
>>> Detroit so most likely I will unsubscribe. --Kent
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 9:27 AM Manish Miglani 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Please unsubscribe.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Manish Miglani
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> *“Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can
>>>> change the world.  Indeed, it’s the only thing that ever has.”  Margaret
>>>> Mead*
>>>>
>>>> On Dec 13, 2018, at 11:25 AM, denisedalph...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It does stand for that. They changed the meaning of it because my shit
>>>> was so strong.
>>>>
>>>> Joe, did you read my new article about Drexciya and Moodymann and UR
>>>> and Theo Parrish? It’s in a book.
>>>>
>>>> Love,
>>>> Denise
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.*
>>>> *ethnomusicologist*
>>>> *schoolcraftwax.work <http://schoolcraftwax.work/>*
>>>>
>>>> On Dec 13, 2018, at 12:05, Joe Marougi  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Her “heart?”
>>>>
>>>> You mean her “hate”.
>>>>
>>>> She’s the biggest racist in this group and doesn’t even realize it.
>>>>
>>>> Her PhD probably stands for profound hate doctorate.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 9:00 AM Martin Dust 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Red Bull don’t actually make anything, the drink itself is licensed
>>>>> and manufactured by the original Thai licenser (Chaleo Yoovidhya). Red 
>>>>> Bull
>>>>> only exist to make money, somewhere around 6 Billion last time I looked.
>>>>>
>>>>> All their labour goes into the brand, that’s why they buy out edgy
>>>>> sports and events, they are after the front covers rather than paying for
>>>>> advertising. This also helps keep up the claim of being an edgy
>>>>> “non-marketed brand” - it cost a lot of money to do that.
>>>>>
>>>>> There target is always young kids, the next generation, pretty easy
>>>>> when they have a 70% share of the market.
>>>>>
>>>>> My experience of them is they collect people, creditability and
>>>>> “things”, they employ creative agencies to do the buying and not cheap
>>>>> agencies either.
>>>>>
>>>>> I’m surprised that Denise has any support in her heart for people who
>>>>> do this on a weekly basis.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://imgur.com/a/VfHYGjU
>>>>>
>>>>> > On 13 Dec 2018, at 16:58, denisedalph...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Moodymann just played Paisley Park and red bull had a hand in
>>>>> arranging that. That’s good for Moodymann, who plays in Detroit a lot. So
>>>>> that’s good for Detroit.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Mike Banks should have been treated with way more fanfare and better
>>>>> questions. But he gets to take that enormous, global stage. That’s good 
>>>>> for
>>>>> Mike Banks and good for Detroit.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.
>>>>> > ethnomusicologist
>>>>> > schoolcraftwax.work
>>>>>
>>>>>

Re: Mad Mike Tresor interview

[Joe Marougi]

Her “heart?”

You mean her “hate”.

She’s the biggest racist in this group and doesn’t even realize it.

Her PhD probably stands for profound hate doctorate.


On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 9:00 AM Martin Dust  wrote:

> Red Bull don’t actually make anything, the drink itself is licensed and
> manufactured by the original Thai licenser (Chaleo Yoovidhya). Red Bull
> only exist to make money, somewhere around 6 Billion last time I looked.
>
> All their labour goes into the brand, that’s why they buy out edgy sports
> and events, they are after the front covers rather than paying for
> advertising. This also helps keep up the claim of being an edgy
> “non-marketed brand” - it cost a lot of money to do that.
>
> There target is always young kids, the next generation, pretty easy when
> they have a 70% share of the market.
>
> My experience of them is they collect people, creditability and “things”,
> they employ creative agencies to do the buying and not cheap agencies
> either.
>
> I’m surprised that Denise has any support in her heart for people who do
> this on a weekly basis.
>
> https://imgur.com/a/VfHYGjU
>
> > On 13 Dec 2018, at 16:58, denisedalph...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > Moodymann just played Paisley Park and red bull had a hand in arranging
> that. That’s good for Moodymann, who plays in Detroit a lot. So that’s good
> for Detroit.
> >
> > Mike Banks should have been treated with way more fanfare and better
> questions. But he gets to take that enormous, global stage. That’s good for
> Mike Banks and good for Detroit.
> >
> >
> >
> > Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.
> > ethnomusicologist
> > schoolcraftwax.work
>
>

Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater

[Joe Marougi]

y listened to
>>> what he said in the interview. I felt bad about it, because it was
>>> ignorant. In the same manner I would defend other parties that fail to
>>> appreciate the sensitive nature of it, as probably not aware of the insult.
>>> I just didn't see it that way, that the interpretation as a listener
>>> probably just suited my own world view. I want to be clear that I'm not
>>> disappointed if that were the case, and I regret writing that I would be
>>> disappointed. I am not personally ashamed, but I see no reason to be
>>> disappointed. It's fair enough. I just don't really know enough about it,
>>> leading to my ignorance.
>>>
>>> It's funny the emoticon you have put there looks like happy surprise
>>> (though it probably depends on the image being used in the particular email
>>> reader I guess). It's hard to tell if it's meant to be. You seem happily
>>> provocative, and I don't really object to that. I might go and read more of
>>> what you have got to say about it. The music is something else in any case,
>>> but I accept that you probably know a lot better the motivations behind the
>>> music, and that you may be right.
>>>
>>> On Tue, 6 Nov 2018, at 12:15 PM, denisedalph...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> It took you this long to think of a response. 
>>>
>>> On Nov 6, 2018, at 04:07, Steven Robertson  wrote:
>>>
>>> Denise
>>>
>>> I woke up this morning having had a dream where I hadn't really heard
>>> what James Stinson was saying to Andrew Duke, that it was about racism, and
>>> that Denise was right. The feeling was strong. Only 20 minutes later I'm
>>> writing this and I'm still half asleep, but I know this was playing on my
>>> mind since reading an article on the mostly unknown involvement of Scottish
>>> families in the slave trade, and how Glasgow and Edinburgh benefited, and
>>> honoured those families. It makes you feel sick.
>>>
>>> I'm not well read on history, but I also have read more recently about
>>> the practically unknown, hidden and widespread occupation of Scotland by
>>> the British army for many many years following the battle of Culloden.
>>> Following that were the highland clearances, ordered by land-owners in
>>> England. There's a monument to one of them, the Duke of Sutherland, twice
>>> an MP in the British Parliament, he later became the British ambassador in
>>> Paris. People demand that the statue be removed, or at least moved. In
>>> short, it says more about the British involvement in the slave trade at the
>>> time, but Scotland is shamed. Ports were not directly used, but they were
>>> used in some arrangement which was directly involved with the slave
>>> trade. I felt that we had nothing to do with that ugly business. I was born
>>> in Glasgow, and my ancestors there were all poor working class families. I
>>> think we should be taught this stuff in school. That's all white-washing
>>> and as a result we are mostly ignorant. I will apologise for my own
>>> ignorance, and appreciate that you may be right. I certainly woke with a
>>> strong feeling that you could be.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>> On Wed, 24 Oct 2018, at 7:23 PM, denisedalph...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I didn’t say that Black people would be, should be, or are offended.
>>> Read my original statements. I’m confused by your rage. Better yet, you’re
>>> confused by your rage.
>>>
>>> Denise
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 24, 2018, at 13:33, Joe Marougi  wrote:
>>>
>>> Even though English is my second language I just looked it up and I feel
>>> that it was an accurate description of her intentions based on >50% of the
>>> synonyms being a match.
>>>
>>> Could I have used another word?  Sure, there are many synonyms to choose
>>> from.  I think “not being fair” and “not applying proper moral principles”
>>> is precisely what she’s guilty of:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1CDGOYI_enUS761US761=en-US=_KnQW9COIdrB0PEPjLmWgAM=false=unscrupulous=uns_l=mobile-gws-wiz-serp.1.0.35i39j0i131l2j46i20i264j0i131.3280.5506..6457...1.0..3.502.2111.0j9j1j5-1..01...5..0j0i71j0i10j46i39j0i131i20i264.72dD2dpqNVQ
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 10:19 AM kent williams 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>

Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater

[Joe Marougi]

Even though English is my second language I just looked it up and I feel
that it was an accurate description of her intentions based on >50% of the
synonyms being a match.

Could I have used another word?  Sure, there are many synonyms to choose
from.  I think “not being fair” and “not applying proper moral principles”
is precisely what she’s guilty of:

https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1CDGOYI_enUS761US761=en-US=_KnQW9COIdrB0PEPjLmWgAM=false=unscrupulous=uns_l=mobile-gws-wiz-serp.1.0.35i39j0i131l2j46i20i264j0i131.3280.5506..6457...1.0..3.502.2111.0j9j1j5-1..01...5..0j0i71j0i10j46i39j0i131i20i264.72dD2dpqNVQ




On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 10:19 AM kent williams 
wrote:

> I think it's fine to disagree, even to argue, but putting on my 313 List
> Administrator Crown and picking up my 313 List Administrator Sceptre, let
> me say this:
>
> I think that calling other list members 'unscrupulous' is over the line.
> And in this particular case, patently absurd.  Denise has strong opinions
> and you can argue about them all you want, but she is not unscrupulous.
>
> To quote Inigo Montoya,  "I do not think it means what you think it means."
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 12:03 PM Joe Marougi  wrote:
>
>> Agreed,
>>
>> However I do feel that unscrupulous race-baiting should be called out
>> just as much as actual racist views/comments.
>>
>> Next subject? 邏
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 9:48 AM ja...@iridite.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Heh - you obviously weren't part of our.discussion about Dixon
>>> Avenue Basement Jams a year or so ago on Facebook :)
>>>
>>> ANYWAYlet's move off the insta-drama and on to the music..much love,
>>> massive respect, nuff said
>>>
>>> Jason
>>>
>>> On Wed, 24 Oct 2018 at 17:42, kent williams 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Tom Cox got the fuck out of the 313 list when the getting was good.
>>>> He's still as opinionated as ever, still doing battle with the sucka MCs
>>>> (aren't we all?), but I think he mostly stays out of trouble these days.
>>>>
>>>> I'm trying to remember when he posted to 313 last. Something like 15
>>>> years ago?
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 11:38 AM Martin Dust 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> > On 24 Oct 2018, at 17:36, ja...@iridite.com wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Where's Tom Cox when you need him?  He's always got a calm and
>>>>> measured response in situations like this.
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>> Proper LOL
>>>>
>>>>

Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater

[Joe Marougi]

Yeah ok, and based on popular opinion Lil’ Wayne is the best rapper.

