[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Squeezebox Class D!
Gee, this the same reason why people buy expensive high end transports, DACs, etc... or get mods/upgrades. Note to all: Please read highdudgeon posts and you'll see he loves to belittle these people's passion for their hobby. Now, he cries baiting/trolling when someone asks him a question about spend money on audio gear, he's never heard, never seen under the hood, and has no proof will outperform the lower cost SB3/Lavry DAC combo he already owns. REG is right, highdudgeon must have money just buring a hole in his pocket. highdudgeon;138212 Wrote: > Easy. Because I want one and I can afford one. So what. More fun for > me. It looks great, everything is under one hood, etc. Why not? > > As for Robert Greene (great forum; nice to be a part of it), he is > basically right -- the main pro audio DACs are quite close to being > perfect. And, yeah, I'm way into wireless. That's all I use or care > to use. Personal taste. I see no reason to worry much about > electronics these days. I see a lot of reasons to worry about speakers > and rooms. > > Note to all: kindly refrain from insulting, sarcastic, or otherwise > belligerent addresses, if you will. We have been through this before > and the vast majority of users are more interested in maintaining an > interesting thread than in reading demeaning, baiting, or trolling > posts. If you don't like someone, keep it to yourself; if you have > nothing good to say, as my father reminds me, then say nothing at all. -- mauidan mauidan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1679 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=27452 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Squeezebox Class D!
highdudgeon;137968 Wrote: > Very well said. > > As for transports, well, everyone has their favorite. The Ayre is an > absolutely first-rate piece of gear and quite good enough for a senior > reviewer. What is lacking in it? Of course, one can take the time to > do exhaustive double-blind tests to come to more critical conclusions. > > But the fact remains: the Lavry Blue, Gold, and now the DA10 are > essentially immune from jitter and, as expained, deal with it after > buffering incoming information. Above post: you're right, Lavry is > fairly unique in handling things in this manner. What you get doesn't > sound like the transport; it sounds like the DAC -- and the DAC is > accurate. It doesn't matter whether you're feeding it with a Pioneer > CD player from Best Buy or a $6k transport. Either way, you get all > the bits (it's just that one is a lot more jittery than the other). > The DAC deals with the jitter, though, so the transport question is put > on a level playing field. If the Lavry is immune from jitter, why are you buying a Transporter? Your main man REG said: "As far as I am concerned, especially since the $1,000 or so pro DACs are effectively perfect to my ears. Unless one is desperate for wireless for some reason, I think there is no reason to go beyond those devices(Lavry,Benchmark,etc.) that unless money is just buring a hole in your pocket" -- mauidan mauidan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1679 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=27452 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Squeezebox Class D!
tomjtx;137804 Wrote: > I did not compare the SB digital to SB analogue. Sorry if I was not > clear. I was comparing my cd transport digital out to the SB digital > out , both feeding my dac. > > I heard no difference. > I have a Lavry10 and used the same Ayre as JA did as the CD > transport. > > I never said the SB analouge out was equal. I have no opinion on "that > as I haven't > listened to it.I assume it is not > > BTW I have latest Jeff Rowland and latest Watt puppys . I think there > is enough resolution there > But then again, I am just a musician, what do I know;-) Unlike other members of this forum & their favorite reviewers, I have the greatest respect for Mr.Rowland & Mr.Wilson's work, but once again the Ayre you and JA have is not a high end transport. Here's a short list of high transports that you or JA could use to evaluate the SB3's performance as a transport: Zanden 2000 CEC TL-0X Metronome Kalista; T2-i Signature; and T2-A Esoteric P-0, P-01, P-03 EMM Labs CDSD 47Labs PiTracer Weiss Jason Accustic Arts Drive 1 Ensemble Dirondo Wadia 270se Aberdeen NorthStar I use a modified Theta Jade, and I can hear a large difference, as did the NY Rave group when they heard the Aberdeen NorthStar. Please explain to me how the the Lavry or any other "reclocking DAC" can repair the damaging effects of jitter after the fact? Also, please explain the effects of bandwidth, common mode noise reduction, risetime, EMI, inductance, capacitance, pulse aberration,and shielding on a digital transport's interface. Mahalo. -- mauidan mauidan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1679 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=27452 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Squeezebox Class D!
tomjtx;137329 Wrote: > let me clarify, > > It bothers me that JA compares 2 digital transports without taking out > other variables. > > He should use the same cable from each digital transport, eg. his > Ayre and the SB into the Levinson with the same brand, type etc. > He should compare AIFF to the CD, rather than apple lossles(isn't that > a smaller file size and some people claim to hear a difference?) > > Wouldn't that be a fairer comparison? I agree that when comparing digital sources you should try and use the same digital cable, but you still haven't said what transport you based this statement- "Using a high grad coax cable with aaif files the SB is indistinguible from my class A DAC" on. None of the digital sources JA used in the SB3 review are "high end transports," so he has no idea how it compares to the best transports available. Over on audiocircle.com a group of folks compared stock and modified SBs to a high end transport this past weekend. All of them preferred the transport. -- mauidan mauidan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1679 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=27452 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Squeezebox Class D!
tomjtx;137236 Wrote: > JA didn't use the coax out, he used the optical and used apple > lossless. > > Using a high grad coax cable with aaif files the SB is indistinguible > from my class A DAC. > > For 300.00 > > So there JA :-) How can a SB used as a transport with high grad coax cable with aaif files be indistinguible from class A DAC? What transport/digital source are you comparing it to? -- mauidan mauidan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1679 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=27452 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Digital only version of Transporter?
"As for word clock, imagine an all digital TACT based system like the one I use in my 5.1 setup. You can clock the amps directly to the same clock as the Transporter. With the development of other Class D amps that accept digital inputs, the benefit of having word synch is fairly clear, especially when you are using bi-amping or tri-amping with those digital amps as I am." Since you're running the digital signal through a TacT TCS or 2.2XP which don't have word clock inputs, having the Transporter and amps connected to the same word clock will produce very little if any improvement. You'll need to have word clock inputs installed on your TCS & 2.2XP and sync the whole thing to an iClock or something like it to get the full benefit. -- mauidan mauidan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1679 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=27458 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Stereophile review
highdudgeon;134309 Wrote: > So, tell us about how your corner-loaded woofers are working out? I've > been entranced by this idea and it is one reason why I keep thinking > hard about TacT/Lyngdorf solutions. That with great monitor could be, > in theory, a fantastic system. Anyone that's interested in the "theory" of corner loaded woofers/subs, should read the TacT RCS 2.2X review in Issue 158 of the Absolute Sound. The "theory" works. In Issue 160, the reviewer gave it a TAS product of the year award. The TacT RCS 2.2X & 2.2XP have also received awards from Stereotimes.com. There's lots of additional information on this subject available at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TacTAudioUsersGroup/. -- mauidan mauidan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1679 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=26306 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Stereophile review
Sleestack;134082 Wrote: > You also don't need to use the TACT amps. In my 5.1 setup I have my > TACT TCS MKII feeding a digital signal to my TACt BOZ 216/2200 amps and > in my 2.2. setup, I use the analog outs of the RCS2.2.XP into Bel Canto > amps. > > I, like you have tried many things and having lived with TACT gear for > the past 2 years, could never do w/o them again. In my 5.1 setup, I > can't even imagine the headaches of trying to achieve what I do with > the TC MKII with any other setup. > > Every single audiophile that I have had listen to my TACT setups, has > walked away stunned by the audible difference. I think it is something > one needs to experience to fully appreciate. I agree. The TacT RCS works great on amps with analog inputs, especially with the mauimods.com DAC card upgrade. Recently had my RCS driving a pair of Mac MC1000s, and the results were very impressive. -- mauidan mauidan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1679 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=26306 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Stereophile review
totoro;133904 Wrote: > Which ones? The ones about the English language? You're the one that made the assumptions, so you figure it out. -- mauidan mauidan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1679 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=26306 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Stereophile review
