Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software
I definitely don't miss physical media and much prefer my listening room without a cd lined wall. I find the biggest problem is just how large my collection has become over the years, so much so that I've forgotten what lies at the core of my musical tastes. SqueezeWand | 'Vivere DAC MKI' (http://vivereaudio.com/post/2013/08/16/DAC-I-is-Born!.aspx) | 'ATC SCA2' (http://www.atcloudspeakers.co.uk/hi-fi/electronics/source-pre-amplifiers/sca2/) | 'ATC SCM100ASLT' (http://www.atcloudspeakers.co.uk/hi-fi/loudspeakers/tower-series/scm100aslt/) *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* - now packaged in most Linux distributions. audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105146 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software
Julf wrote: > But you are still at the mercy of a provider of a proprietary system. :( > Yes, you are insofar as the software is concerned. From a hardware perspective you're free to make your own decisions and from an underlying audio library perspective Roon leaves all that untouched...so at the end of the day your only exposure is loss of functionality if Roon was no longer supported. SqueezeWand | 'Vivere DAC MKI' (http://vivereaudio.com/post/2013/08/16/DAC-I-is-Born!.aspx) | 'ATC SCA2' (http://www.atcloudspeakers.co.uk/hi-fi/electronics/source-pre-amplifiers/sca2/) | 'ATC SCM100ASLT' (http://www.atcloudspeakers.co.uk/hi-fi/loudspeakers/tower-series/scm100aslt/) *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* - now packaged in most Linux distributions. audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105146 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software
mlsstl wrote: > I've looked at Roon and am not sure I'm interested. Its two strong > points seem to be an attractive graphic interface and the ability to > bring its own, additional metadata (tags) to the party. > > The first item is kind of a "meh" for me -- I play my stereo in order to > listen to music and the LMS/Squeezebox system works great for this. The > latter seems interesting, since it appears it'd add more info to what > I've collected in my own system, but then I'm currently not having too > hard a time finding the music I want to listen to. > > So that's where I stand right now -- some interesting possibilities but > it hardly seems worth a $120 annual subscription or $500 fee up front. > > Have I missed something?I was a Squeezebox/LMS user from early 2000's through > to earlier this year. It is a great music streaming solution, and still the only thing I'd recommend to anyone if they weren't going to use Roon. Fundamentally what Roon provides me with from a user experience perspective is deeper and richer ways to explore my music collection, something that just isn't possible with LMS. Some examples: I like to read artist biographies and album reviews. Other artists, albums, composers etc. named therein can be clicked through from within the biographies or reviews. Let's say I like Simon Phillips' work as a drummer and would like to find every album in my library where he makes an appearance...simply go to an album he appears in or search for him as an artist and click through...you'll be presented a complete list of albums in your library he's appeared on, many of which may be complete surprises to you unless you're a walking encyclopedia of music. If it's something I'm going to want to come back to often I can bookmark that and any other filtered result I care to see without having to redefine/ re-specify the criteria. If I want to see all albums released by a specific record label within a selected genre(s) that's pretty simple too. I can browse all Soundtracks, EPs, Singles or any combination of genres, years, decades, audio formats etc. at the touch of a button. When I'm browsing an artist I can see their main albums, Singles and EPs and appearances logically arranged. I also have at my fingertips a list of artists that are Similar To, Followed By, Influenced By and Associated With that artist. Whilst this kind of exploration may not appeal to everyone, I find it incredibly useful, it's something I've always wanted to be an integral part of my listening experience and unfortunately it's something LMS simply cannot provide. SqueezeWand | 'Vivere DAC MKI' (http://vivereaudio.com/post/2013/08/16/DAC-I-is-Born!.aspx) | 'ATC SCA2' (http://www.atcloudspeakers.co.uk/hi-fi/electronics/source-pre-amplifiers/sca2/) | 'ATC SCM100ASLT' (http://www.atcloudspeakers.co.uk/hi-fi/loudspeakers/tower-series/scm100aslt/) *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* - now packaged in most Linux distributions. audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105146 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software
mlsstl wrote: > I've looked at Roon and am not sure I'm interested. Its two strong > points seem to be an attractive graphic interface and the ability to > bring its own, additional metadata (tags) to the party. > > The first item is kind of a "meh" for me -- I play my stereo in order to > listen to music and the LMS/Squeezebox system works great for this. The > latter seems interesting, since it appears it'd add more info to what > I've collected in my own system, but then I'm currently not having too > hard a time finding the music I want to listen to. > > So that's where I stand right now -- some interesting possibilities but > it hardly seems worth a $120 annual subscription or $500 fee up front. > > Have I missed something?I was a Squeezebox/LMS user from early 2000's through > to earlier this year. It is a great music streaming solution, and still the only thing I'd recommend to anyone if they weren't going to use Roon. Fundamentally what Roon provides me with from a user experience perspective is deeper and richer ways to explore my music collection, something that just isn't possible with LMS. Some examples: I like to read artist biographies and album reviews. Other artists, albums, composers etc. named therein can be clicked through from within the biographies or reviews. Let's say I like Simon Phillips' work as a drummer and would like to find every album in my library where he makes an appearance...simply go to an album he appears in or search for him as an artist and click through...you'll be presented a complete list of albums in your library he's appeared on, many of which may be complete surprises to you unless you're a walking encyclopedia of music. If it's something I'm going to want to come back to often I can bookmark that and any other filtered result I care to see without having to redefine/ re-specify the criteria. If I want to see all albums released by a specific record label within a selected genre(s) that's pretty simple too. I can browse all Soundtracks, EPs, Singles or any combination of genres, years, decades etc. at the touch of a button. When I'm browsing an artist I can see their main albums, Singles and EPs and appearances logically arranged. I also have at my fingertips a list of artists that are Similar To, Followed By, Influenced By and Associated With that artist. Whilst this kind of exploration may not appeal to everyone, I find it incredibly useful, it's something I've always wanted to be an integral part of my listening experience and unfortunately it's something LMS simply cannot provide. SqueezeWand | 'Vivere DAC MKI' (http://vivereaudio.com/post/2013/08/16/DAC-I-is-Born!.aspx) | 'ATC SCA2' (http://www.atcloudspeakers.co.uk/hi-fi/electronics/source-pre-amplifiers/sca2/) | 'ATC SCM100ASLT' (http://www.atcloudspeakers.co.uk/hi-fi/loudspeakers/tower-series/scm100aslt/) *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* - now packaged in most Linux distributions. audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105146 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software
