Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] I need a new turntable. Suggestions.
slartibartfast wrote: > I bought my Planar 3 in the late eighties to replace a Trio KD1033B and > yes I also had the ADC headshell for the Trio and a replacement mat. > Years later after reading a few threads about the Planar 3 running > slightly fast I measured the speed of mine by counting revolutions > against a stopwatch and sure enough it was slightly off. I found some > very thin adhesive tape and applied it to the sub platter one layer at a > time until the speed was spot on then convinced myself I could hear the > difference [emoji3]. > Unfortunately now that my Touch and amplifier are sitting on the TV > stand I no longer have space for the turntable and it is in its box in > the loft and all my vinyl is under the bed [emoji20] > > Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk My Trio KD1033B also with ADC and replacement mat is still in play in my office and is the main deck I use for digitising. The Onkyo is in the Living Room. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk PI3 PCP/LMS STORAGE QNAP TS419P (NFS) *Living Room* - Joggler & SB3 -> Onkyo TS606 -> Celestion F20s *Office* - Pi3+Sreen -> Sony TAFE320 -> Celestion F10s / Pi2+DAC & SB3 -> Onkyo CRN755 -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes *Dining Room* -> SB Boom *Kitchen* -> UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* - Pi2+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV)* - SB Touch ->Sherwood AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s Everything controlled by iPeng d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104038 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] I need a new turntable. Suggestions.
cliveb wrote: > To fit under a typical bed, the LPs are going to have to be laid flat. > This is NOT A GOOD IDEA - storing LPs flat (and piled up on top of one > another) tends to make them warp. > LP records should be stored vertically, ideally with a small amount of > side pressure.Maybe but better there than in the loft with the temperature fluctuations. Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104038 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] I need a new turntable. Suggestions.
slartibartfast wrote: > ... and all my vinyl is under the bed To fit under a typical bed, the LPs are going to have to be laid flat. This is NOT A GOOD IDEA - storing LPs flat (and piled up on top of one another) tends to make them warp. LP records should be stored vertically, ideally with a small amount of side pressure. Transporter -> ATC SCM100A cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104038 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] I need a new turntable. Suggestions.
Grumpy Bob wrote: > Interesting - I've never owned many turntables in my life, but I don't > recall ever feeling I've needed a detachable headshell - probably > because I don't change cartridge terribly frequently. My venerable > Planar 3 (something like 22-24 years old now) is still going strong, > though maybe it's getting a bit like Trigger's broom, with replacement > of a few parts recently, with the most significant mod being one of the > new 24V motors. > > At the moment, I'm using a Rega Fono Mini A2D as a phono stage and as an > ADC for digitising vinyl. It has a USB port on the front plate, which is > convenient. > > I've been hanging out over at the VinylEngine forums lately. > > RobertI bought my Planar 3 in the late eighties to replace a Trio KD1033B and yes I also had the ADC headshell for the Trio and a replacement mat. Years later after reading a few threads about the Planar 3 running slightly fast I measured the speed of mine by counting revolutions against a stopwatch and sure enough it was slightly off. I found some very thin adhesive tape and applied it to the sub platter one layer at a time until the speed was spot on then convinced myself I could hear the difference [emoji3]. Unfortunately now that my Touch and amplifier are sitting on the TV stand I no longer have space for the turntable and it is in its box in the loft and all my vinyl is under the bed [emoji20] Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104038 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] I need a new turntable. Suggestions.
d6jg wrote: > > I pondered an RP1 and RP2 and sone of the Project range. A mate has > recently bought an RP1 so I gave his a good look at. In the end the > cartridge options of a detachable headshell took over Interesting - I've never owned many turntables in my life, but I don't recall ever feeling I've needed a detachable headshell - probably because I don't change cartridge terribly frequently. My venerable Planar 3 (something like 22-24 years old now) is still going strong, though maybe it's getting a bit like Trigger's broom, with replacement of a few parts recently, with the most significant mod being one of the new 24V motors. At the moment, I'm using a Rega Fono Mini A2D as a phono stage and as an ADC for digitising vinyl. It has a USB port on the front plate, which is convenient. I've been hanging out over at the VinylEngine forums lately. Robert *Home: *Raspberry Pi 3/piCoreplayer/LMS7.9 with files on QNAP TS-239 Touch > DacMagic 100 > Naim Audio Nait 3 > Mission 752 (plus Rega Planar 3 and Naim CD3) PiCorePlayer(Pi2) with touchscreen and IQAudIO DAC+>Sennheisers 2 x Squeezebox Radios, 1 X Squeezebox 3 (retired) *Office:* LMS7.9 running on WiFi MyPassport drive > piCorePlayer(PiB)/HiFiBerryDAC > Amptastic Amplifier SqueezePad, iPeng as controllers last.fm/user/GrumpyBob Grumpy Bob's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41857 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104038 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] I need a new turntable. Suggestions.
Just before Christmas I took the plunge and got rid of my Living Room Sherwood TT and replaced it with an Onkyo CP1050 (back to that in a minute). In the meantime I had my Trio KD1033B serviced and at the same time got the Ortofon 2M Red mounted in my spare ADC Headshell. I put the Trio into my home office and started ripping (?) my vinyl to Flac using that instead of the Living Room Sherwood. I use Behringer ADC/DACs in both locations. The Trio / 2M Red combo produced far better results that the Sherwood so much so that it encouraged me to lose the Sherwood in the Living Room. I pondered an RP1 and RP2 and sone of the Project range. A mate has recently bought an RP1 so I gave his a good look at. In the end the cartridge options of a detachable headshell took over and having seen an Onkyo in a sale at less than £300 I bought it. Even with the stock AT something cartridge its bloody good. I cant hear a wow or flutter and being a direct drive its operation is silent. Its right up there with the Trio. I sold the Sherwood for a few bob to someone who said they knew what they were doing but later contacted me to say it was a bit quiet plugged into his hifi (no preamp). I strongly recommend the Onkyo CP1050. Build quality is better than a low end Rega or Project by some distance. After 2 months I havent yet felt any need to consider upgrading the cartridge. Its that good. PI3 PCP/LMS STORAGE QNAP TS419P (NFS) *Living Room* - Joggler & SB3 -> Onkyo TS606 -> Celestion F20s *Office* - Pi3+Sreen -> Sony TAFE320 -> Celestion F10s / Pi2+DAC & SB3 -> Onkyo CRN755 -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes *Dining Room* -> SB Boom *Kitchen* -> UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* - Pi2+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV)* - SB Touch ->Sherwood AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s Everything controlled by iPeng d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104038 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] I need a new turntable. Suggestions.
