[AsburyPark] Re: So how about those beachfront lights?
Werner, I appreciate your concern for the lighting issue. I know its an extremely important one. And another area where Asbury will be mediocre at best. (as with pedestrian/bike friendliness, sprinklers to water grass in a world with water wars, zero green buildings etc). The leadership is uninspired, unenlightened and despite Dan Jacobson's infatuation, completely un-progressive. (unless you are a superficial gay man consumed only with your own rights screw the rest). I am exaggerating a little, but despite its gayness, AP is standard monied manville. But within the realm of mediocre NJ, AP isn't all that bad. What bothers me more than that though (It IS only a ride)...is that a man who so deeply cares about his city and is so intelligent about these issues has been rendered powerless. Definately by a bit of injustice from the hands of little men, but not without his own participation. My first introduction to you was at a one of my first city council meetings. The whole experience was entertainment for me (they aren't entertaining anymore, like a dumb sitcom you get enough of after a couple of episodes). I think you were one of the first public commenters. I was facing the dais, watching the blank, uninterested faces of complacent power players, giggling inside at the absurdity and a man gets to the mike. I am guessing you stated your name and address like we are supposed to, but all I remember is... 'm, BCCK My love for Asbury immediatley inched up a little higher. (it was sagging in that light and with that view). You're a pain in the ass Werner, in the best possible way. Unfortunatley, when you are a pain in the ass to the power structure of little men, you have to have your shit together, more than they do, which is possible. Get your shit together Werner. We need you. Please let me know if I can help in some way. Gabrielle --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If anyone wants to have a serious productive discussion on the subject, please review the following for background. http://www.darkskysociety.org/ http://www.darksky.org/ http://www.starrynightlights.com/lpIndex.html http://www.iesna.org/ Asbury Park can be better. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: WoW - TGIO
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jennifer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does the city promote (directly or indirectly) promote gay events. Call it what you want. Acknowledge the entire city. Maybe the lawyers have to just stay out of the holiday season. Let the merchants marmet to who they want, without getting sued or being accused of disregarding a segment of the population. Should home depot sell xmas (did I spell that right or offend someone) trees and lights. Not sure if I looked for my stuff there. and what's wrong with happy holidays or the season of holidays. If you want a xmas tree or menorah or whatever else, get your group to sponsor it and place it in some city or private piece of property. Most of all, don't get offended by someone else's belief. We all die sooner or later. Like my boss once said, I never met anyone who lived forever... I think this subject gets raised every year. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: So how about those beachfront lights?
I agree, this is something that is a lot easier to not let happen in the first place, than to change after the fact. My least favorates are the big industrial floodlights on the OG side of the Casino, where they clash with the boardwalk lights and the parking lot style lights along the AP boardwalk, can't something a little less tall and bright be put up along there, and not the new style lights that have been installed along the streets, something more in keeping with the early 20th century era of the CH and Casino. Have not noticed the Berk light, but I'm over in OG, so maybe it's not pointed our way!! I'm not so worried about the lights in the parking lots, I'm hoping they are just temporary. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mr. Right makes the query of lighting. Clearly a word play in an attempt to belittle a serious topic that effects Asbury Park. I have refrained from discussions since they appear to be fruitless the past several weeks, however, I will take this bait and trolling tactic. Most recently the Berkeley Hotel installed a flood light on top of its SE wing which is the latest example of excess. This particular fixture glares all the way to Grand Avenue and beyond. It is visible from Main Street which is approximately a half mile away. This latest affront to proper design adds to the already established industrial ambiance apparently so desired by our conscientious developers. Glare, energy waste, dark-sky degradation, over lighting, aesthetics... all legitimate concerns that receive no attention and spiral out of control. I've about given up hope that the obvious negative impacts will ever be acknowledged. Asbury Park would be a better place if attention to all aspects of design and development were considered. Instead contentment is found in making 'light' of the subject and berating the messenger. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/files/WernerAPNJ/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/41066 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/40668 Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: WoW - TGIO
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm also very happy with the progress and work that's been done on the boardwalk. That said as a homeowner and taxpayer I do think setting expectations that are wildly misse ever hire someone to paint a room for you? ever try to pull a permit on your own - without being represented by an architect or more so, an attorney? ever try to build something from scratch in AP? ever go to city hall and ask a question relating to permits or inspections?? they even tried to offer to pay for additonal manpower etc didn't they? There's probably alot more to it then simply saying they missed the day... they shouldn't of said memorial day... Check out the new lights on 3rd av and 1st ave pav. How about looking at the good side of what got done. Go down to AC. This week, they again said MGM won't be spending $500m to build a casino and pinnacle won't be building their $billon casino where sands was. The headline ...Atlantic City revenues down, workers laid off... Panic? Not really. Actual win: $3.6 billon. Billion in I think 9 months. so it' down from last year by 6%. The number this is is down 15%... still not so bad. The casino laying off, the Borgata laid off some people. So what. Every co has people that could be laid off. They are the most successful casino in AC. So will the ESP really get built/funded? Did MM sell out yet or Paramount? And the downtown condos? There's lots of work to be done. All in all, the boardwalk was the most functional it's been in ages even though we might not of liked everything about it. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Here Is An Asbury Park Discussion!
Now that's what I call celebrating diversity! PBS ran Italians in America, last night then I saw an aerial series on European Countries and this one was Italy, Southern Style, which beautifully describe where you are, history, etc., of places Italians call home! 1st generation Europeans to America, may not have had a lot of education. Some only to 8th Grade, but they had dreams for their children and children's children, not unlike the dream ML King spoke of for Blacks, so told by the Huxtables on TV. That was how I came up, so when I see the negative sterotypes of African-Americans, so prevalent in this area, it's no wonder bigotry continues to exist in this area, where all you see published in the newspapers are drug busts and gun warfare. My employment brought me in close proximity to Black Engineers with PhD's who were not big-headed about their status, nor are the Black physicians and lawyers who reside here. I just happen to emanate from a large city, that it was the norm to be in the company of Black Professionals, all my life! Historically Black Colleges, those places of higher learning exists, from the days they were the only place, a person of color could attend. There are 3 in the City of New Orleans; Xavier University, Dillard Univ. and Southern Univ., New Orleans campus. I thought everyone had a chance to strive to better themselves. I still do! JR: Stop baiting and get on with the problems that Asbury Park faces. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 11/9/2008 10:17:44 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Told everyone Mario won't address the issue. = Arguing for the sake of arguing. For newbees, try these sites which picked up the stories from the AP Press and the Coaster: From 2006 http://www.bluecorncomics.com/stype6a7.htm And from 2008http://www.kisikew.org/forum/topic124.html I found Councilman Keady's position reasonable, coming from what I perceive to be his world view: in this case, sensitive to Native/Indigenous Americans and the Boy Scouts â members of the Na-Tsi-Hi Lodge 71 from the Oakhurst section of Ocean Township â [who] would not dress up as American Indians, greet Columbus and perform tribal dances, as troop members have done in past years. I also found Councilman Loffredo's statements reasonable: That being said, what Columbus did in getting into a small boat and going across the Atlantic Ocean was more adventurous than going to the moon. In the 1400s, he was a product of his times. Icons and Iconoclasts -- both useful in jogging our thinking. Brings to mind the hot-button issue of flying the Confederate flag from the Capitols in some southern states. Symbols are useful when we all agree on their meaning. Divisive when we don't. Focusing on hot-button issues, in the short term, is unproductive except for demagogues. For me, if I need affirmation for my ethnic heritage, there are numerous web sites out there with lists of unassailable famous Italian-Americans. Wiki has one. But when I want to feel really proud, I need only recall my immigrant father and first generation mother, both unschooled, but both open to America's diversity. My mother's harshest criticism was reserved for those among her immigrant in-laws who remained provincial and whom she referred to as greenhorns. Both worked until they reached 65. Then both enjoyed 25 additional years in retirement, living on their small nest egg, (FDR's) Social Security, private hospitalization and LBJ's Medicare. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: WoW - TGIO
Oak, Assume the City of Asbury Park declared that the names Hanukkah and Jew were unacceptable terms and were never to be used. Assume then they decided to take every accutrament of a Hanukkah celelbration, use them, and assert these traditions are no longer to be considered or called Jewish. Would you expect Jews to be insulted? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jennifer jennifernjca@ wrote: Does the city promote (directly or indirectly) promote gay events. Call it what you want. Acknowledge the entire city. Maybe the lawyers have to just stay out of the holiday season. Let the merchants marmet to who they want, without getting sued or being accused of disregarding a segment of the population. Should home depot sell xmas (did I spell that right or offend someone) trees and lights. Not sure if I looked for my stuff there. and what's wrong with happy holidays or the season of holidays. If you want a xmas tree or menorah or whatever else, get your group to sponsor it and place it in some city or private piece of property. Most of all, don't get offended by someone else's belief. We all die sooner or later. Like my boss once said, I never met anyone who lived forever... I think this subject gets raised every year. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: So how about those beachfront lights?
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mr. Right makes the query of lighting. Clearly a word play in an attempt to belittle a serious topic that effects Asbury Park. I have refrained from discussions since they appear to be fruitless the past several weeks, however, I will take this bait and trolling tactic. Most recently the Berkeley Hotel installed a flood light on top of its SE wing which is the latest example of excess. This particular fixture glares all the way to Grand Avenue and beyond. It is visible from Main Street which is approximately a half mile away. This latest affront to proper design adds to the already established industrial ambiance apparently so desired by our conscientious developers. Glare, energy waste, dark-sky degradation, over lighting, aesthetics... all legitimate concerns that receive no attention and spiral out of control. I've about given up hope that the obvious negative impacts will ever be acknowledged. Asbury Park would be a better place if attention to all aspects of design and development were considered. Instead contentment is found in making 'light' of the subject and berating the messenger. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/files/WernerAPNJ/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/41066 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/40668 Werner, I couldn't agree with you more about the light pollution from the Berkeley. I live on the block North of the Berkeley on Sixth Avenue (North Beach). A few months ago, they installed industrial lighting on the North side of the hotel which shines directly into my bedroom windows. I've contacted and spoke with Bill Gray and Angel Milette in code enforcement and Barbara Van Wagner in Planning/Zoning for the City. The light continues to shine in my windows. Any thoughts on how I can get the lights turned off? Many thanks, Bob Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: So how about those beachfront lights?
How about the absurd amount of electricity the city is using while lighting areas that aren't in use? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, rzick1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernerapnj@ wrote: Mr. Right makes the query of lighting. Clearly a word play in an attempt to belittle a serious topic that effects Asbury Park. I have refrained from discussions since they appear to be fruitless the past several weeks, however, I will take this bait and trolling tactic. Most recently the Berkeley Hotel installed a flood light on top of its SE wing which is the latest example of excess. This particular fixture glares all the way to Grand Avenue and beyond. It is visible from Main Street which is approximately a half mile away. This latest affront to proper design adds to the already established industrial ambiance apparently so desired by our conscientious developers. Glare, energy waste, dark-sky degradation, over lighting, aesthetics... all legitimate concerns that receive no attention and spiral out of control. I've about given up hope that the obvious negative impacts will ever be acknowledged. Asbury Park would be a better place if attention to all aspects of design and development were considered. Instead contentment is found in making 'light' of the subject and berating the messenger. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/files/WernerAPNJ/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/41066 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/40668 Werner, I couldn't agree with you more about the light pollution from the Berkeley. I live on the block North of the Berkeley on Sixth Avenue (North Beach). A few months ago, they installed industrial lighting on the North side of the hotel which shines directly into my bedroom windows. I've contacted and spoke with Bill Gray and Angel Milette in code enforcement and Barbara Van Wagner in Planning/Zoning for the City. The light continues to shine in my windows. Any thoughts on how I can get the lights turned off? Many thanks, Bob Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Here Is An Asbury Park Discussion!
