Re: [Aus-soaring] Tassie waves
Can someone describe what these waves are and how they are propagated? Are they soarable? Regards, Dave Donald www.designbuildtest.com.au 0409059929 Do not go gentle into that good night - Dylan Thomas From: Graham Watts grah...@arach.net.au To: aus-soaring aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Friday, 8 May 2015, 18:34 Subject: [Aus-soaring] Tassie waves It looks like it was a good wave day in Tassie (via BOM) http://imgur.com/5wSevJz Graham ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] IS29D life extension
Why can't it be flown as an 'experimental'? dsve Sent from Yahoo7 Mail on Android From:brett pound brett_po...@hotmail.com Date:Wed, 15 Apr, 2015 at 5:10 PM Subject:Re: [Aus-soaring] IS29D life extension Anyone from Camden reading here ? This is the post-35 year life extension program, that required individually issued documents for each aircraft to be permitted to fly past the current limit (with maintenance requirements and a fixed landing limit) http://www.ssa.org/GovernmentLiaison?id=2981 is about the most recent notice from an authority on the topic, but doesn’t open any leads. Sent from Windows Mail From: Justin Couch Sent: Wednesday, 15 April 2015 4:24 PM To: Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net On 15/04/2015 3:41 pm, brett pound wrote: does anyone know anyone in AU who actually went through the extension program, for an IS28 or IS29 ? No idea, but there are several out at Camden, including one owned by employees of Camden Sailplanes and none have gone through the process. Closest paperwork I could find online was this Canadian reference about a 20yr extension interval: http://wwwapps3.tc.gc.ca/Saf-Sec-Sur/2/AWD-CN/documents/ROIS-29D2-EO-6.htm -- Justin ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Qld Easter Comps at Goondiwindi - 18-26/04 - get in now before the early bird finishes!!
The Qld Easter Comps is at Goondiwindi again from the 18-26/04 - get in now before the early bird finishes after 07/03/14. Go to http://glidingqueensland.org.au/EasterComp2014/info.php?comp_id=1 to register or contact Dave Donald on 0409059929 and icans...@y7mail.com. Entries will be capped at 50 for this popular event, so get your entry in now to ensure your spot. Regards, Dave Do not go gentle into that good night - Dylan Thomas___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Turnpoints
But don't we now fly to GPS co-ordinates rather than physical landmarks? I thought physical landmarks went the way of the turn-point camera - even though they are my preference. Regards, Dave Do not go gentle into that good night - Dylan Thomas From: Ross McLean ross...@bigpond.net.au To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Wednesday, 8 January 2014 11:29 AM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Turnpoints How is having a name instead of a number likely to lead to more confusion in the official contest turnpoint database or which turnpoint has been set? · Jandowie, Jandowie North, Jandowie Crossing · Bobedah Town Hall, Bobedah Road Junc · Boggabilla, Boggabri · Carinda East, Carinda Swim Pool · Collie A/F, Collie Road Junc · Condobolin TerminlBldng, Condobolin Silo · Coonabarabran, Coonabarabran Silo · Coonamble TerminlBldng, Coonamble Silo, Coonamble West · Forbes A/F, Forbes Silo · Gilgandra A/F, Gilgandra TerminlBldng, Gilgandra Beehive Silo · Temora A/F, Temora Silo · Tomingley Road Junction, Tomingley West (Silo)... I could go on but you probably get the idea by now Mike. ROSS _ From:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Mike Borgelt Sent: Wednesday, 8 January 2014 10:45 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Turnpoints Depends on the device and how the database is organised and how you choose turnpoints. How is having a name instead of a number likely to lead to more confusion in the official contest turnpoint database or which turnpoint has been set? Presumably the names are spelled correctly and the coordinates supplied by the organisers. Mike .At 10:30 AM 8/01/2014, you wrote: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary==_NextPart_000_0162_01CF0C5C.A9DFE160 Content-Language: en-au From a competitor's point of view the new turnpoint naming convention of number/name is great as it avoids any possible confusion regarding which turnpoint has been set for the task. Also makes it much easier to input the task accurately into the logger/flight computer/gps whatever. Similarly, in the air they are really much easier and faster to use. ROSS _ From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Mandy Temple Sent: Wednesday, 8 January 2014 9:45 AM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Turnpoints The names are a combined number and name, not just a number. eg 47PATA MT From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Mike Borgelt Sent: Wednesday, 8 January 2014 8:49 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Turnpoints With the added advantage that casual visitors to the contest have no idea where the task is for the day :-) Mike At 07:06 PM 7/01/2014, you wrote: Hi Ron, apparently it was requested by the pilots at a recent nats pilot meeting (maybe Benalla) and is now in the guidelines. Makes inputting tasks to a device easier. Regards Grant. Grant Hudson On 7 Jan 2014, at 19:21, Ron Sanders resand...@gmail.com wrote: Everybody just a question about the arrangement of turn points. I noticed at Kingaroy and now at Waikerie that turn points are being described primarily by numbers these days. I was wondering if any body can tell me why?? Don't care one way or the other just interested to know if some body has made some kind of policy decision. Ron ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring Borgelt Instruments - design manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 www.borgeltinstruments.com tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 mob: 042835 5784 : int+61-42835 5784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit:
Re: [Aus-soaring] Intermediate/short term goals
I don't know if Rolf's response was intended as sarcasm but 'The idea is to fly in air that's going up' is pretty good advice. If only we ever taught students this simple maxim then everything would be a lot easier i.e.think about where you're pointing the glider rather than meandering around meaninglessly. Dave From: rolf a. buelter rbuel...@hotmail.com To: aus soaring aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Monday, 18 March 2013 8:38 AM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Intermediate/short term goals The idea is to fly in air that's going up. Wow - that's where I've gone wrong for the last 50 years. Thanks Mr. Borgelt for that invaluable piece of advise. rgds Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 08:25:08 +1000 To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net From: mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Intermediate/short term goals Mark, The idea is to fly in air that's going up. You should not be hearing the sink sound much. If you are it is time to go somewhere else and be in cruise mode while doing this when you won't hear the sink sound. Mike At 12:37 AM 18/03/2013, you wrote: On 17/03/2013, at 11:08 AM, Mike Borgelt mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com wrote: Yes, staying out of sink is very important. Most of us do it poorly. It is extremely important when trying to center weak and broken thermals which is why I like a vario with a sink sound as it provides full information on the bad air as well as the good air while doing this. And on that note, I'd like to congratulate you for the B50, which, as installed in AUGC's H205 Club Libelle, had the most inspiringly depressing sink sound I've ever had the misfortune to hear. Excellent work, well done :-) - mark ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring Borgelt Instruments- design manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 www.borgeltinstruments.com tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 mob: 042835 5784 : int+61-42835 5784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Simple question straw poll, (offlist reply)
I once saw a Hornet run over the wingtip of a Puchatek when a pilot tried to do this. The airfield had two grass strips with a centre bitumen strip, all 5000ft long, with no other traffic and nothing on the ground. Absolutely unnecessary then, and it would be a rare event on almost any gliding airfield when it would be necessary. In the event that the pilot felt compelled to land 'short' then their explanation would be obvious and acceptable to the Duty Instructor. If it was done for any reason other than an emergent safety issue like convenience then they would be left with no doubt about the folly of their actions. Dave From: Catherine Conway c...@internode.on.net To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Friday, 1 March 2013 6:02 AM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Simple question straw poll, (offlist reply) It's very common in commercial ops that I have visited in the USA but I refuse to do it Cath Sent from my iPhone On 01/03/2013, at 1:02 AM, Texler, Michael michael.tex...@health.wa.gov.au wrote: Why the straw poll? I had the audacity to question a fellow level 2 as to why he taxied a heavy club two seater (a DG1000 with 2 POB) to within 5-10m of the back of the launching grid (there were other gliders on the grid). I was told that since I didn't have anywhere near the vast years of experience he had, 1,00's of kms of X-country he did and I wasn't as regular flier as he was that I had no right to criticise him. I was the level 2 running the day. Just trying to see how prevalent taxying up behind the grid is. Great to hear from you! ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Simple question straw poll, (offlist reply)
I once saw a Hornet run over the wingtip of a Puchatek when a pilot tried to do this. The airfield had two grass strips with a centre bitumen strip, all 5000ft long, with no other traffic and nothing on the ground except the gridded-up gliders at one end and on one grass side. Absolutely unnecessary then, and it would be a rare event on almost any gliding airfield when it would be necessary. In the event that the pilot felt compelled to land 'short' then their explanation would be obvious and acceptable to the Duty Instructor. If it was done for any reason other than an emergent safety issue like convenience then they would be left with no doubt about the folly of their actions. Dave From: Catherine Conway c...@internode.on.net To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Friday, 1 March 2013 6:02 AM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Simple question straw poll, (offlist reply) It's very common in commercial ops that I have visited in the USA but I refuse to do it Cath Sent from my iPhone On 01/03/2013, at 1:02 AM, Texler, Michael michael.tex...@health.wa.gov.au wrote: Why the straw poll? I had the audacity to question a fellow level 2 as to why he taxied a heavy club two seater (a DG1000 with 2 POB) to within 5-10m of the back of the launching grid (there were other gliders on the grid). I was told that since I didn't have anywhere near the vast years of experience he had, 1,00's of kms of X-country he did and I wasn't as regular flier as he was that I had no right to criticise him. I was the level 2 running the day. Just trying to see how prevalent taxying up behind the grid is. Great to hear from you! ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Portable transponder
Is there such a thing as a 'portable' transponder? The wave season has started at Boonah (strong climbs last weekend, the upper limit of which was limited by Controlled airspace) and a Transponder is required. It would be very useful if there was a 'portable transponder' that could be moved from aircraft to aircraft so that airspace can be entered. Dave ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] GFA Site/accident
Hi Liegh, I suspect you already know the answer, so why ask the question? If you wanted to know that why not ring GFA? I doubt that anyone from GFA will answer in this forum even though I suspect 'they' monitor it. So, jump away! Dave From: Leigh Youdale lmyoud...@me.com To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Thursday, 26 April 2012 8:41 AM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] GFA Site/accident air sport bodies including the GFA (with two participants) were involved in an air crash investigation course in April 2006 run by the ATSB in Canberra. Six years ago, and two participants! Doesn't look all that brilliant, but before jumping in with both feet, how about someone from GFA tells us who is accredited (by GFA) to carry out investigations, how many are active, what their qualifications are and where they're located? Leigh Youdale ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] gfa web site
Yep - looks to be down at the moment. From: Ron Sanders resand...@gmail.com To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Sunday, 22 April 2012 7:58 PM Subject: [Aus-soaring] gfa web site Can someone outbthere tell me please why i can not log onto www.gfa.org.au ??? Ron ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Has Krosno been revived?
Found this link recently: http://soaringcafe.com/2012/02/krosno-phoenix-from-the-ashes/ They're re-badging the Puchatek and calling it the Peregrine. No mention of 'Life' anywhere in their literature though. Dave___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Anyone got an old Colibri for sale?
Has anyone got an old Colibri (Yellow or black) for sale? Dave ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
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[Aus-soaring] Gus Mauch has passed
From Warwicks bulletin board: It is with deep regret we advise that at 7.00pm this evening Gus Mauch our friend, patron of the glider and aero clubs, fellow aviator and mentor to many of us passed away at the Warwick Hospital. He will be missed. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Where to sit on tow?
'Rules are for the obedience of fools and the guidance of wise men' Dave From: emilis prelgauskas emi...@emilis.sa.on.net To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Wed, 13 April, 2011 10:52:33 AM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Where to sit on tow? In a changing world, where there seems to be a presumption that there are prescriptive single rules for everything (so that you can die 'by the book'); it is worth occasionally reminding ourselves that the whole premise and basis of the sport of gliding is that we do what is safe, including taking into account local unique factors; where the recommended procedures that we have developed over the last 60 years from experiences across the nation are advisory and well worth following when they make sense, and well worth deviating away from when they would lead you into extra dangers which general thinking didn't take into account local circumstance. Hence the diversity of experience and recommendations in this thread, right down to the tug veering off straight ahead for safety reasons when the prescriptive rule would say bore ahead until the rules mandates a turn. Unfortunately, there are people who do believe everything is mandatory, rather than advisory, as a result of which every decade or so we seem to re-visit 'learning by repeating mistakes learned decades before' On 12/04/2011, at 9:00 PM, harry medlicott wrote: The BGA, who are extremely safety conscious and keep meticulous records of safety incidents, have recently been concerned at tug upsets and discussed the low tow option. Mostly high or low tow doesn't matter but when launching on a day with very strong thermals, being in low tow or should it be called line astern, gives a higher safety margin for the tug when the tug leaves the thermal and the glider is still in it. Can't think of any upsets causing the death of a tuggie since the GFA started reccomending low tow under Australian conditions. Let's hope we don't have to reinvent the wheel. Harry Medlicott ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Good morning
Good morning DDD, lovely QLD day today, tell Mum to have a nice day at Nans. Dave oxo From: Christopher Mc Donnell wommamuku...@bigpond.com To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Mon, 11 April, 2011 7:48:55 AM Subject: [Aus-soaring] Good morning Good morning DDD. Miserable SA today. Mum is off to Nans. DDD oxo ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Mini Regatta at Goondiwindi - when you can't have an Easter Comps!!
