Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

[Lisa Singh]

On 5/22/13, Lee Cullom  wrote:

> SaaS revenue.  However, SaaS (leasing!) brings more profit along with it.
>

You're not wrong there, we pay  amounts
of money for the SaaS version

Lisa

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Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

[Joe D'Souza]

That sounds like Goa a few years ago.. Even till today when my family is at
our ancestral home in Goa on vacations and I call them, they sometimes have
to go outdoors with their cell phones to get a better reception, simply
because there are so few cell towers in that area that by the time you walk
into your 24 inch thick old stone walls, your cells are literally
powerless..

Makes me wonder why they don't build homes like that in tornado torn places
in the US.. those homes there stood through 100s of powerful storms and
cyclones.. They would probably need Sandy multiplied by 4 or 5 to bring them
down.. I recall when I was a teen, because a tree in our property was giving
a reasonable doubt to our neighbor that it may perhaps damage their home
should it fall, we got a permit to cut it off. And while cutting it there
was a small accident where midway a huge log fell directly on hour home by
accident.. the result - a small scratch on the outer wall of our home..
something we didn't even bother to repair until the next time we painted the
house. That same log would have probably flattened most homes built out of
wood here in the US.. After that log hit vertically on the ground, it left a
depression of close to half a foot - which gives an idea of the impact..

Joe

-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Ken Pritchard
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 5:43 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

Folks know that usually the best way to get me is either email or phone
(call, not text).  Even my kids ask me why I don't text - I tell them about
the old days where if you wanted to make a phone call you had to walk a mile
to the corner store where the 'community' phone was.   I wonder if we could
survive a day without cell phones, email, etc.

Heck, it's Friday so I can say this...

In the old days (once we did get a phone) if it rang, everyone looked at one
another to decide who would answer it.  Truth was it might ring ten times
before someone answered it.  Nowadays folks can't be ten feet from their
phone and if they don't answer it by the second ring they think the world
will come to an end.  There wasn't any answering machines either - if you
weren't there, you never knew someone was trying to get hold of you - they
had to actually call back.

And yes - I grew up where there was no plumbing in the house (although we
did have electricity - most of the time).

-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Joe D'Souza
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 5:36 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

I created a facebook account just to check out pictures some of my friends
post on there of our get togethers and parties - so I can view them without
having them have to email them which they used to before facebook.. But now
having a iPhone app for it, I don't sign off it, so maybe that's the reason
why I do not get such notifications except when someone specifically writes
something to me..

Maybe that's one way to not get email notifications from facebook.. just
don't sign off from it.. I think all of my contacts there know that I'm not
quick to respond to facebook messages except when I'm travelling when there
is nothing better to do in hotels..

Cheers




-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Ken Pritchard
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 9:17 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

Maybe one of the last - but not the last!  I made the mistake of creating a
facebook acct - never really use it.  But now I get all these msgs from
Facebook that I need to log in because someone has posted something - but
when I get up there - I can't find anything.  I think it's just a ploy to
have folks log in monthly to pad their stats.  Does anyone really look at
the advertisements on those sites?

-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Joe Martin D'Souza
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 12:23 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

I think I am one of the last persons to have created a YouTube account! That
I did only because a video I wanted to send to some of my friends of me
struggling to drill some ice while ice fishing at the Matanuska Lake at
Alaska, looked too funny not to share considering a local tour guide drilled
like it was nothing! Me and one of my project manager were literally
struggling to drill..

And this was only 2 months ago... It didn't even occur to me I could use
YouTube to publish that video, and I was thinking other old school stuff
like creating an FTP folder on my company FTP server

Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

[Ken Pritchard]

Haha (which is the older generation way of saying LOL).  Not quite there and
figure I'll be long retired before 80.  I've actually set a goal which is
less than 5 years out.  I plan on enjoying life.  Don't need much, just a
country way of life.

 

From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Susan Palmer
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 6:28 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

 

** 

Thank you Ken for making feel younger.  I have put a goal for retirement of
80 years old, which after reading your last post I'm thinking you've reached
that goal already!  

 

Susan  :) 

 

On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 4:42 PM, Ken Pritchard mailto:pri...@ptd.net> > wrote:

Folks know that usually the best way to get me is either email or phone
(call, not text).  Even my kids ask me why I don't text - I tell them about
the old days where if you wanted to make a phone call you had to walk a mile
to the corner store where the 'community' phone was.   I wonder if we could
survive a day without cell phones, email, etc.

Heck, it's Friday so I can say this...

In the old days (once we did get a phone) if it rang, everyone looked at one
another to decide who would answer it.  Truth was it might ring ten times
before someone answered it.  Nowadays folks can't be ten feet from their
phone and if they don't answer it by the second ring they think the world
will come to an end.  There wasn't any answering machines either - if you
weren't there, you never knew someone was trying to get hold of you - they
had to actually call back.

And yes - I grew up where there was no plumbing in the house (although we
did have electricity - most of the time).


-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG <mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG> ] On Behalf Of Joe
D'Souza

Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 5:36 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG <mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG> 
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

I created a facebook account just to check out pictures some of my friends
post on there of our get togethers and parties - so I can view them without
having them have to email them which they used to before facebook.. But now
having a iPhone app for it, I don't sign off it, so maybe that's the reason
why I do not get such notifications except when someone specifically writes
something to me..

Maybe that's one way to not get email notifications from facebook.. just
don't sign off from it.. I think all of my contacts there know that I'm not
quick to respond to facebook messages except when I'm travelling when there
is nothing better to do in hotels..

Cheers




-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG <mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG> ] On Behalf Of Ken
Pritchard
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 9:17 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG <mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG> 
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

Maybe one of the last - but not the last!  I made the mistake of creating a
facebook acct - never really use it.  But now I get all these msgs from
Facebook that I need to log in because someone has posted something - but
when I get up there - I can't find anything.  I think it's just a ploy to
have folks log in monthly to pad their stats.  Does anyone really look at
the advertisements on those sites?

-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG <mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG> ] On Behalf Of Joe
Martin D'Souza
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 12:23 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

I think I am one of the last persons to have created a YouTube account! That
I did only because a video I wanted to send to some of my friends of me
struggling to drill some ice while ice fishing at the Matanuska Lake at
Alaska, looked too funny not to share considering a local tour guide drilled
like it was nothing! Me and one of my project manager were literally
struggling to drill..

And this was only 2 months ago... It didn't even occur to me I could use
YouTube to publish that video, and I was thinking other old school stuff
like creating an FTP folder on my company FTP server...

Joe

-Original Message-
From: Howard Richter
Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 6:17 PM Newsgroups:
public.remedy.arsystem.general
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG <mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG> 
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

Joe,

Let me know when you post a YouTube of you on the Ukulele.

hbr

-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG <mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG> ] On Behalf Of Joe
D'Souza
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 11:32 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG <mailto:arslist@ARSLI

Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

[Ken Pritchard]

If I could figure out my way around the dern website I'd do that !

 

From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Rick Cook
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 5:48 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

 

** 

You can change the settings to turn off all notifications. Most of us do
that. 

Rick

On May 24, 2013 11:35 AM, "Joe D'Souza" mailto:jdso...@shyle.net> > wrote:

I created a facebook account just to check out pictures some of my friends
post on there of our get togethers and parties - so I can view them without
having them have to email them which they used to before facebook.. But now
having a iPhone app for it, I don't sign off it, so maybe that's the reason
why I do not get such notifications except when someone specifically writes
something to me..

Maybe that's one way to not get email notifications from facebook.. just
don't sign off from it.. I think all of my contacts there know that I'm not
quick to respond to facebook messages except when I'm travelling when there
is nothing better to do in hotels..

Cheers




-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG <mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG> ] On Behalf Of Ken
Pritchard
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 9:17 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG <mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG> 
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

Maybe one of the last - but not the last!  I made the mistake of creating a
facebook acct - never really use it.  But now I get all these msgs from
Facebook that I need to log in because someone has posted something - but
when I get up there - I can't find anything.  I think it's just a ploy to
have folks log in monthly to pad their stats.  Does anyone really look at
the advertisements on those sites?

-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG <mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG> ] On Behalf Of Joe
Martin D'Souza
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 12:23 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG <mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG> 
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

I think I am one of the last persons to have created a YouTube account! That
I did only because a video I wanted to send to some of my friends of me
struggling to drill some ice while ice fishing at the Matanuska Lake at
Alaska, looked too funny not to share considering a local tour guide drilled
like it was nothing! Me and one of my project manager were literally
struggling to drill..

And this was only 2 months ago... It didn't even occur to me I could use
YouTube to publish that video, and I was thinking other old school stuff
like creating an FTP folder on my company FTP server...

Joe

-Original Message-
From: Howard Richter
Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 6:17 PM Newsgroups:
public.remedy.arsystem.general
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG <mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG> 
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

Joe,

Let me know when you post a YouTube of you on the Ukulele.

hbr

-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG <mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG> ] On Behalf Of Joe
D'Souza
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 11:32 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG <mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG> 
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

I'm not even that close to retirement but for me I would like to not spend a
lot of time trying to learn something new that would sustain my living,
rather spend that time doing things I enjoy - lately its been photography
once again - I used to be into it a long time ago until DSLR's killed the
fun..

Another toy I have been increasingly become interested in is a Ukulele.

I can't imagine having to go through a significant amount of time not having
time for things like that just because you need to learn something new to do
for a living..

-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG <mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG> ] On Behalf Of
pritch
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 10:23 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG <mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG> 
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

When you get to within 5 years or so of retiring, you certainly want to!  We
'old dogs' that are up there and close to leaving the work force are not
real interested in learning new tricks.  If we need to in order to be
'rewarded' we will, but the rewards are increasingly less interesting.

- Original Message -
From: "Sylvain YVON" mailto:sylvain.y...@gmail.com>
>
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG <mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG> 
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 3:33:53 AM
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

**
I don't know, a developer and even a consultant should try and learn new
stuff every day. Maybe at 50 the flame is gon

Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

[Susan Palmer]

Thank you Ken for making feel younger.  I have put a goal for retirement of
80 years old, which after reading your last post I'm thinking you've
reached that goal already!

Susan  :)


On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 4:42 PM, Ken Pritchard  wrote:

> Folks know that usually the best way to get me is either email or phone
> (call, not text).  Even my kids ask me why I don't text - I tell them about
> the old days where if you wanted to make a phone call you had to walk a
> mile
> to the corner store where the 'community' phone was.   I wonder if we could
> survive a day without cell phones, email, etc.
>
> Heck, it's Friday so I can say this...
>
> In the old days (once we did get a phone) if it rang, everyone looked at
> one
> another to decide who would answer it.  Truth was it might ring ten times
> before someone answered it.  Nowadays folks can't be ten feet from their
> phone and if they don't answer it by the second ring they think the world
> will come to an end.  There wasn't any answering machines either - if you
> weren't there, you never knew someone was trying to get hold of you - they
> had to actually call back.
>
> And yes - I grew up where there was no plumbing in the house (although we
> did have electricity - most of the time).
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
> [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Joe D'Souza
> Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 5:36 PM
> To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
> Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?
>
> I created a facebook account just to check out pictures some of my friends
> post on there of our get togethers and parties - so I can view them without
> having them have to email them which they used to before facebook.. But now
> having a iPhone app for it, I don't sign off it, so maybe that's the reason
> why I do not get such notifications except when someone specifically writes
> something to me..
>
> Maybe that's one way to not get email notifications from facebook.. just
> don't sign off from it.. I think all of my contacts there know that I'm not
> quick to respond to facebook messages except when I'm travelling when there
> is nothing better to do in hotels..
>
> Cheers
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
> [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Ken Pritchard
> Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 9:17 AM
> To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
> Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?
>
> Maybe one of the last - but not the last!  I made the mistake of creating a
> facebook acct - never really use it.  But now I get all these msgs from
> Facebook that I need to log in because someone has posted something - but
> when I get up there - I can't find anything.  I think it's just a ploy to
> have folks log in monthly to pad their stats.  Does anyone really look at
> the advertisements on those sites?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
> [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Joe Martin D'Souza
> Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 12:23 AM
> To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
> Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?
>
> I think I am one of the last persons to have created a YouTube account!
> That
> I did only because a video I wanted to send to some of my friends of me
> struggling to drill some ice while ice fishing at the Matanuska Lake at
> Alaska, looked too funny not to share considering a local tour guide
> drilled
> like it was nothing! Me and one of my project manager were literally
> struggling to drill..
>
> And this was only 2 months ago... It didn't even occur to me I could use
> YouTube to publish that video, and I was thinking other old school stuff
> like creating an FTP folder on my company FTP server...
>
> Joe
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Howard Richter
> Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 6:17 PM Newsgroups:
> public.remedy.arsystem.general
> To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
> Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?
>
> Joe,
>
> Let me know when you post a YouTube of you on the Ukulele.
>
> hbr
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
> [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Joe D'Souza
> Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 11:32 PM
> To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
> Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?
>
> I'm not even that close to retirement but for me I would like to not spend
> a
> lot of time trying to learn something new that would sustain my living,
> rather spend that time doing things I enjoy - lately its been photography
> once again - I used t

Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

[Rick Cook]

You can change the settings to turn off all notifications. Most of us do
that.

Rick
On May 24, 2013 11:35 AM, "Joe D'Souza"  wrote:

> I created a facebook account just to check out pictures some of my friends
> post on there of our get togethers and parties - so I can view them without
> having them have to email them which they used to before facebook.. But now
> having a iPhone app for it, I don't sign off it, so maybe that's the reason
> why I do not get such notifications except when someone specifically writes
> something to me..
>
> Maybe that's one way to not get email notifications from facebook.. just
> don't sign off from it.. I think all of my contacts there know that I'm not
> quick to respond to facebook messages except when I'm travelling when there
> is nothing better to do in hotels..
>
> Cheers
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
> [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Ken Pritchard
> Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 9:17 AM
> To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
> Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?
>
> Maybe one of the last - but not the last!  I made the mistake of creating a
> facebook acct - never really use it.  But now I get all these msgs from
> Facebook that I need to log in because someone has posted something - but
> when I get up there - I can't find anything.  I think it's just a ploy to
> have folks log in monthly to pad their stats.  Does anyone really look at
> the advertisements on those sites?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
> [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Joe Martin D'Souza
> Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 12:23 AM
> To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
> Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?
>
> I think I am one of the last persons to have created a YouTube account!
> That
> I did only because a video I wanted to send to some of my friends of me
> struggling to drill some ice while ice fishing at the Matanuska Lake at
> Alaska, looked too funny not to share considering a local tour guide
> drilled
> like it was nothing! Me and one of my project manager were literally
> struggling to drill..
>
> And this was only 2 months ago... It didn't even occur to me I could use
> YouTube to publish that video, and I was thinking other old school stuff
> like creating an FTP folder on my company FTP server...
>
> Joe
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Howard Richter
> Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 6:17 PM Newsgroups:
> public.remedy.arsystem.general
> To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
> Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?
>
> Joe,
>
> Let me know when you post a YouTube of you on the Ukulele.
>
> hbr
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
> [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Joe D'Souza
> Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 11:32 PM
> To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
> Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?
>
> I'm not even that close to retirement but for me I would like to not spend
> a
> lot of time trying to learn something new that would sustain my living,
> rather spend that time doing things I enjoy - lately its been photography
> once again - I used to be into it a long time ago until DSLR's killed the
> fun..
>
> Another toy I have been increasingly become interested in is a Ukulele.
>
> I can't imagine having to go through a significant amount of time not
> having
> time for things like that just because you need to learn something new to
> do
> for a living..
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
> [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of pritch
> Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 10:23 AM
> To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
> Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?
>
> When you get to within 5 years or so of retiring, you certainly want to!
>  We
> 'old dogs' that are up there and close to leaving the work force are not
> real interested in learning new tricks.  If we need to in order to be
> 'rewarded' we will, but the rewards are increasingly less interesting.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Sylvain YVON" 
> To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
> Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 3:33:53 AM
> Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?
>
> **
> I don't know, a developer and even a consultant should try and learn new
> stuff every day. Maybe at 50 the flame is gone, but we can't rely on a
> single vendor for our careers on the long term, can we ?
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 9:35 PM, Joe D'Souza < jdso...@shyle.net &

Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

[Ken Pritchard]

Folks know that usually the best way to get me is either email or phone
(call, not text).  Even my kids ask me why I don't text - I tell them about
the old days where if you wanted to make a phone call you had to walk a mile
to the corner store where the 'community' phone was.   I wonder if we could
survive a day without cell phones, email, etc.

Heck, it's Friday so I can say this...

In the old days (once we did get a phone) if it rang, everyone looked at one
another to decide who would answer it.  Truth was it might ring ten times
before someone answered it.  Nowadays folks can't be ten feet from their
phone and if they don't answer it by the second ring they think the world
will come to an end.  There wasn't any answering machines either - if you
weren't there, you never knew someone was trying to get hold of you - they
had to actually call back.

And yes - I grew up where there was no plumbing in the house (although we
did have electricity - most of the time).

-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Joe D'Souza
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 5:36 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

I created a facebook account just to check out pictures some of my friends
post on there of our get togethers and parties - so I can view them without
having them have to email them which they used to before facebook.. But now
having a iPhone app for it, I don't sign off it, so maybe that's the reason
why I do not get such notifications except when someone specifically writes
something to me..

Maybe that's one way to not get email notifications from facebook.. just
don't sign off from it.. I think all of my contacts there know that I'm not
quick to respond to facebook messages except when I'm travelling when there
is nothing better to do in hotels..

Cheers




-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Ken Pritchard
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 9:17 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

Maybe one of the last - but not the last!  I made the mistake of creating a
facebook acct - never really use it.  But now I get all these msgs from
Facebook that I need to log in because someone has posted something - but
when I get up there - I can't find anything.  I think it's just a ploy to
have folks log in monthly to pad their stats.  Does anyone really look at
the advertisements on those sites?

-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Joe Martin D'Souza
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 12:23 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

I think I am one of the last persons to have created a YouTube account! That
I did only because a video I wanted to send to some of my friends of me
struggling to drill some ice while ice fishing at the Matanuska Lake at
Alaska, looked too funny not to share considering a local tour guide drilled
like it was nothing! Me and one of my project manager were literally
struggling to drill..

And this was only 2 months ago... It didn't even occur to me I could use
YouTube to publish that video, and I was thinking other old school stuff
like creating an FTP folder on my company FTP server...

Joe

-Original Message-
From: Howard Richter
Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 6:17 PM Newsgroups: 
public.remedy.arsystem.general
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

Joe,

Let me know when you post a YouTube of you on the Ukulele.

hbr

-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Joe D'Souza
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 11:32 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

I'm not even that close to retirement but for me I would like to not spend a
lot of time trying to learn something new that would sustain my living,
rather spend that time doing things I enjoy - lately its been photography
once again - I used to be into it a long time ago until DSLR's killed the
fun..

Another toy I have been increasingly become interested in is a Ukulele.

I can't imagine having to go through a significant amount of time not having
time for things like that just because you need to learn something new to do
for a living..

-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of pritch
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 10:23 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

When you get to within 5 years or so of retiring, you certainly want to!  We
'old dogs' that are up there and close to leaving the work force are not
real interested in learning new tricks.  If we nee

Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

[Joe D'Souza]

I created a facebook account just to check out pictures some of my friends
post on there of our get togethers and parties - so I can view them without
having them have to email them which they used to before facebook.. But now
having a iPhone app for it, I don't sign off it, so maybe that's the reason
why I do not get such notifications except when someone specifically writes
something to me..

Maybe that's one way to not get email notifications from facebook.. just
don't sign off from it.. I think all of my contacts there know that I'm not
quick to respond to facebook messages except when I'm travelling when there
is nothing better to do in hotels..

Cheers




-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Ken Pritchard
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 9:17 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

Maybe one of the last - but not the last!  I made the mistake of creating a
facebook acct - never really use it.  But now I get all these msgs from
Facebook that I need to log in because someone has posted something - but
when I get up there - I can't find anything.  I think it's just a ploy to
have folks log in monthly to pad their stats.  Does anyone really look at
the advertisements on those sites?

-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Joe Martin D'Souza
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 12:23 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

I think I am one of the last persons to have created a YouTube account! That
I did only because a video I wanted to send to some of my friends of me
struggling to drill some ice while ice fishing at the Matanuska Lake at
Alaska, looked too funny not to share considering a local tour guide drilled
like it was nothing! Me and one of my project manager were literally
struggling to drill..

And this was only 2 months ago... It didn't even occur to me I could use
YouTube to publish that video, and I was thinking other old school stuff
like creating an FTP folder on my company FTP server...

Joe

-Original Message-
From: Howard Richter
Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 6:17 PM Newsgroups: 
public.remedy.arsystem.general
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

Joe,

Let me know when you post a YouTube of you on the Ukulele.

hbr

-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Joe D'Souza
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 11:32 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

I'm not even that close to retirement but for me I would like to not spend a
lot of time trying to learn something new that would sustain my living,
rather spend that time doing things I enjoy - lately its been photography
once again - I used to be into it a long time ago until DSLR's killed the
fun..

Another toy I have been increasingly become interested in is a Ukulele.

I can't imagine having to go through a significant amount of time not having
time for things like that just because you need to learn something new to do
for a living..

-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of pritch
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 10:23 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

When you get to within 5 years or so of retiring, you certainly want to!  We
'old dogs' that are up there and close to leaving the work force are not
real interested in learning new tricks.  If we need to in order to be
'rewarded' we will, but the rewards are increasingly less interesting.

- Original Message -
From: "Sylvain YVON" 
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 3:33:53 AM
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

**
I don't know, a developer and even a consultant should try and learn new
stuff every day. Maybe at 50 the flame is gone, but we can't rely on a
single vendor for our careers on the long term, can we ?




On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 9:35 PM, Joe D'Souza < jdso...@shyle.net > wrote:


Unless off course the plan is to cash the cow while it still alive and well
with a who cares what happens to it after you get your money kind of an
attitude..

I, just like you, am hoping to not have to learn new tricks either for at
least as long as another decade.

Unless that trick happens to be around the Remedy Developer Studio as that
might give Jason, Rod and I, some more material to present at the RUG :)

Joe



-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: 
arslist@ARSLIST.ORG ] On Behalf Of Howard Richter
Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2013 10:02 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

Dan,

What all of my 

Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

[Ken Pritchard]

Maybe one of the last - but not the last!  I made the mistake of creating a 
facebook acct - never really use it.  But now I get all these msgs from 
Facebook that I need to log in because someone has posted something - but when 
I get up there - I can't find anything.  I think it's just a ploy to have folks 
log in monthly to pad their stats.  Does anyone really look at the 
advertisements on those sites?

-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Joe Martin D'Souza
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 12:23 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

I think I am one of the last persons to have created a YouTube account! That I 
did only because a video I wanted to send to some of my friends of me 
struggling to drill some ice while ice fishing at the Matanuska Lake at Alaska, 
looked too funny not to share considering a local tour guide drilled like it 
was nothing! Me and one of my project manager were literally struggling to 
drill..

And this was only 2 months ago... It didn't even occur to me I could use 
YouTube to publish that video, and I was thinking other old school stuff like 
creating an FTP folder on my company FTP server...

Joe

-Original Message-
From: Howard Richter
Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 6:17 PM Newsgroups: 
public.remedy.arsystem.general
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

Joe,

Let me know when you post a YouTube of you on the Ukulele.

hbr

-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Joe D'Souza
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 11:32 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

I'm not even that close to retirement but for me I would like to not spend a 
lot of time trying to learn something new that would sustain my living, rather 
spend that time doing things I enjoy - lately its been photography once again - 
I used to be into it a long time ago until DSLR's killed the fun..

Another toy I have been increasingly become interested in is a Ukulele.

I can't imagine having to go through a significant amount of time not having 
time for things like that just because you need to learn something new to do 
for a living..

-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of pritch
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 10:23 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

When you get to within 5 years or so of retiring, you certainly want to!  We 
'old dogs' that are up there and close to leaving the work force are not real 
interested in learning new tricks.  If we need to in order to be 'rewarded' we 
will, but the rewards are increasingly less interesting.

- Original Message -
From: "Sylvain YVON" 
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 3:33:53 AM
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

**
I don't know, a developer and even a consultant should try and learn new stuff 
every day. Maybe at 50 the flame is gone, but we can't rely on a single vendor 
for our careers on the long term, can we ?




On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 9:35 PM, Joe D'Souza < jdso...@shyle.net > wrote:


Unless off course the plan is to cash the cow while it still alive and well 
with a who cares what happens to it after you get your money kind of an 
attitude..

I, just like you, am hoping to not have to learn new tricks either for at least 
as long as another decade.

Unless that trick happens to be around the Remedy Developer Studio as that 
might give Jason, Rod and I, some more material to present at the RUG :)

Joe



-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: 
arslist@ARSLIST.ORG ] On Behalf Of Howard Richter
Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2013 10:02 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

Dan,

What all of my business classes and reading of the Wall Street Journal have 
taught me is that you need to have the plans in place before you make an offer 
on a company.

So I am sure that they had the plans drawn out of what they will be doing with 
Remedy and the other pieces of BMC, before they made the first offer.

And if Oracle was part of it, they reached out to them as well (either directly 
or indirectly).

I just want Remedy to be around for another 10 or so years, then I can retire 
and not need to learn something new. Its true what they say you can teach an 
old dog (or in this case Gator) new tricks.

Have a great weekend,

hbr

-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: 
arslist@ARSLIST.ORG ] On Behalf Of arslist
Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2013 12:20 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

I'll pretend it is Friday: Orac

Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

[Joe Martin D'Souza]

I think I am one of the last persons to have created a YouTube account! That 
I did only because a video I wanted to send to some of my friends of me 
struggling to drill some ice while ice fishing at the Matanuska Lake at 
Alaska, looked too funny not to share considering a local tour guide drilled 
like it was nothing! Me and one of my project manager were literally 
struggling to drill..


And this was only 2 months ago... It didn't even occur to me I could use 
YouTube to publish that video, and I was thinking other old school stuff 
like creating an FTP folder on my company FTP server...


Joe

-Original Message- 
From: Howard Richter
Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 6:17 PM Newsgroups: 
public.remedy.arsystem.general

To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

Joe,

Let me know when you post a YouTube of you on the Ukulele.

hbr

-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Joe D'Souza

Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 11:32 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

I'm not even that close to retirement but for me I would like to not spend a 
lot of time trying to learn something new that would sustain my living, 
rather spend that time doing things I enjoy - lately its been photography 
once again - I used to be into it a long time ago until DSLR's killed the 
fun..


Another toy I have been increasingly become interested in is a Ukulele.

I can't imagine having to go through a significant amount of time not having 
time for things like that just because you need to learn something new to do 
for a living..


-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of pritch

Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 10:23 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

When you get to within 5 years or so of retiring, you certainly want to!  We 
'old dogs' that are up there and close to leaving the work force are not 
real interested in learning new tricks.  If we need to in order to be 
'rewarded' we will, but the rewards are increasingly less interesting.


- Original Message -
From: "Sylvain YVON" 
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 3:33:53 AM
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

**
I don't know, a developer and even a consultant should try and learn new 
stuff every day. Maybe at 50 the flame is gone, but we can't rely on a 
single vendor for our careers on the long term, can we ?





On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 9:35 PM, Joe D'Souza < jdso...@shyle.net > wrote:


Unless off course the plan is to cash the cow while it still alive and well 
with a who cares what happens to it after you get your money kind of an 
attitude..


I, just like you, am hoping to not have to learn new tricks either for at 
least as long as another decade.


Unless that trick happens to be around the Remedy Developer Studio as that 
might give Jason, Rod and I, some more material to present at the RUG :)


Joe



-Original Message- 
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: 
arslist@ARSLIST.ORG ] On Behalf Of Howard Richter

Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2013 10:02 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

Dan,

What all of my business classes and reading of the Wall Street Journal have 
taught me is that you need to have the plans in place before you make an 
offer on a company.


So I am sure that they had the plans drawn out of what they will be doing 
with Remedy and the other pieces of BMC, before they made the first offer.


And if Oracle was part of it, they reached out to them as well (either 
directly or indirectly).


I just want Remedy to be around for another 10 or so years, then I can 
retire and not need to learn something new. Its true what they say you can 
teach an old dog (or in this case Gator) new tricks.


Have a great weekend,

hbr

-Original Message- 
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: 
arslist@ARSLIST.ORG ] On Behalf Of arslist

Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2013 12:20 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

I'll pretend it is Friday: Oracle World is coincidentally the week before 
WWRUG13. They could announce there and then everyone stays for a second 
week.


From what I read, the initial deal should close just around the time we hold 
our conference, so unless they are working the selling parts of BMC in the 
meantime, it is going to be 2014 before any of that happens, or does Bane, I 
mean Bain, have a track record of making these decisions quickly and before 
the deals close?


Dan

-Original Message- 
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: 
arslist@ARSLIST.ORG ] On Behalf Of Pierson, Shawn

Sent: May 9, 2013 8:42 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Sub

Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? (crazy idea)

[Joe Martin D'Souza]

While I agree with that the SQL server seems to be easier for certain things 
(case sensitivity being one of the biggest thing), Oracle is a lot more 
flexible when scripting selective type of backups and restores. I do not 
think that is even possible with MS-SQL. That’s a big winner when your 
database size gets to be ginormous, and you want to do selective type of 
backup and restore to refresh the production database to development, by 
bypassing large amounts of application data. That’s the side of Oracle that 
I personally love, which if someone told me is possible with MS-SQL, I'd 
probably switch my preference in a heart beat.