totoro;133897 Wrote: > I never called you any names. You posted your comments on a public > forum, so you should expect responses from others. > > As I pointed out earlier, your statement about dsl/cable, internet > radio, and playlists was either indicative of a misunderstanding of how > networks work, or incoherent. > > You have not addressed this point at all. Given your aggressive and > petulant behavior towards others in this thread, I must say that your > sudden attack of sensitivity takes me aback. > > The only assumptions I made were about the nature of the English > language. You either were wrong, or can't express yourself in an > understandable manner. In either case, the issue is with you, and not > with anyone else. > > If you aggressively attack someone else in a manner that can only be > construed as either incorrect or incoherent, you can expect others to > call you on it. > > Thank you so much for ruining this thread. > Finally, I will not admit myself to be wrong simply because I don't > think that I am. Once again, your assumptions were wrong. If you can't admit it, that's your problem. -- mauidan mauidan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1679 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=26306 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Stereophile review
totoro;133893 Wrote: > I made no assumptions, merely gave the most reasonable reading I could > to what you wrote. > > If you would prefer to be considered incoherent, fine. Since you don't know me, you made a big assumption by inferring that I didn't understand how to use a router. Who ask you to give a "reasonable reading" of what I wrote? Instead of accepting that you're wrong, now you feel the need to call me names. -- mauidan mauidan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1679 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=26306 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Stereophile review
totoro;133884 Wrote: > A direct quote from you: > > "I don't have DSL/Cable, so I have no interest in Internet radio or > creating playlists." > > If this sentence is not to be read as a complete non sequitur, it can > only be inferred that you believe dsl/cable to be necessary in order to > use playlists. > > This is clearly not the case, as all that is necessary in order to use > playlists is a squeezebox communicating with a server. In order to have > a squeezebox communicate with a server, it is sufficient to have them > both hooked up to a router, with no dsl/cable involved. > > So, either you were incoherent or you did not understand how ip > addresses are assigned inside a home network. I chose what I thought > was the more charitable interpretation. > > You will note that I did not anywhere state that you did not know how > to set up a functioning home network, but that you appeared not to know > how ip addresses were assigned by such a router. You will further note > that I actually said "apparent", as in apparent from what you had said > earlier in the thread. Let me be more clear, I don't have high speed access and Internet radio doesn't function very well over dial-up. I don't use playlists, because I have no want or need for them. It has nothing to do with understanding how to set up a router, so your assumptions were wrong. -- mauidan mauidan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1679 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=26306 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Stereophile review
totoro;133876 Wrote: > Umm-- I went back and reread this thread, just to see if I was missing > something: nothing in the thread before your initial flameout justified > the nastiness of your posts. Perhaps you have good reasons, based on > prior interactions, for this hostility, but you have not articulated > them. Even if you had, it would probably have been better to pm him. > > In any event, the hostility here clearly originates from you. You r > claim that highdudgeon's posts are jokes is also undermined by your > apparent inability to understand how a home router assigns ip > addresses, and how this relates to the ability to use playlists (hint, > it only does insofar as it allows the squeezebox to work at all): this > does not speak well of your technical perspicuity. Where did I post that I don't know how to set up a router or create playlist? Hint- Please don't assume things about me or anyone else that you don't know. -- mauidan mauidan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1679 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=26306 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Stereophile review
highdudgeon;133865 Wrote: > You have got to be kidding. Your post was clearly and openly sarcastic > and hostile -- as others observed. > > But, really, I asked a simple question: if you disdain the device, why > do you waste time on this forum? Whatever. I don't have more time for > the logically impaired. George - I check this forum for updates that might yield higher performance, and new product developments. I read your posts when I need a good laugh. PS- thanks for the feedback. -- mauidan mauidan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1679 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=26306 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Stereophile review
highdudgeon;133836 Wrote: > Then why on earth are you remotely interested in the Squeeze Box? > Clearly, you disdain the product, you have no need or ability to take > advantage of its abilities, so why bother trolling this forum? > > Yes, I do think that an external DAC makes a difference. However, > read closely: I found the differences between a stock SB3 and and SB3 > with the mentioned units to be one of nuance. Very diserable, at > times, but hardly mentionable, at others. To me, the law of > diminishing returns applied. Besides, I didn't like the clutter of > multiple boxes. I made NO mention of it needing an external DAC. > That's in your imagination. JA used it as a transport WITH an external > DAC. > > Oh, and this: I happen to think that the stock SB3, with analog > outputs, is actually quite good. Not fantastic, to be sure, but good > enough to put CD players in the thousand dollar range to shame. > Believe it or not, CD players in that price range are more than good > enough for a lot of people. > > I will buy the Transporter for a few reasons: build quality, a DAC that > sounds like it could be even better than a Lavry -- which would raise > the level of "nuance" -- superb power supply, built-in attenuation, > which means safe operation without a line stage, adaptability to > 220/240, etc. > > Of course, I know you wrote this note simply because you like to bait > me, but there's an answer. I think you've gone a good job of showing > off your silliness. You think the SB3 is a piece of crap, you can't > use some of its more interesting features, but you're lonely or bored > enough to keep trolling this forum. Bon chance. PS, that was an > obvious type: I meant couch, obviously. I have no idea how you sit and > don't care. Like 90% or more of users here, my listening setup is in my > living room. That means actual furniture, sharing music with friends, > etc. Changing CDs is no ordeal, obviously; the SB is just wonderfully > convenient. Again, if you don't like or need the device, why do you > continue to post on this forum? This must be rather like your habit of > prowling through forums from which you've been kicked off and > periodically assailing forum members and owners with laughable vitriol. George- I asked some simple question and you respond with a personal attack. I gave the SB to my son. He's an MP3 user and loves it. -- mauidan mauidan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1679 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=26306 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Stereophile review
highdudgeon;133786 Wrote: > Which was the actual point of the review -- that, as a transport, the > Squeezebox is, for all intents and purposes, indistinguishable from a > kilo-buck transport used with a quality DAC. (Moreover, if the DAC > were of the true re-clocking variety, there would be no difference. > Like many people, I have a feeling that JA had to give some edge to his > reference transport because, after all, this is a high end magazine, > etc. > > Not bad for a $300 plastic box. Especially not bad for a $300 plastic > box that offers wireless connectivity, access to Internet radio, the > ability to use playlists, the ability to scan and use your entire > library without getting up from the coach, etc. > > No doubt, this is why the Transporter will rock. From: the thread- How much difference do you think a new DAC would make for my system, highdudgeon said: "Personally, I went though the Lavry DA10 and a Benchmark. I found the differences to be on the level of nuance -- when they were there at all. So, I ditched them, and am running the SB3 directly to my amps" I'm confused. You've posted that an external DAC didn't make a big improvement, now you're agreeing that the SB needs one? Are you buying a Transporter to use it as a transport? I don't have DSL/Cable, so I have no interest in Internet radio or creating playlists. I don't have a "coach" in my listening room, and I don't mind getting up to change the CDs in my transports or the LP on the TT. -- mauidan mauidan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1679 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=26306 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Stereophile review
Finally got a chance to read JA's SB3 review. IMO, the most important point he made, is the SB3 didn't sound any better than a cheap Pioneer DVDP he has. IMO, the SB3 doesn't sound any better than a $60. Toshiba DVDP I got at Costco. With $50. of upgraded parts, the Toshiba sounds better. -- mauidan mauidan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1679 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=26306 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: still with the mods?
