[AsburyPark] Re: Shut Up and Sing
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't put words in my mouth, you ass. Don't tell me what I'd hate or not hate. I've never said Shut Up and Sing about a single performer ever. I could care what any of those Right Wing performers think or say, mostly because they have too little talent to interest me. That information and expression silencing phrase is exclusively the domain of the Nazi-Right. You ignorant ass. Your problem is Springsteen is an American cultural icon, not just a Mega-star but a poet and an actual artist and he thinks your politics are destroying the country. And y'know what, ass? He's right. You don't like what Springsteen may assault you with at a concert? Do go, you ass. Someone else would be happy to take your seat, ass. These are the kind of words that prove your ignorance in that anyone who doesn't agree with your views is the problem. Nazi-right? Anyone who isn't a liberal democrat who supports Barack Obama is a nazi, I guess. Well I see where you're coming from. Its okay for you to call me part of the nazi-right, even though I'm a moderate and not a conservative (but you assume otherwise because I'm not voting for your savior). But if I were to call you a communist, you'd probably be offended and claim you were just a liberal. Typical double standard stereotyping. I wouldn't do that... I would just call you ignorant for assuming anyone who doesn't agree with Springsteen's politics is a neo-conservative right winged nazi. I'm not a nazi... I'm not a right wing conservative. You're putting words in my mouth and stereotyping me because I said I dont want to hear a political rant at a concert. If I were a Ted Nugent fan, or a ZZ Top fan, and they ranted conservative politics at a concert of theirs which I went to, I would want them to shut the hell up and sing too... but I'm not a fan of their music enough where I would go to see them in concert anyway. In fact, all of the concerts I go to are usually with Democratic supporting artists. Springsteen rants at his show. Billy Joel and Bon Jovi are also two huge Democrats, but they keep their mouth shut, and theres not a few parts of their show where half of the audience is just sighing wishing they would cut the crap and do what the audience paid them over $100 to do... and thats perform their music. Freedom of speech is freedom of speech... if a performer or artist thinks he or she can save the world with his political views, and wants to look like an idiot doing it, then by all means let that person do whatever he or she wants. But in my book, they just look ignorant. Bruce Springsteen, Ted Nugent, or whoever wants to look like a moron in alot of their fans eyes can do whatever they want... but its dumb to assume that because someone is a fan of their music means they have to listen to their politics. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Shut Up and Sing
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: no offense arcman but how much you respect him don't mean dick to him and that is the way it should be. if we are to live as free expressive beings, we don't monitor our behavior based on whether someone respects us or not. if he were a man who thought i better watch what i say or people wont like me and fork over the cash he would never be the extraordinary artist and citizen that he is. he would be a version of britney spears. I saw two of his concerts this past year, and would have gone again if I could have afforded to spend the money this summer... I love his music, that will never change. And no matter how many times he talks politics at his concerts, I will still like his music. I'm not going to say to myself well I wont go pay to see his shows because he talks about politics because thats stupid... my $100 doesnt make a difference to him. I pay to see his shows for his music... and as a fan of his music, I wish he would make his concert about that. He's one of the greatest musicians of all time, and a terrific artist. That being said, Alex Rodriguez is an amazing baseball and a tremendous athlete... but that doesn't mean I would go to a game to see him talk about his political views, no matter what they even are. I just wish musicians like Bruce would respect the fact that not everyone agrees on politics and his words really aren't educated or informative enough to make people agree with his views... their just rants. I think thats enough politics for me. Now I'm guilty of talking politics in this group when I spoke out for eliminating these conversations in favor of more AP related topics. Anybody have any information about what the heck is going on with the Convention Hall facade work? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: That Other Election
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sharon_b283 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, you don't know! In the 256 apartment dwelling I live in, many of the dyed in the wool Asbury Park residents have served either as council or some governing board, so your biased thinkig that renters or apartment dwellers don't have the interest of the City at heart, is erroneous! In this very building former Mayor Kramer lived on the 15th Floor with his Filipino Wife! Many police Officers still live here, Firemen and City workers. That's why I made sure to write this is all very unscientific, but might it be that property owners tend to be more compelled toward public service? I emphasize tend there. I'm sure there are plenty of apartment dwellers working for the city. I was hoping someone would fill in the factual blanks to my speculation and you did, so thank you for that. So what do you think is the best way to make sure all residents are equally represented in city government? Could a ward system work? Something else? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Shut Up and Sing
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You should just shut up. On Oct 6, 2008, at 3:30 PM, justifiedright wrote: I like how its okay for you to just tell people to shut up because you dont want to hear their political views that dont agree with yours... but its okay for you to say to me: That information and expression silencing phrase is exclusively the domain of the Nazi-Right. You ignorant ass. Who is the ignorant ass with a double standard again?? Why do you think its okay to tell him to shut up? Hes just expressing his views, just like Bruce does. Seems like you're the one who wishes the other side would be silenced. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Wesley Lake Railings
New topic... Asbury related. Wesley Lake railings. They're in. Hopefully they open the area for people to use. They put in similar railings (or maybe even the same exact kind) to the ones along the Hudson River in Jersey City and Hoboken, for those who are familiar with them. these kind: http://i.pbase.com/u8/hjsteed/large/37518959.041214027DowntownManhattanH udsonRiverPark.jpg Any opinions on these, since they're an Asbury Park issue? I personally think they're very nice, and much safer than the Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Shut Up and Sing
I did not introduce that word in the conversation, but just wondered what it would feel like. On Oct 7, 2008, at 7:39 AM, Gabrielle Obre wrote: with all the ass in this post i couldn't help think of Anthony De Mello. He was a Jesuit priest who wrote a book called Awareness: The Perils and Opportunities of Reality. Its basically about getting over ourselves and one of the greatest lines is I'm an ass your an ass. and well, its pretty true we are all asses on some level. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't put words in my mouth, you ass. Don't tell me what I'd hate or not hate. I've never said Shut Up and Sing about a single performer ever. I could care what any of those Right Wing performers think or say, mostly because they have too little talent to interest me. That information and expression silencing phrase is exclusively the domain of the Nazi-Right. You ignorant ass. Your problem is Springsteen is an American cultural icon, not just a Mega-star but a poet and an actual artist and he thinks your politics are destroying the country. And y'know what, ass? He's right. You don't like what Springsteen may assault you with at a concert? Do go, you ass. Someone else would be happy to take your seat, ass. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Shut Up and Sing
Did you just link to yourself to support your thesis? On Oct 7, 2008, at 7:55 AM, justifiedright wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bruce sings about political issues, so why can he also talk about them? Actually he became the working class hero by not singing about politics. He sang about something else entirely: http://tinyurl.com/4fwpqj [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Wesley Lake Railings
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, arcman210 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: New topic... Asbury related. Wesley Lake railings. They're in. Hopefully they open the area for people to use. They put in similar railings (or maybe even the same exact kind) to the ones along the Hudson River in Jersey City and Hoboken, for those who are familiar with them. these kind: http://i.pbase.com/u8/hjsteed/large/37518959.041214027DowntownManhattanH udsonRiverPark.jpg Any opinions on these, since they're an Asbury Park issue? I personally think they're very nice, and much safer than the The Hudson River ones are very nice and do a lot to improve the aesthetic quality of the riverfront. They'll probably do the same for Wesley Lake. What is the pollution situation there these days? Weren't Asbury Park and Neptune supposed to enter into some mutual lake maintenance agreement? Did that ever happen? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Shut Up and Sing