atrocity wrote: I've noticed noise at the analog output even on a relatively new computer. I solved that with a cheap USB to S/PDIF device, though it resamples everything to 48k. Ancient Sony PS-X75 with a brand new Audio-Technica AT440MLa. :) Maybe I should take a look at external USB stuff again just for fun. Thanks to everyone for the responses! If you have a tape loop on your amp the Behringer UCA202 is a cheap way of trying it out - I'd also recommend VinylStudio which has a trial mode (5 albums). When you plug the Behringer into the PC just make sure that the software sets it up in 2 channel mode correctly. When I first connected it set itself up as 1 channel i.e mono and I didn't immediately notice. http://www.amazon.co.uk/Behringer-UCA202-U-Control-low-latency-Interface/dp/B000KW2YEI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8qid=1438187857sr=8-1keywords=behringer+uca202 http://alpinesoft.co.uk/ - VinylStudio http://alpinesoft.co.uk/VinylStudio/helpfile_contents.aspx - Online Manual Also loads of stuff in a fairly active Tech Support Forum *Vortexbox LMS 7.8 music on QNAP TS419p via NFS* - iThingys/iPeng/Tablets *Living Room* - SB3 - Onkyo TS606 connected Digitally - Celestion Ditton F20s - and connected Analogue for Zone 2 - Sony TA FE 320 - Sennheiser RS 130 *Office* - SB3 - Sony TA FE320 - Wharfedale Modus Cubes *Dining Room* - SB Boom *Kitchen* - UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* - SB Touch - Topping TP21 - AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV)* - Amazon Fire TV (SB Player) - Topping TP20 - Wharfedale Modus Cubes d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104038 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] I need a new turntable. Suggestions.
Julf wrote: It is always easy to do dramatic increase from almost nothing to very little :) In November 2014, it was reported that over one million vinyl records had been sold in the UK since the beginning of the year. Sales had not reached this level since 1996. The British Phonographic Industry (BPI) predicted that Christmas sales would bring the total for the year to around 1.2 million. However, vinyl sales were still a very small proportion of total music sales. Pink Floyds The Endless River became the fastest-selling UK vinyl release of 2014 - and the fastest-selling since 1997 - despite selling only 6,000 copies. 18428 Another interesting graph... Volume and value in sales based on RIAA US numbers (from 'this page' (http://blog.thecurrent.org/2014/02/40-years-of-album-sales-data-in-one-handy-chart/)): 18432 Fastest selling since 1997 isn't bad but we're talking about LP numbers just around the peak of CD sales which would have been around 2000 in terms of unit sales. I think what could be interesting to see is something like a zoomed in graph of unit vs. sales$$$ between the different formats in the last 10 years. Unit cost for an LP is substantially higher than the same CD and digtal downloads. Despite small sales numbers, the amount of money actually made from the LP could actually be gaining substantially since the 2012 graph, outstripping the number of units sold; hence incentive to push LP sales and release of special remaster / box sets. Although of course we don't know what the manufacturing cost looks like and whether the actual margin is getting better due to inflation. Ultimate, it is the number sold that's best indicator of popularity since they cannot be replicated like digital. But I think the spread between that and $$$ could be an interesting indicator of hype incentive for companies. Curious, do many of you guys buy much NEW vinyl these days? (Here's the inflation adjusted $$$ numbers for completeness - I must say the sales numbers for cassette was pretty good even up to 2000!) 18431 +---+ |Filename: units-vs-dollars-riaa-1260x632.jpg | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=18432| +---+ Archimago's Musings: (archimago.blogspot.com) A 'more objective' audiophile blog. Archimago's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2207 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104038 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] I need a new turntable. Suggestions.
atrocity wrote: I've noticed noise at the analog output even on a relatively new computer. I solved that with a cheap USB to S/PDIF device, though it resamples everything to 48k. Ancient Sony PS-X75 with a brand new Audio-Technica AT440MLa. :) Maybe I should take a look at external USB stuff again just for fun. Thanks to everyone for the responses! The Sony PS-X series with Biotracer arms are nice machines! I was looking for one locally last year but couldn't find any in good shape :(. Yes, check out a USB ADC. Noise level extremely low these days although your Roland R-05 I assume is already excellent. Archimago's Musings: (archimago.blogspot.com) A 'more objective' audiophile blog. Archimago's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2207 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104038 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] I need a new turntable. Suggestions.
Archimago wrote: The Sony PS-X series with Biotracer arms are nice machines! I was looking for one locally last year but couldn't find any in good shape :(. I was a KID when I bought that thing...it's got to be 35 years ago now. It spent significant time in the shop after a few years but has been wonderful since (fingers crossed). I worry that no one will be able to work on it when the inevitable need eventually arises. I've also got a small, cheap linear tracking Technics SL-Q6 that sounds surprisingly good. I'd love to have a PS-X800, but they seem to go for $1,000 or more and would have the same service issues. Archimago wrote: Yes, check out a USB ADC if you can / curious. Noise level extremely low these days although your Roland R-05 I assume is already excellent. Also the Roland's price is great for a 24/96 ADC already! It probably is the price that makes me wonder if I can do better. I'm falling victim to the It cost less than my car, it can't possibly be any good! syndrome. :) One thing I'm really having shoved in my face lately is how frustrating analog could be. I just transferred a nice 7-1/2 IPS reel from near the end of the pre-recorded days when they really sounded good. The underlying sound quality is very nice indeed...but apparently something went wrong during the duplication and it's full of obvious wow. And now I've come to realize that my cassette deck is apparently running slow...or, more accurately, is now running slower than it used to. I don't know if it's wrong now or was wrong prior to its last trip to the shop...for all I know, the shop corrected a long-running problem, but now I can't play back decades of tapes accurately. I've experimented with digital speed correction and found it OK on what was a pretty bad recording to begin with, I don't know if it will still sound good on something more demanding. atrocity's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16009 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104038 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] I need a new turntable. Suggestions.