highdudgeon;130932 Wrote: > Okay, I know that there is sizable cottage industry around audio and I > am not out to insult those who make their living in this area. But, > here's what I don't understand: > > Going to, for example, the Bolder site, I find a $375 modification > package for the SB3 along with a $750 (!!!) power supply. That's > $1,175, plus $300 for the base unit, and we're at $1,525. Now, > probably, this consumer will also be interested in an outboard DAC. > Boom, you're not looking at $2,500...to run a Squeezebox. (I won't get > into the Bybee filters and all that mentioned elsewhere). > > Here's the thing: the Transporter is almost out. It comes with a trial > period. On paper, it is one bad mofo piece of audio gear, with all the > power supply, volume control, DAC, and good looks anyone needs, all in > ONE box that happens to come with a warranty. For the one box. Oh, > and you get an extra SB3 for kicks. > > So, my question is this: why are people continuing to look at expensive > mods and, presumably, why will they continue to do so? A lot of these > things are matters of numbers that mean little. Look at JA's review: > the SB, used as a transporter, is virtually (because he can't use an > absolute) inditinguishable from a super kilo-buck transport. Ergo, if > you're using an external DAC, why would you mod ANYTHING? It was good > enough for Sphile, without power supplies and the rest. > > Anyway. Half curious, half venting. I'm just amazed at the anxiety > and cottage industry around this humble and wonderful device. > > I'm not flaming anyone. I would like to engage in creative chat. I am > far too tired to be flamed myself, so, if you have nothing pleasant to > say about me as a human being, keep it to yourself or to a private > email. Pretty please? You continue to "vent" because you can't hear a difference, and ask people not to flame youLOL! If you're too afraid to open up the SB and do your own mods or too cheap to pay someone to do it for you, fine, but please stop questioning those who seek higher performance. "On paper, it is one bad mofo piece of audio gear, with all the power supply, volume control, DAC, and good looks anyone needs, all in ONE box that happens to come with a warranty. For the one box. Oh, and you get an extra SB3 for kicks." How would you know? Are you an IEEE? Have you seen the Transporter's circuit diagram, have you tested the Transporter against reference quality transports or DAC? PS- JA, also raved about the $129.00 Apple Airport Express. I'll bet he think it sounds just as good as an SB. -- mauidan mauidan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1679 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=26691 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: S/PDIF sounds poor
SoftwireEngineer Wrote: > Thanks Phil, switching to the Glass toslink instead of the coax, I got > better results (initially, I could not tell much difference - listening > at a lower volume during night time). I am now very close to the sound > of my transport. I think stock the coax output has higher jitter than > the toslink. Maybe changing to a linear power supply might have > benefits even on the toslink. Whether coax or toslink, it seems to me > that the SB has more detail than the bits out of a CD player/transport. > Supposedly the SB3 has a jitter of 50ps which is very good (if I > remember the MF A3.2 CD player has similar specs). >From the thread- SB1 digital out compared to SB2 and SB3 I just purchased a brand new SB3, and a colleague subjected the digital outputs to a quick jitter measurement using Audio Precision equipment. Results: SB3 digital coax out jitter: ~99ps, SB3 digital optical out jitter: ~892ps -- mauidan mauidan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1679 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=26332 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Modifying the Transporter: Eureka!
highdudgeon Wrote: > So, I've been following the discussions, reading and investigating the > specs, thinking about what I know and think about Slim Devices and how > I rate their competence and honesty, etc., etc., etc., and, naturally, > I have to think to myself: what about the cottage industry of > modifiers? > > After all, for more or less -- I suppose slightly more -- than the > price of a SB3 with an external PS, a new DAC (internal or external), > etc., you can get a beautiful and versatile device built to beyond NASA > standards. What could be lacking?! > > Then, on the drive home from work, it hit me: tubes! Somebody will > something euphonic, with greater SNR, etc., and I bet someone comes up > with a tube buffer or output stage, etc. > > Of course, tubes don't seem very popular in this forum, but, hey. > > PS, I am being facetious and just kidding around. Please, no flames or > personal assaults, okay? NO OFFENSE INTENDED TO ANYONE. > > Besides, it really is a half-serious question: I mean, how would you > improve on this thing? George- If Slim Devices would post the Transport's circuit diagram, parts list and pictures of it's insides, I'm sure there are many people on this forum that could see "What could be lacking?" and make recommendations to mod/upgrade it's performance. Since you've owned lots of high end equipment, I'm sure you know, there are lots of fancy looking boxes with very cheap parts on the inside. -- mauidan mauidan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1679 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=26453 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: S/PDIF sounds poor
seanadams Wrote: > I think you misunderstood me - neither has "problems" but when we are > talking about picoseconds of jitter there will certainly be differences > from one interface design to the next. The transformers we use are > Vitec 1:1 made for s/pdif. They are used for both the input and the > output ports for both BNC and XLR connections (four altogether). I > also experimented with a few other makes and these were chosen for > having the cleanest waveform - symmmetrical and fast, but with no > under/overshoot. When I get a minute I will post some scope screenshots > so you can see exactly what it looks like. Are you using the Vitec 16Z5752? If so, it appears to be exactly the same as the PE65612 made in Mexico 15 years ago. Look forward to your screen shots. -- mauidan mauidan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1679 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=26332 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: S/PDIF sounds poor
seanadams Wrote: > SB2 is the same. Transporter BTW is faster than that on its > capacitor-coupled interface, and slower on the transformer-coupled > interface, but I don't have the figures in front of me at the moment. What pulse transformer are you using? A properly designed pulse transformer should have no problems with rise time or bandwidth. Is there a pulse transformer on the AES/EBU output? -- mauidan mauidan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1679 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=26332 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: S/PDIF sounds poor
Sleestack Wrote: > The only TACT pieces with word synch are the BOZ 216/2200 amps. They > have inputs which would allow you to externally clock the Transporter > with the TACT amps via a clock like the G-01 or iClock. Mauimods.com and db-systems can install word clock inputs on any TacT product you like. Mauimods.com can also give you word clock out if you like, but no stock TacT unit has word clock out. I doubt you will hear any difference between the Transporter's digital output and your SB3's, but I look forward to your report. For less than $2K, you can buy a very nice music server and eliminate the need for a PC and SB. -- mauidan mauidan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1679 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=26332 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: S/PDIF sounds poor
PhilNYC Wrote: > Because the jitter performance of the Transporter's digital outs is > measured to be much better than that of the SqueezeBox, and he's > clearly looking for better performance. Or even further, if the TacT > has a word clock out, he'd get even better performance using the > Transporter's word-clock input... $2K is a lot of money to pay to get better jitter performance. FYI- the TacT units don't have word clock out. BTW- what's the Transporter jitter performance verses the SB3? -- mauidan mauidan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1679 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=26332 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Stereophile review
sbjaerum Wrote: > Yes, and he was very pleased with it. He ended the measurement section > with: > '... the excellent jitter rejection came as welcome surprise.' Can you post his measurements? Did he measure jitter on the digital outputs? -- mauidan mauidan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1679 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=26306 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Stereophile review
sbjaerum Wrote: > Just got my digital September issue of Stereophile. > It has the review of Squeezebox. JA concludes 'Very highly > recommended'. Well done! Did JA do jitter measurements? -- mauidan mauidan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1679 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=26306 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: S/PDIF sounds poor
PhilNYC Wrote: > I upgraded the power supply on my SB2 to a linear supply from Elpac, and > all the sibilence and edginess went away. You might also want to take a > look at getting a digital cable that is 1.5m long (if you are using one > that is shorter than that, this should definitely help) and truly > 75ohms (if your TaCT has a BNC digital input, getting a digital cable > with a BNC connector on one side will help). > > Otherwise, yeah...maybe you're a candidate for a Transporter... :-) The TacT doesn't have BNC inputs. It appears Robbymagman didn't have any problems with his digital cable when it was connected to his DVDP. Why would TacT user who doesn't need a DAC want to spend $2K for a Transporter? -- mauidan mauidan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1679 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=26332 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Speaker recommendations for TacT S2150XDM
opaqueice Wrote: > Hi Nikhil, > > Is the dealer in the States by any chance? I'm interested in trying > out TacT as well, especially now that I've got a computer-based DRC > system running via slimserver to compare it to. If you've already got DRC running why do you want to try a TacT S2150XDM? If the TacT sounds better would you buy it? Nikhil- if you like your current speakers, forget what the dealer told and just listen. FYI- the real secret of the "TacT system" is setting up a 2.2 system with dual corner loaded subs, using high order digital crossovers and delays. This eliminates the typical midbass room suck out between 100-200hz, and allows you to cut the peaks, rather than boost the dips. -- mauidan mauidan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1679 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=25598 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: What happened to the July Stereophile print reveiw of SB3?
