Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] looking for info on Annie Laurance wife of Joseph Simmons

[Mary]

I will take a look thank you

On Thursday, January 16, 2020 at 1:31:01 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Hi Mary,
>
> The names in Portuguese are Anna Lourenço and Jose Simões or possibly 
> Simas.
>
> You can try running Jose Simões and then Jose Simas through the CITCEM-GHP 
> site married to an Anna Anybody. However, it only has 13 of the 16 parishes 
> of Pico: http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/genealogias.html
>
> You also need to get their deaths, all censuses, obits, anything you can 
> find in the U.S. For a list of suggestions, try this:
>
> http://www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/research-aids-a---l/finding-your-portuguese/
>
> Good luck,
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 9:44 AM Mary > 
> wrote:
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>> Hi Everyone,
>>
>> My family has been looking for our ancestors and we have hit a little 
>> brick wall hoping someone will be able to help.
>> We have been able to locate information about them in the states but cant 
>> seem to find any information on them in Azores, Some of
>> the documents say there from PICO all documents say Azores but I feel 
>> kind of lost.
>>
>> Theses wonderful people is were i get lost once I get to Annie and Joseph 
>> in Azores I'm stuck.
>>
>> Annie Laurence ( also spelled Lawrence) born 1864 , married Joseph 
>> Simmons born 1863 whom both later immigrated to Gloucester Mass in 1882
>> mother and father of Adaline Gloria Simmons born 1891 mother of George 
>> Stewart and George is the father of my mother Gloria Stewart
>>
>> Thank you in advance 
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[AZORES-Genealogy] looking for info on Annie Laurance wife of Joseph Simmons

[Mary]

Hi Everyone,

My family has been looking for our ancestors and we have hit a little brick 
wall hoping someone will be able to help.
We have been able to locate information about them in the states but cant 
seem to find any information on them in Azores, Some of
the documents say there from PICO all documents say Azores but I feel kind 
of lost.

Theses wonderful people is were i get lost once I get to Annie and Joseph 
in Azores I'm stuck.

Annie Laurence ( also spelled Lawrence) born 1864 , married Joseph Simmons 
born 1863 whom both later immigrated to Gloucester Mass in 1882
mother and father of Adaline Gloria Simmons born 1891 mother of George 
Stewart and George is the father of my mother Gloria Stewart

Thank you in advance 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation help Costa Pimental families

[Mary Pimentel Wheeler]

Hello Janet and others,

Is it possible that your Jerome Sebastian Pimentel was originally named 
Jacinto Pimentel?  I found a Jacinto baptized in Fajazinha on, I believe, 
November 1 1855.  Here is the link and what I understand it to read.  
Please chime in if you see it saying something else.   If this is him, 
knowing how he got the Sebastian middle name would be interesting to find 
out, but at least now we would have his parent's names.

http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-LF-FAJAZINHA-B-1850-1860/FLR-LF-FAJAZINHA-B-1850-1860_item1/P72.html

Jacinto, son of Anthony Joze Pimentel and Anna de Jesus.  
Born on the (?) of October and baptized on the first day of November.
Paternal grandparents are Antonio Joze Pimentel and Anna de Conceicao
Maternal grandparents Manuel de Freitas and Anna de Freitas

