date:20071120

Good Morning Anthony---I'm sorry I was not able to grab Maxie for you on 
Saturday---after I left I too along with my daughter and grandson went out on a 
search for Maxie looking in the area and I will continue to keep my eye out for 
her.Just a little reassurance  my dog went missing twice once for about a 
month and on Christmas Day when we returned home he was sitting on my porch.  
Another time he went missing for a couple of days and when I was coming home 
from work I saw a little boy walking him as if he belonged to him.  So keep the 
faith Maxie will be returned.


- Original Message 
From: Anthony Granito [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 9:53:01 PM
Subject: [AsburyPark] Missing Red English Bulldog. Please keep looking

Hi Werner, this is AnthonyG, one of Maxie’s owners.  It is very hard to say how 
Maxie ended up on the west side.
My first thought was someone had to bring her there. The night she went missing 
we had 9 people (not including people on the AP list that went out after we 
posted it) looking for her from Sunset Lake to Deal Lake and from Main Street 
to the Ocean.  It was/is hard for me to believe we all missed her.  However, I 
guess it is possible that she wondered there on her own. It was 3 ½ days before 
anyone called and said that they saw her.  Saturday was a the first beautiful 
day since she was missing, Maxie loves to take in the sun so maybe that why she 
was out and about. The weather has not been to good since Saturday and if she 
is still outside, I’m hoping she is just taking cover.
 
I do realize most of us are taught to stay away from stray dogs, however, Maxie 
has never bitten anyone, she does nervous and sometimes has separation anxiety. 
Maxie is very loveable and loves to cuddle with you on a couch.  
That be said, if anyone sees her, don’t be afraid, she just may be happy to see 
you and she will want to jump in your arms.
 
AnthonyG
AnthonyN and Rick


 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com [mailto:AsburyPark@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf 
Of wernerapnj
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 8:30 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com
Subject: [SPAM] [AsburyPark] Re: Missing Red English Bulldog. Please keep 
looking
 
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Oops. Forgot the link. Here it is;
 
 http://xrl.us/ bbeei
 = = = = = = 

Very nice - what makes no sense is that there is no path from 'home'.

Is the theory that someone abducted the dog and moved it to the West
side of town?

Werner



  

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Re: [AsburyPark] Missing Red English Bulldog. Please keep looking

2007-11-20 Thread anthonyg1464

Hi Denise,
 
I thank you so very much for Saturday, it was our first really hope of getting 
Maxie back and knowing she was still alive. I have a lot of faith and I know if 
she is meant to be home again, we will find her.
 
Thank you.
Anthony

- Original Message -
From: denise 
Date: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 9:08 am
Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Missing Red English Bulldog. Please keep looking
To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com

 Good Morning Anthony---I'm sorry I was not able to grab Maxie 
 for you on Saturday---after I left I too along with my daughter 
 and grandson went out on a search for Maxie looking in the area 
 and I will continue to keep my eye out for her. Just a little 
 reassurance my dog went missing twice once for about a month 
 and on Christmas Day when we returned home he was sitting on my 
 porch. Another time he went missing for a couple of days and 
 when I was coming home from work I saw a little boy walking him 
 as if he belonged to him. So keep the faith Maxie will be returned.
 
 
 - Original Message 
 From: Anthony Granito 
 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 9:53:01 PM
 Subject: [AsburyPark] Missing Red English Bulldog. Please keep looking
 
 Hi Werner, this is AnthonyG, one of Maxie’s owners. It is very 
 hard to say how Maxie ended up on the west side.
 My first thought was someone had to bring her there. The night 
 she went missing we had 9 people (not including people on the AP 
 list that went out after we posted it) looking for her from 
 Sunset Lake to Deal Lake and from Main Street to the Ocean. It 
 was/is hard for me to believe we all missed her. However, I 
 guess it is possible that she wondered there on her own. It was 
 3 ½ days before anyone called and said that they saw her. 
 Saturday was a the first beautiful day since she was missing, 
 Maxie loves to take in the sun so maybe that why she was out and 
 about. The weather has not been to good since Saturday and if 
 she is still outside, I’m hoping she is just taking cover.
 
 I do realize most of us are taught to stay away from stray dogs, 
 however, Maxie has never bitten anyone, she does nervous and 
 sometimes has separation anxiety. Maxie is very loveable and 
 loves to cuddle with you on a couch. 
 That be said, if anyone sees her, don’t be afraid, she just may 
 be happy to see you and she will want to jump in your arms.
 
 AnthonyG
 AnthonyN and Rick
 
 
 
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com [mailto:AsburyPark@ 
 yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of wernerapnj
 Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 8:30 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com
 Subject: [SPAM] [AsburyPark] Re: Missing Red English Bulldog. 
 Please keep looking
 
 --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Jack Pitzer wrote:
 
  Oops. Forgot the link. Here it is;
  
  http://xrl.us/ bbeei
  = = = = = 
 = 
 
 Very nice - what makes no sense is that there is no path from 'home'.
 
 Is the theory that someone abducted the dog and moved it to the West
 side of town?
 
 Werner
 
 
 
 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: GO BISHOPS!!!

Good morning all  the parade sounds like a very good idea, please also consider 
including the Blue Bishops Pop-Warner teams they had very good season also and 
we still have one team that has a chance of going to Florida in December to 
play at the nationals.  

Lets show our youth that we are very proud of them and their accomplishments. 


- Original Message 
From: apoojo [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 3:31:22 PM
Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: GO BISHOPS!!!

--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, asburycheech asburycheech@ ... 
wrote:

 
   --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote:
 
  Corny to some but not two old farts like you and me frank. how's the
  aphs marching band?
 
 
 The APHS Marching Band under the excellent direction of our music
 teacher Karen Lee Shwartz (sp?) is a joy to behold and to listen
 to--not the biggest marching band, but definitely one of the very 
best!
 
 Frank
besides a parade i would say first class winter jackets, and or a 
ring, it might even be in and old policy, lets win go bishops they have 
a lot to be proud of already , congratulations on a great season and 
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi Denise,
  
 I thank you so very much for Saturday, it was our first really hope
of getting Maxie back and knowing she was still alive. I have a lot of
faith and I know if she is meant to be home again, we will find her.


I am going to take the advice I now give for my own pets. There is a
service where you can put a gps in the collar or some even in a chip
under the skin (I think i'll go with the former) and you can track
your pet on the internet if they get lost. I'll look for the link.





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: GO BISHOPS!!!