Joe

-Original Message- 
From: Pierson, Shawn
Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 9:28 AM Newsgroups: 
public.remedy.arsystem.general

To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? (crazy idea)

A lot of companies use both, but I also agree that SQL Server seems to be 
used for a lot more instances than Oracle.  I just did a quick look and it's 
hard to find solid statistics on database usage or licensing.  Oracle 
certainly makes more money off of databases than anyone else, but that's 
different than how widespread their utilization is.  Having worked with 
both, I prefer SQL Server.  For Remedy in particular, it seems to work 
better.  If Oracle were to become the owner of Remedy, I'm not sure what 
impact that would have.


Thanks,

Shawn Pierson
Remedy Developer | Energy Transfer


-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Joe D'Souza

Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 9:56 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? (crazy idea)

Do you really think its as high as 80%? I would have given Oracle a little 
more credit than that. At least I end up working at sites that are more 
Oracle centric to meet their database needs.


Cheers

Joe


-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Lee Cullom

Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 12:50 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? (crazy idea)

This is smart!  Oracle would love this because they get to dump BMC 
Analytics, replace it with an OBIEE "solution" and get more of a leg up in 
the BI market.  They're struggling in 4th place... and are trying to make it

up with acquisitions.   Not to mention the fact that Microsoft has been
pounding on them for years in the database market.  When I was with BMC in 
2003, 51% of Remedy customers were still on Oracle.  Of those, the top O/S 
was Solaris.  Now, I would guess that 80% of Remedy customers use SQL Server 
as the back-end.


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Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

[Joe Martin D'Souza]

Ha I wish! I'm just trying to learn to play that 4 string toy and just 
recently found out its significantly different from a regular guitar that 
I'm already familiar with!


Joe

-Original Message- 
From: Shellman, David
Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 8:45 AM Newsgroups: 
public.remedy.arsystem.general

To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

Joe,

Not sure how much money you can make playing the Ukulele.  Back in the 70's, 
Tiny Tim seemed to be able to make a living off playing one.  ;>)


Dave

-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Joe D'Souza

Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 11:32 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

I'm not even that close to retirement but for me I would like to not spend a 
lot of time trying to learn something new that would sustain my living, 
rather spend that time doing things I enjoy - lately its been photography 
once again - I used to be into it a long time ago until DSLR's killed the 
fun..


Another toy I have been increasingly become interested in is a Ukulele.

I can't imagine having to go through a significant amount of time not having 
time for things like that just because you need to learn something new to do 
for a living..


-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of pritch

Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 10:23 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

When you get to within 5 years or so of retiring, you certainly want to!  We 
'old dogs' that are up there and close to leaving the work force are not 
real interested in learning new tricks.  If we need to in order to be 
'rewarded' we will, but the rewards are increasingly less interesting.


- Original Message -
From: "Sylvain YVON" 
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 3:33:53 AM
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

**
I don't know, a developer and even a consultant should try and learn new 
stuff every day. Maybe at 50 the flame is gone, but we can't rely on a 
single vendor for our careers on the long term, can we ?





On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 9:35 PM, Joe D'Souza < jdso...@shyle.net > wrote:


Unless off course the plan is to cash the cow while it still alive and well 
with a who cares what happens to it after you get your money kind of an 
attitude..


I, just like you, am hoping to not have to learn new tricks either for at 
least as long as another decade.


Unless that trick happens to be around the Remedy Developer Studio as that 
might give Jason, Rod and I, some more material to present at the RUG :)


Joe



-Original Message- 
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: 
arslist@ARSLIST.ORG ] On Behalf Of Howard Richter

Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2013 10:02 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

Dan,

What all of my business classes and reading of the Wall Street Journal have 
taught me is that you need to have the plans in place before you make an 
offer on a company.


So I am sure that they had the plans drawn out of what they will be doing 
with Remedy and the other pieces of BMC, before they made the first offer.


And if Oracle was part of it, they reached out to them as well (either 
directly or indirectly).


I just want Remedy to be around for another 10 or so years, then I can 
retire and not need to learn something new. Its true what they say you can 
teach an old dog (or in this case Gator) new tricks.


Have a great weekend,

hbr

-Original Message- 
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: 
arslist@ARSLIST.ORG ] On Behalf Of arslist

Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2013 12:20 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

I'll pretend it is Friday: Oracle World is coincidentally the week before 
WWRUG13. They could announce there and then everyone stays for a second 
week.


From what I read, the initial deal should close just around the time we hold 
our conference, so unless they are working the selling parts of BMC in the 
meantime, it is going to be 2014 before any of that happens, or does Bane, I 
mean Bain, have a track record of making these decisions quickly and before 
the deals close?


Dan

-Original Message- 
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: 
arslist@ARSLIST.ORG ] On Behalf Of Pierson, Shawn

Sent: May 9, 2013 8:42 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

I'm curious, why would Remedy being sold to SAP or Oracle be a negative 
thing in your opinion?  I think it's big enough that it wouldn't be 
swallowed up inside of one of their applications (how long has it taken 
Oracle to combine the eBusiness Suite with PeopleSoft

Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? (crazy idea)

[Howard Richter]

The new home of RUG or ORUG?

 

 

From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Rick Cook
Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 6:18 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? (crazy idea)

 

** 

He could hold it on the Hawaiian island of Lanai, which he recently
purchased. 

Rick

On May 23, 2013 12:16 PM, "Howard Richter"  wrote:

So if that is correct Oracle could go after Amazon/Microsoft/SAP by writing
one check.

Larry must be planning a very large party, if this works the way we have
planned.

hbr

-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Lee Cullom
Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 12:23 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? (crazy idea)

I tried to be conservative with the 80%.  I really believe it is accurate.
It's also attested to by Microsoft's financials.  They're growth in the
Server business unit has been between 15-20% in many consecutive quarters.
That particular business unit is a stand-out when compared to some of the
other business units that contain the O/S & xBOX (I forget their names).

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-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Joe D'Souza
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 10:56 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? (crazy idea)

Do you really think its as high as 80%? I would have given Oracle a little
more credit than that. At least I end up working at sites that are more
Oracle centric to meet their database needs.

Cheers

Joe


-Original Message-
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[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Lee Cullom
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 12:50 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? (crazy idea)

This is smart!  Oracle would love this because they get to dump BMC
Analytics, replace it with an OBIEE "solution" and get more of a leg up in
the BI market.  They're struggling in 4th place... and are trying to make it
up with acquisitions.   Not to mention the fact that Microsoft has been
pounding on them for years in the database market.  When I was with BMC in
2003, 51% of Remedy customers were still on Oracle.  Of those, the top O/S
was Solaris.  Now, I would guess that 80% of Remedy customers use SQL Server
as the back-end.


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Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? (crazy idea)

[Rick Cook]

He could hold it on the Hawaiian island of Lanai, which he recently
purchased.

Rick
On May 23, 2013 12:16 PM, "Howard Richter"  wrote:

> So if that is correct Oracle could go after Amazon/Microsoft/SAP by writing
> one check.
>
> Larry must be planning a very large party, if this works the way we have
> planned.
>
> hbr
>
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> [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Lee Cullom
> Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 12:23 PM
> To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
> Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? (crazy idea)
>
> I tried to be conservative with the 80%.  I really believe it is accurate.
> It's also attested to by Microsoft's financials.  They're growth in the
> Server business unit has been between 15-20% in many consecutive quarters.
> That particular business unit is a stand-out when compared to some of the
> other business units that contain the O/S & xBOX (I forget their names).
>
> For our latest product demonstrations, please visit -
> http://www.youtube.com/user/northcraftanalytics
>
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> [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Joe D'Souza
> Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 10:56 PM
> To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
> Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? (crazy idea)
>
> Do you really think its as high as 80%? I would have given Oracle a little
> more credit than that. At least I end up working at sites that are more
> Oracle centric to meet their database needs.
>
> Cheers
>
> Joe
>
>
> -Original Message-----
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> [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Lee Cullom
> Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 12:50 PM
> To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
> Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? (crazy idea)
>
> This is smart!  Oracle would love this because they get to dump BMC
> Analytics, replace it with an OBIEE "solution" and get more of a leg up in
> the BI market.  They're struggling in 4th place... and are trying to make
> it
> up with acquisitions.   Not to mention the fact that Microsoft has been
> pounding on them for years in the database market.  When I was with BMC in
> 2003, 51% of Remedy customers were still on Oracle.  Of those, the top O/S
> was Solaris.  Now, I would guess that 80% of Remedy customers use SQL
> Server
> as the back-end.
>
>
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Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

[Howard Richter]

Joe,

Let me know when you post a YouTube of you on the Ukulele.  

hbr

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From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Joe D'Souza
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 11:32 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

I'm not even that close to retirement but for me I would like to not spend a 
lot of time trying to learn something new that would sustain my living, rather 
spend that time doing things I enjoy - lately its been photography once again - 
I used to be into it a long time ago until DSLR's killed the fun..

Another toy I have been increasingly become interested in is a Ukulele.

I can't imagine having to go through a significant amount of time not having 
time for things like that just because you need to learn something new to do 
for a living..

-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of pritch
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 10:23 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

When you get to within 5 years or so of retiring, you certainly want to!  We 
'old dogs' that are up there and close to leaving the work force are not real 
interested in learning new tricks.  If we need to in order to be 'rewarded' we 
will, but the rewards are increasingly less interesting.  

- Original Message -
From: "Sylvain YVON" 
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 3:33:53 AM
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

** 
I don't know, a developer and even a consultant should try and learn new stuff 
every day. Maybe at 50 the flame is gone, but we can't rely on a single vendor 
for our careers on the long term, can we ? 




On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 9:35 PM, Joe D'Souza < jdso...@shyle.net > wrote: 


Unless off course the plan is to cash the cow while it still alive and well 
with a who cares what happens to it after you get your money kind of an 
attitude.. 

I, just like you, am hoping to not have to learn new tricks either for at least 
as long as another decade. 

Unless that trick happens to be around the Remedy Developer Studio as that 
might give Jason, Rod and I, some more material to present at the RUG :) 

Joe 



-Original Message- 
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: 
arslist@ARSLIST.ORG ] On Behalf Of Howard Richter 
Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2013 10:02 PM 
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG 
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? 

Dan, 

What all of my business classes and reading of the Wall Street Journal have 
taught me is that you need to have the plans in place before you make an offer 
on a company. 

So I am sure that they had the plans drawn out of what they will be doing with 
Remedy and the other pieces of BMC, before they made the first offer. 

And if Oracle was part of it, they reached out to them as well (either directly 
or indirectly). 

I just want Remedy to be around for another 10 or so years, then I can retire 
and not need to learn something new. Its true what they say you can teach an 
old dog (or in this case Gator) new tricks. 

Have a great weekend, 

hbr 

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From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: 
arslist@ARSLIST.ORG ] On Behalf Of arslist 
Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2013 12:20 PM 
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG 
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? 

I'll pretend it is Friday: Oracle World is coincidentally the week before 
WWRUG13. They could announce there and then everyone stays for a second week. 

>From what I read, the initial deal should close just around the time we hold 
>our conference, so unless they are working the selling parts of BMC in the 
>meantime, it is going to be 2014 before any of that happens, or does Bane, I 
>mean Bain, have a track record of making these decisions quickly and before 
>the deals close? 

Dan 

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From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: 
arslist@ARSLIST.ORG ] On Behalf Of Pierson, Shawn 
Sent: May 9, 2013 8:42 AM 
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG 
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? 

I'm curious, why would Remedy being sold to SAP or Oracle be a negative thing 
in your opinion?  I think it's big enough that it wouldn't be swallowed up 
inside of one of their applications (how long has it taken Oracle to combine 
the eBusiness Suite with PeopleSoft despite the products directly competing?)  
I can see if support deteriorates, maintenance goes up, or some other unknown 
odd factor, but it seems to me like it might be an opportunity for Remedy to be 
implemented in shops that may not have a good ITSM solution but already have 
installs of SAP, Oracle, or whoever hypothetically buys Remedy.  If that's a 
pessimistic scenario it doesn't seem too bad to me. 

Thanks, 

Shawn Pierson 
R

Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? (crazy idea)

[Howard Richter]

So if that is correct Oracle could go after Amazon/Microsoft/SAP by writing
one check.

Larry must be planning a very large party, if this works the way we have
planned.

hbr

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From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Lee Cullom
Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 12:23 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? (crazy idea)

I tried to be conservative with the 80%.  I really believe it is accurate.
It's also attested to by Microsoft's financials.  They're growth in the
Server business unit has been between 15-20% in many consecutive quarters.
That particular business unit is a stand-out when compared to some of the
other business units that contain the O/S & xBOX (I forget their names).  

For our latest product demonstrations, please visit -
http://www.youtube.com/user/northcraftanalytics

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[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Joe D'Souza
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 10:56 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? (crazy idea)

Do you really think its as high as 80%? I would have given Oracle a little
more credit than that. At least I end up working at sites that are more
Oracle centric to meet their database needs.

Cheers

Joe


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Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 12:50 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? (crazy idea)

This is smart!  Oracle would love this because they get to dump BMC
Analytics, replace it with an OBIEE "solution" and get more of a leg up in
the BI market.  They're struggling in 4th place... and are trying to make it
up with acquisitions.   Not to mention the fact that Microsoft has been
pounding on them for years in the database market.  When I was with BMC in
2003, 51% of Remedy customers were still on Oracle.  Of those, the top O/S
was Solaris.  Now, I would guess that 80% of Remedy customers use SQL Server
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Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? (crazy idea)

[Lee Cullom]

I tried to be conservative with the 80%.  I really believe it is accurate.  
It's also attested to by Microsoft's financials.  They're growth in the Server 
business unit has been between 15-20% in many consecutive quarters.  That 
particular business unit is a stand-out when compared to some of the other 
business units that contain the O/S & xBOX (I forget their names).  

For our latest product demonstrations, please visit - 
http://www.youtube.com/user/northcraftanalytics

Lee Cullom | Northcraft Analytics
IT Metrics Specialist | Business Intelligence for ITSM
Direct - 678-438-7244 | lee.cul...@northcraftanalytics.com 
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-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Joe D'Souza
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 10:56 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? (crazy idea)

Do you really think its as high as 80%? I would have given Oracle a little more 
credit than that. At least I end up working at sites that are more Oracle 
centric to meet their database needs.

Cheers

Joe


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[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Lee Cullom
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 12:50 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? (crazy idea)

This is smart!  Oracle would love this because they get to dump BMC Analytics, 
replace it with an OBIEE "solution" and get more of a leg up in the BI market.  
They're struggling in 4th place... and are trying to make it
up with acquisitions.   Not to mention the fact that Microsoft has been
pounding on them for years in the database market.  When I was with BMC in 
2003, 51% of Remedy customers were still on Oracle.  Of those, the top O/S was 
Solaris.  Now, I would guess that 80% of Remedy customers use SQL Server as the 
back-end.

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Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? (crazy idea)

[Hennigan, Sandra]

I prefer SQL as well. 

When Remedy backends to Oracle, I need a DBA to provide assistance. And this is 
great if you have a full Oracle shop in the organization. When Remedy backends 
to SQL, I (generally) do not need a DBA to assist. With SQL, I can setup the 
back-up schedule, do backup on the fly or restore a database between 
environments without impacting anyone else's time. With Oracle, I have to 
schedule all these tasks with the Oracle shop in advance of the activity. 

SQL also allows data to not be case specific.

Thank you,

Sandra Hennigan
Remedy Developer

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[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Pierson, Shawn
Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 9:28 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? (crazy idea)

A lot of companies use both, but I also agree that SQL Server seems to be used 
for a lot more instances than Oracle.  I just did a quick look and it's hard to 
find solid statistics on database usage or licensing.  Oracle certainly makes 
more money off of databases than anyone else, but that's different than how 
widespread their utilization is.  Having worked with both, I prefer SQL Server. 
 For Remedy in particular, it seems to work better.  If Oracle were to become 
the owner of Remedy, I'm not sure what impact that would have.

Thanks,

Shawn Pierson 
Remedy Developer | Energy Transfer


-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Joe D'Souza
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 9:56 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? (crazy idea)

Do you really think its as high as 80%? I would have given Oracle a little more 
credit than that. At least I end up working at sites that are more Oracle 
centric to meet their database needs.

Cheers

Joe


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[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Lee Cullom
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 12:50 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? (crazy idea)

This is smart!  Oracle would love this because they get to dump BMC Analytics, 
replace it with an OBIEE "solution" and get more of a leg up in the BI market.  
They're struggling in 4th place... and are trying to make it
up with acquisitions.   Not to mention the fact that Microsoft has been
pounding on them for years in the database market.  When I was with BMC in 
2003, 51% of Remedy customers were still on Oracle.  Of those, the top O/S was 
Solaris.  Now, I would guess that 80% of Remedy customers use SQL Server as the 
back-end.

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Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? (crazy idea)

[Pierson, Shawn]

A lot of companies use both, but I also agree that SQL Server seems to be used 
for a lot more instances than Oracle.  I just did a quick look and it's hard to 
find solid statistics on database usage or licensing.  Oracle certainly makes 
more money off of databases than anyone else, but that's different than how 
widespread their utilization is.  Having worked with both, I prefer SQL Server. 
 For Remedy in particular, it seems to work better.  If Oracle were to become 
the owner of Remedy, I'm not sure what impact that would have.

Thanks,

Shawn Pierson
Remedy Developer | Energy Transfer


-Original Message-
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[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Joe D'Souza
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 9:56 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? (crazy idea)

Do you really think its as high as 80%? I would have given Oracle a little more 
credit than that. At least I end up working at sites that are more Oracle 
centric to meet their database needs.

Cheers

Joe


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Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 12:50 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? (crazy idea)

This is smart!  Oracle would love this because they get to dump BMC Analytics, 
replace it with an OBIEE "solution" and get more of a leg up in the BI market.  
They're struggling in 4th place... and are trying to make it
up with acquisitions.   Not to mention the fact that Microsoft has been
pounding on them for years in the database market.  When I was with BMC in 
2003, 51% of Remedy customers were still on Oracle.  Of those, the top O/S was 
Solaris.  Now, I would guess that 80% of Remedy customers use SQL Server as the 
back-end.

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Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

[Shellman, David]

Joe,

Not sure how much money you can make playing the Ukulele.  Back in the 70's, 
Tiny Tim seemed to be able to make a living off playing one.  ;>)

Dave

-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Joe D'Souza
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 11:32 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

I'm not even that close to retirement but for me I would like to not spend a 
lot of time trying to learn something new that would sustain my living, rather 
spend that time doing things I enjoy - lately its been photography once again - 
I used to be into it a long time ago until DSLR's killed the fun..

Another toy I have been increasingly become interested in is a Ukulele.

I can't imagine having to go through a significant amount of time not having 
time for things like that just because you need to learn something new to do 
for a living..

-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of pritch
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 10:23 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

When you get to within 5 years or so of retiring, you certainly want to!  We 
'old dogs' that are up there and close to leaving the work force are not real 
interested in learning new tricks.  If we need to in order to be 'rewarded' we 
will, but the rewards are increasingly less interesting.  

- Original Message -
From: "Sylvain YVON" 
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 3:33:53 AM
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

** 
I don't know, a developer and even a consultant should try and learn new stuff 
every day. Maybe at 50 the flame is gone, but we can't rely on a single vendor 
for our careers on the long term, can we ? 




On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 9:35 PM, Joe D'Souza < jdso...@shyle.net > wrote: 


Unless off course the plan is to cash the cow while it still alive and well 
with a who cares what happens to it after you get your money kind of an 
attitude.. 

I, just like you, am hoping to not have to learn new tricks either for at least 
as long as another decade. 

Unless that trick happens to be around the Remedy Developer Studio as that 
might give Jason, Rod and I, some more material to present at the RUG :) 

Joe 



-Original Message- 
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: 
arslist@ARSLIST.ORG ] On Behalf Of Howard Richter 
Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2013 10:02 PM 
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG 
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? 

Dan, 

What all of my business classes and reading of the Wall Street Journal have 
taught me is that you need to have the plans in place before you make an offer 
on a company. 

So I am sure that they had the plans drawn out of what they will be doing with 
Remedy and the other pieces of BMC, before they made the first offer. 

And if Oracle was part of it, they reached out to them as well (either directly 
or indirectly). 

I just want Remedy to be around for another 10 or so years, then I can retire 
and not need to learn something new. Its true what they say you can teach an 
old dog (or in this case Gator) new tricks. 

Have a great weekend, 

hbr 

-Original Message- 
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: 
arslist@ARSLIST.ORG ] On Behalf Of arslist 
Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2013 12:20 PM 
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG 
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? 

I'll pretend it is Friday: Oracle World is coincidentally the week before 
WWRUG13. They could announce there and then everyone stays for a second week. 

From what I read, the initial deal should close just around the time we hold 
our conference, so unless they are working the selling parts of BMC in the 
meantime, it is going to be 2014 before any of that happens, or does Bane, I 
mean Bain, have a track record of making these decisions quickly and before the 
deals close? 

Dan 

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From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: 
arslist@ARSLIST.ORG ] On Behalf Of Pierson, Shawn 
Sent: May 9, 2013 8:42 AM 
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG 
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? 

I'm curious, why would Remedy being sold to SAP or Oracle be a negative thing 
in your opinion?  I think it's big enough that it wouldn't be swallowed up 
inside of one of their applications (how long has it taken Oracle to combine 
the eBusiness Suite with PeopleSoft despite the products directly competing?)  
I can see if support deteriorates, maintenance goes up, or some other unknown 
odd factor, but it seems to me like it might be an opportunity for Remedy to be 
implemented in shops that may not have a good ITSM solution but already have 
installs of SAP, Oracle, or whoever hypothetically buys Remedy.  If that's a 
pessimist

Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

[Joe D'Souza]

I'm not even that close to retirement but for me I would like to not spend a 
lot of time trying to learn something new that would sustain my living, rather 
spend that time doing things I enjoy - lately its been photography once again - 
I used to be into it a long time ago until DSLR's killed the fun..

Another toy I have been increasingly become interested in is a Ukulele.

I can't imagine having to go through a significant amount of time not having 
time for things like that just because you need to learn something new to do 
for a living..

-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of pritch
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 10:23 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

When you get to within 5 years or so of retiring, you certainly want to!  We 
'old dogs' that are up there and close to leaving the work force are not real 
interested in learning new tricks.  If we need to in order to be 'rewarded' we 
will, but the rewards are increasingly less interesting.  

- Original Message -
From: "Sylvain YVON" 
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 3:33:53 AM
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

** 
I don't know, a developer and even a consultant should try and learn new stuff 
every day. Maybe at 50 the flame is gone, but we can't rely on a single vendor 
for our careers on the long term, can we ? 




On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 9:35 PM, Joe D'Souza < jdso...@shyle.net > wrote: 


Unless off course the plan is to cash the cow while it still alive and well 
with a who cares what happens to it after you get your money kind of an 
attitude.. 

I, just like you, am hoping to not have to learn new tricks either for at least 
as long as another decade. 

Unless that trick happens to be around the Remedy Developer Studio as that 
might give Jason, Rod and I, some more material to present at the RUG :) 

Joe 



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From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: 
arslist@ARSLIST.ORG ] On Behalf Of Howard Richter 
Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2013 10:02 PM 
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG 
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? 

Dan, 

What all of my business classes and reading of the Wall Street Journal have 
taught me is that you need to have the plans in place before you make an offer 
on a company. 

So I am sure that they had the plans drawn out of what they will be doing with 
Remedy and the other pieces of BMC, before they made the first offer. 

And if Oracle was part of it, they reached out to them as well (either directly 
or indirectly). 

I just want Remedy to be around for another 10 or so years, then I can retire 
and not need to learn something new. Its true what they say you can teach an 
old dog (or in this case Gator) new tricks. 

Have a great weekend, 

hbr 

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arslist@ARSLIST.ORG ] On Behalf Of arslist 
Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2013 12:20 PM 
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG 
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? 

I'll pretend it is Friday: Oracle World is coincidentally the week before 
WWRUG13. They could announce there and then everyone stays for a second week. 

>From what I read, the initial deal should close just around the time we hold 
>our conference, so unless they are working the selling parts of BMC in the 
>meantime, it is going to be 2014 before any of that happens, or does Bane, I 
>mean Bain, have a track record of making these decisions quickly and before 
>the deals close? 

Dan 

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arslist@ARSLIST.ORG ] On Behalf Of Pierson, Shawn 
Sent: May 9, 2013 8:42 AM 
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG 
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? 

I'm curious, why would Remedy being sold to SAP or Oracle be a negative thing 
in your opinion?  I think it's big enough that it wouldn't be swallowed up 
inside of one of their applications (how long has it taken Oracle to combine 
the eBusiness Suite with PeopleSoft despite the products directly competing?)  
I can see if support deteriorates, maintenance goes up, or some other unknown 
odd factor, but it seems to me like it might be an opportunity for Remedy to be 
implemented in shops that may not have a good ITSM solution but already have 
installs of SAP, Oracle, or whoever hypothetically buys Remedy.  If that's a 
pessimistic scenario it doesn't seem too bad to me. 

Thanks, 

Shawn Pierson 
Remedy Developer | Energy Transfer 


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From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: 
arslist@ARSLIST.ORG ] On Behalf Of Lee Cullom 
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 6:07 AM 
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG 
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? 

Since it's incredibly fun to spec

Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? (crazy idea)

[Joe D'Souza]

Do you really think its as high as 80%? I would have given Oracle a little
more credit than that. At least I end up working at sites that are more
Oracle centric to meet their database needs.

Cheers

Joe


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[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Lee Cullom
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 12:50 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? (crazy idea)

This is smart!  Oracle would love this because they get to dump BMC
Analytics, replace it with an OBIEE "solution" and get more of a leg up in
the BI market.  They're struggling in 4th place... and are trying to make it
up with acquisitions.   Not to mention the fact that Microsoft has been
pounding on them for years in the database market.  When I was with BMC in
2003, 51% of Remedy customers were still on Oracle.  Of those, the top O/S
was Solaris.  Now, I would guess that 80% of Remedy customers use SQL Server
as the back-end.

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Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? (crazy idea)

[Lee Cullom]

Totally fits.  It just makes sense.  If I were SAP, I wouldn't let it happen... 
therefore... bidding war over Remedy and relevant pieces between the 2 
companies.  Who will win?  I think Oracle because they have a better balance 
sheet.  Plus, Larry Ellison just loves to stick it to competitors.  And SAP has 
got to be at the top of his list.

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[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Howard Richter
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 1:06 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? (crazy idea)

How about an Oracle Cloud as well?

Sent from my iPhone 5

On May 22, 2013, at 12:49 PM, Lee Cullom  
wrote:

> This is smart!  Oracle would love this because they get to dump BMC 
> Analytics, replace it with an OBIEE "solution" and get more of a leg up in 
> the BI market.  They're struggling in 4th place... and are trying to make it 
> up with acquisitions.   Not to mention the fact that Microsoft has been 
> pounding on them for years in the database market.  When I was with BMC in 
> 2003, 51% of Remedy customers were still on Oracle.  Of those, the top O/S 
> was Solaris.  Now, I would guess that 80% of Remedy customers use SQL Server 
> as the back-end.
> 
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[Howard Richter]

How about an Oracle Cloud as well?

Sent from my iPhone 5

On May 22, 2013, at 12:49 PM, Lee Cullom  
wrote:

> This is smart!  Oracle would love this because they get to dump BMC 
> Analytics, replace it with an OBIEE "solution" and get more of a leg up in 
> the BI market.  They're struggling in 4th place... and are trying to make it 
> up with acquisitions.   Not to mention the fact that Microsoft has been 
> pounding on them for years in the database market.  When I was with BMC in 
> 2003, 51% of Remedy customers were still on Oracle.  Of those, the top O/S 
> was Solaris.  Now, I would guess that 80% of Remedy customers use SQL Server 
> as the back-end.
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[Lee Cullom]

This is smart!  Oracle would love this because they get to dump BMC Analytics, 
replace it with an OBIEE "solution" and get more of a leg up in the BI market.  
They're struggling in 4th place... and are trying to make it up with 
acquisitions.   Not to mention the fact that Microsoft has been pounding on 
them for years in the database market.  When I was with BMC in 2003, 51% of 
Remedy customers were still on Oracle.  Of those, the top O/S was Solaris.  
Now, I would guess that 80% of Remedy customers use SQL Server as the back-end.

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[Lee Cullom]

Howard's  right.  Keep in mind that ServiceNow has as many customers around the 
world as Remedy has in the US.  Not to mention the fact that the Service 
Management business unit revenue grew double-digits last year.  The reason it 
seems scary is because the perpetual licenses are being cannibalized by SaaS 
revenue.  However, SaaS (leasing!) brings more profit along with it.

So, don't ring the doomsday bell just yet.  Also, can you think of any one 
enterprise application that has over 50% market share?