"Stereophile is a publication whose income is primarily based on advertisements for the products it reviews. Anyone that believes such a publication is objective has the burden of proof on them, not the other way around." I don't purchase products based on rave reviews, and I don't read the reviews in Stereophile thinking the reviewer got paid off or that a rave review was in exchange for advertising revenue. If the SB gets a positive Stereophile review in the September issue, should I assume SD paid them off? I look forward to JA's follow-up on the SB, especially his measurements. -- mauidan mauidan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1679 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=24954 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: What happened to the July Stereophile print reveiw of SB3?
sleepysurf Wrote: > Bummer, just got my Aug Stereophile and NO Squeezebox review... I smell > a conspiracy! sleepysurf- No conspiracy. Your question was answered on the Stereophile forum on 7/13/06: "You can read about John's experience with the Squeezebox here: http://www.stereophile.com/images/newsletter/306Bstph.html And a thorough "Follow-Up" report will be published in our September issue. (I promise.) Stephen Mejias Stereophile" Suggest people have some real proof before making claims of a conspiracy, kickbacks, or lack of journalistic integrity on a public forum. I'm surprised SD allowed these comments to be posted. -- mauidan mauidan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1679 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=24954 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: digital room correction
opaqueice Wrote: > Remember - there's absolutely no guarantee that TacT is, in fact, > better. I don't know this for sure, but probably the TacT does its > equalization in the digital domain. If so, it is nothing more or less > than a computer running some embedded software closely related to what > you'd be running on your PC using inguz' plugin or an alternative. Of > course it's also an amplifier, but since all of us already have a > computer, SB, and amp, that's of no particular benefit. > > So while it might or might not be better, it's also expensive and > inflexible - software can always be re-written and developed to handle > new formats or requirements, but hardware is static and inflexible (I > noticed on the TacT website you can update some old models to their new > firmware - for $1200). > > I'm not criticizing TacT - on the contrary, it's something I'm > considering - but certainly not until I've convinced myself that the > available computer-based options are inferior. I agree you don't know anything for sure, and you seem to be very confused about the TacT product line. The RCS2.0, RCS2.0S,RCS2.2X,RCS2.2XP and TCS are digital room correction units/preamps and can be use with analog and digital inputs and have analog and digital outputs for use with analog or digital amps. Unlike the SB, they will accept and output up to 24/192. In addition to digital room correction, they have a 12 band paraeq and 3 band tone control. They come with a calibrated measurement mic and the software and firmware can be updated. So, from your listening chair you can use the remote to perform regular preamp functions like input selection, volume and channel balance, plus you can select from 9 different room correction modes, adjust the digital paraeq or tone control, change phase, adjust digital delays or change the digital FS out if you're using digital amps or an external DAC. The M/S2150 are two channel digital amps and also can do digital crossovers. The new M/S2150XDM can also do room correction and has the new DRC(Dynamic Room Correction)like the RCS2.2XP that dynamically adjusts tonal balances in accordance to the human hearing characteristics. There's also the modular Boz amps which are aim at the HT market. So, if you have already have a PC, SB and an amp all you need is a RCS. RCS 2.0 sell on audiogon for less than $1K or you can buy a factory refurbished unit for $1490. -- mauidan mauidan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1679 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=24519 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: digital room correction
opaqueice Wrote: > Sure, for a mere... $10,000? > > And that's part of the point - the hardware solution doesn't scale well > at all, and is much less flexible in general. Do you have any first hand experience with the TacT RCS or TCS? -- mauidan mauidan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1679 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=24519 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: digital room correction
opaqueice Wrote: > > > For example, you might want to filter multiple channels of audio while > watching a movie in surround sound, and that would be very easy to add > to a computer-based implementation like this, and very hard to add to a > harware one like TacT. This is very easy to do with the TacT TCS. -- mauidan mauidan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1679 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=24519 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Best Audiophile Music Server
cliveb- Mahalo for the additional info. EAC has been around a long time, I wonder if there's a better program out there. -- mauidan mauidan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1679 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=24957 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Best Audiophile Music Server
opaqueice Wrote: > I'm not sure anyone can figure out what you're asking - maybe you should > try asking a more coherent question if you want a response. > > EAC reads CDs, which have a form of ECC built in - is that what you're > asking about? And cliveb was claiming (for some reason) that EAC is no > better, or even worse, than standard CD players... so I for one have no > idea what you're asking about. Please read his quote again: "Of course I acknowledge that CDs do exist which cannot be read without error. They may be damaged, or they may have been mastered/pressed badly. But in my experience, playing such a CD on an audio CD player and recording the SPDIF output often gives a better result than letting EAC "do its magic." - cliveb" As Phil points out, a CDP is not going to be able read a damaged disc as well as EAC, so the recording cliveb makes off the CDP's SPDIF output is probably going to contain ECCs. If cliveb now runs this CDR through EAC, I'd like to know what "magic" EAC is going to perform to recover the data that the CDP couldn't read. -- mauidan mauidan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1679 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=24957 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Best Audiophile Music Server
"Of course I acknowledge that CDs do exist which cannot be read without error. They may be damaged, or they may have been mastered/pressed badly. But in my experience, playing such a CD on an audio CD player and recording the SPDIF output often gives a better result than letting EAC "do its magic." - cliveb I'm still waiting for cliveb to explain what "magic" EAC is going to perform if you've recorded a signal with ECCs. -- mauidan mauidan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1679 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=24957 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: letter to Hi Fi News
Phil Leigh Wrote: > > ...but I have God (and physics) on my side... Do you use holy water to clean your CDs? -- mauidan mauidan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1679 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=25138 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Best Audiophile Music Server
snarlydwarf Wrote: > ECC is Error Correction Code, not concealment. Mahalo for the "correction." My question still for cliveb, what "magic" is EAC going to do if you've recorded a signal with error correction codes? -- mauidan mauidan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1679 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=24957 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Best Audiophile Music Server
"Of course I acknowledge that CDs do exist which cannot be read without error. They may be damaged, or they may have been mastered/pressed badly. But in my experience, playing such a CD on an audio CD player and recording the SPDIF output often gives a better result than letting EAC "do its magic." cliveb- What "magic" is EAC going to do if you've recorded a signal with error concealment codes? -- mauidan mauidan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1679 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=24957 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Best Audiophile Music Server
cliveb Wrote: > I am always disgusted when the marketing for a product is based on > out-and-out lies. The first two paragraphs contain two massive > untruths, from which the sales pitch for the device is then developed. Gee, if you feel that strongly about it, you should drop a line to Mr.Perry over at stereotimes.com and tell him to stop giving Stereo Times 2006 Most Wanted Components awards to products that you feel are misleading the public. -- mauidan mauidan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1679 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=24957 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Best Audiophile Music Server
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Wrote: > if money was no object what music server would you buy? is olive any > good? what others would you recommend. Here's the best: http://www.memoryplayer.info/Memory%20Player%20Home%20page.htm See stereotimes.com for more info. -- mauidan mauidan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1679 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=24957 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB/Tact/NuForce
Phil Leigh Wrote: > Probably best to find the Yahoo TACT forum for that..If you get really > stuck I can supply the GV.exe by email. > you need to start with the .tim files from the normal TACT software > measuring process..GV takes those as input to create new curves. > > If there is any loss of transparency via the TACT in all-digital mode > (and I can't hear any) then it pales into insignificance compared to > the overall RC improvement. Note: I am using altmann devices after the > TACT and before the DAC - this may alter things in a such a way that > if there are any TACT issues, they are ameliorated. GV can found at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TAUGSOA/files/Uli/ Phil- if you have the stock PSU in your RCS it's not transparent. Upgading the PSU will made a much bigger difference than any jitter reduction unit. BTW, TacT users who used Apogee Big Bens and Genesis Digital Lens in their systems, found they made more of an improvement between a digital source like the SB and their RCS, than between the RCS and their DAC or digital amps. After upgrading their PSUs many of these people eliminated these jitter reduction units. -- mauidan mauidan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1679 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=24366 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB/Tact/NuForce