atrocity wrote: I've noticed noise at the analog output even on a relatively new computer. I solved that with a cheap USB to S/PDIF device, though it resamples everything to 48k. Ancient Sony PS-X75 with a brand new Audio-Technica AT440MLa. :) Maybe I should take a look at external USB stuff again just for fun. Thanks to everyone for the responses! Just re-read your post and noted your comment about 3 TTs in which case the Behringer UFO202 may be more suitable. Essentially a DAC that includes a phono stage. Still cheap enough to give it a try before going more upmarket. *Vortexbox LMS 7.8 music on QNAP TS419p via NFS* - iThingys/iPeng/Tablets *Living Room* - SB3 - Onkyo TS606 connected Digitally - Celestion Ditton F20s - and connected Analogue for Zone 2 - Sony TA FE 320 - Sennheiser RS 130 *Office* - SB3 - Sony TA FE320 - Wharfedale Modus Cubes *Dining Room* - SB Boom *Kitchen* - UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* - SB Touch - Topping TP21 - AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV)* - Amazon Fire TV (SB Player) - Topping TP20 - Wharfedale Modus Cubes d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104038 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] I need a new turntable. Suggestions.
atrocity wrote: ... It probably is the price that makes me wonder if I can do better. I'm falling victim to the It cost less than my car, it can't possibly be any good! syndrome. :) One thing I'm really having shoved in my face lately is how frustrating analog could be. I just transferred a nice 7-1/2 IPS reel from near the end of the pre-recorded days when they really sounded good. The underlying sound quality is very nice indeed...but apparently something went wrong during the duplication and it's full of obvious wow. And now I've come to realize that my cassette deck is apparently running slow...or, more accurately, is now running slower than it used to. I don't know if it's wrong now or was wrong prior to its last trip to the shop...for all I know, the shop corrected a long-running problem, but now I can't play back decades of tapes accurately. I've experimented with digital speed correction and found it OK on what was a pretty bad recording to begin with, I don't know if it will still sound good on something more demanding. Don't worry about the price man :). As you know, price and accuracy are not synonymous! I had a look at the R-05 and certainly the promotional material sounds great even with the microphones. Line in I suspect must be excellent especially if you're dealing with the sonic limitations of LP and tape sources... Battery operated to boot. Didn't see any measurements however. Ahhh, the joys and pains of being an analogue man! I'm certainly glad to be rid of all types of tape media - audio and video... Archimago's Musings: (archimago.blogspot.com) A 'more objective' audiophile blog. Archimago's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2207 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104038 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] I need a new turntable. Suggestions.
arnyk wrote: The evidence I see suggests that as my generation dies off, so will vinyl. This time for real. But fortunately there will be the hipster 8-track/c-cassette revival (albeit short-lived, as all hipster trends are, by definition). :) To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104038 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] I need a new turntable. Suggestions.
Julf wrote: I still have a 'Numark iDJ2' (http://www.numark.com/product/idj2) (that I got because I know the people who designed it), but I very rarely use it - for the occasional DJ gig I do, it is now completely laptop-based. And that is how the market seems to have gone. The evidence I see suggests that as my generation dies off, so will vinyl. This time for real. BTW my vinyl rig is based on a Rega TT, a number of SS tubed legacy preamps, and a cartridge collection mostly Shure and Grado. It has been in mothballs for years - nobody seems to want transcriptions any more. arnyk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=64365 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104038 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] I need a new turntable. Suggestions.
FYI, to record vinyl I use my TC Electronic Konnekt interface. It came bundled with an Intro version of Ableton. And Ableton is fantastic for recording and editing. My konnekt is no longer in production but it has been replaced with the Impact Twin. http://www.tcelectronic.com/impact-twin/ I can highly recommend this setup. 'M-DAC' (http://www.audiolab.co.uk/M-DAC%20Series.aspx?lang=En) - 'Focal MP1200' (http://www.mp1200.co.nf/) - 'Focal Electra 1028 Be' (http://www.focal.com/en/electra-1000-be-2/209-electra-1028-be-3544053695099.html) 1 x SB3, 1 x SB Boom, 1 x SB Radio and 2 x SB Touch - all wireless 1 x Wandboard Dual behind the bedroom ceiling 1 x Wandboard Dual for 'msqueeze' (http://www.msqueeze.co.nf/index.html) project 1 x Wandboard Quad (will eventually become my LMS server) ReadyNAS NVX running LMS 7.8.1. - 1402661598 iPeng 7 on iPhone. SqueezePad iPeng 7 on iPad. http://www.last.fm/user/phibon Pascal Hibon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7969 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104038 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] I need a new turntable. Suggestions.
Pascal Hibon wrote: FYI, to record vinyl I use my TC Electronic Konnekt interface. It came bundled with an Intro version of Ableton. And Ableton is fantastic for recording and editing. My konnekt is no longer in production but it has been replaced with the Impact Twin. http://www.tcelectronic.com/impact-twin/ I can highly recommend this setup. I am thinking you are a Mac person - that's a firewire interface. I am mainly PC so its USB for me. I will have a look at Abletron. I use one of these in the Living Room hooked into the Tape Loop of my Amp - http://www.amazon.co.uk/Behringer-UCA202-U-Control-low-latency-Interface/dp/B000KW2YEI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8qid=1438162352sr=8-1keywords=behringer+uca222 I also use one of these in my Office which as you can see has full mixing facilities (which I don't really use) and gives me the ability to switch from recording to playback with a swipe of the mix slider which is great when you get to the split tracks stage - http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/VMX200USB.aspx - its hooked in to my Trio KD1033B running whatever cartridge at the time and also into my dual screen work PC (so I can work, listen and digitise at the same time). The Trio really is a great deck. I wish I had another to go into the Living Room. On the TT front. I have narrowed my choices down to an Onkyo CP1050 - functionally it fits the bill exactly but I am unsure sonically - or to forget the S tone arm detachable headshell idea and go for a Project Debut or Rega RP1. I have found ex-display SL1210's at about £600 but that's still over budget. Note for anyone considering an Ortofon 2M Plug Play. Don't unless you are sure your TT will take it. It is very heavy - 27g I think - and won't work properly on either of my TTs. *Vortexbox LMS 7.8 music on QNAP TS419p via NFS* - iThingys/iPeng/Tablets *Living Room* - SB3 - Onkyo TS606 connected Digitally - Celestion Ditton F20s - and connected Analogue for Zone 2 - Sony TA FE 320 - Sennheiser RS 130 *Office* - SB3 - Sony TA FE320 - Wharfedale Modus Cubes *Dining Room* - SB Boom *Kitchen* - UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* - SB Touch - Topping TP21 - AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV)* - Amazon Fire TV (SB Player) - Topping TP20 - Wharfedale Modus Cubes d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104038 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] I need a new turntable. Suggestions.