The only one that comes to mind for me is:

Mercury Quality Center.  It hit a max of 68% market share in the Mercury days.  
I'm talking enterprise apps?  Anyone else?  Think about Salesforce.com... even 
though they have $3billion in revenue, Siebel lives.  So does Peoplesoft for 
that matter.  CRM is a larger and mature market than ITSM, so it can be used as 
a predictor for what is likely to happen here.  

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[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Howard Richter
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 8:25 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

At the end of the day, Remedy will be in use by many. 

It will take us older (and better looking) men and women, to teach the young 
whippersnappers how to work on this wonderful thing we call Remedy.

Now time for my nap.

hbr

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From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of pritch
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 5:18 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

I earned my grey hair (and my senior discounts).  I'm proud of it.  And, as I 
told my 'baby' on his milestone birthday yesterday, I'm aiming for the time 
when I can ride into the sunset.

AND... I agree with the screwdriver analogy.  I never stop at only drinking one.

- Original Message -
From: "Jim Manara" 
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 3:43:59 PM
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

My hair is not gray!  What you see is the sunlight reflecting off the natural 
highlights in my hair.  Even indoors.

I have passed many mile markers.  If you can't stay flexible, then the race 
gets harder.  Everyone needs different tools.  More important is recognizing 
when to use them.

How many of you own only one screwdriver?

Jim Manara
jim.man...@thecambiaregroup.com
480-273-0934

Growth is Change,
Change is Cambiare!

> Heh. I only just passed that marker on the road and plan to be working 
> for many more years. I know the flame changes in nature, but if it 
> goes out I'm in trouble. 8)
>
> Depending on one vendor for more than three or four years is folly. 
> I'm constantly impressed the Remedy product line has lasted as long as 
> it has, but it has changed a lot over the years. To keep working in 
> this niche, my 'flame' has already changed a number of times. While I 
> hope it continues, I try to make sure I have reserve options. Someone 
> is going to have to teach the process after it all goes into the 
> cloud, right? While I'm sure the vendor will try to milk that need, 
> there is nothing quite like a friendly face on site who isn't 
> motivated to
up-sell.
>
> -al
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
> [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Sylvain YVON
> Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 12:34 AM
> To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
> Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?
>
> **
> I don't know, a developer and even a consultant should try and learn 
> new stuff every day. Maybe at 50 the flame is gone, but we can't rely 
> on a single vendor for our careers on the long term, can we ?
>
>
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Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

[Rem_Developer]

When the news broke and which was kind of anticipated.. I believed it’s just a 
financial decision and such big financial decisions always come out of personal 
perspective.. and it’s always the people who make the technology and business 
flourish..

With so many of great people here.. (and I mean it), I like to hope that we 
have a long way to go..  (Hoping doesn’t require your hair to be grey ☺ )..

Dhananjay
From: Joshua Schuller [via ARS (Action Request System)] 
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Sent: 22 May 2013 10:28
To: Dhananjay Deshpande
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

**
That is not a bad point.However, folks should also consider the big 
picture.  Just think about what are you doing for discovery and run book 
automation?   Monitoring?

One big caution is that some alternate ITSM providers are just "checking a box" 
as far as saying "we have that."  Pull the covers and then LOL.  Guess what, 
you are *required* to customize their Out-of-the-Box and nothing comes for free 
(even for a basic implementation).

Still if you are all about custom (and on this list) then you already realize 
the inherent power of AR System Powered Apps has not been recently 
high-lighted.  Remember the Remedy "Your Business, Your Way" slogan if that 
rings a bell?

Cheers,

Joshua Schuller
ph: 1.347.220.5979


On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 3:43 PM, Jim Manara <[hidden 
email]> wrote:
My hair is not gray!  What you see is the sunlight reflecting off the
natural highlights in my hair.  Even indoors.

I have passed many mile markers.  If you can't stay flexible, then the
race gets harder.  Everyone needs different tools.  More important is
recognizing when to use them.

How many of you own only one screwdriver?

Jim Manara
[hidden email]
480-273-0934

Growth is Change,
Change is Cambiare!

> Heh. I only just passed that marker on the road and plan to be working for
> many more years. I know the flame changes in nature, but if it goes out
> I'm in trouble. 8)
>
> Depending on one vendor for more than three or four years is folly. I'm
> constantly impressed the Remedy product line has lasted as long as it has,
> but it has changed a lot over the years. To keep working in this niche, my
> 'flame' has already changed a number of times. While I hope it continues,
> I try to make sure I have reserve options. Someone is going to have to
> teach the process after it all goes into the cloud, right? While I'm sure
> the vendor will try to milk that need, there is nothing quite like a
> friendly face on site who isn't motivated to up-sell.
>
> -al
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On 
> Behalf Of Sylvain YVON
> Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 12:34 AM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?
>
> **
> I don't know, a developer and even a consultant should try and learn new
> stuff every day. Maybe at 50 the flame is gone, but we can't rely on a
> single vendor for our careers on the long term, can we ?
>
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Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

[Joshua Schuller]

That is not a bad point.However, folks should also consider the big
picture.  Just think about what are you doing for discovery and run book
automation?   Monitoring?

One big caution is that some alternate ITSM providers are just "checking a
box" as far as saying "we have that."  Pull the covers and then LOL.  Guess
what, you are *required* to customize their Out-of-the-Box and nothing
comes for free (even for a basic implementation).

Still if you are all about custom (and on this list) then you already
realize the inherent power of AR System Powered Apps has not been recently
high-lighted.  Remember the Remedy "Your Business, Your Way" slogan if that
rings a bell?

Cheers,

Joshua Schuller
ph: 1.347.220.5979



On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 3:43 PM, Jim Manara  wrote:

> My hair is not gray!  What you see is the sunlight reflecting off the
> natural highlights in my hair.  Even indoors.
>
> I have passed many mile markers.  If you can't stay flexible, then the
> race gets harder.  Everyone needs different tools.  More important is
> recognizing when to use them.
>
> How many of you own only one screwdriver?
>
> Jim Manara
> jim.man...@thecambiaregroup.com
> 480-273-0934
>
> Growth is Change,
> Change is Cambiare!
>
> > Heh. I only just passed that marker on the road and plan to be working
> for
> > many more years. I know the flame changes in nature, but if it goes out
> > I'm in trouble. 8)
> >
> > Depending on one vendor for more than three or four years is folly. I'm
> > constantly impressed the Remedy product line has lasted as long as it
> has,
> > but it has changed a lot over the years. To keep working in this niche,
> my
> > 'flame' has already changed a number of times. While I hope it continues,
> > I try to make sure I have reserve options. Someone is going to have to
> > teach the process after it all goes into the cloud, right? While I'm sure
> > the vendor will try to milk that need, there is nothing quite like a
> > friendly face on site who isn't motivated to up-sell.
> >
> > -al
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
> > [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Sylvain YVON
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 12:34 AM
> > To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
> > Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?
> >
> > **
> > I don't know, a developer and even a consultant should try and learn new
> > stuff every day. Maybe at 50 the flame is gone, but we can't rely on a
> > single vendor for our careers on the long term, can we ?
> >
> >
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Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

[Howard Richter]

At the end of the day, Remedy will be in use by many. 

It will take us older (and better looking) men and women, to teach the young
whippersnappers how to work on this wonderful thing we call Remedy.

Now time for my nap.

hbr

-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of pritch
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 5:18 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

I earned my grey hair (and my senior discounts).  I'm proud of it.  And, as
I told my 'baby' on his milestone birthday yesterday, I'm aiming for the
time when I can ride into the sunset.

AND... I agree with the screwdriver analogy.  I never stop at only drinking
one.

- Original Message -
From: "Jim Manara" 
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 3:43:59 PM
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

My hair is not gray!  What you see is the sunlight reflecting off the
natural highlights in my hair.  Even indoors.

I have passed many mile markers.  If you can't stay flexible, then the race
gets harder.  Everyone needs different tools.  More important is recognizing
when to use them.

How many of you own only one screwdriver?

Jim Manara
jim.man...@thecambiaregroup.com
480-273-0934

Growth is Change,
Change is Cambiare!

> Heh. I only just passed that marker on the road and plan to be working 
> for many more years. I know the flame changes in nature, but if it 
> goes out I'm in trouble. 8)
>
> Depending on one vendor for more than three or four years is folly. 
> I'm constantly impressed the Remedy product line has lasted as long as 
> it has, but it has changed a lot over the years. To keep working in 
> this niche, my 'flame' has already changed a number of times. While I 
> hope it continues, I try to make sure I have reserve options. Someone 
> is going to have to teach the process after it all goes into the 
> cloud, right? While I'm sure the vendor will try to milk that need, 
> there is nothing quite like a friendly face on site who isn't motivated to
up-sell.
>
> -al
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
> [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Sylvain YVON
> Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 12:34 AM
> To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
> Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?
>
> **
> I don't know, a developer and even a consultant should try and learn 
> new stuff every day. Maybe at 50 the flame is gone, but we can't rely 
> on a single vendor for our careers on the long term, can we ?
>
>
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Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

[pritch]

I earned my grey hair (and my senior discounts).  I'm proud of it.  And, as I 
told my 'baby' on his milestone birthday yesterday, I'm aiming for the time 
when I can ride into the sunset.

AND... I agree with the screwdriver analogy.  I never stop at only drinking one.

- Original Message -
From: "Jim Manara" 
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 3:43:59 PM
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

My hair is not gray!  What you see is the sunlight reflecting off the
natural highlights in my hair.  Even indoors.

I have passed many mile markers.  If you can't stay flexible, then the
race gets harder.  Everyone needs different tools.  More important is
recognizing when to use them.

How many of you own only one screwdriver?

Jim Manara
jim.man...@thecambiaregroup.com
480-273-0934

Growth is Change,
Change is Cambiare!

> Heh. I only just passed that marker on the road and plan to be working for
> many more years. I know the flame changes in nature, but if it goes out
> I'm in trouble. 8)
>
> Depending on one vendor for more than three or four years is folly. I'm
> constantly impressed the Remedy product line has lasted as long as it has,
> but it has changed a lot over the years. To keep working in this niche, my
> 'flame' has already changed a number of times. While I hope it continues,
> I try to make sure I have reserve options. Someone is going to have to
> teach the process after it all goes into the cloud, right? While I'm sure
> the vendor will try to milk that need, there is nothing quite like a
> friendly face on site who isn't motivated to up-sell.
>
> -al
>
> -Original Message-
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> Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 12:34 AM
> To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
> Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?
>
> **
> I don't know, a developer and even a consultant should try and learn new
> stuff every day. Maybe at 50 the flame is gone, but we can't rely on a
> single vendor for our careers on the long term, can we ?
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Re: Dilbert RE: huh? financial news for bmc ?

[Stanley Feinstein]

Al,

That's funny.  A long time ago, I worked for a large company.  They 
re-organized the sales territories and I was given some new accounts.  I 
visited them with the old sales rep, and at one, the manager took my card, 
turned it over, and started to write on it.  I asked him what he was writing.  
He said: "Today's date.  I want to see how long you're going to be with the 
company."  I was gone within a couple of months.

Stan
w. 310-230-1722.
c. 310-428-5748.

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[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Differ, Alfred W CTR PHD NSWC, 210
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 2:12 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Dilbert RE: huh? financial news for bmc ?

I've got a little award on my desk from a previous employer that says 
"Something to Believe In" along with a date on it. They wanted us to believe 
they would still be in business on that date. Instead, within three years they 
were bought by First Union Bank who merged later with Wachovia. If you know 
which banks suffered during the financial meltdown and how their issues were 
resolved you might understand why I keep this award as a reminder to think for 
myself. 8)

No matter what happens to the companies and product lines we support, always 
beware of marketing hype. Some of it is too positive and some  is too negative. 
We will see how this works out anyway.

This cartoon goes into my folder of 'appreciation' awards, but I think 
cash-value is expecting too much. 
I just want the stories I need for my resume, future job interviews, and other 
sales pitches. I already know how to turn the stories into cash. 8)

-al

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Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 1:59 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: OT: Dilbert RE: huh? financial news for bmc ?

Speaking of rewards these days! - Dilbert on Sunday was classic!

http://dilbert.com/fast/2013-05-19/



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Re: Dilbert RE: huh? financial news for bmc ?

[Differ, Alfred W CTR PHD NSWC, 210]

I've got a little award on my desk from a previous employer that says 
"Something to Believe In" along with a date on it. They wanted us to believe 
they would still be in business on that date. Instead, within three years they 
were bought by First Union Bank who merged later with Wachovia. If you know 
which banks suffered during the financial meltdown and how their issues were 
resolved you might understand why I keep this award as a reminder to think for 
myself. 8)

No matter what happens to the companies and product lines we support, always 
beware of marketing hype. Some of it is too positive and some  is too negative. 
We will see how this works out anyway.

This cartoon goes into my folder of 'appreciation' awards, but I think 
cash-value is expecting too much. 
I just want the stories I need for my resume, future job interviews, and other 
sales pitches. I already know how to turn the stories into cash. 8)

-al

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[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Brock, Anne
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 1:59 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: OT: Dilbert RE: huh? financial news for bmc ?

Speaking of rewards these days! - Dilbert on Sunday was classic!

http://dilbert.com/fast/2013-05-19/



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OT: Dilbert RE: huh? financial news for bmc ?

[Brock, Anne]

Speaking of rewards these days! - Dilbert on Sunday was classic!

http://dilbert.com/fast/2013-05-19/


-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of pritch
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 7:23 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

When you get to within 5 years or so of retiring, you certainly want to!  We 
'old dogs' that are up there and close to leaving the work force are not real 
interested in learning new tricks.  If we need to in order to be 'rewarded' we 
will, but the rewards are increasingly less interesting.  

- Original Message -
From: "Sylvain YVON" 
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 3:33:53 AM
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

** 
I don't know, a developer and even a consultant should try and learn new stuff 
every day. Maybe at 50 the flame is gone, but we can't rely on a single vendor 
for our careers on the long term, can we ? 




On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 9:35 PM, Joe D'Souza < jdso...@shyle.net > wrote: 


Unless off course the plan is to cash the cow while it still alive and well 
with a who cares what happens to it after you get your money kind of an 
attitude.. 

I, just like you, am hoping to not have to learn new tricks either for at least 
as long as another decade. 

Unless that trick happens to be around the Remedy Developer Studio as that 
might give Jason, Rod and I, some more material to present at the RUG :) 

Joe 



-Original Message- 
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: 
arslist@ARSLIST.ORG ] On Behalf Of Howard Richter 
Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2013 10:02 PM 
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG 
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? 

Dan, 

What all of my business classes and reading of the Wall Street Journal have 
taught me is that you need to have the plans in place before you make an offer 
on a company. 

So I am sure that they had the plans drawn out of what they will be doing with 
Remedy and the other pieces of BMC, before they made the first offer. 

And if Oracle was part of it, they reached out to them as well (either directly 
or indirectly). 

I just want Remedy to be around for another 10 or so years, then I can retire 
and not need to learn something new. Its true what they say you can teach an 
old dog (or in this case Gator) new tricks. 

Have a great weekend, 

hbr 

-Original Message- 
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: 
arslist@ARSLIST.ORG ] On Behalf Of arslist 
Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2013 12:20 PM 
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG 
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? 

I'll pretend it is Friday: Oracle World is coincidentally the week before 
WWRUG13. They could announce there and then everyone stays for a second week. 

From what I read, the initial deal should close just around the time we hold 
our conference, so unless they are working the selling parts of BMC in the 
meantime, it is going to be 2014 before any of that happens, or does Bane, I 
mean Bain, have a track record of making these decisions quickly and before the 
deals close? 

Dan 

-Original Message- 
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: 
arslist@ARSLIST.ORG ] On Behalf Of Pierson, Shawn 
Sent: May 9, 2013 8:42 AM 
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG 
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? 

I'm curious, why would Remedy being sold to SAP or Oracle be a negative thing 
in your opinion?  I think it's big enough that it wouldn't be swallowed up 
inside of one of their applications (how long has it taken Oracle to combine 
the eBusiness Suite with PeopleSoft despite the products directly competing?)  
I can see if support deteriorates, maintenance goes up, or some other unknown 
odd factor, but it seems to me like it might be an opportunity for Remedy to be 
implemented in shops that may not have a good ITSM solution but already have 
installs of SAP, Oracle, or whoever hypothetically buys Remedy.  If that's a 
pessimistic scenario it doesn't seem too bad to me. 

Thanks, 

Shawn Pierson 
Remedy Developer | Energy Transfer 


-Original Message- 
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: 
arslist@ARSLIST.ORG ] On Behalf Of Lee Cullom 
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 6:07 AM 
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG 
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? 

Since it's incredibly fun to speculate on this situation, I'll offer up: 

- Bain will look at the profitability of the various pieces/business units - 
Mainframe, Service Management, etc... 
- They'll tear out the ugly pieces and get them in the hands of someone who can 
use them (Elliot's involvement indicates that Compuware might be involved) 
- They'll take the profitable pieces and put probably keep them with the newly 
private BMC that needs to invest in ESM. 

So, I'm thinkin

Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

[Jim Manara]

My hair is not gray!  What you see is the sunlight reflecting off the
natural highlights in my hair.  Even indoors.

I have passed many mile markers.  If you can't stay flexible, then the
race gets harder.  Everyone needs different tools.  More important is
recognizing when to use them.

How many of you own only one screwdriver?

Jim Manara
jim.man...@thecambiaregroup.com
480-273-0934

Growth is Change,
Change is Cambiare!

> Heh. I only just passed that marker on the road and plan to be working for
> many more years. I know the flame changes in nature, but if it goes out
> I'm in trouble. 8)
>
> Depending on one vendor for more than three or four years is folly. I'm
> constantly impressed the Remedy product line has lasted as long as it has,
> but it has changed a lot over the years. To keep working in this niche, my
> 'flame' has already changed a number of times. While I hope it continues,
> I try to make sure I have reserve options. Someone is going to have to
> teach the process after it all goes into the cloud, right? While I'm sure
> the vendor will try to milk that need, there is nothing quite like a
> friendly face on site who isn't motivated to up-sell.
>
> -al
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
> [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Sylvain YVON
> Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 12:34 AM
> To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
> Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?
>
> **
> I don't know, a developer and even a consultant should try and learn new
> stuff every day. Maybe at 50 the flame is gone, but we can't rely on a
> single vendor for our careers on the long term, can we ?
>
>
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Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

[Differ, Alfred W CTR PHD NSWC, 210]

Heh. I only just passed that marker on the road and plan to be working for many 
more years. I know the flame changes in nature, but if it goes out I'm in 
trouble. 8)

Depending on one vendor for more than three or four years is folly. I'm 
constantly impressed the Remedy product line has lasted as long as it has, but 
it has changed a lot over the years. To keep working in this niche, my 'flame' 
has already changed a number of times. While I hope it continues, I try to make 
sure I have reserve options. Someone is going to have to teach the process 
after it all goes into the cloud, right? While I'm sure the vendor will try to 
milk that need, there is nothing quite like a friendly face on site who isn't 
motivated to up-sell. 

-al

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From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Sylvain YVON
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 12:34 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

** 
I don't know, a developer and even a consultant should try and learn new stuff 
every day. Maybe at 50 the flame is gone, but we can't rely on a single vendor 
for our careers on the long term, can we ?


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Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

[pritch]

'Learning new tricks' daily doesn't have to be technology.  There are plenty of 
other things to do to keep the mind going - for the most part they are called 
Hobbies - I personally don't want to be a one-trick pony in front of a computer 
screen all my life.  I like the good-old days where if you weren't home, you 
weren't home and folks had to call back later (ie no answering machines).  I'm 
just that dern old and don't like all these modern toys.  Maybe it's just from 
the fact that I got cut off three times this morning by the same person who was 
looking at their 'smart-phone' while weaving across lanes on the highway! :)

- Original Message -
From: "Rebecca Boyd" 
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 11:36:36 AM
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

** 


I don’t mind learning new tricks. I like learning new tricks. I just don’t want 
to have to run away again & join a new circus. 



On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 10:22 AM, pritch < pri...@ptd.net > wrote: 


When you get to within 5 years or so of retiring, you certainly want to!  We 
'old dogs' that are up there and close to leaving the work force are not real 
interested in learning new tricks.  If we need to in order to be 'rewarded' we 
will, but the rewards are increasingly less interesting. 

- Original Message - 
From: "Sylvain YVON" < sylvain.y...@gmail.com > 
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG 
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 3:33:53 AM 
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? 

** 
I don't know, a developer and even a consultant should try and learn new stuff 
every day. Maybe at 50 the flame is gone, but we can't rely on a single vendor 
for our careers on the long term, can we ? 




On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 9:35 PM, Joe D'Souza < jdso...@shyle.net > wrote: 


Unless off course the plan is to cash the cow while it still alive and well 
with a who cares what happens to it after you get your money kind of an 
attitude.. 

I, just like you, am hoping to not have to learn new tricks either for at least 
as long as another decade. 

Unless that trick happens to be around the Remedy Developer Studio as that 
might give Jason, Rod and I, some more material to present at the RUG :) 

Joe 



-Original Message- 
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: 
arslist@ARSLIST.ORG ] On Behalf Of Howard Richter 
Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2013 10:02 PM 
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG 
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? 

Dan, 

What all of my business classes and reading of the Wall Street Journal have 
taught me is that you need to have the plans in place before you make an offer 
on a company. 

So I am sure that they had the plans drawn out of what they will be doing with 
Remedy and the other pieces of BMC, before they made the first offer. 

And if Oracle was part of it, they reached out to them as well (either directly 
or indirectly). 

I just want Remedy to be around for another 10 or so years, then I can retire 
and not need to learn something new. Its true what they say you can teach an 
old dog (or in this case Gator) new tricks. 

Have a great weekend, 

hbr 

-Original Message- 
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: 
arslist@ARSLIST.ORG ] On Behalf Of arslist 
Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2013 12:20 PM 
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG 
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? 

I'll pretend it is Friday: Oracle World is coincidentally the week before 
WWRUG13. They could announce there and then everyone stays for a second week. 

>From what I read, the initial deal should close just around the time we hold 
>our conference, so unless they are working the selling parts of BMC in the 
>meantime, it is going to be 2014 before any of that happens, or does Bane, I 
>mean Bain, have a track record of making these decisions quickly and before 
>the deals close? 

Dan 

-Original Message- 
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: 
arslist@ARSLIST.ORG ] On Behalf Of Pierson, Shawn 
Sent: May 9, 2013 8:42 AM 
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG 
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? 

I'm curious, why would Remedy being sold to SAP or Oracle be a negative thing 
in your opinion?  I think it's big enough that it wouldn't be swallowed up 
inside of one of their applications (how long has it taken Oracle to combine 
the eBusiness Suite with PeopleSoft despite the products directly competing?)  
I can see if support deteriorates, maintenance goes up, or some other unknown 
odd factor, but it seems to me like it might be an opportunity for Remedy to be 
implemented in shops that may not have a good ITSM solution but already have 
installs of SAP, Oracle, or whoever hypothetically buys Remedy.  If that's a 
pessimistic scenario it doesn't seem too bad to me. 

Thanks, 

Shawn Pierson 
Rem

Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

[Boyd, Rebecca]

I don’t mind learning new tricks. I like learning new tricks. I just don’t
want to have to run away again & join a new circus.


On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 10:22 AM, pritch  wrote:

> When you get to within 5 years or so of retiring, you certainly want to!
>  We 'old dogs' that are up there and close to leaving the work force are
> not real interested in learning new tricks.  If we need to in order to be
> 'rewarded' we will, but the rewards are increasingly less interesting.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Sylvain YVON" 
> To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
> Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 3:33:53 AM
> Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?
>
> **
> I don't know, a developer and even a consultant should try and learn new
> stuff every day. Maybe at 50 the flame is gone, but we can't rely on a
> single vendor for our careers on the long term, can we ?
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 9:35 PM, Joe D'Souza < jdso...@shyle.net > wrote:
>
>
> Unless off course the plan is to cash the cow while it still alive and
> well with a who cares what happens to it after you get your money kind of
> an attitude..
>
> I, just like you, am hoping to not have to learn new tricks either for at
> least as long as another decade.
>
> Unless that trick happens to be around the Remedy Developer Studio as that
> might give Jason, Rod and I, some more material to present at the RUG :)
>
> Joe
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:
> arslist@ARSLIST.ORG ] On Behalf Of Howard Richter
> Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2013 10:02 PM
> To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
> Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?
>
> Dan,
>
> What all of my business classes and reading of the Wall Street Journal
> have taught me is that you need to have the plans in place before you make
> an offer on a company.
>
> So I am sure that they had the plans drawn out of what they will be doing
> with Remedy and the other pieces of BMC, before they made the first offer.
>
> And if Oracle was part of it, they reached out to them as well (either
> directly or indirectly).
>
> I just want Remedy to be around for another 10 or so years, then I can
> retire and not need to learn something new. Its true what they say you can
> teach an old dog (or in this case Gator) new tricks.
>
> Have a great weekend,
>
> hbr
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:
> arslist@ARSLIST.ORG ] On Behalf Of arslist
> Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2013 12:20 PM
> To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
> Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?
>
> I'll pretend it is Friday: Oracle World is coincidentally the week before
> WWRUG13. They could announce there and then everyone stays for a second
> week.
>
> From what I read, the initial deal should close just around the time we
> hold our conference, so unless they are working the selling parts of BMC in
> the meantime, it is going to be 2014 before any of that happens, or does
> Bane, I mean Bain, have a track record of making these decisions quickly
> and before the deals close?
>
> Dan
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:
> arslist@ARSLIST.ORG ] On Behalf Of Pierson, Shawn
> Sent: May 9, 2013 8:42 AM
> To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
> Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?
>
> I'm curious, why would Remedy being sold to SAP or Oracle be a negative
> thing in your opinion?  I think it's big enough that it wouldn't be
> swallowed up inside of one of their applications (how long has it taken
> Oracle to combine the eBusiness Suite with PeopleSoft despite the products
> directly competing?)  I can see if support deteriorates, maintenance goes
> up, or some other unknown odd factor, but it seems to me like it might be
> an opportunity for Remedy to be implemented in shops that may not have a
> good ITSM solution but already have installs of SAP, Oracle, or whoever
> hypothetically buys Remedy.  If that's a pessimistic scenario it doesn't
> seem too bad to me.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Shawn Pierson
> Remedy Developer | Energy Transfer
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:
> arslist@ARSLIST.ORG ] On Behalf Of Lee Cullom
> Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 6:07 AM
> To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
> Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?
>
> Since it's incredibly fun to speculate on this situation, I'll offer up:
>
> - Bain will look at the profitability of the various pieces/business units
> - Mainframe, Service Management, etc...

Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

[pritch]

When you get to within 5 years or so of retiring, you certainly want to!  We 
'old dogs' that are up there and close to leaving the work force are not real 
interested in learning new tricks.  If we need to in order to be 'rewarded' we 
will, but the rewards are increasingly less interesting.  

- Original Message -
From: "Sylvain YVON" 
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 3:33:53 AM
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

** 
I don't know, a developer and even a consultant should try and learn new stuff 
every day. Maybe at 50 the flame is gone, but we can't rely on a single vendor 
for our careers on the long term, can we ? 




On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 9:35 PM, Joe D'Souza < jdso...@shyle.net > wrote: 


Unless off course the plan is to cash the cow while it still alive and well 
with a who cares what happens to it after you get your money kind of an 
attitude.. 

I, just like you, am hoping to not have to learn new tricks either for at least 
as long as another decade. 

Unless that trick happens to be around the Remedy Developer Studio as that 
might give Jason, Rod and I, some more material to present at the RUG :) 

Joe 



-Original Message- 
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: 
arslist@ARSLIST.ORG ] On Behalf Of Howard Richter 
Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2013 10:02 PM 
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG 
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? 

Dan, 

What all of my business classes and reading of the Wall Street Journal have 
taught me is that you need to have the plans in place before you make an offer 
on a company. 

So I am sure that they had the plans drawn out of what they will be doing with 
Remedy and the other pieces of BMC, before they made the first offer. 

And if Oracle was part of it, they reached out to them as well (either directly 
or indirectly). 

I just want Remedy to be around for another 10 or so years, then I can retire 
and not need to learn something new. Its true what they say you can teach an 
old dog (or in this case Gator) new tricks. 

Have a great weekend, 

hbr 

-Original Message- 
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: 
arslist@ARSLIST.ORG ] On Behalf Of arslist 
Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2013 12:20 PM 
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG 
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? 

I'll pretend it is Friday: Oracle World is coincidentally the week before 
WWRUG13. They could announce there and then everyone stays for a second week. 

>From what I read, the initial deal should close just around the time we hold 
>our conference, so unless they are working the selling parts of BMC in the 
>meantime, it is going to be 2014 before any of that happens, or does Bane, I 
>mean Bain, have a track record of making these decisions quickly and before 
>the deals close? 

Dan 

-Original Message- 
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: 
arslist@ARSLIST.ORG ] On Behalf Of Pierson, Shawn 
Sent: May 9, 2013 8:42 AM 
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG 
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? 