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Baseball is not inherently about communicating ideas like music is, especially folk music. Bad analogy. So athletes cant have opinions too? You're saying only artists are the enlightened ones who have ideas? I don't need to know how to play a guitar to speak my mind. I don't play an instrument or an organized sport, so I'm not taking either side. But like musicians and celebrities, athletes have the spotlight too... they do talk shows and interviews, they can talk politics if they want, and some do... but most of the time they keep their mouth shut. The point is that I pay to go to a baseball game to see baseball, and I pay to go to a concert to hear music. If I want to pay to go see politics, I'll buy a ticket to a political rally. Springsteen (and EVERY other musician) absolutely has the right to say whatever he wants at his shows... they're his shows after all... but the fact that he chooses to think he knows it all and that everyone in the crowd agrees with him just isn't the right thing to do, in my opinion. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Shut Up and Sing
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bruce sings about political issues, so why can he also talk about them? Actually he became the working class hero by not singing about politics. He sang about something else entirely: http://tinyurl.com/4fwpqj Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Shut Up and Sing
JR, What about the song Bruce wrote, when the 3M plant in Freehold closed? What about the song from the movie, Philadelphia Story, about a gay man who contracts aids and fights to keep his job. Brings tears to my eyes, just thinking about the cruelty of the heart this film evokes. Bruce sings of all that is wrong and then sings of being Born In The USA, which evokes all the positive attributes of being born here! Guess that's okay huh, JR? So, he shouldn't care about what is happening, not only in NJ but the rest of the country? I prefer Bruce's happy songs! Everybody loves happy! He can also evoke emotions that ponder an answer. An answer that sometimes never comes! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But the fact remains, that this was an Obama political rally. I sincerely doubt that anybody in attendence thought shut up and sing for even a heartbeat. And since when did a few comments at a concert, a rally, or anywhere become ranting Bruce sings about political issues, so why can he also talk about them? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, arcman210 acme87rangers@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sandpiper15 sandpiper15@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, arcman210 acme87rangers@ wrote: I paid to go see him perform his music, not lecture me on how to vote. You can still wield the power of the purse, no? If you know going in that there's a good chance Bruce might spend a significant portion of the show talking politics, and you don't want to hear that, why buy the ticket? Imagine how many early Lenny Bruce fans stopped paying to see his gigs becuase he spent most of his later shows reading court transcripts instead of telling jokes. I still want to see him perform, and I'll go see the show regardless of whether or not he talks politics... and still enjoy most of it. But when he starts ranting about politics, I would have more respect for him as a person if he respected the fact that all people don't have the same opinions as he does. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Shut Up and Sing
As Edwin Starr sang, War, what is it good for, Absolutely NOTHING! I'm with you! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If he didn't talk politics, I'd have less respect for him. If he gave a Rah-rah! The Iraq War is Great! speech, you'd love it. On Oct 6, 2008, at 4:24 PM, arcman210 wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sandpiper15 sandpiper15@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, arcman210 acme87rangers@ wrote: I paid to go see him perform his music, not lecture me on how to vote. You can still wield the power of the purse, no? If you know going in that there's a good chance Bruce might spend a significant portion of the show talking politics, and you don't want to hear that, why buy the ticket? Imagine how many early Lenny Bruce fans stopped paying to see his gigs becuase he spent most of his later shows reading court transcripts instead of telling jokes. I still want to see him perform, and I'll go see the show regardless of whether or not he talks politics... and still enjoy most of it. But when he starts ranting about politics, I would have more respect for him as a person if he respected the fact that all people don't have the same opinions as he does. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Shut Up and Sing
athletes are making too much money to say anything. people keep their mouths shut for money. it should be obvious that a singer/songwriter like Springsteen is a little more of a thinker than say..i don't know can't name a sports person. nothing against physical achievement. he is expressing himself arcman, not assuming he knows everything or that anyone agrees with him. he is expressing his feelings, his heartbreak about his country. tommy, writing about the working class IS political. i would argue everything is political...not in the smarmy, manipulative, position juggling, ulterior motive use of the word...but in that how we live together, how we treat one another, care for one another, protect those who need care and punish those who trample the rights of others. everything is political essentially. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, arcman210 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So athletes cant have opinions too? You're saying only artists are the enlightened ones who have ideas? I don't need to know how to play a guitar to speak my mind. I don't play an instrument or an organized sport, so I'm not taking either side. But like musicians and celebrities, athletes have the spotlight too... they do talk shows and interviews, they can talk politics if they want, and some do... but most of the time they keep their mouth shut. The point is that I pay to go to a baseball game to see baseball, and I pay to go to a concert to hear music. If I want to pay to go see politics, I'll buy a ticket to a political rally. Springsteen (and EVERY other musician) absolutely has the right to say whatever he wants at his shows... they're his shows after all... but the fact that he chooses to think he knows it all and that everyone in the crowd agrees with him just isn't the right thing to do, in my opinion. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Pope agrees with Gabbi and Jack
Yeah, but GREED is good, as uttered in the film, Wall Street! !--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://tinyurl.com/4raz7n Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Shut Up and Sing
Baseball is not inherently about communicating ideas like music is, especially folk music. Bad analogy. On Oct 7, 2008, at 9:10 AM, arcman210 wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: no offense arcman but how much you respect him don't mean dick to him and that is the way it should be. if we are to live as free expressive beings, we don't monitor our behavior based on whether someone respects us or not. if he were a man who thought i better watch what i say or people wont like me and fork over the cash he would never be the extraordinary artist and citizen that he is. he would be a version of britney spears. I saw two of his concerts this past year, and would have gone again if I could have afforded to spend the money this summer... I love his music, that will never change. And no matter how many times he talks politics at his concerts, I will still like his music. I'm not going to say to myself well I wont go pay to see his shows because he talks about politics because thats stupid... my $100 doesnt make a difference to him. I pay to see his shows for his music... and as a fan of his music, I wish he would make his concert about that. He's one of the greatest musicians of all time, and a terrific artist. That being said, Alex Rodriguez is an amazing baseball and a tremendous athlete... but that doesn't mean I would go to a game to see him talk about his political views, no matter what they even are. I just wish musicians like Bruce would respect the fact that not everyone agrees on politics and his words really aren't educated or informative enough to make people agree with his views... their just rants. I think thats enough politics for me. Now I'm guilty of talking politics in this group when I spoke out for eliminating these conversations in favor of more AP related topics. Anybody have any information about what the heck is going on with the Convention Hall facade work? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Shut Up and Sing
Plus: It does seem you have a kind of microphone: A newspaper column and your incessant political posts here. On Oct 7, 2008, at 8:06 AM, justifiedright wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah. It's a real shame you have no talent or career. John why do you personalize things with other members of the group like the above? That doesn't help you convince people of anything. You can do better. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Shut Up and Sing
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: athletes are making too much money to say anything. people keep their mouths shut for money. it should be obvious that a singer/songwriter like Springsteen is a little more of a thinker than say..i don't know can't name a sports person. nothing against physical achievement. Athletes make as much money as famous musicians, celebrities, and the likes. They're all better off than any of us will ever be. So to take one's opinion higher than the other is just wrong. I don't listen to any of their political opinions. And I don't get my politics from Rolling Stone or ESPN or entertainment sources. Springsteen is an entertainer as much as he is an artist. Remember, his number one goal with his music is to sell albums... otherwise, he'd give them out for free. God knows he doesn't need the money. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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[AsburyPark] Re: On Asbury....
