[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 plus DAC vs Transporter with or without DAC
crooner;162284 Wrote: Right now I am getting fantastic sound out of my SB3+DAC combo. But given the quality of the rest of my equipment, would it be worthwile to upgrade to a transporter? If so, I would have little need to keep the Lite Audio DAC. I have no idea whether a TP would sound better, and I suspect no-one else will know either. However I will offer a friendly warning that you may be entering the dark world of never-ending upgrade-itis ... if your current setup sounds fantastic to you, why change it? You're scratching an itch you haven't got, which always seems like a bad idea to me... YMMV Ceejay -- ceejay ceejay's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=148 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30530 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 plus DAC vs Transporter with or without DAC
The only way to know is to try a TP in your system. Don't they still have the 30 day trial? Right now I am getting fantastic sound out of my SB3+DAC combo. But given the quality of the rest of my equipment, would it be worthwile to upgrade to a transporter? If so, I would have little need to keep the Lite Audio DAC. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30530 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 plus DAC vs Transporter with or without DAC
Mike Anderson;162283 Wrote: I'd bet that only the most golden ears are capable of discerning any difference at that level (and by golden ears I mean people with very active imaginations). I actually find hearing the differences in my system to be quite easy...no need for golden ears, but certainly something better than a tin ear. :-) As I've mentioned many times elsewhere on this board, anyone in the NY Metro area that would like to come over to my place and do a shootout is welcome. You can bring whatever gear you'd like to compare, and would be encouraged to share your thoughts on this forum afterwards... -- PhilNYC Sonic Spirits Inc. http://www.sonicspirits.com PhilNYC's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=837 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30530 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 plus DAC vs Transporter with or without DAC
And now the one thing I am sure of is how confused I am. These have been some very excellent, informative, and occaissionally entertaining comments. I am beginning to think the Transporter may be the more elegant solution, BUT an SB3 with a good DAC might sound just as good, and allow for more flexibility in the long run. So it may be more expensive in the end, but allow for good SQ now, and keep options open for future developments. Which I expect to see many of. Make any sense? -- bluesdoc bluesdoc's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8935 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30530 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 plus DAC vs Transporter with or without DAC
They are both good options. The Squeeze Box packs a remarkable amount of bang for the buck. $300 for a Squeeze Box, a grand for a Lavry or Benchmark, and you will have great sound. I can't imagine wanting to swap out either DAC. The Transporter has other things going for it: two sets of outputs, the extra digital inputs, the nicety of having everything under one hood and, of course, good looks. If you only need bare-bones audio and have no aesthetic issues, the SB3 + DAC might be the way to go. If you want a device that is also an excellent digital line stage, that can all be serviced under one warranty, etc., then the Transporter is hard to ignore. bluesdoc;162489 Wrote: And now the one thing I am sure of is how confused I am. These have been some very excellent, informative, and occaissionally entertaining comments. I am beginning to think the Transporter may be the more elegant solution, BUT an SB3 with a good DAC might sound just as good, and allow for more flexibility in the long run. So it may be more expensive in the end, but allow for good SQ now, and keep options open for future developments. Which I expect to see many of. Make any sense? -- highdudgeon Relax. It's about the music. highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30530 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 plus DAC vs Transporter with or without DAC
Thanks for the advice! Yeah, why change it if it sounds great as it is? However, I have a few 96 KHz files ripped from DVD-As (from my own collection) and I believe the TP will be able to reproduce them. In any case, can't complain about 2006, it has been good to me. Looking forward to another great year! ceejay;162302 Wrote: I have no idea whether a TP would sound better, and I suspect no-one else will know either. However I will offer a friendly warning that you may be entering the dark world of never-ending upgrade-itis ... if your current setup sounds fantastic to you, why change it? You're scratching an itch you haven't got, which always seems like a bad idea to me... YMMV Ceejay -- crooner SB3 with Custom Linear Power Supply Lite Audio DAC-60 Tube DAC VPI Scout with Benz Micro Glider M2 Audio Research PH3, SP16L and VS110 Vandersteen 2Ce signatures, 2W subwoofer. crooner's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3379 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30530 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 plus DAC vs Transporter with or without DAC
