[AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over?
Trump rally cancelled ...some skirmishes...The Whole World is Watching
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But in 68 the violence was outside the venue... From: Jaime Solorza Sent: Friday, March 11, 2016 8:33 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? Trump rally cancelled ...some skirmishes...The Whole World is Watching
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Yep On Mar 11, 2016 9:33 PM, "Chuck McCown" wrote: > But in 68 the violence was outside the venue... > > *From:* Jaime Solorza > *Sent:* Friday, March 11, 2016 8:33 PM > *To:* Animal Farm > *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? > > > Trump rally cancelled ...some skirmishes...The Whole World is Watching >
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Make America 1968 Again From: Jaime Solorza Sent: Friday, March 11, 2016 10:40 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? Yep On Mar 11, 2016 9:33 PM, "Chuck McCown" wrote: But in 68 the violence was outside the venue... From: Jaime Solorza Sent: Friday, March 11, 2016 8:33 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? Trump rally cancelled ...some skirmishes...The Whole World is Watching
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No thanks. From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Friday, March 11, 2016 9:53 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? Make America 1968 Again From: Jaime Solorza Sent: Friday, March 11, 2016 10:40 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? Yep On Mar 11, 2016 9:33 PM, "Chuck McCown" wrote: But in 68 the violence was outside the venue... From: Jaime Solorza Sent: Friday, March 11, 2016 8:33 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? Trump rally cancelled ...some skirmishes...The Whole World is Watching
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So, in your opinion, white fault is it? On Fri, Mar 11, 2016, 11:11 PM Chuck McCown wrote: > No thanks. > > *From:* Ken Hohhof > *Sent:* Friday, March 11, 2016 9:53 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? > > Make America 1968 Again > > *From:* Jaime Solorza > *Sent:* Friday, March 11, 2016 10:40 PM > *To:* Animal Farm > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? > > > Yep > On Mar 11, 2016 9:33 PM, "Chuck McCown" wrote: > >> But in 68 the violence was outside the venue... >> >> *From:* Jaime Solorza >> *Sent:* Friday, March 11, 2016 8:33 PM >> *To:* Animal Farm >> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? >> >> >> Trump rally cancelled ...some skirmishes...The Whole World is >> Watching >> >
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Interesting question Lewis.back then it was the Vietnam War... On Mar 12, 2016 5:11 AM, "Lewis Bergman" wrote: > So, in your opinion, white fault is it? > > On Fri, Mar 11, 2016, 11:11 PM Chuck McCown wrote: > >> No thanks. >> >> *From:* Ken Hohhof >> *Sent:* Friday, March 11, 2016 9:53 PM >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? >> >> Make America 1968 Again >> >> *From:* Jaime Solorza >> *Sent:* Friday, March 11, 2016 10:40 PM >> *To:* Animal Farm >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? >> >> >> Yep >> On Mar 11, 2016 9:33 PM, "Chuck McCown" wrote: >> >>> But in 68 the violence was outside the venue... >>> >>> *From:* Jaime Solorza >>> *Sent:* Friday, March 11, 2016 8:33 PM >>> *To:* Animal Farm >>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? >>> >>> >>> Trump rally cancelled ...some skirmishes...The Whole World is >>> Watching >>> >>
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Damn auto correct. Should be who's fault is it? IMHO Trump's speech has encouraged some of this and idiots on both sides take it the rest of the way. He seems to be trying to tone things down a bit lately. I would hope most don't think we are in the same situation now as in 1968. Not that there aren't similarities, just that it would seem to me that there are major differences, especially concerning the morality of the other side in the conflict. On Sat, Mar 12, 2016, 7:29 AM Jaime Solorza wrote: > Interesting question Lewis.back then it was the Vietnam War... > On Mar 12, 2016 5:11 AM, "Lewis Bergman" wrote: > >> So, in your opinion, white fault is it? >> >> On Fri, Mar 11, 2016, 11:11 PM Chuck McCown wrote: >> >>> No thanks. >>> >>> *From:* Ken Hohhof >>> *Sent:* Friday, March 11, 2016 9:53 PM >>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? >>> >>> Make America 1968 Again >>> >>> *From:* Jaime Solorza >>> *Sent:* Friday, March 11, 2016 10:40 PM >>> *To:* Animal Farm >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? >>> >>> >>> Yep >>> On Mar 11, 2016 9:33 PM, "Chuck McCown" wrote: >>> >>>> But in 68 the violence was outside the venue... >>>> >>>> *From:* Jaime Solorza >>>> *Sent:* Friday, March 11, 2016 8:33 PM >>>> *To:* Animal Farm >>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? >>>> >>>> >>>> Trump rally cancelled ...some skirmishes...The Whole World is >>>> Watching >>>> >>>
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Every citizen has the right to free speech. And that right that we all have as laid out in the Bill of Rights was meant to protect ALL speech and most specifically speech others found offensive. The words out of someone's mouth should never be the cause for violence. Doesn't matter where you stand politically.
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Fault? Its human natureyou push me and I push back...most fights start that way...literally and figuratively... Trump doesn't deny he has asked him audience to beat the crap of those "bad dudes"...let's go back to old dayswhat civil rights riots? Wallace? Lynching? He is playing to the older white man who fears foreigners are taking over the US. Xenophobia was one of Hitler and others methods used to create a fervor and led to murder of millions. i have a different perspective on things from my ancestors and upbringing plus traveling. Travel outside USA and your eyes open a bit more.I normally stay quiet on politics but not this time.too much at stake...Trump will not win.
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Seriously Louis? Black Lives Matter has been caught on tape wanting to kill police officers and you think Trump started this? Thugs are going to be thugs, they just need a reason to be violent. I will tell you that if I went to an event to listen to a politician and I saw a thug stomping on an American Flag like I saw on the news, yes, there would be immediate violence. Too many brave Americans have died for the rights we have and their memories and sacrifice should never be dishonored. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 6:35 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? Damn auto correct. Should be who's fault is it? IMHO Trump's speech has encouraged some of this and idiots on both sides take it the rest of the way. He seems to be trying to tone things down a bit lately. I would hope most don't think we are in the same situation now as in 1968. Not that there aren't similarities, just that it would seem to me that there are major differences, especially concerning the morality of the other side in the conflict. On Sat, Mar 12, 2016, 7:29 AM Jaime Solorza mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote: Interesting question Lewis.back then it was the Vietnam War... On Mar 12, 2016 5:11 AM, "Lewis Bergman" mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com>> wrote: So, in your opinion, white fault is it? On Fri, Mar 11, 2016, 11:11 PM Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote: No thanks. From: Ken Hohhof<mailto:af...@kwisp.com> Sent: Friday, March 11, 2016 9:53 PM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? Make America 1968 Again From: Jaime Solorza<mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com> Sent: Friday, March 11, 2016 10:40 PM To: Animal Farm<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? Yep On Mar 11, 2016 9:33 PM, "Chuck McCown" mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote: But in 68 the violence was outside the venue... From: Jaime Solorza<mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com> Sent: Friday, March 11, 2016 8:33 PM To: Animal Farm<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? Trump rally cancelled ...some skirmishes...The Whole World is Watching
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Jaime, travel to the WWII museum and learn about the sacrifices we made as a country to stop men like Hitler. You have so mischaracterized what Trump is saying but I’d rather take this discussion elsewhere to someplace like Facebook. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 6:59 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? Fault? Its human natureyou push me and I push back...most fights start that way...literally and figuratively... Trump doesn't deny he has asked him audience to beat the crap of those "bad dudes"...let's go back to old dayswhat civil rights riots? Wallace? Lynching? He is playing to the older white man who fears foreigners are taking over the US. Xenophobia was one of Hitler and others methods used to create a fervor and led to murder of millions. i have a different perspective on things from my ancestors and upbringing plus traveling. Travel outside USA and your eyes open a bit more. I normally stay quiet on politics but not this time.too much at stake...Trump will not win.
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No need Rory.. my grandfather WWIi vet my dad Korean war vet..my brother and son Iraq war vetsI don't agree someone should stomp on flag but I would not hit them for that...as much as I hate people calling Obama names it is their right in our country... Trump is inciting allot of this and others play into it. Doesn't matter the group...violence is only going to get violence. I was born here in US as well as my family five generations back but it has not stop people from calling me a spik or wetback in East Texas or Phoenix Arizona.Told to go back to Mexico in Scottsdale from a passing car...never face to face. I would not hit them unless I needed to defend myself or others. The Black Lives group should not condone violence either but we have seen what has happened to innocent kids.I challenge you to look up Pete Wilson and Ruben Salazarmore to come... please don't ever question my patriotism...you'd be surprised how you don't know about history... On Mar 12, 2016 7:05 AM, "Rory Conaway" wrote: > Jaime, travel to the WWII museum and learn about the sacrifices we made as > a country to stop men like Hitler. You have so mischaracterized what Trump > is saying but I’d rather take this discussion elsewhere to someplace like > Facebook. > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza > *Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 6:59 AM > *To:* Animal Farm > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? > > > > Fault? Its human natureyou push me and I push back...most fights > start that way...literally and figuratively... Trump doesn't deny he has > asked him audience to beat the crap of those "bad dudes"...let's go back to > old dayswhat civil rights riots? Wallace? Lynching? He is playing to > the older white man who fears foreigners are taking over the US. Xenophobia > was one of Hitler and others methods used to create a fervor and led to > murder of millions. i have a different perspective on things from my > ancestors and upbringing plus traveling. Travel outside USA and your eyes > open a bit more.I normally stay quiet on politics but not this > time.too much at stake...Trump will not win. >
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I hope you realize that everyone participating in this discussion is an Adult, and a Patriot. Everyone is very much concerned about the future of our great nation. The discussion is over the events as they are unfolding. It is very interesting to me, as an independent, that folks on the right are so upset, and so polarized in their view that they are willing to accept bad behavior from anyone of their affiliated party, since that person can do nothing wrong and the other side cannot do nothing right... I fully understand that everyone is passionate, but exchange of views in a polite healthy manner is the proper decorum, watching the GOP primaries turn into a circus act is embarrassing, because the world is watching, and to see folks trying to explain and justify is even more troubling. Bad behavior is bad behavior, it should be called out, and it should not bt acceptable at any level from anyone. While the media is fully responsible for fueling the fire and covering only the inciting stuff watch closely the clips of trouble at the Trump rallies, there appears to be an steadily increasing amount of 'supporter participation' in this bad behavior (when someone is being lead out, by security there are folks hitting and throwing punches at the person being lead out).. and Mr Trump constantly refuses to condemn such behavior, which indicates approval. While you can explain it and justify it which ever way you want, some of us who have had a broader view of the world, have seen this type of behavior and events , in the other parts of the world.. and the end results were not very good for anyone As such their is rising concern. The GOP is playing with Fire, one they think they can control historically speaking when that particular type of genie is let out of the bottle, no one has been able to control it . :) Regards Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > From: "Rory Conaway" > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 9:05:42 AM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? > Jaime, travel to the WWII museum and learn about the sacrifices we made as a > country to stop men like Hitler. You have so mischaracterized what Trump is > saying but I’d rather take this discussion elsewhere to someplace like > Facebook. > Rory > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza > Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 6:59 AM > To: Animal Farm > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? > Fault? Its human natureyou push me and I push back...most fights start > that > way...literally and figuratively... Trump doesn't deny he has asked him > audience to beat the crap of those "bad dudes"...let's go back to old > dayswhat civil rights riots? Wallace? Lynching? He is playing to the older > white man who fears foreigners are taking over the US. Xenophobia was one of > Hitler and others methods used to create a fervor and led to murder of > millions. i have a different perspective on things from my ancestors and > upbringing plus traveling. Travel outside USA and your eyes open a bit more. I > normally stay quiet on politics but not this time.too much at > stake...Trump > will not win.
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I assumed the 1968 reference was to the Democratic convention in Chicago. From: Rory Conaway Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 8:05 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? Jaime, travel to the WWII museum and learn about the sacrifices we made as a country to stop men like Hitler. You have so mischaracterized what Trump is saying but I’d rather take this discussion elsewhere to someplace like Facebook. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 6:59 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? Fault? Its human natureyou push me and I push back...most fights start that way...literally and figuratively... Trump doesn't deny he has asked him audience to beat the crap of those "bad dudes"...let's go back to old dayswhat civil rights riots? Wallace? Lynching? He is playing to the older white man who fears foreigners are taking over the US. Xenophobia was one of Hitler and others methods used to create a fervor and led to murder of millions. i have a different perspective on things from my ancestors and upbringing plus traveling. Travel outside USA and your eyes open a bit more. I normally stay quiet on politics but not this time.too much at stake...Trump will not win.
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I stand corrected and apologize. At the same time, I believe that a lot of this violence has been caused by Obama, his actions, and his words with his policies aggravating the situation. I am not familiar with Pete Wilson but Ruben Salazar was way before my time. Like I said though, I’d rather take this discussion elsewhere. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 7:26 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? No need Rory.. my grandfather WWIi vet my dad Korean war vet..my brother and son Iraq war vetsI don't agree someone should stomp on flag but I would not hit them for that...as much as I hate people calling Obama names it is their right in our country... Trump is inciting allot of this and others play into it. Doesn't matter the group...violence is only going to get violence. I was born here in US as well as my family five generations back but it has not stop people from calling me a spik or wetback in East Texas or Phoenix Arizona. Told to go back to Mexico in Scottsdale from a passing car...never face to face. I would not hit them unless I needed to defend myself or others. The Black Lives group should not condone violence either but we have seen what has happened to innocent kids.I challenge you to look up Pete Wilson and Ruben Salazarmore to come... please don't ever question my patriotism...you'd be surprised how you don't know about history... On Mar 12, 2016 7:05 AM, "Rory Conaway" mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote: Jaime, travel to the WWII museum and learn about the sacrifices we made as a country to stop men like Hitler. You have so mischaracterized what Trump is saying but I’d rather take this discussion elsewhere to someplace like Facebook. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 6:59 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? Fault? Its human natureyou push me and I push back...most fights start that way...literally and figuratively... Trump doesn't deny he has asked him audience to beat the crap of those "bad dudes"...let's go back to old dayswhat civil rights riots? Wallace? Lynching? He is playing to the older white man who fears foreigners are taking over the US. Xenophobia was one of Hitler and others methods used to create a fervor and led to murder of millions. i have a different perspective on things from my ancestors and upbringing plus traveling. Travel outside USA and your eyes open a bit more. I normally stay quiet on politics but not this time.too much at stake...Trump will not win.
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I don't Facebook or TwitterRuben Salazar was shot by Pete Wilson from LA Sheriff department with tear gas gun during LA riots. Salazar was a reporter who covered many rallies and exposed allot. Coincidence? Wrong place wrong timeWilson never arrested... On Mar 12, 2016 7:34 AM, "Rory Conaway" wrote: > I stand corrected and apologize. At the same time, I believe that a lot > of this violence has been caused by Obama, his actions, and his words with > his policies aggravating the situation. I am not familiar with Pete Wilson > but Ruben Salazar was way before my time. Like I said though, I’d rather > take this discussion elsewhere. > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza > *Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 7:26 AM > *To:* Animal Farm > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? > > > > No need Rory.. my grandfather WWIi vet my dad Korean war vet..my brother > and son Iraq war vetsI don't agree someone should stomp on flag but I > would not hit them for that...as much as I hate people calling Obama names > it is their right in our country... Trump is inciting allot of this and > others play into it. Doesn't matter the group...violence is only going to > get violence. I was born here in US as well as my family five generations > back but it has not stop people from calling me a spik or wetback in East > Texas or Phoenix Arizona.Told to go back to Mexico in Scottsdale from a > passing car...never face to face. I would not hit them unless I needed to > defend myself or others. The Black Lives group should not condone violence > either but we have seen what has happened to innocent kids.I challenge > you to look up Pete Wilson and Ruben Salazarmore to come... please > don't ever question my patriotism...you'd be surprised how you don't know > about history... > > On Mar 12, 2016 7:05 AM, "Rory Conaway" wrote: > > Jaime, travel to the WWII museum and learn about the sacrifices we made as > a country to stop men like Hitler. You have so mischaracterized what Trump > is saying but I’d rather take this discussion elsewhere to someplace like > Facebook. > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza > *Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 6:59 AM > *To:* Animal Farm > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? > > > > Fault? Its human natureyou push me and I push back...most fights > start that way...literally and figuratively... Trump doesn't deny he has > asked him audience to beat the crap of those "bad dudes"...let's go back to > old dayswhat civil rights riots? Wallace? Lynching? He is playing to > the older white man who fears foreigners are taking over the US. Xenophobia > was one of Hitler and others methods used to create a fervor and led to > murder of millions. i have a different perspective on things from my > ancestors and upbringing plus traveling. Travel outside USA and your eyes > open a bit more.I normally stay quiet on politics but not this > time.too much at stake...Trump will not win. > >
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Faisal, I’m ready to continue our other discussion. BTW, Black Lives Matter showed up to the Chicago rally and now there is looting and gun fire. I really doubt the Trump supporters are doing that. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 7:32 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? I hope you realize that everyone participating in this discussion is an Adult, and a Patriot. Everyone is very much concerned about the future of our great nation. The discussion is over the events as they are unfolding. It is very interesting to me, as an independent, that folks on the right are so upset, and so polarized in their view that they are willing to accept bad behavior from anyone of their affiliated party, since that person can do nothing wrong and the other side cannot do nothing right... I fully understand that everyone is passionate, but exchange of views in a polite healthy manner is the proper decorum, watching the GOP primaries turn into a circus act is embarrassing, because the world is watching, and to see folks trying to explain and justify is even more troubling. Bad behavior is bad behavior, it should be called out, and it should not bt acceptable at any level from anyone. While the media is fully responsible for fueling the fire and covering only the inciting stuff watch closely the clips of trouble at the Trump rallies, there appears to be an steadily increasing amount of 'supporter participation' in this bad behavior (when someone is being lead out, by security there are folks hitting and throwing punches at the person being lead out).. and Mr Trump constantly refuses to condemn such behavior, which indicates approval. While you can explain it and justify it which ever way you want, some of us who have had a broader view of the world, have seen this type of behavior and events , in the other parts of the world.. and the end results were not very good for anyone As such their is rising concern. The GOP is playing with Fire, one they think they can control historically speaking when that particular type of genie is let out of the bottle, no one has been able to control it . :) Regards Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net<mailto:supp...@snappytelecom.net> From: "Rory Conaway" mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 9:05:42 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? Jaime, travel to the WWII museum and learn about the sacrifices we made as a country to stop men like Hitler. You have so mischaracterized what Trump is saying but I’d rather take this discussion elsewhere to someplace like Facebook. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 6:59 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? Fault? Its human natureyou push me and I push back...most fights start that way...literally and figuratively... Trump doesn't deny he has asked him audience to beat the crap of those "bad dudes"...let's go back to old dayswhat civil rights riots? Wallace? Lynching? He is playing to the older white man who fears foreigners are taking over the US. Xenophobia was one of Hitler and others methods used to create a fervor and led to murder of millions. i have a different perspective on things from my ancestors and upbringing plus traveling. Travel outside USA and your eyes open a bit more. I normally stay quiet on politics but not this time.too much at stake...Trump will not win.
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Very true On Sat, Mar 12, 2016, 7:54 AM can...@believewireless.net < p...@believewireless.net> wrote: > Every citizen has the right to free speech. And that right that we all > have as laid out in the Bill of Rights was meant > to protect ALL speech and most specifically speech others found offensive. > > The words out of someone's mouth should never be the cause for violence. > Doesn't matter where you stand politically. > >
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I have traveled extensively as well, but we still manage to have vastly different views. On Sat, Mar 12, 2016, 7:58 AM Jaime Solorza wrote: > Fault? Its human natureyou push me and I push back...most fights > start that way...literally and figuratively... Trump doesn't deny he has > asked him audience to beat the crap of those "bad dudes"...let's go back to > old dayswhat civil rights riots? Wallace? Lynching? He is playing to > the older white man who fears foreigners are taking over the US. Xenophobia > was one of Hitler and others methods used to create a fervor and led to > murder of millions. i have a different perspective on things from my > ancestors and upbringing plus traveling. Travel outside USA and your eyes > open a bit more.I normally stay quiet on politics but not this > time.too much at stake...Trump will not win. >
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Black people really seem to set you off. From: Rory Conaway Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 8:51 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? Faisal, I’m ready to continue our other discussion. BTW, Black Lives Matter showed up to the Chicago rally and now there is looting and gun fire. I really doubt the Trump supporters are doing that. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 7:32 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? I hope you realize that everyone participating in this discussion is an Adult, and a Patriot. Everyone is very much concerned about the future of our great nation. The discussion is over the events as they are unfolding. It is very interesting to me, as an independent, that folks on the right are so upset, and so polarized in their view that they are willing to accept bad behavior from anyone of their affiliated party, since that person can do nothing wrong and the other side cannot do nothing right... I fully understand that everyone is passionate, but exchange of views in a polite healthy manner is the proper decorum, watching the GOP primaries turn into a circus act is embarrassing, because the world is watching, and to see folks trying to explain and justify is even more troubling. Bad behavior is bad behavior, it should be called out, and it should not bt acceptable at any level from anyone. While the media is fully responsible for fueling the fire and covering only the inciting stuff watch closely the clips of trouble at the Trump rallies, there appears to be an steadily increasing amount of 'supporter participation' in this bad behavior (when someone is being lead out, by security there are folks hitting and throwing punches at the person being lead out).. and Mr Trump constantly refuses to condemn such behavior, which indicates approval. While you can explain it and justify it which ever way you want, some of us who have had a broader view of the world, have seen this type of behavior and events , in the other parts of the world.. and the end results were not very good for anyone As such their is rising concern. The GOP is playing with Fire, one they think they can control historically speaking when that particular type of genie is let out of the bottle, no one has been able to control it . :) Regards Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net From: "Rory Conaway" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 9:05:42 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? Jaime, travel to the WWII museum and learn about the sacrifices we made as a country to stop men like Hitler. You have so mischaracterized what Trump is saying but I’d rather take this discussion elsewhere to someplace like Facebook. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 6:59 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? Fault? Its human natureyou push me and I push back...most fights start that way...literally and figuratively... Trump doesn't deny he has asked him audience to beat the crap of those "bad dudes"...let's go back to old dayswhat civil rights riots? Wallace? Lynching? He is playing to the older white man who fears foreigners are taking over the US. Xenophobia was one of Hitler and others methods used to create a fervor and led to murder of millions. i have a different perspective on things from my ancestors and upbringing plus traveling. Travel outside USA and your eyes open a bit more. I normally stay quiet on politics but not this time.too much at stake...Trump will not win.
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I am merely stating the obvious. Annoyed up speech has the desired effect, it amps people up. I am not saying he is telling due in a crowded theater. Let's face it, many people are waiting for an excuse to swing their fists at someone, anyone. As you say, I am for free speech, but it does not surprise me that Trump is the candidate they choose to express their gear towards. In fact, I'll state here and now that I am for flash burning. I don't agree with doing it, but if that is how you choose to express yourself get on with it. I think our country and the constitution is stronger when we are the country that won't throw people in jail or beat someone because they stink on our burn a rectangle shaped cloth of a specific pattern and color. I am sure we will disagree on this, but we both served. On Sat, Mar 12, 2016, 8:03 AM Rory Conaway wrote: > Seriously Louis? Black Lives Matter has been caught on tape wanting to > kill police officers and you think Trump started this? Thugs are going to > be thugs, they just need a reason to be violent. I will tell you that if I > went to an event to listen to a politician and I saw a thug stomping on an > American Flag like I saw on the news, yes, there would be immediate > violence. Too many brave Americans have died for the rights we have and > their memories and sacrifice should never be dishonored. > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman > *Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 6:35 AM > > > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? > > > > Damn auto correct. Should be who's fault is it? IMHO Trump's speech has > encouraged some of this and idiots on both sides take it the rest of the > way. > > > He seems to be trying to tone things down a bit lately. > I would hope most don't think we are in the same situation now as in 1968. > Not that there aren't similarities, just that it would seem to me that > there are major differences, especially concerning the morality of the > other side in the conflict. > > On Sat, Mar 12, 2016, 7:29 AM Jaime Solorza > wrote: > > Interesting question Lewis.back then it was the Vietnam War... > > On Mar 12, 2016 5:11 AM, "Lewis Bergman" wrote: > > So, in your opinion, white fault is it? > > > > On Fri, Mar 11, 2016, 11:11 PM Chuck McCown wrote: > > No thanks. > > > > *From:* Ken Hohhof > > *Sent:* Friday, March 11, 2016 9:53 PM > > *To:* af@afmug.com > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? > > > > Make America 1968 Again > > > > *From:* Jaime Solorza > > *Sent:* Friday, March 11, 2016 10:40 PM > > *To:* Animal Farm > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? > > > > Yep > > On Mar 11, 2016 9:33 PM, "Chuck McCown" wrote: > > But in 68 the violence was outside the venue... > > > > *From:* Jaime Solorza > > *Sent:* Friday, March 11, 2016 8:33 PM > > *To:* Animal Farm > > *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? > > > > Trump rally cancelled ...some skirmishes...The Whole World is Watching > >
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Well said Faisal On Sat, Mar 12, 2016, 8:32 AM Faisal Imtiaz wrote: > I hope you realize that everyone participating in this discussion is an > Adult, and a Patriot. Everyone is very much concerned about the future of > our great nation. The discussion is over the events as they are unfolding. > > It is very interesting to me, as an independent, that folks on the right > are so upset, and so polarized in their view that they are willing to > accept bad behavior from anyone of their affiliated party, since that > person can do nothing wrong and the other side cannot do nothing right... > > I fully understand that everyone is passionate, but exchange of views in a > polite healthy manner is the proper decorum, watching the GOP primaries > turn into a circus act is embarrassing, because the world is watching, > and to see folks trying to explain and justify is even more troubling. > > Bad behavior is bad behavior, it should be called out, and it should not > bt acceptable at any level from anyone. While the media is fully > responsible for fueling the fire and covering only the inciting stuff > watch closely the clips of trouble at the Trump rallies, there appears to > be an steadily increasing amount of 'supporter participation' in this bad > behavior (when someone is being lead out, by security there are folks > hitting and throwing punches at the person being lead out).. and Mr > Trump constantly refuses to condemn such behavior, which indicates approval. > > While you can explain it and justify it which ever way you want, some of > us who have had a broader view of the world, have seen this type of > behavior and events , in the other parts of the world.. and the end results > were not very good for anyone As such their is rising concern. > > The GOP is playing with Fire, one they think they can control > historically speaking when that particular type of genie is let out of the > bottle, no one has been able to control it . > > > :) > > > Regards > > Faisal Imtiaz > Snappy Internet & Telecom > 7266 SW 48 Street > Miami, FL 33155 > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 > > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > > ------------------ > > *From: *"Rory Conaway" > *To: *af@afmug.com > *Sent: *Saturday, March 12, 2016 9:05:42 AM > > > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? > > Jaime, travel to the WWII museum and learn about the sacrifices we made as > a country to stop men like Hitler. You have so mischaracterized what Trump > is saying but I’d rather take this discussion elsewhere to someplace like > Facebook. > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza > > > *Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 6:59 AM > > *To:* Animal Farm > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? > > > > Fault? Its human natureyou push me and I push back...most fights > start that way...literally and figuratively... Trump doesn't deny he has > asked him audience to beat the crap of those "bad dudes"...let's go back to > old dayswhat civil rights riots? Wallace? Lynching? He is playing to > the older white man who fears foreigners are taking over the US. Xenophobia > was one of Hitler and others methods used to create a fervor and led to > murder of millions. i have a different perspective on things from my > ancestors and upbringing plus traveling. Travel outside USA and your eyes > open a bit more.I normally stay quiet on politics but not this > time.too much at stake...Trump will not win. > >
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I think that is unfair, unless it is sarcasm which you seem to be great at, so I concur. On Sat, Mar 12, 2016, 9:16 AM Ken Hohhof wrote: > Black people really seem to set you off. > > *From:* Rory Conaway > *Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 8:51 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? > > > Faisal, I’m ready to continue our other discussion. BTW, Black Lives > Matter showed up to the Chicago rally and now there is looting and gun > fire. I really doubt the Trump supporters are doing that. > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Faisal Imtiaz > *Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 7:32 AM > > > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? > > > > I hope you realize that everyone participating in this discussion is an > Adult, and a Patriot. Everyone is very much concerned about the future of > our great nation. The discussion is over the events as they are unfolding. > > > > It is very interesting to me, as an independent, that folks on the right > are so upset, and so polarized in their view that they are willing to > accept bad behavior from anyone of their affiliated party, since that > person can do nothing wrong and the other side cannot do nothing right... > > > > I fully understand that everyone is passionate, but exchange of views in a > polite healthy manner is the proper decorum, watching the GOP primaries > turn into a circus act is embarrassing, because the world is watching, > and to see folks trying to explain and justify is even more troubling. > > > > Bad behavior is bad behavior, it should be called out, and it should not > bt acceptable at any level from anyone. While the media is fully > responsible for fueling the fire and covering only the inciting stuff > watch closely the clips of trouble at the Trump rallies, there appears to > be an steadily increasing amount of 'supporter participation' in this bad > behavior (when someone is being lead out, by security there are folks > hitting and throwing punches at the person being lead out).. and Mr > Trump constantly refuses to condemn such behavior, which indicates approval. > > > > While you can explain it and justify it which ever way you want, some of > us who have had a broader view of the world, have seen this type of > behavior and events , in the other parts of the world.. and the end results > were not very good for anyone As such their is rising concern. > > > > The GOP is playing with Fire, one they think they can control > historically speaking when that particular type of genie is let out of the > bottle, no one has been able to control it . > > > > > > :) > > > > > > Regards > > > > Faisal Imtiaz > Snappy Internet & Telecom > 7266 SW 48 Street > Miami, FL 33155 > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 > > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > > > -- > > *From: *"Rory Conaway" > *To: *af@afmug.com > > > *Sent: *Saturday, March 12, 2016 9:05:42 AM > > > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? > > Jaime, travel to the WWII museum and learn about the sacrifices we made as > a country to stop men like Hitler. You have so mischaracterized what Trump > is saying but I’d rather take this discussion elsewhere to someplace like > Facebook. > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On > Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza > *Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 6:59 AM > > > *To:* Animal Farm > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? > > > > Fault? Its human natureyou push me and I push back...most fights > start that way...literally and figuratively... Trump doesn't deny he has > asked him audience to beat the crap of those "bad dudes"...let's go back to > old dayswhat civil rights riots? Wallace? Lynching? He is playing to > the older white man who fears foreigners are taking over the US. Xenophobia > was one of Hitler and others methods used to create a fervor and led to > murder of millions. i have a different perspective on things from my > ancestors and upbringing plus traveling. Travel outside USA and your eyes > open a bit more.I normally stay quiet on politics but not this > time.too much at stake...Trump will not win. > > > >
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It is not sarcasm. I believe Rory’s posts have a long history of abandoning
all logic and facts when black people are involved. And like the things Trumps
says, if no one speaks up and says that is prejudiced, people can go on
believing everyone agrees with them and they are not prejudiced.
And by the way, I think America is still pretty great, and I don’t know why it
is OK to bash our country now. Sure, we have a black President and gays are
out of the closet - that means we have to “take our country back” and “make
America great again”? We don’t need to set the clocks back 50 years to be a
great country. If you are ashamed of your country, maybe something is wrong
with you.
From: Lewis Bergman
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 9:24 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over?
I think that is unfair, unless it is sarcasm which you seem to be great at, so
I concur.
On Sat, Mar 12, 2016, 9:16 AM Ken Hohhof wrote:
Black people really seem to set you off.
From: Rory Conaway
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 8:51 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over?
Faisal, I’m ready to continue our other discussion. BTW, Black Lives Matter
showed up to the Chicago rally and now there is looting and gun fire. I really
doubt the Trump supporters are doing that.
Rory
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 7:32 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over?
I hope you realize that everyone participating in this discussion is an
Adult, and a Patriot. Everyone is very much concerned about the future of our
great nation. The discussion is over the events as they are unfolding.
It is very interesting to me, as an independent, that folks on the right are
so upset, and so polarized in their view that they are willing to accept bad
behavior from anyone of their affiliated party, since that person can do
nothing wrong and the other side cannot do nothing right...
I fully understand that everyone is passionate, but exchange of views in a
polite healthy manner is the proper decorum, watching the GOP primaries turn
into a circus act is embarrassing, because the world is watching, and to see
folks trying to explain and justify is even more troubling.
Bad behavior is bad behavior, it should be called out, and it should not bt
acceptable at any level from anyone. While the media is fully responsible for
fueling the fire and covering only the inciting stuff watch closely the
clips of trouble at the Trump rallies, there appears to be an steadily
increasing amount of 'supporter participation' in this bad behavior (when
someone is being lead out, by security there are folks hitting and throwing
punches at the person being lead out).. and Mr Trump constantly refuses to
condemn such behavior, which indicates approval.
While you can explain it and justify it which ever way you want, some of us
who have had a broader view of the world, have seen this type of behavior and
events , in the other parts of the world.. and the end results were not very
good for anyone As such their is rising concern.
The GOP is playing with Fire, one they think they can control
historically speaking when that particular type of genie is let out of the
bottle, no one has been able to control it .
:)
Regards
Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
--
From: "Rory Conaway"
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 9:05:42 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over?