On Sunday, June 9, 2019 at 4:57:12 PM UTC-7, Janet Carminati wrote:
>
> Thanks to all that replied - very helpful as I learn more about how to do 
> effective research!
>
> Bill - Thank you very much  for the help with the translations - really 
> appreciate it!
>
> Mary - I do have lots of records for Jerome Sebastian Pimental as this was 
> my great great grandfather.  His details are:
> Birth Nov 1 1855 (Flores, but not sure what village) / death June 19 1929
> Marriage to Aug 9 1877 to Conceicao Marie Costa - married in Napa CA, 
> lived in Green Valley and Wild Horse Valley in Napa/Solano counties, 
> eventually moved to Oakland
>
> Potential siblings to Jerome are:
> Frank J Pimental (1836 - ?) Married Maria E Costa (1850 - 1905)
> Sylvester Pimental (1841 - 1903) Married to two different Maries (last 
> name unknown) and later in life to Marie de Gloria Lorenzeo (birth/death 
> unknown) - usually his name is spelled Pimentel.  Sylvester and Maria were 
> witnesses for marriage of Jerome and Conceicao
> Manuel Sebastian Pimental (1850 - 1912)
> Vincent Sebastian Pimental (1858 - May 6, 1918) - oral family history that 
> Vincent was Jerome's brother
> Marianna Pimental (~1868 - 1950) married to Manual Levy and then to Antone 
> Costa (1855 - 1928)
>
> Let me know if we have any overlap in the Pimental family.
>
> thank you all for the helpful information,
> Janet
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, June 3, 2019 at 4:59:24 AM UTC-4, William Seidler wrote:
>>
>> Below is my take on the parent and grandparent names for Ermalinda, José, 
>> and two named João.  I see no indication that they are related to each 
>> other or the family you seek.  The link you provided to a record for 
>> "Conceição" has no Conceição that I can see on that page.  The closest I 
>> see is an exposto (male foundling) named Cornelio.
>>
>>
>> Hermalinda (sp?) Born 18 Jul 1867 and baptized on 21 July 1867
>>
>> Father: Francisco Jose de Machado, natural of Santo Antonio, Magdalena, 
>> Island of Pico
>>
>> Mother: Maria de Jesus, natural of this parish. Parents married in this 
>> parish where they live.
>>
>> Paternal grandparents: Manuel Gonçalves Ferreira and Maria? Eulalia?
>>
>> Maternal grandparents: João José da Costa and Maria de Jesus
>>
>>  
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>> José: Born 20 Nov 1869 and baptized on 25 Nov 1869
>>
>> Father: José Francisco Abreu 
>>
>> Mother: Rita Thomasia; both parents natural of this parish where they 
>> live and were married.
>>
>> Paternal grandparents: Francisco Antonio Abreu and Maria de Jesus
>>
>> Maternal grandparents: José Noresio? de Simas and Maria Thomasia
>>
>>  
>>
>> 1st João: Born 21 Oct 1871 and baptized on 25 Oct 1871
>>
>> Father: José Caetano Simião
>>
>> Mother: Anna de Jesus Carvalho; both parents natural of this parish
>>
>> Paternal Grandparents: Manuel Caetano Simião and Anna Emilia
>>
>> Maternal Grandparents: João Furtado Carvalho and Ignacia de Jesus
>>
>>  
>>
>> 2nd João: Born 15 Nov 1871 and baptized on 19 Nov 1871.
>>
>> Father: Antonio Caetano Noia
>>
>> Mother: Rosa de Jesus; both parents natural of this parish
>>
>> Paternal grandparents: José Caetano Noia e Maria de Jesus
>>
>> Maternal grandparents: José Coelho Salvador and Margarida de Jesus
>>
>>
>> I hope you find some help in this.  Hopefully following Cheri's advice 
>> you can find a more definitive record connection.
>>
>>
>> Bill Seidler
>>
>> On Sunday, June 2, 2019 at 11:23:40 AM UTC-7, Janet Carminati wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello Cheri, 
>>> Thanks for the advice on how to work backwards. I don’t have any 
>>> information on their marriages (except those that married in CA) so might 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need Advice

[Mary Bordi]

Brian—

If she did not marry then the baptismal records may be there but hard to
find—if she used different “versions” of her name on the records.

If you are just going by the confession rolls, I don’t know how complete
they are or if everyone went to confession. ;)

She could be there. Don’t assume that because you haven’t found her by the
name you know, she wasn’t there. Don’t give up!

Mary

On Tuesday, June 11, 2019, Analytic Advantage 
wrote:

> Its further complicated by the fact that she was never married and had 5
> children out of wedlock - so the records are very very hard to find
>
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> On Tuesday, 11 June 2019 12:54:45 UTC-5, Mary Bordi wrote:
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>> On Tuesday, June 11, 2019, Analytic Advantage 
>> wrote:
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>> > I don't have any information on them other than their names.  What does
>> that say? It's their names and the town but I'm having a hard time reading
>> it.  (if you dont mind)
>>
>> A quick recap of some of the info since the names are not exact—
>>
>> On 4 May 1903 Manuel Jorge married Josefa Victorina in the church of Sao
>> Mateus in Urzelina. They were both baptized and lived in the parish, in
>>  Ribeira de Nabo, part of Urzelina.
>>
>> His father was pai incognito (unknown). His mother was Josefa Dias.
>>
>> Her father was Manuel Victorino and her mother was Ana Joaquina.
>>
>> Hope that helps.
>>
>> Mary
>>
>> PS I used the Sao Jorge Marriage index to find this
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>>> I don't have any information on them other than their names.  What does
>>> that say? It's their names and the town but I'm having a hard time reading
>>> it.  (if you dont mind)
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>>> On Tuesday, 11 June 2019 11:54:38 UTC-5, Mary Bordi wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Could these be her parents? Or do you already have their marriage?
>>>> (Lefthand page)
>>>>
>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-
>>>> URZELINA-C-1900-1911/SJR-VL-URZELINA-C-1900-1911_item1/P18.html
>>>>
>>>> Mary
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, June 11, 2019, Analytic Advantage 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hey all.  I've been pouring over Sao Jorge confession rolls, and I
>>>>> have a decent amount of information about my great grandmother.  However,
>>>>> it appears she was born either on another island, or town (In case I
>>>>> overlooked it).  She did not appear on documents in Sao Jorge(Urzelina)
>>>>> until 1927, when she had a son.  Whats the best and most efficient way to
>>>>> begin tracking down what island she was born?
>>>>>
>>>>> Information: (some of this may be wrong)
>>>>>
>>>>> Maria De Lordes Dias
>>>>> Born June 5? 1906, location unknown.  Death unknown (Urzelina)
>>>>> Parents: Josefina & Manuel Jorge Dias, birth and death dates unknown.
>>>>> Unable to find in Urzelina confession rolls.
>>>>> Children:  Helena, Laurentino, Fernando Jorge, Raul (alive), Ilda
>>>>> Lucilla (alive)
>>>>> Siblings (the weakest information): Manuel, Jose, Americo, Artesia
>>>>> Moved to Urzelina in 1926/1927
>>>>>
>>>>> This is the biggest fish in my pond, so ANY information would be
>>>>> amazing.  I appreciate any response.
>>>>>
>>>>> - Brian
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need Advice

[Mary Bordi]

On Tuesday, June 11, 2019, Analytic Advantage 
wrote:


> I don't have any information on them other than their names.  What does
that say? It's their names and the town but I'm having a hard time reading
it.  (if you dont mind)

A quick recap of some of the info since the names are not exact—

On 4 May 1903 Manuel Jorge married Josefa Victorina in the church of Sao
Mateus in Urzelina. They were both baptized and lived in the parish, in
 Ribeira de Nabo, part of Urzelina.