arnyk wrote: And that is how the market seems to have gone. The evidence I see suggests that as my generation dies off, so will vinyl. This time for real. BTW my vinyl rig is based on a Rega TT, a number of SS tubed legacy preamps, and a cartridge collection mostly Shure and Grado. It has been in mothballs for years - nobody seems to want transcriptions any more. I read somewhere that vinyl sales in 2014 had increased dramatically. *Vortexbox LMS 7.8 music on QNAP TS419p via NFS* - iThingys/iPeng/Tablets *Living Room* - SB3 - Onkyo TS606 connected Digitally - Celestion Ditton F20s - and connected Analogue for Zone 2 - Sony TA FE 320 - Sennheiser RS 130 *Office* - SB3 - Sony TA FE320 - Wharfedale Modus Cubes *Dining Room* - SB Boom *Kitchen* - UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* - SB Touch - Topping TP21 - AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV)* - Amazon Fire TV (SB Player) - Topping TP20 - Wharfedale Modus Cubes d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104038 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] I need a new turntable. Suggestions.
d6jg wrote: I read somewhere that vinyl sales in 2014 had increased dramatically. It is always easy to do dramatic increase from almost nothing to very little :) In November 2014, it was reported that over one million vinyl records had been sold in the UK since the beginning of the year. Sales had not reached this level since 1996. The British Phonographic Industry (BPI) predicted that Christmas sales would bring the total for the year to around 1.2 million. However, vinyl sales were still a very small proportion of total music sales. Pink Floyds The Endless River became the fastest-selling UK vinyl release of 2014 - and the fastest-selling since 1997 - despite selling only 6,000 copies. 18428 +---+ |Filename: Screen-Shot-2013-05-02-at-23.13.37-500x255.png | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=18428| +---+ To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104038 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] I need a new turntable. Suggestions.
Pascal Hibon wrote: I can only say that my vinyl rips (recorded with my TC interface and Ableton) sound exactly the same as the vinyl. That is, as long as I didn't run it through 'clickrepair' (http://www.clickrepair.net/), which I only use when the record has a lot of pops and clicks. But I have no drop outs or anything. Everything is computer based these days. Ableton, Pro Tools, and many other software based solutions are very popular and are taking over the hardware mixers and recorders. I should have been clear that I really just use the Roland for the initial capture. The more or less cassette deck like interface and ease of connecting to any arbitrary component makes it easy to use. But I digitize vinyl (three turntables including one just for 78s), cassettes and reels, so it's much easier for me to move the little recorder around than the playback components. Once the initial capture has been made, I immediately copy the WAV to the computer to make it pretty. I'm also a fan of ClickRepair, though I've learned the hard way that you have to listen very closely to what it's doing. Sometimes it's so perfect it's almost like black magic, other times it wipes out as much useful signal as noise. I can't tell the difference between my captures and the records either (well, thanks to cleanup, sometimes the captures are better!) but I was curious if anyone with better ears than mine has any complaints with the standalone devices. atrocity's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16009 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104038 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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d6jg wrote: I must have started in about 2009. The initial results were indeed iffy. Largely due to the PCs onboard soundcard. When I moved to USB soundcard the results improved massively. I've noticed noise at the analog output even on a relatively new computer. I solved that with a cheap USB to S/PDIF device, though it resamples everything to 48k. d6jg wrote: That said a lot has to do with TT setup and the condition of cartridge, styli and the records themselves. Ancient Sony PS-X75 with a brand new Audio-Technica AT440MLa. :) Maybe I should take a look at external USB stuff again just for fun. Thanks to everyone for the responses! atrocity's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16009 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104038 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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atrocity wrote: I'm curious if anyone has compared recordings made via their computers with something along the lines of a Roland R-05. My first attempts at digitizing were done in 1998 using a computer and were disastrous...too many dropped samples. I know that things have improved dramatically since then, but I've never tried again, finding it easier first to use a standalone CD recorder and later the Zoom H2 and now Roland R-05. I've heard lots of complaints about computers generating noise, yet it seems like the computer route is how the serious people do their digitizing. My guess is that back in 1998 you were probably using some sort of old Soundblaster or perhaps an Ensoniq, probably on an ISA bus. Soundcards of that era were indeed prone to picking up weird noises from the activities of other subsystems in the PC - things like the video card, even the mouse. What made it even more annoying was that the noises were not constant - you'd often get little chirrups coming and going. (I started digitizing vinyl back in 1994, and used an external A/D converter going through a Zefiro ZA1 SPDIF I/O card specifically to avoid those kind of noise problems). But in the last 15 or so years, most PCI bus soundcards have been pretty immune to noise pickup. I use an M-Audio AP2496 and it doesn't pick up any audible noise at all. The same is true of all the other well-respected soundcards. That said, if I was in need of a new soundcard, I'd almost certainly go for an external USB device, simply because they are more flexible and can be moved easily from PC to PC. Transporter - ATC SCM100A cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104038 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] I need a new turntable. Suggestions.