jhm731;161975 Wrote: How many DACs have you tested with the Transporter to reach this conclusion? None - I don't have a TP. PhilNYC seems to think his Dodson DAC is better than the Transporter's DAC. Sleestack doesn't think it's total waste to use the TP as a transport. He uses TPs as transports in his systems. The one thing which is totally obvious is that people's opinions of how things sound vary tremendously, which means they are an extremely unreliable guide. Therefore I prefer to winnow down the number of options I consider using logic and reason, and then go listen to it and see if I like it, rather than rely on so-and-so prefers such-and-such. There are two possibilities for a TP connected to an external DAC (I'm ignoring the wordclock option, which I agree is superior but requires a very expensive DAC): 1) TP connected to a DAC which is immune to jitter (if you don't believe such DACs exist move to option 2). In this case the transport is totally irrelevant sound-wise, so one should use the source which is most convenient/cheapest/prettiest, which is probably not the TP. 2) TP connected to a non-jitter-immune DAC. In this case the DAC is receiving a noisy signal, and therefore has an additional disadvantage before it can even equal the TP. Of course there may be DACs out there that can do this, or that simply have analogue stages that sound better to some people, but that would be the exception rather than the rule. -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30530 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 plus DAC vs Transporter with or without DAC
highdudgeon;162012 Wrote: And, hey, they're only over $10k. Lavry makes a $9k unit, if you're looking at things like that. Before you get there, though, you'd better make damn sure you have out-of-this-world speakers and electronics. Out of this world. As for the technical level thing, how about getting technical and explaining why? Dan Lavry has an excellent white paper on jitter on his site. The Transporter's DAC has exceptionally low jitter. I strongly doubt whether, in a normal to pretty high-end system, you could tell any difference at all. http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=27927page=6highlight=sync At least on technical grounds, this user (wslam) is reporting less jittery sound from a word clock sync. Whether or not one can discern it is up to your ears though. -- Konig Konig's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8490 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30530 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 plus DAC vs Transporter with or without DAC
opaqueice;162050 Wrote: None - I don't have a TP. The one thing which is totally obvious is that people's opinions of how things sound vary tremendously, which means they are an extremely unreliable guide. Therefore I prefer to winnow down the number of options I consider using logic and reason, and then go listen to it and see if I like it, rather than rely on so-and-so prefers such-and-such. There are two possibilities for a TP connected to an external DAC (I'm ignoring the wordclock option, which I agree is superior but requires a very expensive DAC): 1) TP connected to a DAC which is immune to jitter (if you don't believe such DACs exist move to option 2). In this case the transport is totally irrelevant sound-wise, so one should use the source which is most convenient/cheapest/prettiest, which is probably not the TP. 2) TP connected to a non-jitter-immune DAC. In this case the DAC is receiving a noisy signal and has an additional disadvantage before it can even equal the TP. Of course there may be DACs out there that can do this, or that simply have analogue stages that sound better to some people, but that would be the exception rather than the rule. The lessloss has a word clock for less than USD $3K. the reason being 1) they got no remote 2) they use jumper settings instead of software settings (not convenient) 3) batteries instead of arrays of expensive power supplies 4) not very aggressive on advertising 5) no upsampling to DSD actually if u consider the fact that a used emm labs is only around $4k, lessloss does seem expensive now lolx. -- Konig Konig's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8490 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30530 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 plus DAC vs Transporter with or without DAC
simplicity is the ultimate sophistication Then why add an external DAC to a carefully engineered product? The wordclock method should eliminate (or at least very greatly reduce) jitter, but it is still at best equal to the setup inside the TP. So this DAC had better be superior to the TP's internal DAC, or it's still not worth it. Anyway thanks for the link - it looks like an interesting product. Maybe things are cheap in Lithuania and that helps with keeping the costs down -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30530 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 plus DAC vs Transporter with or without DAC
opaqueice;162050 Wrote: In this case the DAC is receiving a noisy signal and has an additional disadvantage before it can even equal the TP. Of course there may be DACs out there that can do this, or that simply have analogue stages that sound better to some people, but that would be the exception rather than the rule. I agree that most external DACs (with the exception of one using a master/slave word clock) will be at a disadvantage out of the gate because of the need to use SPDIF/AES-EBU/toslink and the potential jitter related to that. I also agree that the analog stage is critical to sound-quality, and that things like circuit design and power supply will affect that greatly (for example, my Dodson DAC has a huge high quality power supply that draws 40W, much of which is dedicated to the analog stage; it also uses 4 DAC chips - 2 per channel - in a fully balanced D-to-A design as well as in the analog stage). But I don't agree that these are the exceptions...these are the prime differentiators between digital source products, and they should be carefully considered when making a choice. -- PhilNYC Sonic Spirits Inc. http://www.sonicspirits.com PhilNYC's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=837 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30530 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 plus DAC vs Transporter with or without DAC
