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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 Seems like the people upset with Jim is getting to be a pretty 
 diverse group.  Can they all be wrong?
 
 Any thought at all that maybe he isn't conducting himself very 
well?


Glad you asked. Firstly, I read the article. Seems like he is in the 
clear and had permission. If the schools did not internally follow 
protocol, well.

Greater wrongs have been done by public officials in AP and there 
has been NO outcry from anyone except the appointed naysayers. 
Groups like the UEZ, etc., have remained mute while councilmembers 
have lied in print and public meetings. Said nothing while accepted 
redevelopment plans were ignored and voided. I could go on. All who 
drink at the trough of City Hall put their hands over their 
collective mouths, eyes and ears because it was deemed the greater 
good by their masters.

Don't think I do not know how far the influence of Loffredo and 
Bruno goes in this city. You yourself don't say what you know is 
wrong in public because of it, although you have said it at times in 
private (BTW, I expect your GUMBA article to be here today if not in 
TCN).

Keady was considered a great guy by many as he spoke against eminent 
domain, tried to save buildings and to get Partners to move their 
asses.

What went wrong? Well, he started to speak about serving the poor, 
the downtrodden. The claims against Keady have been posted right 
here all along. A diverse group - those against him politically - 
and others, such as those with real estate interests - brokers, 
agents, owners, etc., join opinion with you that he will make this 
city nothing but soup kitchens and homeless shelters if he had his 
way. Weren't those your words?

That is his crime. The fear is that he will keep this town down and 
reduce our property values. Didn't Allan come right out and say that?

And so, you get people who have influence on official boards to join 
the fray. Doesn't matter what the facts are, as along as there is an 
opportunity to criticize him. It is clear that the powers that be, 
both inside and outside of City Hall, want Keady gone.

Keady's announcement of what he is doing in his official capacity is 
interpreted as grandstanding instead of being accepted as it is 
given - fulfilling his obligation to keep his constituents apprised.

He is proactive. Thank God. The group that has mobilized against him 
are a bunch of cheerleaders. Everything is show,parades, fireworks, 
faux landings of lost explorers,etc. Tom, next Columbus Day take 
your show to Howell. Let yourkids participate there where they live 
and go to school.

I won't criticize the School Board because I don't know everything 
and I know there are good people in it. But reading about events 
over the past few years and the ongoing performance of the schools, 
I would say that Bob DiSanto and the board have their hands full. 
There is plenty of blame to go around concerning the schools. They 
should be addressing more important matters than Keady visiting the 
school. It all seems a bit heavy-handed and a coincidence on the 
heels of the UEZ letter.

I would say that all of our councilman and mayor, and city manager, 
should have considered visiting the school in the wake of the 
shootings. But I don't think I would want Bruno talking to my kids.

It is time for people to wake up. Keady is not going to do anything 
to reduce our property values. They are more in danger of declining 
due to the potential failure of the redevelopment and Partners 
continual postponement of the waterfront restoration.

A lot of people (real estate people) made a lot of money in this 
town over the past few years. I see their hand in this. Shame on you 
all.





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Keady Blog

2006-11-09 Thread oakdorf

---keady should keep his ass right where it is - on the council. So 
he talked to the kids. Big f'in deal. How many times is it more 
interesting to hear someone else then the same droll from a teacher. 
Kind of like career day. There was noting more interesting in college 
then having an adjunct vs a career professor. Put down those books 
and let me tell you how it is...then read your book.

Hey I jumped on Jim a few years back for being well read. 

He is learning the facts of life of those that live it everyday, not 
running from it. 

So I took a couple guys around AP the other day to look at homes etc. 
Spent 6 hours with them. I gave them the real tour. We discussed the 
shootings, crime, redevelopment, the lack of offices (day workers for 
commercial day traffic), lack of parking, the impact of new 
developments on existing home prices and condos, the recongized Allan 
and Suzi having a shop around the corner from them in NYC, Springwood 
Ave, the Sewer plant on the Ocean, eminent domain, JErsey gardens, 
the metropolitan and on. So know theya re focusing on the east side.

Given all the facts (sales history, development,risks,comps) they are 
looking at AP and comparing to long branch and other shore towns 
before they plunk down a million on one or more homes or a commercial 
project.

I also told them to read this board and tom's column in thr tri for 
entertainment.




 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Keady Blog

So you really are making the case that Jim Keady is right and the 
rest of the City is wrong.

Says alot.




--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright 
 justifiedright@ wrote:
 
  
  Seems like the people upset with Jim is getting to be a pretty 
  diverse group.  Can they all be wrong?
  
  Any thought at all that maybe he isn't conducting himself very 
 well?
 
 
 Glad you asked. Firstly, I read the article. Seems like he is in 
the 
 clear and had permission. If the schools did not internally follow 
 protocol, well.
 
 Greater wrongs have been done by public officials in AP and 
there 
 has been NO outcry from anyone except the appointed naysayers. 
 Groups like the UEZ, etc., have remained mute while councilmembers 
 have lied in print and public meetings. Said nothing while 
accepted 
 redevelopment plans were ignored and voided. I could go on. All 
who 
 drink at the trough of City Hall put their hands over their 
 collective mouths, eyes and ears because it was deemed 
the greater 
 good by their masters.
 
 Don't think I do not know how far the influence of Loffredo and 
 Bruno goes in this city. You yourself don't say what you know is 
 wrong in public because of it, although you have said it at times 
in 
 private (BTW, I expect your GUMBA article to be here today if not 
in 
 TCN).
 
 Keady was considered a great guy by many as he spoke against 
eminent 
 domain, tried to save buildings and to get Partners to move their 
 asses.
 
 What went wrong? Well, he started to speak about serving the poor, 
 the downtrodden. The claims against Keady have been posted right 
 here all along. A diverse group - those against him politically - 
 and others, such as those with real estate interests - brokers, 
 agents, owners, etc., join opinion with you that he will make this 
 city nothing but soup kitchens and homeless shelters if he had his 
 way. Weren't those your words?
 
 That is his crime. The fear is that he will keep this town down 
and 
 reduce our property values. Didn't Allan come right out and say 
that?
 
 And so, you get people who have influence on official boards to 
join 
 the fray. Doesn't matter what the facts are, as along as there is 
an 
 opportunity to criticize him. It is clear that the powers that be, 
 both inside and outside of City Hall, want Keady gone.
 
 Keady's announcement of what he is doing in his official capacity 
is 
 interpreted as grandstanding instead of being accepted as it is 
 given - fulfilling his obligation to keep his constituents 
apprised.
 
 He is proactive. Thank God. The group that has mobilized against 
him 
 are a bunch of cheerleaders. Everything is show,parades, 
fireworks, 
 faux landings of lost explorers,etc. Tom, next Columbus Day take 
 your show to Howell. Let yourkids participate there where they 
live 
 and go to school.
 
 I won't criticize the School Board because I don't know everything 
 and I know there are good people in it. But reading about events 
 over the past few years and the ongoing performance of the 
schools, 
 I would say that Bob DiSanto and the board have their hands full. 
 There is plenty of blame to go around concerning the schools. They 
 should be addressing more important matters than Keady visiting 
the 
 school. It all seems a bit heavy-handed and a coincidence on the 
 heels of the UEZ letter.
 
 I would say that all of our councilman and mayor, and city 
manager, 
 should have considered visiting the school in the wake of the 
 shootings. But I don't think I would want Bruno talking to my kids.
 
 It is time for people to wake up. Keady is not going to do 
anything 
 to reduce our property values. They are more in danger of 
declining 
 due to the potential failure of the redevelopment and Partners 
 continual postponement of the waterfront restoration.
 
 A lot of people (real estate people) made a lot of money in this 
 town over the past few years. I see their hand in this. Shame on 
you 
 all.






 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Keady Blog

Why is TS focusing so much on JK?
Shouldn't the major issue of the moment be moving AP in a better direction, 
fighting 
crime, getting the redevelopment under control and paying attention to the west 
side...not 
just the east?

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 So you really are making the case that Jim Keady is right and the 
 rest of the City is wrong.
 
 Says alot.
 
 
 
 
 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote:
 
  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright 
  justifiedright@ wrote:
  
   
   Seems like the people upset with Jim is getting to be a pretty 
   diverse group.  Can they all be wrong?
   
   Any thought at all that maybe he isn't conducting himself very 
  well?
  
  
  Glad you asked. Firstly, I read the article. Seems like he is in 
 the 
  clear and had permission. If the schools did not internally follow 
  protocol, well.
  