cliveb wrote: My guess is that back in 1998 you were probably using some sort of old Soundblaster or perhaps an Ensoniq, probably on an ISA bus. Soundcards of that era were indeed prone to picking up weird noises from the activities of other subsystems in the PC - things like the video card, even the mouse. What made it even more annoying was that the noises were not constant - you'd often get little chirrups coming and going. (I started digitizing vinyl back in 1994, and used an external A/D converter going through a Zefiro ZA1 SPDIF I/O card specifically to avoid those kind of noise problems). But in the last 15 or so years, most PCI bus soundcards have been pretty immune to noise pickup. I use an M-Audio AP2496 and it doesn't pick up any audible noise at all. The same is true of all the other well-respected soundcards. That said, if I was in need of a new soundcard, I'd almost certainly go for an external USB device, simply because they are more flexible and can be moved easily from PC to PC. I must have started in about 2009. The initial results were indeed iffy. Largely due to the PCs onboard soundcard. When I moved to USB soundcard the results improved massively. That said a lot has to do with TT setup and the condition of cartridge, styli and the records themselves. All of the software I have ever used has been designed for purpose and follows the same steps as follows: 1) Record to WAV 2) Download album art metadata 3) Split tracks 4) Apply click correction etc 5) Burn to Audio CD (optional) 6) Write files - your choice of formats I have used Spin It Again but currently use VinylStudio due to its better (IMHO) correction algorythmns. VinylStudio gets very good write ups. *Vortexbox LMS 7.8 music on QNAP TS419p via NFS* - iThingys/iPeng/Tablets *Living Room* - SB3 - Onkyo TS606 connected Digitally - Celestion Ditton F20s - and connected Analogue for Zone 2 - Sony TA FE 320 - Sennheiser RS 130 *Office* - SB3 - Sony TA FE320 - Wharfedale Modus Cubes *Dining Room* - SB Boom *Kitchen* - UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* - SB Touch - Topping TP21 - AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV)* - Amazon Fire TV (SB Player) - Topping TP20 - Wharfedale Modus Cubes d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104038 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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atrocity wrote: I'm curious if anyone has compared recordings made via their computers with something along the lines of a Roland R-05. I can only say that my vinyl rips (recorded with my TC interface and Ableton) sound exactly the same as the vinyl. That is, as long as I didn't run it through 'clickrepair' (http://www.clickrepair.net/), which I only use when the record has a lot of pops and clicks. But I have no drop outs or anything. Everything is computer based these days. Ableton, Pro Tools, and many other software based solutions are very popular and are taking over the hardware mixers and recorders. 'M-DAC' (http://www.audiolab.co.uk/M-DAC%20Series.aspx?lang=En) - 'Focal MP1200' (http://www.mp1200.co.nf/) - 'Focal Electra 1028 Be' (http://www.focal.com/en/electra-1000-be-2/209-electra-1028-be-3544053695099.html) 1 x SB3, 1 x SB Boom, 1 x SB Radio and 2 x SB Touch - all wireless 1 x Wandboard Dual behind the bedroom ceiling 1 x Wandboard Dual for 'msqueeze' (http://www.msqueeze.co.nf/index.html) project 1 x Wandboard Quad (will eventually become my LMS server) ReadyNAS NVX running LMS 7.8.1. - 1402661598 iPeng 7 on iPhone. SqueezePad iPeng 7 on iPad. http://www.last.fm/user/phibon Pascal Hibon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7969 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104038 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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d6jg wrote: I am thinking you are a Mac person - that's a firewire interface. I am mainly PC so its USB for me. I will have a look at Abletron. I use one of these in the Living Room hooked into the Tape Loop of my Amp - http://www.amazon.co.uk/Behringer-UCA202-U-Control-low-latency-Interface/dp/B000KW2YEI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8qid=1438162352sr=8-1keywords=behringer+uca222 I'm also a PC user. It is true that many laptops today come without firewire and that is an issue for devices such as the TC. Currently I use my old laptop, which has a firewire port, dedicated for the TC interface and Ableton. I only mentioned the TC because it is high quality hardware and it comes bundled with Ableton. The 'Konnekt Live' (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSg1Qku9YDc), which is the model I have, also has an RIAA amplifier option. But you can use your existing USB interface with Ableton too. The Intro version is not that expensive (I believe it's about 99 Euro of so). 'M-DAC' (http://www.audiolab.co.uk/M-DAC%20Series.aspx?lang=En) - 'Focal MP1200' (http://www.mp1200.co.nf/) - 'Focal Electra 1028 Be' (http://www.focal.com/en/electra-1000-be-2/209-electra-1028-be-3544053695099.html) 1 x SB3, 1 x SB Boom, 1 x SB Radio and 2 x SB Touch - all wireless 1 x Wandboard Dual behind the bedroom ceiling 1 x Wandboard Dual for 'msqueeze' (http://www.msqueeze.co.nf/index.html) project 1 x Wandboard Quad (will eventually become my LMS server) ReadyNAS NVX running LMS 7.8.1. - 1402661598 iPeng 7 on iPhone. SqueezePad iPeng 7 on iPad. http://www.last.fm/user/phibon Pascal Hibon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7969 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104038 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] I need a new turntable. Suggestions.
I'm curious if anyone has compared recordings made via their computers with something along the lines of a Roland R-05. My first attempts at digitizing were done in 1998 using a computer and were disastrous...too many dropped samples. I know that things have improved dramatically since then, but I've never tried again, finding it easier first to use a standalone CD recorder and later the Zoom H2 and now Roland R-05. I've heard lots of complaints about computers generating noise, yet it seems like the computer route is how the serious people do their digitizing. I've found the little standalone recorders very easy to use and, to my ears, they sound good. I capture and post-process at 24/96, then use SoX to downsample the finalized versions to 16/44.1. I also keep the raw files archived to Blu-ray in case I need to go back and fix something (which has definitely happened). Am I going to wake up some day and suddenly hate all my captures when I finally hear whatever sonic disaster I've apparently been missing all this time? atrocity's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16009 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104038 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] I need a new turntable. Suggestions.
d6jg wrote: Main use is transfer to FLAC. I have two rigs to do this - one in the Living Room (the Sherwood that is to be replaced), and one in my Office (the Trio) - both feed Behringer USB DAC's and I digitise using VinylStudio. OK, since you're doing needle drops it certainly makes sense to have the ability to easily change cartridges to find the best match. That said, what's more important is having the ability to change stylus profiles. Assuming these are used LPs you're transferring, they will have groove degradation brought about by previous playing. Finding a stylus profile that tracks an undamaged section of groove wall can be one of the most useful starting points when digitizing vinyl. So if you are going to have a bunch of cartridges, see if you can get different stylus types in them, ie. spherical (sometimes called conical), elliptical, hyper-elliptical (sometimes called fine-line). d6jg wrote: I am happy to stick with 16bit/44.1Khz 16/44.1 is certainly more than adequate to capture the signal that comes off any vinyl record. (True, there is sometimes some kind of output above 20kHz, but it's nearly all noise and distortion). d6jg wrote: but recently decided to switch from 320Kbps VBR0 Mp3 to FLAC so I am re-doing the whole process. I was about 70% through my vinyl with the Mp3 conversion. That bothers me. It implies that you are encoding to MP3 or FLAC in real time as you digitize the LP. This is not really a sensible option. Even if you're not interested in restoration as such, you will want to be able to do at least cursory editing of the recording, eg. trimming off unwanted lead-in/lead-out, some kind of normalisation, etc. If you're doing that from MP3 in an audio editor, you'll be going through a decode/encode process each time you load and save the file,which you really want to avoid. If it's FLAC, the decode/encode step is benign. But there may be some useful tools out there that only work on uncompressed WAV files, so it makes sense to do everything in WAV format until you're ready to do a final encoding to FLAC. Having said all the above, 320kbps MP3 is almost always audibly transparent, so if you've already done a ton of transfers, think hard before going to all the trouble of re-doing them. Transporter - ATC SCM100A cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104038 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] I need a new turntable. Suggestions.