opaqueice;162073 Wrote: Then why add an external DAC to a carefully engineered product? The wordclock method should eliminate (or at least very greatly reduce) jitter, but it is still at best equal to the setup inside the TP. This depends on the quality of the clock/oscillator being used, and whether it is more/less accurate than the clock/oscillator inside the TP. TP oscillator jitter is listed at 12ps, and there are some out there that are rated lower (I know dCS offers the Verona, which I believe is spec'd at 4ps). The ultimate would be an atomic oscillator...! And then there's the question as to whether you can actually hear the differences. I have a friend who added a Verona to his dCS rig, and to my ears, it was one of those I think I hear something different, but I'm not sure... -- PhilNYC Sonic Spirits Inc. http://www.sonicspirits.com PhilNYC's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=837 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30530 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 plus DAC vs Transporter with or without DAC
Konig, But, really, I defy you to tell any difference. I have a lavry and have had up to three DACs in my place at the same time. Usually, it takes somewhat experienced ears to tell the difference. I've heard the Lavry Gold, which runs $9-$8k or so, and there is precious little difference between it and the Lavry DA10. Dan Lavry will tell you the same thing. And, truly, here's the thing: you're talking about devices that have 30ps or less of jitter. This is not audible. The output stages vary, yes, but they are all excellent. Now, stick an EQ device into your signal, do some measurements, and make a 2-5db correction here and there -- that will make a FAR greater difference. In short: You are better off: 1. Working within a sane budget, and that means not spending incredible heaps of money on this stuff. 2. First and foremost, get your room and speaker sorted out. Study your speaker's characteristics. Learn about speaker placement (look at articles on Allison rules). Learn about room measurement and look into, at the very least, EQ based on measurement and, better, room correction (Acourate, Tact, Lyngdorf). Get your sound RIGHT. Only then will you really appreciate the nuances, if indeed they still matter, between these things. In the meantime, the Transporter is absolutely first rate. It's silly to buy one and then fret about not having the best sound on the planet. You won't have the best sound you can have until your room and speakers are working as they should. Konig;162051 Wrote: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=27927page=6highlight=sync At least on technical grounds, this user (wslam) is reporting less jittery sound from a word clock sync. Whether or not one can discern it is up to your ears though. for the why part go to http://www.lessloss.com/ (having majors in physics and math helps alot too bad i didnt) and read the What you should know before buying a DAC section. -- highdudgeon Relax. It's about the music. highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30530 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 plus DAC vs Transporter with or without DAC
highdudgeon;162129 Wrote: 2. First and foremost, get your room and speaker sorted out. Study your speaker's characteristics. Learn about speaker placement (look at articles on Allison rules). Learn about room measurement and look into, at the very least, EQ based on measurement and, better, room correction (Acourate, Tact, Lyngdorf). Get your sound RIGHT. Only then will you really appreciate the nuances, if indeed they still matter, between these things. Why is First and foremost listed as #2? ;-) But interestingly, it was prior to getting my room and speaker placement sorted out that I found myself not hearing much difference between things like the TP and my DAC. Getting the room and the speaker placement just right raised the performance of my system to the point where I was hearing differences in gear that I previously could not... -- PhilNYC Sonic Spirits Inc. http://www.sonicspirits.com PhilNYC's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=837 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30530 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 plus DAC vs Transporter with or without DAC
It's called typing too quickly! PhilNYC;162137 Wrote: Why is First and foremost listed as #2? ;-) But interestingly, it was prior to getting my room and speaker placement sorted out that I found myself not hearing much difference between things like the TP and my DAC. Getting the room and the speaker placement just right raised the performance of my system to the point where I was hearing differences in gear that I previously could not... -- highdudgeon Relax. It's about the music. highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30530 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 plus DAC vs Transporter with or without DAC
highdudgeon;162129 Wrote: Konig, But, really, I defy you to tell any difference. I have a lavry and have had up to three DACs in my place at the same time. Usually, it takes somewhat experienced ears to tell the difference. I've heard the Lavry Gold, which runs $9-$8k or so, and there is precious little difference between it and the Lavry DA10. Dan Lavry will tell you the same thing. And, truly, here's the thing: you're talking about devices that have 30ps or less of jitter. This is not audible. The output stages vary, yes, but they are all excellent. Now, stick an EQ device into your signal, do some measurements, and make a 2-5db correction here and there -- that will make a FAR greater difference. In short: You are better off: 1. Working within a sane budget, and that means not spending incredible heaps of money on this stuff. 