Re: (313) ...more eminem, did we talk about the matter of elite-models?
could all of you please come back to the topic: Eminem :)
Re: (313) ...more eminem, did we talk about the matter of elite-models?
nah serious - did enjoy lots of postings last days - nice balance and was fine to see the elitism-thing reflected no complaints and nothing sensefull to add just some props for the postings best best out again
Re: (313) to move or not to move
was just thinking - ok, dance music - got this one but what about so called: intelligent dance music ? ;) are we supposed to be extra-intelligent while dancing ? - and what about - house music, surf music, smurf music, underground music, industrial music ...
Re: (313) 100 BEST DJ IN THE WORLD....
ask yourself what makes us think we should put favourite artists into any kind of hierarchy ? reflect the routines Ian Cheshire wrote: Yep lets have a 313 Top DJ.. ok so where do we start and who wants to compile it? I say, let's just have a top (whatever, 30? 50?) of DJs from anywhere we like. Of course many will be from Detroit but many won't which is fair I think. k
(313) deeeeeeeeeep, moody .... and groovy
attention online-listeners - awesome Mike Grant-shows on http://www.Tigersushi.com check out the last one - deep
Re: (313) Fw: ESKIMO presents SERIE NOIRE
everywhere in Europe a movement took shape, only to make way, years later, for house, techno, MTV and mobile phones. And judging from the enthusiasm the kids of today are lapping up these past nuggets with, the original, pioneering dark pop of yesteryear still transmits its true message: to be a cut above the rest. ? ? ?
Re: (313) OT: headphones
I only use Kraftwerk-Headphones they are built into my Darth Vader Helmet but don´t ask me about them - very very exclusive by the way: I found out for djing in a club it´s good to switch off the lightsabre (otherwise you might hurt yourself also people might think you´re into some kind of glowsticks-business - experienced both last, week when luke was in town for a gig I would be lax if I failed to mention the (don't cringe) Ixos Ministry of Sound DJ1001. I picked a pair up a couple of months ago and have been really happy with them. The best part is that they don't crush your ear against your head like the Sony ones will and they have a stereo/mono switch that is great for mixing. www.ixos.co.uk Mind you, I dumped my MDR-V700DJs for these. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 4:48 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) OT: headphones Hi, what would you consider to be the best headphones for mixing in a club as well as for home listening? Suggestions/reviews very welcome! Bye, Remco
Re: (313) what was the first techno record ever?
Agreed the mixmag one left something to be desired... Maybe start your work here: http://www.ishkur.com/features/music/index.htm I learnt something from there now, I didn´t know before: IDM means intelligent dance music ? :O :o :/ :) ;) :D ;D ,D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ,D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ,D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ,D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ,D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ,D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ,D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D I D M ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ,D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ,D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Intelligent dance music ;D ;D ;D ;D ,D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ,D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ,D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ,D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ,D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ,D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ,D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D 1. techno appears the first time an individual associated with detroit techno comes out with an album. one of the big three in this case. öhem, in this detail-case I disagree with you: techno - was not only invented in da D Take YMO - 25 Sep 1979 SOLID STATE SURVIVOR 1st track - technopolis 25 Oct 1979 - Technopolis 7inch Technopolis is a mixed word - techno and metropolis but just one example - the whole complex - futuristic thoughts incl. the aspect of technology making futuristic art using modern technology - is old And I´m quite sure it was there in the golden age of Nubia - But - Juan Atkins way to work with this this collective cultural matter was awesome and what happened then and why there is this list - it´s a big amount of aspects which created the special D-Techno - Juan Atkins is like the father of this phenomenan m planetz2002
Re: [313] MTV mystery: OCTAVE ONE
hm - yep germsmoney has got it´s goods and bads - there are some good people out there in mainstream and underground supporting music they really listen too and support when they like it - - but I would think, this is about the same in other countries in euope - 4.e.: ewokland - when New Order, MARRS, etc... showed up, it´s possible to go number one with dancetunes - with an underground flavour and an independent background - but don´t want to go all positive - main thing - there are some gaps in the systems for independents out there everywhere - and when I remember correct: Octave One did target to make it outside the underground-ghetto with this track - and it´s great to see it seems to work out somehow - 2 be honest - first time I heard the vocal version of black water - I thought it would sound too overproduced, too catchy other people on this list seemed to think this too but then after listening again - I think it´´s one of the very best tunes that came out last years - on a different note - anyone heard of this big Harry Belafonte CD-project - a compilation about the roots of modern music - BMG did take out the release after half a year - - anyone got a copy out there or could tell me where I could get it ? Techno nearly number number one?!? It could only happen in Germany! Remember also 'The Prince Of Techno'? ...And I weren't no Dr Albarn neither he said with pride, a few years later. And he was right! It may be a lot of other things (good not so good), but it's still seems *the* place for wide appreciation of electronic music. Would you agree Neontsetse? k -Original Message- From: Neontsetse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 5:17 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@Hyperreal.Org Subject: Re: [313] Re: topic: MTV mystery: OCTAVE ONE :D :D but serious - Octave One are still in germs MTV-dancefloor charts - it went up to NUMBER 2 !!! and the video keeps getting played - ps - this track is one of those which could ! make me cry First 313 mails started arriving in my normal inbox, and then in my spam folder, and before too long they were everywhere! The next thing I knew, MTV was playing Minimal Nation and the old lady next door was chased into her garden by a holographic Blake Baxter! That was the day I knew it had all gone wrong... | -Original Message- | From: Neontsetse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 5:02 PM | To: Jonny McIntosh; 313s | Subject: Re: [313] Re: topic: mailbox mystery: ik ben er even niet | | | | | nd stop bypassing my mail filters, please! My inbox cannae cope. | | also must be an error in the 313-letter-system | | maybe some kind of independence day is near ? | | ... it all started in my inbox ... one day I was watching telly | | and suddenly I hear this strange noise coming from my computer ... |
topic: mailbox mystery: ik ben er even niet
anyone also got this one here :): Hallo, Ik ben met verlof tot vrijdag 20 september. Ik zal uw mailtje dus pas op maandag 23 september kunnen lezen. Voor dringende zaken kan je wel terecht op de jeugddienst: [EMAIL PROTECTED] of 09/381.95.20. Groetjes, Bart seems like an automatic reply thing technology-gaps in the 313-system ? shoutz Bart - have a nice holiday ? :D
Re: topic: mailbox mystery: ik ben er even niet
I think he´s on holidays or something ... (can´t understand belgian) and it´s going on list as an automatic reply - also interesting: some mails just came as html-letters ... techno techno techno Yeah Ive nee getting crazy dutch/flemmish emails from this guy all week - Ive tried mailing him back in a similar language but it doesnt seem to have helped ! :[
Re: [313] Re: topic: mailbox mystery: ik ben er even niet
nd stop bypassing my mail filters, please! My inbox cannae cope. also must be an error in the 313-letter-system maybe some kind of independence day is near ? ... it all started in my inbox ... one day I was watching telly and suddenly I hear this strange noise coming from my computer ...
Re: [313] Re: topic: MTV mystery: OCTAVE ONE
:D :D but serious - Octave One are still in germs MTV-dancefloor charts - it went up to NUMBER 2 !!! and the video keeps getting played - ps - this track is one of those which could ! make me cry First 313 mails started arriving in my normal inbox, and then in my spam folder, and before too long they were everywhere! The next thing I knew, MTV was playing Minimal Nation and the old lady next door was chased into her garden by a holographic Blake Baxter! That was the day I knew it had all gone wrong... | -Original Message- | From: Neontsetse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 5:02 PM | To: Jonny McIntosh; 313s | Subject: Re: [313] Re: topic: mailbox mystery: ik ben er even niet | | | | | nd stop bypassing my mail filters, please! My inbox cannae cope. | | also must be an error in the 313-letter-system | | maybe some kind of independence day is near ? | | ... it all started in my inbox ... one day I was watching telly | | and suddenly I hear this strange noise coming from my computer ... |
Re: [313] topic: mailbox mystery: ik ben er even niet
ohem, just learned that too by some private posts sorry for not knowing thanks for educating best to my understanding there is no language called belgian, so my guess is nobody else understands it either... :) p.s. in belgium most people speak either dutch or french. other languages include: europanto, german, luxembourgeois, picard and vlaams... that concludes the european languages lesson for today...
Re: [313] Religious Major Producers
many major artists sign contracts where they give away too much control about their art - they do this for money (needed or greeded ?), for bigger possibilities in production and for fame ... - but - they give away the control for money - many simulate they didn´t - (the big art of entertainment :)) most video´s, promotionstuff etc.. and even much art is not made or controlled by the artists, no matter how nice they are - many ideas of presentation are some media-constructions regulated by some heads in the background - you talk about Nelly and major artists, as if they would be the heads of the media-construction and music we hear but most are just very very talented muppet-entertainers - tuning their mind into what they are supposed to do for selling - and even many conscious messages and the conscious clischees are getting used in this system as strategies for credibility for making bucks - - and at the same time: yes, not every major-contract is a robot-contract and some indie´s are just about the same as majors - but all in all - indie´s don´t make those amounts of money and they don´t have such a media-control for mass-manipulation - ... but I did like hot in HER 2 :) I actually see where you're coming from and I have debates like this with friends often. I believe most people are contradictory, I know I am! I try not to be, but... I can be vain and neurotic and impressionable yet I should know better! You could be an underground producer articulating radical ideas and still (secretly) love designer clothes and girls and cars! I forgive that as I have the same impulses. Nelly is young and I think most young people are especially contradictory. I always think how Malcolm X grew as a man - where was he in his youth? I think the most contradictory rapper out there after Tupac is Nas - one minute he's Nasty Nas, the ill MC, the next Nas Escobar, a playa rapper, and part of The Firm. A lot of hip-hoppers never forgave him for 'selling out' after Illmatic. Yet, correct me if I am wrong, but he is the only mainstream MC to question the current US foreign policy on his latest album. On his last album there was a song which sampled Toto's Africa and spoke of the way in which some young Black men in the US aspire to rock jewels that are mined in Africa by exploited Africans - it was a very commercial RB beat but the content was very conscious. Also, unlike myself, Nelly has not had the opportunity to attend college and read and learn and be exposed to a range of information and ideas in concentrated form (most of my higher education was paid by the government too!), but I feel he has the openness to learn and grow and he will. A lot of my friends used to call Wyclef Jean a sell-out but I said, as a Haitian-American he has broken through barriers by setting up companies and negotiating with multi-nationals and using his success as a platform to share his cultural experiences and address the prejudices experienced by Haitian Americans. So for all the contradictions, there are some positives. It's hard for the dispossessed and marginalised to relate to a post-capitalist mentality when they have in fact never been a part of capitalism itself, so I think this is a phase. I guess the real fault lies with US radio - if it played Nelly, then Jurassic 5, then UR, young people would be exposed to a range of ideas and possibilities and it would break down stereotypes. Maybe Nelly's music per se is not as inspirational as some others, but within the context of his career, him coming from a broken home, and experiencing a lot of instability in his early life to go on to build up companies, employ friends, there are some positives. From: Lester Kenyatta Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [313] Religious Producers Date: 15/09/2002 6:48:10 To: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org On Sat, 14 Sep 2002, Cyclone Wehner wrote: I respected TP's post, but in defence of Nelly, who gets a lot of flak, he is a really real person. His music is party music and actually quite positive for his genre of hip-hop - he would have more cred if he were more 'gangsta' or hardcore, but he refrains from that. He does a lot of social work and gives back to his community in St Louis and has given his friends jobs in his mini empire, and that's a positive, conscious thing. And, I have to say, he is one of the most down to earth and gracious superstars I have ever interviewed (three times now). He is very humble about his success too. In many ways he is like a lot of young men of his age, still finding his way. Music can be inspirational and positive in many ways maybe? (I love the song too, production is hype!) Cyclone, I'm feeling you. ON the one hand, Nelly IS a cool brother. I've played ball with him a couple of times and on one level he is totally UNASSUMING. But this doesn't mean his music is uplifting and
RE: [313] A great tragedy and loss......... (fwd)
Drexciya´s work sent out so many energys and they reached so many of us the energys were transmitted the music, creativity, thoughts and ideas are alive, because they will keep working inside of us in many forms ... wonderful art by a wonderful artist thank you Mr. James Drexciya Stinson - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] for those who know
N's represent numbers. the print is so god-damn awful that i can't say what numbers they are. many look like 3 8's :) perhaps it was released two years after it was made? however, it was way back :D m pz2002 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] nu wave
ooops - Tom was faster - but I forgot to highlight this one hot mix on Nuwaveradio.co.uk : Techno Special by Biz-E (Recorded 02 Aug 2002): 01 R-Tyme ³Illusion² 02 Suburban Knights ³Worlds² 03 Armando ³Worlds Unknown² 04 Blake Baxter ³Brave New World² 05 Blake Baxter ³When We Used to Play² 06 Claude Young ³The Woodwork² 07 Rhythm is Rhythm ³Beyond the Dance² 08 Psyche ³Elements² 09 K. Alex Shelby ³Vertigo² 10 Model 500 ³Interfearance² ... and one mo that keeps our lil office bumpin: Lenny Burdon on Groovetech.com - 313 planet people - check this : http://www.NuWaveRadio.co.uk. techno week on NuWave-Radio from Dollis Hill - feat carl craig (live) random noise generations (live) rolando lawrence burdon nu era - and got some news: Octave One/Ann Saunderson with Black Water on MTV´s Dancecharts in Germs from position 8 to 4 :D - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] nu wave
damnit - sorry again too early 4 me to get down it´s Lawrence Burdon - on Groovetech - ... and one mo that keeps our lil office bumpin: Lenny Burdon on Groovetech.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] ONE YEAR LATER -
why you better don´t hear to much about it: kraftwerk - computerworld: Interpol and Deutsche Bank, FBI and Scotland Yard Interpol and Deutsche Bank, FBI and Scotland Yard Business, Numbers, Money, People Business, Numbers, Money, People Computer World Computer World Interpol and Deutsche Bank, FBI and Scotland Yard Interpol and Deutsche Bank, FBI and Scotland Yard Business, Numbers, Money, People Business, Numbers, Money, People Computer World Computer World Interpol and Deutsche Bank, FBI and Scotland Yard Interpol and Deutsche Bank, FBI and Scotland Yard Crime, Travel, Communication, Entertainment Crime, Travel, Communication, Entertainment Computer World Computer World Ken, I think we better loose any opinion on 9/11 :) have fun Just canvassing for some thoughts a year after that cataclysmic event ... Was there a change in the soul of America? Did it find voice in music, including music out of Detroit? k - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Lost Weekend
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[313] can you post this to the 313 list... ?
