Re: [313] jeff mills stars again
Odeluga, Ken wrote: > It's always bemusing to realize how NARROW people are! First they want it > ALL harder harder, faster faster, no chords, no melodies, no vocals - now > it's gotta be a particular type of venue, perhaps with a particular type of > regular clientelle ... What next? Floor plan measurements? Standardized > drinks? Amen to that! You know things have gone horribly wrong when you hear a club owner talk about 'expectations management'... ... *shudder* ... Otto - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Phonopsia wrote: > Don't we want to see our favorite DJs in a setting > packed with purists who are all going nuts? Isn't this what made those > after-hours at DEMF 2 so special this year - in direct counterpoint to the > festival itself? Absolutely. Even though the HFF (High-Fidelity-Factor) of that particular moment was probably way off the scale, there's something to be said for at least five punters getting a simultaneous grin on their faces when Metro Area sneaked in a Lil' Louis sample during their liveset :) And the Trackmode/Sound Signatures party of course, but that one was in a league of its own anyway. I don't even know if that was a purist crowd, but if it was, it was purist in the good sense: looking for that pure groove. And boy, did we get it for six hours straight! Still smiling at the thought, Otto - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I'd agree that techno in London especially is dawdling but I think it really depends on what you want from a club night. The Nesh parties by Warp are fun, and in a sense a derivative of the scene from the late eighties. Certainly there isn't the excitement there once was. I was surprised by the lack of "special" atmosphere for Jeff's appearance at NYE - disappointing considering that Lost was meant to be one of THE clubs in the UK for techno. I suppose this is bound to happen when a "scene" has been carrying on for so long. People's expectations are dashed too often. - Original Message - From: Stuart Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: 313 (E-mail) <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 1:16 PM Subject: Re: [313] jeff mills stars again I'm with Nicole on this one. The London techno scene is dying a death. There 's only about 3 or so half decent techno nights going on & even then it could be so much better. It's either hard loops to bang yer head against the wall to or this tech house malarkey which was alright to start off with but it's all getting as samey as the hard loops stuff (though obviously it's a completely different style). Whenever I go out nowadays the music just seems to bore me stupid & judging by the attendances at such nights in London I'm not the only one. Whatever happened to plain good old fashioned techno music with funk & soul. It's just not the same as it used to be. Oh & before anyone pulls me up on it I realize I may well have made some pretty large generalizations here but when you take it to the bottom line it's not really that healthy over here is it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Im with Nicole on this one. The London techno scene is dying a death. There s only about 3 or so half decent techno nights going on & even then it could be so much better. Its either hard loops to bang yer head against the wall to or this tech house malarkey which was alright to start off with but its all getting as samey as the hard loops stuff (though obviously its a completely different style). Whenever I go out nowadays the music just seems to bore me stupid & judging by the attendances at such nights in London Im not the only one. Whatever happened to plain good old fashioned techno music with funk & soul. Its just not the same as it used to be. Oh & before anyone pulls me up on it I realize I may well have made some pretty large generalizations here but when you take it to the bottom line its not really that healthy over here is it.
Re: [313] Jeff Mills stars again
From: Samuel Hobbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] Jeff Mills stars again Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 12:22:17 -0800 (PST) I can't imagine a painter being forced to express him/herself using only green. i can't expect a writer to be able to express her/himself only using verbs. i don't know about people's personal experiences while listening to jeff mills play out, but having seen him play as the Wizard last february, and hearing him play as jeff mills after derrick may in november, I am able to cast my vote. As the Wizard, jeff played techno, house, disco, hip-hop, r&b, electro-bass. he seemed like he had fun behind the decks. when he played after derrick may he played hard techno and some house all night. when he played as the wizard, I had more fun, danced harder, and was simply mesmerized by the Wizard show. I wish more dj's didn't feel restricted by genres and felt more free to play what they wanted. i hope that he plays in the us more and specifically more in detroit. i hope that when he plays he isn't restricted by the reputation or "genre-fication" of the venue he is playing. i hope that people let him as an artist and dj do what he wants. i would put money on the fact that if you take a step back and lower your own guard, you will again be mesmerized. -sam - Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions Great stuff seeking new owners! Bid now! Dear all I reckon you hit the nail on the head in your comparison between Mr Mills and Mr May, and I'm sure a lot of people would agree with me, Mr Mills is indeed restricted by his reputation and thus perhaps his imagination. Mr May on the other hand is never one to be short of words, nor for that matter one shy to express his opinion. This is reflected in his choice of music and his ability to entertain, as well as educate a crowd of people. If anybody deserves a more diverse audience it is certainly he. All this hero worship does nothing to improve the music scene and if anything inflates egos to such a level as is displayed in most of the traffic displayed on these pages in the last few months. Just to clarify Mr Mills is an excellent DJ and has inspired many, but politics in house music, lets leave that to those insecure megalomaniacs that run our governments. Ultimately no individual is greater than the art or whatever artform they aspire to. I hope this stimulates some interesting debate and perhaps we can then enjoy the music rather than idolising false gods. Cheers Shosh ;©) _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I think as has been mentioned, that the whole jeff mills debacle is a manifestation of UK frustration. I personally would go and see Mills anywhere and at this point fail to see how the techno nights that claim to support 'quality' music have done him or other US dj's such a great service. Sure, they still bring us Detroit djs, but at a price. As someone who has been going to Lost and other such nights, I am tired of the prescribed music that is as funkless as it gets. One has only to sit through 3hrs of Steve Bicknell playing the most mundane techno sets in the world to see how djs and clubbers could get fed up. Even guest dj's tend to skew their sets towards this, leaving most us sitting on the sidelines wondering why we bothered. i'm tired of feeling like a punter. i'm sure jeff mills is tired of playing in places where frankly the organisers are not as committed as they seem, using his name and others as a vehicle for their own (limited) success. As a result, the crowd becomes less open to innovation and techno is shot in the foot. i'm sure i will be rebuked for this. London techno nights have many followers. But if somebody doesn't make changes, techno in London will become like hard house, superficial and meaningless. let jeff mills play where he likes, as long as the music is good; and i'm pretty sure it will be. -Original Message- From: robin pinning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: 313@hyperreal.org <313@hyperreal.org> Date: 28 January 2002 14:32 Subject: Re: [313] jeff mills stars again >> In conclusion, I'll leave you with this thought. Wouldn't you rather have >> Jeff as the biggest DJ in the world as compared to Oakie, Jules, Sasha, >> Diggers, and the rest of them that seem to get ink every month in Mixmag, >> Ministry, and Muzik? > >unless he changes what he plays that just ain't gonna happen... > >his music is just too challenging for most people who go to the big >"house" clubs (in the UK at least). > >actually this whole discussion is UK centric is it not? > >can you see Mills replacing Tenaglia in any club in the US? > >in terms of club culture in the UK: i think big things are around the >corner and detroit will play a part in that (yes i am on topic for 313). >finally it appears people want funk in their techno (it attracts the >girls to clubs at least :) ) and tech-house, funky techno and all these >other lame genres are a symptom of this. techno is on the up, and it is >the varied detroit approach that is looking more favoured. IMO! > > >in terms of Mills tho: i agree with what kent has said. if Jeff isn't >feeling it in techno clubs it's up to him where he plays. if the knock on >effect is alienating his past fans (which is not that likely) that's more >or less a financial decision on his part and if he is in a position where >he can do that then cool. > > >robin... > > >- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] Jeff Mills stars again
I can't imagine a painter being forced to express him/herself using only green. i can't expect a writer to be able to express her/himself only using verbs. i don't know about people's personal experiences while listening to jeff mills play out, but having seen him play as the Wizard last february, and hearing him play as jeff mills after derrick may in november, I am able to cast my vote. As the Wizard, jeff played techno, house, disco, hip-hop, r&b, electro-bass. he seemed like he had fun behind the decks. when he played after derrick may he played hard techno and some house all night. when he played as the wizard, I had more fun, danced harder, and was simply mesmerized by the Wizard show. I wish more dj's didn't feel restricted by genres and felt more free to play what they wanted. i hope that he plays in the us more and specifically more in detroit. i hope that when he plays he isn't restricted by the reputation or "genre-fication" of the venue he is playing. i hope that people let him as an artist and dj do what he wants. i would put money on the fact that if you take a step back and lower your own guard, you will again be mesmerized. -sam - Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions Great stuff seeking new owners! Bid now!