2. First and foremost, get your room and speaker sorted out. Study your speaker's characteristics. Learn about speaker placement (look at articles on Allison rules). Learn about room measurement and look into, at the very least, EQ based on measurement and, better, room correction (Acourate, Tact, Lyngdorf). Get your sound RIGHT. Only then will you really appreciate the nuances, if indeed they still matter, between these things. In the meantime, the Transporter is absolutely first rate. It's silly to buy one and then fret about not having the best sound on the planet. You won't have the best sound you can have until your room and speakers are working as they should. I only say this because, over and again, peopl in this forum turn toward more esoteric, expensive, or both ways to improve their sound. $9k DACs with $1k speakers. That sort of thing. In this sense, I think Raja (can you believe this, Raja?!) is dead right: you should economize and optimize where and how you can, taking into account personal preferences. The most important thing in your audio chain are the sound waves that hit your ears. A simple system with a great-sounding room will be better, and make the differences between equipment more important, than a mediocre sounding room. im using stax omega 2 headphones. i had no speakers. i need a transporter bcoz i dont even have a transport. I already have the dac. -- Konig Konig's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8490 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30530 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 plus DAC vs Transporter with or without DAC
Ah. Time for some speakers...! Konig;162183 Wrote: im using stax omega 2 headphones. i had no speakers. i need a transporter bcoz i dont even have a transport. I already have the dac. -- highdudgeon Relax. It's about the music. highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30530 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 plus DAC vs Transporter with or without DAC
You don't have a TP, and you haven't compared it's DAC to any other DACs, but you feel qualified to give people advise. LOL. opaqueice;162050 Wrote: None - I don't have a TP. -- jhm731 jhm731's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30530 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 plus DAC vs Transporter with or without DAC
Oh this is normal. Many people who'd never listened to a mod often felt qualified to trash them. LOL.. jhm731;162214 Wrote: You don't have a TP, and you haven't compared it's DAC to any other DACs, but you feel qualified to give people advise. LOL. -- 95bcwh 95bcwh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4358 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30530 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 plus DAC vs Transporter with or without DAC
highdudgeon;162188 Wrote: Ah. Time for some speakers...! Time to rob a bank for a new house, new speakers and some pleasant gifts to my mum so she doesnt complain about the noise -- Konig Konig's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8490 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30530 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 plus DAC vs Transporter with or without DAC
jhm731;162214 Wrote: You don't have a TP, and you haven't compared it's DAC to any other DACs, but you feel qualified to give people advise. LOL. I've never dunked my head into a bucket of urine, and yet I nonetheless feel qualified to advise people it's a bad idea. While it may come as a shock, there are such things in the world as reason, logic, and knowledge, and some people can actually use them! -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30530 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 plus DAC vs Transporter with or without DAC
Okay, this has got to be the funniest retort (and sage, too) that I have ever read on this forum! opaqueice;162271 Wrote: I've never dunked my head into a bucket of urine, and yet I nonetheless feel qualified to advise people it's a bad idea. While it may come as a shock, there are such things in the world as reason, logic, and knowledge, and some people can actually use them! -- highdudgeon Relax. It's about the music. highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30530 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 plus DAC vs Transporter with or without DAC
bluesdoc;161532 Wrote: So what do you think? for best SOUND quality would you think Squeezebox3 plus DAC (eg. Benchmark or equivalent), vs Transporter alone, vs Transporter plus DAC (which might be overkill? or not?) thanks in advance. BluesDoc Hey!!! Is that you JS? Glad to see you over here, if so. I haven't tried the Transporter yet, but from the reports I've seen, I'd have to think it's just as good as any SB+DAC combination you could come up with. I'd bet that only the most golden ears are capable of discerning any difference at that level (and by golden ears I mean people with very active imaginations). -- Mike Anderson 'FREE RADICAL RADIO!' (http://nvo.com/cd) Hours of free radical MP3s. Mike Anderson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1705 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30530 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 plus DAC vs Transporter with or without DAC
I have a pretty decent system (see signature and pic below). I am currently using an ummodded SB3 with the Power One linear PS. The DAC is a Lite Audio DAC60 (BB 1704 based, 6922 outputs) with upgraded coupling caps (Sonicaps with bypass). I am not willing to get rid of my preamp since I also do analog. Also, all my outputs, inputs are single-ended. Right now I am getting fantastic sound out of my SB3+DAC combo. But given the quality of the rest of my equipment, would it be worthwile to upgrade to a transporter? If so, I would have little need to keep the Lite Audio DAC. +---+ |Filename: system november 06 low res.jpg | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2145| +---+ -- crooner SB3 with Custom Linear Power Supply Lite Audio DAC-60 Tube DAC VPI Scout with Benz Micro Glider M2 Audio Research PH3, SP16L and VS110 Vandersteen 2Ce signatures, 2W subwoofer. crooner's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3379 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30530 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 plus DAC vs Transporter with or without DAC