Hi, Regrettably I advise that the Easter Comps, planned for the 16-23 of April at Dalby has been cancelled. But there is some good news!! There has been a suggestion made that a mini-regatta could be run at Goondiwindi airfield, and provisionally the dates will be the traditional Easter long weekend. GQ is considering Goondiwindi as a potential aletrnative site for Easter Comps so this is our opportunity to assess the suitability of the site. The purpose of this email is to gauge any interest there may be to attend this event. If you're interested, please let me know at this email address or ring me on 0409059929. We'll need some minimum numbers to run this so please let me know!! Regards, Dave Donald GQ President ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] State of mind/breakaway groups
Hi Gary - most definitely not a 'breakaway group. It was simply a matter of timing - Robert didnt' know about my email and vice versa. Having two venues as alternatives can only be a healthy thing! Regards, Dave From: gstev...@bigpond.com gstev...@bigpond.com To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Thu, 17 March, 2011 11:52:41 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] State of mind/breakaway groups Paul, I think you are missing the point entirely. Age has nothing whatsoever to do with it. Gary Are you intending to fly the SZD 55 at DDSC over Easter? Looks like there is already a Goondiwindi breakaway group forming. During a comp many years ago 8 pilots landed out at Donald A/F in Victoria. They decided that they would all get aerotow retrieves. 4 pilots elected to launch off 08. The other 4 decided on 36! What is truly amazing is that nobody decided to use 09/27. I note that nobody from any of the 3 clubs at Bacchus Mash, took up Tim Shirley's (surely tongue in cheek?), recent query on this forum as to why there should be 3 individual clubs (with a common purpose?), operating from this airfield. - Original Message - From: Paul Bart To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 11:46 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] State of mind Hi Gary Maybe, one thing is for sure, older we get the more likely that scenario is:) Cheers Paul On 17 March 2011 22:07, gstev...@bigpond.com wrote: Hi Paul, Perhaps in the bigger picture, anger sometimes has its place? However re gliding, and this forum, I prefer passion, and as our Sports Psychologists tell us it is essential to have some arousal in most things we do. As one commentator put it otherwise you might wake up dead one morning, and not even know it! Now that is indeed something to think about. Cheers, Gary - Original Message - From: Paul Bart To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 10:15 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] parachute Fair enough Gary, maybe it is just me, but I would rather see five emails that may violate the non commercial status of this forum rather than one angry one. Cheers Paul On 17 March 2011 12:57, gstev...@bigpond.com wrote: No! What I suggested to Dave Donald was to conduct the ensuing negotiations (if any) - ongoing business off line - Private email or telephone.As it turned out, Dave gave me a call, and said he was not a buyer, and was not entering into negotiations. His was just an interested further detail query. I hereby apologise to Dave. Hope that clarifies things for you Paul. BTW, I responded to Paul Mander's email, before I saw the one from Bob. Cheers, Gary - Original Message - From: Paul Bart To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 1:23 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] parachute Did you not rant at someone recently for the very same thing you are engaging in now? note Please contact Bob McDonald by email or phone(0263376618) Paul On 17 March 2011 11:50, gstev...@bigpond.com wrote: So do I. It is a Strong Enterprises 26' Para Cushion (slim back). Date of manufacture 1987. Price $1200. Gary Stevenson 03 5352 4938 - Original Message - From: Paul Mander To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 10:44 AM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] parachute I’ve got a surplus slim pack, good condition. Paul Mander, p...@mander.net.au. 0417 447 974 From:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of bob mcdonald Sent: Thursday, 17 March 2011 8:59 AM To: Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] parachute I am looking to buy a used parachute but in good condition. Please contact Bob McDonald by email or phone(0263376618). ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Fwd: ulf for sale
Where is it located? Dave From: emilis prelgauskas emi...@emilis.sa.on.net To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Wed, 9 March, 2011 11:51:26 AM Subject: [Aus-soaring] Fwd: ulf for sale Begin forwarded message: From: KL NE Duggan dug...@skymesh.com.au Date: 8 March 2011 8:26:56 PM Subject: ulf for sale ULF-1 foot launch 10metre span 17:1 single seat glider part built Just letting you know that I am selling my ulf project as I am unable to complete same. I have sent some photos to show some of the work that has been done and all the parts that have been completed, so if anyone is interested I am asking $600 00 and can be contacted on 85588148 or e-mail. cheers Ken Duggan. Your message is ready to be sent with the following file or link attachments: 030 (4) 031 (4) 023 (4) 027 (4) 028 (4) Pict0836 (2) Pict0838 (2) Note: To protect against computer viruses, e-mail programs may prevent sending or receiving certain types of file attachments. Check your e-mail security settings to determine how attachments are handled. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] proposed windfarms?
Bravo, Mike, Bravo! Dave From: Mike Borgelt mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com To: p...@kurstjens.com; Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Fri, 4 March, 2011 8:34:58 AM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] proposed windfarms? At 07:44 AM 4/03/2011, you wrote: The item below was in a recent BGA newsletter. It details a hazard associated with proposed windfarms, and may also be relevant to Australia, if you fly in areas where windfarms are springing up. Eyes peeled? (N.B. In the U.K.) We understand that anemometer masts have been erected in a number of areas proposed for use as future windfarms. Others have been erected adjacent to but outside current windfarm boundaries. These masts are relatively thin, and can be difficult to pick out from the air. Being less than 300 feet high, they are not required to be lit, or marked on CAA charts, nor to be subject to NOTAM. Be vigilant in unfamiliar areas if you are less than 500ft above ground level. If you check Avweb you'll see there was recent fatality due to one of these and the FAA is being asked why no action. I think it was an ag aircraft so had a reason for being there. Wonderful for ridge soaring gliders too. Ah the wonders of clean, green, safe energy! When the madness has run its course there should be one of the useless wind turbines erected near very capital city to remind the population of the dangers of irrationality. One blade should be folded back, stationary, with some simulated smoke blackening on the gearbox/generator. A nice hole in the ground next to it to remind people where their money went. Fortunately the worst of the wholesale visual pollution and danger to birds of these useless energy sinks will be able to be eliminated with a little plastique in short order, followed by the extensive network of pissant power lines necessary to collect the small amounts of energy they do generate when and if the wind happens to be blowing at the right speed. . split atoms, not birds Mike Borgelt Instruments - manufacturers of quality soaring instruments since 1978 phone Int'l + 61 746 355784 fax Int'l + 61 746 358796 cellphone Int'l + 61 428 355784 email: mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com website: www.borgeltinstruments.com ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] What kind of cloud is this?
Hmmm..alto-stratus with some mammatus, but a bit hard to tell from the photo without some perspective (to give a rough guide to height). Were there any storms about? Looks to be in the afternoon. Dave From: Carl Ricard carlric...@gmail.com To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Tue, 1 March, 2011 10:41:01 AM Subject: [Aus-soaring] What kind of cloud is this? Every february we get this cloud here Can anyone tell me whats the name of this cloud? Thanks, Carl ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] T-Hangar plans/pics
Hi, just wondering if anyone on this list has some sort of plans/drawing for a simple t-hangar and suggestions on different building material types. There are plenty of t-hangars built but those who built them no longer seem to be around. Any ideas would be great and any difficulties that you may have had with Council (particularly in Queensland) would be great. Regards, Dave ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] dg-ls
Great - now can someone tell me what it means?! Dave From: mart m...@mca.nu To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Sat, 30 October, 2010 10:15:08 AM Subject: [Aus-soaring] dg-ls Hi All, I copy/pasted this from a Dutch forum: Dear Sir / Madam, I am owner of a DG-500M from DG-Flugzeugbau. I have the following question. In EASA-TCDS-A.239_DG_Flugzeugbau_Single_Seaters-02-05102010.pdf one can find for each of the DG-100/200/300/400/600 series a section named: Operating and Service Instructions. In several of these sections one can find that either the old Maintenance Manual OR the Maintenance Manual issued December 2009 as amended can be used. In EASA-TCDS-A.233_DG_Flugzeugbau_DG--500-01-15092010.pdf one can find under the same section Operating and Service Instructions that for, for instance, the DG-500M the Maintenance Manual issue July 1990 as well as the Maintenance Manual issued December 2009 as amended are mentioned. Can you tell me what is the meaning of the mentioning of both Maintenance Manuals? Do I have to use both? Or can I use only one of them? And is this my choice or not? With Regards, Sjoerd Talsma Ik kreeg daarop het volgende antwoord: ( I received the following answer ) Dear Sir/Madam, The new version of Operating and Service Instructions has been inserted in the TCDS because DG-Flugzeugbau has applied to EASA for their approval through a change request. Indeed, in these documents, you can read that operators may use the Operating and Service Instructions issued formerly OR in December 2009. Part-M requires usage of latest Instructions for Continuing Airworthiness, but your National Aviation Authority (NAA) can approve deviating maintenance programmes. Having said that, we are advised that this may cause confusion at the NAAs when they have to approve the maintenance programmes and that some NAAs may require the latest amended versions of the AMM. There is nothing we can do to insist that the earlier original version should be acceptable as well as long as the differences are editorial or for convenience. I hope this helps. Best regards, Nabil BEN MAMI Airworthiness Directives Officer European Aviation Safety Agency (EASA) Airworthiness Directives, Safety Management and Research Postfach 101253 D- 50452 Köln, Germany Tel: +49 221 899 90 4320 Fax: +49 221 899 90 4820 nabil.ben-mami apestaart easa.europa.eu ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] address for GFA magazine
Can someone please supply me with the email address of the contact person for contributions to the GFA mag? Regards, Dave ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] GQ Lecture on 2 November 2010
Hi Scott, here are the details: Hi GQ Members, To facilitate the ongoing development of soaring skills of glider pilots in Queensland, GQ has initiated a lecture series that will be ongoing over the coming months. The next lecture will be conducted on Tuesday the 2nd of November. If you have any specific topics relating to Meteorology, please email Robert on ha...@interweft.com.au if you wish him to cover any specific areas. Where: The 2 Wing AAFC building on Bonanza Avenue, Archerfield Airport. When: Tuesday 2nd of November starting at 18:30 to 21:00. Light refreshments will be provided on the night; sandwiches, tea, coffee, biscuits, cakes etc. What: The topic being presented is: Lecture Topic Presenter # 1 and 2 Meteorology for glider pilots Robert Hart RSVP: Please RSVP to secret...@glidingqueensland.org.au so we can get an idea of numbers for catering etc. From: Scott Penrose sco...@dd.com.au To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Wed, 20 October, 2010 8:21:35 AM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] GQ Lecture on 2 November 2010 Where is it going to be on? and what time ? Scott On 20/10/2010, at 9:10 AM, erich wittstock wrote: Robert, this would be one of those lectures that should be recorded via video and put up on the GFA website or other suitable area/s. I am sure that there are a lot of people interested in this subject. Is there someone that could help you setting it up - so you only have to concentrate on the subject of meteorology instead of IT issues? ..always enjoy reading your forecasts on-line as well as the forecasts during comps. Keep up the good work! .. Erich On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 23:20, Robert Hart ha...@interweft.com.au wrote: Hi On the evening of Tuesday 2 November I am giving a GQ lecture entitled Meteorology for Glider Pilots. This is a huge subject and I would like to get some idea from people the sorts of thing they want to hear about. I have the whole evening (2 hours with a break in the middle) (which is a bit daunting both as a speaker and quite probably for the audience too) and there will definitely be QA in both sessions. So far, this is the list of topics I have pulled together from my own observation of the things I am asked about and also from requests I have already received. Understanding Queensland weather systems * The summer winter patterns * An introduction to the Southern Oscillation Index (SOI) and Indian Ocean Dipole (IOD) * Maritime influence and local geographyReading surface and altitude charts from BoM * Isobars, fronts and troughs and their weather * Wind direction * Jet streams and their importance Getting and reading a forecast atmospheric sounding (SkewT/LogP) * The NOAA site * Average temperature variation (lapse rates) * Thermals as adiabatic (unmixed) processes * Calculating dry convection, cloud base, temperature for first cloud * Over development * high cloudUnderstanding and using RASP * How RASP works - and its limitations * The basic parameters * Cloud and over development Thunderstorms * Predictor cloud * The SkewT/LogP diagram * Convective Available Potential Energy (CAPE) Index * Standard Lifted Index (SLI) * MicroburstsPlanning a task using weather information * When to plan * When to start * Where to go * When to finish Suggestions for additions (and removal) most welcome! -- Robert Hart ha...@interweft.com.au +61 (0)438 385 533 http://www.hart.wattle.id.au ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] old historical film clip
From: Mike Borgelt mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Wed, 15 September, 2010 9:37:47 AM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] old historical film clip While in Perth recently I visited an old glider pilot from the 70s and model aircraft enthusiast since the 1950s, Charlie Stone. He mentioned he had a colour film clip of a few minutes of Gliding club of Western Australia operations at Caversham and the DVD arrived yesterday. He said it was from 1951 and the first part which has primary glider operations may be but the second part has the T31b in it and I believe the T31b was a later glider built from a kit and may be around 1956. I did recognise some of the people! One was the instructor on my first training flight and another was my pilot on my first glider flight when I was 9, in that T31b. Anyone interested? I can make copies of the DVD. Mike Borgelt Instruments - manufacturers of quality soaring instruments since 1978 phone Int'l + 61 746 355784 fax Int'l + 61 746 358796 cellphone Int'l + 61 428 355784 email: mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com website: www.borgeltinstruments.com ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Jack Iggulden -the end of an era at age 94