I wouldn't worry about the Roon dev team pursuing trivial developments, they know their oats. SqueezeWand | 'Vivere DAC MKI' (http://vivereaudio.com/post/2013/08/16/DAC-I-is-Born!.aspx) | 'ATC SCA2' (http://www.atcloudspeakers.co.uk/hi-fi/electronics/source-pre-amplifiers/sca2/) | 'ATC SCM100ASLT' (http://www.atcloudspeakers.co.uk/hi-fi/loudspeakers/tower-series/scm100aslt/) *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* - now packaged in most Linux distributions. audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105146 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software
Mnyb wrote: > The meaningful thing for roon to do would be to make RAAT open source . > > Now they have some certification program btw and try to uphold some QC > over how endpoints behave which is both good and bad , two different > ways of doing stuff .AFAIK the SDK is free to hardware manufacturers. SqueezeWand | 'Vivere DAC MKI' (http://vivereaudio.com/post/2013/08/16/DAC-I-is-Born!.aspx) | 'ATC SCA2' (http://www.atcloudspeakers.co.uk/hi-fi/electronics/source-pre-amplifiers/sca2/) | 'ATC SCM100ASLT' (http://www.atcloudspeakers.co.uk/hi-fi/loudspeakers/tower-series/scm100aslt/) *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* - now packaged in most Linux distributions. audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105146 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software
Mnyb wrote: > Afaik they don't sync between different supported hardware ? > > You can sync up all your squeezeboxes or all your meridian endpoints or > auralics or sonic orbiters sound cards USB DAC's etc Nope, with the release > of Roon Bridge you can now sync any devices on your network. SqueezeWand | 'Vivere DAC MKI' (http://vivereaudio.com/post/2013/08/16/DAC-I-is-Born!.aspx) | 'ATC SCA2' (http://www.atcloudspeakers.co.uk/hi-fi/electronics/source-pre-amplifiers/sca2/) | 'ATC SCM100ASLT' (http://www.atcloudspeakers.co.uk/hi-fi/loudspeakers/tower-series/scm100aslt/) *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* - now packaged in most Linux distributions. audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105146 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software
Julf wrote: > What protocols does it use?'RAAT (Roon Advanced Audio Transport)' > (https://kb.roonlabs.com/RAAT) Roon supports many different kinds of output devices, including: - RoonReady Networked devices. - Connected outputs, including USB DACs, sound cards, and built-in outputs - AirPlay devices - Logitech's Squeezebox devices - Meridian Audio's networked endpoints - HQPlayer SqueezeWand | 'Vivere DAC MKI' (http://vivereaudio.com/post/2013/08/16/DAC-I-is-Born!.aspx) | 'ATC SCA2' (http://www.atcloudspeakers.co.uk/hi-fi/electronics/source-pre-amplifiers/sca2/) | 'ATC SCM100ASLT' (http://www.atcloudspeakers.co.uk/hi-fi/loudspeakers/tower-series/scm100aslt/) *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* - now packaged in most Linux distributions. audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105146 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software
Roon 1.2, incorporating full Linux/x64 and Linux/armv7hf support (as Music Server and as transport/ endpoint), Internet Radio, iPhone and Android apps and synchronised playback across all endpoints grouped into a zone (regardless of whether it's a DAC, an AVR etc. etc.. SqueezeWand | 'Vivere DAC MKI' (http://vivereaudio.com/post/2013/08/16/DAC-I-is-Born!.aspx) | 'ATC SCA2' (http://www.atcloudspeakers.co.uk/hi-fi/electronics/source-pre-amplifiers/sca2/) | 'ATC SCM100ASLT' (http://www.atcloudspeakers.co.uk/hi-fi/loudspeakers/tower-series/scm100aslt/) *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* - now packaged in most Linux distributions. audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105146 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] AudioQuest's Casablanca moment
TimT wrote: > Perhaps. Consider this: John Audiophile has just dropped $15,000 on a > pair of speakers, $7500 on amplification and playback. What > interconnects does he buy? $15 for a pair of 10-foot speaker cables? Or > does he spend $300 on a "name brand" pair? Maybe $300 won't buy him > better sound; but almost certainly, John A thinks, it won't buy him > worse sound. No question that John can afford to spend more. What would > you do? What does the "rational audiophile" do?I'll answer i.r.o. what I did > and have stayed with having dropped $30,000 in 2004 money on a pair of active speakers and preamplifier. I bought a run of Belden 1800F and as many Neutrik connectors as I needed to make up interconnects from DAC to preamp and preamp to speakers, had them made up and soldered using silver solder. Over the years I've had many audiophiles through my place, many with exotic cable in hand to prove I was missing something. After listening they've all left disappointed. SqueezeWand | 'Vivere DAC MKI' (http://vivereaudio.com/post/2013/08/16/DAC-I-is-Born!.aspx) | 'ATC SCA2' (http://www.atcloudspeakers.co.uk/hi-fi/electronics/source-pre-amplifiers/sca2/) | 'ATC SCM100ASLT' (http://www.atcloudspeakers.co.uk/hi-fi/loudspeakers/tower-series/scm100aslt/) *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* - now packaged in most Linux distributions. audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105173 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] AudioQuest's Casablanca moment
Take cables ... a fool and their money are soon parted. SqueezeWand | 'Vivere DAC MKI' (http://vivereaudio.com/post/2013/08/16/DAC-I-is-Born!.aspx) | 'ATC SCA2' (http://www.atcloudspeakers.co.uk/hi-fi/electronics/source-pre-amplifiers/sca2/) | 'ATC SCM100ASLT' (http://www.atcloudspeakers.co.uk/hi-fi/loudspeakers/tower-series/scm100aslt/) *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* - now packaged in most Linux distributions. audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105173 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] AudioQuest's Casablanca moment
ralphpnj wrote: > ...in all things high end audio, hypocrisy has no bounds.agreed, and it's > surpassed only by stupidity. SqueezeWand | 'Vivere DAC MKI' (http://vivereaudio.com/post/2013/08/16/DAC-I-is-Born!.aspx) | 'ATC SCA2' (http://www.atcloudspeakers.co.uk/hi-fi/electronics/source-pre-amplifiers/sca2/) | 'ATC SCM100ASLT' (http://www.atcloudspeakers.co.uk/hi-fi/loudspeakers/tower-series/scm100aslt/) *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* - now packaged in most Linux distributions. audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105173 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] AudioQuest's Casablanca moment
far as I'm concerned people that fall victim to that nonsense are audiophools, seemingly incapable of exercising critical thinking. SqueezeWand | 'Vivere DAC MKI' (http://vivereaudio.com/post/2013/08/16/DAC-I-is-Born!.aspx) | 'ATC SCA2' (http://www.atcloudspeakers.co.uk/hi-fi/electronics/source-pre-amplifiers/sca2/) | 'ATC SCM100ASLT' (http://www.atcloudspeakers.co.uk/hi-fi/loudspeakers/tower-series/scm100aslt/) *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* - now packaged in most Linux distributions. audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105173 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] AudioQuest's Casablanca moment