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I've got no real problem with Fabric. One of the best nights I've had in years was with Technasia, Aril Brikha and Kevin Saunderson back in August. I'd be the first to agree that some of the clientele were there purely because of what it was rather than who was playing, but overall the atmosphere was v.good. As someone else mentioned, the sound in there is phenomenal and to be honest that can have, IMHO, a big difference on the quality of the night. - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: seth redmond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [313] jeff mills stars again > > I think you're off the mark with Bugged Out - I've only been to Bugged Out > at Nation once and it had a great line-up (hence me travelling from London > to go to it) with a superb atmosphere and Bugged Out nights at Fabric were > the best nights they had there. > > What is > more, clubs like Orbit, Voodoo, Atomic Jam etc will also charge the punters > a clear tenner less than Fabric. > > Atomic Jam £13:50 > Fabric £12:00 > ? > > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> "looped bangers" - now there's an expression! well it's fairly accurate wouldn't you say? of course it's a massive generalisation, which you'll have to excuse :) robin... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I think you're off the mark with Bugged Out - I've only been to Bugged Out at Nation once and it had a great line-up (hence me travelling from London to go to it) with a superb atmosphere and Bugged Out nights at Fabric were the best nights they had there. What is more, clubs like Orbit, Voodoo, Atomic Jam etc will also charge the punters a clear tenner less than Fabric. Atomic Jam £13:50 Fabric £12:00 ? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> "looped bangers" - now there's an expression! industrial trance -- DISCLAIMER De gemeente Almelo aanvaardt voor haar medewerkers geen enkele aansprakelijkheid voor eventueel onjuist, onrechtmatig of ontoelaatbaar geacht gebruik van e-mail (inclusief bijlagen). Dit e-mail bericht is door de gemeente Almelo gecontroleerd op de aanwezigheid van eventuele virussen. Wij kunnen echter geen garantie afgeven dat al onze e-mail berichten volledig virus vrij zijn. Het is daarom verstandig uw binnenkomende e-mail berichten zelf op de mogelijke aanwezigheid van virussen te controleren. -- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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"looped bangers" - now there's an expression! - Original Message - From: robin pinning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Cc: Cyclone Wehner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 3:08 PM Subject: Re: [313] jeff mills stars again > > > > > Yeah, Jeff playing a house set was what we heard last year - amazing. It was > > > very diverse, still very Mills, it wasn't like he busted out Groovejet. He > > > played techno, electro, all kinds of cool things. I think he even played > > > Moodymann? Because it was in a club environment a lot of different people > > > came and really enjoyed it - it was an epiphany for them too. It was a great > > > atmosphere. Have faith! > > > > yeah so jeff playing a techno set is jeff playing a big range not just > > looped bangers (ok he plays looped bangers like no-one else but it narrows > > down the audience as we've dicussed)... > > my bad: i meant jeff doing a "house" set... > > oops > > robin... > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > Yeah, Jeff playing a house set was what we heard last year - amazing. It was > > very diverse, still very Mills, it wasn't like he busted out Groovejet. He > > played techno, electro, all kinds of cool things. I think he even played > > Moodymann? Because it was in a club environment a lot of different people > > came and really enjoyed it - it was an epiphany for them too. It was a great > > atmosphere. Have faith! > > yeah so jeff playing a techno set is jeff playing a big range not just > looped bangers (ok he plays looped bangers like no-one else but it narrows > down the audience as we've dicussed)... my bad: i meant jeff doing a "house" set... oops robin... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> Yeah, Jeff playing a house set was what we heard last year - amazing. It was > very diverse, still very Mills, it wasn't like he busted out Groovejet. He > played techno, electro, all kinds of cool things. I think he even played > Moodymann? Because it was in a club environment a lot of different people > came and really enjoyed it - it was an epiphany for them too. It was a great > atmosphere. Have faith! yeah so jeff playing a techno set is jeff playing a big range not just looped bangers (ok he plays looped bangers like no-one else but it narrows down the audience as we've dicussed)... wow i look forward to seeing the new Mills, oh wait i'll have to buy some posh clothes to do it in the UK. damn. robin... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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A few years ago Jeff Mills said he would never play again in Amsterdam after he had some bad experiences there. He didn't play there for about one year, now he plays on a regualr basis on really hughe parties around Amsterdam... Just wait and see what happens, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > in terms of club culture in the UK: i think big things are around the > corner and detroit will play a part in that (yes i am on > topic for 313). > finally it appears people want funk in their techno (it attracts the > girls to clubs at least :) ) and tech-house, funky techno and > all these > other lame genres are a symptom of this. techno is on the up, > and it is > the varied detroit approach that is looking more favoured. IMO! > > > in terms of Mills tho: i agree with what kent has said. if Jeff isn't > feeling it in techno clubs it's up to him where he plays. if > the knock on > effect is alienating his past fans (which is not that likely) > that's more > or less a financial decision on his part and if he is in a > position where > he can do that then cool. -- DISCLAIMER De gemeente Almelo aanvaardt voor haar medewerkers geen enkele aansprakelijkheid voor eventueel onjuist, onrechtmatig of ontoelaatbaar geacht gebruik van e-mail (inclusief bijlagen). Dit e-mail bericht is door de gemeente Almelo gecontroleerd op de aanwezigheid van eventuele virussen. Wij kunnen echter geen garantie afgeven dat al onze e-mail berichten volledig virus vrij zijn. Het is daarom verstandig uw binnenkomende e-mail berichten zelf op de mogelijke aanwezigheid van virussen te controleren. -- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> In conclusion, I'll leave you with this thought. Wouldn't you rather have > Jeff as the biggest DJ in the world as compared to Oakie, Jules, Sasha, > Diggers, and the rest of them that seem to get ink every month in Mixmag, > Ministry, and Muzik? unless he changes what he plays that just ain't gonna happen... his music is just too challenging for most people who go to the big "house" clubs (in the UK at least). actually this whole discussion is UK centric is it not? can you see Mills replacing Tenaglia in any club in the US? in terms of club culture in the UK: i think big things are around the corner and detroit will play a part in that (yes i am on topic for 313). finally it appears people want funk in their techno (it attracts the girls to clubs at least :) ) and tech-house, funky techno and all these other lame genres are a symptom of this. techno is on the up, and it is the varied detroit approach that is looking more favoured. IMO! in terms of Mills tho: i agree with what kent has said. if Jeff isn't feeling it in techno clubs it's up to him where he plays. if the knock on effect is alienating his past fans (which is not that likely) that's more or less a financial decision on his part and if he is in a position where he can do that then cool. robin... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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'Hypocrite' wrote: >it's total bollocks but after thinking last night i'm still gonna >have to go check out his new (not)techno style. he must've >bought a whole new collection of records recently, that's all i'm saying. > > >hypocrite Exactly! You'll go anyway! And Gatecrasher not being in London is the only reason I'd contemplate not going ... apart from that, aren't you intrigued?!? 'JM plays a house set' has got to be the best house set for miles around surely? Perhaps it's time to stop being churlish and accept progress when it's inevitable: Did you see JM at lost NYE? Films? Exclusive 'Space' arty crowd etc? It was more Islington than Brixton! But I enjoyed it ... Things have to move on and people too ... we're all getting older. If we are to maintain our love of all this and all it entails we need to discover deeper ways of appreciating it - or else Detroit's gonna seem like a long way away from anything really important. Ways that aren't dependent on a particular type of venue, a certain artificial 'downshifter' attitude - which you can falsify yourself by discovering how many public school types there are in most crowds of tech-heads ... By the way Sunship ... I make that number 50. >-Original Message- >From: innercity records [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 9:39 AM >To: Cyclone Wehner; 313@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [313] jeff mills stars again > > >what's gonna stop the diehard fan going to fabric >is the fact that jeff's saying his music isn't techno >anymore and that's gonna piss alot of people off. >the club when he plays is simply gonna be full of >media types and club regulars who may show a >passing interest in his set until he drops something >from waveform transmissions. then watch the room clear. > >a greater diversity of people at house clubs? i was at >our local techno club on saturday there were nearly as many >girls as boys ages 16 to 40+ wearing anything from t shirt and >jeans to ladies in dinner dresses. the music was deep house >to electro and hard funky techno. >what got played at tribal sessions on friday? prog house for 8 hours. > >to some of the london people who've reseponded to this. >would you still be saying the same if he'd chosen tribal sessions >and gatecrasher? > >it's total bollocks but after thinking last night i'm still gonna >have to go check out his new (not)techno style. he must've >bought a whole new collection of records recently, that's all i'm saying. > > >hypocrite > > > > > > > > > > > > >- Original Message - >From: Cyclone Wehner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: 313 Detroit <313@hyperreal.org> >Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 6:55 AM >Subject: Re: [313] jeff mills stars again > > >> That's what I was trying to raise. That depends on the nature of 'techno' >> clubs in the UK. There are some great techno clubs in the UK, I am sure, >> with The End, etc and they are important. But we have had the same things >> here with techno clubs - they become very hard, they become very >> male-centric, everyone even wears the same kind of clothes, it's an >> intimidating enviroment maybe and it's predictable, which is not a >'techno' >> attribute. The DJs are then expected to play a certain kind of techno. I >> have seen that happen here as well. Here techno clubs can be very Anglo, >> too. I am not saying this doesn't happen to house clubs, but there is a >> great diversity of people, across the gender and sexual spectrum, even >> across the ethnic spectrum. What is stopping a techno diehard going to >> Fabric, really? That is another question you have to ask. It could be as >> simple as Mills wanting to break down barriers and switch things up a >> little. He's always been 10 steps ahead of us. There is probably an >> interesting reason behind it. >> >> -- >> >From: "Odeluga, Ken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >To: Dan Sicko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "[EMAIL PROTECTED] Org" ><313@hyperreal.org> >> >Subject: RE: [313] jeff mills stars again >> >Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 6:07 PM >> > >> >> >What IS a 'House Club' anyway? Is it's 'housiness' defined by size, >style(s) >> >of music which prevail there, or just the fact that it's a sort of >generic >> >night club, frequented by young(ish) people ... with a preference for >'dance >> >music' (another problematic term) as