cliveb wrote: OK, since you're doing needle drops it certainly makes sense to have the ability to easily change cartridges to find the best match. That said, what's more important is having the ability to change stylus profiles. Assuming these are used LPs you're transferring, they will have groove degradation brought about by previous playing. Finding a stylus profile that tracks an undamaged section of groove wall can be one of the most useful starting points when digitizing vinyl. So if you are going to have a bunch of cartridges, see if you can get different stylus types in them, ie. spherical (sometimes called conical), elliptical, hyper-elliptical (sometimes called fine-line). 16/44.1 is certainly more than adequate to capture the signal that comes off any vinyl record. (True, there is sometimes some kind of output above 20kHz, but it's nearly all noise and distortion). That bothers me. It implies that you are encoding to MP3 or FLAC in real time as you digitize the LP. This is not really a sensible option. Even if you're not interested in restoration as such, you will want to be able to do at least cursory editing of the recording, eg. trimming off unwanted lead-in/lead-out, some kind of normalisation, etc. If you're doing that from MP3 in an audio editor, you'll be going through a decode/encode process each time you load and save the file,which you really want to avoid. If it's FLAC, the decode/encode step is benign. But there may be some useful tools out there that only work on uncompressed WAV files, so it makes sense to do everything in WAV format until you're ready to do a final encoding to FLAC. Having said all the above, 320kbps MP3 is almost always audibly transparent, so if you've already done a ton of transfers, think hard before going to all the trouble of re-doing them. VinylStudio records in WAV. From that you apply track splits and noise correction and then and only then do you create MP3 or FLAC. The pure WAV files can be retained. I started out years ago using SpinItAgain to create MP3 but haven't got all the background WAVs as I have changed PCs two or three times as well as moving from Phono to 3.5mm jack into sound card to USB DACs. I shall not be replacing good MP3s only those from the very early days that need it. I can hear the difference between MP3 and FLAC since Xmas when SWMBO bought me a pair of BW P7s. They are awesome for the price! *Vortexbox LMS 7.8 music on QNAP TS419p via NFS* - iThingys/iPeng/Tablets *Living Room* - SB3 - Onkyo TS606 connected Digitally - Celestion Ditton F20s - and connected Analogue for Zone 2 - Sony TA FE 320 - Sennheiser RS 130 *Office* - SB3 - Sony TA FE320 - Wharfedale Modus Cubes *Dining Room* - SB Boom *Kitchen* - UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* - SB Touch - Topping TP21 - AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV)* - Amazon Fire TV (SB Player) - Topping TP20 - Wharfedale Modus Cubes d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104038 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] I need a new turntable. Suggestions.
cliveb wrote: The fact you have a selection of cartridges suggests to me that perhaps your planned use of the turntable may be a little outside the mainstream. What exactly is your goal here? Do you plan on selecting the best matched cartridge for each of your LPs? That seems a little over the top, unless your intention is to do needledrops (ie. digital transfer of LPs). If that is the case, then being able to easily switch cartridges to find the best match makes sense. And if that is indeed what you are planning, then you might also want a pickup arm that allows you to adjust VTA easily, and perhaps also fine pitch control. Main use is transfer to FLAC. I have two rigs to do this - one in the Living Room (the Sherwood that is to be replaced), and one in my Office (the Trio) - both feed Behringer USB DAC's and I digitise using VinylStudio. My favourite cartridge by some way is the VMS20E but replacement styli are now £150 a pop in Europe so I generally save that for special albums. I bought the 2M Red Plug Play only to discover that the combined weight of the cartridge and headshell is just too much for either deck so I going to get it remounted into an empty ADC headshell. I am happy to stick with 16bit/44.1Khz but recently decided to switch from 320Kbps VBR0 Mp3 to FLAC so I am re-doing the whole process. I was about 70% through my vinyl with the Mp3 conversion. In truth I do most of the digitising in the Office so the Sherwood in the Living Room isn't that important but it bugs me that it is a cheap (belt drive) Technics clone. The arm is OK though but it still won't happily take the 2M Red Plug Play. I believe the Technics 1200/1210 does have VTA ? If the Onkyo mentioned had better reviews I'd go there. *Vortexbox LMS 7.8 music on QNAP TS419p via NFS* - iThingys/iPeng/Tablets *Living Room* - SB3 - Onkyo TS606 connected Digitally - Celestion Ditton F20s - and connected Analogue for Zone 2 - Sony TA FE 320 - Sennheiser RS 130 *Office* - SB3 - Sony TA FE320 - Wharfedale Modus Cubes *Dining Room* - SB Boom *Kitchen* - UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* - SB Touch - Topping TP21 - AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV)* - Amazon Fire TV (SB Player) - Topping TP20 - Wharfedale Modus Cubes d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104038 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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d6jg wrote: The head shells contain - an Ortofon VMS20E (my favourite but I struggle to get new styli), an Ortofon 2m Red, a Stanton 500E, an unknown cartridge that came with the Sherwood and an empty headshell that I am thinking of installing an AT95 into. The fact you have a selection of cartridges suggests to me that perhaps your planned use of the turntable may be a little outside the mainstream. What exactly is your goal here? Do you plan on selecting the best matched cartridge for each of your LPs? That seems a little over the top, unless your intention is to do needledrops (ie. digital transfer of LPs). If that is the case, then being able to easily switch cartridges to find the best match makes sense. And if that is indeed what you are planning, then you might also want a pickup arm that allows you to adjust VTA easily, and perhaps also fine pitch control. Transporter - ATC SCM100A cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104038 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] I need a new turntable. Suggestions.