His father was pai incognito (unknown). His mother was Josefa Dias.

Her father was Manuel Victorino and her mother was Ana Joaquina.

Hope that helps.

Mary

PS I used the Sao Jorge Marriage index to find this


















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> I don't have any information on them other than their names.  What does
> that say? It's their names and the town but I'm having a hard time reading
> it.  (if you dont mind)
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> On Tuesday, 11 June 2019 11:54:38 UTC-5, Mary Bordi wrote:
>>
>> Could these be her parents? Or do you already have their marriage?
>> (Lefthand page)
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-
>> URZELINA-C-1900-1911/SJR-VL-URZELINA-C-1900-1911_item1/P18.html
>>
>> Mary
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 11, 2019, Analytic Advantage 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey all.  I've been pouring over Sao Jorge confession rolls, and I have
>>> a decent amount of information about my great grandmother.  However, it
>>> appears she was born either on another island, or town (In case I
>>> overlooked it).  She did not appear on documents in Sao Jorge(Urzelina)
>>> until 1927, when she had a son.  Whats the best and most efficient way to
>>> begin tracking down what island she was born?
>>>
>>> Information: (some of this may be wrong)
>>>
>>> Maria De Lordes Dias
>>> Born June 5? 1906, location unknown.  Death unknown (Urzelina)
>>> Parents: Josefina & Manuel Jorge Dias, birth and death dates unknown.
>>> Unable to find in Urzelina confession rolls.
>>> Children:  Helena, Laurentino, Fernando Jorge, Raul (alive), Ilda
>>> Lucilla (alive)
>>> Siblings (the weakest information): Manuel, Jose, Americo, Artesia
>>> Moved to Urzelina in 1926/1927
>>>
>>> This is the biggest fish in my pond, so ANY information would be
>>> amazing.  I appreciate any response.
>>>
>>> - Brian
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need Advice

[Mary Bordi]

Could these be her parents? Or do you already have their marriage?
(Lefthand page)

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-URZELINA-C-1900-1911/SJR-VL-URZELINA-C-1900-1911_item1/P18.html

Mary

On Tuesday, June 11, 2019, Analytic Advantage 
wrote:

> Hey all.  I've been pouring over Sao Jorge confession rolls, and I have a
> decent amount of information about my great grandmother.  However, it
> appears she was born either on another island, or town (In case I
> overlooked it).  She did not appear on documents in Sao Jorge(Urzelina)
> until 1927, when she had a son.  Whats the best and most efficient way to
> begin tracking down what island she was born?
>
> Information: (some of this may be wrong)
>
> Maria De Lordes Dias
> Born June 5? 1906, location unknown.  Death unknown (Urzelina)
> Parents: Josefina & Manuel Jorge Dias, birth and death dates unknown.
> Unable to find in Urzelina confession rolls.
> Children:  Helena, Laurentino, Fernando Jorge, Raul (alive), Ilda Lucilla
> (alive)
> Siblings (the weakest information): Manuel, Jose, Americo, Artesia
> Moved to Urzelina in 1926/1927
>
> This is the biggest fish in my pond, so ANY information would be amazing.
> I appreciate any response.
>
> - Brian
>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation help Costa Pimental families

[Mary Pimentel Wheeler]

Do you have any birth/death/marriage dates for your Jerome Sebastian 
Pimentel?  I have several Sebastiao Pimentels in my tree, from Flores, and 
many of their male children were named (first name) Sebastiao Pimentel.  
I'm wondering if there is a connection somewhere?