2 years ago, most of these kids were in the Pop Warner program! 
They're really special!  This year, the Turkey Day game will be played
in Neptune.  It's an old rivalry!  I know, because for years, I took
one boy from Asbury and one from Neptune to Breakfast at 6:00 AM in
the morning, down to the old L  M Diner, on the Asbury Circle.  Mr,
Conti, the former coach of Asbury Park, then coaching for Ocean
Township knew me from my coaching days in Neptune.

My 5 kids, went through the Neptune program and are still friends with
their old rivals, who if they won, would come to my Neptune home,
eat and brag all day or it was wait until next year.  I saw a
special on HBO about Ohio State adn Michigan.  Now THAT's a rivalry.

My rival, when I attended Xavier Prep, was St. Augustine's, Home of
the Marching 100.  Not only did my high school beat them for 4
consecutive years, but I was once married to one of their football
players!  Our Gold and White High School Band beat theirs, back then,
too!  We wore the Pope's colors, so we knew we were special!  So much
for marrying a Catholic!

High School prepares kids, for the real world.  At least it did, when
I was a student.  I had never heard of gangs before, mostly because I
was raised under a rock!  The things a kid has to do to fit in, today,
makes me wince!  For some of these kids, this will be their last big
thing.  They certainly will have something to tell thier kids, in
later years, if they get to live that long.  I certainly support
anything this town, wishes to do!

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dsher4 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 here's a thought regarding taxpayer money or funds raised by 
 citizens/mm/asbury partners.  Win or lose something special should 
 be done for this football team by this town.  Show these kids (and 
 the younger ones who look up to them) what can happen with hard work 
 and dedication.  It also sends a message that the town is united and 
 is willing to stand behind the kids when they do good things, not 
 just arrest them when they do bad things.  Any ideas?
 
 
 
 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright 
 justifiedright@ wrote:
 
  The APHS Football team is going to play for their section of the 
 State 
  Championship next Saturday, probably at Rutgers.
  
  They are 9-1, having won 9 straight.  An enourmous turn around 
 from 
  last year when they were 1-9.  In their defense, the board of ed 
 last 
  year acutally let them start the season without having a coach.
  
  Anyway, since APHS hasn't won a title in 23 years and hasn't 
 played 
  for one in 20, this is historic.
  
  A town gets judged by its football.
  
  Maybe it would be a good idea to go up to Rutgers next weekend to 
  support them.
  
  It just so happens that Howell is playing the same day at Rutgers 
 for 
  a Championship in a different sectiton, so I get a 2 for 1.
 





 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Missing Red English Bulldog. Please keep looking

 
In a message dated 11/20/2007 10:21:43 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I am  going to take the advice I now give for my own pets. There is a
service  where you can put a gps in the collar or some even in a chip
under the skin  (I think i'll go with the former) and you can track
your pet on the  internet if they get lost. I'll look for the link.


It's a chip under the skin I think you're referring to -  Eatontown  SPCA did 
it to my cat when I adopted her.



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[AsburyPark] Re: How do we reduce our deficit?

Please run for office!  Do you realize this is the ideal?  When did
the current crew, forget why they were elected?  I wish the council
would take their power back instead of giving it away!  Stop
fighting John and get on with it!

#4 and all the rest can be accomplished if they'd all, just pull
together, but like my daydreams, this is a pipe dream, huh?  God
Bless, everyone and Happy Thanksgiving!

Sharon(My real name)

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 1. Hope the developers sell out what they have built so the units
come onto the tax rolls. 
 They may have to concede some in their pricing. People read the
paper. They want a deal 
 of the century.
 
 2, Come up with a time table for Phase II and III of wesley grove to
close the gap between 
 cook and oceanfront. The current developer cant build 2 and 3 cause
they havent sold 1. 
 Time to sell off 2 and 23 to new developers and build entry level
units in phase 2 and 
 move up a notch in Phase 3. Sell them out. That = revenue. Empty
land for the next 22 
 years will do zero.
 
 3, Continue the work in CH and Ch. Very, very postive. That brings
people. People bring 
 business. Business brings people. Continue to book Ch and stick the
ponies back in the 
 casino.
 
 4. Continue to fight quality of life issues. Housing, crime, etc.
and step it up.
 
 5, Open up the issues of the redevelopment in a public. Encourage
the developer to sell off 
 their rights in the entire zone so more can be developed OR LEFT
ALONE for the current 
 proeprty owners to develop, enjoy or sell,
 
 6. Move city hall and sell the land. Office space is needed in AP to
bring in workers etc.





 
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 It's a chip under the skin I think you're referring to -  Eatontown
 SPCA did 
 it to my cat when I adopted her.

After doing research, it appears that the chip under the skin only
provides identification which needs to be read by the correct scanner.
So someone has to find the pet and turn them in. There are GPS-based
and radio-wave based collars where you can do live tracking (GPS via
the internet of GSM mobile phone and radio-wave to a remote). GPS has
a longer range and is more accurate. The problem for me (or Louie) is
the weight of the units. I think the smallest GPS is 5 ounces. They
are recommended for pets over 12 lbs and he, at 6 lbs is smaller than
most cats.




 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Missing Red English Bulldog. Please keep looking

Glenn,
You are so thoughtful!  I hope Maxie is found and soon!  It's cold out
there and rainy today.  If I see him, will see if he comes to me. 
Your duck is precious! 
 
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 I have updated my post in the Greetings from Asbury Park flickr group
 http://www.flickr.com/groups/asburypark/
 http://www.flickr.com/groups/asburypark/  to include the map and
 Anthony's message.
 
 
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  Below you'll find a shortened URL for a Live Google Map of Maxie
 sightings. If anybody has
  a sighting, send me the location and I'll update the map.
  Here's the URL;
 
  http://xrl.us/bbeei




 
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[AsburyPark] Hamilton Acquitted

2007-11-20 Thread kerry butch

Just received a call that John Hamiliton was acquitted. Can anyone verify this? 
I can't help thinking that he was the most vocal oponent of the waterfront 
redevekopment plan and was taken down prior to the adoption of the plan.
   
  Kerry

   
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: GO BISHOPS!!!

Good morning Sharon---The game is being play in AP @ 10:30 am they played in 
Neptune last year

- Original Message 
From: 2fine4u [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 11:04:20 AM
Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: GO BISHOPS!!!

2 years ago, most of these kids were in the Pop Warner program! 
They're really special! This year, the Turkey Day game will be played
in Neptune. It's an old rivalry! I know, because for years, I took
one boy from Asbury and one from Neptune to Breakfast at 6:00 AM in
the morning, down to the old L  M Diner, on the Asbury Circle. Mr,
Conti, the former coach of Asbury Park, then coaching for Ocean
Township knew me from my coaching days in Neptune.