Thanks tomjtx. This about says it all except... if you aren't going to use the Transporter's DAC then why buy it? You'd be better off saving your money and buying a SB3 and using that along with an external DAC. MC -- ModelCitizen Now what? Transporter Naim NAP 250 PMC OB1s. Music catalog: http://modelcitizen.mine.nu/music.txt ModelCitizen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=446 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30530 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 plus DAC vs Transporter with or without DAC
tomjtx;161677 Wrote: IMO it would be a waste of money to use the TP to feed an external DAC since I don't think there is a DAC out there that is better. If you want to use an external DAC you can save a lot by using it with an SB FWIW, I use my Transporter with an external DAC (Dodson DA-218). And it sounds far better than my SB2 + Dodson. -- PhilNYC Sonic Spirits Inc. http://www.sonicspirits.com PhilNYC's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=837 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30530 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 plus DAC vs Transporter with or without DAC
Unless you get your TP modded, perhaps the best sound quality would be an analog modded SB direct to amplifier. Eliminate the external DAC. -- rajacat rajacat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4156 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30530 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 plus DAC vs Transporter with or without DAC
bluesdoc...what does the rest of your system look like? -- PhilNYC Sonic Spirits Inc. http://www.sonicspirits.com PhilNYC's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=837 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30530 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 plus DAC vs Transporter with or without DAC
Phil, I forgot.. do you have a modded SB2??? I must admit that the stock SB2 with stock Walwart sounded flat and liveless to me. PhilNYC;161739 Wrote: FWIW, I use my Transporter with an external DAC (Dodson DA-218). And it sounds far better than my SB2 + Dodson. -- 95bcwh 95bcwh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4358 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30530 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 plus DAC vs Transporter with or without DAC
I think Tom, who is about as stand-up a guy as you will find here, in addition to one with an outstanding reference system and the trained ears of a professional musician, has disproved this notion. Using a Bolder full mods SB2 -- which incidentally works out to being slightly more expensive than a Transporter -- he said that sound was very good...but that he preferred the Transporter. Amongst other things, you can't get around a different DAC chip. For the record, run a transporter straight into an amp, which I think is pretty common around these parts. It works quite well and works perhaps better than an SB3 + Lavry (and, trust me, 1 foot of high quality digital coax is not going to degrade signal, and especially not when you're dealing with a re-clocking DAC). rajacat;161813 Wrote: Unless you get your TP modded, perhaps the best sound quality would be an analog modded SB direct to amplifier. Eliminate the external DAC. It's not that the TP internal dac is exceptional but that by eliminating the external dac you are simplifying the signal path and no interconnects are necessary. -- highdudgeon Relax. It's about the music. highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30530 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 plus DAC vs Transporter with or without DAC
95bcwh;161822 Wrote: Phil, I forgot.. do you have a modded SB2??? I must admit that the stock SB2 with stock Walwart sounded flat and liveless to me. I have an Elpac power supply, but otherwise the SB2 is unmodded. Am currently using my SB2 in my office system together with a modified Zhaolu 2.0 DAC with good results. The analog-outs on the SB2 in that system (Focus Audio FS-68SE monitors, Bel Canto Pre3/S300 electronics) sounds a bit thin and unengaging to me. My Transporter in my reference system sounds terrific on its own, but the Dodson DAC is still IMHO a level above. Note that it took quite a bit of system setup time (particularly room treatments and speaker positioning) to finally get to the level of performance where I was able to tell the difference between the Transporter and the Dodson with relative ease...prior to getting things just right, the differences were surprisingly small... -- PhilNYC Sonic Spirits Inc. http://www.sonicspirits.com PhilNYC's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=837 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30530 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 plus DAC vs Transporter with or without DAC
My fully modded (analog/digital)platinum Sonicap upgrade SB3 will be delivered any day now. I did not go for the Bybees. Total cost = $475 + shipping. I have a Bolder modded Power One power supply ($2.50 + $100 for mods). I built my own power cord for the SB3 using silver wire. My total expenses will be ~$600. While the SQ might not be quite as good as a stock TP it will be close enough for me and this difference might not be audible to most people in an average system. OTOH sound quality is somewhat a matter of taste and some might actually prefer the SQ of the modded SB. Tom did not say the the SQ of the TP was a slam dunk but the differences were subtle and others might come to a different conclusion. Raja -- rajacat rajacat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4156 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30530 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 plus DAC vs Transporter with or without DAC
Gawd. My experience. You'd be hard pushed to find something that sounds better than than the Trannsporter. MC -- ModelCitizen Now what? Transporter Naim NAP 250 PMC OB1s. Music catalog: http://modelcitizen.mine.nu/music.txt ModelCitizen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=446 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30530 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 plus DAC vs Transporter with or without DAC