On Sunday, June 2, 2019 at 9:16:28 AM UTC-7, Janet Carminati wrote:
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> Hello,
>
> I believe I have found the first baptism records of the Costa side of my 
> family who settled in Napa in the late 1800's along with the Pimental 
> family.  Several Costas married several Pimentals including my great great 
> grandparents Jerome Sebastian Pimental and Conceicao Marie Costa.
>
> I am having a hard time reading the names (parent's, god parents, and 
> confirming child name) - if anyone would be willing to help decipher these 
> records I would very much appreciate it!
>
> The family was from Santa Cruz, Flores and the records that I believe 
> might be the following family members are below:
>
> 3 siblings (Ermelinda, Joseph, John Costa) - the parents are Maria de 
> Jesus Azevedo and ? Costa
>
> Ermelinda A Costa born July 18, 1867:
>
> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1865-1870/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1865-1870_item1/P71.html
>
> Jose (Joseph) Francisco Costa born Nov 1869 (I do not have date):
>
> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1865-1870/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1865-1870_item1/P162.html
>
> Joao (John) Costa born Oct 22 1871:
> 2 possible Joao Costas:
>
> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1870-1875/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1870-1875_item1/P38.html
> or 
>
> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1870-1875/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1870-1875_item1/P40.html
>
>
>
> The generation above include the following siblings: (Conceicao, Antone, 
> Margarida and sister in law Maria Azevedo married to the unknown first name 
> Costa husband)
>
> Conceicao Marie Costa born Nov 3 1861:
>
> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1861-1865/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1861-1865_item1/P30.html
>
> The older siblings are in a different book and the handwriting is much 
> more difficult to decipher.  Can anyone tell me what row to find the year 
> and month so I might narrow in on these family members:
> page 1 of the years 1842-1857 is at the below link:
>
> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1842-1857/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1842-1857_item1/P3.html
>
> Antone Costa born 1855 (month not known)
> Maria E Costa born 1850 (month not known)
> Margarida Costa born 1848 (month not known)
> Maria de Jesus Azevedo (sister in law) born Jan 15 1843 - not sure if also 
> from Santa Cruz.
>
> Thank you all for your help.  So exciting that after about 5 years I might 
> have traced part of the family back to the Azores - and thanks to the UPEC 
> records which are the only documents I've found listing the town which 
> helped narrow my search!
>
> Regards,
> Janet Carminati 
>
>
>

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Attaching the CCA images to your Ancestry.com Tree

[Mary Pimentel Wheeler]

I do the same as Lenor, except that I use my photo program (ACDSee Photo 
Studio, which is cheap and easy to use) to add text to the photo, and put 
in a brief translation, such as:  Joao, son of Jose Whatever, b. 3 Sept 
1899, Lomba, Flores, Azores.  Pat GParents: Manuel Whatever and his wife 
Maria; Pat GParents: Jose Lastname and his wife Maria.

On Thursday, March 28, 2019 at 12:05:33 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
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> Anyone who knows how to attach the CCA images to the trees on 
> Ancestry.com, please post the directions here.
> Thanks!
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Names (Santa Maria)

[Mary Bordi]

Perhaps it’s a mistake in some cases but I can tell you I have seen it in
my tree.

Maria de Jesus will marry a man whose mother is Maria de Jesus and they
will have a daughter Maria who later becomes Maria de Jesus. Besides which
each Maria de Jesus probably has a sister and a child and an aunt who is
Ana de Jesus. And they probably all married men named Manuel or Jose.

I have seen certain first names popular in a village during certain eras,
too.

Of course it’s best to confirm that it wasn’t a mistake! It’s friustrationg
but also comforting that even the priests had trouble keeping things
straight...

Mary


On Tuesday, March 19, 2019, 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Hello all;  Has anyone else noticed how very, very often the names of the
> bride and or of the mother’s in law are exactly the same?  i.e. Bernardina
> Jacintha, Anna Filomena, etc.  Record after record, though not all of them
> of course, have the bride and her mother with exactly the same name and
> sometimes all three women in the record have the same name.  It just makes
> me worry that the priest has been “tippling” the vino…I know certain
> names were very common but; it seems to be more than that….
>
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Students of the Seminary of Angra, 1862-2013

[Mary Bordi]

I haven’t looked it this yet but it sounds like a great resource!

Mary

On Friday, March 15, 2019, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> I somehow tripped across this in an Internet search.
>
> The title says it's a list of students from the Seminary in Angra, from
> 1862-2013. They are all boys, some as young as 10. Not everyone becomes a
> priest. It lists the name of the student, where they are from, their
> parents, and age. There's an admission date, so just subtract for an
> approximate birth. It is an Excel document. Do a Ctrl+F (or Cmd+F for Mac)
> and search by FREGUESIA.
>
> https://www.google.com/url?sa=t=j==s=web;
> cd=11=2ahUKEwi-svDfpoXhAhVQip4KHQqAC9QQFjAKegQIBhAC=https%3A%2F%
> 2Fseminario-episcopal-de-angra.webnode.pt%2F_files%2F20757-52d3953d1e%
> 2FAlunos%2520do%2520Semin%25C3%25A1rio%2520Episcopal%
> 2520de%2520Angra%2520de%25201862%2520-%25202013.xls=
> AOvVaw272mMggzifpSsVMJ91XT-F
>
> Good luck and happy hunting!
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Maria Resgate (Is that really what it says)

[Mary Bordi]

Religious name? Or perhaps it was a difficult birth?

Nossa Senhora do Resgate seems to be a popular church name in Brazil.

Mary

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> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-
> VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1890-1899/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1890-1899_item1/P103.html
>
>
>
> Maria, bottom right.  Is that Maria Resgate  (Maria Rescue).  I did look
> on the next page in the body and that is what I see.  Parents and
> grandparents names don’t give a clue where the Resgate comes from.
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance for your help,
>
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Father's place of Birth

[Mary Bordi]

I agree about the Ancestry ThruLines, especially with the Portuguese. All
of the “potential ancestors”that I looked at were wrong  WRONG  WRONG!  Too
many similar names. I’m sorry, but I don’t care if her name is the same as
my 5th GGrandmother and we share DNA. Being born in 1926 makes it
impossible!