richidoo Wrote: > Skunk, right on about the remote. > > Phil, I will try the GV software today. The Tact is digital input only. > I am using it as preamp with SB volume cranked. So far, I have not been > able to tweek the Tact to sound as transparent as SB connected analog > straight to the amp. If GV is easier to use, that will help > experimenting with target curves. Thanks GV will not make the RCS sound more transparent. Upgrading the PSU, digital in/out cards, and DAC cards will (See www.mauimods.com. No, I don't own the company.)). GV will create a smoother sounding correction curve. -- mauidan mauidan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1679 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=24366 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Audiophile Version
ezkcdude Wrote: > Phil, the problem with the "one-box" solution here is that it is one > *expensive* box! You must have heard of the "Law of $500", right? > That's the threshold price that consumer electronics devices, for the > most part, must fall below before being widely adopted. Just look at > two very current examples: HD-DVD vs. Blu-Ray and Sony PS3 vs. XBox360 > vs. Nintendo Wii (aka Revolution). So, to sum up, if there were a > "Do-it-all" Squeezey (server, GUI, wireless network) that sold for > under $500, it would have a chance. That's not going to happen though. A small company like SD may not be able to make "Do-it-all" Squeezey (server, GUI, wireless network) that sells for under $500., but that doesn't mean the big guys like Sony, Pioneer,etc which already have DVD recorders w/HDs that sell for $500., won't simply convert these units for use as music/video servers or built these functions into a HT receiver. -- mauidan mauidan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1679 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=24041 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Audiophile Version
funkstar Wrote: > the official line from Slimdevices is always something along the lines > of: "do we not comment on future product releases" > > Personally i think an Audiophile version is doubtful, too small a > market really. Perhaps if SD were bigger then it may be possible, but > they have only ever had a one product at a time. Slimdevices probably doesn't want to slow sales of the existing product. My question was a result of a post by a dealer on another forum, who said the Audiophoile version of the SB should be out soon and will have a clock input as well as a digitial input for your CD player or transport. He's planning to show it at the Rocky Mountain Audio Fest(10/20/06). -- mauidan mauidan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1679 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=24041 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile Version
Is there an audiophile version of the SB3 in the works? -- mauidan mauidan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1679 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=24041 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SqueezePower final design Power supply
ezkcdude Wrote: > That's hilarious. I *dare* you to tell Dan Lavry his PSU is cheap. He'll > rip you a new one. Why don't you send my post. It's far from the best SMPS available. He uses bandaids after the PSU instead of using a better suply or upgrading the on board parts. +---+ |Filename: 7364.jpg | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1285| +---+ -- mauidan mauidan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1679 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=23227 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SqueezePower final design Power supply
philodox Wrote: > That part number is for a 12V 1.7A PSU. I would think that 271-1006-ND > [5V, 3A] would be a better way to go... it goes for $56.05 > Mahalo for the correction. You should look into a triple output linear, which you could use to power your SB and replace the cheap SMPS inside your Lavry. Here's a great unit that will do the job for you: http://www.salvagetech.com/products.asp?pid=106 It's built and sounds better than the Power One/Condors. Better pick one up fast before jabberwockie buys them all...LOL. -- mauidan mauidan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1679 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=23227 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SqueezePower final design Power supply
I suggest anyone interested in powering their SB with one of these open frame off the shelf linears pick up a 5V Condor Medical Linear. Digikey # 271-1002-ND, cost $53.89. Much better unit than the Power One. -- mauidan mauidan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1679 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=23227 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Welborne Labs linear power supply
Skunk Wrote: > I like to speculate it's the noise suppression of the linear that makes > the difference in my system. My house wiring is poor, and I have no > power conditioning. > > Do those with power conditioning units notice less of a difference with > the linear compared to switching? > > If the current supply were so close to being maxed out when using the > switch mode supply, wouldn't a difference be audible when the display > is off versus full brightness? I don't notice a sonic change when > scrolling through brightness settings... If your AC is bad, power conditioning will help the SMPS or linear. I'm sure the stock supply has more than enough current to run the SB. -- mauidan mauidan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1679 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=23179 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Stereophile Newsletter and the SB, Part II
Wonder if he'll compare the SB to the Sonus in his review. -- mauidan mauidan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1679 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=23079 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Power supply upgrade
Patrick Dixon Wrote: > Isn't it amazing how much bile is generated because some people get some > enjoyment out of a difference that they hear from some piece of audio > equipment, and which they then choose to spend their money on? > > People spend loads of money on real diamonds (rather than a piece of > glass that most of us, in a blind A/B X/Y test wouldn't ever pick), or > original art, or whatever - without comment! > > Strange ... Great post! -- mauidan mauidan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1679 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=20844 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Power supply upgrade
All questions about this new power supply should be directed to mauimods.com. I've just past along the specs which were posted on the tacthackers forum. I have no pictures other than the one I've posted. I have not heard it, but based on the performance of my other mauimods.com upgrades, I expect it will be excellent. Dan -- mauidan mauidan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1679 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=20844 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Power supply upgrade
mlihl Wrote: > Nice one! How much does it cost? > > Regards, > > Mike Mike- I don't know if Anthony has finalized the price yet, he just sent me the specs/picture. You can contact him at Mauimods.com, if you're interested. Dan -- mauidan mauidan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1679 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=20844 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Power supply upgrade
New SB linear power supply. +---+ |Filename: MMSBPSU.JPG | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1180| +---+ -- mauidan mauidan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1679 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=20844 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Stereophile eNewsletter SB Content
joncourage Wrote: > Ditto? > > In any case, it would be shortsighted of S'phile to proclaim the SB as > inferior in any significant way. The SB just may be a convergence > technology that pulls high-end manufacturer's bacon out of the waning > demand fire. It opens a whole new market, and possibly a new > generation or two, to the pursuit (addiction) of high end audio. > > I've spent over $3grand on gear since acquiring my SB - money I would > NEVER have spent otherwise. It's been over 20 years since I spent that > kind of money - any money actually - on audio gear. > > Building systems around an SB source should have speaker and amp and > DAC and cable manufacturers salivating. Hopefully a good review from JA will encourage other companies to start developing PC/HD based music servers. All those big name DVD HD recorders are music servers waiting to happen. -- mauidan mauidan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1679 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22697 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Stereophile eNewsletter SB Content
tyler_durden Wrote: > What? No Mpingo discs? No sticky dots? > Maybe they're saving them for the full review... > > TD In the April issue, JA reviews the DCS P8i SACD Player,Olive Symphony Music Server and Grace m902 D/A Headphone amp. I don't see any mention of Mpingo discs or sticky dots in these reviews or in his most recent listings of associated equipment. Maybe you're on to something, do Mpingo discs and sticky dots improve the performance of your SB? FYI- He really liked the Symphony, but it can't play Apple Lossless Compression, and that was the primary reason he decided not to buy it. I'm looking forward to reading his testing of the SB. -- mauidan mauidan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1679 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22697 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: simple amp recommendations?
LyngdorfAudio TDA2200+, 5 digital inputs, paraEQ, digital crossovers, and room correction. Energy efficient cool running power. -- mauidan mauidan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1679 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22415 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: What Amp and Speakers Are You Using?