To my ears, I greatly preferred the SQ of the stock SB3/Mhdt Constantine dac to the SQ of the stock SB3 analog outs. The stock SB3 SQ is fairly pedestrian. Raja -- rajacat rajacat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4156 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30530 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 plus DAC vs Transporter with or without DAC
tomjtx;161677 Wrote: I agree with MC but I don't mean this to answer for him. The TP has a great DAC . I haven't heard better. i've compared it to the Lavry DAC (which many like better than the Benchmark). I like the TP better than the Lavry. I think the 2 are so close it may just be a matter of opinion. IMO it would be a waste of money to use the TP to feed an external DAC since I don't think there is a DAC out there that is better. If you want to use an external DAC you can save a lot by using it with an SB If you want a TP for the looks, I would suggest you live with it a month, then compare it to other DACs. I would be surprised if you still wanted a stand alone DAC. Let us know what you decide and what you hear in your comparisons, should be interesting and (hopefully) fun SB3 doesnt have a wordclock input function. You can slave the transporter to an external DAC to reduce jitter but this cant be done with a SB3. Usually such dacs (i mean well implemented ones) come at a higher premium than the larvy and benchmark -- Konig Konig's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8490 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30530 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 plus DAC vs Transporter with or without DAC
Which is what makes the Benchmark and Lavry such great values. Again, if they're good enough for top mastering studios...they're probably good enough for home use. You owe it to yourself to try one, if possible. -- highdudgeon Relax. It's about the music. highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30530 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 plus DAC vs Transporter with or without DAC
rajacat;161863 Wrote: To my ears, I greatly preferred the SQ of the stock SB3/Mhdt Constantine dac to the SQ of the stock SB3 analog outs. The stock SB3 SQ is fairly pedestrian. Raja I'm with rajacat on this one also, the Constantine is in a class of its own. Rajacat, how did you connect the two - with coax or optical? -- NewBuyer NewBuyer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7862 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30530 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 plus DAC vs Transporter with or without DAC
NewBuyer;161931 Wrote: I'm with rajacat on this one also, the Constantine is in a class of its own. Rajacat, how did you connect the two - with coax or optical? Coax. If you read this forum regularly, it would seem that the Lavry, Benchmark and the Dodson are the only dacs on the market. Raja -- rajacat rajacat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4156 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30530 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 plus DAC vs Transporter with or without DAC
bluesdoc;161532 Wrote: So what do you think? for best SOUND quality would you think Squeezebox3 plus DAC (eg. Benchmark or equivalent), vs Transporter alone, vs Transporter plus DAC (which might be overkill? or not?) thanks in advance. BluesDoc To answer part of your question, on a technical level it's almost certainly a bad idea to connect the transporter to an external DAC. The reason is that any S/PDIF connection will induce jitter into the digital signal, so the external DAC will be receiving a much noisier signal than the internal DAC of the Transporter (or SB, for that matter). Given that the TP was carefully engineered to maximize its fidelity without (much) concern for cost, it's highly unlikely that any external DAC will be able to overcome the significant disadvantage of a jittery input to even match the TP's performance, let alone exceed it. A few DACs are claimed to be immune to input jitter. This is probably the case (for example for the Lavry), but then you are only guaranteed an equal playing field for a $1000 DAC vs. $2000 TP. Still highly unclear that the external DAC wins. -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30530 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 plus DAC vs Transporter with or without DAC
I am pretty interested in Bluesdoc's question I have SB3 + Perpetual Technology P1/P3 it sounds very good. Now purely on aesthetics, the transporter appeals -looks great to me love idea of dual display. but £1300 is hard for me to justify. ...but if it sounded better I could persuade the mrs -esp if selling exising dac combo People hear differences in CD transportsso how many have directly substituted the Transporter for the SB3 in a system with external DAC to see if they can hear a difference? Please note that I accept the internal DAC may be wonderful, but if I thought the Transporter was a better ...er transporter I might take the plunge decide after auditioning whether to stick with external DAC or not... Neale -- ntom SB3, Perpetual Technologies P1-A / P3-A, Naim 82, 4 x Naim 135, Magneplanar MG3a ntom's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3197 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30530 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 plus DAC vs Transporter with or without DAC
I think it really comes down to personal taste and the type of sound you prefer. In my system the Transporter sounds distinctly different to SB3 plus lavry, benchmark or Belcanto DAC2. Out of these 3 combos I would say the SB3 plus the Belcanto DAC2 sounds the closest to the Transporter tone wise. My gut feel is the SB3 plus Lavry is probably the most accurate but not as engaging as the Transporter. The Transporter really comes into it's own when attached direct to power amps. I also wonder at times if the Transporter has a little midrange smearing/bloom, this only becomes evident as I increase the volume and I wonder if it is my room starting put it's footprint on the sound. I would be interested to hear others thoughts here. If you can live without analog in's the Transporter makes an excellent preamp/dac/transport combo. -- dlite dlite's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4885 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30530 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 plus DAC vs Transporter with or without DAC