Mario, I am honestly FOR the continuation of the Columbus Day Celebration, in spite of what I know. When I was learning Spanish in high school, Columbus was thought of as a hero! Columbus was an Italian in the employ of the Spanish Government, under Queen Isabella and Ferdinand. Another Italian of note, was Napoleon Bonaparte, who was from Corsica. The Fascist despot from WWII was Mussolini, who imagined himself, a King. All Italian, all famous in their own way. It has been said, that the Italians ran Asbury Park for decades. In some ways, they still do! Whatever it is that any group wants to celebrate, that is important to them, is fine with me. For those who don't agree with you, that's their perogative! I'm okay with it. If Kwanzaa is being celebrated with private donations, so what! I celebrate all 3 Holidays, Hannukah, Christmas and Kwanzaa. I have a Menorah, because before I became a Christian, we were Jews, just as Jesus was. Kwanzaa is a personal celebration of what it means to be Black and to be proud of my Heritage. I agree with John Loffredo's assessment of Celebrating Columbus. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Remeber Sharon I support the City's Kwanzaa celebration. I'm just trying to expose those who support it, but oppose Columbus Day and Christmas celebrations. What they do in AP with Christmas, having a celebration with all the accouterments of Christmas, but then changing the name, is highly insulting to my culture and faith. Imagine having a Kwanzaa celebration but refusing to call it Kwanzaa so as not to insult white people. How highly insulting it would be to change the name. That's precisely what Asbury Park does with Christmas. If you don't wish to celebrate, don't. To change the name as if the mere mention of Christ is bad couldn't be more insulting. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sharon_b283 sharon_b283@ wrote: After reading the memo twice, I gather this letter was sent to local businesses. I've considered asking for donations from my group and still will, since it benefits the community. What do you get from this appeal? Seems the City is just offering a location to have said celebration and get credit for it! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: I've uploaded a new file to the Group. Find it here: http://tinyurl.com/62shsz If anyone can't open it, it is City Letterhead sent to businesses about taking part in the City's Kwanzaa celebration, sent from our official Kwanzaa Celebration Coordinator. Love to hear your thoughts on this: Is it an impermissible government expenditure for violating the establishment clause? Is it a permissible expenditure in furtherance of supporting a cultural holiday? Lots of other questions can be presented. Would love to get councilman Keady's thoughts on it all. I hope for a well reasoned and lively discussion with no personalizing. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Here Is An Asbury Park Discussion!
The year was 1966, not 1977. I don't think Kwanzaa excludes anyone. It's like Pulaski Day that Poles honor their hero in the Revolutionary War. All ethnic groups celebrate Christmas in New Orleans, Catholicism being the dominant religion in that area. Jews celebrate it, as do Protestants. When Catholics go on retreat, the Jews and Protestants go on retreat with them! The Church Calendar determines what is being celebrated there, right up to Mardi Gras, which is part of the Church's 40 days before Lent begins on Ash Wednesday. It's all religious to me and not the raucus things tourists do on TV! When in Rome --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Michael W. Brim mwbnj@ wrote: Since you asked: As far as Columbus Day goes, I have attended several since moving to the area (from Pittsburgh PA via Daytona Beach FL were Columbus Day is not big thing in these areas as they are here in the NY and NY area) and have found the celebration of Columbus landing of great interest! Have learned a number of things from the presentations, like how bad a guy he was, but overall he played a MAJOR roll in what we have here in Asbury Park. A great place to live, work and play. The celebration draw a good number of people this year, with so much going on the boardwalk that day .. But was missing from Columbus Day event were the young Indians! Glad you support Asbury Park's recognition of the day (although I disagree with you on the bad guy part). Because of the wide culture makeup of Asbury Park, Holiday Season works for me, it includes Yule, Hanukkah and Boxing Day, to name a few of the events the term covers. Holiday season includes those who do not celebrate Christmas in an end-year festive spirit and gives us religious neutrality. To have the accutrements of Christmas but to change the name isults Christians. Also, Christmas is obviously relgious, but in America, it is also an the most ingrained and important cultural holiday that we have. To deny Christmas is as insulting to my culture as if I were to remove the names Kwanzaa or Pride from those celebrations. I hope someday Asbury Park will decide to no longer insult who I am as a person. Also, a few things about Kwanzaa. While Dr. Karenga today will say Kwanzaa is not religious, that is not how it was when he started it: In 1977, in Kwanzaa: origin, concepts, practice, Karenga stated, that Kwanzaa was chosen to give a Black alternative to the existing holiday and give Blacks an opportunity to celebrate themselves and history, rather than simply imitate the practice of the dominant society. I bring that up because of your assertion above that you would like to keep religion out of Asbury Park's cultural celebration. Today even Dr. Karenga admist that some celebrate Kwanzaa in place of religion, althoug he does not encourage it. As to inclusiveness, you shouldn't hang your hat on Kwanzaa. While I can celebrate it, I am not permitted to take part in its rituals because of the color of my skin. Christmas doesn't exlude like that. NOTE WELL: I DON'T MAKE THAT COMPARISON TO INSULT KWANZAA, ONLY TO DISSUADE YOU FROM YOUR THOUGHT THAT CHRISTMAS IS EXCLUSIVE. Finally, since you brought up Bad Guy in reation to Columbus, I thought in fairness I would repring the part of Dr. Karenga's biography that was not linked to earlier: He was convicted of torturing two black women by stripping them naked, beating them with electrical cords, placing a hot iron into the mouth of one and mangling the toe of the other in a vise. During the ordeal, he forced them to drink detergent. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Buon Natale Happy Holidays
FYI: I passed in front of your house last week and cracked up! It looked like Election Headquarters! Very Patriotic! I loved it. Now over the top Christmas tree lights; I'd have to invest in room darkening shades to get some sleep! Talk about Christmas Vacation! That film is a must see for me, every Christmas! I grew up, where there's no snow, so you see a lot of over the top decorations in the South! Asbury Park brings out the kid in me! I ride around endlessly looking Ga-Ga at all of the lights, some tasteful, some that make my eyes blur! I love everything about the Fall and Winter Holidays here, which is why I love this place! JR: Stop questioning other Americans patriotism! Republicans are good at doing this! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 11/9/2008 10:17:44 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Told everyone Mario won't address the issue. He's...against Christmas. [and earlier] It is Mario who refuses to take a postion...as he as no fear of looking anti-America = Anyone who's driven past my house at Christmas time can attest to the silliness (baiting? antagonism?) above. I never thought my Italian was showing that much or that the decorations approached those Over the Top like those here: http://tinyurl.com/5nbuc2 But Joe D'Andrea commented a few years ago that he needed to wear protective sunglasses as he drove past. And Dan (dfsavgny) was concerned last year about my electric bill. (I reassured him that I used only low wattage L.E.D.s.) So I'm seriously considering going minimalist this year. Then again ;-) Anti-America? I had so much red white and blue draping the house during election week that a friend said it looked like a Fourth of July float. :-( **AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. Search Now. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1212792382x1200798498/aol?redir=http://searchblog.aol.com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear0001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: WoW - TGIO
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Assume the City of Asbury Park declared that the names Hanukkah and Jew were unacceptable terms and were never to be used. Assume then they decided to take every accutrament of a Hanukkah celelbration, use them, and assert these traditions are no longer to be considered or called Jewish. Would you expect Jews to be insulted? butting in...they would flip! but i have to wonder what Jesus would think of his birthday becoming little more than an economic measurement and materialist bonanza. On the bright side, I do think AP ultimately is super inclusive. The communication could use work. Back to Jennifer's suggestion that Kwanzaa could be a big AP event that draws people here...my inner capitalist finds it delightful that the materialist bonanza that occurs during Kwanzaa time would be wonderful for AP's economics. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] National Law day...
LAW DAY: Hence the proposal for Lawyer's Day. A day when you can buy cards to give to your lawyer (or the various lawyers you retain) to express your appreciation for their vital service., actually: Law Day, May 1, is a special day focusing on our heritage of liberty under law, a national day of celebration officially designated by joint resolution Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] New file uploaded to AsburyPark
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[AsburyPark] So how about those beachfront lights?
Mr. Right makes the query of lighting. Clearly a word play in an attempt to belittle a serious topic that effects Asbury Park. I have refrained from discussions since they appear to be fruitless the past several weeks, however, I will take this bait and trolling tactic. Most recently the Berkeley Hotel installed a flood light on top of its SE wing which is the latest example of excess. This particular fixture glares all the way to Grand Avenue and beyond. It is visible from Main Street which is approximately a half mile away. This latest affront to proper design adds to the already established industrial ambiance apparently so desired by our conscientious developers. Glare, energy waste, dark-sky degradation, over lighting, aesthetics... all legitimate concerns that receive no attention and spiral out of control. I've about given up hope that the obvious negative impacts will ever be acknowledged. Asbury Park would be a better place if attention to all aspects of design and development were considered. Instead contentment is found in making 'light' of the subject and berating the messenger. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/files/WernerAPNJ/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/41066 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/40668 Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: So how about those beachfront lights?
If anyone wants to have a serious productive discussion on the subject, please review the following for background. http://www.darkskysociety.org/ http://www.darksky.org/ http://www.starrynightlights.com/lpIndex.html http://www.iesna.org/ Asbury Park can be better. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Here Is An Asbury Park Discussion!
No, they don't. On Nov 10, 2008, at 10:41 AM, justifiedright wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And I got lucky, I go both ways - since I married a nice german catholic girl. SO it's Christmas and Hanukkah. Not in Asbury it isn't. They frown on your wife's catholicism and her Christmas holiday. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Here Is An Asbury Park Discussion!
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not in Asbury it isn't. They frown on your wife's catholicism and her Christmas holiday. given that cosmos go from about $9-$14 and she'll knock off 2 of them, they shouldn't be. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Here Is An Asbury Park Discussion!
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not in Asbury it isn't. They frown on your wife's catholicism and her Christmas holiday. Well if they do, that's their problem. If it's obvious, I might not spend a dime in their place - or I will and not pay any attention to their problem. Culture. Everyone should know someone else's culture. Check it out: http://www.cushcity.com/santa101.htm Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: WoW - TGIO
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and in the end, jews, indians and italians all have casinos. The city and it's current developers have bigger problems. how to ride out the current market, get what's built sold and plan for the future. The city has to take a real hard look at what valuable land it still owns, what land could be redeveloped and how to continue to clean up it's act and get it's finances under control. Dan's new muni center, the land where the current muni garage sits to springwood down sroingwood (mg's brownfield designation figure out to use that correctly), private land along memorial, the land around 5th ave and sunset old railroad station, 1st and langford, up and down asbury ave, parts of main street and new housing to replace boston and lincoln villages... there should be a bus preparing to go to washington to shake down the new president. A couple less days in Iraq and AP could be looking pretty sharp. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Keady on Kwanza, Christmas and the City Budget
Mr. Deseno: In a recent post to this list you wrote: For the same reason, Keady will bash Columbus Day and rage on (as he did last month again) about the use of public funds for a cultural holiday (Columbus Day) but stays silent on Kwanzaa. Once again, you exercise your less than scrupulous tactics, this time - judgment without query. Thank God our judicial system does not operate in the way that you do. Let me share with you how an adult looking for an answer to a legitimate question may have framed this. Mr. Deseno: Mr. Keady, in the past you have been outspoken about the use of public tax dollars for the City's Columbus Day event. I am curious to know if you have similar feelings about tax dollars being spent on the upcoming Kwanza celebration and for that matter the City spending money on any religious or pseudo-religious events? And I would have responded. First, let me be clear that my concern with the Asbury Park Columbus Day celebration is that it presents a sanitized version of history at best and outright lies at worst. As an educator, my concern was/is that public dollars were/are being spent to misinform our youth about Columbus' discovery of America. If however a private group would like to put on this event (ex. Knights of Columbus) I would both support and defend their right to do that. Second, since you raised the issue about Kwanza, let me share the following. I had a conversation with the City Manager about two weeks ago regarding this and expressed my concern that the City should NOT be paying for this event. While I do believe that the Kwanza event is a positive one for our community and our youth, I do not believe that taxpayer dollars should be spent on events like this. I also do not believe that taxpayer dollars should be spent on any Christmas celebrations either. These are religious or pseudo-religious holidays and spending tax dollars to support them does come dangerously close to violating the establishment clause. To keep these kinds of events going, and I do think they should be kept going, the City could/should help the organizers to find private dollars (Churches, Business Groups, etc.) to fund and promote these events. Now. Since we are talking about spending tax-payer dollars, this is an excellent time to explore a much broader discussion that this community MUST have. In light of the current fiscal crisis in our nation and the impact that that this crisis will have on municipal governments in both the short and long-term, we need to ask (and answer) the questions, What should we spend our tax dollars on? What should we cut from the budget if tax revenues decrease by 10%, 20%, etc.? I recommend that the City start with a clean sheet and put very directed questions to our citizens regarding budget line items and educate them on what each item will cost. Then, with this information in hand, the community can set spending priorities. For example: Do you want to keep the Police Department at its current staffing levels? If so, here is what that will cost (the City would provide a breakdown for every projected penny spent). Once there is consensus on what to spend, move on to the next item. For example: Do you want to keep the Department of Public Works and the Department of Engineering separate departments or should we merge them? If we merged them, here are the potential cost savings, potential increases in efficiency for delivery of services, etc. Once there is consensus on this, move on to the next item. I think you get the idea. I hope everyone is having a great start to the week. Peace, JWK Councilman James W. Keady 1 Municipal Plaza Asbury Park, NJ 07712 TEL: 732.502.5196 EM: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.cityofasburypark.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Buon Natale Happy Holidays
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sharon_b283 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: JR: Stop questioning other Americans patriotism! I certainly did not, Sharon. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Here Is An Asbury Park Discussion!