  Greater wrongs have been done by public officials in AP and 
 there 
  has been NO outcry from anyone except the appointed naysayers. 
  Groups like the UEZ, etc., have remained mute while councilmembers 
  have lied in print and public meetings. Said nothing while 
 accepted 
  redevelopment plans were ignored and voided. I could go on. All 
 who 
  drink at the trough of City Hall put their hands over their 
  collective mouths, eyes and ears because it was deemed 
 the greater 
  good by their masters.
  
  Don't think I do not know how far the influence of Loffredo and 
  Bruno goes in this city. You yourself don't say what you know is 
  wrong in public because of it, although you have said it at times 
 in 
  private (BTW, I expect your GUMBA article to be here today if not 
 in 
  TCN).
  
  Keady was considered a great guy by many as he spoke against 
 eminent 
  domain, tried to save buildings and to get Partners to move their 
  asses.
  
  What went wrong? Well, he started to speak about serving the poor, 
  the downtrodden. The claims against Keady have been posted right 
  here all along. A diverse group - those against him politically - 
  and others, such as those with real estate interests - brokers, 
  agents, owners, etc., join opinion with you that he will make this 
  city nothing but soup kitchens and homeless shelters if he had his 
  way. Weren't those your words?
  
  That is his crime. The fear is that he will keep this town down 
 and 
  reduce our property values. Didn't Allan come right out and say 
 that?
  
  And so, you get people who have influence on official boards to 
 join 
  the fray. Doesn't matter what the facts are, as along as there is 
 an 
  opportunity to criticize him. It is clear that the powers that be, 
  both inside and outside of City Hall, want Keady gone.
  
  Keady's announcement of what he is doing in his official capacity 
 is 
  interpreted as grandstanding instead of being accepted as it is 
  given - fulfilling his obligation to keep his constituents 
 apprised.
  
  He is proactive. Thank God. The group that has mobilized against 
 him 
  are a bunch of cheerleaders. Everything is show,parades, 
 fireworks, 
  faux landings of lost explorers,etc. Tom, next Columbus Day take 
  your show to Howell. Let yourkids participate there where they 
 live 
  and go to school.
  
  I won't criticize the School Board because I don't know everything 
  and I know there are good people in it. But reading about events 
  over the past few years and the ongoing performance of the 
 schools, 
  I would say that Bob DiSanto and the board have their hands full. 
  There is plenty of blame to go around concerning the schools. They 
  should be addressing more important matters than Keady visiting 
 the 
  school. It all seems a bit heavy-handed and a coincidence on the 
  heels of the UEZ letter.
  
  I would say that all of our councilman and mayor, and city 
 manager, 
  should have considered visiting the school in the wake of the 
  shootings. But I don't think I would want Bruno talking to my kids.
  
  It is time for people to wake up. Keady is not going to do 
 anything 
  to reduce our property values. They are more in danger of 
 declining 
  due to the potential failure of the redevelopment and Partners 
  continual postponement of the waterfront restoration.
  
  A lot of people (real estate people) made a lot of money in this 
  town over the past few years. I see their hand in this. Shame on 
 you 
  all.
 






 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Keady Blog

2006-11-09 Thread theshortsalepro

I think I read Keady said, and I'm paraphrasing here, that 
children/youth/students are part of the solution to the problems faced 
by Asbury Park.

He is trying to involve the kids in the future of Asbury Park.  He is 
trying to give the kids a feeling of worth, and a voice.

How better to let the kids know that the adults care about them and 
their opinions (read: respect) than to tell 'em so?  If the kids 
develop a feeling of self worth and self respect... who knows how 
Asbury can benefit?  




 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Keady Blog

Well said, and I don't understand why some of the others here aren't taking 
that into account. 
To me, the slamming of JK was already waiting in the wings, and his detractors 
used the 
whole shooting mess to push their agenda.

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, theshortsalepro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I think I read Keady said, and I'm paraphrasing here, that 
 children/youth/students are part of the solution to the problems faced 
 by Asbury Park.
 
 He is trying to involve the kids in the future of Asbury Park.  He is 
 trying to give the kids a feeling of worth, and a voice.
 
 How better to let the kids know that the adults care about them and 
 their opinions (read: respect) than to tell 'em so?  If the kids 
 develop a feeling of self worth and self respect... who knows how 
 Asbury can benefit?






 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Keady Blog

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 ---keady should keep his ass right where it is - on the council. 

You are still the most level-headed of us all. Tell your boys to buy my 
home. I had it with the nonsense in this city. 






 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Keady Blog

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 So you really are making the case that Jim Keady is right and the 
 rest of the City is wrong.
 
 Says alot.

The rest of the city? Tom, you are a paid hack for the powers in this 
city. Loffredo, Sanders and Bruno have indentations on their asses from 
your lips. Bruno rides in your mustang in the parade. There's probably 
a lot more. When you no longer feed at the trough of city hall then 
maybe you will be taken seriously. Right now you're just a pain in the 
ass. I would call you the Borat of attorneys but I wouldn't do that to 
Borat.

Somewhat convenient how you get news before anyone. Hmmm.




 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Keady Blog

You're usually funny, but today you seem unusually gruff.

Is everything OK with you?

No BS.  Genuine concern.  You alright?




--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright 
 justifiedright@ wrote:
 
  So you really are making the case that Jim Keady is right and 
the 
  rest of the City is wrong.
  
  Says alot.
 
 The rest of the city? Tom, you are a paid hack for the powers in 
this 
 city. Loffredo, Sanders and Bruno have indentations on their asses 
from 
 your lips. Bruno rides in your mustang in the parade. There's 
probably 
 a lot more. When you no longer feed at the trough of city hall 
then 
 maybe you will be taken seriously. Right now you're just a pain in 
the 
 ass. I would call you the Borat of attorneys but I wouldn't do 
that to 
 Borat.
 
 Somewhat convenient how you get news before anyone. Hmmm.






 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Keady Blog

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 You're usually funny, but today you seem unusually gruff.
 
 Is everything OK with you?
 
 No BS.  Genuine concern.  You alright?

 
I'm fine thank you. But some days  my tolerance for your antics is not 
as high as other days. What you are doing is not right. What may be 
worse is you know it. You may have formerly adopted the moniker of 
blind bishop but I know you are not blind. You know better. I like you 
but the charge of kissing Bruno et al asses still stands. Give us the 
GUMBA article. WHile you're at it. When and how did you get the news of 
the school board letter? When you say it is public information how is 
that released and when?






 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Keady Blog

2006-11-09 Thread Allan Peterson

please define the agenda?
- Original Message From: Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.comSent: Thursday, November 9, 2006 9:51:10 AMSubject: [AsburyPark] Re: Keady Blog

Well said, and I don't understand why some of the others here aren't taking that into account. To me, the slamming of JK was already waiting in the wings, and his detractors used the whole shooting mess to push their agenda.--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, "theshortsalepro" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think I read Keady said, and I'm paraphrasing here, that children/youth/ students are part of the solution to the problems faced by Asbury Park. He is trying to involve the kids in the future of Asbury Park. He is trying to give the kids a feeling of worth, and a voice. How better to let the kids know that the adults care about them and their opinions (read: respect) than to tell 'em so? If the kids develop a feeling of self worth and self respect... who knows how Asbury can
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[AsburyPark] Re: Keady Blog

The OPEN PUBLIC RECORDS ACT is a powerful tool.  It actually 
requires most things you ask for to be copied and given to you 
immediately.  There are time schedules for other things.  If they 
don't meet the time frames there is a special board set up with the 
State to which you can register a complaint. If you win (any you 
will win), you are awarded attorney fees.

I do have sources too.  Many of them.  None as good as Joe D was.

Can't reveal my source on the DiSanto letter. Other news sources 
have it.

You are in 9/11 conspiracy theory territory if you think I'm in 
contact with Bruno and Loffredo very often. I almost never talk to 
either one of them.

If I talk to Bruno it's usually to make sure he knows that Jets rule 
and Dolphins stink.




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 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright 
 justifiedright@ wrote:
 
  You're usually funny, but today you seem unusually gruff.
  
  Is everything OK with you?
  
  No BS.  Genuine concern.  You alright?
 
  
 I'm fine thank you. But some days  my tolerance for your antics is 
not 
 as high as other days. What you are doing is not right. What may 
be 
 worse is you know it. You may have formerly adopted the moniker of 
 blind bishop but I know you are not blind. You know better. I like 
you 
 but the charge of kissing Bruno et al asses still stands. Give us 
the 
 GUMBA article. WHile you're at it. When and how did you get the 
news of 
 the school board letter? When you say it is public information how 
is 
 that released and when?