Jaime, travel to the WWII museum and learn about the sacrifices we made as
a country to stop men like Hitler. You have so mischaracterized what Trump is
saying but I’d rather take this discussion elsewhere to someplace like
Facebook.
Rory
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 6:59 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over?
Fault? Its human natureyou push me and I push back...most fights
start that way...literally and figuratively... Trump doesn't deny he has asked
him audience to beat the crap of those "bad dudes"...let's go back to old
dayswhat civil rights riots? Wallace? Lynching? He is playing to the
older white man who fears foreigners are taking over the US. Xenophobia was one
of Hitler and others methods used to create a fervor and led to murder of
millions. i have a different perspective on things from my ancestors and
upbringing plus traveling. Travel outside USA and your eyes open a bit mor
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And I would be there to stop you, because ALL people have the right to free speech not just "free speech when I agree with it". ... and that flag means a fuck ton more to me than to most On Mar 12, 2016 8:03 AM, "Rory Conaway" wrote: > Seriously Louis? Black Lives Matter has been caught on tape wanting to > kill police officers and you think Trump started this? Thugs are going to > be thugs, they just need a reason to be violent. I will tell you that if I > went to an event to listen to a politician and I saw a thug stomping on an > American Flag like I saw on the news, yes, there would be immediate > violence. Too many brave Americans have died for the rights we have and > their memories and sacrifice should never be dishonored. > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman > *Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 6:35 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? > > > > Damn auto correct. Should be who's fault is it? IMHO Trump's speech has > encouraged some of this and idiots on both sides take it the rest of the > way. > He seems to be trying to tone things down a bit lately. > I would hope most don't think we are in the same situation now as in 1968. > Not that there aren't similarities, just that it would seem to me that > there are major differences, especially concerning the morality of the > other side in the conflict. > > > > On Sat, Mar 12, 2016, 7:29 AM Jaime Solorza > wrote: > > Interesting question Lewis.back then it was the Vietnam War... > > On Mar 12, 2016 5:11 AM, "Lewis Bergman" wrote: > > So, in your opinion, white fault is it? > > > > On Fri, Mar 11, 2016, 11:11 PM Chuck McCown wrote: > > No thanks. > > > > *From:* Ken Hohhof > > *Sent:* Friday, March 11, 2016 9:53 PM > > *To:* af@afmug.com > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? > > > > Make America 1968 Again > > > > *From:* Jaime Solorza > > *Sent:* Friday, March 11, 2016 10:40 PM > > *To:* Animal Farm > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? > > > > Yep > > On Mar 11, 2016 9:33 PM, "Chuck McCown" wrote: > > But in 68 the violence was outside the venue... > > > > *From:* Jaime Solorza > > *Sent:* Friday, March 11, 2016 8:33 PM > > *To:* Animal Farm > > *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? > > > > Trump rally cancelled ...some skirmishes...The Whole World is Watching > >
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The problem is both with what Trump is saying and how he is saying it. Do we want a president that couches arguments in the vernacular of a 12 year old bully? The guy is crude, without class and allows his megalomania to show. You really want his finger on the button of the bomb? You really think he could negotiate with EU or any other foreign group that expects the normal flow of diplomacy? He should read Proverbs 15 and actually attempt to follow the advice given there. From: Rory Conaway Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 7:05 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? Jaime, travel to the WWII museum and learn about the sacrifices we made as a country to stop men like Hitler. You have so mischaracterized what Trump is saying but I’d rather take this discussion elsewhere to someplace like Facebook. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 6:59 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? Fault? Its human natureyou push me and I push back...most fights start that way...literally and figuratively... Trump doesn't deny he has asked him audience to beat the crap of those "bad dudes"...let's go back to old dayswhat civil rights riots? Wallace? Lynching? He is playing to the older white man who fears foreigners are taking over the US. Xenophobia was one of Hitler and others methods used to create a fervor and led to murder of millions. i have a different perspective on things from my ancestors and upbringing plus traveling. Travel outside USA and your eyes open a bit more. I normally stay quiet on politics but not this time.too much at stake...Trump will not win.
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like I said bad behavior should not be condoned irrespective of which side is it coming from... The ref. to playing with fire and letting that genie out is a ref. to creating a condition that attracts bad actors and condones bad behavior... (aka catalyst for civil unrest, on which different groups capitalize on). As to our discussion on Sharia Law and Muslims, any time, any place... I am a born Muslim, My Grandparents (both mother and father side) were migrants (another part of the world), My father and mother are migrants (have moved multiple times) and myself and my wife are migrants... If there is a conspiracy about a Muslim takeover of the US and implementing Sharia law, them i have to say that I must be one of those bad Muslims (3 generations of) who must have been totally asleep during the religious indoctrination classes 95% of the Muslim world, spanning over 100's of countries cannot agree on what is Sharia Law , and don't have it implemented. (there are bits and pieces of it which are implemented in different places, the other 5% are dictatorships, implementing anything they like and calling it Sharia Law). The notion of a "Muslim takeover and desire to implement Sharia law" is as elusive a concept as the search of Big Foot, Sasquatch, the Lochness Monster. Here is the big secret that all Muslims know, Sharia law, specifically states that it does not apply to Non-Muslims... and oh by they way...if one was to compare Biblical Law, Jewish Law and Islamic Law, Islamic law is much more lenient out of the three. I am getting ready to hit the road to Ky, Louisville see you all there ! Faisal Imtiaz > From: "Rory Conaway" > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 9:51:03 AM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? > Faisal, I’m ready to continue our other discussion. BTW, Black Lives Matter > showed up to the Chicago rally and now there is looting and gun fire. I really > doubt the Trump supporters are doing that. > Rory > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz > Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 7:32 AM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? > I hope you realize that everyone participating in this discussion is an Adult, > and a Patriot. Everyone is very much concerned about the future of our great > nation. The discussion is over the events as they are unfolding. > It is very interesting to me, as an independent, that folks on the right are > so > upset, and so polarized in their view that they are willing to accept bad > behavior from anyone of their affiliated party, since that person can do > nothing wrong and the other side cannot do nothing right... > I fully understand that everyone is passionate, but exchange of views in a > polite healthy manner is the proper decorum, watching the GOP primaries turn > into a circus act is embarrassing, because the world is watching, and to see > folks trying to explain and justify is even more troubling. > Bad behavior is bad behavior, it should be called out, and it should not bt > acceptable at any level from anyone. While the media is fully responsible for > fueling the fire and covering only the inciting stuff watch closely the > clips of trouble at the Trump rallies, there appears to be an steadily > increasing amount of 'supporter participation' in this bad behavior (when > someone is being lead out, by security there are folks hitting and throwing > punches at the person being lead out).. and Mr Trump constantly refuses to > condemn such behavior, which indicates approval. > While you can explain it and justify it which ever way you want, some of us > who > have had a broader view of the world, have seen this type of behavior and > events , in the other parts of the world.. and the end results were not very > good for anyone As such their is rising concern. > The GOP is playing with Fire, one they think they can control historically > speaking when that particular type of genie is let out of the bottle, no one > has been able to control it . > :) > Regards > Faisal Imtiaz > Snappy Internet & Telecom > 7266 SW 48 Street > Miami, FL 33155 > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net >> From: "Rory Conaway" < r...@triadwireless.net > >> To: af@afmug.com >> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 9:05:42 AM >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? >> Jaime, travel to the WWII museum and learn about the sacrifices we made as a >> country to stop men like Hitler. You have so mischaracterized what Trump is >> saying but I’d rather take this discussion elsewhere to someplace like >> Facebook. >> Rory &
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well put Ken...I say same thing to my two extreme right wing super christian conservative friendsthis is one of the best countries to live in but it is far from perfect. There is no Utopia and even Utopia was not Utopian What are Trump and others really saying when they want America to be great again and go back to the good old days? Great for whom and when were those good all days? With my Mexican and Native American roots I have a different perspective of how great the past was. I am sure the African Americans and Jews in US do as well and now the new scapegoat, the Muslims. No matter how hard they try, the mixture of cultures and ideas are going to grow and flourish. Study history (but don't use a Texas Board of Education approved book where slaves are called guests workers and all negative things done by Anglos of the time to Blacks, Mexicans and Native Americans are sanitized ...) and you will see the truth. The Romans tried it, the Han's tried it, the Nazi's ttried it ..the Russians tried itthe early white settlers tried itISIL is trying it...many cultures affected by hate and ugly rhetoric ...people will fight back...survival is build in to our DNAso as Trump and his craven lackeys push, they will face folks willing to push back and harder. Now for Rory's education, the USA DID NOT enter WWII because of Nazi Germany's invasion of Poland in 1939 but after Japanese attack at Pearl Harbor in 1941. Thousands died in Europe before we went in...that is history. I do not revise it Martin Luther King and Cesar Chavez followed Ghandi's non-violence wayyet many of their events ended up in violence due to attacks. Yes many fought back, I guess like me many are not very Jesus like and turn their cheeks when slapped. Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 8:38 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > It is not sarcasm. I believe Rory’s posts have a long history of > abandoning all logic and facts when black people are involved. And like > the things Trumps says, if no one speaks up and says that is prejudiced, > people can go on believing everyone agrees with them and they are not > prejudiced. > > And by the way, I think America is still pretty great, and I don’t know > why it is OK to bash our country now. Sure, we have a black President and > gays are out of the closet - that means we have to “take our country back” > and “make America great again”? We don’t need to set the clocks back 50 > years to be a great country. If you are ashamed of your country, maybe > something is wrong with you. > > > *From:* Lewis Bergman > *Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 9:24 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? > > I think that is unfair, unless it is sarcasm which you seem to be great > at, so I concur. > > On Sat, Mar 12, 2016, 9:16 AM Ken Hohhof wrote: > >> Black people really seem to set you off. >> >> *From:* Rory Conaway >> *Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 8:51 AM >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? >> >> >> Faisal, I’m ready to continue our other discussion. BTW, Black Lives >> Matter showed up to the Chicago rally and now there is looting and gun >> fire. I really doubt the Trump supporters are doing that. >> >> >> >> Rory >> >> >> >> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Faisal Imtiaz >> *Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 7:32 AM >> >> >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? >> >> >> >> I hope you realize that everyone participating in this discussion is an >> Adult, and a Patriot. Everyone is very much concerned about the future of >> our great nation. The discussion is over the events as they are unfolding. >> >> >> >> It is very interesting to me, as an independent, that folks on the right >> are so upset, and so polarized in their view that they are willing to >> accept bad behavior from anyone of their affiliated party, since that >> person can do nothing wrong and the other side cannot do nothing right... >> >> >> >> I fully understand that everyone is passionate, but exchange of views in >> a polite healthy manner is the proper decorum, watching the GOP primaries >> turn into a circus act is embarrassing, because the world is watching, >> and to see folks trying to explain and justify is even more troubling. >> >> >> >> Bad behavior is bad behavior, it should be called out, and it should not >> bt acceptable at any level from anyone. While the media is fully >> responsible for fueling the fire and covering o
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That’s out of line Ken, at any level. What matters to me is that the violence fostered by ignorant people in our society who don’t contribute, but foster racial hatred and disdain for the Constitution, the Laws of this country, and want special treatment. I don’t give a crap what color they are but they keep bringing it up. Black Lives Matter, Black Caucuses, etc… The rest of us just want everyone to be Americans but it’s liberals that won’t let race go because they need it to stay in power. You want to attack me for my beliefs Ken, that’s fine. You want to call me a racist, what I really want to tell you will get me banned. I’m done with this and Ken, please don’t ever speak to me again. You went too far. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 8:17 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? Black people really seem to set you off. From: Rory Conaway<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 8:51 AM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? Faisal, I’m ready to continue our other discussion. BTW, Black Lives Matter showed up to the Chicago rally and now there is looting and gun fire. I really doubt the Trump supporters are doing that. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 7:32 AM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? I hope you realize that everyone participating in this discussion is an Adult, and a Patriot. Everyone is very much concerned about the future of our great nation. The discussion is over the events as they are unfolding. It is very interesting to me, as an independent, that folks on the right are so upset, and so polarized in their view that they are willing to accept bad behavior from anyone of their affiliated party, since that person can do nothing wrong and the other side cannot do nothing right... I fully understand that everyone is passionate, but exchange of views in a polite healthy manner is the proper decorum, watching the GOP primaries turn into a circus act is embarrassing, because the world is watching, and to see folks trying to explain and justify is even more troubling. Bad behavior is bad behavior, it should be called out, and it should not bt acceptable at any level from anyone. While the media is fully responsible for fueling the fire and covering only the inciting stuff watch closely the clips of trouble at the Trump rallies, there appears to be an steadily increasing amount of 'supporter participation' in this bad behavior (when someone is being lead out, by security there are folks hitting and throwing punches at the person being lead out).. and Mr Trump constantly refuses to condemn such behavior, which indicates approval. While you can explain it and justify it which ever way you want, some of us who have had a broader view of the world, have seen this type of behavior and events , in the other parts of the world.. and the end results were not very good for anyone As such their is rising concern. The GOP is playing with Fire, one they think they can control historically speaking when that particular type of genie is let out of the bottle, no one has been able to control it . :) Regards Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net<mailto:supp...@snappytelecom.net> From: "Rory Conaway" mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 9:05:42 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? Jaime, travel to the WWII museum and learn about the sacrifices we made as a country to stop men like Hitler. You have so mischaracterized what Trump is saying but I’d rather take this discussion elsewhere to someplace like Facebook. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 6:59 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? Fault? Its human natureyou push me and I push back...most fights start that way...literally and figuratively... Trump doesn't deny he has asked him audience to beat the crap of those "bad dudes"...let's go back to old dayswhat civil rights riots? Wallace? Lynching? He is playing to the older white man who fears foreigners are taking over the US. Xenophobia was one of Hitler and others methods used to create a fervor and led to murder of millions. i have a different perspective on things from my ancestors and upbringing plus traveling. Travel outside USA and your eyes open a bit more. I normally stay quiet on politics but not this time.too much at stake...Trump will not win.
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Maybe your right, but it is funny that it is OK for Michelle Obama to say that the first time she was proud of our country is when her husband was elected. Goes both ways I guess. I actually think the real problem, excluding we voters that put them there, is congress, and both parties. Anyway, racism is a pretty hefty accusation, but if you can back it up... I believe you are right though, America has been great as long as I can remember, not perfect, but the closest thing yet. On Sat, Mar 12, 2016, 9:38 AM Ken Hohhof wrote: > It is not sarcasm. I believe Rory’s posts have a long history of > abandoning all logic and facts when black people are involved. And like > the things Trumps says, if no one speaks up and says that is prejudiced, > people can go on believing everyone agrees with them and they are not > prejudiced. > > And by the way, I think America is still pretty great, and I don’t know > why it is OK to bash our country now. Sure, we have a black President and > gays are out of the closet - that means we have to “take our country back” > and “make America great again”? We don’t need to set the clocks back 50 > years to be a great country. If you are ashamed of your country, maybe > something is wrong with you. > > > *From:* Lewis Bergman > *Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 9:24 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? > I think that is unfair, unless it is sarcasm which you seem to be great > at, so I concur. > > On Sat, Mar 12, 2016, 9:16 AM Ken Hohhof wrote: > >> Black people really seem to set you off. >> >> *From:* Rory Conaway >> *Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 8:51 AM >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? >> >> >> Faisal, I’m ready to continue our other discussion. BTW, Black Lives >> Matter showed up to the Chicago rally and now there is looting and gun >> fire. I really doubt the Trump supporters are doing that. >> >> >> >> Rory >> >> >> >> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Faisal Imtiaz >> *Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 7:32 AM >> >> >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? >> >> >> >> I hope you realize that everyone participating in this discussion is an >> Adult, and a Patriot. Everyone is very much concerned about the future of >> our great nation. The discussion is over the events as they are unfolding. >> >> >> >> It is very interesting to me, as an independent, that folks on the right >> are so upset, and so polarized in their view that they are willing to >> accept bad behavior from anyone of their affiliated party, since that >> person can do nothing wrong and the other side cannot do nothing right... >> >> >> >> I fully understand that everyone is passionate, but exchange of views in >> a polite healthy manner is the proper decorum, watching the GOP primaries >> turn into a circus act is embarrassing, because the world is watching, >> and to see folks trying to explain and justify is even more troubling. >> >> >> >> Bad behavior is bad behavior, it should be called out, and it should not >> bt acceptable at any level from anyone. While the media is fully >> responsible for fueling the fire and covering only the inciting stuff >> watch closely the clips of trouble at the Trump rallies, there appears to >> be an steadily increasing amount of 'supporter participation' in this bad >> behavior (when someone is being lead out, by security there are folks >> hitting and throwing punches at the person being lead out).. and Mr >> Trump constantly refuses to condemn such behavior, which indicates approval. >> >> >> >> While you can explain it and justify it which ever way you want, some of >> us who have had a broader view of the world, have seen this type of >> behavior and events , in the other parts of the world.. and the end results >> were not very good for anyone As such their is rising concern. >> >> >> >> The GOP is playing with Fire, one they think they can control >> historically speaking when that particular type of genie is let out of the >> bottle, no one has been able to control it . >> >> >> >> >> >> :) >> >> >> >> >> >> Regards >> >> >> >> Faisal Imtiaz >> Snappy Internet & Telecom >> 7266 SW 48 Street >> Miami, FL 33155 >> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 >> >> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q49NOyJ8fNA On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 10:16 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote: > Maybe your right, but it is funny that it is OK for Michelle Obama to say > that the first time she was proud of our country is when her husband was > elected. Goes both ways I guess. > I actually think the real problem, excluding we voters that put them there, > is congress, and both parties. Anyway, racism is a pretty hefty accusation, > but if you can back it up... > I believe you are right though, America has been great as long as I can > remember, not perfect, but the closest thing yet. > > On Sat, Mar 12, 2016, 9:38 AM Ken Hohhof wrote: >> >> It is not sarcasm. I believe Rory’s posts have a long history of >> abandoning all logic and facts when black people are involved. And like the >> things Trumps says, if no one speaks up and says that is prejudiced, people >> can go on believing everyone agrees with them and they are not prejudiced. >> >> And by the way, I think America is still pretty great, and I don’t know >> why it is OK to bash our country now. Sure, we have a black President and >> gays are out of the closet - that means we have to “take our country back” >> and “make America great again”? We don’t need to set the clocks back 50 >> years to be a great country. If you are ashamed of your country, maybe >> something is wrong with you. >> >> >> From: Lewis Bergman >> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 9:24 AM >> To: af@afmug.com >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? >> I think that is unfair, unless it is sarcasm which you seem to be great >> at, so I concur. >> >> On Sat, Mar 12, 2016, 9:16 AM Ken Hohhof wrote: >>> >>> Black people really seem to set you off. >>> >>> From: Rory Conaway >>> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 8:51 AM >>> To: af@afmug.com >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? >>> >>> >>> Faisal, I’m ready to continue our other discussion. BTW, Black Lives >>> Matter showed up to the Chicago rally and now there is looting and gun fire. >>> I really doubt the Trump supporters are doing that. >>> >>> >>> >>> Rory >>> >>> >>> >>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz >>> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 7:32 AM >>> >>> >>> To: af@afmug.com >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? >>> >>> >>> >>> I hope you realize that everyone participating in this discussion is an >>> Adult, and a Patriot. Everyone is very much concerned about the future of >>> our great nation. The discussion is over the events as they are unfolding. >>> >>> >>> >>> It is very interesting to me, as an independent, that folks on the right >>> are so upset, and so polarized in their view that they are willing to >>> accept bad behavior from anyone of their affiliated party, since that >>> person can do nothing wrong and the other side cannot do nothing right... >>> >>> >>> >>> I fully understand that everyone is passionate, but exchange of views in >>> a polite healthy manner is the proper decorum, watching the GOP primaries >>> turn into a circus act is embarrassing, because the world is watching, and >>> to see folks trying to explain and justify is even more troubling. >>> >>> >>> >>> Bad behavior is bad behavior, it should be called out, and it should not >>> bt acceptable at any level from anyone. While the media is fully responsible >>> for fueling the fire and covering only the inciting stuff watch closely >>> the clips of trouble at the Trump rallies, there appears to be an steadily >>> increasing amount of 'supporter participation' in this bad behavior >>> (when someone is being lead out, by security there are folks hitting and >>> throwing punches at the person being lead out).. and Mr Trump constantly >>> refuses to condemn such behavior, which indicates approval. >>> >>> >>> >>> While you can explain it and justify it which ever way you want, some of >>> us who have had a broader view of the world, have seen this type of behavior >>> and events , in the other parts of the world.. and the end results were not >>> very good for anyone As such their is rising concern. >>> >>> >>> >>> The GOP is playing with Fire, one they think they can control >>>
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The flag doesn't mean as much if you can't burn it in public, at least in my opinion. On Sat, Mar 12, 2016, 9:57 AM Josh Reynolds wrote: > And I would be there to stop you, because ALL people have the right to > free speech not just "free speech when I agree with it". > > ... and that flag means a fuck ton more to me than to most > On Mar 12, 2016 8:03 AM, "Rory Conaway" wrote: > >> Seriously Louis? Black Lives Matter has been caught on tape wanting to >> kill police officers and you think Trump started this? Thugs are going to >> be thugs, they just need a reason to be violent. I will tell you that if I >> went to an event to listen to a politician and I saw a thug stomping on an >> American Flag like I saw on the news, yes, there would be immediate >> violence. Too many brave Americans have died for the rights we have and >> their memories and sacrifice should never be dishonored. >> >> >> > Rory >> >> >> >> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman >> *Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 6:35 AM >> > >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? >> > >> >> Damn auto correct. Should be who's fault is it? IMHO Trump's speech has >> encouraged some of this and idiots on both sides take it the rest of the >> way. >> > >> He seems to be trying to tone things down a bit lately. >> I would hope most don't think we are in the same situation now as in >> 1968. Not that there aren't similarities, just that it would seem to me >> that there are major differences, especially concerning the morality of the >> other side in the conflict. >> > On Sat, Mar 12, 2016, 7:29 AM Jaime Solorza >> wrote: >> > Interesting question Lewis.back then it was the Vietnam War... >> >> On Mar 12, 2016 5:11 AM, "Lewis Bergman" wrote: >> >> So, in your opinion, white fault is it? >> >> >> >> On Fri, Mar 11, 2016, 11:11 PM Chuck McCown wrote: >> >> No thanks. >> >> >> >> *From:* Ken Hohhof >> >> *Sent:* Friday, March 11, 2016 9:53 PM >> >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? >> >> >> >> Make America 1968 Again >> >> >> >> *From:* Jaime Solorza >> >> *Sent:* Friday, March 11, 2016 10:40 PM >> >> *To:* Animal Farm >> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? >> >> >> >> Yep >> >> On Mar 11, 2016 9:33 PM, "Chuck McCown" wrote: >> >> But in 68 the violence was outside the venue... >> >> >> >> *From:* Jaime Solorza >> >> *Sent:* Friday, March 11, 2016 8:33 PM >> >> *To:* Animal Farm >> >> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? >> >> >> >> Trump rally cancelled ...some skirmishes...The Whole World is >> Watching >> >>
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“Take our country back” was a Dean meme and probably used by other politicians
over the years too. Nothing new about political catch phrases. Both sides use
the same old tired words.
“Make America Great Again” was from Regan. These phrases really have no
meaning. Just sounds that can be made to come out of a politicians mouth.
Like no new taxes, read my lips, gun control, women's health care etc etc. You
can compose an entire political speech with nothing but catchphrases from both
sides of the aisle. It is all Rhetoric. All BS.
But when you add this BS to inflammatory taunts and school yard delivery it
gets some of the... less sophisticated listeners overly excited...
Both sides do this. How about “we need some muscle over here”... Humans are
violent. Those without good impulse control more so.
From: Ken Hohhof
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 8:38 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over?
It is not sarcasm. I believe Rory’s posts have a long history of abandoning
all logic and facts when black people are involved. And like the things Trumps
says, if no one speaks up and says that is prejudiced, people can go on
believing everyone agrees with them and they are not prejudiced.
And by the way, I think America is still pretty great, and I don’t know why it
is OK to bash our country now. Sure, we have a black President and gays are
out of the closet - that means we have to “take our country back” and “make
America great again”? We don’t need to set the clocks back 50 years to be a
great country. If you are ashamed of your country, maybe something is wrong
with you.
From: Lewis Bergman
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 9:24 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over?
I think that is unfair, unless it is sarcasm which you seem to be great at, so
I concur.
On Sat, Mar 12, 2016, 9:16 AM Ken Hohhof wrote:
Black people really seem to set you off.
From: Rory Conaway
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 8:51 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over?
Faisal, I’m ready to continue our other discussion. BTW, Black Lives Matter
showed up to the Chicago rally and now there is looting and gun fire. I really
doubt the Trump supporters are doing that.
Rory
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 7:32 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over?
I hope you realize that everyone participating in this discussion is an
Adult, and a Patriot. Everyone is very much concerned about the future of our
great nation. The discussion is over the events as they are unfolding.
It is very interesting to me, as an independent, that folks on the right are
so upset, and so polarized in their view that they are willing to accept bad
behavior from anyone of their affiliated party, since that person can do
nothing wrong and the other side cannot do nothing right...
I fully understand that everyone is passionate, but exchange of views in a
polite healthy manner is the proper decorum, watching the GOP primaries turn
into a circus act is embarrassing, because the world is watching, and to see
folks trying to explain and justify is even more troubling.
Bad behavior is bad behavior, it should be called out, and it should not bt
acceptable at any level from anyone. While the media is fully responsible for
fueling the fire and covering only the inciting stuff watch closely the
clips of trouble at the Trump rallies, there appears to be an steadily
increasing amount of 'supporter participation' in this bad behavior (when
someone is being lead out, by security there are folks hitting and throwing
punches at the person being lead out).. and Mr Trump constantly refuses to
condemn such behavior, which indicates approval.
While you can explain it and justify it which ever way you want, some of us
who have had a broader view of the world, have seen this type of behavior and
events , in the other parts of the world.. and the end results were not very
good for anyone As such their is rising concern.
The GOP is playing with Fire, one they think they can control
historically speaking when that particular type of genie is let out of the
bottle, no one has been able to control it .
:)
Regards
Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
--
From: "Rory Conaway"
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 9:05:42 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over?
Jaime, travel to the WWII museum and learn about the sacrifices we made as
a country to stop men like Hitler.