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My friend's brother came back from California yesterday. 57 and grew up on the BW... We met at MArket in Middle for an excellent lunch. Love the chick caesar. He got to talking about the BW What's the story about those shipping boxes on the boardwalk. Are they f'in crazy? Told him that they are supposed to be covered over so they don't really look as much as shipping containers. Are any of the container shops still open on the weekends? They are supposedly temporary, but are they coming down anytime soon? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Shut Up and Sing
with all the ass in this post i couldn't help think of Anthony De Mello. He was a Jesuit priest who wrote a book called Awareness: The Perils and Opportunities of Reality. Its basically about getting over ourselves and one of the greatest lines is I'm an ass your an ass. and well, its pretty true we are all asses on some level. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't put words in my mouth, you ass. Don't tell me what I'd hate or not hate. I've never said Shut Up and Sing about a single performer ever. I could care what any of those Right Wing performers think or say, mostly because they have too little talent to interest me. That information and expression silencing phrase is exclusively the domain of the Nazi-Right. You ignorant ass. Your problem is Springsteen is an American cultural icon, not just a Mega-star but a poet and an actual artist and he thinks your politics are destroying the country. And y'know what, ass? He's right. You don't like what Springsteen may assault you with at a concert? Do go, you ass. Someone else would be happy to take your seat, ass. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Shut Up and Sing
ARCMAN!...I dont; know what springsteens intentions are with music, no one does. you don't. you can't. to me, his willingness to express opinions says hes just living his life and expressing himself.. and better off than any of us will ever be i don't know that. and i don't live in that defeatist poor me world. i happen to really dig my life. they can buy more shit than me for sure, but really...ive known enough wealthy people to know its not all its cracked up to be. i am sooo freaking bored with the awe we place on monied people, its ludicrous and infantile. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, arcman210 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre gabrielleobre@ wrote: athletes are making too much money to say anything. people keep their mouths shut for money. it should be obvious that a singer/songwriter like Springsteen is a little more of a thinker than say..i don't know can't name a sports person. nothing against physical achievement. Athletes make as much money as famous musicians, celebrities, and the likes. They're all better off than any of us will ever be. So to take one's opinion higher than the other is just wrong. I don't listen to any of their political opinions. And I don't get my politics from Rolling Stone or ESPN or entertainment sources. Springsteen is an entertainer as much as he is an artist. Remember, his number one goal with his music is to sell albums... otherwise, he'd give them out for free. God knows he doesn't need the money. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Pope agrees with Gabbi and Jack
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sharon_b283 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, but GREED is good, as uttered in the film, Wall Street! Nothing wrong with being greedy as long as you share it. Greed vs successful vs driven. I try to do one real day a week of all I care about is work and money... Interesting listening and watching the bs hearings. With Lehamn yesterday and the sentaors or congress etc asking questions why the CEO of Lehman has the nerve to make $480 million since 2000. Meanwhile, where has the government been all along? Deregualtion and the free flow of money. The government NOW looking at how the world's markets (bankers, sharks etc) moved money second by second? Here's some things to look at see where people piss away money: 1. Lottery. 2. Casinos 3. Racetrack 4. Liquor 5. Cigarettes 6. Credit cards I know, if we close them down people will be out of work. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: On Asbury....
i never got the problem with the containers...it was a cheap and creative way to quickly put up income generating space and gave people an opportunity to have a small biz. you need to have cash coming in no? i doubt it stopped anyone from coming here. whoever complains about them needs to get over their sad ass selves. and i hope you are all as good looking as you want everything else to be. i hope they are here next summer. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, arcman210 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: My friend's brother came back from California yesterday. 57 and grew up on the BW... We met at MArket in Middle for an excellent lunch. Love the chick caesar. He got to talking about the BW What's the story about those shipping boxes on the boardwalk. Are they f'in crazy? Told him that they are supposed to be covered over so they don't really look as much as shipping containers. Are any of the container shops still open on the weekends? They are supposedly temporary, but are they coming down anytime soon? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Shut Up and Sing
Just easier than retyping my view here. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did you just link to yourself to support your thesis? On Oct 7, 2008, at 7:55 AM, justifiedright wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: Bruce sings about political issues, so why can he also talk about them? Actually he became the working class hero by not singing about politics. He sang about something else entirely: http://tinyurl.com/4fwpqj [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Shut Up and Sing
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Baseball is not inherently about communicating ideas like music is, especially folk music. Bad analogy. Therse is some cross over - like when A-Rod wasn't going to play for America in the World Baseball tourney. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: That Other Election
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sharon_b283 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, you don't know! In the 256 apartment dwelling I live in, many of the dyed in the wool Asbury Park residents have served either as council or some governing board, so your biased thinkig that renters or apartment dwellers don't have the interest of the City at heart, is erroneous! In this very building former Mayor Kramer lived on the 15th Floor with his Filipino Wife! Many police Officers still live here, Firemen and City workers. This building has every race, creed and color! This building is District 4, as far as voting and when District 4 votes, come in, the election gets decided, most of the time, although you could get on the council with less than 350 votes. The residents here are pretty savvy politically, how else would candidates want and need our votes. There are also a lot of retirees, such as myself, who aren't ready for Asbury Towers or Lumley Homes, thank you! There are residents here with Ph.D's, Masters degrees and other assorted credentials. I and the lady below me are Telephone Pioneers. She through NJ Bell and me through Bell Laboratories. Like most old people, I've now lost my train of thought. Sharon of course the renter are an important voting block, that's why I brought up that they may outnumber the homeowners (again I've heard the claim but can't confirm it). Now, you've been around AP a long time. You know Ray Kramer didn't actually live there - it was a unit he kept just so he could have an AP address and run for mayor. He lived in Spring Lake. I was at his house in Spring Lake. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: That Other Election
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sandpiper15 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay, well then you're talking shoe-leather. Hitting the bricks. Anyone on the west side could do that if they were so motivated, no? Knocking on doors of voters is the single most effective thing a candidate can do. Anytime you see a dark horse pull off an upset, they usually cite some huge number of doors they knocked on. It is usually a squeaker though if you don't do the rest. The rest would be coalitions and leaders. In every town there are influential people who control a lot of votes. Getting their endorsement (earlier the better) is very important. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Shut Up and Sing
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sharon_b283 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: JR, What about the song Bruce wrote, when the 3M plant in Freehold closed? What about the song from the movie, Philadelphia Story, about a gay man who contracts aids and fights to keep his job. Brings tears to my eyes, just thinking about the cruelty of the heart this film evokes. Bruce sings of all that is wrong and then sings of being Born In The USA, which evokes all the positive attributes of being born here! Guess that's okay huh, JR? So, he shouldn't care about what is happening, not only in NJ but the rest of the country? I prefer Bruce's happy songs! Everybody loves happy! He can also evoke emotions that ponder an answer. An answer that sometimes never comes! Sharon those songs you mention are further proof of my point in the column: Bruce writes about people in their now. No past, no future, just their now. He's great at it and should keep doing it. And Born in the USA is not a pro-USA song. Read the lyrics. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Shut Up and Sing
The idea of Shut Up was introduced by your side. It's OK for you guys to say it but no one else? Schwet. Must be nice. On Oct 7, 2008, at 9:17 AM, arcman210 wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You should just shut up. On Oct 6, 2008, at 3:30 PM, justifiedright wrote: I like how its okay for you to just tell people to shut up because you dont want to hear their political views that dont agree with yours... but its okay for you to say to me: That information and expression silencing phrase is exclusively the domain of the Nazi-Right. You ignorant ass. Who is the ignorant ass with a double standard again?? Why do you think its okay to tell him to shut up? Hes just expressing his views, just like Bruce does. Seems like you're the one who wishes the other side would be silenced. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: On Asbury....
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: all as good looking as you want everything else to be. i hope they are here next summer. They just need to be wrapped. To the untrained eye or an uncreative person - they look like shipping containers. The biz that opened in them were great as well. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Shut Up and Sing
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: tommy, writing about the working class IS political. i would argue everything is political...not in the smarmy, manipulative, position juggling, ulterior motive use of the word...but in that how we live together, how we treat one another, care for one another, protect those who need care and punish those who trample the rights of others. everything is political essentially. I disagree. It isn't political when you aren't looking back and assigning blame or looking forward and suggesting a future. A million other lesser songwriters do that crap. With a few exceptions (like Born to Run) Bruce sings about the people who aren't getting out - the people who will die where they were born, who won't be more than they are right now. Folks like that need Bruce - to be sure the world knows they are there. When Bruce gets into past and future stuff, he abandons them. There are plenty of others to get into the political. Bruce needs to stay were he is and give those people strength, not to get out, just to get through. Shut up and sing, Bruce. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: On Asbury....