 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Keady Blog

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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 please define the agenda?

They believe keady will fill the city with soup kitchens and shelters, 
in other words, to give it to the poor. That has been said here 
verbatim.






 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Keady Blog

The agenda seems to be bias against JK, and from what i've read here, it 
existed before 
the shooting...so maybe they are using the shooting as a way to get him out of 
there.
One thing is really bothering me. Is anybody who is anti-Keady actually going 
to him 
directly to ask about the gang comment, or anything else they have issue with. 
JK seems 
pretty open to discussion. Why not discuss?
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 please define the agenda?
 
 
 - Original Message 
 From: Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2006 9:51:10 AM
 Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Keady Blog
 
 Well said, and I don't understand why some of the others here aren't taking 
 that into 
account. 
 To me, the slamming of JK was already waiting in the wings, and his 
 detractors used the 
 whole shooting mess to push their agenda.
 
 --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, theshortsalepro njdave@ wrote:
 
  I think I read Keady said, and I'm paraphrasing here, that 
  children/youth/ students are part of the solution to the problems faced 
  by Asbury Park.
  
  He is trying to involve the kids in the future of Asbury Park. He is 
  trying to give the kids a feeling of worth, and a voice.
  
  How better to let the kids know that the adults care about them and 
  their opinions (read: respect) than to tell 'em so? If the kids 
  develop a feeling of self worth and self respect... who knows how 
  Asbury can benefit?
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Keady Blog

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 I do have sources too.  Many of them.  None as good as Joe D was.
 
 Can't reveal my source on the DiSanto letter. Other news sources 
 have it.

So outside of being publicly available.

 
 You are in 9/11 conspiracy theory territory if you think I'm in 
 contact with Bruno and Loffredo very often. I almost never talk to 
 either one of them.

I said you kiss their asses, not speak to them. I did not say it was 
organized. You know which side your bread is buttered on. GUMBA 
article please. Just let me know if it's appearing in today's TCN 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Keady Blog

Jack I tried talking to him.  He called my house repeatedly.  He 
sent me an email accusing me of ducking his calls (sorry but I was 
busy at the moment).

When I called him back he dropped F-Bombs, called me names, etc. and 
the next day his wife emailed me and called me names.

You suggest to me this is a guy open to discussion?

It isn't because of me he is losing the faith of so many.  It's 
because of how he treats people.


--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The agenda seems to be bias against JK, and from what i've read 
here, it existed before 
 the shooting...so maybe they are using the shooting as a way to 
get him out of there.
 One thing is really bothering me. Is anybody who is anti-Keady 
actually going to him 
 directly to ask about the gang comment, or anything else they have 
issue with. JK seems 
 pretty open to discussion. Why not discuss?
 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson nnjallans1@ 
wrote:
 
  please define the agenda?
  
  
  - Original Message 
  From: Hinge hinge98@
  To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2006 9:51:10 AM
  Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Keady Blog
  
  Well said, and I don't understand why some of the others here 
aren't taking that into 
 account. 
  To me, the slamming of JK was already waiting in the wings, and 
his detractors used the 
  whole shooting mess to push their agenda.
  
  --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, theshortsalepro njdave@ 
wrote:
  
   I think I read Keady said, and I'm paraphrasing here, that 
   children/youth/ students are part of the solution to the 
problems faced 
   by Asbury Park.
   
   He is trying to involve the kids in the future of Asbury Park. 
He is 
   trying to give the kids a feeling of worth, and a voice.
   
   How better to let the kids know that the adults care about 
them and 
   their opinions (read: respect) than to tell 'em so? If the 
kids 
   develop a feeling of self worth and self respect... who knows 
how 
   Asbury can benefit?
  
  
  
  
  
  
   
  
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[AsburyPark] Re: Keady Blog

Jack I tried talking to him.  He called my house repeatedly.  He 
sent me an email accusing me of ducking his calls (sorry but I was 
busy at the moment).

When I called him back he dropped F-Bombs, called me names, etc. and 
the next day his wife emailed me and called me names.

You suggest to me this is a guy open to discussion?

It isn't because of me he is losing the faith of so many.  It's 
because of how he treats people.


--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The agenda seems to be bias against JK, and from what i've read 
here, it existed before 
 the shooting...so maybe they are using the shooting as a way to 
get him out of there.
 One thing is really bothering me. Is anybody who is anti-Keady 
actually going to him 
 directly to ask about the gang comment, or anything else they have 
issue with. JK seems 
 pretty open to discussion. Why not discuss?
 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson nnjallans1@ 
wrote:
 
  please define the agenda?
  
  
  - Original Message 
  From: Hinge hinge98@
  To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2006 9:51:10 AM
  Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Keady Blog
  
  Well said, and I don't understand why some of the others here 
aren't taking that into 
 account. 
  To me, the slamming of JK was already waiting in the wings, and 
his detractors used the 
  whole shooting mess to push their agenda.
  
  --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, theshortsalepro njdave@ 
wrote:
  
   I think I read Keady said, and I'm paraphrasing here, that 
   children/youth/ students are part of the solution to the 
problems faced 
   by Asbury Park.
   
   He is trying to involve the kids in the future of Asbury Park. 
He is 
   trying to give the kids a feeling of worth, and a voice.
   
   How better to let the kids know that the adults care about 
them and 
   their opinions (read: respect) than to tell 'em so? If the 
kids 
   develop a feeling of self worth and self respect... who knows 
how 
   Asbury can benefit?
  
  
  
  
  
  
   
  
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[AsburyPark] Re: Keady Blog

2006-11-09 Thread Fred

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
The bottom line of the letter is do what you were elected to do stay 
out of BOE business and that's fair.  The Press article wasn't bad 
they left alot out. I didn't see the Tri- City. Is it in the Coaster 
too?






Jack I tried talking to him.  He called my house repeatedly.  He 
 sent me an email accusing me of ducking his calls (sorry but I was 
 busy at the moment).
 
 When I called him back he dropped F-Bombs, called me names, etc. 
and 
 the next day his wife emailed me and called me names.
 
 You suggest to me this is a guy open to discussion?
 
 It isn't because of me he is losing the faith of so many.  It's 
 because of how he treats people.
 
 
 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote:
 
  The agenda seems to be bias against JK, and from what i've read 
 here, it existed before 
  the shooting...so maybe they are using the shooting as a way to 
 get him out of there.
  One thing is really bothering me. Is anybody who is anti-Keady 
 actually going to him 
  directly to ask about the gang comment, or anything else they 
have 
 issue with. JK seems 
  pretty open to discussion. Why not discuss?
  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson nnjallans1@ 
 wrote:
  
   please define the agenda?
   
   
   - Original Message 
   From: Hinge hinge98@
   To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2006 9:51:10 AM
   Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Keady Blog
   
   Well said, and I don't understand why some of the others here 
 aren't taking that into 
  account. 
   To me, the slamming of JK was already waiting in the wings, and 
 his detractors used the 
   whole shooting mess to push their agenda.
   
   --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, theshortsalepro njdave@ 
 wrote:
   
I think I read Keady said, and I'm paraphrasing here, that 
children/youth/ students are part of the solution to the 
 problems faced 
by Asbury Park.

He is trying to involve the kids in the future of Asbury 
Park. 
 He is 
trying to give the kids a feeling of worth, and a voice.

How better to let the kids know that the adults care about 
 them and 
their opinions (read: respect) than to tell 'em so? If the 
 kids 
develop a feeling of self worth and self respect... who knows 
 how 
Asbury can benefit?
   
   
   
   
   
   

   
 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Keady Blog

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 Jack I tried talking to him.  He called my house repeatedly.  He 
 sent me an email accusing me of ducking his calls (sorry but I was 
 busy at the moment).
 
 When I called him back he dropped F-Bombs, called me names, etc. 
and 
 the next day his wife emailed me and called me names.
 
 You suggest to me this is a guy open to discussion?
 
 It isn't because of me he is losing the faith of so many.  It's 
 because of how he treats people.

You deserved all of that. As I recall, he apologized to you for 
that. He should not have. Yours was a low blow. Lies and distortion 
are never okay.






 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Keady Blog

This is the heart of the matter Dan.

If you look at the whole picture, Asbury Park over the years has 
done enough.

We were the dumping grounds for Marlboro hospital.  

We were the ones who allowed our housing stock to go mutifamily to 
help the poor.  

We are the ones who built federally subsidized housing to house the 
poor. 

We are the ones that take in more section 8 than any other town in 
the county.

We are the ones suffering the segregated High School so we alone 
have to educate the poor to the exclusion of the rest of the County.

We are ones to house the County's methodone clinic.