My 5 kids, went through the Neptune program and are still friends with
their old rivals, who if they won, would come to my Neptune home,
eat and brag all day or it was wait until next year. I saw a
special on HBO about Ohio State adn Michigan. Now THAT's a rivalry.

My rival, when I attended Xavier Prep, was St. Augustine's, Home of
the Marching 100. Not only did my high school beat them for 4
consecutive years, but I was once married to one of their football
players! Our Gold and White High School Band beat theirs, back then,
too! We wore the Pope's colors, so we knew we were special! So much
for marrying a Catholic!

High School prepares kids, for the real world. At least it did, when
I was a student. I had never heard of gangs before, mostly because I
was raised under a rock! The things a kid has to do to fit in, today,
makes me wince! For some of these kids, this will be their last big
thing. They certainly will have something to tell thier kids, in
later years, if they get to live that long. I certainly support
anything this town, wishes to do!

--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, dsher4 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 here's a thought regarding taxpayer money or funds raised by 
 citizens/mm/ asbury partners. Win or lose something special should 
 be done for this football team by this town. Show these kids (and 
 the younger ones who look up to them) what can happen with hard work 
 and dedication. It also sends a message that the town is united and 
 is willing to stand behind the kids when they do good things, not 
 just arrest them when they do bad things. Any ideas?

 --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, justifiedright 
 justifiedright@  wrote:

  The APHS Football team is going to play for their section of the 
 State 
  Championship next Saturday, probably at Rutgers.

  They are 9-1, having won 9 straight. An enourmous turn around 
 from 
  last year when they were 1-9. In their defense, the board of ed 
 last 
  year acutally let them start the season without having a coach.

  Anyway, since APHS hasn't won a title in 23 years and hasn't 
 played 
  for one in 20, this is historic.

  A town gets judged by its football.

  Maybe it would be a good idea to go up to Rutgers next weekend to 
  support them.

  It just so happens that Howell is playing the same day at Rutgers 
 for 
  a Championship in a different sectiton, so I get a 2 for 1.

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Re: [AsburyPark] Hamilton Acquitted

was that call from a reliable source

- Original Message 
From: kerry butch [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 11:54:49 AM
Subject: [AsburyPark] Hamilton Acquitted

Just received a call that John Hamiliton was acquitted. Can anyone verify this? 
I can't help thinking that he was the most vocal oponent of the waterfront 
redevekopment plan and was taken down prior to the adoption of the plan.

Kerry

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[AsburyPark] Re: How do we reduce our deficit?

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, 2fine4u [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Please run for office!  

A wise man once said never become a politician...


Honest, business and politics don't mix.



 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Missing Red English Bulldog. Please keep looking

2007-11-20 Thread anthonyg1464

LOL
boy i needed that laugh

anthonyg

- Original Message -
From: oakdorf 
Date: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:14 pm
Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Missing Red English Bulldog. Please keep looking
To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com

  I am going to take the advice I now give for my own pets. 
 There is a
  service where you can put a gps in the collar or some even in 
 a chip
  under the skin (I think i'll go with the former) and you can track
  your pet on the internet if they get lost. I'll look for the link.

 I think I'm going to implant one on my wife ):

[AsburyPark] Re: Hamilton Acquitted

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, kerry butch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Just received a call that John Hamiliton was acquitted. Can anyone
verify this? I can't help thinking that he was the most vocal oponent
of the waterfront redevekopment plan and was taken down prior to the
adoption of the plan.

He was charged years after the plan was adopted. While I think nothing
happens in a vacuum, I do not see conspiracies everywhere.




 
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 I think I'm going to implant one on my wife ):


I don't need GPS for mine. I simply look at the debit card charges online.



 
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 I am going to take the advice I now give for my own pets. There is a
 service where you can put a gps in the collar or some even in a chip
 under the skin (I think i'll go with the former) and you can track
 your pet on the internet if they get lost. I'll look for the link.


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[AsburyPark] Re: The New Jersey Exodus That Wasnât

2007-11-20 Thread Paul Vail

I wonder how many would leave if they could sell their houses?

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 A great example demonstrating how facts (data) don't always reveal 
the  
 truth.
  
  
 _The  New Jersey Exodus That Wasnât - New York Times_ 
 
(http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/18/opinion/nyregionopinions/18NJforsb
erg.html?_r=1oref=slogin)  
 
  
  
 In a message dated 11/19/2007 3:56:13 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
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 The New Jersey Exodus  That Wasn't By  MARY E. FORSBERG  NOV. 18, 
2007 It 
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[AsburyPark] Public housing

Interesting thread. Of course, the usual off wall comments too.

http://curbed.com/archives/2007/11/20/panderers.php



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Hamilton Acquitted

Kerry that is the dumbest conspiracy theory ever floated on this board.

If John is aquitted, then I suspect it is exactly as I called it the 
day he was arrested - he appeared to have been entrapped.  I saw a 
prosecutor from the US attorney's office practically brag about it on 
News 9 (and I called John and alerted him to it).

When the Operation Bid Rig defendants went down, John was such a stand 
out.  Most of the rest were Northern Monmouth Republicans who all knew 
one another and all took actual cash (although as time went by, more 
Monmouth Democrats were arrested).  

John had nothing to do with them and took no cash.  Steffer, it 
appeared, was sent out to look for trouble, and seems to have 
fabricated the trouble himself with John.  That's the gravaman of 
entrapment.

The timing of the trial is excellent for an aquittal.  Not just 
because people have big hearts at Thanksgiving - they are also busy.

To find someone guilty, a jury has to go through the jury charge 
meticulously and make plenty of positve findings.  That takes time.  
For a Not Guilty they don't, so fast verdicts usually means good news 
for a defendant.

The jury got the case at 10:30.  If they are done already, it looks 
good for John.

I hope he wins.

  


--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, kerry butch kerrymbutch@ wrote:
 
  Just received a call that John Hamiliton was acquitted. Can anyone
 verify this? I can't help thinking that he was the most vocal oponent
 of the waterfront redevekopment plan and was taken down prior to 
the
 adoption of the plan.
 
 He was charged years after the plan was adopted. While I think 
nothing
 happens in a vacuum, I do not see conspiracies everywhere.





 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: The New Jersey Exodus That Wasn't

 
In a message dated 11/20/2007 12:12:52 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I  wonder how many would leave if they could sell their  houses?


The article uses census data and tax figures from before the  current slump 
in home sales.