Again, name one black person here that was offended by the video...still
waiting ;)

On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 10:20 AM  wrote:

> Denise’s opinions are widely shared around the world and are based on
> research.
>
>
>
> On Oct 24, 2018, at 13:18, kent williams  wrote:
>
> I think it's fine to disagree, even to argue, but putting on my 313 List
> Administrator Crown and picking up my 313 List Administrator Sceptre, let
> me say this:
>
> I think that calling other list members 'unscrupulous' is over the line.
> And in this particular case, patently absurd.  Denise has strong opinions
> and you can argue about them all you want, but she is not unscrupulous.
>
> To quote Inigo Montoya,  "I do not think it means what you think it means."
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 12:03 PM Joe Marougi  wrote:
>
>> Agreed,
>>
>> However I do feel that unscrupulous race-baiting should be called out
>> just as much as actual racist views/comments.
>>
>> Next subject? 邏
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 9:48 AM ja...@iridite.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Heh - you obviously weren't part of our.discussion about Dixon
>>> Avenue Basement Jams a year or so ago on Facebook :)
>>>
>>> ANYWAYlet's move off the insta-drama and on to the music..much love,
>>> massive respect, nuff said
>>>
>>> Jason
>>>
>>> On Wed, 24 Oct 2018 at 17:42, kent williams 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Tom Cox got the fuck out of the 313 list when the getting was good.
>>>> He's still as opinionated as ever, still doing battle with the sucka MCs
>>>> (aren't we all?), but I think he mostly stays out of trouble these days.
>>>>
>>>> I'm trying to remember when he posted to 313 last. Something like 15
>>>> years ago?
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 11:38 AM Martin Dust 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> > On 24 Oct 2018, at 17:36, ja...@iridite.com wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Where's Tom Cox when you need him?  He's always got a calm and
>>>>> measured response in situations like this.
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>> Proper LOL
>>>>
>>>>

Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater

[Joe Marougi]

Agreed,

However I do feel that unscrupulous race-baiting should be called out just
as much as actual racist views/comments.

Next subject? 邏



On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 9:48 AM ja...@iridite.com  wrote:

> Heh - you obviously weren't part of our.discussion about Dixon Avenue
> Basement Jams a year or so ago on Facebook :)
>
> ANYWAYlet's move off the insta-drama and on to the music..much love,
> massive respect, nuff said
>
> Jason
>
> On Wed, 24 Oct 2018 at 17:42, kent williams 
> wrote:
>
>> Tom Cox got the fuck out of the 313 list when the getting was good. He's
>> still as opinionated as ever, still doing battle with the sucka MCs (aren't
>> we all?), but I think he mostly stays out of trouble these days.
>>
>> I'm trying to remember when he posted to 313 last. Something like 15
>> years ago?
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 11:38 AM Martin Dust 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> > On 24 Oct 2018, at 17:36, ja...@iridite.com wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Where's Tom Cox when you need him?  He's always got a calm and
>>> measured response in situations like this.
>>> >
>>>
>>> Proper LOL
>>
>>

Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater

[Joe Marougi]

Bring on Tom! 藍

Were you offended Jwan?  Kevin?  Anyone?




On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 9:38 AM jwan allen  wrote:

> HA!
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 12:36 PM ja...@iridite.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Where's Tom Cox when you need him?  He's always got a calm and measured
>> response in situations like this.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 24 Oct 2018 at 17:18, Aidan O'Doherty 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Ladies and gentlemen, we've only got the band back together and already
>>> we're squabbling worse than Fleetwood Mac
>>>
>>> Denise, Moxie is RA's go-to-person to narrate their docs. Yes, it would
>>> have been better if they had used a Detroit native and artist, but there
>>> are a myriad of reasons why that isn't the case, none of which I would say
>>> are racist. The most obvious one is that they probably never thought of it.
>>> It is a great idea and it's a pity - Stingray would have been perfect -
>>> that it didn't happen, as it would add extra legitimacy to the project. And
>>> if you mentioned it to RA heads, they would probably kick themselves for
>>> not doing it.
>>>
>>> I can actually ask someone if you want, who is an employee at RA, if
>>> they had actually considered this.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Aidan
>>>
>>> On Wed 24 Oct 2018, 16:59 ,  wrote:
>>>
>>>> What about people of color who are on this list? You don’t know how all
>>>> this old man thinking could be making anyone feel. It’s not a white list!
>>>> WTF
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 24, 2018, at 11:58, Joe Marougi  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I’m saying I’d rather continue to not post much at all than to spew
>>>> racist views like you do.
>>>>
>>>> Apparently you’re not getting the hint from others that have been
>>>> trying to point this out to you more respectfully so I’ll take one for the
>>>> team with this approach.
>>>>
>>>> Couldn’t care less what you think of me.  Grow the fuck up and be happy
>>>> that maybe at least a handful of “racist white folks” now know who Drexciya
>>>> is and maybe even bought a release or two.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 8:50 AM  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Pathetic is one word that comes to mind when I recall Joe Marougi’s
>>>>> past contributions to this listserv.
>>>>>
>>>>> Are you sad that I’m smart or triggered by truth?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Denise
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Oct 24, 2018, at 11:32, Joe Marougi  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Wow Denise you must really be fun at parties.  What the hell are you
>>>>> talking about?
>>>>>
>>>>> That was an amazing video tribute to Drexciya and the “oppressive
>>>>> white woman” was blowing them the whole time with mad props!?
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe you’re forgetting a few things:
>>>>>
>>>>> - RA (or no one at all for that matter) are OBLIGATED to do anything
>>>>> in a certain way.  Their money, their resources, their business. As long 
>>>>> as
>>>>> it was done with integrity and factual etc then there shouldn’t be a
>>>>> problem with it.
>>>>>
>>>>> - Apparenly they felt that the woman had the voice they wanted to lead
>>>>> the video.  Umm, let’s see...maybe because the fucking AUDIENCE they 
>>>>> target
>>>>> look and sound like her??  And again, it’s their dime not yours or mine.
>>>>>
>>>>> - Instead of being pumped that a documentary like this was released
>>>>> and hopefully generated some more awareness for very well-deserved artists
>>>>> you have to come in with your miserable take and try to shit on it.
>>>>>
>>>>> - You’re the only racist here by saying that a white person can’t make
>>>>> something about black people, especially when it’s geared towards MORE
>>>>> white people (their audience).
>>>>>
>>>>> - For fucks sake, this was a totally positive project and you’re
>>>>> trying to make them out to be slave owners.  Are you jelly that you didn’t
>>>>> make it??
>>>>>
>>>&

Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater

[Joe Marougi]

Name one who was fucking offended by the video??

Go ahead, I’ll wait...

Your ignorance is truly astonishing.

That video was dope, informative and above all RESPECTFUL.

I suppose my “way of thinking” hasn’t caught up to me yet because I’m still
tight with my D peeps.  I put out records with and stay at Wilhite’s place
when in town, Atkins would stay at my house back in the day when I’d bring
him out to LA and Kenny personally walked me into Soul Skate last Movement
weekend.

For some reason they don’t give a fuck about all this but YOU do.

The only thing that comes close is my man Mike Grant taking issue with
white European artists using black artwork and artist names on their
releases. I think we can all agree that sucks.



On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 8:59 AM  wrote:

> What about people of color who are on this list? You don’t know how all
> this old man thinking could be making anyone feel. It’s not a white list!
> WTF
>
> On Oct 24, 2018, at 11:58, Joe Marougi  wrote:
>
> I’m saying I’d rather continue to not post much at all than to spew racist
> views like you do.
>
> Apparently you’re not getting the hint from others that have been trying
> to point this out to you more respectfully so I’ll take one for the team
> with this approach.
>
> Couldn’t care less what you think of me.  Grow the fuck up and be happy
> that maybe at least a handful of “racist white folks” now know who Drexciya
> is and maybe even bought a release or two.
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 8:50 AM  wrote:
>
>> Pathetic is one word that comes to mind when I recall Joe Marougi’s past
>> contributions to this listserv.
>>
>> Are you sad that I’m smart or triggered by truth?
>>
>>
>> Denise
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Oct 24, 2018, at 11:32, Joe Marougi  wrote:
>>
>> Wow Denise you must really be fun at parties.  What the hell are you
>> talking about?
>>
>> That was an amazing video tribute to Drexciya and the “oppressive white
>> woman” was blowing them the whole time with mad props!?
>>
>> Maybe you’re forgetting a few things:
>>
>> - RA (or no one at all for that matter) are OBLIGATED to do anything in a
>> certain way.  Their money, their resources, their business. As long as it
>> was done with integrity and factual etc then there shouldn’t be a problem
>> with it.
>>
>> - Apparenly they felt that the woman had the voice they wanted to lead
>> the video.  Umm, let’s see...maybe because the fucking AUDIENCE they target
>> look and sound like her??  And again, it’s their dime not yours or mine.
>>
>> - Instead of being pumped that a documentary like this was released and
>> hopefully generated some more awareness for very well-deserved artists you
>> have to come in with your miserable take and try to shit on it.
>>
>> - You’re the only racist here by saying that a white person can’t make
>> something about black people, especially when it’s geared towards MORE
>> white people (their audience).
>>
>> - For fucks sake, this was a totally positive project and you’re trying
>> to make them out to be slave owners.  Are you jelly that you didn’t make
>> it??
>>
>> The only thing that sucks is if they used my man Andrew’s interview
>> without asking him, but that’s far from any sort of racial bias or angle.
>>
>> That’s like someone starving being given food then complaining it isn’t
>> filet mignon.
>>
>> Pathetic.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 7:06 AM Denise Dalphond 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I love Drexciya. And it's really cool to be able to hear from James
>>> Stinson still in 2018, thanks to Andrew Duke. And it's pretty amazing that
>>> Andrew Duke did that interview. It's a priceless artifact. I could go on!
>>>
>>> Resident Advisor didn't credit Andrew Duke when they first posted the
>>> video, and why is there a white woman's british voice narrating? It's off
>>> putting. They're using the voice of the colonizer to tell the story of
>>> brilliant, musical escape from enslavement and forced labor. Escape from
>>> the colonizer.
>>>
>>> Oh here goes Denise, making everything about race. But this actually all
>>> the way super duper is all about race and racism.
>>>
>>> And how much electronic music culture coverage is based in europe, the
>>> birthplace of imperialism and colonialism?  A lot.
>>>
>>> Music fans and writers should be more concerned about preserving and
>>> protecting and respecting the culture that made this music.
>>>
>>> Why didn't the

Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater

[Joe Marougi]

I’m saying I’d rather continue to not post much at all than to spew racist
views like you do.