We are the base for the Salvation Army.

We are the home of interfaith neighbors.

In fact, I understand there are over 80 non-profits helping the 
poor, and heard someone say once that non-profits helping the poor 
is Asbury Park's largest industry.

We are the ones with 39 churches all helping the poor. 

We are the ones who allowed homeless people to sleep at City Hall, 
even attracting homeless from other towns.

We are the ones perpetually trying more initiatives to help the poor.

All of that goodwill, YET EVERYTIME THERE IS A MORAL OBLIGATION TO 
HELP SOMEONE ELSE, EVERYONE LOOKS TO ASBURY PARK TO SHOULDER THE 
LOAD!

The town with the most limited resources is tapped to handle the 
county and state's pressing social problems.

When Father Bob wanted to build the Center, he was pastor of a 
church with srawling, open acres in Wayside.  Not in his backyard - 
he built it here.

Now comes the Market Street Mission to bring us more of the poor to 
help.

Not one other town in Monmouth County does a fraction of what we do 
for the poor.  Yet when a new challenge comes, they look at us and 
start holding moral obligation over our heads.  

Where is the moral obligatins of the other 51 towns in the county?  
How dare anyone, EVER look at the people if Asbury Park and inquire 
whether they will step up to help the poor.  Go ask the other 51 
towns if they will, for once, help the poor instead of Asbury Park.

Now comes Jim Keady.  He marches into the place that is weary from 
helping the poor, and starts preaching to us that we have to do 
more. 

That is why he comes off as so arrogant.  We've done all that and he 
rides past the other 51 Monmouth towns to take us to task for not 
doing enough?  It's insulting.

If someone like you Dan comes into the middle of an argument between 
me and Jim Keady, and see's Jim saying do more for the poor and me 
disagreeing with him, it is easy to paint him as the good guy and me 
as the bad.

That of course is intellectually lazy, because knowing all the facts 
above leads to the conclusion that Jim Keady is going to give us the 
straw that breaks the camel's back, while I want to (long overdue) 
strengthen the camel.

If poverty is our problem, we shouldn't expand poverty here. We need 
a bigger base of middle class and (finally, hopefully) some upper 
class.

Let Jim Keady fight for the poor in some other town that isn't doing 
anything for the poor.  

I'd support him.






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 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson nnjallans1@ 
 wrote:
 
  please define the agenda?
 
 They believe keady will fill the city with soup kitchens and 
shelters, 
 in other words, to give it to the poor. That has been said here 
 verbatim.






 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Keady Blog

2006-11-09 Thread Allan Peterson

I have asked directly about the gang comment. He said he was unable to cite sources do to the nature of how the information was gathered. From his response I was lead to believe that this was a situation he was working on with others howevere these otheres were not law enforcement. I stressed how his information provided no comfort and should be in the hands of the local police and county officials.
- Original Message From: Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.comSent: Thursday, November 9, 2006 11:15:34 AMSubject: [AsburyPark] Re: Keady Blog

The agenda seems to be bias against JK, and from what i've read here, it existed before the shooting...so maybe they are using the shooting as a way to get him out of there.One thing is really bothering me. Is anybody who is anti-Keady actually going to him directly to ask about the gang comment, or anything else they have issue with. JK seems pretty open to discussion. Why not discuss?--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Allan Peterson nnjallans1@ ... wrote: please define the agenda? - Original Message From: Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2006 9:51:10 AM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Keady Blog Well said, and I don't understand why some of the
others here aren't taking that into account. To me, the slamming of JK was already waiting in the wings, and his detractors used the whole shooting mess to push their agenda. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, "theshortsalepro" njdave@ wrote: I think I read Keady said, and I'm paraphrasing here, that children/youth/ students are part of the solution to the problems faced by Asbury Park.He is trying to involve the kids in the future of Asbury Park. He is trying to give the kids a feeling of worth, and a voice.How better to let the kids know that the adults care about them and their opinions (read: respect) than to tell 'em so? If the kids develop a feeling of self worth and self respect... who knows how Asbury can benefit?
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[AsburyPark] Re: Keady Blog

Well, if what you say is correct...F-bombs etc, calling names, then it sounds 
like the issue 
is deeper then I realize. I'd be really surprised if JK as well as his wife 
would be doing these 
things.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Jack I tried talking to him.  He called my house repeatedly.  He 
 sent me an email accusing me of ducking his calls (sorry but I was 
 busy at the moment).
 
 When I called him back he dropped F-Bombs, called me names, etc. and 
 the next day his wife emailed me and called me names.
 
 You suggest to me this is a guy open to discussion?
 
 It isn't because of me he is losing the faith of so many.  It's 
 because of how he treats people.
 
 
 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote:
 
  The agenda seems to be bias against JK, and from what i've read 
 here, it existed before 
  the shooting...so maybe they are using the shooting as a way to 
 get him out of there.
  One thing is really bothering me. Is anybody who is anti-Keady 
 actually going to him 
  directly to ask about the gang comment, or anything else they have 
 issue with. JK seems 
  pretty open to discussion. Why not discuss?
  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson nnjallans1@ 
 wrote:
  
   please define the agenda?
   
   
   - Original Message 
   From: Hinge hinge98@
   To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2006 9:51:10 AM
   Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Keady Blog
   
   Well said, and I don't understand why some of the others here 
 aren't taking that into 
  account. 
   To me, the slamming of JK was already waiting in the wings, and 
 his detractors used the 
   whole shooting mess to push their agenda.
   
   --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, theshortsalepro njdave@ 
 wrote:
   
I think I read Keady said, and I'm paraphrasing here, that 
children/youth/ students are part of the solution to the 
 problems faced 
by Asbury Park.

He is trying to involve the kids in the future of Asbury Park. 
 He is 
trying to give the kids a feeling of worth, and a voice.

How better to let the kids know that the adults care about 
 them and 
their opinions (read: respect) than to tell 'em so? If the 
 kids 
develop a feeling of self worth and self respect... who knows 
 how 
Asbury can benefit?
   
   
   
   
   
   

   
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[AsburyPark] Re: Keady Blog

Thanks for the answer Allan
Jack
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Well, if what you say is correct...F-bombs etc, calling names, then
it sounds like the issue 
 is deeper then I realize. I'd be really surprised if JK as well as
his wife would be doing these 
 things.
 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright
justifiedright@ wrote:
 
  Jack I tried talking to him.  He called my house repeatedly.  He 
  sent me an email accusing me of ducking his calls (sorry but I was 
  busy at the moment).
  
  When I called him back he dropped F-Bombs, called me names, etc. and 
  the next day his wife emailed me and called me names.
  
  You suggest to me this is a guy open to discussion?
  
  It isn't because of me he is losing the faith of so many.  It's 
  because of how he treats people.
  
  
  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote:
  
   The agenda seems to be bias against JK, and from what i've read 
  here, it existed before 
   the shooting...so maybe they are using the shooting as a way to 
  get him out of there.
   One thing is really bothering me. Is anybody who is anti-Keady 
  actually going to him 
   directly to ask about the gang comment, or anything else they have 
  issue with. JK seems 
   pretty open to discussion. Why not discuss?
   --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson nnjallans1@ 
  wrote:
   
please define the agenda?


- Original Message 
From: Hinge hinge98@
To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2006 9:51:10 AM
Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Keady Blog

Well said, and I don't understand why some of the others here 
  aren't taking that into 
   account. 
To me, the slamming of JK was already waiting in the wings, and 
  his detractors used the 
whole shooting mess to push their agenda.

--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, theshortsalepro njdave@ 
  wrote:

 I think I read Keady said, and I'm paraphrasing here, that 
 children/youth/ students are part of the solution to the 
  problems faced 
 by Asbury Park.
 
 He is trying to involve the kids in the future of Asbury Park. 
  He is 
 trying to give the kids a feeling of worth, and a voice.
 
 How better to let the kids know that the adults care about 
  them and 
 their opinions (read: respect) than to tell 'em so? If the 
  kids 
 develop a feeling of self worth and self respect... who knows 
  how 
 Asbury can benefit?






 

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[AsburyPark] Re: Keady Blog

2006-11-09 Thread Fred

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright 
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I couldn't have said it any better, you are 100% correct. He should 
go to S Belmar his hometown and try doing this shit there. Maybe 
that's why he's not there. They probabaly ran him out of town.







This is the heart of the matter Dan.
 
 If you look at the whole picture, Asbury Park over the years has 
 done enough.
 
 We were the dumping grounds for Marlboro hospital.  
 
 We were the ones who allowed our housing stock to go mutifamily to 
 help the poor.  
 