voila Please distribute to raise awareness and support of this important Artists' Rights and Cultural Hegemony issue! -James Newton loses to Beastie Boys: Amicus support requested! URGENT (This story can found at http://www.jazzhouse.org/lobby.html) From: James Newton (renowned jazz musician) -- For the last two years I have been involved in a suit because the Beastie Boys sampled a part of my composition Choir and did not contact me for permission. They did not change in any way what they sampled from Choir. It begins with the sampled six and a half seconds and loops in the song over forty times. Pass the Mic' has appeared in CD, MP3, LP, and DVD formats. The law clearly states that to use someone else's music one must contact and receive permission from both the record company and the copyright owner.Choir was registered with the copyright office and ASCAP in 1978. My publishing company JANEW MUSIC controls 100% of the rights. The Beastie Boys contacted and received permission from ECM Records, which released my album Axum which they sampled in 1992, and ignored me. The case went up for summary judgement one month ago and Judge Nora Manella of US Federal Court ruled against me!!! She stated as a fact of law that my music was not original! The six and a half second sample consists of three sung notes C,Db, C and a held flute harmonic C2, as a result of the combination of voice, harmonic and a balanced distribution of each a series of shifting multiphonics are created. The judge ignored the multiphonics because they weren't written on the score and said that there are just three notes in the score which aren't protectable. If you go to the Beastie Boy's DVD of the piece Pass the Mic to signify the song there is only my flute sample and a drum beat. The judge consistently used European paradigms to judge my music. An aria from Purcell's Dido and Aeneas and Cole Porter's Night and Day were examples of what is protectable. Choir is about four black women singing in a church in rural Arkansas. This work is a modern approach to a spiritual. As you well know, one would be hard-pressed to find multiphonic fingerings in most jazz scores, even when multiphonics are used If I'm writing for a classical ensemble I'll write out the multiphonic fingerings because of how notation is used in that culture of music. The urgency of this letter is that after unjustly winning the case the Beastie Boys have filed a motion with the court for me to pay their legal fees of $492,000 after they stole my music. I have already spent a considerable amount of money for a creative musician and college professor. This would, of course, send me into bankruptcy, and I stand a chance of losing my home and all that I have worked for through the years. If you can spread news of this judgement around, it will help my cause greatly. The more newspapers, magazines and journals that this is placed in will help. Please inform us of any press that appears so that we can use it in our legal endeavors. My lawyer, Alan Korn ([EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]), and he can give you the information of where to send Amicus letters. This decision is a dangerous one that would affect jazz composers and other composers that choose to write in other ways. The strain on this trial and subsequent rulings have been immense. It has curtailed much of my artistic output because of the seriousness of this situation. This is a time when I have to now ask for your help. I am fighting for my rights and the abilty to express myself in my own and any other cultural perspective that I choose as an artist. Yours in music and freedom, James Newton - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] your most soulful DJ?
I'm not looking to stir up controversy - just want to see who makes the list(s). Please keep this a fun discussion (argue off list). damnit waz up, mike ? waz wron wif u ? waz wron wif a lil controvery ? (is that from eminem ?) r u scared ? r u some kind of lil scared bunny ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? you got problemz ? :D - ok, ok, ok - my soulistic 5 fave djs 4 2day would B: moodyman - theo parrish - robert hood - mike grant - marc mac + dego shoutz m planetzagainstcontroversy2002 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] your most soulful DJ?
was just thinking of Djanes reading Ellen Alien - did like the short set and selection of Hannah at the DEMF 2000 a lot that was very soulfull - wind parade etc.. together with moodyman I liked this the most - (though - I was only checking it via real-stream :() I think it´s still out there at grovetech - Adam Beyer, Ellen Allien, and Carlos Souffront have all taken a turn in ripping my legs to shreds, or at least had the intent, I'm sure. There is something to be said for that. -d - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 3:25 PM Subject: Re: [313] your most soulful DJ? Terrence Parker Roy Davis JR Derrick Carter Minx Theo Parrish that'd do it for me. -dave - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] control 3
it´s not all about the ears - freequenzys are also there to vibrate in your body - that doesn´t work over the headphone - high frequenzys land on the top of your head lower ones will make your booty swing - etc.. this is what helps people dance - one aspect, why it´s not only about listening music - different music-productions and different often not very exact systems make it difficult for tranced djs to get all 2gether in the best way - so the level goes up and some even like the feeling of overpowered systems - testosterone click :) so it´s always good to have some earplugs with you before f*cking your ears _ my 2.000 euros If this is the point then why not stay at home, plug in a pair of headphones to your hi-fi and crank the volumne up to full - it'll make you just as deaf. I honestly see no point in places the play music at rediculas levels. It becomes too loud to actually hear properly, distorts badly (caused by both the ear and the equipment not being able to take the levels), hurts and can cause people serious hearing problems. Whats the attraction? talk about missing the point. On Tue, 30 Jul 2002, :P wrote: thats a good idea... and I'd like to go on record as requesting that the PA not be so loud. it hurt me in the past and everytime I see rich anywhere, he jacks the volume up when he comes on. I hate that. -Joe - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] control 3
:D :D :D robin thanks for making me feel home again - menace 2 society-313 ? well, it´s a dirty job, but ... nah, don´t worry - I´ll keep buzzin in the summermist 4 some time big up and big sorry 2 some very special peepz still waiting 4 things 2 come - they will - and best best best to the rest of the 313-plague-clique - and all you detroit-techno-fans and international music lovers shoutz m pz2002 dammit we've set Neontsetse off again now... :) robin... it´s not all about the ears - freequenzys are also there to vibrate in your body - that doesn´t work over the headphone - high frequenzys land on the top of your head lower ones will make your booty swing - etc.. this is what helps people dance - one aspect, why it´s not only about listening music - different music-productions and different often not very exact systems make it difficult for tranced djs to get all 2gether in the best way - so the level goes up and some even like the feeling of overpowered systems - testosterone click :) so it´s always good to have some earplugs with you before f*cking your ears _ my 2.000 euros If this is the point then why not stay at home, plug in a pair of headphones to your hi-fi and crank the volumne up to full - it'll make you just as deaf. I honestly see no point in places the play music at rediculas levels. It becomes too loud to actually hear properly, distorts badly (caused by both the ear and the equipment not being able to take the levels), hurts and can cause people serious hearing problems. Whats the attraction? talk about missing the point. On Tue, 30 Jul 2002, :P wrote: thats a good idea... and I'd like to go on record as requesting that the PA not be so loud. it hurt me in the past and everytime I see rich anywhere, he jacks the volume up when he comes on. I hate that. -Joe - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] robin... -- Dr. Robin Pinning | E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Manchester Computing, University of Manchester, | T: +44 161 275 7028 Manchester, M13 9PL, United Kingdom.| F: +44 161 275 6040 --www.mrccs.man.ac.uk- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Marty Bonds
thanx a lot - (and still thankfull and greedy 4 mo infos after hearing the coming end2end) m planetz2002 Words from the man himself : I never saw a piece of electronic gear that I didn't want to take apart. That's what sparked my interest in electronic music. The music of Kraftwerk and Tangerine Dream are subtractive compositions -- just like the individual sounds in the composition are created with subtractive synthesis. Born in Detroit, Martin Bonds was recruited by Juan Atkins, after he heard a demo of a song called Aftermath. Shortly after, he produced tracks for Juan Atkins, Kevin Saunderson and Inner City. For few years, Martin stopped studio work to get married and have two children. Since his children are now approaching school age, he found time to get back to 'dissecting' more sounds in his home studio. The man sounds really discret... EndtoEnd 005 Marty Bonds - (EVA) Extra Vehicular Activity should be out for the back to school time (09/02), for more info maybe you could check www.big50entertainment.com From: marsel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Marty Bonds Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2002 22:43:20 +0200 i'm affraid not that many but his tracks as 'reel by real' are class a! i was just checking his track on the sonar 123 ep yesterday as well the track on the '313' compilation on infonet he as well did have a hand in much of old m500 releases his record on mike grant's end2end label should be out by now any help/list of getting together a full discography is very welcome At 4-7-2002 +0200 14:04, you wrote: good morning :) ... any biography, interviews, links bout Marty Bonds out there ? m planetz2002 .. . :: http://nomorewords.net - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] Marty Bonds
good morning :) ... any biography, interviews, links bout Marty Bonds out there ? m planetz2002 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] contact for peter parker
hi, I need to get a hold of peter and www.petpar.com doesnt seem to have an email for him. Please? m - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] dollis hill radio
incl. r-solution ... http://www.nuwaveradio.co.uk/ nu-era eclectic 80ies show comin up this friday - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Cluster, Metro Area, Submerge, http://www.tigersushi.com
- Cluster on tigersushi-records - the man behind the big tigersushi-archive-page is Joakim - France (he got some nice records out - cotton gun - on versatile 4 example it sounds a lil as if he was using some simular references as Metro Area, Luomo ... seemed to be including into their work lately) - the music-magazine tigersushi is an interesting informative page bout various music-movements and backgrounds - and it got some very interesting article bout Submerge-UR-Detroit lately - complicated and to be honest: I don´t understand all what is said by now and so I have no opinion. - 4 the real brains on the list: http://www.tigersushi.com/site/frameset.jsp?page=tsc/tsc.jsp - 4 a look around: http://www.tigersushi.com On 5/1/02 7:21 AM, Jonny McIntosh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cluster were the oddly named Moebius and Roedelius - and often Michael Rother of Neu! and, once upon a time, Kraftwerk. That trio were also Harmonia. Check out Harmonia's Musik Von..., Harmonia Deluxe. They're both effin' ace but far too tough to track down. To bring this back around to make it more thislisty there are a couple of brilliant Sky releases of Cluster with Brian Eno. Included on 1978's After the Heat is Pitch Control a track way ahead of its time and featured on the Ken Ishii Mixed Up mix CD. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] detroit quality
thanks for the info bout URB 50/50 quote is very positive to me and gives hope - There are a lot of people who want to sit around, smoke dope, not return phone calls and not work in the studio who think race is the reason they are not blowing up. I do not care what color your skin is, your work ethic determines where you end up. Hawtin sells more records than me for a reason, he workers harder and smarter than I do. - this again is also supporting old stereotypes - did you realize that ? my experience is this: any deals, interviews etc.. with Detroit artists I was involved in were transacted on a professional level and including high quality results - I can imagine some artists are not like this, as many artists are anywhere but better think of the big amount of serious hard working Detroit artists Richie is one of them - one of many and beside that - what do you think about... when the Burden Brothers did put money into submerge for supporting it ? when Mike Banks just built up the new submerge-house with others ? when three chairs tour is supporting various artists, not only single egos ? when some artists don´t join the DEMF to stay loyal to Carl ? when SOS is putting power into suporting Techno on Detroit-radio ? ... all this is about work ! and sharing powers - basics for the community the philosphy: Richie is the far most ... is only showing how some expectations of a normal hierarchic mind - using some popularity constructions of Pop-Media to proove the vision of the superior man you decide - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] bell vs wink / forcefield