I'm curious, why would Remedy being sold to SAP or Oracle be a negative thing 
in your opinion?  I think it's big enough that it wouldn't be swallowed up 
inside of one of their applications (how long has it taken Oracle to combine 
the eBusiness Suite with PeopleSoft despite the products directly competing?)  
I can see if support deteriorates, maintenance goes up, or some other unknown 
odd factor, but it seems to me like it might be an opportunity for Remedy to be 
implemented in shops that may not have a good ITSM solution but already have 
installs of SAP, Oracle, or whoever hypothetically buys Remedy.  If that's a 
pessimistic scenario it doesn't seem too bad to me. 

Thanks, 

Shawn Pierson 
Remedy Developer | Energy Transfer 


-Original Message- 
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: 
arslist@ARSLIST.ORG ] On Behalf Of Lee Cullom 
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 6:07 AM 
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG 
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? 

Since it's incredibly fun to speculate on this situation, I'll offer up: 

- Bain will look at the profitability of the various pieces/business units - 
Mainframe, Service Management, etc... 
- They'll tear out the ugly pieces and get them in the hands of someone who can 
use them (Elliot's involvement indicates that Compuware might be involved) 
- They'll take the profitable pieces and put probably keep them with the newly 
private BMC that needs to invest in ESM. 

So, I'm thinking... Patrol and it's ilk will end up with Compuware since it 
will give them a larger stack of monitoring tools. 
Mainframe/Batch Management - IBM?  That would make sense.  The new Z's are 
coming... sure would help to pick up some nice new batch management technology 
to go with that shiny new hardware and make i

Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

[Sylvain YVON]

I don't know, a developer and even a consultant should try and learn new
stuff every day. Maybe at 50 the flame is gone, but we can't rely on a
single vendor for our careers on the long term, can we ?


On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 9:35 PM, Joe D'Souza  wrote:

> Unless off course the plan is to cash the cow while it still alive and
> well with a who cares what happens to it after you get your money kind of
> an attitude..
>
> I, just like you, am hoping to not have to learn new tricks either for at
> least as long as another decade.
>
> Unless that trick happens to be around the Remedy Developer Studio as that
> might give Jason, Rod and I, some more material to present at the RUG :)
>
> Joe
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:
> arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Howard Richter
> Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2013 10:02 PM
> To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
> Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?
>
> Dan,
>
> What all of my business classes and reading of the Wall Street Journal
> have taught me is that you need to have the plans in place before you make
> an offer on a company.
>
> So I am sure that they had the plans drawn out of what they will be doing
> with Remedy and the other pieces of BMC, before they made the first offer.
>
> And if Oracle was part of it, they reached out to them as well (either
> directly or indirectly).
>
> I just want Remedy to be around for another 10 or so years, then I can
> retire and not need to learn something new. Its true what they say you can
> teach an old dog (or in this case Gator) new tricks.
>
> Have a great weekend,
>
> hbr
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:
> arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of arslist
> Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2013 12:20 PM
> To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
> Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?
>
> I'll pretend it is Friday: Oracle World is coincidentally the week before
> WWRUG13. They could announce there and then everyone stays for a second
> week.
>
> From what I read, the initial deal should close just around the time we
> hold our conference, so unless they are working the selling parts of BMC in
> the meantime, it is going to be 2014 before any of that happens, or does
> Bane, I mean Bain, have a track record of making these decisions quickly
> and before the deals close?
>
> Dan
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:
> arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Pierson, Shawn
> Sent: May 9, 2013 8:42 AM
> To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
> Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?
>
> I'm curious, why would Remedy being sold to SAP or Oracle be a negative
> thing in your opinion?  I think it's big enough that it wouldn't be
> swallowed up inside of one of their applications (how long has it taken
> Oracle to combine the eBusiness Suite with PeopleSoft despite the products
> directly competing?)  I can see if support deteriorates, maintenance goes
> up, or some other unknown odd factor, but it seems to me like it might be
> an opportunity for Remedy to be implemented in shops that may not have a
> good ITSM solution but already have installs of SAP, Oracle, or whoever
> hypothetically buys Remedy.  If that's a pessimistic scenario it doesn't
> seem too bad to me.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Shawn Pierson
> Remedy Developer | Energy Transfer
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:
> arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Lee Cullom
> Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 6:07 AM
> To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
> Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?
>
> Since it's incredibly fun to speculate on this situation, I'll offer up:
>
> - Bain will look at the profitability of the various pieces/business units
> - Mainframe, Service Management, etc...
> - They'll tear out the ugly pieces and get them in the hands of someone
> who can use them (Elliot's involvement indicates that Compuware might be
> involved)
> - They'll take the profitable pieces and put probably keep them with the
> newly private BMC that needs to invest in ESM.
>
> So, I'm thinking... Patrol and it's ilk will end up with Compuware since
> it will give them a larger stack of monitoring tools.
> Mainframe/Batch Management - IBM?  That would make sense.  The new Z's are
> coming... sure would help to pick up some nice new batch management
> technology to go with that shiny new hardware and make it part of the
> Tivoli product line.
> Service Management - BMC grew the business significantly (per the
> financials

Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

[Joe D'Souza]

Unless off course the plan is to cash the cow while it still alive and well 
with a who cares what happens to it after you get your money kind of an 
attitude..

I, just like you, am hoping to not have to learn new tricks either for at least 
as long as another decade.

Unless that trick happens to be around the Remedy Developer Studio as that 
might give Jason, Rod and I, some more material to present at the RUG :)

Joe

-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Howard Richter
Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2013 10:02 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

Dan,

What all of my business classes and reading of the Wall Street Journal have 
taught me is that you need to have the plans in place before you make an offer 
on a company.

So I am sure that they had the plans drawn out of what they will be doing with 
Remedy and the other pieces of BMC, before they made the first offer.

And if Oracle was part of it, they reached out to them as well (either directly 
or indirectly).

I just want Remedy to be around for another 10 or so years, then I can retire 
and not need to learn something new. Its true what they say you can teach an 
old dog (or in this case Gator) new tricks.

Have a great weekend,

hbr

-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of arslist
Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2013 12:20 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

I'll pretend it is Friday: Oracle World is coincidentally the week before 
WWRUG13. They could announce there and then everyone stays for a second week.

>From what I read, the initial deal should close just around the time we hold 
>our conference, so unless they are working the selling parts of BMC in the 
>meantime, it is going to be 2014 before any of that happens, or does Bane, I 
>mean Bain, have a track record of making these decisions quickly and before 
>the deals close?

Dan

-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Pierson, Shawn
Sent: May 9, 2013 8:42 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

I'm curious, why would Remedy being sold to SAP or Oracle be a negative thing 
in your opinion?  I think it's big enough that it wouldn't be swallowed up 
inside of one of their applications (how long has it taken Oracle to combine 
the eBusiness Suite with PeopleSoft despite the products directly competing?)  
I can see if support deteriorates, maintenance goes up, or some other unknown 
odd factor, but it seems to me like it might be an opportunity for Remedy to be 
implemented in shops that may not have a good ITSM solution but already have 
installs of SAP, Oracle, or whoever hypothetically buys Remedy.  If that's a 
pessimistic scenario it doesn't seem too bad to me.

Thanks,

Shawn Pierson 
Remedy Developer | Energy Transfer


-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Lee Cullom
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 6:07 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

Since it's incredibly fun to speculate on this situation, I'll offer up:

- Bain will look at the profitability of the various pieces/business units - 
Mainframe, Service Management, etc...
- They'll tear out the ugly pieces and get them in the hands of someone who can 
use them (Elliot's involvement indicates that Compuware might be involved)
- They'll take the profitable pieces and put probably keep them with the newly 
private BMC that needs to invest in ESM.

So, I'm thinking... Patrol and it's ilk will end up with Compuware since it 
will give them a larger stack of monitoring tools.
Mainframe/Batch Management - IBM?  That would make sense.  The new Z's are 
coming... sure would help to pick up some nice new batch management technology 
to go with that shiny new hardware and make it part of the Tivoli product line.
Service Management - BMC grew the business significantly (per the financials 
yesterday)... and they need to transition to PaaS (for the Enterprise, that's 
Remedy) to grow dramatically.  That will require investment and innovation 
(this is an optimistic scenario for ARlist)... and an AppExchange like 
community (this group) to develop new offerings that are needed to compete with 
ServiceNow (such as HR Call Center, Facilities Management, etc...).  This will 
require some heavy ARsystem work as well (go Doug!) to make it MORE ready for 
the cloud.

Remedyforce is the SaaS offering for small mid-size with the inferior PaaS 
capabilies of Salesforce.com (proprietary Apex coding) and different price 
point.

The pessimistic scenario is that Remedy gets thrown o SAP or Oracle to become 
another app

Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

[Howard Richter]

Dan,

What all of my business classes and reading of the Wall Street Journal have 
taught me is that you need to have the plans in place before you make an offer 
on a company.

So I am sure that they had the plans drawn out of what they will be doing with 
Remedy and the other pieces of BMC, before they made the first offer.

And if Oracle was part of it, they reached out to them as well (either directly 
or indirectly).

I just want Remedy to be around for another 10 or so years, then I can retire 
and not need to learn something new. Its true what they say you can teach an 
old dog (or in this case Gator) new tricks.

Have a great weekend,

hbr

-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of arslist
Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2013 12:20 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

I'll pretend it is Friday: Oracle World is coincidentally the week before 
WWRUG13. They could announce there and then everyone stays for a second week.

>From what I read, the initial deal should close just around the time we hold 
>our conference, so unless they are working the selling parts of BMC in the 
>meantime, it is going to be 2014 before any of that happens, or does Bane, I 
>mean Bain, have a track record of making these decisions quickly and before 
>the deals close?

Dan

-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Pierson, Shawn
Sent: May 9, 2013 8:42 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

I'm curious, why would Remedy being sold to SAP or Oracle be a negative thing 
in your opinion?  I think it's big enough that it wouldn't be swallowed up 
inside of one of their applications (how long has it taken Oracle to combine 
the eBusiness Suite with PeopleSoft despite the products directly competing?)  
I can see if support deteriorates, maintenance goes up, or some other unknown 
odd factor, but it seems to me like it might be an opportunity for Remedy to be 
implemented in shops that may not have a good ITSM solution but already have 
installs of SAP, Oracle, or whoever hypothetically buys Remedy.  If that's a 
pessimistic scenario it doesn't seem too bad to me.

Thanks,

Shawn Pierson 
Remedy Developer | Energy Transfer


-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Lee Cullom
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 6:07 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

Since it's incredibly fun to speculate on this situation, I'll offer up:

- Bain will look at the profitability of the various pieces/business units - 
Mainframe, Service Management, etc...
- They'll tear out the ugly pieces and get them in the hands of someone who can 
use them (Elliot's involvement indicates that Compuware might be involved)
- They'll take the profitable pieces and put probably keep them with the newly 
private BMC that needs to invest in ESM.

So, I'm thinking... Patrol and it's ilk will end up with Compuware since it 
will give them a larger stack of monitoring tools.
Mainframe/Batch Management - IBM?  That would make sense.  The new Z's are 
coming... sure would help to pick up some nice new batch management technology 
to go with that shiny new hardware and make it part of the Tivoli product line.
Service Management - BMC grew the business significantly (per the financials 
yesterday)... and they need to transition to PaaS (for the Enterprise, that's 
Remedy) to grow dramatically.  That will require investment and innovation 
(this is an optimistic scenario for ARlist)... and an AppExchange like 
community (this group) to develop new offerings that are needed to compete with 
ServiceNow (such as HR Call Center, Facilities Management, etc...).  This will 
require some heavy ARsystem work as well (go Doug!) to make it MORE ready for 
the cloud.

Remedyforce is the SaaS offering for small mid-size with the inferior PaaS 
capabilies of Salesforce.com (proprietary Apex coding) and different price 
point.

The pessimistic scenario is that Remedy gets thrown o SAP or Oracle to become 
another app that is part of those gianormous suites (like Oracle EBS).

However, this much is certain.  There are going to be changes at some point 
with new ownership.  

Now, please continue the speculation... This is a fun topic!



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http://www.youtube.com/user/northcraftanalytics

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IT Metrics Specialist | Business Intelligence for ITSM Direct - 678-438-7244 | 
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Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

[arslist]

I'll pretend it is Friday: Oracle World is coincidentally the week before 
WWRUG13. They could announce there and then everyone stays for a second week.

>From what I read, the initial deal should close just around the time we hold 
>our conference, so unless they are working the selling parts of BMC in the 
>meantime, it is going to be 2014 before any of that happens, or does Bane, I 
>mean Bain, have a track record of making these decisions quickly and before 
>the deals close?

Dan

-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Pierson, Shawn
Sent: May 9, 2013 8:42 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

I'm curious, why would Remedy being sold to SAP or Oracle be a negative thing 
in your opinion?  I think it's big enough that it wouldn't be swallowed up 
inside of one of their applications (how long has it taken Oracle to combine 
the eBusiness Suite with PeopleSoft despite the products directly competing?)  
I can see if support deteriorates, maintenance goes up, or some other unknown 
odd factor, but it seems to me like it might be an opportunity for Remedy to be 
implemented in shops that may not have a good ITSM solution but already have 
installs of SAP, Oracle, or whoever hypothetically buys Remedy.  If that's a 
pessimistic scenario it doesn't seem too bad to me.

Thanks,

Shawn Pierson 
Remedy Developer | Energy Transfer


-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Lee Cullom
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 6:07 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

Since it's incredibly fun to speculate on this situation, I'll offer up:

- Bain will look at the profitability of the various pieces/business units - 
Mainframe, Service Management, etc...
- They'll tear out the ugly pieces and get them in the hands of someone who can 
use them (Elliot's involvement indicates that Compuware might be involved)
- They'll take the profitable pieces and put probably keep them with the newly 
private BMC that needs to invest in ESM.

So, I'm thinking... Patrol and it's ilk will end up with Compuware since it 
will give them a larger stack of monitoring tools.
Mainframe/Batch Management - IBM?  That would make sense.  The new Z's are 
coming... sure would help to pick up some nice new batch management technology 
to go with that shiny new hardware and make it part of the Tivoli product line.
Service Management - BMC grew the business significantly (per the financials 
yesterday)... and they need to transition to PaaS (for the Enterprise, that's 
Remedy) to grow dramatically.  That will require investment and innovation 
(this is an optimistic scenario for ARlist)... and an AppExchange like 
community (this group) to develop new offerings that are needed to compete with 
ServiceNow (such as HR Call Center, Facilities Management, etc...).  This will 
require some heavy ARsystem work as well (go Doug!) to make it MORE ready for 
the cloud.

Remedyforce is the SaaS offering for small mid-size with the inferior PaaS 
capabilies of Salesforce.com (proprietary Apex coding) and different price 
point.

The pessimistic scenario is that Remedy gets thrown o SAP or Oracle to become 
another app that is part of those gianormous suites (like Oracle EBS).

However, this much is certain.  There are going to be changes at some point 
with new ownership.  

Now, please continue the speculation... This is a fun topic!



For our latest product demonstrations, please visit � 
http://www.youtube.com/user/northcraftanalytics

Lee Cullom | Northcraft Analytics
IT Metrics Specialist | Business Intelligence for ITSM Direct - 678-438-7244 | 
lee.cul...@northcraftanalytics.com
Main - (678) 664-ITSM

http://www.northcraftanalytics.com 


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From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Jesse
Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2013 10:29 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

Depends on your definition of "successful" Bain makes money for stock holders 
... yes successful company??? well

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Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? (crazy idea)

[Howard Richter]

So where do we stand.

 

1.   Bain might buy BMC and Compuware.

a.   BMC = the great Remedy engine, ITSM and number of Mainframe
products

b.  Compuware = dynaTrace (a BSM product) and a number of Mainframe
products.

2.   BMC support is getting better, but maybe that is so when Bain buys
BMC some support employees are not let go.

 

So doing some thinking and if this goes through, the new companies might
be..

 

1.   BMC/Compuware Mainframe products

2.   Service Desk/ITSM/Monitoring/Discovery Service

3.   Cloud

 

And Remedy, sold to Oracle and licensed back. 

Or Oracle buys everything other than the Mainframe products.

 

Now let's have a great weekend,

 

Howard

 

 

 



 

 

 

From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Matthew Perrault
Sent: Friday, May 10, 2013 10:48 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

 

** 

Agreed,

Their support has REALLY started to step up and improve.

 

Matt P.

 

From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Raman Arora
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 8:11 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

 

** 

I second Lj. BMC support has suddenly turned around (may be since last 2-3
weeks).
Things are suddenly getting better. We are hearing response in a matter of
few hours and instead of a mail for log, it is the solution that is provided
or a webex is scheduled (provided you give the info required).

Request for Information cases are also getting thorough attention. We have
teams working on quite a number of BMC tools and we're witnessing this
"phenomenon" throughout!.

 

-Raman

 

On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 4:09 AM, Howard Richter  wrote:

** 

That is great to hear. Maybe someone has started to understand that a
company needs to support what they sell.

 

Take care,

hbr

 

From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Longwing, Lj
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 6:19 PM


To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

 

** 

Howard,

I'm typically on the same side of the fence as you.  For more years than I
care to count I know more about Remedy than anyone I get on the other end of
the email, and I have come to not even contact them for things that aren't
'core' related or to file defects, but I have been in direct contact with
some upper level support people as of late.  They are actively trying to fix
the problems that we have, and seem to truly care.  Two days ago I logged a
ticket regarding 8.1 overlays in an upgrade scenario, and had a response in
less than 3 hours suggesting a WebEx...today I got around to doing that
WebEx and he had his team lead on the phone with us.  It took 2 hours to get
fixed, but got fixed in a single call and required some advanced DB level
workso while I still don't go to them unless I can't solve it (which
isn't often honestly with personal experience, ARSList, and BMC Communities
at hand)the last few times I have contacted them, the experience seems
better than it was for many years.

 

On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 4:00 PM, Howard Richter  wrote:

Shawn,

Since I have worked with Remedy since 1996, I can say that its has been a
downward spiral since Peregrine acquired Remedy. The initial Remedy support
was great, then when Peregrine fired most of the Remedy team it was for
(please fill in the blank).

When BMC picked up Remedy, things did get better (not as good as it was but
better). However, the spiral started again. The first few years of BMC it
did get better, then the move to off shoring support (with not enough
training of the staff) and cost cutting. Down it went.

Now a days I am not sure what is going on. I wonder if the head of support,
has ever supported any customer or even answered a support call.

When I know more than the level 2s or 3s, something is wrong. I am unsure
why they cut so many old timers, but my guess it's a money issue.

As far as the support provided by other companies, they all have some good
people and not so good people. However, I expect that the level 2s and
higher to know more about the system they support and have the ability to
help with the odd issues.

Sorry for the rant, but I expect good support when I pay good money for it.
And lately you cannot use "Good support" and "BMC" in the same sentence.
Which is very sad for all of us in the world of Remedy.

Hbr


-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Pierson, Shawn

Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 12:15 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

We have SAP (and Oracle eBusiness) within my organization, and I haven't
heard any unusual complaints.  Is it worse than BMC'

Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

[Lisa Singh]

On 5/6/13, laurent matheo  wrote:
> I just hope some guys I know at BMC will be ok after the buyout...
> This could good or this could be a disaster

Usually Equity Firms / Vulture Capital takeovers  end up with a lot of
asset stripping. BMC is rich pickings because they hoovered up a lot
of software titles - I'd expect the smaller of those to be flogged off
for a quick return, the high profit titles grown until the company can
be flipped for a targeted return. Equity firms aren't generally known
for long-term ownership or putting huge amounts of money into R&D - to
them the product is the business itself rather than what those
businesses make.

Not always the case and I hope I'm wrong...just seen a lot of it in
the dotcom era..

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Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

[Matthew Perrault]

Agreed,
Their support has REALLY started to step up and improve.

Matt P.

From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Raman Arora
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 8:11 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

**
I second Lj. BMC support has suddenly turned around (may be since last 2-3 
weeks).
Things are suddenly getting better. We are hearing response in a matter of few 
hours and instead of a mail for log, it is the solution that is provided or a 
webex is scheduled (provided you give the info required).
Request for Information cases are also getting thorough attention. We have 
teams working on quite a number of BMC tools and we're witnessing this 
"phenomenon" throughout!.

-Raman

On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 4:09 AM, Howard Richter 
mailto:hbr4...@gmail.com>> wrote:
**
That is great to hear. Maybe someone has started to understand that a company 
needs to support what they sell.

Take care,
hbr

From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG<mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG>] On Behalf Of Longwing, 
Lj
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 6:19 PM

To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG<mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG>
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

**
Howard,
I'm typically on the same side of the fence as you.  For more years than I care 
to count I know more about Remedy than anyone I get on the other end of the 
email, and I have come to not even contact them for things that aren't 'core' 
related or to file defects, but I have been in direct contact with some upper 
level support people as of late.  They are actively trying to fix the problems 
that we have, and seem to truly care.  Two days ago I logged a ticket regarding 
8.1 overlays in an upgrade scenario, and had a response in less than 3 hours 
suggesting a WebEx...today I got around to doing that WebEx and he had his team 
lead on the phone with us.  It took 2 hours to get fixed, but got fixed in a 
single call and required some advanced DB level workso while I still don't 
go to them unless I can't solve it (which isn't often honestly with personal 
experience, ARSList, and BMC Communities at hand)the last few times I have 
contacted them, the experience seems better than it was for many years.

On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 4:00 PM, Howard Richter 
mailto:hbr4...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Shawn,

Since I have worked with Remedy since 1996, I can say that its has been a 
downward spiral since Peregrine acquired Remedy. The initial Remedy support was 
great, then when Peregrine fired most of the Remedy team it was for (please 
fill in the blank).

When BMC picked up Remedy, things did get better (not as good as it was but 
better). However, the spiral started again. The first few years of BMC it did 
get better, then the move to off shoring support (with not enough training of 
the staff) and cost cutting. Down it went.

Now a days I am not sure what is going on. I wonder if the head of support, has 
ever supported any customer or even answered a support call.

When I know more than the level 2s or 3s, something is wrong. I am unsure why 
they cut so many old timers, but my guess it's a money issue.

As far as the support provided by other companies, they all have some good 
people and not so good people. However, I expect that the level 2s and higher 
to know more about the system they support and have the ability to help with 
the odd issues.

Sorry for the rant, but I expect good support when I pay good money for it. And 
lately you cannot use "Good support" and "BMC" in the same sentence.  Which is 
very sad for all of us in the world of Remedy.

Hbr

-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG<mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG>] On Behalf Of Pierson, 
Shawn
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 12:15 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG<mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG>
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

We have SAP (and Oracle eBusiness) within my organization, and I haven't heard 
any unusual complaints.  Is it worse than BMC's, "Send us the same log files 
you already sent us so we can ask you for new log files of the same thing next 
week, then we'll close the ticket out for being too old" customer service?  I 
haven't interacted with BMC Support for a while so maybe I'm being unfair, but 
it often seemed like they just wanted to waste your time and hope you solved 
the problem on your own.

Thanks,

Shawn Pierson
Remedy Developer | Energy Transfer


-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG<mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG>] On Behalf Of Hulmes, 
Timothy CTR MDA/ICTO
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 11:04 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG<mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG>
Subject: Re: huh? financial new

Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

[Raman Arora]

I second Lj. BMC support has suddenly turned around (may be since last 2-3
weeks).
Things are suddenly getting better. We are hearing response in a matter of
few hours and instead of a mail for log, it is the solution that is
provided or a webex is scheduled (provided you give the info required).
Request for Information cases are also getting thorough attention. We have
teams working on quite a number of BMC tools and we're witnessing this
"phenomenon" throughout!.

-Raman


On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 4:09 AM, Howard Richter  wrote:

> **
>
> That is great to hear. Maybe someone has started to understand that a
> company needs to support what they sell.
>
> ** **
>
> Take care,
>
> hbr
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:
> arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] *On Behalf Of *Longwing, Lj
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 09, 2013 6:19 PM
>
> *To:* arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
> *Subject:* Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?
>
> ** **
>
> ** 
>
> Howard,
>
> I'm typically on the same side of the fence as you.  For more years than I
> care to count I know more about Remedy than anyone I get on the other end
> of the email, and I have come to not even contact them for things that
> aren't 'core' related or to file defects, but I have been in direct contact
> with some upper level support people as of late.  They are actively trying
> to fix the problems that we have, and seem to truly care.  Two days ago I
> logged a ticket regarding 8.1 overlays in an upgrade scenario, and had a
> response in less than 3 hours suggesting a WebEx...today I got around to
> doing that WebEx and he had his team lead on the phone with us.  It took 2
> hours to get fixed, but got fixed in a single call and required some
> advanced DB level workso while I still don't go to them unless I can't
> solve it (which isn't often honestly with personal experience, ARSList, and
> BMC Communities at hand)the last few times I have contacted them, the
> experience seems better than it was for many years.
>
> ** **
>
> On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 4:00 PM, Howard Richter  wrote:*
> ***
>
> Shawn,
>
> Since I have worked with Remedy since 1996, I can say that its has been a
> downward spiral since Peregrine acquired Remedy. The initial Remedy support
> was great, then when Peregrine fired most of the Remedy team it was for
> (please fill in the blank).
>
> When BMC picked up Remedy, things did get better (not as good as it was
> but better). However, the spiral started again. The first few years of BMC
> it did get better, then the move to off shoring support (with not enough
> training of the staff) and cost cutting. Down it went.
>
> Now a days I am not sure what is going on. I wonder if the head of
> support, has ever supported any customer or even answered a support call.
>
> When I know more than the level 2s or 3s, something is wrong. I am unsure
> why they cut so many old timers, but my guess it’s a money issue.
>
> As far as the support provided by other companies, they all have some good
> people and not so good people. However, I expect that the level 2s and
> higher to know more about the system they support and have the ability to
> help with the odd issues.
>
> Sorry for the rant, but I expect good support when I pay good money for
> it. And lately you cannot use "Good support" and "BMC" in the same
> sentence.  Which is very sad for all of us in the world of Remedy.
>
> Hbr
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:
> arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Pierson, Shawn
>
> Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 12:15 PM
> To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
> Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?
>
> We have SAP (and Oracle eBusiness) within my organization, and I haven't
> heard any unusual complaints.  Is it worse than BMC's, "Send us the same
> log files you already sent us so we can ask you for new log files of the
> same thing next week, then we'll close the ticket out for being too old"
> customer service?  I haven't interacted with BMC Support for a while so
> maybe I'm being unfair, but it often seemed like they just wanted to waste
> your time and hope you solved the problem on your own.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Shawn Pierson
> Remedy Developer | Energy Transfer
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:
> arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Hulmes, Timothy CTR MDA/ICTO
> Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 11:04 AM
> To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
> Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?
>
> The only 

Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

[Howard Richter]

That is great to hear. Maybe someone has started to understand that a
company needs to support what they sell.

 

Take care,

hbr

 

From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Longwing, Lj
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 6:19 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

 

** 

Howard,

I'm typically on the same side of the fence as you.  For more years than I
care to count I know more about Remedy than anyone I get on the other end of
the email, and I have come to not even contact them for things that aren't
'core' related or to file defects, but I have been in direct contact with
some upper level support people as of late.  They are actively trying to fix
the problems that we have, and seem to truly care.  Two days ago I logged a
ticket regarding 8.1 overlays in an upgrade scenario, and had a response in
less than 3 hours suggesting a WebEx...today I got around to doing that
WebEx and he had his team lead on the phone with us.  It took 2 hours to get
fixed, but got fixed in a single call and required some advanced DB level
workso while I still don't go to them unless I can't solve it (which
isn't often honestly with personal experience, ARSList, and BMC Communities
at hand)the last few times I have contacted them, the experience seems
better than it was for many years.

 

On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 4:00 PM, Howard Richter  wrote:

Shawn,

Since I have worked with Remedy since 1996, I can say that its has been a
downward spiral since Peregrine acquired Remedy. The initial Remedy support
was great, then when Peregrine fired most of the Remedy team it was for
(please fill in the blank).

When BMC picked up Remedy, things did get better (not as good as it was but
better). However, the spiral started again. The first few years of BMC it
did get better, then the move to off shoring support (with not enough
training of the staff) and cost cutting. Down it went.

Now a days I am not sure what is going on. I wonder if the head of support,
has ever supported any customer or even answered a support call.

When I know more than the level 2s or 3s, something is wrong. I am unsure
why they cut so many old timers, but my guess it's a money issue.

As far as the support provided by other companies, they all have some good
people and not so good people. However, I expect that the level 2s and
higher to know more about the system they support and have the ability to
help with the odd issues.

Sorry for the rant, but I expect good support when I pay good money for it.
And lately you cannot use "Good support" and "BMC" in the same sentence.
Which is very sad for all of us in the world of Remedy.

Hbr


-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Pierson, Shawn

Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 12:15 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

We have SAP (and Oracle eBusiness) within my organization, and I haven't
heard any unusual complaints.  Is it worse than BMC's, "Send us the same log
files you already sent us so we can ask you for new log files of the same
thing next week, then we'll close the ticket out for being too old" customer
service?  I haven't interacted with BMC Support for a while so maybe I'm
being unfair, but it often seemed like they just wanted to waste your time
and hope you solved the problem on your own.