 We are the ones who built federally subsidized housing to house the 
 poor. 
 
 We are the ones that take in more section 8 than any other town in 
 the county.
 
 We are the ones suffering the segregated High School so we alone 
 have to educate the poor to the exclusion of the rest of the County.
 
 We are ones to house the County's methodone clinic.
 
 We are the base for the Salvation Army.
 
 We are the home of interfaith neighbors.
 
 In fact, I understand there are over 80 non-profits helping the 
 poor, and heard someone say once that non-profits helping the poor 
 is Asbury Park's largest industry.
 
 We are the ones with 39 churches all helping the poor. 
 
 We are the ones who allowed homeless people to sleep at City Hall, 
 even attracting homeless from other towns.
 
 We are the ones perpetually trying more initiatives to help the 
poor.
 
 All of that goodwill, YET EVERYTIME THERE IS A MORAL OBLIGATION TO 
 HELP SOMEONE ELSE, EVERYONE LOOKS TO ASBURY PARK TO SHOULDER THE 
 LOAD!
 
 The town with the most limited resources is tapped to handle the 
 county and state's pressing social problems.
 
 When Father Bob wanted to build the Center, he was pastor of a 
 church with srawling, open acres in Wayside.  Not in his backyard - 
 he built it here.
 
 Now comes the Market Street Mission to bring us more of the poor to 
 help.
 
 Not one other town in Monmouth County does a fraction of what we do 
 for the poor.  Yet when a new challenge comes, they look at us and 
 start holding moral obligation over our heads.  
 
 Where is the moral obligatins of the other 51 towns in the county?  
 How dare anyone, EVER look at the people if Asbury Park and inquire 
 whether they will step up to help the poor.  Go ask the other 51 
 towns if they will, for once, help the poor instead of Asbury Park.
 
 Now comes Jim Keady.  He marches into the place that is weary from 
 helping the poor, and starts preaching to us that we have to do 
 more. 
 
 That is why he comes off as so arrogant.  We've done all that and 
he 
 rides past the other 51 Monmouth towns to take us to task for not 
 doing enough?  It's insulting.
 
 If someone like you Dan comes into the middle of an argument 
between 
 me and Jim Keady, and see's Jim saying do more for the poor and me 
 disagreeing with him, it is easy to paint him as the good guy and 
me 
 as the bad.
 
 That of course is intellectually lazy, because knowing all the 
facts 
 above leads to the conclusion that Jim Keady is going to give us 
the 
 straw that breaks the camel's back, while I want to (long overdue) 
 strengthen the camel.
 
 If poverty is our problem, we shouldn't expand poverty here. We 
need 
 a bigger base of middle class and (finally, hopefully) some upper 
 class.
 
 Let Jim Keady fight for the poor in some other town that isn't 
doing 
 anything for the poor.  
 
 I'd support him.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote:
 
  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson nnjallans1@ 
  wrote:
  
   please define the agenda?
  
  They believe keady will fill the city with soup kitchens and 
 shelters, 
  in other words, to give it to the poor. That has been said here 
  verbatim.
 






 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Keady Blog







Hello [EMAIL PROTECTED],
In reference to your comment: 

Somewhat convenient how you get news 
  before anyone. Hmmm.



Is Keady the only onein townin favor of transparency, full 
disclosure, and the Sunshine laws?Original Message 

  
  
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--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.com, 
"justifiedright" justifiedright@... wrote: So 
you really are making the case that Jim Keady is right and the  rest of 
the City is wrong.  Says alot.The rest of the city? 
Tom, you are a paid hack for the powers in this city. Loffredo, Sanders and 
Bruno have indentations on their asses from your lips. Bruno rides in your 
mustang in the parade. There's probably a lot more. When you no longer feed 
at the trough of city hall then maybe you will be taken seriously. Right now 
you're just a pain in the ass. I would call you the Borat of attorneys but I 
wouldn't do that to Borat.Somewhat convenient how you get news 
before anyone. Hmmm.
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In reference to Dan's 
frustration
: 

Tell your boys to buy my home. I had it 
  with the nonsense in this city. 



Not so fast Compare! There's talk of your running for city 
council.

Hope your not gonna "cut and run" 'cause of one or two goons.

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--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.com, 
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level-headed of us all. Tell your boys to buy my home. I had it with the 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Keady Blog

Well, I must admit that some pretty valid points were written.
I'd like to ask this though...couldn't Asbury serve both it's legacy
of poor and unfortunate people at the same time as the people here
now, and the people Asbury hopes to attract?
Other cities do this, although most are larger then AP. Cities like
Portland OR. Hoboken does a pretty good job of balancing the classes.
Can't something be learned from those places? And, is it right to
vilefy Jim Keady just because he wants to help people?
Jack
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright 
 justifiedright@ wrote:
 
  
 I couldn't have said it any better, you are 100% correct. He should 
 go to S Belmar his hometown and try doing this shit there. Maybe 
 that's why he's not there. They probabaly ran him out of town.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 This is the heart of the matter Dan.
  
  If you look at the whole picture, Asbury Park over the years has 
  done enough.
  
  We were the dumping grounds for Marlboro hospital.  
  
  We were the ones who allowed our housing stock to go mutifamily to 
  help the poor.  
  
  We are the ones who built federally subsidized housing to house the 
  poor. 
  
  We are the ones that take in more section 8 than any other town in 
  the county.
  
  We are the ones suffering the segregated High School so we alone 
  have to educate the poor to the exclusion of the rest of the County.
  
  We are ones to house the County's methodone clinic.
  
  We are the base for the Salvation Army.
  
  We are the home of interfaith neighbors.
  
  In fact, I understand there are over 80 non-profits helping the 
  poor, and heard someone say once that non-profits helping the poor 
  is Asbury Park's largest industry.
  
  We are the ones with 39 churches all helping the poor. 
  
  We are the ones who allowed homeless people to sleep at City Hall, 
  even attracting homeless from other towns.
  
  We are the ones perpetually trying more initiatives to help the 
 poor.
  
  All of that goodwill, YET EVERYTIME THERE IS A MORAL OBLIGATION TO 
  HELP SOMEONE ELSE, EVERYONE LOOKS TO ASBURY PARK TO SHOULDER THE 
  LOAD!
  
  The town with the most limited resources is tapped to handle the 
  county and state's pressing social problems.
  
  When Father Bob wanted to build the Center, he was pastor of a 
  church with srawling, open acres in Wayside.  Not in his backyard - 
  he built it here.
  
  Now comes the Market Street Mission to bring us more of the poor to 
  help.
  
  Not one other town in Monmouth County does a fraction of what we do 
  for the poor.  Yet when a new challenge comes, they look at us and 
  start holding moral obligation over our heads.  
  
  Where is the moral obligatins of the other 51 towns in the county?  
  How dare anyone, EVER look at the people if Asbury Park and inquire 
  whether they will step up to help the poor.  Go ask the other 51 
  towns if they will, for once, help the poor instead of Asbury Park.
  
  Now comes Jim Keady.  He marches into the place that is weary from 
  helping the poor, and starts preaching to us that we have to do 
  more. 
  
  That is why he comes off as so arrogant.  We've done all that and 
 he 
  rides past the other 51 Monmouth towns to take us to task for not 
  doing enough?  It's insulting.
  
  If someone like you Dan comes into the middle of an argument 
 between 
  me and Jim Keady, and see's Jim saying do more for the poor and me 
  disagreeing with him, it is easy to paint him as the good guy and 
 me 
  as the bad.
  
  That of course is intellectually lazy, because knowing all the 
 facts 
  above leads to the conclusion that Jim Keady is going to give us 
 the 
  straw that breaks the camel's back, while I want to (long overdue) 
  strengthen the camel.
  
  If poverty is our problem, we shouldn't expand poverty here. We 
 need 
  a bigger base of middle class and (finally, hopefully) some upper 
  class.
  
  Let Jim Keady fight for the poor in some other town that isn't 
 doing 
  anything for the poor.  
  
  I'd support him.
  
  
  
  
  
  
  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote:
  
   --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson nnjallans1@ 
   wrote:
   
please define the agenda?
   
   They believe keady will fill the city with soup kitchens and 
  shelters, 
   in other words, to give it to the poor. That has been said here 
   verbatim.
  
 






 
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  
 Not so fast Compare!   There's talk of your running for city  council.

Wouldn't that be comical! I'd probably wind up on death row.


 Hope your not gonna cut and run 'cause of one or two goons.

I was born and raised with goons. It's provincial assholes that really 
get my goat. I'm too stupid to run away. I'm the kind of guy who you 
just have to kill.