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Yes, I think your statements sound racist, and finally I call your out for it. Why is that over the line? You have made some pretty inflammatory statements, but it seems you can’t take any criticism? We have a WISPA conference coming up. One thing I always notice is we are not a very diverse crowd. Almost all white men. That leads to the belief that prejudice is OK because everyone here thinks that way too. From: Rory Conaway Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 10:14 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? That’s out of line Ken, at any level. What matters to me is that the violence fostered by ignorant people in our society who don’t contribute, but foster racial hatred and disdain for the Constitution, the Laws of this country, and want special treatment. I don’t give a crap what color they are but they keep bringing it up. Black Lives Matter, Black Caucuses, etc… The rest of us just want everyone to be Americans but it’s liberals that won’t let race go because they need it to stay in power. You want to attack me for my beliefs Ken, that’s fine. You want to call me a racist, what I really want to tell you will get me banned. I’m done with this and Ken, please don’t ever speak to me again. You went too far. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 8:17 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? Black people really seem to set you off. From: Rory Conaway Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 8:51 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? Faisal, I’m ready to continue our other discussion. BTW, Black Lives Matter showed up to the Chicago rally and now there is looting and gun fire. I really doubt the Trump supporters are doing that. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 7:32 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? I hope you realize that everyone participating in this discussion is an Adult, and a Patriot. Everyone is very much concerned about the future of our great nation. The discussion is over the events as they are unfolding. It is very interesting to me, as an independent, that folks on the right are so upset, and so polarized in their view that they are willing to accept bad behavior from anyone of their affiliated party, since that person can do nothing wrong and the other side cannot do nothing right... I fully understand that everyone is passionate, but exchange of views in a polite healthy manner is the proper decorum, watching the GOP primaries turn into a circus act is embarrassing, because the world is watching, and to see folks trying to explain and justify is even more troubling. Bad behavior is bad behavior, it should be called out, and it should not bt acceptable at any level from anyone. While the media is fully responsible for fueling the fire and covering only the inciting stuff watch closely the clips of trouble at the Trump rallies, there appears to be an steadily increasing amount of 'supporter participation' in this bad behavior (when someone is being lead out, by security there are folks hitting and throwing punches at the person being lead out).. and Mr Trump constantly refuses to condemn such behavior, which indicates approval. While you can explain it and justify it which ever way you want, some of us who have had a broader view of the world, have seen this type of behavior and events , in the other parts of the world.. and the end results were not very good for anyone As such their is rising concern. The GOP is playing with Fire, one they think they can control historically speaking when that particular type of genie is let out of the bottle, no one has been able to control it . :) Regards Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net From: "Rory Conaway" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 9:05:42 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? Jaime, travel to the WWII museum and learn about the sacrifices we made as a country to stop men like Hitler. You have so mischaracterized what Trump is saying but I’d rather take this discussion elsewhere to someplace like Facebook. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 6:59 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? Fault? Its human natureyou push me and I push back...most fights start that way...literally and figuratively... Trump doesn't deny he has asked him audience to beat
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funny thing Kenwhen I spoke at a conference for ElectroComm with Matt Larsen and Marlon Schaefer some guy came up to me after talk and asked what I thought about illegal immigration and how I had obtain a permit to travel in US. I chuckled and asked where he was from...Nebraska...I told him to me it was a simple case of supply and demand just like drugs. If American companies and farmers didn't hire them, they wouldn't be here. Many natives do not want to work in the sun and do hard work for little pay or in fact for decent pay. Ask Chuck about working on a farm or others on this listthat is back breaking work and if you own the farm the pay is really low. When Border Patrol made some big raids a few years back and deported hundreds of illegals, some farmers and growers tried to hire US born workers and many quit by noon. Crops and fruits went bad. Millions of dollars in produce lost. So like drugs, if there is a demand, someone will supply.Trump uses illegals in his hotels and resorts around US. He speaks with fork tongue. I remember one of you posted you would hire Hispanic work force because they are good workers.I found that that interesting..I fired an entire Hispanic crew because they started abusing cocaine and pawning equipment. The only loyal employee was a Mexican tower guy that I used on cross border shots up and down Texas border. He could not work in US so after we finished the job, I closed the company. I could pretend to be naive and say my guys followed the white man's ways.but I am blessed I don;t think that way. My ex-wife is a Perry, ugh, yes part of that Perry group, so my kids are Chingos...(half Chicano-half Gringo)..huhthe cognus scenti will appreciate one.One of my granddaughters, Julianna Juana Gandara Solorza is a real mixture..Irish, British,Spanish, Mexican and Native Americanoh wait she is an AMERICAN Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 9:24 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > Yes, I think your statements sound racist, and finally I call your out for > it. Why is that over the line? You have made some pretty inflammatory > statements, but it seems you can’t take any criticism? > > We have a WISPA conference coming up. One thing I always notice is we are > not a very diverse crowd. Almost all white men. That leads to the belief > that prejudice is OK because everyone here thinks that way too. > > > *From:* Rory Conaway > *Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 10:14 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? > > > That’s out of line Ken, at any level. What matters to me is that the > violence fostered by ignorant people in our society who don’t contribute, > but foster racial hatred and disdain for the Constitution, the Laws of this > country, and want special treatment. I don’t give a crap what color they > are but they keep bringing it up. Black Lives Matter, Black Caucuses, etc… > The rest of us just want everyone to be Americans but it’s liberals that > won’t let race go because they need it to stay in power. > > > > You want to attack me for my beliefs Ken, that’s fine. You want to call > me a racist, what I really want to tell you will get me banned. I’m done > with this and Ken, please don’t ever speak to me again. You went too far. > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof > *Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 8:17 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? > > > > Black people really seem to set you off. > > > > *From:* Rory Conaway > > *Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 8:51 AM > > *To:* af@afmug.com > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? > > > > Faisal, I’m ready to continue our other discussion. BTW, Black Lives > Matter showed up to the Chicago rally and now there is looting and gun > fire. I really doubt the Trump supporters are doing that. > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On > Behalf Of *Faisal Imtiaz > *Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 7:32 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? > > > > I hope you realize that everyone participating in this discussion is an > Adult, and a Patriot. Everyone is very much concerned about the future of > our great nation. The discussion is over the events as they are unfolding. > > > > It is very interesting to me, as an independent, that folks on the right > are so upset, and so polarized in their view that they are willing to > accept bad behavior from anyone of their affiliated party, since that > person can do nothing wrong and the other side cannot do nothing right... > > > &
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You know what Ken, let’s do this. You need me to sound racist because your liberal mindset is that everyone is a victim. I probably have a much wider diversity of friends, business partners, and colleagues than you do and never has anyone ever called me racist. Because I abhor racial division and call it out for what it is, an excuse for failure and control by race hustlers, I’m a racist. That’s the pea-brained mentality of the intellectually dishonest. You simply can’t understand that there are those of us who don’t care about race, we simply don’t have time for it in our lives and we don’t see it. However, we can define the problems created by race, race hustlers, and liberals who don’t want to face facts, just blame everyone else for their problems and failures. What I care about is that there is a class of people that are not assimilating into society because nobody wants to face the facts. You would rather stick your head in the sand and call out those of us who see the truth racists. Here is a fact, not having a solid family support system, not following the law, and not working hard is a recipe for failure, regardless of the race. If you don’t want to face that fact, so be it. Stick your head in the sand, blame me and call me names, and stand by while our country falls apart because you don’t have the intellectual honesty to face that fact that the greatest country in the world is falling apart from within and from the outside. Hell yes, I want our borders sealed and immigrants required to learn our language and honor our heritage. Hell yes I want every child to get a good education that honors this country, the founders that gave it to us, and the men and women who died to protect it. And until we recognize that keeping an entire culture in poverty and ignorance by not expecting them to excel is a bad thing, then we as a country are doomed to further internal violence, strife, and separation. I don’t care about the color, I care about the fact that color is used as an excuse. The sad part is it’s not just any specific culture, it’s the entire generation. There isn’t a manufacturer here that doesn’t have engineering outside this country because they can’t find enough engineering talent within our own borders because our culture and education failed an entire generation. And as for Obama, his policies have escalated this problem, including unemployment, a poor economy, lower standards of living, hatred of police and authority, and racial division and escalation. So if you are big supporter of him, congratulations, you picked a real winner there. You want the truth, that’s it. So bring it on Ken. I’ll back my conclusions with the facts from the Census bureau, the FBI, the U.S Department of the Interior, the U.S. Bureau of Labor, and the Bureau of Economic Analysis but those facts won’t matter will they? Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 9:25 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? Yes, I think your statements sound racist, and finally I call your out for it. Why is that over the line? You have made some pretty inflammatory statements, but it seems you can’t take any criticism? We have a WISPA conference coming up. One thing I always notice is we are not a very diverse crowd. Almost all white men. That leads to the belief that prejudice is OK because everyone here thinks that way too. From: Rory Conaway<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 10:14 AM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? That’s out of line Ken, at any level. What matters to me is that the violence fostered by ignorant people in our society who don’t contribute, but foster racial hatred and disdain for the Constitution, the Laws of this country, and want special treatment. I don’t give a crap what color they are but they keep bringing it up. Black Lives Matter, Black Caucuses, etc… The rest of us just want everyone to be Americans but it’s liberals that won’t let race go because they need it to stay in power. You want to attack me for my beliefs Ken, that’s fine. You want to call me a racist, what I really want to tell you will get me banned. I’m done with this and Ken, please don’t ever speak to me again. You went too far. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 8:17 AM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? Black people really seem to set you off. From: Rory Conaway<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 8:51 AM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? Faisal, I’m ready to continue our other discussion. BTW, Black Lives Matter showed up to the Chicago rally and now there is looting
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Screw farm work. God Bless Farmers and Ranchers. I hate farm work. I grew up in Oregon –dry land wheat and cattle. Relatives had fruit. Hispanics were absolutely – ABSOLUTELY -necessary to get the fruit harvested. Still are. In technology jobs, I have fired more Whites than Hispanics for drug abuse. Probably by a factor of 10:1 My experience is that Hispanics are harder workers and more trustworthy than any other group at the lower pay scales. I hate hiring white folks at the entry levels unless then are under 21 years old. If they are 35 and applying for entry level there must be drugs involved. I cannot remember ever having a Hispanic steal from me. 100% white dudes and as I recall 100% drug use involved. From: Jaime Solorza Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 9:47 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? funny thing Kenwhen I spoke at a conference for ElectroComm with Matt Larsen and Marlon Schaefer some guy came up to me after talk and asked what I thought about illegal immigration and how I had obtain a permit to travel in US. I chuckled and asked where he was from...Nebraska...I told him to me it was a simple case of supply and demand just like drugs. If American companies and farmers didn't hire them, they wouldn't be here. Many natives do not want to work in the sun and do hard work for little pay or in fact for decent pay. Ask Chuck about working on a farm or others on this listthat is back breaking work and if you own the farm the pay is really low. When Border Patrol made some big raids a few years back and deported hundreds of illegals, some farmers and growers tried to hire US born workers and many quit by noon. Crops and fruits went bad. Millions of dollars in produce lost. So like drugs, if there is a demand, someone will supply.Trump uses illegals in his hotels and resorts around US. He speaks with fork tongue. I remember one of you posted you would hire Hispanic work force because they are good workers.I found that that interesting..I fired an entire Hispanic crew because they started abusing cocaine and pawning equipment. The only loyal employee was a Mexican tower guy that I used on cross border shots up and down Texas border. He could not work in US so after we finished the job, I closed the company. I could pretend to be naive and say my guys followed the white man's ways.but I am blessed I don;t think that way. My ex-wife is a Perry, ugh, yes part of that Perry group, so my kids are Chingos...(half Chicano-half Gringo)..huhthe cognus scenti will appreciate one.One of my granddaughters, Julianna Juana Gandara Solorza is a real mixture..Irish, British,Spanish, Mexican and Native Americanoh wait she is an AMERICAN Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 9:24 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Yes, I think your statements sound racist, and finally I call your out for it. Why is that over the line? You have made some pretty inflammatory statements, but it seems you can’t take any criticism? We have a WISPA conference coming up. One thing I always notice is we are not a very diverse crowd. Almost all white men. That leads to the belief that prejudice is OK because everyone here thinks that way too. From: Rory Conaway Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 10:14 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? That’s out of line Ken, at any level. What matters to me is that the violence fostered by ignorant people in our society who don’t contribute, but foster racial hatred and disdain for the Constitution, the Laws of this country, and want special treatment. I don’t give a crap what color they are but they keep bringing it up. Black Lives Matter, Black Caucuses, etc… The rest of us just want everyone to be Americans but it’s liberals that won’t let race go because they need it to stay in power. You want to attack me for my beliefs Ken, that’s fine. You want to call me a racist, what I really want to tell you will get me banned. I’m done with this and Ken, please don’t ever speak to me again. You went too far. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 8:17 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? Black people really seem to set you off. From: Rory Conaway Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 8:51 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? Faisal, I’m ready to continue our other discussion. BTW, Black Lives Matter showed up to the Chicago rally and now there is looting and gun fire. I really doubt the Trump supporters are doing that. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 7:32 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is i
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If you start sending these millions of undocumented workers back to the countries of origin, you will see the destruction of the US agricultural system virtually overnight. On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 10:58 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: > Screw farm work. God Bless Farmers and Ranchers. I hate farm work. > > I grew up in Oregon –dry land wheat and cattle. Relatives had fruit. > Hispanics were absolutely – ABSOLUTELY -necessary to get the fruit > harvested. Still are. > > In technology jobs, I have fired more Whites than Hispanics for drug abuse. > Probably by a factor of 10:1 > My experience is that Hispanics are harder workers and more trustworthy than > any other group at the lower pay scales. I hate hiring white folks at the > entry levels unless then are under 21 years old. If they are 35 and > applying for entry level there must be drugs involved. > > I cannot remember ever having a Hispanic steal from me. 100% white dudes > and as I recall 100% drug use involved. > > > From: Jaime Solorza > Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 9:47 AM > To: Animal Farm > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? > > funny thing Kenwhen I spoke at a conference for ElectroComm with Matt > Larsen and Marlon Schaefer some guy came up to me after talk and asked what > I thought about illegal immigration and how I had obtain a permit to travel > in US. I chuckled and asked where he was from...Nebraska...I told him to > me it was a simple case of supply and demand just like drugs. If American > companies and farmers didn't hire them, they wouldn't be here. Many > natives do not want to work in the sun and do hard work for little pay or in > fact for decent pay. Ask Chuck about working on a farm or others on this > listthat is back breaking work and if you own the farm the pay is really > low. When Border Patrol made some big raids a few years back and deported > hundreds of illegals, some farmers and growers tried to hire US born workers > and many quit by noon. Crops and fruits went bad. Millions of dollars in > produce lost. So like drugs, if there is a demand, someone will supply. > Trump uses illegals in his hotels and resorts around US. He speaks with > fork tongue. > I remember one of you posted you would hire Hispanic work force because they > are good workers.I found that that interesting..I fired an entire > Hispanic crew because they started abusing cocaine and pawning equipment. > The only loyal employee was a Mexican tower guy that I used on cross border > shots up and down Texas border. He could not work in US so after we > finished the job, I closed the company. I could pretend to be naive and > say my guys followed the white man's ways.but I am blessed I don;t think > that way. > My ex-wife is a Perry, ugh, yes part of that Perry group, so my kids are > Chingos...(half Chicano-half Gringo)..huhthe cognus scenti will > appreciate one.One of my granddaughters, Julianna Juana Gandara Solorza > is a real mixture..Irish, British,Spanish, Mexican and Native Americanoh > wait she is an AMERICAN > > Jaime Solorza > Wireless Systems Architect > 915-861-1390 > > On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 9:24 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: >> >> Yes, I think your statements sound racist, and finally I call your out for >> it. Why is that over the line? You have made some pretty inflammatory >> statements, but it seems you can’t take any criticism? >> >> We have a WISPA conference coming up. One thing I always notice is we are >> not a very diverse crowd. Almost all white men. That leads to the belief >> that prejudice is OK because everyone here thinks that way too. >> >> >> From: Rory Conaway >> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 10:14 AM >> To: af@afmug.com >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? >> >> >> That’s out of line Ken, at any level. What matters to me is that the >> violence fostered by ignorant people in our society who don’t contribute, >> but foster racial hatred and disdain for the Constitution, the Laws of this >> country, and want special treatment. I don’t give a crap what color they >> are but they keep bringing it up. Black Lives Matter, Black Caucuses, etc… >> The rest of us just want everyone to be Americans but it’s liberals that >> won’t let race go because they need it to stay in power. >> >> >> >> You want to attack me for my beliefs Ken, that’s fine. You want to call >> me a racist, what I really want to tell you will get me banned. I’m done >> with this and Ken, please don’t ever speak to me again. You went too far. >> >> >> >> Rory >> >> >> >> From:
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You know Rory, as long as it's "conservatives versus liberals" and liberals are the scum of the earth, you're never going to listen to reason. For the most part I F6 your posts because they all seem to go down the same rat hole. You seem to have a chip on your shoulder. bp On 3/12/2016 8:56 AM, Rory Conaway wrote: You know what Ken, let’s do this. You need me to sound racist because your liberal mindset is that everyone is a victim. I probably have a much wider diversity of friends, business partners, and colleagues than you do and never has anyone ever called me racist. Because I abhor racial division and call it out for what it is, an excuse for failure and control by race hustlers, I’m a racist. That’s the pea-brained mentality of the intellectually dishonest. You simply can’t understand that there are those of us who don’t care about race, we simply don’t have time for it in our lives and we don’t see it. However, we can define the problems created by race, race hustlers, and liberals who don’t want to face facts, just blame everyone else for their problems and failures. What I care about is that there is a class of people that are not assimilating into society because nobody wants to face the facts. You would rather stick your head in the sand and call out those of us who see the truth racists. Here is a fact, not having a solid family support system, not following the law, and not working hard is a recipe for failure, regardless of the race. If you don’t want to face that fact, so be it. Stick your head in the sand, blame me and call me names, and stand by while our country falls apart because you don’t have the intellectual honesty to face that fact that the greatest country in the world is falling apart from within and from the outside. Hell yes, I want our borders sealed and immigrants required to learn our language and honor our heritage. Hell yes I want every child to get a good education that honors this country, the founders that gave it to us, and the men and women who died to protect it. And until we recognize that keeping an entire culture in poverty and ignorance by not expecting them to excel is a bad thing, then we as a country are doomed to further internal violence, strife, and separation. I don’t care about the color, I care about the fact that color is used as an excuse. The sad part is it’s not just any specific culture, it’s the entire generation. There isn’t a manufacturer here that doesn’t have engineering outside this country because they can’t find enough engineering talent within our own borders because our culture and education failed an entire generation. And as for Obama, his policies have escalated this problem, including unemployment, a poor economy, lower standards of living, hatred of police and authority, and racial division and escalation. So if you are big supporter of him, congratulations, you picked a real winner there. You want the truth, that’s it. So bring it on Ken. I’ll back my conclusions with the facts from the Census bureau, the FBI, the U.S Department of the Interior, the U.S. Bureau of Labor, and the Bureau of Economic Analysis but those facts won’t matter will they? Rory *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof *Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 9:25 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? Yes, I think your statements sound racist, and finally I call your out for it. Why is that over the line? You have made some pretty inflammatory statements, but it seems you can’t take any criticism? We have a WISPA conference coming up. One thing I always notice is we are not a very diverse crowd. Almost all white men. That leads to the belief that prejudice is OK because everyone here thinks that way too. *From:*Rory Conaway <mailto:r...@triadwireless.net> *Sent:*Saturday, March 12, 2016 10:14 AM *To:*af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? That’s out of line Ken, at any level. What matters to me is that the violence fostered by ignorant people in our society who don’t contribute, but foster racial hatred and disdain for the Constitution, the Laws of this country, and want special treatment. I don’t give a crap what color they are but they keep bringing it up. Black Lives Matter, Black Caucuses, etc… The rest of us just want everyone to be Americans but it’s liberals that won’t let race go because they need it to stay in power. You want to attack me for my beliefs Ken, that’s fine. You want to call me a racist, what I really want to tell you will get me banned. I’m done with this and Ken, please don’t ever speak to me again. You went too far. Rory *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof *Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 8:17 AM *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is
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Well said. Both sides are acting moronic right now. It isn’t just the right. We’re watching our country dissolve. From: Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 8:32 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? I hope you realize that everyone participating in this discussion is an Adult, and a Patriot. Everyone is very much concerned about the future of our great nation. The discussion is over the events as they are unfolding. It is very interesting to me, as an independent, that folks on the right are so upset, and so polarized in their view that they are willing to accept bad behavior from anyone of their affiliated party, since that person can do nothing wrong and the other side cannot do nothing right... I fully understand that everyone is passionate, but exchange of views in a polite healthy manner is the proper decorum, watching the GOP primaries turn into a circus act is embarrassing, because the world is watching, and to see folks trying to explain and justify is even more troubling. Bad behavior is bad behavior, it should be called out, and it should not bt acceptable at any level from anyone. While the media is fully responsible for fueling the fire and covering only the inciting stuff watch closely the clips of trouble at the Trump rallies, there appears to be an steadily increasing amount of 'supporter participation' in this bad behavior (when someone is being lead out, by security there are folks hitting and throwing punches at the person being lead out).. and Mr Trump constantly refuses to condemn such behavior, which indicates approval. While you can explain it and justify it which ever way you want, some of us who have had a broader view of the world, have seen this type of behavior and events , in the other parts of the world.. and the end results were not very good for anyone As such their is rising concern. The GOP is playing with Fire, one they think they can control historically speaking when that particular type of genie is let out of the bottle, no one has been able to control it . :) Regards Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net From: "Rory Conaway" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 9:05:42 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? Jaime, travel to the WWII museum and learn about the sacrifices we made as a country to stop men like Hitler. You have so mischaracterized what Trump is saying but I’d rather take this discussion elsewhere to someplace like Facebook. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 6:59 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? Fault? Its human natureyou push me and I push back...most fights start that way...literally and figuratively... Trump doesn't deny he has asked him audience to beat the crap of those "bad dudes"...let's go back to old dayswhat civil rights riots? Wallace? Lynching? He is playing to the older white man who fears foreigners are taking over the US. Xenophobia was one of Hitler and others methods used to create a fervor and led to murder of millions. i have a different perspective on things from my ancestors and upbringing plus traveling. Travel outside USA and your eyes open a bit more. I normally stay quiet on politics but not this time.too much at stake...Trump will not win.
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I'm going to say something and hopefully take this in a slightly different direction... (A) Do you believe the broadband divide exists? (B) Do you believe the ability for people to have access to high speed broadband in their homes, at a reasonable cost, has a negative impact on the economy and their political decision making? Request - No political "slurs", we are all Americans On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 11:08 AM, Glen Waldrop wrote: > Well said. > > Both sides are acting moronic right now. It isn’t just the right. > > We’re watching our country dissolve. > > > > From: Faisal Imtiaz > Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 8:32 AM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? > > I hope you realize that everyone participating in this discussion is an > Adult, and a Patriot. Everyone is very much concerned about the future of > our great nation. The discussion is over the events as they are unfolding. > > It is very interesting to me, as an independent, that folks on the right are > so upset, and so polarized in their view that they are willing to accept > bad behavior from anyone of their affiliated party, since that person can > do nothing wrong and the other side cannot do nothing right... > > I fully understand that everyone is passionate, but exchange of views in a > polite healthy manner is the proper decorum, watching the GOP primaries turn > into a circus act is embarrassing, because the world is watching, and to > see folks trying to explain and justify is even more troubling. > > Bad behavior is bad behavior, it should be called out, and it should not bt > acceptable at any level from anyone. While the media is fully responsible > for fueling the fire and covering only the inciting stuff watch closely > the clips of trouble at the Trump rallies, there appears to be an steadily > increasing amount of 'supporter participation' in this bad behavior > (when someone is being lead out, by security there are folks hitting and > throwing punches at the person being lead out).. and Mr Trump constantly > refuses to condemn such behavior, which indicates approval. > > While you can explain it and justify it which ever way you want, some of us > who have had a broader view of the world, have seen this type of behavior > and events , in the other parts of the world.. and the end results were not > very good for anyone As such their is rising concern. > > The GOP is playing with Fire, one they think they can control > historically speaking when that particular type of genie is let out of the > bottle, no one has been able to control it . > > > :) > > > Regards > > Faisal Imtiaz > Snappy Internet & Telecom > 7266 SW 48 Street > Miami, FL 33155 > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 > > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > > > > From: "Rory Conaway" > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 9:05:42 AM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? > > Jaime, travel to the WWII museum and learn about the sacrifices we made as a > country to stop men like Hitler. You have so mischaracterized what Trump is > saying but I’d rather take this discussion elsewhere to someplace like > Facebook. > > > > Rory > > > > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza > Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 6:59 AM > To: Animal Farm > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? > > > > Fault? Its human natureyou push me and I push back...most fights start > that way...literally and figuratively... Trump doesn't deny he has asked him > audience to beat the crap of those "bad dudes"...let's go back to old > dayswhat civil rights riots? Wallace? Lynching? He is playing to the > older white man who fears foreigners are taking over the US. Xenophobia was > one of Hitler and others methods used to create a fervor and led to murder > of millions. i have a different perspective on things from my ancestors and > upbringing plus traveling. Travel outside USA and your eyes open a bit > more.I normally stay quiet on politics but not this time.too much at > stake...Trump will not win. > >
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I’m more than willing to listen to reason when it’s based on facts, period. I can back up with facts provided by the U.S. Government that proves our country has backslid over the last 7 years on almost every front. Please show me facts that dispute that statement. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 10:02 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? You know Rory, as long as it's "conservatives versus liberals" and liberals are the scum of the earth, you're never going to listen to reason. For the most part I F6 your posts because they all seem to go down the same rat hole. You seem to have a chip on your shoulder. bp On 3/12/2016 8:56 AM, Rory Conaway wrote: You know what Ken, let’s do this. You need me to sound racist because your liberal mindset is that everyone is a victim. I probably have a much wider diversity of friends, business partners, and colleagues than you do and never has anyone ever called me racist. Because I abhor racial division and call it out for what it is, an excuse for failure and control by race hustlers, I’m a racist. That’s the pea-brained mentality of the intellectually dishonest. You simply can’t understand that there are those of us who don’t care about race, we simply don’t have time for it in our lives and we don’t see it. However, we can define the problems created by race, race hustlers, and liberals who don’t want to face facts, just blame everyone else for their problems and failures. What I care about is that there is a class of people that are not assimilating into society because nobody wants to face the facts. You would rather stick your head in the sand and call out those of us who see the truth racists. Here is a fact, not having a solid family support system, not following the law, and not working hard is a recipe for failure, regardless of the race. If you don’t want to face that fact, so be it. Stick your head in the sand, blame me and call me names, and stand by while our country falls apart because you don’t have the intellectual honesty to face that fact that the greatest country in the world is falling apart from within and from the outside. Hell yes, I want our borders sealed and immigrants required to learn our language and honor our heritage. Hell yes I want every child to get a good education that honors this country, the founders that gave it to us, and the men and women who died to protect it. And until we recognize that keeping an entire culture in poverty and ignorance by not expecting them to excel is a bad thing, then we as a country are doomed to further internal violence, strife, and separation. I don’t care about the color, I care about the fact that color is used as an excuse. The sad part is it’s not just any specific culture, it’s the entire generation. There isn’t a manufacturer here that doesn’t have engineering outside this country because they can’t find enough engineering talent within our own borders because our culture and education failed an entire generation. And as for Obama, his policies have escalated this problem, including unemployment, a poor economy, lower standards of living, hatred of police and authority, and racial division and escalation. So if you are big supporter of him, congratulations, you picked a real winner there. You want the truth, that’s it. So bring it on Ken. I’ll back my conclusions with the facts from the Census bureau, the FBI, the U.S Department of the Interior, the U.S. Bureau of Labor, and the Bureau of Economic Analysis but those facts won’t matter will they? Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 9:25 AM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? Yes, I think your statements sound racist, and finally I call your out for it. Why is that over the line? You have made some pretty inflammatory statements, but it seems you can’t take any criticism? We have a WISPA conference coming up. One thing I always notice is we are not a very diverse crowd. Almost all white men. That leads to the belief that prejudice is OK because everyone here thinks that way too. From: Rory Conaway<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 10:14 AM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? That’s out of line Ken, at any level. What matters to me is that the violence fostered by ignorant people in our society who don’t contribute, but foster racial hatred and disdain for the Constitution, the Laws of this country, and want special treatment. I don’t give a crap what color they are but they keep bringing it up. Black Lives Matter, Black Caucuses, etc… The rest of us just want everyone to be Americans but it’s liberals that won’t let race go becaus
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Clarification: "Do you believe the LACK of broadband can have a negative impact on the economy and political decision making"... Sorry if I wasn't clear. On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 11:13 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote: > I'm going to say something and hopefully take this in a slightly > different direction... > > (A) Do you believe the broadband divide exists? > (B) Do you believe the ability for people to have access to high speed > broadband in their homes, at a reasonable cost, has a negative impact > on the economy and their political decision making? > > Request - No political "slurs", we are all Americans > > On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 11:08 AM, Glen Waldrop wrote: >> Well said. >> >> Both sides are acting moronic right now. It isn’t just the right. >> >> We’re watching our country dissolve. >> >> >> >> From: Faisal Imtiaz >> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 8:32 AM >> To: af@afmug.com >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? >> >> I hope you realize that everyone participating in this discussion is an >> Adult, and a Patriot. Everyone is very much concerned about the future of >> our great nation. The discussion is over the events as they are unfolding. >> >> It is very interesting to me, as an independent, that folks on the right are >> so upset, and so polarized in their view that they are willing to accept >> bad behavior from anyone of their affiliated party, since that person can >> do nothing wrong and the other side cannot do nothing right... >> >> I fully understand that everyone is passionate, but exchange of views in a >> polite healthy manner is the proper decorum, watching the GOP primaries turn >> into a circus act is embarrassing, because the world is watching, and to >> see folks trying to explain and justify is even more troubling. >> >> Bad behavior is bad behavior, it should be called out, and it should not bt >> acceptable at any level from anyone. While the media is fully responsible >> for fueling the fire and covering only the inciting stuff watch closely >> the clips of trouble at the Trump rallies, there appears to be an steadily >> increasing amount of 'supporter participation' in this bad behavior >> (when someone is being lead out, by security there are folks hitting and >> throwing punches at the person being lead out).. and Mr Trump constantly >> refuses to condemn such behavior, which indicates approval. >> >> While you can explain it and justify it which ever way you want, some of us >> who have had a broader view of the world, have seen this type of behavior >> and events , in the other parts of the world.. and the end results were not >> very good for anyone As such their is rising concern. >> >> The GOP is playing with Fire, one they think they can control >> historically speaking when that particular type of genie is let out of the >> bottle, no one has been able to control it . >> >> >> :) >> >> >> Regards >> >> Faisal Imtiaz >> Snappy Internet & Telecom >> 7266 SW 48 Street >> Miami, FL 33155 >> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 >> >> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net >> >> >> >> From: "Rory Conaway" >> To: af@afmug.com >> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 9:05:42 AM >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? >> >> Jaime, travel to the WWII museum and learn about the sacrifices we made as a >> country to stop men like Hitler. You have so mischaracterized what Trump is >> saying but I’d rather take this discussion elsewhere to someplace like >> Facebook. >> >> >> >> Rory >> >> >> >> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza >> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 6:59 AM >> To: Animal Farm >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? >> >> >> >> Fault? Its human natureyou push me and I push back...most fights start >> that way...literally and figuratively... Trump doesn't deny he has asked him >> audience to beat the crap of those "bad dudes"...let's go back to old >> dayswhat civil rights riots? Wallace? Lynching? He is playing to the >> older white man who fears foreigners are taking over the US. Xenophobia was >> one of Hitler and others methods used to create a fervor and led to murder >> of millions. i have a different perspective on things from my ancestors and >> upbringing plus traveling. Travel outside USA and your eyes open a bit >> more.I normally stay quiet on politics but not this time.too much at >> stake...Trump will not win. >> >>
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Ok, show us how it has backslid http://www.factcheck.org/2016/01/obamas-numbers-january-2016-update/ On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 10:14 AM, Rory Conaway wrote: > I’m more than willing to listen to reason when it’s based on facts, > period. I can back up with facts provided by the U.S. Government that > proves our country has backslid over the last 7 years on almost every > front. Please show me facts that dispute that statement. > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince > *Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 10:02 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? > > > > You know Rory, as long as it's "conservatives versus liberals" and > liberals are the scum of the earth, you're never going to listen to reason. > > For the most part I F6 your posts because they all seem to go down the > same rat hole. You seem to have a chip on your shoulder. > > > bp > > > > > > On 3/12/2016 8:56 AM, Rory Conaway wrote: > > You know what Ken, let’s do this. > > > > You need me to sound racist because your liberal mindset is that everyone > is a victim. I probably have a much wider diversity of friends, business > partners, and colleagues than you do and never has anyone ever called me > racist. Because I abhor racial division and call it out for what it is, an > excuse for failure and control by race hustlers, I’m a racist. That’s the > pea-brained mentality of the intellectually dishonest. You simply can’t > understand that there are those of us who don’t care about race, we simply > don’t have time for it in our lives and we don’t see it. However, we can > define the problems created by race, race hustlers, and liberals who don’t > want to face facts, just blame everyone else for their problems and > failures. > > > > What I care about is that there is a class of people that are not > assimilating into society because nobody wants to face the facts. You > would rather stick your head in the sand and call out those of us who see > the truth racists. Here is a fact, not having a solid family support > system, not following the law, and not working hard is a recipe for > failure, regardless of the race. If you don’t want to face that fact, so > be it. Stick your head in the sand, blame me and call me names, and stand > by while our country falls apart because you don’t have the intellectual > honesty to face that fact that the greatest country in the world is falling > apart from within and from the outside. Hell yes, I want our borders > sealed and immigrants required to learn our language and honor our > heritage. Hell yes I want every child to get a good education that honors > this country, the founders that gave it to us, and the men and women who > died to protect it. And until we recognize that keeping an entire culture > in poverty and ignorance by not expecting them to excel is a bad thing, > then we as a country are doomed to further internal violence, strife, and > separation. I don’t care about the color, I care about the fact that > color is used as an excuse. > > > > The sad part is it’s not just any specific culture, it’s the entire > generation. There isn’t a manufacturer here that doesn’t have engineering > outside this country because they can’t find enough engineering talent > within our own borders because our culture and education failed an entire > generation. And as for Obama, his policies have escalated this problem, > including unemployment, a poor economy, lower standards of living, hatred > of police and authority, and racial division and escalation. So if you are > big supporter of him, congratulations, you picked a real winner there. You > want the truth, that’s it. So bring it on Ken. I’ll back my conclusions > with the facts from the Census bureau, the FBI, the U.S Department of the > Interior, the U.S. Bureau of Labor, and the Bureau of Economic Analysis but > those facts won’t matter will they? > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On > Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof > *Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 9:25 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? > > > > Yes, I think your statements sound racist, and finally I call your out for > it. Why is that over the line? You have made some pretty inflammatory > statements, but it seems you can’t take any criticism? > > > > We have a WISPA conference coming up. One thing I always notice is we are > not a very diverse crowd. Almost all white men. That leads to the belief > that prejudice is OK because everyone here thinks that way too. > > > > > > *Fro
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I don't live in a lower class urban area. I have no basis for an opinion. In the areas I serve, I don't think there is a broadband divide. At least not based on income. I think that broadband is more important than the telephone was back when the USF was started. -Original Message- From: Josh Reynolds Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 10:13 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? I'm going to say something and hopefully take this in a slightly different direction... (A) Do you believe the broadband divide exists? (B) Do you believe the ability for people to have access to high speed broadband in their homes, at a reasonable cost, has a negative impact on the economy and their political decision making? Request - No political "slurs", we are all Americans On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 11:08 AM, Glen Waldrop wrote: Well said. Both sides are acting moronic right now. It isn’t just the right. We’re watching our country dissolve. From: Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 8:32 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? I hope you realize that everyone participating in this discussion is an Adult, and a Patriot. Everyone is very much concerned about the future of our great nation. The discussion is over the events as they are unfolding. It is very interesting to me, as an independent, that folks on the right are so upset, and so polarized in their view that they are willing to accept bad behavior from anyone of their affiliated party, since that person can do nothing wrong and the other side cannot do nothing right... I fully understand that everyone is passionate, but exchange of views in a polite healthy manner is the proper decorum, watching the GOP primaries turn into a circus act is embarrassing, because the world is watching, and to see folks trying to explain and justify is even more troubling. Bad behavior is bad behavior, it should be called out, and it should not bt acceptable at any level from anyone. While the media is fully responsible for fueling the fire and covering only the inciting stuff watch closely the clips of trouble at the Trump rallies, there appears to be an steadily increasing amount of 'supporter participation' in this bad behavior (when someone is being lead out, by security there are folks hitting and throwing punches at the person being lead out).. and Mr Trump constantly refuses to condemn such behavior, which indicates approval. While you can explain it and justify it which ever way you want, some of us who have had a broader view of the world, have seen this type of behavior and events , in the other parts of the world.. and the end results were not very good for anyone As such their is rising concern. The GOP is playing with Fire, one they think they can control historically speaking when that particular type of genie is let out of the bottle, no one has been able to control it . :) Regards Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net From: "Rory Conaway" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 9:05:42 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? Jaime, travel to the WWII museum and learn about the sacrifices we made as a country to stop men like Hitler. You have so mischaracterized what Trump is saying but I’d rather take this discussion elsewhere to someplace like Facebook. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 6:59 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? Fault? Its human natureyou push me and I push back...most fights start that way...literally and figuratively... Trump doesn't deny he has asked him audience to beat the crap of those "bad dudes"...let's go back to old dayswhat civil rights riots? Wallace? Lynching? He is playing to the older white man who fears foreigners are taking over the US. Xenophobia was one of Hitler and others methods used to create a fervor and led to murder of millions. i have a different perspective on things from my ancestors and upbringing plus traveling. Travel outside USA and your eyes open a bit more.I normally stay quiet on politics but not this time.too much at stake...Trump will not win.