ralphpnj wrote: > Speaking of old, it seems that ripping audiophiles off never gets old.I think > you mean audiophools. SqueezeWand | 'Vivere DAC MKI' (http://vivereaudio.com/post/2013/08/16/DAC-I-is-Born!.aspx) | 'ATC SCA2' (http://www.atcloudspeakers.co.uk/hi-fi/electronics/source-pre-amplifiers/sca2/) | 'ATC SCM100ASLT' (http://www.atcloudspeakers.co.uk/hi-fi/loudspeakers/tower-series/scm100aslt/) *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* - now packaged in most Linux distributions. audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105173 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software
Mnyb wrote: > Btw can some expand on have the sofware works headless/remotely ie the > interface is not on the machine running it ? > > Web UI other UI and ofcourse apps . And is there any setup chore that > must be done from a desktop UI ?Roon functionality comes in Desktop, headless > server and tablet app form. All config and setup can be done from desktop or tablet apps. One instance is set up as the core whilst the remainder then function as control points. Unfortunately there's presently no web ui and it's unlikely there'll be a desktop app for Linux. SqueezeWand | 'Vivere DAC MKI' (http://vivereaudio.com/post/2013/08/16/DAC-I-is-Born!.aspx) | 'ATC SCA2' (http://www.atcloudspeakers.co.uk/hi-fi/electronics/source-pre-amplifiers/sca2/) | 'ATC SCM100ASLT' (http://www.atcloudspeakers.co.uk/hi-fi/loudspeakers/tower-series/scm100aslt/) *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* - now packaged in most Linux distributions. audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105146 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software
ralphpnj wrote: > Thanks for the very informative post. You answered many of my questions. > And for the record, my music library has 42k albums and 550k tracksBloody > hell, and I thought I had issues :P Given the size of your library I'd suggest you point Roon to a subsection to get a fewel for it during the trial period. It analyses the audio stream in every file to be able to recognise it even if renamed at a later point, calculate replaygain etc. for itself. That analysis will take some time in a library that large. The good news is you can still use it whilst all that's happening...it's just not as responsive as it is once the analysis is complete. My guess would be that if the analysis is done on a local machine housing the music it'd be a lot quicker than over a network (which is the case in my present setup). SqueezeWand | 'Vivere DAC MKI' (http://vivereaudio.com/post/2013/08/16/DAC-I-is-Born!.aspx) | 'ATC SCA2' (http://www.atcloudspeakers.co.uk/hi-fi/electronics/source-pre-amplifiers/sca2/) | 'ATC SCM100ASLT' (http://www.atcloudspeakers.co.uk/hi-fi/loudspeakers/tower-series/scm100aslt/) *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* - now packaged in most Linux distributions. audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105146 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software
Bought a lifetime Roon license and haven't looked back. Currently using Squeezelite running on Wandboard Quads as transports. Once Roon Bridge is released I doubt I'd continue using Squeezelite. Roon aside, LMS remains the best and most versatile music server I've ever encountered. Long live LMS and Squeezelite. SqueezeWand | 'Vivere DAC MKI' (http://vivereaudio.com/post/2013/08/16/DAC-I-is-Born!.aspx) | 'ATC SCA2' (http://www.atcloudspeakers.co.uk/hi-fi/electronics/source-pre-amplifiers/sca2/) | 'ATC SCM100ASLT' (http://www.atcloudspeakers.co.uk/hi-fi/loudspeakers/tower-series/scm100aslt/) *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* - now packaged in most Linux distributions. audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105146 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software
ralphpnj wrote: > First are you familiar with Muso?I am, I have a perpetual license somewhere > in an email as I was one of the original testers. I haven't used it in some time though as I'm principally a Linux user. Roon basically embodies just about everything I could want from a music server, it's metadata rich, it can use its own metadata or yours or both, leverages the metadata to enable exploration of your music, it's fast, enables filtering of browsing/playback by multiple criteria, has artist biographies, album reviews, lyrics etc. and streams bit-perfect audio. I saw your comment re wishing Roon had a plugin for LMS. Truth is it doesn't need it, just download and install it and point it to your library as a Watched Folder (don't use Organised folder unless you want it to move your files). Terminate LMS and enable Squeezebox support in Roon and your SBx players will appear within Roon. 14 day free trial, nothing to lose. SqueezeWand | 'Vivere DAC MKI' (http://vivereaudio.com/post/2013/08/16/DAC-I-is-Born!.aspx) | 'ATC SCA2' (http://www.atcloudspeakers.co.uk/hi-fi/electronics/source-pre-amplifiers/sca2/) | 'ATC SCM100ASLT' (http://www.atcloudspeakers.co.uk/hi-fi/loudspeakers/tower-series/scm100aslt/) *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* - now packaged in most Linux distributions. audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105146 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software
ralphpnj wrote: > ...handles my rather large music library. Basically what really > intrigues my about Roon is the rich and robust metadata along with, as > you so nicely put it, the leveraging of that metadata enhance one's > listening experience, an area where Muso, though pretty good, still > falls well short.What do you term "rather large"? I'm running 22.6k albums/ > 334k tracks located on an Arch Linux based i3. Roon's running on win server 2012 R2 on an old Asus P5E64 WS Pro board (iX38 Intel ICH9R chipset) with 8GB DDR3-1333, Core 2 Quad Processor Q6600 and it's very responsive. Searches are a lot quicker than via iPeng and faster than LMS. I used to keep LMS' database on a ramdisk and performance was great. I don't think there's anything out there that delivers as rich and immersive an experience iro leveraging metadata to enhance your listening experience. As a simple example LMS is great at surfacing links between artists and tracks if you've captured that data. With Roon you don't have to have captured that data... more often than not Roon knows who's appeared on a track so you end up finding instances where a favourite artist has appeared elsewhere in your library that you had no idea of. A pet hate I have iro LMS and all the wifi apps is that when you browse an artist you're presented with a long mixed bag laundry list of everything they've appeared in that's surfaced by your tags - their albums, appearances, compilations, bootlegs all mixed together in one glorious mess...good luck finding an album you're after if you have a lot of compilations. Roon sorts that lot and presents them on the same screen differentiating between main albums, singles and EPs, appearances on other artist's albums and then compilations. I gave up asking for this in LMS. It also lists Similar To, Followed by, Influenced by and Associated with that appears in your library (which can incorporate Tidal albums seamlessly). There's work to do on Classical music and metadata editing/ customization within Roon's database and it's underway...I've no doubt the end result will be fantastic...the Roon team are music lovers and they get it. SqueezeWand | 'Vivere DAC MKI' (http://vivereaudio.com/post/2013/08/16/DAC-I-is-Born!.aspx) | 'ATC SCA2' (http://www.atcloudspeakers.co.uk/hi-fi/electronics/source-pre-amplifiers/sca2/) | 'ATC SCM100ASLT' (http://www.atcloudspeakers.co.uk/hi-fi/loudspeakers/tower-series/scm100aslt/) *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* - now packaged in most Linux distributions. audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105146 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What Would You Replace a Transporter With?