A more accurate picture can be seen by examining state income  tax data from 
the New Jersey Division of Taxation. In 2005 (the most recent  year for which 
state data are available),
 
_The  New Jersey Exodus That Wasn’t - New York Times_ 
(http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/18/opinion/nyregionopinions/18NJforsberg.html?_r=1oref=slogin)
   


The sky is not falling in NJ:  

 
New Jersey’s population is growing at a slower rate than in  the past. A good 
thing for the nation’s most densely populated state.  

The median income of people who come is higher than that of those  who leave. 
This suggests that many who leave are retirees, while many who come  are in 
their peak earning years.
 
State income tax in 2005 was assessed on gross income of $258.1  billion, up 
15 percent from 2001. 
 
New Jersey benefits from having the fifth-largest immigrant  influx of any 
state.

 

 
And we get fewer federal monies back than we contribute.   Those moving to 
red states will be benefiting from our welfare.  Red states  get more fed money 
than they contribute.
 
 
 
 



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[AsburyPark] Re: Hamilton Acquitted

2007-11-20 Thread kerrymbutch

John Hamilton was charged with conspiracy. Tommy,what's your take on 
why they entrapped John? 

Kerry



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Hamilton Acquitted

Kerry there is no motive. There is no why this happened to John 
Hamilton.  You are still stuck on the idea that someone with an 
ulterior motive was tryng to get to him.

Sometimes good police work goes too far, despite the best of 
intentions.  That's what happened here.  Bid Rig was a huge county-
wide operation that started in 1999.  Hamilton was not an intentional 
target of anyone (except Steffer).

I was very uncomfortable reading about how the FBI sent Duke Steffer 
out to do the investigation himself about who might be willing to take 
a bribe and who might not be.  That just sounds like a license for 
Steffer to set people up.

Considering that Steffer is a lying, cheating felon, certainly I 
believe that guy could go too far.  I think he did with John.

In fact, in political circles around Monmouth, there are many people 
right now privately telling stories how Steffer tried to initiate 
contact with them, or even hand them money, but fortunatly, they 
turned him down.

I don't blame John.  One Sunday I was sitting on my couch watching 
football, and two strangers knocked on my door.  The said they were 
doing a driveway down the street, and offered to seal mine with the 
leftover materials for $80.00.  I let them.

That's probably all that happened with John. Unfortunatly for him, the 
guy at his door was Steffer.









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 John Hamilton was charged with conspiracy. Tommy,what's your take on 
 why they entrapped John? 
 
 Kerry





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Hamilton Acquitted


 I don't blame John.  One Sunday I was sitting on my couch watching 
 football, and two strangers knocked on my door.  The said they were 
 doing a driveway down the street, and offered to seal mine with the 
 leftover materials for $80.00.  I let them.

Five years ago, I got my driveway paved as well. Same thing. the left 
over from the house next door. My quoted price was around $1200 for a 
aveg 10 x 125'. To do it right, they had to grade the damn thing. 
Considering it was a common drive with my neighbor and the way I took 
care of it after every rain (scopping up the dirt at the bottom), I 
coudn't go wrong. When they were done (they had to get more tar - as 
there wasnt enough leftover  they wanted to charge me double.





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: GO BISHOPS!!!

2007-11-20 Thread asburycheech

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, denise [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Good morning Sharon---The game is being play in AP @ 10:30 am they
played in Neptune last year
 

Hi Group Members,
Yes, the Thanksgiving Day game is at Asbury this year, at 10:30 as
Denise says.  At halftime there will be special presentations for the
players and for band members and others as well.  Should be a very
special day for our extraordinary students in an exceptional year. 
The state championship game at Rutgers is on the 30th at 5 PM. 
 Frank   



 
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[AsburyPark] E Street's Van Zandt has Drawn Up a High School Music Curriculum

Steven Van Zandt remembers the moment: “It was the beginning of my life.”

Adapted from _The Segmented Society - New York Times_
(http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/20/opinion/20brooks.html?emex=1195707600en=db8743281d410063ei=5087
)

By _DAVID BROOKS_
(http://topics.nytimes.com/top/opinion/editorialsandoped/oped/columnists/davidbrooks/index.html?inline=nyt-per)
, Op-Ed Columnist,
November 20, 2007

Van Zandt fell for the Beatles and discovered the blues and early rock music
that inspired them. He played in a series of bands on the Jersey shore, and
when a friend wanted to draw on his encyclopedic blues knowledge for a song
called “Tenth Avenue Freeze-Out,” Van Zandt wound up as a guitarist for Bruce
Springsteen and the E Street Band
Van Zandt grew up in one era and now thrives in the other, but how long can
mega-groups like the E Street Band still tour?
“This could be the last time,” he says.
He argues that if the Rolling Stones came along now, they wouldn’t be able to
get mass airtime because there is no broadcast vehicle for all-purpose rock.
And he says that most young musicians don’t know the roots and traditions of
their music. They don’t have broad musical vocabularies to draw on when they
are writing songs.
As a result, much of their music (and here I’m bowdlerizing his language)
stinks.
He describes a musical culture that has lost touch with its common roots. And
as he speaks, I hear the echoes of thousands of other interviews concerning
dozens of other spheres
Van Zandt has a way to counter all this, at least where music is concerned.
He’s drawn up a high school music curriculum that tells American history
through music. It would introduce students to Muddy Waters, the Mississippi
Sheiks, Bob Dylan and the Allman Brothers. He’s trying to use music to
motivate and
engage students, but most of all, he is trying to establish a canon, a
common tradition that reminds students that they are inheritors of a long
conversation.
And Van Zandt is doing something that is going to be increasingly necessary
for foundations and civic groups. We live in an age in which the technological
and commercial momentum drives fragmentation. It’s going to be necessary to
set up countervailing forces — institutions that span social, class and
ethnic lines.
Music used to do this. Not so much anymore.

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[AsburyPark] Re: E Street's Van Zandt has Drawn Up a High School Music Curriculum

2007-11-20 Thread arcman210

I heard about this a few months ago, it really is a great idea and I 
hope it catches on across the country and soon.  I took a Rock and Roll 
history class a few semesters ago and while I already had known alot 
about Rock and Roll music going into it, I learned so much in that 
class.  I'm sure Little Stevens curriculum is superb, judging by his 
radio show and artistic ability.  He really knows his stuff and is 
trying hard to get Rock and Roll going back in the right direction from 
the horrible turn it has taken in the past decade.  Todays teens need 
to learn what real music is, and this should without a doubt become 
standard in high school music classes.  