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what's gonna stop the diehard fan going to fabric is the fact that jeff's saying his music isn't techno anymore and that's gonna piss alot of people off. the club when he plays is simply gonna be full of media types and club regulars who may show a passing interest in his set until he drops something from waveform transmissions. then watch the room clear. a greater diversity of people at house clubs? i was at our local techno club on saturday there were nearly as many girls as boys ages 16 to 40+ wearing anything from t shirt and jeans to ladies in dinner dresses. the music was deep house to electro and hard funky techno. what got played at tribal sessions on friday? prog house for 8 hours. to some of the london people who've reseponded to this. would you still be saying the same if he'd chosen tribal sessions and gatecrasher? it's total bollocks but after thinking last night i'm still gonna have to go check out his new (not)techno style. he must've bought a whole new collection of records recently, that's all i'm saying. hypocrite - Original Message - From: Cyclone Wehner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: 313 Detroit <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 6:55 AM Subject: Re: [313] jeff mills stars again > That's what I was trying to raise. That depends on the nature of 'techno' > clubs in the UK. There are some great techno clubs in the UK, I am sure, > with The End, etc and they are important. But we have had the same things > here with techno clubs - they become very hard, they become very > male-centric, everyone even wears the same kind of clothes, it's an > intimidating enviroment maybe and it's predictable, which is not a 'techno' > attribute. The DJs are then expected to play a certain kind of techno. I > have seen that happen here as well. Here techno clubs can be very Anglo, > too. I am not saying this doesn't happen to house clubs, but there is a > great diversity of people, across the gender and sexual spectrum, even > across the ethnic spectrum. What is stopping a techno diehard going to > Fabric, really? That is another question you have to ask. It could be as > simple as Mills wanting to break down barriers and switch things up a > little. He's always been 10 steps ahead of us. There is probably an > interesting reason behind it. > > ------ > >From: "Odeluga, Ken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: Dan Sicko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "[EMAIL PROTECTED] Org" <313@hyperreal.org> > >Subject: RE: [313] jeff mills stars again > >Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 6:07 PM > > > > >What IS a 'House Club' anyway? Is it's 'housiness' defined by size, style(s) > >of music which prevail there, or just the fact that it's a sort of generic > >night club, frequented by young(ish) people ... with a preference for 'dance > >music' (another problematic term) as opposed to thrash metal (or something.) > > > >What I'm getting at is that I fail to see what material difference will be > >made to Mr Mills' prediliction to play in any particular type of club by any > >such 'pronouncement' (if he did indeed make it) that he will now, only play > >in 'House Clubs'. > > > >Business as usual then Jeff, great. > > > >>-Original Message- > >>From: Dan Sicko [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 4:56 AM > >>To: innercity records; 313@hyperreal.org > >>Subject: Re: [313] jeff mills stars again > >> > >> > >>>so why is he now restricting himself to house clubs? > >> > >>why are we restricting clubs to one style or the other? > >> > >>this is the first I've heard of Jeff 's announcement, but I'm sure > >>he'd shake things up no matter what the label hanging outside the > >>club. > >> > >>-d > >> > >>- > >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > > > >- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>By opting for the expensive, commercial end of the industry, Mills is >neglecting the promoters and fans who have fought long and hard to convince >him to return to England. > >To suggest that this is about the gender bias in clubs is naieve, >ill-informed bullshit. It's actually coming from the DJs themselves! All the Brit techno DJs have stated as much openly here on tours. :) The drum 'n' bass guys same the same of drum 'n' bass clubs. I take in all the info I am told. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sorry, but how many of these clubs have you actually been to? Not only does the Orbit have a fine sound system, and facilities which elicit few complaints; most importantly it has a crowd who have a clue. Who go to see the DJ rather than to say they've been to Fabric / Bugged Out / Whatever, and who will understand what it is Jeff's trying to do. What is more, clubs like Orbit, Voodoo, Atomic Jam etc will also charge the punters a clear tenner less than Fabric. I had an interesting conversation with James Pennington a few months back about the crowds in Bugged Out (based at Cream lest we forget) compared to Voodoo when he played (clueless fuckwits was, I think, what we settled on). Both clubs are in Liverpool, both supplied much the same standards of accomodation, etc; but if he'd stopped the music and played Cosmic Cars in Voodoo, people would have done more than stop and stare... By opting for the expensive, commercial end of the industry, Mills is neglecting the promoters and fans who have fought long and hard to convince him to return to England. To suggest that this is about the gender bias in clubs is naieve, ill-informed bullshit. -s P.S. Hi, Paul, How's it going? _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Yeah, Jeff playing a house set was what we heard last year - amazing. It was very diverse, still very Mills, it wasn't like he busted out Groovejet. He played techno, electro, all kinds of cool things. I think he even played Moodymann? Because it was in a club environment a lot of different people came and really enjoyed it - it was an epiphany for them too. It was a great atmosphere. Have faith! The same promoter, Hardware, is having Ian Pooley play a five hour set at a really small club Honkytonks next Friday after a big rave this weekend. This way the DJ gets to go out on a limb a bit. He can play whatever he likes. It's about thinking beyond the square. I am happy about these developments. We stilll don't know the veracity of these reports, so this is all hypothetical anyway. -- >From: "Toby Frith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "Odeluga, Ken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Phonopsia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "[EMAIL PROTECTED] Org" <313@hyperreal.org> >Subject: Re: [313] jeff mills stars again >Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 8:54 PM > >I can't really see what all the fuss is about to be honest. Musicians are >meant to mature aren't they? > >I can understand that some people, especially techno fans, will be >disappointed that they can't see probably the finest DJ that the genre has >produced, playing what we like, but I think his presence is something of a >double-edged sword. > >For us in the UK, especially those who went to Lost circa 94-97 (I was late >to the cause) he was phenomenal, like nothing else ever heard, but when he >wasn't there we all knew that it wasn't the same without him. NYE @ Lost in >December was a timely reminder. > >Mills is so prevalent to techno in the UK and Europe that he casts a huge >shadow over other artists. Too many other DJs following him have tried >(unsuccessfully) to imitate him, both in DJ styles and artistically, and >although some are perhaps technically equivalent, none have had the same >impact. It would be great if someone can really step out of the shadows and >take over his mantle. > >Personally I'd love to hear a house style set from him, it's always >interesting to see DJs try other things (although playing a House set isn't >exactly experimental - a HipHop set from him would be) > > >- Original Message - >From: Odeluga, Ken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: Phonopsia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Org ><313@hyperreal.org> >Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 9:16 AM >Subject: RE: [313] jeff mills stars again > > >> So now we're more likely to see Mills at Fabric than say, Vauxhall Bridge >> Road ... >> >> I think it's positive myself. >> >> Fabric is big, clean modern, with modern facilities which work as they're >> supposed to, rather than how they're described on the flyer - like aircon >& >> toilets - unisex! Fabric has >> management with brains so no dangerous overcrowding and well-behaved >> gorillas on the door. The soundsystem is 'boom' as some of us say. >Contrast >> with the average so called 'Techno Club' (a misnomer surely?): Old, dirty; >> the soundsystem's just as old and sounds just as dirty. The latter aren't >> necessarily any cheaper - you pay close to £20 in London for entrance to >> almost any club nowadays ... Also I fail to see how only playing 'House >> Clubs' excludes places like The End - the original 'House Club' in >London - >> and also a veritable Temple To Techno - and Drum & Bass & Speed Garage & >Nu >> School Breax h strangely, not Euro-Trance though ... :o) >> >> >-Original Message- >> >From: Phonopsia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2002 9:08 PM >> >To: innercity records; 313 >> >Subject: Re: [313] jeff mills stars again >> > >> > >> >While this is surely dissapointing for those in the UK, don't forget he >> >hasn't played in the US outside of NYC (a handful of times) and Detroit >> >(twice?) over the last few years if I'm not mistaken. He's a hard >> >man to see >> >outside of continental Europe. >> > >> >Tristan >> >-- >> >http://www.mp313.com <- Music >> >http://www.metrotechno.net <- DC techno + more >> >http://www.metatrackstudios.com <- DC DJ/Production studios >> >http://phonopsia.tripod.com <- Hub >> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] <- email >> > <- AOL Instant Messenger >> > >> >- Original M