Apparently you’re not getting the hint from others that have been trying to
point this out to you more respectfully so I’ll take one for the team with
this approach.

Couldn’t care less what you think of me.  Grow the fuck up and be happy
that maybe at least a handful of “racist white folks” now know who Drexciya
is and maybe even bought a release or two.




On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 8:50 AM  wrote:

> Pathetic is one word that comes to mind when I recall Joe Marougi’s past
> contributions to this listserv.
>
> Are you sad that I’m smart or triggered by truth?
>
>
> Denise
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Oct 24, 2018, at 11:32, Joe Marougi  wrote:
>
> Wow Denise you must really be fun at parties.  What the hell are you
> talking about?
>
> That was an amazing video tribute to Drexciya and the “oppressive white
> woman” was blowing them the whole time with mad props!?
>
> Maybe you’re forgetting a few things:
>
> - RA (or no one at all for that matter) are OBLIGATED to do anything in a
> certain way.  Their money, their resources, their business. As long as it
> was done with integrity and factual etc then there shouldn’t be a problem
> with it.
>
> - Apparenly they felt that the woman had the voice they wanted to lead the
> video.  Umm, let’s see...maybe because the fucking AUDIENCE they target
> look and sound like her??  And again, it’s their dime not yours or mine.
>
> - Instead of being pumped that a documentary like this was released and
> hopefully generated some more awareness for very well-deserved artists you
> have to come in with your miserable take and try to shit on it.
>
> - You’re the only racist here by saying that a white person can’t make
> something about black people, especially when it’s geared towards MORE
> white people (their audience).
>
> - For fucks sake, this was a totally positive project and you’re trying to
> make them out to be slave owners.  Are you jelly that you didn’t make it??
>
> The only thing that sucks is if they used my man Andrew’s interview
> without asking him, but that’s far from any sort of racial bias or angle.
>
> That’s like someone starving being given food then complaining it isn’t
> filet mignon.
>
> Pathetic.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 7:06 AM Denise Dalphond 
> wrote:
>
>> I love Drexciya. And it's really cool to be able to hear from James
>> Stinson still in 2018, thanks to Andrew Duke. And it's pretty amazing that
>> Andrew Duke did that interview. It's a priceless artifact. I could go on!
>>
>> Resident Advisor didn't credit Andrew Duke when they first posted the
>> video, and why is there a white woman's british voice narrating? It's off
>> putting. They're using the voice of the colonizer to tell the story of
>> brilliant, musical escape from enslavement and forced labor. Escape from
>> the colonizer.
>>
>> Oh here goes Denise, making everything about race. But this actually all
>> the way super duper is all about race and racism.
>>
>> And how much electronic music culture coverage is based in europe, the
>> birthplace of imperialism and colonialism?  A lot.
>>
>> Music fans and writers should be more concerned about preserving and
>> protecting and respecting the culture that made this music.
>>
>> Why didn't they ask Cornelius Harris to narrate? Why didn't they ask John
>> Collins to narrate? That would be meaningful to artists and fans alike.
>>
>>
>>
>> Denise
>>
>>
>>
>> *Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.*
>> *ethnomusicologist*
>> *schoolcraftwax.work <http://schoolcraftwax.work>*
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 9:47 AM Jeff Davis 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Pretty sure most of you saw this already but I thought this short
>>> video did a good job encapsulating and contextualizing the concepts
>>> behind Drexciya.
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgG-QiChiA8
>>>
>>> includes a snippet from an Andrew Duke interview as well!!
>>>
>>>
>>> thanks,
>>>
>>> Jeffrey J Davis
>>>
>>> j...@jeffreyjdavis.com
>>>
>>> www.jeffreyjdavis.com
>>>
>>> 218.833.2847
>>>
>>

Re: New subscribers?

[Joe Marougi]

Are we doing interdictions?  If so;

Greetings.  My name is Joe Marougi and my artist name is Joe Babylon.

I founded the Plug Research label back in 1994 with my friend and dj
partner Allen Avanessian.

I used to hire Detroit artists to play at parties in Los Angeles back in
the mid 90’s as an attempt to create more awareness for the sound (plus I
was a big fan so I enjoyed it).

I started another (vinyl) label in 2010 called Roundabout Sounds and have
put out releases/tracks/remixes with the likes of Wilhite, Wade, Huck,
Grant and the last ever track from Aaron-Carl.

“I’m very happy to be here!” (said in Prince Akeem’s voice)



On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 7:49 AM kent williams 
wrote:

> I don't think that the answer to the questions Denise raised is feeling
> bad about being white.  My own answer is to try and be conscious about how
> being a white person (in the US or Germany or wherever) means that you
> don't experience what people of color (and minority cultures/communities in
> general) live with, day to day.  Being a good ally (and this goes for men
> with respect to women, LGBTQIA+ as well) means listening, not centering
> yourself in the discourse, and above all, not being a schmuck.
>
> The vitality of Detroit Techno (and this is also true of Jazz and Blues,
> also original art forms that originated with people of color) is that even
> as a music by and for black people, it is about an inclusive world, a
> vision of what the world could be.  Personally, as a big dumb white guy, I
> have always cherished the welcome I've gotten in Detroit.  Techno comes
> from people of color, and there's a whole political and cultural context
> for it, but it has never been exclusionary.  The strong connection between
> musicians in Detroit and Berlin is an example of how this works.  And even
> the most Afrocentric people in techno, like Underground Resistance, has
> never been about excluding white people.  Mad Mike is famous for taking
> visitors from overseas and giving them the full Detroit Pride tour.
>
> As for a white woman narrating the Drexciya video, that's pretty far down
> my list of what's problematic about it.  For better or (often) worse, RA is
> a bunch of white people selling dance music to white people. That is the
> context of that narrator's voice.
>
> The paradox of black cultural movements -- Techno, Hip Hop, Jazz, Blues
> etc -- is that it is dependent on the majority culture -- i.e. mostly white
> -- to support it, because they are the ones with the numbers money.
> Remaining true to that culture without diluting it is always a challenge,
> among all the other challenges to being an artist.
>
> And by blathering on in this forum, perhaps I'm violating my own
> prescription by centering myself.  So now I'll shut up.
>
> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 6:45 AM Ronny Pries (rktic) 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello new'- and old'sters.
>>
>> Was just wondering if I ever „properly" introduced myself here. Apart
>> from „Hi, I’m Ronny. I like Techno.“
>>
>> The recent Drexciya thread, articles and thoughts made me think. You
>> know, I’m a caucasian, born and raised around Hamburg/Germany. Hence my
>> personal experience of being a victim of racism is about zero. Then again,
>> being a german, you’ve got to reflect about these things. Imho.
>>
>> Crap, this is awkward. I have no concept about what it feels like to be
>> historically oppressed because of the color of skin. Neither was I raised
>> in economical circumstances as close as those found in Detroit. The weight
>> or burden of that combination I can at best try to imagine or feel. This is
>> a tough topic for a cultural ‚bystander‘ wanting to approach it in the most
>> respectful way possible.
>>
>> What I do have a personal experience with:
>> Living with Angst or anxiety if you will. Being risen to function,
>> showing good manners on the surface. Avoid looking inside by any means.
>> Getting a good whack of post-WW2 parenting.
>>
>> For long I thought Techno mainly appealed to me because my parents didn’t
>> get it. But that’s not an emotional response, right. What I found in Techno
>> was a strong sense of place. Where I was allowed to breathe, think and
>> feel. True freedom.
>>
>> So, I’m aware that if I say „I kinda get it“ it’s still lacking cultural
>> background. Yet, where can one draw a line? And can anyone relate at all?
>>
>> Just thinking out loud
>> Ronny
>>
>>
>>
>> Am 22.10.2018 um 03:08 schrieb Edward Thompson :
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> On Mon., 22 Oct. 2018, 10:51 am Aidan O'Doherty, <
>> aidan.b.odohe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Bloody hell, what's with all th

Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater

[Joe Marougi]

Wow Denise you must really be fun at parties.  What the hell are you
talking about?

That was an amazing video tribute to Drexciya and the “oppressive white
woman” was blowing them the whole time with mad props!?

Maybe you’re forgetting a few things:

- RA (or no one at all for that matter) are OBLIGATED to do anything in a
certain way.  Their money, their resources, their business. As long as it
was done with integrity and factual etc then there shouldn’t be a problem
with it.

- Apparenly they felt that the woman had the voice they wanted to lead the
video.  Umm, let’s see...maybe because the fucking AUDIENCE they target
look and sound like her??  And again, it’s their dime not yours or mine.

- Instead of being pumped that a documentary like this was released and
hopefully generated some more awareness for very well-deserved artists you
have to come in with your miserable take and try to shit on it.

- You’re the only racist here by saying that a white person can’t make
something about black people, especially when it’s geared towards MORE
white people (their audience).

- For fucks sake, this was a totally positive project and you’re trying to
make them out to be slave owners.  Are you jelly that you didn’t make it??

The only thing that sucks is if they used my man Andrew’s interview without
asking him, but that’s far from any sort of racial bias or angle.

That’s like someone starving being given food then complaining it isn’t
filet mignon.

Pathetic.



On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 7:06 AM Denise Dalphond 
wrote:

> I love Drexciya. And it's really cool to be able to hear from James
> Stinson still in 2018, thanks to Andrew Duke. And it's pretty amazing that
> Andrew Duke did that interview. It's a priceless artifact. I could go on!
>
> Resident Advisor didn't credit Andrew Duke when they first posted the
> video, and why is there a white woman's british voice narrating? It's off
> putting. They're using the voice of the colonizer to tell the story of
> brilliant, musical escape from enslavement and forced labor. Escape from
> the colonizer.
>
> Oh here goes Denise, making everything about race. But this actually all
> the way super duper is all about race and racism.
>
> And how much electronic music culture coverage is based in europe, the
> birthplace of imperialism and colonialism?  A lot.
>
> Music fans and writers should be more concerned about preserving and
> protecting and respecting the culture that made this music.
>
> Why didn't they ask Cornelius Harris to narrate? Why didn't they ask John
> Collins to narrate? That would be meaningful to artists and fans alike.
>
>
>
> Denise
>
>
>
> *Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.*
> *ethnomusicologist*
> *schoolcraftwax.work *
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 9:47 AM Jeff Davis  wrote:
>
>> Pretty sure most of you saw this already but I thought this short
>> video did a good job encapsulating and contextualizing the concepts
>> behind Drexciya.
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgG-QiChiA8
>>
>> includes a snippet from an Andrew Duke interview as well!!
>>
>>
>> thanks,
>>
>> Jeffrey J Davis
>>
>> j...@jeffreyjdavis.com
>>
>> www.jeffreyjdavis.com
>>
>> 218.833.2847
>>
>

Re: New (Old) Mills & Banks release

[Joe Marougi]

Sorry I meant label color. Black vinyl.