Gliding Queensland has been working on collecting photo's, stories and memorabilia about gliding in Queensland recently. One of our members has been gifted a significant number of photos and stories and has digitised the material and put it up at: http://www.glidingcaboolture.org.au/gq60/sixties_gliding_qld.htm The collection is larger than just Queensland. As Macca and others have said, we fear losing this material if it is not captured in some way. This collection goes a way to ensuring that this type of material lives on forever. If anyone has any material they would like to display or anecdotes to share (and every club has some!) please forward it to me via Gliding Queensland. A big thanks to Max Howland for the material and congratulations to Kevin Rodda for putting it all together. Regards, Dave From: Gary Stevenson gst...@dodo.com.au To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net; GFA Secretary secret...@sec.gfa.org.au; DARYL CONNELL conne...@speedlink.com.au; Brett br...@planetlighting.com; Dave Boulter daveboul...@boulterassociates.com.au; Dave Donald icans...@y7mail.com; STO Airworthiness sto...@sec.gfa.org.au; Gavin Wills gwi...@glideomarama.com; ann...@hwy.com.au Sent: Wed, 13 October, 2010 10:50:27 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Jack Iggulden -the end of an era at age 94 Macca, As you only hint at, there is a huge amount of gliding history encapsulated in your few paragraphs, and I thank you for the information that you have provided - fascinating stuff! There is no doubt that the Igguldens contributed immensely to our sport in its formative days in Australia, and to my thinking it would be a very good idea for the GFA Board to devote considerable effort (and funds), to getting the Iggulden story onto National Television, to the benefit of the gliding movement. A story like theirs is the very stuff that the ABC thrives on, so the idea should not be too difficult to sell! Daryl, are you and the Board up to the challenge? Jack's death provides a key - if you move NOW. Ian, I can say that Jack was indeed a published author. I am certain that all his work is now long out of print. The only book of his that I read (many years ago), was his novel The Clouded Sky. Although it was long ago, I recall that this was a very powerful work, that was at least the equal of the best work of the famed authors, Neville Shute Norway, and Hammond Innes. Regards, Gary - Original Message - From: Ian Mc Phee To: Discussion of issues relatingto Soaring in Australia. ; GFA Secretary ; DARYLCONNELL ; Brett ; Dave Boulter ; Dave Donald ; STOAirworthiness ; Gavin Wills ; ann...@hwy.com.au Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 9:56AM Subject: [Aus-soaring] Jack Iggulden -theend of an era at age 94 John (Jack) Iggulden died at Bellingen friday at the age 94. Jack was proud of the fact he was GFA #1 (think the first life member)and with his late brother Bill Iggulden (died 20+years ago) were responsible for the GFA manual of Standard Proceedures and the GFA instructors manual and while changes have occurred there is still a lot there from those Igguldens. They did a lot of negotiation with Sir Donald Anderson the then head of DCA on behalf of GFA. Their life was gliding. His last flying in gliders was in his beloved ASK14motorglider. He owned it till about 3 years ago always thinking he wouldbe able to fly again. Mind was still OK buy body was failing. Unfortunately last time I say him was Ben Iggulden's (his nephew Brett'sson) wedding about 4 years ago (Tom Iggulden -another son of Brett-was marriedlast weekend who we all see on ABC TV reporting from China most weeks) The Igguldens and the Wills families from UK (Phillip and Justin in UKand Gavin in NZ) always had a close association and always there is still aspecial place for Lucy Wills in all our lives.(movie Windborn or betterknown as Lucy Learns to fly) My main times with the Iggulden's was at Keepit and Jack and Brett were like father and son. Can always remember Jack landed K14 and said hewant to Boggabri and when Brett landed his LS4 I told Brett about Jack goingto Boggabri- Then a a ding dong followed with Brett saying You lying old bastard - you cut the turn point short Jack responded with Icould see what the marker was behind the silo To explain before cameraverification in comps people would drive to the marker and put a L or X or Tmarker in close to tall silo and change every say 30min. Pilots wouldhave to write down a time and the marker to prove they turned themarker!! Before being at Bellingen NSW the Igguldens came from Victoria where they did much of the early gliding around Tower Hill I seem to remember. There is old black
Re: [Aus-soaring] Jack Iggulden Photo
Oh o, I sent the CGC photo link to AusSoaring sorry Kevin!! I thought that you'd finished...I should have asked first. I had a quick look and I've never seen anything like it! In my excitement I sent the link to AusSoaring for anyone to add or comment. Oops! Dave From: Kevin Rodda brisgl...@gmail.com To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Cc: Dave and Jenne Goldsmith daveandje...@gmail.com Sent: Thu, 14 October, 2010 8:41:33 AM Subject: [Aus-soaring] Jack Iggulden Photo Macca, I have this week been working on a new gliding history section for the Gliding Queensland web site. The new pages, to be published soon arer based on photos, letters, notes and log book extracts provided to me by Max Howland covering his 20 year gliding career that commenced in 1958. Soon after reading your email advising that Jack Iggulden had passed away, I came accorss this photo of Jack (on left) with Max (on right). From Max's notes ... Jack Iggulden tries our Kookaburra at Kingaroy. Jack was a Gliding Federation of Australia Leading Pilot. His brother Bill Iggulden was GFA President for many years. Max resides at Tewantin ... unfortunately his long time ground crew member (wife Daphne) passed away earlier this year. Thought you and others might be interested to see this photo of Jack which would be from around 1960 (I think). Regards, Kevin Rodda - Original Message - From: Ian Mc Phee To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. ; GFA Secretary ; DARYL CONNELL ; Brett ; Dave Boulter ; Dave Donald ; STO Airworthiness ; Gavin Wills ; ann...@hwy.com.au Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 9:56 AM Subject: [Aus-soaring] Jack Iggulden -the end of an era at age 94 John (Jack) Iggulden died at Bellingen friday at the age 94. Jack was proud of the fact he was GFA #1 (think the first life member) and with his late brother Bill Iggulden (died 20+years ago) were responsible for the GFA manual of Standard Proceedures and the GFA instructors manual and while changes have occurred there is still a lot there from those Igguldens. They did a lot of negotiation with Sir Donald Anderson the then head of DCA on behalf of GFA. Their life was gliding. His last flying in gliders was in his beloved ASK14 motorglider. He owned it till about 3 years ago always thinking he would be able to fly again. Mind was still OK buy body was failing. Unfortunately last time I say him was Ben Iggulden's (his nephew Brett's son) wedding about 4 years ago (Tom Iggulden -another son of Brett-was married last weekend who we all see on ABC TV reporting from China most weeks) The Igguldens and the Wills families from UK (Phillip and Justin in UK and Gavin in NZ) always had a close association and always there is still a special place for Lucy Wills in all our lives.(movie Windborn or better known as Lucy Learns to fly) My main times with the Iggulden's was at Keepit and Jack and Brett were like father and son. Can always remember Jack landed K14 and said he want to Boggabri and when Brett landed his LS4 I told Brett about Jack going to Boggabri- Then a a ding dong followed with Brett saying You lying old bastard - you cut the turn point short Jack responded with I could see what the marker was behind the silo To explain before camera verification in comps people would drive to the marker and put a L or X or T marker in close to tall silo and change every say 30min. Pilots would have to write down a time and the marker to prove they turned the marker!! Before being at Bellingen NSW the Igguldens came from Victoria where they did much of the early gliding around Tower Hill I seem to remember. There is old black and whit movie of Jack in a thermal then followed by a bit of a spin - no circuits those days! Jack spent time in Jail over the Port Phillip Bay development and he supported the greenies in early days around Bellingen. There was also a ABC ABC TV program done on Igguldens in there early days at Bellingen and they added gliding to the end of the program . If you go to dentist or before you go to sleep on operating table in hospital you may well see the label that says PLANET LIGHTING BELLINGEN NSW which is family company still going under Brett. Jack had daughter Reberta? (who also flew Libelle) and her children all did gliding at Keepit and do remember at least Graham Reece (Jack's grandson) did many solos. Jack's sister Grace died a few years ago and her husband Fred Hoinville wrote the book halfway to heaven (I think the book was written by Grace). There is something about the Olie the Yellow witch Jack did make a tape recording at Keepit of his version of history of Aust gliding. I think at some stage Edmund Schneider when he came to Australia lived under on of the Igguldens houses in Melbourne. I do know Jack was also a writer and wrote several books
Re: [Aus-soaring] Super Motor Falke and towing
Why would you want a taildragger 150/152 (even though they exist)? If you get a tricycle 150/152 that nearly every GA pilot trained on, they are a ready source of tug pilots (when endorsed). And you don't have all of the issues of ground handling that goes with a taildragger. Airframe 20k Engine 35k Conversion 15K = 70k Pretty rough figures across a couple of years - the engine may be more or less depending on condition. Also, most modded 150/152 have a recurring problem shaking the rivets out of the tailplane skins/spar, but with proper maintenance this risk is mitigated. Dave From: Colin Campbell colin.campb...@bendigogliding.org.au To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Fri, 1 October, 2010 10:04:54 AM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Super Motor Falke and towing Can anyone supply information on current cost purchase and conversion of C 152 to taildragger and 180 hp engine transplant and a LAME who has done it before? Colin C On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 9:37 AM, Mike Borgelt mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com wrote: As proved at Kingaroy over the last 20 years. Mike At 09:41 PM 30/09/2010, you wrote: One has to ask the question - why? If cost is the answer then a 180HP Cessna 150/152 is the best alternative. Tom --- On Wed, 29/9/10, Richard Skinner skinn...@bigpond.net.au wrote: From: Richard Skinner skinn...@bigpond.net.au Subject: [Aus-soaring] Super Motor Falke and towing To: Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Received: Wednesday, 29 September, 2010, 4:57 PM Does anybody out there have any information regarding the launching of gliders by Motor Falke, or indeed, any other motor glider that may be used to launch? I’m not aware of it in Australia but I understand that there may be some such happening in Europe? I am aware of Ultra lights acting as tugs but I’m specifically interested in motor gliders. Regards Richard Skinner skinn...@bigpond.net.au 08 8431 8249 0419 818 024 If you want to grow old as a pilot, you've got to know when to push it, and when to back off. Chuck Yeager P Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaringhttp://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring Borgelt Instruments - manufacturers of quality soaring instruments since 1978 phone Int'l + 61 746 355784 fax Int'l + 61 746 358796 cellphone Int'l + 61 428 355784 email: mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com website: www.borgeltinstruments.com ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Super Motor Falke and towing
I've had a tow behind a Super Dimona, two up in a moderately loaded Blanik. On a 15c day, with 10 knots of headwind, and 100ft AMSL we used about 2500ft for the combination to lift off from short grass. Initial acceleration and rate of climb was very modest (circa 300ft/min), and the entire experience could only be described as 'gentle'. Dave From: Mike Borgelt mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Wed, 29 September, 2010 6:07:24 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Super Motor Falke and towing I think the people at Caboolture have towed with a Super Dimona. Mike At 03:57 PM 29/09/2010, you wrote: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary==_NextPart_000_0052_01CB5FEA.C5DE7E70 Content-Language: en-au Does anybody out there have any information regarding the launching of gliders by Motor Falke, or indeed, any other motor glider that may be used to launch? I'm not aware of it in Australia but I understand that there may be some such happening in Europe? I am aware of Ultra lights acting as tugs but I'm specifically interested in motor gliders. Regards Richard Skinner mailto:skinn...@bigpond.net.auskinn...@bigpond.net.au 08 8431 8249 0419 818 024 If you want to grow old as a pilot, you've got to know when to push it, and when to back off. Chuck Yeager P Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring Borgelt Instruments - manufacturers of quality soaring instruments since 1978 phone Int'l + 61 746 355784 fax Int'l + 61 746 358796 cellphone Int'l + 61 428 355784 email: mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com website: www.borgeltinstruments.com ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] UK glider incidents
Or is it that the accidents/incidents are being reported? Who knows, they may actually learn how they are hurting themselves. Dave From: Christopher Mc Donnell wommamuku...@bigpond.com To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Thu, 19 August, 2010 4:11:22 PM Subject: [Aus-soaring] UK glider incidents The English seem to be having a bad time with accidents over their summer holidays. One serious each week for the last three weeks according to news sources. Chris ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Cool video
Sorry Mark - everything I said is true though!! Dave - Original Message From: Mark Newton new...@atdot.dotat.org To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Wed, 18 August, 2010 8:08:34 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Cool video On 18/08/2010, at 1:42 PM, Ben Loxton wrote: is indeed, anyone know how to do a roll in a glider havent got it to work properly myself whats the secret??? It's just like doing an outside loop, only sideways. :-) - mark I tried an internal modem,new...@atdot.dotat.org but it hurt when I walked. Mark Newton - Voice: +61-4-1620-2223 - Fax: +61-8-82231777 - ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Incident in the UK
Does anyone know anything about this? http://www.news.com.au/world/woman-killed-when-wings-fall-off-glider/story-e6frfkyi-1225904193456 Dave ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] MNav manual
Anyone know where I might get an MNav manual? Regards, Dave ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] MNav manual
Thanks everyone - got it - I did a google search but didn't turn up what you guys did!! Regards, Dave - Original Message From: g...@unimelb.edu.au g...@unimelb.edu.au To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Cc: g...@unimelb.edu.au Sent: Sat, 7 August, 2010 7:26:37 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] MNav manual Cambridge MNAV? That's a bit retro isn't it? http://www.uppsalafk.com/segel/dokumentation/flygdatorer/Cambridge_mnav_manual.pdf Greg O. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] iStuff
Is there anything else around like it, for a non-iphone i.e. for anything google android like HTC Desire phone? Dave From: Derek Ruddock derek.rudd...@optus.com.au To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Wed, 4 August, 2010 8:08:29 AM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] iStuff as Glidepath is not on the Apple app store, does it require a hacked phone? There is a NAIPS app available from Apple From:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Ben Loxton Sent: Tuesday, 3 August 2010 8:27 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] iStuff lol speaking of iStuff - anyone seen the GlidePath app - http://www.downloadcheapapp.com/glidepath-iphone-app-12114.html looks like it turns our iPhone into a OLC flight logger - valid for OLC claims and a backup for comps according to the maker - any word on weather this would be accepted for australian comps? Also, anyone else know any cool aviation and gliding related iPhone apps :-) Ben Sent on my MacBook :-P On 03/08/2010, at 8:16 PM, Christopher Mc Donnell wrote: Got my son an iPhone for his birthday the other week, and recently got my daughter an iPod for hers, and was dead chuffed when the family clubbed together and bought me an iPad for father’s day. I got my wife an iRon for her birthday. It was around then that the fight started.. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Australian Junior Gliding Club News
Hey Adam, it didn't work on IE8, either from the link or the re-direct. Dave From: Adam Webb u4536...@anu.edu.au To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Thu, 15 July, 2010 10:49:02 PM Subject: [Aus-soaring] Australian Junior Gliding Club News Evening All, The first newsletter (of recent times) is now available to download on the (new and shiny) Australian Junior Gliding Club website – www.ajgc.org.au. For anyone out there who doesn’t know who we are more info is also available on the website above. Any comments, suggestions or questions get in touch via this email or the website! Cheers, Adam Webb President AJGC ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Skynch