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sharon_b283 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It has been said, that the Italians ran Asbury Park for decades. In some ways, they still do! see, some people know the truth. And the whole thing with columbus, we have been brain washed with that since we were kids. Give the guy credit for making it to this land. Lots of history is like religion and I don't claim to to knowledgeable in either. Chamber monies should be directed by members of the chamber. It's more or less a private non-proft org, right? If you're a biz, you can advertise what you want - whatever you think is better for your biz. And I got lucky, I go both ways - since I married a nice german catholic girl. SO it's Christmas and Hanukkah. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Keady on Kwanza, Christmas and the City Budget
Thank you for the response, Councilman Keady. So you don't think the City should expend any money on cultural events. Thank you for clearing that up. I note it is only the Columbus Day celebration which you publically oppose (with great vigor I might ad, including props). Why not support them all with such vigor? By the way, you march in the Fourth of July parade. That is also a cultural celebration. Why the exception? Do you also opposed to public resources spent on the Pride Parade? Finally - where is your stance on the City scubbing all mention of the word Christmas from its celebrations? For or opposed? In that line: Isn't Christmas a cultural part of America, and has been so for many, many years? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, James Keady [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mr. Deseno: In a recent post to this list you wrote: For the same reason, Keady will bash Columbus Day and rage on (as he did last month again) about the use of public funds for a cultural holiday (Columbus Day) but stays silent on Kwanzaa. Once again, you exercise your less than scrupulous tactics, this time - judgment without query. Thank God our judicial system does not operate in the way that you do. Let me share with you how an adult looking for an answer to a legitimate question may have framed this. Mr. Deseno: Mr. Keady, in the past you have been outspoken about the use of public tax dollars for the City's Columbus Day event. I am curious to know if you have similar feelings about tax dollars being spent on the upcoming Kwanza celebration and for that matter the City spending money on any religious or pseudo-religious events? And I would have responded. First, let me be clear that my concern with the Asbury Park Columbus Day celebration is that it presents a sanitized version of history at best and outright lies at worst. As an educator, my concern was/is that public dollars were/are being spent to misinform our youth about Columbus' discovery of America. If however a private group would like to put on this event (ex. Knights of Columbus) I would both support and defend their right to do that. Second, since you raised the issue about Kwanza, let me share the following. I had a conversation with the City Manager about two weeks ago regarding this and expressed my concern that the City should NOT be paying for this event. While I do believe that the Kwanza event is a positive one for our community and our youth, I do not believe that taxpayer dollars should be spent on events like this. I also do not believe that taxpayer dollars should be spent on any Christmas celebrations either. These are religious or pseudo-religious holidays and spending tax dollars to support them does come dangerously close to violating the establishment clause. To keep these kinds of events going, and I do think they should be kept going, the City could/should help the organizers to find private dollars (Churches, Business Groups, etc.) to fund and promote these events. Now. Since we are talking about spending tax-payer dollars, this is an excellent time to explore a much broader discussion that this community MUST have. In light of the current fiscal crisis in our nation and the impact that that this crisis will have on municipal governments in both the short and long-term, we need to ask (and answer) the questions, What should we spend our tax dollars on? What should we cut from the budget if tax revenues decrease by 10%, 20%, etc.? I recommend that the City start with a clean sheet and put very directed questions to our citizens regarding budget line items and educate them on what each item will cost. Then, with this information in hand, the community can set spending priorities. For example: Do you want to keep the Police Department at its current staffing levels? If so, here is what that will cost (the City would provide a breakdown for every projected penny spent). Once there is consensus on what to spend, move on to the next item. For example: Do you want to keep the Department of Public Works and the Department of Engineering separate departments or should we merge them? If we merged them, here are the potential cost savings, potential increases in efficiency for delivery of services, etc. Once there is consensus on this, move on to the next item. I think you get the idea. I hope everyone is having a great start to the week. Peace, JWK Councilman James W. Keady 1 Municipal Plaza Asbury Park, NJ 07712 TEL: 732.502.5196 EM: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.cityofasburypark.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to:
[AsburyPark] Re: Here Is An Asbury Park Discussion!
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And I got lucky, I go both ways - since I married a nice german catholic girl. SO it's Christmas and Hanukkah. Not in Asbury it isn't. They frown on your wife's catholicism and her Christmas holiday. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Here Is An Asbury Park Discussion!
In a message dated 11/10/2008 10:05:54 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mario, I am honestly FOR the continuation of the Columbus Day Celebration, in spite of what I know. I guess I've grown indifferent about it although I used to run up the Italian flag next to Old Glory on Columbus and St. Joseph's Days. I just didn't like seeing someone demonized for his reasonable opposition to it (as he explained in full here earlier today). Also, I never felt drawn to re-enactment ceremonies, but over time I came to see them as better commemorations than trips to the mall. And despite the usual objections to big-box stores, I admire Costco executives for closing on such holidays as the Fourth of July, Memorial Day, Labor Day, et al. when their competition, all the other stores, run Blow Out sales. **AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. Search Now. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1212792382x1200798498/aol?redir=http://searchblog.aol.com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear0001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Municipalities, Taxes, and the Stimulus Approach
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, thereâs no question that fighting the crisis will cost a lot of money. Rescuing the financial system will probably require large outlays beyond the funds already disbursed. And on top of that, we badly need a program of increased government spending to support output and employment. Could next yearâ s federal budget deficit reach $1 trillion? Yes. But standard textbook economics says that itâs O.K., in fact appropriate, to run temporary deficits in the face of a depressed economy. -- Paul Krugman, (latest recipient of the Nobel Prize in Economic Sciences): Classic Keynesian economics. From Todays's WSJ on the G-20 The problems plaguing the conference are part conceptual, part political. It's far from clear how to stanch the economic crisis from getting worse given the complex interaction between housing problems, tightened credit, bank solvency and slumping consumer demand globally. The IMF plans to use the conference to lobby nations for a big dose of Keynesian pump priming -- running big budget deficits to cut taxes and boost spending. The U.S. has started in this direction, but many European countries are skeptical. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Buon Natale Happy Holidays
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone who's driven past my house at Christmas time can attest to the silliness (baiting? antagonism?) above. I never thought my Italian was showing that much or that the decorations approached those Over the Top like those here: http://tinyurl.com/5nbuc2 But Joe D'Andrea commented a few years ago that he needed to wear protective sunglasses as he drove past. And Dan (dfsavgny) was concerned last year about my electric bill. (I reassured him that I used only low wattage L.E.D.s.) So I'm seriously considering going minimalist this year. Then again ;-) Anti-America? I had so much red white and blue draping the house during election week that a friend said it looked like a Fourth of July float. Your decorations always look great. Couldn't believe I saw some guys putting up Winter, oops, Christmas, decorations last weekend in OG. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: WoW - TGIO
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you Gabbi. You have hit the nail squarely. Newbie and others should know that there is a general dislike for me on the board here (not complaining about it), stemming not from what I say here, but for 2 other reasons. We kid because we love you. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Here Is An Asbury Park Discussion!
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your posistion on Asbury Park using public resources for Columbus Day, for Kwanzaa, and the Chamber changing the name of Christmas to somehting else. I'm certain you won't. You'll take a stab at clever, peppered with insult toward me, but you will not make your position clear, for the reasons I stated. Let me dare you to do it. You still won't. For the reasons I stated. Is there some importance to what Mario and Keady think about Kwanzaa and Christmas that I am not aware of? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: WoW - TGIO
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ome depot sell xmas (did I spell that right or offend someone I am highly offended. St. Andrew was crucified on an X-shaped cross. ;) Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: WoW - TGIO
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Thank you Gabbi. You have hit the nail squarely. Newbie and others should know that there is a general dislike for me on the board here (not complaining about it), stemming not from what I say here, but for 2 other reasons. We kid because we love you. Only because Jesus says you have to ;-) Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Here Is An Asbury Park Discussion!
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there some importance to what Mario and Keady think about Kwanzaa and Christmas that I am not aware of? It was important to me what Keady thought, because I believed he was singling out the Columbus Celebration (and by extention my family and I since we did partake in it for years). Now that I know he is against public resources going to all such celebrations, I certainly feel a little better about it as I now know I'm not being singled out. I do wish he would oppose the rest of them from the dias with as much vigor as he does the Columbus celebration. Then I'd be certain I wasn't singled out. Would seem more fair. As for the importance of Mario's thoughts on the matter, I was accused by two other members of using a strawman against him (misrepresenting his views). So I went on a tear trying get him to say what his views actually are. If he has not said what they are, I really could not have misrepresented them. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Keady on Kwanza, Christmas and the City Budget
Mr. Deseno, I never ceases to amaze me how someone like yourself, who makes their living in a profession that demands factual basis for argument, has such a disdain for accurate and truthful statements. You wrote: So you don't think the City should expend any money on cultural events. I never said this. Please go back to my previous email and document where I made this statement. I was clear about religious and pseudo- religious events. I also was clear about why I took issue with a specific cultural event, Columbus Day. You wrote: I note it is only the Columbus Day celebration which you publically oppose (with great vigor I might ad, including props). Why not support them all with such vigor? I think you erred here in your copy, I believe, based the entirety of your email, that you meant to say, Why (are you) not opposed them all with such vigor? Again, I have been clear about my groudning in objecting to the City- sponsored Columbus Day event with such vigor as you put it. You wrote: By the way, you march in the Fourth of July parade. That is also a cultural celebration. I am not against all cultural celebrations. I know this is difficult for you to handle, given your binary worldview, but an individual can actually come to decisions based on the merits of each case (i.e. It does not have to be all or nothing.) You wrote: Do you also opposed to public resources spent on the Pride Parade? Your grammar is a bit off here, but I get your point. As far as I recall, there were not public resources spent on the Pride Parade, it was an event that was financed by a non-profit entity and they applied for permits the same as any other outside group would. Do you have facts to the contrary? You wrote: Finally - where is your stance on the City scubbing all mention of the word Christmas from its celebrations? For or opposed? As I shared in my earlier email, I do not support the City's expending of any tax-dollars on Christmas, so, your above question to me is moot. You wrote: In that line: Isn't Christmas a cultural part of America, and has been so for many, many years? Christmas has evolved in the mainstream American consciousness into a hybrid of the religious and cultural. But, if we are honest with ourselves about the facts, Christmas IS a religous celebration. To deny that is to be disingenous to its origins. Given that it is a religious holiday, I believe that any tax dollars used to celebrate Christmas is a violation of the establishment clause. Finally, just because something exists or has happened for many, many years is no grounds for its just continuation. We have enough examples in world history that show this to be very faulty logic. On a more personal level, as a fellow Christian, I do not think that we need the State to edify (by celebrating Christmas) our counter- cultural commitments to following the Good News of a radical, itinerant preacher from Galilee (Jesus). When it comes to this, I think the sage advice of St. Francis of Assisi is worthy of consideration. Francis said, Preach the Gospel at all times and when necessary use words. This is my final response to this issue Mr. Deseno. I thought you might have learned from this most recent election that the people of our great nation want their leaders focusing the majority of their energy on issues that really matter and they do not want these leaders caught up in the minutiae of the culture wars. There are many more important matters that this community, our state and our nation are currently facing that demand attention. Peace, Councilman Jim Keady Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: So how about those beachfront lights?