2+2 System(main+subs) Amps:TacT S2150,LyngdorfAudio TDA2200+ Speakers:Budge Khorus Subs:JMPS-1 -- mauidan mauidan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1679 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21643 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Squeezebox 3 and TACT Millenium Mk3
enjoy_the_music Wrote: > Hi guys, > > My second post here..i have ordered an SB3 and await delivery this > week. > > I see many people modifying the power supplies and using outboard DACS > like the Benchmarck DAC. > > I'm wondering what is the best way to connect the SB and my TACT > Millenium MK3 amp? It is a full digital amplifier and has a special > Clock Gate input for a cd player that locks the clock of the cd to the > clock of the amp...this is a an XLR/AES connection. > > So do you think i can connect the SB to the clock gate? > > http://www.tactaudio.dk/amp_millennium.html > http://www.soundstage.com/revequip/robert01.htm > > This is all before i plug my laptop into the amplifier and mess with > all the room equalisation...too many toys! > > Thanks!! > > Richard Since the SB only has SPDIF coax(RCA) and Toslink digital outputs these will be the best way to connect to your Millenium, unless you have someone modify the SB to add a AES/EBU output. For best sound quality, I'd recommend the coax(RCA) output. -- mauidan mauidan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1679 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22458 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 rave in Stereophile March eNewsletter
ezkcdude Wrote: > I think all that we can take from JA's opinion is that the SB3 and Ayre > are not significantly different, and considering the huge price > difference, that's saying something. Whether the Ayre actually sounds > better at all is clearly a matter of subjective opinion, and would > depend on the listener, room setup, etc. Having read JA's reviews for many years, I can take it that the Ayre C-5XE CDP, which has never been recommended as a transport, performed better than the SB. If JA uses a hiend transport, IMO the differences will be larger. IMO, there are a number transports and CDPs that cost much less than $6K, including the Ayre CX-7e which sound better than the SB. -- mauidan mauidan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1679 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22301 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 rave in Stereophile March eNewsletter
Phil Leigh Wrote: > > If this wasn't true, there would be no audible difference between any > CD transport. I don't believe that all transports are equal, and I also > believe that the EAC (or whatever)+hard disk+SB approach is empirically > better in this respect than any spinning disk transport which will NOT > repeatedly re-read sectors until it gets an error free read. > > YMMV HD+SB maybe empirically better, but on the issue of sound quality, JA has already said the Ayre CDP sounds better than the SB with both connected to the same ML DAC: "Perhaps there was an increased sense of authority to the sound of the CD on the Ayre used as a transport, a better sense of extended low frequencies." In fairness to the SB, he had the Ayre connected with coax and the SB with Toslink. Hopefully during his testing, he'll try more combinations. -- mauidan mauidan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1679 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22301 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 rave in Stereophile March eNewsletter
ezkcdude Wrote: > Mauidan, you caught me! I have never listened listened to a $6000 CD > player in my system. I haven't even listened to $1000 players or DAC's. > That's what you wanted to hear me say, right? I'm not sure why that > makes YOU feel better, but I certainly couldn't care any less. > > I completely stand by my original statement, which was obviously meant > to be SUBJECTIVE, and I think it's safe to say most of the other > posters here knew what I was getting at. Seriously, if there were any > problem with my statement, it was actually trying to put a real number > (95%) on my estimate. I don't know what 95% even "means" in terms of > audio quality. As I've said before, it obviously has nothing to do with > measurements, or none of us would be discussing it here. ALL these > criteria that you and every other audiophile use to describe music are > SUBJECTIVE. Repeat it with me, maudian, SUBJECTIVE. > > My "guess" was just an assertion that even the best DAC out there most > likely doesn't make a whole heck of a lot of difference, at least, in > most real-world systems. Sure, you put together a $100,000, and maybe > there are noticeable differences. But, is that really the goal here? > Noticeable? The > ifisquintmyeyesandleanoverthismuchandtwistmyleftearicandefinitelyhearaslightpeakinthemidbassregion > audiophiles drive me nuts! And that's all I'm gonna say to you > maudidan. Take a chill pill, and learn to just enjoy the music! I've never heard a $6K CDP in my system either. Once again, I was only interested in what experience you'd had with the "best" transport/DAC combos out there," to arrived at your guess. Nothing more. -- mauidan mauidan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1679 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22301 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 rave in Stereophile March eNewsletter
joncourage Wrote: > Is it really necessary to be smarmy and condescending? If you don't > like the guy's post then reply to it in a professional and dignified > way; you'll be taken more seriously. > > Sorry to be the freaking internet police but I find the tendency for > nastiness in anonymous internet forums a very discouraging sign of the > human condition. I simply asked ezkcdude to qualify his statement: "I'm guessing that even using just the stock SB3 analog outputs gets you at least 95% of the way towards the "best" transport/DAC combo out there." I was interested in what experience he had with the "best" transport/DAC combo out there," to arrived at his guess. Please tell me how I could have ask this in "a professional and dignified way" to get the detailed response I was looking for? -- mauidan mauidan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1679 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22301 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 rave in Stereophile March eNewsletter
ezkcdude Wrote: > I'm guessing that even using just the stock SB3 analog outputs gets you > at least 95% of the way towards the "best" transport/DAC combo out > there. Please tell us what "best" transport/DAC combos out there, you've heard that you base this guess on? Please be sure and tell us if these transport/DAC combos were link to a central clock, what type of digital connection/cable was used, were any of the components modified and finally, what system was used to evaluate their performance. -- mauidan mauidan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1679 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22301 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 rave in Stereophile March eNewsletter
Ayre C-5xe is not a transport. I don't know anyone(other than a reviewer) that buys a $6K CDP and uses it as a transport. There are lots of good transports and DACs both new and used for a lot less. Hopefully, JA will provide some more meaningful comparisons in his review. -- mauidan mauidan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1679 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22301 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 rave in Stereophile March eNewsletter
JA said he could still hear a difference comparing the SB and Ayre C-5xe both used as a transports feeding a ML DAC. -- mauidan mauidan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1679 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22301 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Mods for a non-modder: AES/EBU and XLR outputs
The SB's SPDIF output can be converted to AES with a SC961-04 AES/EBU 75 ohms to 110 ohm SM Pulse transformer available from: http://www.partsconnexion.com/catalog/digital.html At 44.1, the existing Coax or Toslink should be able to drive a long cable run. High quality long Toslinks are available from: http://www.lifatec.com/Lifusa_patchcords.htm -- mauidan mauidan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1679 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22246 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: upgrade digital output
highdudgeon Wrote: > Indeed I did. I would appreciate an apology, too. This isn't a flame; > I'm just completely confused as to why you would attack a stranger with > all this sarcasm and snootiness. Of course, you're not the kind to > take or accept an olive branch, and you're certainly not the kind to > apologize. Apology? After you send me foul mouth private emails and belittle my work, which you know absolutely nothing about. Not in this lifetime. -- mauidan mauidan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1679 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19475 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: upgrade digital output
highdudgeon Wrote: > Let's see...ahem. Okay, now that everyone has read the entire thread: > > Who started this? Who began with the insults, baiting, teasing > whatever? Kind words indeed. All the more so to be so "humble" after > jumping in out of the blue and lavishing sarcasm, snootiness, and > personal vendetta against a de facto stranger. > > That's right. Dan himself. Kind words aside, I have known few people > who have managed to get themselves thrown off a forum for exactly the > arrogant and abrasive behavior shown here. Kicked off a forum for > being rude, and, it seems, resentful of it. Point, set, match. > > Now, back to audio. > > As before, Dan, I put it to you that it is best for you simply to > resist your inner urges and not reply to any of my posts. I will > likewise do the same. You don't like me, I don't like you, we don't > respect each other. The better part of valor, then, would be to avoid > each other, not step into conversations, etc. Got it? Is this hard to > grasp?Mahalo. "Please keep the flame war under control here. The forums are here for people to discuss things related to audio and Squeezeboxen, not be derogatory towards eachother.Thank you. - Kevin Pearsall,Customer Support Manager,Slim Devices Inc." Kevin- Thought you asked for the flames to stop? -- mauidan mauidan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1679 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19475 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: upgrade digital output
Jeff Moore Wrote: > 2006-03-17-13:36:17 highdudgeon: > > Of course, Dan, who hasn't been reviewing speakers on a weekly basis > > for twenty years, who has no formal training in acoustics, no PhD in > > mathematics, who is not a recorded musician and engineer for > > well-received classical recordings, etc., certainly knows better. > > H'mm. I just know I'll regret stepping in here, but somehow I can't > help it... > > I hate it when people seem to need to get snippy, and I understand > your > reaction; but for what it's worth, if this is the same "Maui Dan" > I've > encountered before, he's a fellow with very good ears and a knack for > coming up with well-engineered but reasonable-cost ways to make > excellent equipment sound even better. He's come up with some > significant drop-in improvements for TacT gear; when I finally > followed > up on his recommendations of Running Springs power conditioners I > wished > I'd done it long before, before I'd invested so much in Shunyata > devices; and of course since he seems to share my enthusiasm for > Audience AU24 interconnects he must be a man of discernment :-). Jeff, Mahalo for your kind words. Dan -- mauidan mauidan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1679 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19475 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: upgrade digital output
highdudgeon Wrote: > God, you really are a pain in the butt, aren't you? I can't imagine > what it must be like to be so angry and bored in life as to need to > attack complete strangers on line. I hope you don't behave this way in > person. > > As stated elsewhere: > > Harbeth Monitor 40s ($9k, okay?) + ACI Force subs (relatively > inexpensive and just wonderful); Carver Sunfire amp (a real dark > horse); Bel Canto Pre2 preamp; Rane DEQ60L equalizer (with Fuzzmeasure > software, Prenous Firexbox mic preamp, DBX RTA mic). All cables by > Blue Jeans Cables, which are a real bargain, and every bit as good as > the AP Oval 9's and Acoustic Zen Satoris I've had. > > Assorted room treatments. Custom stands to my specs by Skylan stands. > Very careful positioning. Etc., etc. > > Now, go out and get a girlfriend or something, and chill out. > > Oh: the Rane carried AKM chips and the digital stuff was engineering by > Ray Miller. Ray Miller did/does Wadia's digital stuff. > > The point is, if you're using the SB3 with a DAC that completely > re-clocks the signal, it doesn't really matter what you're using as a > transport. Like I said, yes, there IS a difference, especially with > some recordings and some genres. However, for most listening, the > stand-alone SB3 is a little marvel. > > I'm happy. I guess you're not. I feel sorry for people like you. LOL! "Harbeth Monitor 40s ($9k, okay?) + ACI Force subs (relatively inexpensive and just wonderful); Carver Sunfire amp (a real dark horse); Bel Canto Pre2 preamp; Rane DEQ60L equalizer (with Fuzzmeasure software, Prenous Firexbox mic preamp, DBX RTA mic). All cables by Blue Jeans Cables, which are a real bargain, and every bit as good as the AP Oval 9's and Acoustic Zen Satoris I've had." Wow, again George- Unlike I don't have to post statements like: "mastering studio montors; they are very expensive and are regarded as some of the best speakers anywhere, at any price," to demonstrate how great my system is, or why other people think it's so great You be well George, and keep buying everthing your hero REG says is great. ;-) -- mauidan mauidan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1679 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19475 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: upgrade digital output
highdudgeon Wrote: > PS, > > Don't know whether I was clear about this...but I am extremely > satisfied with the SB3. No mods, no external DAC, etc. It sounds just > great on my system. Mind you, I'm using mastering studio montors; they > are very expensive and are regarded as some of the best speakers > anywhere, at any price. The Squeezebox is just that good. Wow, "mastering studio montors; they are very expensive and are regarded as some of the best speakers anywhere, at any price." Gee, please tell us what very expensive and highly regarded preamp/amp are powering these "mastering studio montors; they are very expensive and are regarded as some of the best speakers anywhere, at any price," speakers that's makes the SB3 sound good as the best transports/DAC combos (ie- EMM Labs, Esoteric, Theta, ML, Wadia...etc). -- mauidan mauidan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1679 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19475 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 is fantastic!