I'm against the use of radio to report speeds. We've had instances of other VHF radio users making spurious calls when the glider is being launched and if only for this reason then I am opposed to it. And I think the wing down aerotow retrieves is a bit of a red herring - two very different things!! Additionally, there are many gliders around that don't have boom mikes and I can see the scenario where it will become acceptable then to use hand-held mikes because 'we use the radio to report speeds'. It would be a completely unacceptable risk to have one hand fumbling around trying to hang up a mike when the rope broke! From: harry medlicott hw.medlic...@optusnet.com.au To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Thu, 27 May, 2010 5:40:58 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Skynch Hi Mike, We have speed conrol from the glider right now. Its called a VHF radio with a press to talk button on the control column and a boom mike. Calling down speeds to the winch driver is not that hard. Not perfect but we have the technolgy in most gliders. Just try and convince the GFA. They insist on all winch launch signals being given from outside the glider even though no problem with wing down aerotow retrieves. The word antedulvian springs to mind,. Harry M. - Original Message - From: Mike Borgelt mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 11:23 AM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Skynch Doesn't have to be electric. I've long been an advocate of putting the winch throttle in the glider pilot's hand. Sure beats using semaphore with the glider airframe. Mike At 10:39 AM 27/05/2010, you wrote: This would be interesting, but controlling a big electric winch. Good for weekday fliers who don't have a motor glider. They would have to be independant operators though. Would'nt they ! http://www.xcmag.com/2010/05/skynch/http://www.xcmag.com/2010/05/skynch/ ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring Borgelt Instruments - manufacturers of quality soaring instruments since 1978 phone Int'l + 61 746 355784 fax Int'l + 61 746 358796 cellphone Int'l + 61 428 355784 email: mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com website: www.borgeltinstruments.com ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2898 - Release Date: 05/27/10 04:26:00 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Skynch and launch coord over VHF
The wing tip runner does not 'manage' the take off process - the pilot does. There seems to be a trend whereby pilots think that the launch process is something that is controlled by the wing-runner and they are a passive participant - this is completely wrong. The take-off process does not happen without the express command of the pilot. Certainly, the wing runner can stop a launch if they see fit - the pilot can't see behind him/her which is why the launch continues to proceed after the 'all clear above and behind' call is made to clear the airspace. The pilot has the ultimate authority in the launch - it s called the release knob/handle. Over the years I've also seen a number of methods of communicating between launch point and winch/autotow in terms of signals - flashing headlights, wings waving up and down and signal bats. The advantage with them is that there is no interference. The great majority of gliders now have radios so the pilot is not out of the communications loop - they can monitor the radio calls and if there is any conflict, they can terminate the launch. The launch does not have to proceed just because the wing runner is waving 'full power' - pull the yellow handle!! I just wonder what is the reason for changing what we are presently doing? Old and dated methods - certainly!! But I haven't yet seen anyone write that it will make launching 'safer' which would be a prime motivator, only that we should use the radio because we can. From: Alan Wilson a...@ozemail.com.au To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Fri, 28 May, 2010 8:40:26 AM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Skynch and launch coord over VHF I agree with Harry. At glider launch we persist with [semaphore] signals used 50 years ago, whereby the wing tip runner [who is not in the communications loop] still manages the take off process. And I have seen winch clubs that coordinate launches on CB radio: that puts the glider pilot out of that communications loop. In 2010 that can now be greatly improved by the use of the VHF glider radio. The glider pilot can be in charge and in the comms loop. The same thing applies to aerotowing. The tug pilot, the aircraft on downwind, and the glider on tow may have all coordinated over VHF, but the wing tip runner, and the forward signaler are often out of that comms loop and stop a safe coordinated launch. Let's let the glider pilot give 'take up slack' and 'all out' on VHF radio. [and have the pilot manage the wing tip runner.] Alan Wilson -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of harry medlicott Sent: Thursday, 27 May 2010 5:41 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Skynch Hi Mike, We have speed conrol from the glider right now. Its called a VHF radio with a press to talk button on the control column and a boom mike. Calling down speeds to the winch driver is not that hard. Not perfect but we have the technolgy in most gliders. Just try and convince the GFA. They insist on all winch launch signals being given from outside the glider even though no problem with wing down aerotow retrieves. The word antedulvian springs to mind,. Harry M. - Original Message - From: Mike Borgelt mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 11:23 AM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Skynch Doesn't have to be electric. I've long been an advocate of putting the winch throttle in the glider pilot's hand. Sure beats using semaphore with the glider airframe. Mike At 10:39 AM 27/05/2010, you wrote: This would be interesting, but controlling a big electric winch. Good for weekday fliers who don't have a motor glider. They would have to be independant operators though. Would'nt they ! http://www.xcmag.com/2010/05/skynch/http://www.xcmag.com/2010/05/skynch/ ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring Borgelt Instruments - manufacturers of quality soaring instruments since 1978 phone Int'l + 61 746 355784 fax Int'l + 61 746 358796 cellphone Int'l + 61 428 355784 email: mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com website: www.borgeltinstruments.com ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database:
Re: [Aus-soaring] Wing Signals
Thanks Michael, particularly with respect to the speed and lowering the nose. If only ever this lesson was learned, then accidents/incidents would drop dramatically. At Harry's suggestion I cruised the BGA Safe Winch Site and looked at the simulations http://www.gliding.co.uk/bgainfo/safety/winch-safety.htm I don't know about the flick roll, but the spin and wing drop would definitely feature in our accident stats. Dave From: Texler, Michael michael.tex...@health.wa.gov.au To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Fri, 28 May, 2010 12:57:55 PM Subject: [Aus-soaring] Wing Signals Isn't radio just the least unreliable method? Radios are more likely to fail than controls, I would trust my control linkages more than the radio. Wing waggling at speeds close to the stall is likely to cause more exciting problems than a dud radio. I certainly hope no-one has let their speed drop that far and remained on the wire. If speed is slow on the launch, you should lower the nose prior to signalling. The thing that kills people on wire launching is spinning off the wire (i.e. not having enough airspeed prior to turning after a cable break). It takes up to six seconds from when the cable breaks to gaining safe speed after nosing over. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] New Non Controlled Aerodrome ops (hopefully useful rant)
Maybe a dud pilot! Dave From: Texler, Michael michael.tex...@health.wa.gov.au To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Thu, 20 May, 2010 1:32:22 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] New Non Controlled Aerodrome ops (hopefully useful rant) If a pilot says something on the radio, and nobody hears him, is he still there? According to the CASA dudes that spoke on Tuesday, they don't really care if you are in Class G airspace! The CASA police aren't listening to every transmission on 126.7 MHz live. Not even CENSAR uses your transmission (unless you are submitting/amending a SARTIME via radio), they base SARTIME on what you submit via your flight plan. The tapes are only listened to if you disappear or draw the attention of CASA for whatever reason. (Or the operator of the aerodrome so they can extract your rego and send you a bill for landing fees) Also: If a pilot says something on the radio, and nobody hears him, is he still there? Consider other possibilities for not being heard ;-) * Said pilot may have forgotten to turn on radio. * Said pilot may have forgotten to press the push to talk, or clipped the transmission (remember, press-pause-talk-pause-release). * Said pilot may have dud batteries, dud microphone or dud radio. * Said pilot may have forgotten to plug in headset! * Said pilot may be broadcasting on incorrect frequency (a common cause of this is forgetting to flip-flop the frequencies i.e. finger trouble). This can also happen if you have two radios on board (not common in gliders) and you select the incorrect radio to transmit on (i.e. transmitting on COM2 instead of COM1) * Receiving pilot/person may be on incorrect frequency. * Receiving station may have squelch at wrong level. * Receiving station may have volume turned down too low. * Receiving station may have dud speakers, dud radio, dud batteries. Oh yes, so many ways not to be heard.;-) Did anyone hear that? I do believe I still exist... ;-) Cheers from outwestdownunder Michael T. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Proposed Euro Rules of the Air
Got a 404 error from that link Mike - any other suggestions? There's nothing on the index page to help either. Dave From: Mike Borgelt mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Fri, 14 May, 2010 7:11:38 AM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Proposed Euro Rules of the Air The Euro stupidity continues: www.gliding.co.uk/bgainfoconsultation.htm Mike Borgelt Instruments - manufacturers of quality soaring instruments since 1978 phone Int'l + 61 746 355784 fax Int'l + 61 746 358796 cellphone Int'l + 61 428 355784 email: mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com website: www.borgeltinstruments.com ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] GPS Logger question
Hi Brian, how much you want to pay will largely determine what you will buy. Very few instruments are small enough to fit in the pocket - the FlywithCE does however and is about $150 from Al Sim at Go Soaring. It also has limited ability to claim badge flights later down the track. If you just want something that has the ability to create an IGC file (no badges) for later viewing then an old Garmin12 or Garmin 12XL will do but they're getting a bit dated now. Ebay has them for between$50-$100, but they won't fit in your pocket but will go in a side pocket of the aircraft or on a mount. They have the advantage as well of presenting information on their small display. Or you could borrow a mates FLARM and mount it in your aircraft - that will do the trick too. Lots of options. Dave From: Brian Smith briansm...@optusnet.com.au To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Tue, 11 May, 2010 8:18:01 PM Subject: [Aus-soaring] GPS Logger question Hi all, I know this type of question has been asked a lot, but I’ve searched the threads and I’m not clear. I’m a student pilot and want to get a simple GPSlogger to display my flights on Google Earth for my own enjoyment (ie no plans to make badge claims and the like yet). I want to be able to carry it in my pocket and download the file later to my PC to display as a kml or igc file. I’ve seen two mentioned – a Wintec G-Trender which has a screen and a Holux M1200E which is more compact, no screen and is Bluetooth (though a USBdata cable is available). Has anyone had any experience with these units and know whether they can do what I want, or can recommend a cheap compact device to do what I want it to do please? Cheers smith ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] GPS Logger question
Yes, output *.igc trace has altitude. Estimated position error unknown. No pressure altitude makes it invalid for badges where a barograph required. Put through SeeYou does all the usual stuff. Dave From: Mike Borgelt mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Wed, 12 May, 2010 2:09:00 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] GPS Logger question Does this thing record GPS altitude? Mike At 08:16 AM 12/05/2010, you wrote: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary==_NextPart_000_008F_01CAF1AB.654087F0 Content-Language: en-au Hello Brian, As mentioned we have flywithCE that suits your purposes. Click on the following link to see product details - http://www.gosoaring.com.au/flywithce.phphttp://www.gosoaring.com.au/flywithce.php Please don't hesitate to call if you have any questions. Regards, Al Go Soaring Why should the birds have all the fun! 61 7 5499 4636 / 0405 497 595 www.gosoaring.com.htmwww.gosoaring.com.au Borgelt Instruments - manufacturers of quality soaring instruments since 1978 phone Int'l + 61 746 355784 fax Int'l + 61 746 358796 cellphone Int'l + 61 428 355784 email: mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com website: www.borgeltinstruments.com ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Aus-soaring Digest, Vol 79, Issue 45
Totally agree, keep them coming Robert! Your site has some good information, and all of us could benefit from any information that will help us. Regards, Dave From: erich wittstock deepb...@gmail.com To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Thu, 29 April, 2010 4:49:53 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Aus-soaring Digest, Vol 79, Issue 45 I quite like that particular weather report - although it is not quite for the area I fly here near the coast. Robert's report is also an educational reference. We need more met literate people. Four list entries per month... keep it up, Robert! Erich On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 3:51 PM, David Lawley davidlaw...@hotmail.com wrote: Robert, Is it really necesary to tell the whole of the country that a QLD weather report is available? Do you not have a mailing list for your State association? If not it might be an idea to start one. Dave L Find it at CarPoint.com.au New, Used, Demo, Dealer or Private? ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Another video - different camera angle
I'm just curious about what type of check flight this was? They can have various flavours, but I've got some serious issues about this one, even at the most basic level. Dave From: John Parncutt jparn...@bigpond.net.au To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Sun, 11 April, 2010 7:42:10 PM Subject: [Aus-soaring] Another video - different camera angle Hi, For those interested here’s my most recent video taken at Bacchus Marsh on Saturday. Matthew Milsom in the front seat having a check flight with Alan Payne our CFI. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iu0fbph5-Aw Cheers, John ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Laser wind sensor
For me it's a bit of a Science vs Art argument. The instrument will help to find the next thermal (within range of the instrument) but says nothing about how the day is developing in 5/10/30/60/120 minutes. The horizontal component (as well as the vertical) may be useful in shear. Interesting though!! Dave From: Robert Hart ha...@interweft.com.au To: Soaring in Australia aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Wed, 17 February, 2010 6:57:06 PM Subject: [Aus-soaring] Laser wind sensor Hi I just came across this - read more at http://www.oads.com/programs/vindicator This unit has a range out to 300m and senses vertical and horizontal winds. The vertical bit sounds very interesting to a glider pilot! WHilst this unit's weight and power requirements are beyong the capabilities of a glider, I am sure that the weight can he significantly reduced if all that was required was to fee into an existing glass cockpit system. I wonder how long it will be before we see something like this in gliders? -- Robert Hart ha...@interweft.com.au +61 (0)438 385 533 http://www.hart.wattle.id.au __ Yahoo!7: Catch-up on your favourite Channel 7 TV shows easily, legally, and for free at PLUS7. www.tv.yahoo.com.au/plus7___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Average versus median (I am being Mr. Picky...)