Until the crime goes down in AP, I say Light Up the City! I know when I park in the lots; I try and park under the brightest light. Bright lights make me feel safe when I can see who/what is lurking around. Werner you can say all evidence points to this not being true, but it is how I feel. I avoid parking on dark streets. Asbury just isn't there yet to dim the lights. And trust me I like dim lights; I tried getting a dimmer for my fridge once. However, the Berkley one is crazy. When I saw that thing lit up, I walked down to the beach to see what was going on. Maybe it's another marketing ploy to get people to the beachfront? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about the absurd amount of electricity the city is using while lighting areas that aren't in use? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, rzick1 rzick1@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernerapnj@ wrote: Mr. Right makes the query of lighting. Clearly a word play in an attempt to belittle a serious topic that effects Asbury Park. I have refrained from discussions since they appear to be fruitless the past several weeks, however, I will take this bait and trolling tactic. Most recently the Berkeley Hotel installed a flood light on top of its SE wing which is the latest example of excess. This particular fixture glares all the way to Grand Avenue and beyond. It is visible from Main Street which is approximately a half mile away. This latest affront to proper design adds to the already established industrial ambiance apparently so desired by our conscientious developers. Glare, energy waste, dark-sky degradation, over lighting, aesthetics... all legitimate concerns that receive no attention and spiral out of control. I've about given up hope that the obvious negative impacts will ever be acknowledged. Asbury Park would be a better place if attention to all aspects of design and development were considered. Instead contentment is found in making 'light' of the subject and berating the messenger. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/files/WernerAPNJ/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/41066 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/40668 Werner, I couldn't agree with you more about the light pollution from the Berkeley. I live on the block North of the Berkeley on Sixth Avenue (North Beach). A few months ago, they installed industrial lighting on the North side of the hotel which shines directly into my bedroom windows. I've contacted and spoke with Bill Gray and Angel Milette in code enforcement and Barbara Van Wagner in Planning/Zoning for the City. The light continues to shine in my windows. Any thoughts on how I can get the lights turned off? Many thanks, Bob Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Here Is An Asbury Park Discussion!
I guess I spoke to soon. I just read Councilman Keady's last post, apparantly written as I was writing the one below. It appears my culture, my family and me are all being singled out by Councilman Keady. So much for the new unity and the politics of inclusion. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: Is there some importance to what Mario and Keady think about Kwanzaa and Christmas that I am not aware of? It was important to me what Keady thought, because I believed he was singling out the Columbus Celebration (and by extention my family and I since we did partake in it for years). Now that I know he is against public resources going to all such celebrations, I certainly feel a little better about it as I now know I'm not being singled out. I do wish he would oppose the rest of them from the dias with as much vigor as he does the Columbus celebration. Then I'd be certain I wasn't singled out. Would seem more fair. As for the importance of Mario's thoughts on the matter, I was accused by two other members of using a strawman against him (misrepresenting his views). So I went on a tear trying get him to say what his views actually are. If he has not said what they are, I really could not have misrepresented them. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: So how about those beachfront lights?
In a message dated 11/10/2008 12:52:45 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And trust me I like dim lights; I tried getting a dimmer for my fridge once. Ah! Great comic relief. Thank you, Mark :-) **AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. Search Now. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1212792382x1200798498/aol?redir=http://searchblog.aol.com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear0001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Bye
It will rely on foreigners that are visiting the area. It will stay afloat somehow for at least a year. --- On Thu, 11/6/08, Rock Musician [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Rock Musician [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Bye To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, November 6, 2008, 5:51 AM They better open ... come the new year they will be outta business. _ _ __ From: Mike Hemeon tvnetdude2000@ yahoo.com To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 5, 2008 4:26:44 PM Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Bye Don't leave now the new Outlet stores open next week. --- On Tue, 11/4/08, Tracy [EMAIL PROTECTED] com wrote: From: Tracy [EMAIL PROTECTED] com Subject: [AsburyPark] Bye To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com Date: Tuesday, November 4, 2008, 3:40 PM After the past week or so on this list, I don't think we need to spend any more of our liberal, tolerant, interracial tourist money in AP. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: WoW - TGIO
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: butting in...they would flip! Exactly Gabbi. Now consider this is exactly what the the City of Asbury Park has done to Christians these past two years. It is not a hypothetical or an academic question. It really happened, and is happening again. It's very hurtful, bigotry is. Were it to happen to another group in Asbury Park, the outrage would be rather unified. I'd be leading it. There is an acute betrayal I feel, after having supported the goals of groups in this City to whom I don't belong to, both financially and in print, to have those same people insult who I am based upon my nationality, heritage, religion and culture. Asbury Park will get no moniker of tolerance and diversity from me. Back to Jennifer's suggestion that Kwanzaa could be a big AP event that draws people here...my inner capitalist finds it delightful that the materialist bonanza that occurs during Kwanzaa time would be wonderful for AP's economics. Absolutely. Imagine if Asbury Park did that with every cultural celebration throughout the year - including Christmas. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Let the Censorship Begin
Why do Americans have to deal with every other countries refuse? As an American try to get into any other country ion the world and end up in jail. Who is going to pay their way? They certainly don't. --- On Fri, 11/7/08, Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Let the Censorship Begin To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, November 7, 2008, 12:41 PM Allowing the government to outlaw words is pretty insane. It will never change how people feel about immigrants. Just a noose for everyone to hang themselves on because we are more afraid of hurt feelings than loss of freedom. BUT...I agree that there is no such thing as an illegal person and people coming to this country in hope of something better are looked down upon. and therefore a term that simply describes someone's citizen status has been turned into a slur by hateful, fearful egocentric and ethnocentric people. that's what needs to change. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ ... wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: Why would you disagree? Allow government to outlaw words? Allow judges the power of prior judicial restraint of speech which has been disallowed since the passing of the bill of rights? Gee, I don't. What could possibly go wrong? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Heads Up AP Manager and Council -- $$$ may be in the offing
More money for people that didn't handle the money they had right. --- On Fri, 11/7/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [AsburyPark] Heads Up AP Manager and Council -- $$$ may be in the offing To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, November 7, 2008, 12:31 PM Asbury Park powers-that- be: With today's extremely dismal financial news (e.g., 1/4 million job losses, auto industry to end payments to 401K's, et al.), it looks more and more like the lame duck session of congress will allot some bailout monies to states and municipalities with projects ready-to-go and limited only by finances. Keep refreshing this news search: http://tinyurl. com/5bplw5 Two examples: Bloomberg: ``The jobs message carried a lot of weight with voters,'' said Jim Earp of the California Alliance for Jobs, a lobbyist for the construction industry that helped finance the bond campaign. ``Voters understood that even in these tough economic times there are some investments worth making.'' And Architectural Record: On the federal level, industry officials are heartened by Obamas support for infrastructure and, despite the deficit, expect him to back a new economic-stimulus bill that they hope will include money for public works. I think in the short-term they are going to overlook the deficit problems and address some type of investment to get the economy generated again, says Stephen E. Sandherr, CEO of the Associated General Contractors. There are projects out there that are ready to go. They will have an immediate impact on the economy. Some want to see Congress move on a stimulus measure in a lame-duck session, but Sandherr believes it will be held over until next year. **AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. Search Now. (http://pr.atwola. com/promoclk/ 10075x121279 2382x1200798498/ aol?redir= http://searchblo g.aol.com/ 2008/11/04/ happy-holidays- from -aol-search/ ?ncid=emlcntusse ar0001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Keady on Kwanza, Christmas and the City Budget
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, jwkeady [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mr. Deseno, I never ceases to amaze me how someone like yourself, who makes their living in a profession that demands factual basis for argument, has such a disdain for accurate and truthful statements. Mr. Keady, must you start off personalizing? Speaking of, I note that twice you remark about my grammar in the post below. I've said many times I post here for leisure. I have jobs where grammar and spelling are important, and this isn't one of them. Also when I come across someone not to my own standard for grammar, never would I take him or her to task for it in public. I treat people with dignity and respect. Since it appears important to you though, should you ever wish to engage in a contest where proper grammar in writing is the score, just let me know when and where the game begins. Now on to substance. You said this: You wrote: So you don't think the City should expend any money on cultural events. I never said this. Please go back to my previous email and document where I made this statement. I was clear about religious and pseudo- religious events. I also was clear about why I took issue with a specific cultural event, Columbus Day. Oh I see, Mr. Keady. You hide your objection to Kwanzaa on quasi- religious. So you disagree with many on this board (as well as Ron Karenga's Kwanzaa website) that it is neither religious nor a replacement for religion. Fear not though - the folks on this board who see you in Messiah-like fashion will not score their disagreement against you. They will just use it as an excuse to rail at me at the mere thought of having to disagree with you. Religious vs Cultural aside, I understand you to stand against he City's expenditure of funds for Kwanzaa. As I understand you, the reason you go public on the dais against Columbus Day and not Kwanzaa is that you feel the full story about Columbus is not told. You think of him poorly. Let's put aside that I've alerted you to all the bad information we have about Columbus came from his arch-rival, De Bobadilla, whose claims were debunked back in his own time (yet resurrected today by those who wish American history was bad). We can argue that again next October. Right now I'm interested in your excuse for bashing just my culture as opposed to others. You say it is because we don't teach the bad parts of Columbus. Well, Ron Karenga the founder of Kwanzaa, was convicted of kidnapping and torturing two minority women, beating them with cords, putting hot irons in their mouths and making them drink detergent. A shocking display of misogyny, cowardice, power, lack of compassion and inhumane action (WWJD?). If your excuse for railing against Columbus each year is we should include his bad story in our Columbus celebration, why do you not rail with equal vigor that we include Dr. Karenga's horribleness in the Kwanzaa celebration? Please tell me you have some legitimate excuse to clear up this glaringly hypocritical position? Oh by the way - the Catholic Church financed much of Columbus' trip. Did you rail against the church when we were trying to become a Deacon? As I shared in my earlier email, I do not support the City's expending of any tax-dollars on Christmas, so, your above question to me is moot. Then what about your thoughts on the private entity, the Chamber, making a decision to excise the name Christmas from their celebration while still using trees with lights, stars, wrapped presents and Santa Claus? Do you support the co-opting of culture and changing its name? On a more personal level, as a fellow Christian, I do not think that we need the State to edify (by celebrating Christmas) our counter- cultural commitments to following the Good News of a radical, itinerant preacher from Galilee (Jesus). When it comes to this, I think the sage advice of St. Francis of Assisi is worthy of consideration. Francis said, Preach the Gospel at all times and when necessary use words. I seem to recall denying Jesus 3 times before the cock crows being a bad thing too. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] FW: If you could pass this along ...