^^^ if the BDP series is anything to go by...run... As fast as you can in another direction. SqueezeWand | 'Vivere DAC MKI' (http://vivereaudio.com/post/2013/08/16/DAC-I-is-Born!.aspx) | 'ATC SCA2' (http://www.atcloudspeakers.co.uk/hi-fi/electronics/source-pre-amplifiers/sca2/) | 'ATC SCM100ASLT' (http://www.atcloudspeakers.co.uk/hi-fi/loudspeakers/tower-series/scm100aslt/) *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* - now packaged in most Linux distributions. audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=100948 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What Would You Replace a Transporter With?
Simple answer is get something like a Wandboard + Squeezelite as transport and add the asynchronous USB DAC of your choosing. SqueezeWand | 'Vivere DAC MKI' (http://vivereaudio.com/post/2013/08/16/DAC-I-is-Born!.aspx) | 'ATC SCA2' (http://www.atcloudspeakers.co.uk/hi-fi/electronics/source-pre-amplifiers/sca2/) | 'ATC SCM100ASLT' (http://www.atcloudspeakers.co.uk/hi-fi/loudspeakers/tower-series/scm100aslt/) *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* - now packaged in most Linux distributions. audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=100948 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 7.8.0 - Best sounding server so far.
It's a real pity bit it was inevitable that as streamed audio gained mainstream acceptance the audiophool community and the industry they sustain would quickly jump on it and now we have audiophile OS tweaks, USB cables, PCs, RAM PSUs, SSD, playback software etc. To make matters worse they've invaded the mainstream of audio discussion forums rather than form their own forum where all the delusional audiophiles in the world with hearing acuity far in excess of mere mortals can sit and share the merits of their delusion. digital groove | 'Vivere DAC MKI' (http://vivereaudio.com/post/2013/08/16/DAC-I-is-Born!.aspx) | 'ATC SCA2' (http://www.atcloudspeakers.co.uk/hi-fi/electronics/source-pre-amplifiers/sca2/) | 'ATC SCM100ASLT' (http://www.atcloudspeakers.co.uk/hi-fi/loudspeakers/tower-series/scm100aslt/) *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* - now packaged in most Linux distributions. audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101417 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Bryston BDP-2 as a squeezebox client
Not tried LMS/BDP combo but having had first hand experience with the BDP1 I would not waste my money pursuing this. Use a Wandboard with CSOS and you'll have an equally capable transport designed with LMS integration in mind at a fraction of the cost. digital groove | 'Vivere DAC MKI' (http://vivereaudio.com/post/2013/08/16/DAC-I-is-Born!.aspx) | 'ATC SCA2' (http://www.atcloudspeakers.co.uk/hi-fi/electronics/source-pre-amplifiers/sca2/) | 'ATC SCM100ASLT' (http://www.atcloudspeakers.co.uk/hi-fi/loudspeakers/tower-series/scm100aslt/) *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* - now packaged in most Linux distributions. audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101420 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Does an audiophile Squeezebox (digital out only) exist now?
@ eduardoo What kit are you running and what acoustic treatments do you have in your listening space? digital groove | 'Vivere DAC MKI' (http://vivereaudio.com/post/2013/08/16/DAC-I-is-Born!.aspx) | 'ATC SCA2' (http://www.atcloudspeakers.co.uk/hi-fi/electronics/source-pre-amplifiers/sca2/) | 'ATC SCM100ASLT' (http://www.atcloudspeakers.co.uk/hi-fi/loudspeakers/tower-series/scm100aslt/) *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* - now packaged in most Linux distributions. audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=100850 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Get out your shovels
ralphpnj wrote: Get out your shovels and open your wallet because the BS is strong in this one: http://www.thecableco.com/newsletter-detail.aspx?iid=5881 So how much did you pay for them? digital groove | 'Vivere DAC MKI' (http://vivereaudio.com/post/2013/08/16/DAC-I-is-Born!.aspx) | 'ATC SCA2' (http://www.atcloudspeakers.co.uk/hi-fi/electronics/source-pre-amplifiers/sca2/) | 'ATC SCM100ASLT' (http://www.atcloudspeakers.co.uk/hi-fi/loudspeakers/tower-series/scm100aslt/) *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* - now packaged in most Linux distributions. audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=100282 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Amazing USB cable breakthrough!!
Why not just ignore the audiofool debate rather than invite it to manifest again. This sub-forum became a complete waste of time annd remained that way for quite some time. Now some semblance of sanity has returned let's keep it that way so the hacks and misguided play elsewhere. digital groove | 'Vivere DAC MKI' (http://vivereaudio.com/post/2013/08/16/DAC-I-is-Born!.aspx) | 'ATC SCA2' (http://www.atcloudspeakers.co.uk/hi-fi/electronics/source-pre-amplifiers/sca2/) | 'ATC SCM100ASLT' (http://www.atcloudspeakers.co.uk/hi-fi/loudspeakers/tower-series/scm100aslt/) *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* - now packaged in most Linux distributions. audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=100230 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is my Transporter's time up?