On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 2:49 PM John Sokolowski 
wrote:

> Purple? There are colored wax SIDs?
>
>
> On Aug 10, 2018, at 4:31 PM, Joe Marougi  wrote:
>
> Speaking of stupid money, I have the SID releases in case anyone is
> interested in offering me a fair price for them.  Sold the Drexciya
> (purple) one for $500 recently.
> I promise not to tell the group who I sold them to and for how much 
>
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 2:27 PM Mike Taylor 
> wrote:
>
>> I'm fairly certain that no copies of this are going to immediately wind
>> up on discogs for stupid money.
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 4:23 PM, Patrick Wacher 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> In-store release only now only if I can wrangle a flight over there
>>> ;)
>>>
>>>
>>> https://thevinylfactory.com/news/unreleased-under-ground-resistance-jeff-mills-mike-banks/
>>>
>>
>>

Re: New (Old) Mills & Banks release

[Joe Marougi]

Speaking of stupid money, I have the SID releases in case anyone is
interested in offering me a fair price for them.  Sold the Drexciya
(purple) one for $500 recently.
I promise not to tell the group who I sold them to and for how much 



On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 2:27 PM Mike Taylor  wrote:

> I'm fairly certain that no copies of this are going to immediately wind up
> on discogs for stupid money.
>
> On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 4:23 PM, Patrick Wacher  wrote:
>
>> In-store release only now only if I can wrangle a flight over there ;)
>>
>>
>> https://thevinylfactory.com/news/unreleased-under-ground-resistance-jeff-mills-mike-banks/
>>
>
>

Re: Female Producers

[Joe Marougi]

Plus she's cute too as is Peggy Gou from Korea.

Go ahead and flame me now for "objectifying her" like a sexist pig :-)

On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 1:52 PM Joe Marougi <jmaro...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Yes I mentioned her in my submission. She's damn good.
>
> On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 1:51 PM Peter Bense <textur...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Well, while we're at it... Cinthie on/of Modus Bestus
>> <https://soundcloud.com/cinthie> is one of the best damn ("new") house
>> DJs I've heard in years.
>>
>> She's prolific and her label has released a lot of good titles.  First
>> discovered her on her Boiler Room set
>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEIxh3KWwyI>.  Runs a rather active
>> label.
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 1:46 PM, Holly MacDonald-Korth <
>> hko...@jwkorth.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The simple fact that it is hard for anyone here to name more than a
>>> handful of female producers is, in itself, a reason to mention them.
>>> Clearly, the music should be judged for itself, but in an ecosystem that is
>>> 95% (guessing here) male, there is indeed some merit in just identifying
>>> female producers in order to hold them up, track down their music, and
>>> judge for oneself whether it is worthy of praise independent of the context
>>> of the maker.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> However, the fact is that most music  cannot be judged independent of
>>> the identity of the maker. Techno is unique in that respect since it is
>>> largely visually anonymous and devoid of vocals. I proffer that from a male
>>> perspective it seems easy to say “just get over it and judge the music
>>> based on the music” but that does not take into account the possible
>>> reasons for wanting to listen to and seeking out female produced music, and
>>> the possible systemic challenges women and girls face both in learning to
>>> produce music and getting it published and distributed.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> (I’m couching this with “possible” here because I’m LONG out of the
>>> scene and the internet has changed a lot. But I don’t think it’s changed
>>> many ingrained attitudes and knee-jerk reactions….)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Peter Bense [mailto:textur...@gmail.com]
>>> *Sent:* Friday, August 18, 2017 4:30 PM
>>> *To:* Holly MacDonald-Korth
>>> *Cc:* denisedalph...@gmail.com; christiaan76; Cole Evelev; Matthew
>>> Kane; kent williams; Aidan O'Doherty; Marsel van der Wielen; list 313;
>>> Suzanne Heinrichs; 3...@coke-smyth.net
>>> *Subject:* Re: Female Producers
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Have any of you ever attended those electronic music events events with
>>> *exclusively* female artists?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I have.  And in a lot of cases it seemed really awkward -- like the
>>> reason they were selected as performers was due to their sex/gender over
>>> their accomplishments as a performer/musician.  (To say nothing of the male
>>> patrons weirdly 'gawking' over them, which is also super creepy.  A
>>> separate issue unto itself.)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So here we are listing out producers/djs, etc. and not discussing their
>>> works or what makes them good (maybe one or two have, but most replies
>>> haven't).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> That turns this into an ad-hoc roll call.  Which again sort of reminds
>>> of those types of events I just mentioned.  To what end?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> How about indicate what makes them interesting to mention here, aside
>>> from their sex/gender?  That would seem like a more favorable way to
>>> approach this discussion, while crediting them appropriately.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 12:40 PM, Holly MacDonald-Korth <
>>> hko...@jwkorth.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Exactly.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* denisedalph...@gmail.com [mailto:denisedalph...@gmail.com]
>>> *Sent:* Friday, August 18, 2017 3:27 PM
>>> *To:* christiaan76
>>> *Cc:* Peter Bense; Cole Evelev; Matthew Kane; kent williams; Aidan
>>> O'Doherty; Marsel van der Wielen; list 313; Suzanne Heinrichs;
>>> 3...@coke-smyth.net
>>> *Subject:* Re: Female Producers
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The only way gender will be gotten over is when sexism, homophobia, and
>>> transphobia are done. I love this thread.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 18, 2017, at 15:21, christiaan76 <gotrecord...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> exactly.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 18, 2017, at 21:09, Peter Bense <textur...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> More generally: why is this gender thing so important?  Can't we get
>>> over it already..
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 10:16 AM, Cole Evelev <cole.eve...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Sorry about that. This is who I was referencing.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.discogs.com/Powder-H/release/9983256
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>

Re: Female Producers

[Joe Marougi]

Yes I mentioned her in my submission. She's damn good.

On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 1:51 PM Peter Bense  wrote:

> Well, while we're at it... Cinthie on/of Modus Bestus
>  is one of the best damn ("new") house
> DJs I've heard in years.
>
> She's prolific and her label has released a lot of good titles.  First
> discovered her on her Boiler Room set
> .  Runs a rather active
> label.
>
> On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 1:46 PM, Holly MacDonald-Korth  > wrote:
>
>> The simple fact that it is hard for anyone here to name more than a
>> handful of female producers is, in itself, a reason to mention them.
>> Clearly, the music should be judged for itself, but in an ecosystem that is
>> 95% (guessing here) male, there is indeed some merit in just identifying
>> female producers in order to hold them up, track down their music, and
>> judge for oneself whether it is worthy of praise independent of the context
>> of the maker.
>>
>>
>>
>> However, the fact is that most music  cannot be judged independent of the
>> identity of the maker. Techno is unique in that respect since it is largely
>> visually anonymous and devoid of vocals. I proffer that from a male
>> perspective it seems easy to say “just get over it and judge the music
>> based on the music” but that does not take into account the possible
>> reasons for wanting to listen to and seeking out female produced music, and
>> the possible systemic challenges women and girls face both in learning to
>> produce music and getting it published and distributed.
>>
>>
>>
>> (I’m couching this with “possible” here because I’m LONG out of the scene
>> and the internet has changed a lot. But I don’t think it’s changed many
>> ingrained attitudes and knee-jerk reactions….)
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Peter Bense [mailto:textur...@gmail.com]
>> *Sent:* Friday, August 18, 2017 4:30 PM
>> *To:* Holly MacDonald-Korth
>> *Cc:* denisedalph...@gmail.com; christiaan76; Cole Evelev; Matthew Kane;
>> kent williams; Aidan O'Doherty; Marsel van der Wielen; list 313; Suzanne
>> Heinrichs; 3...@coke-smyth.net
>> *Subject:* Re: Female Producers
>>
>>
>>
>> Have any of you ever attended those electronic music events events with
>> *exclusively* female artists?
>>
>>
>>
>> I have.  And in a lot of cases it seemed really awkward -- like the
>> reason they were selected as performers was due to their sex/gender over
>> their accomplishments as a performer/musician.  (To say nothing of the male
>> patrons weirdly 'gawking' over them, which is also super creepy.  A
>> separate issue unto itself.)
>>
>>
>>
>> So here we are listing out producers/djs, etc. and not discussing their
>> works or what makes them good (maybe one or two have, but most replies
>> haven't).
>>
>>
>>
>> That turns this into an ad-hoc roll call.  Which again sort of reminds of
>> those types of events I just mentioned.  To what end?
>>
>>
>>
>> How about indicate what makes them interesting to mention here, aside
>> from their sex/gender?  That would seem like a more favorable way to
>> approach this discussion, while crediting them appropriately.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 12:40 PM, Holly MacDonald-Korth <
>> hko...@jwkorth.com> wrote:
>>
>> Exactly.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* denisedalph...@gmail.com [mailto:denisedalph...@gmail.com]
>> *Sent:* Friday, August 18, 2017 3:27 PM
>> *To:* christiaan76
>> *Cc:* Peter Bense; Cole Evelev; Matthew Kane; kent williams; Aidan
>> O'Doherty; Marsel van der Wielen; list 313; Suzanne Heinrichs;
>> 3...@coke-smyth.net
>> *Subject:* Re: Female Producers
>>
>>
>>
>> The only way gender will be gotten over is when sexism, homophobia, and
>> transphobia are done. I love this thread.
>>
>>
>> On Aug 18, 2017, at 15:21, christiaan76  wrote:
>>
>> exactly.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>> On Aug 18, 2017, at 21:09, Peter Bense  wrote:
>>
>> More generally: why is this gender thing so important?  Can't we get over
>> it already..
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 10:16 AM, Cole Evelev 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Sorry about that. This is who I was referencing.
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.discogs.com/Powder-H/release/9983256
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: Female Producers

[Joe Marougi]

I don't think it's anything to "get over with".  Just a question about
producers that happen to be female.

Sensitive Sally's everywhere...