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Wow. Way to gang up guys. I have to agree with Rory here. Black Lives Matter has all but become the mirror image of the KKK. Sure, some of them are doing it for the right reasons, but like environmentalists, feminists and dozens of other –ists the wackos have hijacked what could have been something powerful, something good, and gone *way* over the line. One common thing among those groups are the very vocal fringe left. I’m sitting here in the middle watching both sides go completely apeshit crazy. Can no one sit back and look at the big picture? Are we so divided that logic has completely left the discussion? It certainly seems that way and not just on the list. From: Bill Prince Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 11:02 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? You know Rory, as long as it's "conservatives versus liberals" and liberals are the scum of the earth, you're never going to listen to reason. For the most part I F6 your posts because they all seem to go down the same rat hole. You seem to have a chip on your shoulder. bp On 3/12/2016 8:56 AM, Rory Conaway wrote: You know what Ken, let’s do this. You need me to sound racist because your liberal mindset is that everyone is a victim. I probably have a much wider diversity of friends, business partners, and colleagues than you do and never has anyone ever called me racist. Because I abhor racial division and call it out for what it is, an excuse for failure and control by race hustlers, I’m a racist. That’s the pea-brained mentality of the intellectually dishonest. You simply can’t understand that there are those of us who don’t care about race, we simply don’t have time for it in our lives and we don’t see it. However, we can define the problems created by race, race hustlers, and liberals who don’t want to face facts, just blame everyone else for their problems and failures. What I care about is that there is a class of people that are not assimilating into society because nobody wants to face the facts. You would rather stick your head in the sand and call out those of us who see the truth racists. Here is a fact, not having a solid family support system, not following the law, and not working hard is a recipe for failure, regardless of the race. If you don’t want to face that fact, so be it. Stick your head in the sand, blame me and call me names, and stand by while our country falls apart because you don’t have the intellectual honesty to face that fact that the greatest country in the world is falling apart from within and from the outside. Hell yes, I want our borders sealed and immigrants required to learn our language and honor our heritage. Hell yes I want every child to get a good education that honors this country, the founders that gave it to us, and the men and women who died to protect it. And until we recognize that keeping an entire culture in poverty and ignorance by not expecting them to excel is a bad thing, then we as a country are doomed to further internal violence, strife, and separation. I don’t care about the color, I care about the fact that color is used as an excuse. The sad part is it’s not just any specific culture, it’s the entire generation. There isn’t a manufacturer here that doesn’t have engineering outside this country because they can’t find enough engineering talent within our own borders because our culture and education failed an entire generation. And as for Obama, his policies have escalated this problem, including unemployment, a poor economy, lower standards of living, hatred of police and authority, and racial division and escalation. So if you are big supporter of him, congratulations, you picked a real winner there. You want the truth, that’s it. So bring it on Ken. I’ll back my conclusions with the facts from the Census bureau, the FBI, the U.S Department of the Interior, the U.S. Bureau of Labor, and the Bureau of Economic Analysis but those facts won’t matter will they? Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 9:25 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? Yes, I think your statements sound racist, and finally I call your out for it. Why is that over the line? You have made some pretty inflammatory statements, but it seems you can’t take any criticism? We have a WISPA conference coming up. One thing I always notice is we are not a very diverse crowd. Almost all white men. That leads to the belief that prejudice is OK because everyone here thinks that way too. From: Rory Conaway Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 10:14 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? That’s out of line Ken, at any level. What matters to me is that the violence fostered by ignorant people in o
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Mirror image of the KKK?? Wow. I have yet to see guys in black hoods dragging white people behind their cars, throwing bricks through their windows, burning crosses, and hanging white people from trees. A bit of an overstatement don't you think? On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 10:18 AM, Glen Waldrop wrote: > Wow. > > Way to gang up guys. > > I have to agree with Rory here. Black Lives Matter has all but become the > mirror image of the KKK. Sure, some of them are doing it for the right > reasons, but like environmentalists, feminists and dozens of other –ists > the wackos have hijacked what could have been something powerful, something > good, and gone *way* over the line. > > One common thing among those groups are the very vocal fringe left. > > I’m sitting here in the middle watching both sides go completely apeshit > crazy. > > Can no one sit back and look at the big picture? > > Are we so divided that logic has completely left the discussion? It > certainly seems that way and not just on the list. > > > > *From:* Bill Prince > *Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 11:02 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? > > You know Rory, as long as it's "conservatives versus liberals" and > liberals are the scum of the earth, you're never going to listen to reason. > > For the most part I F6 your posts because they all seem to go down the > same rat hole. You seem to have a chip on your shoulder. > > bp > > > > On 3/12/2016 8:56 AM, Rory Conaway wrote: > > You know what Ken, let’s do this. > > > > You need me to sound racist because your liberal mindset is that everyone > is a victim. I probably have a much wider diversity of friends, business > partners, and colleagues than you do and never has anyone ever called me > racist. Because I abhor racial division and call it out for what it is, an > excuse for failure and control by race hustlers, I’m a racist. That’s the > pea-brained mentality of the intellectually dishonest. You simply can’t > understand that there are those of us who don’t care about race, we simply > don’t have time for it in our lives and we don’t see it. However, we can > define the problems created by race, race hustlers, and liberals who don’t > want to face facts, just blame everyone else for their problems and > failures. > > > > What I care about is that there is a class of people that are not > assimilating into society because nobody wants to face the facts. You > would rather stick your head in the sand and call out those of us who see > the truth racists. Here is a fact, not having a solid family support > system, not following the law, and not working hard is a recipe for > failure, regardless of the race. If you don’t want to face that fact, so > be it. Stick your head in the sand, blame me and call me names, and stand > by while our country falls apart because you don’t have the intellectual > honesty to face that fact that the greatest country in the world is falling > apart from within and from the outside. Hell yes, I want our borders > sealed and immigrants required to learn our language and honor our > heritage. Hell yes I want every child to get a good education that honors > this country, the founders that gave it to us, and the men and women who > died to protect it. And until we recognize that keeping an entire culture > in poverty and ignorance by not expecting them to excel is a bad thing, > then we as a country are doomed to further internal violence, strife, and > separation. I don’t care about the color, I care about the fact that > color is used as an excuse. > > > > The sad part is it’s not just any specific culture, it’s the entire > generation. There isn’t a manufacturer here that doesn’t have engineering > outside this country because they can’t find enough engineering talent > within our own borders because our culture and education failed an entire > generation. And as for Obama, his policies have escalated this problem, > including unemployment, a poor economy, lower standards of living, hatred > of police and authority, and racial division and escalation. So if you are > big supporter of him, congratulations, you picked a real winner there. You > want the truth, that’s it. So bring it on Ken. I’ll back my conclusions > with the facts from the Census bureau, the FBI, the U.S Department of the > Interior, the U.S. Bureau of Labor, and the Bureau of Economic Analysis but > those facts won’t matter will they? > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On > Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof > *Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 9:25 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG
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Hold up partner...first let's agree that we can disagree and still have a beer together.Our founding fathers were men just like you and me...sinners and not perfect while the intent of Constitution said one thing...the reality was way different for the Native Americans and African Americans. Entire nations wiped out or moved to reservationsvisit some in your beautiful state of Arizona...I am sure they will be happy to hear your speech..or go to Cabrini Green in Chicago... oh wait...it's gone...go to parts of the south and east and talk to them about the constitution. Learn the language... yes that ln makes sense...on same token...look at most folks in Europe and Asia..and more now in Middle East...they speak several languagesrespect our heritage? Don't think so Bubba...how quickly you forget signs in restaurants and hotels ..No Dogs, Negroes or Mexicans Allowed. Jim Crow era, KKK era, voting and gerrymandered ploys to keep Republicans in office even when population didn't reflect it, second rate education and facilities for minorities..sending minorities in greater numbers compared to whites to 'NAM...why do you think the hippies came up in 60s? If you say drugs you are wrong...why protest of convention in Chicago? And it was the Democratic Convention not Republican. So I don't know what great heritage you are talking about. I think it's great that folks keep in touch with their cultureAmerica is Not the Borg we can't all be blue eyed blonde folks. That would be too Twilight Zone stop listening to talk shows and Fox TV...try something novel...reading a history book..but not one printed in Texasajuuaaa On Mar 12, 2016 9:56 AM, "Rory Conaway" wrote: > You know what Ken, let’s do this. > > > > You need me to sound racist because your liberal mindset is that everyone > is a victim. I probably have a much wider diversity of friends, business > partners, and colleagues than you do and never has anyone ever called me > racist. Because I abhor racial division and call it out for what it is, an > excuse for failure and control by race hustlers, I’m a racist. That’s the > pea-brained mentality of the intellectually dishonest. You simply can’t > understand that there are those of us who don’t care about race, we simply > don’t have time for it in our lives and we don’t see it. However, we can > define the problems created by race, race hustlers, and liberals who don’t > want to face facts, just blame everyone else for their problems and > failures. > > > > What I care about is that there is a class of people that are not > assimilating into society because nobody wants to face the facts. You > would rather stick your head in the sand and call out those of us who see > the truth racists. Here is a fact, not having a solid family support > system, not following the law, and not working hard is a recipe for > failure, regardless of the race. If you don’t want to face that fact, so > be it. Stick your head in the sand, blame me and call me names, and stand > by while our country falls apart because you don’t have the intellectual > honesty to face that fact that the greatest country in the world is falling > apart from within and from the outside. Hell yes, I want our borders > sealed and immigrants required to learn our language and honor our > heritage. Hell yes I want every child to get a good education that honors > this country, the founders that gave it to us, and the men and women who > died to protect it. And until we recognize that keeping an entire culture > in poverty and ignorance by not expecting them to excel is a bad thing, > then we as a country are doomed to further internal violence, strife, and > separation. I don’t care about the color, I care about the fact that > color is used as an excuse. > > > > The sad part is it’s not just any specific culture, it’s the entire > generation. There isn’t a manufacturer here that doesn’t have engineering > outside this country because they can’t find enough engineering talent > within our own borders because our culture and education failed an entire > generation. And as for Obama, his policies have escalated this problem, > including unemployment, a poor economy, lower standards of living, hatred > of police and authority, and racial division and escalation. So if you are > big supporter of him, congratulations, you picked a real winner there. You > want the truth, that’s it. So bring it on Ken. I’ll back my conclusions > with the facts from the Census bureau, the FBI, the U.S Department of the > Interior, the U.S. Bureau of Labor, and the Bureau of Economic Analysis but > those facts won’t matter will they? > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com]
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Time for me to weigh in here. Trump scares me. I'm not convinced he's actually going to behave in a way which matches his campaign persona. I'm also not convinced he isn't. What scares me is that he is very successfully stirring up the most extreme parts of our country. He's pushing all the right buttons for the people who believe this country has slid. Throw out all the Mexicans because they're all murderous rapists. Kill ISIS. Close our borders. IF it's an extreme position (on either side), he's pushing those buttons. And somehow gaining voters because of it (which is even more scary). Just him running for president seems to be tearing our country apart. What the heck is going to happen if he's elected? On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 10:20 AM, Jeremy wrote: > Mirror image of the KKK?? Wow. I have yet to see guys in black hoods > dragging white people behind their cars, throwing bricks through their > windows, burning crosses, and hanging white people from trees. A bit of an > overstatement don't you think? > > On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 10:18 AM, Glen Waldrop > wrote: > >> Wow. >> >> Way to gang up guys. >> >> I have to agree with Rory here. Black Lives Matter has all but become the >> mirror image of the KKK. Sure, some of them are doing it for the right >> reasons, but like environmentalists, feminists and dozens of other –ists >> the wackos have hijacked what could have been something powerful, something >> good, and gone *way* over the line. >> >> One common thing among those groups are the very vocal fringe left. >> >> I’m sitting here in the middle watching both sides go completely apeshit >> crazy. >> >> Can no one sit back and look at the big picture? >> >> Are we so divided that logic has completely left the discussion? It >> certainly seems that way and not just on the list. >> >> >> >> *From:* Bill Prince >> *Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 11:02 AM >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? >> >> You know Rory, as long as it's "conservatives versus liberals" and >> liberals are the scum of the earth, you're never going to listen to reason. >> >> For the most part I F6 your posts because they all seem to go down the >> same rat hole. You seem to have a chip on your shoulder. >> >> bp >> >> >> >> On 3/12/2016 8:56 AM, Rory Conaway wrote: >> >> You know what Ken, let’s do this. >> >> >> >> You need me to sound racist because your liberal mindset is that everyone >> is a victim. I probably have a much wider diversity of friends, business >> partners, and colleagues than you do and never has anyone ever called me >> racist. Because I abhor racial division and call it out for what it is, an >> excuse for failure and control by race hustlers, I’m a racist. That’s the >> pea-brained mentality of the intellectually dishonest. You simply can’t >> understand that there are those of us who don’t care about race, we simply >> don’t have time for it in our lives and we don’t see it. However, we can >> define the problems created by race, race hustlers, and liberals who don’t >> want to face facts, just blame everyone else for their problems and >> failures. >> >> >> >> What I care about is that there is a class of people that are not >> assimilating into society because nobody wants to face the facts. You >> would rather stick your head in the sand and call out those of us who see >> the truth racists. Here is a fact, not having a solid family support >> system, not following the law, and not working hard is a recipe for >> failure, regardless of the race. If you don’t want to face that fact, so >> be it. Stick your head in the sand, blame me and call me names, and stand >> by while our country falls apart because you don’t have the intellectual >> honesty to face that fact that the greatest country in the world is falling >> apart from within and from the outside. Hell yes, I want our borders >> sealed and immigrants required to learn our language and honor our >> heritage. Hell yes I want every child to get a good education that honors >> this country, the founders that gave it to us, and the men and women who >> died to protect it. And until we recognize that keeping an entire culture >> in poverty and ignorance by not expecting them to excel is a bad thing, >> then we as a country are doomed to further internal violence, strife, and >> separation. I don’t care about the color, I care about the fact that >&g
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The last TV star president wasn't bad at all. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 12, 2016 12:28 PM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)" < li...@packetflux.com> wrote: > Time for me to weigh in here. > > Trump scares me. I'm not convinced he's actually going to behave in a > way which matches his campaign persona. I'm also not convinced he isn't. > > What scares me is that he is very successfully stirring up the most > extreme parts of our country. He's pushing all the right buttons for the > people who believe this country has slid. Throw out all the Mexicans > because they're all murderous rapists. Kill ISIS. Close our borders. IF > it's an extreme position (on either side), he's pushing those buttons. > And somehow gaining voters because of it (which is even more scary). > > Just him running for president seems to be tearing our country apart. > What the heck is going to happen if he's elected? > > > > > On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 10:20 AM, Jeremy wrote: > >> Mirror image of the KKK?? Wow. I have yet to see guys in black hoods >> dragging white people behind their cars, throwing bricks through their >> windows, burning crosses, and hanging white people from trees. A bit of an >> overstatement don't you think? >> >> On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 10:18 AM, Glen Waldrop >> wrote: >> >>> Wow. >>> >>> Way to gang up guys. >>> >>> I have to agree with Rory here. Black Lives Matter has all but become >>> the mirror image of the KKK. Sure, some of them are doing it for the right >>> reasons, but like environmentalists, feminists and dozens of other –ists >>> the wackos have hijacked what could have been something powerful, something >>> good, and gone *way* over the line. >>> >>> One common thing among those groups are the very vocal fringe left. >>> >>> I’m sitting here in the middle watching both sides go completely apeshit >>> crazy. >>> >>> Can no one sit back and look at the big picture? >>> >>> Are we so divided that logic has completely left the discussion? It >>> certainly seems that way and not just on the list. >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Bill Prince >>> *Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 11:02 AM >>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? >>> >>> You know Rory, as long as it's "conservatives versus liberals" and >>> liberals are the scum of the earth, you're never going to listen to reason. >>> >>> For the most part I F6 your posts because they all seem to go down the >>> same rat hole. You seem to have a chip on your shoulder. >>> >>> bp >>> >>> >>> >>> On 3/12/2016 8:56 AM, Rory Conaway wrote: >>> >>> You know what Ken, let’s do this. >>> >>> >>> >>> You need me to sound racist because your liberal mindset is that >>> everyone is a victim. I probably have a much wider diversity of friends, >>> business partners, and colleagues than you do and never has anyone ever >>> called me racist. Because I abhor racial division and call it out for what >>> it is, an excuse for failure and control by race hustlers, I’m a racist. >>> That’s the pea-brained mentality of the intellectually dishonest. You >>> simply can’t understand that there are those of us who don’t care about >>> race, we simply don’t have time for it in our lives and we don’t see it. >>> However, we can define the problems created by race, race hustlers, and >>> liberals who don’t want to face facts, just blame everyone else for their >>> problems and failures. >>> >>> >>> >>> What I care about is that there is a class of people that are not >>> assimilating into society because nobody wants to face the facts. You >>> would rather stick your head in the sand and call out those of us who see >>> the truth racists. Here is a fact, not having a solid family support >>> system, not following the law, and not working hard is a recipe for >>> failure, regardless of the race. If you don’t want to face that fact, so >>> be it. Stick your head in the sand, blame me and call me names, and stand >>> by while our country falls apart because you don’t have the intellectual >>> honesty to face that fact that the greatest country in the world is falling >>&g
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Monkey with a machine gun. That is what I think of Trump.
And I am white, republican (kinda), Mormon living in Utah.
Doesn’t get any more whitebread than that.
Replace the piano with a cruise missile:
From: Forrest Christian (List Account)
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 10:28 AM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over?
Time for me to weigh in here.
Trump scares me. I'm not convinced he's actually going to behave in a way
which matches his campaign persona. I'm also not convinced he isn't.
What scares me is that he is very successfully stirring up the most extreme
parts of our country. He's pushing all the right buttons for the people who
believe this country has slid. Throw out all the Mexicans because they're all
murderous rapists. Kill ISIS. Close our borders. IF it's an extreme
position (on either side), he's pushing those buttons. And somehow gaining
voters because of it (which is even more scary).
Just him running for president seems to be tearing our country apart. What the
heck is going to happen if he's elected?
On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 10:20 AM, Jeremy wrote:
Mirror image of the KKK?? Wow. I have yet to see guys in black hoods
dragging white people behind their cars, throwing bricks through their windows,
burning crosses, and hanging white people from trees. A bit of an
overstatement don't you think?
On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 10:18 AM, Glen Waldrop wrote:
Wow.
Way to gang up guys.
I have to agree with Rory here. Black Lives Matter has all but become the
mirror image of the KKK. Sure, some of them are doing it for the right reasons,
but like environmentalists, feminists and dozens of other –ists the wackos have
hijacked what could have been something powerful, something good, and gone
*way* over the line.
One common thing among those groups are the very vocal fringe left.
I’m sitting here in the middle watching both sides go completely apeshit
crazy.
Can no one sit back and look at the big picture?
Are we so divided that logic has completely left the discussion? It
certainly seems that way and not just on the list.
From: Bill Prince
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 11:02 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over?
You know Rory, as long as it's "conservatives versus liberals" and liberals
are the scum of the earth, you're never going to listen to reason.
For the most part I F6 your posts because they all seem to go down the same
rat hole. You seem to have a chip on your shoulder.
bp
On 3/12/2016 8:56 AM, Rory Conaway wrote:
You know what Ken, let’s do this.
You need me to sound racist because your liberal mindset is that everyone
is a victim. I probably have a much wider diversity of friends, business
partners, and colleagues than you do and never has anyone ever called me
racist. Because I abhor racial division and call it out for what it is, an
excuse for failure and control by race hustlers, I’m a racist. That’s the
pea-brained mentality of the intellectually dishonest. You simply can’t
understand that there are those of us who don’t care about race, we simply
don’t have time for it in our lives and we don’t see it. However, we can
define the problems created by race, race hustlers, and liberals who don’t want
to face facts, just blame everyone else for their problems and failures.
What I care about is that there is a class of people that are not
assimilating into society because nobody wants to face the facts. You would
rather stick your head in the sand and call out those of us who see the truth
racists. Here is a fact, not having a solid family support system, not
following the law, and not working hard is a recipe for failure, regardless of
the race. If you don’t want to face that fact, so be it. Stick your head in
the sand, blame me and call me names, and stand by while our country falls
apart because you don’t have the intellectual honesty to face that fact that
the greatest country in the world is falling apart from within and from the
outside. Hell yes, I want our borders sealed and immigrants required to learn
our language and honor our heritage. Hell yes I want every child to get a good
education that honors this country, the founders that gave it to us, and the
men and women who died to protect it. And until we recognize that keeping an
entire culture in poverty and ignorance by not expecting them to excel is a bad
thing, then we as a country are doomed to further internal violence, strife,
and separation. I don’t care about the color, I care about the fact that
color is used as an excuse.
The sad part is it’s not just any specific culture, it’s the entire
generation. There isn’t a manufacturer here that doesn’t have engineering
outside this country because they can’t find eno
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Reagan? History would beg to differ. But he was funny guy. On Mar 12, 2016 10:34 AM, "Josh Luthman" wrote: > The last TV star president wasn't bad at all. > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > On Mar 12, 2016 12:28 PM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)" < > li...@packetflux.com> wrote: > >> Time for me to weigh in here. >> >> Trump scares me. I'm not convinced he's actually going to behave in a >> way which matches his campaign persona. I'm also not convinced he isn't. >> >> What scares me is that he is very successfully stirring up the most >> extreme parts of our country. He's pushing all the right buttons for the >> people who believe this country has slid. Throw out all the Mexicans >> because they're all murderous rapists. Kill ISIS. Close our borders. IF >> it's an extreme position (on either side), he's pushing those buttons. >> And somehow gaining voters because of it (which is even more scary). >> >> Just him running for president seems to be tearing our country apart. >> What the heck is going to happen if he's elected? >> >> >> >> >> On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 10:20 AM, Jeremy wrote: >> >>> Mirror image of the KKK?? Wow. I have yet to see guys in black hoods >>> dragging white people behind their cars, throwing bricks through their >>> windows, burning crosses, and hanging white people from trees. A bit of an >>> overstatement don't you think? >>> >>> On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 10:18 AM, Glen Waldrop >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Wow. >>>> >>>> Way to gang up guys. >>>> >>>> I have to agree with Rory here. Black Lives Matter has all but become >>>> the mirror image of the KKK. Sure, some of them are doing it for the right >>>> reasons, but like environmentalists, feminists and dozens of other –ists >>>> the wackos have hijacked what could have been something powerful, something >>>> good, and gone *way* over the line. >>>> >>>> One common thing among those groups are the very vocal fringe left. >>>> >>>> I’m sitting here in the middle watching both sides go completely >>>> apeshit crazy. >>>> >>>> Can no one sit back and look at the big picture? >>>> >>>> Are we so divided that logic has completely left the discussion? It >>>> certainly seems that way and not just on the list. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* Bill Prince >>>> *Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 11:02 AM >>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? >>>> >>>> You know Rory, as long as it's "conservatives versus liberals" and >>>> liberals are the scum of the earth, you're never going to listen to reason. >>>> >>>> For the most part I F6 your posts because they all seem to go down the >>>> same rat hole. You seem to have a chip on your shoulder. >>>> >>>> bp >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 3/12/2016 8:56 AM, Rory Conaway wrote: >>>> >>>> You know what Ken, let’s do this. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> You need me to sound racist because your liberal mindset is that >>>> everyone is a victim. I probably have a much wider diversity of friends, >>>> business partners, and colleagues than you do and never has anyone ever >>>> called me racist. Because I abhor racial division and call it out for what >>>> it is, an excuse for failure and control by race hustlers, I’m a racist. >>>> That’s the pea-brained mentality of the intellectually dishonest. You >>>> simply can’t understand that there are those of us who don’t care about >>>> race, we simply don’t have time for it in our lives and we don’t see it. >>>> However, we can define the problems created by race, race hustlers, and >>>> liberals who don’t want to face facts, just blame everyone else for their >>>> problems and failures. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> What I care about is that there is a class of people that are not >>>> assimilating into society because nobody wants to face the facts. You >>>> would rather stick your head in the sand and call out those of us who see >
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I find it interesting that Rory says I’m a “liberal”, I’m not sure how he defines that or how he would know, other than I disagreed with him on something. Actually I could be described as a Goldwater conservative, I was too young to vote, but literally had an AuH20 sticker on my bike and read every word of Conscience of a Conservative. I grew up during the Eisenhower years. I voted for Reagan and the first Bush. I was 18 in 1968, had a high enough number in the draft I didn’t get sent to Vietnam, but wasn’t a hippie radical. Unlike Bernie Sanders, I didn’t even smoke pot (consumed a lot of alcohol though). The 1968 election season was pretty crazy. I actually supported Reagan in campus rallies, that was his unsuccessful first bid, unfortunately we got Tricky Dick and Spiro Agnew. I remember Richard J. Daley’s thugs cracking heads in the streets outside the Democratic Convention. That had nothing to do with ideology, Daley could care less about Vietnam war protesters, it was about raw political power and no one was going to make him look bad when his party held a convention in his city. Oops, he ended up looking bad anyway. If I’m not a liberal, what other preconceived notions could be wrong? Oh no, maybe I’m black, or Hispanic, or Muslim! Maybe I’m a black Hispanic gay Muslim! Actually, I believe most people are both conservative and progressive. Progress is good, but don’t fix what ain’t broke. From: Glen Waldrop Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 11:18 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? Wow. Way to gang up guys. I have to agree with Rory here. Black Lives Matter has all but become the mirror image of the KKK. Sure, some of them are doing it for the right reasons, but like environmentalists, feminists and dozens of other –ists the wackos have hijacked what could have been something powerful, something good, and gone *way* over the line. One common thing among those groups are the very vocal fringe left. I’m sitting here in the middle watching both sides go completely apeshit crazy. Can no one sit back and look at the big picture? Are we so divided that logic has completely left the discussion? It certainly seems that way and not just on the list. From: Bill Prince Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 11:02 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? You know Rory, as long as it's "conservatives versus liberals" and liberals are the scum of the earth, you're never going to listen to reason. For the most part I F6 your posts because they all seem to go down the same rat hole. You seem to have a chip on your shoulder. bp On 3/12/2016 8:56 AM, Rory Conaway wrote: You know what Ken, let’s do this. You need me to sound racist because your liberal mindset is that everyone is a victim. I probably have a much wider diversity of friends, business partners, and colleagues than you do and never has anyone ever called me racist. Because I abhor racial division and call it out for what it is, an excuse for failure and control by race hustlers, I’m a racist. That’s the pea-brained mentality of the intellectually dishonest. You simply can’t understand that there are those of us who don’t care about race, we simply don’t have time for it in our lives and we don’t see it. However, we can define the problems created by race, race hustlers, and liberals who don’t want to face facts, just blame everyone else for their problems and failures. What I care about is that there is a class of people that are not assimilating into society because nobody wants to face the facts. You would rather stick your head in the sand and call out those of us who see the truth racists. Here is a fact, not having a solid family support system, not following the law, and not working hard is a recipe for failure, regardless of the race. If you don’t want to face that fact, so be it. Stick your head in the sand, blame me and call me names, and stand by while our country falls apart because you don’t have the intellectual honesty to face that fact that the greatest country in the world is falling apart from within and from the outside. Hell yes, I want our borders sealed and immigrants required to learn our language and honor our heritage. Hell yes I want every child to get a good education that honors this country, the founders that gave it to us, and the men and women who died to protect it. And until we recognize that keeping an entire culture in poverty and ignorance by not expecting them to excel is a bad thing, then we as a country are doomed to further internal violence, strife, and separation. I don’t care about the color, I care about the fact that color is used as an excuse. The sad part is it’s not just any specific culture, it’s the entire generation. There isn’t a manufacturer here that doesn’t have engineering outside this country because th
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Yes. That is why I developed a program and partnership with a local school District that has 80% of their students in poverty. We will be providing internet for those students at $10 per month. I believe that we all could do something similar without needing charity or tax dollars. At that same time, internet access has to be coupled with a better education system and better parental support. Rory -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 10:15 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? Clarification: "Do you believe the LACK of broadband can have a negative impact on the economy and political decision making"... Sorry if I wasn't clear. On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 11:13 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote: > I'm going to say something and hopefully take this in a slightly > different direction... > > (A) Do you believe the broadband divide exists? > (B) Do you believe the ability for people to have access to high speed > broadband in their homes, at a reasonable cost, has a negative impact > on the economy and their political decision making? > > Request - No political "slurs", we are all Americans > > On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 11:08 AM, Glen Waldrop wrote: >> Well said. >> >> Both sides are acting moronic right now. It isn’t just the right. >> >> We’re watching our country dissolve. >> >> >> >> From: Faisal Imtiaz >> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 8:32 AM >> To: af@afmug.com >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? >> >> I hope you realize that everyone participating in this discussion is >> an Adult, and a Patriot. Everyone is very much concerned about the >> future of our great nation. The discussion is over the events as they are >> unfolding. >> >> It is very interesting to me, as an independent, that folks on the >> right are so upset, and so polarized in their view that they are >> willing to accept bad behavior from anyone of their affiliated >> party, since that person can do nothing wrong and the other side cannot do >> nothing right... >> >> I fully understand that everyone is passionate, but exchange of views >> in a polite healthy manner is the proper decorum, watching the GOP >> primaries turn into a circus act is embarrassing, because the world >> is watching, and to see folks trying to explain and justify is even more >> troubling. >> >> Bad behavior is bad behavior, it should be called out, and it should >> not bt acceptable at any level from anyone. While the media is fully >> responsible for fueling the fire and covering only the inciting >> stuff watch closely the clips of trouble at the Trump rallies, >> there appears to be an steadily increasing amount of 'supporter >> participation' in this bad behavior >> (when someone is being lead out, by security there are folks hitting >> and throwing punches at the person being lead out).. and Mr Trump >> constantly refuses to condemn such behavior, which indicates approval. >> >> While you can explain it and justify it which ever way you want, some >> of us who have had a broader view of the world, have seen this type >> of behavior and events , in the other parts of the world.. and the >> end results were not very good for anyone As such their is rising >> concern. >> >> The GOP is playing with Fire, one they think they can control >> historically speaking when that particular type of genie is let out >> of the bottle, no one has been able to control it . >> >> >> :) >> >> >> Regards >> >> Faisal Imtiaz >> Snappy Internet & Telecom >> 7266 SW 48 Street >> Miami, FL 33155 >> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 >> >> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net >> >> >> >> From: "Rory Conaway" >> To: af@afmug.com >> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 9:05:42 AM >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? >> >> Jaime, travel to the WWII museum and learn about the sacrifices we >> made as a country to stop men like Hitler. You have so >> mischaracterized what Trump is saying but I’d rather take this >> discussion elsewhere to someplace like Facebook. >> >> >> >> Rory >> >> >> >> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza >> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 6:59 AM >> To: Animal Farm >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT:
Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over?
Funny thing about labels and such...my two friends who call me a liberal and hippy, which I am not, gave up trying to get me to their bible studiesThey would invite and I would ask which bible are we studying? Who is the expert on theology in your group? Can I bring my copy of Asimov's Guide to the Bible and my book of Enoch? They called me a heretic they thew a jabi ducked and counter with a hard left"yes you can call me whatever but I have never cheated on my wife. Present or ex-one i divorced in 1990. Both of you did according to your wives telling mine!" They stopped inviting this anti-abortion, faithful God fearing, non smoker or drug taker, loyal husband, father and grandfather, beer drinking never been a hippie but played on eon TV..dude!!! Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > I find it interesting that Rory says I’m a “liberal”, I’m not sure how he > defines that or how he would know, other than I disagreed with him on > something. > > Actually I could be described as a Goldwater conservative, I was too young > to vote, but literally had an AuH20 sticker on my bike and read every > word of Conscience of a Conservative. I grew up during the Eisenhower > years. I voted for Reagan and the first Bush. I was 18 in 1968, had a > high enough number in the draft I didn’t get sent to Vietnam, but wasn’t a > hippie radical. Unlike Bernie Sanders, I didn’t even smoke pot (consumed a > lot of alcohol though). > > The 1968 election season was pretty crazy. I actually supported Reagan in > campus rallies, that was his unsuccessful first bid, unfortunately we got > Tricky Dick and Spiro Agnew. I remember Richard J. Daley’s thugs cracking > heads in the streets outside the Democratic Convention. That had nothing > to do with ideology, Daley could care less about Vietnam war protesters, it > was about raw political power and no one was going to make him look bad > when his party held a convention in his city. Oops, he ended up looking > bad anyway. > > If I’m not a liberal, what other preconceived notions could be wrong? Oh > no, maybe I’m black, or Hispanic, or Muslim! Maybe I’m a black Hispanic > gay Muslim! > > Actually, I believe most people are both conservative and progressive. > Progress is good, but don’t fix what ain’t broke. > > > *From:* Glen Waldrop > *Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 11:18 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? > > Wow. > > Way to gang up guys. > > I have to agree with Rory here. Black Lives Matter has all but become the > mirror image of the KKK. Sure, some of them are doing it for the right > reasons, but like environmentalists, feminists and dozens of other –ists > the wackos have hijacked what could have been something powerful, something > good, and gone *way* over the line. > > One common thing among those groups are the very vocal fringe left. > > I’m sitting here in the middle watching both sides go completely apeshit > crazy. > > Can no one sit back and look at the big picture? > > Are we so divided that logic has completely left the discussion? It > certainly seems that way and not just on the list. > > > > *From:* Bill Prince > *Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 11:02 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? > > You know Rory, as long as it's "conservatives versus liberals" and > liberals are the scum of the earth, you're never going to listen to reason. > > For the most part I F6 your posts because they all seem to go down the > same rat hole. You seem to have a chip on your shoulder. > > bp > > > > On 3/12/2016 8:56 AM, Rory Conaway wrote: > > You know what Ken, let’s do this. > > > > You need me to sound racist because your liberal mindset is that everyone > is a victim. I probably have a much wider diversity of friends, business > partners, and colleagues than you do and never has anyone ever called me > racist. Because I abhor racial division and call it out for what it is, an > excuse for failure and control by race hustlers, I’m a racist. That’s the > pea-brained mentality of the intellectually dishonest. You simply can’t > understand that there are those of us who don’t care about race, we simply > don’t have time for it in our lives and we don’t see it. However, we can > define the problems created by race, race hustlers, and liberals who don’t > want to face facts, just blame everyone else for their problems and > failures. > > > > What I care about is that there is a class of people that are not > assimilating into society because nobody wants to face the facts. You > wou
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I don't think Internet has helped education of K-12 kids as much as it should. With all this information just a click away, they watch movies, videos or play games.Very few take advantage of it...NPR (opps Liberal Media) had a piece on how poorly we Americans did on troubleshooting and problem solving versus 18 other countries...Finland and Japan ranked highest. one interesting pointwe are poor in mathNo shit Sherlock.really? Science Technology Engineering Math (STEM) should be our mantrawe have more lawyers then engineersstarted way before the Interweb. Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 10:59 AM, Rory Conaway wrote: > Yes. That is why I developed a program and partnership with a local > school District that has 80% of their students in poverty. We will be > providing internet for those students at $10 per month. I believe that we > all could do something similar without needing charity or tax dollars. At > that same time, internet access has to be coupled with a better education > system and better parental support. > > Rory > > -Original Message- > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds > Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 10:15 AM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? > > Clarification: "Do you believe the LACK of broadband can have a negative > impact on the economy and political decision making"... > > Sorry if I wasn't clear. > > On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 11:13 AM, Josh Reynolds > wrote: > > I'm going to say something and hopefully take this in a slightly > > different direction... > > > > (A) Do you believe the broadband divide exists? > > (B) Do you believe the ability for people to have access to high speed > > broadband in their homes, at a reasonable cost, has a negative impact > > on the economy and their political decision making? > > > > Request - No political "slurs", we are all Americans > > > > On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 11:08 AM, Glen Waldrop > wrote: > >> Well said. > >> > >> Both sides are acting moronic right now. It isn’t just the right. > >> > >> We’re watching our country dissolve. > >> > >> > >> > >> From: Faisal Imtiaz > >> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 8:32 AM > >> To: af@afmug.com > >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? > >> > >> I hope you realize that everyone participating in this discussion is > >> an Adult, and a Patriot. Everyone is very much concerned about the > >> future of our great nation. The discussion is over the events as they > are unfolding. > >> > >> It is very interesting to me, as an independent, that folks on the > >> right are so upset, and so polarized in their view that they are > >> willing to accept bad behavior from anyone of their affiliated > >> party, since that person can do nothing wrong and the other side > cannot do nothing right... > >> > >> I fully understand that everyone is passionate, but exchange of views > >> in a polite healthy manner is the proper decorum, watching the GOP > >> primaries turn into a circus act is embarrassing, because the world > >> is watching, and to see folks trying to explain and justify is even > more troubling. > >> > >> Bad behavior is bad behavior, it should be called out, and it should > >> not bt acceptable at any level from anyone. While the media is fully > >> responsible for fueling the fire and covering only the inciting > >> stuff watch closely the clips of trouble at the Trump rallies, > >> there appears to be an steadily increasing amount of 'supporter > participation' in this bad behavior > >> (when someone is being lead out, by security there are folks hitting > >> and throwing punches at the person being lead out).. and Mr Trump > >> constantly refuses to condemn such behavior, which indicates approval. > >> > >> While you can explain it and justify it which ever way you want, some > >> of us who have had a broader view of the world, have seen this type > >> of behavior and events , in the other parts of the world.. and the > >> end results were not very good for anyone As such their is rising > concern. > >> > >> The GOP is playing with Fire, one they think they can control.... > >> historically speaking when that particular type of genie is let out > >> of the bottle, no one has been able to control it . > >> > >> > >
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I was wondering if that was a Freudian slip... lol
- Original Message -
From: Lewis Bergman
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 7:34 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over?