 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Keady Blog

I had responded to this before but the site had an error. I 
apologize it appears twice.

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 This is the heart of the matter Dan.

Thanks for admitting it.

 If you look at the whole picture, Asbury Park over the years has 
 done enough.

I agree with you and from what I have heard him say publicly, so 
does JK. Were you absent or asleep when he said as much at a council 
meeting? How about when JK said he wanted to help change the laws 
that made this possible?

 We were the ones who allowed our housing stock to go mutifamily to 
 help the poor.  

And line the pockets of landlords and city fathers.

 We are the ones that take in more section 8 than any other town in 
 the county.

Ibid.

 
 We are the ones suffering the segregated High School so we alone 
 have to educate the poor to the exclusion of the rest of the 
County.

Send your kids there. Be part of the solution.

 We are ones to house the County's methodone clinic.

Yes, I think I am the one who pointed that out originally.

 We are the base for the Salvation Army.

They're on MY block. How about yours?

 We are the home of interfaith neighbors.

Are they bad?

 We are the ones who allowed homeless people to sleep at City Hall, 
 even attracting homeless from other towns.

Did Keady start that?

 Not one other town in Monmouth County does a fraction of what we 
do 
 for the poor.  Yet when a new challenge comes, they look at us and 
 start holding moral obligation over our heads.  

No argument with you there.

 
 Where is the moral obligatins of the other 51 towns in the 
county?  
 How dare anyone, EVER look at the people if Asbury Park and 
inquire 
 whether they will step up to help the poor.  Go ask the other 51 
 towns if they will, for once, help the poor instead of Asbury Park.

Tell me Tom, what does your hometown (Howell right?) do? Tell me 
what steps you have taken going to other towns asking them to take 
the load off of AP's shoulders? We all know you're in politics in 
the County, what steps have you taken with your fellow Republicans 
to have their areas share some of the social burdens borne by AP?

 Now comes Jim Keady.  He marches into the place that is weary from 
 helping the poor, and starts preaching to us that we have to do 
 more. 
 
 That is why he comes off as so arrogant.  We've done all that and 
he 
 rides past the other 51 Monmouth towns to take us to task for not 
 doing enough?  It's insulting.

Some I assume perceive him as holier than thou. I don't. I don't 
need anyone as a measuring stick to know how far I fall short in 
social responsibility.


 If someone like you Dan comes into the middle of an argument 
between 
 me and Jim Keady, and see's Jim saying do more for the poor and me 
 disagreeing with him, it is easy to paint him as the good guy and 
me 
 as the bad.

You're viewed on the basis of what you do. You have distorted and 
lied about someone. You have engaged in character assassination.

 That of course is intellectually lazy, because knowing all the 
facts 
 above leads to the conclusion that Jim Keady is going to give us 
the 
 straw that breaks the camel's back, while I want to (long overdue) 
 strengthen the camel.

The best thing you can do is buy a home here and don't rent it out. 
You want someone else to be first. You want someone else to be the 
guinea pig. Talk is cheap Tom. You want to leave it to the gay 
community, even though by all regards, you think they wear rings in 
the strangest places. You don't want to do it yourself. You just 
want to throw molotov cocktails. Go mend the ways of Howell's 
governance - that's where you have a vested interest.

 
 If poverty is our problem, we shouldn't expand poverty here. We 
need 
 a bigger base of middle class and (finally, hopefully) some upper 
 class.

Ibid. It has to start somewhere Tom. You have to be in it to win it.

I've seen JK fight for local jobs. That's not expanding poverty. 
I've seen JK fight for affordable (not public) housing. That's not 
expanding poverty. I've seen JK fight to have Asbury Partners live 
up to its obligations to restore the waterfront. That's not 
expanding poverty.

You never, never are able to back up your claims. You use the 
tactics of McCarthy. You are a fear mongerer. The nation just voted 
out your buddies, and if we could - throw out the President - for 
the same thing. Preying on people's fear with lies and distortion. 
You and the others doing this should be ashamed of yourselves. It's 
despicable.

 
 Let Jim Keady fight for the poor in some other town that isn't 
doing 
 anything for the poor.  

Like where you live. Like where all those Italian-Americans live who 
were so upset about Columbus Day. There was something in the paper 
today about the Bush administration - that the scary thing is that 
it believes its own nonsense. You're a clone. 






 
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Hello 
[EMAIL PROTECTED],
In reference to your half-truths: 
: 

When I called him back he dropped 
  F-Bombs, called me names, etc. and the next day his wife emailed me and 
  called me names.

Then Keady apologized to you:



Hello 
[EMAIL PROTECTED],
In reference to your comment: 


  Tom, 
  I am writing to 
  apologize for some of the comments and language that I used during our 
  telephone conversation last night. Regardless of how I felt, they have 
  no place in honest discourse. I hope that you accept my apology and that 
  we move forward in a spirit of continued dialogue. 
  

And you responded on October 10:



Hello 
[EMAIL PROTECTED],
In reference to your comment: 

Jim you don't have to apologize to 
  me. We are two fairly "regular" guys. Our conversations are going 
  to be a little salty sometimes. That's never going to be 
  shared with anyone or ever held against you. I'm glad you feel 
  comfortable enough with me to speak to me like a regular 
guy.
:

So your word is is good huh?


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Jack I tried talking to him. He called my house repeatedly. He sent me an 
email accusing me of ducking his calls (sorry but I was busy at the 
moment).When I called him back he dropped F-Bombs, called me names, etc. 
and the next day his wife emailed me and called me names.You suggest 
to me this is a guy open to discussion?It isn't because of me he is 
losing the faith of so many. It's because of how he treats 
people.--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.com, 
"Hinge" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The agenda seems to be 
bias against JK, and from what i've read here, it existed before  
the shooting...so maybe they are using the shooting as a way to get him out 
of there. One thing is really bothering me. Is anybody who is anti-Keady 
actually going to him  directly to ask about the gang comment, or 
anything else they have issue with. JK seems  pretty open to 
discussion. Why not discuss? --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.com, 
Allan Peterson nnjallans1@ wrote:   
please define the agenda?  - 
Original Message   From: Hinge hinge98@  To: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2006 9:51:10 AM  Subject: 
[AsburyPark] Re: Keady BlogWell said, and I don't 
understand why some of the others here aren't taking that into  
account.   To me, the slamming of JK was already waiting in the 
wings, and his detractors used the   whole shooting mess to push 
their agenda.--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, 
"theshortsalepro" njdave@ wrote: 
I think I read Keady said, and I'm paraphrasing here, that
children/youth/ students are part of the solution to the problems faced 
   by Asbury Park.  He is 
trying to involve the kids in the future of Asbury Park. He is   
 trying to give the kids a feeling of worth, and a voice.   
   How better to let the kids know that the adults care about 
them andtheir opinions (read: respect) than to tell 'em 
so? If the kidsdevelop a feeling of self worth and self 
respect... who knows howAsbury can benefit?  
  

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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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 From his response I was lead to believe that this was a situation he 
was working on with others howevere these otheres were not law 
enforcement.  I stressed how his information provided no comfort and 
should be in the hands of the local police and county officials.  

You ever hear about criminal informants? When the police want to find a 
bad guy or what is going on in the streets do you think they ask one 
another or the players? Read the gang survey I posted about - the cops 
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Hello [EMAIL PROTECTED],

In reference to your comment: 

I was born and raised with goons. It's 
  provincial assholes that really get my goat.

Well, consider this. The more that justifiedright is their 
mouthpiece, the bigger the hole that's dug. And it's all on the record, 
much of it here.

Why aren't those who oppose Keady because they don't buy into his vision 
for the city---why aren't they distancing themselves from justified's 
tactics. 

I'm too stupid 
  to run away.

Cool! In this limited sense, stupid is good! 
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--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.com, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]. wrote:  Not so fast Compare! 
There's talk of your running for city council.Wouldn't that be comical! 
I'd probably wind up on death row. Hope your not gonna "cut and run" 
'cause of one or two goons.I was born and raised with goons. It's 
provincial assholes that really get my goat. I'm too stupid to run away. I'm 
the kind of guy who you just have to kill.
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Tell me Tom, what does your hometown (Howell right?) do? Tell me 
 what steps you have taken going to other towns asking them to take 
 the load off of AP's shoulders? We all know you're in politics in 
 the County, what steps have you taken with your fellow Republicans 
 to have their areas share some of the social burdens borne by AP?


Thanks for bringing it up.  I have done so on the County level and 
continue to do so (on the state level too).  I will be successful.