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[AsburyPark] Re: Keady on Kwanza, Christmas and the City Budget
JR - You missed the councilman's question. Do you have any facts to back up your question Do you also opposed to public resources spent on the Pride Parade? Your grammar is a bit off here, but I get your point. As far as I recall, there were not public resources spent on the Pride Parade, it was an event that was financed by a non-profit entity and they applied for permits the same as any other outside group would. Do you have facts to the contrary? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, jwkeady james.keady@ wrote: Mr. Deseno, I never ceases to amaze me how someone like yourself, who makes their living in a profession that demands factual basis for argument, has such a disdain for accurate and truthful statements. Mr. Keady, must you start off personalizing? Speaking of, I note that twice you remark about my grammar in the post below. I've said many times I post here for leisure. I have jobs where grammar and spelling are important, and this isn't one of them. Also when I come across someone not to my own standard for grammar, never would I take him or her to task for it in public. I treat people with dignity and respect. Since it appears important to you though, should you ever wish to engage in a contest where proper grammar in writing is the score, just let me know when and where the game begins. Now on to substance. You said this: You wrote: So you don't think the City should expend any money on cultural events. I never said this. Please go back to my previous email and document where I made this statement. I was clear about religious and pseudo- religious events. I also was clear about why I took issue with a specific cultural event, Columbus Day. Oh I see, Mr. Keady. You hide your objection to Kwanzaa on quasi- religious. So you disagree with many on this board (as well as Ron Karenga's Kwanzaa website) that it is neither religious nor a replacement for religion. Fear not though - the folks on this board who see you in Messiah- like fashion will not score their disagreement against you. They will just use it as an excuse to rail at me at the mere thought of having to disagree with you. Religious vs Cultural aside, I understand you to stand against he City's expenditure of funds for Kwanzaa. As I understand you, the reason you go public on the dais against Columbus Day and not Kwanzaa is that you feel the full story about Columbus is not told. You think of him poorly. Let's put aside that I've alerted you to all the bad information we have about Columbus came from his arch-rival, De Bobadilla, whose claims were debunked back in his own time (yet resurrected today by those who wish American history was bad). We can argue that again next October. Right now I'm interested in your excuse for bashing just my culture as opposed to others. You say it is because we don't teach the bad parts of Columbus. Well, Ron Karenga the founder of Kwanzaa, was convicted of kidnapping and torturing two minority women, beating them with cords, putting hot irons in their mouths and making them drink detergent. A shocking display of misogyny, cowardice, power, lack of compassion and inhumane action (WWJD?). If your excuse for railing against Columbus each year is we should include his bad story in our Columbus celebration, why do you not rail with equal vigor that we include Dr. Karenga's horribleness in the Kwanzaa celebration? Please tell me you have some legitimate excuse to clear up this glaringly hypocritical position? Oh by the way - the Catholic Church financed much of Columbus' trip. Did you rail against the church when we were trying to become a Deacon? As I shared in my earlier email, I do not support the City's expending of any tax-dollars on Christmas, so, your above question to me is moot. Then what about your thoughts on the private entity, the Chamber, making a decision to excise the name Christmas from their celebration while still using trees with lights, stars, wrapped presents and Santa Claus? Do you support the co-opting of culture and changing its name? On a more personal level, as a fellow Christian, I do not think that we need the State to edify (by celebrating Christmas) our counter- cultural commitments to following the Good News of a radical, itinerant preacher from Galilee (Jesus). When it comes to this, I think the sage advice of St. Francis of Assisi is worthy of consideration. Francis said, Preach the Gospel at all times and when necessary use words. I seem to recall denying Jesus 3 times before the cock crows being a bad thing too. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to:
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Here Is An Asbury Park Discussion!
VICTIM! On Nov 10, 2008, at 12:54 PM, justifiedright wrote: I guess I spoke to soon. I just read Councilman Keady's last post, apparantly written as I was writing the one below. It appears my culture, my family and me are all being singled out by Councilman Keady. So much for the new unity and the politics of inclusion. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: Is there some importance to what Mario and Keady think about Kwanzaa and Christmas that I am not aware of? It was important to me what Keady thought, because I believed he was singling out the Columbus Celebration (and by extention my family and I since we did partake in it for years). Now that I know he is against public resources going to all such celebrations, I certainly feel a little better about it as I now know I'm not being singled out. I do wish he would oppose the rest of them from the dias with as much vigor as he does the Columbus celebration. Then I'd be certain I wasn't singled out. Would seem more fair. As for the importance of Mario's thoughts on the matter, I was accused by two other members of using a strawman against him (misrepresenting his views). So I went on a tear trying get him to say what his views actually are. If he has not said what they are, I really could not have misrepresented them. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Keady on Kwanza, Christmas and the City Budget
VICTIM! On Nov 10, 2008, at 2:41 PM, justifiedright wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, jwkeady [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mr. Deseno, I never ceases to amaze me how someone like yourself, who makes their living in a profession that demands factual basis for argument, has such a disdain for accurate and truthful statements. Mr. Keady, must you start off personalizing? Speaking of, I note that twice you remark about my grammar in the post below. I've said many times I post here for leisure. I have jobs where grammar and spelling are important, and this isn't one of them. Also when I come across someone not to my own standard for grammar, never would I take him or her to task for it in public. I treat people with dignity and respect. Since it appears important to you though, should you ever wish to engage in a contest where proper grammar in writing is the score, just let me know when and where the game begins. Now on to substance. You said this: You wrote: So you don't think the City should expend any money on cultural events. I never said this. Please go back to my previous email and document where I made this statement. I was clear about religious and pseudo- religious events. I also was clear about why I took issue with a specific cultural event, Columbus Day. Oh I see, Mr. Keady. You hide your objection to Kwanzaa on quasi- religious. So you disagree with many on this board (as well as Ron Karenga's Kwanzaa website) that it is neither religious nor a replacement for religion. Fear not though - the folks on this board who see you in Messiah-like fashion will not score their disagreement against you. They will just use it as an excuse to rail at me at the mere thought of having to disagree with you. Religious vs Cultural aside, I understand you to stand against he City's expenditure of funds for Kwanzaa. As I understand you, the reason you go public on the dais against Columbus Day and not Kwanzaa is that you feel the full story about Columbus is not told. You think of him poorly. Let's put aside that I've alerted you to all the bad information we have about Columbus came from his arch-rival, De Bobadilla, whose claims were debunked back in his own time (yet resurrected today by those who wish American history was bad). We can argue that again next October. Right now I'm interested in your excuse for bashing just my culture as opposed to others. You say it is because we don't teach the bad parts of Columbus. Well, Ron Karenga the founder of Kwanzaa, was convicted of kidnapping and torturing two minority women, beating them with cords, putting hot irons in their mouths and making them drink detergent. A shocking display of misogyny, cowardice, power, lack of compassion and inhumane action (WWJD?). If your excuse for railing against Columbus each year is we should include his bad story in our Columbus celebration, why do you not rail with equal vigor that we include Dr. Karenga's horribleness in the Kwanzaa celebration? Please tell me you have some legitimate excuse to clear up this glaringly hypocritical position? Oh by the way - the Catholic Church financed much of Columbus' trip. Did you rail against the church when we were trying to become a Deacon? As I shared in my earlier email, I do not support the City's expending of any tax-dollars on Christmas, so, your above question to me is moot. Then what about your thoughts on the private entity, the Chamber, making a decision to excise the name Christmas from their celebration while still using trees with lights, stars, wrapped presents and Santa Claus? Do you support the co-opting of culture and changing its name? On a more personal level, as a fellow Christian, I do not think that we need the State to edify (by celebrating Christmas) our counter- cultural commitments to following the Good News of a radical, itinerant preacher from Galilee (Jesus). When it comes to this, I think the sage advice of St. Francis of Assisi is worthy of consideration. Francis said, Preach the Gospel at all times and when necessary use words. I seem to recall denying Jesus 3 times before the cock crows being a bad thing too. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Keady on Kwanza, Christmas and the City Budget
Mark thanks first for joing the discussion. I see though as Mr. Keady took the time to highlight my grammatical error, you repeat it as well. You ask if I have facts to back up my question. I understand a statement to need to be backed up with facts, but isn't a question a request for facts? I'll try anyway to further the discussion. Upon repair of my grammatical error, the question is as follows: Would you also be opposed to public resources spent on the Pride Parade? I ask the question to further highlight that some cultural events are being funded (like Kwanzaa), while others are not (like Pride). It appears to me Asbury Park, which so emotionally shouts its worth through diversity and tolerance is actually making value judgments about groups and funding them (or in keady's case, railing against them from the dais) based upon judgments made about the group. How exceedingly intolerant. Mark I've given you the benefit of discussing your point. I hope you will reciprocate and discuss the varied treatment of Columbus Day, Kwanzaa, Pride and Chrsitmas by Mr. Keady and the rest of City government. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, mark07712 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: JR - You missed the councilman's question. Do you have any facts to back up your question Do you also opposed to public resources spent on the Pride Parade? Your grammar is a bit off here, but I get your point. As far as I recall, there were not public resources spent on the Pride Parade, it was an event that was financed by a non-profit entity and they applied for permits the same as any other outside group would. Do you have facts to the contrary? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, jwkeady james.keady@ wrote: Mr. Deseno, I never ceases to amaze me how someone like yourself, who makes their living in a profession that demands factual basis for argument, has such a disdain for accurate and truthful statements. Mr. Keady, must you start off personalizing? Speaking of, I note that twice you remark about my grammar in the post below. I've said many times I post here for leisure. I have jobs where grammar and spelling are important, and this isn't one of them. Also when I come across someone not to my own standard for grammar, never would I take him or her to task for it in public. I treat people with dignity and respect. Since it appears important to you though, should you ever wish to engage in a contest where proper grammar in writing is the score, just let me know when and where the game begins. Now on to substance. You said this: You wrote: So you don't think the City should expend any money on cultural events. I never said this. Please go back to my previous email and document where I made this statement. I was clear about religious and pseudo- religious events. I also was clear about why I took issue with a specific cultural event, Columbus Day. Oh I see, Mr. Keady. You hide your objection to Kwanzaa on quasi- religious. So you disagree with many on this board (as well as Ron Karenga's Kwanzaa website) that it is neither religious nor a replacement for religion. Fear not though - the folks on this board who see you in Messiah- like fashion will not score their disagreement against you. They will just use it as an excuse to rail at me at the mere thought of having to disagree with you. Religious vs Cultural aside, I understand you to stand against he City's expenditure of funds for Kwanzaa. As I understand you, the reason you go public on the dais against Columbus Day and not Kwanzaa is that you feel the full story about Columbus is not told. You think of him poorly. Let's put aside that I've alerted you to all the bad information we have about Columbus came from his arch-rival, De Bobadilla, whose claims were debunked back in his own time (yet resurrected today by those who wish American history was bad). We can argue that again next October. Right now I'm interested in your excuse for bashing just my culture as opposed to others. You say it is because we don't teach the bad parts of Columbus. Well, Ron Karenga the founder of Kwanzaa, was convicted of kidnapping and torturing two minority women, beating them with cords, putting hot irons in their mouths and making them drink detergent. A shocking display of misogyny, cowardice, power, lack of compassion and inhumane action (WWJD?). If your excuse for railing against Columbus each year is we should include his bad story in our Columbus celebration, why do you not rail with equal vigor that we include Dr. Karenga's horribleness in the Kwanzaa celebration? Please tell me
[AsburyPark] Re: Keady on Kwanza, Christmas and the City Budget