what´s the problem with negativity ? when things are neative, they are trying to avoid it - don´t make them better this is about culture - negativity is a part of it - so it´s good to keep a focus on things like this one too don´t get me wrong - I don´t need to enter the subject again now but just don´t be so afraid of bad vibes stay focused on the reasons of negativity (without entering the gossip-level) thanks for forcefield and all people highlighting the rip-off-story out m planez2002 caught me in a bad mood, work stress ;) lets squash this topic -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 6:22 PM To: Grammenos, Peter Cc: 'glyn'; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] bell vs wink / forcefield ok- lets not have any fun and just continue this completely played out topic of negativity. On Wed, 24 Apr 2002, Grammenos, Peter wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 3:40 PM To: Grammenos, Peter Cc: 'glyn'; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] bell vs wink / forcefield i can't even begin to imagine how many tracks have the word freak in them. PG .. on a track that sounds as similar as these two do wanna start a list? PG lets start a list of these. gotta any deep chord tracks named after any basic channel tracks? no. any others.. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] Regarding to the visionary
the music debate it needed a change in the way of talking bout it it´s GOOD many people EXPLODED many offending statements and many answers too if we can use it in a productive way I believe now MANY opinions are based on THIS FEELING: WE DON´T WANT TO BE SEPERATED - the main pattern WE DON`T WANT THE WORLD NO LONGER TO CHEAT US (Ogoni-song) - the hookline to be ONE FUNDAMENT - the LIVING KEY for ONE WORLD if you can agree with this we can make it happen together don´t stop the beat . planetz2002 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] so very. very far OT... m300
I have a cheap robot-dog-toy called TEKKNO looks ok, but you shouldn´t switch it on the sounds are not techno they are like neo wave plastic (quadro spacing rules :D) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] (slightly OT) dreams n music
.. this is leading a bit somewher else but Alex Ayuli, one of the People who did M.A.R.R.S. pump up the volume and part of the Duo AR.Kane has got a label called DREAMPOP http://www.dreampop.com and dreams are a main subject in his work hey list. just curious if anyone out there might have any leads to information on dreams and the effects that sound and music have on them. any online resources...or names of books, films, authors, scholars would be greatly appreciated. thanks for your time all. mike _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Regarding Business
listen, would like to go easy but I don´t know the deepest motivation, and it ain´t the first time you did mention Juan Atkins the way this forward goes - IS disrespectfull -too far gone I was told to hold back with my assumptions I will, but some things are almost getting surreal and the vast majority of that stuff was between 85-90 (approx: 15 years). 15 years ? Metroplex 99 Aaron Carl - Down Chaos - Dot Dot Cash Mark Taylor - Silicon Alley R+S 99 Model 500 - Mind and Body when I remember correct, Juan Atkins is working on new music too I hope you´re not going to list the artists now to put them against him why don´t you stick to them you love instead of attacking them you don´t so anyway - theese records are out there for about 3 - 4 years that´s a completely different number then 15 years I think remembering you work as a journalist for Urb ? good night -- Forwarded message -- Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 14:08:39 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [313] Regarding Business I mean we read this article where Juan was bitching that he took like 2,000 a show and Oakenfold took 1 million for the tour, and how that he's white=rascism=trance whatever. Obviously Juan has to get a new booking agent or realize if you don't do anything musically for almost a decade, that people won't know you across the country, and 2,000 is a lot to play records in that case. I mean he was counting the Ford ad where they use his music as a recent accomplishment, an ad company using his music isn't something he did as recent. They referred to him playing at the DEMF, that was rained just into his set, he was only up there a bit. I think he needs to get his head out of his ass. There are soo many better Detroit DJ's that are actually working their sets, and pushing new sounds, but it's hard to get any where out of Detroit when you have these leaches sucking the life blood out of the Detroit name. Internationally they think that's the Detroit, when it's funny we really don't listen to them all that much here. And if you don't mind reposting this to the group 313 board I'd appreciate it, that function is disabled for some reason. Later, Steve - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Regarding Business
The fact that they don't do it for techno... *shrug*... Their loss. It gives us the chance to do it our way. And the fact that we've succeeded so far pretty much without them... it pisses them off to no end. I like :) Otto yeah, keep em behind - all the hard working independent labels and artists will rise and rise and rise above the business machines soon Detroit techno labels will be even more succssfull, independent and many will be owned by briliant artists, many of them being black making highest quality music - that´s what I call good business making it happen, though no one would have seen this happen when it started full strike get of our back with any programmed vision how business works or should work and we still can blame the other´s, waiting for the bigger succes to step in then for making the quick buck´s buck off - Detroit techno shows us, what we want it to be like this is why this list is here DETROIT RISE - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Some records
Ja Rule feat Ashanti is kickin and got some those fine techno-strings-and-fx... m planetz2002 -- LoveThemPlanetZ peoplez plantz peaze pluz m GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Electro Stuff
...hm, don´t know how many years ago it was when you heard mo wax - electro ? :D some of last years electro basics 4 me were: chaos - afrogermanic ? UR of course Mr. Keith Tucker, Black Electric, - Puzzlebox, direct beat, Delsin ... and overgalactical crazy deep electro stuff by Nubian Mindz - check his LP on Archive ... more on 2000black and drum n bass on reinforced -- LoveThemPlanetZ peoplez plantz peaze pluz m GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Rother...
electro-germs - yeah I´m down with lots of Rother stuff and I did like having sex with the machines - - the record of course :) then from around this area - Rhein-Main-Delta - Deltatronix - there´s Redagain P - also done some serious stuff - http://www.starschnitt.com got some sounfiles there - but don´t hang on the first one - was supposed to become sold :D ) What I like about Rother and Redagain, is that they do remember how abstract, deep ... the soundscapes and patterns ever might go the frequencys should work on your body electro boogie m planetz2002 -- LoveThemPlanetZ peoplez plantz peaze pluz m GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] re: BDP - ceremony minded tricks
BDP - lol for black dog - but BDP was big b4 black dog :D (oh what about the relation between big black, äh no, meaning black flag, Mojo and Detroit ? - did this cross with techno back in the dayz ? - and how ? was there a deeper idea of movement and what was it, if ) anyway, I also remember some disses here in the past bout hip hop -tsss who´s ready 4 dissing hip hop ? and what are the reasons? hey, no one did see all the detail mistakes I done b4 ? - interesting :D but also wanted to take the chance to give some serious props back to Notingham and sunglasses-partys but damnit, I really hope you also do wear them at nite b4 for the current neon-wave-colour-fashion kills your eyes - :D No, I was not wanting to attack this party or your activities on a serious level needed to say this again - yes house that body all night long m planetz2002 -- GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] re: BDP - ceremony minded tricks
just - pick up the flow m planetz2002 Thers a sunglass party scene in Nottingham??? Man, I'm there :) Seriously though, is it just me or does this guy know how to avoid any kind of cohesive point to his posts? I'm beginning to think it might all be a well thought out wind-up Jason Brunton -- GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] Re: it takes a millions of questions
that sunglasses at night party was also listing - Mantronix ? They´ve been a mix of housyness, rap, electro etc... and hey don´t you 4-get I´ll house you - hip house or were most of you only into ebm and new wave at that time ? :D another question would be - Detroit-techno influences on current - RnB - so much great music happening there - are there any official quotes on that or interviews? are there more detroit-techno producers doing tracks at the moment as close to current RnB as Robert Hoods key to midnight was ? - need to have it - -nighttime world 2 - is still my fave record of the last years if any one did read this posting - till this point - interesting isn´t it ? :D m planetz2002 -- GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] can't we all just get along?
race has been talked into the fuggin ground as well, because yes it is a very essential and important subject. i'm not sure what is being argued here. actually, i see nothing being said at all, aside from some quotes from mainstream hiphop.. yes there is racism inherent in all societies and it is deeply entrenched in techno. and?? digging deeper..?? what are the issues being discussed, i missed something ok, you want to know, what the issues were before ? the main issues still are, that there are big race-problems in the US, (also on the whole globe) and the problems get reflected in some of 313-music, in titles, lyrics, samples, artwork, in interviews - but many people do ignore those messages, that artists do make to be heard - to communicate - - I got some mails here by some of the people with great taste (being writers, making music-pages, etc) saying that they just don´t care, what the messages are like - Also many reactions in the past showed up that many people do not agree at all that a strong fundament of 313-techno-music is based on black-culture and so they tried to proove that this is not true by highlighting many influences of white musicians in the world of music Then, also some people showed up they felt offended when it was about blackness, black artists black music etc... for various reasons ... some called it boring, crap some seemed to have a good motivation, that they don´t want to make any differences, based on the colour of the skin but I think it needs sometimes people to explain the messages to them that this is not the way the world order* keeps going on in reality - (* world order incl. about 50 % black soldiers in the us-army ? /correct me, damn me, if I am posting wrong numbers/ over 80 % of the killed soldiers in Vietnam were black ? - just another xample - put this into the relation of how many black people are locked in prison and how many black people are dying in the streets every day in the US) - theese were some of the main issues I think that have been discussed here, but not at all in a way that you could say - it´s all clear now - also J.T., I think it´s good when the people do bring themselves and their history intoo the frame, their own perspectives and experiences about myself - I feel that my english and knowledge actually wouldn´t be good enough to to enter this discussion, but I did feel the need to speak up, cauze some people somehow keep trying to wipe out those issues from the list - I do know it´s a heavy case and I can´t sleep, work and stop thinking about it as soon as I concentrate on it myself... - when I talk with some black friends about this ... (just imagine, it could only be one word that would seperate us 4 ever) - when I wonder how much they can take, when I see the ignorant reactions - when I remember how some storys about intelligence tests, spreaded by respectabled university professors used to make me believe black people wouldn´t be as intelligent as white people, when I was a teenager - when there was the biggest nazi-demonstration since the end of the second world war, marching through Berlin last year - I worry, when I put postings about this subject on the list, because I think I might be doing some harm to 313-culture cauze of talking shit - - and on and on - I do know it´s a heavy case - - but I was told, my worries ain´t a tiny bit as heavy, as it is to be black and living in Oakland, Brooklyn etc... or some areas in DETROIT m planetz2002 -- LoveThemPlanetZ peoplez plantz peaze pluz m GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] can't we all just get along?