I talked about it on the Radio last week.  I talked about it in 
front of Jim Keady at Holy Spirit Church.  I talked about it at my 
fundraiser last week. I'm actively lobbying for it and am trying to 
do more.

The people I have to fight with to get the money for Asbury Park is 
radical environmentalists, who are controlling that money - hundreds 
of millions of dollars each year.

Caring, want to help  enlightened, tolerant liberals in the 
environmental movemnet, and they are hurting Asbury Park, the 
poorest City in the County.  Bet I'm the only one not surprised.

Bet I'm the only one not just talking about having the state and 
county share the burdens of Asbury Park, I'm actively trying to do 
somehting about it.

Now go play basketball with Jim Keady.










 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Keady Blog

You're the one that posted that stuff about JK cursing here (why 
don't you reprint your apology to JK for doing that).

I only told you after you emailed me 10 times as Jim's supporter.  I 
was hoping to get you to stop stalking me.

Since you were his supporter, I never dreamed you would put it on 
the 'net.  I figured you were in his camp.

You were so blinded in your desire to hurt me you hurt him.

That proves my point from earlier:  You wanted to help Jim Keady 
but your actions hurt him.  Wanting to help is irrelevant.  We all 
want to help.

You two should start a Good intentions/bad results club.



--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
 Hello  [EMAIL PROTECTED],
 In reference to your half-truths:  
 :  
 
 
 When I called him back he dropped  F-Bombs, called me names, etc. 
and 
 the next day his wife emailed me and  called me names.
 
 
 Then Keady apologized to you:
  
  
  
 Hello  [EMAIL PROTECTED],
 In reference to your comment:  
 
 
 Tom,   
 I am writing to  apologize for some of the comments and language 
that I used 
 during our  telephone conversation last night.  Regardless of how 
I felt, they 
 have  no place in honest discourse.  I hope that you accept my 
apology and 
 that  we move forward in a spirit of continued dialogue.   
 
 
 
 And you responded on October 10:
  
  
  
 Hello  [EMAIL PROTECTED],
 In reference to your comment:  
 
 
 Jim you don't have to apologize to  me.  We are two 
fairly regular guys.  
 Our conversations are going  to be a little salty sometimes.  
That's never 
 going to be  shared with anyone or ever held against you. I'm glad 
you feel  
 comfortable enough with me to speak to me like a regular  guy.
 
 
 :
  
 So your word is is good huh?
  
  
 
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 Subj: [AsburyPark] Re: Keady Blog  Date: 11/9/2006 11:42:02 
A.M. Eastern 
 Standard Time  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED])   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
(mailto:AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com)   
 Sent on:
 
 
 
  
  
  
 Jack I tried talking to him. He called my house repeatedly. He 
 sent me an  email accusing me of ducking his calls (sorry but I 
was 
 busy at the  moment).
 
 When I called him back he dropped F-Bombs, called me names, etc.  
and 
 the next day his wife emailed me and called me names.
 
 You suggest  to me this is a guy open to discussion?
 
 It isn't because of me he is  losing the faith of so many. It's 
 because of how he treats  people.
 
 --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
(mailto:AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com) ,  
 Hinge hinge98@ wrote:
 
  The agenda seems to be  bias against JK, and from what i've read 
 here, it existed before 
   the shooting...so maybe they are using the shooting as a way to 
 get him out  of there.
  One thing is really bothering me. Is anybody who is anti-Keady  
 actually going to him 
  directly to ask about the gang comment, or  anything else they 
have 
 issue with. JK seems 
  pretty open to  discussion. Why not discuss?
  --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
(mailto:AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com) ,  
 Allan Peterson nnjallans1@ 
 wrote:
  
please define the agenda?
   
   
   -  Original Message 
   From: Hinge hinge98@
   To:  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
(mailto:AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com) 
Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2006 9:51:10 AM
   Subject:  [AsburyPark] Re: Keady Blog
   
   Well said, and I don't  understand why some of the others here 
 aren't taking that into 
   account. 
   To me, the slamming of JK was already waiting in the  wings, 
and 
 his detractors used the 
   whole shooting mess to push  their agenda.
   
   --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com,  theshortsalepro 
njdave@ 
 wrote:
   
 I think I read Keady said, and I'm paraphrasing here, that 
 children/youth/ students are part of the solution to the 
 problems faced  
by Asbury Park.

He is  trying to involve the kids in the future of Asbury 
Park. 
 He is 
 trying to give the kids a feeling of worth, and a voice.
 
How better to let the kids know that the adults care about  
 them and 
their opinions (read: respect) than to tell 'em  so? If the 
 kids 
develop a feeling of self worth and self  respect... who 
knows 
 how 
Asbury can benefit?

   
   
   
   

   

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Hello [EMAIL PROTECTED],
In reference to your comment: 

To me, the slamming of JK was already 
  waiting in the wings, and his detractors used the whole shooting mess to 
  push their agenda.


And whether the "waiting in the wings" theory is true or not doesn't 
matter.

That's the perception being created. Fresh in some minds was 
the Iraq war, "waiting in the wings" for something to justify it.

True or not, that's the perception that drove some to oppose the neocon's 
war..

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Well said, and I don't understand why some of the others here aren't taking 
that into account. To me, the slamming of JK was already waiting in the 
wings, and his detractors used the whole shooting mess to push their 
agenda.--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.com, 
"theshortsalepro" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think I read Keady 
said, and I'm paraphrasing here, that  children/youth/students are 
part of the solution to the problems faced  by Asbury Park. 
 He is trying to involve the kids in the future of Asbury Park. He is 
 trying to give the kids a feeling of worth, and a voice. 
 How better to let the kids know that the adults care about them and 
 their opinions (read: respect) than to tell 'em so? If the kids 
 develop a feeling of self worth and self respect... who knows how 
 Asbury can benefit?
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[AsburyPark] Re: Keady Blog

I'm not  enjoying this discussion anymore. It's just getting too ugly for my 
taste.
I'll check back with this board in a few weeks to see if there's anything new 
to talk  about.
Jack
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote:
 
  Tell me Tom, what does your hometown (Howell right?) do? Tell me 
  what steps you have taken going to other towns asking them to take 
  the load off of AP's shoulders? We all know you're in politics in 
  the County, what steps have you taken with your fellow Republicans 
  to have their areas share some of the social burdens borne by AP?
 
 
 Thanks for bringing it up.  I have done so on the County level and 
 continue to do so (on the state level too).  I will be successful.
 
 I talked about it on the Radio last week.  I talked about it in 
 front of Jim Keady at Holy Spirit Church.  I talked about it at my 
 fundraiser last week. I'm actively lobbying for it and am trying to 
 do more.
 
 The people I have to fight with to get the money for Asbury Park is 
 radical environmentalists, who are controlling that money - hundreds 
 of millions of dollars each year.
 
 Caring, want to help  enlightened, tolerant liberals in the 
 environmental movemnet, and they are hurting Asbury Park, the 
 poorest City in the County.  Bet I'm the only one not surprised.
 
 Bet I'm the only one not just talking about having the state and 
 county share the burdens of Asbury Park, I'm actively trying to do 
 somehting about it.
 
 Now go play basketball with Jim Keady.






 
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 Thanks for bringing it up.  I have done so on the County level and 
 continue to do so (on the state level too).  I will be successful.

You are out of your f*ing mind (how's that Allan?)! You want to stop 
the preservation of open space not help the poor. Not take the load off 
of AP. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain! What have you 
done to have YOUR town house the homeless? What have you done to have 
YOUR town open soup kitchens to relive the pressure on AP? What have 
you done to have YOUR town open a methadone clinic so we can close 
ours? Nothing. Nada. Zilch. You want to drill for oil in Alaska too. 
Who cares. What a bullshit srtist you are. You are like those cardboard 
figures in the Verizon commercial. Nothing behind it.





 
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 You're the one that posted that stuff about JK cursing here (why 
 don't you reprint your apology to JK for doing that).
 

He did alredy but the point of his post was that you left out the point 
that JK apologized to you. Distort and omit. That's your game.






 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Keady Blog






Hello 
[EMAIL PROTECTED],

In reference to your comment: 

You're the one that posted that stuff 
  about JK cursing here (why don't you reprint your apology to JK for doing 
  that).

See message 18874 "My apology to Keady and his response."


I only told you 
  after you emailed me 10 times as Jim's supporter. I was hoping to get you to 
  stop stalking me.

See message# 18836 "Private emails..." and message 
#18838 "To be Fair and Balanced." Especially my explanation that I 
was not a Keady supporter. Further there were 6 emails from me (about 
politics, Marxism, Zinn et al.)from responding to those initiated by 
you. 

