Re: (313) Easiest way to start a (313) argument - the Richie Hawtin RA Podcast
777 - alpha wave (plastikmans acid house mix) <3 - Original Message - From: "Tristan Watkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Matthew Dickinson'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'Joel Gajewski'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 12:57 PM Subject: RE: (313) Easiest way to start a (313) argument - the Richie Hawtin RA Podcast -Original Message- From: Matthew Dickinson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 02 May 2008 16:22 To: 'Joel Gajewski'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Easiest way to start a (313) argument - the Richie Hawtin RA Podcast No more Richie Hawtin hate! LOL, good idea. Anyway, I've never been a big fan so there's probably some gems I haven't heard. But that said, I've always loved 'Plasticine' from Sheet One. 11 minutes acidic trip goodness. Or is it 'Plasticity'? Damn, can't remember. Oh well, the track in question is awesome. They're two very similar tracks. Distinct versions of the same song maybe. I always get them confused. Wicked, whichever one is the better of the two though. ;) Tristan === http://www.phonopsia.co.uk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I own richies old dat machine...dbx gave it to me...richie is who he is, and is the steve jobs of techno. do I like his stuff? No...eon's void dweller album made better use of the outer limits samples than sheet one didand a year earlier at that. Who is Richie? Currently an arbiter of style and tastemaker for the uninitiated. Techno is quickly becoming a game without a perceived past because of this. Oh, btw, anyone wish to market me? I need help with that-if it's easy, let's be on to it! Cheers, fbk On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 12:57 PM, Tristan Watkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > -Original Message- > > From: Matthew Dickinson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: 02 May 2008 16:22 > > To: 'Joel Gajewski'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Cc: 313@hyperreal.org > > > Subject: RE: (313) Easiest way to start a (313) argument - > > the Richie Hawtin RA Podcast > > > > > No more Richie Hawtin hate! LOL, good idea. > > > > Anyway, I've never been a big fan so there's probably some > > gems I haven't heard. But that said, I've always loved > > 'Plasticine' from Sheet One. 11 minutes acidic trip goodness. > > Or is it 'Plasticity'? Damn, can't remember. > > Oh well, the track in question is awesome. > > They're two very similar tracks. Distinct versions of the same song maybe. I > always get them confused. Wicked, whichever one is the better of the two > though. ;) > > Tristan > === > > http://www.phonopsia.co.uk > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- fbk sleepengineering/absoloop US
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> -Original Message- > From: Matthew Dickinson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 02 May 2008 16:22 > To: 'Joel Gajewski'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: 313@hyperreal.org > Subject: RE: (313) Easiest way to start a (313) argument - > the Richie Hawtin RA Podcast > > No more Richie Hawtin hate! LOL, good idea. > > Anyway, I've never been a big fan so there's probably some > gems I haven't heard. But that said, I've always loved > 'Plasticine' from Sheet One. 11 minutes acidic trip goodness. > Or is it 'Plasticity'? Damn, can't remember. > Oh well, the track in question is awesome. They're two very similar tracks. Distinct versions of the same song maybe. I always get them confused. Wicked, whichever one is the better of the two though. ;) Tristan === http://www.phonopsia.co.uk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I didn't read all the posts in this thread, sorry about that, but anyone mentioned Elements of Tone from States of Mind already? This track is a killer, and it's one of my favorite techno tunes of all time, although i don't dig everything Hawtin did. Kw On 02/05/2008, at 12:00, Odeluga, Ken wrote: -Original Message- From: KiDD*e [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 11:19 AM To: Three-One-Three Subject: Re: (313) Easiest way to start a (313) argument - the Richie Hawtin RA Podcast After your post, i've started listening to Plastikman's discography. Of course "Spastik" is a forever classic, personnaly i've always loved and rated Fuse's "Dimension Intrusion" number one. But i forgot there are some true wonders on the following albums, e.g. how "Are Friends Elektric?" is pretty. (from "Artifakts (BC)" album). - K* *** Agreed on this KiDD*e. This gives me what might be a more positive, and revealing idea than to tear strips off what we don't like about RH. How about if we list some of the things he's done, under any moniker, which we do like? Tristan mentioned the 'I Don't Know' 12" In my case: I like the whole 'Closer' LP plus: Consumed Dimension Intrusion Artifakts Sheet One still hypnotised by the Krakpot 12" Still reach back for From My Our Minds To Yours Got into DE9 musically about 3 years after buying it and appreciating it's technological prowess immediately Then there's Spastik This: http://www.discogs.com/release/75030 And his mix on this! http://www.discogs.com/release/29578 The fact is, I could go on. Now that's quite a list and quite a lot from a self-confessed Richie-baiter like me! The fact that a large swathe of projects he has either promoted or actually produced have been pants (imo) doesn't take away from his talent in making modern electronic music. Having talent in 'MEM' is not the same as what 'musical talent' might have meant up till about the latter part of the 20th Century, perhaps. But there's no doubt that he's got it. Much as I'm somewhat irritated by his near-omnipresence in our world and the naffness of a lot of m_nus records, I have to give credit where it's due. Anybody else? Ken - Original Message ----- From: "Frank Glazer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "kent williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "313 Mailing List" <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 9:53 AM Subject: Re: (313) Easiest way to start a (313) argument - the Richie Hawtin RA Podcast You know what? I am pretty sure I hate everything richie hawtin has done since the Consumed album (save the exception that proves the rule, his "low blow" track that he did with steve bug), but if he had never done anything but "Spastik", I'd still consider him a god amongst techno men. SPASTIK FOR CHRISSAKES. You just can't beat it.