opaqueice;161971 Wrote: To answer part of your question, on a technical level it's almost certainly a bad idea to connect the transporter to an external DAC. The reason is that any S/PDIF connection will induce jitter into the digital signal, so the external DAC will be receiving a much noisier signal than the internal DAC of the Transporter (or SB, for that matter). Given that the TP was carefully engineered to maximize its fidelity without (much) concern for cost, it's highly unlikely that any external DAC will be able to overcome the significant disadvantage of a jittery input to even match the TP's performance, let alone exceed it. A few DACs are claimed to be immune to input jitter. This is probably the case (for example for the Lavry), but then you are only guaranteed an equal playing field for a $1000 DAC vs. $2000 TP. Still doubtful that the external DAC wins, and you've spent significantly more than on the TP alone. Furthermore in this case the TP as a transport is a total waste - you should simply use a SB (or a $30 universal disc player, for that matter). On a technical level you can amend things by SLAVING the transporter via word clock. This is better than a transporter + dac without word clock sync. And i believe there are quite a number of dacs that when clocked, can exceed the performance of TP. for example the emm labs. -- Konig Konig's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8490 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30530 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 plus DAC vs Transporter with or without DAC
And, hey, they're only over $10k. Lavry makes a $9k unit, if you're looking at things like that. Before you get there, though, you'd better make damn sure you have out-of-this-world speakers and electronics. Out of this world. As for the technical level thing, how about getting technical and explaining why? Dan Lavry has an excellent white paper on jitter on his site. The Transporter's DAC has exceptionally low jitter. I strongly doubt whether, in a normal to pretty high-end system, you could tell any difference at all. Konig;162011 Wrote: On a technical level you can amend things by SLAVING the transporter via word clock. This is better than a transporter + dac without word clock sync. And i believe there are quite a number of dacs that when clocked, can exceed the performance of TP. for example the emm labs. -- highdudgeon Relax. It's about the music. highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30530 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 plus DAC vs Transporter with or without DAC
LOLI am so glad I asked this question (my first posting!) and so happy to see there is total unanimity G. It reassures me that I was not missing something obvious to all. And that there is still room for subjective experience. Once my head stops spinning from the excellent comments, I'll have to make some decisions. I am not convinced yet that the best SQ wouldn;t be from the Transporter and a decent quality (around $1000-1200) DAC, but I wouldn;t refuse to spend less than that if the SQ was as good. I also hate to give up my older Conrad-Johnson preamp, although its not doing too much... other than adding nostalgia, an additional set of interconnects, and the analogue volume control. (I'm currrently using an older CJ Amp and older B W speakers, but auditioning newer everything). Oh, and while SQ is important, so is domestic acceptability. Thanks, and please keep the excellent advice on this subject coming. -- bluesdoc bluesdoc's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8935 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30530 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 plus DAC vs Transporter with or without DAC
These things are subjective, as you see, despite underlying technical issues that are objective indeed. Here's my take on it: a SB3 is good. From what I understand, modded SB3s are equal or somewhat better. According to Tom, some mods approach the Transporter. Anyway, the Transporter is a lot better than the SB3. The SB with a high performance, studio-grade, jitter-eliminating DAC like the Lavry is a lot better than a SB3. In fact, I would say it is more or less comparable to the Transporter, the difference being one of nuance. The SB3 and Transporter through a Lavry sound the same -- like a Lavry. So, from a purely economic perspective, you could go with a SB3 and, say, a Lavry. However, the Transporter gives you far more functionality (extra inputs, etc.) and far greater aesthetics. These are important to some people. I like having four analog outputs (good for subs and mains), extra inputs, and the real good looks of the things. If these are NOT priorities... bluesdoc;162013 Wrote: LOLI am so glad I asked this question (my first posting!) and so happy to see there is total unanimity G. It reassures me that I was not missing something obvious to all. And that there is still room for subjective experience. Once my head stops spinning from the excellent comments, I'll have to make some decisions. I am not convinced yet that the best SQ wouldn;t be from the Transporter and a decent quality (around $1000-1200) DAC, but I wouldn;t refuse to spend less than that if the SQ was as good. I also hate to give up my older Conrad-Johnson preamp, although its not doing too much... other than adding nostalgia, an additional set of interconnects, and the analogue volume control. (I'm currrently using an older CJ Amp and older B W speakers, but auditioning newer everything). Oh, and while SQ is important, so is domestic acceptability. Thanks, and please keep the excellent advice on this subject coming. -- highdudgeon Relax. It's about the music. highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30530 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 plus DAC vs Transporter with or without DAC