If everyone celebrates the event and it should be funded (if money is available). 4th of July - sure. Kwanza should be grouped with the rest of the December holidays for 1 big party. Happy Holidaze, Asbury Style! Columbus Day - How much does it really cost? How much money are we really talking about??? So far the Kwanza expense seems to be 50 pieces of copy paper. Is it really worth spending hours on this over $50? I think it better debate would be: How do we improve the image of Asbury Ave from the circle to Main street. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mark thanks first for joing the discussion. I see though as Mr. Keady took the time to highlight my grammatical error, you repeat it as well. You ask if I have facts to back up my question. I understand a statement to need to be backed up with facts, but isn't a question a request for facts? I'll try anyway to further the discussion. Upon repair of my grammatical error, the question is as follows: Would you also be opposed to public resources spent on the Pride Parade? I ask the question to further highlight that some cultural events are being funded (like Kwanzaa), while others are not (like Pride). It appears to me Asbury Park, which so emotionally shouts its worth through diversity and tolerance is actually making value judgments about groups and funding them (or in keady's case, railing against them from the dais) based upon judgments made about the group. How exceedingly intolerant. Mark I've given you the benefit of discussing your point. I hope you will reciprocate and discuss the varied treatment of Columbus Day, Kwanzaa, Pride and Chrsitmas by Mr. Keady and the rest of City government. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, mark07712 mark07712@ wrote: JR - You missed the councilman's question. Do you have any facts to back up your question Do you also opposed to public resources spent on the Pride Parade? Your grammar is a bit off here, but I get your point. As far as I recall, there were not public resources spent on the Pride Parade, it was an event that was financed by a non-profit entity and they applied for permits the same as any other outside group would. Do you have facts to the contrary? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, jwkeady james.keady@ wrote: Mr. Deseno, I never ceases to amaze me how someone like yourself, who makes their living in a profession that demands factual basis for argument, has such a disdain for accurate and truthful statements. Mr. Keady, must you start off personalizing? Speaking of, I note that twice you remark about my grammar in the post below. I've said many times I post here for leisure. I have jobs where grammar and spelling are important, and this isn't one of them. Also when I come across someone not to my own standard for grammar, never would I take him or her to task for it in public. I treat people with dignity and respect. Since it appears important to you though, should you ever wish to engage in a contest where proper grammar in writing is the score, just let me know when and where the game begins. Now on to substance. You said this: You wrote: So you don't think the City should expend any money on cultural events. I never said this. Please go back to my previous email and document where I made this statement. I was clear about religious and pseudo- religious events. I also was clear about why I took issue with a specific cultural event, Columbus Day. Oh I see, Mr. Keady. You hide your objection to Kwanzaa on quasi- religious. So you disagree with many on this board (as well as Ron Karenga's Kwanzaa website) that it is neither religious nor a replacement for religion. Fear not though - the folks on this board who see you in Messiah- like fashion will not score their disagreement against you. They will just use it as an excuse to rail at me at the mere thought of having to disagree with you. Religious vs Cultural aside, I understand you to stand against he City's expenditure of funds for Kwanzaa. As I understand you, the reason you go public on the dais against Columbus Day and not Kwanzaa is that you feel the full story about Columbus is not told. You think of him poorly. Let's put aside that I've alerted you to all the bad information we have about Columbus came from his arch-rival, De Bobadilla, whose claims were debunked back in his own time (yet resurrected today by those who wish American history was bad). We can argue that again
[AsburyPark] Computers stolen from Asbury Park school
Computers stolen from Asbury Park school BY NANCY SHIELDS COASTAL MONMOUTH BUREAU NOVEMBER 10, 2008 ASBURY PARK Two computers were stolen from an Asbury Park Middle School classroom early Saturday morning. Angel Kames, the bilingual and English as a Second Language math teacher, said authorities notified him at his Ocean Township home at 5:45 a.m. Saturday. He said a school alarm had sounded when someone broke into the trailer classroom where Kames teaches behind the school. He said his own computer with his lesson plans and a 19-inch screen was taken along with one of 10 student computers with a 15-inch screen. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Keady on Kwanza, Christmas and the City Budget
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, James Keady [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mr. Deseno: In a recent post to this list you wrote: For the same reason, Keady will bash Columbus Day and rage on (as he did last month again) about the use of public funds for a cultural holiday (Columbus Day) but stays silent on Kwanzaa. Once again, you exercise your less than scrupulous tactics, this time - judgment without query. Thank God our judicial system does not operate in the way that you do. Let me share with you how an adult looking for an answer to a legitimate question may have framed this. Mr. Deseno: Mr. Keady, in the past you have been outspoken about the use of public tax dollars for the City's Columbus Day event. I am curious to know if you have similar feelings about tax dollars being spent on the upcoming Kwanza celebration and for that matter the City spending money on any religious or pseudo-religious events? And I would have responded. First, let me be clear that my concern with the Asbury Park Columbus Day celebration is that it presents a sanitized version of history at best and outright lies at worst. As an educator, my concern was/is that public dollars were/are being spent to misinform our youth about Columbus' discovery of America. If however a private group would like to put on this event (ex. Knights of Columbus) I would both support and defend their right to do that. Second, since you raised the issue about Kwanza, let me share the following. I had a conversation with the City Manager about two weeks ago regarding this and expressed my concern that the City should NOT be paying for this event. While I do believe that the Kwanza event is a positive one for our community and our youth, I do not believe that taxpayer dollars should be spent on events like this. I also do not believe that taxpayer dollars should be spent on any Christmas celebrations either. These are religious or pseudo-religious holidays and spending tax dollars to support them does come dangerously close to violating the establishment clause. To keep these kinds of events going, and I do think they should be kept going, the City could/should help the organizers to find private dollars (Churches, Business Groups, etc.) to fund and promote these events. Now. Since we are talking about spending tax-payer dollars, this is an excellent time to explore a much broader discussion that this community MUST have. In light of the current fiscal crisis in our nation and the impact that that this crisis will have on municipal governments in both the short and long-term, we need to ask (and answer) the questions, What should we spend our tax dollars on? What should we cut from the budget if tax revenues decrease by 10%, 20%, etc.? I recommend that the City start with a clean sheet and put very directed questions to our citizens regarding budget line items and educate them on what each item will cost. Then, with this information in hand, the community can set spending priorities. For example: Do you want to keep the Police Department at its current staffing levels? If so, here is what that will cost (the City would provide a breakdown for every projected penny spent). Once there is consensus on what to spend, move on to the next item. For example: Do you want to keep the Department of Public Works and the Department of Engineering separate departments or should we merge them? If we merged them, here are the potential cost savings, potential increases in efficiency for delivery of services, etc. Once there is consensus on this, move on to the next item. I think you get the idea. I hope everyone is having a great start to the week. Peace, JWK Councilman James W. Keady 1 Municipal Plaza Asbury Park, NJ 07712 TEL: 732.502.5196 EM: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.cityofasburypark.com Hi Jim, Although I greatly appreciate your logical, sound reasoning, it only sets off rabid posters who obviously are just throwing out feigned outrage as bait to see if you, too, will wallow in their masturbatory exercise in auditioning as occasional replacements for Sean Hannity. You, Jim, have a productive life. They have no productive life or job for that matter. If they do belong to a profession, they surely practice it as well as Joe the Plumber plumbs. This is like cyber-crack to them. Just as in actual crackheads, even a charitable dollar's worth of sense will only add to their hopped up misery. And you know what misery loves, don't you Jim? Stay on guard lest you, too, feel compelled to pick up that cyber-pipe. It is tempting to respond to every ludicrous piece of spoiled bait they toss out. Avoid the temptation. This group has devolved into what we Catholics called an occasion of sin because, if not vigilant, one gets
[AsburyPark] Re: Keady on Kwanza, Christmas and the City Budget
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, mark07712 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If everyone celebrates the event That's the standard? EVERYONE has to celebrate it? I don't thin we would have any. and it should be funded (if money is available). 4th of July - sure. Kwanza should be grouped with the rest of the December holidays for 1 big party. Happy Holidaze, Asbury Style! Columbus Day - How much does it really cost? How much money are we really talking about??? So far the Kwanza expense seems to be 50 pieces of copy paper. Is it really worth spending hours on this over $50? Would it kill you to say you disagree with Mr. Keady entirely? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Thanks
Thank you. In a message dated 11/10/2008 12:23:47 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Your decorations always look great. Couldn't believe I saw some guys putting up Winter, oops, Christmas, decorations last weekend in OG. **AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. Search Now. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1212792382x1200798498/aol?redir=http://searchblog.aol.com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear0001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: New file uploaded to AsburyPark
I couldn't open it. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com wrote: Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the AsburyPark group. File: /WernerAPNJ/App.com-Light Pollution Uploaded by : wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] Description : AP Press Article - Outdoor Light Pollution You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/files/WernerAPNJ/App.com-Light%20Pollution To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.htmlfiles Regards, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Official!
Maybe it is their attitude. Do you want soemone answering your phone or communicating with your clients with a nasty attitude? --- On Fri, 11/7/08, sharon_b283 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: sharon_b283 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Official! To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, November 7, 2008, 8:40 AM Guess who benefitted from Affirmative Action? White women and Asians! Blacks can barely get a promotion or job, because these 2 groups ride on our backs, oh and also West Indians that look Black but when tell you in a New York minute, that THEY have a country, be it Haiti, Jamaica or Trinidad, by way of Brooklyn! --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Rock Musician [EMAIL PROTECTED] . wrote: Really It Is NOT. It is very serious. The Racism situation is up to Obama now. He has to declare everyone as equal. Obama has to get rid of Affirmative Action. If he does that then he will be famous for Equality. If he does nothing including addressing any racist group actions , then he will be known as a RACIST. _ _ __ From: Jersey Shore John jerseyshorejohn@ ... To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com Sent: Thursday, November 6, 2008 7:32:02 AM Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Official! Yeah. Racism is hysterical. Ha. Ha. On Nov 6, 2008, at 5:56 AM, Rock Musician wrote: Well first ting Obama be doin, be intraduecin Ghettonomicsto merica. Plan be dis 1) learn how to fist... man you aint noin where the mans hand was bifore you be shackin it so fist it. 2) Tax everybody .. ya know i be here now so fuc~ everybody just tax da shit outta anyone workin. 3) give the money to my illegal aunt an her friends. 4) get da rest of da money to my terrorist budies. 5) get the terrorists the locations of all merican nuc weapons sites. 6) dis arm Mericans, to make a takeover easyier. 7) teach any hard worker to bend over and give his or her backdoor away to anyone i say. 8) start advertizin for da new Merican language. somin like dis ... And you to can learn to read my new plan for Merica. Just send check or money order to Bamaphonics . unless you be on welfare den you get it for free das right free. Well, Can we joke around or its this going to offend someone. Really its only a kiddding lighten up fun. _ _ __ From: oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] com To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 5, 2008 4:23:11 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Official! --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: That's ridiculous. From what I understand, that money is going to be used to improve healthcare, improve our energy independence and responsibility, fix our broken education systems and on and on. . Let's get back to Asbury Park related topics. money does not fix a broken education system (all the time) There. That's Asbury related. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Here Is An Asbury Park Discussion!
Jr: Don't say that. It all goes back to the 80's when everyone was trying to be PC! Oak, I'll bet you have a great time at your house! I always look back, to see where I'm going. Like I said, I celebrate everything! Some I don't even understand, but that which I do, I glorify in it. Merry Christmas, Happy Hannukah and Happy Kwanzaa, everyone! I don't mind if I see a Menorah lit up in a public square. It means you are celebrating SOMETHING! After what Americans have been through, we need to celebrate something! While we're at it, let's remember those in this group, who have passed on in the past 2 years. I really miss them! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: And I got lucky, I go both ways - since I married a nice german catholic girl. SO it's Christmas and Hanukkah. Not in Asbury it isn't. They frown on your wife's catholicism and her Christmas holiday. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Testing Him Already
Keep the racial thing going Sharon. Start calling people Oreos now. When are you going to come out and just say you hate this country for holding you down? You can't shine their shoes and they aren't good enough for you especially Colin Powell. Where is he in Obama's team? I don't see any change just members of Jimmy Carter and Clinton's re-tread team. More of the same nothing changed here! --- On Fri, 11/7/08, sharon_b283 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: sharon_b283 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Testing Him Already To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, November 7, 2008, 8:19 AM I'm confident that this and other challenges dumped in his lap, by the rogues in the White House for the last 8 years, will be handled with diplomacy. Comments congratulating Obama, from Dubya and Condi, are a day late and a pound short! There's nothing like an educated fool! In the Black community, she's a sellout and a disgrace to all Black Americans. To follow Gen. Powell, was like Clarence Thomas following Thurgood Marshall! Black in skin ONLY! --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ ... wrote: http://tinyurl. com/5kkjnc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Official!