A used Technics is a fine solution but if you want something new the Audio-Technica 120/240/1240 and Stanton 92/150 meet your requirements. http://www.needledoctor.com/Online-Store/Stanton-Turntables http://www.needledoctor.com/Online-Store/Audio-Technica-Turntables Apesbrain's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=738 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104038 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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Apesbrain wrote: A used Technics is a fine solution but if you want something new the Audio-Technica 120/240/1240 and Stanton 92/150 meet your requirements. http://www.needledoctor.com/Online-Store/Stanton-Turntables http://www.needledoctor.com/Online-Store/Audio-Technica-Turntables They do indeed. Except that neither Stanton comes with a proper lid - the 92 comes with a cloth cover (no proper lid available that I can see) but the 150 requires a separately purchased lid. The latter is also rather over budget at £500 plus the lid. The AT120 is a possibility but its no Technics 1200/1210 *Vortexbox LMS 7.8 music on QNAP TS419p via NFS* - iThingys/iPeng/Tablets *Living Room* - SB3 - Onkyo TS606 connected Digitally - Celestion Ditton F20s - and connected Analogue for Zone 2 - Sony TA FE 320 - Sennheiser RS 130 *Office* - SB3 - Sony TA FE320 - Wharfedale Modus Cubes *Dining Room* - SB Boom *Kitchen* - UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* - SB Touch - Topping TP21 - AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV)* - Amazon Fire TV (SB Player) - Topping TP20 - Wharfedale Modus Cubes d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104038 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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Pascal Hibon wrote: I second a Technics SL1200 MKx (or 1210). These turntables are fabulous and built like a tank. These will beat many high-end turntables. I'm using the Shure M97xE cartridge on it but I'm very curious to read about Archimago's experiences with the Denon DL-110 cartridge. (Thanks for the link to the article by the way). On a side note, I'm interested in seeing where this will go: https://www.change.org/p/panasonic-company-matsushita-corporate-re-introduction-of-legendary-technics-turntables :-) Oh yeah, I have that Shure M97xE as well (as per the listening test). Excellent cartridge for the price! I signed that petition about a year ago; still haven't heard anything from Panasonic I guess... I'm wondering in the DJ'ing community, what's the demand for traditional turntables like over the years? I did a friend's birthday party with the free 'Mixxx software' (http://www.mixxx.org/) a few months ago and I think it came out sounding pretty good even though it was the first time using the program. Archimago's Musings: (archimago.blogspot.com) A 'more objective' audiophile blog. Archimago's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2207 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104038 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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Archimago wrote: I signed that petition about a year ago; still haven't heard anything from Panasonic I guess... I'm wondering in the DJ'ing community, what's the demand for traditional turntables like over the years? To be honest, I don't think the demand will be sufficient. The Technics turntable is usually not highly regarded (against better judgment) in the audiophile world. And most turntable DJ's have analog and digital alternatives with 'Pioneer DJ' (http://www.pioneerdj.com/en/product/turntable) and 'Denon DJ' (http://denondj.com/products/view/sc3900#.VbZwLvmqqko). I only silently hope it will come back because the Technics is truly an icon. There is no other peace of equipment that had such a long lifespan. That alone deserves a statue :-) 'M-DAC' (http://www.audiolab.co.uk/M-DAC%20Series.aspx?lang=En) - 'Focal MP1200' (http://www.mp1200.co.nf/) - 'Focal Electra 1028 Be' (http://www.focal.com/en/electra-1000-be-2/209-electra-1028-be-3544053695099.html) 1 x SB3, 1 x SB Boom, 1 x SB Radio and 2 x SB Touch - all wireless 1 x Wandboard Dual behind the bedroom ceiling 1 x Wandboard Dual for 'msqueeze' (http://www.msqueeze.co.nf/index.html) project 1 x Wandboard Quad (will eventually become my LMS server) ReadyNAS NVX running LMS 7.8.1. - 1402661598 iPeng 7 on iPhone. SqueezePad iPeng 7 on iPad. http://www.last.fm/user/phibon Pascal Hibon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7969 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104038 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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Archimago wrote: I'm wondering in the DJ'ing community, what's the demand for traditional turntables like over the years? I did a friend's birthday party with the free 'Mixxx software' (http://www.mixxx.org/) a few months ago and I think it came out sounding pretty good even though it was the first time using the program. I still have a 'Numark iDJ2' (http://www.numark.com/product/idj2) (that I got because I know the people who designed it), but I very rarely use it - for the occasional DJ gig I do, it is now completely laptop-based. To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104038 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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Pascal Hibon wrote: To be honest, I don't think the demand will be sufficient. The Technics turntable is usually not highly regarded (against better judgment) in the audiophile world. And most turntable DJ's have analog and digital alternatives with 'Pioneer DJ' (http://www.pioneerdj.com/en/product/turntable) and 'Denon DJ' (http://denondj.com/products/view/sc3900#.VbZwLvmqqko). I only silently hope it will come back because the Technics is truly an icon. There is no other peace of equipment that had such a long lifespan. That alone deserves a statue :-) Yeah. That's my suspicion as well... Actual numbers of DJ's interested in going back to spinning physical vinyl probably isn't a big number since the transition to digital has happened already. So Panasonic isn't likely going to have the same about of economy of scale to build with the same quality and make good profit, hence the unlikeliness of it coming back... And if it does, the price might take quite a leap! Likewise, I would love to see it come back. I certainly wouldn't mind getting a new 1210 black unit at a reasonable price. For the value conscious, keeping it -not -highly regarded among the audiophile crowd is a good thing :D. At least maybe keeping used prices from being astronomical! Archimago's Musings: (archimago.blogspot.com) A 'more objective' audiophile blog. Archimago's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2207 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104038 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] I need a new turntable. Suggestions.
d6jg wrote: I have seriously considered a second hand Technics SL 1210 and may end up there. To answer the headshell question. I have 2 decks - a Trio KD1033B circa 1975 which I love to bits but was broken for a while and so I bought a Technics clone in the form of a Sherwood PM9800. The head shells contain - an Ortofon VMS20E (my favourite but I struggle to get new styli), an Ortofon 2m Red, a Stanton 500E, an unknown cartridge that came with the Sherwood and an empty headshell that I am thinking of installing an AT95 into. I have considered the Onkyo - it fits all requirements - but has mixed reviews. Good selection of cartridges there. Definitely the ability to switch headshells easily is a major plus IMO. I certainly would not give up this convenience; I really hate having to redo cartridge alignment each time... Recalibrating VTF is no big deal but getting out the protractor with each cartridge sucks IMO (I'm not enough of a masochist :p). My buddy Ingemar at 'PrivateBits' (http://www.privatebits.net/) really loves his AT150MLX with the SL1210 but it is a bit more costly. We trade needle drops at times to listen to differences and the detail he can extract from that baby is excellent. However the AT sound seems to accentuate trebles. I've certainly noticed this with my old AT70 as well. Maybe not as much an issue with AT95? I have a Stanton 890SA as well which is said to be excellent with a fancy Jico shibata stylus but I have never bothered to mailorder this from Japan. I really have no complaints with my affordable Denon DL-110 high output moving coil - certainly gives me some excellent detail retrieval with good all-round tonality (details maybe a little shy of the AT150MLX but I think it is more forgiving of old used albums). I personally am not into vinyl enough to spend much more since I still only buy used stuff / early pressings I never could afford when I was a kid. Most of the reissues these days originate from digital anyways so I happily stick to the CD or digital downloads. What can I say, the ease of use, reliability and build quality of the genuine Technics is quite impressive compared to current competing models at that lower price range. And there are nice deals out there with patience looking around. One convenience I wouldn't mind having is automatic tonearm lifter at the end of the album like the Q-Up but unfortunately this isn't compatible. Oh well. Have fun! There's great joy to be had in analogue world... Archimago's Musings: (archimago.blogspot.com) A 'more objective' audiophile blog. Archimago's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2207 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104038 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] I need a new turntable. Suggestions.