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I can't really see what all the fuss is about to be honest. Musicians are meant to mature aren't they? I can understand that some people, especially techno fans, will be disappointed that they can't see probably the finest DJ that the genre has produced, playing what we like, but I think his presence is something of a double-edged sword. For us in the UK, especially those who went to Lost circa 94-97 (I was late to the cause) he was phenomenal, like nothing else ever heard, but when he wasn't there we all knew that it wasn't the same without him. NYE @ Lost in December was a timely reminder. Mills is so prevalent to techno in the UK and Europe that he casts a huge shadow over other artists. Too many other DJs following him have tried (unsuccessfully) to imitate him, both in DJ styles and artistically, and although some are perhaps technically equivalent, none have had the same impact. It would be great if someone can really step out of the shadows and take over his mantle. Personally I'd love to hear a house style set from him, it's always interesting to see DJs try other things (although playing a House set isn't exactly experimental - a HipHop set from him would be) - Original Message - From: Odeluga, Ken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Phonopsia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Org <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 9:16 AM Subject: RE: [313] jeff mills stars again > So now we're more likely to see Mills at Fabric than say, Vauxhall Bridge > Road ... > > I think it's positive myself. > > Fabric is big, clean modern, with modern facilities which work as they're > supposed to, rather than how they're described on the flyer - like aircon & > toilets - unisex! Fabric has > management with brains so no dangerous overcrowding and well-behaved > gorillas on the door. The soundsystem is 'boom' as some of us say. Contrast > with the average so called 'Techno Club' (a misnomer surely?): Old, dirty; > the soundsystem's just as old and sounds just as dirty. The latter aren't > necessarily any cheaper - you pay close to £20 in London for entrance to > almost any club nowadays ... Also I fail to see how only playing 'House > Clubs' excludes places like The End - the original 'House Club' in London - > and also a veritable Temple To Techno - and Drum & Bass & Speed Garage & Nu > School Breax h strangely, not Euro-Trance though ... :o) > > >-Original Message- > >From: Phonopsia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2002 9:08 PM > >To: innercity records; 313 > >Subject: Re: [313] jeff mills stars again > > > > > >While this is surely dissapointing for those in the UK, don't forget he > >hasn't played in the US outside of NYC (a handful of times) and Detroit > >(twice?) over the last few years if I'm not mistaken. He's a hard > >man to see > >outside of continental Europe. > > > >Tristan > >-- > >http://www.mp313.com <- Music > >http://www.metrotechno.net <- DC techno + more > >http://www.metatrackstudios.com <- DC DJ/Production studios > >http://phonopsia.tripod.com <- Hub > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] <- email > > <- AOL Instant Messenger > > > >- Original Message - > >From: "innercity records" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: <313@hyperreal.org> > >Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2002 2:56 PM > >Subject: [313] jeff mills stars again > > > > > >we just heard that jeff's quitting (quit?) techno and > >in future will only play house clubs with dates > >this year at fabric and the god awful tribal sessions > >in manchester. > > > >he's totally blown out the uk's most important clubs > >orbit, lost, slam and atomic jam after constant assurances > >that he'd be touring uk this year. > > > >if he feels the need to take his sound to another new > >audience then fair play but to turn his back on what > >he's best known for really beggars belief. > > > >i for one won't be putting on me best shiny shoes and > >sparkly shirt and paying £20 to see him while in the > >company of a bunch of clueless fashion victims who > >are probably in the club only to prance around to > >some overrated, under skilled + massively overpaid > >superstar "tech" dj. > > > >after 3 years of not playing the uk due to his bollocks > >immigraion excuse this is how he repays his long time > >fans and followers who've spent countless money on > >his records and hours queing in the rain t
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So now we're more likely to see Mills at Fabric than say, Vauxhall Bridge Road ... I think it's positive myself. Fabric is big, clean modern, with modern facilities which work as they're supposed to, rather than how they're described on the flyer - like aircon & toilets - unisex! Fabric has management with brains so no dangerous overcrowding and well-behaved gorillas on the door. The soundsystem is 'boom' as some of us say. Contrast with the average so called 'Techno Club' (a misnomer surely?): Old, dirty; the soundsystem's just as old and sounds just as dirty. The latter aren't necessarily any cheaper - you pay close to £20 in London for entrance to almost any club nowadays ... Also I fail to see how only playing 'House Clubs' excludes places like The End - the original 'House Club' in London - and also a veritable Temple To Techno - and Drum & Bass & Speed Garage & Nu School Breax h strangely, not Euro-Trance though ... :o) >-Original Message- >From: Phonopsia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2002 9:08 PM >To: innercity records; 313 >Subject: Re: [313] jeff mills stars again > > >While this is surely dissapointing for those in the UK, don't forget he >hasn't played in the US outside of NYC (a handful of times) and Detroit >(twice?) over the last few years if I'm not mistaken. He's a hard >man to see >outside of continental Europe. > >Tristan >-- >http://www.mp313.com <- Music >http://www.metrotechno.net <- DC techno + more >http://www.metatrackstudios.com <- DC DJ/Production studios >http://phonopsia.tripod.com <- Hub >[EMAIL PROTECTED] <- email > <- AOL Instant Messenger > >- Original Message - >From: "innercity records" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <313@hyperreal.org> >Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2002 2:56 PM >Subject: [313] jeff mills stars again > > >we just heard that jeff's quitting (quit?) techno and >in future will only play house clubs with dates >this year at fabric and the god awful tribal sessions >in manchester. > >he's totally blown out the uk's most important clubs >orbit, lost, slam and atomic jam after constant assurances >that he'd be touring uk this year. > >if he feels the need to take his sound to another new >audience then fair play but to turn his back on what >he's best known for really beggars belief. > >i for one won't be putting on me best shiny shoes and >sparkly shirt and paying £20 to see him while in the >company of a bunch of clueless fashion victims who >are probably in the club only to prance around to >some overrated, under skilled + massively overpaid >superstar "tech" dj. > >after 3 years of not playing the uk due to his bollocks >immigraion excuse this is how he repays his long time >fans and followers who've spent countless money on >his records and hours queing in the rain to go hear >him spin. > >i don't think i'd actually be as angry over any other dj >doing this which just shows the kind of admiration this >guy has over here and i'm sure it'll be the same for >many others. > >simple reply of course is for all us to turn our back >to him and stop buying his music and going to his >club dates. it works both ways. > >pure arrogance (again) > > >innercity. > > > > > > > > > >. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I think that even if most of us have issues with taking out our frustrations about techno-accepatance-at-large on Jeff Mills, we can understand Paul's frustration that his favortie DJ is (supposedly) turning his back on underground venues in his home country after a three year absence. Isn't this the same beef we heard about Mills in the US on this list forever until he came back to Detroit this year? Why should Paul's feelings be any different if he's invested as much of himself in Mills as many of the people who were upset about not seeing him in Detroit? I for one don't have nearly as good a time at "the big venues" as I do at more intimate places. If there is any truth to this rumor, I can see where Paul's coming from, even if we have no right to "dictate" what Jeff Mills should or should not do. Don't we want to see our favorite DJs in a setting packed with purists who are all going nuts? Isn't this what made those after-hours at DEMF 2 so special this year - in direct counterpoint to the festival itself? Can't we see where he's coming from even if we can also sympathize with Mills' own creative drirection? To me, this feels like a beef with the scene directed at its leader - which if not fair, seems understandable given the dissapointment, especially after a three year absence. It's not like Paul is making enough money dedicating his life to techno that he can travel regularly to see Mills. Sound familiar? Most people who have given their lives to this music must be able to relate. It would be dissapointing for those who had their hopes up. All that said, try DC - the 4th largest music market in the US, which had less than 10 recognized techno DJs pass through town all year. Thank God for house music - it's much less frustrating... Tristan -- http://www.mp313.com <- Music http://www.metrotechno.net <- DC techno + more http://www.metatrackstudios.com <- DC DJ/Production studios http://phonopsia.tripod.com <- Hub [EMAIL PROTECTED] <- email <- AOL Instant Messenger - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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That's what I was trying to raise. That depends on the nature of 'techno' clubs in the UK. There are some great techno clubs in the UK, I am sure, with The End, etc and they are important. But we have had the same things here with techno clubs - they become very hard, they become very male-centric, everyone even wears the same kind of clothes, it's an intimidating enviroment maybe and it's predictable, which is not a 'techno' attribute. The DJs are then expected to play a certain kind of techno. I have seen that happen here as well. Here techno clubs can be very Anglo, too. I am not saying this doesn't happen to house clubs, but there is a great diversity of people, across the gender and sexual spectrum, even across the ethnic spectrum. What is stopping a techno diehard going to Fabric, really? That is another question you have to ask. It could be as simple as Mills wanting to break down barriers and switch things up a little. He's always been 10 steps ahead of us. There is probably an interesting reason behind it. -- >From: "Odeluga, Ken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: Dan