For cultural bias, have a look at the BITCH-100 test. Dave From: Mike Cleaver wom...@netspeed.com.au To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Mon, 15 February, 2010 2:30:27 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Average versus median (I am being Mr. Picky...) Another bloody pedant statistician! Paul, have you identified the one who is the mean and median, and is half of him (or her) above and half below? Or is this average also the mode, as it should be with a Gaussian distribution? In that case there will be more people of average (modal) intelligence than any other single value of intellegence, but still 68% of people will be within one standard deviation of average (mean, median, mode). (Somehow, I doubt that it really is an idealised bell-curve, as those with grossly below whichever average you care to compare are likely to have less chance of survival than those above it. Further it was claimed somewhere that Albert Einstein had an IQ of 210. I suppose it is possible for someone to have an IQ of less than zero if they consistently get every question wrong on an IQ test, even given more than the permitted time to answer the questions.) Of course, this also depends on intelligence being defined as the ability to perform in IQ tests - which I find to be only one of a number of ways to interpret intelligence. IQ tests are also extremely culturally biased! Some might even consider it intelligent or smart to provoke people and then claim money through the legal system for perceived or manufactured injury - I consider that kind of legal system to be not very intelligent at all. Wombat Another bloody pedant statistician (or is that a peasant with blocked nasal passages?) At 14:57 15/02/2010, you wrote: On 15 February 2010 13:13, Texler, Michael michael.tex...@health.wa.gov.au wrote: Reminds me of a faux-statistic: Of 250 million Americans, half of them are below average intelligence :) Half of them would be below the median intelligence. Correction to the correction :) Well only if there is an even number of them, otherwise it would not be. On the other hand if intelligence follows a normal distribution, which is the generally accepted fact, then mean equals the median in which case the original statement is correct Cheers Paul ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] FlyWithCE Position Recorder
Tim, can you let us know if there are any pending approvals or applications? The reason I ask this is that I could go and buy the FlywithCE flight recorder and then some of my existing equipment becomes approved i.e. a Garmin 72 GPS and Joey Barograph. Regards, Dave From: Tim Shirley tshir...@internode.on.net To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Mon, 15 February, 2010 3:38:29 PM Subject: [Aus-soaring] FlyWithCE Position Recorder Hi all, The FlyWithCE flight recorder has been approved as a Position Recorder in Australia. Details of the approval are on the GFA Website (or will be shortly). This means that from today it can be used for the verification of distance and duration when claiming Silver and Gold badges. As the device does not contain a pressure sensor, height verification (including for the verification of start and finish heights) will require a barograph to be carried. Details of the device can be found through the website of the local agent, at www.gosoaring.com.au. Cheers Tim __ Yahoo!7: Catch-up on your favourite Channel 7 TV shows easily, legally, and for free at PLUS7. www.tv.yahoo.com.au/plus7___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Aus-soaring Digest, Vol 77, Issue 12
No David, you've got five to go. If you take out the medically caused incident (he could have done that in his shower or car, so it doesn't count) that's 5 to go. - the multi-list page actually only had two accidents. And just to refresh your memory; 'I can post at least 10 links to fatal accident reports form last year if you wish. You are fooling yourself Dave.' Dave From: David Lawley davidlaw...@hotmail.com To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Wed, 10 February, 2010 2:09:00 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Aus-soaring Digest, Vol 77, Issue 12 I wish you would post the links. Using Google I can find no coherent list of links about glider accidents. Sure Peter, There is no coherent list on goolge, just have a look at links below, which are from a search for glider crash on google. http://www.theage.com.au/national/man-killed-in-gliding-accident-20091108-i3ds.html http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/3178700/Glider-crash-victim-named http://static.search.news.com.au/related/id:story|24273872/0/?us=ndmnewssid=2r=related http://www.gstaadlife.com/2010/02/reason-for-plane-crash-resolved.html http://www.aol.com.au/news/story/Man-dies-in-NZ-glider-crash-1-other-injured/1737981/index.html Dont have time to do more right now, here is 5 to keep you going, if you want more just google glider crash. Dave L Browse profiles for FREE View photos of singles in your area! __ Yahoo!7: Catch-up on your favourite Channel 7 TV shows easily, legally, and for free at PLUS7. www.tv.yahoo.com.au/plus7___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Aus-soaring Digest, Vol 77, Issue 12
Please stir - I think you've hit the nub of the issue and it is that we must begin to 'own' the problem, admit to the deficiencies (wherever they may exist whether they are systemic or organisational) to commit to learn and improve. However, I don't know if it's a valid metric to compare our operations versus some other aviation sports for a variety of reasons - that is not to obfuscate, but we've got to compare oranges with oranges (a really tired analogy, I know). Dave From: DMcD slutsw...@gmail.com To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Wed, 10 February, 2010 8:36:38 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Aus-soaring Digest, Vol 77, Issue 12 I have to say (anonymously) that I think in the sailplane community, we are delusional about the accident rate. It once was that hang gliders and paragliders were the record breakers, but right now, I can't own up to my wife that recently, in Australia, sailplanes have been at least as bad as those sports and from my count, worse. And there are far more of them than us. I'm not interested in stirring up the rest of this current thread's issues, but I think this aspect is important. Things are getting better not safer, but we are beginning to own up to our accident rate and publicly examine the reasons and fixes. Once a year, the BGA publish their results in SG. I think it overlaps a few issues. I'm waiting for us to do that. HGFA members have to report all incidents and accidents and although a few slip through the cracks, I'm waiting for us to do that. All we need to admit to is that things are not as good as they can be... and think about ways to make them better See the BGA winch safety initiative. D ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring __ Yahoo!7: Catch-up on your favourite Channel 7 TV shows easily, legally, and for free at PLUS7. www.tv.yahoo.com.au/plus7___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Lecture series
Hi GQ Members, To facilitate the ongoing development of soaring skills of glider pilots in Queensland, GQ coaches have initiated a lecture series that will be ongoing over the coming months. The first such lecture will be conducted on Tuesday the 23rd of February. Where: The 2 Wing AAFC building on Bonanza Avenue, Archerfield Airport. When: Tuesday 23rd of February starting at 18:30 to 21:00. Light refreshments will be provided on the night; sandwiches, tea, coffee, biscuits, cakes etc. What: The topics being presented are: Lecture Topic Presenter # 1 Thermalling and finding lift Hank Kauffman # 2 GPC and coaching Peter Trotter RSVP: Please RSVP to secret...@glidingqueensland.org.au so we can get an idea of numbers for catering etc. Future Sessions: Lecture Series #2 is planned for Tue 27th Apr, so keep this date free too: Lecture Topic Presenter # 3 Glider and equipment preparation Greg Schmidt # 4 Mental preparation Lisa Trotter Hope to see you there, Gav. Regards, Gavin Foster Secretary - Gliding Queensland Phone: 0411.021.664 Email: secret...@glidingqueensland.org.au __ Yahoo!7: Catch-up on your favourite Channel 7 TV shows easily, legally, and for free at PLUS7. www.tv.yahoo.com.au/plus7___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Aus-soaring Digest, Vol 77, Issue 14
Well, no - you wrote that you could supply the information. 'I invite you to say that to the people involved in adrenaline sports in person, I would enjoy seeing the results'. - I think the implied threat is unnecessary or do you need someone else to do you dirty-work? You still haven't answered any of my original questions about how you intend to make a difference, whether it is to safety or marketing. What are you going to do? And why are you so angry? And sending yourself e-mails of support is pretty lame. Dave From: David Lawley davidlaw...@hotmail.com To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Thu, 11 February, 2010 8:06:32 AM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Aus-soaring Digest, Vol 77, Issue 14 Hi all, No David, you've got five to go. If you take out the medically caused incident (he could have done that in his shower or car, so it doesn't count) that's 5 to go. - the multi-list page actually only had two accidents. And just to refresh your memory; 'I can post at least 10 links to fatal accident reports form last year if you wish. You are fooling yourself Dave.' Dave, even though YOU were not the person who asked for the info, and are either too stupid or lazy to do the simple google search I mentioned; http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/3007881/Glider-crash-pilot-dies http://www.unionleader.com/article.aspx?articleId=7f4c9389-21e7-4261-8000-5b7c24f20944headline=Founder+of+Charlestown+firm+dies+in+glider+crash http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/man-dies-in-glider-crash-1704969.html http://www.finalternatives.com/node/8427 http://www.maritimenz.govt.nz/news/media-releases-2007/20071221a.asp And there are 3,600 more results, some of which are duplications of course. Your pathetic bleat about ad-hominems gave me a good laugh too, when you go round showing your intolerance and arrogance such as refering to a group of people some of whom I count as friends as garbage you openly invite a suitable response. If you dont like the heat stay out of the kitchen Dave I am sure you can work out how to unsubscribe-eventually! I invite you to say that to the people involved in adrenaline sports in person, I would enjoy seeing the results. When you write such rubbish, you make me doubt that you have anything to offer marketing and development. Thanks for the royal appointment though! I also got a good laugh that you think that joining a commitee will improve safety. Thanks to Tom for putting into words the point I was trying to make about the perception of danger. An off list mail I got about your reply said it best; moron from boonah, dont lose any sleep over it, they just aint worth the trouble, its like wrestling a pig in mud, pretty soon you work out that the pig likes it. And I agree so I wont be responding to any more of your drivel. Dave L Find out now Link all your email accounts and social updates with Hotmail. __ Yahoo!7: Catch-up on your favourite Channel 7 TV shows easily, legally, and for free at PLUS7. www.tv.yahoo.com.au/plus7___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Jack Osborne show was rubbish
I thought it was absolute crap, and did nothing for the image of gliding. The segment started with (words to the effect) sure it's dangerous, they crash all the time. Great stuff. It was also shown after a segment where they all went bungee jumping so is this where we want our sport to be positioned, and the type of people we will attract? Garbage like this we don't need. If people are attracted to the sport for the perceived danger, then we're going about this the wrong way. And for the people who say 'any publicity is good publicity' ought to watch this drivel and rethink their stance. From: David Lawley davidlaw...@hotmail.com To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Tue, 9 February, 2010 7:45:19 AM Subject: [Aus-soaring] Jack Osborne show. Hi all, I saw the gliding segment of the Jack Osbourne adrenalin junkie show last night on ABC2, and to my surprise it was quite good, 4 flights shown including loops and a spin and both winch and aerotow launching. A twin Astir waqs used, alond with some shots of a K13 in the air. For those who missed it the show will be available from the ABC's excellent ivew website for the next 2 weeks. Worth a look, the camera work was well done, (With professional cameras and chase plane etc) and showed a good image of gliding. Ineterestingly, the older lady in the group, who had a past fear of flying said she would do it again. Regards Dave L If It Exists, You'll Find it on SEEK Shopping Trolley Mechanic __ Yahoo!7: Catch-up on your favourite Channel 7 TV shows easily, legally, and for free at PLUS7. www.tv.yahoo.com.au/plus7___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] TV portrayal.
Thanks Tom - I broadly agree with all that you've written. However, it seems to be a matter of target marketing and market segmentation. I'd suggest that the junior demographic would be more likely to be attracted to the 'thrill/danger' aspect, whereas the older demographic could be attracted to other attributes of the sport i.e. peaceful/serenity/low-stress etc. It seems to me we need to ask all of the market segments how and why they go into the sport and what is keepin them. The most critical aspect to it all is, as you said 'As long as they do it in a way that keeps them and the aircraft safe'. There is no doubt in my mind that if the sport doesn't change how it attracts (and retains) member it will continue to slowly die. I'm concerned about that so I spent a recent weekend at the GFA Annual Marketing and Development meeting, and learned a considerable amount (no life - just gliding!!). There is a wealth of information on the GFA web-site to assist clubs. The market that we are in has changed and we have so many more competitors and choices (ultralight/hangies/jellyfish etc.) that a re-think is absolutely necessary. The barriers to entry seem to be lower as people have higher disposable incomes (generally). However, I'm a bit ambivalent about going down the thrill/danger road and we would need to stay right on top of the expectation management. And how much do we want to attract members at any cost? From my experience the thrill-seekers don't stick around for very long and go on to the next thrill. AEF's are typically regarded (wrongly) as a revenue stream, rather than every one of them being an opportunity to sign up a new member. Are we really putting a realistic representation of the sport out there when the AEF is done in the K-21 (the white shiny one), they ante up their membership money and are then told their training is going to be done in the 30/40yr old trainer? That was my main gripe with the footage last night. Regards, Dave From: Tom Wilksch tom.wilk...@internode.on.net To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Tue, 9 February, 2010 2:24:52 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] TV portrayal. Your solution seems to be to make the sport appear more dangerous in order to attract new members. Is that what you really want? Suck them in and then say 'nah, it's not really that dangerous. OK, I lied, but I got your membership money'. I think that is a perspective taken from someone who has been flying for a long time and knows, just as we all do, that gliding is generally a safe sport. However that is not the position of most people watching (and staring on) the show. For them, just going up in a glider seems 'dangerous'. Of course none of them would have actually done any of the activities on the show if they actually were dangerous. They were safe the whole time. It's the percieved danger that they were after. So no - we don't want the sport to appear dangerous, but certainly it is good to appeal to people who are looking for a thrill. To them, the winch launch, loop and spin that we saw was dare devil stuff. If someone wants to go gliding for the same reason they want to go bungee jumping, who cares? As long as they do it in a way that keeps them and the aircraft safe. As you pointed out, the 'crash all the time' comment was stupid, but outher than that I thought the show would have helped the sport. We are hardly in a position to be fussy about who joins out clubs. As long as they are safe and enthusiastic, come one come all! Tom __ Yahoo!7: Catch-up on your favourite Channel 7 TV shows easily, legally, and for free at PLUS7. www.tv.yahoo.com.au/plus7___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] NAIPS for iPhone - yes you can!!