But later when I went back and looked at some that were not labeled
“potential ancestor” I found several undiscovered matches—if their trees
are accurate.

It might be valuable to a careful researcher but what a mess the careless
ones will make!

Mary



On Wednesday, March 6, 2019, JesseAndDeborah Mendonca <
jessdebmendo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> And Now Ancestry has all of the new possible ancestors on ThruLines.   I
> can tell just by glancing at what they’ve gotten wrong by my data that the
> entire list is going to muddy up the waters.  My husband’s Portuguese side
> was already so hard to decipher and now comes this new”help.”
>
> For my ancestry they are much closer to accurate.   Be careful and verify!
>
> Debbie Shepherd Mendonca
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 6, 2019 at 1:51 PM Leonor Bertoni 
> wrote:
>
>> No kidding. I've also learned never to trust "hints" on Ancestry!
>>
>> Yes, I have now been informed on the Sandwich Islands. Thank you!
>>
>> On Wed, 6 Mar 2019 at 15:21, Rosemarie Capodicci 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Leonor, it does say Isla de Sandwich which is what the Hawaiian Islands
>>> were known as because they were 'discovered' by the Earl of Sandwich.  The
>>> Azores Islands were known as the 'Western Islands' in the USA for a long
>>> time. When I was first starting to do my research I thought it meant
>>> Hawaii,that's West of California, right?! Never assume, that should be
>>> everones motto.
>>> Rosemarie
>>> rcap...@gmail.com
>>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 6, 2019 at 10:57 AM  wrote:
>>>
>>>> I just searched it and it's a name that was given to Hawaii..I had
>>>> never heard or seen this before.
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, 6 March 2019 13:55:10 UTC-5, leonor@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Can someone please tell me if this says "natural das Ilhas de
>>>>> Sandwich"? If so, does anybody know where that is? If not, can someone
>>>>> please correct me!
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
>>>>> LG-ROSARIO-B-1906-1911/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1906-1911_item1/P168.html
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] July 1900 disaster Santa Maria?

[Mary Bordi]

Sam, I’m helping index Sao Jorge but working on one of “my” villages. So
I’m sort of doing both.

Unfortunately I am going very slowly on this one. Must get to work. :)

Mary



On Saturday, March 2, 2019, 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Yes, that does seem odd.  Which island are you doing and are you
> extracting the records or only looking for your line?  Just curious what
> others are doing.
>
>
>
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>
>
>
> *From: *Mary Bordi 
> *Sent: *Saturday, March 2, 2019 10:45 AM
> *To: *azores@googlegroups.com
> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] July 1900 disaster Santa Maria?
>
>
>
> I’m looking at deaths for another island. And indeed there are times when
> there are one or more deaths every day for weeks, with families losing
> several members.  So sad.
>
>
>
> And then there are months with only a few deaths.
>
>
>
> But I found one stretch of two months with no deaths at all and no
> notation that the records had been lost...and THAT made me wonder! (This
> was in the 1850s.)
>
>
>
> Mary
>
> On Saturday, March 2, 2019, 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> Linda;  Interesting thought, about epidemics being so much a part of
> everyday life.  Also, as Cheri said, could have been as simple as one child
> getting a communicable disease and passing it on the other child.  Since I
> first posted my question, I have come upon another two records showing twin
> infants who died within days of each other.  I’m extracting obits and it is
> so sad to see so many infants and toddlers dying in a month long period.
> So far, it’s been almos 50/50 between adults and infants/toddlers.  I now
> understand better why you always hear of the short life expectancy in
> bygone times.  Many people lived into their 70’s & 80’s but; so many died
> as infants/toddlers that the average was brought way down.  I feel so bad
> for all those families.
>
>
>
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>
>
>
> *From: *linda 
> *Sent: *Friday, March 1, 2019 8:28 PM
> *To: *Azores Genealogy 
> *Subject: *[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: July 1900 disaster Santa Maria?
>
>
>
> There are no major natural disasters listed here:
>
>
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_disasters_in_the_Azores
>
>
>
> So, I'm with Cheri and am putting my money on an epidemic:
>
>
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diseases_and_epidemics_of_the_19th_century
>
>
>
> A long while back, I read a 19th century travelogue that described the
> writer's ship's passengers as not being allowed to disembark at one of the
> Islands either 1) until the ship was cleared as being free of epidemic
> disease, or 2) not being allowed to disembark at all because the ship had
> come from a port where an epidemic had been occurring.  Sorry my
> recollection is vague and I don't recall the source. My point is, I
> suppose, that epidemics were so much a part of life that there was a
> bureaucracy in place to deal with them.
>
>
> On Friday, March 1, 2019 at 4:51:36 PM UTC-8, Sam Koester wrote:
>
> I’m doing obits right now and I have two siblings, one 11 months and the
> other 15 days old that died 9 days apart in July of 1900. (July 20 and 29
> th)  So sad.  Out of curiosity, does anyone know of some disaster that
> occurred around that time on Santa Maria island?  Sickness, earthquake, ??
>
>
>
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] July 1900 disaster Santa Maria?