ModelCitizen Wrote: > I do use a good Linear PSU (and cleaned mains supply) with my Squeezebox > and my comments above still apply. I'm beginning to think that the > Benchmark Dac1 may have been the wrong choice for me and that I should > probably steer away from oversampling DACs and stick to > Non-oversampling Dacs. Someone on this forum has gone on about a new > Dac called a Storm which sounds like a likely candidate for me > (especially as it's less expensive than the Dac1!). > Here's the thread incase you missed it: > http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=17948&page=11 > > MC Having listened to the Dac1, I agree. For some additional thoughts on sampling, see: http://www.lavryengineering.com/documents/Sampling_Theory.pdf -- mauidan mauidan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1679 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22099 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Stereophile review in the works!
PhilNYC Wrote: > I thought the discussion was quite civil.. :-) Once again, I agree. -- mauidan mauidan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1679 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21628 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Coax or Optical
P Floding Wrote: > Yes, I have yet to experiment with improving digital transmission. First > up are new input transformers. Next probably BNC connectors. > > It would be interesting to see if TosLINK could be improved as well, > however. First up should be a new power supplies for your processor and SB. -- mauidan mauidan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1679 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21775 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Stereophile review in the works!
PhilNYC Wrote: > I think you're making some pretty big assumptions here. I've been > involved in more than a handful of tests (blind and not blind) that > have shown differences that were quite easy to hear... I agree. Maybe he's never heard low jitter components in a revealing system. -- mauidan mauidan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1679 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21628 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB-3 and external DAC
highdudgeon Wrote: > One follow-up: > > I had a Lavry DA10 in-house for some six weeks. I sent it back for a > repair, they are backordered, and now I'm getting a refund. I guess I > can order another one down the line. > > Anyway, here's my take, having heard the Benchmark and, extensively, > the Lavry in my house: I think the advantages of an ourboard DAC are > minimal, especially once you consider the price. A thousand dollars is > a thousand dollars and that buys a lot of CDs. Yes, there was some > improvement -- some -- in imaging and clarity of minute sounds. > Sometimes I could tell and sometimes I could not. (I had the analog > outs going to one preamp input and the digital out to the DAC to > another preamp input). Right now I'm living without an outboard > DAC...and not really missing anything. Electronics by Bel Canto and > Carver, speakers by Harbeth ($9,000 speakers at that). Maybe the Lavry was defective, or maybe there are other colorations in your system making it hard to notice the external DAC differences. -- mauidan mauidan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1679 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=17948 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Coax or Optical
P Floding Wrote: > Yes, I probably do. But so do many, many others, which was the point of > my advice. Of course, it is easy to make yourself believe that coax > sounds better since you know what jitter figures someone has measured, > at some stage. (Figures which may or may not relate to the actual > jitter figures that you are getting in your system.) > > I think most systems suffer from a variety of noise problems. > > P.S: Without knowing the nature of the jitter it is not really possible > to say anything about the sonic effects of the jitter. Perhaps the > TosLINK jitter is more benign -i.e uncorrelated to the music signal. I've dealt with the noise issues in my digital system and use quality AES/EBU digital innterconnects. I don't know what the jitter levels are from my transports or processor, but I do know AES/EBU cables sound much better than bandwidth limited Toslinks. In stock systems like yours, I'm sure Toslinks help. -- mauidan mauidan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1679 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21775 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Coax or Optical
P Floding Wrote: > If you have an optical cable, as well as a coax, hook it up with both at > the same time. Switch between them. If you can't hear any difference, > unhook the coax and listen to the optical. Can you now hear any > difference compared to before? If yes, go with the optical! If no, go > with the optical anyway! > > If, on the other hand, you could actually hear a difference when both > coax and optical were connected at the same time, then you have to > choose based on comparing optical (with disconnected coax!), to coax. > > Why all this strange reasoning? > Well, I've come to the conclusion that at least in my system the act of > connecting the SB to the DAC galvanically (electrically) makes a bigger > difference to the sound than the actual path the digital information > takes! So the coax is a bad influence even if I'm actually listening to > the optical. This info was posted a while back: "I just purchased a brand new SB3, and a colleague subjected the digital outputs to a quick jitter measurement using Audio Precision equipment. Results: SB3 digital coax out jitter: ~99ps SB3 digital optical out jitter: ~892ps" If you system sounds better with Toslink, than you've got noise problems in your DAC, or processor that need to be addressed. Probably SMPS noise and poor quality pulse transformers. -- mauidan mauidan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1679 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21775 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: External clock mods - who does them and how much?
tzucc Wrote: > I would like to buy a latest SB modded to accept a external word clock > from my DCS DAC. > > Who does these mods and for how much? > > Are there any additional mods that are recommended if you don't care > about the SB DACs... all I want is this thing to pipe redbook audio out > via BNC SPDIF to my DAC, under control of a master clock from my DAC. > Both clock and SPDIF should be coax BNC. Contact: http://www.db-system.ms/index.html -- mauidan mauidan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1679 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=20284 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Pinging Mauidan - CAL transport vs SB
krzys Wrote: > I own a SB2 which I use with the Behringer DCX as a DAC. In one of the > treads you've mentionned you have a CAL Delta transport. Can you tell > me how this transport compare to SB used as a transport? > I sold my full CDP but are thinking to buy a CAL as an occasional cd > player - nostalgic am I(?). > Chris The sound will depend on the quality of the DAC. I have not compared a SB2 to the Cal Delta. I mentioned it only a reference point with regard to jitter measurements. In my TacT system,the Delta was very smooth and musical. It has both SPDIF and AES transformer coupled digital outputs, and a linear power supply. -- mauidan mauidan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1679 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=20101 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: A photo of your Squeezebox setup (please)
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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: upgrade digital output
highdudgeon Wrote: > All, > > So, I finally received my Lavry DA10 (it shipped last week). The > difference between using it with my CDP and using my CDP alone are > minimal. The difference between using the SB3 alone and the SB3 > through the DAC is striking. > > Mind you, I was prepared to find it to be otherwise. I'm not into > throwing money at problems that don't exist and listening for > "problems." Still...more intense imaging, that sort of thing. Worth a > grand? That's a good question. If I didn't already have terrific > speakers, I'd have to say the thousand dollars are better spent on > speakers.. > > Anyway, I'm not really in modding and find that most things out there > are expensive panaceas. QUOTE] > > Not really into modding, but you spent a grand to get your $250. SB to > sound as good as your $400. Sony CDP. -- mauidan mauidan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1679 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19475 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Best mod?
DitherMan Wrote: > My approach to replacing the switched-mode power supply with a linear > one would be (haven't done it yet) to provide a wideband regulator, > remote sense (so that the voltage being controlled is the one reaching > the SB3 power connector allowing a longer cable and not being concerned > with voltage drop), and possibly a capacitor upgrade in the SB3 itself. > Not especially keen to void the warranty, so may just make do with the > first two. > > However, to my ears, there's not a lot wrong with the SB3 as it stands. The linear listed at: http://www.cascadesurplus.com/catalo...roducts_id/856 has remote sensing. -- mauidan mauidan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1679 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=18491 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Best mod?