Damn auto correct. Should be who's fault is it? IMHO Trump's speech has
encouraged some of this and idiots on both sides take it the rest of the way.
He seems to be trying to tone things down a bit lately.
I would hope most don't think we are in the same situation now as in 1968.
Not that there aren't similarities, just that it would seem to me that there
are major differences, especially concerning the morality of the other side in
the conflict.
On Sat, Mar 12, 2016, 7:29 AM Jaime Solorza wrote:
Interesting question Lewis.back then it was the Vietnam War...
On Mar 12, 2016 5:11 AM, "Lewis Bergman" wrote:
So, in your opinion, white fault is it?
On Fri, Mar 11, 2016, 11:11 PM Chuck McCown wrote:
No thanks.
From: Ken Hohhof
Sent: Friday, March 11, 2016 9:53 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over?
Make America 1968 Again
From: Jaime Solorza
Sent: Friday, March 11, 2016 10:40 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over?
Yep
On Mar 11, 2016 9:33 PM, "Chuck McCown" wrote:
But in 68 the violence was outside the venue...
From: Jaime Solorza
Sent: Friday, March 11, 2016 8:33 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over?
Trump rally cancelled ...some skirmishes...The Whole World is
Watching
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◾Homicides have dropped 13 percent, but gun sales have surged. ◾The economy has added more than 9 million jobs, and the jobless rate has dropped to below the historical median. However, 94,000,000 people are not in the work force, over 33%, the highest in history. The majority of jobs created are also lower income or part time. ◾The number of long-term unemployed Americans has dropped by 614,000 under Obama, but it is still 761,000 higher than at the start of the Great Recession. ◾Corporate profits are up 166 percent; real weekly wages are up 3.4 percent. There are fewer corporations and the number of businesses closing are greater than the number of new businesses being filed. ◾There are 15 million fewer people who lack health insurance. The rest of the country has seen a huge increase in medical costs, especially the middle class. ◾Wind and solar power have nearly tripled, and now account for more than 5 percent of U.S. electricity. ◾The federal debt has more than doubled — rising 116 percent — and big annual deficits have continued. - Over 50% of the people in this country make less then $30,000 per year. - Household median has fallen to a 20 year low, almost 10% from a peak of $56,000 to $52,000. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 10:16 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? Ok, show us how it has backslid http://www.factcheck.org/2016/01/obamas-numbers-january-2016-update/ On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 10:14 AM, Rory Conaway mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote: I’m more than willing to listen to reason when it’s based on facts, period. I can back up with facts provided by the U.S. Government that proves our country has backslid over the last 7 years on almost every front. Please show me facts that dispute that statement. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf Of Bill Prince Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 10:02 AM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? You know Rory, as long as it's "conservatives versus liberals" and liberals are the scum of the earth, you're never going to listen to reason. For the most part I F6 your posts because they all seem to go down the same rat hole. You seem to have a chip on your shoulder. bp On 3/12/2016 8:56 AM, Rory Conaway wrote: You know what Ken, let’s do this. You need me to sound racist because your liberal mindset is that everyone is a victim. I probably have a much wider diversity of friends, business partners, and colleagues than you do and never has anyone ever called me racist. Because I abhor racial division and call it out for what it is, an excuse for failure and control by race hustlers, I’m a racist. That’s the pea-brained mentality of the intellectually dishonest. You simply can’t understand that there are those of us who don’t care about race, we simply don’t have time for it in our lives and we don’t see it. However, we can define the problems created by race, race hustlers, and liberals who don’t want to face facts, just blame everyone else for their problems and failures. What I care about is that there is a class of people that are not assimilating into society because nobody wants to face the facts. You would rather stick your head in the sand and call out those of us who see the truth racists. Here is a fact, not having a solid family support system, not following the law, and not working hard is a recipe for failure, regardless of the race. If you don’t want to face that fact, so be it. Stick your head in the sand, blame me and call me names, and stand by while our country falls apart because you don’t have the intellectual honesty to face that fact that the greatest country in the world is falling apart from within and from the outside. Hell yes, I want our borders sealed and immigrants required to learn our language and honor our heritage. Hell yes I want every child to get a good education that honors this country, the founders that gave it to us, and the men and women who died to protect it. And until we recognize that keeping an entire culture in poverty and ignorance by not expecting them to excel is a bad thing, then we as a country are doomed to further internal violence, strife, and separation. I don’t care about the color, I care about the fact that color is used as an excuse. The sad part is it’s not just any specific culture, it’s the entire generation. There isn’t a manufacturer here that doesn’t have engineering outside this country because they can’t find enough engineering talent within our own borders because our culture and education failed an entire generation. And as for Obama, his policies have escalated this problem, including unemployment, a poor economy, lower standards of living, hatred of police and authorit
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The whole republican clown car has turned their so-called debates toxic,
and so it seems the rest of the country feels the need to follow along.
So far, I have not heard much of anything from any of the remaining
candidates that is something that I would base a vote on. Pretty much a
bunch of 3rd grade, vacuous statements.
Fairly pathetic in my estimation.
bp
On 3/12/2016 5:34 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
Damn auto correct. Should be who's fault is it? IMHO Trump's speech
has encouraged some of this and idiots on both sides take it the rest
of the way.
He seems to be trying to tone things down a bit lately.
I would hope most don't think we are in the same situation now as in
1968. Not that there aren't similarities, just that it would seem to
me that there are major differences, especially concerning the
morality of the other side in the conflict.
On Sat, Mar 12, 2016, 7:29 AM Jaime Solorza <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Interesting question Lewis.back then it was the Vietnam War...
On Mar 12, 2016 5:11 AM, "Lewis Bergman" mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com>> wrote:
So, in your opinion, white fault is it?
On Fri, Mar 11, 2016, 11:11 PM Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
No thanks.
*From:* Ken Hohhof <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>
*Sent:* Friday, March 11, 2016 9:53 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over?
Make America 1968 Again
*From:* Jaime Solorza <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Friday, March 11, 2016 10:40 PM
*To:* Animal Farm <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over?
Yep
On Mar 11, 2016 9:33 PM, "Chuck McCown" mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
But in 68 the violence was outside the venue...
*From:* Jaime Solorza <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Friday, March 11, 2016 8:33 PM
*To:* Animal Farm <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over?
Trump rally cancelled ...some skirmishes...The Whole
World is Watching
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Faisal, I was thinking of you when the debates took place in Miami. Your
hometown.
I was watching some coverage last night late as I saw facebook comments on how
differently the events
were being covered by MSNBC and Fox News (of course i had to check CNN too,
they were re-airing debates)
That being said, "gossip" on facebook commented that it was very likely
moveon.org who is funded by donations
(i suppose a superpac in a way) most likely paid the organized protestors to
derail the rally. Even the media (well,
fox news) commented on how they all seemed to show up at approximately the same
time and when interviewed
on camera about what they were protesting - - they claimed they didn't want to
discuss on national tv.
gossip understood this to mean "we don't know why we're here, we were just paid
to come here and protest"
also understand anything i read i take with a grain of salt - - it's the
internet - it's mostly gossip. but there is a
possibility it can be true. especially when i read one or two articles on how
"protesters" were actually paid to show
up in fergeson and change the national view on what happened.
google can be your friend.
have a nice day everyonesee you in KY? :)
- Original Message -
From: Rory Conaway
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 8:51 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over?
Faisal, I’m ready to continue our other discussion. BTW, Black Lives Matter
showed up to the Chicago rally and now there is looting and gun fire. I really
doubt the Trump supporters are doing that.
Rory
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 7:32 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over?
I hope you realize that everyone participating in this discussion is an
Adult, and a Patriot. Everyone is very much concerned about the future of our
great nation. The discussion is over the events as they are unfolding.
It is very interesting to me, as an independent, that folks on the right are
so upset, and so polarized in their view that they are willing to accept bad
behavior from anyone of their affiliated party, since that person can do
nothing wrong and the other side cannot do nothing right...
I fully understand that everyone is passionate, but exchange of views in a
polite healthy manner is the proper decorum, watching the GOP primaries turn
into a circus act is embarrassing, because the world is watching, and to see
folks trying to explain and justify is even more troubling.
Bad behavior is bad behavior, it should be called out, and it should not bt
acceptable at any level from anyone. While the media is fully responsible for
fueling the fire and covering only the inciting stuff watch closely the
clips of trouble at the Trump rallies, there appears to be an steadily
increasing amount of 'supporter participation' in this bad behavior (when
someone is being lead out, by security there are folks hitting and throwing
punches at the person being lead out).. and Mr Trump constantly refuses to
condemn such behavior, which indicates approval.
While you can explain it and justify it which ever way you want, some of us
who have had a broader view of the world, have seen this type of behavior and
events , in the other parts of the world.. and the end results were not very
good for anyone As such their is rising concern.
The GOP is playing with Fire, one they think they can control
historically speaking when that particular type of genie is let out of the
bottle, no one has been able to control it .
:)
Regards
Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
--
From: "Rory Conaway"
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 9:05:42 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over?
Jaime, travel to the WWII museum and learn about the sacrifices we made as
a country to stop men like Hitler. You have so mischaracterized what Trump is
saying but I’d rather take this discussion elsewhere to someplace like
Facebook.
Rory
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 6:59 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over?
Fault? Its human natureyou push me and I push back...most fights
start that way...literally and figuratively... Trump doesn't deny he has asked
him audience to beat the crap of those "bad dudes"...let's go back to old
dayswhat civil rights
Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over?
Ken - I truly feel there are certainly issues with our country, and a lot of it
is economic related, which seems to be the #1 topic of complaint with voters
(until the next terrorist attack happens, then it will be national security for
another month)
Not defending trump, but just speaking logic. Most of the voters feel he is
the best man to get the economy running again.
I think (hah) that "Trumps" all other possible issues with him.
I will feel better about the whole thing if Ben Carson works with him and Chris
Christie works with him
- Original Message -
From: Ken Hohhof
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 9:38 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over?
It is not sarcasm. I believe Rory’s posts have a long history of abandoning
all logic and facts when black people are involved. And like the things Trumps
says, if no one speaks up and says that is prejudiced, people can go on
believing everyone agrees with them and they are not prejudiced.
And by the way, I think America is still pretty great, and I don’t know why
it is OK to bash our country now. Sure, we have a black President and gays are
out of the closet - that means we have to “take our country back” and “make
America great again”? We don’t need to set the clocks back 50 years to be a
great country. If you are ashamed of your country, maybe something is wrong
with you.
From: Lewis Bergman
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 9:24 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over?
I think that is unfair, unless it is sarcasm which you seem to be great at,
so I concur.
On Sat, Mar 12, 2016, 9:16 AM Ken Hohhof wrote:
Black people really seem to set you off.
From: Rory Conaway
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 8:51 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over?
Faisal, I’m ready to continue our other discussion. BTW, Black Lives
Matter showed up to the Chicago rally and now there is looting and gun fire. I
really doubt the Trump supporters are doing that.
Rory
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 7:32 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over?
I hope you realize that everyone participating in this discussion is an
Adult, and a Patriot. Everyone is very much concerned about the future of our
great nation. The discussion is over the events as they are unfolding.
It is very interesting to me, as an independent, that folks on the right
are so upset, and so polarized in their view that they are willing to accept
bad behavior from anyone of their affiliated party, since that person can do
nothing wrong and the other side cannot do nothing right...
I fully understand that everyone is passionate, but exchange of views in a
polite healthy manner is the proper decorum, watching the GOP primaries turn
into a circus act is embarrassing, because the world is watching, and to see
folks trying to explain and justify is even more troubling.
Bad behavior is bad behavior, it should be called out, and it should not bt
acceptable at any level from anyone. While the media is fully responsible for
fueling the fire and covering only the inciting stuff watch closely the
clips of trouble at the Trump rallies, there appears to be an steadily
increasing amount of 'supporter participation' in this bad behavior (when
someone is being lead out, by security there are folks hitting and throwing
punches at the person being lead out).. and Mr Trump constantly refuses to
condemn such behavior, which indicates approval.
While you can explain it and justify it which ever way you want, some of us
who have had a broader view of the world, have seen this type of behavior and
events , in the other parts of the world.. and the end results were not very
good for anyone As such their is rising concern.
The GOP is playing with Fire, one they think they can control
historically speaking when that particular type of genie is let out of the
bottle, no one has been able to control it .
:)
Regards
Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
From: "Rory Conaway"
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 9:05:42 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over?
Jaime, travel to the WWII museum and learn about the sacrifices we made
as a country to stop men like Hitler. You have so mischaracterized what Trump
is saying but I’d rather take this discussion elsewhere to someplace like
Facebook.
Rory
From: A
Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over?
I have to go but I will come back to your facts and we will look at them more closely. Hasta luego! Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Rory Conaway wrote: > ◾Homicides have dropped 13 percent, but gun sales have surged. > > ◾The economy has added more than 9 million jobs, and the jobless rate has > dropped to below the historical median. However, 94,000,000 people are not > in the work force, over 33%, the highest in history. The majority of jobs > created are also lower income or part time. > > ◾The number of long-term unemployed Americans has dropped by 614,000 > under Obama, but it is still 761,000 higher than at the start of the Great > Recession. > > ◾Corporate profits are up 166 percent; real weekly wages are up 3.4 > percent. There are fewer corporations and the number of businesses closing > are greater than the number of new businesses being filed. > > ◾There are 15 million fewer people who lack health insurance. The rest > of the country has seen a huge increase in medical costs, especially the > middle class. > > ◾Wind and solar power have nearly tripled, and now account for more than > 5 percent of U.S. electricity. > > ◾The federal debt has more than doubled — rising 116 percent — and big > annual deficits have continued. > > > > - Over 50% of the people in this country make less then $30,000 > per year. > > - Household median has fallen to a 20 year low, almost 10% from > a peak of $56,000 to $52,000. > > > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeremy > *Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 10:16 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? > > > > Ok, show us how it has backslid > http://www.factcheck.org/2016/01/obamas-numbers-january-2016-update/ > > > > On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 10:14 AM, Rory Conaway > wrote: > > I’m more than willing to listen to reason when it’s based on facts, > period. I can back up with facts provided by the U.S. Government that > proves our country has backslid over the last 7 years on almost every > front. Please show me facts that dispute that statement. > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince > *Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 10:02 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? > > > > You know Rory, as long as it's "conservatives versus liberals" and > liberals are the scum of the earth, you're never going to listen to reason. > > For the most part I F6 your posts because they all seem to go down the > same rat hole. You seem to have a chip on your shoulder. > > bp > > > > > > On 3/12/2016 8:56 AM, Rory Conaway wrote: > > You know what Ken, let’s do this. > > > > You need me to sound racist because your liberal mindset is that everyone > is a victim. I probably have a much wider diversity of friends, business > partners, and colleagues than you do and never has anyone ever called me > racist. Because I abhor racial division and call it out for what it is, an > excuse for failure and control by race hustlers, I’m a racist. That’s the > pea-brained mentality of the intellectually dishonest. You simply can’t > understand that there are those of us who don’t care about race, we simply > don’t have time for it in our lives and we don’t see it. However, we can > define the problems created by race, race hustlers, and liberals who don’t > want to face facts, just blame everyone else for their problems and > failures. > > > > What I care about is that there is a class of people that are not > assimilating into society because nobody wants to face the facts. You > would rather stick your head in the sand and call out those of us who see > the truth racists. Here is a fact, not having a solid family support > system, not following the law, and not working hard is a recipe for > failure, regardless of the race. If you don’t want to face that fact, so > be it. Stick your head in the sand, blame me and call me names, and stand > by while our country falls apart because you don’t have the intellectual > honesty to face that fact that the greatest country in the world is falling > apart from within and from the outside. Hell yes, I want our borders > sealed and immigrants required to learn our language and honor our > heritage. Hell yes I want every child to get a good education that honors > this country, the founders that gave it to us, and the men and women who > died to protect it. And until we recognize that keeping an entire culture > in poverty and ignorance by not expecting them
Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over?
great series! true points. - Original Message - From: Josh Reynolds To: af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 10:19 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q49NOyJ8fNA On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 10:16 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote: > Maybe your right, but it is funny that it is OK for Michelle Obama to say > that the first time she was proud of our country is when her husband was > elected. Goes both ways I guess. > I actually think the real problem, excluding we voters that put them there, > is congress, and both parties. Anyway, racism is a pretty hefty accusation, > but if you can back it up... > I believe you are right though, America has been great as long as I can > remember, not perfect, but the closest thing yet. > > On Sat, Mar 12, 2016, 9:38 AM Ken Hohhof wrote: >> >> It is not sarcasm. I believe Rory’s posts have a long history of >> abandoning all logic and facts when black people are involved. And like the >> things Trumps says, if no one speaks up and says that is prejudiced, people >> can go on believing everyone agrees with them and they are not prejudiced. >> >> And by the way, I think America is still pretty great, and I don’t know >> why it is OK to bash our country now. Sure, we have a black President and >> gays are out of the closet - that means we have to “take our country back” >> and “make America great again”? We don’t need to set the clocks back 50 >> years to be a great country. If you are ashamed of your country, maybe >> something is wrong with you. >> >> >> From: Lewis Bergman >> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 9:24 AM >> To: af@afmug.com >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? >> I think that is unfair, unless it is sarcasm which you seem to be great >> at, so I concur. >> >> On Sat, Mar 12, 2016, 9:16 AM Ken Hohhof wrote: >>> >>> Black people really seem to set you off. >>> >>> From: Rory Conaway >>> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 8:51 AM >>> To: af@afmug.com >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? >>> >>> >>> Faisal, I’m ready to continue our other discussion. BTW, Black Lives >>> Matter showed up to the Chicago rally and now there is looting and gun fire. >>> I really doubt the Trump supporters are doing that. >>> >>> >>> >>> Rory >>> >>> >>> >>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz >>> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 7:32 AM >>> >>> >>> To: af@afmug.com >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? >>> >>> >>> >>> I hope you realize that everyone participating in this discussion is an >>> Adult, and a Patriot. Everyone is very much concerned about the future of >>> our great nation. The discussion is over the events as they are unfolding. >>> >>> >>> >>> It is very interesting to me, as an independent, that folks on the right >>> are so upset, and so polarized in their view that they are willing to >>> accept bad behavior from anyone of their affiliated party, since that >>> person can do nothing wrong and the other side cannot do nothing right... >>> >>> >>> >>> I fully understand that everyone is passionate, but exchange of views in >>> a polite healthy manner is the proper decorum, watching the GOP primaries >>> turn into a circus act is embarrassing, because the world is watching, and >>> to see folks trying to explain and justify is even more troubling. >>> >>> >>> >>> Bad behavior is bad behavior, it should be called out, and it should not >>> bt acceptable at any level from anyone. While the media is fully responsible >>> for fueling the fire and covering only the inciting stuff watch closely >>> the clips of trouble at the Trump rallies, there appears to be an steadily >>> increasing amount of 'supporter participation' in this bad behavior >>> (when someone is being lead out, by security there are folks hitting and >>> throwing punches at the person being lead out).. and Mr Trump constantly >>> refuses to condemn such behavior, which indicates approval. >>> >>> >>> >>> While you can explain it and justify it which ever way you want,
Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over?
The sad part about it is Obama is just the president, he is not the entire country. Congress is a large part of it too. Corporations and stockholders are a large part of it. I completely understand where they're coming from. I have stock in several companies too and I appreciate a little return on investment from time to time.Publically traded corporations want to rig the system to pay the least amount of taxes, raise the payscale of their management, and return the highest volume of profit so their stock price soars. And why not? If I own the stock, I want the price to soar. Sure, Bernie wants to have a "tax on wall street speculation" (what is that exactly?). But stock markets are global. Companies are global. It's a much much bigger puzzle than just one man. The sad part is it’s not just any specific culture, it’s the entire generation. There isn’t a manufacturer here that doesn’t have engineering outside this country because they can’t find enough engineering talent within our own borders because our culture and education failed an entire generation. And as for Obama, his policies have escalated this problem, including unemployment, a poor economy, lower standards of living, hatred of police and authority, and racial division and escalation. So if you are big supporter of him, congratulations, you picked a real winner there. You want the truth, that’s it. So bring it on Ken. I’ll back my conclusions with the facts from the Census bureau, the FBI, the U.S Department of the Interior, the U.S. Bureau of Labor, and the Bureau of Economic Analysis but those facts won’t matter will they? Rory
Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over?
I appreciate hearing comments and arguments from both sides, actually.
- Original Message -
From: Bill Prince
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 11:02 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over?
You know Rory, as long as it's "conservatives versus liberals" and liberals
are the scum of the earth, you're never going to listen to reason.
For the most part I F6 your posts because they all seem to go down the same
rat hole. You seem to have a chip on your shoulder.
bp
On 3/12/2016 8:56 AM, Rory Conaway wrote:
You know what Ken, let’s do this.
You need me to sound racist because your liberal mindset is that everyone
is a victim. I probably have a much wider diversity of friends, business
partners, and colleagues than you do and never has anyone ever called me
racist. Because I abhor racial division and call it out for what it is, an
excuse for failure and control by race hustlers, I’m a racist. That’s the
pea-brained mentality of the intellectually dishonest. You simply can’t
understand that there are those of us who don’t care about race, we simply
don’t have time for it in our lives and we don’t see it. However, we can
define the problems created by race, race hustlers, and liberals who don’t want
to face facts, just blame everyone else for their problems and failures.
What I care about is that there is a class of people that are not
assimilating into society because nobody wants to face the facts. You would
rather stick your head in the sand and call out those of us who see the truth
racists. Here is a fact, not having a solid family support system, not
following the law, and not working hard is a recipe for failure, regardless of
the race. If you don’t want to face that fact, so be it. Stick your head in
the sand, blame me and call me names, and stand by while our country falls
apart because you don’t have the intellectual honesty to face that fact that
the greatest country in the world is falling apart from within and from the
outside. Hell yes, I want our borders sealed and immigrants required to learn
our language and honor our heritage. Hell yes I want every child to get a good
education that honors this country, the founders that gave it to us, and the
men and women who died to protect it. And until we recognize that keeping an
entire culture in poverty and ignorance by not expecting them to excel is a bad
thing, then we as a country are doomed to further internal violence, strife,
and separation. I don’t care about the color, I care about the fact that
color is used as an excuse.
The sad part is it’s not just any specific culture, it’s the entire
generation. There isn’t a manufacturer here that doesn’t have engineering
outside this country because they can’t find enough engineering talent within
our own borders because our culture and education failed an entire generation.
And as for Obama, his policies have escalated this problem, including
unemployment, a poor economy, lower standards of living, hatred of police and
authority, and racial division and escalation. So if you are big supporter of
him, congratulations, you picked a real winner there. You want the truth,
that’s it. So bring it on Ken. I’ll back my conclusions with the facts from
the Census bureau, the FBI, the U.S Department of the Interior, the U.S. Bureau
of Labor, and the Bureau of Economic Analysis but those facts won’t matter will
they?
Rory
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 9:25 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over?
Yes, I think your statements sound racist, and finally I call your out for
it. Why is that over the line? You have made some pretty inflammatory
statements, but it seems you can’t take any criticism?
We have a WISPA conference coming up. One thing I always notice is we are
not a very diverse crowd. Almost all white men. That leads to the belief that
prejudice is OK because everyone here thinks that way too.
From: Rory Conaway
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 10:14 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over?
That’s out of line Ken, at any level. What matters to me is that the
violence fostered by ignorant people in our society who don’t contribute, but
foster racial hatred and disdain for the Constitution, the Laws of this
country, and want special treatment. I don’t give a crap what color they are
but they keep bringing it up. Black Lives Matter, Black Caucuses, etc… The
rest of us just want everyone to be Americans but it’s liberals that won’t let
race go because they need it to stay in power.
You want to attack me for my beliefs Ken, that’s fine. You want to call me
a racist, what I really want to tell you will get me banned. I’m done with
this and Ke
Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over?
Are we a service driven economy now? - Original Message - From: Josh Reynolds To: af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 11:15 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? Clarification: "Do you believe the LACK of broadband can have a negative impact on the economy and political decision making"... Sorry if I wasn't clear. On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 11:13 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote: > I'm going to say something and hopefully take this in a slightly > different direction... > > (A) Do you believe the broadband divide exists? > (B) Do you believe the ability for people to have access to high speed > broadband in their homes, at a reasonable cost, has a negative impact > on the economy and their political decision making? > > Request - No political "slurs", we are all Americans > > On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 11:08 AM, Glen Waldrop wrote: >> Well said. >> >> Both sides are acting moronic right now. It isn’t just the right. >> >> We’re watching our country dissolve. >> >> >> >> From: Faisal Imtiaz >> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 8:32 AM >> To: af@afmug.com >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? >> >> I hope you realize that everyone participating in this discussion is an >> Adult, and a Patriot. Everyone is very much concerned about the future of >> our great nation. The discussion is over the events as they are unfolding. >> >> It is very interesting to me, as an independent, that folks on the right are >> so upset, and so polarized in their view that they are willing to accept >> bad behavior from anyone of their affiliated party, since that person can >> do nothing wrong and the other side cannot do nothing right... >> >> I fully understand that everyone is passionate, but exchange of views in a >> polite healthy manner is the proper decorum, watching the GOP primaries turn >> into a circus act is embarrassing, because the world is watching, and to >> see folks trying to explain and justify is even more troubling. >> >> Bad behavior is bad behavior, it should be called out, and it should not bt >> acceptable at any level from anyone. While the media is fully responsible >> for fueling the fire and covering only the inciting stuff watch closely >> the clips of trouble at the Trump rallies, there appears to be an steadily >> increasing amount of 'supporter participation' in this bad behavior >> (when someone is being lead out, by security there are folks hitting and >> throwing punches at the person being lead out).. and Mr Trump constantly >> refuses to condemn such behavior, which indicates approval. >> >> While you can explain it and justify it which ever way you want, some of us >> who have had a broader view of the world, have seen this type of behavior >> and events , in the other parts of the world.. and the end results were not >> very good for anyone As such their is rising concern. >> >> The GOP is playing with Fire, one they think they can control >> historically speaking when that particular type of genie is let out of the >> bottle, no one has been able to control it . >> >> >> :) >> >> >> Regards >> >> Faisal Imtiaz >> Snappy Internet & Telecom >> 7266 SW 48 Street >> Miami, FL 33155 >> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 >> >> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net >> >> >> >> From: "Rory Conaway" >> To: af@afmug.com >> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 9:05:42 AM >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? >> >> Jaime, travel to the WWII museum and learn about the sacrifices we made as a >> country to stop men like Hitler. You have so mischaracterized what Trump is >> saying but I’d rather take this discussion elsewhere to someplace like >> Facebook. >> >> >> >> Rory >> >> >> >> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza >> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 6:59 AM >> To: Animal Farm >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? >> >> >> >> Fault? Its human natureyou push me and I push back...most fights start >> that way...literally and figuratively... Trump doesn't deny he has asked him >> audience to beat the crap of those "bad dudes"...let's go back to old >> dayswhat civil rights riots? Wallace? Lynching? He is playing to the >> older white man who fears foreigners are taking over the US. Xenophobia was >> one of Hitler and others methods used to create a fervor and led to murder >> of millions. i have a different perspective on things from my ancestors and >> upbringing plus traveling. Travel outside USA and your eyes open a bit >> more.I normally stay quiet on politics but not this time.too much at >> stake...Trump will not win. >> >>
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Homicides have dropped 13 percent, but gun sales have surged. - yes, but then there is Chicago. I bet homicides haven't dropped by 13% there The economy has added more than 9 million jobs, and the jobless rate has dropped to below the historical median. - yes, but if you call working two part time jobs a joband then there is the group referred to as under-employed. The number of long-term unemployed Americans has dropped by 614,000 under Obama, but it is still 761,000 higher than at the start of the Great Recession. - - The Great Recession, another fav topic of mine. The economy wasn't all that bad from 2001 until 2008 now was it so why does the left love blaming the whole thing on bush? Along the same line of comment, does anyone really think the economy has done "well" for the last seven years? Yes, it has come a long way now, but without another comparision (exclusing reagan after carter), do we really know how different it could have been under romney or mccain? Corporate profits are up 166 percent; real weekly wages are up 3.4 percent...Corporate profits are up 166 percent - well, i don't even need to say anything here , do i? Why aren't they returning some of that money to the workforce? Simple - see my earlier post on stock market pricing. There are 15 million fewer people who lack health insuranceand probably 45 million who can't pay for it thanks to the new premiums Wind and solar power have nearly tripled, and now account for more than 5 percent of U.S. electricity..no complaints here. The federal debt has more than doubled — rising 116 percent — and big annual deficits have continued.this is a good thing? - Original Message - From: Jeremy To: af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 11:16 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? Ok, show us how it has backslid http://www.factcheck.org/2016/01/obamas-numbers-january-2016-update/ On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 10:14 AM, Rory Conaway wrote: I’m more than willing to listen to reason when it’s based on facts, period. I can back up with facts provided by the U.S. Government that proves our country has backslid over the last 7 years on almost every front. Please show me facts that dispute that statement. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 10:02 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? You know Rory, as long as it's "conservatives versus liberals" and liberals are the scum of the earth, you're never going to listen to reason. For the most part I F6 your posts because they all seem to go down the same rat hole. You seem to have a chip on your shoulder. bp On 3/12/2016 8:56 AM, Rory Conaway wrote: You know what Ken, let’s do this. You need me to sound racist because your liberal mindset is that everyone is a victim. I probably have a much wider diversity of friends, business partners, and colleagues than you do and never has anyone ever called me racist. Because I abhor racial division and call it out for what it is, an excuse for failure and control by race hustlers, I’m a racist. That’s the pea-brained mentality of the intellectually dishonest. You simply can’t understand that there are those of us who don’t care about race, we simply don’t have time for it in our lives and we don’t see it. However, we can define the problems created by race, race hustlers, and liberals who don’t want to face facts, just blame everyone else for their problems and failures. What I care about is that there is a class of people that are not assimilating into society because nobody wants to face the facts. You would rather stick your head in the sand and call out those of us who see the truth racists. Here is a fact, not having a solid family support system, not following the law, and not working hard is a recipe for failure, regardless of the race. If you don’t want to face that fact, so be it. Stick your head in the sand, blame me and call me names, and stand by while our country falls apart because you don’t have the intellectual honesty to face that fact that the greatest country in the world is falling apart from within and from the outside. Hell yes, I want our borders sealed and immigrants required to learn our language and honor our heritage. Hell yes I want every child to get a good education that honors this country, the founders that gave it to us, and the men and women who died to protect it. And until we recognize that keeping an entire culture in poverty and ignorance by not expecting them to excel is a bad thing, then we as a country are doomed to further internal violence, strife, and separation. I don’t care about the color, I care about
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define big picture. i think if you ask 100 people who follow
politicsyou'll get 100 different answers.
- Original Message -
From: Glen Waldrop
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 11:18 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over?
Wow.
Way to gang up guys.
I have to agree with Rory here. Black Lives Matter has all but become the
mirror image of the KKK. Sure, some of them are doing it for the right reasons,
but like environmentalists, feminists and dozens of other –ists the wackos have
hijacked what could have been something powerful, something good, and gone
*way* over the line.
One common thing among those groups are the very vocal fringe left.
I’m sitting here in the middle watching both sides go completely apeshit
crazy.
Can no one sit back and look at the big picture?
Are we so divided that logic has completely left the discussion? It certainly
seems that way and not just on the list.
From: Bill Prince
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 11:02 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over?
You know Rory, as long as it's "conservatives versus liberals" and liberals
are the scum of the earth, you're never going to listen to reason.