RE: (313) Easiest way to start a (313) argument - the Richie Hawtin RA Podcast
No more Richie Hawtin hate! LOL, good idea. Anyway, I've never been a big fan so there's probably some gems I haven't heard. But that said, I've always loved 'Plasticine' from Sheet One. 11 minutes acidic trip goodness. Or is it 'Plasticity'? Damn, can't remember. Oh well, the track in question is awesome. Matt -Original Message- From: Joel Gajewski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 2008-05-02 17:11 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Easiest way to start a (313) argument - the Richie Hawtin RA Podcast I haven't heard the mix, but he seemed really cool when I met him at 13 Below. He actually thanked us nameless patrons for coming out. I will say that his recent recorded mixes (ie most recent DE909) seem to have lost the human touch he used to have in his sets (ie Power 96 mix or that MixMag mix). He seemed a little more willing to switch it up a bit and keep it aggressive. Occassionally, I will DL a live mix from some festival and those mixes are much better than anything from his studio because they tend not to be the current Top 20 Beatport MNML downloads and contain older type tracks mixed with some new ones. - Original Message From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: kent williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: 313 Mailing List <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Friday, May 2, 2008 2:02:05 AM Subject: Re: (313) Easiest way to start a (313) argument - the Richie Hawtin RA Podcast Yeah me too- he seems like a decent guy in the flesh but to me his main strength is in marketing, not music. 2008/5/2 kent williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Yeah, I listened to it at work. I always try and give Mr. Hawtin a > chance, since the one time I met him he was quite nice to me, and > seemed like an intelligent guy. > > But... it doesn't really make me bust a grin, which a good mix will. > It was OK, but I listened at work and it turned into sonic wallpaper. > I kind of like the last Decks&fx CD but had the same impression -- > it's great background music for computer programming -- Dilbert > Techno. There's a place for that, but I think I wouldn't much like to > see him play out if that's the way he mixes. Give me some variation > and drama! > > > > On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 8:16 PM, Greg Earle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Now that Tom is too busy writing Model 500 articles > > for Resident Advisor, how are we going to stir (313) > > into a hornet's nest? Just mention Richie :) > > > > http://www.residentadvisor.net/podcast-episode.aspx?id=100 > > > > Direct iTunes Music Store Podcast link: > > > > http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast?id=129673441 > > > > This direct link might work, if you have an RA account: > > > > > > http://ra2.residentadvisor.net/audio/RA100_080428_Richie-Hawtin-residentadvi sor.net.mp3 > > > >- Greg > > > > > > >
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I haven't heard the mix, but he seemed really cool when I met him at 13 Below. He actually thanked us nameless patrons for coming out. I will say that his recent recorded mixes (ie most recent DE909) seem to have lost the human touch he used to have in his sets (ie Power 96 mix or that MixMag mix). He seemed a little more willing to switch it up a bit and keep it aggressive. Occassionally, I will DL a live mix from some festival and those mixes are much better than anything from his studio because they tend not to be the current Top 20 Beatport MNML downloads and contain older type tracks mixed with some new ones. - Original Message From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: kent williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: 313 Mailing List <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Friday, May 2, 2008 2:02:05 AM Subject: Re: (313) Easiest way to start a (313) argument - the Richie Hawtin RA Podcast Yeah me too- he seems like a decent guy in the flesh but to me his main strength is in marketing, not music. 2008/5/2 kent williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Yeah, I listened to it at work. I always try and give Mr. Hawtin a > chance, since the one time I met him he was quite nice to me, and > seemed like an intelligent guy. > > But... it doesn't really make me bust a grin, which a good mix will. > It was OK, but I listened at work and it turned into sonic wallpaper. > I kind of like the last Decks&fx CD but had the same impression -- > it's great background music for computer programming -- Dilbert > Techno. There's a place for that, but I think I wouldn't much like to > see him play out if that's the way he mixes. Give me some variation > and drama! > > > > On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 8:16 PM, Greg Earle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Now that Tom is too busy writing Model 500 articles > > for Resident Advisor, how are we going to stir (313) > > into a hornet's nest? Just mention Richie :) > > > > http://www.residentadvisor.net/podcast-episode.aspx?id=100 > > > > Direct iTunes Music Store Podcast link: > > > > http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast?id=129673441 > > > > This direct link might work, if you have an RA account: > > > > > > > http://ra2.residentadvisor.net/audio/RA100_080428_Richie-Hawtin-residentadvisor.net.mp3 > > > >- Greg > > > > > > >
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On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 11:00 AM, Odeluga, Ken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Then there's Spastik > > This: http://www.discogs.com/release/75030 I am so sick of Spastik. I never liked it to begin with! Orange, however, I have dug since the first DE9 came out. -- matt kane's brain [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hydrogenproject.com http://wzbc.org AIM: mkbatwerk
RE: (313) Easiest way to start a (313) argument - the Richie Hawtin RA Podcast
-Original Message- From: KiDD*e [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 11:19 AM To: Three-One-Three Subject: Re: (313) Easiest way to start a (313) argument - the Richie Hawtin RA Podcast After your post, i've started listening to Plastikman's discography. Of course "Spastik" is a forever classic, personnaly i've always loved and rated Fuse's "Dimension Intrusion" number one. But i forgot there are some true wonders on the following albums, e.g. how "Are Friends Elektric?" is pretty. (from "Artifakts (BC)" album). - K* *** Agreed on this KiDD*e. This gives me what might be a more positive, and revealing idea than to tear strips off what we don't like about RH. How about if we list some of the things he's done, under any moniker, which we do like? Tristan mentioned the 'I Don't Know' 12" In my case: I like the whole 'Closer' LP plus: Consumed Dimension Intrusion Artifakts Sheet One still hypnotised by the Krakpot 12" Still reach back for From My Our Minds To Yours Got into DE9 musically about 3 years after buying it and appreciating it's technological prowess immediately Then there's Spastik This: http://www.discogs.com/release/75030 And his mix on this! http://www.discogs.com/release/29578 The fact is, I could go on. Now that's quite a list and quite a lot from a self-confessed Richie-baiter like me! The fact that a large swathe of projects he has either promoted or actually produced have been pants (imo) doesn't take away from his talent in making modern electronic music. Having talent in 'MEM' is not the same as what 'musical talent' might have meant up till about the latter part of the 20th Century, perhaps. But there's no doubt that he's got it. Much as I'm somewhat irritated by his near-omnipresence in our world and the naffness of a lot of m_nus records, I have to give credit where it's due. Anybody else? Ken - Original Message - From: "Frank Glazer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "kent williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "313 Mailing List" <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 9:53 AM Subject: Re: (313) Easiest way to start a (313) argument - the Richie Hawtin RA Podcast > You know what? I am pretty sure I hate everything richie hawtin has > done since the Consumed album (save the exception that proves the > rule, his "low blow" track that he did with steve bug), but if he had > never done anything but "Spastik", I'd still consider him a god > amongst techno men. SPASTIK FOR CHRISSAKES. You just can't beat it.