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: E Street's Van Zandt has Drawn Up a High School Music Curriculum

2007-11-20 Thread Jack Pitzer

Stuff like this illustrates the idea that Asbury Park could really capitalize 
on developing it's 
reputation as a breeding ground for great music and musicians, as well as 
showcasing our 
musical history, and bringing more clubs on line to expand both the types of 
music one 
can go to hear live, as well as giving bands, both local and and national new 
and exciting 
places to play. Asbury Park could literally become one big School of Rock, very 
similar to 
Austin TX and Seattle.

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, arcman210 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I heard about this a few months ago, it really is a great idea and I 
 hope it catches on across the country and soon.  I took a Rock and Roll 
 history class a few semesters ago and while I already had known alot 
 about Rock and Roll music going into it, I learned so much in that 
 class.  I'm sure Little Stevens curriculum is superb, judging by his 
 radio show and artistic ability.  He really knows his stuff and is 
 trying hard to get Rock and Roll going back in the right direction from 
 the horrible turn it has taken in the past decade.  Todays teens need 
 to learn what real music is, and this should without a doubt become 
 standard in high school music classes.






 
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[AsburyPark] Re: E Street's Van Zandt has Drawn Up a High School Music Curriculum

2007-11-20 Thread arcman210

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Stuff like this illustrates the idea that Asbury Park could really 
capitalize on developing it's 
 reputation as a breeding ground for great music and musicians, as 
well as showcasing our 
 musical history, and bringing more clubs on line to expand both the 
types of music one 
 can go to hear live, as well as giving bands, both local and and 
national new and exciting 
 places to play. Asbury Park could literally become one big School 
of Rock, very similar to 
 Austin TX and Seattle.


Exactly. Its already here to build upon. There are two beautiful, 
architecturally significant, historical venues in the Paramount 
Theatre and Convention Hall. There is the Stone Pony, the legendary 
rock club that can give local bands a chance as well as national acts 
a place to hold an intimate performance. Something I think would be 
absolutely fantastic for Asbury Park is if a Jazz Club opened 
somewhere in the downtown area.



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: E Street's Van Zandt has Drawn Up a High School Music Curriculum

2007-11-20 Thread Jack Pitzer

Or a BB Kings, or something along the lines of a House of Blues.

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, arcman210 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote:
 
  Stuff like this illustrates the idea that Asbury Park could really 
 capitalize on developing it's 
  reputation as a breeding ground for great music and musicians, as 
 well as showcasing our 
  musical history, and bringing more clubs on line to expand both the 
 types of music one 
  can go to hear live, as well as giving bands, both local and and 
 national new and exciting 
  places to play. Asbury Park could literally become one big School 
 of Rock, very similar to 
  Austin TX and Seattle.
 
 
 Exactly. Its already here to build upon. There are two beautiful, 
 architecturally significant, historical venues in the Paramount 
 Theatre and Convention Hall. There is the Stone Pony, the legendary 
 rock club that can give local bands a chance as well as national acts 
 a place to hold an intimate performance. Something I think would be 
 absolutely fantastic for Asbury Park is if a Jazz Club opened 
 somewhere in the downtown area.






 
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

something along the lines of a House of Blues.


You must have ESP. I hear rumors 




 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Van Zandt's School Music - We're a bit late

Jack we are a bit late with this idea.

You might recall my biggest gripe (we all have one) is how Asbury 
Park High School was segregated by race back in 1996.

Well, they did it with Music.  Isn't that ironic?  You want to use 
music to help Asbury, and the state used it to hurt Asbury.

Asbury Park's High School sending districts were from Deal down 
Belmar, including Interlaken, excluding Loch Arbor.  That kept the 
school racially desegregated, and it was also the natural state of 
things - those were always the sending districts.

1996 was when the Commission of Education ruled that Red Bank 
Regional's music program so exceeded Asbury Park's, that APHS 
students could go to RBR for the music program instead.  

Nearly all of them from the sending districts did.  Damn near every 
student that got accepted was white (not RBR's fault; that's who 
applied).  APHS became racially segregated overnight.

Well, its grown beyond our control, now.   RBR's Performing  Arts 
program is so big now (and it's a great program from what I hear) 
they are taking kids from all over the county.

Add to that other towns have started their own.  In Howell we have a 
concentrated performing arts program.  I hear approximately 600 
students apply for 23 seats.

The RBR ruling by the commmissioner was a coffin nail for APHS.  
Only a federal civil rights lawsuit challenging the ruling based 
upon de facto segregation can change it.

I've been singing that song for almost a decade, to everyone who 
ever ran for board of education in AP.  They think its worth 
following up on when they are running for office.  They forget it 
after election day.

No one's listening.

No one cares.





--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Stuff like this illustrates the idea that Asbury Park could really 
capitalize on developing it's 
 reputation as a breeding ground for great music and musicians, as 
well as showcasing our 
 musical history, and bringing more clubs on line to expand both 
the types of music one 
 can go to hear live, as well as giving bands, both local and and 
national new and exciting 
 places to play. Asbury Park could literally become one big School 
of Rock, very similar to 
 Austin TX and Seattle.




 
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[AsburyPark] No Verdict in Hamilton Case Yet

No verdict in Hamilton case; deliberations continue tomorrow
Posted by the Asbury Park Press on 11/20/07

BY CHARLES WEBSTER IV
Story Chat Post Comment

NEWARK  A federal jury tomorrow will continue to deliberate the
federal charges of bribery against former Asbury Park City Councilman
John J. Hamilton Jr..

The case went to the U.S. District Court jury around 10 a.m. today,
and the jury adjourned for the day shortly before 5 p.m. without
reaching a verdict. Deliberations will begin again tomorrow.

Hamilton has been charged with offering public, no-bid contracts to a
demolition contractor - a role played by FBI informant Robert Duke''
Steffer - in return for having his driveway paved. Steffer was working
for the FBI as an undercover informant, and his conversations with
Hamilton were recorded.

Steffer played a pivotal role in the investigation, culminating in the
arrests in 2005 of more than a dozen public officials and vendors in
the Monmouth County political corruption probe dubbed Operation Bid
Rig.''

Authorities had Steffer pose as a corrupt contractor and loan shark in
dealings with public officials in Monmouth County and several towns
between 2001 and 2004.

Hamilton is accused of accepting a bribe and bartering to the driveway
of his home paved in 2001; in exchange, authorities say, Hamilton was
to steer municipal contracts to Steffer's fictitious company.