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre gabrielleobre@ wrote: all as good looking as you want everything else to be. i hope they are here next summer. They just need to be wrapped. To the untrained eye or an uncreative person - they look like shipping containers. The biz that opened in them were great as well. 100% agree, OAK. I like the little stores in the containers, but 3 sides of them make the beachfront look like a construction zone and not a place to play. Just surround them with something decorative - plywood and paint even. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: On Asbury....
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i never got the problem with the containers...it was a cheap and creative way to quickly put up income generating space and gave people an opportunity to have a small biz. you need to have cash coming in no? i doubt it stopped anyone from coming here. whoever complains about them needs to get over their sad ass selves. and i hope you are all as good looking as you want everything else to be. i hope they are here next summer. I like them too... or I should say, I like the concept of using those spaces for small retail shops. The tenants that go there are perfect for them... but MM said they were temporary, so its interesting to see if they stick to their word. I just think they are a bit ugly, and if they are to be permanent, build an actual structure and make each one a bit different to give some diverse architecture to the boardwalk. Like oak said, there are concrete pads and electricity... those things are permanent. Also the fact that they built the mini-golf and water park around them. They should at least paint these and make them colorful. All I can say is that Ralph's better have a spot there next year. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: On Asbury....
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They just need to be wrapped. To the untrained eye or an uncreative person - they look like shipping containers. The biz that opened in them were great as well. 100% agree, OAK. I like the little stores in the containers, but 3 sides of them make the beachfront look like a construction zone and not a place to play. Just surround them with something decorative - plywood and paint even. I've considered sticking one in my backyard off on the corner vs. buying a shed or building one myself as a father son project. Cheap, quick easy and secure. Thought I'd stick some trees around them. I still might. Depends how it will wind up looking out my window every morning or night. If you wrap them and get even more creative - you have a billon dollar biz - like the pods dropped on people's front lawns. There's always a better way or better idea. (almost) That's how the economy is supposed to grow. Ok. time to go be greedy. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Shut Up and Sing
Baseball games are not inherently about ideas. On Oct 7, 2008, at 10:18 AM, arcman210 wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Baseball is not inherently about communicating ideas like music is, especially folk music. Bad analogy. So athletes cant have opinions too? You're saying only artists are the enlightened ones who have ideas? I don't need to know how to play a guitar to speak my mind. I don't play an instrument or an organized sport, so I'm not taking either side. But like musicians and celebrities, athletes have the spotlight too... they do talk shows and interviews, they can talk politics if they want, and some do... but most of the time they keep their mouth shut. The point is that I pay to go to a baseball game to see baseball, and I pay to go to a concert to hear music. If I want to pay to go see politics, I'll buy a ticket to a political rally. Springsteen (and EVERY other musician) absolutely has the right to say whatever he wants at his shows... they're his shows after all... but the fact that he chooses to think he knows it all and that everyone in the crowd agrees with him just isn't the right thing to do, in my opinion. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Shut Up and Sing
The song was in part a tribute to Springsteen's friends who had experienced the Vietnam War, some of whom did not come back; it also protests the hardships Vietnam veterans faced upon their return from the war. The song's narrative traces the protagonist's working-class origins, induction into the armed forces, and disaffected return back to the States. An anguished lyrical interlude is even more jolting, describing the fate of the protagonist's (literal or figurative) brother (in some recordings or live shows, the word brother is replaced with buddy): I had a brother at Khe Sanh Fighting off the Viet Cong They're still there, he's all gone He had a woman he loved in Saigon I got a picture of him in her arms now The Battle of Khe Sanh involved the North Vietnamese Army, not the National Front for the Liberation of South Vietnam heard in the song lyrics. Eventually the Americans prevailed and broke the siege, only to withdraw from the outpost a couple of months later. Khe Sanh thus became one of the media symbols of the futility of the whole war effort in the States. In late August 1984, the Born in the U.S.A. album was selling very well, its songs were all over the radio, and the associated tour was drawing considerable press. Springsteen shows at the Capital Centre outside of Washington, D.C. thus attracted even more media attention, in particular from CBS Evening News correspondent Bernard Goldberg, who saw Springsteen as a modern-day Horatio Alger story. Yet more notably, the widely-read conservative columnist George Will, after attending a show, published on September 13, 1984 a piece entitled A Yankee Doodle Springsteen in which he praised Springsteen as an exemplar of classic American values. He wrote: I have not got a clue about Springsteen's politics, if any, but flags get waved at his concerts while he sings songs about hard times. He is no whiner, and the recitation of closed factories and other problems always seems punctuated by a grand, cheerful affirmation: 'Born in the U.S.A.!' The 1984 presidential campaign was in full stride at the time, and Will had connections to President Ronald Reagan's re-election organization. Will thought that Springsteen might endorse Reagan, and got the notion pushed up to high-level Reagan advisor Michael Deaver's office. Those staffers made inquiries to Springsteen's management which were politely rebuffed. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Born_in_the_U.S.A._(song) Nevertheless, on September 19, 1984, at a campaign stop in Hammonton, New Jersey, Reagan added the following to his usual stump speech: America's future rests in a thousand dreams inside your hearts; it rests in the message of hope in songs so many young Americans admire: New Jersey's own Bruce Springsteen. And helping you make those dreams come true is what this job of mine is all about. The campaign press immediately expressed skepticism that Reagan knew anything about Springsteen, and asked what his favorite Springsteen song was; Born to Run was the tardy response from staffers. Johnny Carson then joked on The Tonight Show, If you believe that, I've got a couple of tickets to the Mondale-Ferraro inaugural ball I'd like to sell you. During a September 22 concert in Pittsburgh, Springsteen responded negatively by introducing his song Johnny 99, a song about an unemployed auto worker who turns to murder, The President was mentioning my name the other day, and I kinda got to wondering what his favorite album musta been. I don't think it was the Nebraska album. I don't think he's been listening to this one. A few days after that, presidential challenger Walter Mondale said, Bruce Springsteen may have been born to run but he wasn't born yesterday, and then claimed to have been endorsed by Springsteen. Springsteen manager Jon Landau denied any such endorsement, and the Mondale campaign issued a correction. On Oct 7, 2008, at 10:34 AM, sharon_b283 wrote: JR, What about the song Bruce wrote, when the 3M plant in Freehold closed? What about the song from the movie, Philadelphia Story, about a gay man who contracts aids and fights to keep his job. Brings tears to my eyes, just thinking about the cruelty of the heart this film evokes. Bruce sings of all that is wrong and then sings of being Born In The USA, which evokes all the positive attributes of being born here! Guess that's okay huh, JR? So, he shouldn't care about what is happening, not only in NJ but the rest of the country? I prefer Bruce's happy songs! Everybody loves happy! He can also evoke emotions that ponder an answer. An answer that sometimes never comes! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But the fact remains, that this was an Obama political rally. I sincerely doubt that anybody in attendence thought shut up and sing for even a heartbeat. And since when did a few comments at a
[AsburyPark] Re: Shut Up and Sing
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Baseball games are not inherently about ideas. The idea is to win, not how you play the game. For fans, it's about how much you can drink, curse, scream and toss beer at each other at $8.00 - even in front of a normal guy and his kid. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: On Asbury....