Hi Cath, I just emailed Boyd Moody who is the AusFIC Group Leader - Data; Australian Flight Information Centre (AusFIC) at Air Services Australia, who says that the developer has an agreement with AsA for the program and NAIPS access. The tool will allow a flight plan to be submitted and this is highly desirable. So the answer is 'yes', get the app and use it! And this is from the guy who co-ordinates all of this stuff for Australia. For PeterS, I suspect the issue is that you're trying to access NAIPS by web on your phone, rather than running an app over the IPhone. Regards, Dave I used my iPhone once to file a flight plan on the ground at Cobar. It worked well. From: Catherine Conway con...@agile.com.au To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Wed, 3 February, 2010 9:12:22 AM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] NAIPS for iPhone Does this mean they now deny you the ability to do that or just say they don't want you to? -Cath On 03/02/2010, at 12:19 AM, Peter Stephenson wrote: Just been to an Airservices safety briefing where NAIPS was demonstrated and there was a message: this site is not for PDA/3G access PeterS Stuart Kerri Ferguson wrote: Guys, For those of you with an iPhone there is a real neat application that allows you NAIPS access on your iPhone SDF E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.1.0.447) Database version: 6.13400 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring __ Yahoo!7: Catch-up on your favourite Channel 7 TV shows easily, legally, and for free at PLUS7. www.tv.yahoo.com.au/plus7___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Aus-soaring Digest, Vol 75, Issue 21
No way - Blaniks and K13 are superb trainers. Anything that you've got to hang weights off to make it spin is not good enough as a trainer. A trainer has to 'bite' if ill treated, just like the 70% percent of gliders out there. Puchtrucks are OK and do most things admirably including spinning. The only bad thing about Blaniks is that they are a dog to maintain and the instructor has to do everything with mirrors in the back, otherwise they handle beautifully. From: gavin wrigley gavi...@hotmail.com To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Fri, 18 December, 2009 8:54:06 AM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Aus-soaring Digest, Vol 75, Issue 21 I reely reely reely hope this does not slide into another Blanik bashing exercise! From: derek.rudd...@optus.com.au To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 08:48:55 +1100 Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Aus-soaring Digest, Vol 75, Issue 21 Yup, you’re wrong J When I was looking for a club to learn at, I tried a couple and rejected them because instead of sleek white fibreglass machines they had crappy old K13’s Cheers Derek -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Gary Stevenson Sent: Friday, 18 December 2009 1:08 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Aus-soaring Digest, Vol 75, Issue 21 Ian, I love the passion of your statements, but REALLY, is a good sideslipping characteristic, a major reason to love a Bergy - and hate a Puchatek? In any event Mr Quinn seems to think that the sideslipping characteristic of the Puchatek is awesome. I have not flown a Bergfalke. (or a Puchatek for that matter), and I am tempted to add Thank God. However I have never yet encountered a student that has ever complained (in their abinitio days at least), about their first training machine, and said straight off that it is inadequate - or worse! In fact, even when these people have gained enough flying experience, and flown enough different types, and are therefore in a position to be able to make some sort of rational comparison, they ALL still regard the ship that they did their initial training in, with a certain degree of fondness, despite its foibles and shortcomings. I will add here (and every club committee member should keep this very much in the forefront of their thinking when they are pondering over replacing their aged trainer), that the viewpoint of a new student will (almost always), be very different to their own. Where the committee member sees a tired old hack, the student who has just come to the club and knows nothing (but truly wishes to fly), will see the answer to his/her dreams -a thing of beauty, and a rare and spirited steed, that will take them into another world. and indeed they are perfectly correct! Think about your own experience, and then dare to call me wrong! Regards, Gary - Original Message - From:Ian Mc Phee To:Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Sent:Thursday, December 17, 2009 11:37 PM Subject:Re: [Aus-soaring] Aus-soaring Digest, Vol 75, Issue 21 Give me a Bergfalke anyday-thats why I left Keepit - that crap KRO3A (a Puchateshit) I hate them - they have no character - Bergfalke 3 is the worlds best sided slipper bar none.- ask about 600 people who have done their first solo in a bergfalke..Macca 2009/12/16 rquinn rqu...@adelaide.on.net Shouldn’t be a problem. With that big elevator the Puchatek goes over easily from 95kts. Takes a fair bit more dive to get from there to VNE – it ain’t exactly a slippery ship! It does do an awesome sideslip. Redmond From:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Ben Jones Sent: Wednesday, 16 December 2009 9:39 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject:Re: [Aus-soaring] Aus-soaring Digest, Vol 75, Issue 21 There is nothing wrong with a aircraft with a loop entry speed a couple of knots below VNE, It makes a man out of you 8-) Regards Ben VH-WKR driver sometimes - Original Message - From:Stuart Welsby To:Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Sent:Wednesday, December 16, 2009 6:49 PM Subject:Re: [Aus-soaring] Aus-soaring Digest, Vol 75, Issue 21 Very cruel. KRF is much loved and has been badly missed while the wings have been recovered. It's not a hot ship to fly but it is getting off the ground and does the job for us pretty well. We look forward to it flying again soon, If I can just locate those scales! Stuart W - Original Message - From:David Lawley To:aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent:Wednesday, December 16, 2009 8:04 AM Subject:Re: [Aus-soaring] Aus-soaring Digest, Vol 75, Issue 21 But why would you take
Re: [Aus-soaring] NSW Weighing scales
But why would you take Puchatek wings to the nationals? Dave From: Stuart Welsby sswel...@smartchat.net.au To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Tue, 15 December, 2009 2:25:01 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] NSW Weighing scales I'm hoping someone can help me with the location of the NSW Ass glider weighing scales. Central Coast GC is in need of them to get our Puchatek flying after recovering the wings. Apprently they went to Keepit for the Nationals. Any info appreciated. Replies offgroup to sswel...@smartchat.net.au Thanks in advance Stuart Welsby ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring __ Win 1 of 4 Sony home entertainment packs thanks to Yahoo!7. Enter now: http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset/___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Reflex car launching
About 1000m useable and about 1200agl on average, depending on amount of headwind. No poling allowed!! Dave From: Dave Long Cath Lincoln cathd...@internode.on.net To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Thu, 26 November, 2009 10:10:56 AM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Reflex car launching What is your strip length, and what sort of altitudes do you get? Dave Long From:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Dave Donald Sent: Wednesday, 25 November 2009 10:12 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Reflex car launching At Boonah we use an Auto-tow system with a 2-to-1 reduction and rope. The rope goes from the glider, around a fixed pulley (fixed in the ground but spins), under the F250 which has a pulley mounted horizontally and then back to a fixed point (the bottom of the fixed pulley) and attached by a shackle that can rotate. The launch vehicle is an F250 v8 that does the launch effortlessly. The rope is 10mm poly and absorbs any surges/thermals and provides a very smooth launch. The good thing about this system is that the launch vehicle actually heads towards the glider (from the other end of the strip) as part of the launch. The glider is always visible during the launch. When the glider releases the launch vehicle continues on and lays the rope at the launch point for the next launch. The impact on the surface of the strip (grass) due to the rope is minimal as are the sand tyres on the F250. While not as strictly 'reflex' launching as requested, it is still a very useful way of getting aircraft in the air (for $8). Regards, Dave __ Win 1 of 4 Sony home entertainment packs thanks to Yahoo!7. Enter now: http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset/___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Cambridge Connection Problem
Adam, I've got a standard Targus usb/serial port converter and from memory have to use a null modem cable with the (older) EW Model d logger. The manual describes the lead as being 'special'. With the null modem cable the EW works faultlessly after the correct ports are assigned in the system to match the software. Dave From: Mike Borgelt mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Thu, 26 November, 2009 4:36:13 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Cambridge Connection Problem At 04:07 PM 26/11/2009, you wrote: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary==_NextPart_000_0084_01CA6EBA.E1AA7EA0 Content-Language: en-au Good stuff, some connectors apparently have the data wires reversed ? Alan First I've heard of that but it could be true. The DB9 end of the USb to serial should be wired like the serial port on a PC. I guess some may have pins 2 and 3 swapped. In which case you need a null modem adapter which swaps them again. Mike Borgelt Instruments - manufacturers of quality soaring instruments since 1978 phone Int'l + 61 746 355784 fax Int'l + 61 746 358796 cellphone Int'l + 61 428 355784 email: mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com website: www.borgeltinstruments.com ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring __ Win 1 of 4 Sony home entertainment packs thanks to Yahoo!7. Enter now: http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset/___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Reflex car launching
At Boonah we use an Auto-tow system with a 2-to-1 reduction and rope. The rope goes from the glider, around a fixed pulley (fixed in the ground but spins), under the F250 which has a pulley mounted horizontally and then back to a fixed point (the bottom of the fixed pulley) and attached by a shackle that can rotate. The launch vehicle is an F250 v8 that does the launch effortlessly. The rope is 10mm poly and absorbs any surges/thermals and provides a very smooth launch. The good thing about this system is that the launch vehicle actually heads towards the glider (from the other end of the strip) as part of the launch. The glider is always visible during the launch. When the glider releases the launch vehicle continues on and lays the rope at the launch point for the next launch. The impact on the surface of the strip (grass) due to the rope is minimal as are the sand tyres on the F250. While not as strictly 'reflex' launching as requested, it is still a very useful way of getting aircraft in the air (for $8). Regards, Dave From: opsw...@bigpond.net.au opsw...@bigpond.net.au To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Cc: cub...@vic.chariot.net.au Sent: Wed, 25 November, 2009 8:38:59 AM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Reflex car launching Ron, I'm doing some work with synthetic helicopter long lines that have zero stretch so there is no stored energy in case they break. Will ask some questions about the rope suitability. it is far better than steel cables. Was looked at as an alternate for aerotow at a couple of nsw clubs. I did a lot of work with Eric Sweet at one site using a pully system to keep the vehicle speed down and using the mechanical advantage. There was some postings or pictures on a chat site, possibly this one in the early days showing pulley systems and synthetic rope. Cheers Peter Heath cub...@vic.chariot.net.au wrote: Hi Ron, we did some reflex launching at Bacchus a while back (10-15 years?) and it was good fun. We used aerotow rope, approx 1000 feet if my memory is correct - the stretch meant that you could actually get (slightly) greater altitude than that. I can't remember the car speed as it took off down the runway, but 60-70kph sound familiar. You'll just have to try that one. The speed was certainly a lot less than people think it needs to be. The really exciting part is after you leave the ground and due to the reduction in drag the rope starts to shrink (un-stretch) which gives you the same feeling as a cable break or loss of power with a winch lanch. If you keep the nose down the rope continues to shrink and you have a major problem, so the solution is to trust in some greater being and just keep pulling back and hope that the rope really hasn't broken - not a good feeling and goes against all of your training. If you pull back the rope (eventually) goes tight again and you have a lovely launch. We did it for a while but then fear took over and we resorted to normal auto tow, with heights achieved not much less than the reflex. Terry On Wed, Nov 25th, 2009 at 12:07 AM, Ron Sanders resand...@gmail.com wrote: Does anybody remember the old reflex launch I am not sure if it was ever legal but at Cunderdin I can remember sitting in a Kooka and upon the ready advice the car took off straight down the runway at full bore with no uptake of the slack or anything---the shock was absorbed by a flexible (nylon??) rope section which somewhat later after its rapid extension would give back all that energy after which you then did a normal auto tow. I am after approximate lengths of rope and stretch part that people might have used in those days if anyone remembers. Might do it again for a laugh one day!! Ron ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring __ Win 1 of 4 Sony home entertainment packs thanks to Yahoo!7. Enter now: http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset/___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit:
Re: [Aus-soaring] Reflex car launching
Got some at home Cath - will send to your email address tonight. Dave From: Catherine Conway con...@agile.com.au To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Wed, 25 November, 2009 12:02:41 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Reflex car launching Any pics Dave? -Cath On 25/11/2009, at 9:41 AM, Dave Donald wrote: At Boonah we use an Auto-tow system with a 2-to-1 reduction and rope. The rope goes from the glider, around a fixed pulley (fixed in the ground but spins), under the F250 which has a pulley mounted horizontally and then back to a fixed point (the bottom of the fixed pulley) and attached by a shackle that can rotate. The launch vehicle is an F250 v8 that does the launch effortlessly. The rope is 10mm poly and absorbs any surges/thermals and provides a very smooth launch. The good thing about this system is that the launch vehicle actually heads towards the glider (from the other end of the strip) as part of the launch. The glider is always visible during the launch. When the glider releases the launch vehicle continues on and lays the rope at the launch point for the next launch. The impact on the surface of the strip (grass) due to the rope is minimal as are the sand tyres on the F250. While not as strictly 'reflex' launching as requested, it is still a very useful way of getting aircraft in the air (for $8). Regards, Dave From: opsw...@bigpond.net.au opsw...@bigpond.net.au To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Cc: cub...@vic.chariot.net.au Sent: Wed, 25 November, 2009 8:38:59 AM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Reflex car launching Ron, I'm doing some work with synthetic helicopter long lines that have zero stretch so there is no stored energy in case they break. Will ask some questions about the rope suitability. it is far better than steel cables. Was looked at as an alternate for aerotow at a couple of nsw clubs. I did a lot of work with Eric Sweet at one site using a pully system to keep the vehicle speed down and using the mechanical advantage. There was some postings or pictures on a chat site, possibly this one in the early days showing pulley systems and synthetic rope. Cheers Peter Heath __ Win 1 of 4 Sony home entertainment packs thanks to Yahoo!7. Enter now: http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset/___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Reflex car launching
The glider drops the rope - there is no parachute - and it falls in a straight line behind the launch vehicle. Very little lay-off is required. Since there is a pulley under the launch vehicle the rope (going towards the fixed pulley) continues to feed through the fixed pulley and the launch vehicle pulley. The rope then comes off the fixed pulley (as the vehicle continues to drive) and is then only attached to the launch vehicle pulley and the end fixed point (which is at the fixed pulley) . The launch vehicle continues to the launch point. Slightly after the launch point the end of the rope and rings are drawn through the vehicle pulley and are then free. Sounds confusing, but works well in practice. Dave From: Peter Stephenson p...@internode.on.net To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Wed, 25 November, 2009 12:26:14 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Reflex car launching Dave Donald wrote: At Boonah we use an Auto-tow system with a 2-to-1 reduction and rope. The rope goes from the glider, around a fixed pulley (fixed in the ground but spins), under the F250 which has a pulley mounted horizontally and then back to a fixed point (the bottom of the fixed pulley) and attached by a shackle that can rotate. The launch vehicle is an F250 v8 that does the launch effortlessly. The rope is 10mm poly and absorbs any surges/thermals and provides a very smooth launch. The good thing about this system is that the launch vehicle actually heads towards the glider (from the other end of the strip) as part of the launch. The glider is always visible during the launch. When the glider releases the launch vehicle continues on and lays the rope at the launch point for the next launch. After the glider release, presumably the rope attached to the vehicle pulley is taken off the pulley on the vehicle and allowed to run free back to the fixed end? PeterS The impact on the surface of the strip (grass) due to the rope is minimal as are the sand tyres on the F250. While not as strictly 'reflex' launching as requested, it is still a very useful way of getting aircraft in the air (for $8). Regards, Dave From: opsw...@bigpond.net.au opsw...@bigpond.net.au To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Cc: cub...@vic.chariot.net.au Sent: Wed, 25 November, 2009 8:38:59 AM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Reflex car launching Ron, I'm doing some work with synthetic helicopter long lines that have zero stretch so there is no stored energy in case they break. Will ask some questions about the rope suitability. it is far better than steel cables. Was looked at as an alternate for aerotow at a couple of nsw clubs. I did a lot of work with Eric Sweet at one site using a pully system to keep the vehicle speed down and using the mechanical advantage. There was some postings or pictures on a chat site, possibly this one in the early days showing pulley systems and synthetic rope. Cheers Peter Heath cub...@vic.chariot.net.au wrote: Hi Ron, we did some reflex launching at Bacchus a while back (10-15 years?) and it was good fun. We used aerotow rope, approx 1000 feet if my memory is correct - the stretch meant that you could actually get (slightly) greater altitude than that. I can't remember the car speed as it took off down the runway, but 60-70kph sound familiar. You'll just have to try that one. The speed was certainly a lot less than people think it needs to be. The really exciting part is after you leave the ground and due to the reduction in drag the rope starts to shrink (un-stretch) which gives you the same feeling as a cable break or loss of power with a winch lanch. If you keep the nose down the rope continues to shrink and you have a major problem, so the solution is to trust in some greater being and just keep pulling back and hope that the rope really hasn't broken - not a good feeling and goes against all of your training. If you pull back the rope (eventually) goes tight again and you have a lovely launch. We did it for a while but then fear took over and we resorted to normal auto tow, with heights achieved not much less than the reflex. Terry On Wed, Nov 25th, 2009 at 12:07 AM, Ron Sanders resand...@gmail.com wrote: Does anybody remember the old reflex launch I am not sure if it was ever legal but at Cunderdin I can remember sitting in a Kooka and upon the ready advice the car took off straight down the runway at full bore with no uptake of the slack or anything---the shock was absorbed by a flexible (nylon??) rope section which somewhat later after its rapid extension would give back all that energy after which you then did a normal auto tow. I am after approximate lengths of rope and stretch part that people might have used in those days if anyone