On Friday I listened to a custom DAC that employs the Sabre chip in a friend's setup - we both own TP's and I've listened to his setup on numerous occasions. The TP was used as transport and I was blown away by the soundstage and the detail resolved by this DAC. I'd already switched to a PS Audio Digital Link III, but will definitely be moving to this custom DAC when the design is finalised. The TP is no slouch, but you can do better these days where DACs are concerned. It makes for a great transport if you're not planning on playing back 24/96. audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96011 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Open Letter to Music Pirates from NPR
I agree that the very limited availability of lossless content is an issue that the industry seems unwilling to address - to their own detriment. Additionally, as a music loving consumer today I'm faced with: - very few (if any) record stores with decent depth and breadth of catalogue beyond the current so called top 20 - limited availability in my neighbourhood/ country of CDs by artists I enjoy (sure, I can order them through the local stores, pay a hefty premium and wait 4-7 weeks for them to arrive) - very limited ability to purchase music in lossless format - (often) poorly mastered CDs with little to no dynamic range - (many) popular music artists putting out completely forgettable albums containing a single or two that you'd spin for a few days/ weeks and then spit out like old chewing gum. How many really classic albums have been released since Nirvana's heyday? The end result is artists putting out disposable crap are ignored and I buy a lot less than I otherwise would (you can gear their current crap on the radio anytime you care to turn it on for at least a month following release --- it's meaningless drivel anyhow), and when I do, if it's not a lossless download from places like Bandcamp it's usually an album from a musician whose music I know well, ordered from Amazon. I'd not be at all surprised if it was found that the overwhelming majority of music piracy is carried out by teens and people in their 20's and the pirated content is the mindless drivel/ disposable crap I refer to above - it is after all stuff that has little to no artistic or intrinsic value and it's probably treated accordingly. audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95541 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Need Repair for Dead Transporter
Disappointing to read about Logitech's refusal to assist, and I do hope you're able to force them into resolving the issue Rob, because the TP's a nice piece of kit and a very pricy (overpriced by today's standards) one at that. But really guys, you carry on as if the TP is the last word in audio fidelity. Personally I don't think Logitech should ever contemplate a TP v2 - it's not their game, sphere of competence or the market they serve - all of that was in the Slimdevices domain. What Logitech do have that's important to me is the Squeezebox ecosystem, without which my enjoyment of my music would be severely diminished. I've purchased a few SB Touch devices and use them as players wherever I want to listen to music. In my listening room I've forgone the TP, replacing it with a Touch as transport, feeding an external DAC (which I've come to prefer over the TP). The point is, as good as the TP is/ was, there are better (and cheaper) DACs on the market today. audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95537 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Need Repair for Dead Transporter
Disappointing to read about Logitech's refusal to assist, and I do hope youre able to force them into resolving the issue Rob, because the TP's a nice piece of kit and a very pricy (overpriced by today's standards) one at that. But really guys, you carry on as if the TP is the last word in audio fidelity. Personally I don't think Logitech should ever contemplate a TP v2 - it's not their game, sphere of competence or the market they serve - all of that was in the Slimdevices domain. What Logitech do have that's important to me is the Squeezebox ecosystem, without which my enjoyment of my music would be severely diminished. I've purchased a few SB Touch devices and use them as players wherever I want to listen to music. In my listening room I've forgone the TP, replacing it with a Touch as transport, feeding an external DAC (which I've come to prefer over the TP). The point is, as good as the TP is/ was, there are better (and cheaper) DACs on the market today. Rob, if you don't come right, do yourself a favour and have a listen to the PS Audio Digital Link III and the Audiolab M-DAC as options. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised. audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95537 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best server for Transporter
HP Microserver audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95477 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best server for Transporter
That's way too much pc cost if all you want is a quiet box on which to host LMS. audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95477 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] The TT3.0 is quite good thread
Please move you sh1t to the DIY forum, it has no place here. audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94515 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] If the question is 'is there a better LMS frond end ?'
Does it improve the sound ??? -- audiomuze *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94212 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] speaker placement
what do your ears tell you? -- audiomuze *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93802 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter poll: Sharp roll-off or Slow roll-off?
How's it configured? -- audiomuze *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93466 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Should one hear sound directly from speakers?
In my setup I find I only hear the speakers if they're toed-in too far i.e. the tweeters are both pointing directly to where your head would be in your listening position. In my setup it makes the soundstage quite narrow with a lot of stuff coming from the speakers rather than being placed in the soundstage. The way my speakers are toed-in at present they create a wide soundstage and as long as I'm on-axis where I'm seated neither speaker is discernible. -- audiomuze *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93434 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audio Myths!
Mnyb;684227 Wrote: in the wav-flac-wav case the corect answer is there in thier own data set for everyone to see, and yet they are incapable of seing it rigth in front of them !?How can they think like that ? What is wrong . Where audiophoolia is concerned logic needn't apply -- audiomuze *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92918 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] TAS raises the bar - again!
Their next series is on soundcheck mods and their universal applicability to all network enabled DACs. -- audiomuze *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92168 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audio Myths!
I agree with adamdea and garym, there's so much bullsh1t being sprouted in this forum these days that a Squeezebox newcomer couldn't tell the wood from the trees. -- audiomuze *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92918 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audio Myths!
Mennace;683313 Wrote: anyway, I think it's cool we have a little control of SPDIF, this IS the first thing going into the system, just as important as the speakers roomthe only time the SPDIF is going to make any discernible difference is through reduced jitter. The Touch has already been shown to have low jitter, why not take some measurements and demonstrate the improvements all the tweaking brings about. Seriously, I don't think I've ever read as many audiophile superlatives as are in the Touch mod threads anywhere in any medium. Any audiofool magazine looking to recruit reviewers need look no further than that thread. and I'll say it again, I cannot help but wonder how many of the tweakers have the equipment and listening space to be able to resolve and discern the so called differences. Is it any wonder even the tweakers are finding the outcome of the tweaks are not universal? Now I suppose that comes down to differences in quality or function of components in the Touch. It couldn't possibly be that the tweaks are actually meaningless. dasmueller;683315 Wrote: this is not the newcomer forum, so we need to be conscience of them and taylor our discussusions here? This has got to be a fairly specialized forum, I doubt 95% of the people ever see this audiophile forumActually, this forum used to be a place of reasoned discussion where many of the participants had a lot to offer in terms of technical knowledge and experience. People looking to learn or glean insight into particular aspects of audio were able to gain a lot of insight by participating in this audiophile forum. With the current proliferation of baseless BS, that's no longer the case, the S/N ratio in this forum is out of control and many of the former participants are no longer here for that very reason. -- audiomuze *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92918 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Ode to room acoustics
ob_kook;683111 Wrote: My room today has a cathedral cieling, losts of beautiful architecture angles, hardwood floors, and sparse wall coverings. What is there is hard glass covered paintaings, a fired clay sculpture, and that's about it.Nostalgia aside, catherdral ceilings, bare walls and hard surfaces would be the culprits here. -- audiomuze *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92936 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audio Myths!