Hamilton has pleaded not guilty to the charges.
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Van Zandt's School Music - We're a bit late

 
In a message dated 11/20/2007 4:59:54 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

You  might recall my biggest gripe (we all have one) is how Asbury 
Park High  School was segregated by race back in 1996.


As I recall, the biggest step to virtual segregation was back in the 60's  
when OTHS opened.  I taught there shortly after, and the system was still  
reeling from the racial imbalance created then.
 
The 1996 decision about Red Bank's music program caused problems for all  
local school districts, white suburban ones included, who had  discontinued or 
severely cut back on their music programs.
 
 



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[AsburyPark] Tom's Weekly Greetings....

Tom Gilmour's Weekly Update:   Madison Asbury Retail is creating  a Holiday 
Bazaar in the Grand Arcade at Convention Hall  MM's list below  looks 
impressive.  
==

Greetings from Asbury Park:
Wishes for a wonderful  Thanksgiving! HUGE! 
Here's a rundown on some of the  Thanksgiving events in the city this week: 
November  21st
First United  Methodist Church, Dinner, 5 PM to 7 PM.
November 22nd
Asbury Park Fire Dept., Dinner, 11 AM to 2  PM.
Market In The  Middle, Dinner 12 Noon to 3 PM.
St. Paul's United Methodist, Dinner, Noon, Call to register  732.775.1125
November  25th
Salvation Army, Recovery Service   Dinner, 4 PM. 
The Asbury Park Varsity Football  Team knocked off No.1 seed South River 22-7 
in the NJSIAA Central Jersey Group I  semi-final to advance to a sectional 
championship for the first time in 20  years. Go Blue Bishops! HUGE! 
If you missed The West Park  Players production of The Laramie Project last 
weekend, you really missed a  very special performance. The after party 
fundraiser at The Salt Water Beach  Café was a lot of fun with great food. 
Patti 
and I had the pleasure of breaking  bread with Father Bob from The Center who 
was one of the beneficiaries of the  performance. Next thing we knew it was 2 
AM!  
Yes, Bruce was in the city last  week filming a new music video! Stay tuned! 
City artist, Erica Jones, was one  of three artists that painted the mural at 
the new Prudential Sports Arena (home  of the NJ Devils) in Newark. Cool! 
Madison Asbury Retail is creating  a Holiday Bazaar in the Grand Arcade at 
Convention Hall. Shops include La Placa  Pottery, The Baker Boys, The Man 
Store, 
Casa DiFormaggio, Experience Asbury,  Market In The Middle's Soup Kitchen, A 
Different Twist, Brielle Cyclery, Mike's  Beach House, and Trillium Antiques. 
Shiver, a new bar  lounge will also be  opened. The Bazaar will open November 
23rd and will include live  talent nightly including Rock  Roll chorus, Gary 
U.S. Bonds, The Asbury  Park HS Band, Trinity Church Choir, Shore Regional HS 
Choir, and John Eddie.  Michael Walker from Madison Marquette, gave me a tour 
today and it is going to  be very cool. For more info visit asburyevents.com 
or call 732.897.8810. Deck  the Halls!  
Happy Thanksgiving! This is a  time that we all need to take a little time 
off and give thanks for all we have  and reach out to those who need our help. 
I 
am grateful to be in Asbury Park and  working with so many caring 
individuals. I am also grateful for all of you who  are supporting all of us. 
HUGE! 
Wishes for a wonderful and safe  Thanksgiving. 
Tom Gilmour
Director of Commerce and Good  Times 
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they may go to the city's  web site, _www.cityofasburypark.com_ 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Van Zandt's School Music - We're a bit late

The opening of OTHS was certainly a big blow to Asbury, but it was 
self imposed.  They asked for one seat on the Board of Ed because 
they had as many students in APHS as we did.

In the worst decision ever made by AP, the Board of Ed turned OT 
down.  So they built their own high school.

I have no qualms with that.  That's their right.

Asbury still had enough white students for the school to be 
desegregated, and that was the natural state of things.

The decision regarding RBR had minimal impact on other school 
districts.  They primarly took from Asbury's sending districts, and 
they took all the white kids.  That wasn't replicated in any other 
school.

But like I said, no one cares.  Folks will just continue to minimize 
it.

I'm starting to care less too.

10 years of being the only one to see it and complain about it gets 
pretty frustrating.  If the people it is happending to don't care, 
why should I?



 
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[AsburyPark] No verdict in Hamilton case

2007-11-20 Thread wernerapnj

No verdict in Hamilton case; deliberations continue tomorrow
Posted by the Asbury Park Press on 11/20/07

BY CHARLES WEBSTER IV

 Post Comment
NEWARK  A federal jury tomorrow will continue to deliberate the federal 
charges of 
bribery against former Asbury Park City Councilman John J. Hamilton Jr..

The case went to the U.S. District Court jury around 10 a.m. today, and the 
jury adjourned 
for the day shortly before 5 p.m. without reaching a verdict. Deliberations 
will begin again 
tomorrow.

Hamilton has been charged with offering public, no-bid contracts to a 
demolition 
contractor - a role played by FBI informant Robert Duke'' Steffer - in return 
for having his 
driveway paved. Steffer was working for the FBI as an undercover informant, and 
his 
conversations with Hamilton were recorded.

Steffer played a pivotal role in the investigation, culminating in the arrests 
in 2005 of more 
than a dozen public officials and vendors in the Monmouth County political 
corruption 
probe dubbed Operation Bid Rig.''

Authorities had Steffer pose as a corrupt contractor and loan shark in dealings 
with public 
officials in Monmouth County and several towns between 2001 and 2004.

Hamilton is accused of accepting a bribe and bartering to the driveway of his 
home paved 
in 2001; in exchange, authorities say, Hamilton was to steer municipal 
contracts to 
Steffer's fictitious company.

Hamilton has pleaded not guilty to the charges.



 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Van Zandt's School Music - We're a bit late

 
In a message dated 11/20/2007 5:41:10 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

The  decision regarding RBR had minimal impact on other school  districts.


Not so minimal if you worked, as I did, at one of the schools  which lost 
students to RBR during the 1990's declining enrollment period.   The additional 
loss of students who wanted an enriched arts program  had a ripple effect 
across the curriculum: budgets, staffing, loss of other  elective programs, 
RIFs, 
et al.
 
It may not have been a racial imbalance problem, but it wasn't  minimal.
 
Unintended consequences: Can't blame parents who wanted full arts  
instruction, or RBR for taking the lead, going against the grain by upgrading  
their 
program rather than cutting it.