Re: [Aus-soaring] Reflex car launching
No probs - probably tonight. Regards, Dave From: opsw...@bigpond.net.au opsw...@bigpond.net.au To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Cc: Dave Donald icans...@y7mail.com Sent: Wed, 25 November, 2009 2:26:55 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Reflex car launching Could I have the photo's as well Thanks peter heath opsw...@bigpond.net.au Dave Donald icans...@y7mail.com wrote: Got some at home Cath - will send to your email address tonight. Dave From: Catherine Conway con...@agile.com.au To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Wed, 25 November, 2009 12:02:41 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Reflex car launching Any pics Dave? -Cath On 25/11/2009, at 9:41 AM, Dave Donald wrote: At Boonah we use an Auto-tow system with a 2-to-1 reduction and rope. The rope goes from the glider, around a fixed pulley (fixed in the ground but spins), under the F250 which has a pulley mounted horizontally and then back to a fixed point (the bottom of the fixed pulley) and attached by a shackle that can rotate. The launch vehicle is an F250 v8 that does the launch effortlessly. The rope is 10mm poly and absorbs any surges/thermals and provides a very smooth launch. The good thing about this system is that the launch vehicle actually heads towards the glider (from the other end of the strip) as part of the launch. The glider is always visible during the launch. When the glider releases the launch vehicle continues on and lays the rope at the launch point for the next launch. The impact on the surface of the strip (grass) due to the rope is minimal as are the sand tyres on the F250. While not as strictly 'reflex' launching as requested, it is still a very useful way of getting aircraft in the air (for $8). Regards, Dave From: opsw...@bigpond.net.au opsw...@bigpond.net.au To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Cc: cub...@vic.chariot.net.au Sent: Wed, 25 November, 2009 8:38:59 AM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Reflex car launching Ron, I'm doing some work with synthetic helicopter long lines that have zero stretch so there is no stored energy in case they break. Will ask some questions about the rope suitability. it is far better than steel cables. Was looked at as an alternate for aerotow at a couple of nsw clubs. I did a lot of work with Eric Sweet at one site using a pully system to keep the vehicle speed down and using the mechanical advantage. There was some postings or pictures on a chat site, possibly this one in the early days showing pulley systems and synthetic rope. Cheers Peter Heath __ Win 1 of 4 Sony home entertainment packs thanks to Yahoo!7. Enter now: http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset/ ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring __ Win 1 of 4 Sony home entertainment packs thanks to Yahoo!7. Enter now: http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset/___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Glider Hire
If anyone would like a reference with respect to Adams bona fides, I'd be happy to provide it at icans...@y7mail.com.au Regards, Dave From: Henderson gk...@optusnet.com.au To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Wed, 18 November, 2009 7:09:16 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Glider Hire Hey Guys I'm from the gold coast in Queensland and will be driving down. A glider at Narromine would be preferred but I would be happy to pick something up on the way or nearby. Any help is greatly appreciated Thanks Adam -Original Message- From: Andrew Hallam [mailto:ahal...@digitalearth.com.au] Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 4:04 PM To: Henderson Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Glider Hire Hi Adam, Just a suggestion: You might want to give people on the list an idea of whether you can pick up the glider and tow it to Narromine (and from what area), or whether you need a glider that is already at Narromine. While more expensive than a club you may wish to contact Shinzo Takizawa at Soar Narromine (he's also coaching at Joey Glide). http://www.soarnarromine.com.au/Prices.htm, i...@soarnarromine.com.au Andrew On 18/11/2009, at 3:35 PM, Henderson wrote: Hey all I am currently looking for a single seater to hire for Joeyglide at Narromine from the 5th to the 12th of December. I am a uni student so cost is a bit of a problem. If anyone knows of anything can you please email me directly at gk...@optusnet.com.au Thanks Adam Henderson ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring __ Win 1 of 4 Sony home entertainment packs thanks to Yahoo!7. Enter now: http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset/___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] A well done video
Very nice scenery Bernard but pretty basic aerobatics in the '21. We've got a couple of guys at Boonah who demonstrate the '21 more fully than this (and within the envelope of course) and soon we intend to run a National Aerobatics comp. And if you really want unlimited aerobatics (and I mean unlimited) try Nigel Arnot in his MDM-Fox!! Regards,, Dave From: Future Aviation ec...@internode.on.net To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Fri, 13 November, 2009 8:47:25 AM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] A well done video Hi Chris The video shows some first class footage on aerobatic flying in the Italian Alps. You can also access it by visiting http://www.alexander-schleicher.de/index_e.htm and clicking on the link in the top left hand corner. Kind regards Bernard From:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Christopher Mc Donnell Sent: Thursday, 12 November 2009 8:12 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] A well done video Hi Bernard, You might give us who are byte poor some idea of what we are investing in before we start out. Yes Derek, definitly Dutch. A marble in the mouth as my friend Prof. Ana van Schaik says :-) Chris - Original Message - From:Future Aviation To:aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent:Thursday, November 12, 2009 7:03 PM Subject:[Aus-soaring] A well done video Hello everyone. Have a look at this – I think it was very well done. http://www.zweefportaal.nl/main/news.php?readmore=283 Kind regards Bernard ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring __ Get more done like never before with Yahoo!7 Mail. Learn more: http://au.overview.mail.yahoo.com/___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Fwd: Fw: Spotlight Magazine - Request to disseminate information to civilians [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
Covered pretty well here too - as error No.5 http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/monckton/goreerrors.html Dave From: Mike Borgelt mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Thu, 5 November, 2009 9:19:34 AM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Fwd: Fw: Spotlight Magazine - Request to disseminate information to civilians [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] At 06:50 AM 5/11/2009, you wrote: Yes after a quick scan through I thought a lot of the figures were familiar (changed the old Hawk to an F18, though). And further to Wombat's third paragraph the BASI report came out at a time, if my memory is somewhat correct, when there was a change in radio procedures and a greater reliability on radio separation was being recommended by BASI/CASA or whoever they were at the time. There was some small controversy at the time and I admit that I was on the side of see and avoid trumps radio. Even recall having arguments with at least one local aeroclub pilot. I notice since that report originally came out though, see and avoid has morphed into unalerted see and avoid. This was due, I think, to the disparaging that see and avoid got from this particular report and the subsequent reliability on radio _alone_ which followed in the subsequent years. Note also that I am not saying that the report is factually wrong, it is a good collection of research and does show some real limitations of human vision. The problem was that, at the time, it was used as a sledge hammer and the alternate reliance on radio also had significant limitations which, just as Wombat noted, were never acknowledged. Regards SWK Yeah Steve, Another article with an agenda to do with the November 1993 changes to airspace procedures. Much like the absolute garbage about climate change in the media like the Kilamanjaro article in the Australian yesterday. Yes the snow on Kilamajaro is disappearing and it is caused by people but it is due to land clearing in the surrounding areas, which means less evapo-transpiration and drier air being carried up the mountain by upslope winds hence less snow so the removal rate by sublimation exceeds the deposition rate, not CO2 induced (or any other kind of) warming. This has been well known for years. Macca, get your eyes checked. You obviously missed the numbers down the left of the graph. Mike Borgelt Instruments - manufacturers of quality soaring instruments since 1978 phone Int'l + 61 746 355784 fax Int'l + 61 746 358796 cellphone Int'l + 61 428 355784 email: mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com website: www.borgeltinstruments.com ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring __ Get more done like never before with Yahoo!7 Mail. Learn more: http://au.overview.mail.yahoo.com/___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] EW Model D logger for sale
Does anyone have an EW Model D Logger for sale? Dave __ Get more done like never before with Yahoo!7 Mail. Learn more: http://au.overview.mail.yahoo.com/___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] LX Colibri agent in Australia
Does anyone know of the current Colibri agent in Australia - it appears the one I've got needs a new Li-Ion internal battery. Regards, Dave Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Free Distance??
So, Mike, if I hook up my Garmin 72 (no pressure sensor) to my Joey and the Joey starts recording, is it getting the pressure data from the barograph or GPS altitude from the GPS for the trace? I know that it will output an IGC file (with a G Number?)but will this combination (perhaps) satisfy what Tim is talking about? Regards, Dave Perhaps life in the old Joey yet! Just connect it to whatever position logger and you are away! Tom --- On Wed, 7/10/09, Robert Hart ha...@interweft.com.au wrote: From: Robert Hart ha...@interweft.com.au Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Free Distance?? To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Received: Wednesday, 7 October, 2009, 12:57 AM Tim Shirley wrote: Â Bear in mind also that these âPosition Recordersâ are intended to replace only cameras, and that in most cases a calibrated barograph will still be needed. Â Tim there are quite a few GPS units that include a pressure sensor for altitude as opposed to relying on GPS altitude (eg the Garmin Geko, FLARM etc). Will it be possible to get these calibrated (under the same rules as other loggers) and use them as barographs? -- Robert Hart ha...@interweft.com.au +61 (0)438 385 533 http://www.hart.wattle.id.au -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] RAY LYNSKEY
Dear John, as the President of Gliding Queensland in Australia, I would be pleased if you could convey our heartfelt loss to Rays family. He was a true gliding pioneer and his loss will be sorely felt. Regards, Dave Donald Gliding Queensland I deeply regret having to inform the many Australian friends of Ray Lynskey (54) that he died on Wednesday from an inoperable brain tumour after a relatively short illness. His funeral is tomorrow in the new hangar he had recently built on the airfield at Blenheim, New Zealand. Many will remember that Ray was a competitor at numerable world championships including Australia and that he was the first person ever to fly in excess of 2000 klm (1991). Ray will also be remembered for his exploits in Nevada and Utah.. One 14 day spell there, he flew six 1000 klm flights. Friends wishing to have a message read out at his funeral should email Kate ( Ray¹s partner) at k...@foothills.co.nz JOHN ROAKE ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] email address for Kevin Rodda
Go to http://www.glidingqueensland.org.au/contactus.html Kevin's address is there - and checkout our cool site!! Dave El Presidente Has anyone got Kevin Rodda's email address thanks Regards SDF ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Tyre for Ka6
Thanks Patch - starting to get desperate - pls contact me at icans...@y7mail.com regarding price. Regards, Dave _ From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Patching Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 4:42 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Tyre for Ka6 I have some. Patch - Original Message - From: Dave Donald mailto:dav...@kjross.com.au To: Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 5:31 PM Subject: [Aus-soaring] Tyre for Ka6 Does anyone know where I can get a tyre for a Ka6 - it's a weird 4.95 x something. Dave _ ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Tyre for Ka6
Does anyone know where I can get a tyre for a Ka6 - it's a weird 4.95 x something. Dave ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Good start Zulu Romeo
Dave, I've got one of those boxes that will convert a VHS tape to DVD - just bung in the VHS and a blank DVD, press one button and zappo!!...instant copy from the tape to dvd. Quality is surprising good too. If you'd like to contact me off line about an address to send it to I'd be happy to do the copy (a legitimate backup of course). Dave _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Boulter Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 8:17 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Good start Zulu Romeo I know it is a classic but it is really crap. I have a VHS version if you want it /daveb Michael Henry wrote: Ron Sanders wrote: And where can I get a list of all the gliders currently registered in Australia? http://www.casa.gov.au/casadata/regsearch/findairs.asp Just set Aircraft type to Glider. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Private eye
Perhaps I missed the subtlety of it Mal, but what's this doing on this forum? Dave http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,24206300-5001021,00.html Private eye Brett Sutcliffe axed for impersonating police http://www.mals.net/lk/pages/DSC00354.htm Wonder if he is Bathurst Jail ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] T-21 Sedburgh - Registered VH-GUC
Can someone tell me where in Australia this glider is located? The Japanese owner has a Japanese contact address but it's on the Australian Register. Anyone tell me the story? Dave ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Rudder lock?
Hi Ben, I wouldn't say any more about this as the hole you've dug for yourself is getting deeper and deeper.. Cheers, Dave - Original Message - From: Texler, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] It helps to remove the rudder lock during pre-flight, it was discovered on climbout. That is very poor airmanship, the pilot in command is lucky that nothing worse happened. Last time i checked you can fly a aircraft without a rudder, Yep, but i was there to save the day as always. 8-) I have flown C152's, a rudder lock should be obvious on the pre-flight walk around. It is obvious when the preflight is done in the day time and not in the pitch black of the morning. But i wouldn't say that to him, he's got about 150 LBS on me and you combined. 8-) I also do a full and free control check as part of the walk around too, and in a C152, the tail is very easily seen from the cockpit. It is in the day time, at night with the rear full to the brim with cargo it is not visible. So do you push on the rudder just above or below where it says DONT PUSH ??? Surely the pilot in command would have noticed something wrong whilst taxying, or was he using toe brakes to steer? Ahhh who uses rudder in a 152 just whack in the power and tap the brakes, she corners like a sports car at 20 kts. Yep Grade 1 Powered instructors are also novice pilots when it comes to the simple things, done in extreme conditions Any ho back to my study Ben ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Airspace clearances
Now I know why I keep this stuff - here's the end result of an email process that started around 13/07/07. The reference to Alpha and Charlie relates to two blocks that had been negotiated approximately 10 years ago between Boonah and Airservices (?), but were withdrawn about 5 years ago. A letter (deed/understanding) existed to verify this, but it has long since lapsed. For those who don't know, Boonah is about 1hr south west of Brisbane, nestled in the eastern foothills of the Great Dividing Range. Wave is prodigious in Winter from the south westerlies. Members from another club (Warwick - which is on the Southern Downs on the Western side of the Great Dividing Range) at one stage held the Australian height records for male and female - 32000 and 28000 feet respectively using this wave. They were towed over behind their Pawnee. And so to the question of airspace: 'I have asked the relevant ATC sector and the answer is the same i.e. clearance not available in CTA without a transponder and VHF. Airspace in that area will not be released as it is the departure and arrival area for Brisbane and with the marked increase in jet traffic in recent years, blocks alpha and charlie have been deleted. Rgds a name Airspace and Military Liaison' I'll follow up on the many suggestions that have been sent - thanks!! Dave ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] FW: Mountain High Oxygen.