[Mary Bordi]

I’m looking at deaths for another island. And indeed there are times when
there are one or more deaths every day for weeks, with families losing
several members.  So sad.

And then there are months with only a few deaths.

But I found one stretch of two months with no deaths at all and no notation
that the records had been lost...and THAT made me wonder! (This was in the
1850s.)

Mary

On Saturday, March 2, 2019, 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Linda;  Interesting thought, about epidemics being so much a part of
> everyday life.  Also, as Cheri said, could have been as simple as one child
> getting a communicable disease and passing it on the other child.  Since I
> first posted my question, I have come upon another two records showing twin
> infants who died within days of each other.  I’m extracting obits and it is
> so sad to see so many infants and toddlers dying in a month long period.
> So far, it’s been almos 50/50 between adults and infants/toddlers.  I now
> understand better why you always hear of the short life expectancy in
> bygone times.  Many people lived into their 70’s & 80’s but; so many died
> as infants/toddlers that the average was brought way down.  I feel so bad
> for all those families.
>
>
>
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>
>
>
> *From: *linda 
> *Sent: *Friday, March 1, 2019 8:28 PM
> *To: *Azores Genealogy 
> *Subject: *[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: July 1900 disaster Santa Maria?
>
>
>
> There are no major natural disasters listed here:
>
>
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_disasters_in_the_Azores
>
>
>
> So, I'm with Cheri and am putting my money on an epidemic:
>
>
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diseases_and_epidemics_of_the_19th_century
>
>
>
> A long while back, I read a 19th century travelogue that described the
> writer's ship's passengers as not being allowed to disembark at one of the
> Islands either 1) until the ship was cleared as being free of epidemic
> disease, or 2) not being allowed to disembark at all because the ship had
> come from a port where an epidemic had been occurring.  Sorry my
> recollection is vague and I don't recall the source. My point is, I
> suppose, that epidemics were so much a part of life that there was a
> bureaucracy in place to deal with them.
>
>
> On Friday, March 1, 2019 at 4:51:36 PM UTC-8, Sam Koester wrote:
>
> I’m doing obits right now and I have two siblings, one 11 months and the
> other 15 days old that died 9 days apart in July of 1900. (July 20 and 29
> th)  So sad.  Out of curiosity, does anyone know of some disaster that
> occurred around that time on Santa Maria island?  Sickness, earthquake, ??
>
>
>
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Regarding people you were looking for in Pico

[Mary Pimentel Wheeler]

Hi Marie and Deb 

I have lots of Evangelho's from Pico in my tree.  The Manuel Pereira 
Evangelho born 18 June 1819 is my 3rd great grandfather.  The others on the 
list are all related too, I have to look at the tree to determine exactly 
how.  Are any of these the same as your Manuel Pereira Evangelhos?  If so, 
we may have common ancestors