Yeah like that will ever happen --- On Fri, 11/7/08, Rock Musician [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Rock Musician [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Official! To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, November 7, 2008, 6:35 AM Really It Is NOT. It is very serious. The Racism situation is up to Obama now. He has to declare everyone as equal. Obama has to get rid of Affirmative Action. If he does that then he will be famous for Equality. If he does nothing including addressing any racist group actions , then he will be known as a RACIST. _ _ __ From: Jersey Shore John jerseyshorejohn@ earthlink. net To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com Sent: Thursday, November 6, 2008 7:32:02 AM Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Official! Yeah. Racism is hysterical. Ha. Ha. On Nov 6, 2008, at 5:56 AM, Rock Musician wrote: Well first ting Obama be doin, be intraduecin Ghettonomicsto merica. Plan be dis 1) learn how to fist... man you aint noin where the mans hand was bifore you be shackin it so fist it. 2) Tax everybody .. ya know i be here now so fuc~ everybody just tax da shit outta anyone workin. 3) give the money to my illegal aunt an her friends. 4) get da rest of da money to my terrorist budies. 5) get the terrorists the locations of all merican nuc weapons sites. 6) dis arm Mericans, to make a takeover easyier. 7) teach any hard worker to bend over and give his or her backdoor away to anyone i say. 8) start advertizin for da new Merican language. somin like dis ... And you to can learn to read my new plan for Merica. Just send check or money order to Bamaphonics . unless you be on welfare den you get it for free das right free. Well, Can we joke around or its this going to offend someone. Really its only a kiddding lighten up fun. _ _ __ From: oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] com To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 5, 2008 4:23:11 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Official! --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's ridiculous. From what I understand, that money is going to be used to improve healthcare, improve our energy independence and responsibility, fix our broken education systems and on and on. . Let's get back to Asbury Park related topics. money does not fix a broken education system (all the time) There. That's Asbury related. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Councilman Ed Johnson's Election Night Party
Wait until Obama Reality grips residents --- On Thu, 11/6/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [AsburyPark] Councilman Ed Johnson's Election Night Party To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, November 6, 2008, 8:13 PM Obama Fever Grips Residents http://thecoaster. net/wordpress/ 2008/11/06/ obama-fever- grips-residents/ By PAUL BOOTH Like Senator Barack Obama¢s campaign for the presidency, Asbury Park City Councilman Ed Johnson¢s Election Night party at Cameo Bar started slowly and built to a crescendo. People filed into the Main Street pub starting at around 7:30 p.m., and election results started trickling in soon after. A buffet lined the back wall, but the pro-Obama crowd was too nervous to eat. To calm their nerves they mostly took seats at the bar, eyes riveted on the flat screen televisions in front of them. The night started with a declaration for John McCain. Our first state has been called, the television (tuned to either CNN or MSNBC but never FOX News) announced. Kentucky goes for John McCain. A collective groan rose from the crowd. It was growing antsy from nervous excitement and clearly wanted a reason to cheer. Aw, he can have it, a woman at the bar declared defiantly with a dismissive wave of her wrist. It would be her mantra for the remainder of the evening any time a state fell into the McCain camp. A short time later Obama was given Vermont, and the Electoral Vote count held at 8-3 in favor of McCain. Then, it happened, what everyone in the room had been waiting for all night, some all their lives, to see. Like a domino effect, Obama victories in states throughout the northeast splashed across the screen. New Jersey goes to Barack Obama, the television announced, and a roar went over the crowd. Nine other states would follow New Jersey¢s lead and the crowd at Cameo shifted from quiet nervousness to emotional glee. In the rear of the bar, All American DJ Dru was spinning Ain¢t No Stooping us Now. I'm a first time voter, and I really got involved, said Lorenzo Smith an Asbury Park resident who was present at the event. Smith, 40, registered himself three months ago and also got other people to register. Smith mentioned the economy as one main reason for getting so deeply involved in this election, but this is an historic moment, he said, and definitely electing us a black president would do us some justice. The bar was becoming a buzz of excitement, of people on the verge of realizing a dream. Ed Johnson said Caroline Kennedy, daughter of John F. Kennedy summed up his and many other people¢s feelings best. She said she never could relate to people who came up to her and said how much her father meant to them and how much hope he gave them until she met Barack Obama, and that¢s how I feel, Johnson said. At a victory party on Grand Avenue in Asbury Park Obama supporters left the TV and went out into the street cheering after they heard the news Obama won. Neptune Mayor Randy Bishop, a Democrat who was celebrating the victory of fellow Democrat Kevin McMillan in Neptune, said he was very pleased with the outcome of the national election. I am very excited about what this says about our country looking to the future. As Obama said, we are not just Republicans or Democrats but are a group of people faced with many challenges. I believe Obama is the right person to help us all to realize the dream that is America, he said. Bishop said he was concerned many times that voter apathy or over confidence would upset the election against Obama. I was so heartened here in Neptune as I went to polling places and saw the voter turnout and the spirit of the people voting. I knew I was witnessing something big and important, he said. Back at the Cameo when the news outlets called Pennsylvania and, a short time later, Ohio for Obama, the crowd knew the end was near, but almost struck with fear from what they had seen in the past two elections, kept their celebrations rather muted. I'll be more relaxed when Florida or Virginia goes to Obama, said Tabitha Terry, who took her daughter to vote for the first time on Tuesday. But I've seen what¢s happened in the past elections, these things can be something else. It appeared now that 2008 would be no repeat of the previous two presidential elections and that this one had started down it¢s destined course. Very superstitious, Stevie Wonder sang to the crowd, who for one night allowed themselves to forget the past and dream of the future. The writing¢s on the wall. Read more about your town by picking up The Coaster at your local newsstand or _subscribe today_ (http://thecoaster. net/wordpress/ subscribe- to-the-coaster/) . **AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. Search Now. (http://pr.atwola. com/promoclk/ 10075x121279 2382x1200798498/ aol?redir= http://searchblo g.aol.com/
[AsburyPark] Re: Keady on Kwanza, Christmas and the City Budget
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycheech [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Jim, Although I greatly appreciate your logical, sound reasoning, it only sets off rabid posters who obviously are just throwing out feigned outrage as bait to see if you, too, will wallow in their masturbatory exercise in auditioning as occasional replacements for Sean Hannity. You, Jim, have a productive life. They have no productive life or job for that matter. If they do belong to a profession, they surely practice it as well as Joe the Plumber plumbs. This is like cyber-crack to them. Just as in actual crackheads, even a charitable dollar's worth of sense will only add to their hopped up misery. And you know what misery loves, don't you Jim? Stay on guard lest you, too, feel compelled to pick up that cyber-pipe. It is tempting to respond to every ludicrous piece of spoiled bait they toss out. Avoid the temptation. This group has devolved into what we Catholics called an occasion of sin because, if not vigilant, one gets entangled in Satanic snares known all too well to Fox News devotees. You, Jim, will never get the last word in no matter how comprehensive or well-reasoned your response. You will only have rung a Pavlovian bell for the baiters, masters that they are. Surely they must stare bleary-eyed into their monitors night and day ready to pounce at the first sign of attention you show them. Frankly, I am surprised that the sheer volume of saliva elicited in them by your reasonable responses does not short circuit their computers, since they are ever at the ready to listen for that faintest tinkle. I'd like to say to the time-devourers out there: Get a life. But that would only educe in them the chub they so richly desire. Frank Keep the Gov't Out of Religion and v.v. D'Alessandro An Apostle speaks. He prayed that his Messiah's drive by answer would work:(Keady says: Here's my answer Tom and I won't post anymore because I don't want to face the response that proves me wrong). The Apostle can't bear reading my response to his Savior bearing fruit that proves he goes after Italians, the group of lesser votes, but applies not the same standard to Blacks of greater votes. The ultimate prejudice and pander exposed. Unequal treatment of two groups, under exactly the same situation. Racial bias from the titular head of Asbury Park's claims of unity and diversity. No surprise to me. The Apostle's entire personalized post about me is not addressed to me, rather to someone else. To whom should I address my response? To you of course, Frank. But I won't attack you as a person, as you have done to me. To ask you to sound off on the issue, your Messiah's hypocrisy, would be too much to ask I'm sure, so I won't. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Here Is An Asbury Park Discussion!
Great web site! Thanks! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Not in Asbury it isn't. They frown on your wife's catholicism and her Christmas holiday. Well if they do, that's their problem. If it's obvious, I might not spend a dime in their place - or I will and not pay any attention to their problem. Culture. Everyone should know someone else's culture. Check it out: http://www.cushcity.com/santa101.htm Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Madam Marie or Ouija?
Now how would you respond if someone said Michelle Obama was a pig? The first to scream racist is a racist herself. --- On Thu, 11/6/08, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Madam Marie or Ouija? To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, November 6, 2008, 11:48 AM --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, sharon_b283 sharon_b283@ ... wrote: We don't loathe them! They're both Dumb and Dumber! She IS a pig wearing lipstick and he's just a PIG! Palin is a woman. Somehow, she made it to the top. Somehow, she can't be a total idiot. Ed Koch was on the radio a couple weeks ago and someone asked him of her and I think he responded something like ...listen, anyone that has risen to that level...has skill..administrati ve etc...there are only 50 people in the US ELECTED to the level of Gov, she is one...give credit where it need be... I'm sure I didn't get the entire message. The point being, she is a woman how has somehow risen to where she is - say it was her looks, she's a bitch etc. No one has said she slept around. If she was an african-american women as gov or vp choice one owuld guess it would be different. A woman, under state and federal laws is genrally considered a minority in terms of bidding on state and federal contracts. That's why many gov contracts are issued to minority owned businesses - 51% owned by a woman or african american or other class. So if she is caribou barbie or not she has/had something that got her where she is - like OBama has something that got him where he is and he won - whites, blacks, hispanic etc educated, uneducated etc. I married one tough woman woman as well. Pop taught her how to hunt, fish, ride a motorcycle etc. Most people who know her if stuck somewhere and needed to survive would be happy to have her there. For some reason, when we were adrift on a tiny sunfish off the coast of mexico and land was getting tiny, she was jumping off and going to swim in. I was just going to drift off. Good thing we were saved by a passing boat I'd rather be with a caribou barbie any day of the week vs some other ding bat that only knows how to shop or bitch about her hair or nails. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Keady on Kwanza, Christmas and the City Budget
I think you missed the point! July 4th came BEFORE the bottom fell out of our economy! I'll argue this point though, the snowflakes that light up on the utility poles are up now, 2 weeks! Christmas, YES, Kwanzaa, NO? I'll bet there'll be a tree lighting, too! Not a problem! Bradley Beach has a tree, menorah and a Nativity scene. No Kwanzaa anything! I have no idea what Neptune has beside a lit tree. Ocean Township either but in Allenhurst, the same as Bradley Beach. Kwanzaa for me, is a personal celebration. Kwanzaa was a creation to allow African Americans to celebrate the Black Family, where small inexpensive gifts are presented and the 7 principles are focused on. No more, no less! The Kinara sits on my dining room table with 3 red, 3 green and a black candle in the center. Liberation colors. Since we don't know the region of Africa, we were taken from, those colors celebrate the red for our blood, the green is for hope and the black is for our color, created by Marcus Garvey. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you for the response, Councilman Keady. So you don't think the City should expend any money on cultural events. Thank you for clearing that up. I note it is only the Columbus Day celebration which you publically oppose (with great vigor I might ad, including props). Why not support them all with such vigor? By the way, you march in the Fourth of July parade. That is also a cultural celebration. Why the exception? Do you also opposed to public resources spent on the Pride Parade? Finally - where is your stance on the City scubbing all mention of the word Christmas from its celebrations? For or opposed? In that line: Isn't Christmas a cultural part of America, and has been so for many, many years? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, James Keady james.keady@ wrote: Mr. Deseno: In a recent post to this list you wrote: For the same reason, Keady will bash Columbus Day and rage on (as he did last month again) about the use of public funds for a cultural holiday (Columbus Day) but stays silent on Kwanzaa. Once again, you exercise your less than scrupulous tactics, this time - judgment without query. Thank God our judicial system does not operate in the way that you do. Let me share with you how an adult looking for an answer to a legitimate question may have framed this. Mr. Deseno: Mr. Keady, in the past you have been outspoken about the use of public tax dollars for the City's Columbus Day event. I am curious to know if you have similar feelings about tax dollars being spent on the upcoming Kwanza celebration and for that matter the City spending money on any religious or pseudo-religious events? And I would have responded. First, let me be clear that my concern with the Asbury Park Columbus Day celebration is that it presents a sanitized version of history at best and outright lies at worst. As an educator, my concern was/is that public dollars were/are being spent to misinform our youth about Columbus' discovery of America. If however a private group would like to put on this event (ex. Knights of Columbus) I would both support and defend their right to do that. Second, since you raised the issue about Kwanza, let me share the following. I had a conversation with the City Manager about two weeks ago regarding this and expressed my concern that the City should NOT be paying for this event. While I do believe that the Kwanza event is a positive one for our community and our youth, I do not believe that taxpayer dollars should be spent on events like this. I also do not believe that taxpayer dollars should be spent on any Christmas celebrations either. These are religious or pseudo-religious holidays and spending tax dollars to support them does come dangerously close to violating the establishment clause. To keep these kinds of events going, and I do think they should be kept going, the City could/should help the organizers to find private dollars (Churches, Business Groups, etc.) to fund and promote these events. Now. Since we are talking about spending tax-payer dollars, this is an excellent time to explore a much broader discussion that this community MUST have. In light of the current fiscal crisis in our nation and the impact that that this crisis will have on municipal governments in both the short and long-term, we need to ask (and answer) the questions, What should we spend our tax dollars on? What should we cut from the budget if tax revenues decrease by 10%, 20%, etc.? I recommend that the City start with a clean sheet and put very directed questions to our citizens regarding budget line items and educate them
[AsburyPark] Re: Here Is An Asbury Park Discussion!