Sicko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "[EMAIL PROTECTED] Org" <313@hyperreal.org> >Subject: RE: [313] jeff mills stars again >Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 6:07 PM > >What IS a 'House Club' anyway? Is it's 'housiness' defined by size, style(s) >of music which prevail there, or just the fact that it's a sort of generic >night club, frequented by young(ish) people ... with a preference for 'dance >music' (another problematic term) as opposed to thrash metal (or something.) > >What I'm getting at is that I fail to see what material difference will be >made to Mr Mills' prediliction to play in any particular type of club by any >such 'pronouncement' (if he did indeed make it) that he will now, only play >in 'House Clubs'. > >Business as usual then Jeff, great. > >>-Original Message- >>From: Dan Sicko [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 4:56 AM >>To: innercity records; 313@hyperreal.org >>Subject: Re: [313] jeff mills stars again >> >> >>>so why is he now restricting himself to house clubs? >> >>why are we restricting clubs to one style or the other? >> >>this is the first I've heard of Jeff 's announcement, but I'm sure >>he'd shake things up no matter what the label hanging outside the >>club. >> >>-d >> >>- >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > >- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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It's always bemusing to realize how NARROW people are! First they want it ALL harder harder, faster faster, no chords, no melodies, no vocals - now it's gotta be a particular type of venue, perhaps with a particular type of regular clientelle ... What next? Floor plan measurements? Standardized drinks? You've already got the same beat all night (for the most part) you twits ... Do yourself a favour ... rewind your day, retrace your steps all the way to your bed, then say to yourself: 'Jan 28 2002' ... then start again. >-Original Message- >From: innercity records [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2002 11:46 PM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [313] jeff mills stars again > > >> >> >> >> if he wasn't so far up his own arse as to believe his >> >> music isn't techno anymore then maybe we'd all get >> >> this chance. >> >> >> >> wasn't he the one who said >> >> "techno is whatever you want it to be.." >> > >> >> I've neglected to respond to the above: >> >> What part of his music do you consider not techno anymore? Is it what >> you think he will play at these house clubs or do you think his current >> material isn't techno? > > > >i'll always consider his musc techno. him more than anyone has helped >shape the way i look at music and what i now do for a living. >it's jeff who says on the axis forum that his music isn't suitable for >techno clubs anymore. that's what pissed me off. who is he to decide >whether people who've followed his music all through his career are >no longer the people who should be out partying to his dj sets. > >techno for me is anything electronic be it house, electro, gabber, acid >anything. and this is why you'll hear these styles more at a techno club >than say at tribal sessions where the music policy seems to be just >dull 15minute progressive house tunes and the oh so cool tech-house >bollocks (surely just techno for house dj's who can't bring themselves >to admit that after so many years dissing the music they're now actually >playing it) > >if jeff wants to play these clubs and get a reaction then fair enough. but >why turn his back on those who've helped and supported him for so long. >we must get asked 5 or 10 times a week in the shop if we know when jeff >mills is playing in england again. in future i'll just say he isn't but why >not >go check out ben sims, carola, hawtin, bone etc, people with a real hunger >for what they do and a genuine love for the people who pay to hear them >play. like mills used to have. > > >paul > > > > >> >> I really believe his quote is a genuine one and he's not full of shite. >> LOL I think we're the ones who have the problem because we have put >> "techno" in a box or given techno a "stereotype" whereas Mills hasn't, >> hence the quote. Techno IS whatever we want it to be. Its Beligum >> Rave, Gabber, its breaks, its tech-step, its tech-house, its TRANCE =), >> its IDM, its glitch, its click-house, ambient...on and on. >> >> Techno is Techno. Even Detroit Techno is its own brand of techno. >> >> Ok, gotta go...the neighbors got the R&B blastin' now and I have try >> and to get back to work. =) >> >> Peace, >> >> glyph >> >> >> >> >> >> >> so why is he now restricting himself to house clubs? >> >> >> > >> > To you, they're house clubsto him they're places to wreak havoc in. >=) >> > I think we just need to remain calm and see what happens. >> > >> > Peace, >> > >> > Glyph >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> paul >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> - Original Message - >> >> From: glyph1001 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> To: <313@hyperreal.org> >> >> Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2002 8:55 PM >> >> Subject: Re: [313] jeff mills stars again >> >> >> >> >> >> off his rocker >> >> >> >>> but then as he explained himself, I gradually understood. >> >>> >> >>> Frankly, I believe its up to his audience to appreciate the >switcher-roo >> >>> he is contemplating and perhaps progress along with him. Those I >think >> >>> are t
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What IS a 'House Club' anyway? Is it's 'housiness' defined by size, style(s) of music which prevail there, or just the fact that it's a sort of generic night club, frequented by young(ish) people ... with a preference for 'dance music' (another problematic term) as opposed to thrash metal (or something.) What I'm getting at is that I fail to see what material difference will be made to Mr Mills' prediliction to play in any particular type of club by any such 'pronouncement' (if he did indeed make it) that he will now, only play in 'House Clubs'. Business as usual then Jeff, great. >-Original Message- >From: Dan Sicko [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 4:56 AM >To: innercity records; 313@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [313] jeff mills stars again > > >>so why is he now restricting himself to house clubs? > >why are we restricting clubs to one style or the other? > >this is the first I've heard of Jeff 's announcement, but I'm sure >he'd shake things up no matter what the label hanging outside the >club. > >-d > >- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I have no idea what you are getting at, maybe you can clear that up. At any rate, that's why I made 'em questions! So what is the vibe in UK techno clubs? A lot of the UK internationals have stated that the UK and European techno clubs are too imbalanced with all males. I have seen that happen at gigs here too with Ben Sims and Dave Angel, all guys. I went to the latter with a gay male friend and both of us had the perception of it being a very male night whereas at a Derrick Carter/Stacey Pullen gig, there was a wider diversity of people, guys and girls, people I knew from the gay scene, ravers, house heads, techno kids, everyone. -- >From: Ian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: Cyclone Wehner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [313] jeff mills stars again >Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 5:09 PM > >on 1/28/02 12:39 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> What is the gender ratio in UK techno >> clubs? Mostly heterosexual men? > >Please be careful here. I understand where you're coming from, but maybe >there's a more finely tuned definition you can use? This is a pretty broad >brush you've decided to use... >-- >im > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>if he wasn't so far up his own arse as to believe his >music isn't techno anymore then maybe we'd all get >this chance. > >wasn't he the one who said >"techno is whatever you want it to be.." > >so why is he now restricting himself to house clubs? Maybe because the UK definition of techno has become such a cliche and he wants to play a different environment? What is the gender ratio in UK techno clubs? Mostly heterosexual men? Maybe he wants to play to a more diverse crowd. There could be many interesting reasons. What's wrong with house clubs anyway? I still think you should be positive about this. Anyway, isn't it great that Mills is back in the UK? I would be glad everything worked out, me! :) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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It's not just a question of restricting his playing to "house clubs," is it? It looks like he's decided to focus on just a couple clubs, likely because the money is good and the hassles are limited. Anyone who has played out as a DJ knows the latter is maybe even more of a factor, what with crapped out club sound systems, filthy DJ booths, lying/cheating promoters and the never-ending parade of people trying to take a piece of whatever it is they want from the DJ as a public figure. someone writes: >go check out ben sims, carola, hawtin, bone etc, people with a real hunger >for what they do and a genuine love for the people who pay to hear them >play. like mills used to have. Don't make me laugh. Jeff Mills long ago settled any question about his dedication and love for what he does. It's simply not an issue. I like many but not all of his records, am in awe of some of them, and in any event his place in techno history is assured. I've never seen him DJ but reports of the special quality of his approach when he's on his game go way, way back. It's not for nothing he was known as the Wizard. I just can't understand this attitude that he somehow "owes" it to us to keep doing whatever it is *we* think he should do. He'll find plenty of better things to do with his time than hang out in the sad dead-end circus that the club and rave scenes have become, where sloppiness, greed and self-absorption long ago drove away musical quality. phred - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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What is this?! A judgemental Jeff Mills thread on 313 *in a southern evangilistic voice* ... Dear Lordie look upon my inbox in this time of great need, and guide it through this difficult time of numerous Emails about the judging of other men's choices who they may not know first hand. Amen. Father Diana __ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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so why is he now restricting himself to house clubs? why are we restricting clubs to one style or the other? this is the first I've heard of Jeff 's announcement, but I'm sure he'd shake things up no matter what the label hanging outside the club. -d - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] jeff mills stars again
In a message dated 1/27/02 5:25:24 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
(sigh) oh my...weeks, months of lurking and suddenly there's two topics in
the course of one week I feel the need to add my .02.