For the most part I F6 your posts because they all seem to go down the same
rat hole. You seem to have a chip on your shoulder.
bp
On 3/12/2016 8:56 AM, Rory Conaway wrote:
You know what Ken, let’s do this.
You need me to sound racist because your liberal mindset is that everyone
is a victim. I probably have a much wider diversity of friends, business
partners, and colleagues than you do and never has anyone ever called me
racist. Because I abhor racial division and call it out for what it is, an
excuse for failure and control by race hustlers, I’m a racist. That’s the
pea-brained mentality of the intellectually dishonest. You simply can’t
understand that there are those of us who don’t care about race, we simply
don’t have time for it in our lives and we don’t see it. However, we can
define the problems created by race, race hustlers, and liberals who don’t want
to face facts, just blame everyone else for their problems and failures.
What I care about is that there is a class of people that are not
assimilating into society because nobody wants to face the facts. You would
rather stick your head in the sand and call out those of us who see the truth
racists. Here is a fact, not having a solid family support system, not
following the law, and not working hard is a recipe for failure, regardless of
the race. If you don’t want to face that fact, so be it. Stick your head in
the sand, blame me and call me names, and stand by while our country falls
apart because you don’t have the intellectual honesty to face that fact that
the greatest country in the world is falling apart from within and from the
outside. Hell yes, I want our borders sealed and immigrants required to learn
our language and honor our heritage. Hell yes I want every child to get a good
education that honors this country, the founders that gave it to us, and the
men and women who died to protect it. And until we recognize that keeping an
entire culture in poverty and ignorance by not expecting them to excel is a bad
thing, then we as a country are doomed to further internal violence, strife,
and separation. I don’t care about the color, I care about the fact that
color is used as an excuse.
The sad part is it’s not just any specific culture, it’s the entire
generation. There isn’t a manufacturer here that doesn’t have engineering
outside this country because they can’t find enough engineering talent within
our own borders because our culture and education failed an entire generation.
And as for Obama, his policies have escalated this problem, including
unemployment, a poor economy, lower standards of living, hatred of police and
authority, and racial division and escalation. So if you are big supporter of
him, congratulations, you picked a real winner there. You want the truth,
that’s it. So bring it on Ken. I’ll back my conclusions with the facts from
the Census bureau, the FBI, the U.S Department of the Interior, the U.S. Bureau
of Labor, and the Bureau of Economic Analysis but those facts won’t matter will
they?
Rory
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 9:25 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over?
Yes, I think your statements sound racist, and finally I call your out for
it. Why is that over the line? You have made some pretty inflammatory
statements, but it seems you can’t take any criticism?
We have a WISPA conference coming up. One thing I always notice is we are
not a very diverse crowd. Almost all white men. That leads to t
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Jaime.I'm in rural Alabama. You know this. My city has probably 5 blacks that live here. (and don't get me wrong, I work with a black man on a regular basis and he's one of the hardest workers i have - i have absolutely no issues with him). That being said, racism here was totally generational when I was growing up. If you were old, you had some racism still in your blood. No one my age or younger cared - it never came up - and we just looked at old people funny and understood. For some reason, now, it is not really like that anymore. What changed? - Original Message - From: Jaime Solorza To: Animal Farm Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 11:27 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? Hold up partner...first let's agree that we can disagree and still have a beer together.Our founding fathers were men just like you and me...sinners and not perfect while the intent of Constitution said one thing...the reality was way different for the Native Americans and African Americans. Entire nations wiped out or moved to reservationsvisit some in your beautiful state of Arizona...I am sure they will be happy to hear your speech..or go to Cabrini Green in Chicago... oh wait...it's gone...go to parts of the south and east and talk to them about the constitution.Learn the language... yes that ln makes sense...on same token...look at most folks in Europe and Asia..and more now in Middle East...they speak several languagesrespect our heritage? Don't think so Bubba...how quickly you forget signs in restaurants and hotels ..No Dogs, Negroes or Mexicans Allowed. Jim Crow era, KKK era, voting and gerrymandered ploys to keep Republicans in office even when population didn't reflect it, second rate education and facilities for minorities..sending minorities in greater numbers compared to whites to 'NAM...why do you think the hippies came up in 60s? If you say drugs you are wrong...why protest of convention in Chicago? And it was the Democratic Convention not Republican. So I don't know what great heritage you are talking about. I think it's great that folks keep in touch with their cultureAmerica is Not the Borg we can't all be blue eyed blonde folks. That would be too Twilight Zone stop listening to talk shows and Fox TV...try something novel...reading a history book..but not one printed in Texasajuuaaa On Mar 12, 2016 9:56 AM, "Rory Conaway" wrote: You know what Ken, let’s do this. You need me to sound racist because your liberal mindset is that everyone is a victim. I probably have a much wider diversity of friends, business partners, and colleagues than you do and never has anyone ever called me racist. Because I abhor racial division and call it out for what it is, an excuse for failure and control by race hustlers, I’m a racist. That’s the pea-brained mentality of the intellectually dishonest. You simply can’t understand that there are those of us who don’t care about race, we simply don’t have time for it in our lives and we don’t see it. However, we can define the problems created by race, race hustlers, and liberals who don’t want to face facts, just blame everyone else for their problems and failures. What I care about is that there is a class of people that are not assimilating into society because nobody wants to face the facts. You would rather stick your head in the sand and call out those of us who see the truth racists. Here is a fact, not having a solid family support system, not following the law, and not working hard is a recipe for failure, regardless of the race. If you don’t want to face that fact, so be it. Stick your head in the sand, blame me and call me names, and stand by while our country falls apart because you don’t have the intellectual honesty to face that fact that the greatest country in the world is falling apart from within and from the outside. Hell yes, I want our borders sealed and immigrants required to learn our language and honor our heritage. Hell yes I want every child to get a good education that honors this country, the founders that gave it to us, and the men and women who died to protect it. And until we recognize that keeping an entire culture in poverty and ignorance by not expecting them to excel is a bad thing, then we as a country are doomed to further internal violence, strife, and separation. I don’t care about the color, I care about the fact that color is used as an excuse. The sad part is it’s not just any specific culture, it’s the entire generation. There isn’t a manufacturer here that doesn’t have engineering outside this country because they can’t find enough engineering talent within our own borders because our culture and education failed an entire generation. And as for Obama, his policies have escal
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I think you are racist against older white dudes you and your anecdotal evidence. On Sat, Mar 12, 2016, 10:59 AM Chuck McCown wrote: > Screw farm work. God Bless Farmers and Ranchers. I hate farm work. > > I grew up in Oregon –dry land wheat and cattle. Relatives had fruit. > Hispanics were absolutely – ABSOLUTELY -necessary to get the fruit > harvested. Still are. > > In technology jobs, I have fired more Whites than Hispanics for drug > abuse. Probably by a factor of 10:1 > My experience is that Hispanics are harder workers and more trustworthy > than any other group at the lower pay scales. I hate hiring white folks at > the entry levels unless then are under 21 years old. If they are 35 and > applying for entry level there must be drugs involved. > > I cannot remember ever having a Hispanic steal from me. 100% white dudes > and as I recall 100% drug use involved. > > > *From:* Jaime Solorza > *Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 9:47 AM > *To:* Animal Farm > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? > funny thing Kenwhen I spoke at a conference for ElectroComm with Matt > Larsen and Marlon Schaefer some guy came up to me after talk and asked what > I thought about illegal immigration and how I had obtain a permit to travel > in US. I chuckled and asked where he was from...Nebraska...I told him to > me it was a simple case of supply and demand just like drugs. If American > companies and farmers didn't hire them, they wouldn't be here. Many > natives do not want to work in the sun and do hard work for little pay or > in fact for decent pay. Ask Chuck about working on a farm or others on > this listthat is back breaking work and if you own the farm the pay is > really low. When Border Patrol made some big raids a few years back and > deported hundreds of illegals, some farmers and growers tried to hire US > born workers and many quit by noon. Crops and fruits went bad. Millions > of dollars in produce lost. So like drugs, if there is a demand, someone > will supply.Trump uses illegals in his hotels and resorts around US. > He speaks with fork tongue. > I remember one of you posted you would hire Hispanic work force because > they are good workers.I found that that interesting..I fired an entire > Hispanic crew because they started abusing cocaine and pawning equipment. > The only loyal employee was a Mexican tower guy that I used on cross border > shots up and down Texas border. He could not work in US so after we > finished the job, I closed the company. I could pretend to be naive and > say my guys followed the white man's ways.but I am blessed I don;t > think that way. > My ex-wife is a Perry, ugh, yes part of that Perry group, so my kids are > Chingos...(half Chicano-half Gringo)..huhthe cognus scenti will > appreciate one.One of my granddaughters, Julianna Juana Gandara Solorza > is a real mixture..Irish, British,Spanish, Mexican and Native > Americanoh wait she is an AMERICAN > > Jaime Solorza > Wireless Systems Architect > 915-861-1390 > > On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 9:24 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > >> Yes, I think your statements sound racist, and finally I call your out >> for it. Why is that over the line? You have made some pretty inflammatory >> statements, but it seems you can’t take any criticism? >> >> We have a WISPA conference coming up. One thing I always notice is we >> are not a very diverse crowd. Almost all white men. That leads to the >> belief that prejudice is OK because everyone here thinks that way too. >> >> >> *From:* Rory Conaway >> *Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 10:14 AM >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? >> >> >> That’s out of line Ken, at any level. What matters to me is that the >> violence fostered by ignorant people in our society who don’t contribute, >> but foster racial hatred and disdain for the Constitution, the Laws of this >> country, and want special treatment. I don’t give a crap what color they >> are but they keep bringing it up. Black Lives Matter, Black Caucuses, etc… >> The rest of us just want everyone to be Americans but it’s liberals that >> won’t let race go because they need it to stay in power. >> >> >> >> You want to attack me for my beliefs Ken, that’s fine. You want to call >> me a racist, what I really want to tell you will get me banned. I’m done >> with this and Ken, please don’t ever speak to me again. You went too far. >> >> >> >> Rory >> >> >> >> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof >> *Se
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hah - took care of that for you sir. LOL as did Rory and we both posted entirely different criticisms - Original Message - From: Jaime Solorza To: Animal Farm Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 12:29 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? I have to go but I will come back to your facts and we will look at them more closely. Hasta luego! Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Rory Conaway wrote: ◾Homicides have dropped 13 percent, but gun sales have surged. ◾The economy has added more than 9 million jobs, and the jobless rate has dropped to below the historical median. However, 94,000,000 people are not in the work force, over 33%, the highest in history. The majority of jobs created are also lower income or part time. ◾The number of long-term unemployed Americans has dropped by 614,000 under Obama, but it is still 761,000 higher than at the start of the Great Recession. ◾Corporate profits are up 166 percent; real weekly wages are up 3.4 percent. There are fewer corporations and the number of businesses closing are greater than the number of new businesses being filed. ◾There are 15 million fewer people who lack health insurance. The rest of the country has seen a huge increase in medical costs, especially the middle class. ◾Wind and solar power have nearly tripled, and now account for more than 5 percent of U.S. electricity. ◾The federal debt has more than doubled — rising 116 percent — and big annual deficits have continued. - Over 50% of the people in this country make less then $30,000 per year. - Household median has fallen to a 20 year low, almost 10% from a peak of $56,000 to $52,000. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 10:16 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? Ok, show us how it has backslid http://www.factcheck.org/2016/01/obamas-numbers-january-2016-update/ On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 10:14 AM, Rory Conaway wrote: I’m more than willing to listen to reason when it’s based on facts, period. I can back up with facts provided by the U.S. Government that proves our country has backslid over the last 7 years on almost every front. Please show me facts that dispute that statement. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 10:02 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? You know Rory, as long as it's "conservatives versus liberals" and liberals are the scum of the earth, you're never going to listen to reason. For the most part I F6 your posts because they all seem to go down the same rat hole. You seem to have a chip on your shoulder. bp On 3/12/2016 8:56 AM, Rory Conaway wrote: You know what Ken, let’s do this. You need me to sound racist because your liberal mindset is that everyone is a victim. I probably have a much wider diversity of friends, business partners, and colleagues than you do and never has anyone ever called me racist. Because I abhor racial division and call it out for what it is, an excuse for failure and control by race hustlers, I’m a racist. That’s the pea-brained mentality of the intellectually dishonest. You simply can’t understand that there are those of us who don’t care about race, we simply don’t have time for it in our lives and we don’t see it. However, we can define the problems created by race, race hustlers, and liberals who don’t want to face facts, just blame everyone else for their problems and failures. What I care about is that there is a class of people that are not assimilating into society because nobody wants to face the facts. You would rather stick your head in the sand and call out those of us who see the truth racists. Here is a fact, not having a solid family support system, not following the law, and not working hard is a recipe for failure, regardless of the race. If you don’t want to face that fact, so be it. Stick your head in the sand, blame me and call me names, and stand by while our country falls apart because you don’t have the intellectual honesty to face that fact that the greatest country in the world is falling apart from within and from the outside. Hell yes, I want our borders sealed and immigrants required to learn our language and honor our heritage. Hell yes I want every child to get a good education that honors this country, the founders that gave it to us, and the men and women who died to protect it. And until we recognize that keeping an entire culture in poverty and ignorance by not expecting them to excel is a bad thing, then we as a country are doomed to further internal violence, strife, and separation. I
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I think consumerism has done a *lot* of damage to this country, and other countries are stronger for it. Extreme capitalism mixed with globalization aiming at an economy with an abundance of expendable income compared to other countries... bad mix. We're very much like the Roman empire toward it's fall, we just don't call the other armies "barbarians" so much anymore. (Well, sometimes...) On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 12:53 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote: > > hah - took care of that for you sir. LOL > as did Rory > and we both posted entirely different criticisms > > - Original Message - > From: Jaime Solorza > To: Animal Farm > Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 12:29 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? > > I have to go but I will come back to your facts and we will look at them > more closely. Hasta luego! > > Jaime Solorza > Wireless Systems Architect > 915-861-1390 > > On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Rory Conaway > wrote: >> >> ◾Homicides have dropped 13 percent, but gun sales have surged. >> >> ◾The economy has added more than 9 million jobs, and the jobless rate has >> dropped to below the historical median. However, 94,000,000 people are not >> in the work force, over 33%, the highest in history. The majority of jobs >> created are also lower income or part time. >> >> ◾The number of long-term unemployed Americans has dropped by 614,000 under >> Obama, but it is still 761,000 higher than at the start of the Great >> Recession. >> >> ◾Corporate profits are up 166 percent; real weekly wages are up 3.4 >> percent. There are fewer corporations and the number of businesses closing >> are greater than the number of new businesses being filed. >> >> ◾There are 15 million fewer people who lack health insurance. The rest of >> the country has seen a huge increase in medical costs, especially the middle >> class. >> >> ◾Wind and solar power have nearly tripled, and now account for more than 5 >> percent of U.S. electricity. >> >> ◾The federal debt has more than doubled — rising 116 percent — and big >> annual deficits have continued. >> >> >> >> - Over 50% of the people in this country make less then $30,000 >> per year. >> >> - Household median has fallen to a 20 year low, almost 10% from a >> peak of $56,000 to $52,000. >> >> >> >> >> >> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy >> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 10:16 AM >> To: af@afmug.com >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? >> >> >> >> Ok, show us how it has backslid >> http://www.factcheck.org/2016/01/obamas-numbers-january-2016-update/ >> >> >> >> On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 10:14 AM, Rory Conaway >> wrote: >> >> I’m more than willing to listen to reason when it’s based on facts, >> period. I can back up with facts provided by the U.S. Government that >> proves our country has backslid over the last 7 years on almost every front. >> Please show me facts that dispute that statement. >> >> >> >> Rory >> >> >> >> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince >> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 10:02 AM >> To: af@afmug.com >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? >> >> >> >> You know Rory, as long as it's "conservatives versus liberals" and >> liberals are the scum of the earth, you're never going to listen to reason. >> >> For the most part I F6 your posts because they all seem to go down the >> same rat hole. You seem to have a chip on your shoulder. >> >> bp >> >> >> >> >> >> On 3/12/2016 8:56 AM, Rory Conaway wrote: >> >> You know what Ken, let’s do this. >> >> >> >> You need me to sound racist because your liberal mindset is that everyone >> is a victim. I probably have a much wider diversity of friends, business >> partners, and colleagues than you do and never has anyone ever called me >> racist. Because I abhor racial division and call it out for what it is, an >> excuse for failure and control by race hustlers, I’m a racist. That’s the >> pea-brained mentality of the intellectually dishonest. You simply can’t >> understand that there are those of us who don’t care about race, we simply >> don’t have time for it in our lives and we don’t see it. However, we can >> define the problems created by race, race hustlers, and liberals who don’t >> want to face facts
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◾Homicides have dropped 13 percent, but gun sales have surged. *(OK, so homicides have dropped. I bought a new AR15)* ◾The economy has added more than 9 million jobs, and the jobless rate has dropped to below the historical median. However, 94,000,000 people are not in the work force, over 33%, the highest in history. The majority of jobs created are also lower income or part time. *(We have added 9 million jobs. The fact that is that we started this presidency in a recession. We are still recovering)* ◾The number of long-term unemployed Americans has dropped by 614,000 under Obama, but it is still 761,000 higher than at the start of the Great Recession. *(So there are less unemployed since Obama took office - that is not a backslide. Nobody expected one man to fix everything, but this is still an improvement since he took office.)* ◾Corporate profits are up 166 percent; real weekly wages are up 3.4 percent. *(This is an improvement since he took office. No backslide here.)* There are fewer corporations and the number of businesses closing are greater than the number of new businesses being filed. *(http://www.motherjones.com/files/images/big-bank-theory-chart-large.jpg <http://www.motherjones.com/files/images/big-bank-theory-chart-large.jpg>)* ◾There are 15 million fewer people who lack health insurance. The rest of the country has seen a huge increase in medical costs, especially the middle class. *(My Insurance is better than it ever was before Obamacare. The premiums are less, and we now have maternity coverage. In my state you could not get maternity coverage without a group plan.)* ◾Wind and solar power have nearly tripled, and now account for more than 5 percent of U.S. electricity. *(Is there a negative here??)* ◾The federal debt has more than doubled — rising 116 percent — and big annual deficits have continued. * (I'll give you this one. The wars overseas that this administration inherited account for most of this spending though.)* - Over 50% of the people in this country make less then $30,000 per year. - Household median has fallen to a 20 year low, almost 10% from a peak of $56,000 to $52,000. *(These last two address the issues of income inequality that Democrats keep talking about. Are you a fellow Bernie supporter?)* Most of the facts on that page are positive. Sure, you can find some negatives. You can't really pinpoint any of that solely on this administration though. On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Rory Conaway wrote: > ◾Homicides have dropped 13 percent, but gun sales have surged. > > ◾The economy has added more than 9 million jobs, and the jobless rate has > dropped to below the historical median. However, 94,000,000 people are not > in the work force, over 33%, the highest in history. The majority of jobs > created are also lower income or part time. > > ◾The number of long-term unemployed Americans has dropped by 614,000 > under Obama, but it is still 761,000 higher than at the start of the Great > Recession. > > ◾Corporate profits are up 166 percent; real weekly wages are up 3.4 > percent. There are fewer corporations and the number of businesses closing > are greater than the number of new businesses being filed. > > ◾There are 15 million fewer people who lack health insurance. The rest > of the country has seen a huge increase in medical costs, especially the > middle class. > > ◾Wind and solar power have nearly tripled, and now account for more than > 5 percent of U.S. electricity. > > ◾The federal debt has more than doubled — rising 116 percent — and big > annual deficits have continued. > > > > - Over 50% of the people in this country make less then $30,000 > per year. > > - Household median has fallen to a 20 year low, almost 10% from > a peak of $56,000 to $52,000. > > > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeremy > *Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 10:16 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? > > > > Ok, show us how it has backslid > http://www.factcheck.org/2016/01/obamas-numbers-january-2016-update/ > > > > On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 10:14 AM, Rory Conaway > wrote: > > I’m more than willing to listen to reason when it’s based on facts, > period. I can back up with facts provided by the U.S. Government that > proves our country has backslid over the last 7 years on almost every > front. Please show me facts that dispute that statement. > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince > *Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 10:02 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? > > > > You know Rory, as long as it's "conservatives
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Big picture being humanity, our world as a whole. Left vs Right has overridden any and all logic in most debates (arguments really) and left the real world behind. Example, gun control. We still live in the same world as our great great grandparents. There are still critters out there that can and will kill a man. Guns aren’t evil, but apparently a portion of the world thinks that guns exist solely for murder. I say that they make a much more humane way for us to kill a hog/deer/etc so we can put meat away. We still kill rattlesnakes here quite often. I killed a copperhead a few months back. I’m glad my neighbor always carries. He’s killed two between my house and the neighbor’s. There are kids all over the place out here. Logically, guns are tools. From: CBB - Jay Fuller Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 12:47 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? define big picture. i think if you ask 100 people who follow politicsyou'll get 100 different answers. - Original Message - From: Glen Waldrop To: af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 11:18 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? Wow. Way to gang up guys. I have to agree with Rory here. Black Lives Matter has all but become the mirror image of the KKK. Sure, some of them are doing it for the right reasons, but like environmentalists, feminists and dozens of other –ists the wackos have hijacked what could have been something powerful, something good, and gone *way* over the line. One common thing among those groups are the very vocal fringe left. I’m sitting here in the middle watching both sides go completely apeshit crazy. Can no one sit back and look at the big picture? Are we so divided that logic has completely left the discussion? It certainly seems that way and not just on the list. From: Bill Prince Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 11:02 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? You know Rory, as long as it's "conservatives versus liberals" and liberals are the scum of the earth, you're never going to listen to reason. For the most part I F6 your posts because they all seem to go down the same rat hole. You seem to have a chip on your shoulder. bp On 3/12/2016 8:56 AM, Rory Conaway wrote: You know what Ken, let’s do this. You need me to sound racist because your liberal mindset is that everyone is a victim. I probably have a much wider diversity of friends, business partners, and colleagues than you do and never has anyone ever called me racist. Because I abhor racial division and call it out for what it is, an excuse for failure and control by race hustlers, I’m a racist. That’s the pea-brained mentality of the intellectually dishonest. You simply can’t understand that there are those of us who don’t care about race, we simply don’t have time for it in our lives and we don’t see it. However, we can define the problems created by race, race hustlers, and liberals who don’t want to face facts, just blame everyone else for their problems and failures. What I care about is that there is a class of people that are not assimilating into society because nobody wants to face the facts. You would rather stick your head in the sand and call out those of us who see the truth racists. Here is a fact, not having a solid family support system, not following the law, and not working hard is a recipe for failure, regardless of the race. If you don’t want to face that fact, so be it. Stick your head in the sand, blame me and call me names, and stand by while our country falls apart because you don’t have the intellectual honesty to face that fact that the greatest country in the world is falling apart from within and from the outside. Hell yes, I want our borders sealed and immigrants required to learn our language and honor our heritage. Hell yes I want every child to get a good education that honors this country, the founders that gave it to us, and the men and women who died to protect it. And until we recognize that keeping an entire culture in poverty and ignorance by not expecting them to excel is a bad thing, then we as a country are doomed to further internal violence, strife, and separation. I don’t care about the color, I care about the fact that color is used as an excuse. The sad part is it’s not just any specific culture, it’s the entire generation. There isn’t a manufacturer here that doesn’t have engineering outside this country because they can’t find enough engineering talent within our own borders because our culture and education failed an entire generation. And as for Obama, his policies have escalated this problem, including unemployment, a poor economy, lower standards of living, hatred of police and authority, and racial division and escalation. So if you are big supporter
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For contrast, I’m in rural Alabama as well. It is a 50/50 split here. We get along fine. It is funny how I keep hearing about how racist we are in the south from a bunch of people that have less than 10% non-whites living in their home towns. From: CBB - Jay Fuller Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 12:50 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? Jaime.I'm in rural Alabama. You know this. My city has probably 5 blacks that live here. (and don't get me wrong, I work with a black man on a regular basis and he's one of the hardest workers i have - i have absolutely no issues with him). That being said, racism here was totally generational when I was growing up. If you were old, you had some racism still in your blood. No one my age or younger cared - it never came up - and we just looked at old people funny and understood. For some reason, now, it is not really like that anymore. What changed? - Original Message - From: Jaime Solorza To: Animal Farm Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 11:27 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? Hold up partner...first let's agree that we can disagree and still have a beer together.Our founding fathers were men just like you and me...sinners and not perfect while the intent of Constitution said one thing...the reality was way different for the Native Americans and African Americans. Entire nations wiped out or moved to reservationsvisit some in your beautiful state of Arizona...I am sure they will be happy to hear your speech..or go to Cabrini Green in Chicago... oh wait...it's gone...go to parts of the south and east and talk to them about the constitution.Learn the language... yes that ln makes sense...on same token...look at most folks in Europe and Asia..and more now in Middle East...they speak several languagesrespect our heritage? Don't think so Bubba...how quickly you forget signs in restaurants and hotels ..No Dogs, Negroes or Mexicans Allowed. Jim Crow era, KKK era, voting and gerrymandered ploys to keep Republicans in office even when population didn't reflect it, second rate education and facilities for minorities..sending minorities in greater numbers compared to whites to 'NAM...why do you think the hippies came up in 60s? If you say drugs you are wrong...why protest of convention in Chicago? And it was the Democratic Convention not Republican. So I don't know what great heritage you are talking about. I think it's great that folks keep in touch with their cultureAmerica is Not the Borg we can't all be blue eyed blonde folks. That would be too Twilight Zone stop listening to talk shows and Fox TV...try something novel...reading a history book..but not one printed in Texasajuuaaa On Mar 12, 2016 9:56 AM, "Rory Conaway" wrote: You know what Ken, let’s do this. You need me to sound racist because your liberal mindset is that everyone is a victim. I probably have a much wider diversity of friends, business partners, and colleagues than you do and never has anyone ever called me racist. Because I abhor racial division and call it out for what it is, an excuse for failure and control by race hustlers, I’m a racist. That’s the pea-brained mentality of the intellectually dishonest. You simply can’t understand that there are those of us who don’t care about race, we simply don’t have time for it in our lives and we don’t see it. However, we can define the problems created by race, race hustlers, and liberals who don’t want to face facts, just blame everyone else for their problems and failures. What I care about is that there is a class of people that are not assimilating into society because nobody wants to face the facts. You would rather stick your head in the sand and call out those of us who see the truth racists. Here is a fact, not having a solid family support system, not following the law, and not working hard is a recipe for failure, regardless of the race. If you don’t want to face that fact, so be it. Stick your head in the sand, blame me and call me names, and stand by while our country falls apart because you don’t have the intellectual honesty to face that fact that the greatest country in the world is falling apart from within and from the outside. Hell yes, I want our borders sealed and immigrants required to learn our language and honor our heritage. Hell yes I want every child to get a good education that honors this country, the founders that gave it to us, and the men and women who died to protect it. And until we recognize that keeping an entire culture in poverty and ignorance by not expecting them to excel is a bad thing, then we as a country are doomed to further internal violence, strife, and separation. I don’t care about the color, I care about the fact that col
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And how many of us actually know how to play the banjo?
Glen Waldrop wrote:
For contrast, I’m in rural Alabama as well. It is a 50/50 split here.
We get along fine.
It is funny how I keep hearing about how racist we are in the south
from a bunch of people that have less than 10% non-whites living in
their home towns.
*From:* CBB - Jay Fuller <mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>
*Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 12:50 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over?
Jaime.I'm in rural Alabama. You know this. My city has probably
5 blacks that live here. (and don't get me wrong, I work with a black
man on a regular basis and he's one of the hardest workers i have - i
have absolutely no issues with him). That being said, racism here
was totally generational when I was growing up. If you were old, you
had some racism still in your blood. No one my age or younger cared -
it never came up - and we just looked at old people funny and understood.
For some reason, now, it is not really like that anymore.
What changed?
- Original Message -
*From:* Jaime Solorza <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
*To:* Animal Farm <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 11:27 AM
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over?
Hold up partner...first let's agree that we can disagree and still
have a beer together.Our founding fathers were men just like
you and me...sinners and not perfect while the intent of
Constitution said one thing...the reality was way different for
the Native Americans and African Americans. Entire nations wiped
out or moved to reservationsvisit some in your beautiful state
of Arizona...I am sure they will be happy to hear your speech..or
go to Cabrini Green in Chicago... oh wait...it's gone...go to
parts of the south and east and talk to them about the
constitution.Learn the language... yes that ln makes
sense...on same token...look at most folks in Europe and Asia..and
more now in Middle East...they speak several languagesrespect
our heritage? Don't think so Bubba...how quickly you forget
signs in restaurants and hotels
..No Dogs, Negroes or Mexicans Allowed. Jim Crow era, KKK era,
voting and gerrymandered ploys to keep Republicans in office even
when population didn't reflect it, second rate education and
facilities for minorities..sending minorities in greater numbers
compared to whites to 'NAM...why do you think the hippies came up
in 60s? If you say drugs you are wrong...why protest of
convention in Chicago? And it was the Democratic Convention not
Republican. So I don't know what great heritage you are talking
about. I think it's great that folks keep in touch with their
cultureAmerica is Not the Borg we can't all be blue eyed
blonde folks. That would be too Twilight Zone stop listening
to talk shows and Fox TV...try something novel...reading a history
book..but not one printed in Texasajuuaaa
On Mar 12, 2016 9:56 AM, "Rory Conaway" mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:
You know what Ken, let’s do this.
You need me to sound racist because your liberal mindset is
that everyone is a victim. I probably have a much wider
diversity of friends, business partners, and colleagues than
you do and never has anyone ever called me racist. Because I
abhor racial division and call it out for what it is, an
excuse for failure and control by race hustlers, I’m a
racist. That’s the pea-brained mentality of the
intellectually dishonest. You simply can’t understand that
there are those of us who don’t care about race, we simply
don’t have time for it in our lives and we don’t see it.
However, we can define the problems created by race, race
hustlers, and liberals who don’t want to face facts, just
blame everyone else for their problems and failures.
What I care about is that there is a class of people that are
not assimilating into society because nobody wants to face the
facts. You would rather stick your head in the sand and call
out those of us who see the truth racists. Here is a fact,
not having a solid family support system, not following the
law, and not working hard is a recipe for failure, regardless
of the race. If you don’t want to face that fact, so be it.