On Friday, February 22, 2019 at 4:31:01 PM UTC-8, DBM wrote:
>
> Hi Marie,
>  
> I was reading the message you sent to Marcio Borba (June 20, 2016).  I 
> have relatives with the same names from Pico. From what I quickly can tell, 
> we are in-laws in any number of ways.   It looks like our best match is 
> your #84 below.
>
> 73.  Rosa Francisca  your 5th great aunt.  I have 
> a Rosa Francisca/Francisco Rosa who is the spouse of Francisco Antonio 
> Goulart.  She is the mother-in-law of 2nd cousin 4XR
>  
> 163.Maria Alvares your 7th great grandparent.  I 
> have a Maria Alvares married to Tome Thome Afonso.  If it is the same 
> Maria, she is the step 2nd great grandmother of my 3rd great grandfather. 
>  
>  
> 84.  Jose Pereira Maciel your 5th great grand 
> uncle. I have this name, married to Joana Maria. They are my 4th great 
> grandparents.
>  
> 95.  Rosa Francisca your 2
> nd cousin 7XR.  For me, she is the Mother-in-law of 2nd cousin 4XR. 
>  
> 97.  Ana Rosa your 1st cousin 8XR.  My Ana Rosa 
> is married to Francisco Inacio Silveira.  Is this the same Ana?  If so, she 
> is the mother-in-law of 1st cousin 3XR
>  
> 194.Bento Rosa Goulart 
> your ½ 1st cousin 7XR
>  
> 195.Maria Rosario your 1st cousin 8XR. I have 
> three women by this name.  What are her dates on your tree?
>  
> 143.Antonia Jesus your 6th great grand aunt. 
>   She is the 2nd great aunt of my 5th great uncle.
>  
> 572.Matias Ferreira Evangelho your 8th great 
> grandparent.  He is the father-in-law of my 5th great grandfather.
>  
> 573.Domingas Pereira your 8th great grandparent.  
> She is the mother-in-law of my 5th great grandfather.
>  
> 574.Francisco Viera Goulart your 8th great 
> grandparent.  The father-in-law of my 3rd great uncle.
>  
> 575.Agueda Barbosa your 8th great grandparent.  
> She is the 2nd great grandmother of the wife of my 
> 5th great uncle.
>  
> 308.Manuel Matos Goulart 
> your ½ 8th great grandparent
>  
> 815.Luiza Almanca your 8th 
> great grandparent.  She is the wife of my 5th great grandfather.
>
> Hope we can investigate our connection and figure out how I might fit with 
> Marcia as well.
>
> Best, Deb 
>  
> *When I searched for ancestors, I found friends!*
>
>
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> *To:* marciobo...@yahoo.com ; azo...@googlegroups.com 
> ; azorea...@yahoo.com  
> *Sent:* Monday, June 20, 2016 5:35 PM
> *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Regarding people you were looking for in 
> Pico
>
> Dear Marcio Borba,
>  
> Last August in 2012 you sent out a list of people that you were looking 
> for in Pico Island.  I got busy and miss placed it and just found it.  Here 
> are the people that are my ancestors from that list.  (That was a very long 
> list!)
>  
> 67.  Maria Francisca   1/2  2nd C  7xR
>  
> 137.  Manuel Costa Goulart Concelos  1/2  1st C  8xR
>  
> 146.  Manuel Rosa Truzilho 6th great grand parent
>  
> 147.  Isabel Rosario   "  "   '" "
>  
> 73.  Rosa Francisca5th great grand aunt
>  
> 81.  Isabel Rosario  6th "   " "
>  
> 162.  Antonio Matos Goulart7th great grand parent
>  
> 163.  Maria Alvares " " "   "
>  
> 84.  Jose Pereira Maciel5th great grand uncle
>  
> 95.  Rosa Francisca2nd C   7XR
>  
> 97.  Ana Rosa 2nd C7XR
>  
> 194.  Bento Rosa Goulart 1/2  1stC  7XR
>  
> 195.  Maria Rosario1st C   8XR
>  
> 100.  Manuel Pereira Evangelho5th great grand parent
>  
> 101.  Isabel  Silveira "   " ""
>  
> 50.  Antonio Francisco Evangelho4th great grand uncle
>  
> 128  Antonio Matos Goulart  6th great grand uncle
>  
> 134.  Manuel Costa Goulart Concelos1/2   1st C  8XR
>  
> 143.  Antonia Jesus6th great grand aunt
>  
> 286.  Manuel Ferreira Sarmento  7th great grand parent
>  
> 287.  Isabel Espirito Santo """ "
>  
> 145.  Maria Homem6th great grand aunt
>  
> 290.  Antonio Sequeria   7th  great grand parent
> 
> 291.  Maria Faria "

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] A question about following the correct lineage

[Mary Bordi]

I’m having the same problem with the Joao Bernardo da Silvas in Norte
Grande, Sao Jorge. Several of the Joaos married Marias and had their own
Joao Bernardos. In trying to connect with Ancestry DNA matches with these
names in their trees I have come to the conclusion that there was more than
one Joao Bernardo da Silva family. And they were probably related.

I neglected to put the direct links to the archive documents in my tree so
now I need to go back and look up all the documents by date.

And on the godparent subject...one couple in my Rosais Sequeira family used
the same couple for godparents for all their children. And to me that
brings up the question of why...might there have been a family
relationship? More research needed!

I need more time!

Mary

On Sunday, February 24, 2019, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Sam,
>
> Yes, you kinda have to go with an educated guess. Then try to prove it
> with DNA.
>
> I come from a Miguel Correia in the Sao Miguel Arcanjo in Vila Franca. Son
> of Manuel Correia married to a Maria de Souza in the very early 1700s. I
> found Miguel's baptism and then I went about finding his siblings. It takes
> 9 months to make a baby. Miguel was born May 8 of 1709. OK, go back to July
> of 1708. So I started scrolling the mircofilm (this was B.C. - Before
> Computers). So I landed in July and scrolled back in time until I found
> another baby. Let's say the baby was born in December 1707 to make this
> example easy to follow. OK December (12) minus 9 months = March. Scroll,
> scroll, scoll. This is a Matriz and it's large. Stop and see if I'm in
> March. Nope, I'm in July and low and behold, Manuel Correia and Maria de
> Sousa are having a baby. There's no way a couple can have a baby in July
> and then present a baby in December for baptism. So I went back looking at
> every single record for ALL babies born to ANY Manuel Correia and Maria de
> Sousa. I took took them all home (the printed copies - this was B.C
> remember). The couple of times that the babies were born too close
> together, I knew it belonged to the other family. Then I looked at the
> godparents. One set of godparents seemed to appear over and over again. So
> I sorted the families based on godparents. Then I checked the births and it
> fits. So one Manuel Correia family has one set of godparents for their kids
> and the other Manuel Correia family has the mishmash godparents. Am I
> right? I have no idea. It's kinda of an educated guess. Because it's the
> very early 1700s, it's a little too far back for autosomal (Family Finder
> DNA). My dad's DNA should go back to about the 1730s and this line is about
> 25 years before that. So I'd have to find a male Correia and Y-DNA test
> them and then find a male Correia from the other Manuel and Y-DNA test and
> hope they aren't 1st cousins or something. And if they are? I may be back
> to my educated guess.
>
> When I have some time, I really should work this line more forwards and
> look for ALL siblings of both Manuel Correias and Maria de Sousas. And
> cross check for godparents.
>
> So long story short - if the records are old you are stuck with an
> educated guess. If the records are 1800s, DNA could possibly answer the
> question for you.
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 24, 2019 at 8:41 AM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Ok, this question is complicated to ask, let alone to figure out the
>> answer but; here goes…   With so many people of the same name marrying so
>> many people of the same name *and* with the priests sometimes writing
>> Francisco Tavares Monteiro and sometime Francisco Monteiro Tavares, s*ome
>> periods of time and some* *records* listing the grandparents and *some
>> not*; how the heck is one *ever sure* of following the correct/same
>> line?  Is it all just an educated guess?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks for your thoughts and expertise.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Living DNA results