Ron Olsen;682975 Wrote: This is an important video to understand how human hearing works. We hear with our brain, not with our ears. Important takeaways: Hearing can be steered. Expectation bias influences perception.and as a result you get this: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 -- audiomuze *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92918 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What Amp and Speakers Are You Using?
cliveb;90935 Wrote: Well, now I'm confused. On this forum, and in the pinkfishmedia thread Andrew has referenced, the Behringer gets the thumbs-up. Meanwhile the pros over at rec.audio.pro, who I trust to know what they're talking about, have soundly poo-poo'd the idea that it's possible to fix an acoustic (room) problem with EQ, no matter how sophisticated. I think my next step may be to contact a pro supplier (such as Digital Village) to see if they know where I hire one for a couple of weeks to try out in my own room/system. One thing's for sure: if it works, then at 200 quid it's a steal.You can only fix a problem at a specific ilstening location using EQ, but in doing so you're changing acoustic response elsewhere in the room. Also, EQ cannot eliminate cancellation. You're better off finding the optimum listening location for your room, tweaking your speaker positioning and using bass traps. -- audiomuze *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21643 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What's happened to Phil Leigh?
-- audiomuze *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92925 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What's happened to Phil Leigh?
It'd be great if all the Touch mod threads and questions could be moved to the Touch or DIY forums. Why they were started here is beyond me. -- audiomuze *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92925 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Advice please - upgrade priority
You cannot achieve the same results with digital room correction as you can applying acoustic treatments to a room. DRC may address a particular issue at a location in the room whilst introducing others and cannot eliminate cancellations, whereas appropriate acoustic treatments can. -- audiomuze *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92924 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audio Myths!
I can't help but wonder how many of you implementing all these improvements have the hi-fi equipment and properly configured listening space to actually be able to resolve and discern the purported differences. -- audiomuze *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92918 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
Just a question - are you tweakers predominantly using analog or digital out on the TP? -- audiomuze *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
^^^ meant Touch. So, given you're effectively using an external DAC, and the Touch is already pretty good on the digital side,what could all these tweaks possibly achieve? -- audiomuze *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
guidof;680652 Wrote: Mo' better . . .where you get your weed? -- audiomuze *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
f'n hilarious, this thread gives new meaning to audiophoolia. -- audiomuze *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
SBGK;680688 Wrote: please enlighten us about the new meaning, is there a cure ? do you have a point to make ? It's just fascinating that many participants in this thread would appear to have golden ears and a sufficiently commanding grasp of 'audiophile' terminology to become writers for any number of so called hi-fi publications. -- audiomuze *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Logitech Transporter for sale
Touch apparantly has lower jitter passthrough than the Transporter. Looks like an external DAC is in use, hence Touch is being used only as a transport. -- audiomuze *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88844 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0
89 pages of otherwise intelligent people tossing around hogwash...go figure :D -- audiomuze *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84742 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] official Dynamic Range Foobar plugin
I realise this is a foobar plugin, but it strikes me there is no DR analysis software freely available for Linux and that PMF want payment for use of the software excl. your fb2k plugin. Surely widespread adoption and awareness amongst the consumer population would do a lot more to add pressure to record co execs to pull their heads out of their asses and stop insisting on everything being butchered? Hell, having and publishing a decent DR value on an album sleeve could actually become a selling point. I can't help but think that free DR analysis software available for Lin, Win Mac would yield a much better outcome for all, and could easily aid in building a substantial DR database. -- audiomuze *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=90229 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Forget 24/192 how about 24/384?
^^^ there is, it's called marketing... -- audiomuze *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=89733 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How to browse my HD audio tracks?
I use puddletag to automagically append [24/96], [24/48] etc. to album names for albums other than 16/44.1. I don't bother browsing for them though, I choose my music based on what I want to listen to rather than resolution. If I really want to find just high res stuff I just search for '[24/' or something else that reflects the resolution I'm after. If you're getting stuff from HDTracks the process is a lot simpler - just file under crap! -- audiomuze *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=89863 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How to browse my HD audio tracks?
^^^ in other words...crap! ;) -- audiomuze *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=89863 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How to browse my HD audio tracks?
I've seen enough of their so called high res masters to know a good proportion is crap and the original CD is better. Layla would be a good example of the crap I'm referring to. -- audiomuze *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=89863 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How to browse my HD audio tracks?
ralphpnj;655501 Wrote: That's why I will not buy anything from HDtracks until each and every one of their high resolution releases is truly hi-rez and is not dynamically compressed. Or as you put it, is no longer crap.No way I'd support them going forward, not unless they were prepared to attest to every release truly being from the master recording and are prepared to post the waveform and DR info so I can decide for myself whether the release is something worth paying for. -- audiomuze *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=89863 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How to browse my HD audio tracks?
Harry G;655512 Wrote: Has anyone else noticed that MusicIP won't analyze a high percentage of their tracks? Any workaround?Yep...delete them! Seriously though, for those I've kept, genpuid has had no issues doing the analysis. -- audiomuze *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=89863 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter Popping Sounds
^^^ I regularly switch between various resolutions as I listen and I've never noticed any popping, though my preamp or directly to my speakers. -- audiomuze *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88679 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Logitech Transporter for sale
Replaced with? -- audiomuze *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88844 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter Popping Sounds
Mine's stock standard and doesn't make any noise switching between files of differing resolution. -- audiomuze *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88679 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is Transporter compatible with CAT6 cabling?
bits;617578 Wrote: Why do it? The ethernet port on your transporter is only capable of 100mbit/sec, standard cat5 was capable of that over a 100m run. Would you replace the perfectly capable and fine power lead on your kettle for $10?Well, if I were in the process of networking my home and forked out for a roll of CAT6 or 7 I'd use it rather than specially go and buy a 5 cable just for the transporter. You could also connect the cable to a switch and the Transporter to the switch, thereby allowing you to exploit the additional speed on for other applications e.g. moving data across the network. -- audiomuze *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86292 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is Transporter compatible with CAT6 cabling?
Spent the afternoon installing CAT6 cable running from music room to study (Music server). My WAP works using either of the two cable runs I've connected, however, my Transporter tells me there's no ethernet link. I'm guessing it doesn't support CAT6, right? -- audiomuze *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86292 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is Transporter compatible with CAT6 cabling?