I second a Technics SL1200 MKx (or 1210). These turntables are fabulous and built like a tank. These will beat many high-end turntables. I'm using the Shure M97xE cartridge on it but I'm very curious to read about Archimago's experiences with the Denon DL-110 cartridge. (Thanks for the link to the article by the way). On a side note, I'm interested in seeing where this will go: https://www.change.org/p/panasonic-company-matsushita-corporate-re-introduction-of-legendary-technics-turntables :-) 'M-DAC' (http://www.audiolab.co.uk/M-DAC%20Series.aspx?lang=En) - 'Focal MP1200' (http://www.mp1200.co.nf/) - 'Focal Electra 1028 Be' (http://www.focal.com/en/electra-1000-be-2/209-electra-1028-be-3544053695099.html) 1 x SB3, 1 x SB Boom, 1 x SB Radio and 2 x SB Touch - all wireless 1 x Wandboard Dual behind the bedroom ceiling 1 x Wandboard Dual for 'msqueeze' (http://www.msqueeze.co.nf/index.html) project 1 x Wandboard Quad (will eventually become my LMS server) ReadyNAS NVX running LMS 7.8.1. - 1402661598 iPeng 7 on iPhone. SqueezePad iPeng 7 on iPad. http://www.last.fm/user/phibon Pascal Hibon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7969 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104038 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] I need a new turntable. Suggestions.
d6jg wrote: Budget is £350/$500 - I guess that's low end for most of you but ..., Ideally I want an S shaped tone arm with a removable headshell - I have half a dozen ADC head shells with cartridges that I like to swap around. I do not need USB etc. I have scoured the hi fi forums and the likes of Project Rega keep appearing but they have fixed arms. Any recommendations here? Curious what turntable were you using before to have gathered the shells and cartridges??? I have absolutely no regrets with my used Technics SL-1200M3D (got for about $350US last year locally): http://archimago.blogspot.ca/2014/07/musings-vinyl-update-technics-sl-1200.html I know many vinyl audiophiles poo-poo the whole direct drive thing but I must say that 'it did pretty well with some needledrops' (http://archimago.blogspot.ca/2014/12/result-archimagos-lp-needle-drop-blind.html) I did compared to my friend's much more expensive Roksan setup + Whest phono pre. Speed stability just great despite 10 years old; this thing is a tank: http://archimago.blogspot.ca/2014/08/measurements-technics-sl-1200-m3d-wow.html Here's the Roksan TMS's numbers: http://archimago.blogspot.ca/2014/11/measurements-roksan-tms-1-wow-flutter.html The recently AnalogPlanet reviewed 'Onkyo CP-1050' (http://www.analogplanet.com/content/onkyos-cp-1050-direct-drive-turntable-offers-extraordinary-speed-stability-attractive-retro#KIRTmJ0HeRfShpZl.97) and 'Pioneer PL-30-K' (http://www.analogplanet.com/content/pioneer-pl-30-k-automatic-single-play-turntable-0#DqRZkg5Zi9xdEqxR.97) might be up your alley as well... Good luck! Just make sure you have nice sounding cartridges :o. Archimago's Musings: (archimago.blogspot.com) A 'more objective' audiophile blog. Archimago's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2207 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104038 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] I need a new turntable. Suggestions.
Archimago wrote: Curious what turntable were you using before to have gathered the shells and cartridges??? I have absolutely no regrets with my used Technics SL-1200M3D (got for about $350US last year locally): http://archimago.blogspot.ca/2014/07/musings-vinyl-update-technics-sl-1200.html I know many vinyl audiophiles poo-poo the whole direct drive thing but I must say that 'it did pretty well with some needledrop comparisons' (http://archimago.blogspot.ca/2014/12/result-archimagos-lp-needle-drop-blind.html) I did compared to my friend's much more expensive Roksan setup + Whest phono pre. Speed stability just great despite 10 years old; this thing is a tank: http://archimago.blogspot.ca/2014/08/measurements-technics-sl-1200-m3d-wow.html Here's the Roksan TMS's numbers: http://archimago.blogspot.ca/2014/11/measurements-roksan-tms-1-wow-flutter.html The recently AnalogPlanet reviewed 'Onkyo CP-1050' (http://www.analogplanet.com/content/onkyos-cp-1050-direct-drive-turntable-offers-extraordinary-speed-stability-attractive-retro#KIRTmJ0HeRfShpZl.97) and 'Pioneer PL-30-K' (http://www.analogplanet.com/content/pioneer-pl-30-k-automatic-single-play-turntable-0#DqRZkg5Zi9xdEqxR.97) might be up your alley as well... Good luck! Just make sure you have nice sounding cartridges :o. I have seriously considered a second hand Technics SL 1210 and may end up there. To answer the headshell question. I have 2 decks - a Trio KD1033B circa 1975 which I love to bits but was broken for a while and so I bought a Technics clone in the form of a Sherwood PM9800. The head shells contain - an Ortofon VMS20E (my favourite but I struggle to get new styli), an Ortofon 2m Red, a Stanton 500E, an unknown cartridge that came with the Sherwood and an empty headshell that I am thinking of installing an AT95 into. I have considered the Onkyo - it fits all requirements - but has mixed reviews. *Vortexbox LMS 7.8 music on QNAP TS419p via NFS* - iThingys/iPeng/Tablets *Living Room* - SB3 - Onkyo TS606 connected Digitally - Celestion Ditton F20s - and connected Analogue for Zone 2 - Sony TA FE 320 - Sennheiser RS 130 *Office* - SB3 - Sony TA FE320 - Wharfedale Modus Cubes *Dining Room* - SB Boom *Kitchen* - UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* - SB Touch - Topping TP21 - AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV)* - Amazon Fire TV (SB Player) - Topping TP20 - Wharfedale Modus Cubes d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104038 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