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> how are we going to stir (313) > into a hornet's nest? Just mention Richie :) LOL - that was too easy. MEK
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- Original Message - From: "KiDD*e" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Three-One-Three" <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 11:18 AM Subject: Re: (313) Easiest way to start a (313) argument - the Richie Hawtin RA Podcast After your post, i've started listening to Plastikman's discography. Of course "Spastik" is a forever classic, personnaly i've always loved and rated Fuse's "Dimension Intrusion" number one. But i forgot there are some true wonders on the following albums, e.g. how "Are Friends Elektric?" is pretty. (from "Artifakts (BC)" album). I only just picked up the 12" for "I Don't Know", off Closer, after first hearing it in one of Placid's mixes. It's pretty wicked. Tristan === [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phonopsia.co.uk
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Americans pronounce it all funny - like it rhymes with snot Rob Taylor VT Librarian x8599 Hatch Desk x1088 VT Library Users' Guide -Original Message- From: kent williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 02 May 2008 13:48 To: Martin Dust Cc: 313 Mailing List Subject: Re: (313) Easiest way to start a (313) argument - the Richie Hawtin RA Podcast Haha there's a word I don't use because a woman I respect told me it was disrespectful to women. But every time I see it it cracks me up. Especially since 'twatting' is apparently a slang term for a good ol Amy Winehouse headbutt. On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 5:49 AM, Martin Dust <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Yeah, I agree it does sound a bit twatish of me : But more on point -- while Dust Science may make marketing look easy, it is quite difficult. First record I released I spent considerable time sending copies of the records with a 2 sheet to every magazine I could think of, followed up by e-mails to review contacts, and I got zero reviews, and sold 350 records out of a 500 record pressing. The next one I released I blew off marketing entirely except sending white labels to DJs I knew who I knew would at least listen to it. I sold 350 records out of a 500 record run. And the second record was played all over, including by Ben Sims to huge festival crowds. Go figure. So go figure. Of course I'm ... me, and Richie is Richie, and he was in the right place at the right time, and Amir Daza took a liking to him, and he had Dan Bell to get all his good ideas from *duck* I honestly begrudge him nothing... no really. # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. Channel Four Television Corporation, created by statute under English law, is at 124 Horseferry Road, London, SW1P 2TX . 4 Ventures Limited (Company No. 04106849), incorporated in England and Wales has its registered office at 124 Horseferry Road, London SW1P 2TX. VAT no: GB 626475817 #
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Haha there's a word I don't use because a woman I respect told me it was disrespectful to women. But every time I see it it cracks me up. Especially since 'twatting' is apparently a slang term for a good ol Amy Winehouse headbutt. On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 5:49 AM, Martin Dust <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Yeah, I agree it does sound a bit twatish of me : But more on point -- while Dust Science may make marketing look easy, it is quite difficult. First record I released I spent considerable time sending copies of the records with a 2 sheet to every magazine I could think of, followed up by e-mails to review contacts, and I got zero reviews, and sold 350 records out of a 500 record pressing. The next one I released I blew off marketing entirely except sending white labels to DJs I knew who I knew would at least listen to it. I sold 350 records out of a 500 record run. And the second record was played all over, including by Ben Sims to huge festival crowds. Go figure. So go figure. Of course I'm ... me, and Richie is Richie, and he was in the right place at the right time, and Amir Daza took a liking to him, and he had Dan Bell to get all his good ideas from *duck* I honestly begrudge him nothing... no really.
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On 2 May 2008, at 11:29, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Heh, heh, you're in the minority here Martin. I guess so :) I'm looking at your post like most on here and thinking (in my case) "if it's a snip to do some artwork and you can handle all the press in 2 hours for a major release how come it takes up my entire life for 2 months before hand just to do the same for a small party in Manchester that only 200 peepz will come to and I still don't do a good job of it?". Yeah, I agree it does sound a bit twatish of me :( But I think if you find the right people to work with it will ease your load. We do design work for nothing as long as we get to do what we want, as do the Designers Republic, Human, Ded and loads of others in Sheffield. But PR wise there really isn't that man people to contact, pounding the streets with flyers for a club night is a completely different matter tho. I think maybe you have a natural talent there and it comes sooo much harder for the rest of us. Yeah, I've always had a big mouth *LOL* m
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Jason I can't reply to you off list as I get this error: >> 550 Sender verify failed But I still disagree and I like the photo and write up. m
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Great post Toby! Bang on. 2008/5/2 Toby Frith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > If Hawtin had gone down the route of someone like Carl Cox or Paul van Dyk, > then I would say that the vitriol directed at him would be worthwhile. The > fact is that whilst his DJ sets are pretty dull, they're still, to someone > who doesn't know the music at all, rather unusual and weird. To the trained > ear of the 313 list members and others, yes, it's all a bit directionless, > but it's still abstract. The fact that he can pack out big festivals and > clubs is interesting - and ultimately I feel that there's still enough credit > being paid, by proxy, to those who made this music at the same time. People > getting into Hawtin will see his discography (that goes back a long way) and > explore from there. > > It's easy to dismiss the whole minimal scene because it's laced with the > unfortunate fashionista tag, but ultimately that's where the kinetic energy > of dance music is right now. And those who are really interested in the music > and its history will get into what inspired it. Basic Channel are utterly > revered now, and you see Hood now getting the credit he deserves. > > It takes time. > > > > > -Original Message----- > From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: 02 May 2008 11:23 > To: 313 Mailing List > Subject: Re: (313) Easiest way to start a (313) argument - the Richie > Hawtin RA Podcast > > > > > > On 2 May 2008, at 10:34, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > H, I'm talking more about the entire "thing" he's created in > > Berlin and his general, almost slavish, use of the newest > > gadget/technology. > > > Nah, Bowie and Eno did that