You don#8217;t have to be an academic to know that the civil-rights movement of the 1950s and #8217;60s is one of the most deeply complicated chapters in American history. Likewise, you need only a passing knowledge of this chapter to know that black music provided a crucial ROLE blocked by the governement, the establishment, the institutional economy, the media, and so on since then. But to take on the daunting task of definitively contextualizing the relationship between these two movements, you#8217;d likely have to be an academic and sadist. I still don´t understand the conclusion - We shall stop talking about the too heavy too complicated subject ? I thought we want to talk and learn about 313-music and art, right ? So when we hear and read that there are also black-related subjects in the music, in artwork, in lyrics and in interviews, I would think this is quite a good place to talk and learn about some of the background of this art - and so I will repeat this here - Just take a title of a record like - Ebonics - by Theo Parrish - the subject is in the title - you can hear the vocal-samples directly dedicated to the subject Now just count the postings done here about record-numbers and id´s of Mr. Parrish´s records and mixes (which is great) - but now put this amount against the number of people talking about the record-titles, the meanings of his art some including black related subjects- you come up with a number 100:0 = 100-mixes vs 0-messages ? now have you ever heard of a simple phenomenon called silent majority ? no no, not us here ?? - preaching to the converted ? how should I know, when I see the majority relation about 100:0 I would like to talk about the black messages in the art - to learn and understand - because some music in music-culture is also connected with sending information with teaching and communication in various ways - I would like to understand more - 4 some understanding it´s good to communicate - and this is what this list is made 4 - to chat and learn about the music and art some artists have a focus on non-messages - want the music to speak without words - others mix the music with other things and thoughts that move them - but all the people pushing the black messages into the racistic corner, by calling it off-topic, too heavy or too academic to talk about it, or keep preaching on it´s only music are making the debate very strange and this avoids getting closer to the art - this won´t help in the deeper understanding of much music-art coming from Detroit - still thanx 4 the books - m planetz2002 -- LoveThemPlanetZ peoplez plantz peaze pluz m GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] can't we all just get along?
Tristan, thanx and respect, but sorry again I got some more edits about it and sorry again this is becoming another long one including my style of writing :/ - after you said the amount of race-debates would be much higher then Theo-debates I just made a check with 3127 of the 313-postings I ´ve got in my account - Keywords - - racism - 12 - race - 71 - theo parrish - 119 - message - 1148 - black message - 5 - joke - 51 - funny - 58 and - - fun is mentioned 440 times (which I think is very important too of course) but - about the debate - I personally prefer mails as the one from Arne to the cynical or many missing reactions, when he was saying that it makes him sad, when he he remembers (I don´t) someone said that whites are not able to make this music - this crosses another deep going problem too - a problem related to the reflection of the racism - I´m sure many people feel this problem too - but see - there are so many problems like this, cauzed of a programmed world - we have so much corrupt information - hiding in the subconsciousness - but how can it get solved and understood by not communicating about it ? yes, there are also phenomenans as positive racism, victimising, or clichees connected to the matters - but I used to think we could isolate the faults and do something to try to make it better by digging as deep as much as the music does it too - but somehow the debate always get´s stuck - maybe also cauze of my faults - but the list could be here to reflect that - we can break up the monotony of shit-talking by talking about ourselves some more again..cant wait I see - so instead, there´s a constant mood of: finish it quick , this is off-topic, this is boring (ha) this is too offending, this is too much about us , I think, this is the main reason why the debate stays in a dangerous mood - - even in mainstream the debate is somehow more direct and visible at the moment when you take DMX ..they don´t know who we be or Mystikal for example - .. you keep bangin me against the wall did someone see the video ? - in the end he´s knocking on your door do some of you really think it´s just the US, that would need a change ? Even in nations where race-problems might seem less obvious, though they are also there, just look at the economic markets and how the doors are regulated - keeping Africa and other country´s in a safe distance to the game of global capitalism (unless it´s about selling weapons ) should the 313-list become the big hideout, where we don´t face subjects of life at all, though messages are included in much of the art ? Should we only go for the amusement only - pick out the serving elements instead ? Most people on the list are in an age, that they should have passed the innocent mind of a child - grown up men and women - I don´t want to join a talk about 313-music, as if it would be a talk about Playmobil only pleaze keep on the messages - as long as they are out there - reflect, correct, edit and flame my faults 2 with knowledge and some care don´t take the debate out m planetz2002 -- LoveThemPlanetZ peoplez plantz peaze pluz m GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] can't we all just get along?
Tristan, thanx and respect, but sorry again I got some more edits about it and sorry again this is becoming another long one including my style of writing :/ - after you said the amount of race-debates would be much higher then Theo-debates I just made a check with 3127 of the 313-postings I ´ve got in my account - Keywords - - racism - 12 - race - 71 - theo parrish - 119 - message - 1148 - black message - 5 - joke - 51 - funny - 58 and - - fun is mentioned 440 times (which I think is very important too of course) but - about the debate - I personally prefer mails as the one from Arne to the cynical or many missing reactions, when he was saying that it makes him sad, when he he remembers (I don´t) someone said that whites are not able to make this music - this crosses another deep going problem too - a problem related to the reflection of the racism - I´m sure many people feel this problem too - but see - there are so many problems like this, cauzed of a programmed world - we have so much corrupt information - hiding in the subconsciousness - but how can it get solved and understood by not communicating about it ? yes, there are also phenomenans as positive racism, victimising, or clichees connected to the matters - but I used to think we could isolate the faults and do something to try to make it better by digging as deep as much as the music does it too - but somehow the debate always get´s stuck - maybe also cauze of my faults - but the list could be here to reflect that - we can break up the monotony of shit-talking by talking about ourselves some more again..cant wait I see - so instead, there´s a constant mood of: finish it quick , this is off-topic, this is boring (ha) this is too offending, this is too much about us , I think, this is the main reason why the debate stays in a dangerous mood - - even in mainstream the debate is somehow more direct and visible at the moment when you take DMX ..they don´t know who we be or Mystikal for example - .. you keep bangin me against the wall did someone see the video ? - in the end he´s knocking on your door do some of you really think it´s just the US, that would need a change ? Even in nations where race-problems might seem less obvious, though they are also there, just look at the economic markets and how the doors are regulated - keeping Africa and other country´s in a safe distance to the game of global capitalism (unless it´s about selling weapons ) should the 313-list become the big hideout, where we don´t face subjects of life at all, though messages are included in much of the art ? Should we only go for the amusement only - pick out the serving elements instead ? Most people on the list are in an age, that they should have passed the innocent mind of a child - grown up men and women - I don´t want to join a talk about 313-music, as if it would be a talk about Playmobil only pleaze keep on the messages - as long as they are out there - reflect, correct, edit and flame my faults 2 with knowledge and some care don´t take the debate out m planetz2002 -- LoveThemPlanetZ peoplez plantz peaze pluz m GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Juan Atkins - then having a break
Is that the reason you mis-spelt his first name throughout your post? The thing is, many unprincipled journalists have made a dark artform out of taking the comments of those whom they interview provocatively twisting their words to suit an agenda. Usually, that agenda is to stir s**t up with little regard for the consequences, especially whether it could reflect negatively on the person kind enough to speak to them in the first place. this happens and is horrible - might be some details got mixed - but - me myself, I´m also doing interviews 4 quite some time and I do take care that the things said are not getting cutted and changed or highlighted in a way that the meaning get´s changed and let me tell you - there are so many many statements like that said by black artists and you know it they become more relevant with every step when people deny or don´t react to them - I posted some others b4 - You want to hear some statements from Theo Parrish about it ? You did read John´s interviews with Suburban Knight, Robert Hood too ? http://www.undergroundcommittee.com WHY do you feel the need to suggest especially THIS information is wrong ? and WHY the hell you think it should be harming his career ? Because you do agree with them people, who don´t want to hear what´s a big part of what´s happening ? Should Juan Atkins take care about them holding the blanket for the real racists by being ignorant easy and on the other hand being whiny, weak and fearing people ? You want him to shut up that there are problems ? You want him to be the black friendly business entertainer who LOVES especially white people on the planet, because you identify yourself with being white ? You want him to shut up ? Why don´t you try to understand why he might be right ? This list is full of people in quite good easy jobs, even some with powerful positions - so We are the people, who are a part of the problem - If WE would take care WE would be less a part of it... many on the list are making music too - now the question is: why are we/they on a 313-list ? What´s the reason behind, if so many feel the need to deny this background of the music ? Is it because it´s the vibe, that isn´t easy and doesn´t feed the ego or the hunger 4 entertainment only ? Is it because people want a good world and can´t deal with them saying it´s not ? Is it because the own role and identity is getting questioned this way ? Is it because of being scared there ain´t no way to participate or to be a part of this ? is it, is it, is it ? or now is it --- because some are ready to TAKE OVER - the control -? that´s xactly what Juan said - and it just seems to be like this - Yes, there was Mojo, New wave, independent and white influences etc.. - Yes, not every thing is a question of black and white, it is not only about this - Yes, it´s about music and music for the people - but then you need to show up you are people people - come out and keep talking about this till the respect RISES back to them why there´s such a thing as the 313-list -- pay them back with showing up that you know it you are there to understand and connect - I will shut up 4 some time - WE COULD BE SO MUCH MORE -- LoveThemPlanetZ peoplez plantz peaze pluz m GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] RE: Music
I'm hoping someone will invent a button that says Ignore completely because the Delete function just doesn't quite seem to cover this drivel what is it ? it´s no subject ? but YOU telling me about Theo Parrishs record and you wouldn´t like to buy it - that is something that needs to be said to me ? what´s the reason in telling that anybody ? what does your comment mean ? and one more 4 them who didn´t read it - Juan Atkins talks about the race-probems in music-culture on http://www.xlr8r.com/ lil take: America still has a lot of [racial] barriers, says Atkins. There's still a lot of racism here. [I dont believe] that the music industry is any different than any other industry when you've got seventy or eighty percent white people running it. You're gonna have race issues even if they're unintentional. [Its like] what happened with Chuck Berry and Little Richard in the beginning of rock 'n' roll. Eventually [their accomplishments were] recognized, though Little Richards [veneration came] pretty late. Elvis is still bigger than all of them will ever be. I think blacks are about to be excluded from dance like they were excluded from rock 'n' roll. It's not that [the industry and labels] are going to physically do it, [but they will] take so much soul out of it that blacks are not going to want to get into it. And that's [how] trance is [sounding] right now. It has no life, no soul. -- LoveThemPlanetZ peoplez plantz peaze pluz m GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] next step - moodyman - kraftwerk