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i never got the problem with the containers...it was a cheap and creative way to quickly put up income generating space and gave people an opportunity to have a small biz. you need to have cash coming in no? i doubt it stopped anyone from coming here. whoever complains about them needs to get over their sad ass selves. and i hope you are all as good looking as you want everything else to be. i hope they are here next summer. You raise good points about generating income, but I don't think that everyone who has a problem with the containers could fairly be described as sad assed. Impressions matter and shipping containers can't help but have a temporary, and thus incomplete, quality about them. They bear a striking resemblance to those trailers you see in the parking lots of schools that can't afford to expand to accommodate their bigger student populations. There is a doing the best we can quality that people associate with those trailers and some people might also associate that with the boardwalk containers. Now, after years of the boardwalk being a ghost town, yes, obviously anything that generates revenue is a step up. And you have a legitimate opinion about creativity and providing opportunities for small biz owners. But some people might look at the oceanfronts of the other towns nearby and legitimately ask, Why does Asbury Park's boardwalk have to be the one that looks like a permanent construction site? This doesn't make them sad assed. It just means they want the town they love to strive for what they see as the best rather than settling for doing the best we can. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: beach cam
It's back! Thanks Tom. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dapawprint [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dead again... worked yesterday morning... doesn't today. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, denise denisemchd@ wrote: Down and out again Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: On Asbury....
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sandpiper15 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was on the AC boardwalk for the better part of the weekend. There's quite a bit of it that I thought sucked for a boardwalk. Very limted outdoor options - sitting, eating etc. Casinos most missing exterior retail along the bw. I could a thousand things I didn't like about the AC boards. An they have plenty of undeveloped land and a few failed projects that never got a hole in the ground. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Stand Up and Sing
On Saturday, Bruce Springsteen kicked off three days of Vote For Change concerts on behalf of Barack Obama with a powerful acoustic set that drew estimated 50,000 to the Ben Franklin Parkway in Philadelphia. Cutting a distinctly Woody Guthriesque profile in rolled up flannel, denim and tousled hair, Springsteen stood atop a 30 foot high stage emblazoned with the word “CHANGE” and belted out a seven-song, 45 minute acoustic set as a gift for Obama volunteers and a catalyst for the disengaged to register to vote. Plenty of people heard the call — according to the Obama campaign, some 21,000 new voters were registered as a result of the event. http://tinyurl.com/4mg546 “I’m not Barack Obama, but I’ll do my best,” said Springsteen, before wheezing his harmonica like an angry freight train launching into a tense, jingle-jangle reading of “The Promised Land,” his 1978 affirmation of faith in the ideal American in a time of dwindling opportunity and diminished expectations. Four songs later — including a like-minded “The Ghost Of Tom Joad,” the obligatory “Thunder Road” and the rarely-heard “Does This Bus Stop At 82nd Street?” — Bruce spoke humbly about why he believes in Barack Obama. “I’ve spent most of my creative life measuring the distance between that American promise and American reality. The distance between that promise and that reality has never been greater or more painful. I believe Senator Obama has taken the measure of that distance in his own life and in his work. I believe as president, he would work to restore that promise to so many of our fellow citizens who have justifiably lost faith in its meaning.” After a mournful rendition of Woody Guthrie’s “This Land Is Your Land,” Springsteen sent the people back out onto the streets with marching orders to take their country back from “those who who would sell it down the river for a quick buck.” Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Wesley Lake Railings
I saw the railings a few days ago. I took some pictures to post on here, but never got around to posting them. Maybe I'll do that later today. They look good in my opinion. I don't think that area near the lake is ready to be opened just because the railings are up. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: That Other Election
Sandpiper, Asbury is run under the Faulkner Act, which I can never keep up with to make sense, but I'm sure one of our learned posters will aid and abet me! I'm too lazy to Google it. All I know is, the residents don't vote like they should! 17-18 thousand people here and the best you can get is about 3000 votes, if that! I hear a lot of whining, (present company included), about what's wrong here, but I don't fight anymore; too tired! Hey, I'd be happy if they'd just install a camera in Library Park! I Bit*h about Black people, how unfair life is, yada, yada, etc., but I feel that I can't change anything, trust me, I've tried! I'm in my 60's and tired of beating a dead horse! I still dream a world, treat people fairly and am trying to leave everyone alone; except here, of course! Wish the East Indians in the Post Office spoke clear English, etc. You apparently don't live here, but love the City. We all do in our own teeny way. Hey, if you can do something to enhance life here, state it! Yo JR: You apparently know something I don't about Kramer! Only going on what I heard, man! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sandpiper15 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sharon_b283 sharon_b283@ wrote: No, you don't know! In the 256 apartment dwelling I live in, many of the dyed in the wool Asbury Park residents have served either as council or some governing board, so your biased thinkig that renters or apartment dwellers don't have the interest of the City at heart, is erroneous! In this very building former Mayor Kramer lived on the 15th Floor with his Filipino Wife! Many police Officers still live here, Firemen and City workers. That's why I made sure to write this is all very unscientific, but might it be that property owners tend to be more compelled toward public service? I emphasize tend there. I'm sure there are plenty of apartment dwellers working for the city. I was hoping someone would fill in the factual blanks to my speculation and you did, so thank you for that. So what do you think is the best way to make sure all residents are equally represented in city government? Could a ward system work? Something else? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: That Other Election
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sharon_b283 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you can get is about 3000 votes, if that! I believe it was just over 1900 voted in the last City Council election. Yo JR: You apparently know something I don't about Kramer! Only going on what I heard, man! Ray was a wealthy restaurantuer (that's got to be spelled wrong). He had a big house near the Ocean in Spring Lake where he, his wife and kids were when I saw them. I remember delivering packages to the house when I used to do deliveries. The Monroe Towers address was real, he did rent the place, but does anyone believe that was his residence when he had a big house in Spring Lake where his familiy was? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: On Asbury....
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He got to talking about the BW What's the story about those shipping boxes on the boardwalk. Are they f'in crazy? Asked and answered... Redundant question. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: APPress Reports 5 Arrested Reputed Gang Members
Sharon - I'm glad somebody read that report. I'm happy for Mark Kinmon and the others, but 17, at least, gang affiliated thugs in the local area doesn't make me feel warm and fuzzy. And it's important to know that it wasn't just 5 reputed to be gang members. I don't know what the difference is between a member and an associate, but I bet the distinction wouldn't mean much to someone thinking of buying here. I'm glad Milgram came to show support and I think Valentin is doing a much better job than his predecessor. Get your point about the black faces. That's why so many people don't realize they harbor racist notions. The subliminal messages are everywhere. Racism is the norm. Let's get a look at some of the buyers. Aren't they equally as guilty? Maybe I'll list those names when I get a minute to type them in. Thanks again for checking the report, Shar, Maureen --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sharon_b283 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maureen, I got confused also, when viewing the pictures, reading the article, then assessing: What's wrong with this report? First of all, the article tied gang activity in with drug running or so confusing, that I coudn't surmise what they were trying to get across to me, the reader! I only saw about 15 photos, a mixing up of what was what and thinking that if I dodn't know better, it's the kind of propaganda that gets law athourities promoted! Do a roundup, calla press conference, call it gangs/drugs/criminal/, show only the Black faces which appeal to your right winged law and order types, still doesn't address the real issue, how drugs make it into urban communities. These street agents will be replaced with others and still doesn't address REAL issues! All this does is paint a racial sterotype to drugs, drug running, gangs, but still doesn't address the root issue of the problem, itself! I didn't buy it. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, radio881gal restore881FM@ wrote: For those of you who have read my report on the major drug bust announced yesterday by State Attorney General Anne Milgram and County Prosecutor Luis Valentin, on AsburyRadio.com, you may be confused about the number arrested with gang affiliations versus the number of reputed gang members as reported on the Asbury Park Press web site today. It took me three calls to the prosecutor's office today, but I got an answer - and I listened to the Mp3s again. First the Mp3s: Attorney General Milgram, who spoke first, said Twenty-two of the individuals arrested today have gang affiliations. Prosecutor Valentin, referred to approximately 20 gang members and a significant number of fugitives, among the 50 arrested. As for checking with the source, the Prosecutor's Office: We've been told to rely on the press release, which identifies five of those arrested as members of mainly the Bloods street gang, and an additional 12 individually identified as an associate of a gang (s). The source we spoke with referred us to the internet for the distinction between the two. For now, we are satisfied to say that there were a total of 17 individuals, among the 50 arrested, with street gang affiliations. Of course that would imply that both the attorney general and the county prosecutor misspoke. This is vitally important to our community. Thanks for reading my report. Maureen Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: On Asbury....