stuff years before him, so he likes > technology it's not really a big shocker, is it? > > Bjork has had loads of focus for it, it doesn't write the tunes tho as > her new album testifies. > > I don't pick up on this slavish thing Jason to be honest but I do > share a love for toys and have been torturing myself for months over > the iPhone. > > > Personally I find it extremelly difficult to > > "market", do good artwork , press etc but that's only a small part of > > his activities anyway. > > This isn't a recent thing for me, I've been of a similar opinion since > > about 1994! > > Fair enough but at the end of the day good music wins thru, regardless > of all the "fluff". > > > > > > > Jason "naive" Brunton -(you obviously haven't met a lot of the > > customers we have who buy Minus material or you wouldn't have made > > that comment :) ) > > The naive comment wasn't aimed at anyone, but I stand by it tho and > yeah I buy Minus, I don't have a small beard, scarf or dress in bright > colours :) God I feel like I'm confessing to something dirty! > > m > > PS. Have you seen your picture in DJ mag this month? > > > > > For all the latest news and comment visit www.telegraph.co.uk. This > message, its contents and any attachments to it are private, confidential > and may be the subject of legal privilege. Any unauthorised disclosure, > use or dissemination of the whole or part of this message (without our > prior written consent) is prohibited. If you are not the intended > recipient, please notify us immediately. Incoming and outgoing telephone > calls to our offices may be monitored or recorded for training and quality > control purposes and for confirming orders and information. Telegraph Media > Group Limited is a limited liability company registered in England and > Wales (company number 451593). Our registered office address is: 111 > Buckingham Palace Road, London, SW1W 0DT. > >
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On 2 May 2008, at 10:30, Toby Frith wrote: That's the way it is though. Some places are good for that music, and you have to accept it. It's musical economics as it were. If you want to get noticed, go and live in a place where you will be heard. Jeff Mills is the best example of this. The downside being everyone in Berlin is now a DJ/Artist/Designer - I don't think its that easy out there but it is certainly a lot cheaper.
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Hey, I have a couple of Minus recs as well. There's a False one which is very good. But dear god, SO much of it is pure shite. Sorry, but it is. 2008/5/2 Martin Dust <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > On 2 May 2008, at 10:34, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > H, I'm talking more about the entire "thing" he's created in > > Berlin and his general, almost slavish, use of the newest > > gadget/technology. > > > > > Nah, Bowie and Eno did that stuff years before him, so he likes technology > it's not really a big shocker, is it? > > Bjork has had loads of focus for it, it doesn't write the tunes tho as her > new album testifies. > > I don't pick up on this slavish thing Jason to be honest but I do share a > love for toys and have been torturing myself for months over the iPhone. > > > > > Personally I find it extremelly difficult to > > "market", do good artwork , press etc but that's only a small part of > > his activities anyway. > > This isn't a recent thing for me, I've been of a similar opinion since > > about 1994! > > > > Fair enough but at the end of the day good music wins thru, regardless of > all the "fluff". > > > > > > > > > Jason "naive" Brunton -(you obviously haven't met a lot of the > > customers we have who buy Minus material or you wouldn't have made > > that comment :) ) > > > > The naive comment wasn't aimed at anyone, but I stand by it tho and yeah I > buy Minus, I don't have a small beard, scarf or dress in bright colours :) > God I feel like I'm confessing to something dirty! > > m > > PS. Have you seen your picture in DJ mag this month? >
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If Hawtin had gone down the route of someone like Carl Cox or Paul van Dyk, then I would say that the vitriol directed at him would be worthwhile. The fact is that whilst his DJ sets are pretty dull, they're still, to someone who doesn't know the music at all, rather unusual and weird. To the trained ear of the 313 list members and others, yes, it's all a bit directionless, but it's still abstract. The fact that he can pack out big festivals and clubs is interesting - and ultimately I feel that there's still enough credit being paid, by proxy, to those who made this music at the same time. People getting into Hawtin will see his discography (that goes back a long way) and explore from there. It's easy to dismiss the whole minimal scene because it's laced with the unfortunate fashionista tag, but ultimately that's where the kinetic energy of dance music is right now. And those who are really interested in the music and its history will get into what inspired it. Basic Channel are utterly revered now, and you see Hood now getting the credit he deserves. It takes time. -Original Message- From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 02 May 2008 11:23 To: 313 Mailing List Subject: Re: (313) Easiest way to start a (313) argument - the Richie Hawtin RA Podcast On 2 May 2008, at 10:34, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > H, I'm talking more about the entire "thing" he's created in > Berlin and his general, almost slavish, use of the newest > gadget/technology. Nah, Bowie and Eno did that stuff years before him, so he likes technology it's not really a big shocker, is it? Bjork has had loads of focus for it, it doesn't write the tunes tho as her new album testifies. I don't pick up on this slavish thing Jason to be honest but I do share a love for toys and have been torturing myself for months over the iPhone. > Personally I find it extremelly difficult to > "market", do good artwork , press etc but that's only a small part of > his activities anyway. > This isn't a recent thing for me, I've been of a similar opinion since > about 1994! Fair enough but at the end of the day good music wins thru, regardless of all the "fluff". > > > Jason "naive" Brunton -(you obviously haven't met a lot of the > customers we have who buy Minus material or you wouldn't have made > that comment :) ) The naive comment wasn't aimed at anyone, but I stand by it tho and yeah I buy Minus, I don't have a small beard, scarf or dress in bright colours :) God I feel like I'm confessing to something dirty! m PS. Have you seen your picture in DJ mag this month? For all the latest news and comment visit www.telegraph.co.uk. This message, its contents and any attachments to it are private, confidential and may be the subject of legal privilege. Any unauthorised disclosure, use or dissemination of the whole or part of this message (without our prior written consent) is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately. Incoming and outgoing telephone calls to our offices may be monitored or recorded for training and quality control purposes and for confirming orders and information. Telegraph Media Group Limited is a limited liability company registered in England and Wales (company number 451593). Our registered office address is: 111 Buckingham Palace Road, London, SW1W 0DT.