While to some it may appear that Jeff is 'selling out' or 'turning his back
on his fans' what he's doing is trying to push back the boundaries.
I've seen Jeff at Lost, I've seen Jeff in (just outside of Detroit), I've
seen Jeff in New York and when he's on, there's not many who attack the
turntables in such a wanton intensity.
The fact that he's going and playing 'house clubs' is part of expanding his
mission and exposing the concepts to the next tier of dance music fans.
While the first few times at Fabric may be full of clueless people and may be
less than fulfilling for the diehard UK fans, the greater perception that his
presence in those clubs will create overall can only hope to draw more
attention to forward thinking dance music globally ('cause you know the rest
of the world, like it or not, follows the UK music press like gospel).
In conclusion, I'll leave you with this thought. Wouldn't you rather have
Jeff as the biggest DJ in the world as compared to Oakie, Jules, Sasha,
Diggers, and the rest of them that seem to get ink every month in Mixmag,
Ministry, and Muzik?
This is just the first step in getting closer to that possibility.
pw
gg
ny
> you misunderstood me.
> i dont class him with the overpaid etc. as i personally
> feel he's been in a league of his own for years with
> nobody even now able to touch him on a good night.
>
> and it would be nice for him to give us the chance
> to "progress with him" at the clubs we all love and
> have seen him rock many times. not in some super
> money club full of people who really won't understand
> what he's actually doing.
>
> if he wasn't so far up his own arse as to believe his
> music isn't techno anymore then maybe we'd all get
> this chance.
>
> wasn't he the one who said
> "techno is whatever you want it to be.."
>
> so why is he now restricting himself to house clubs?
>
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> >> > >> if he wasn't so far up his own arse as to believe his > >> music isn't techno anymore then maybe we'd all get > >> this chance. > >> > >> wasn't he the one who said > >> "techno is whatever you want it to be.." > > > > I've neglected to respond to the above: > > What part of his music do you consider not techno anymore? Is it what > you think he will play at these house clubs or do you think his current > material isn't techno? i'll always consider his musc techno. him more than anyone has helped shape the way i look at music and what i now do for a living. it's jeff who says on the axis forum that his music isn't suitable for techno clubs anymore. that's what pissed me off. who is he to decide whether people who've followed his music all through his career are no longer the people who should be out partying to his dj sets. techno for me is anything electronic be it house, electro, gabber, acid anything. and this is why you'll hear these styles more at a techno club than say at tribal sessions where the music policy seems to be just dull 15minute progressive house tunes and the oh so cool tech-house bollocks (surely just techno for house dj's who can't bring themselves to admit that after so many years dissing the music they're now actually playing it) if jeff wants to play these clubs and get a reaction then fair enough. but why turn his back on those who've helped and supported him for so long. we must get asked 5 or 10 times a week in the shop if we know when jeff mills is playing in england again. in future i'll just say he isn't but why not go check out ben sims, carola, hawtin, bone etc, people with a real hunger for what they do and a genuine love for the people who pay to hear them play. like mills used to have. paul > > I really believe his quote is a genuine one and he's not full of shite. > LOL I think we're the ones who have the problem because we have put > "techno" in a box or given techno a "stereotype" whereas Mills hasn't, > hence the quote. Techno IS whatever we want it to be. Its Beligum > Rave, Gabber, its breaks, its tech-step, its tech-house, its TRANCE =), > its IDM, its glitch, its click-house, ambient...on and on. > > Techno is Techno. Even Detroit Techno is its own brand of techno. > > Ok, gotta go...the neighbors got the R&B blastin' now and I have try > and to get back to work. =) > > Peace, > > glyph > > >> > >> > >> so why is he now restricting himself to house clubs? > >> > > > > To you, they're house clubsto him they're places to wreak havoc in. =) > > I think we just need to remain calm and see what happens. > > > > Peace, > > > > Glyph > > > >> > >> > >> paul > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> - Original Message - > >> From: glyph1001 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> To: <313@hyperreal.org> > >> Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2002 8:55 PM > >> Subject: Re: [313] jeff mills stars again > >> > >> > >> off his rocker > >> > >>> but then as he explained himself, I gradually understood. > >>> > >>> Frankly, I believe its up to his audience to appreciate the switcher-roo > >>> he is contemplating and perhaps progress along with him. Those I think > >>> are the true believers of this talent. Its unfair to carelessly lump > >>> Jeff in the 'overrated, under skilled + massively over paid superstar dj > >>> category, if not "tech". Looking at his career, he has worked his butt > >>> off (ever noticed how skinny the man is?) to arrive at his current > >>> prestige. His schedule is non-f***ing stop. In observing him at Musik, > >>> I've come to the conclusion that this man is just amazing. A bloody > >>> genius who has a genuine passion for the music and its progression. > >>> > >>> So basically my friend, with all due respect...I don't know what to tell > >>> ya. Heheh, it is what it is, eh?. We can only progress with him in the > >>> belief that he can lead this music into a new direction or get out there > >>> and make it ourselves. Me, I'm sticking around. > >>> > >>> My 2 ¢, > >>> > >>> --Glyph > >>> > >>> innercity records wrote: > >>> > >>>> we just heard that jeff&
Re: [313] jeff mills stars again
a man is free to do what he wants to.. we shouldnt judge anyone.. and one sugestion.. take the humana ep from your bag, and listen to gammaplayer one more time.. let this man spin britney spears if he feels like to... - Original Message - From: "innercity records" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2002 5:56 PM Subject: [313] jeff mills stars again we just heard that jeff's quitting (quit?) techno and in future will only play house clubs with dates this year at fabric and the god awful tribal sessions in manchester. he's totally blown out the uk's most important clubs orbit, lost, slam and atomic jam after constant assurances that he'd be touring uk this year. if he feels the need to take his sound to another new audience then fair play but to turn his back on what he's best known for really beggars belief. i for one won't be putting on me best shiny shoes and sparkly shirt and paying £20 to see him while in the company of a bunch of clueless fashion victims who are probably in the club only to prance around to some overrated, under skilled + massively overpaid superstar "tech" dj. after 3 years of not playing the uk due to his bollocks immigraion excuse this is how he repays his long time fans and followers who've spent countless money on his records and hours queing in the rain to go hear him spin. i don't think i'd actually be as angry over any other dj doing this which just shows the kind of admiration this guy has over here and i'm sure it'll be the same for many others. simple reply of course is for all us to turn our back to him and stop buying his music and going to his club dates. it works both ways. pure arrogance (again) innercity. . - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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glyph1001 wrote: innercity records wrote: you misunderstood me. i dont class him with the overpaid etc. as i personally feel he's been in a league of his own for years with nobody even now able to touch him on a good night. Hmm, ok. and it would be nice for him to give us the chance to "progress with him" at the clubs we all love and have seen him rock many times. not in some super money club full of people who really won't understand what he's actually doing. Now you wouldn't know that. The one thing I've learned about the masses or mainstream, is that you have to beat em over the head with it. You can't expect people to use their own minds to seek out something anymore. That's not how the masses think. Its maybe how we think but certainly not the general population. I feel he's trying to break into those clubs and play music for people who doesn't have any idea what techno is. He is opening himself up to a new market, I guess. I see it as a challenge for him to do so. if he wasn't so far up his own arse as to believe his music isn't techno anymore then maybe we'd all get this chance. wasn't he the one who said "techno is whatever you want it to be.." I've neglected to respond to the above: What part of his music do you consider not techno anymore? Is it what you think he will play at these house clubs or do you think his current material isn't techno? I really believe his quote is a genuine one and he's not full of shite. LOL I think we're the ones who have the problem because we have put "techno" in a box or given techno a "stereotype" whereas Mills hasn't, hence the quote. Techno IS whatever we want it to be. Its Beligum Rave, Gabber, its breaks, its tech-step, its tech-house, its TRANCE =), its IDM, its glitch, its click-house, ambient...on and on. Techno is Techno. Even Detroit Techno is its own brand of techno. Ok, gotta go...the neighbors got the R&B blastin' now and I have try and to get back to work. =) Peace, glyph so why is he now restricting himself to house clubs? To you, they're house clubsto him they're places to wreak havoc in. =) I think we just need to remain calm and see what happens. Peace, Glyph paul ----- Original Message - From: glyph1001 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2002 8:55 PM Subject: Re: [313] jeff mills stars again off his rocker but then as he explained himself, I gradually understood. Frankly, I believe its up to his audience to appreciate the switcher-roo he is contemplating and perhaps progress along with him. Those I think are the true believers of this talent. Its unfair to carelessly lump Jeff in the 'overrated, under skilled + massively over paid superstar dj category, if not "tech". Looking at his career, he has worked his butt off (ever noticed how