In the  worst decision ever made by AP, the Board of Ed turned OT down. So 
they built  their own high school.
That could be.  But I suspect that OT would have eventually  built their own 
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 It may not have been a racial imbalance problem, but it wasn't
minimal.


It was extremely minimal.  The effect the ruling had on other schools
was the dictionary definition of what is minimal.

Go look at a before and after year book at Monmouth Regional, and one
from Asbury Park.  Monouth Regional's changes don't even show.  Asbury
Park's changes are incredible.  One whole race has been excised from the
school.  You can't even compare the two.

Not going to get inot some back and forth with you, because the issue is
too important to subject it to that.


 Unintended consequences: Can't blame parents who wanted full arts
 instruction, or RBR for taking the lead, going against the grain by
upgrading their
 program rather than cutting it.


I made this point in the line: We're a bit late.






 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Missing Red English Bulldog. Please keep looking

2007-11-20 Thread nferreira2000

Hi folks. Anthony G received a call that a dog that looked like 
Maxie was spotted!! She was spotted around Fisher, Summerfield, and 
Myrtle around 5:30 pm today

He's out looking for her right now

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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Van Zandt's School Music - We're a bit late

In a message dated 11/20/2007 6:45:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
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It was  extremely minimal. 
I worked at a school where it wasn't minimal to any of us.

Not  going to get inot some back and forth with you, because the issue is too 
 important to subject it to that.
I'm not interested in any back and forth with you either.  So we agree  to 
disagree.
 
Not sure what the issue is.  But I don't need a yearbook.  I  taught at APHS 
when the racial imbalance had a profound influence, and I taught  at a 
regional district where the impact of RBR's arts programs was the  subject of 
too 
many excruciatingly long board, parents, and faculty  meetings: Instruction 
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 Go look at a before and after year book at Monmouth Regional, and one
 from Asbury Park.  Monouth Regional's changes don't even show.  Asbury
 Park's changes are incredible.  One whole race has been excised from the
 school.  You can't even compare the two.
 

Dan, how about analyzing the population shift in general over that period. Deal 
can't even 
maintain their own k-8 school let alone send to AP. They basically have no 
studdent 
population - same for Allenhurst and last Loch Arbor (OT),  Now you know Belmar 
almost 
always sent to St. Rose, Allenhurst to RBC, Itnerlaken wither RBC or St  Rose 
since most of 
these towns were either Irish Cath or Italian or a good mix of the 2.

AP has had the OPPORTUNITY with over 1 billion in state aid to build a superior 
program 
but failed for one reason or the other. Skip the race issue. No reason a single 
race school 
can't excel. You don't need white kids to make the rest smarter.

What the REAL problem is in Monmouth County as a whole is that the quality of 
education 
overall has diminshed (my opinion). At least in OT.

Why can't all kids have the SAME opportunity for a HIGHER level of 
education/programs 
offered i the speciality schools which, as you pointed out, IS NOT open to all 
residents. 
You have to apply and hope your kid didn't f-up along the way.

Make all the schools strict and fund more programs and enforce strict policies 
as to 
learning and discipline instead of letting kids skate along?

The issue has nothing to do with race. I



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Van Zandt's School Music - We're a bit late

Go complain to the Katrina victims that your basement once flooded 
after it rained.

That's about what you are doing now by comparing the complete 
excision of the white race from APHS to a couple of late board of 
education meetings over parental anxiety at Monmouth Regional.

It's exactly thinking like that which hides the severity of what the 
kids in Asbury Park are going through because of that decision - 
racial segregation. 

Of course you live there and I don't, so if nothing continues to get 
done about it, it's not my kids that suffer, its yours.

So go ahead and think what you want about it.

Why should I care?




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 In a message dated 11/20/2007 6:45:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
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 It was  extremely minimal. 
 I worked at a school where it wasn't minimal to any of us.
 
 Not  going to get inot some back and forth with you, because the 
issue is too 
  important to subject it to that.
 I'm not interested in any back and forth with you either.  So we 
agree  to 
 disagree.
  
 Not sure what the issue is.  But I don't need a yearbook.  I  
taught at APHS 
 when the racial imbalance had a profound influence, and I taught  
at a 
 regional district where the impact of RBR's arts programs was the  
subject of too 
 many excruciatingly long board, parents, and faculty  meetings: 
Instruction 
 suffered at both.
  
  
 
  
 
 
 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Missing Red English Bulldog. Please keep looking

2007-11-20 Thread nferreira2000

Hi folks. Anthony G received a call that a dog that looked like
Maxie was spotted!! She was spotted around Fisher, Summerfield, and
Myrtle around 5:30 pm today

He's out looking for her right now

Nelson


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[AsburyPark] Re: Missing Red English Bulldog. Please keep looking

2007-11-20 Thread Jack Pitzer

Map updated!

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 He's out looking for her right now
 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Van Zandt's School Music - We're a bit late

I meant tommy
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
  
  Go look at a before and after year book at Monmouth Regional, and one
  from Asbury Park.  Monouth Regional's changes don't even show.  Asbury
  Park's changes are incredible.  One whole race has been excised from the
  school.  You can't even compare the two.
  
 
 Dan, how about analyzing the population shift in general over that period. 
 Deal can't 
even 
 maintain their own k-8 school let alone send to AP. They basically have no 
 studdent 
 population - same for Allenhurst and last Loch Arbor (OT),  Now you know 
 Belmar 
almost 
 always sent to St. Rose, Allenhurst to RBC, Itnerlaken wither RBC or St  Rose 
 since most 
of 
 these towns were either Irish Cath or Italian or a good mix of the 2.
 
 AP has had the OPPORTUNITY with over 1 billion in state aid to build a 
 superior program 
 but failed for one reason or the other. Skip the race issue. No reason a 
 single race 
school 
 can't excel. You don't need white kids to make the rest smarter.
 
 What the REAL problem is in Monmouth County as a whole is that the quality of 
education 
 overall has diminshed (my opinion). At least in OT.
 
 Why can't all kids have the SAME opportunity for a HIGHER level of 
 education/programs 
 offered i the speciality schools which, as you pointed out, IS NOT open to 
 all residents. 
 You have to apply and hope your kid didn't f-up along the way.
 
 Make all the schools strict and fund more programs and enforce strict 
 policies as to 
 learning and discipline instead of letting kids skate along?
 
 The issue has nothing to do with race. I





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: No verdict in Hamilton case

2007-11-20 Thread kerrymbutch

Thanks for the info Werner.