Stick your head in the sand, blame me and call me names, and
stand by while our country falls apart because you don’t have
the intellectual honesty to face that fact that the greatest
country in the world is falling apart from within and from the
outside. Hell yes, I want our bo
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I don't know...wish I did...we as Americans must stand together or fall...if the nations that whooped Custer and his troops had stuck together history would be very different. My black belt in Kenpo Karate was awarded to me by Cliff Magic Thomas in 77...i started teaching at his schools part time from 85 to 88...he was a dinner guest at my houselots of folks from neighborhood would come over and talk to him except for one neighbor who called police on us. Told police we were doing drugs...ha...Cliff was a 5 time PKA world champion. We didn't even have beer!!! Mr. Ivey didn't like Mexicans but hated African Americans. He was like 200 years old. His wife was nice...our neighborhood was mixed until 1990s. All the white neighbors moved out...my first house neighborhood still diverse except for no whites but three families. Oh well. Other than Mr. Ivey no issues with race. Now El Paso did have issues just like most of Texas but Fort Bliss changed allot of that. We are a very diverse town...a few years back Socorro High School baseball team took state championship... when they played in east Texas...the kids from those schools called them all kinds of racists remarks..oh well...btw..Alabama is first place I ate at Waffle Houselove their coffee and breakfast too bad none in El Pasolike Reagan said once...how small will our differences be when we get invaded from outer spaceI paraphrased it On Mar 12, 2016 6:00 PM, "Jay Weekley" wrote: > And how many of us actually know how to play the banjo? > > Glen Waldrop wrote: > >> For contrast, I’m in rural Alabama as well. It is a 50/50 split here. >> We get along fine. >> >> It is funny how I keep hearing about how racist we are in the south from >> a bunch of people that have less than 10% non-whites living in their home >> towns. >> *From:* CBB - Jay Fuller <mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net> >> *Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 12:50 PM >> *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? >> Jaime.I'm in rural Alabama. You know this. My city has probably 5 >> blacks that live here. (and don't get me wrong, I work with a black man on >> a regular basis and he's one of the hardest workers i have - i have >> absolutely no issues with him). That being said, racism here was totally >> generational when I was growing up. If you were old, you had some racism >> still in your blood. No one my age or younger cared - it never came up - >> and we just looked at old people funny and understood. >> For some reason, now, it is not really like that anymore. >> What changed? >> >> - Original Message - >> *From:* Jaime Solorza <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com> >> *To:* Animal Farm <mailto:af@afmug.com> >> *Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 11:27 AM >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? >> >> Hold up partner...first let's agree that we can disagree and still >> have a beer together.Our founding fathers were men just like >> you and me...sinners and not perfect while the intent of >> Constitution said one thing...the reality was way different for >> the Native Americans and African Americans. Entire nations wiped >> out or moved to reservationsvisit some in your beautiful state >> of Arizona...I am sure they will be happy to hear your speech..or >> go to Cabrini Green in Chicago... oh wait...it's gone...go to >> parts of the south and east and talk to them about the >> constitution.Learn the language... yes that ln makes >> sense...on same token...look at most folks in Europe and Asia..and >> more now in Middle East...they speak several languagesrespect >> our heritage? Don't think so Bubba...how quickly you forget >> signs in restaurants and hotels >> ..No Dogs, Negroes or Mexicans Allowed. Jim Crow era, KKK era, >> voting and gerrymandered ploys to keep Republicans in office even >> when population didn't reflect it, second rate education and >> facilities for minorities..sending minorities in greater numbers >> compared to whites to 'NAM...why do you think the hippies came up >> in 60s? If you say drugs you are wrong...why protest of >> convention in Chicago? And it was the Democratic Convention not >> Republican. So I don't know what great heritage you are talking >> about. I think it's great that folks keep in touch with their >> cultureAmerica is Not the Borg we can't all be blue eyed >> blonde folks. T
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Interesting speech by President Eisenhower in 1957: http://iipdigital.usembassy.gov/st/english/texttrans/2007/06/20070626154822lnkais0.6946985.html#axzz42kE970Oh From: Jaime Solorza Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 7:49 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? I don't know...wish I did...we as Americans must stand together or fall...if the nations that whooped Custer and his troops had stuck together history would be very different. My black belt in Kenpo Karate was awarded to me by Cliff Magic Thomas in 77...i started teaching at his schools part time from 85 to 88...he was a dinner guest at my houselots of folks from neighborhood would come over and talk to him except for one neighbor who called police on us. Told police we were doing drugs...ha...Cliff was a 5 time PKA world champion. We didn't even have beer!!! Mr. Ivey didn't like Mexicans but hated African Americans. He was like 200 years old. His wife was nice...our neighborhood was mixed until 1990s. All the white neighbors moved out...my first house neighborhood still diverse except for no whites but three families. Oh well. Other than Mr. Ivey no issues with race. Now El Paso did have issues just like most of Texas but Fort Bliss changed allot of that. We are a very diverse town...a few years back Socorro High School baseball team took state championship... when they played in east Texas...the kids from those schools called them all kinds of racists remarks..oh well...btw..Alabama is first place I ate at Waffle Houselove their coffee and breakfast too bad none in El Pasolike Reagan said once...how small will our differences be when we get invaded from outer spaceI paraphrased it On Mar 12, 2016 6:00 PM, "Jay Weekley" wrote: And how many of us actually know how to play the banjo? Glen Waldrop wrote: For contrast, I’m in rural Alabama as well. It is a 50/50 split here. We get along fine. It is funny how I keep hearing about how racist we are in the south from a bunch of people that have less than 10% non-whites living in their home towns. *From:* CBB - Jay Fuller <mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net> *Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 12:50 PM *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? Jaime.I'm in rural Alabama. You know this. My city has probably 5 blacks that live here. (and don't get me wrong, I work with a black man on a regular basis and he's one of the hardest workers i have - i have absolutely no issues with him). That being said, racism here was totally generational when I was growing up. If you were old, you had some racism still in your blood. No one my age or younger cared - it never came up - and we just looked at old people funny and understood. For some reason, now, it is not really like that anymore. What changed? - Original Message - *From:* Jaime Solorza <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com> *To:* Animal Farm <mailto:af@afmug.com> *Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 11:27 AM *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? Hold up partner...first let's agree that we can disagree and still have a beer together.Our founding fathers were men just like you and me...sinners and not perfect while the intent of Constitution said one thing...the reality was way different for the Native Americans and African Americans. Entire nations wiped out or moved to reservationsvisit some in your beautiful state of Arizona...I am sure they will be happy to hear your speech..or go to Cabrini Green in Chicago... oh wait...it's gone...go to parts of the south and east and talk to them about the constitution.Learn the language... yes that ln makes sense...on same token...look at most folks in Europe and Asia..and more now in Middle East...they speak several languagesrespect our heritage? Don't think so Bubba...how quickly you forget signs in restaurants and hotels ..No Dogs, Negroes or Mexicans Allowed. Jim Crow era, KKK era, voting and gerrymandered ploys to keep Republicans in office even when population didn't reflect it, second rate education and facilities for minorities..sending minorities in greater numbers compared to whites to 'NAM...why do you think the hippies came up in 60s? If you say drugs you are wrong...why protest of convention in Chicago? And it was the Democratic Convention not Republican. So I don't know what great heritage you are talking about. I think it's great that folks keep in touch with their cultureAmerica is Not the Borg we can't all be blue eyed blonde fol
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Too bad people don't read or know history. On Mar 12, 2016 7:08 PM, "Ken Hohhof" wrote: > Interesting speech by President Eisenhower in 1957: > > http://iipdigital.usembassy.gov/st/english/texttrans/2007/06/20070626154822lnkais0.6946985.html#axzz42kE970Oh > > > *From:* Jaime Solorza > *Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 7:49 PM > *To:* Animal Farm > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? > > > I don't know...wish I did...we as Americans must stand together or > fall...if the nations that whooped Custer and his troops had stuck together > history would be very different. My black belt in Kenpo Karate was > awarded to me by Cliff Magic Thomas in 77...i started teaching at his > schools part time from 85 to 88...he was a dinner guest at my > houselots of folks from neighborhood would come over and talk to him > except for one neighbor who called police on us. Told police we were > doing drugs...ha...Cliff was a 5 time PKA world champion. We didn't even > have beer!!! Mr. Ivey didn't like Mexicans but hated African Americans. > He was like 200 years old. His wife was nice...our neighborhood was mixed > until 1990s. All the white neighbors moved out...my first house > neighborhood still diverse except for no whites but three families. Oh > well. Other than Mr. Ivey no issues with race. Now El Paso did have > issues just like most of Texas but Fort Bliss changed allot of that. We > are a very diverse town...a few years back Socorro High School baseball > team took state championship... when they played in east Texas...the kids > from those schools called them all kinds of racists remarks..oh > well...btw..Alabama is first place I ate at Waffle Houselove their > coffee and breakfast too bad none in El Pasolike Reagan said > once...how small will our differences be when we get invaded from outer > spaceI paraphrased it > On Mar 12, 2016 6:00 PM, "Jay Weekley" wrote: > >> And how many of us actually know how to play the banjo? >> >> Glen Waldrop wrote: >> >>> For contrast, I’m in rural Alabama as well. It is a 50/50 split here. >>> We get along fine. >>> >>> It is funny how I keep hearing about how racist we are in the south from >>> a bunch of people that have less than 10% non-whites living in their home >>> towns. >>> *From:* CBB - Jay Fuller <mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net> >>> *Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 12:50 PM >>> *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? >>> Jaime.I'm in rural Alabama. You know this. My city has probably 5 >>> blacks that live here. (and don't get me wrong, I work with a black man on >>> a regular basis and he's one of the hardest workers i have - i have >>> absolutely no issues with him). That being said, racism here was totally >>> generational when I was growing up. If you were old, you had some racism >>> still in your blood. No one my age or younger cared - it never came up - >>> and we just looked at old people funny and understood. >>> For some reason, now, it is not really like that anymore. >>> What changed? >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> *From:* Jaime Solorza <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com> >>> *To:* Animal Farm <mailto:af@afmug.com> >>> *Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 11:27 AM >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? >>> >>> Hold up partner...first let's agree that we can disagree and still >>> have a beer together.Our founding fathers were men just like >>> you and me...sinners and not perfect while the intent of >>> Constitution said one thing...the reality was way different for >>> the Native Americans and African Americans. Entire nations wiped >>> out or moved to reservationsvisit some in your beautiful state >>> of Arizona...I am sure they will be happy to hear your speech..or >>> go to Cabrini Green in Chicago... oh wait...it's gone...go to >>> parts of the south and east and talk to them about the >>> constitution.Learn the language... yes that ln makes >>> sense...on same token...look at most folks in Europe and Asia..and >>> more now in Middle East...they speak several languagesrespect >>> our heritage? Don't think so Bubba...how quickly you forget >>> signs in restaurants and hotels >>> ..No Dogs, Negroes or Mexicans Allowed. Jim Crow era, KKK era,
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Had waffle house tonight :) Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone - Reply message - From: "Jaime Solorza" To: "Animal Farm" Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? Date: Sat, Mar 12, 2016 7:49 PM I don't know...wish I did...we as Americans must stand together or fall...if the nations that whooped Custer and his troops had stuck together history would be very different. My black belt in Kenpo Karate was awarded to me by Cliff Magic Thomas in 77...i started teaching at his schools part time from 85 to 88...he was a dinner guest at my houselots of folks from neighborhood would come over and talk to him except for one neighbor who called police on us. Told police we were doing drugs...ha...Cliff was a 5 time PKA world champion. We didn't even have beer!!! Mr. Ivey didn't like Mexicans but hated African Americans. He was like 200 years old. His wife was nice...our neighborhood was mixed until 1990s. All the white neighbors moved out...my first house neighborhood still diverse except for no whites but three families. Oh well. Other than Mr. Ivey no issues with race. Now El Paso did have issues just like most of Texas but Fort Bliss changed allot of that. We are a very diverse towna few years back Socorro High School baseball team took state championship... when they played in east Texas...the kids from those schools called them all kinds of racists remarks..oh well...btw..Alabama is first place I ate at Waffle Houselove their coffee and breakfast too bad none in El Pasolike Reagan said once...how small will our differences be when we get invaded from outer spaceI paraphrased it On Mar 12, 2016 6:00 PM, "Jay Weekley" wrote:And how many of us actually know how to play the banjo? Glen Waldrop wrote: For contrast, I’m in rural Alabama as well. It is a 50/50 split here. We get along fine. It is funny how I keep hearing about how racist we are in the south from a bunch of people that have less than 10% non-whites living in their home towns. *From:* CBB - Jay Fuller <mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net> *Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 12:50 PM *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? Jaime.I'm in rural Alabama. You know this. My city has probably 5 blacks that live here. (and don't get me wrong, I work with a black man on a regular basis and he's one of the hardest workers i have - i have absolutely no issues with him). That being said, racism here was totally generational when I was growing up. If you were old, you had some racism still in your blood. No one my age or younger cared - it never came up - and we just looked at old people funny and understood. For some reason, now, it is not really like that anymore. What changed? - Original Message - *From:* Jaime Solorza <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com> *To:* Animal Farm <mailto:af@afmug.com> *Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 11:27 AM *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? Hold up partner...first let's agree that we can disagree and still have a beer together. Our founding fathers were men just like you and me...sinners and not perfect while the intent of Constitution said one thing...the reality was way different for the Native Americans and African Americans. Entire nations wiped out or moved to reservationsvisit some in your beautiful state of Arizona...I am sure they will be happy to hear your speech...or go to Cabrini Green in Chicago... oh wait...it's gone...go to parts of the south and east and talk to them about the constitution. Learn the language... yes that ln makes sense...on same token...look at most folks in Europe and Asia...and more now in Middle East...they speak several languagesrespect our heritage? Don't think so Bubba...how quickly you forget signs in restaurants and hotels ..No Dogs, Negroes or Mexicans Allowed. Jim Crow era, KKK era, voting and gerrymandered ploys to keep Republicans in office even when population didn't reflect it, second rate education and facilities for minorities..sending minorities in greater numbers compared to whites to 'NAM...why do you think the hippies came up in 60s? If you say drugs you are wrong...why protest of convention in Chicago? And it was the Democratic Convention not Republican. So I don't know what great heritage you are talking about. I think it's great that folks keep in touch with their cultureAmerica is Not the Borg we can't all be blue eyed blonde folks. That would be too Twilight Zone stop listening to talk shows and Fox TV...try something novel...reading a history book..but not one printed in Texas..
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We have lots of rattlesnakes around here. I haven't had to kill one yet.
We have one that lives in our pump shed. He's a really big guy, maybe 2"
in diameter (rattlers out here don't get particularly long, but they do
gain girth). He's been there on and off for a few years, but he never
bothers anyone. In fact, he has never "rattled".
However, if one shows up near the front door, rattle or no, we pick him
up and move him. They keep the mice down.
bp
On 3/12/2016 2:49 PM, Glen Waldrop wrote:
Big picture being humanity, our world as a whole.
Left vs Right has overridden any and all logic in most debates
(arguments really) and left the real world behind.
Example, gun control.
We still live in the same world as our great great grandparents. There
are still critters out there that can and will kill a man. Guns aren’t
evil, but apparently a portion of the world thinks that guns exist
solely for murder. I say that they make a much more humane way for us
to kill a hog/deer/etc so we can put meat away.
We still kill rattlesnakes here quite often. I killed a copperhead a
few months back. I’m glad my neighbor always carries. He’s killed two
between my house and the neighbor’s. There are kids all over the place
out here.
Logically, guns are tools.
*From:* CBB - Jay Fuller <mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>
*Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 12:47 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over?
define big picture. i think if you ask 100 people who follow
politicsyou'll get 100 different answers.
- Original Message -
*From:* Glen Waldrop <mailto:gwl...@cngwireless.net>
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 11:18 AM
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over?
Wow.
Way to gang up guys.
I have to agree with Rory here. Black Lives Matter has all but
become the mirror image of the KKK. Sure, some of them are doing
it for the right reasons, but like environmentalists, feminists
and dozens of other –ists the wackos have hijacked what could have
been something powerful, something good, and gone *way* over the line.
One common thing among those groups are the very vocal fringe left.
I’m sitting here in the middle watching both sides go completely
apeshit crazy.
Can no one sit back and look at the big picture?
Are we so divided that logic has completely left the discussion?
It certainly seems that way and not just on the list.
*From:* Bill Prince <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 11:02 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over?
You know Rory, as long as it's "conservatives versus liberals" and
liberals are the scum of the earth, you're never going to listen
to reason.
For the most part I F6 your posts because they all seem to go down
the same rat hole. You seem to have a chip on your shoulder.
bp
On 3/12/2016 8:56 AM, Rory Conaway wrote:
You know what Ken, let’s do this.
You need me to sound racist because your liberal mindset is that
everyone is a victim. I probably have a much wider diversity of
friends, business partners, and colleagues than you do and never
has anyone ever called me racist. Because I abhor racial division
and call it out for what it is, an excuse for failure and control
by race hustlers, I’m a racist. That’s the pea-brained mentality
of the intellectually dishonest. You simply can’t understand
that there are those of us who don’t care about race, we simply
don’t have time for it in our lives and we don’t see it.
However, we can define the problems created by race, race
hustlers, and liberals who don’t want to face facts, just blame
everyone else for their problems and failures.
What I care about is that there is a class of people that are not
assimilating into society because nobody wants to face the
facts. You would rather stick your head in the sand and call out
those of us who see the truth racists. Here is a fact, not
having a solid family support system, not following the law, and
not working hard is a recipe for failure, regardless of the
race. If you don’t want to face that fact, so be it. Stick your
head in the sand, blame me and call me names, and stand by while
our country falls apart because you don’t have the intellectual
honesty to face that fact that the greatest country in the world
is falling apart from within and from the outside. Hell yes, I
want our borders sealed and immigrants required to learn our
language and honor our heritage. Hell yes I want every child to
get a good education that honors this country, the founders that
gave it to us, a
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We have thousands around here. In fact, the sweetwater rattlesnake roundup is happening now. http://video.nationalgeographic.com/video/american-festivals-project/rattlesnake-roundup I haven't killed many, but I have had to kill a number around remit tower sites. On Sat, Mar 12, 2016, 8:56 PM Bill Prince wrote: > We have lots of rattlesnakes around here. I haven't had to kill one yet. > We have one that lives in our pump shed. He's a really big guy, maybe 2" in > diameter (rattlers out here don't get particularly long, but they do gain > girth). He's been there on and off for a few years, but he never bothers > anyone. In fact, he has never "rattled". > > However, if one shows up near the front door, rattle or no, we pick him up > and move him. They keep the mice down. > > > bp > > > > On 3/12/2016 2:49 PM, Glen Waldrop wrote: > > Big picture being humanity, our world as a whole. > > Left vs Right has overridden any and all logic in most debates (arguments > really) and left the real world behind. > > Example, gun control. > > We still live in the same world as our great great grandparents. There are > still critters out there that can and will kill a man. Guns aren’t evil, > but apparently a portion of the world thinks that guns exist solely for > murder. I say that they make a much more humane way for us to kill a > hog/deer/etc so we can put meat away. > > We still kill rattlesnakes here quite often. I killed a copperhead a few > months back. I’m glad my neighbor always carries. He’s killed two between > my house and the neighbor’s. There are kids all over the place out here. > > Logically, guns are tools. > > > > *From:* CBB - Jay Fuller > *Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 12:47 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? > > > define big picture. i think if you ask 100 people who follow > politicsyou'll get 100 different answers. > > > - Original Message - > *From:* Glen Waldrop > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 11:18 AM > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? > > Wow. > > Way to gang up guys. > > I have to agree with Rory here. Black Lives Matter has all but become the > mirror image of the KKK. Sure, some of them are doing it for the right > reasons, but like environmentalists, feminists and dozens of other –ists > the wackos have hijacked what could have been something powerful, something > good, and gone *way* over the line. > > One common thing among those groups are the very vocal fringe left. > > I’m sitting here in the middle watching both sides go completely apeshit > crazy. > > Can no one sit back and look at the big picture? > > Are we so divided that logic has completely left the discussion? It > certainly seems that way and not just on the list. > > > > *From:* Bill Prince > *Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 11:02 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? > > You know Rory, as long as it's "conservatives versus liberals" and > liberals are the scum of the earth, you're never going to listen to reason. > > For the most part I F6 your posts because they all seem to go down the > same rat hole. You seem to have a chip on your shoulder. > > bp > > > > On 3/12/2016 8:56 AM, Rory Conaway wrote: > > You know what Ken, let’s do this. > > > > You need me to sound racist because your liberal mindset is that everyone > is a victim. I probably have a much wider diversity of friends, business > partners, and colleagues than you do and never has anyone ever called me > racist. Because I abhor racial division and call it out for what it is, an > excuse for failure and control by race hustlers, I’m a racist. That’s the > pea-brained mentality of the intellectually dishonest. You simply can’t > understand that there are those of us who don’t care about race, we simply > don’t have time for it in our lives and we don’t see it. However, we can > define the problems created by race, race hustlers, and liberals who don’t > want to face facts, just blame everyone else for their problems and > failures. > > > > What I care about is that there is a class of people that are not > assimilating into society because nobody wants to face the facts. You > would rather stick your head in the sand and call out those of us who see > the truth racists. Here is a fact, not having a solid family support > system, not following the law, and not working hard is a recipe for > failure, regardless of the race. If you don’t want to face that fact, so > be it. Stick your head in the sand, blame me and
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When working in Oilton and Freer Texas we all had wasp spray to discourage them from coming close. Work on those bird size hornets they have down there. On Mar 12, 2016 8:45 PM, "Lewis Bergman" wrote: > We have thousands around here. In fact, the sweetwater rattlesnake roundup > is happening now. > > http://video.nationalgeographic.com/video/american-festivals-project/rattlesnake-roundup > I haven't killed many, but I have had to kill a number around remit tower > sites. > > On Sat, Mar 12, 2016, 8:56 PM Bill Prince wrote: > >> We have lots of rattlesnakes around here. I haven't had to kill one yet. >> We have one that lives in our pump shed. He's a really big guy, maybe 2" in >> diameter (rattlers out here don't get particularly long, but they do gain >> girth). He's been there on and off for a few years, but he never bothers >> anyone. In fact, he has never "rattled". >> >> However, if one shows up near the front door, rattle or no, we pick him >> up and move him. They keep the mice down. >> >> >> bp >> >> >> >> On 3/12/2016 2:49 PM, Glen Waldrop wrote: >> >> Big picture being humanity, our world as a whole. >> >> Left vs Right has overridden any and all logic in most debates (arguments >> really) and left the real world behind. >> >> Example, gun control. >> >> We still live in the same world as our great great grandparents. There >> are still critters out there that can and will kill a man. Guns aren’t >> evil, but apparently a portion of the world thinks that guns exist solely >> for murder. I say that they make a much more humane way for us to kill a >> hog/deer/etc so we can put meat away. >> >> We still kill rattlesnakes here quite often. I killed a copperhead a few >> months back. I’m glad my neighbor always carries. He’s killed two between >> my house and the neighbor’s. There are kids all over the place out here. >> >> Logically, guns are tools. >> >> >> >> *From:* CBB - Jay Fuller >> *Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 12:47 PM >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? >> >> >> define big picture. i think if you ask 100 people who follow >> politicsyou'll get 100 different answers. >> >> >> - Original Message - >> *From:* Glen Waldrop >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> *Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 11:18 AM >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? >> >> Wow. >> >> Way to gang up guys. >> >> I have to agree with Rory here. Black Lives Matter has all but become the >> mirror image of the KKK. Sure, some of them are doing it for the right >> reasons, but like environmentalists, feminists and dozens of other –ists >> the wackos have hijacked what could have been something powerful, something >> good, and gone *way* over the line. >> >> One common thing among those groups are the very vocal fringe left. >> >> I’m sitting here in the middle watching both sides go completely apeshit >> crazy. >> >> Can no one sit back and look at the big picture? >> >> Are we so divided that logic has completely left the discussion? It >> certainly seems that way and not just on the list. >> >> >> >> *From:* Bill Prince >> *Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 11:02 AM >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? >> >> You know Rory, as long as it's "conservatives versus liberals" and >> liberals are the scum of the earth, you're never going to listen to reason. >> >> For the most part I F6 your posts because they all seem to go down the >> same rat hole. You seem to have a chip on your shoulder. >> >> bp >> >> >> >> On 3/12/2016 8:56 AM, Rory Conaway wrote: >> >> You know what Ken, let’s do this. >> >> >> >> You need me to sound racist because your liberal mindset is that everyone >> is a victim. I probably have a much wider diversity of friends, business >> partners, and colleagues than you do and never has anyone ever called me >> racist. Because I abhor racial division and call it out for what it is, an >> excuse for failure and control by race hustlers, I’m a racist. That’s the >> pea-brained mentality of the intellectually dishonest. You simply can’t >> understand that there are those of us who don’t care about race, we simply >> don’t have time for it in our lives and we don’t see it. However, we can >> define t
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In response to your last sentence down there. ... I'm confused, are you talking about rattlesnakes or politicians? On Mar 12, 2016 7:45 PM, "Lewis Bergman" wrote: > We have thousands around here. In fact, the sweetwater rattlesnake roundup > is happening now. > > http://video.nationalgeographic.com/video/american-festivals-project/rattlesnake-roundup > I haven't killed many, but I have had to kill a number around remit tower > sites. > > On Sat, Mar 12, 2016, 8:56 PM Bill Prince wrote: > >> We have lots of rattlesnakes around here. I haven't had to kill one yet. >> We have one that lives in our pump shed. He's a really big guy, maybe 2" in >> diameter (rattlers out here don't get particularly long, but they do gain >> girth). He's been there on and off for a few years, but he never bothers >> anyone. In fact, he has never "rattled". >> >> However, if one shows up near the front door, rattle or no, we pick him >> up and move him. They keep the mice down. >> >> >> bp >> >> >> >> On 3/12/2016 2:49 PM, Glen Waldrop wrote: >> >> Big picture being humanity, our world as a whole. >> >> Left vs Right has overridden any and all logic in most debates (arguments >> really) and left the real world behind. >> >> Example, gun control. >> >> We still live in the same world as our great great grandparents. There >> are still critters out there that can and will kill a man. Guns aren’t >> evil, but apparently a portion of the world thinks that guns exist solely >> for murder. I say that they make a much more humane way for us to kill a >> hog/deer/etc so we can put meat away. >> >> We still kill rattlesnakes here quite often. I killed a copperhead a few >> months back. I’m glad my neighbor always carries. He’s killed two between >> my house and the neighbor’s. There are kids all over the place out here. >> >> Logically, guns are tools. >> >> >> >> *From:* CBB - Jay Fuller >> *Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 12:47 PM >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? >> >> >> define big picture. i think if you ask 100 people who follow >> politicsyou'll get 100 different answers. >> >> >> - Original Message - >> *From:* Glen Waldrop >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> *Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 11:18 AM >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? >> >> Wow. >> >> Way to gang up guys. >> >> I have to agree with Rory here. Black Lives Matter has all but become the >> mirror image of the KKK. Sure, some of them are doing it for the right >> reasons, but like environmentalists, feminists and dozens of other –ists >> the wackos have hijacked what could have been something powerful, something >> good, and gone *way* over the line. >> >> One common thing among those groups are the very vocal fringe left. >> >> I’m sitting here in the middle watching both sides go completely apeshit >> crazy. >> >> Can no one sit back and look at the big picture? >> >> Are we so divided that logic has completely left the discussion? It >> certainly seems that way and not just on the list. >> >> >> >> *From:* Bill Prince >> *Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 11:02 AM >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? >> >> You know Rory, as long as it's "conservatives versus liberals" and >> liberals are the scum of the earth, you're never going to listen to reason. >> >> For the most part I F6 your posts because they all seem to go down the >> same rat hole. You seem to have a chip on your shoulder. >> >> bp >> >> >> >> On 3/12/2016 8:56 AM, Rory Conaway wrote: >> >> You know what Ken, let’s do this. >> >> >> >> You need me to sound racist because your liberal mindset is that everyone >> is a victim. I probably have a much wider diversity of friends, business >> partners, and colleagues than you do and never has anyone ever called me >> racist. Because I abhor racial division and call it out for what it is, an >> excuse for failure and control by race hustlers, I’m a racist. That’s the >> pea-brained mentality of the intellectually dishonest. You simply can’t >> understand that there are those of us who don’t care about race, we simply >> don’t have time for it in our lives and we don’t see it. However, we can >> define the problems created by race, ra
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To quote WC Fields ...some of my best friends are snakes On Mar 12, 2016 8:56 PM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)" < li...@packetflux.com> wrote: > In response to your last sentence down there. ... I'm confused, are you > talking about rattlesnakes or politicians? > On Mar 12, 2016 7:45 PM, "Lewis Bergman" wrote: > >> We have thousands around here. In fact, the sweetwater rattlesnake >> roundup is happening now. >> >> http://video.nationalgeographic.com/video/american-festivals-project/rattlesnake-roundup >> I haven't killed many, but I have had to kill a number around remit tower >> sites. >> >> On Sat, Mar 12, 2016, 8:56 PM Bill Prince wrote: >> >>> We have lots of rattlesnakes around here. I haven't had to kill one yet. >>> We have one that lives in our pump shed. He's a really big guy, maybe 2" in >>> diameter (rattlers out here don't get particularly long, but they do gain >>> girth). He's been there on and off for a few years, but he never bothers >>> anyone. In fact, he has never "rattled". >>> >>> However, if one shows up near the front door, rattle or no, we pick him >>> up and move him. They keep the mice down. >>> >>> >>> bp >>> >>> >>> >>> On 3/12/2016 2:49 PM, Glen Waldrop wrote: >>> >>> Big picture being humanity, our world as a whole. >>> >>> Left vs Right has overridden any and all logic in most debates >>> (arguments really) and left the real world behind. >>> >>> Example, gun control. >>> >>> We still live in the same world as our great great grandparents. There >>> are still critters out there that can and will kill a man. Guns aren’t >>> evil, but apparently a portion of the world thinks that guns exist solely >>> for murder. I say that they make a much more humane way for us to kill a >>> hog/deer/etc so we can put meat away. >>> >>> We still kill rattlesnakes here quite often. I killed a copperhead a few >>> months back. I’m glad my neighbor always carries. He’s killed two between >>> my house and the neighbor’s. There are kids all over the place out here. >>> >>> Logically, guns are tools. >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* CBB - Jay Fuller >>> *Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 12:47 PM >>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? >>> >>> >>> define big picture. i think if you ask 100 people who follow >>> politicsyou'll get 100 different answers. >>> >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> *From:* Glen Waldrop >>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>> *Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 11:18 AM >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? >>> >>> Wow. >>> >>> Way to gang up guys. >>> >>> I have to agree with Rory here. Black Lives Matter has all but become >>> the mirror image of the KKK. Sure, some of them are doing it for the right >>> reasons, but like environmentalists, feminists and dozens of other –ists >>> the wackos have hijacked what could have been something powerful, something >>> good, and gone *way* over the line. >>> >>> One common thing among those groups are the very vocal fringe left. >>> >>> I’m sitting here in the middle watching both sides go completely apeshit >>> crazy. >>> >>> Can no one sit back and look at the big picture? >>> >>> Are we so divided that logic has completely left the discussion? It >>> certainly seems that way and not just on the list. >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Bill Prince >>> *Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 11:02 AM >>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? >>> >>> You know Rory, as long as it's "conservatives versus liberals" and >>> liberals are the scum of the earth, you're never going to listen to reason. >>> >>> For the most part I F6 your posts because they all seem to go down the >>> same rat hole. You seem to have a chip on your shoulder. >>> >>> bp >>> >>> >>> >>> On 3/12/2016 8:56 AM, Rory Conaway wrote: >>> >>> You know what Ken, let’s do this. >>> >>> >>> >>> You need me to sound racist because your liberal mindset is that >>> everyone is a
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-Original Message-
From: Jay Weekley
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 6:00 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over?
And how many of us actually know how to play the banjo?
Glen Waldrop wrote:
For contrast, I’m in rural Alabama as well. It is a 50/50 split here.
We get along fine.
It is funny how I keep hearing about how racist we are in the south from a
bunch of people that have less than 10% non-whites living in their home
towns.
*From:* CBB - Jay Fuller <mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>
*Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 12:50 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over?
Jaime.I'm in rural Alabama. You know this. My city has probably 5
blacks that live here. (and don't get me wrong, I work with a black man
on a regular basis and he's one of the hardest workers i have - i have
absolutely no issues with him). That being said, racism here was
totally generational when I was growing up. If you were old, you had some
racism still in your blood. No one my age or younger cared - it never
came up - and we just looked at old people funny and understood.
For some reason, now, it is not really like that anymore.
What changed?
- Original Message -
*From:* Jaime Solorza <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
*To:* Animal Farm <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 11:27 AM
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over?
Hold up partner...first let's agree that we can disagree and still
have a beer together.Our founding fathers were men just like
you and me...sinners and not perfect while the intent of
Constitution said one thing...the reality was way different for
the Native Americans and African Americans. Entire nations wiped
out or moved to reservationsvisit some in your beautiful state
of Arizona...I am sure they will be happy to hear your speech..or
go to Cabrini Green in Chicago... oh wait...it's gone...go to
parts of the south and east and talk to them about the
constitution.Learn the language... yes that ln makes
sense...on same token...look at most folks in Europe and Asia..and
more now in Middle East...they speak several languagesrespect
our heritage? Don't think so Bubba...how quickly you forget
signs in restaurants and hotels
..No Dogs, Negroes or Mexicans Allowed. Jim Crow era, KKK era,
voting and gerrymandered ploys to keep Republicans in office even
when population didn't reflect it, second rate education and
facilities for minorities..sending minorities in greater numbers
compared to whites to 'NAM...why do you think the hippies came up
in 60s? If you say drugs you are wrong...why protest of
convention in Chicago? And it was the Democratic Convention not
Republican. So I don't know what great heritage you are talking
about. I think it's great that folks keep in touch with their
cultureAmerica is Not the Borg we can't all be blue eyed
blonde folks. That would be too Twilight Zone stop listening
to talk shows and Fox TV...try something novel...reading a history
book..but not one printed in Texasajuuaaa
On Mar 12, 2016 9:56 AM, "Rory Conaway" mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:
You know what Ken, let’s do this.
You need me to sound racist because your liberal mindset is
that everyone is a victim. I probably have a much wider
diversity of friends, business partners, and colleagues than
you do and never has anyone ever called me racist. Because I
abhor racial division and call it out for what it is, an
excuse for failure and control by race hustlers, I’m a
racist. That’s the pea-brained mentality of the
intellectually dishonest. You simply can’t understand that
there are those of us who don’t care about race, we simply
don’t have time for it in our lives and we don’t see it. However,
we can define the problems created by race, race
hustlers, and liberals who don’t want to face facts, just
blame everyone else for their problems and failures.