skinny the man is?) to arrive at his current prestige. His schedule is non-f***ing stop. In observing him at Musik, I've come to the conclusion that this man is just amazing. A bloody genius who has a genuine passion for the music and its progression. So basically my friend, with all due respect...I don't know what to tell ya. Heheh, it is what it is, eh?. We can only progress with him in the belief that he can lead this music into a new direction or get out there and make it ourselves. Me, I'm sticking around. My 2 ¢, --Glyph innercity records wrote: we just heard that jeff's quitting (quit?) techno and in future will only play house clubs with dates this year at fabric and the god awful tribal sessions in manchester. he's totally blown out the uk's most important clubs orbit, lost, slam and atomic jam after constant assurances that he'd be touring uk this year. if he feels the need to take his sound to another new audience then fair play but to turn his back on what he's best known for really beggars belief. i for one won't be putting on me best shiny shoes and sparkly shirt and paying £20 to see him while in the company of a bunch of clueless fashion victims who are probably in the club only to prance around to some overrated, under skilled + massively overpaid superstar "tech" dj. after 3 years of not playing the uk due to his bollocks immigraion excuse this is how he repays his long time fans and followers who've spent countless money on his records and hours queing in the rain to go hear him spin. i don't think i'd actually be as angry over any other dj doing this which just shows the kind of admiration this guy has over here and i'm sure it'll be the same for many others. simple reply of course is for all us to turn our back to him and stop buying his music and going to his c
Re: [313] jeff mills stars again
innercity records wrote: you misunderstood me. i dont class him with the overpaid etc. as i personally feel he's been in a league of his own for years with nobody even now able to touch him on a good night. Hmm, ok. and it would be nice for him to give us the chance to "progress with him" at the clubs we all love and have seen him rock many times. not in some super money club full of people who really won't understand what he's actually doing. Now you wouldn't know that. The one thing I've learned about the masses or mainstream, is that you have to beat em over the head with it. You can't expect people to use their own minds to seek out something anymore. That's not how the masses think. Its maybe how we think but certainly not the general population. I feel he's trying to break into those clubs and play music for people who doesn't have any idea what techno is. He is opening himself up to a new market, I guess. I see it as a challenge for him to do so. if he wasn't so far up his own arse as to believe his music isn't techno anymore then maybe we'd all get this chance. wasn't he the one who said "techno is whatever you want it to be.." so why is he now restricting himself to house clubs? To you, they're house clubsto him they're places to wreak havoc in. =) I think we just need to remain calm and see what happens. Peace, Glyph paul - Original Message - From: glyph1001 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2002 8:55 PM Subject: Re: [313] jeff mills stars again off his rocker but then as he explained himself, I gradually understood. Frankly, I believe its up to his audience to appreciate the switcher-roo he is contemplating and perhaps progress along with him. Those I think are the true believers of this talent. Its unfair to carelessly lump Jeff in the 'overrated, under skilled + massively over paid superstar dj category, if not "tech". Looking at his career, he has worked his butt off (ever noticed how skinny the man is?) to arrive at his current prestige. His schedule is non-f***ing stop. In observing him at Musik, I've come to the conclusion that this man is just amazing. A bloody genius who has a genuine passion for the music and its progression. So basically my friend, with all due respect...I don't know what to tell ya. Heheh, it is what it is, eh?. We can only progress with him in the belief that he can lead this music into a new direction or get out there and make it ourselves. Me, I'm sticking around. My 2 ¢, --Glyph innercity records wrote: we just heard that jeff's quitting (quit?) techno and in future will only play house clubs with dates this year at fabric and the god awful tribal sessions in manchester. he's totally blown out the uk's most important clubs orbit, lost, slam and atomic jam after constant assurances that he'd be touring uk this year. if he feels the need to take his sound to another new audience then fair play but to turn his back on what he's best known for really beggars belief. i for one won't be putting on me best shiny shoes and sparkly shirt and paying £20 to see him while in the company of a bunch of clueless fashion victims who are probably in the club only to prance around to some overrated, under skilled + massively overpaid superstar "tech" dj. after 3 years of not playing the uk due to his bollocks immigraion excuse this is how he repays his long time fans and followers who've spent countless money on his records and hours queing in the rain to go hear him spin. i don't think i'd actually be as angry over any other dj doing this which just shows the kind of admiration this guy has over here and i'm sure it'll be the same for many others. simple reply of course is for all us to turn our back to him and stop buying his music and going to his club dates. it works both ways. pure arrogance (again) innercity. . - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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OH, I'm not feeling this one. What do you or people you've spoken to know about what made Jeff who he is? This all "keepin' it real" stuff is extremely annoying. Its another way of keeping a man back from his potential and achievements. In other words, Playa-hatin'! Look, before living in Detroit, (I used to commute back and forth from Chicago) I used to have a romanticized view of the D because of the music. Since living here for the time being, I've had in many conversations been told about "life in detroit" from people who've been here all their lives who they themselves are busy looking for opportunities to leave. Not only was I schooled on the mentality of the city, but also politics in the music and how people treat each other on a basic level. My conclusion? It is not what its cracked up to be. Lots, including me are drawn to Detroit because of the music and insist that Detroit is this and that..."Go Detroit!" Its cool, but we must remind ourselves that we're all looking at it from environments more pleasant and we need to understand that its ok if some folks can careless. My perception is quite balanced now. Don't get me wrong, I really wish things were better here but I'm not as naive about it as before. In regards to Jeff, I don't and won't say he's dissing Detroit or blame Mills for not being a "detroit" artist because to me, he has risen above the crap and became a global figure when his opportunity came. Bigger than life itself to some. Mills transcends Detroit. If you're in a bad environment, you get the hell out. You don't stay if you can help it and I don't care who you are (exception being that it depends on a person's mentality). It applies especially if it deals with keeping your sanity and spirts up so you can WRITE music and live life to its fullest. Yeah, sometimes it takes a bad situation to force a person to do something remarkable but the sad, awful truth is that it HAS to take that sort of environment. I always wanted to know why not California, as opposed to Detroit...now I know. Have a nice evening...flame away. =) glyph I know some people in detroit that can't forgive Mills for, as they see it, dissing detroit. never forget what made you what you are. -Joe - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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you misunderstood me. i dont class him with the overpaid etc. as i personally feel he's been in a league of his own for years with nobody even now able to touch him on a good night. and it would be nice for him to give us the chance to "progress with him" at the clubs we all love and have seen him rock many times. not in some super money club full of people who really won't understand what he's actually doing. if he wasn't so far up his own arse as to believe his music isn't techno anymore then maybe we'd all get this chance. wasn't he the one who said "techno is whatever you want it to be.." so why is he now restricting himself to house clubs? paul - Original Message - From: glyph1001 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2002 8:55 PM Subject: Re: [313] jeff mills stars again off his rocker > but then as he explained himself, I gradually understood. > > Frankly, I believe its up to his audience to appreciate the switcher-roo > he is contemplating and perhaps progress along with him. Those I think > are the true believers of this talent. Its unfair to carelessly lump > Jeff in the 'overrated, under skilled + massively over paid superstar dj > category, if not "tech". Looking at his career, he has worked his butt > off (ever noticed how skinny the man is?) to arrive at his current > prestige. His schedule is non-f***ing stop. In observing him at Musik, > I've come to the conclusion that this man is just amazing. A bloody > genius who has a genuine passion for the music and its progression. > > So basically my friend, with all due respect...I don't know what to tell > ya. Heheh, it is what it is, eh?. We can only progress with him in the > belief that he can lead this music into a new direction or get out there > and make it ourselves. Me, I'm sticking around. > > My 2 ¢, > > --Glyph > > innercity records wrote: > > >we just heard that jeff's quitting (quit?) techno and > >in future will only play house clubs with dates > >this year at fabric and the god awful tribal sessions > >in manchester. > > > >he's totally blown out the uk's most important clubs > >orbit, lost, slam and atomic jam after constant assurances > >that he'd be touring uk this year. > > > >if he feels the need to take his sound to another new > >audience then fair play but to turn his back on what > >he's best known for really beggars belief. > > > >i for one won't be putting on me best shiny shoes and > >sparkly shirt and paying £20 to see him while in the > >company of a bunch of clueless fashion victims