Problem solved - I hadn't seated the connector properly when plugging into Transporter. No more Ethernet over power - objective achieved. -- audiomuze *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86292 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Does Server-side FLAC-PCM conversion DOWNSAMPLE 24bit/96khz
diego;603371 Wrote: Easy, I am not offending anybody. However, Andy wrote at one point, that the opinion of one of his customers (who DID actual tests...) was FUD. I would not write like that about my customers, even though I am a fairly recognized expert in my professional domain, too... How does the following: andyg;563052 Wrote: Yes, they are the same. FLAC - native is best, don't believe the FUD you read about PCM sounding better than FLAC.constitute referring to his customer's opinion as FUD? -- audiomuze *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84787 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
Ok, I've retested both Koln and Raven studio masters compressed -8, scrolling on and VU meters on. No pops/ clicks. I think the problem's been resolved. Thx again to Andy. -- audiomuze *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
Wombat;600140 Wrote: Thanks for doing so! If i remember right there never were complaints about 24/96 at -8 until someone listened The Raven by Rebecca Pidgeon. This one could be a real stress test.Both Koln Concert and Raven studio masters compressed at -8 play back without any clicks/ pops, even with the VU meters going. -- audiomuze *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
andyg;600580 Wrote: It'll be in the build on Monday.Will it be FW86 on 7.6 or will a manual firmware update be required? -- audiomuze *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
andyg;600663 Wrote: To test, you want to have scrolling enabled, play a song with long enough text to cause scrolling, and run the vis. I wouldn't change the scrolling values, if you push them too high you are going to run into problems, the default is 30fps and looks pretty good.Hmm, I'd better retest, scrolling's enabled but I doubt any would've happened during either Koln or Raven. Will set display string to something that will def scroll, retest revert. -- audiomuze *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
audiomuze;600135 Wrote: I'll recode the koln concert to -8 and revert. 12 mins into part a re-encoded -8 and not a pop nor a click, so if my settings as shown above are ensuring no transcode to wav, then all's good. -- audiomuze *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
Just listening to I Robot 24/192 DVD-A rip. Sure, it's being transcoded vix sox, but no clicks/ pops during playback. -- audiomuze *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
Stevie Nicks - Bella Donna 24/96 also fine. Andy, I think the problem's solved. Thx very much, truly appreciated. -- audiomuze *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
I'll recode the koln concert to -8 and revert. -- audiomuze *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
Wombat;600140 Wrote: If i remember right there never were complaints about 24/96 at -8 until someone listened The Raven by Rebecca Pidgeon. This one could be a real stress test.may have that also, will have a look. -- audiomuze *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
Please remember to revert SBS to playing FLAC natively before testing the beta firmware and reporting the results. -- audiomuze *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
Ok, I'm 22 mins into koln concert pt1 and not a single click or pop. I think this has solved it (fw 85) - assuming of course I've correctly turned off FLACPCM decoding. What are others finding? -- audiomuze *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
Is anyone at Logitech onto this, it's bloody annoying when trying to appreciate one's music? Has a bug been filed? -- audiomuze *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
Mnyb;599414 Wrote: Not to my knowledge , I don't have a TP so i can not have the bug (and therefore not report it) . Complaining in this tread won't accomplish a thing, a real bug report must be started a developer assigned to the bug and some suitable test track sent to Logitechwasn't complaining, was asking whether or not a bug has been filed yet and/or whether the dev's were dealing with it. Mnyb;599414 Wrote: possibly the Köln Concert with Keit Jarret in 24/96 from HD-tracks. that's exactly what I've been trying to listen to. Mnyb;599414 Wrote: Work around by sending everything as pcm untill further notice...Workaround...they've rendered the Transporter defective! -- audiomuze *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
Ok, I've filed a bug report, please vote for it. -- audiomuze *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
anyone have a quick link to fw 84? -- audiomuze *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
I noticed the same issue a few nights back playing Diana Krall - Quiet Nights 24/96, and was baffled as it'd never occurred prior. Please advise whether the bug's been filed so I can vote for it. -- audiomuze *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Problem with 24Bit/96Khz
Seems to me this could be a more extreme case of http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 -- audiomuze *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84109 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Sound quality between wav and flac
Phil Leigh;570594 Wrote: But - where do YOU stand? :-) Lossless = WAV = Lossless...if there's something about decoding lossless at the player side my Transporter and ATCs can't resolve it or I'm too old to hear it. -- audiomuze '*puddletag: A tag editor for Linux (that happens to run on OS X)*' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/) audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71321 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] One for the gullible ?
hey, don't knock it till you've tried it :P The best I've heard yet was some fool (apparently an audio engineer by profession before dedicating himself to making hi-fi and speaker stands) trying to tell me that placing my NAS on top one of his sound structures would noticeably enhance the sonic performance of my system. This despite my protestations that the devices are networked and the fact that the NAS and Transporter use my home electrical circuit as a network and are located about 40m apart in entirely different sections of my home. Needless to say the conversation ended quickly and I never purchased a sound structure, not the rear wall speaker mounts for my home theater that caused me to call him in the first place. -- audiomuze '*puddletag: A tag editor for Linux (that happens to run on OS X)*' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/) audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80786 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 24/192 playback
A number of my DVD-Audio discs rip to 24/192 e.g. R.E.M's Out of Time. On more than one occasion I've thought some favourite tracks didn't sound as good as I remember them sounding on CD so I've gone back and played the CD rip to find that some do sound better than the DVD-A to me. This got me looking into playback and I've noticed the 24/192s are transcoded to 705kbps FLAC, which is about half the rate of regular CD rips, and presumably explains my experience? Why would SBS have sox transcode 24/192 to lower quality than the average CD rip, and can one modify this behaviour? -- audiomuze Oh, and yes, I almost forgot... there are those $250.00 acoustic pillows you can stick to your walls, or even better than that magic tuning dots that you can also stick - and that by the shear act of using them will free you of the bondage of this dilemma. In fact I heard that if you paint your CD's green, put an MM on the top of each speaker and stick a Brazilian carrot in your ass while sipping ginseng tea your stereo will never sound better! '*last.fm*' (http://www.last.fm/user/audiomuze) audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79627 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 24/192 playback
amcluesent;554410 Wrote: What player do you have? 700kbps looks like 24/48 downsampled from 24/192. IMHO red-book standard CD 16/44.1 streams at less than 500kbps.Transporter. I mightve been comparing against 24/96 streams as I have quite a few. Possible to configure SBS to have sox transcode to 24/96? -- audiomuze Oh, and yes, I almost forgot... there are those $250.00 acoustic pillows you can stick to your walls, or even better than that magic tuning dots that you can also stick - and that by the shear act of using them will free you of the bondage of this dilemma. In fact I heard that if you paint your CD's green, put an MM on the top of each speaker and stick a Brazilian carrot in your ass while sipping ginseng tea your stereo will never sound better! '*last.fm*' (http://www.last.fm/user/audiomuze) audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79627 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 24/192 playback
Phil Leigh;554420 Wrote: This is all wrong. You can ignore the displayed bitrate number - it's just a meaningless guess. By default, SBS downsamples (via SOX) 24/192 to 24/96 for the TP/Touch (and 176.4 goes down to 88.2). The REM album you mention sounds WAY better on DVD-A than the regular CD. In fact all of the REM DVD-A's sound great. Document #5 is transformed! I'll have to listen again, it was late and I was tired...might be it was all between the ears. Thx for the clarification Phil. -- audiomuze Oh, and yes, I almost forgot... there are those $250.00 acoustic pillows you can stick to your walls, or even better than that magic tuning dots that you can also stick - and that by the shear act of using them will free you of the bondage of this dilemma. In fact I heard that if you paint your CD's green, put an MM on the top of each speaker and stick a Brazilian carrot in your ass while sipping ginseng tea your stereo will never sound better! '*last.fm*' (http://www.last.fm/user/audiomuze) audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79627 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter: No more bug fixes in firmware
amcluesent;544858 Wrote: The smart move is to EBay all your Squeezebox kit and jump to Linn or Naim.I have four SB3s, two Duets, a Boom and a Transporter. Of the lot the Boom and Transporter are the two units I use most. Have some renovations commencing tomorrow following which I will install two SB3s outdoors, a third is with my folks and I guess the fourth is a spare. I'll use them till they're dead or made obsolete by something better with features that are important to me. I will, however, definitely not be springing for a Touch or any further SBanything's. Ultimately I guess I take some comfort knowing that NMP is now on the map and regardless of whether or not Squeezebox disappears there'll be alternatives and in time they'll be better than Logitech's current offerings. -- audiomuze 'Cable break-in is real, and occurs between the ears of the listener - nowhere else (most certainly not in the cable).' (http://sound.westhost.com/cables.htm) '*last.fm*' (http://www.last.fm/user/audiomuze) audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78453 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Monster cables.