What I care about is that there is a class of people that are
not assimilating into society because nobody wants to face the
facts. You would rather stick your head in the sand and call
out those of us who see the truth racists. Here is a fact,
not having a solid family support system, not following the
law, and not working hard is a recipe for failure, regardless
of the race. If you don’t want to face that fact, so be it. Stick
your head in the sand, blame me and call me names, and
stand by while our country falls apart because you don’t have
the intellectual honesty to face tha
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Thanks Jay, You want to know how I feel ? I believe this clip is appropriate... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjPBp6DOwgU Regards Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 1:26:17 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? > Faisal, I was thinking of you when the debates took place in Miami. Your > hometown. > I was watching some coverage last night late as I saw facebook comments on how > differently the events > were being covered by MSNBC and Fox News (of course i had to check CNN too, > they > were re-airing debates) > That being said, "gossip" on facebook commented that it was very likely > moveon.org who is funded by donations > (i suppose a superpac in a way) most likely paid the organized protestors to > derail the rally. Even the media (well, > fox news) commented on how they all seemed to show up at approximately the > same > time and when interviewed > on camera about what they were protesting - - they claimed they didn't want to > discuss on national tv. > gossip understood this to mean "we don't know why we're here, we were just > paid > to come here and protest" > also understand anything i read i take with a grain of salt - - it's the > internet - it's mostly gossip. but there is a > possibility it can be true. especially when i read one or two articles on how > "protesters" were actually paid to show > up in fergeson and change the national view on what happened. > google can be your friend. > have a nice day everyone....see you in KY? :) >> - Original Message - >> From: Rory Conaway >> To: af@afmug.com >> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 8:51 AM >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? >> Faisal, I’m ready to continue our other discussion. BTW, Black Lives Matter >> showed up to the Chicago rally and now there is looting and gun fire. I >> really >> doubt the Trump supporters are doing that. >> Rory >> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz >> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 7:32 AM >> To: af@afmug.com >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? >> I hope you realize that everyone participating in this discussion is an >> Adult, >> and a Patriot. Everyone is very much concerned about the future of our great >> nation. The discussion is over the events as they are unfolding. >> It is very interesting to me, as an independent, that folks on the right are >> so >> upset, and so polarized in their view that they are willing to accept bad >> behavior from anyone of their affiliated party, since that person can do >> nothing wrong and the other side cannot do nothing right... >> I fully understand that everyone is passionate, but exchange of views in a >> polite healthy manner is the proper decorum, watching the GOP primaries turn >> into a circus act is embarrassing, because the world is watching, and to see >> folks trying to explain and justify is even more troubling. >> Bad behavior is bad behavior, it should be called out, and it should not bt >> acceptable at any level from anyone. While the media is fully responsible for >> fueling the fire and covering only the inciting stuff watch closely the >> clips of trouble at the Trump rallies, there appears to be an steadily >> increasing amount of 'supporter participation' in this bad behavior (when >> someone is being lead out, by security there are folks hitting and throwing >> punches at the person being lead out).. and Mr Trump constantly refuses >> to >> condemn such behavior, which indicates approval. >> While you can explain it and justify it which ever way you want, some of us >> who >> have had a broader view of the world, have seen this type of behavior and >> events , in the other parts of the world.. and the end results were not very >> good for anyone As such their is rising concern. >> The GOP is playing with Fire, one they think they can control >> historically >> speaking when that particular type of genie is let out of the bottle, no one >> has been able to control it . >> :) >> Regards >> Faisal Imtiaz >> Snappy Internet & Telecom >> 7266 SW 48 Street >> Miami, FL 33155 >> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 >> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net >>> From: "Rory Conaway" < r
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no argument here. i always believed people kill people, not guns :) - Original Message - From: Glen Waldrop To: af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 4:49 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? Big picture being humanity, our world as a whole. Left vs Right has overridden any and all logic in most debates (arguments really) and left the real world behind. Example, gun control. We still live in the same world as our great great grandparents. There are still critters out there that can and will kill a man. Guns aren’t evil, but apparently a portion of the world thinks that guns exist solely for murder. I say that they make a much more humane way for us to kill a hog/deer/etc so we can put meat away. We still kill rattlesnakes here quite often. I killed a copperhead a few months back. I’m glad my neighbor always carries. He’s killed two between my house and the neighbor’s. There are kids all over the place out here. Logically, guns are tools. From: CBB - Jay Fuller Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 12:47 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? define big picture. i think if you ask 100 people who follow politicsyou'll get 100 different answers. - Original Message - From: Glen Waldrop To: af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 11:18 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? Wow. Way to gang up guys. I have to agree with Rory here. Black Lives Matter has all but become the mirror image of the KKK. Sure, some of them are doing it for the right reasons, but like environmentalists, feminists and dozens of other –ists the wackos have hijacked what could have been something powerful, something good, and gone *way* over the line. One common thing among those groups are the very vocal fringe left. I’m sitting here in the middle watching both sides go completely apeshit crazy. Can no one sit back and look at the big picture? Are we so divided that logic has completely left the discussion? It certainly seems that way and not just on the list. From: Bill Prince Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 11:02 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? You know Rory, as long as it's "conservatives versus liberals" and liberals are the scum of the earth, you're never going to listen to reason. For the most part I F6 your posts because they all seem to go down the same rat hole. You seem to have a chip on your shoulder. bp On 3/12/2016 8:56 AM, Rory Conaway wrote: You know what Ken, let’s do this. You need me to sound racist because your liberal mindset is that everyone is a victim. I probably have a much wider diversity of friends, business partners, and colleagues than you do and never has anyone ever called me racist. Because I abhor racial division and call it out for what it is, an excuse for failure and control by race hustlers, I’m a racist. That’s the pea-brained mentality of the intellectually dishonest. You simply can’t understand that there are those of us who don’t care about race, we simply don’t have time for it in our lives and we don’t see it. However, we can define the problems created by race, race hustlers, and liberals who don’t want to face facts, just blame everyone else for their problems and failures. What I care about is that there is a class of people that are not assimilating into society because nobody wants to face the facts. You would rather stick your head in the sand and call out those of us who see the truth racists. Here is a fact, not having a solid family support system, not following the law, and not working hard is a recipe for failure, regardless of the race. If you don’t want to face that fact, so be it. Stick your head in the sand, blame me and call me names, and stand by while our country falls apart because you don’t have the intellectual honesty to face that fact that the greatest country in the world is falling apart from within and from the outside. Hell yes, I want our borders sealed and immigrants required to learn our language and honor our heritage. Hell yes I want every child to get a good education that honors this country, the founders that gave it to us, and the men and women who died to protect it. And until we recognize that keeping an entire culture in poverty and ignorance by not expecting them to excel is a bad thing, then we as a country are doomed to further internal violence, strife, and separation. I don’t care about the color, I care about the fact that color is used as an excuse. The sad part is it’s not just any specific culture, it’s the entire generation. There isn’t a manufacturer here that doesn’t have engineering outside this country because they can’t find enough engineering talent within ou
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My dad is a union democrat who is admittedly socialist, so Sanders is his guy. Now on the flip side, one of his brothers thought Reagan was the greatest president ever. All I remember is Christmas dinner as a kid and those two screaming at each other. Over fucking politics. And then my grandma kicked them out to the garage. So that's what I think we need today. Someone that can kick the extremists to the garage so the rest of us can have a civil conversation. That candidate doesn't seem to exist currently.
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hah - i own this t-shirt. wear it every summer. - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown To: af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 10:28 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? -Original Message- From: Jay Weekley Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 6:00 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? And how many of us actually know how to play the banjo? Glen Waldrop wrote: > For contrast, I’m in rural Alabama as well. It is a 50/50 split here. > We get along fine. > > It is funny how I keep hearing about how racist we are in the south from a > bunch of people that have less than 10% non-whites living in their home > towns. > *From:* CBB - Jay Fuller <mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net> > *Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 12:50 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? > Jaime.I'm in rural Alabama. You know this. My city has probably 5 > blacks that live here. (and don't get me wrong, I work with a black man > on a regular basis and he's one of the hardest workers i have - i have > absolutely no issues with him). That being said, racism here was > totally generational when I was growing up. If you were old, you had some > racism still in your blood. No one my age or younger cared - it never > came up - and we just looked at old people funny and understood. > For some reason, now, it is not really like that anymore. > What changed? > > - Original Message - > *From:* Jaime Solorza <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com> > *To:* Animal Farm <mailto:af@afmug.com> > *Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 11:27 AM > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? > > Hold up partner...first let's agree that we can disagree and still > have a beer together.Our founding fathers were men just like > you and me...sinners and not perfect while the intent of > Constitution said one thing...the reality was way different for > the Native Americans and African Americans. Entire nations wiped > out or moved to reservationsvisit some in your beautiful state > of Arizona...I am sure they will be happy to hear your speech..or > go to Cabrini Green in Chicago... oh wait...it's gone...go to > parts of the south and east and talk to them about the > constitution.Learn the language... yes that ln makes > sense...on same token...look at most folks in Europe and Asia..and > more now in Middle East...they speak several languagesrespect > our heritage? Don't think so Bubba...how quickly you forget > signs in restaurants and hotels > ..No Dogs, Negroes or Mexicans Allowed. Jim Crow era, KKK era, > voting and gerrymandered ploys to keep Republicans in office even > when population didn't reflect it, second rate education and > facilities for minorities..sending minorities in greater numbers > compared to whites to 'NAM...why do you think the hippies came up > in 60s? If you say drugs you are wrong...why protest of > convention in Chicago? And it was the Democratic Convention not > Republican. So I don't know what great heritage you are talking > about. I think it's great that folks keep in touch with their > cultureAmerica is Not the Borg we can't all be blue eyed > blonde folks. That would be too Twilight Zone stop listening > to talk shows and Fox TV...try something novel...reading a history > book..but not one printed in Texasajuuaaa > > On Mar 12, 2016 9:56 AM, "Rory Conaway" <mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote: > > You know what Ken, let’s do this. > > You need me to sound racist because your liberal mindset is > that everyone is a victim. I probably have a much wider > diversity of friends, business partners, and colleagues than > you do and never has anyone ever called me racist. Because I > abhor racial division and call it out for what it is, an > excuse for failure and control by race hustlers, I’m a > racist. That’s the pea-brained mentality of the > intellectually dishonest. You simply can’t understand that > there are those of us who don’t care about race, we simply > don’t have time for it in our lives and we don’t see it. However, > we can define the problems created by race, race > hustlers, and liberals who don’t want to face facts, just >
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lol
(ok, it is kind of sad, actually )
- Original Message -
From: Faisal Imtiaz
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 11:52 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over?
Thanks Jay,
You want to know how I feel ?
I believe this clip is appropriate...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjPBp6DOwgU
Regards
Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
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From: "CBB - Jay Fuller"
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 1:26:17 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over?
Faisal, I was thinking of you when the debates took place in Miami. Your
hometown.
I was watching some coverage last night late as I saw facebook comments on
how differently the events
were being covered by MSNBC and Fox News (of course i had to check CNN too,
they were re-airing debates)
That being said, "gossip" on facebook commented that it was very likely
moveon.org who is funded by donations
(i suppose a superpac in a way) most likely paid the organized protestors
to derail the rally. Even the media (well,
fox news) commented on how they all seemed to show up at approximately the
same time and when interviewed
on camera about what they were protesting - - they claimed they didn't want
to discuss on national tv.
gossip understood this to mean "we don't know why we're here, we were just
paid to come here and protest"
also understand anything i read i take with a grain of salt - - it's the
internet - it's mostly gossip. but there is a
possibility it can be true. especially when i read one or two articles on
how "protesters" were actually paid to show
up in fergeson and change the national view on what happened.
google can be your friend.
have a nice day everyonesee you in KY? :)
- Original Message -
From: Rory Conaway
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 8:51 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over?
Faisal, I’m ready to continue our other discussion. BTW, Black Lives
Matter showed up to the Chicago rally and now there is looting and gun fire. I
really doubt the Trump supporters are doing that.
Rory
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 7:32 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over?
I hope you realize that everyone participating in this discussion is an
Adult, and a Patriot. Everyone is very much concerned about the future of our
great nation. The discussion is over the events as they are unfolding.
It is very interesting to me, as an independent, that folks on the right
are so upset, and so polarized in their view that they are willing to accept
bad behavior from anyone of their affiliated party, since that person can do
nothing wrong and the other side cannot do nothing right...
I fully understand that everyone is passionate, but exchange of views in
a polite healthy manner is the proper decorum, watching the GOP primaries turn
into a circus act is embarrassing, because the world is watching, and to see
folks trying to explain and justify is even more troubling.
Bad behavior is bad behavior, it should be called out, and it should not
bt acceptable at any level from anyone. While the media is fully responsible
for fueling the fire and covering only the inciting stuff watch closely the
clips of trouble at the Trump rallies, there appears to be an steadily
increasing amount of 'supporter participation' in this bad behavior (when
someone is being lead out, by security there are folks hitting and throwing
punches at the person being lead out).. and Mr Trump constantly refuses to
condemn such behavior, which indicates approval.
While you can explain it and justify it which ever way you want, some of
us who have had a broader view of the world, have seen this type of behavior
and events , in the other parts of the world.. and the end results were not
very good for anyone As such their is rising concern.
The GOP is playing with Fire, one they think they can control
historically speaking when that particular type of genie is let out of the
bottle, no one has been able to control it .
:)
Regards
Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over?
that's a 'fact' (cuz remember that Facts Don't Matter) and I am a "racist" for NOT voting for that domestic enemy... okay... ready... here comes... Who Is Gonna Arrest the BLACK president?? (who isn't really "black"... ahem... but Facts really Don't Matter anymore) And so somehow, someway, everything somehow gets spun into some sort of 'racial' thing, completely ruining the exercise of the 1st Amendment: political discourse. Damn, what's left to ruin? Oh yeah, I remember! Our national / geopolitical reputation!SO yeah, let's give $150 billion to a terrorist nation which promises to kill us all someday. What a PERFECT idea!!!...I'm sure, like, they don't mean those, like, ugly words. Cuz, like, I really think that us, like, being killed and all is bad, and if it's, like, me being, like, killed, well, I don't *like* that --- Love em or hate him, Trump has guts. He has put himself in front of ALL THIS ^. -- On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 10:28 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: > > > -Original Message- From: Jay Weekley > Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 6:00 PM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? > > And how many of us actually know how to play the banjo? > > Glen Waldrop wrote: > >> For contrast, I’m in rural Alabama as well. It is a 50/50 split here. >> We get along fine. >> >> It is funny how I keep hearing about how racist we are in the south from >> a bunch of people that have less than 10% non-whites living in their home >> towns. >> *From:* CBB - Jay Fuller <mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net> >> *Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 12:50 PM >> *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? >> Jaime.I'm in rural Alabama. You know this. My city has probably 5 >> blacks that live here. (and don't get me wrong, I work with a black man on >> a regular basis and he's one of the hardest workers i have - i have >> absolutely no issues with him). That being said, racism here was totally >> generational when I was growing up. If you were old, you had some racism >> still in your blood. No one my age or younger cared - it never came up - >> and we just looked at old people funny and understood. >> For some reason, now, it is not really like that anymore. >> What changed? >> >> - Original Message - >> *From:* Jaime Solorza <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com> >> *To:* Animal Farm <mailto:af@afmug.com> >> *Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 11:27 AM >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? >> >> Hold up partner...first let's agree that we can disagree and still >> have a beer together.Our founding fathers were men just like >> you and me...sinners and not perfect while the intent of >> Constitution said one thing...the reality was way different for >> the Native Americans and African Americans. Entire nations wiped >> out or moved to reservationsvisit some in your beautiful state >> of Arizona...I am sure they will be happy to hear your speech..or >> go to Cabrini Green in Chicago... oh wait...it's gone...go to >> parts of the south and east and talk to them about the >> constitution.Learn the language... yes that ln makes >> sense...on same token...look at most folks in Europe and Asia..and >> more now in Middle East...they speak several languagesrespect >> our heritage? Don't think so Bubba...how quickly you forget >> signs in restaurants and hotels >> ..No Dogs, Negroes or Mexicans Allowed. Jim Crow era, KKK era, >> voting and gerrymandered ploys to keep Republicans in office even >> when population didn't reflect it, second rate education and >> facilities for minorities..sending minorities in greater numbers >> compared to whites to 'NAM...why do you think the hippies came up >> in 60s? If you say drugs you are wrong...why protest of >> convention in Chicago? And it was the Democratic Convention not >> Republican. So I don't know what great heritage you are talking >> about. I think it's great that folks keep in touch with their >> cultureAmerica is Not the Borg we can't all be blue eyed >> blonde folks. That would be too Twilight Zone stop listening >> to talk shows and Fox TV...try something novel...reading a history >> book..but not one printed in Texasajuuaaa >> >> On Mar 12, 2016 9:5
Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over?
I vote for George's grandma! On Sun, Mar 13, 2016, 12:14 AM George Skorup wrote: > My dad is a union democrat who is admittedly socialist, so Sanders is > his guy. Now on the flip side, one of his brothers thought Reagan was > the greatest president ever. All I remember is Christmas dinner as a kid > and those two screaming at each other. Over fucking politics. And then > my grandma kicked them out to the garage. So that's what I think we need > today. Someone that can kick the extremists to the garage so the rest of > us can have a civil conversation. That candidate doesn't seem to exist > currently. >
Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over?
Heh, bass man... and I suck at it.
-Original Message-
From: Jay Weekley
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 7:00 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over?
And how many of us actually know how to play the banjo?
Glen Waldrop wrote:
For contrast, I’m in rural Alabama as well. It is a 50/50 split here.
We get along fine.
It is funny how I keep hearing about how racist we are in the south from a
bunch of people that have less than 10% non-whites living in their home
towns.
*From:* CBB - Jay Fuller <mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>
*Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 12:50 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over?
Jaime.I'm in rural Alabama. You know this. My city has probably 5
blacks that live here. (and don't get me wrong, I work with a black man
on a regular basis and he's one of the hardest workers i have - i have
absolutely no issues with him). That being said, racism here was
totally generational when I was growing up. If you were old, you had some
racism still in your blood. No one my age or younger cared - it never
came up - and we just looked at old people funny and understood.
For some reason, now, it is not really like that anymore.
What changed?
- Original Message -
*From:* Jaime Solorza <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
*To:* Animal Farm <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 11:27 AM
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over?
Hold up partner...first let's agree that we can disagree and still
have a beer together.Our founding fathers were men just like
you and me...sinners and not perfect while the intent of
Constitution said one thing...the reality was way different for
the Native Americans and African Americans. Entire nations wiped
out or moved to reservationsvisit some in your beautiful state
of Arizona...I am sure they will be happy to hear your speech..or
go to Cabrini Green in Chicago... oh wait...it's gone...go to
parts of the south and east and talk to them about the
constitution.Learn the language... yes that ln makes
sense...on same token...look at most folks in Europe and Asia..and
more now in Middle East...they speak several languagesrespect
our heritage? Don't think so Bubba...how quickly you forget
signs in restaurants and hotels
..No Dogs, Negroes or Mexicans Allowed. Jim Crow era, KKK era,
voting and gerrymandered ploys to keep Republicans in office even
when population didn't reflect it, second rate education and
facilities for minorities..sending minorities in greater numbers
compared to whites to 'NAM...why do you think the hippies came up
in 60s? If you say drugs you are wrong...why protest of
convention in Chicago? And it was the Democratic Convention not
Republican. So I don't know what great heritage you are talking
about. I think it's great that folks keep in touch with their
cultureAmerica is Not the Borg we can't all be blue eyed
blonde folks. That would be too Twilight Zone stop listening
to talk shows and Fox TV...try something novel...reading a history
book..but not one printed in Texasajuuaaa
On Mar 12, 2016 9:56 AM, "Rory Conaway" mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:
You know what Ken, let’s do this.
You need me to sound racist because your liberal mindset is
that everyone is a victim. I probably have a much wider
diversity of friends, business partners, and colleagues than
you do and never has anyone ever called me racist. Because I
abhor racial division and call it out for what it is, an
excuse for failure and control by race hustlers, I’m a
racist. That’s the pea-brained mentality of the
intellectually dishonest. You simply can’t understand that
there are those of us who don’t care about race, we simply
don’t have time for it in our lives and we don’t see it. However,
we can define the problems created by race, race
hustlers, and liberals who don’t want to face facts, just
blame everyone else for their problems and failures.
What I care about is that there is a class of people that are
not assimilating into society because nobody wants to face the
facts. You would rather stick your head in the sand and call
out those of us who see the truth racists. Here is a fact,
not having a solid family support system, not following the
law, and not working hard is a recipe for failure, regardless
of the race. If you don’t want to face that fact, so be it. Stick
your head in the sand, blame me and call me names, and
stand by while our country falls apart because you don’t have
Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over?
Well said. Gary Johnson might be close to that, but I haven't actually heard him speak, just read his stuff. I like the libertarian ideas, "We're going to take over the country and leave everyone the hell alone." -Original Message- From: George Skorup Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 12:14 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? My dad is a union democrat who is admittedly socialist, so Sanders is his guy. Now on the flip side, one of his brothers thought Reagan was the greatest president ever. All I remember is Christmas dinner as a kid and those two screaming at each other. Over fucking politics. And then my grandma kicked them out to the garage. So that's what I think we need today. Someone that can kick the extremists to the garage so the rest of us can have a civil conversation. That candidate doesn't seem to exist currently.
Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over?
Well said. From: justsumname . Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 1:09 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? The difference between 1968 and now, is, Saul Alinksy had not written his book, telling his fellow rabble-rousers how to disrupt and destroy a political system without resorting to murder and general violence. The difference between 1968 and now, is, if a "political activist" up and attacked you (presumably for holding different political views), we weren't so "politically correct" such that you *could* respond by punching the jerk's lights out and the cops would arrest the 'activist'. Why? Because everyone pretty much had a sense of 'right and wrong' and everyone knew that attacking someone was wrong and not tolerated at all. Also, the "individual Citizen" and private property was held in much higher esteem -- defending both with effective force was not a crime. The difference between 1968 and now, is, the US Constitution was still taught in schools and people had a damn clue when they discussed USA political issues. Nowadays, we're just mobs with a cause, easily (mis)led by false but emotionally-charged rhetoric and a false incarnation of "victim". There also weren't very many years difference between 1968 and Senator McAurthy's statements that "communists are infiltrating our educational institutions, our media and our govt". Nowadays... all three are stuffed overflowing with America-hating voices and political powers. The guy sounds a little crazy but he got that part right. In 1968, people still knew what words meant and therefore agreed on their meaning. Which also meant the 'rule of law' could possibly exist. There's also a movement afoot in the USA (alas the whole world, really); greater than even Black Lives Matter. Even though the 'root cause' of BLM has a bit of a point: blacks have been crapped on by... some 'authorities' -- including the ones they vote for this bigger movement is called Facts Don't Matter. This is true even among creatively intelligent people. You see, even though, for example, Mr Trump has never said that he wants to, or is going to ... 'round up and deport all Hispanic peoples'... you can read it here, presented as 'fact'. Another example: Trump's supporters don't go to Hillary or Bernie rallies and disrupt their right to political assembly, but oh, it's Trump's fault that the OTHER supporters go to Trump's rallies and disrupt his thing and then a scuffle breaks out and then the narrative becomes "Trump and/or his supporters are violent". Damn. Taken right out of Alinsky's textbook! Accuse the OTHER side of the very thing YOU are doing. Of course this works best when the "media" is all down with it all... Ahhh I have been telling people for quite a few years that the 'United States is being destroyed', crazy foo' that I am! Citizen status is being diluted and dissolved. The international, physical boundary (the foundation of private land / property ownership) is being diluted and dissolved.The elections have no verifiable integrity (but many of us still call the USA a 'democracy'... wow the idiocy). Arbitrarily-defined "civil rights" now supercede tangible, measurable, legally tactile property rights. Courts are *impossibly* overloaded. The national 'money' is just fancy paper. It says it's guaranteed by the US Govt. Fine. Except the US Govt is in debt more than the size of the GDP. So... uhm... what the hell does the money mean now? (and the big Federal "bank", aka Reserve, is in debt something like 5 or 6 trillion due to several years of 'quantitative easing'. heh... I don't know what the hell that means! It sounds like a book-nerd term for 'masturbation' though! Which is better than raping, although it's okay if the muslims rape, because, well, we don't know, really, why we let them get away with it Look, a squirrel!!) And lastly, the last thing to go before a 'nation' falls off the cliff is, the fourth thing which makes up a 'nation': the rule of law. Mr Obama holds a few note-worthy records, some have been mentioned already. I will point out that he holds the highest record of being ruled against by the US Supreme Court by a 9-0 majority. Yeah, as in 'unanimously against him'. So what does he do when he doesn't get his way with a court that he helped stack with two of his own stooges? F'you, he does what he wants anyway! I mean, seriously, who duh hell is gonna arrest the PRESIDENT?? And, given for what passes as 'political discourse' in our cou
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After all the crap about Trump supporters being violent, I’ve got a timeline about who did what when. The point is, MoveOn organized the protest a week in advance and Bill Ayers was involved in getting organizers into the event. After the event, Black Lives Matters moved in and started the violence, the looting, and blocking the freeways including ambulances. If we let these progressives get away with this, Trump would never have another gathering. Apparently free speech is only allowed if you are Liberal. I don’t condone violence outside the event but if they come inside and start protesting and affecting the right to free speech, then yes, violence is okay. The protestors should not be in there and if they are, they trespassing, period. A lot of Americans died from 1776 on to give us that right and nobody has a right to take that away. If there isn’t swift and harsh punishment to these criminals, and yes, inciting violence is a criminal act, then what is going to happen at the Republican Convention in Cleveland? These people need to understand there is a civil way to do this and if they don’t know that lesson, then they should be removed and jailed. Protest outside peacefully, protest inside by sneaking in, then don’t whine when someone is violent towards you. You are affecting their right to free speech and to organize. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Glen Waldrop Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2016 7:29 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? Well said. From: justsumname .<mailto:unixday...@gmail.com> Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 1:09 AM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? The difference between 1968 and now, is, Saul Alinksy had not written his book, telling his fellow rabble-rousers how to disrupt and destroy a political system without resorting to murder and general violence. The difference between 1968 and now, is, if a "political activist" up and attacked you (presumably for holding different political views), we weren't so "politically correct" such that you *could* respond by punching the jerk's lights out and the cops would arrest the 'activist'. Why? Because everyone pretty much had a sense of 'right and wrong' and everyone knew that attacking someone was wrong and not tolerated at all. Also, the "individual Citizen" and private property was held in much higher esteem -- defending both with effective force was not a crime. The difference between 1968 and now, is, the US Constitution was still taught in schools and people had a damn clue when they discussed USA political issues. Nowadays, we're just mobs with a cause, easily (mis)led by false but emotionally-charged rhetoric and a false incarnation of "victim". There also weren't very many years difference between 1968 and Senator McAurthy's statements that "communists are infiltrating our educational institutions, our media and our govt". Nowadays... all three are stuffed overflowing with America-hating voices and political powers. The guy sounds a little crazy but he got that part right. In 1968, people still knew what words meant and therefore agreed on their meaning. Which also meant the 'rule of law' could possibly exist. There's also a movement afoot in the USA (alas the whole world, really); greater than even Black Lives Matter. Even though the 'root cause' of BLM has a bit of a point: blacks have been crapped on by... some 'authorities' -- including the ones they vote for this bigger movement is called Facts Don't Matter. This is true even among creatively intelligent people. You see, even though, for example, Mr Trump has never said that he wants to, or is going to ... 'round up and deport all Hispanic peoples'... you can read it here, presented as 'fact'. Another example: Trump's supporters don't go to Hillary or Bernie rallies and disrupt their right to political assembly, but oh, it's Trump's fault that the OTHER supporters go to Trump's rallies and disrupt his thing and then a scuffle breaks out and then the narrative becomes "Trump and/or his supporters are violent". Damn. Taken right out of Alinsky's textbook! Accuse the OTHER side of the very thing YOU are doing. Of course this works best when the "media" is all down with it all... Ahhh I have been telling people for quite a few years that the 'United States is being destroyed', crazy foo' that I am! Citizen status is being diluted and dissolved. The international, physical boundary (the foundation of private land / property ownership) is being diluted and dissolved.The elections have no verifiable integrity (but many of us still call the
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I really hate that black lives matter is automatically equated to black people. Blm is a VERY small subset of an already small subset of the black community. Definetly not representative of the whole. And I'm a non apologetic racist, every one of my black or Mexican friends will verify this. Hopefully I'm the last of a dying breed. On Mar 15, 2016 7:02 PM, "Rory Conaway" wrote: > After all the crap about Trump supporters being violent, I’ve got a > timeline about who did what when. The point is, MoveOn organized the > protest a week in advance and Bill Ayers was involved in getting organizers > into the event. After the event, Black Lives Matters moved in and started > the violence, the looting, and blocking the freeways including ambulances. > > > > If we let these progressives get away with this, Trump would never have > another gathering. Apparently free speech is only allowed if you are > Liberal. I don’t condone violence outside the event but if they come > inside and start protesting and affecting the right to free speech, then > yes, violence is okay. The protestors should not be in there and if they > are, they trespassing, period. A lot of Americans died from 1776 on to > give us that right and nobody has a right to take that away. > > > > If there isn’t swift and harsh punishment to these criminals, and yes, > inciting violence is a criminal act, then what is going to happen at the > Republican Convention in Cleveland? These people need to understand there > is a civil way to do this and if they don’t know that lesson, then they > should be removed and jailed. Protest outside peacefully, protest inside > by sneaking in, then don’t whine when someone is violent towards you. You > are affecting their right to free speech and to organize. > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Glen Waldrop > *Sent:* Tuesday, March 15, 2016 7:29 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? > > > > Well said. > > > > > > > > *From:* justsumname . > > *Sent:* Sunday, March 13, 2016 1:09 AM > > *To:* af@afmug.com > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? > > > > The difference between 1968 and now, is, Saul Alinksy had not written his > book, telling his fellow rabble-rousers how to disrupt and destroy a > political system without resorting to murder and general violence. > > > > The difference between 1968 and now, is, if a "political activist" up and > attacked you (presumably for holding different political views), we weren't > so "politically correct" such that you *could* respond by punching the > jerk's lights out and the cops would arrest the 'activist'. Why? Because > everyone pretty much had a sense of 'right and wrong' and everyone knew > that attacking someone was wrong and not tolerated at all. Also, the > "individual Citizen" and private property was held in much higher esteem -- > defending both with effective force was not a crime. > > > > The difference between 1968 and now, is, the US Constitution was still > taught in schools and people had a damn clue when they discussed USA > political issues. Nowadays, we're just mobs with a cause, easily (mis)led > by false but emotionally-charged rhetoric and a false incarnation of > "victim". > > > > There also weren't very many years difference between 1968 and Senator > McAurthy's statements that "communists are infiltrating our educational > institutions, our media and our govt". Nowadays... all three are stuffed > overflowing with America-hating voices and political powers. The guy > sounds a little crazy but he got that part right. > > > > In 1968, people still knew what words meant and therefore agreed on their > meaning. Which also meant the 'rule of law' could possibly exist. > > > > There's also a movement afoot in the USA (alas the whole world, really); > greater than even Black Lives Matter. Even though the 'root cause' of BLM > has a bit of a point: blacks have been crapped on by... some 'authorities' > -- including the ones they vote for this bigger movement is called > Facts Don't Matter. > > > > This is true even among creatively intelligent people. You see, even > though, for example, Mr Trump has never said that he wants to, or is going > to ... 'round up and deport all Hispanic peoples'... you can read it here, > presented as 'fact'. Another example: Trump's supporters don't go to > Hillary or Bernie rallies and disrupt their right
Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over?
You win the most confusing post of the day. On Tue, Mar 15, 2016, 8:03 PM That One Guy /sarcasm < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: > I really hate that black lives matter is automatically equated to black > people. Blm is a VERY small subset of an already small subset of the black > community. Definetly not representative of the whole. > > And I'm a non apologetic racist, every one of my black or Mexican friends > will verify this. Hopefully I'm the last of a dying breed. > On Mar 15, 2016 7:02 PM, "Rory Conaway" wrote: > >> After all the crap about Trump supporters being violent, I’ve got a >> timeline about who did what when. The point is, MoveOn organized the >> protest a week in advance and Bill Ayers was involved in getting organizers >> into the event. After the event, Black Lives Matters moved in and started >> the violence, the looting, and blocking the freeways including ambulances. >> >> >> >> If we let these progressives get away with this, Trump would never have >> another gathering. Apparently free speech is only allowed if you are >> Liberal. I don’t condone violence outside the event but if they come >> inside and start protesting and affecting the right to free speech, then >> yes, violence is okay. The protestors should not be in there and if they >> are, they trespassing, period. A lot of Americans died from 1776 on to >> give us that right and nobody has a right to take that away. >> >> >> >> If there isn’t swift and harsh punishment to these criminals, and yes, >> inciting violence is a criminal act, then what is going to happen at the >> Republican Convention in Cleveland? These people need to understand there >> is a civil way to do this and if they don’t know that lesson, then they >> should be removed and jailed. Protest outside peacefully, protest inside >> by sneaking in, then don’t whine when someone is violent towards you. You >> are affecting their right to free speech and to organize. >> >> >> >> Rory >> >> >> >> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Glen Waldrop >> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 15, 2016 7:29 AM >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? >> >> >> >> Well said. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* justsumname . >> >> *Sent:* Sunday, March 13, 2016 1:09 AM >> >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? >> >> >> >> The difference between 1968 and now, is, Saul Alinksy had not written his >> book, telling his fellow rabble-rousers how to disrupt and destroy a >> political system without resorting to murder and general violence. >> >> >> >> The difference between 1968 and now, is, if a "political activist" up and >> attacked you (presumably for holding different political views), we weren't >> so "politically correct" such that you *could* respond by punching the >> jerk's lights out and the cops would arrest the 'activist'. Why? Because >> everyone pretty much had a sense of 'right and wrong' and everyone knew >> that attacking someone was wrong and not tolerated at all. Also, the >> "individual Citizen" and private property was held in much higher esteem -- >> defending both with effective force was not a crime. >> >> >> >> The difference between 1968 and now, is, the US Constitution was still >> taught in schools and people had a damn clue when they discussed USA >> political issues. Nowadays, we're just mobs with a cause, easily (mis)led >> by false but emotionally-charged rhetoric and a false incarnation of >> "victim". >> >> >> >> There also weren't very many years difference between 1968 and Senator >> McAurthy's statements that "communists are infiltrating our educational >> institutions, our media and our govt". Nowadays... all three are stuffed >> overflowing with America-hating voices and political powers. The guy >> sounds a little crazy but he got that part right. >> >> >> >> In 1968, people still knew what words meant and therefore agreed on their >> meaning. Which also meant the 'rule of law' could possibly exist. >> >> >> >> There's also a movement afoot in the USA (alas the whole world, really); >> greater than even Black Lives Matter. Even though the 'root cause' of BLM >> has a bit of a point: blacks