Thanks,

Shawn Pierson
Remedy Developer | Energy Transfer


-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Hulmes, Timothy CTR MDA/ICTO
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 11:04 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

The only thing I will add about the SAP discussion is, have you ever dealt
with support from SAP?

Tim


-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Pierson, Shawn
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 6:42 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

I'm curious, why would Remedy being sold to SAP or Oracle be a negative
thing in your opinion?  I think it's big enough that it wouldn't be
swallowed up inside of one of their applications (how long has it taken
Oracle to combine the eBusiness Suite with PeopleSoft despite the products
directly competing?)  I can see if support deteriorates, maintenance goes
up, or some other unknown odd factor, but it seems to me like it might be an
opportunity for Remedy to be implemented in shops that may not have a good
ITSM solution but already have installs of SAP, Oracle, or whoever
hypothetically buys Remedy.  If that's a pessimistic scenario it doesn't
seem too bad to me.

Thanks,

Shawn Pierson
Remedy Developer | Energy Transfer


-Original Message-

Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

[Longwing, Lj]

Howard,
I'm typically on the same side of the fence as you.  For more years than I
care to count I know more about Remedy than anyone I get on the other end
of the email, and I have come to not even contact them for things that
aren't 'core' related or to file defects, but I have been in direct contact
with some upper level support people as of late.  They are actively trying
to fix the problems that we have, and seem to truly care.  Two days ago I
logged a ticket regarding 8.1 overlays in an upgrade scenario, and had a
response in less than 3 hours suggesting a WebEx...today I got around to
doing that WebEx and he had his team lead on the phone with us.  It took 2
hours to get fixed, but got fixed in a single call and required some
advanced DB level workso while I still don't go to them unless I can't
solve it (which isn't often honestly with personal experience, ARSList, and
BMC Communities at hand)the last few times I have contacted them, the
experience seems better than it was for many years.


On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 4:00 PM, Howard Richter  wrote:

> Shawn,
>
> Since I have worked with Remedy since 1996, I can say that its has been a
> downward spiral since Peregrine acquired Remedy. The initial Remedy support
> was great, then when Peregrine fired most of the Remedy team it was for
> (please fill in the blank).
>
> When BMC picked up Remedy, things did get better (not as good as it was
> but better). However, the spiral started again. The first few years of BMC
> it did get better, then the move to off shoring support (with not enough
> training of the staff) and cost cutting. Down it went.
>
> Now a days I am not sure what is going on. I wonder if the head of
> support, has ever supported any customer or even answered a support call.
>
> When I know more than the level 2s or 3s, something is wrong. I am unsure
> why they cut so many old timers, but my guess it’s a money issue.
>
> As far as the support provided by other companies, they all have some good
> people and not so good people. However, I expect that the level 2s and
> higher to know more about the system they support and have the ability to
> help with the odd issues.
>
> Sorry for the rant, but I expect good support when I pay good money for
> it. And lately you cannot use "Good support" and "BMC" in the same
> sentence.  Which is very sad for all of us in the world of Remedy.
>
> Hbr
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:
> arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Pierson, Shawn
> Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 12:15 PM
> To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
> Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?
>
> We have SAP (and Oracle eBusiness) within my organization, and I haven't
> heard any unusual complaints.  Is it worse than BMC's, "Send us the same
> log files you already sent us so we can ask you for new log files of the
> same thing next week, then we'll close the ticket out for being too old"
> customer service?  I haven't interacted with BMC Support for a while so
> maybe I'm being unfair, but it often seemed like they just wanted to waste
> your time and hope you solved the problem on your own.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Shawn Pierson
> Remedy Developer | Energy Transfer
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:
> arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Hulmes, Timothy CTR MDA/ICTO
> Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 11:04 AM
> To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
> Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?
>
> The only thing I will add about the SAP discussion is, have you ever dealt
> with support from SAP?
>
> Tim
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:
> arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Pierson, Shawn
> Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 6:42 AM
> To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
> Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?
>
> I'm curious, why would Remedy being sold to SAP or Oracle be a negative
> thing in your opinion?  I think it's big enough that it wouldn't be
> swallowed up inside of one of their applications (how long has it taken
> Oracle to combine the eBusiness Suite with PeopleSoft despite the products
> directly competing?)  I can see if support deteriorates, maintenance goes
> up, or some other unknown odd factor, but it seems to me like it might be
> an opportunity for Remedy to be implemented in shops that may not have a
> good ITSM solution but already have installs of SAP, Oracle, or whoever
> hypothetically buys Remedy.  If that's a pessimistic scenario it doesn't
> seem too bad to me.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Shawn Pierson
> Remedy Developer | 

Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

[Howard Richter]

Shawn,

Since I have worked with Remedy since 1996, I can say that its has been a 
downward spiral since Peregrine acquired Remedy. The initial Remedy support was 
great, then when Peregrine fired most of the Remedy team it was for (please 
fill in the blank).

When BMC picked up Remedy, things did get better (not as good as it was but 
better). However, the spiral started again. The first few years of BMC it did 
get better, then the move to off shoring support (with not enough training of 
the staff) and cost cutting. Down it went. 

Now a days I am not sure what is going on. I wonder if the head of support, has 
ever supported any customer or even answered a support call.

When I know more than the level 2s or 3s, something is wrong. I am unsure why 
they cut so many old timers, but my guess it’s a money issue. 

As far as the support provided by other companies, they all have some good 
people and not so good people. However, I expect that the level 2s and higher 
to know more about the system they support and have the ability to help with 
the odd issues. 

Sorry for the rant, but I expect good support when I pay good money for it. And 
lately you cannot use "Good support" and "BMC" in the same sentence.  Which is 
very sad for all of us in the world of Remedy.

Hbr

-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Pierson, Shawn
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 12:15 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

We have SAP (and Oracle eBusiness) within my organization, and I haven't heard 
any unusual complaints.  Is it worse than BMC's, "Send us the same log files 
you already sent us so we can ask you for new log files of the same thing next 
week, then we'll close the ticket out for being too old" customer service?  I 
haven't interacted with BMC Support for a while so maybe I'm being unfair, but 
it often seemed like they just wanted to waste your time and hope you solved 
the problem on your own.

Thanks,

Shawn Pierson 
Remedy Developer | Energy Transfer


-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Hulmes, Timothy CTR MDA/ICTO
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 11:04 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

The only thing I will add about the SAP discussion is, have you ever dealt with 
support from SAP?  

Tim


-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Pierson, Shawn
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 6:42 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

I'm curious, why would Remedy being sold to SAP or Oracle be a negative thing 
in your opinion?  I think it's big enough that it wouldn't be swallowed up 
inside of one of their applications (how long has it taken Oracle to combine 
the eBusiness Suite with PeopleSoft despite the products directly competing?)  
I can see if support deteriorates, maintenance goes up, or some other unknown 
odd factor, but it seems to me like it might be an opportunity for Remedy to be 
implemented in shops that may not have a good ITSM solution but already have 
installs of SAP, Oracle, or whoever hypothetically buys Remedy.  If that's a 
pessimistic scenario it doesn't seem too bad to me.

Thanks,

Shawn Pierson 
Remedy Developer | Energy Transfer


-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Lee Cullom
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 6:07 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

Since it's incredibly fun to speculate on this situation, I'll offer up:

- Bain will look at the profitability of the various pieces/business units - 
Mainframe, Service Management, etc...
- They'll tear out the ugly pieces and get them in the hands of someone who can 
use them (Elliot's involvement indicates that Compuware might be involved)
- They'll take the profitable pieces and put probably keep them with the newly 
private BMC that needs to invest in ESM.

So, I'm thinking... Patrol and it's ilk will end up with Compuware since it 
will give them a larger stack of monitoring tools.
Mainframe/Batch Management - IBM?  That would make sense.  The new Z's are 
coming... sure would help to pick up some nice new batch management technology 
to go with that shiny new hardware and make it part of the Tivoli product line.
Service Management - BMC grew the business significantly (per the financials 
yesterday)... and they need to transition to PaaS (for the Enterprise, that's 
Remedy) to grow dramatically.  That will require investment and innovation 
(this is an optimistic scenario for ARlist)... and an AppExchange like 
community (this group) to develop new offer

Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

[pritch]

The board said no, then Elliot came in, got some folks on the board and all of 
a sudden the board came around.  So the question becomes what's in it for the 
board that wasn't there before?  More options to exercise?  Or did they just 
'See the light'?

I really don't think there is much interest so Bain is probably the way to go.  
Doubt it will make any real difference in our lifetime - except that we can now 
become experts in helping companies migrate from Remedy to other platforms 
which will keep us working for a VERY long time.  Heck, if we could get through 
upgrades, we can surely get through a migration.

I'm in the process of helping a company get off Remedy and go to Service Now.  
Probably going to be a lot more of that in the future.
 
- Original Message -
From: "arslist" 
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2013 3:28:32 PM
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

Lawyers trolling. If they think it is worth more, the law office of Brodsky & 
Smith LLC should just put in an offer. Oh right, they had their chance and 
didn't. Or perhaps BMC should have opened itself up to higher bids? Oh right, 
they did. So what is their point again? That BMC Software should turn down an 
offer with a slight premium in favour of some potential future gain? So the BMC 
Board of Directors should gamble but they are based in Houston not Las Vegas.

I guess my question is: The Board has recommended accepting the offer, do the 
shareholders have to go along with it, or does the BMC Board actually have the 
authority and have authorized the sale to go private and the decision is final? 
What are the rules?

Dan


-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of pritch
Sent: May 9, 2013 2:35 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

Slow down on the acquisition:

Law office of Brodsky & Smith, LLC announces that it is investigating potential 
claims against the Board of Directors of BMC Software, Inc. (�BMC� or the 
�Company�) (BMC) relating to the proposed acquisition by Bain Capital, Golden 
Gate Capital, GIC Special Investments and Insight Venture Partners (�Investor 
Group�).

Here's the link:  
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/shareholder-alert-law-office-brodsky-182900157.html

- Original Message -
From: "Jason Miller" 
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2013 12:51:29 PM
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

** 
Great point! �I think BMC just got (or will later this year) the upper hand 
vs.SNOW. � BMC *can* now be more flexible while SNOW is now slave to the money. 



On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 7:17 AM, Lee Cullom < lee.cul...@northcraftanalytics.com 
> wrote: 


Oh, I totally agree that the future of Remedy would be secure. �However, I 
would be pessimistic about revenue growth and new customer acquisition because 
neither of them (Oracle or SAP) have a specialized ITSM sales force. �Pricing 
would go up, sales team quality down, and product roadmap would be cloudy and 
buried under products with much larger markets. �ITSM is only a $1.5 billion 
dollar market, so R&D dollars would go to the larger markets like CRM ($15 
Billion). �Also, there would be no hope of Remedy becoming a PaaS as it should. 
�With some architectural changes, Remedy could be the most powerful PaaS on the 
planet, so I see BMC as the last hope of that happening. �Imagine if this 
community could become part of an AppExchange. 

Still - to your point, Remedy will survive. �In fact, Remedy will survive no 
matter what happens, but I just harken back to those days when it was 
thriving... as a separate BU under Dick Stark at BMC (30+% Revenue Growth at 
that time)... or when Remedy was its own company. 

The product is still the best. �ServiceNow's biggest win was in hiring all of 
the ex-Remedy sales people and solution consultants (impact of a specialty 
sales force). �That's how they're winning... not to mention their vastly 
superior support team. �Listen to a support call with a ServiceNow customer vs. 
BMC Support. �I've heard them both multiple times since we have customers on 
both product lines. �BMC = Send me your logs, send me your logs, send me your 
logs. �Vs. SNOW = A 2nd or 3rd tier quality person on the front-line. 

However, given enough time and money, ServiceNow could make their product 
better. �On the flip side, they're a public company now, so watch how their 
model changes from what I just described. �In fact, customers tell me that they 
already charge for approvers and end users now... the cycle continues. 




For our latest product demonstrations, please visit � 
http://www.youtube.com/user/northcraftanalytics 

Lee Cullom | Northcraft Analytics 
IT Metrics Specialist | Business Intelligence for ITSM 
Direct - 678-438-7244 | lee.cul...@northcraftanalytics.com 

Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

[arslist]

Lawyers trolling. If they think it is worth more, the law office of Brodsky & 
Smith LLC should just put in an offer. Oh right, they had their chance and 
didn't. Or perhaps BMC should have opened itself up to higher bids? Oh right, 
they did. So what is their point again? That BMC Software should turn down an 
offer with a slight premium in favour of some potential future gain? So the BMC 
Board of Directors should gamble but they are based in Houston not Las Vegas.

I guess my question is: The Board has recommended accepting the offer, do the 
shareholders have to go along with it, or does the BMC Board actually have the 
authority and have authorized the sale to go private and the decision is final? 
What are the rules?

Dan


-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of pritch
Sent: May 9, 2013 2:35 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

Slow down on the acquisition:

Law office of Brodsky & Smith, LLC announces that it is investigating potential 
claims against the Board of Directors of BMC Software, Inc. (�BMC� or the 
�Company�) (BMC) relating to the proposed acquisition by Bain Capital, Golden 
Gate Capital, GIC Special Investments and Insight Venture Partners (�Investor 
Group�).

Here's the link:  
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/shareholder-alert-law-office-brodsky-182900157.html

- Original Message -
From: "Jason Miller" 
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2013 12:51:29 PM
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

** 
Great point! �I think BMC just got (or will later this year) the upper hand 
vs.SNOW. � BMC *can* now be more flexible while SNOW is now slave to the money. 



On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 7:17 AM, Lee Cullom < lee.cul...@northcraftanalytics.com 
> wrote: 


Oh, I totally agree that the future of Remedy would be secure. �However, I 
would be pessimistic about revenue growth and new customer acquisition because 
neither of them (Oracle or SAP) have a specialized ITSM sales force. �Pricing 
would go up, sales team quality down, and product roadmap would be cloudy and 
buried under products with much larger markets. �ITSM is only a $1.5 billion 
dollar market, so R&D dollars would go to the larger markets like CRM ($15 
Billion). �Also, there would be no hope of Remedy becoming a PaaS as it should. 
�With some architectural changes, Remedy could be the most powerful PaaS on the 
planet, so I see BMC as the last hope of that happening. �Imagine if this 
community could become part of an AppExchange. 

Still - to your point, Remedy will survive. �In fact, Remedy will survive no 
matter what happens, but I just harken back to those days when it was 
thriving... as a separate BU under Dick Stark at BMC (30+% Revenue Growth at 
that time)... or when Remedy was its own company. 

The product is still the best. �ServiceNow's biggest win was in hiring all of 
the ex-Remedy sales people and solution consultants (impact of a specialty 
sales force). �That's how they're winning... not to mention their vastly 
superior support team. �Listen to a support call with a ServiceNow customer vs. 
BMC Support. �I've heard them both multiple times since we have customers on 
both product lines. �BMC = Send me your logs, send me your logs, send me your 
logs. �Vs. SNOW = A 2nd or 3rd tier quality person on the front-line. 

However, given enough time and money, ServiceNow could make their product 
better. �On the flip side, they're a public company now, so watch how their 
model changes from what I just described. �In fact, customers tell me that they 
already charge for approvers and end users now... the cycle continues. 




For our latest product demonstrations, please visit � 
http://www.youtube.com/user/northcraftanalytics 

Lee Cullom | Northcraft Analytics 
IT Metrics Specialist | Business Intelligence for ITSM 
Direct - 678-438-7244 | lee.cul...@northcraftanalytics.com 
Main - (678) 664-ITSM 

http://www.northcraftanalytics.com 


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From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: 
arslist@ARSLIST.ORG ] On Behalf Of Pierson, Shawn 
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 8:42 AM 
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG 
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? 

I'm curious, why would Remedy being sold to SAP or Oracle be a negative thing 
in your opinion? �I think it's big enough that it wouldn't be swallowed up 
inside of one of their applications (how long has it taken Oracle to combine 
the eBusiness Suite with PeopleSoft despite the products directly competing?) 
�I can see if support deteriorates, maintenance goes up, or some other unknown 
o

Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

[pritch]

Slow down on the acquisition:

Law office of Brodsky & Smith, LLC announces that it is investigating potential 
claims against the Board of Directors of BMC Software, Inc. (“BMC” or the 
“Company”) (BMC) relating to the proposed acquisition by Bain Capital, Golden 
Gate Capital, GIC Special Investments and Insight Venture Partners (“Investor 
Group”).

Here's the link:  
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/shareholder-alert-law-office-brodsky-182900157.html

- Original Message -
From: "Jason Miller" 
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2013 12:51:29 PM
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

** 
Great point!  I think BMC just got (or will later this year) the upper hand 
vs.SNOW.   BMC *can* now be more flexible while SNOW is now slave to the money. 



On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 7:17 AM, Lee Cullom < lee.cul...@northcraftanalytics.com 
> wrote: 


Oh, I totally agree that the future of Remedy would be secure.  However, I 
would be pessimistic about revenue growth and new customer acquisition because 
neither of them (Oracle or SAP) have a specialized ITSM sales force.  Pricing 
would go up, sales team quality down, and product roadmap would be cloudy and 
buried under products with much larger markets.  ITSM is only a $1.5 billion 
dollar market, so R&D dollars would go to the larger markets like CRM ($15 
Billion).  Also, there would be no hope of Remedy becoming a PaaS as it should. 
 With some architectural changes, Remedy could be the most powerful PaaS on the 
planet, so I see BMC as the last hope of that happening.  Imagine if this 
community could become part of an AppExchange. 

Still - to your point, Remedy will survive.  In fact, Remedy will survive no 
matter what happens, but I just harken back to those days when it was 
thriving... as a separate BU under Dick Stark at BMC (30+% Revenue Growth at 
that time)... or when Remedy was its own company. 

The product is still the best.  ServiceNow's biggest win was in hiring all of 
the ex-Remedy sales people and solution consultants (impact of a specialty 
sales force).  That's how they're winning... not to mention their vastly 
superior support team.  Listen to a support call with a ServiceNow customer vs. 
BMC Support.  I've heard them both multiple times since we have customers on 
both product lines.  BMC = Send me your logs, send me your logs, send me your 
logs.  Vs. SNOW = A 2nd or 3rd tier quality person on the front-line. 

However, given enough time and money, ServiceNow could make their product 
better.  On the flip side, they're a public company now, so watch how their 
model changes from what I just described.  In fact, customers tell me that they 
already charge for approvers and end users now... the cycle continues. 




For our latest product demonstrations, please visit – 
http://www.youtube.com/user/northcraftanalytics 

Lee Cullom | Northcraft Analytics 
IT Metrics Specialist | Business Intelligence for ITSM 
Direct - 678-438-7244 | lee.cul...@northcraftanalytics.com 
Main - (678) 664-ITSM 

http://www.northcraftanalytics.com 


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-Original Message- 


From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: 
arslist@ARSLIST.ORG ] On Behalf Of Pierson, Shawn 
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 8:42 AM 
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG 
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? 

I'm curious, why would Remedy being sold to SAP or Oracle be a negative thing 
in your opinion?  I think it's big enough that it wouldn't be swallowed up 
inside of one of their applications (how long has it taken Oracle to combine 
the eBusiness Suite with PeopleSoft despite the products directly competing?)  
I can see if support deteriorates, maintenance goes up, or some other unknown 
odd factor, but it seems to me like it might be an opportunity for Remedy to be 
implemented in shops that may not have a good ITSM solution but already have 
installs of SAP, Oracle, or whoever hypothetically buys Remedy.  If that's a 
pessimistic scenario it doesn't seem too bad to me. 

Thanks, 

Shawn Pierson 
Remedy Developer | Energy Transfer 


-Original Message- 
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: 
arslist@ARSLIST.ORG ] On Behalf Of Lee Cullom 
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 6:07 AM 
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG 
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? 

Since it's incredibly fun to speculate on this situation, I'll offer up: 

- Bain will look at the profitability of the various pieces/business units - 
Mainframe, Service Management, etc... 
- They'll tear out the ugly pieces and get them in the hands of someone who can 
use them (Elliot's involvement indicates that Compuware might be inv

Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

[Jason Miller]

Great point!  I think BMC just got (or will later this year) the upper hand
vs.SNOW.  BMC *can* now be more flexible while SNOW is now slave to the
money.


On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 7:17 AM, Lee Cullom <
lee.cul...@northcraftanalytics.com> wrote:

> Oh, I totally agree that the future of Remedy would be secure.  However, I
> would be pessimistic about revenue growth and new customer acquisition
> because neither of them (Oracle or SAP) have a specialized ITSM sales
> force.  Pricing would go up, sales team quality down, and product roadmap
> would be cloudy and buried under products with much larger markets.  ITSM
> is only a $1.5 billion dollar market, so R&D dollars would go to the larger
> markets like CRM ($15 Billion).  Also, there would be no hope of Remedy
> becoming a PaaS as it should.  With some architectural changes, Remedy
> could be the most powerful PaaS on the planet, so I see BMC as the last
> hope of that happening.  Imagine if this community could become part of an
> AppExchange.
>
> Still - to your point, Remedy will survive.  In fact, Remedy will survive
> no matter what happens, but I just harken back to those days when it was
> thriving... as a separate BU under Dick Stark at BMC (30+% Revenue Growth
> at that time)... or when Remedy was its own company.
>
> The product is still the best.  ServiceNow's biggest win was in hiring all
> of the ex-Remedy sales people and solution consultants (impact of a
> specialty sales force).  That's how they're winning... not to mention their
> vastly superior support team.  Listen to a support call with a ServiceNow
> customer vs. BMC Support.  I've heard them both multiple times since we
> have customers on both product lines.  BMC = Send me your logs, send me
> your logs, send me your logs.  Vs. SNOW = A 2nd or 3rd tier quality person
> on the front-line.
>
> However, given enough time and money, ServiceNow could make their product
> better.  On the flip side, they're a public company now, so watch how their
> model changes from what I just described.  In fact, customers tell me that
> they already charge for approvers and end users now... the cycle continues.
>
>
>
> For our latest product demonstrations, please visit –
> http://www.youtube.com/user/northcraftanalytics
>
> Lee Cullom | Northcraft Analytics
> IT Metrics Specialist | Business Intelligence for ITSM
> Direct - 678-438-7244 | lee.cul...@northcraftanalytics.com
> Main - (678) 664-ITSM
>
> http://www.northcraftanalytics.com
>
>
> THE CONTENTS OF THIS EMAIL, INCLUDING THE CONTENTS OF ANY ATTACHMENTS
> HERETO, CONSTITUTES “CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION” AND IS SUBJECT TO A
> CONFIDENTIALITY AND NON-DISCLOSURE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE RECIPIENT AND
> NORTHCRAFT ANALYTICS LLC.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:
> arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Pierson, Shawn
> Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 8:42 AM
> To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
> Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?
>
> I'm curious, why would Remedy being sold to SAP or Oracle be a negative
> thing in your opinion?  I think it's big enough that it wouldn't be
> swallowed up inside of one of their applications (how long has it taken
> Oracle to combine the eBusiness Suite with PeopleSoft despite the products
> directly competing?)  I can see if support deteriorates, maintenance goes
> up, or some other unknown odd factor, but it seems to me like it might be
> an opportunity for Remedy to be implemented in shops that may not have a
> good ITSM solution but already have installs of SAP, Oracle, or whoever
> hypothetically buys Remedy.  If that's a pessimistic scenario it doesn't
> seem too bad to me.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Shawn Pierson
> Remedy Developer | Energy Transfer
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:
> arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Lee Cullom
> Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 6:07 AM
> To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
> Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?
>
> Since it's incredibly fun to speculate on this situation, I'll offer up:
>
> - Bain will look at the profitability of the various pieces/business units
> - Mainframe, Service Management, etc...
> - They'll tear out the ugly pieces and get them in the hands of someone
> who can use them (Elliot's involvement indicates that Compuware might be
> involved)
> - They'll take the profitable pieces and put probably keep them with the
> newly private BMC that needs to invest in ESM.
>
> So, I'm thinking... Patrol and it's ilk will end up with Compuware since
> it will give them a larger stack of monitoring tools.
> M

Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

[Pierson, Shawn]

We have SAP (and Oracle eBusiness) within my organization, and I haven't heard 
any unusual complaints.  Is it worse than BMC's, "Send us the same log files 
you already sent us so we can ask you for new log files of the same thing next 
week, then we'll close the ticket out for being too old" customer service?  I 
haven't interacted with BMC Support for a while so maybe I'm being unfair, but 
it often seemed like they just wanted to waste your time and hope you solved 
the problem on your own.

Thanks,

Shawn Pierson 
Remedy Developer | Energy Transfer


-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Hulmes, Timothy CTR MDA/ICTO
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 11:04 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

The only thing I will add about the SAP discussion is, have you ever dealt with 
support from SAP?  

Tim


-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Pierson, Shawn
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 6:42 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

I'm curious, why would Remedy being sold to SAP or Oracle be a negative thing 
in your opinion?  I think it's big enough that it wouldn't be swallowed up 
inside of one of their applications (how long has it taken Oracle to combine 
the eBusiness Suite with PeopleSoft despite the products directly competing?)  
I can see if support deteriorates, maintenance goes up, or some other unknown 
odd factor, but it seems to me like it might be an opportunity for Remedy to be 
implemented in shops that may not have a good ITSM solution but already have 
installs of SAP, Oracle, or whoever hypothetically buys Remedy.  If that's a 
pessimistic scenario it doesn't seem too bad to me.

Thanks,

Shawn Pierson 
Remedy Developer | Energy Transfer


-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Lee Cullom
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 6:07 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

Since it's incredibly fun to speculate on this situation, I'll offer up:

- Bain will look at the profitability of the various pieces/business units - 
Mainframe, Service Management, etc...
- They'll tear out the ugly pieces and get them in the hands of someone who can 
use them (Elliot's involvement indicates that Compuware might be involved)
- They'll take the profitable pieces and put probably keep them with the newly 
private BMC that needs to invest in ESM.

So, I'm thinking... Patrol and it's ilk will end up with Compuware since it 
will give them a larger stack of monitoring tools.
Mainframe/Batch Management - IBM?  That would make sense.  The new Z's are 
coming... sure would help to pick up some nice new batch management technology 
to go with that shiny new hardware and make it part of the Tivoli product line.
Service Management - BMC grew the business significantly (per the financials 
yesterday)... and they need to transition to PaaS (for the Enterprise, that's 
Remedy) to grow dramatically.  That will require investment and innovation 
(this is an optimistic scenario for ARlist)... and an AppExchange like 
community (this group) to develop new offerings that are needed to compete with 
ServiceNow (such as HR Call Center, Facilities Management, etc...).  This will 
require some heavy ARsystem work as well (go Doug!) to make it MORE ready for 
the cloud.

Remedyforce is the SaaS offering for small mid-size with the inferior PaaS 
capabilies of Salesforce.com (proprietary Apex coding) and different price 
point.

The pessimistic scenario is that Remedy gets thrown o SAP or Oracle to become 
another app that is part of those gianormous suites (like Oracle EBS).

However, this much is certain.  There are going to be changes at some point 
with new ownership.  

Now, please continue the speculation... This is a fun topic!



For our latest product demonstrations, please visit – 
http://www.youtube.com/user/northcraftanalytics

Lee Cullom | Northcraft Analytics
IT Metrics Specialist | Business Intelligence for ITSM Direct - 678-438-7244 | 
lee.cul...@northcraftanalytics.com
Main - (678) 664-ITSM

http://www.northcraftanalytics.com 


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From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Jesse
Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2013 10:29 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

Depends 

Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

[Hulmes, Timothy CTR MDA/ICTO]

The only thing I will add about the SAP discussion is, have you ever dealt with 
support from SAP?  

Tim


-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Pierson, Shawn
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 6:42 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

I'm curious, why would Remedy being sold to SAP or Oracle be a negative thing 
in your opinion?  I think it's big enough that it wouldn't be swallowed up 
inside of one of their applications (how long has it taken Oracle to combine 
the eBusiness Suite with PeopleSoft despite the products directly competing?)  
I can see if support deteriorates, maintenance goes up, or some other unknown 
odd factor, but it seems to me like it might be an opportunity for Remedy to be 
implemented in shops that may not have a good ITSM solution but already have 
installs of SAP, Oracle, or whoever hypothetically buys Remedy.  If that's a 
pessimistic scenario it doesn't seem too bad to me.

Thanks,

Shawn Pierson 
Remedy Developer | Energy Transfer


-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Lee Cullom
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 6:07 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

Since it's incredibly fun to speculate on this situation, I'll offer up:

- Bain will look at the profitability of the various pieces/business units - 
Mainframe, Service Management, etc...
- They'll tear out the ugly pieces and get them in the hands of someone who can 
use them (Elliot's involvement indicates that Compuware might be involved)
- They'll take the profitable pieces and put probably keep them with the newly 
private BMC that needs to invest in ESM.