I don't think you're being sensitive at all! I agree wholeheartedly that Christmas celebrates the birth of Christ and above all the gifts, food, etc., I hold on to the true meaning of the day set aside by the Church, to celebrate Christmas, nothing else! Kwanzaa can be celebrated in June, when the slaves learned that word of the Emancipation Proclamation, meant we were no longer bound by slavery. We celebrate it to take the emphasis off the commercialization of Christmas. We are a so-called Christian Nation, but until racial hatred and bigotry are a thing of the past, I'll celebrate everyone's difference, whatever it is. E Pluribus Unum; out of many, ONE! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sharon_b283 sharon_b283@ wrote: Jr: Don't say that. It all goes back to the 80's when everyone was trying to be PC! Well Sharon, the 80's was 20 years ago. We should know enough now not to eclipse the culture of others as opposed to embracing it. To deliberate remove the name Christmas from a Christmas celebration is insulting. Sure some will say I'm being too sensitive, overstating it or sarcastically call me victim. Perhaps you can relate to what effect those claims will have on me in the face of prejudice. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Keady on Kwanza, Christmas and the City Budget
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sharon_b283 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think you missed the point! July 4th came BEFORE the bottom fell out of our economy! I'll argue this point though, the snowflakes that light up on the utility poles are up now, 2 weeks! Christmas, YES, Kwanzaa, NO? I'll bet there'll be a tree lighting, too! Not a problem! Bradley Beach has a tree, menorah and a Nativity scene. No Kwanzaa anything! I have no idea what Neptune has beside a lit tree. Ocean Township either but in Allenhurst, the same as Bradley Beach. Kwanzaa for me, is a personal celebration. Kwanzaa was a creation to allow African Americans to celebrate the Black Family, where small inexpensive gifts are presented and the 7 principles are focused on. No more, no less! The Kinara sits on my dining room table with 3 red, 3 green and a black candle in the center. Liberation colors. Since we don't know the region of Africa, we were taken from, those colors celebrate the red for our blood, the green is for hope and the black is for our color, created by Marcus Garvey. The Kwanzaa celebration sounds very personal to you Sharon. So important that others should be respectful of it - allow it to you. Allow your community to celebrate with you. We should be tolerant and gentle with that for sure. Now imagine a councilman who is not. Imagine him yelling, veins bulging with hate from the dais, demonizing and demoralizing what you hold dear. Intolerance x 10. Imagine him supporting a non-profit that also says, We will take the accutrements fo Kwanzaa, but we declare the very name of it damaged and damaging, and will not use it. Honestly, would you feel put upon? Would you feel better or worse should the response to your complaints be to minimize you further? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Keady on Kwanza, Christmas and the City Budget
Now this is treatment of you, personally? Oy. On Nov 10, 2008, at 5:09 PM, justifiedright wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Whaa I'll recall these sage words the next time you fell strongly about treatment of you by someone. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Keady on Kwanza, Christmas and the City Budget
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now this is treatment of you, personally? Oy. As an American taking part in the Columbus Day celebration whom Keady calls liars, certainly. He was talking about me. As a Christian listening to a non-profit declare the word Christmas as bad, certainly. It's my identity and culture under attack. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Keady on Kwanza, Christmas and the City Budget
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sharon_b283 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...and a Fava bean to keep in my coin purse. Legend has it that a Catholic woman with a .Fava bean in her purse will never be broke... There's the answer. What's really amazing is the extent the people kill themselves to give to their kids during the holiday season and more or less threaten them if you're not good...no presents... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Keady on Kwanza, Christmas and the City Budget
http://www.amazon.com/Lies-Teacher-About-Christopher- Columbus/dp/1565840089 my daughter was around 14 when she realized I was the easter bunny. She put two and two together and realized the can of coke came from her easter basket - that I was drinking the day before easter... hopefully no kids are reading this...but did you ever notice santa comes in all different colors, shapes and sizes and there could be one in every mall or street corner in NYC??? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Keady on Kwanza, Christmas and the City Budget
Christmas is German. On Nov 10, 2008, at 5:30 PM, justifiedright wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now this is treatment of you, personally? Oy. As an American taking part in the Columbus Day celebration whom Keady calls liars, certainly. He was talking about me. As a Christian listening to a non-profit declare the word Christmas as bad, certainly. It's my identity and culture under attack. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Keady on Kwanza, Christmas and the City Budget
--- I just left wegman's. All those christmas trees in the lobby. All those christmas things for sale. Nothing for Hanukkah. We keep it simple. Easy chicken parm dinner. Weg's chicken, Weg's tomato basil sauce (ap related) (.99) and already shredded mozz. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Keady on Kwanza, Christmas and the City Budget
It is my culture too. It was probably more the booze than Christianity. --- On Mon, 11/10/08, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Keady on Kwanza, Christmas and the City Budget To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, November 10, 2008, 6:39 PM Christianity destroyed my Irish culture in Ireland, so... whatever. On Nov 10, 2008, at 6:19 PM, Jersey Shore John wrote: Christmas is German. On Nov 10, 2008, at 5:30 PM, justifiedright wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Jersey Shore John jerseyshorejohn@ ... wrote: Now this is treatment of you, personally? Oy. As an American taking part in the Columbus Day celebration whom Keady calls liars, certainly. He was talking about me. As a Christian listening to a non-profit declare the word Christmas as bad, certainly. It's my identity and culture under attack. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Keady on Kwanza, Christmas and the City Budget
Christianity destroyed my Irish culture in Ireland, so... whatever. On Nov 10, 2008, at 6:19 PM, Jersey Shore John wrote: Christmas is German. On Nov 10, 2008, at 5:30 PM, justifiedright wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now this is treatment of you, personally? Oy. As an American taking part in the Columbus Day celebration whom Keady calls liars, certainly. He was talking about me. As a Christian listening to a non-profit declare the word Christmas as bad, certainly. It's my identity and culture under attack. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: So how about those beachfront lights?
Mark, I think (and I don't know for sure) that the idea is to get lighting that is for safety AND all the good things Werner knows about. Like someone else mentioned it is probably past that point, but there are places and people all over the place doing creative and visionary things. Werner know about them. Do you really feel that unsafe here? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, mark07712 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Until the crime goes down in AP, I say Light Up the City! I know when I park in the lots; I try and park under the brightest light. Bright lights make me feel safe when I can see who/what is lurking around. Werner you can say all evidence points to this not being true, but it is how I feel. I avoid parking on dark streets. Asbury just isn't there yet to dim the lights. And trust me I like dim lights; I tried getting a dimmer for my fridge once. However, the Berkley one is crazy. When I saw that thing lit up, I walked down to the beach to see what was going on. Maybe it's another marketing ploy to get people to the beachfront? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: How about the absurd amount of electricity the city is using while lighting areas that aren't in use? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, rzick1 rzick1@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernerapnj@ wrote: Mr. Right makes the query of lighting. Clearly a word play in an attempt to belittle a serious topic that effects Asbury Park. I have refrained from discussions since they appear to be fruitless the past several weeks, however, I will take this bait and trolling tactic. Most recently the Berkeley Hotel installed a flood light on top of its SE wing which is the latest example of excess. This particular fixture glares all the way to Grand Avenue and beyond. It is visible from Main Street which is approximately a half mile away. This latest affront to proper design adds to the already established industrial ambiance apparently so desired by our conscientious developers. Glare, energy waste, dark-sky degradation, over lighting, aesthetics... all legitimate concerns that receive no attention and spiral out of control. I've about given up hope that the obvious negative impacts will ever be acknowledged. Asbury Park would be a better place if attention to all aspects of design and development were considered. Instead contentment is found in making 'light' of the subject and berating the messenger. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/files/WernerAPNJ/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/41066 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/40668 Werner, I couldn't agree with you more about the light pollution from the Berkeley. I live on the block North of the Berkeley on Sixth Avenue (North Beach). A few months ago, they installed industrial lighting on the North side of the hotel which shines directly into my bedroom windows. I've contacted and spoke with Bill Gray and Angel Milette in code enforcement and Barbara Van Wagner in Planning/Zoning for the City. The light continues to shine in my windows. Any thoughts on how I can get the lights turned off? Many thanks, Bob Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Keady on Kwanza, Christmas and the City Budget
People do love to hate you Tommy, but I think you like it too. simple questions would have avoided the banter, which was pretty funny and gave me a great belly laugh. I think it would have been more fair for you to address the entire council on this at a meeting. You'd never see any of the other councilmen responding here. Keady is no messiah to me, but his continuous efforts at outreach and his attention to transparency are precisely what governments need. As well as the citizens to pay attention. For those of you who love to hate Tommy, and I admit he is a baiter, Tommy is not way off in this if in fact the word Christmas has been somehow banned from city usage. Jews would flip, African Americans would flip and Gay people would flip. PC paranoia can make people lean toward fascism just as the right does. Watch that the oppressee in you is not becoming the oppressor. Get over your tribal self. If you have questioned Columbus day you must tolerate questions of Kwanzaa. Did that guy really do that? I will look it up. If anyone knows this to be untrue please speak. Tommy, human beings are violent creatures. We are getting better all the time and there is no need to deny colonization was ugly. You can still celebrate America and tell a little more of the truth about it. I know it has ugliness AND beauty, just like everyone of us. Jim's suggestion for going over items line by line would, I think force all this energy into something more productive and free from personalizing (which should be called ego baiting). Probably be interesting as well. That way we could actually know what is being spent on these events, if anything. I really did enjoy reading this thread. Tommy and Jim's intelligence and frat boy spats, the gang up on Tommy, Franks funny visuals, Sharon's description of Kwanzaa made me teary, Oakdorf's hilarious interjections and the grunts from jersy john, mike and jack..BTW Jack, Tommy got you on that. Really funny. Much better than anyone else's story. I need to express my genuine affection and gratitude for this community and it is the thankful season. So thank you! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Mike Hemeon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is my culture too. It was probably more the booze than Christianity. --- On Mon, 11/10/08, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Keady on Kwanza, Christmas and the City Budget To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, November 10, 2008, 6:39 PM Christianity destroyed my Irish culture in Ireland, so... whatever. On Nov 10, 2008, at 6:19 PM, Jersey Shore John wrote: Christmas is German. On Nov 10, 2008, at 5:30 PM, justifiedright wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Jersey Shore John jerseyshorejohn@ ... wrote: Now this is treatment of you, personally? Oy. As an American taking part in the Columbus Day celebration whom Keady calls liars, certainly. He was talking about me. As a Christian listening to a non-profit declare the word Christmas as bad, certainly. It's my identity and culture under attack. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