great 2 get 2 know you people shoutz 2 all coming a lil closer - serious - but I already have another 1 coming in - are there any of you on www.deephousepage.com ? there is a very direct race debate in a Kenny Dixon-thread over 260 posts and it´s paralell to some debates here - let me take this one out 4 here - WHEN MEMBERS OF KRAFTWERK WERE ASKED WHAS THE INFLUENCE 4 TRANS EUROPE EXPRESS QUOTE - JAMES BROWN - meet you there, maybe and let´s continue here - some mo - like that maybe we can manage to talk about things without crying now ? now entering bed dreaming of some set in Nottingham - starting with Wally Badarou, further back in time - newcleus, man parrish grandmaster flash, parliament, bohannon, stevie wonder...etc.. ;) -- LoveThemPlanetZ peoplez plantz peaze pluz m GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] Music
brian wilson and the beach boys, beatless, kraftwerk etc... big music with an own signature in sound, composition, artistic meaning - done by some special muscians and there are many more out there yes artists of all colours - would never deny that - but still they also live and lived in the context of what´s been around them and b4 - (by the way, I love some classic-music-kind too - up to debussy putting in oriental influences in his music) ... but - still I believe, when we talk about the subject Detroit-techno we need to talk about the individual artists but also some collective phenomenans and as much is about the communication with beats the talking drums - this - was not the european culture 4 a long time (the real tribal music there got almost lost and mutated to a nothing) Then as some detroit art is directly about ebonics blackness black mahagony up to underground resistance in the context of the world as it is - this is in the story-line of black music, because the shit don´t stop till now almost not to talk about it, when you talk about it, is more then ignorant ... A Guy Called Gerald meantioned yesterday - his statement about what happens to detroit techno they take it, fake it and break it - guess what he meant by that ... ps - anyone checking the debate on KDJ on deephouse ? -- LoveThemPlanetZ peoplez plantz peaze pluz m GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] Music
I thought the list would mainly be about 313-techno and not techno in general mainly, but ok, so you complained about a missing techno-chat ? ? guy called gerald also done so called techno-classics ! - 313-related kind also being friend of Mr.May - the records I mentioned are some 313-techno to house-basic-records so the posting was also about techno what do you want to chat about ? you wanna talk with others what is good and not all day long without being able to say what it is that makes you think it´s good ? what is banging and not ? - why some Dj´s kick you and others don´t how people should better entertain_oops_educate the kiddies you want to know about techno you need to move closer to the subject other alternative always is - we stop talking and just feel, dance, listen, understand but then I want all of us to stop - no more talking or nomorewords.net :D -- LoveThemPlanetZ peoplez plantz peaze pluz m GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] about the videos
...wouldn´t it be great to be able to see some funky pix now ? 1 video of each person dancing to their fave tracks around the kitchensink in trainers - and another 1 we´re everyone has to try to dance swing and sing along with pet sounds :D damn, this webthingculture still ain´t hi-tek enuff -- LoveThemPlanetZ peoplez plantz peaze pluz m GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] again + again
dear list-people, thanx 4 sending me many comments of-list - some positive but many mails saying they don´t understand my english:) or the purpose cauze of the amount of thoughts - What I was trying to say and I said that many times be4, that I think, it´s important to reflect the 313-culture on a higher level - Me, myself I am not the best one to do this becauze of the language problem but mainly becauze I know there are people here with a much stronger background - But if we only move the titles around and not stepping into the things behind the art, we act respectless, as we are ignorant, as we don´t listen, don´t care - let me come up with nu questions - What do you know about influences of groups like Nucleus ? Why are UR calling themselves souldiers ? Why do you think are 4 Hero currently highlighting the aspect their music is black music ? Why do we not speak more here about the messages in the art ? ... Moodyman, Theo Parrish, Robert Hood, Mike Grant, Octave One, UR, Mills, Juan Atkins ... yes yes, various attitudes and messages included - but that´s just one more reason to talk about it ... otherwise I don´t know what this list is made 4 -- LoveThemPlanetZ peoplez plantz peaze pluz m GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] Re: again + again
Where was there even a hint of Drum n Bass mentioned in the post? If you want to talk about Drum Bass ,,,maybe you should talk about Drum Bass on a Drum bass forum not a 313 forum.. Is anyone in agreement or have I misread his email? mentioning 4hero - them from the paralell universe of 313 doesn´t mean th whole mail was about d+b, as their music is somewhere else - go ahead :D -- LoveThemPlanetZ peoplez plantz peaze pluz m GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] ain´t no Ewoks
1 inbetween - 1 shorty - bout Identity - the culture is a construction based on the things we got planted inside :D and the things we choose ourself.. the idea of a nation is the most negative methaphysical construction I can think off - but it is a methapysical idea that became reality long time ago - people have feet to walk over the land, built machines to drive, swim and fly - but people are regulated by the idea of territory I have two passports 4 real and I can enter other territorys different then people coming from Africa - I have much better chances to make an easy living - this is unfair - and it´s reality - dont stop moving - -- LoveThemPlanetZ peoplez plantz peaze pluz m GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] UR soldiers
and 1 mo - 'Why do UR call themselves soldiers?' Don't know, Is it part of a marketing ploy? I always thought they trod a fine-line between truths and stories which help their image. What do other people think?? What do they communicate with this ? Even if it would be inside of a marketing ploy ? What is the whole meaning of the attitude ? :D having a break - I´m gonna search some stuff from my archive - thanks 4 all stepping into shoutz -- LoveThemPlanetZ peoplez plantz peaze pluz m GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] U R souldiers
need 2 add this - I never wanted 2 speak with the words of others and instrumentalize them 4 my own sight if this happens or happened I am sorry and tell me but I do see that the way it´s treated here is also instrmentalizing sometimes, by not talking about the things that are there - - it´s a thin line - this is xactly why I want to get the messages straight, that people talk about what the ideas of what the artists want to communicate and if they interact to it - yep dancing, singing swinging and feeling and moving one thing that I do know 4 sure is - it´s not only music hm and to big Michael - the subject 'boring is interesting - how can u go so wild, when u can click it away ? you wouldn´t even need to read ? - I was just answering your answer anyway - - but till I get kicked off the list today :D - gonna make some more noise - -- LoveThemPlanetZ peoplez plantz peaze pluz m GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] uk club - claude young - 4hero
1 mo shorty as I see some crosslink 4 them not knowing the Dollis Hill history - claude young done some great remix for jacobs optical stairway (4hero) - solar feelings - r+s -- LoveThemPlanetZ peoplez plantz peaze pluz m GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] re: about the members
I like this idea bout getting a kind of picture of you people here . and I´ll do it 2 - though the web is very dangerous nowadays and we even got people on the list snapping profiles 4 business ! and after some comments we surely also got some other official friends scanning :D but bla --- me: 30 work 4 my own web-company - building webpages live in Heidelberg Germsmoney - various music related projects but won´t xplain here - but I can sit over 2 hours trying to understand the relation of the tones in one pattern I love exact sounds that vibrate the body I love music - I love it with + without lyrics ... If I would make a party in nottinghill - it would look something like this at the moment: -- LOTUS FEVER -- Thursday 37th February 2002 @ Moogie bar, Bottleham 8-12pm FREEEZ WITHOUT ENTRY Next date: Thurs 37th March thereforeafterIseewhatucan´tsee --- an evening with new and old nu-new-wave-old-beats, nu-notsoulbutsoul, bootywithoutboots old-nu-jazz, broken fixed beats j-pop, j-lo-pop through a wider lense - Ruichi Sakamoto - Larry Heard - Missy Eliott - Robert Hood - Aaliyah - Neptunes - Keith Tucker - P.Diddy (the bitch)- Foxy Brown (my man) - Jay Dee - Mission - Seiji - Recloose - 4hero - Irma Thomas - Howling Wolf - Sydney Bechet - Ernie K Doe - Biz Markie - EPMD - Public Enemy - UR - Carl Craig - Brett Dancer - Mike Grant - Theo Parrish - Sylvia - Archie Shepp - Doug Hammond - so many more :D edit - but in germs - - I only spin tekno without using any hi hats, bassline chords, melody-stuff ca. 190 bpm :D -- LoveThemPlanetZ peoplez plantz peaze pluz m GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] uk-tech-house
Swayzak are typical Ewoks sorry, but some strong vibe tells me this needs to be said :D -- LoveThemPlanetZ peoplez plantz peaze pluz m GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] ain´t no Ewoks - this is getting serious
Swayzak - they are not Ewoks ? I thought they would be from London - Ewokland - I´m very sorry (Scottish people ain´t no Ewkos) and though some friend just sent me whip the Ewoks I´m gonna stop the joking now, as there also was some serious thought behind this silly stuff - let me xplain - it´s gonna get 313-related and it´s gonna get heavy - - me myself - I am half-ewok and half of a germ - nationality to me is a damned metaphysical construction, but the world is built on this, so it´s a reality I have to face in this reality England and Germany and some other Nations as France, the USA cauzed and still cauze so much horror in the line of history - theese Nations repressed and killed countless people and culturez, other national constructionz and move them around on the big plate, they fight all the time various dirty games for the structures of world order - - Ghetto-reality, Palestine, Isreal (a part in a game too), Nigeria, Ireland etc.. cauze of that - many people in Detroit still live under bad circumstances - cauze of that - the biggest continent Africa, the major source - is kept in a mess cauze of that now - all music we hear nowadays is connected to the history line - music always is (transformed by artists) - if there´s Kraftwerks idea of creating tribal music, if it´s about the rolling stones stealing from blues-artists, the rock´n roll robbery by elvis etc... if it´s about the alien-thing by many black artists as sun ra, george clinton, 4hero This list is about the 313-construction It was started cauze of techno-music coming from Detroit Most artists are black artists who created this music, now the views of many people about this music are coming from various perspectives, but why is it that it happens that people highlight certain european and white musical influences, even more then the historical afro-american background of it ? I feel the amount of theese influences mentioned here is not in the right relation to the main basis and main source of much of the music - this shows a picture, that is changing the meaning the Ewok-joke was a silly inspiration to question the way of understanding music the English do, which also does have it´s certain tradition in the line of history... (highlighting the pop-aspect) See, I don´t want to be over- preachy and I feel much love 4 this house is our house-vision, and am so gratefull this door is still opened by artists though the shit keeps happening all the time - but I think we all do have the responsibility to take care ... much more care ... and that means to enjoy the music and the party of course, to enjoy it 100 %, but as long as I feel things are getting pulled into a certain direction, that seems to be a part of stealing or redefining the 313-culture in a classical colonial tradition, there will be those wrong spelled grammar f***ing preachy mails, and understand, when I´m doing the same kind of mistakes please tell me and teach me - shoutz m -- LoveThemPlanetZ peoplez plantz peaze pluz m GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] aini?t no answer
Dear ladys, would you mind not making this posting only look ridiculous ? would you mind pointing out the things you don´t agree with ? would you mind showing up your own thoughts ? What I was doing was showing up some complicated stuff - also including some deep feelings It´s not easy to go out there, this way - to talk about the harder things in life I can imagine there might be views that people do not agree with or some things were not explained the best way, they should be why don´t you pick out the subjects that you don´t agree with or you might do know better ? this way you deny lot´s of stuff too many things I would think I think you've had too many bites from those tsetse flies. I suggest you go and have a lie down. no more drugs for *you*. -- LoveThemPlanetZ peoplez plantz peaze pluz m GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] is it music?
music is so much more - communication and projections much of 313-music is full of things to talk about but it should happen a much higher level then only comments about taste - incl. some respect 4 the musicians beeing judged by others - so much more then any other people get judged 4 what they do 4 some reason Of course it also can´t go without bringing in your perspective... but a lil more reflective then sometimes b4 - pleeez (respect 4 some ewoks too) ... still preparing some blabla in my mind bout that 4 the list soon m planetz2002 -- LoveThemPlanetZ peoplez plantz peaze pluz m GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] is it music?