On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 12:09 PM Peter Bense  wrote:

> More generally: why is this gender thing so important?  Can't we get over
> it already..
>
> On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 10:16 AM, Cole Evelev 
> wrote:
>
>> Sorry about that. This is who I was referencing.
>>
>> https://www.discogs.com/Powder-H/release/9983256
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>
>

Re: Female Producers

[Joe Marougi]

313 producers only?

If not, Peggy Gou and Cinthie Crystal.



On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 8:02 AM Kevin Kennedy  wrote:

> Patricia Wolf,  formerly of the group Soft Metals... Also Noncompliant,
>  aka Lisa Smith... And also Dr. Melissa Sleep...
>
> On Aug 18, 2017 5:37 AM, "Marsel van der Wielen" 
> wrote:
>
> no, that's a boy
>
> :-)
>
>
> Op 18-Aug-17 om 10:43 schreef 3...@coke-smyth.net:
>
> Can I also add Fatima Yamaha?
>>
>> C
>>
>> On 2017-08-17 20:55, kent williams wrote:
>>
>>> Karen Gwyer! Laurel Halo.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 2:50 PM kent williams 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Jana Rush
 JLin
 Annika Winkler

 On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 4:38 AM <3...@coke-smyth.net> wrote:

 Cooly G
> DJ Genesis
> Jenifa Mananja
>
> Anyone else to be scoping...?
>
> cheers
>
> C
>

>>
>
>

Re: A: Jacktone Radio guest mix

[Joe Marougi]

I don't know a thing about this particular record or artist. It just reminded 
me of the point I brought up.  If there's no relevance then by all means carry 
on ;)

Sent from my iPhone, may include typoes. 

> On Sep 17, 2016, at 12:21 PM, Eamonn Doyle <d...@d1.ie> wrote:
> 
> 
> Who’s persona in particular are you suggesting he’s ripping off ?  
> 
> Or are you suggesting that he’s somehow cashing in on the long tradition of 
> half Japanese / half Turkish female electro producers ?
> 
> E - D1
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 17 Sep 2016, at 19:40, Joe Marougi <jmaro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> So when is it ok to misrepresent yourself or juice off another's persona?  
>> Where is the line that separates us being dicks to call it out them being 
>> douches for doing it?
>> 
>> Examples that come to mind:
>> Moodymanc
>> Detroit Swindle 
>> What Oliver $ did
>> Detroit Soul 
>> The vocal sample in Los Picaros by Fabrice Lig
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone, may include typoes. 
>> 
>>> On Sep 17, 2016, at 9:49 AM, Eamonn Doyle <d...@d1.ie> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I can't think of any good reason for a European male to otherise 
>>>> themselves and present as a minority woman.  Why? This is exoticizing the 
>>>> other, plain and simple.  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> What about an African male / South American male ? Japanese male ? He is 
>>> Dutch - Surinamese as it happens.  A minority woman ? Where ? In whose eyes 
>>> ? 
>>> 
>>> Eamonn / D1
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> There is already a dearth of actual women and minorities in the music 
>>>> game, the last thing we need is dudes pretending to be them.  I'm sure 
>>>> he's a super nice guy, but it's beside the point.  
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sat, Sep 17, 2016 at 12:06 PM, Eamonn Doyle <d...@d1.ie> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> > On 17 Sep 2016, at 16:55, Arturo Lopez <arturo.m.lo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > It's my understanding this is a Dutch male recording as a woman?, 
>>>>> > bringing in orientalist nonsense and 'exotic' flavorings for no reason.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> How do you know it was for no reason ?
>>>>> 
>>>>> He’s not a wanker actually.
>>>>> 
>>>>> FYI -  'What’s a girl to do' was originally released by us on D1 
>>>>> Recordings in 2004.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Eamonn / D1
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
> 

Re: A: Jacktone Radio guest mix

[Joe Marougi]

So when is it ok to misrepresent yourself or juice off another's persona?  
Where is the line that separates us being dicks to call it out them being 
douches for doing it?

Examples that come to mind:
Moodymanc
Detroit Swindle 
What Oliver $ did
Detroit Soul 
The vocal sample in Los Picaros by Fabrice Lig

Sent from my iPhone, may include typoes. 

> On Sep 17, 2016, at 9:49 AM, Eamonn Doyle  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> I can't think of any good reason for a European male to otherise themselves 
>> and present as a minority woman.  Why? This is exoticizing the other, plain 
>> and simple.  
> 
> 
> What about an African male / South American male ? Japanese male ? He is 
> Dutch - Surinamese as it happens.  A minority woman ? Where ? In whose eyes ? 
> 
> Eamonn / D1
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> 
>> There is already a dearth of actual women and minorities in the music game, 
>> the last thing we need is dudes pretending to be them.  I'm sure he's a 
>> super nice guy, but it's beside the point.  
>> 
>>> On Sat, Sep 17, 2016 at 12:06 PM, Eamonn Doyle  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> > On 17 Sep 2016, at 16:55, Arturo Lopez  wrote:
>>> >
>>> > It's my understanding this is a Dutch male recording as a woman?, 
>>> > bringing in orientalist nonsense and 'exotic' flavorings for no reason.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> How do you know it was for no reason ?
>>> 
>>> He’s not a wanker actually.
>>> 
>>> FYI -  'What’s a girl to do' was originally released by us on D1 Recordings 
>>> in 2004.
>>> 
>>> Eamonn / D1
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
> 

Re: New Orlando Voorn Record

[Joe Marougi]

Yeah been digging his stuff lately (obviously) :-)

His track was my favorite one on the recent compilation Wilhite put out:

http://www.juno.co.uk/miniflashplayer/SF531347-01-04-01.mp3

Joe 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 25, 2016, at 9:00 PM, kent williams <chaircrus...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Not to steal Joe's thunder, but he has a track on the Andreas Gehm benefit 
> comp we're putting together that's pretty dope.
> https://compforandreasgehm.bandcamp.com/track/sonic-fusion-orchestra
> 
>> On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 10:32 PM Joe Marougi <jmaro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi guys,
>> 
>> Apologies for this not being directly linked to Detroit but wouldn't most 
>> agree that Mr Voorn would at least deserve an honorary mention? :)
>> 
>> His record on my label just dropped this week. Hope you enjoy it:
>> 
>> http://www.juno.co.uk/products/orlando-voorn-muzik-is-life-ep/589614-01/
>> 
>> Best,
>> Joe
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone

New Orlando Voorn Record

[Joe Marougi]

Hi guys,

Apologies for this not being directly linked to Detroit but wouldn't most agree 
that Mr Voorn would at least deserve an honorary mention? :)

His record on my label just dropped this week. Hope you enjoy it:

http://www.juno.co.uk/products/orlando-voorn-muzik-is-life-ep/589614-01/

Best,
Joe

Sent from my iPhone

Re: New Google Play Music

[Joe Marougi]

Check out the surpise thumbnail there when you pull up Theo Parrish radio :P

On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 7:40 AM, Gil Yaker gya...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Does anyone know the bitrate of these Google Play Stations? i.e. will it
 blow through my data plan when I drive to the next state this afternoon?

 thanks,
 -Gil



 
 From: Jeff Davis j...@jeffreyjdavis.com
 To: Idm List i...@hyperreal.org; list 313 313@hyperreal.org
 Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2015 12:29 PM
 Subject: New Google Play Music

 New Google Play Music Free is pretty kick ass.  I'm amazed at the
 depth of their non-major label artists and if you spend 3 minutes
 clicking off artists you like (make sure you go through 8 or 9 pages
 to get down to the underground stuff), the selections they
 automatically select for you are spot on

 https://play.google.com/music/r/m/Aq7euousv7ibk7peckiambxcsfi?t=Basic_Channel



 thanks,

 Jeffrey J Davis

 j...@jeffreyjdavis.com

 www.jeffreyjdavis.com

 218.833.2847

New EP with D Wynn Remix

[Joe Marougi]

Greetings Three one Three-ers,

Some of you may have noticed that D Wynn is making a comeback.  As a
fan of his sound, I asked him for a couple of remixes (one on a
previous Rondenion double 12).  The latest one will be released at
the end of this month, available on Juno (vinyl only).  It's an EP
from a Japanese artist on the come up, Kensuke Fukushima:

https://soundcloud.com/roundabout-sounds/sets/rso13-waltz-for-dubby-ep-by-kensuke-fukushima-includes-remix-by-d-wynn

I don't have vinyl copies for sale (I only keep a limited supply that
I send out to DJ's whom I want to have it) but if you're nice I may
send you digi masters if you promise to keep them to yourself.  It's
the least I can do for such shameless plugs on this list ;)

Thanks,
Joe

Re: Minto George in the mix

[Joe Marougi]

Nice!  Looking fwd to it...

Sent from my iPhone

 On Mar 21, 2015, at 10:19 AM, Andrew Duke andrewdukecognit...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 https://soundcloud.com/andrewdukecognitionaudio/2913-andrew-duke-in-the-mix
  
 
 Down Low Music is being relaunched! So stoked. Here's a mix Minto George did 
 for the show back in 2008 that still sounds fresh. 
 Available to download or stream. 
 
 Andrew
 
 
 -- 
 http://andrewdukeinthemix.com
 
 
 

#1 on Decks.de chart and free to list members ;)

[Joe Marougi]

Hi guys,

Didn't include any D artists on this release, but those who know my
label know that I've had a good number of them in the past.

This is a vinyl only release, but to celebrate I'll be happy to hook
up anyone that's interested here on this list with mastered WAV's:

http://www.decks.de/decks-sess/workfloor/charts/buzz.php?wo=honnow_Sub=zznow_Was=now_Date=aktuell=0

Soundcloud Preview:
https://soundcloud.com/roundabout-sounds/sets/rs012i-preview

Re: Surgeon opening for Lady Gaga

[Joe Marougi]

She's definitely talented:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laIr_d0hFB8



On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 2:18 PM, jwan allen jwan.al...@gmail.com wrote:
 Tony is getting that money! Full disclosure, I've seen them both live.

 On Nov 13, 2014 5:08 PM, kent williams chaircrus...@gmail.com wrote:

 The endtimes have begun!
 http://instagram.com/p/vWliZZJFIM/

Re: japan

[Joe Marougi]

Personally my favorite is Rondenion. He has his own label (Ragrange) and I put 
out his first full length LP as well as a couple of EP's. 