who > >are probably in the club only to prance around to > >some overrated, under skilled + massively overpaid > >superstar "tech" dj. > > > >after 3 years of not playing the uk due to his bollocks > >immigraion excuse this is how he repays his long time > >fans and followers who've spent countless money on > >his records and hours queing in the rain to go hear > >him spin. > > > >i don't think i'd actually be as angry over any other dj > >doing this which just shows the kind of admiration this > >guy has over here and i'm sure it'll be the same for > >many others. > > > >simple reply of course is for all us to turn our back > >to him and stop buying his music and going to his > >club dates. it works both ways. > > > >pure arrogance (again) > > > > > >innercity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > pure arrogance (again) > > it's seems more a kind of childish offendednes on your part to me. mills has to repay me? i'm not even sure if i have to repay him. all this repaying business seems very odd to me. now don't take this too seriously and do still send me the records i ordered from you : ) armin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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While this is surely dissapointing for those in the UK, don't forget he hasn't played in the US outside of NYC (a handful of times) and Detroit (twice?) over the last few years if I'm not mistaken. He's a hard man to see outside of continental Europe. Tristan -- http://www.mp313.com <- Music http://www.metrotechno.net <- DC techno + more http://www.metatrackstudios.com <- DC DJ/Production studios http://phonopsia.tripod.com <- Hub [EMAIL PROTECTED] <- email <- AOL Instant Messenger - Original Message - From: "innercity records" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2002 2:56 PM Subject: [313] jeff mills stars again we just heard that jeff's quitting (quit?) techno and in future will only play house clubs with dates this year at fabric and the god awful tribal sessions in manchester. he's totally blown out the uk's most important clubs orbit, lost, slam and atomic jam after constant assurances that he'd be touring uk this year. if he feels the need to take his sound to another new audience then fair play but to turn his back on what he's best known for really beggars belief. i for one won't be putting on me best shiny shoes and sparkly shirt and paying £20 to see him while in the company of a bunch of clueless fashion victims who are probably in the club only to prance around to some overrated, under skilled + massively overpaid superstar "tech" dj. after 3 years of not playing the uk due to his bollocks immigraion excuse this is how he repays his long time fans and followers who've spent countless money on his records and hours queing in the rain to go hear him spin. i don't think i'd actually be as angry over any other dj doing this which just shows the kind of admiration this guy has over here and i'm sure it'll be the same for many others. simple reply of course is for all us to turn our back to him and stop buying his music and going to his club dates. it works both ways. pure arrogance (again) innercity. . - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] jeff mills stars again
This is quite an interesting subject, a subject he spoke about quite vehemently at Musikundmaschine last year during a breakfast/brunch session, courtesy of Axis. Sitting across from me and plus other journalists, the distinguished man went on in a rant about how tired he is of it all. Tired of the press, tired of conforming to what is expected of him. Seems to me, he just wants to move on with his music/dj style. Like totally move on. I thought he must've gone off his rocker but then as he explained himself, I gradually understood. Frankly, I believe its up to his audience to appreciate the switcher-roo he is contemplating and perhaps progress along with him. Those I think are the true believers of this talent. Its unfair to carelessly lump Jeff in the 'overrated, under skilled + massively over paid superstar dj category, if not "tech". Looking at his career, he has worked his butt off (ever noticed how skinny the man is?) to arrive at his current prestige. His schedule is non-f***ing stop. In observing him at Musik, I've come to the conclusion that this man is just amazing. A bloody genius who has a genuine passion for the music and its progression. So basically my friend, with all due respect...I don't know what to tell ya. Heheh, it is what it is, eh?. We can only progress with him in the belief that he can lead this music into a new direction or get out there and make it ourselves. Me, I'm sticking around. My 2 ¢, --Glyph innercity records wrote: we just heard that jeff's quitting (quit?) techno and in future will only play house clubs with dates this year at fabric and the god awful tribal sessions in manchester. he's totally blown out the uk's most important clubs orbit, lost, slam and atomic jam after constant assurances that he'd be touring uk this year. if he feels the need to take his sound to another new audience then fair play but to turn his back on what he's best known for really beggars belief. i for one won't be putting on me best shiny shoes and sparkly shirt and paying £20 to see him while in the company of a bunch of clueless fashion victims who are probably in the club only to prance around to some overrated, under skilled + massively overpaid superstar "tech" dj. after 3 years of not playing the uk due to his bollocks immigraion excuse this is how he repays his long time fans and followers who've spent countless money on his records and hours queing in the rain to go hear him spin. i don't think i'd actually be as angry over any other dj doing this which just shows the kind of admiration this guy has over here and i'm sure it'll be the same for many others. simple reply of course is for all us to turn our back to him and stop buying his music and going to his club dates. it works both ways. pure arrogance (again) innercity. . - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I doubt if Jeff would turn his back on 'techno'. If indeed this report is the case (things get convoluted), then I think you'll find he just wants to play venues where he can play the 'unexpected' which is, after all, his idea of 'techno'? He enjoys playing more intimate venues and has said as much in interviews. I have to say his last club tour of Australia in 2001 was fabulous, that was one of the best tours I have experienced, so much fun, every gig really different and memorable, we still talk about them. His sets were so diverse and interesting with the element of surprise - Jeff Mills at his best. I think you should look at this as an exciting development. Jeff is the least arrogant person you could meet in this scene, especially compared to many of the UK/European DJs who have ripped off his sound wholesale. It really amazes me how misconstrued Mills is! He has given some great interviews over the years explaining himself very, very clearly, on every point raised here, plus he has used his Web site in this way. Mills at Fabric would be off the hook! Man! -- >From: "innercity records" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <313@hyperreal.org> >Subject: [313] jeff mills stars again >Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 6:56 AM > >we just heard that jeff's quitting (quit?) techno and >in future will only play house clubs with dates >this year at fabric and the god awful tribal sessions >in manchester. > >he's totally blown out the uk's most important clubs >orbit, lost, slam and atomic jam after constant assurances >that he'd be touring uk this year. > >if he feels the need to take his sound to another new >audience then fair play but to turn his back on what >he's best known for really beggars belief. > >i for one won't be putting on me best shiny shoes and >sparkly shirt and paying £20 to see him while in the >company of a bunch of clueless fashion victims who >are probably in the club only to prance around to >some overrated, under skilled + massively overpaid >superstar "tech" dj. > >after 3 years of not playing the uk due to his bollocks >immigraion excuse this is how he repays his long time >fans and followers who've spent countless money on >his records and hours queing in the rain to go hear >him spin. > >i don't think i'd actually be as angry over any other dj >doing this which just shows the kind of admiration this >guy has over here and i'm sure it'll be the same for >many others. > >simple reply of course is for all us to turn our back >to him and stop buying his music and going to his >club dates. it works both ways. > >pure arrogance (again) > > >innercity. > > > > > > > > > >. > > > > > > > > > > > > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>simple reply of course is for all us to turn our back >to him and stop buying his music and going to his >club dates. it works both ways. there are several DJs and producers who deserve this treatment but it seldom, if ever, happens I know some people in detroit that can't forgive Mills for, as they see it, dissing detroit. never forget what made you what you are. -Joe - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] jeff mills stars again
we just heard that jeff's quitting (quit?) techno and in future will only play house clubs with dates this year at fabric and the god awful tribal sessions in manchester. he's totally blown out the uk's most important clubs orbit, lost, slam and atomic jam after constant assurances that he'd be touring uk this year. if he feels the need to take his sound to another new audience then fair play but to turn his back on what he's best known for really beggars belief. i for one won't be putting on me best shiny shoes and sparkly shirt and paying £20 to see him while in the company of a bunch of clueless fashion victims who are probably in the club only to prance around to some overrated, under skilled + massively overpaid superstar "tech" dj. after 3 years of not playing the uk due to his bollocks immigraion excuse this is how he repays his long time fans and followers who've spent countless money on his records and hours queing in the rain to go hear him spin. i don't think i'd actually be as angry over any other dj doing this which just shows the kind of admiration this guy has over here and i'm sure it'll be the same for many others. simple reply of course is for all us to turn our back to him and stop buying his music and going to his club dates. it works both ways. pure arrogance (again) innercity. .