This is barely comprehensible. Sorry. what do you mean by that ? - the grammar and stuff ? - pffr or you got the meaning and you complain about that ? you could complain a bit more detailed then - - oh and robin - about the bla-man thing hm listen - I would love to shut up and just read and learn more about the deeper things in 313-culture - (beside the always good2know record collector-stuff) but most comments here - are so flat and are just üärgh - I mean why the f±±± is this rubbish almost every day, like: Mills should do and write this and that, or yesterday - Stacey Pullen should mix like this so people give him a mark as if it´s about getting marks at school ? the Music needs to be like this and that ? ? ? What do you know about the meaning of certain drum patterns ? The meaning of african culture in music (and techno music) and how it developes through the circumstances the dominating nations create on the planet. What is it that makes you move - beside banging beats or that it´s hot ? I´m here 4 understanding more ... does that make sense ? ps - alex reece c not s was the pulp fiction one - and - adam f - bob james sampling - octave one - bob james roadies off 2day party nite nite m planetz2002 -- LoveThemPlanetZ peoplez plantz peaze pluz m GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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if it wasn't for us trendy brits techno would've died many years ago... hm, so you would also say that the introduction of the Ewoks in star wars 3 was important ? and house would still be seen as a gay thing hm - well my first house experience was in a kind of a gay club and that was cool - unforgetable and please then let me know why a friend keeps saying - the gay brits ? ;D ;D ;D ;D :) :) robin... -- LoveThemPlanetZ peoplez plantz peaze pluz m GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] RE:[313] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Tell him. It's bizarre when some people effectively want to close themselves off from all outside influences ... there lies danger - in fact of course, we're already experiencing the consequences of that. Sad. everybody who is checking the music history a lil bit knows that too - and it´s not that you talk about a story, that is gonna get lost at the moment and this is what I think is funny - all the Models in Paris cut their hair new wave kind a to be trendy all the mainstream-music video´s - from Pink, Babyface + Kylie Minogue come up with the 80ies reference - it´s just the pop-buzz of 2001 / 2002 and I´ve got tons of GB-jokes here in case you want them :D -- LoveThemPlanetZ peoplez plantz peaze pluz m GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] Uk-Techno
Ok, any of the Ewoks from over there, got the real story of WARP ? How it was founded and why Robert Gordon (also Engineer 4 many important tracks in the beginning) did leave, or did have to leave ? I never did see it in any Feature - I know there´s another story there so what do you know about this ? -- LoveThemPlanetZ peoplez plantz peaze pluz m GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] The Ewok Thing
öhem - sory - just getting quite many letters just now bout this - and serious answers coming up later ... in the meantime ... thanks to all the Ewoks and the EwoksnotEwoks and the Nu-Ewoks, the Not-Ewoks keeping it real and unreal on 313 -- LoveThemPlanetZ peoplez plantz peaze pluz m GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] RE:[313] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
i'm sure if it was your home town with details of something new, you'd have a different perspective. sorry, but you don´t get me, do you ? I´m just having a very good laugh - look, much of the stuff in the selection is great and no word against Nottingham - respect 4 Nottingham-Castle. Nottingham-partys or Magic - it´s great, it´s 4 free and stuff ... but look at this once again - don´t you think that the selection is somehow a bit trendy (typical GB-style)? :D :D :D - An evening of new old synth pop, new wave, electro, disco nouveau ersatz funk through a wide-angle lens Playing the music of New Order . Kraftwerk . Fischerspooner . LFO Miss Kittin The Hacker . Grace Jones . Adult . i-f Gary Numan . Daniel Wang . DMX Krew . Cybotron Human League . Cabaret Voltaire . Ladytron . Pet Shop Boys Soft Cell . Felix Da Housecat . Dopplereffekt . Cameo Visage . Mantronix . Detroit Grand Pubahs . Radiohead -- LoveThemPlanetZ peoplez plantz peaze pluz m GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] every dog vol 3
btw, imho it seems like Mills writes his sleevenotes in German or perhaps French and then uses Babelfish to translate them into English. anyone else think this is likely? Maybe that´s the reason why I do understand it :D but more serious also to Stephen - (with most respect 4 your great passion and work on 2playa) I think it´s important to discuss all the art and ideas connected to the music too - if you talk about music and it´s very important not to isolate the music from the way the musicians want it to be presented, the context they present themselves in - Otherwise you come to that one philosophy: It´s only the music, that counts (which is simular 2 it´s only music) Yes, that is the philosophy for some artists but for some others, it´s NOT only about that - For some artists - the messages and emotional edits they put into their work by using special artwork and words is very important too - otherwise it would all be about white nameless labels - without any words - which would interesting too - but it ain´t like that I do even miss more (respectfull) discussions here sometimes about the meanings of words and the artwork connected to the music - But I can never agree with people taking that out - isolating ideas, messages, when they are there - and to dig a lil deeper - older 313-debates - it sometimes seemed to me, that some people don´t want to hear messages - especially, when it´s about the struggle of my people (Mike Grant) - kind of messages - it´s a shame 4 every one, but a crime 4 any white man to force to ignore messages like that - cauze that´s a part of the big problems on this planet m planetz2002 -- LoveThemPlanetZ peoplez plantz peaze pluz m GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] RE: every dog has it´s day
And yes - I could need someone correcting my mails - grammar and more :D m planetz2002 -- LoveThemPlanetZ peoplez plantz peaze pluz m GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] RE: every dog has it´s day
Mills made some great art many people here posting on the list would never ever !!! been able to make,. One reason why they couldn´t make it, is that they always do know what things should be like. Why shouldn´t Jeff Mills write down the things he wants to be connected to his music in the way he wants it to be written - yes - we want to talk about the ideas and visions we do have too here, and we like to talk about the Detroit-music and art, the things we love ... but please, let´s be more respectfull to the vision of the people, who are creating it especially to the artists, who are not in the mainstream-arena If they connect their art to anything, it might be a part of them who are making that music don´t break it upart, as long you ain´t sure it get´s done for commercial reasons if you say it´s completely unneccesary that´s your vision how things should be but don´t always tell, as if that´s the only way things should be like just read some of your comments again and think about it - i am really like the music mills but it got nothing to do with that. I personally think mills is being a bullshit artist because his writings sound a lot like your average guy trying to project intelligence through abstract CD liner rantings. Am I the only one who gets slightly irritated by people thanking God for their musical abilities? It's completely unnecessary. Besides, what the lord giveth, the lord taketh away. Makes no sense whatsoever. Unfortunately Mills influenced a whole generation of producers to put this sort of gibberish on the back of their album sleeves. hire a copywriter, and then you just get *insincere* whimsical stoned nonsense. (please see backs of countless '60's psychedelic-era albums with 'hip' notes from the band's manager etc.) -- LoveThemPlanetZ peoplez plantz peaze pluz m GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] every dog vol 3
what´s the problem ? interesting thoughts - written in a simple understandable way - don´t know if someone else would write down those thoughts - language will be moving along and the advanced definitions of how people should communicate - seperating the classes will be gone tommorow so why you worry about this ? m planetz2002 -- LoveThemPlanetZ peoplez plantz peaze pluz m GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] 2030????
shoutz out to those who are able to speak out the bitter words and send their scandalous thoughts without fear into the private-mailbox-space of the sweeties on 313 hey sweeties - your getting chewed up again :D m lvlptz2752 -- LoveThemPlanetZ peoplez plantz peaze pluz m Aufgepasst - jetzt viele 11 New WebHosting Pakete ohne Einrichtungsgebuehr + 1 Monat Grundgebuehrbefreiung! http://puretec.de/index.html?ac=OM.PU.PU003K00736T0492a - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] 2030????
any chance we can stop this now? no - here´s another one filling up your e-mail-account :D Think about it. Keep adding -1 to 100 and before long it is zero or even less! yeah calculating - that´s interesting - now, let´s say your lucky and still have all 32 teeth in your mouth - If you´re ONLY into sweeties, ooh boy, that ain´t good, didn´t the dentist tell you that?, you will end up without any and that just ain´t funky - and if you ain´t funky - you can´t be down with Detroit - (ok you can get yourself some extra ones - that´s funky) Whoaa - wasn´I weired 2 ? :F m lvlptz2887 -- LoveThemPlanetZ peoplez plantz peaze pluz m Aufgepasst - jetzt viele 11 New WebHosting Pakete ohne Einrichtungsgebuehr + 1 Monat Grundgebuehrbefreiung! http://puretec.de/index.html?ac=OM.PU.PU003K00736T0492a - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] friendly neighbours
only if they're gold teefs. that'd be even funkier than having 32 white teeth. should be, as long as no one wants to grab them serious - öhem - why should some people not say what they think here, as long as it´s Detroit related and it´s an individual statement built on some intersting thoughts ? WHY ? The list we´re subscribed to is not called: Detroits most friendly neighbours talk about the numbers of their collectable items and how to paint a picture of Richie on their nails etc .. The majority of e-mails here is far away from being too negative for me. I don´t have to cry all day long and am not having scary dreams at night but : TO BE EXPECTED to be ONLY positive is VERY disturbing - Listening to Detroit-music it doesn´t sound to me only like a whistling tune from and for the jogging-route of life - (and some might know jogging is not the exact same as dancing either) and - of course there should be love out there - love m -- LoveThemPlanetZ peoplez plantz peaze pluz m Aufgepasst - jetzt viele 11 New WebHosting Pakete ohne Einrichtungsgebuehr + 1 Monat Grundgebuehrbefreiung! http://puretec.de/index.html?ac=OM.PU.PU003K00736T0492a - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Meet me pics - Global reply
As for info about Slovenia, the link Diana posted is quite good... We're small.. we have just 2 million citizens, but we also have a HUGE techno scene... Hey.. remember.. Umek is slovenian too! :) It´s nice to hear and read about some not so often mentioned area and I am interested in your activities and music-culture but sorry - you are we ? when it comes to nations - my opinion is - f*** ANY nation f*** USA f*** England f*** Germsmany f*** ETC maybe some day it´s time to change that but not now - Detroit as a patriotic - territory hm - got to think about that one too :D don´t get me wrong - shoutz seb m -- LoveThemPlanetZ peoplez plantz peaze pluz m GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net GMX Tipp: Machen Sie Ihr Hobby zu Geld bei unserem Partner 11! http://profiseller.de/info/index.php3?ac=OM.PS.PS003K00596T0409a - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] curious?