Good mpc type sound, kinda like the KDJ of Japan IMO:

http://youtu.be/C50Lg1o95lw

http://youtu.be/KRNMUzN8jGE

Joe

Sent from my iPhone

 On Aug 10, 2014, at 8:01 AM, jrsokolow...@hotmail.com 
 jrsokolow...@hotmail.com wrote:
 
 Itokim's new one, Subject Japan, on Subject Detroit is pretty hot. Especially 
 Motechnique.
 
 - Reply message -
 From: David Powers cybo...@gmail.com
 To: Hans Hans sepias...@yahoo.com
 Cc: 313@hyperreal.org 313@hyperreal.org
 Subject: japan
 Date: Sun, Aug 10, 2014 8:18 AM
 
 
 As far as Japanese producers, I have been digging on what Fumiya Tanaka has 
 been doing lately.
 
 I know Annie Hall (Detroit Underground label) just played at Dommune, looked 
 really fun.
 
 ~David
 
 
 On Sat, Aug 9, 2014 at 5:40 AM, Hans Hans sepias...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Dear 808,
 
 happy anniversary. I'm heading over to Japan for a while. Do you have any 
 particular locations to recommend that might play good stuff? I'm not only 
 looking for clubs but bars or venues in general. Furthermore, I'm interested 
 in record  fashion labels... Basically, anything that might be considered 
 'real' subculture (not only the looks!). I checked out a couple of sets 
 recorded in Japan. So far, what I deemed interesting is:
 
 Club Dommune, Record Store Jazzy Sport... 
 
 Oh and if you know any Japanese producers  DJs I'm keen to have a listen, 
 too. 
 
 Cheers! 
 

Re: Japan

[Joe Marougi]

Also check out  Kensuke Fukushima, No Milk, Kez YM and Hokuto Sato. 


Sent from my iPhone

 On Aug 10, 2014, at 9:35 AM, Patrick Wacher pwac...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I've spent way too much money at DiskUnion in Tokyo, great selection of 
 records, both new and used. 
 
 - Patrick. 
 
 
 On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 9:32 AM, ka...@yore-records.com 
 ka...@yore-records.com wrote:
 
 Totally agree on Rondenion. Great Stuff, indeed. There's a Rondenion and his 
 Ragrange Symphony feature on Dommune, with English Subitles (to be turned on 
 manually by using the Subtitles Icon below the Video) here: 
 
 http://vimeo.com/97139749 
 
 
 Cheers.
 

Re: A Moodymix

[Joe Marougi]

Looking fwd to hearing it. 

Sent from my iPhone

 On May 8, 2014, at 3:14 PM, Paul Wise placid...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I don't have a lot of Moodymann stuff but I the stuff I do have is
 next to the decks and always on heavy rotation. Thought I'd put
 together a little mix of my favourite cuts. A few 3 Chairs thrown in
 for good measure and An MM remix.
 
 You can hear the result here - https://soundcloud.com/placid_88/moodymixx
 
 As always, done on 2 x technics in one hit

(313) Podcast Mix

[Joe Marougi]

Greetings,


Latest installment of my 'once in a great while' podcast mixes, this
time for the Slow Town cats in Madrid.  Includes Omar S, Moodymann,
Unknown Deetroit, Rick Wade and morehope u enjoy:

https://soundcloud.com/roundabout-sounds/slow-town-podcast-mix

Cheers,
Joe

Re: (313) Upcoming Double 12 with Mike Grant and D Wynn mixes

[Joe Marougi]

Wow really?

If you wouldn't mind, could u please ask them if they ever carried it or even 
knew about it?   I will gladly send u a copy for free if you were to do that 
and let me know which shops they were. 

Thank you!
Joe 

Sent from my iPhone

 On Jan 5, 2014, at 3:25 AM, Lerato Khati 
 booki...@uzuriartistbookingsandmanagement.com wrote:
 
 great !
 what happened to the rondenion album though ?
 is it out now . never saw it in most shops in germany
 cheers
 lerato
 
 
 On 4 January 2014 21:51, Andrew Duke andrewdukecognit...@gmail.com wrote:
 Sounds great, Joe.
 
 http://andrewdukeinthemix.com
 
 
 
 
 On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 2:55 PM, Joe Marougi jmaro...@gmail.com wrote:
 Greetings,
 
 Gonna be putting this out (hopefully next month, barring any delays
 from the pressing plant in Berlin etc).
 
 US distribution is almost non-existent so feel free to hit me directly
 if you'd like a copy:
 
 https://soundcloud.com/roundabout-sounds/rondenion-2-5-1-ep-soundcloud
 
 
 Thanks,
 Joe
 
 
 
 -- 
 
 Lerato Khathi
 http://uzurirecordings.com
 http://uzuriartistbookingsandmanagement.com
 http://soundcloud.com/uzuri
 Skype : Lakuti

(313) Upcoming Double 12 with Mike Grant and D Wynn mixes

[Joe Marougi]

Greetings,

Gonna be putting this out (hopefully next month, barring any delays
from the pressing plant in Berlin etc).

US distribution is almost non-existent so feel free to hit me directly
if you'd like a copy:

https://soundcloud.com/roundabout-sounds/rondenion-2-5-1-ep-soundcloud


Thanks,
Joe

Re: (313) pertin-nce_046 - emmanuel buchanan - resort vacations - free DL

[Joe Marougi]

Ok fair enough guys,

Of course I don't make the rules  but was just asking what others thought.  I 
guess this would also open the door for anyone to post anything as long as 
they're familiar with Detroit artists/sound or feel that what they are 
sharing sounds like it too etc which I thought may be going a but too far 
with it.  

If that's the case then an argument could be made for a high percentage of 
dance music out there (since it's so subjective), could it not? ;)

Joe

Sent from my iPhone

 On Dec 19, 2013, at 3:54 AM, Steve stev...@k-os.net wrote:
 
 Me too! The dub techno influence is also associated with Detroit, isn't it? I 
 was thinking of Deepchord anyway.
 
 
 On 19 December 2013 11:48,  maxphi...@gmail.com wrote:
 I welcome Pertin-nce's posts and announcements ^___^
 
 m50
 
 
 
 At 2013-12-19 05:40, Steve wrote:
 I've followed the list for a lot more time than I've been making music. 
 It's an origin of some music I am very interested in. If it were just about 
 any kind of music from Detroit-based artists (of all kinds of music I mean) 
 I wouldn't be following it. My feeling is that this is a list with respect 
 to those roots. People of Detroit have a privilege in having a strong 
 localised and unique music history. I read the Techno Rebels book. I 
 appreciate that there is a lot of house music and soulful music enthusiasts 
 on the list too. It's not about one particular style or another. There's 
 Detroit music in the DNA. I think luminaries from Detroit and like-minded 
 people around the world continue to follow the list. The spirit lives on.
 
 I identify with Detroit/313. Does that count? :)
 
 
 On 18 December 2013 21:52, Joe Marougi 
 mailto:jmaro...@gmail.comjmaro...@gmail.com wrote:
 Question to the group,
 
 Shouldn't we stick to Detroit related artists/news only here?
 I vote yes.
 
 My apologies if any of the artists or label in that message are from 
 Detroit.
 
 Joe
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Dec 18, 2013, at 1:05 PM, max tanguay 
 mailto:maxb...@yahoo.commaxb...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 label : pertin-nce
 catalogue number : [pertin-nce_046]
 artist : emmanuel buchanan
 title : resort vacations
 
 track listing:
 1- a year of weirds
 2- so low
 3- 67 castles
 4- got no tatoos
 5- so low part 2
 6- a year of weirds (hemiptera remix)
 7- so low (extended version)
 
 sounds like : techno, minimal
 
 stream  free download on:
 
 http://www.pertin-nce.cawww.pertin-nce.ca
 www.pertin-nce.bandcamp.com
 
 peace out!
 
 net label : http://pertin-nce.capertin-nce.ca
 me : http://soundcloud.com/bleupulpsoundcloud.com/bleupulp
 

Re: (313) pertin-nce_046 - emmanuel buchanan - resort vacations - free DL

[Joe Marougi]

All good, and you're still too nice ;)

I guess I wouldn't mind the occasional off topic (for lack of a
better term) but the frequency of those posts prompted me to send out
that initial message.  I totally don't mind radio silence once 'cause
if there's nothing to say then so be it.  I'm sure we all have other
things to keep us occupied in the meantime.

Back on topic, here's a feature for top 2013 tracks from Inverted
Audio.  They called upon some artists/labels to submit their favorites
of 2013, including yours truly.  Some good 313 stuff here:

http://www.inverted-audio.com/top-tracks-2013/

Thanks,
Joe

On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 2:24 PM, Brian Prince balis...@bprince.com wrote:
 I guess, to me, this list is already waning pretty severely. Banning artists
 and labels not from Detroit would be akin to pulling the plug on it
 altogether. You'd get the annual complain about DEMF thread and that's
 about it (not that those aren't entertaining).


 I would *love* to hear more impressions of new Detroit releases though. My
 record-buying budget at age 33 is not what it was when I was 23 and single,
 so I end up missing a lot of worthy material.


 Just to get under Joe's skin a little (hey, you did say I was too nice a
 while back :-p), my 13-track LP of Reno/Atlanta/Los Angeles-techno is now
 only $5 to download ($8 for CD). Terry Mitchell of Timeline Music gave it a
 very kind review here:
 http://theelectricunderground.net/eltel/wordpress/?p=10773


 Happy holidays, all.


 --
 Brian Prince
 http://brianprince.bandcamp.com
 http://www.bprince.com

Re: (313) pertin-nce_046 - emmanuel buchanan - resort vacations - free DL

[Joe Marougi]

Question to the group,

Shouldn't we stick to Detroit related artists/news only here?   
I vote yes. 

My apologies if any of the artists or label in that message are from Detroit. 

Joe


Sent from my iPhone

 On Dec 18, 2013, at 1:05 PM, max tanguay maxb...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 label : pertin-nce
 catalogue number : [pertin-nce_046] 
 artist : emmanuel buchanan
 title : resort vacations
 
 track listing:
 1- a year of weirds
 2- so low
 3- 67 castles
 4- got no tatoos
 5- so low part 2
 6- a year of weirds (hemiptera remix)
 7- so low (extended version)
 
 sounds like : techno, minimal
 
 stream  free download on:
 
 www.pertin-nce.ca
 www.pertin-nce.bandcamp.com
 
 peace out!
  
 net label : pertin-nce.ca
 me : soundcloud.com/bleupulp

(313) Podcast and Upcoming Parties in Detroit

[Joe Marougi]

'Sup,

Just wanted to throw a new podcast mix I did for some cats in Tokyo out
there if anyone's interested...includes a track from Rondenion's upcoming
debut LP plus of course plenty of Detroit flava':

https://soundcloud.com/roundabout-sounds/fasten-musique-podcast


I'm also gonna be in the D at the end of the month for a couple parties
(8/29 and 8/30) so it would be cool to meet any listers there (details to
follow once the flyers/facebook events have been published).