+1 for Blue Jeans, in fact I've never heard a negative sentiment aimed in their direction. -- audiomuze 'Cable break-in is real, and occurs between the ears of the listener - nowhere else (most certainly not in the cable).' (http://sound.westhost.com/cables.htm) Having spent all that money, no-one, and I mean no-one, will be willing to admit that they were defrauded, robbed or deceived. The survival instinct takes over, and we hear exactly what we expect to - whether it exists or not -- Rod Elliott '*last.fm*' (http://www.last.fm/user/audiomuze) audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78593 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter: No more bug fixes in firmware
Teus de Jong;544699 Wrote: I agree totally. I planned to buy a Touch as secondary system, but I'm not sure anymore. When I bought my transporter (2008), support was very good and we saw frequent firmware updates. Now slimdevices (or whatever it is called now) seems to have been brought down to so little people, it isn't capable to support quite recent hardware anymore. The transporter was 2000 euro two years ago; it's very disappointing that for such an expensive piece of hardware support is just stopped. (BTW, the transporter remains a fantastic player.) Teus Agreed. One wonders why Logitech bothered to issue a survey re the Transporter a week or so back if they've no intention of supporting it. Least they could do is fix the bloody over voltage shit that happens when playing and switching between 24/96 tracks. -- audiomuze 'Cable break-in is real, and occurs between the ears of the listener - nowhere else (most certainly not in the cable).' (http://sound.westhost.com/cables.htm) '*last.fm*' (http://www.last.fm/user/audiomuze) audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78453 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DAC Resolution Test and Don't EVER use Digital Volume Control
mswlogo;542833 Wrote: Hotel California DVDA is a really great disc. On the contrary I find it to be pretty loud and lacking subtlety and inevitably turn it down when it starts because it jumps right out at you. I much prefer the MoFi CD which I find a far more pleasant listening experience. -- audiomuze 'Cable break-in is real, and occurs between the ears of the listener - nowhere else (most certainly not in the cable).' (http://sound.westhost.com/cables.htm) '*last.fm*' (http://www.last.fm/user/audiomuze) audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77725 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DAC Resolution Test and Don't EVER use Digital Volume Control
Robin Bowes;542877 Wrote: I think what this demonstrates is that some folk prefer a compressed sound while others prefer a more natural sound. This is personal preference. I prefer the latter; mswlogo seems to prefer the former. R.That's probably what what it is. As I mostly listen to albums I've usually got replaygain disabled, so when you get to something that's lot louder than what you've just been listening to it's rather jarring. OTOH, I find the LPCM DVD rip of When Hell Freezes Over to be a great listen - definitely not overbearing, lots of subtlety and plenty headroom to really turn it up if you're in the mood. -- audiomuze 'Cable break-in is real, and occurs between the ears of the listener - nowhere else (most certainly not in the cable).' (http://sound.westhost.com/cables.htm) '*last.fm*' (http://www.last.fm/user/audiomuze) audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77725 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DAC Resolution Test and Don't EVER use Digital Volume Control
mswlogo;542878 Wrote: Then I would have a closer look at your system than the disks.I'm quite confident the problem lies neither in my system nor my listening environment. Like Robin says, I think it's down to personal preference. I tend not to like compressed music, but that doesn't mean that I don't turn it up myself when the mood strikes me. -- audiomuze 'Cable break-in is real, and occurs between the ears of the listener - nowhere else (most certainly not in the cable).' (http://sound.westhost.com/cables.htm) '*last.fm*' (http://www.last.fm/user/audiomuze) audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77725 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DAC Resolution Test and Don't EVER use Digital Volume Control
DCtoDaylight;542776 Wrote: There's no excuse for, or need of, digital clipping with the resolution of today's gear, yet sadly, it's not uncommon. I've got DVD-Audio disks with clipping, even with their 24 bit capability. Sad, sad, sad...Please could you share the titles so that I can avoid inadvertently acquiring them in my travels? -- audiomuze 'Cable break-in is real, and occurs between the ears of the listener - nowhere else (most certainly not in the cable).' (http://sound.westhost.com/cables.htm) '*last.fm*' (http://www.last.fm/user/audiomuze) audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77725 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DAC Resolution Test and Don't EVER use Digital Volume Control
mlsstl;542006 Wrote: It's interesting to watch the back and forth in discussions like this. However, the reality is that digital volume control is probably already permanently embedded in the vast majority of all recordings of the past 20 years, including classical. At some point, an issue like this can turn a person into Don Quixote. ;-)Agreed, what else can be said that hasn't been said already. -- audiomuze 'Cable break-in is real, and occurs between the ears of the listener - nowhere else (most certainly not in the cable).' (http://sound.westhost.com/cables.htm) '*last.fm*' (http://www.last.fm/user/audiomuze) audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77725 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DAC Resolution Test and Don't EVER use Digital Volume Control
michael123;539053 Wrote: I very quickly switched to 100% full volume @ Transporter and routed the signal through analog preamp. The difference in sound was astonishing.Huh? I'm not sure I understand the context...where are you coming from? -- audiomuze 'Cable break-in is real, and occurs between the ears of the listener - nowhere else (most certainly not in the cable).' (http://sound.westhost.com/cables.htm) '*last.fm*' (http://www.last.fm/user/audiomuze) audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77725 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