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Heh, heh, you're in the minority here Martin. I'm looking at your post like most on here and thinking (in my case) "if it's a snip to do some artwork and you can handle all the press in 2 hours for a major release how come it takes up my entire life for 2 months before hand just to do the same for a small party in Manchester that only 200 peepz will come to and I still don't do a good job of it?". I think maybe you have a natural talent there and it comes sooo much harder for the rest of us. @ Greg: you were right it was an easy way to start an argument > From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 02 May 2008 09:19 > > I just think it's lazy to say "he's good a marketing" because to be > honest it's not that hard to market records and do good artwork - you > could ring and email all the press in about 2hrs!!! UR are just as > good for example, as are Bpitch - the list is pretty endless.
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On 2 May 2008, at 10:34, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: H, I'm talking more about the entire "thing" he's created in Berlin and his general, almost slavish, use of the newest gadget/technology. Nah, Bowie and Eno did that stuff years before him, so he likes technology it's not really a big shocker, is it? Bjork has had loads of focus for it, it doesn't write the tunes tho as her new album testifies. I don't pick up on this slavish thing Jason to be honest but I do share a love for toys and have been torturing myself for months over the iPhone. Personally I find it extremelly difficult to "market", do good artwork , press etc but that's only a small part of his activities anyway. This isn't a recent thing for me, I've been of a similar opinion since about 1994! Fair enough but at the end of the day good music wins thru, regardless of all the "fluff". Jason "naive" Brunton -(you obviously haven't met a lot of the customers we have who buy Minus material or you wouldn't have made that comment :) ) The naive comment wasn't aimed at anyone, but I stand by it tho and yeah I buy Minus, I don't have a small beard, scarf or dress in bright colours :) God I feel like I'm confessing to something dirty! m PS. Have you seen your picture in DJ mag this month?
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After your post, i've started listening to Plastikman's discography. Of course "Spastik" is a forever classic, personnaly i've always loved and rated Fuse's "Dimension Intrusion" number one. But i forgot there are some true wonders on the following albums, e.g. how "Are Friends Elektric?" is pretty. (from "Artifakts (BC)" album). - K* - Original Message - From: "Frank Glazer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "kent williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "313 Mailing List" <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 9:53 AM Subject: Re: (313) Easiest way to start a (313) argument - the Richie Hawtin RA Podcast > You know what? I am pretty sure I hate everything richie hawtin has > done since the Consumed album (save the exception that proves the > rule, his "low blow" track that he did with steve bug), but if he had > never done anything but "Spastik", I'd still consider him a god > amongst techno men. SPASTIK FOR CHRISSAKES. You just can't beat it.
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H, I'm talking more about the entire "thing" he's created in Berlin and his general, almost slavish, use of the newest gadget/technology. Personally I find it extremelly difficult to "market", do good artwork , press etc but that's only a small part of his activities anyway. This isn't a recent thing for me, I've been of a similar opinion since about 1994! Jason "naive" Brunton -(you obviously haven't met a lot of the customers we have who buy Minus material or you wouldn't have made that comment :) ) 2008/5/2 Martin Dust <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On 2 May 2008, at 09:02, Odeluga, Ken wrote: > > > > I haven't even heard the mix so I've no opinion on whether it's good or > > bad. However it seems fair to agree that Hawtin is very good at > > marketing. Whether his marketing skills outweigh his musical ones > > though, that's where it becomes a matter of opinion, innit? > > > > I just think it's lazy to say "he's good a marketing" because to be honest > it's not that hard to market records and do good artwork - you could ring > and email all the press in about 2hrs!!! UR are just as good for example, as > are Bpitch - the list is pretty endless. > > People focus on the wrong thing with him and take the easy way out, it's > almost become a natural habit for many. It's like listening to people bang > on about how good the Orbit was, well the last two years where shocking, the > line-ups were very, very poor and the crowd was the most narrow minded I've > experienced - great days indeed, it's just selective memory. > > It's also very naive to suggest people buy the "marketing idea" when > selecting what to purchase, people aren't stupid. > > m >
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BERLIN HERE I COME!!! Okay Richie, it's over your SO finished. ;-) 2008/5/2 Toby Frith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > That's the way it is though. Some places are good for that music, and you > have to accept it. It's musical economics as it were. If you want to get > noticed, go and live in a place where you will be heard. > > Jeff Mills is the best example of this. > > > > > > > -Original Message- > From: Matthew Dickinson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 02 May 2008 10:27 > To: Martin Dust > Cc: 313 Mailing List > Subject: Re: (313) Easiest way to start a (313) argument - the Richie > Hawtin RA Podcast > > > > > Yeah, true. If your talking about London, Berlin or other major cities > for electronic music. There you have enough people into it that you > can still do kind of niche things and find people who like the same > stuff as you. I'm talking about Copenhagen. It's really, really hard > here sometimes. Event though you try your hardest and do all the right > things with regards to promotion etc. > > Some of the artists that have played to an empty club is pretty > mindbogling, ha ha. > > > 2008/5/2 Martin Dust <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > On 2 May 2008, at 10:10, Matthew Dickinson wrote: > > > > > > > I get what both of you are saying... but where I'm at it's REALLY > > > frustrating that most people don't seem to have much personal taste > > > but instead just follow the trends. It makes it hard to do something > > > that's outside the norm or what you want to call it. Yeah, I know I'm > > > wining a bit now, but sometimes, I get really pissed off. If it isn't > > > Ricardo, Luciano, Richie, Sven etc. then it's just not interesting. > > > > > > > But this has always been the case but I don't think it's as bad as it was, > > places like Fabric are putting on artists that wouldn't normally get a > "big" > > gig and people are finding good blogs for their sources rather than just > > magazines. Moaning about people who like funky house or Clubland Nation > > 10,000 is pretty pointless IHMO. > > > > I guess we just have to work harder to switch people on to stuff. > > > > m > > > > > For all the latest news and comment visit www.telegraph.co.uk. This > message, its contents and any attachments to it are private, confidential > and may be the subject of legal privilege. Any unauthorised disclosure, > use or dissemination of the whole or part of this message (without our > prior written consent) is prohibited. If you are not the intended > recipient, please notify us immediately. Incoming and outgoing telephone > calls to our offices may be monitored or recorded for training and quality > control purposes and for confirming orders and information. Telegraph Media > Group Limited is a limited liability company registered in England and > Wales (company number 451593). Our registered office address is: 111 > Buckingham Palace Road, London, SW1W 0DT. > >