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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Van Zandt's School Music - We're a bit late

In a message dated 11/20/2007 7:16:30 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Go  complain to the Katrina victims that your basement once flooded after it  
rained.  That's about what you are doing now by comparing the  complete 
excision of the white race from APHS 
 
 
You're missing my point with that insidious analogy.  The '96  decision to 
allow students from other districts to attend RBR 
_http://www.state.nj.us/education/legal/sboe/1997/asbpk.pdf_ 
(http://www.state.nj.us/education/legal/sboe/1997/asbpk.pdf)was not the 
straw that broke 
the proverbial camel's back in AP.
 
 

to a  couple of late board of education meetings over parental anxiety at 
Monmouth  Regional.
 
It wasn't Monmouth Regional.  And it wasn't parental  anxiety.  For the BOE, 
It was tuition money that went to RBR; for the  staff, loss of other elective 
programs and jobs; for angry parents, why we  didn't offer enhanced programs 
regardless of cost (as opposed to taxpayers  without school-age children).
 

It's  exactly thinking like that which hides the severity of what the kids in 
Asbury  Park are going through because of that decision -  racial 
segregation. Of  course you live there and I don't, so if nothing continues to 
get done 
about  it, it's not my kids that suffer, its yours. So go ahead and think what 
you  want about it.  Why should I care?
 
If you're trying to label me as insensitive to racial issues,  you're way off 
base.  Quite the opposite.  To put it  bluntly, I believe white flight, which 
started way before that RBR decision,  caused many of our problems here.  
 
Your issue is an oversimplification.  I had maybe two or  three whites in 
my classes at APHS way before 1996.
 
And I've never regretted not having fled  from Asbury Park.
 
So let's just agree that Asbury Park's schools need a dedicated  BOE, 
administration, and faculty, and look forward to support those who fit that  
bill.
 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Missing Red English Bulldog. Please keep looking

I cracked up, on that one!  You're funny!

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  I am going to take the advice I now give for my own pets. There is a
  service where you can put a gps in the collar or some even in a chip
  under the skin (I think i'll go with the former) and you can track
  your pet on the internet if they get lost. I'll look for the link.
 
 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Van Zandt's School Music - We're a bit late

In a message dated 11/20/2007 7:09:28 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

how  about analyzing the population shift in general over that period. ...
AP  has had the OPPORTUNITY with over 1 billion in state aid to build a 
superior  program 
but failed for one reason or the other. Skip the race issue. No  reason a 
single race school 
can't excel. You don't need white kids to make  the rest smarter.
 
Good points.
 
 

ll  kids have the SAME opportunity for a HIGHER level of education/programs  
offered i the speciality schools which, as you pointed out, IS NOT open to  
all residents. 
You have to apply and hope your kid didn't f-up along the  way.
 
A slippery slope with that one -  Doesn't M.A.S.T. also have a  application 
procedure?  Entry tests?  Otherwise how do you  choose?
 
 

Make  all the schools strict and fund more programs and enforce strict 
policies as  to learning and discipline instead of letting kids skate  along?


Parent responsibility is somewhere in there I hope
 

The  issue has nothing to do with race. I
 
 
It shouldn't.  Unfortunately, it does.  But I think our country,  as a whole, 
has come a long way.  Still a way to go.
 
 
 
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[AsburyPark] Re: GO BISHOPS!!!

I take you and Denise at your word!  I'm now missing a year!  Don't
laugh, I'm serious!  Hope AP takes it all!  Don't tell my kids!

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  Good morning Sharon---The game is being play in AP @ 10:30 am they
 played in Neptune last year
  
 
 Hi Group Members,
 Yes, the Thanksgiving Day game is at Asbury this year, at 10:30 as
 Denise says.  At halftime there will be special presentations for the
 players and for band members and others as well.  Should be a very
 special day for our extraordinary students in an exceptional year. 
 The state championship game at Rutgers is on the 30th at 5 PM. 
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 Dan, how about analyzing the population shift in general over that 
period. Deal can't even 
 maintain their own k-8 school let alone send to AP. They basically 
have no studdent 
 population - same for Allenhurst and last Loch Arbor (OT),  Now 
you know Belmar almost 
 always sent to St. Rose, Allenhurst to RBC, Itnerlaken wither RBC 
or St  Rose since most of 
 these towns were either Irish Cath or Italian or a good mix of the 
2.

It's your point, so how about you analyze it?  If you are going to 
suggest to me that the sending districts have less high school aged 
students now than in 1996, I'm calling shenanigans.  Show me that 
I'm wrong.

Your points about the various towns are wrong.  There were plenty of 
students from each of those towns when I went to APHS and later when 
I taught there.

Like I said - go check the yearbooks. 

You will see the few years before this ruling, when RBR started the 
program, a great drop off of white students, and then a full scale 
vanishing afterward.
 
 AP has had the OPPORTUNITY with over 1 billion in state aid to 
build a superior program 
 but failed for one reason or the other. 

$1 bilion?  I don't think your number is right. Abbott funding is 10 
years old.  We got $56 million last year.  I don't think we got $1 
Billion over 10 years.  But I'm no expert.  Could be wrong.  Show me.

I've seen you complain of AP's Abbott money before.  I think the 
funding formula is bad too.  However:

In the 50 years before Abbott funding, when the Feds made us house 
the poor here in Federal Housing, and sent us barely anything in 
education money, Asbury Park lost millions upon millions of dollars 
for 50 years.

In that whole 50 years, I don't recall anyone from Asbury turning to 
the folks in Ocean and demanding that they kick in for Asbury 
handling a federal problem.  Yet you sure do complain alot now that 
your on the losing side of the money.

If you want to blame Abbott funding, I'm with you.  Blame Asbury?  
Forget it. Everyone still owes us for that 50 years. 


Skip the race issue. 

Thankfully Thurgood Marshall thought differently. He didn't skip 
the race issue.  See Brown v Board of Education.


No reason a single race school 
 can't excel. 

Agreed, but since Asbury Park High School was not naturally a single 
race school, why bus the white kids out and make it an unnatural 
single race school?


You don't need white kids to make the rest smarter.

Agreed again, but what of the benefits of diversity, both racial and 
economic?  Have those concepts been abandoned?  Well, as evidenced 
by that ruling that 10 years worth of AP Board of Education members 
have been too stupid to challange, apparantly so.  Very much so have 
those ideas been abandoned in Asbury Park.

Also, liberal activists of yesteryear would never have sat still and 
let a state sponsored segregation of a school stand.  Today's 
liberal activists care more for trees and polar bears than people, 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Van Zandt's School Music - We're a bit late