yeah - kept wachin the list - like very much of the latest discussions - The only thing I may disagree with is people insulting others. We all have different opinions and perspectives. Let's keep it that way and try not to impose our beliefs on others and trying to make people feel dumb. this is a thin line and giving this thought the priotity can´t help in all situations I think it´s normal thing -when you have a opposite opinion to write so - and this might offend people I have a provocative example here, only to show you when your idea doesn´t bring any solution when you do have someone with a dumb idea sitting infront of you - what are you gonna do ? let´s say for example some nazi ? Will you say - hey, my opinion is - we´re all brothers on this planet - But you´re au right with your way of thinking ? Will you offend the one, who´s offending him ? I used to offend everybody and was of course meaning myself some time ago on the list - Thinking about this - maybe it was polarising - on the other side it´s obvious: When it comes to more political things and ideas of responsabilitys, leaving the consumers point, for some reasons some people on the list try to stop it straight away Cause they don´t want to hear any other opinions - I think compared to the massive amount of: Did you see Richie walking down the road ? I think he was buying some Phil Collins Remixes I don´t want to understand that and think this too strong fanism is getting no one no where - What I do like here for example is, when Mr Grant switchez in sometimes - The barrier of star and fan get´s crossed the discussions going on now seem interesting and when someone is over the limit, so what ? you can tell - and still keep the subject In every opinion there will be parts of manipulation, as it´s about communicating to other people, (beside yourself ;)) I like it getting flamed and I like it to flame sometimes when it´s about subjects, which often get avoided - would like to see more of that what was happening the last days - I know some other´s too - It´s about Detroit and Detroit Techno too differences are what make us (all of us) a limitless entity--taking all of our beliefs and combining them into one all-encompassing opinion. yep Keep 313ing everyone and let's express our limitless existence, here in this dimension, thru music! and the ideas with and behind the music too m lvlpz2983 -- LoveThemPlanetZ peoplez plantz peaze pluz m GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net GMX Tipp: Machen Sie Ihr Hobby zu Geld bei unserem Partner 11! http://profiseller.de/info/index.php3?ac=OM.PS.PS003K00596T0409a - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] curious?
okay. someone asked why so many people are on rich's nut sack. i replied with some pretty generic reasons in effort to spark a debate (and what a debate it is!) and now i'm spewing 'dumb ideas' and being compared to hitler. NO - I wasn´t saying that at all - (and I didn´t name Hitler) I was using an example, not meaning you not meaning anybody on the List was trying to prove that your liberal RULES won´t help out in every situation in life - to switch out the argument that there´s only the kind way of talking It´s not my opinion, that only friendly talk is good - I think you mainly are right that it shouldn´t become to personal on the List - but what about some PASSION ! cutting out harder thoughts won´t bring us the solution for them being there- reality is there and it´s not only a common fair ground for us I wouldn´t like to campare anyone on the list with Hitler - would be the LAST thing I´m thinking of - for sure - unless maybe ;D - Oh and about Richie - wouldn´t know any reason to go against him I heard some good things, did like his notes on the page during the Ford Fuces 2001 but some people here really go like oh I did see him smiling in my direction, when he was at the airport m lvlptz2387 how amusing! -- LoveThemPlanetZ peoplez plantz peaze pluz m GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net GMX Tipp: Machen Sie Ihr Hobby zu Geld bei unserem Partner 11! http://profiseller.de/info/index.php3?ac=OM.PS.PS003K00596T0409a - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] curious?
I found the notes on his webpage particularly amusing. It is funny how someone can denounce the event, while at the same time have a vending booth at the event raking in the $$$. I ´m not really into Mr Hawtins sound (from what I´ve heard) I still would like to say that this point is ridiculous - Of course all players at the DEMF were dealing with the snake somehow But - the situation did change during the last weeks with the firing of Mr craig and though Iwished and said here all the artist´s could have made the decision together not to play not to let the industry seperate them from their deeper spirits - your quote doesn´t hit the point, as the situation did change a lot - The nex thing is - your judging is based on a very simple model only using - guilty or not guilty - this is not the reality of life As soon as there´s a movement again - then it´s time to judge those working against it - but as long as the hidden izolation of the individualz - is so strong it´s another reality And in this reality Richie´s words against the festival were good - I think - (maybe it´s better to add this now ;D ) m lvlptz2873 -- LoveThemPlanetZ peoplez plantz peaze pluz m GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net GMX Tipp: Machen Sie Ihr Hobby zu Geld bei unserem Partner 11! http://profiseller.de/info/index.php3?ac=OM.PS.PS003K00596T0409a - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] 313-DRAMA - fighting you
DEMF-NEWS - THEY DON`T MOVE YOU ? I´m really horrified by the missing reactions and actions by many of you people on this list ! how slow - how weak - how passive can you go ? YOU ARE LIVING DEAD - COCKY SPEAKERS CYNICAL CONSUMERS - IGNORANT RECORD DEALERS ELITIST WRITERS - ARROGANT MUSICIANS SPAMING LABEL MANAGERS - SELFISH WEBDESIGNERS - you feel I´m talking to you ? YES ! - who´s giving me the right to say all this ? YOU ! - what am I doing myself for the situation ? F*** YOU ! - who am I to talk like this to you ? I AM NOBODY - JUST A VOICE ! m notenoughloveleftforthe313-list off -- GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] On Carl and Action
good luck stopping a million and a half people from coming would only need you and some artists to say NO - in case but what if those who had planet E Tshirts wore them say on Saturday or Sunday.. I think wearing t-shirts is too harmless to impress anyone just an idea-it's not meant to take one side or the other or fuel anymore drama.. but it might become a big DRAMA anyway - so the actions should be a bit more dramatic Taking a stand on a situation that you know nothing of seems kind of pointless to me. I say let the facts be found out. waiting - till it´s too late ? the question was: what could we do IN CASE ? SHOW THEM NOW - WE WILL RESIST IN CASE they do care, what´s happening on this list THEY ARE ON THE 313-LIST FOR THIS REASON ! if you won´t move, who else should do it ? the question in a few years might be again: who stole the soul ? - and - how did they do it ? many things happening now need people to give them some problemz, cauze it´s obvoius - THEY ARE READY FOR TAKING IT OVER - using various methods - 313 is the culture - YOU LOVE - you say ? ? ? m lvpltz2037 -- --- LoveThemPlanetZ peoplez plantz peaze pluz m -- www.vibrationz.org GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] U R - THE POWER
Well, that's all good in theory, but the problem with turning something popular, is that they don't need us anymore. private this is not about religionz but - don´t you stop believing even if we can´t move nothing in the end to try it is the only thing we always can do believing - can move any mountain be - leaving the isolation be a living thing m lvpltz2448 -- --- LoveThemPlanetZ peoplez plantz peaze pluz m -- GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] on planet e - Roy Ayers and Dego - think about a change
totally disagree with you on this front. this song is about the opression of african americans over the centuries and the ability to change the future by changing yourself. I know it´s not mainly about nature - though it´s about the nature of change I know the source ayers/kuti as well think about a change is the headline ;) loveless - with Ursula Rucker - great track about the killing of mother earth or think about Detroits Marvin Gaye what´s going on ? agreed on both fronts. they are environmentally and socially provocative compositions provocative ?? some more: much of good old music, from Roy Ayers, Minnie Ripperton to Stevie Wonder is a source for many musicians nowadays. Much of it was based on a movement INCLUDING the idea of thinking pro nature and to FEEL IT - the secret life of plants come to my garden les fleurs everybody loves the sunshine are some examples. Also do read this context, when Roy Ayers and Dego make music together. About loveless - how can you say lyrics are just lyrics ?? words create - peace and war - love and hate yesterday I was listening to some old PE again - and their lyrics used to CHANGE MY LIFE TECHNO - some simple words only written on the label of a record can say much - can make you think different - UR - read and understand many artist DO MEAN WHAT THEY SAY, even if some can´t hold the 100 % consequence, there are structures when you need to compromise, but it doesn´t mean you´re not allowed to move for a change ! - the new-DEMF-dimensions are a difficult subject But I´m just thinking of another question: Why is it, that so many people are trying to prove that people, who do want some changes, are wrong, not meaning it, aren´t straight themselves ... really seems to disturb some people what is the reason behind that ? What is this fear about ? Is it the fear to restart some lost dreams and ideas and loose them AGAIN ? or is it the fear of change, or the fear of a black planet ? think about it. sometimes a lyric is just a lyric. think about lyrics m PS: 4 Hero - parallel universe - did mean Detroit (like UR) - London (like THEM) -- --- LoveThemPlanetZ peoplez plantz peaze pluz m -- GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net
TRUTH IS SIMPLE
as long as the artist is down with Mercedes get down with Mercedes ? f+++ off If Mercedes Benz comes to me and wants to license a track for $10,000; wow 10:000 $ for being a funky chicken in the world-wide-WAR-business stop denying the responsability, it´s your´s Mercedes doesn´t only make high quality cars Mercedes is involved making high quality weapons for wars high quality weapons are making high quality people silent the pollution caused by cars is killing Planet 1 - oh yes - Planet 1 and Planet E Planet E - how does your name fit to Ford ? And Ford, what you´re doing for Planet E ? And Planet 313-people - What do you think you´re doing out here ? Is it about only music ? or is it about you ? - money and bullshit or truth and resistance ? TRUTH IS SIMPLE -- --- LoveThemPlanetZ peoplez plantz peaze pluz m -- GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net
RE: no more political crap
so, in respect to on topic (and others on the list...back to the music please. good trick ;) talking like a babysitter diana potts for planet1 ... ... but music can be political and much of detroit-music is political. It´s interesting you now call your headline no more political crap a strange way - bringing in the subject and taking it out again including the opposite message ? You started with the 313-not-related-BUSH-subject , when the political discussion before was related to the Detroit Electronic Music Festival - hmm SO IN RESPECT TO THE TOPIC (AND OTHERS ON THE LIST) if you would please allow us people to talk about detroit music politics too thanx m lvpltz2010 -- GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net
on planet e - Roy Ayers and Dego - think about a change
and personal attacks should be made private. Yes, you´re right ... sorry diana yes much of detroit's music IS politically oriented, but what tracks can you name that are totally parallel to the nature of the discussion? i can't name any. BUSH - FORD - OIL - quick xamples - here we go: planet e - 2000black - dego - 4hero - loveless - with Ursula Rucker - great track about the killing of mother earth or think about Detroits Marvin Gaye what´s going on ? in m LVPLTZ2098 -- GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net
RE: [313] Why Im Not Going To DEMF (Autechre)
Dear people would like to laugh with you - but why is that one so funny ? this joke is comparing black culture with farmer culture - - is that the joke about it ? - thanks, it ´s based on an old kind of joke-structure, creating a scurrile situation mixed with situations in real life, to make people and problems in reality look silly. In this case it wasn´t that crazy funky fresh and it was also focusing some serious statements about racism which did get reflected here on the list some weeks ago... try to understand: making jokes about it is destructive It´s good when people talk and keep saying their opinions about racism, cause this subject is difficult for many to talk about it, as it´s also about feelings like fear and hate and it´s about - you . always It would be great if people go to the DEMF and talk about it there over and over and over again ... it´s important to keep on talking, to learn, to realise, to stop and to avoid racism and for you to watch your own steps it´s a very strange move to start making jokes and to make people look silly in this case, even when you think it´s funny talk about it too, if you have something to say but stop making weak jokes about it I do wonder about your motivation to pick out those subjects for this master-piece of work with humor ? and beside all that, the joke was also making people look ridiculous, who are searching, trying to do something and facing some consequences as they are going through life realise - these people almost don´t exist in 2001 anymore It´s the era of new economy - no rules - no consequences but I guess you won´t listen anyway. ok, go ahead funnies. In the meantime let´s wait for some of you ending up in the never-economy. to those, who are too handy and bloated to move, yes you, keep on laughing - sarcasm is gonna f*ck you up m -- --- GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net
Re: [313] PUFF DADDY STEALS FROM WHITE ARTISTS!!!