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That's the way it is though. Some places are good for that music, and you have to accept it. It's musical economics as it were. If you want to get noticed, go and live in a place where you will be heard. Jeff Mills is the best example of this. -Original Message- From: Matthew Dickinson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 02 May 2008 10:27 To: Martin Dust Cc: 313 Mailing List Subject: Re: (313) Easiest way to start a (313) argument - the Richie Hawtin RA Podcast Yeah, true. If your talking about London, Berlin or other major cities for electronic music. There you have enough people into it that you can still do kind of niche things and find people who like the same stuff as you. I'm talking about Copenhagen. It's really, really hard here sometimes. Event though you try your hardest and do all the right things with regards to promotion etc. Some of the artists that have played to an empty club is pretty mindbogling, ha ha. 2008/5/2 Martin Dust <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On 2 May 2008, at 10:10, Matthew Dickinson wrote: > > > > I get what both of you are saying... but where I'm at it's REALLY > > frustrating that most people don't seem to have much personal taste > > but instead just follow the trends. It makes it hard to do something > > that's outside the norm or what you want to call it. Yeah, I know I'm > > wining a bit now, but sometimes, I get really pissed off. If it isn't > > Ricardo, Luciano, Richie, Sven etc. then it's just not interesting. > > > > But this has always been the case but I don't think it's as bad as it was, > places like Fabric are putting on artists that wouldn't normally get a "big" > gig and people are finding good blogs for their sources rather than just > magazines. Moaning about people who like funky house or Clubland Nation > 10,000 is pretty pointless IHMO. > > I guess we just have to work harder to switch people on to stuff. > > m > For all the latest news and comment visit www.telegraph.co.uk. This message, its contents and any attachments to it are private, confidential and may be the subject of legal privilege. Any unauthorised disclosure, use or dissemination of the whole or part of this message (without our prior written consent) is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately. Incoming and outgoing telephone calls to our offices may be monitored or recorded for training and quality control purposes and for confirming orders and information. Telegraph Media Group Limited is a limited liability company registered in England and Wales (company number 451593). Our registered office address is: 111 Buckingham Palace Road, London, SW1W 0DT.
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Yeah, true. If your talking about London, Berlin or other major cities for electronic music. There you have enough people into it that you can still do kind of niche things and find people who like the same stuff as you. I'm talking about Copenhagen. It's really, really hard here sometimes. Event though you try your hardest and do all the right things with regards to promotion etc. Some of the artists that have played to an empty club is pretty mindbogling, ha ha. 2008/5/2 Martin Dust <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On 2 May 2008, at 10:10, Matthew Dickinson wrote: > > > > I get what both of you are saying... but where I'm at it's REALLY > > frustrating that most people don't seem to have much personal taste > > but instead just follow the trends. It makes it hard to do something > > that's outside the norm or what you want to call it. Yeah, I know I'm > > wining a bit now, but sometimes, I get really pissed off. If it isn't > > Ricardo, Luciano, Richie, Sven etc. then it's just not interesting. > > > > But this has always been the case but I don't think it's as bad as it was, > places like Fabric are putting on artists that wouldn't normally get a "big" > gig and people are finding good blogs for their sources rather than just > magazines. Moaning about people who like funky house or Clubland Nation > 10,000 is pretty pointless IHMO. > > I guess we just have to work harder to switch people on to stuff. > > m >
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I dunno Martin. If you've got the secret formula for all the right people to contact to get me free graphic design and the right kind of press to score me gigs, please, by all means share it. Otherwise I really don't know what you're talking about. I've been DJing for over twelve years and I don't have anything even approaching a tiny shred of the notoriety that plastikman does, and I'm honestly every bit as good a DJ as he is. On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 5:22 AM, Martin Dust <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 2 May 2008, at 10:10, Matthew Dickinson wrote: > > > > I get what both of you are saying... but where I'm at it's REALLY > > frustrating that most people don't seem to have much personal taste > > but instead just follow the trends. It makes it hard to do something > > that's outside the norm or what you want to call it. Yeah, I know I'm > > wining a bit now, but sometimes, I get really pissed off. If it isn't > > Ricardo, Luciano, Richie, Sven etc. then it's just not interesting. > > > > But this has always been the case but I don't think it's as bad as it was, > places like Fabric are putting on artists that wouldn't normally get a "big" > gig and people are finding good blogs for their sources rather than just > magazines. Moaning about people who like funky house or Clubland Nation > 10,000 is pretty pointless IHMO. > > I guess we just have to work harder to switch people on to stuff. > > m > -- peace, frank dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com
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On 2 May 2008, at 10:10, Matthew Dickinson wrote: I get what both of you are saying... but where I'm at it's REALLY frustrating that most people don't seem to have much personal taste but instead just follow the trends. It makes it hard to do something that's outside the norm or what you want to call it. Yeah, I know I'm wining a bit now, but sometimes, I get really pissed off. If it isn't Ricardo, Luciano, Richie, Sven etc. then it's just not interesting. But this has always been the case but I don't think it's as bad as it was, places like Fabric are putting on artists that wouldn't normally get a "big" gig and people are finding good blogs for their sources rather than just magazines. Moaning about people who like funky house or Clubland Nation 10,000 is pretty pointless IHMO. I guess we just have to work harder to switch people on to stuff. m