GaryB Wrote: > I posted this over on the Audiocircles forum yesterday but thought it > might also be of interest to this group. I hope its not violating any > rules to repeat it here. > > We also added a transformer output using Scientific Conversions > SC916-01 1:1 shielded digital transformers. > > ---Gary You should have tried the SC947-02. -- mauidan mauidan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1679 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=18491 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Solving the jitter problem . . . .
pfarrell Wrote: > On Mon, 2006-01-02 at 20:42 -0800, konut wrote:[color=blue] > > For example, the famous Burr-Brown > DAC chips are from Burr-Brown, which is > a division of TI. > http://www.burr-brown.com/ > just redirects you to > http://focus.ti.com/analog/docs/analoghome.jsp > > > > -- > Pat Farrell PRC recording studio > http://www.pfarrell.com/PRC You have that rare gift of restating the obvious. Have you ever done any electronic work inside the box or do you just quote what others say? -- mauidan mauidan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1679 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19636 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Solving the jitter problem . . . .
ezkcdude Wrote: > Regarding the Benchmark, I just read a review by Peter Aczel of The > Audio Critic (which for $12 gives you a lifetime subscription to the > webzine). This guy performs all his own measurements, and gives > no-nonsense, no-bull reviews. This is his conclusion, > > "It should be obvious from the above discussion, at least to those > familiar with The Audio Critic, that the Benchmark DAC1 has no sound of > its own, transparently passing on to its output the quality of its > input. Whatever sonic peculiarities may perchance be audible are due to > the input signal, not the DAC1 circuit. Even if the circuit were a lot > less perfect, that would still be the case." > > In the review, he basically stated that the DAC1 measures as perfectly > neutral a device as he's ever seen. Regarding jitter, he couldn't find > any "noisy sidebands" indicating jitter. Anyway, it looks like you > really don't have to (and shouldn't) shell out any more than the cost > of a DAC-1 (~1000) for the ultimate in CD playback. "Even if the circuit were a lot less perfect, that would still be the case." News Flash- the DAC-1's circuit is not perfect. If I needed a DAC, for the same money, I'd rather have a Lavry Black. -- mauidan mauidan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1679 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19636 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: upgrade digital output
FlyFishAndGolf Wrote: > All of these values are well below the audible level of jitter. > According to studies published by the Audio Engineering Society, jitter > isn't audible until around 20,000 ps. > > Theoretical and Audible Effects of Jitter on Digital Audio Quality > Benjamin, Eric; Gannon, Benjamin > AES Preprint: 4826 Have you done your own listening tests? SB1 users on the TacThackers forum reported a big improvement feeding the digital output from the SB1 through a Apogee Big Ben(BB) prior to routing the signal to their TacT RCS units. With the improvements to SB3, most now feel the BB is no longer needed. Assuming you're using an external DAC, if you hear no difference feeding the DAC via the SB3's Toslink output verses the RCA output, then I quess you have nothing to worry about. -- mauidan mauidan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1679 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19475 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: upgrade digital output
M3Rocket Wrote: > Yeah--just be careful clicking on the first Google result for "tact > forum"... :O Sorry, here's the source of the jitter measurements: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TacTHackers/ -- mauidan mauidan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1679 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19475 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: upgrade digital output
dwc Wrote: > Not necessarily true, and in fact I think wrong. The difference could > be in the analog stage. The SB3 is known for having very low jitter > and a very high-quality digital output. > -Dan Depends on which of SB3's digital output you use. From the Tact forum: "Hi SB Users,I had a chance to measure the SB3 in jitter. The readings were 600 pS for Toslink and 100 pS for RCA coax. The latter reading was excellent. In contrast the SB1 had a jitter reading of 1400 pS for both Toslink and coax outputs. This meant that the jitter in the SB1 came from the clock while that from the SB3 came from the digital interface." My 14 year old CAL Delta transport was measure by Sterophile to have 50 pS of jitter. -- mauidan mauidan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1679 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19475 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: upgrade digital output
highdudgeon Wrote: > Just spoke to Kevin -- what a champ. There are no plans to upgrade the > firmware for greater rates. In fact, the reason my 24/96 files come > out as 44.1 is that the SB doesn't even recognize the file. This will > not change in the forseeable future. > > I can see there point. There are not a lot of 24/96 sources in the > commercial sector. Pity, though. There's lots of 24/96 & 24/192 sources if you transfer an LP collection to digital or do your own recordings. Did you take those inside pictures of Lavry Black yet? -- mauidan mauidan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1679 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19475 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: upgrade digital output
highdudgeon Wrote: > All, > > So, I finally received my Lavry DA10 (it shipped last week). The > difference between using it with my CDP and using my CDP alone are > minimal. The difference between using the SB3 alone and the SB3 > through the DAC is striking. > > Anyway, I'm not really in modding and find that most things out there > are expensive panaceas. Having said that...anyone know if increasing > digital output is possible? The SB3 obviously has much higher jitter or noise on it's Spdif output than your CDP, and is benefiting from the Lavry DA10's buffered input. -- mauidan mauidan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1679 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19475 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Why doesn't Slim Devices create an audiophile version?
ezkcdude Wrote: > the SB3 is better than any Class A Stereophile digital source > component. QUOTE] > > What Class A Stereophile or any other hiend Digital Source have you > compared the SB3 to in your system(please list)? > > Sterophile's 2005 Digital Source and Product of the Year is the > Ayre C-5xe, it can play Redbook CDs, 24/192 & 24/96 DVD-As and > SACDs. -- mauidan mauidan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1679 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19016 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Why doesn't Slim Devices create an audiophile version?
radish Wrote: > And??? And what? PS- how does someone become a "senior member?" -- mauidan mauidan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1679 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19016 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Why doesn't Slim Devices create an audiophile version?
Kyle Wrote: > I thought seriously about that unit when I was looking several weeks > ago. The deciding factor for me (besides cost, which was a bonus, but > I was willing to spend to get what I wanted) was being able to have the > SB3 sitting out while the rest of my components are behind closed doors. > I did not want to have to turn on the TV or open cabinet doors to > navigate my collection (not to mention my wife would never figure it > out), and I didn't want something that large sitting out (WAF again). > The more I learned about SB3, the better I liked it, particularly the > ability to easily add storage, open source, and the community here to > help idiots like me. Interesting. Spoke to a friend today who's a computer specialist, and he sent back the SB3 and ordered the cambridge. -- mauidan mauidan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1679 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19016 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Why doesn't Slim Devices create an audiophile version?
Here's another integrated' product: http://tinyurl.com/dxbzb MSRP- $1399. -- mauidan mauidan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1679 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19016 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB1 digital out compared to SB2 and SB3
pfarrell Wrote: > On Tue, 2005-12-13 at 19:01 -0800, mauidan wrote: > > If you're happy with the sound you're getting from the SB, then > > don't worry about jitter levels. > > Perhaps you've never heard a low jitter hiend system. > > What system(s)are your SBs connect to? > > I'm not worried about it now. > My serious SB is connected to a Benchmark DAC-1. > If you care about the rest, its in the archives. > > -- > Pat Farrell > http://www.pfarrell.com I don't need to search the archives for the rest. I've tested the DAC-1 in my system. Be well. Mele Kalikimaka -- mauidan mauidan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1679 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=18116 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB1 digital out compared to SB2 and SB3
I'm open to being educated on it, but I'm not convinced by this message or year of reading the high end rags. -- Pat http://www.pfarrell.com/music/slimserver/slimsoftware.html If you're happy with the sound you're getting from the SB, then don't worry about jitter levels. Perhaps you've never heard a low jitter hiend system. What system(s)are your SBs connect to? -- mauidan mauidan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1679 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=18116 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB1 digital out compared to SB2 and SB3
pfarrell Wrote: > On Sat, 2005-12-10 at 18:26 -0800, scan80269 wrote:[color=blue] > > > I believe that most of the focus on jitter is hype to > separate audiophiles from their money. I could be wrong. > YMMV and all that. > > -- > Pat > http://www.pfarrell.com/music/slimserver/slimsoftware.html Yes, you are wrong. -- mauidan mauidan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1679 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=18116 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