Someone once said good artists borrow, great artists steal. this statement about stealing ... whoever made and used it ... it´s a dirty business world´s slogan... good to have subversive people bringing some fresh ideas like this on the list - - the list - isn´t it called 313 for a certain reason ? I really can´t see any reason to be overdosed with moby, puff daddys, or other prostitutes of the comedy-industry... - sorry bitches , for using your hard business for describing some less hard working people in whiteys blinding towers - don´t call them whites, whitey ... we finally found out the correct spelling is whiteys ... m whitey not whitey -- --- LoveThemPlanetZ peoplez plantz peaze pluz m -- GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net
the liberal main floor
RE: White boy stole gospel samples and makes mockery of oppression. This is a load of crap, with all the makings of bad religous overtones and racism galore. white boy is a white man - stop denying the problems of racism on this planet, calling the statement racism galore - It´s a reflection of your ignorance ! It won`t have any consequences for your life, so don´t call it racism ... and at the same time the fact it won´t have any consequences for your life is racism ! If it does move you, it´s not racism it´s only the reflection of racism racism means to ignore someone, who is telling you: you are killing us, when it´s true ... now you did make your statement - a step to move (was only the wrong direction) but what about the crazy collectors and mixing experts out here ? m LVPLTZ2010 -- --- LoveThemPlanetZ peoplez plantz peaze pluz m -- GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net
Re: [313] Re: RE-ARRANGE
Suburban Knight - There's No Way Out (Of The Groove) - Techno City Records 1989 Stephen. yeah it´s one of my alltime-faves ... BUT AGAIN: Let´s also talk about some of the other contents beside label-numbers transported with the music... politix, words, moods, artwork .. I believe ;) many of the tracks and artists which people do reflect here on this list also have some messages in their tunes to talk about... If it´s only seen in a postmodern way, as a lifestyle, not as a culture... ... we are dead It´s now on for over ten years many discussions get killed by some lifestyle-guards calling many thoughts of CHANGE - pc now this almost made us blind ... let´t wake up and start talking ... cauze as always - the time is now m LVPLTZ2001 -- --- LoveThemPlanetZ peoplez plantz peaze pluz m -- GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net
Re: [313] breaking point
view about the group as a whole...meaning, you (figuratively or course) make distinctions and exceptions for those you consider having some extra worth because they make good music, then you proceed to extract the parts of the music that do it for you... ... you're killing us! i mean hey if you're gonna support...support, but please stop rippin'...how do you know if you're true...if you have more black records than you know black people then you're probably a culprit... I just start wondering about how the communication here at the moment seems to prove this statement also on this list ... ... love to talk about records, but if someone would post something like you did, I would feel like an idiot, to talk about a track id ;) But I have to tell you, I did get many direct answers, but for some reasons they don´t go out on the list - did you also get some ? ...and I blamed myself for beeing white . and please never do this...this is more like it... I am f++ white and as long as so many white people are even to weak to talk about it .. it stays a shame I am.. at the same time I´m not white I have no colour I´m out here and still expecting more people with additional ideas or with other opinions about it. with every day there´s more blood on whiteys hand ... and whitey means people who do kill dirctly, but also those who are even to scared or remote to talk about it. come on 313-member you should have got some cold fingers now - warm them up m -- --- LoveThemPlanetZ peoplez plantz peaze pluz m -- -- GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net
breaking point
Moby was the subject for some time now: I wrote a message, which wouldn´t get on the list, maybe cauze I was using some radical statements without explanation ? I wrote that he was stealing from black music, being white making weak music... and I blamed myself for beeing white . Well I didn´t mean to say something against participating and making free music in techno-culture, unless it´s stolen they take it, fake it and break it ... I heard a moby song, maybe it was play, which must have climbed up in the charts (making lots of money) ,where he used some gospel kind of parts without the respect you should have, when you do sample, or use music of the black culture...created in a struggle for freedom ! In my ears he did use it in an arrogant way, maybe he didn´t meant to, but I think this happens, when you don´t have enough of respect and knowledge from the culture you´re stealing from... Yes, music should be free... and all who keep on fighting for this, have a good point... but this sometimes isn´t true... As this world is not free at all and some music is fighting for freedom, you shouln´t disrespect this music, when you do take out the message FOR FREEDOM this way ... If you deny the history and present this way, you´re acting like colonists, who don´t feel any problem for himself with the situation, so for him it doesn`t exist ? blaming the surface of my own colour of skin: I live in Germany and at the moment there´s a campaign of the conservatives I´m proud to be a german. You have to realize: In Germany there are some violent radical racists who do KILL PEOPLE in Germany 2001 Why is it, that many black people in the USA live in Ghettos ? Why is it a subject for many black artists also in Detroit ? So why is that ? Cause the situation is good for all people on this planet and all are the same making free music ? If you look at the world-situation, you´ll find out, that many problems are build on racism.. And those having the power are mainly white people and the powers for a change by them, are as weak, as the respect to black music in moby´s music. One way out is to break the identity you´re given by birth, but still to face the reality of your own surface and the role you´re playing .. how can anyone accept a culture, as long as it´s breaking others apart ??? thanx for all given and coming comments ... sorry for my english and still there´s more coming up ;) m LVPLTZ2001 -- --- LoveThemPlanetZ peoplez plantz peaze pluz m -- GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net
consequence
A forwarded message includinf reasons to leave mp3.com (also 313-artists ;)) written by the www.tokydawn.org: mp3.com changed their policies some days ago. Membership in the 'premium artist service' is now required to be able to take part in the 'payback for playback' (p4p) program. The 'Payback for playback' program divides a certain amount of money each month to the best performing artists (means the artists with the most downloads). P4P had a bitter taste right from the start since many people were cheating, trading and using bots to gain more downloads and thus more money. There have been a lot of discussions taking place on the artist-discussion-boards at mp3.com about the changes and it seems as if there is a vast amount of different opinions on the issue. After we discussed this matter internally, we decided to remove the tokyodawn pages from mp3.com. mp3.com has been ripping off its artists for some time now, but with this change the point has come for us to react, we as tokyodawn do not want to represent ourselves at mp3.com any longer. the biggest lie they tell us : mp3.com repeats over and over that it's a service site for musicians so they can present their music for free and without any cost. That is not true. mp3.com is a webportal for listeners who want free and legal mp3 music. So what they try to hide from us musicians : we deliver their content, the only reason for their existence, and their only way to earn any money. And as you may know, the web changed during the past years. Its no longer about how or why, its all about what. In this business, insane amounts of money are paid for content. Bill Gates pays loads of money for the exclusive rights to digitally publish pictures, drawings and photography with his corbis company. The whole TimeWarner/AOL (con)fusion took place only because AOL badly wanted the movies and music TimeWarner holds the copyright of. So, while all over the world people get paid for creating content, mp3.com does not pay a single cent for it and furthermore even betrays its content deliverers. First of all, they don't respect our work and copyright. If you sign up for mp3.com, you agree that mp3.com has the right to publish and sell all songs you ever uploaded there even if you broke the relationship with them a long time ago. This means that they can earn money with your old material if you become a famous popstar one day, although they actually never did anything for you. (except those peanuts with p4p maybe). (you dont believe this ? quick link : http://www.modplug.com/mods/newsdisplay.php3?session=art=143 the document this article talks about is still the recent one. Every artist who is signed up on mp3.com agrees to those terms.) Furthermore, mp3.com is as unimaginably greedy. What is it with that payback for playback program ? It has been some lousy 1 Million Dollar per month for all artists, that's about 150.000 of them. Now get an idea about the traffic they have, the amount of banners all over the place, the money they earn with selling information about the users to companies such as doubleclick, the spammail, all those partnerships and licensing programs. Try to imagine what amount of money is earned with that. The next thing is this DAM CD story. They get 50% of the price of a CD, fixed. Now why ? You can be sure that they will get their expense for manufacturing that CD even if you sell it for 6$. This means that an amount of 3$ is enough to produce a DAM CD. But since most people sell their CDs for a much higher price, they earn more money with those CDs, although they do not offer more value for you or your listener with this higher price. If a commercial CD-fabric would demand a higher price for making Ricky Martin CDs than for making Mouse on Mars CDs, they would not survive very long. mp3.com does exactly that. And the newest gimmick is back the band, some sort of micropayment system. People give you a dollar and mp3.com keeps 50 cent. They get 50% of each donation from your fans ! Why ? I guess it costs some 2 cents to direct the donated money to the right artist-account and this way mp3.com again earns money without doing anything for you or your listeners. And now they changed the rules for payback for playback. Most people wrote in the artist-forum of mp3.com yeah, it may cost 20 bucks, but the p4p is worth it. So what ? The Pot has been 1 Million before, but the difference is now that the artists pay themselves. If 50.000 people take part mp3.com earns 1 million dollar per month and instantly pays it back to the artists. Chances for mp3.com are good that this much people will take part, especially since those fake-payments took place. Artists suddenly got money through the p4p program, only some 3 or 4 bucks, but its obvious that mp3.com wants to tell them you see, it works. Most of these artists will never reach the 50$ which are needed to get the money finally
RE-ARRANGE
CHANGE (again;)) some people got it already - now rearranged for 313: I know it´s including some personal s***... still - think about it or even better talk/mail about it ... ... break it apart, or hook up on this for some collective moves... life and music-life can be more then collecting some record rarities and party-nights (although records and partys are cool) .. Re: [313] Oh Lordy... How many people on this list are reading from corporate accounts? mt corporate accounts - yeah, that´s a subject - server business - paid servers in golden cages righthow many of us do read this, while we do serve the new world order 2001... yes, we are a part of some really bad s***... I do work for money too and really don´t know the way out, try my best to build up some alternative structures, but still: Does someone know the way out of this groove ??? Detroit: I do look up to many of the Detroit artists and labels how they managed it and keep on releasing some of the best music of our time, keeping the content true and strong and make a living out of it too. What about talking, how we can try to use some of the methods some detroit-innovators used, keeping it real and if there are methods to move our butts for something better... Do look at UR for Xample - there are more subjects to talk about... Please again, those who are with it, let´s start thinking about a CHANGE (it´s 2001 black) m -- --- LoveThemPlanetZ peoplez plantz peaze pluz m -- GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net
Re: [313] nortroute playlist 21.02.2001
Dear Fixer, don´t know what other people on this list do think, but for me his charts do make sense in this List... as many people here post their advertising-stuff new mp3´s etc.. Some do write fanmails about people who take it fake it and break it. What they do play at nortroute does make sense to me on this list as the spirit of their selection ain´t no fake and there´s always some detroit-tune or flava in there ! If all the mails would be Detroit-Only I think you would be right But as this list is full of other stuff, and some of it is really bull, I do wonder why did you pick out this one ??? -- --- LoveThemPlanetZ peoplez plantz peaze pluz m -- www.gutbucket.de Sent through GMX FreeMail - http://www.gmx.net
puzzlebox ...
hello, could someone tell me, where I can order or buy the black electric 12 - puzzlebox 05 ? It ain´t available in shops around here ! m LoveThemPlanetZ people plants peace plus m www.gutbucket.de -- Sent through GMX FreeMail - http://www.gmx.net