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i never got the problem with the containers...it was a cheap and creative way to quickly put up income generating space and gave people an opportunity to have a small biz. you need to have cash coming in no? i doubt it stopped anyone from coming here. whoever complains about them needs to get over their sad ass selves. and i hope you are all as good looking as you want everything else to be. i hope they are here next summer. == They are on property not owned by APartners or MM. They pay no property tax on the land or structures. They diverted $$$ from improving tax paying pavilions. The City needs Tax revenue. The City (public, public property) is being abused. They are visually intrusive in a Historic District. Unfortunate that you think such concerns are 'sad assed'. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: APPress Reports 5 Arrested Reputed Gang Members
I'm not a racist by any stretch. Is it possible the pictures were of black faces because those were the people arrested? sometimes what you see is actually what you see. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, radio881gal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sharon - I'm glad somebody read that report. I'm happy for Mark Kinmon and the others, but 17, at least, gang affiliated thugs in the local area doesn't make me feel warm and fuzzy. And it's important to know that it wasn't just 5 reputed to be gang members. I don't know what the difference is between a member and an associate, but I bet the distinction wouldn't mean much to someone thinking of buying here. I'm glad Milgram came to show support and I think Valentin is doing a much better job than his predecessor. Get your point about the black faces. That's why so many people don't realize they harbor racist notions. The subliminal messages are everywhere. Racism is the norm. Let's get a look at some of the buyers. Aren't they equally as guilty? Maybe I'll list those names when I get a minute to type them in. Thanks again for checking the report, Shar, Maureen --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sharon_b283 sharon_b283@ wrote: Maureen, I got confused also, when viewing the pictures, reading the article, then assessing: What's wrong with this report? First of all, the article tied gang activity in with drug running or so confusing, that I coudn't surmise what they were trying to get across to me, the reader! I only saw about 15 photos, a mixing up of what was what and thinking that if I dodn't know better, it's the kind of propaganda that gets law athourities promoted! Do a roundup, calla press conference, call it gangs/drugs/criminal/, show only the Black faces which appeal to your right winged law and order types, still doesn't address the real issue, how drugs make it into urban communities. These street agents will be replaced with others and still doesn't address REAL issues! All this does is paint a racial sterotype to drugs, drug running, gangs, but still doesn't address the root issue of the problem, itself! I didn't buy it. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, radio881gal restore881FM@ wrote: For those of you who have read my report on the major drug bust announced yesterday by State Attorney General Anne Milgram and County Prosecutor Luis Valentin, on AsburyRadio.com, you may be confused about the number arrested with gang affiliations versus the number of reputed gang members as reported on the Asbury Park Press web site today. It took me three calls to the prosecutor's office today, but I got an answer - and I listened to the Mp3s again. First the Mp3s: Attorney General Milgram, who spoke first, said Twenty-two of the individuals arrested today have gang affiliations. Prosecutor Valentin, referred to approximately 20 gang members and a significant number of fugitives, among the 50 arrested. As for checking with the source, the Prosecutor's Office: We've been told to rely on the press release, which identifies five of those arrested as members of mainly the Bloods street gang, and an additional 12 individually identified as an associate of a gang (s). The source we spoke with referred us to the internet for the distinction between the two. For now, we are satisfied to say that there were a total of 17 individuals, among the 50 arrested, with street gang affiliations. Of course that would imply that both the attorney general and the county prosecutor misspoke. This is vitally important to our community. Thanks for reading my report. Maureen Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: On Asbury....
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sandpiper15 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... Now, after years of the boardwalk being a ghost town, yes, obviously anything that generates revenue is a step up. ... Two false assumptions... - that revenue is going to the City. - 'anything...is a step up' Redevelopment is intended to benefit the community, not enable a developer to generate revenue in what ever cheap/shoddy way possible. The $$$ spent on the containers would have been better put to use getting the pavilions finished, open, and paying taxes. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: APPress Reports 5 Arrested Reputed Gang Members
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dsher4 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not a racist by any stretch. Is it possible the pictures were of black faces because those were the people arrested? sometimes what you see is actually what you see. I agree I don't get the racial aspect here. Asbury's two biggest gangs are Bloods and Latin Kings. Are white guys even allowed to join them? I bet if 15 gang members were arrested in Keansburg they would all be white. I really don't see racial aspect here. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] How to Respond to A Heckler
Ooo, SaraCuda! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvGI2pTDcvw Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: On Asbury....
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre gabrielleobre@ wrote: i never got the problem with the containers...it was a cheap and creative way to quickly put up income generating space and gave people an opportunity to have a small biz. you need to have cash coming in no? i doubt it stopped anyone from coming here. whoever complains about them needs to get over their sad ass selves. and i hope you are all as good looking as you want everything else to be. i hope they are here next summer. == They are on property not owned by APartners or MM. They pay no property tax on the land or structures. They diverted $$$ from improving tax paying pavilions. The City needs Tax revenue. The City (public, public property) is being abused. They are visually intrusive in a Historic District. Unfortunate that you think such concerns are 'sad assed'. Werner I don't agree that the property is being abused. Its better than an empty lot, which by the way, there are four empty green spaces... I would bet its safe to say the ones that aren't being used are much less crowded and underutilized than the mini-golf. Who owns the mini golf and soon to be waterpark? Because MM is paying to construct them... kind of confusing. Also the Asbury Park boardwalk, while historic, is nowhere near a historic district. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cape_May_Historic_District THAT is a historic district... 600 buildings. A handful of buildings that are historic over a mile of oceanfront land is not a historic district. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: How to Respond to A Heckler
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ooo, SaraCuda! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvGI2pTDcvw So what? just like the idiots outside FT Monmouth with signs Hink if you support the troops. Who doesn't support our troops? Supporting the troops and supporting the war are two different things. I support the troops by wanting to bring them home and not risking their lives in the first place lightly. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: On Asbury....
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, arcman210 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also the Asbury Park boardwalk, while historic, is nowhere near a historic district. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cape_May_Historic_District Don't rely totally on Wikipedia. Most colleges and U's with good prof want people to go out and do real research. A bunch of land can be a historic district. And in some way, that land is abused. Green open spaces is ok. Werner may not agree with it, buta mini-g and waterpark are borderline ok. Now here's a brief history of the green spaces on the boardwalk in Asbury. They all had someting on it - rides, mini-g etc. They were all LEASED OUT by the city, in competitive (funny word) bidding (sealed bids). Today, unless there is some compensation we don't know about, the city gets ZERO for use of the green spaces which generate income for the owners and they collect rent. Would you let me move in your house and not pay rent AND feed me? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: How to Respond to A Heckler
Honk. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Ooo, SaraCuda! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvGI2pTDcvw So what? just like the idiots outside FT Monmouth with signs Hink if you support the troops. Who doesn't support our troops? Supporting the troops and supporting the war are two different things. I support the troops by wanting to bring them home and not risking their lives in the first place lightly. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: On Asbury....
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, arcman210 acme87rangers@ wrote: Also the Asbury Park boardwalk, while historic, is nowhere near a historic district. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cape_May_Historic_District Don't rely totally on Wikipedia. Most colleges and U's with good prof want people to go out and do real research. A bunch of land can be a historic district. It's hard to argue that the buildings don't belong, when the nature of the historic district he speaks of has no relevance on dictating what type of buildings are built in it. Convention Hall and the 5th Avenue Pavilion are two completely different types of architecture. They were built 35 years apart from one another... the shipping containers don't take away from one particular type of historic architecture... they add to the eclectic mix. If they were put in the center of Cape May, then I could see the argument. But there are all types of buildings from many different eras throughout Asbury... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: On Asbury....