highdudgeon;162016 Wrote: These things are subjective, as you see, despite underlying technical issues that are objective indeed. Here's my take on it: a SB3 is good. From what I understand, modded SB3s are equal or somewhat better. According to Tom, some mods approach the Transporter. Anyway, the Transporter is a lot better than the SB3. The SB with a high performance, studio-grade, jitter-eliminating DAC like the Lavry is a lot better than a SB3. In fact, I would say it is more or less comparable to the Transporter, the difference being one of nuance. The SB3 and Transporter through a Lavry sound the same -- like a Lavry. So, from a purely economic perspective, you could go with a SB3 and, say, a Lavry. However, the Transporter gives you far more functionality (extra inputs, etc.) and far greater aesthetics. These are important to some people. I like having four analog outputs (good for subs and mains), extra inputs, and the real good looks of the things. That, of course, and knowing that I'm getting performance just as good as from any DAC under $10k...in which, if there were a difference, it is not one that I could detect in my room. If these are NOT priorities... Actually, from an economic perspective the best option would be an analog modded SB with the Sonicap Platinum upgrade but without the Bybees ($) and with an upgraded linear power supply but not the top of the line ($$750). I believe that this combination will provide SQ approaching a stock TS or possibly, depending upon system synergy and taste, equal or superior SQ. All this for about $600. Some even prefer the small form factor of the SB to the relatively large size of the rack mounted TP. From what I have been able to deduce, most prefer the modded SB analog SQ to the digitally modded SB sound quality with the dac of their choice. Raja -- rajacat rajacat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4156 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30530 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 plus DAC vs Transporter with or without DAC
As for the aesthetics, that is a personal choice. I personally prefer elegant looking components. As for sound, that is personal, too. I prefer not to void warranties, if possible, and I, along with others, strongly doubt any mod is going to match the output of a lavry, benchmark, or mytek. Those units are reasonably priced, too, for what they are. But that's me. Tom concluded that over two grand worth of mods was not quite up to Transporter status. rajacat;162022 Wrote: Actually, from an economic perspective the best option would be an analog modded SB with the Sonicap Platinum upgrade but without the Bybees ($) and with an upgraded linear power supply but not the top of the line ($$750). I believe that this combination will provide SQ approaching a stock TS or possibly, depending upon system synergy and taste, equal or superior SQ. All this for about $600. Some even prefer the small form factor of the SB to the relatively large size of the rack mounted TP. From what I have been able to deduce, most prefer the modded SB analog SQ to the digitally modded SB/dac of choice SQ. Raja -- highdudgeon Relax. It's about the music. highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30530 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 plus DAC vs Transporter with or without DAC
bluesdoc;161532 Wrote: So what do you think? for best SOUND quality would you think Squeezebox3 plus DAC (eg. Benchmark or equivalent), vs Transporter alone, vs Transporter plus DAC (which might be overkill? or not?) thanks in advance. BluesDoc Personally I far prefer the sound of the Transporter to the SB3 Dac1 combo (which is what I had before buying the Transporter). I was never happy with the Benchmark's cold, uninviting analytical 2d-ness. But of course this is my personal opinion and is probably disagreed with by many. Other dacs will sound different (better/worse depending on the person) to the Transporter. I'm only certain of the answer to one part of your question... you'd be daft to use the Transporter with another Dac. MC -- ModelCitizen Now what? Transporter Naim NAP 250 PMC OB1s. Music catalog: http://modelcitizen.mine.nu/music.txt ModelCitizen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=446 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30530 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 plus DAC vs Transporter with or without DAC
WellI'm not suggesting you're wrong, and I certainly don;t know differently, and please only take this in the best interest of objectivity, but how do you know this for certain? thanks -- bluesdoc bluesdoc's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8935 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30530 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 plus DAC vs Transporter with or without DAC
bluesdoc;161672 Wrote: WellI'm not suggesting you're wrong, and I certainly don;t know differently, and please only take this in the best interest of objectivity, but how do you know this for certain? thanks I agree with MC but I don't mean this to answer for him. The TP has a great DAC . I haven't heard better. i've compared it to the Lavry DAC (which many like better than the Benchmark). I like the TP better than the Lavry. I think the 2 are so close it may just be a matter of opinion. IMO it would be a waste of money to use the TP to feed an external DAC since I don't think there is a DAC out there that is better. If you want to use an external DAC you can save a lot by using it with an SB If you want a TP for the looks, I would suggest you live with it a month, then compare it to other DACs. I would be surprised if you still wanted a stand alone DAC. Let us know what you decide and what you hear in your comparisons, should be interesting and (hopefully) fun -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30530 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