Hi John, a couple of us at Boonah have just been through this exercise for installing an oxygen system in one of the clubs HPH304. We settled on the single place Mountain High EDS system. All up with medium size bottle and extra mask it will cost about $1100 which is very reasonable. We actually went through Cumulus soaring in the States who has accumulated a stack of information on a wide variety of stuff (http://www.cumulus-soaring.com) and is giving excellent service. Interestingly, when the battery runs out in the EDS system its fail/safe is to shut off the flow - not completely open up which is what you'd expect. Apparently it will warn you about 4 hours out from that though - and it would be wise to start with fresh batteries and carry a spare set with you. A couple of the guys were at 8500ft at Boonah Sunday before last and were bemoaning the fact that they couldn't go any higher. If you plan to go into controlled airspace you will not get a clearance unless you have a transponder. I've butted up against this a number of times where you ask for a clearance and they ask 'Transponder fitted' - 'No' - 'negative on the clearance'. When I had my Astir it had oxygen. I used to get lots of headaches because we'd be at 8-1 for hours and I thought it was dehydration. Drank lots and still got headaches. Then I twigged - turned the oxygen on to just a trickle and the headache was gone!! Great performance improver for really cheap!! Let me know if you need any help. (0409059929) Regards, Dave I'm about to purchase a Mountain High oxygen system for the mosquito. Does anyone have any advice on purchase or configuration of the system? regards John Ashford http://thewell.santos.com.au/teamlink/directory/moreinfo.asp?strEntID=8 36 Maintenance Supervisor, Dullingari / Cross Border Santos Ltd PO Box 1010 Bne 4001 Ph 08 8678 4751 Fax 08 8678 4740 html body font face=arial color=#808080 size=-2img alt=Santos Logo src=http://www.santos.com/library/logo.gif; brSantos Ltd A.B.N. 80 007 550 923br Disclaimer: The information contained in this email is intended only for the use of the person(s) to whom it is addressed and may be confidential or contain privileged information. If ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] A good landing
Terry, if you can wait until early evening I'll get my wife to translate it. (yes, seriously!!) Dave This link was sent to me this morning by Ake Petterson. http://www.na.se/artikel.asp?intId=1333986 If someone can translate from the Swedish for us it may throw a little light on what the heck really happened. Ake did mention that the pilot walked away uninjured, so I guess it does qualify as a good landing - but almost certainly not a great one. Terry ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Please explain - Temperature inversion, dew point/cloud production and High Pressu
Thanks for that Gavin - and your picture is on the website too!! I'll have a cruise around in the site and see what I can find. Weather back here in OZ is magic at the moment. Regards, Dave Dave. Try the website from the club I'm working at. BGGC (UK). Look for the 'Solo to Silver' pages and you will find a deliberate (ongoing)build of all the kind of knowledge, including tephigrams, that you might need. 'Dons Pages' have a lot of information. Gavin. Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 12:21:32 +1000 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] Please explain - Temperature inversion, dew point/cloud production and High Pressure I'm hoping that someone may be able to explain the relationship between Temperature inversion, dew point/cloud production and High Pressure (and it's effect on cloud). High pressure (and its associated stability) is a cloud killer, but why when all a parcel of air has to do is rise and condense? Where is the lower layer of an inversion in relation to cloud production or condensation? Above cloud base? I've seen various diagrams in relation to temperature inversion and they're pretty vague about where the inversion is in relation to cloud. Dave ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring _ It's simple! Sell your car for just $30 at CarPoint.com.au http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fsecure%2Dau%2Eimrworldwide%2Ecom%2Fcgi%2Dbin%2Fa%2Fci%5F450304%2Fet%5F2%2Fcg%5F801459%2Fpi%5F1004813%2Fai%5F859641_t=762955845_r=tig_OCT07_m=EXT___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Please explain - Temperature inversion, dew point/cloud production and High Pressure
I'm hoping that someone may be able to explain the relationship between Temperature inversion, dew point/cloud production and High Pressure (and it's effect on cloud). High pressure (and its associated stability) is a cloud killer, but why when all a parcel of air has to do is rise and condense? Where is the lower layer of an inversion in relation to cloud production or condensation? Above cloud base? I've seen various diagrams in relation to temperature inversion and they're pretty vague about where the inversion is in relation to cloud. Dave ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] CASA motto
Negative on the lantern - was made an optional extra couple of years ago due to declining sales, but pressure was brought to bear by the Workplace, Healt h and safety people and it had to be withdrawn..too much pollution apparently, and you could do yourself a nasty injury if you bumped it..apparently. And only certified Carpets are now airworthy, since that carpet restructure a couple of years back..you did hear about that didn't you? Some colours are not allowed as the UV degrades the carpet...apparently..and in terms of visibility, some are better than others. Anyway, get onto CASA if you need a clarification. Regards, Dave I didn't see flying carpet on the CASA list of aircraft not requiring a manual. Storing a manual and DI book on a flying carpet may be difficult. Perhaps they can be kept under the magic lantern, if a flying carpet still comes equipped with one. Jim If only we had such an accommodating authority that this was possible - http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNumSQL.asp?NNumbertxt=61FCcmndfind.x=16cmndfind.y=11 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Float glider?
Yes, there was one developed about 30 years ago, but not as a serious glider. It was of short span and looked somewhat like a primary glider but was a biplane. It had two big, flat floats underneath and took off and landed on water. It was launched behind a boat, and was only intended as a fun thing. Regrettably, I can't think of the name of it, but it was listed in a 'Janes - all the world sailplanes' book that's at home - but I'm at work. The pilot was (ominously) depicted wearing a helmet. Dave All this discussion about landing in water begs the question (somewhat tongue firmly planted in cheek): Has there ever been a float glider developed? I will run away and hide now! ;-) ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Any?
sorry Patch, don't have a seat back, but I do have a libelle mainwheel if anyone is looking for one? (complete with tyre/tube etc.) Regs, Dave Greetings all and sundry, Does anyone have a Glasflugel seat back for Libelle, Hornet, Mossie etc ? Damaged OK. With or without adjuster. Thanks Patch___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] IS 28
HI Simon, what's wrong with the one you've got? Dave Alice Springs Gliding Club is looking to replace our IS 28, with something similar. Any of the fine Brasov product out there for sale? Regards, Simon Holding ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Victorian State Gliding Championships 2008
I didn't say it. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Wilksch Sent: Wednesday, 31 October 2007 12:09 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Victorian State Gliding Championships 2008 It would seem that eveyone's got to say it! - Original Message - From: Chris Kiehn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 12:09 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Victorian State Gliding Championships 2008 Someone's got to say it Stuart. Nov 30, not Oct 30 ;-) Chris R30;R30;R30;R30;discount if weregistered by yesterday That is an interesting way to run apromotion Limit 40 gliders, Entry $250 but a discount of $60 if registered byNovember 30 2007. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.14/1100 - Release Date: 30/10/2007 6:26 PM ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] RE: Aus-soaring Digest, Vol 44, Issue 40
Seems to me some of you blokes are talking out of your vario's at the moment. ;) Dave -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, 13 May 2007 12:30 PM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: Aus-soaring Digest, Vol 44, Issue 40 Send Aus-soaring mailing list submissions to aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can reach the person managing the list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Aus-soaring digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: VGA (JR) 2. Glider to hire from SA (Ashley Boyle) 3. Club Class Handicap's (Adam Woolley) 4. RE: Club Class Handicap's (Tim Shirley) -- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 22:32:09 +0930 From: JR [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] VGA To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Yes, mine is new age , but there are no digits, and it was cracked when I got it. so pleased to find you still talking to me. JR - Original Message - From: Patching To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2007 9:37 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] VGA It may be sensitive JR. but it wasn't working today..smooth as silk, not a bump anywhere. Hey, if mine's sensitive, is yours smart? Patch - Original Message - From: JR To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2007 10:53 AM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] VGA Well it had to happen, ( my two roberts worth ), I think it is a LAUGH of Kooka's because they are fun to fly and the people who have custody of them are fun to be with, and good times generally prevail, also I have to suck up to Patch regarding the comments I made regarding his super sensitive vario. regards JR - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2007 9:00 AM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] VGA Collective noun? How about a cackle? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Fri, 11 May 2007 6:06 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] VGA Patch, Can we have the VGA newsletter on parchment written in ink using a quill pen? One other question: what's the collective noun for Kookas? A 'casein'? A 'forest'? A 'lumber'? Mitch. On 11/05/2007, at 2:08 PM, Patching wrote: Hi all, The latest updates and stories are now available on www.vintageglidersaustralia.org.au Read about the Kookaburra Konvention and some of the other things we have been up to. Cheers Ian Patching on behalf of the editorial team. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring = ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring -- AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. -- ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.8/800 - Release Date: 11/05/2007 7:34 PM -- ___ Aus-soaring mailing list
Re: [Aus-soaring] accident rate for gliders in Australia
I take your point Jeremy, but the Alpin was an ultralight piloted by a non-GFA member. Regards, Dave. Does anyone think that the fatal accident rate for gliders has reached a crisis point: 9 Fatalities in the last 4 years 2004 Astir near Bendigo 2005 IS29 near Dalby Janus at Gympie LS7 near Benalle 2006 Blanik at Lockhart Alpin at Caboolture Mosquito at Gulgong Stemme near Camden 2007 Pucatek at Keepit It must be the worst run of accidents in gliding history? and what is GFA's response? silence Jeremy Thompson DDSC ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Glider wanted to $20 k
Hi Greg, 20k will buy you a multitude of old glass gliders and some even older wood/metal/rag and tube machines. The most likely glass gliders around that money will be Astirs and Std Libelle's. I believe there is an Astir for sale in WA for under $20k. Both of these aircraft are capable of cross-countries in excess of 500k - don't let anyone tell you they are not capable of good flights. Both are easy to fly - probably more so the Libelle which you 'think' around the sky. The Astir is a robust machine with a large cockpit; the Libelle's are pretty cramped in this respect. Both machines have well sorted maintenance histories, but the Astir has probably had more issues in the past. Good luck, Dave I'm looking for a glider trailer for up to $20,000. Please let me know if you know of any for sale. I have low hours and would also appreciate advice on what would be suitable. Thanks, Greg. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Manana from Queensland
Word is that the Queensland State Government is going to introduce a 'Visa' system for travel into Queensland. Any non-Queensland resident from south of the border with superior attitudes, wearing sandals and untanned will be immediately rejected (but probably greatly received in the southern states where they will be recognised and embraced as one of their own). Manana from Queensland, Dave Manana (tomorrow) Here down under Qld is our equivalent of Texas or Mexico in a lot of ways. CMcD - Original Message - From: Stuart Kerri FERGUSON [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 9:07 AM Subject: RE: [Aus-soaring] Dalby Easter Comps? Same thing happened with Rally of Queensland two weeks ago; no results on the web site. Maybe it's a Queensland thing SDF -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 12 April 2007 8:22 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Dalby Easter Comps? I can't find any on the comp website ( http://www.boonahgliding.com.au/blueclouds/eastercompsresults.html ) . Bit of deja vu here as well - we went through the same thing last year. Surely there is someone in QLD that can keep a comp website up to date. Nick. Chris Kiehn [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/04/2007 06:45 PM Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Please respond to Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc Subject [Aus-soaring] Dalby Easter Comps? anyone have any results from Dalby? Cant find any info on the Boonah site. Thanks Chris ___ Aus-soaring mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Taxonomy of flight for gliders
I am keenly interested in why accidents occur (and seem to re-occur) and propose to write a paper on same. The common taxonomies of powered flight don't necessarily all apply to gliders, so I'm going to develop or modify an existing one and apply it to the (considerable) data that I have. Does anyone have any suggestions about existing or potential taxonomies that could be used? The grouping can be used to categorise accidents which may lead to some new conclusions about accident cause, and possibly accident causation. It is highly likely that there may be overlapping causation or other factors so there may need to be a primary and secondary cause or causal factor. Perhaps, as a starting point, could I suggest: Takeoff Landing Thermalling cruising circuit joining/planning (where do we put the 'spun in' incidents) etc. Regards, Dave ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Taxonomy of flight for gliders
Greate ideas all, Anthony. The problem that I can see is the very subjective nature of the determination of the cause/nature of the accident/incident. Off the top of my head, could be an example where the nature of the accident was stall/spin and cause could be loss of control. Maybe these could be swapped across each other? Either way I'll have to develop an explicit method for this subjective judgement. Please keep the comments coming. Dave Off the top of my head you could start with a matrix. Have phase of flight on one axis and then nature of accident eg loss of control (spin), controlled flight into terrain (yes it happens), mechanical failure, fire (electrical), fire (fuel / engine) etc across the other. That may give you some groupings to pursue with primary, secondary and tertiary causes. I am keenly interested in why accidents occur (and seem to re-occur) and propose to write a paper on same. The common taxonomies of powered flight don't necessarily all apply to gliders, so I'm going to develop or modify an existing one and apply it to the (considerable) data that I have. Does anyone have any suggestions about existing or potential taxonomies that could be used? The grouping can be used to categorise accidents which may lead to some new conclusions about accident cause, and possibly accident causation. It is highly likely that there may be overlapping causation or other factors so there may need to be a primary and secondary cause or causal factor. Perhaps, as a starting point, could I suggest: Takeoff Landing Thermalling cruising circuit joining/planning (where do we put the 'spun in' incidents) etc. Regards, Dave ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
RE: [Aus-soaring] Wave soaring pawnee
Somehow it doesn't look real to me. And what's with the amount of up elevator? Dave -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Texler, Michael Sent: Monday, 19 March 2007 10:39 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: RE: [Aus-soaring] Wave soaring pawnee Great picture of the wave soaring Pawnee. Must be an example of Pawnee Porn, 'cos all the rude bits (including the pilot's face) have been blacked out! ;-) [FLAME SUIT ON] ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