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They were all LEASED OUT by the city, in competitive (funny word) bidding (sealed bids). Today, unless there is some compensation we don't know about, the city gets ZERO for use of the green spaces which generate income for the owners and they collect rent. And before it goes but look how nice it is... That's what you do when you want to generate income and attempt to attract business. You make an investment, a gamble. In a depressed commercial space, the owner may waive rent for a period one. two or three months or reduce it for tenant build out, then you start paying rent and whatever else the landlord wants in exchange for use of their property. In a hot area, like maybe a hot nyc corner, the owner might say tough shit- this is what it is, you want, you start paying rent today or I'll give it to the next guy. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: On Asbury....
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, arcman210 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: built 35 years apart from one another... the shipping containers don't take away from one particular type of historic architecture... they add to the eclectic mix. If they were put in the center of Cape May, then I could see the argument. But there are all types of buildings from many different eras throughout Asbury... I might sound like werner here. The containers are not buildings. They are shipping containers, modified. I would guess it has to do with their temporary status granted to them being placed on Green Acres which in itself probably has some rules and regs that should be read along with Cafra regs. The concrete pads probably violate it. Why Cape May. Think beyond Save gas and go to Ocean Grove. nicer. Nicer boardwalk and it's right next door to AP. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] One last thought...
A couple months ago, I had to buy a couple garbage cans ... Went to the HD and youhad about 4 choices. The cheaper rubber maid ones where the lids get out of shape (square) or the squirrels eventually chew through (round) or the larger ones heavier plastic with the lids nice hinge, but more $. The last choice were the metal ones. 1. I knew no one in my house would drag them out to the street since there were no wheels 2. I didn't want to look at ugly metal garbage cans in front of my house. But I did think of repainting them really odd colors. There you go. A business. Go buy a bunch of metal garbage cans and spray them all kinds of cool colors. Market them as as green as they may be made from recycled stuff and can always be recycled again. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: One last thought...
There you go. A business. Go buy a bunch of metal garbage cans and spray them all kinds of cool colors. Market them as as green as they may be made from recycled stuff and can always be recycled again. My neighbor bought metal trash cans thinking they would last forever. They lasted three weeks. The trash collectors have a habit of banging the cans against the truck in an effort to 'unpack' the contents. Plastic cans retain their shapre while the metal cans do not. These failed along the seams. I've got two plastic sears trash cans from 1963. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Obama/Biden Yard Signs
I have a limited supply of Obama/Biden Yard Signs .. At last! If you would like one please email @ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please DO NOT hit the reply button, reply privately Thanks Michael Michael W. Brim, Municipal Chairman Asbury Park Democratic Executive Committee 321 Sunset Avenue, Unit 5F Asbury Park NJ 07712-5550 Cell: 732-996-8160 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: On Asbury....
your right, i shouldn't have said sad assed. i just truly get exhausted with the complaints. i can't judge anyone for slow progress, and all i have seen on the superficial level is progress. what many seem to gripe about is the superficial level. excluding you Werner. i assumed it was all an AP Partners/MM menage. if the city does own it and isn't gaining any revenue its beat. and the leadership is failing. but who the hell knows what deals have been made. i feel like there is lots of speculation here without hard facts. so its pointless to debate what is happening. asbury IS in the middle of change. i just don't get all the impatience and i KNOW people are enjoying it here and spending money. i am. i hope you all are. a wand cannot be waved and asbury will be glistening. and with the economy the way it is (sp down another 5% today) patience will behoove you. they don't look that bad. they did business. i saw a couple dancing on the boardwalk at the cuban place.. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Shut Up and Sing
Thank you for clearing up, what I was trying to say. Yes, flags are waved when he sings of something so American, that in spite of it, (the war), we'll still wave it, not because the government was right; they weren't with Viet Nam or these 2 wars in Iraq and Afghanistan! In my opinion, it's what makes us all Americans and patriots! To protest, is patriotic, because you are expressing yourself and making a personal statement, that you don't have to walk in lockstep, to be a patriot, a word so confusing now. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The song was in part a tribute to Springsteen's friends who had experienced the Vietnam War, some of whom did not come back; it also protests the hardships Vietnam veterans faced upon their return from the war. The song's narrative traces the protagonist's working-class origins, induction into the armed forces, and disaffected return back to the States. An anguished lyrical interlude is even more jolting, describing the fate of the protagonist's (literal or figurative) brother (in some recordings or live shows, the word brother is replaced with buddy): I had a brother at Khe Sanh Fighting off the Viet Cong They're still there, he's all gone He had a woman he loved in Saigon I got a picture of him in her arms now The Battle of Khe Sanh involved the North Vietnamese Army, not the National Front for the Liberation of South Vietnam heard in the song lyrics. Eventually the Americans prevailed and broke the siege, only to withdraw from the outpost a couple of months later. Khe Sanh thus became one of the media symbols of the futility of the whole war effort in the States. In late August 1984, the Born in the U.S.A. album was selling very well, its songs were all over the radio, and the associated tour was drawing considerable press. Springsteen shows at the Capital Centre outside of Washington, D.C. thus attracted even more media attention, in particular from CBS Evening News correspondent Bernard Goldberg, who saw Springsteen as a modern-day Horatio Alger story. Yet more notably, the widely-read conservative columnist George Will, after attending a show, published on September 13, 1984 a piece entitled A Yankee Doodle Springsteen in which he praised Springsteen as an exemplar of classic American values. He wrote: I have not got a clue about Springsteen's politics, if any, but flags get waved at his concerts while he sings songs about hard times. He is no whiner, and the recitation of closed factories and other problems always seems punctuated by a grand, cheerful affirmation: 'Born in the U.S.A.!' The 1984 presidential campaign was in full stride at the time, and Will had connections to President Ronald Reagan's re-election organization. Will thought that Springsteen might endorse Reagan, and got the notion pushed up to high-level Reagan advisor Michael Deaver's office. Those staffers made inquiries to Springsteen's management which were politely rebuffed. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Born_in_the_U.S.A._(song) Nevertheless, on September 19, 1984, at a campaign stop in Hammonton, New Jersey, Reagan added the following to his usual stump speech: America's future rests in a thousand dreams inside your hearts; it rests in the message of hope in songs so many young Americans admire: New Jersey's own Bruce Springsteen. And helping you make those dreams come true is what this job of mine is all about. The campaign press immediately expressed skepticism that Reagan knew anything about Springsteen, and asked what his favorite Springsteen song was; Born to Run was the tardy response from staffers. Johnny Carson then joked on The Tonight Show, If you believe that, I've got a couple of tickets to the Mondale-Ferraro inaugural ball I'd like to sell you. During a September 22 concert in Pittsburgh, Springsteen responded negatively by introducing his song Johnny 99, a song about an unemployed auto worker who turns to murder, The President was mentioning my name the other day, and I kinda got to wondering what his favorite album musta been. I don't think it was the Nebraska album. I don't think he's been listening to this one. A few days after that, presidential challenger Walter Mondale said, Bruce Springsteen may have been born to run but he wasn't born yesterday, and then claimed to have been endorsed by Springsteen. Springsteen manager Jon Landau denied any such endorsement, and the Mondale campaign issued a correction. On Oct 7, 2008, at 10:34 AM, sharon_b283 wrote: JR, What about the song Bruce wrote, when the 3M plant in Freehold closed? What about the song from the movie, Philadelphia Story, about a gay man who contracts aids and fights to keep his job. Brings tears to my eyes, just thinking about the cruelty of the heart this film
[AsburyPark] Re: That Other Election