So, I'm thinking... Patrol and it's ilk will end up with Compuware since it 
will give them a larger stack of monitoring tools.
Mainframe/Batch Management - IBM?  That would make sense.  The new Z's are 
coming... sure would help to pick up some nice new batch management technology 
to go with that shiny new hardware and make it part of the Tivoli product line.
Service Management - BMC grew the business significantly (per the financials 
yesterday)... and they need to transition to PaaS (for the Enterprise, that's 
Remedy) to grow dramatically.  That will require investment and innovation 
(this is an optimistic scenario for ARlist)... and an AppExchange like 
community (this group) to develop new offerings that are needed to compete with 
ServiceNow (such as HR Call Center, Facilities Management, etc...).  This will 
require some heavy ARsystem work as well (go Doug!) to make it MORE ready for 
the cloud.

Remedyforce is the SaaS offering for small mid-size with the inferior PaaS 
capabilies of Salesforce.com (proprietary Apex coding) and different price 
point.

The pessimistic scenario is that Remedy gets thrown o SAP or Oracle to become 
another app that is part of those gianormous suites (like Oracle EBS).

However, this much is certain.  There are going to be changes at some point 
with new ownership.  

Now, please continue the speculation... This is a fun topic!



For our latest product demonstrations, please visit – 
http://www.youtube.com/user/northcraftanalytics

Lee Cullom | Northcraft Analytics
IT Metrics Specialist | Business Intelligence for ITSM Direct - 678-438-7244 | 
lee.cul...@northcraftanalytics.com
Main - (678) 664-ITSM

http://www.northcraftanalytics.com 


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Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2013 10:29 AM
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Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

Depends on your definition of "successful" Bain makes money for stock holders 
... yes successful company??? well

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Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

[Lee Cullom]

Oh, I totally agree that the future of Remedy would be secure.  However, I 
would be pessimistic about revenue growth and new customer acquisition because 
neither of them (Oracle or SAP) have a specialized ITSM sales force.  Pricing 
would go up, sales team quality down, and product roadmap would be cloudy and 
buried under products with much larger markets.  ITSM is only a $1.5 billion 
dollar market, so R&D dollars would go to the larger markets like CRM ($15 
Billion).  Also, there would be no hope of Remedy becoming a PaaS as it should. 
 With some architectural changes, Remedy could be the most powerful PaaS on the 
planet, so I see BMC as the last hope of that happening.  Imagine if this 
community could become part of an AppExchange.

Still - to your point, Remedy will survive.  In fact, Remedy will survive no 
matter what happens, but I just harken back to those days when it was 
thriving... as a separate BU under Dick Stark at BMC (30+% Revenue Growth at 
that time)... or when Remedy was its own company.

The product is still the best.  ServiceNow's biggest win was in hiring all of 
the ex-Remedy sales people and solution consultants (impact of a specialty 
sales force).  That's how they're winning... not to mention their vastly 
superior support team.  Listen to a support call with a ServiceNow customer vs. 
BMC Support.  I've heard them both multiple times since we have customers on 
both product lines.  BMC = Send me your logs, send me your logs, send me your 
logs.  Vs. SNOW = A 2nd or 3rd tier quality person on the front-line.

However, given enough time and money, ServiceNow could make their product 
better.  On the flip side, they're a public company now, so watch how their 
model changes from what I just described.  In fact, customers tell me that they 
already charge for approvers and end users now... the cycle continues.



For our latest product demonstrations, please visit – 
http://www.youtube.com/user/northcraftanalytics

Lee Cullom | Northcraft Analytics
IT Metrics Specialist | Business Intelligence for ITSM
Direct - 678-438-7244 | lee.cul...@northcraftanalytics.com 
Main - (678) 664-ITSM

http://www.northcraftanalytics.com 


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-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Pierson, Shawn
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 8:42 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

I'm curious, why would Remedy being sold to SAP or Oracle be a negative thing 
in your opinion?  I think it's big enough that it wouldn't be swallowed up 
inside of one of their applications (how long has it taken Oracle to combine 
the eBusiness Suite with PeopleSoft despite the products directly competing?)  
I can see if support deteriorates, maintenance goes up, or some other unknown 
odd factor, but it seems to me like it might be an opportunity for Remedy to be 
implemented in shops that may not have a good ITSM solution but already have 
installs of SAP, Oracle, or whoever hypothetically buys Remedy.  If that's a 
pessimistic scenario it doesn't seem too bad to me.

Thanks,

Shawn Pierson 
Remedy Developer | Energy Transfer


-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Lee Cullom
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 6:07 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

Since it's incredibly fun to speculate on this situation, I'll offer up:

- Bain will look at the profitability of the various pieces/business units - 
Mainframe, Service Management, etc...
- They'll tear out the ugly pieces and get them in the hands of someone who can 
use them (Elliot's involvement indicates that Compuware might be involved)
- They'll take the profitable pieces and put probably keep them with the newly 
private BMC that needs to invest in ESM.

So, I'm thinking... Patrol and it's ilk will end up with Compuware since it 
will give them a larger stack of monitoring tools.
Mainframe/Batch Management - IBM?  That would make sense.  The new Z's are 
coming... sure would help to pick up some nice new batch management technology 
to go with that shiny new hardware and make it part of the Tivoli product line.
Service Management - BMC grew the business significantly (per the financials 
yesterday)... and they need to transition to PaaS (for the Enterprise, that's 
Remedy) to grow dramatically.  That will require investment and innovation 
(this is an optimistic scenario for ARlist)... and an AppExchange like 
community (this group) to develop new offerings that are needed to compete with 
ServiceNow (such as HR Ca

Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

[Pierson, Shawn]

I'm curious, why would Remedy being sold to SAP or Oracle be a negative thing 
in your opinion?  I think it's big enough that it wouldn't be swallowed up 
inside of one of their applications (how long has it taken Oracle to combine 
the eBusiness Suite with PeopleSoft despite the products directly competing?)  
I can see if support deteriorates, maintenance goes up, or some other unknown 
odd factor, but it seems to me like it might be an opportunity for Remedy to be 
implemented in shops that may not have a good ITSM solution but already have 
installs of SAP, Oracle, or whoever hypothetically buys Remedy.  If that's a 
pessimistic scenario it doesn't seem too bad to me.

Thanks,

Shawn Pierson 
Remedy Developer | Energy Transfer


-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Lee Cullom
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 6:07 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

Since it's incredibly fun to speculate on this situation, I'll offer up:

- Bain will look at the profitability of the various pieces/business units - 
Mainframe, Service Management, etc...
- They'll tear out the ugly pieces and get them in the hands of someone who can 
use them (Elliot's involvement indicates that Compuware might be involved)
- They'll take the profitable pieces and put probably keep them with the newly 
private BMC that needs to invest in ESM.

So, I'm thinking... Patrol and it's ilk will end up with Compuware since it 
will give them a larger stack of monitoring tools.
Mainframe/Batch Management - IBM?  That would make sense.  The new Z's are 
coming... sure would help to pick up some nice new batch management technology 
to go with that shiny new hardware and make it part of the Tivoli product line.
Service Management - BMC grew the business significantly (per the financials 
yesterday)... and they need to transition to PaaS (for the Enterprise, that's 
Remedy) to grow dramatically.  That will require investment and innovation 
(this is an optimistic scenario for ARlist)... and an AppExchange like 
community (this group) to develop new offerings that are needed to compete with 
ServiceNow (such as HR Call Center, Facilities Management, etc...).  This will 
require some heavy ARsystem work as well (go Doug!) to make it MORE ready for 
the cloud.

Remedyforce is the SaaS offering for small mid-size with the inferior PaaS 
capabilies of Salesforce.com (proprietary Apex coding) and different price 
point.

The pessimistic scenario is that Remedy gets thrown o SAP or Oracle to become 
another app that is part of those gianormous suites (like Oracle EBS).

However, this much is certain.  There are going to be changes at some point 
with new ownership.  

Now, please continue the speculation... This is a fun topic!



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Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

Depends on your definition of "successful" Bain makes money for stock holders 
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Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

[Lee Cullom]

Since it's incredibly fun to speculate on this situation, I'll offer up:

- Bain will look at the profitability of the various pieces/business units - 
Mainframe, Service Management, etc...
- They'll tear out the ugly pieces and get them in the hands of someone who can 
use them (Elliot's involvement indicates that Compuware might be involved)
- They'll take the profitable pieces and put probably keep them with the newly 
private BMC that needs to invest in ESM.

So, I'm thinking... Patrol and it's ilk will end up with Compuware since it 
will give them a larger stack of monitoring tools.
Mainframe/Batch Management - IBM?  That would make sense.  The new Z's are 
coming... sure would help to pick up some nice new batch management technology 
to go with that shiny new hardware and make it part of the Tivoli product line.
Service Management - BMC grew the business significantly (per the financials 
yesterday)... and they need to transition to PaaS (for the Enterprise, that's 
Remedy) to grow dramatically.  That will require investment and innovation 
(this is an optimistic scenario for ARlist)... and an AppExchange like 
community (this group) to develop new offerings that are needed to compete with 
ServiceNow (such as HR Call Center, Facilities Management, etc...).  This will 
require some heavy ARsystem work as well (go Doug!) to make it MORE ready for 
the cloud.

Remedyforce is the SaaS offering for small mid-size with the inferior PaaS 
capabilies of Salesforce.com (proprietary Apex coding) and different price 
point.

The pessimistic scenario is that Remedy gets thrown o SAP or Oracle to become 
another app that is part of those gianormous suites (like Oracle EBS).

However, this much is certain.  There are going to be changes at some point 
with new ownership.  

Now, please continue the speculation... This is a fun topic!



For our latest product demonstrations, please visit – 
http://www.youtube.com/user/northcraftanalytics

Lee Cullom | Northcraft Analytics
IT Metrics Specialist | Business Intelligence for ITSM
Direct - 678-438-7244 | lee.cul...@northcraftanalytics.com 
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From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Jesse
Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2013 10:29 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

Depends on your definition of "successful" Bain makes money for stock holders 
... yes successful company??? well

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[Jesse]

Depends on your definition of "successful" Bain makes money for stock holders 
... yes
successful company??? well

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[richard....@bwc.state.oh.us]

They also have invested in a number of companies that are successful. Check out 
the
Wikipedia article on Bain Capital...

From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Pierson, Shawn
Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2013 3:14 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

**
They are also supposedly looking to buy Compuware.  Since Bain has a history of 
also buying companies, starving them of cash and selling off their remains, I 
think the areas of concern from a BMC employee perspective should be the areas 
that overlap with Compuware at this point, which doesn't include Remedy.  It 
would make sense for them to sell off Remedy and other product lines whether 
BMC survives or not.  The Remedy business still is strong enough that it's 
likely that anyone who buys it would be interested in actually using it to make 
money rather than shutting it down.  If they end buying it, I can see Oracle 
expanding Remedy's market share if they try to bundle some portion of it in 
with their eBusiness suite or Peoplesoft or something.

In any case, I'm not a fan of Bain - not because of politics, but because my 
kids can't enjoy going to K.B. Toys like I used to when I was a kid, and Toys 
R' Us appears to be on the verge of bankruptcy as well.  I haven't looked into 
it but I wouldn't be surprised if others that you listed are in financial 
trouble now as well.  Maybe it will work out ok for Remedy, but I will be 
surprised if BMC is as stable (or even around) in five years as it was before 
now.

Thanks,

Shawn Pierson
Remedy Developer | Energy Transfer

From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Steve Kallestad
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 2:59 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG<mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG>
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

**
> BTW - the MN Vikings still are without a Superbowl in 2021 :(

That's just mean spirited.

===
We've all been through this before. Some things will happen that we don't like 
beyond our control, but in the end the technology we all use and the industry 
we're all a part of will be just fine.

You never know, this could be a very good thing that expands market share and 
increases the size of our community. Bain is Guitar Center, Gymboree, Staples, 
Clear Channel, Dominoes Pizza, Dunkin' Donuts, Toys R Us, and Sports Authority. 
Those are all pretty much household names. It's not such a bad thing to have 
the Action Request System on the same list.

--Steve

On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 11:37 AM, John Sundberg 
mailto:john.sundb...@kineticdata.com>> wrote:
**

On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 7:04 PM, John Sundberg 
mailto:john.sundb...@kineticdata.com>>

wrote:





** It is a little hard to say what "version" it was



Because in 2012 -- BMC renamed it all to BMC Atrium ... threw in the

kitchen sink -- which included the Remedy product and the ITSM Suite + some

discovery software + a CMDB...



But in 2014 Oracle broke it all up -- and peeled off the ITSM software

into something they called "Oracle Service Support"  (And the concept of a

development admin tool went away) -- it is purely configuration and consulting

to configure the product...

(Traditional Remedy customer are unhappy - new customers don't know

better - think they are eating a juicy steak - turns out it is pink slime)



RemedyForce was taken over by Business.com (aka Salesforce.com).



RemedyOnDemand - still exists -- but is part of "Oracle Scalable

Enterprise" - which everybody calls "Oh say ... can you see" -- because nobody

can actually see it working... kind of a weird industry joke... (Still not sure

about it -- I think 2021 humor goes over my head)



Same timeframe -- Oracle renamed Remedy to "Oracle Enable" ... and it

became really the "adhoc" business "back-office" apps generator



SRM was abandoned by Oracle -- really BMC killed it before Oracle got

it (circa 2011) - BMC just never told the customers.



Of course Kinetic Data stayed independent and front-ends both Oracle

Service Support and the Enable framework - keeping customers happy - regardless

of the shenanigans behind the scenes...



BTW - the MN Vikings still are without a Superbowl in 2021 :(



Obama gets reelected.

Republican gets elected 2016 -- does a fair job - but chooses not to

rerun.

Hillary gets 2020.



And that is all I know...





-John

On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 1:24 PM, Howard Richter 
mailto:hbr4...@gmail.com>> wrote:
**
Yep and that is what Bain will sell first to pay for this deal.
Maybe they will sell Remedy to Oracle and then BMC will license it back for 
ITSM.

Hbr

Sent from my iPhon

Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

[Pierson, Shawn]

They are also supposedly looking to buy Compuware.  Since Bain has a history of 
also buying companies, starving them of cash and selling off their remains, I 
think the areas of concern from a BMC employee perspective should be the areas 
that overlap with Compuware at this point, which doesn't include Remedy.  It 
would make sense for them to sell off Remedy and other product lines whether 
BMC survives or not.  The Remedy business still is strong enough that it's 
likely that anyone who buys it would be interested in actually using it to make 
money rather than shutting it down.  If they end buying it, I can see Oracle 
expanding Remedy's market share if they try to bundle some portion of it in 
with their eBusiness suite or Peoplesoft or something.

In any case, I'm not a fan of Bain - not because of politics, but because my 
kids can't enjoy going to K.B. Toys like I used to when I was a kid, and Toys 
R' Us appears to be on the verge of bankruptcy as well.  I haven't looked into 
it but I wouldn't be surprised if others that you listed are in financial 
trouble now as well.  Maybe it will work out ok for Remedy, but I will be 
surprised if BMC is as stable (or even around) in five years as it was before 
now.

Thanks,

Shawn Pierson
Remedy Developer | Energy Transfer

From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Steve Kallestad
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 2:59 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

**
> BTW - the MN Vikings still are without a Superbowl in 2021 :(

That's just mean spirited.

===
We've all been through this before. Some things will happen that we don't like 
beyond our control, but in the end the technology we all use and the industry 
we're all a part of will be just fine.

You never know, this could be a very good thing that expands market share and 
increases the size of our community. Bain is Guitar Center, Gymboree, Staples, 
Clear Channel, Dominoes Pizza, Dunkin' Donuts, Toys R Us, and Sports Authority. 
Those are all pretty much household names. It's not such a bad thing to have 
the Action Request System on the same list.

--Steve

On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 11:37 AM, John Sundberg 
mailto:john.sundb...@kineticdata.com>> wrote:
**

On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 7:04 PM, John Sundberg 
mailto:john.sundb...@kineticdata.com>>

wrote:





** It is a little hard to say what "version" it was



Because in 2012 -- BMC renamed it all to BMC Atrium ... threw in the

kitchen sink -- which included the Remedy product and the ITSM Suite + some

discovery software + a CMDB...



But in 2014 Oracle broke it all up -- and peeled off the ITSM software

into something they called "Oracle Service Support"  (And the concept of a

development admin tool went away) -- it is purely configuration and consulting

to configure the product...

(Traditional Remedy customer are unhappy - new customers don't know

better - think they are eating a juicy steak - turns out it is pink slime)



RemedyForce was taken over by Business.com (aka Salesforce.com).



RemedyOnDemand - still exists -- but is part of "Oracle Scalable

Enterprise" - which everybody calls "Oh say ... can you see" -- because nobody

can actually see it working... kind of a weird industry joke... (Still not sure

about it -- I think 2021 humor goes over my head)



Same timeframe -- Oracle renamed Remedy to "Oracle Enable" ... and it

became really the "adhoc" business "back-office" apps generator



SRM was abandoned by Oracle -- really BMC killed it before Oracle got

it (circa 2011) - BMC just never told the customers.



Of course Kinetic Data stayed independent and front-ends both Oracle

Service Support and the Enable framework - keeping customers happy - regardless

of the shenanigans behind the scenes...



BTW - the MN Vikings still are without a Superbowl in 2021 :(



Obama gets reelected.

Republican gets elected 2016 -- does a fair job - but chooses not to

rerun.

Hillary gets 2020.



And that is all I know...





-John

On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 1:24 PM, Howard Richter 
mailto:hbr4...@gmail.com>> wrote:
**
Yep and that is what Bain will sell first to pay for this deal.
Maybe they will sell Remedy to Oracle and then BMC will license it back for 
ITSM.

Hbr

Sent from my iPhone 5

On May 6, 2013, at 1:43 PM, laurent matheo mailto:lm...@me.com>> 
wrote:
**
Humm isn't mainframe the most profitable part of BMC?

On 06 May, 2013,at 07:33 PM, patchsk 
mailto:vamsi...@gmail.com>> wrote:
** We can never know how the forces end up playing the cards. After all the 
links between ServiceNow and Remedy/BMC are not very distant.

ServiceNow is a 
s

Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

[Rick Westbrock]

I was going to come back with "Well that just shows how (un)successful it
was then, doesn't it?" until I did a quick check and apparently the launch
went well, up 37% the first day (6/29/12). They opened at $40 today,
compared to the initial offering at $18 (if I'm reading the numbers
correctly).

 

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From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Sanford, Claire
Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2013 11:41 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

 

** 

I didn't even know they did an IPO

 

From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of arslist
Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2013 1:09 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

 

** 

Not April 1st, and take a look on line and you can see the record of
transactions since they fall under insider trading regulations.

The directors have taken out hundreds of millions since last November.

 

Please Note:  I am not suggesting that these transactions are illegal since
I don't know US laws or what goes around what is appropriate or not, and
there are SEC filings around these trades.

 

 

Daniel

 

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[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of richard@bwc.state.oh.us
Sent: May 7, 2013 1:47 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

 

** 

On April 1st?hm

 

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[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of d...@wwrug.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2013 1:41 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

 

** 

As long as we are talking about Peregrine, just came across this fun article
about Service-Now ...

 

Peregrine II? ServiceNow insiders, including Moores, dumping shares

Former Peregrine insiders Moores, Noell, Luddy jettisoning stock quickly

Top of Form

 

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[pritch]

Hey - What's more important here - BMC Going to a private equity firm or the 
resurrection (ok, so not until the fall) of the Twinkie?  Hopefully they will 
be back on the shelves before the next RUG.  They just have to wait until the 
union contract expires - then the new owner of the brand can start the 
factories back up.

My guess is they will start by simply packaging all the old ones laying around. 
 From what I hear, those things never get old.

- Original Message -
From: "Claire Sanford" 
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2013 2:40:50 PM
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

** 


I didn’t even know they did an IPO 

  

From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of arslist 
Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2013 1:09 PM 
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG 
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? 

  

** 

Not April 1 st , and take a look on line and you can see the record of 
transactions since they fall under insider trading regulations. 

The directors have taken out hundreds of millions since last November. 

  

Please Note:  I am not suggesting that these transactions are illegal since I 
don’t know US laws or what goes around what is appropriate or not, and there 
are SEC filings around these trades. 

  

  

Daniel 

  

From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [ 
mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG ] On Behalf Of richard@bwc.state.oh.us 
Sent: May 7, 2013 1:47 PM 
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG 
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? 

  

** 

On April 1 st ?hm 

  


From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [ 
mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG ] On Behalf Of d...@wwrug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2013 1:41 PM 
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG 
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? 

  

** 

As long as we are talking about Peregrine, just came across this fun article 
about Service-Now ….. 

  

Peregrine II? ServiceNow insiders, including Moores, dumping shares 

Former Peregrine insiders Moores, Noell, Luddy jettisoning stock quickly 


Top of Form 

 

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[Sanford, Claire]

I didn't even know they did an IPO

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[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of arslist
Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2013 1:09 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

**
Not April 1st, and take a look on line and you can see the record of 
transactions since they fall under insider trading regulations.
The directors have taken out hundreds of millions since last November.

Please Note:  I am not suggesting that these transactions are illegal since I 
don't know US laws or what goes around what is appropriate or not, and there 
are SEC filings around these trades.


Daniel

From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of 
richard@bwc.state.oh.us<mailto:richard@bwc.state.oh.us>
Sent: May 7, 2013 1:47 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG<mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG>
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

**
On April 1st?hm

From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of d...@wwrug.com<mailto:d...@wwrug.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2013 1:41 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG<mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG>
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

**
As long as we are talking about Peregrine, just came across this fun article 
about Service-Now .

Peregrine II? ServiceNow insiders, including Moores, dumping shares
Former Peregrine insiders Moores, Noell, Luddy jettisoning stock quickly
Top of Form

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[arslist]

Not April 1st, and take a look on line and you can see the record of
transactions since they fall under insider trading regulations.

The directors have taken out hundreds of millions since last November.

 

Please Note:  I am not suggesting that these transactions are illegal since
I don't know US laws or what goes around what is appropriate or not, and
there are SEC filings around these trades.

 

 

Daniel

 

From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of richard@bwc.state.oh.us
Sent: May 7, 2013 1:47 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

 

** 

On April 1st?hm

 

From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of d...@wwrug.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2013 1:41 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

 

** 

As long as we are talking about Peregrine, just came across this fun article
about Service-Now ...

 

Peregrine II? ServiceNow insiders, including Moores, dumping shares

Former Peregrine insiders Moores, Noell, Luddy jettisoning stock quickly

Top of Form

 


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Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

[patrick zandi]

sounds like they want to get together with their friends they miss.. and
this might be a quick and legal way of visiting them on more of a permanent
basis.


On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 1:47 PM, richard@bwc.state.oh.us <
richard@bwc.state.oh.us> wrote:

> **
>
> On April 1st?hm
>
>
>
> *From:* Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:
> arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] *On Behalf Of *d...@wwrug.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 07, 2013 1:41 PM
>
> *To:* arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
> *Subject:* Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?
>
>
>
> **
>
> As long as we are talking about Peregrine, just came across this fun
> article about Service-Now …..
>
>
>
> *Peregrine II? ServiceNow insiders, including Moores, dumping shares*
>
> *Former Peregrine insiders Moores, Noell, Luddy jettisoning stock quickly*
>
> Top of Form
>
> 10
>
> Bottom of Form
>
> Don Bauder <http://www.sandiegoreader.com/staff/don-bauder/>, April 3,
> 2013
>
> Richard Pearson of Seeking Alpha has an excellent story, dated April 1, on
> massive insider selling at San Diego's ServiceNow, an information tech
> company that went public last summer. "ServiceNow insiders have now sold
> over $400 million of stock, even after its [Initial Public Offering]" in
> which insiders also dumped shares. Just in the past eight weeks, insiders
> have sold $80 million of shares, notes Pearson. "In the past, ServiceNow
> directors and management, including founder Frederic Luddy and directors
> John Moores and Charles Noell, were big early sellers of their previous
> venture, Peregrine Systems," which was one of San Diego's largest financial
> frauds. "They pulled in over half a billion dollars from sales of stock --
> even though these sales had occurred during RESTRICTED PERIODS designed to
> prevent selling by insiders."
>
> Luddy has already dumped $12.7 million worth of ServiceNow stock, Moores
> $20.6 million and Noell $9.1 million, reports Pearson. Another seller has
> been JMI Funds, connected to both Moores, its namesake, and Noell.
>
> "ServiceNow Director John Moores had previously been chairman of Peregrine
> Systems, and his [venture capital] firm JMI Capital held a substantial
> stake. He had recruited Fred Luddy to assume the eventual role of chief
> technology officer," writes Pearson. "ServiceNow Director Charles Noell
> served as a Peregrine director and as the audit committee chairman."
>
> Now as long as none of them are behind the BMC buyout …. Daniel
>
>
>
> *From:* Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [
> mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG ] *On Behalf Of *Matt
> Laurenceau
> *Sent:* May 6, 2013 4:24 PM
> *To:* arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
> *Subject:* Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?
>
>
>
> **
>
> The Blog that Sylvain Yvon shared has been written by Mark 
> Stouse<http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=1013839&locale=en_US&trk=tyah>
> .
>
> If you don't know Mark yet, he is the VP I mentioned in this blog 
> post<http://e20now.blogspot.fr/2013/01/should-every-post-be-approved.html>,
> wanting *authenticity when blogging*.
>
>
>
> That's how he behaved these past months, with me directly and also on
> Social Networks <https://communities.bmc.com/people/mstouse/blog/2013>:
> authentic, sharing facts, and adding the Business perspective.
>
> I'm definitely confident that this transaction (if/when completed) will
> help us to be in *start-up mode* again (as most of you may know, I joined
> Remedy before the "Peregrine acquisition" days), allowing mid/long-term
> investments and flexibility that boost bigger innovation.
>
>
>
> Looking forward to WWRUG13,
>
>
>
> ~ Matt Laurenceau
> Sr Community Ambassador, BMC Communities
> http://bit.ly/MattProfiles
> Skype: matt.laurenceau
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 3:37 PM, laurent matheo  wrote:
>
> **
>
> I just hope some guys I know at BMC will be ok after the buyout...
> This could good or this could be a disaster...
>
>
> On 06 May, 2013,at 03:32 PM, Sylvain YVON  wrote:
>
>  **
>
>
> https://communities.bmc.com/people/mstouse/blog/2013/05/06/bmc-software-writes-a-new-line-of-code-today?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
>
>
>
> On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 2:42 PM, patrick zandi  wrote:
>
> **
>
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/05/06/bmc_buyout/
>
> Buyout soon...
>
> --
> Patrick Zandi
>
> _ARSlist: "Where the Answers Are" and have been for 20 years_
>
>
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Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

[richard....@bwc.state.oh.us]

On April 1st?hm

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Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2013 1:41 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

**
As long as we are talking about Peregrine, just came across this fun article 
about Service-Now .

Peregrine II? ServiceNow insiders, including Moores, dumping shares
Former Peregrine insiders Moores, Noell, Luddy jettisoning stock quickly
Top of Form
10
Bottom of Form
Don Bauder<http://www.sandiegoreader.com/staff/don-bauder/>, April 3, 2013
Richard Pearson of Seeking Alpha has an excellent story, dated April 1, on 
massive insider selling at San Diego's ServiceNow, an information tech company 
that went public last summer. "ServiceNow insiders have now sold over $400 
million of stock, even after its [Initial Public Offering]" in which insiders 
also dumped shares. Just in the past eight weeks, insiders have sold $80 
million of shares, notes Pearson. "In the past, ServiceNow directors and 
management, including founder Frederic Luddy and directors John Moores and 
Charles Noell, were big early sellers of their previous venture, Peregrine 
Systems," which was one of San Diego's largest financial frauds. "They pulled 
in over half a billion dollars from sales of stock -- even though these sales 
had occurred during RESTRICTED PERIODS designed to prevent selling by insiders."
Luddy has already dumped $12.7 million worth of ServiceNow stock, Moores $20.6 
million and Noell $9.1 million, reports Pearson. Another seller has been JMI 
Funds, connected to both Moores, its namesake, and Noell.
"ServiceNow Director John Moores had previously been chairman of Peregrine 
Systems, and his [venture capital] firm JMI Capital held a substantial stake. 
He had recruited Fred Luddy to assume the eventual role of chief technology 
officer," writes Pearson. "ServiceNow Director Charles Noell served as a 
Peregrine director and as the audit committee chairman."
Now as long as none of them are behind the BMC buyout  Daniel

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[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Matt Laurenceau
Sent: May 6, 2013 4:24 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG<mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG>
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

**
The Blog that Sylvain Yvon shared has been written by Mark 
Stouse<http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=1013839&locale=en_US&trk=tyah>.
If you don't know Mark yet, he is the VP I mentioned in this blog 
post<http://e20now.blogspot.fr/2013/01/should-every-post-be-approved.html>, 
wanting authenticity when blogging.

That's how he behaved these past months, with me directly and also on Social 
Networks<https://communities.bmc.com/people/mstouse/blog/2013>: authentic, 
sharing facts, and adding the Business perspective.
I'm definitely confident that this transaction (if/when completed) will help us 
to be in start-up mode again (as most of you may know, I joined Remedy before 
the "Peregrine acquisition" days), allowing mid/long-term investments and 
flexibility that boost bigger innovation.