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I get what both of you are saying... but where I'm at it's REALLY frustrating that most people don't seem to have much personal taste but instead just follow the trends. It makes it hard to do something that's outside the norm or what you want to call it. Yeah, I know I'm wining a bit now, but sometimes, I get really pissed off. If it isn't Ricardo, Luciano, Richie, Sven etc. then it's just not interesting. 2008/5/2 Martin Dust <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > On 2 May 2008, at 09:50, Matt Chester wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I just think it's lazy to say "he's good a marketing" because to be > honest it's not that hard to market records and do good artwork - you could > ring and email all the press in about 2hrs!!! UR are just as good for > example, as are Bpitch - the list is pretty endless. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Pretty easy to say when you work in the design & marketing business! > It's easy to do all this stuff if you are naturally pre-disposed to it and > already have the necessary skills - however for some people it can be very > difficult indeed. Forging contacts with press requires a particular > mindset and, how shall we say, 'verbal skills', which many great artists > lack. > > > > I disagree Matt, it's not hard to find a design company that will do your > labels for free if you let them do what they want to and most of the press > contacts are printed in the magazines, doing a two para press release isn't > that taxing surely but I do take your point that some are better or more > suited than others but it's not really an excuse or a reason to lay blame, > is it? > > > > > > > > > It's also very naive to suggest people buy the "marketing idea" when > selecting what to purchase, people aren't stupid. > > > > > > > > - Are these the same people who seem about to elect a clown for Mayor of > London? > > > > You tell me, most people take their music more seriously than voting for > Boris for a laugh ;) You get what you deserve and most people moaning about > it didn't even bother voting. > > > > > > Facetiousness aside, I think it's crazy to suggest that people aren't led > by good marketing! Music buyers like every other member of the shopping > public will generally take what's spoonfed to them - more discerning buyers > like those on this list are pretty rare in comparison to the legion sheep > out there who will go for whatever the latest trend is. > > > > I don't know anyone who buys something they don't like but you have to > accept there will always be "market leaders" but it really shouldn't come as > a shock to anyone of this list that advertising works. > > > > > > Do you really think the 10,000 people all nodding away druggily to > Richie's sets at Sonar or wherever were there because they REALLY loved his > music? It would be nice to think that the scene was some kind of meritocracy > where the cream naturally rises to the top, but I think all the evidence > suggests otherwise. > > > > I can't speak for them but I'll be going to see him cos I like his music > and the world isn't fair - humanity, the devil I tell thee :) but why > concern yourself with who's at the "top" and the grass is green stuff - just > do your stuff and be happy. > > > m > >
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On 2 May 2008, at 09:50, Matt Chester wrote: I just think it's lazy to say "he's good a marketing" because to be honest it's not that hard to market records and do good artwork - you could ring and email all the press in about 2hrs!!! UR are just as good for example, as are Bpitch - the list is pretty endless. - Pretty easy to say when you work in the design & marketing business! It's easy to do all this stuff if you are naturally pre- disposed to it and already have the necessary skills - however for some people it can be very difficult indeed. Forging contacts with press requires a particular mindset and, how shall we say, 'verbal skills', which many great artists lack. I disagree Matt, it's not hard to find a design company that will do your labels for free if you let them do what they want to and most of the press contacts are printed in the magazines, doing a two para press release isn't that taxing surely but I do take your point that some are better or more suited than others but it's not really an excuse or a reason to lay blame, is it? It's also very naive to suggest people buy the "marketing idea" when selecting what to purchase, people aren't stupid. - Are these the same people who seem about to elect a clown for Mayor of London? You tell me, most people take their music more seriously than voting for Boris for a laugh ;) You get what you deserve and most people moaning about it didn't even bother voting. Facetiousness aside, I think it's crazy to suggest that people aren't led by good marketing! Music buyers like every other member of the shopping public will generally take what's spoonfed to them - more discerning buyers like those on this list are pretty rare in comparison to the legion sheep out there who will go for whatever the latest trend is. I don't know anyone who buys something they don't like but you have to accept there will always be "market leaders" but it really shouldn't come as a shock to anyone of this list that advertising works. Do you really think the 10,000 people all nodding away druggily to Richie's sets at Sonar or wherever were there because they REALLY loved his music? It would be nice to think that the scene was some kind of meritocracy where the cream naturally rises to the top, but I think all the evidence suggests otherwise. I can't speak for them but I'll be going to see him cos I like his music and the world isn't fair - humanity, the devil I tell thee :) but why concern yourself with who's at the "top" and the grass is green stuff - just do your stuff and be happy. m
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I just think it's lazy to say "he's good a marketing" because to be honest it's not that hard to market records and do good artwork - you could ring and email all the press in about 2hrs!!! UR are just as good for example, as are Bpitch - the list is pretty endless. - Pretty easy to say when you work in the design & marketing business! It's easy to do all this stuff if you are naturally pre-disposed to it and already have the necessary skills - however for some people it can be very difficult indeed. Forging contacts with press requires a particular mindset and, how shall we say, 'verbal skills', which many great artists lack. It's also very naive to suggest people buy the "marketing idea" when selecting what to purchase, people aren't stupid. - Are these the same people who seem about to elect a clown for Mayor of London? Facetiousness aside, I think it's crazy to suggest that people aren't led by good marketing! Music buyers like every other member of the shopping public will generally take what's spoonfed to them - more discerning buyers like those on this list are pretty rare in comparison to the legion sheep out there who will go for whatever the latest trend is. Do you really think the 10,000 people all nodding away druggily to Richie's sets at Sonar or wherever were there because they REALLY loved his music? It would be nice to think that the scene was some kind of meritocracy where the cream naturally rises to the top, but I think all the evidence suggests otherwise. -- *matt chester 11th hour recordings* www.myspace.com/mattchester1 www.myspace.com/11thhourrecordings www.virb.com/mattchester www.11-hour.com
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On 2 May 2008, at 09:02, Odeluga, Ken wrote: I haven't even heard the mix so I've no opinion on whether it's good or bad. However it seems fair to agree that Hawtin is very good at marketing. Whether his marketing skills outweigh his musical ones though, that's where it becomes a matter of opinion, innit? I just think it's lazy to say "he's good a marketing" because to be honest it's not that hard to market records and do good artwork - you could ring and email all the press in about 2hrs!!! UR are just as good for example, as are Bpitch - the list is pretty endless. People focus on the wrong thing with him and take the easy way out, it's almost become a natural habit for many. It's like listening to people bang on about how good the Orbit was, well the last two years where shocking, the line-ups were very, very poor and the crowd was the most narrow minded I've experienced - great days indeed, it's just selective memory. It's also very naive to suggest people buy the "marketing idea" when selecting what to purchase, people aren't stupid. m