I resided in Neptune, when all of this was going on and didn't care what happened here, as they were Neptune's cross-town rivals. My kids were scholar-athletes and I was running a tight ship at home. Maybe my Catholic upbringing had a lot to do with how well my kids did, but to this day, as short as I am, none of my kids have ever disrespected me, the way I see kids are doing today. I thought Kramer was a dirty old man, because his second wife, had not too long graduated from Neptune, herself! He had grown kids, when he married this girl. I knew her and her family, because she had younger siblings, who grew up with my kids. He was always in the newspapers, flamboyant and showy! There were always scandals in Asbury and the folks in Neptune thought that the politics here was shady! Not my words, because all I ever heard was bad things about Asbury. When Jannerone was the schools superintendant, there was a big hullaballoo over the golden parachute he received when he retired. It was in the high 90 thousands! Unheard of in the 80's! The kids in Asbury needed remedial classes in college for the bad education, then, (mid-80's). I believe Mr. Mann replaced him? Correct me, if I'm wrong. I just passed my 38th year, here in Monmouth County. Not much I don't remember. Even the rumors. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sharon_b283 sharon_b283@ wrote: you can get is about 3000 votes, if that! I believe it was just over 1900 voted in the last City Council election. Yo JR: You apparently know something I don't about Kramer! Only going on what I heard, man! Ray was a wealthy restaurantuer (that's got to be spelled wrong). He had a big house near the Ocean in Spring Lake where he, his wife and kids were when I saw them. I remember delivering packages to the house when I used to do deliveries. The Monroe Towers address was real, he did rent the place, but does anyone believe that was his residence when he had a big house in Spring Lake where his familiy was? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: APPress Reports 5 Arrested Reputed Gang Members
You're Welcome! There will be other arrests Maureen. I'm sure of it. It's a vicious cycle that I've seen over and over and not just in this area. Lakewood and Long Branch come to mind. Urban areas where drugs are prolific, unchecked and leads to violence. I never hear of a bust in Deal or Spring Lake but the drugs are as much there as here. In New York, one only has to stroll down Wall St. to get a fix! That's where the drugs are! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, radio881gal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sharon - I'm glad somebody read that report. I'm happy for Mark Kinmon and the others, but 17, at least, gang affiliated thugs in the local area doesn't make me feel warm and fuzzy. And it's important to know that it wasn't just 5 reputed to be gang members. I don't know what the difference is between a member and an associate, but I bet the distinction wouldn't mean much to someone thinking of buying here. I'm glad Milgram came to show support and I think Valentin is doing a much better job than his predecessor. Get your point about the black faces. That's why so many people don't realize they harbor racist notions. The subliminal messages are everywhere. Racism is the norm. Let's get a look at some of the buyers. Aren't they equally as guilty? Maybe I'll list those names when I get a minute to type them in. Thanks again for checking the report, Shar, Maureen Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] How to Respond to A Heckler
The soldiers in Iraq are NOT fighting for our freedoms. Who knows, at this point, WHAT they're fighting for. We didn't get the oil. There's no democracy. Our freedoms were never the point. Of the 7,000 reasons the Bushies made up, week after week. Besides, our freedoms do not emanate from military efforts or from the Pentagon. Our constitution is not under attack in Iraq. Speaking of Palin's Nazi Rallies and her Nazi-ettes. This lame comeback is hardly the top story about her today. This is: http://www.care2.com/news/member/434996229/902414 On Oct 7, 2008, at 2:34 PM, justifiedright wrote: Ooo, SaraCuda! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvGI2pTDcvw [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Free Defensive Driving Course offered by State Farm in AP
Please share with anyone who may be interested Our company would like to invite all the members of the community to a FREE defensive driving course sponsored by Mansa Nicome's State Farm Agency in Neptune City. We currently have a course scheduled for October 25th and November 1st at the VFW on Lake Avenue in Asbury Park. Mansa is a certified defensive driving instructor and would like to offer his services to any community group such as the recreation department, senior center, church group, etc. If supplied with a room to hold the course, he will teach the class and provide all materials need to do so free of charge. Eligible persons will receive a minimum 5% insurance discount and/or a 2-point New Jersey Division of Motor Vehicles reduction. All materials presented by NJ Safety Program. Mansa is a certified instructor from New Jersey Safety Program. Please feel free to distribute the attached flyer to all. We hope to see you there. If you have a group that would like to take the course, please call me to arrange a time and place. Kindest Regards, Christine Kempczynski Office Manager Mansa Nicome Agency/State Farm Insurance Providing Insurance Financial Services 86 State Highway 35 Neptune City, NJ 07753 (732) 776- office (732) 776-9909 fax [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] FHA Help for Homeowners loan
The government has a new loan for homeowners facing foreclosure. Please share this with anyone you think may benefit http://tinyurl.com/47smlj It's not perfect, but it is something that might help. Jennifer Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: On Asbury....
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, arcman210 acme87rangers@ wrote: Also the Asbury Park boardwalk, while historic, is nowhere near a historic district. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cape_May_Historic_District Don't rely totally on Wikipedia. Most colleges and U's with good prof want people to go out and do real research. A bunch of land can be a historic district. And in some way, that land is abused. Green open spaces is ok. Werner may not agree with it, buta mini-g and waterpark are borderline ok. Now here's a brief history of the green spaces on the boardwalk in Asbury. They all had someting on it - rides, mini-g etc. They were all LEASED OUT by the city, in competitive (funny word) bidding (sealed bids). Today, unless there is some compensation we don't know about, the city gets ZERO for use of the green spaces which generate income for the owners and they collect rent. Would you let me move in your house and not pay rent AND feed me? --- for a period I would let you live rent free (me/city) IF you are willing to invest very large sums of money into my house, home security and property (you/MM) looks like a win win if the city and developers can execute the next stages and if we can avoid great depression 2. glad to see some AP threads back. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: One last thought...
this was a @#$%$ funny post. maybe more so because our new round g-cans had their lids chewed by squirrels within 3 days of their purchase. but no marketing anything as green if its not. that is more sleazy than this post is funny. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A couple months ago, I had to buy a couple garbage cans ... Went to the HD and youhad about 4 choices. The cheaper rubber maid ones where the lids get out of shape (square) or the squirrels eventually chew through (round) or the larger ones heavier plastic with the lids nice hinge, but more $. The last choice were the metal ones. 1. I knew no one in my house would drag them out to the street since there were no wheels 2. I didn't want to look at ugly metal garbage cans in front of my house. But I did think of repainting them really odd colors. There you go. A business. Go buy a bunch of metal garbage cans and spray them all kinds of cool colors. Market them as as green as they may be made from recycled stuff and can always be recycled again. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: On Asbury....
good questions. who DOES run ap? part of me doesn't care. part of me does. but i DO care about who is bad mouthing CH. Sharon you go in there and tell me you think its sorry. there is nothing sorry about the place. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sharon_b283 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which raises the point, one MO time; Who runs Asbury Park? I know that the Council has their regularly scheduled meetings, 1st and 3rd Wednesdays, they do great parades, sponsor great events, are great people individually, but what was signed away or taken over with or without their permission? Did MM buy the boardwalk and beach, too? Every time I read here that Convention Hall looks sorry inside it's doors, I think, Where are the City Officials and When is anyone going to complain about it, where it matters? Could someone tell me where to complain, officially? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernerapnj@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre gabrielleobre@ wrote: i never got the problem with the containers...it was a cheap and creative way to quickly put up income generating space and gave people an opportunity to have a small biz. you need to have cash coming in no? i doubt it stopped anyone from coming here. whoever complains about them needs to get over their sad ass selves. and i hope you are all as good looking as you want everything else to be. i hope they are here next summer. == They are on property not owned by APartners or MM. They pay no property tax on the land or structures. They diverted $$$ from improving tax paying pavilions. The City needs Tax revenue. The City (public, public property) is being abused. They are visually intrusive in a Historic District. Unfortunate that you think such concerns are 'sad assed'. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