Thanks,
J

Re: (313) The House Sound of Detroit

[Joe Marougi]

Cool, thanks for sharing...

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 7, 2013, at 11:57 PM, Placid pla...@acid-house.net wrote:

 The House Sound of Detroit
 
 https://soundcloud.com/placid_88/the-house-sound-of-detroit
 
 Hot off the press.. so to speak..well hot off my decks
 
 Thought id throw together some of the not so technoey tracks to come out of 
 Detroit.
 
 Tracks by Norm Talley, Delano Smith, Daniel Bell, Patrice Scott, Keith 
 Worthy, Kenny Dixon, Theo Parrish, Kai Alce, Mike Huckaby, Kyle Hall, 
 Marcellus Pittman, Omar S, Randolph
 
 Done in one hit on 2 x Technics 1210s.
 
 p

Re: (313) pertin-nce blog update - new releases, dj mixes, live pa, etc

[Joe Marougi]

Anyone of those acts from the 313?

;-)





On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 7:36 AM, max tanguay maxb...@yahoo.com wrote:
 so i finally updated the pertin-nce blog
 you'll find many free net releases, dj mixes  live pa
 (techno, house, dub tech, electronic, ambient, experimental and so on...)

 featuring :

 new  free releases by:

 elektrosandy
 hemipera
 arbee
 bleupulp
 mr bios
 revy
 CCCLTD (v/a compilation)
 storlon  qantiem
 erich schall
 spiel:feld (v/a compilation)
 mike blackmore
 haze (v/a compilation)

 dj mixes  live pa's by:

 kane roth
 s/h/a/p/e
 chaircrusher
 naw
 zergon
 nicolas jaar
 minilogue
 bleupulp
 tim morrison
 helly larson

 check out at :
 http://pertin-nce.blogspot.ca/2013/07/new-releases-dj-mixes-friends-free-music.html

 net label : pertin-nce.ca
 me : soundcloud.com/bleupulp

Re: (313) Brian Prince The Accretion Disc LP

[Joe Marougi]

You're too polite Brian ;)

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 5, 2013, at 8:15 PM, Brian Prince balis...@bprince.com wrote:

 313'ers,
 
 May I humbly submit an LP for your consideration?
 
 http://brianprince.bandcamp.com/
 
 The Accretion Disc is a compilation of 13 of my favorite tracks from the 
 past 13 years. Three of them have been released previously on Fabrice Lig's 
 Melodika label (and two were signed to Digital Soul without being released), 
 but most of the material here is on sale for the first time, and everything 
 has received additional mastering and editing for the album. The price of the 
 download version is pay-what-you-want, starting at $6 (US), and 313 list 
 members can use the following discount code for an extra 10% off: 313represent
 
 If you don't like how Bandcamp handles streaming previews, there's also a 
 ten-minute sampler -- with bits of each track -- up on my Soundcloud:
 
 https://soundcloud.com/brianprince/the-accretion-disc-lp-sampler
 
 Huge thanks to Mr. Andrew Duke for giving the newest track on the album, 
 Barycenter, a spin on his latest show. 
 
 And thanks all around being such a supportive community over the years. 
 
 Hope you enjoy the tunes, and sorry for the spam,
 
 --
 Brian Prince
 http://brianprince.bandcamp.com
 http://www.bprince.com
 

(313) Digital Version out Tuesday

[Joe Marougi]

Yo,

Soul Desire EP by Rondenion with remixes by Rick Wilhite, Baaz and yours truly:

https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/soul-desire-e.p./id668275773

Thanks,
Joe

Sent from my iPhone

Re: (313) Received a new demo today (says he's from Detroit?

[Joe Marougi]

Aw come on Ken, seriously?

Fuck that...my man Kevin, I'm gonna get you that acapella bro.  I'm even 
thinking of sending him a roundabout tshirt to record his video in. 

Stay tuned.  

Joe

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 21, 2013, at 8:45 PM, Odeluga, Ken ken.odel...@dowjones.com wrote:

 This is actually not cool folks.
 How about dropping it?
 It's probably enough to decide that the guy's track is not very well done [or 
 not to your taste] and to leave it at that.
 
 K
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Joe Marougi [mailto:jmaro...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 06:42 PM
 To: Patrick Wacher pwac...@gmail.com
 Cc: 313@hyperreal.org 313@hyperreal.org
 Subject: Re: (313) Received a new demo today (says he's from Detroit?
 
 Well, let's see...I just asked him to make a video
 
 On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 8:46 AM, Patrick Wacher pwac...@gmail.com wrote:
 It's a slow burner!
 
 
 On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 11:08 PM, Ronny Pries r...@rohformat.de wrote:
 
 Wow. The last time i listened to a track which sounded like 3 that weren't
 matched at all i was actually listening to Autechre live. But it was sort
 of different?
 
 Hilarious! Made my day.
 
 Am 20.06.2013 um 22:48 schrieb Joe Marougi jmaro...@gmail.com:
 
 He's looking for a label but my schedule is full, any takers?
 
 http://prasanthakurathi.bandcamp.com/
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 

Re: (313) Received a new demo today (says he's from Detroit?

[Joe Marougi]

Well, let's see...I just asked him to make a video

On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 8:46 AM, Patrick Wacher pwac...@gmail.com wrote:
 It's a slow burner!


 On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 11:08 PM, Ronny Pries r...@rohformat.de wrote:

 Wow. The last time i listened to a track which sounded like 3 that weren't
 matched at all i was actually listening to Autechre live. But it was sort
 of different?

 Hilarious! Made my day.

 Am 20.06.2013 um 22:48 schrieb Joe Marougi jmaro...@gmail.com:

 He's looking for a label but my schedule is full, any takers?

 http://prasanthakurathi.bandcamp.com/


 Sent from my iPhone

Re: (313) Received a new demo today (says he's from Detroit?

[Joe Marougi]

Yeah I noticed!  Can't wait to see the one he said he was gonna make for me.  
I'm just trying to decide whether I want Wilhite or Delano to remix it ;)

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 21, 2013, at 12:31 PM, James Fisher james_fis...@mac.com wrote:

 He has a stunning video over on YouTube 
 
 J
 
 On 21 Jun 2013, at 18:42, Joe Marougi jmaro...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Well, let's see...I just asked him to make a video
 
 On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 8:46 AM, Patrick Wacher pwac...@gmail.com wrote:
 It's a slow burner!
 
 
 On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 11:08 PM, Ronny Pries r...@rohformat.de wrote:
 
 Wow. The last time i listened to a track which sounded like 3 that weren't
 matched at all i was actually listening to Autechre live. But it was sort
 of different?
 
 Hilarious! Made my day.
 
 Am 20.06.2013 um 22:48 schrieb Joe Marougi jmaro...@gmail.com:
 
 He's looking for a label but my schedule is full, any takers?
 
 http://prasanthakurathi.bandcamp.com/
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 

(313) Received a new demo today (says he's from Detroit?

[Joe Marougi]

He's looking for a label but my schedule is full, any takers?

http://prasanthakurathi.bandcamp.com/


Sent from my iPhone

(313) Not directly 313 related but possibly of interest? Free Download ;)

[Joe Marougi]

Hi guys,

Free download of Assemblage by Rondenion (Tokyo).  Taken from his
upcoming full-length debut LP on Roundabout Sounds (vinyl) and Plug
Research (digital).

http://www.plugresearch.com/2013/06/rondenion-_-assemblage/


Thanks!
Joe

Re: (313) 313 flavoured mix

[Joe Marougi]

Dope bro, thanks!


On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 2:47 AM, Andrew Green mr.verd...@gmail.com wrote:

 All,


 My last recording  mix is a deep house affair with its fair share of D
 tracks and labels.  Its my pleasure to share it with you all.  Enjoy!

 Black Crack

 Hanna (Sound Signature)
 Kai Alce (NDATL)
 Norm Talley (Real Sounds /Connecting The Compass Compilation)
 Chicago Skyway (Praterei)
 Suburb (Real Sounds /Connecting The Compass Compilation)
 Drivetrain (Soiree International)
 Brawther (Balance)
 Qu (Strength Music)
 RE (Clubhouse)
 Damien Zala (Rowtag)
 Ike Release(Contrast Wax)
 Brad Peterson (Moods  Grooves)
 BJC (Soul People Music)
 Aybee (Deepblak)

 https://soundcloud.com/verdant-recordings/black-crack

 thanks,
 Andy

 www.verdant-recordings.com

(313) Records Have Been Shipped

[Joe Marougi]

Hey there,

Sorry for the reply all but just wanted to let the ones that ordered
a copy of Connecting the Compass that they were shipped out on
Thursday of last week.

Also a friendly reminder to those that expressed interest but didn't
yet send money to please use WePay.com instead of PayPal.

Lastly, here's the preview link again for anyone that didn't catch it
the first time around:
https://soundcloud.com/roundabout-sounds/connecting-the-compass-preview

$25+$10 S/H for US/Canada

Thanks!
Joe

(313) Soul Desire EP By Rondenion (Remixes By Rick Wilhite and Baaz) now arrived and available in Berlin

[Joe Marougi]

Brethren,

Nice full color jacket on this one (pix on my Roundabout Sounds page
on Facebook:  www.facebook.com/RoundaboutSounds

Preview here:
https://soundcloud.com/roundabout-sounds/rondenion-soul-desire-ep

I will also have some copies shipped to me here in California so that
I can send them out to anyone interested in the US (like I'm doing for
Connecting the Compass)

Thanks,
Joe

(313) Copies of Connecting the Compass album for sale (directly from here in California)

[Joe Marougi]

Peoples,

Anyone interested in a copy of this 11-track, 3x12 various artist
album please let me know.  $25 plus shipping.

I heard complaints that Crosstalk is selling them wholesale for $29 to
shops??  They shoulda just passed on it if that's the case.