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I haven't even heard the mix so I've no opinion on whether it's good or bad. However it seems fair to agree that Hawtin is very good at marketing. Whether his marketing skills outweigh his musical ones though, that's where it becomes a matter of opinion, innit? -Original Message- From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 8:55 AM To: 313 Mailing List Subject: Re: (313) Easiest way to start a (313) argument - the Richie Hawtin RA Podcast I really enjoyed the mix, there's some good stuff in there - I don't think it just marketing either but that's all people seem to focus on, it's easy to talk about the wrong thing ;) On 2 May 2008, at 08:02, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Yeah me too- he seems like a decent guy in the flesh but to me his > main strength is in marketing, not music. > > 2008/5/2 kent williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> Yeah, I listened to it at work. I always try and give Mr. Hawtin a >> chance, since the one time I met him he was quite nice to me, and >> seemed like an intelligent guy. >> >> But... it doesn't really make me bust a grin, which a good mix will. >> It was OK, but I listened at work and it turned into sonic wallpaper. >> I kind of like the last Decks&fx CD but had the same impression -- >> it's great background music for computer programming -- Dilbert >> Techno. There's a place for that, but I think I wouldn't much like >> to >> see him play out if that's the way he mixes. Give me some variation >> and drama! >>
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I really enjoyed the mix, there's some good stuff in there - I don't think it just marketing either but that's all people seem to focus on, it's easy to talk about the wrong thing ;) On 2 May 2008, at 08:02, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah me too- he seems like a decent guy in the flesh but to me his main strength is in marketing, not music. 2008/5/2 kent williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Yeah, I listened to it at work. I always try and give Mr. Hawtin a chance, since the one time I met him he was quite nice to me, and seemed like an intelligent guy. But... it doesn't really make me bust a grin, which a good mix will. It was OK, but I listened at work and it turned into sonic wallpaper. I kind of like the last Decks&fx CD but had the same impression -- it's great background music for computer programming -- Dilbert Techno. There's a place for that, but I think I wouldn't much like to see him play out if that's the way he mixes. Give me some variation and drama!
Re: (313) Easiest way to start a (313) argument - the Richie Hawtin RA Podcast
You know what? I am pretty sure I hate everything richie hawtin has done since the Consumed album (save the exception that proves the rule, his "low blow" track that he did with steve bug), but if he had never done anything but "Spastik", I'd still consider him a god amongst techno men. SPASTIK FOR CHRISSAKES. You just can't beat it. On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 9:35 PM, kent williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yeah, I listened to it at work. I always try and give Mr. Hawtin a > chance, since the one time I met him he was quite nice to me, and > seemed like an intelligent guy. > > But... it doesn't really make me bust a grin, which a good mix will. > It was OK, but I listened at work and it turned into sonic wallpaper. > I kind of like the last Decks&fx CD but had the same impression -- > it's great background music for computer programming -- Dilbert > Techno. There's a place for that, but I think I wouldn't much like to > see him play out if that's the way he mixes. Give me some variation > and drama! > > > > On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 8:16 PM, Greg Earle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Now that Tom is too busy writing Model 500 articles > > for Resident Advisor, how are we going to stir (313) > > into a hornet's nest? Just mention Richie :) > > > > http://www.residentadvisor.net/podcast-episode.aspx?id=100 > > > > Direct iTunes Music Store Podcast link: > > > > http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast?id=129673441 > > > > This direct link might work, if you have an RA account: > > > > > > > http://ra2.residentadvisor.net/audio/RA100_080428_Richie-Hawtin-residentadvisor.net.mp3 > > > > - Greg > > > > > > > -- peace, frank dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com
Re: (313) Easiest way to start a (313) argument - the Richie Hawtin RA Podcast
Yeah me too- he seems like a decent guy in the flesh but to me his main strength is in marketing, not music. 2008/5/2 kent williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Yeah, I listened to it at work. I always try and give Mr. Hawtin a > chance, since the one time I met him he was quite nice to me, and > seemed like an intelligent guy. > > But... it doesn't really make me bust a grin, which a good mix will. > It was OK, but I listened at work and it turned into sonic wallpaper. > I kind of like the last Decks&fx CD but had the same impression -- > it's great background music for computer programming -- Dilbert > Techno. There's a place for that, but I think I wouldn't much like to > see him play out if that's the way he mixes. Give me some variation > and drama! > > > > On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 8:16 PM, Greg Earle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Now that Tom is too busy writing Model 500 articles > > for Resident Advisor, how are we going to stir (313) > > into a hornet's nest? Just mention Richie :) > > > > http://www.residentadvisor.net/podcast-episode.aspx?id=100 > > > > Direct iTunes Music Store Podcast link: > > > > http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast?id=129673441 > > > > This direct link might work, if you have an RA account: > > > > > > > http://ra2.residentadvisor.net/audio/RA100_080428_Richie-Hawtin-residentadvisor.net.mp3 > > > > - Greg > > > > > > >
Re: (313) Easiest way to start a (313) argument - the Richie Hawtin RA Podcast
Yeah, I listened to it at work. I always try and give Mr. Hawtin a chance, since the one time I met him he was quite nice to me, and seemed like an intelligent guy. But... it doesn't really make me bust a grin, which a good mix will. It was OK, but I listened at work and it turned into sonic wallpaper. I kind of like the last Decks&fx CD but had the same impression -- it's great background music for computer programming -- Dilbert Techno. There's a place for that, but I think I wouldn't much like to see him play out if that's the way he mixes. Give me some variation and drama! On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 8:16 PM, Greg Earle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Now that Tom is too busy writing Model 500 articles > for Resident Advisor, how are we going to stir (313) > into a hornet's nest? Just mention Richie :) > > http://www.residentadvisor.net/podcast-episode.aspx?id=100 > > Direct iTunes Music Store Podcast link: > > http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast?id=129673441 > > This direct link might work, if you have an RA account: > > > http://ra2.residentadvisor.net/audio/RA100_080428_Richie-Hawtin-residentadvisor.net.mp3 > > - Greg > > >