That proves my 
  point from earlier: You "wanted to help" Jim Keady but your actions hurt him. 
  Wanting to help is irrelevant. We all want to help.


All of the above proves what I've thought all along:You 
don't readand consider what others say; you simply react, and to things 
which weren't said.

All heat; no light.

Original Message========


  
  
    Subj:
[AsburyPark] Re: Keady Blog
  
Date:
11/9/2006 2:08:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time
  
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To:
AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
  
Sent on:  






You're the one that posted that stuff about JK cursing here (why don't 
you reprint your apology to JK for doing that).I only told you after you 
emailed me 10 times as Jim's supporter. I was hoping to get you to stop 
stalking me.Since you were his supporter, I never dreamed you would put 
it on the 'net. I figured you were in his camp.You were so blinded 
in your desire to hurt me you hurt him.That proves my point from 
earlier: You "wanted to help" Jim Keady but your actions hurt him. Wanting 
to help is irrelevant. We all want to help.You two should start a 
"Good intentions/bad results" club.--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.com, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]. wrote:  Hello 
justifiedright@..., In reference to your half-truths:  : 
   When I called him back he dropped F-Bombs, called me 
names, etc. and  the next day his wife emailed me and called me 
names.   Then Keady apologized to you:  
  Hello james.keady@..., In reference to your 
comment:Tom,  I am writing to apologize for 
some of the comments and language that I used  during our telephone 
conversation last night. Regardless of how I felt, they  have no 
place in honest discourse. I hope that you accept my apology and  
that we move forward in a spirit of continued dialogue.   
  And you responded on October 10:   
 Hello james.keady@..., In reference to your comment: 
   Jim you don't have to apologize to me. We are two 
fairly "regular" guys.  Our conversations are going to be a little 
salty sometimes. That's never  going to be shared with anyone or 
ever held against you. I'm glad you feel  comfortable enough with me 
to speak to me like a regular guy.   :  
So your word is is good huh?    Original 
Message Subj: [AsburyPark] Re: Keady Blog Date: 11/9/2006 
11:42:02 A.M. Eastern  Standard Time From: _justifiedright@..._ 
 (mailto:justifiedri[EMAIL PROTECTED]) To: _AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.com) 
 Sent on:
Jack I tried talking to him. He called my house repeatedly. He  sent me 
an email accusing me of ducking his calls (sorry but I was  busy at 
the moment).  When I called him back he dropped F-Bombs, called 
me names, etc. and  the next day his wife emailed me and called me 
names.  You suggest to me this is a guy open to 
discussion?  It isn't because of me he is losing the faith of so 
many. It's  because of how he treats people.  --- In 
_AsburyPark@yahoogroAsburyP_ (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.com) 
,  "Hinge" hinge98@ wrote:   The agenda 
seems to be bias against JK, and from what i've read  here, it existed 
before   the shooting...so maybe they are using the shooting as a 
way to  get him out of there.  One thing is really bothering 
me. Is anybody who is anti-Keady  actually going to him   
directly to ask about the gang comment, or anything else they have  
issue with. JK seems   pretty open to discussion. Why not 
discuss?  --- In _AsburyPark@yahoogroAsburyP_ (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.com) 
,  Allan Peterson nnjallans1@  wrote:  
   please define the agenda? 
- Original Message    From: 
Hinge hinge98@   To: _AsburyPark@yahoogroAsburyP_ 
(mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.com) 
   Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2006 9:51:10 AM   
Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Keady Blog  Well 
said, and I don't understand why some of the others here  aren't taking 
that into   account.To me, the slamming of JK 
was already waiting in the wings, and  his detractors used the 
   whole shooting mess to push their agenda.   
   --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, "theshortsalepro" 
njdave@  wrote:  
 I think I read Keady said, and I'm paraphrasing here, that   
  children/youth/ students are part of the sol

Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Keady Blog

Hello [EMAIL PROTECTED],
In reference to your comment:

I'm not enjoying this discussion
anymore. It's just getting too ugly for my taste.I'll check back with this
board in a few weeks to see if there's anything new to talk
about.Jack

Jack, if you check the archives you'll notice that justified left this
group in the spring and returned on October 13. His first post: "Keady Resignation Demand Today I called
for Jim Keady to resign his City Council position, (message
18066)

And then the tenor of posts got hotterand as you say now ugly.

Compare the posts here during his hiatus. A much more civil tone
here, though not always agreeable.

justified brings out the worst in people.

Always pouring more oil on troubled waters.

Original
Message

Subj:
[AsburyPark] Re: Keady Blog

Date:
11/9/2006 2:17:48 P.M. Eastern Standard Time

From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

To:
AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com

Sent on:

I'm not enjoying this discussion anymore. It's just getting too ugly for my
taste.I'll check back with this board in a few weeks to see if there's
anything new to talk about.Jack--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.com,
"justifiedright" justifiedright@... wrote: --- In
[EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.com,
"dfsavgny" dfsavgny@ wrote: Tell me Tom, what does
your hometown (Howell right?) do? Tell me what steps you have
taken going to other towns asking them to take the load off of
AP's shoulders? We all know you're in politics in the County, what
steps have you taken with your fellow Republicans to have their
areas share some of the social burdens borne by AP?
Thanks for bringing it up. I have done so on the County level and
continue to do so (on the state level too). I will be successful.
I talked about it on the Radio last week. I talked about it in
front of Jim Keady at Holy Spirit Church. I talked about it at my
fundraiser last week. I'm actively lobbying for it and am trying to do
more. The people I have to fight with to get the money for
Asbury Park is radical environmentalists, who are controlling that
money - hundreds of millions of dollars each year.
Caring, "want to help" enlightened, tolerant liberals in the
environmental movemnet, and they are hurting Asbury Park, the poorest
City in the County. Bet I'm the only one not surprised. Bet I'm
the only one not just talking about having the state and county share
the burdens of Asbury Park, I'm actively trying to do somehting about
it. Now go play basketball with Jim
Keady.
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2006-11-09 Thread apoojo

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I'm not  enjoying this discussion anymore. It's just getting too ugly 
for my taste.
 cant say i blame you, it seems like many of these posts started with 
the letter from disanto to keady, the only version i have read is the 
one in todays press, truthfully im not sure who is at fault, but 
perhaps disanto can share with us the action he or the bd. took against 
the teacher and principal, if they were wrong, what action he directed 
to the 2 school superintendents to make sure this does not happen 
again ,if it was wrong,( please do not hide behind its a personnel 
issue and you can not discuss it because thats B.S. it is a policy 
issue,more than just tommy know the law) you can not blame just keady, 
but no one ever seems to go after the ones who seem to be consistently 
wrong, the bd president and his majority voting block, where are the 
taxpayers goups who have attacked previous bds for far fewer mistakes 
than this majority has made? cmon guys and gals there is such a word as 
consintency, which isnt being adhered to, we should all be on a level 
playing field, and all held to the same constructive criticism, but 
that is not happening, it seems to be easier to have knee jerk 
reactions and kick keady, but not the bd. and its way too many 
administrators. i do not believe mayor and council feel threatened by 
keady, and trying to make him look bad, that to me is ridiculous,  




 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Keady Blog

2006-11-09 Thread Allan Peterson



it is sad how some have the need to control this board and hammer away at topics when private emails could be sent.
- Original Message From: apoojo [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.comSent: Thursday, November 9, 2006 3:16:05 PMSubject: [AsburyPark] Re: Keady Blog

--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, "Hinge" [EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote: I'm not enjoying this discussion anymore. It's just getting too ugly for my taste.cant say i blame you, it seems like many of these posts started with the letter from disanto to keady, the only version i have read is the one in todays press, truthfully im not sure who is at fault, but perhaps disanto can share with us the action he or the bd. took against the teacher and principal, if they were wrong, what action he directed to the 2 school superintendents to make sure this does not happen again ,if it was wrong,( please do not hide behind its a personnel issue and you can not discuss it because thats B.S. it is a policy issue,more than just tommy know the law) you can not blame just keady, but no one ever seems to go after the ones who seem to be consistently
 wrong, the bd president and his majority voting block, where are the taxpayers goups who have attacked previous bds for far fewer mistakes than this majority has made? cmon guys and gals there is such a word as consintency, which isnt being adhered to, we should all be on a level playing field, and all held to the same constructive criticism, but that is not happening, it seems to be easier to have knee jerk reactions and kick keady, but not the bd. and its way too many administrators. i do not believe mayor and council feel threatened by keady, and trying to make him look bad, that to me is ridiculous, 

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