Tracks from Karizma, Theo, Parrish, Wilhite, Talley, Soulphiction,
Baaz, yours truly and others:

https://soundcloud.com/roundabout-sounds/connecting-the-compass-preview

Thanks!
Joe

Re: (313) Copies of Connecting the Compass album for sale (directly from here in California)

[Joe Marougi]

Thanks for the kind words guys!

Yeah, I wanted to show some love for the American audience especially
since (as mentioned here before) things can get a bit hard to find in
the US.

Joe

On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 10:10 AM, Andrew Green mr.verd...@gmail.com wrote:
 Thanks,  strangely this was off my radar until a mate played a few tracks 
 last  night.   The Baaz and Wilhite tracks stood out for me too and so i got 
 sucked in.   I only ordered this a couple of hours ago from a UK vendor @ 
 considerably more than $25!  nevermind...

 peace,

 A
 On 22 May 2013, at 18:02, Joe Marougi wrote:

 Peoples,

 Anyone interested in a copy of this 11-track, 3x12 various artist
 album please let me know.  $25 plus shipping.

 I heard complaints that Crosstalk is selling them wholesale for $29 to
 shops??  They shoulda just passed on it if that's the case.

 Tracks from Karizma, Theo, Parrish, Wilhite, Talley, Soulphiction,
 Baaz, yours truly and others:

 https://soundcloud.com/roundabout-sounds/connecting-the-compass-preview

 Thanks!
 Joe

Re: (313) Copies of Connecting the Compass album for sale (directly from here in California)

[Joe Marougi]

Hi Tom,

Thanks very much bro!

My distributor in Berlin (Diamonds and Pearls) sells to Disc Union as
well as others, but them I'm sure about.

Joe

On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 11:09 AM, Tom Langford
tom.langf...@hotmail.co.uk wrote:
 Great LP, going to pick it up next payday hopefully (was a restock in Nagoya 
 the last week), should have grabbed it straight away mind! By the way, can I 
 ask who distributes for you in Japan?



 On 2013/05/23, at 2:19, Joe Marougi jmaro...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thanks for the kind words guys!

 Yeah, I wanted to show some love for the American audience especially
 since (as mentioned here before) things can get a bit hard to find in
 the US.

 Joe

 On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 10:10 AM, Andrew Green mr.verd...@gmail.com wrote:
 Thanks,  strangely this was off my radar until a mate played a few tracks 
 last  night.   The Baaz and Wilhite tracks stood out for me too and so i 
 got sucked in.   I only ordered this a couple of hours ago from a UK vendor 
 @ considerably more than $25!  nevermind...

 peace,

 A
 On 22 May 2013, at 18:02, Joe Marougi wrote:

 Peoples,

 Anyone interested in a copy of this 11-track, 3x12 various artist
 album please let me know.  $25 plus shipping.

 I heard complaints that Crosstalk is selling them wholesale for $29 to
 shops??  They shoulda just passed on it if that's the case.

 Tracks from Karizma, Theo, Parrish, Wilhite, Talley, Soulphiction,
 Baaz, yours truly and others:

 https://soundcloud.com/roundabout-sounds/connecting-the-compass-preview

 Thanks!
 Joe

Re: (313) KRU Noise Radio 2013-04-20

[Joe Marougi]

44 year old House Dad here too.  Was into faster stuff in the
early/mid 90's (big Rising High Records fan back then).  The bpms have
slowed down for me over the years as well.

The only parties I get to spin at here in the US are the ones where
I'm involved with bringing in the main act from Detroit, but it's all
good ;)

Joe

On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 8:32 AM, Odeluga, Ken ken.odel...@dowjones.com wrote:
 45-year old techno dad here.

 Still throwing parties [nowadays, they’re not parties which are liable to
 get busted.]

 Still listening to electronic music for dancing and myriad other forms of
 music.

 Still making tracks.



 Ken



 From: kent williams [mailto:chaircrus...@gmail.com]
 Sent: 24 April 2013 16:03
 To: Kerr Knoll


 Cc: list 313
 Subject: Re: (313) KRU Noise Radio 2013-04-20



 I'm going to be 56 in August.  My first appreciation of electronic music
 happened when I was 14 or 15 (Kraftwerk! Tangerine Dream!) -- unless you
 count Switched On Bach, which was in heavy rotation at our house when I was
 11 or 12 ...  During the disco period (which ran roughly from when I was 18
 until 21 or so) I gravitated to the more electronic stuff like Giorgio
 Moroder. I got into techno  house music seriously about 20 years ago...



 The mixes I post are from Noise Radio KRUI (Iowa City) -- I don't get asked
 to DJ in clubs very often.  Since I'm mostly using Ableton Live, some
 premeditation is involved, and my mixes are sorted from lowest tempo to
 highest.   If you can start out at a lower tempo, the higher tempos later
 are felt as an increase in energy.



 On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 8:56 AM, Kerr Knoll kerr.kn...@me.com wrote:

 I'm 38. I'm another techno-dad. I understand there's a few on this list :)



 When I was younger I made couple of techno tracks on an Amiga computer and
 when I listened to them recently I had the same kind of reaction. They were
 about 160 BPM and I didn't really think about that at the time. It wasn't
 like what I listened to, though I'd been into Hardcore, or UK breakbeat as
 well as techno before then. I may have put that down to youth as well, but
 I'm not sure.



 On Apr 24, 2013, at 02:43 PM, Andrew Duke Cognition Audioworks new email
 address andrewdukecognit...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'm 44.  I'll leave Kent to share his age if he so desires.



 In explanation: I've mellowed somewhat in terms of the speed of the tempos I
 produce and mix as I age.



 Example:

 I was lucky enough to have a track released on Matrix back in 1995, but
 quite soon thereafter lost my

 master and copy of the CD compilation.  At the time the song was produced,
 it was the tempo I was into. I only recently

 reacquired that CD and I knew, as I was about to first listen to the track
 in 18 or so years, that it was going

 to be faster than what I produce/play these days. I figured it would be a
 bit faster than

 what I'm playing these days.  Well, it was VERY fast. I shudder to listen to
 it now simply because it is so incredibly fast,

 it gallops along like some out of control train. Anyway, that's the way I'm
 feeling now as I get older,

 I still listen to a huge variety of styles of music, much of it much faster
 than the music I play on the show, of course,

 but personally I tend to make and mix music at much much slower tempos than
 when I was 20 years younger.



 http://andrewdukeinthemix.com







 On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 10:29 AM, Kerr Knoll kerr.kn...@me.com wrote:

 Well said :)



 On Apr 24, 2013, at 02:24 PM, Lechowicz, Thomas tale...@pointpark.edu
 wrote:

 On the note of age, I'm 21 and thoroughly enjoy the material you guys put
 out. Regardless of age, a good mix is a good mix. Keep em coming :)

 

 From: Kerr Knoll [kerr.kn...@me.com]
 Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2013 3:09 AM
 To: andrewdukecognit...@gmail.com
 Cc: list 313
 Subject: Re: (313) KRU Noise Radio 2013-04-20

 Really? I'm not sure what age has to do with it though I suppose it's more
 measured with less urgency but no less lively. It's grown-up music. I'm
 neither young or old either. I'm not sure I can tell that much from music or
 whether or not it really matters. There's maturity and taste, and that
 counts.



 http://k-os.net/music/kerr-knoll

 http://soundcloud.com/kerr-knoll





 On 24 Apr 2013, at 02:31, andrewdukecognit...@gmail.com wrote:



 Thanks for the kind words. I'm guessing the laid back-ness is likely

 because Kent and I are both so darn old! ;)

 http://andrewdukeinthemix.com

 http://cognitionaudioworks.com




 On 2013-04-23, at 10:01 PM, Kerr Knoll kerr.kn...@me.com wrote:

 I note that both Kent and Andrew's mixes are about 2 hours each and filled
 with quality tracks. Thoroughly enjoyed those too. They are filled with
 laid-back  colourful techno vibes.



 There are a lot of mixes about but you guys are doing a great job with these
 and well worth listening too.


 On Apr 22, 2013, at 02:17 PM, Kerr Knoll kerr.kn...@me.com wrote:

 We are spoiled 

Re: (313) Ross 154 / New World Aquarium

[Joe Marougi]

I can tell you that he was pretty hard to reach about a year ago when
I hit him up for a project.  Seemed as if he was pretty tight with the
label boss Marsel (who I believe is a member here) so maybe he'll have
more insight into Jochem's recent activities...

On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 8:49 AM, Arturo Lopez arturo.m.lo...@gmail.com wrote:
 Does anyone know what the man has been up to musically for the last few
 years? Such an amazing catalog of releases and not a peep of late.

 Surely one of you cool people in the know will know what he's been up to?

 -Art

Re: (313) Ross 154 / New World Aquarium

[Joe Marougi]

Yeah I hear youhis stuff hits me pretty hard too.  As long as they
are, tracks like Kirana's Lament and Trespassers aren't long enough
:-)

On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 8:58 AM, Arturo Lopez arturo.m.lo...@gmail.com wrote:
 I just keep finding myself going back to his releases; something very
 powerful in those soundscapes that never gets old for me.

 Although I suppose something very Techno about releasing a tight body of
 work, being hard to track down, and then vanishing (haha).

 thanks for reply


 On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 10:54 AM, Joe Marougi jmaro...@gmail.com wrote:

 I can tell you that he was pretty hard to reach about a year ago when
 I hit him up for a project.  Seemed as if he was pretty tight with the
 label boss Marsel (who I believe is a member here) so maybe he'll have
 more insight into Jochem's recent activities...

 On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 8:49 AM, Arturo Lopez arturo.m.lo...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  Does anyone know what the man has been up to musically for the last few
  years? Such an amazing catalog of releases and not a peep of late.
 
  Surely one of you cool people in the know will know what he's been up
  to?
 
  -Art

Re: (313) Juan + Moritz = Boarderland

[Joe Marougi]

Looking forward to hear it!


On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 8:05 AM, John Sokolowski jrsokolow...@hotmail.comwrote:

 Juan Atkins and Moritz von Oswald will release a collaborative album
 called Borderland through Tresor in June.

 The duo will debut the project with a live performance at this year's
 MUTEK festival in Montreal. Although their shared production history dates
 back more than 20 years (Atkins was the occasional third member in von
 Oswald's 3MB project with Thomas Fehlmann, which released an album on
 Tresor in 1992), Borderland will be their first album as a duo. The
 eight-track LP was recorded during studio sessions in Berlin earlier this
 year, and will see release as a series of 12-inches and a full CD album on
 June 10th, 2013.

 From http://www.residentadvisor.net/news.aspx?id=19421