Looking forward to WWRUG13,

~ Matt Laurenceau
Sr Community Ambassador, BMC Communities
http://bit.ly/MattProfiles
Skype: matt.laurenceau



On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 3:37 PM, laurent matheo 
mailto:lm...@me.com>> wrote:
**
I just hope some guys I know at BMC will be ok after the buyout...
This could good or this could be a disaster...

On 06 May, 2013,at 03:32 PM, Sylvain YVON 
mailto:sylvain.y...@gmail.com>> wrote:
**
https://communities.bmc.com/people/mstouse/blog/2013/05/06/bmc-software-writes-a-new-line-of-code-today?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 2:42 PM, patrick zandi 
mailto:remedy...@gmail.com>> wrote:
**
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/05/06/bmc_buyout/
Buyout soon...
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Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

[dan]

As long as we are talking about Peregrine, just came across this fun article
about Service-Now ...

 

Peregrine II? ServiceNow insiders, including Moores, dumping shares

Former Peregrine insiders Moores, Noell, Luddy jettisoning stock quickly

Top of Form

10 

Bottom of Form

Don Bauder <http://www.sandiegoreader.com/staff/don-bauder/> , April 3, 2013

Richard Pearson of Seeking Alpha has an excellent story, dated April 1, on
massive insider selling at San Diego's ServiceNow, an information tech
company that went public last summer. "ServiceNow insiders have now sold
over $400 million of stock, even after its [Initial Public Offering]" in
which insiders also dumped shares. Just in the past eight weeks, insiders
have sold $80 million of shares, notes Pearson. "In the past, ServiceNow
directors and management, including founder Frederic Luddy and directors
John Moores and Charles Noell, were big early sellers of their previous
venture, Peregrine Systems," which was one of San Diego's largest financial
frauds. "They pulled in over half a billion dollars from sales of stock --
even though these sales had occurred during RESTRICTED PERIODS designed to
prevent selling by insiders."

Luddy has already dumped $12.7 million worth of ServiceNow stock, Moores
$20.6 million and Noell $9.1 million, reports Pearson. Another seller has
been JMI Funds, connected to both Moores, its namesake, and Noell.

"ServiceNow Director John Moores had previously been chairman of Peregrine
Systems, and his [venture capital] firm JMI Capital held a substantial
stake. He had recruited Fred Luddy to assume the eventual role of chief
technology officer," writes Pearson. "ServiceNow Director Charles Noell
served as a Peregrine director and as the audit committee chairman."

Now as long as none of them are behind the BMC buyout .. Daniel

 

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[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Matt Laurenceau
Sent: May 6, 2013 4:24 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

 

** 

The Blog that Sylvain Yvon shared has been written by Mark Stouse
<http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=1013839&locale=en_US&trk=tyah> .

If you don't know Mark yet, he is the VP I mentioned in this blog post
<http://e20now.blogspot.fr/2013/01/should-every-post-be-approved.html> ,
wanting authenticity when blogging.

 

That's how he behaved these past months, with me directly and also on Social
Networks <https://communities.bmc.com/people/mstouse/blog/2013> : authentic,
sharing facts, and adding the Business perspective.

I'm definitely confident that this transaction (if/when completed) will help
us to be in start-up mode again (as most of you may know, I joined Remedy
before the "Peregrine acquisition" days), allowing mid/long-term investments
and flexibility that boost bigger innovation.

 

Looking forward to WWRUG13, 

 

~ Matt Laurenceau
Sr Community Ambassador, BMC Communities
 <http://bit.ly/MattProfiles> http://bit.ly/MattProfiles
Skype: matt.laurenceau

 

 

 

On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 3:37 PM, laurent matheo  wrote:

** 

I just hope some guys I know at BMC will be ok after the buyout...
This could good or this could be a disaster...


On 06 May, 2013,at 03:32 PM, Sylvain YVON  wrote:

**

https://communities.bmc.com/people/mstouse/blog/2013/05/06/bmc-software-writ
es-a-new-line-of-code-today?utm_source=twitterfeed
<https://communities.bmc.com/people/mstouse/blog/2013/05/06/bmc-software-wri
tes-a-new-line-of-code-today?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter>
&utm_medium=twitter

 

On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 2:42 PM, patrick zandi  wrote:

**

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/05/06/bmc_buyout/

Buyout soon... 

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Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

[Jason Miller]

Time will tell.   It is encouraging at the moment.  I think many of us have
experienced the financial machine placing itself between customers and
products, the customer and product design, the customer and licensing.
 Let's not kid ourselves, there is still money involved.  These companies
don't invest unless they think they can make money but it seems this is a
necessary step if BMC is going to survive.


On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 1:23 PM, Matt Laurenceau
wrote:

> **
> The Blog that Sylvain Yvon shared has been written by Mark 
> Stouse
> .
> If you don't know Mark yet, he is the VP I mentioned in this blog 
> post,
> wanting *authenticity when blogging*.
>
> That's how he behaved these past months, with me directly and also on
> Social Networks :
> authentic, sharing facts, and adding the Business perspective.
> I'm definitely confident that this transaction (if/when completed) will
> help us to be in *start-up mode* again (as most of you may know, I joined
> Remedy before the "Peregrine acquisition" days), allowing mid/long-term
> investments and flexibility that boost bigger innovation.
>
> Looking forward to WWRUG13,
>
> ~ Matt Laurenceau
> Sr Community Ambassador, BMC Communities
> http://bit.ly/MattProfiles
> Skype: matt.laurenceau
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 3:37 PM, laurent matheo  wrote:
>
>> **
>> I just hope some guys I know at BMC will be ok after the buyout...
>> This could good or this could be a disaster...
>>
>> On 06 May, 2013,at 03:32 PM, Sylvain YVON  wrote:
>>
>> **
>>
>> https://communities.bmc.com/people/mstouse/blog/2013/05/06/bmc-software-writes-a-new-line-of-code-today?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
>>
>>
>> On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 2:42 PM, patrick zandi wrote:
>>
>>> **
>>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/05/06/bmc_buyout/
>>>
>>> Buyout soon...
>>>
>>> --
>>> Patrick Zandi
>>> _ARSlist: "Where the Answers Are" and have been for 20 years_
>>
>>
>> _ARSlist: "Where the Answers Are" and have been for 20 years_
>>
>> _ARSlist: "Where the Answers Are" and have been for 20 years_
>>
>
>
>
> --
>
> ~ Matt Laurenceau, BMC Software
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> matthieu_laurenc...@bmc.com
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Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

[Jason Miller]

ia.org/wiki/BMC_Software>
>>>  in Texas <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas> in 1980 and was the lead
>>> venture capital financier for Peregrine 
>>> Systems<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems> in
>>> California starting in 1981 as well as 
>>> ServiceNow<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ServiceNow> another
>>> California corporation founded in 2005.
>>>
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Moores_(baseball)
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ServiceNow
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, May 6, 2013 9:46:58 AM UTC-7, arslist wrote:
>>>>
>>>> **
>>>>
>>>> Peregrine bought the company, I guess they don’t exist anymore so I
>>>> can’t be sued, to destroy it. It was competition they wanted eliminated,
>>>> IMHO based on their actions and the words at the Peregrine Synergy
>>>> conference I attended in 2002.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Whilst this current buyout looks less sinister in those terms, we of
>>>> course need to wait to see how it all plays out. There is some talk that it
>>>> will split off the mainframe from the rest, but I haven’t heard any rumours
>>>> about what they want to do with both pieces. I think the Remedy brand and
>>>> the ITSM product are too valuable for anyone to want to eliminate them,
>>>> other than Service-Now, and I don’t think they have the financial resources
>>>> to buy it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> WWRUG13 is getting more and more interesting J
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [Oracle World is the Week before, lol].
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Daniel
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:
>>>> ars...@arslist.org] *On Behalf Of *William Rentfrow
>>>> *Sent:* May 6, 2013 10:10 AM
>>>> *To:* ars...@arslist.org
>>>> *Subject:* Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> **
>>>>
>>>> I have $1 on this being "Peregrine 2.0".
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [
>>>> mailto:...@ARSLIST.ORG] *On Behalf Of *laurent matheo
>>>> *Sent:* Monday, May 06, 2013 8:37 AM
>>>> *To:* ars...@arslist.org
>>>> *Subject:* Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> **
>>>>
>>>> I just hope some guys I know at BMC will be ok after the buyout...
>>>> This could good or this could be a disaster...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 06 May, 2013,at 03:32 PM, Sylvain YVON  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> **
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://communities.bmc.com/people/mstouse/blog/2013/05/06/bmc-software-writes-a-new-line-of-code-today?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 2:42 PM, patrick zandi 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> **
>>>>
>>>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/05/06/bmc_buyout/
>>>>
>>>> Buyout soon...
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Patrick Zandi
>>>>
>>>> _ARSlist: "Where the Answers Are" and have been for 20 years_
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>
>>
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[Steve Kallestad]

gt;>> **
>>>
>>> Peregrine bought the company, I guess they don’t exist anymore so I
>>> can’t be sued, to destroy it. It was competition they wanted eliminated,
>>> IMHO based on their actions and the words at the Peregrine Synergy
>>> conference I attended in 2002.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Whilst this current buyout looks less sinister in those terms, we of
>>> course need to wait to see how it all plays out. There is some talk that it
>>> will split off the mainframe from the rest, but I haven’t heard any rumours
>>> about what they want to do with both pieces. I think the Remedy brand and
>>> the ITSM product are too valuable for anyone to want to eliminate them,
>>> other than Service-Now, and I don’t think they have the financial resources
>>> to buy it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> WWRUG13 is getting more and more interesting J
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> [Oracle World is the Week before, lol].
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Daniel
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:
>>> ars...@arslist.org] *On Behalf Of *William Rentfrow
>>> *Sent:* May 6, 2013 10:10 AM
>>> *To:* ars...@arslist.org
>>> *Subject:* Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> **
>>>
>>> I have $1 on this being "Peregrine 2.0".
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [
>>> mailto:...@ARSLIST.ORG] *On Behalf Of *laurent matheo
>>> *Sent:* Monday, May 06, 2013 8:37 AM
>>> *To:* ars...@arslist.org
>>> *Subject:* Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> **
>>>
>>> I just hope some guys I know at BMC will be ok after the buyout...
>>> This could good or this could be a disaster...
>>>
>>>
>>> On 06 May, 2013,at 03:32 PM, Sylvain YVON  wrote:
>>>
>>> **
>>>
>>>
>>> https://communities.bmc.com/people/mstouse/blog/2013/05/06/bmc-software-writes-a-new-line-of-code-today?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 2:42 PM, patrick zandi  wrote:
>>>
>>> **
>>>
>>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/05/06/bmc_buyout/
>>>
>>> Buyout soon...
>>>
>>> --
>>> Patrick Zandi
>>>
>>> _ARSlist: "Where the Answers Are" and have been for 20 years_
>>>
>>>
>>>
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[Pruitt, Christopher (Bank of America Account)]

You forgot to mention that the Dallas Cowboys win their second playoff game in 
20 years in 2017, but still lose their next game after that to continue their 
22 years of missing the Super Bowl. So much for American’s team. LOL

Christopher Pruitt


From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Howard Richter
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 2:35 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

**
John

You forgot the cubs in 2017 win it all.

Hbr

Sent from my iPhone 5

On May 6, 2013, at 2:37 PM, John Sundberg 
mailto:john.sundb...@kineticdata.com>> wrote:
**

On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 7:04 PM, John Sundberg 
mailto:john.sundb...@kineticdata.com>>

wrote:





** It is a little hard to say what "version" it was



Because in 2012 -- BMC renamed it all to BMC Atrium ... threw in the

kitchen sink -- which included the Remedy product and the ITSM Suite + some

discovery software + a CMDB...



But in 2014 Oracle broke it all up -- and peeled off the ITSM software

into something they called "Oracle Service Support"  (And the concept of a

development admin tool went away) -- it is purely configuration and consulting

to configure the product...

(Traditional Remedy customer are unhappy - new customers don't know

better - think they are eating a juicy steak - turns out it is pink slime)



RemedyForce was taken over by Business.com<http://Business.com> (aka 
Salesforce.com<http://Salesforce.com>).



RemedyOnDemand - still exists -- but is part of "Oracle Scalable

Enterprise" - which everybody calls "Oh say ... can you see" -- because nobody

can actually see it working... kind of a weird industry joke... (Still not sure

about it -- I think 2021 humor goes over my head)



Same timeframe -- Oracle renamed Remedy to "Oracle Enable" ... and it

became really the "adhoc" business "back-office" apps generator



SRM was abandoned by Oracle -- really BMC killed it before Oracle got

it (circa 2011) - BMC just never told the customers.



Of course Kinetic Data stayed independent and front-ends both Oracle

Service Support and the Enable framework - keeping customers happy - regardless

of the shenanigans behind the scenes...



BTW - the MN Vikings still are without a Superbowl in 2021 :(



Obama gets reelected.

Republican gets elected 2016 -- does a fair job - but chooses not to

rerun.

Hillary gets 2020.



And that is all I know...





-John

On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 1:24 PM, Howard Richter 
mailto:hbr4...@gmail.com>> wrote:
**
Yep and that is what Bain will sell first to pay for this deal.
Maybe they will sell Remedy to Oracle and then BMC will license it back for 
ITSM.

Hbr

Sent from my iPhone 5

On May 6, 2013, at 1:43 PM, laurent matheo mailto:lm...@me.com>> 
wrote:
**
Humm isn't mainframe the most profitable part of BMC?

On 06 May, 2013,at 07:33 PM, patchsk 
mailto:vamsi...@gmail.com>> wrote:
** We can never know how the forces end up playing the cards. After all the 
links between ServiceNow and Remedy/BMC are not very distant.

ServiceNow is a 
software-as-a-service<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_as_a_service> 
(SaaS) provider of IT service 
management<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IT_service_management> (ITSM) software. 
It was founded in 2003 by Fred 
Luddy<http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fred_Luddy&action=edit&redlink=1>,
 the previous CTO of Peregrine 
Systems<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems> and Remedy 
Corporation<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remedy_Corporation>.
The M in BMC John Jay Moores -- He founded BMC 
Software<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMC_Software> in 
Texas<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas> in 1980 and was the lead venture 
capital financier for Peregrine 
Systems<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems> in California starting 
in 1981 as well as ServiceNow<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ServiceNow> another 
California corporation founded in 2005.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Moores_(baseball)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ServiceNow


On Monday, May 6, 2013 9:46:58 AM UTC-7, arslist wrote:
**
Peregrine bought the company, I guess they don’t exist anymore so I can’t be 
sued, to destroy it. It was competition they wanted eliminated, IMHO based on 
their actions and the words at the Peregrine Synergy conference I attended in 
2002.

Whilst this current buyout looks less sinister in those terms, we of course 
need to wait to see how it all plays out. There is some talk that it will split 
off the mainframe from the rest, but I haven’t heard any rumours about what 
they want to do with both pieces. I think the Remedy brand and the ITSM product 
are too valuabl

Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

[Howard Richter]

John

You forgot the cubs in 2017 win it all.

Hbr

Sent from my iPhone 5

On May 6, 2013, at 2:37 PM, John Sundberg  wrote:

> **
> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 7:04 PM, John Sundberg 
>  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> ** It is a little hard to say what "version" it was
> 
> Because in 2012 -- BMC renamed it all to BMC Atrium ... threw in the 
> kitchen sink -- which included the Remedy product and the ITSM Suite + some 
> discovery software + a CMDB...
> 
> But in 2014 Oracle broke it all up -- and peeled off the ITSM 
> software 
> into something they called "Oracle Service Support"  (And the concept of 
> a 
> development admin tool went away) -- it is purely configuration and 
> consulting 
> to configure the product...
> (Traditional Remedy customer are unhappy - new customers don't know 
> better - think they are eating a juicy steak - turns out it is pink slime)
> 
> RemedyForce was taken over by Business.com (aka Salesforce.com).
> 
> RemedyOnDemand - still exists -- but is part of "Oracle Scalable 
> Enterprise" - which everybody calls "Oh say ... can you see" -- because 
> nobody 
> can actually see it working... kind of a weird industry joke... (Still not 
> sure 
> about it -- I think 2021 humor goes over my head)
> 
> Same timeframe -- Oracle renamed Remedy to "Oracle Enable" ... and it 
> became really the "adhoc" business "back-office" apps generator
> 
> SRM was abandoned by Oracle -- really BMC killed it before Oracle got 
> it (circa 2011) - BMC just never told the customers.
> 
> Of course Kinetic Data stayed independent and front-ends both Oracle 
> Service Support and the Enable framework - keeping customers happy - 
> regardless 
> of the shenanigans behind the scenes...
> 
> BTW - the MN Vikings still are without a Superbowl in 2021 :(
> 
> Obama gets reelected.
> Republican gets elected 2016 -- does a fair job - but chooses not to 
> rerun.
> Hillary gets 2020.
> 
> And that is all I know...
> 
> 
> -John
> 
> 
> On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 1:24 PM, Howard Richter  wrote:
>> **
>> Yep and that is what Bain will sell first to pay for this deal.
>> Maybe they will sell Remedy to Oracle and then BMC will license it back for 
>> ITSM.
>> 
>> Hbr
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone 5
>> 
>> On May 6, 2013, at 1:43 PM, laurent matheo  wrote:
>> 
>>> **
>>> Humm isn't mainframe the most profitable part of BMC?
>>> 
>>> On 06 May, 2013,at 07:33 PM, patchsk  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> ** We can never know how the forces end up playing the cards. After all 
>>>> the links between ServiceNow and Remedy/BMC are not very distant.
>>>> 
>>>> ServiceNow is a software-as-a-service (SaaS) provider of IT service 
>>>> management (ITSM) software. It was founded in 2003 by Fred Luddy, the 
>>>> previous CTO of Peregrine Systems and Remedy Corporation.
>>>> The M in BMC John Jay Moores -- He founded BMC Software in Texas in 1980 
>>>> and was the lead venture capital financier for Peregrine Systems in 
>>>> California starting in 1981 as well as ServiceNow another California 
>>>> corporation founded in 2005.
>>>> 
>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Moores_(baseball)
>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ServiceNow
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> On Monday, May 6, 2013 9:46:58 AM UTC-7, arslist wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> **
>>>>> Peregrine bought the company, I guess they don’t exist anymore so I can’t 
>>>>> be sued, to destroy it. It was competition they wanted eliminated, IMHO 
>>>>> based on their actions and the words at the Peregrine Synergy conference 
>>>>> I attended in 2002.
>>>>> 
>>>>>  
>>>>> 
>>>>> Whilst this current buyout looks less sinister in those terms, we of 
>>>>> course need to wait to see how it all plays out. There is some talk that 
>>>>> it will split off the mainframe from the rest, but I haven’t heard any 
>>>>> rumours about what they want to do with both pieces. I think the Remedy 
>>>>> brand and the ITSM product are too valuable for anyone to want to 
>>>>> eliminate them, other than Service-Now, and I don’t think they have the 
>>>>> financial resources to buy it.
>>>>> 
>>>>>  
>

Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

[patrick zandi]

what is the new name : Bain Golden Gate GIC PIC  --- that is catchy, like
the swine flue..
or maybe BG3PIC -- well that is better.


On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 2:37 PM, John Sundberg  wrote:

> **
>
> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 7:04 PM, John Sundberg 
> wrote:
>
>
> ** It is a little hard to say what "version" it was
>
> Because in 2012 -- BMC renamed it all to BMC Atrium ... threw in the
> kitchen sink -- which included the Remedy product and the ITSM Suite + some
> discovery software + a CMDB...
>
> But in 2014 Oracle broke it all up -- and peeled off the ITSM software
> into something they called "Oracle Service Support"  (And the concept of a
> development admin tool went away) -- it is purely configuration and consulting
> to configure the product...
> (Traditional Remedy customer are unhappy - new customers don't know
> better - think they are eating a juicy steak - turns out it is pink slime)
>
> RemedyForce was taken over by Business.com (aka Salesforce.com).
>
> RemedyOnDemand - still exists -- but is part of "Oracle Scalable
> Enterprise" - which everybody calls "Oh say ... can you see" -- because nobody
> can actually see it working... kind of a weird industry joke... (Still not 
> sure
> about it -- I think 2021 humor goes over my head)
>
> Same timeframe -- Oracle renamed Remedy to "Oracle Enable" ... and it
> became really the "adhoc" business "back-office" apps generator
>
> SRM was abandoned by Oracle -- really BMC killed it before Oracle got
> it (circa 2011) - BMC just never told the customers.
>
> Of course Kinetic Data stayed independent and front-ends both Oracle
> Service Support and the Enable framework - keeping customers happy - 
> regardless
> of the shenanigans behind the scenes...
>
> BTW - the MN Vikings still are without a Superbowl in 2021 :(
>
> Obama gets reelected.
> Republican gets elected 2016 -- does a fair job - but chooses not to
> rerun.
> Hillary gets 2020.
>
> And that is all I know...
>
>
> -John
>
>
>
> On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 1:24 PM, Howard Richter  wrote:
>
>> **
>> Yep and that is what Bain will sell first to pay for this deal.
>> Maybe they will sell Remedy to Oracle and then BMC will license it back
>> for ITSM.
>>
>> Hbr
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone 5
>>
>> On May 6, 2013, at 1:43 PM, laurent matheo  wrote:
>>
>> **
>> Humm isn't mainframe the most profitable part of BMC?
>>
>> On 06 May, 2013,at 07:33 PM, patchsk  wrote:
>>
>> ** We can never know how the forces end up playing the cards. After all
>> the links between ServiceNow and Remedy/BMC are not very distant.
>>
>> ServiceNow is a 
>> software-as-a-service<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_as_a_service> 
>> (SaaS)
>> provider of IT service 
>> management<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IT_service_management> (ITSM)
>> software. It was founded in 2003 by Fred 
>> Luddy<http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fred_Luddy&action=edit&redlink=1>,
>> the previous CTO of Peregrine 
>> Systems<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems>
>>  and Remedy Corporation <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remedy_Corporation>
>> .
>> The M in BMC John Jay Moores *-- *He founded BMC 
>> Software<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMC_Software>
>>  in Texas <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas> in 1980 and was the lead
>> venture capital financier for Peregrine 
>> Systems<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems> in
>> California starting in 1981 as well as 
>> ServiceNow<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ServiceNow> another
>> California corporation founded in 2005.
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Moores_(baseball)
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ServiceNow
>>
>>
>> On Monday, May 6, 2013 9:46:58 AM UTC-7, arslist wrote:
>>>
>>> **
>>>
>>> Peregrine bought the company, I guess they don’t exist anymore so I
>>> can’t be sued, to destroy it. It was competition they wanted eliminated,
>>> IMHO based on their actions and the words at the Peregrine Synergy
>>> conference I attended in 2002.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Whilst this current buyout looks less sinister in those terms, we of
>>> course need to wait to see how it all plays out. There is some talk that it
>>> will split off the mainframe from the rest, but I haven’t heard any 

Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

[John Sundberg]

On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 7:04 PM, John Sundberg 
wrote:


** It is a little hard to say what "version" it was

Because in 2012 -- BMC renamed it all to BMC Atrium ... threw in the
kitchen sink -- which included the Remedy product and the ITSM Suite + some
discovery software + a CMDB...

But in 2014 Oracle broke it all up -- and peeled off the ITSM software
into something they called "Oracle Service Support"  (And the concept of a
development admin tool went away) -- it is purely configuration and consulting
to configure the product...
(Traditional Remedy customer are unhappy - new customers don't know
better - think they are eating a juicy steak - turns out it is pink slime)

RemedyForce was taken over by Business.com (aka Salesforce.com).

RemedyOnDemand - still exists -- but is part of "Oracle Scalable
Enterprise" - which everybody calls "Oh say ... can you see" -- because nobody
can actually see it working... kind of a weird industry joke... (Still not sure
about it -- I think 2021 humor goes over my head)

Same timeframe -- Oracle renamed Remedy to "Oracle Enable" ... and it
became really the "adhoc" business "back-office" apps generator

SRM was abandoned by Oracle -- really BMC killed it before Oracle got
it (circa 2011) - BMC just never told the customers.

Of course Kinetic Data stayed independent and front-ends both Oracle
Service Support and the Enable framework - keeping customers happy - regardless
of the shenanigans behind the scenes...

BTW - the MN Vikings still are without a Superbowl in 2021 :(

Obama gets reelected.
Republican gets elected 2016 -- does a fair job - but chooses not to
rerun.
Hillary gets 2020.

And that is all I know...


-John



On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 1:24 PM, Howard Richter  wrote:

> **
> Yep and that is what Bain will sell first to pay for this deal.
> Maybe they will sell Remedy to Oracle and then BMC will license it back
> for ITSM.
>
> Hbr
>
> Sent from my iPhone 5
>
> On May 6, 2013, at 1:43 PM, laurent matheo  wrote:
>
> **
> Humm isn't mainframe the most profitable part of BMC?
>
> On 06 May, 2013,at 07:33 PM, patchsk  wrote:
>
> ** We can never know how the forces end up playing the cards. After all
> the links between ServiceNow and Remedy/BMC are not very distant.
>
> ServiceNow is a 
> software-as-a-service<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_as_a_service> 
> (SaaS)
> provider of IT service 
> management<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IT_service_management> (ITSM)
> software. It was founded in 2003 by Fred 
> Luddy<http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fred_Luddy&action=edit&redlink=1>,
> the previous CTO of Peregrine 
> Systems<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems>
>  and Remedy Corporation <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remedy_Corporation>.
> The M in BMC John Jay Moores *-- *He founded BMC 
> Software<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMC_Software>
>  in Texas <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas> in 1980 and was the lead
> venture capital financier for Peregrine 
> Systems<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems> in
> California starting in 1981 as well as 
> ServiceNow<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ServiceNow> another
> California corporation founded in 2005.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Moores_(baseball)
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ServiceNow
>
>
> On Monday, May 6, 2013 9:46:58 AM UTC-7, arslist wrote:
>>
>> **
>>
>> Peregrine bought the company, I guess they don’t exist anymore so I can’t
>> be sued, to destroy it. It was competition they wanted eliminated, IMHO
>> based on their actions and the words at the Peregrine Synergy conference I
>> attended in 2002.
>>
>>
>>
>> Whilst this current buyout looks less sinister in those terms, we of
>> course need to wait to see how it all plays out. There is some talk that it
>> will split off the mainframe from the rest, but I haven’t heard any rumours
>> about what they want to do with both pieces. I think the Remedy brand and
>> the ITSM product are too valuable for anyone to want to eliminate them,
>> other than Service-Now, and I don’t think they have the financial resources
>> to buy it.
>>
>>
>>
>> WWRUG13 is getting more and more interesting J
>>
>>
>>
>> [Oracle World is the Week before, lol].
>>
>>
>>
>> Daniel
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:
>> ars...@arslist.org] *On Behalf Of *William Rentfrow
>> *Sent:* May 6, 2013 10:10 AM

Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

[Howard Richter]

Yep and that is what Bain will sell first to pay for this deal.
Maybe they will sell Remedy to Oracle and then BMC will license it back for 
ITSM.

Hbr

Sent from my iPhone 5

On May 6, 2013, at 1:43 PM, laurent matheo  wrote:

> **
> Humm isn't mainframe the most profitable part of BMC?
> 
> On 06 May, 2013,at 07:33 PM, patchsk  wrote:
> 
>> ** We can never know how the forces end up playing the cards. After all the 
>> links between ServiceNow and Remedy/BMC are not very distant.
>> 
>> ServiceNow is a software-as-a-service (SaaS) provider of IT service 
>> management (ITSM) software. It was founded in 2003 by Fred Luddy, the 
>> previous CTO of Peregrine Systems and Remedy Corporation.
>> The M in BMC John Jay Moores -- He founded BMC Software in Texas in 1980 and 
>> was the lead venture capital financier for Peregrine Systems in California 
>> starting in 1981 as well as ServiceNow another California corporation 
>> founded in 2005.
>> 
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Moores_(baseball)
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ServiceNow
>>  
>> 
>> On Monday, May 6, 2013 9:46:58 AM UTC-7, arslist wrote:
>>> 
>>> **
>>> Peregrine bought the company, I guess they don’t exist anymore so I can’t 
>>> be sued, to destroy it. It was competition they wanted eliminated, IMHO 
>>> based on their actions and the words at the Peregrine Synergy conference I 
>>> attended in 2002.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Whilst this current buyout looks less sinister in those terms, we of course 
>>> need to wait to see how it all plays out. There is some talk that it will 
>>> split off the mainframe from the rest, but I haven’t heard any rumours 
>>> about what they want to do with both pieces. I think the Remedy brand and 
>>> the ITSM product are too valuable for anyone to want to eliminate them, 
>>> other than Service-Now, and I don’t think they have the financial resources 
>>> to buy it.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> WWRUG13 is getting more and more interesting J
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> [Oracle World is the Week before, lol].
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Daniel
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
>>> [mailto:ars...@arslist.org] On Behalf Of William Rentfrow
>>> Sent: May 6, 2013 10:10 AM
>>> To: ars...@arslist.org
>>> Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> **
>>> 
>>> I have $1 on this being "Peregrine 2.0".
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
>>> [mailto:...@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of laurent matheo
>>> Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 8:37 AM
>>> To: ars...@arslist.org
>>> Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> **
>>> 
>>> I just hope some guys I know at BMC will be ok after the buyout...
>>> This could good or this could be a disaster...
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 06 May, 2013,at 03:32 PM, Sylvain YVON  wrote:
>>> 
>>> **
>>> 
>>> https://communities.bmc.com/people/mstouse/blog/2013/05/06/bmc-software-writes-a-new-line-of-code-today?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 2:42 PM, patrick zandi  wrote:
>>> 
>>> **
>>> 
>>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/05/06/bmc_buyout/
>>> 
>>> Buyout soon... 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Patrick Zandi
>>> 
>>> _ARSlist: "Where the Answers Are" and have been for 20 years_ 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
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>>> 
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>>> 
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Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

[patrick zandi]

well it appears no one cares anymore about character, after all when I see
Al Gore I see the same thing.
and he is rich and popular...

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Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

[Rick Cook]

John Moores, the CEO, had a convenient memory lapse about the entire affair
and was able to evade prosecution. And take about $600 Million in the
process.

And Pat, you were right about Gardner.

Rick
On May 6, 2013 10:52 AM, "Howard Richter"  wrote:

> **
> My guess is worse. It's a good bet if you can find someone to take it
>
> Howard
>
> Sent from my iPhone 5
>
> On May 6, 2013, at 10:09 AM, William Rentfrow 
> wrote:
>
> **
>
> I have $1 on this being "Peregrine 2.0".
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [
> mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG ] *On Behalf Of *laurent
> matheo
> *Sent:* Monday, May 06, 2013 8:37 AM
> *To:* arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
> *Subject:* Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?
>
> ** **
>
> ** 
>
> I just hope some guys I know at BMC will be ok after the buyout...
> This could good or this could be a disaster...
>
>
> On 06 May, 2013,at 03:32 PM, Sylvain YVON  wrote:*
> ***
>
>  **
>
>
> https://communities.bmc.com/people/mstouse/blog/2013/05/06/bmc-software-writes-a-new-line-of-code-today?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
> 
>
> ** **
>
> On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 2:42 PM, patrick zandi  wrote:
>
> 
>
> **
>
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/05/06/bmc_buyout/
>
> Buyout soon...
>
>
> 
>
> --
> Patrick Zandi
>
> _ARSlist: "Where the Answers Are" and have been for 20 years_ 
>
> ** **
>
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>
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>
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[Howard Richter]

My guess is worse. It's a good bet if you can find someone to take it

Howard

Sent from my iPhone 5

On May 6, 2013, at 10:09 AM, William Rentfrow  
wrote:

> **
> I have $1 on this being "Peregrine 2.0".
>  
> From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
> [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of laurent matheo
> Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 8:37 AM
> To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
> Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?
>  
> **
> I just hope some guys I know at BMC will be ok after the buyout...
> This could good or this could be a disaster...
> 
> On 06 May, 2013,at 03:32 PM, Sylvain YVON  wrote:
> 
> **
> https://communities.bmc.com/people/mstouse/blog/2013/05/06/bmc-software-writes-a-new-line-of-code-today?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
>  
> 
> On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 2:42 PM, patrick zandi  wrote:
> 
> **
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/05/06/bmc_buyout/
> 
> Buyout soon... 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Patrick Zandi
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>  
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Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

[Warren R. Baltimore II]

Sthepeh is still cooling his heals!

http://www.utsandiego.com/uniontrib/20081212/news_1b12prgrn.html

On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 1:16 PM, Stanley Feinstein  wrote:

> **
>
> Wow.
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:
> arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] *On Behalf Of *patrick zandi
> *Sent:* Monday, May 06, 2013 10:09 AM
>
> *To:* arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
> *Subject:* Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?
>
>  ** **
>
> ** 
>  Sentences  this is the most important part of those days !!!
>
>- Stephen Gardner (former Peregrine CEO): 97 months in custody at the 
> Federal
>Medical Center, 
> Devens<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Medical_Center,_Devens>
>.[15] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-15>
>- Douglas Powanda (former Peregrine Executive Vice President for World
>Wide Sales): 78 months in custody at the Federal Correctional
>Institution, 
> Bastrop<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Correctional_Institution,_Bastrop>
>,[16] 
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-16>followed by two 
> years of supervised release.
>[17] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-17>
>- Matthew Gless (former Peregrine CFO): 63 months in custody followed
>by two years of supervised 
> release.[18]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-18>
>
>- Jeremy Crook (former Peregrine General Manager for Europe): 27
>months in 
> custody.[19]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-19>
>
>- Andrew V. Cahill, Jr. (former Peregrine Executive Vice President for
>World Wide Sales, after Powanda): 22 months in custody followed by two
>years of supervised 
> release.[20]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-20>Released
>  from prison on October 22, 2010.
>[21] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-21>
>- Berd J Rassam (former Peregrine Controller): 19 months in custody
>followed by two years of supervised 
> release.[22]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-22>
>
>- Larry Rodda (former managing director of KPMG 
> Consulting<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BearingPoint>):
>Six months in custody, six months of home detention, two years of
>supervised release and $100 mandatory special 
> assessment.[23]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-23>
>
>- Richard Nelson (former Peregrine Corporate Counsel): One day in
>custody, six months home detention and 200 hours of community service.
>[24] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-24>
>- Ilse Cappel (former Peregrine Assistant Treasurer): Five years of
>probation 
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Probation>.[25]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-25>
>
>- John Burnham Benjamin (former Peregrine Treasurer): Five years of
>probation.[26]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-26>
>
>- Steven Spitzer (former head of Peregrine's Alliance Sales Program):
>Three years probation, a $5,000 fine and 200 hours of community service
>plus a $110,000 civil penalty and barred from serving as an officer or
>director of any public 
> company.[27]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-27>
>
>- Gary Lenz (former Peregrine President & COO): Three years of
>probation 
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Probation>.[28]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-28>
>
>- Peter O'Brien (former Peregrine Director of Alliances): One year of
>probation.[29]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-29>
>
>- Michael Whitt (owner of Barnhill Management Group): Civil penalty of
>$60,000.[30]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-30>
>
>
>  ** **
>
> On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 1:07 PM, Stanley Feinstein <
> st...@projectremedies.com> wrote:
>
> ** 
>
> As I remember it, Peregrine bought Remedy for the cash.  They had cooked
> the books for just about the same amount of cash that Remedy had in the
> bank.   I remember the discussions about why they bought it, this or that,
> but when the numbers came out, cash was the reason.  “Follow the cash”
> seems to be a good rule to follow these days.
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *From:* Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mail

Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

[laurent matheo]

**
Humm isn't mainframe the most profitable part of BMC?On 06 May, 2013,at 07:33 PM, patchsk  wrote:** We can never know how the forces end up playing the cards. After all the links between ServiceNow and Remedy/BMC are not very distant.ServiceNow is a software-as-a-service (SaaS) provider of IT service management (ITSM) software. It was founded in 2003 by Fred Luddy, the previous CTO of Peregrine Systems and Remedy Corporation.The M in BMC John Jay Moores -- He founded BMC Software in Texas in 1980 and was the lead venture capital financier for Peregrine Systems in California starting in 1981 as well as ServiceNow another California corporation founded in 2005.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Moores_(baseball)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ServiceNow On Monday, May 6, 2013 9:46:58 AM UTC-7, arslist wrote:**Peregrine bought the company, I guess they don’t exist anymore so I can’t be sued, to destroy it. It was competition they wanted eliminated, IMHO based on their actions and the words at the Peregrine Synergy conference I attended in 2002. Whilst this current buyout looks less sinister in those terms, we of course need to wait to see how it all plays out. There is some talk that it will split off the mainframe from the rest, but I haven’t heard any rumours about what they want to do with both pieces. I think the Remedy brand and the ITSM product are too valuable for anyone to want to eliminate them, other than Service-Now, and I don’t think they have the financial resources to buy it. WWRUG13 is getting more and more interesting J [Oracle World is the Week before, lol]. Daniel From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:ars...@arslist.org] On Behalf Of William RentfrowSent: May 6, 2013 10:10 AMTo: ars...@arslist.orgSubject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? **I have $1 on this being "Peregrine 2.0". From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:...@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of laurent matheoSent: Monday, May 06, 2013 8:37 AMTo: ars...@arslist.orgSubject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? ** I just hope some guys I know at BMC will be ok after the buyout...This could good or this could be a disaster...On 06 May, 2013,at 03:32 PM, Sylvain YVON <sylvai...@gmail.com> wrote:**https://communities.bmc.com/people/mstouse/blog/2013/05/06/bmc-software-writes-a-new-line-of-code-today?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 2:42 PM, patrick zandi <reme...@gmail.com> wrote:**http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/05/06/bmc_buyout/Buyout soon... -- Patrick Zandi_ARSlist: "Where the Answers Are" and have been for 20 years_  _ARSlist: "Where the Answers Are" and have been for 20 years_No virus found in this message.Checked by AVG - www.avg.comVersion: 2013.0.3272 / Virus Database: 3162/6292 - Release Date: 05/02/13_ARSlist: "Where the Answers Are" and have been for 20 years_ _ARSlist: "Where the Answers Are" and have been for 20 years__ARSlist: "Where the Answers Are" and have been for 20 years__ARSlist: "Where the Answers Are" and have been for 20 years__ARSlist: "Where the Answers Are" and have been for 20 years_

Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

[patchsk]

We can never know how the forces end up playing the cards. After all the 
links between ServiceNow and Remedy/BMC are not very distant.

ServiceNow is a 
software-as-a-service<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_as_a_service> 
(SaaS) 
provider of IT service 
management<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IT_service_management> (ITSM) 
software. It was founded in 2003 by Fred 
Luddy<http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fred_Luddy&action=edit&redlink=1>,
 
the previous CTO of Peregrine 
Systems<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems>
 and Remedy Corporation <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remedy_Corporation>.
The M in BMC John Jay Moores *-- *He founded BMC 
Software<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMC_Software>
 in Texas <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas> in 1980 and was the lead 
venture capital financier for Peregrine 
Systems<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems> in 
California starting in 1981 as well as 
ServiceNow<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ServiceNow> another 
California corporation founded in 2005.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Moores_(baseball)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ServiceNow

On Monday, May 6, 2013 9:46:58 AM UTC-7, arslist wrote:
>
> ** 
>
> Peregrine bought the company, I guess they don’t exist anymore so I can’t 
> be sued, to destroy it. It was competition they wanted eliminated, IMHO 
> based on their actions and the words at the Peregrine Synergy conference I 
> attended in 2002.
>
>  
>
> Whilst this current buyout looks less sinister in those terms, we of 
> course need to wait to see how it all plays out. There is some talk that it 
> will split off the mainframe from the rest, but I haven’t heard any rumours 
> about what they want to do with both pieces. I think the Remedy brand and 
> the ITSM product are too valuable for anyone to want to eliminate them, 
> other than Service-Now, and I don’t think they have the financial resources 
> to buy it.
>
>  
>
> WWRUG13 is getting more and more interesting J
>
>  
>
> [Oracle World is the Week before, lol].
>
>  
>
> Daniel
>
>  
>
> *From:* Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:
> ars...@arslist.org ] *On Behalf Of *William Rentfrow
> *Sent:* May 6, 2013 10:10 AM
> *To:* ars...@arslist.org 
> *Subject:* Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?
>
>  
>
> ** 
>
> I have $1 on this being "Peregrine 2.0".
>
>  
>
> *From:* Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [
> mailto:...@ARSLIST.ORG ] *On Behalf Of *laurent matheo
> *Sent:* Monday, May 06, 2013 8:37 AM
> *To:* ars...@arslist.org 
> *Subject:* Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?
>
>  
>
> ** 
>
> I just hope some guys I know at BMC will be ok after the buyout...
> This could good or this could be a disaster...
>
>
> On 06 May, 2013,at 03:32 PM, Sylvain YVON > 
> wrote:
>
> **
>
>
> https://communities.bmc.com/people/mstouse/blog/2013/05/06/bmc-software-writes-a-new-line-of-code-today?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
>
>  
>
> On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 2:42 PM, patrick zandi 
> > 
> wrote:
>
> **
>
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/05/06/bmc_buyout/
>
> Buyout soon... 
>
> -- 
> Patrick Zandi
>
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Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

[Longwing, Lj]

harshest punishment is 8 yearshow much money did he walk away
with?I dunno...if I could walk away with enough moneyI'm not sure
if I would consider the punishment worth it or not.


On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 11:08 AM, patrick zandi  wrote:

> **
> Sentences  this is the most important part of those days !!!
>
>- Stephen Gardner (former Peregrine CEO): 97 months in custody at the 
> Federal
>Medical Center, 
> Devens<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Medical_Center,_Devens>
>.[15] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-15>
>- Douglas Powanda (former Peregrine Executive Vice President for World
>Wide Sales): 78 months in custody at the Federal Correctional
>Institution, 
> Bastrop<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Correctional_Institution,_Bastrop>
>,[16] 
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-16>followed by two 
> years of supervised release.
>[17] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-17>
>- Matthew Gless (former Peregrine CFO): 63 months in custody followed
>by two years of supervised 
> release.[18]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-18>
>- Jeremy Crook (former Peregrine General Manager for Europe): 27
>months in 
> custody.[19]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-19>
>- Andrew V. Cahill, Jr. (former Peregrine Executive Vice President for
>World Wide Sales, after Powanda): 22 months in custody followed by two
>years of supervised 
> release.[20]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-20>Released
>  from prison on October 22, 2010.
>[21] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-21>
>- Berd J Rassam (former Peregrine Controller): 19 months in custody
>followed by two years of supervised 
> release.[22]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-22>
>- Larry Rodda (former managing director of KPMG 
> Consulting<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BearingPoint>):
>Six months in custody, six months of home detention, two years of
>supervised release and $100 mandatory special 
> assessment.[23]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-23>
>- Richard Nelson (former Peregrine Corporate Counsel): One day in
>custody, six months home detention and 200 hours of community service.[
>24] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-24>
>- Ilse Cappel (former Peregrine Assistant Treasurer): Five years of
>probation 
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Probation>.[25]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-25>
>- John Burnham Benjamin (former Peregrine Treasurer): Five years of
>probation.[26]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-26>
>- Steven Spitzer (former head of Peregrine's Alliance Sales Program):
>Three years probation, a $5,000 fine and 200 hours of community service
>plus a $110,000 civil penalty and barred from serving as an officer or
>director of any public 
> company.[27]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-27>
>- Gary Lenz (former Peregrine President & COO): Three years of
>probation 
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Probation>.[28]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-28>
>- Peter O'Brien (former Peregrine Director of Alliances): One year of
>probation.[29]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-29>
>- Michael Whitt (owner of Barnhill Management Group): Civil penalty of
>$60,000.[30]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-30>
>
>
>
> On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 1:07 PM, Stanley Feinstein <
> st...@projectremedies.com> wrote:
>
>> **
>>
>> As I remember it, Peregrine bought Remedy for the cash.  They had cooked
>> the books for just about the same amount of cash that Remedy had in the
>> bank.   I remember the discussions about why they bought it, this or that,
>> but when the numbers came out, cash was the reason.  “Follow the cash”
>> seems to be a good rule to follow these days.
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From:* Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:
>> arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] *On Behalf Of *patrick zandi
>> *Sent:* Monday, May 06, 2013 10:00 AM
>>
>> *To:* arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
>> *Subject:* Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> ** 
>>
>> I remember that day at  RUG ::  I was standing next to rick cook, and he
>&

Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

[Stanley Feinstein]

Wow.

 

 

From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of patrick zandi
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 10:09 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

 

** 


Sentences  this is the most important part of those days !!!


*   Stephen Gardner (former Peregrine CEO): 97 months in custody at the
Federal Medical Center, Devens
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Medical_Center,_Devens> .[15]
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-15> 
*   Douglas Powanda (former Peregrine Executive Vice President for World
Wide Sales): 78 months in custody at the Federal Correctional Institution,
Bastrop
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Correctional_Institution,_Bastrop>
,[16] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-16>
followed by two years of supervised release.[17]
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-17> 
*   Matthew Gless (former Peregrine CFO): 63 months in custody followed
by two years of supervised release.[18]
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-18> 
*   Jeremy Crook (former Peregrine General Manager for Europe): 27
months in custody.[19]
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-19> 
*   Andrew V. Cahill, Jr. (former Peregrine Executive Vice President for
World Wide Sales, after Powanda): 22 months in custody followed by two years
of supervised release.[20]
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-20>  Released from
prison on October 22, 2010.[21]
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-21> 
*   Berd J Rassam (former Peregrine Controller): 19 months in custody
followed by two years of supervised release.[22]
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-22> 
*   Larry Rodda (former managing director of KPMG Consulting
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BearingPoint> ): Six months in custody, six
months of home detention, two years of supervised release and $100 mandatory
special assessment.[23]
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-23> 
*   Richard Nelson (former Peregrine Corporate Counsel): One day in
custody, six months home detention and 200 hours of community service.[24]
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-24> 
*   Ilse Cappel (former Peregrine Assistant Treasurer): Five years of
probation <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Probation> .[25]
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-25> 
*   John Burnham Benjamin (former Peregrine Treasurer): Five years of
probation.[26] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-26>

*   Steven Spitzer (former head of Peregrine's Alliance Sales Program):
Three years probation, a $5,000 fine and 200 hours of community service plus
a $110,000 civil penalty and barred from serving as an officer or director
of any public company.[27]
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-27> 
*   Gary Lenz (former Peregrine President & COO): Three years of
probation <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Probation> .[28]
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-28> 
*   Peter O'Brien (former Peregrine Director of Alliances): One year of
probation.[29] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-29>

*   Michael Whitt (owner of Barnhill Management Group): Civil penalty of
$60,000.[30] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-30> 

 

On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 1:07 PM, Stanley Feinstein
 wrote:

** 

As I remember it, Peregrine bought Remedy for the cash.  They had cooked the
books for just about the same amount of cash that Remedy had in the bank.
I remember the discussions about why they bought it, this or that, but when
the numbers came out, cash was the reason.  "Follow the cash" seems to be a
good rule to follow these days.

 

 

 

From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of patrick zandi
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 10:00 AM


To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

 

** 

I remember that day at  RUG ::  I was standing next to rick cook, and he
said they got bought out.. and I said who is that Stephen Gardner, guy  --
he said that guy over there is running Peregrine, and I said -- Who? Him?,
he said yeah.. why -- I said .. he is a Crook, and a lair I can see it in
his face!  Rick just looked a little bewildered  after  what I said.. It was
a sad sad day !   I really am hoping we are going into another

 

 

On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 12:46 PM, arslist  wrote:

** 

Peregrine bought the company, I guess they don't exist anymore so I can't be
sued, to destroy it. It was competition they wanted eliminated, IMHO based
on their actions and the words at the Peregrine

Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

[patrick zandi]

Sentences  this is the most important part of those days !!!

   - Stephen Gardner (former Peregrine CEO): 97 months in custody at
the Federal
   Medical Center,
Devens<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Medical_Center,_Devens>
   .[15] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-15>
   - Douglas Powanda (former Peregrine Executive Vice President for World
   Wide Sales): 78 months in custody at the Federal Correctional
   Institution,
Bastrop<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Correctional_Institution,_Bastrop>
   ,[16] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-16>followed
by two years of supervised release.
   [17] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-17>
   - Matthew Gless (former Peregrine CFO): 63 months in custody followed by
   two years of supervised
release.[18]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-18>
   - Jeremy Crook (former Peregrine General Manager for Europe): 27 months
   in custody.[19]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-19>
   - Andrew V. Cahill, Jr. (former Peregrine Executive Vice President for
   World Wide Sales, after Powanda): 22 months in custody followed by two
   years of supervised
release.[20]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-20>Released
from prison on October 22, 2010.
   [21] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-21>
   - Berd J Rassam (former Peregrine Controller): 19 months in custody
   followed by two years of supervised
release.[22]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-22>
   - Larry Rodda (former managing director of KPMG
Consulting<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BearingPoint>):
   Six months in custody, six months of home detention, two years of
   supervised release and $100 mandatory special
assessment.[23]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-23>
   - Richard Nelson (former Peregrine Corporate Counsel): One day in
   custody, six months home detention and 200 hours of community service.[24
   ] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-24>
   - Ilse Cappel (former Peregrine Assistant Treasurer): Five years of
   probation 
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Probation>.[25]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-25>
   - John Burnham Benjamin (former Peregrine Treasurer): Five years of
   probation.[26]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-26>
   - Steven Spitzer (former head of Peregrine's Alliance Sales Program):
   Three years probation, a $5,000 fine and 200 hours of community service
   plus a $110,000 civil penalty and barred from serving as an officer or
   director of any public
company.[27]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-27>
   - Gary Lenz (former Peregrine President & COO): Three years of
probation<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Probation>
   .[28] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-28>
   - Peter O'Brien (former Peregrine Director of Alliances): One year of
   probation.[29]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-29>
   - Michael Whitt (owner of Barnhill Management Group): Civil penalty of
   $60,000.[30]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-30>



On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 1:07 PM, Stanley Feinstein  wrote:

> **
>
> As I remember it, Peregrine bought Remedy for the cash.  They had cooked
> the books for just about the same amount of cash that Remedy had in the
> bank.   I remember the discussions about why they bought it, this or that,
> but when the numbers came out, cash was the reason.  “Follow the cash”
> seems to be a good rule to follow these days.
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:
> arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] *On Behalf Of *patrick zandi
> *Sent:* Monday, May 06, 2013 10:00 AM
>
> *To:* arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
> *Subject:* Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?
>
> ** **
>
> ** 
>
> I remember that day at  RUG ::  I was standing next to rick cook, and he
> said they got bought out.. and I said who is that *Stephen* Gardner, guy
> -- he said that guy over there is running Peregrine, and I said -- Who?
> Him?,  he said yeah.. why -- I said .. he is a Crook, and a lair I can see
> it in his face!  Rick just looked a little bewildered  after  what I said..
> It was a sad sad day !   I really am hoping we are going into another
>
>  
>
> ** **
>
> On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 12:46 PM, arslist  wrote:**
> **
>
> ** 
>
> Peregrine bought the company, I guess they don’t exist anymore so I can’t
> be sued, to destroy it. It was competition they wanted eliminated, IMHO
> based on their actions and the words at the Per

Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

[Stanley Feinstein]

As I remember it, Peregrine bought Remedy for the cash.  They had cooked the
books for just about the same amount of cash that Remedy had in the bank.
I remember the discussions about why they bought it, this or that, but when
the numbers came out, cash was the reason.  "Follow the cash" seems to be a
good rule to follow these days.

 

 

 

From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of patrick zandi
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 10:00 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

 

** 

I remember that day at  RUG ::  I was standing next to rick cook, and he
said they got bought out.. and I said who is that Stephen Gardner, guy  --
he said that guy over there is running Peregrine, and I said -- Who? Him?,
he said yeah.. why -- I said .. he is a Crook, and a lair I can see it in
his face!  Rick just looked a little bewildered  after  what I said.. It was
a sad sad day !   I really am hoping we are going into another

 

 

On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 12:46 PM, arslist  wrote:

** 

Peregrine bought the company, I guess they don't exist anymore so I can't be
sued, to destroy it. It was competition they wanted eliminated, IMHO based
on their actions and the words at the Peregrine Synergy conference I
attended in 2002.

 

Whilst this current buyout looks less sinister in those terms, we of course
need to wait to see how it all plays out. There is some talk that it will
split off the mainframe from the rest, but I haven't heard any rumours about
what they want to do with both pieces. I think the Remedy brand and the ITSM
product are too valuable for anyone to want to eliminate them, other than
Service-Now, and I don't think they have the financial resources to buy it.

 

WWRUG13 is getting more and more interesting J

 

[Oracle World is the Week before, lol].

 

Daniel

 

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I have $1 on this being "Peregrine 2.0".

 

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** 

I just hope some guys I know at BMC will be ok after the buyout...
This could good or this could be a disaster...


On 06 May, 2013,at 03:32 PM, Sylvain YVON  wrote:

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tes-a-new-line-of-code-today?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter>
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On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 2:42 PM, patrick zandi  wrote:

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http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/05/06/bmc_buyout/

Buyout soon... 

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Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

[patrick zandi]

I remember that day at  RUG ::  I was standing next to rick cook, and he
said they got bought out.. and I said who is that *Stephen* Gardner, guy
-- he said that guy over there is running Peregrine, and I said -- Who?
Him?,  he said yeah.. why -- I said .. he is a Crook, and a lair I can see
it in his face!  Rick just looked a little bewildered  after  what I said..
It was a sad sad day !   I really am hoping we are going into another




On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 12:46 PM, arslist  wrote:

> **
>
> Peregrine bought the company, I guess they don’t exist anymore so I can’t
> be sued, to destroy it. It was competition they wanted eliminated, IMHO
> based on their actions and the words at the Peregrine Synergy conference I
> attended in 2002.
>
> ** **
>
> Whilst this current buyout looks less sinister in those terms, we of
> course need to wait to see how it all plays out. There is some talk that it
> will split off the mainframe from the rest, but I haven’t heard any rumours
> about what they want to do with both pieces. I think the Remedy brand and
> the ITSM product are too valuable for anyone to want to eliminate them,
> other than Service-Now, and I don’t think they have the financial resources
> to buy it.
>
> ** **
>
> WWRUG13 is getting more and more interesting J
>
> ** **
>
> [Oracle World is the Week before, lol].
>
> ** **
>
> Daniel
>
> ** **
>
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> arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] *On Behalf Of *William Rentfrow
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> *To:* arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
> *Subject:* Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?
>
> ** **
>
> ** 
>
> I have $1 on this being "Peregrine 2.0".
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [
> mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG ] *On Behalf Of *laurent
> matheo
> *Sent:* Monday, May 06, 2013 8:37 AM
> *To:* arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
> *Subject:* Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?
>
> ** **
>
> ** 
>
> I just hope some guys I know at BMC will be ok after the buyout...
> This could good or this could be a disaster...
>
>
> On 06 May, 2013,at 03:32 PM, Sylvain YVON  wrote:*
> ***
>
> **
>
>
> https://communities.bmc.com/people/mstouse/blog/2013/05/06/bmc-software-writes-a-new-line-of-code-today?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
> 
>
> ** **
>
> On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 2:42 PM, patrick zandi  wrote:
> 
>
> **
>
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/05/06/bmc_buyout/
>
> Buyout soon...
>
> 
>
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Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

[arslist]

Peregrine bought the company, I guess they don't exist anymore so I can't be
sued, to destroy it. It was competition they wanted eliminated, IMHO based
on their actions and the words at the Peregrine Synergy conference I
attended in 2002.

 

Whilst this current buyout looks less sinister in those terms, we of course
need to wait to see how it all plays out. There is some talk that it will
split off the mainframe from the rest, but I haven't heard any rumours about
what they want to do with both pieces. I think the Remedy brand and the ITSM
product are too valuable for anyone to want to eliminate them, other than
Service-Now, and I don't think they have the financial resources to buy it.

 

WWRUG13 is getting more and more interesting J

 

[Oracle World is the Week before, lol].

 

Daniel

 

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Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

 

** 

I have $1 on this being "Peregrine 2.0".

 

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Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 8:37 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

 

** 

I just hope some guys I know at BMC will be ok after the buyout...
This could good or this could be a disaster...


On 06 May, 2013,at 03:32 PM, Sylvain YVON  wrote:

**

https://communities.bmc.com/people/mstouse/blog/2013/05/06/bmc-software-writ
es-a-new-line-of-code-today?utm_source=twitterfeed
<https://communities.bmc.com/people/mstouse/blog/2013/05/06/bmc-software-wri
tes-a-new-line-of-code-today?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter>
&utm_medium=twitter

 

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**

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/05/06/bmc_buyout/

Buyout soon... 



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That’s a suckers bet, pass.
 
 
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** 

I just hope some guys I know at BMC will be ok after the buyout...
This could good or this could be a disaster...



On 06 May, 2013,at 03:32 PM, Sylvain YVON <sylvain.y...@gmail.com> wrote:



**

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http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/05/06/bmc_buyout/

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Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

[Pruitt, Christopher (Bank of America Account)]

That's a suckers bet, pass.


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I have $1 on this being "Peregrine 2.0".

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This could good or this could be a disaster...

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Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

[Stanley Feinstein]

No one is going to take that bet.

 

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Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 7:10 AM
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Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

 

** 

I have $1 on this being "Peregrine 2.0".

 

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Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 8:37 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?

 

** 

I just hope some guys I know at BMC will be ok after the buyout...
This could good or this could be a disaster...


On 06 May, 2013,at 03:32 PM, Sylvain YVON  wrote:

**

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<https://communities.bmc.com/people/mstouse/blog/2013/05/06/bmc-software-wri
tes-a-new-line-of-code-today?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter>
&utm_medium=twitter

 

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**

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/05/06/bmc_buyout/

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[William Rentfrow]

I have $1 on this being "Peregrine 2.0".

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**
I just hope some guys I know at BMC will be ok after the buyout...
This could good or this could be a disaster...

On 06 May, 2013,at 03:32 PM, Sylvain YVON  wrote:
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