[Mary Bordi]

I was already logged in to my existing account from the test I got from
them. There is “Upload” on the navigation bar at the top and I clicked on
that. See screenshots. The directions from there are self explanatory.

I finally found a page somewhere that said they want the unzipped cvs build
37 non concatenated (autosomal only) FTDNA file. I had mistakenly tried the
build 36 file (it seemed to upload okay). So now there are two under my
mom’s name until I can delete the extra. Right now those tests say “DNA
Uploaded” while mine says “Complete” so I assume they are processing.

Best of luck if you are doing it too!

Mary





On Tuesday, January 22, 2019, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Mary B,
>
> How did you upload it and which FTDNA file did you use? The v.37?
> Cheri
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 4:24 PM Mary Bordi  wrote:
>
>> I got my mon’s DNA info uploaded to LivingDNA from FTDNA and signed both
>> of us up for matching. This should be interesting.
>>
>> I had a little trouble finding which FTDNA file they wanted me to use
>> because some of their links are wonky but I think I got it right.
>>
>> Mary
>>
>> On Monday, January 21, 2019, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>
>>> When I worked the Living DNA booth last June, he said I'd be able to
>>> transfer my mom. I don't remember when. Something was supposed to come in
>>> the summer, and I seem to remember it being the matching. From what I see
>>> on various DNA posts, they are still in beta testing. If you turned the
>>> matching on, you may get to be a beta tester.
>>>
>>> I believe I emailed them about the transfers. If they don't answer by
>>> the end of the month, I'll try again. I have their phone number, but it's a
>>> UK number. I don't have the emails of the owner or his wife though. Cheri
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 21, 2019 at 7:13 PM Mary Bordi  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks for the info. The site has gotten updates as their 404 messages
>>>> tell me and some links don’t work right just yet.
>>>>
>>>> I’m looking around for sharing info and the like and I think I signed
>>>> up. I am also wondering about transferring my mom’s info. Gotta get them
>>>> more Azorean DNA. I saw some sort of form but didn’t have her info at hand
>>>> (and didn’t see if there was a cost) so haven’t pursued that yet.
>>>>
>>>> Mary
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, January 21, 2019, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I did mention Living DNA. They are working on teasing apart the
>>>>> British Isles and then expanding to other countries. I agree that your DNA
>>>>> did not match their reference sample population, so the algorithm took a
>>>>> guess and put you in Tuscany and Sardinia. As they develop and get more
>>>>> samples, you'll see more refinements over time.
>>>>>
>>>>> They do have Portuguese samples though. My dad is half Azorean and
>>>>> half British Isles stuff. Here's his ethnicity estimate:
>>>>> [image: image.png]
>>>>> [image: image.png]
>>>>>
>>>>> I know my dad's DNA is "Frankish" and misinterpreted by all the DNA
>>>>> testing companies. So I'm sure that "France" part is probably part of my
>>>>> dad's Azorean and didn't match their population samples fully, but matched
>>>>> some of them.
>>>>>
>>>>> Be sure to opt in to their DNA Matching when it becomes available. I
>>>>> have my dad's turned on and I sit and wait. I'm also waiting to hear about
>>>>> transferring my deceased mom's DNA over. I emailed them and heard nothing
>>>>> back except a form letter that says it can take up to 30 days for them to
>>>>> answer! Wow, a new company who will eventually hire more support staff, I
>>>>> hope.  Cheri
>>>>> Cheri Mello
>>>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jan 21, 2019 at 1:11 PM Mary Bordi 
>>>>> wrote:
>&g

[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Living DNA results

[Mary Bordi]

I got my mon’s DNA info uploaded to LivingDNA from FTDNA and signed both of
us up for matching. This should be interesting.

I had a little trouble finding which FTDNA file they wanted me to use
because some of their links are wonky but I think I got it right.

Mary

On Monday, January 21, 2019, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> When I worked the Living DNA booth last June, he said I'd be able to
> transfer my mom. I don't remember when. Something was supposed to come in
> the summer, and I seem to remember it being the matching. From what I see
> on various DNA posts, they are still in beta testing. If you turned the
> matching on, you may get to be a beta tester.
>
> I believe I emailed them about the transfers. If they don't answer by the
> end of the month, I'll try again. I have their phone number, but it's a UK
> number. I don't have the emails of the owner or his wife though. Cheri
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 21, 2019 at 7:13 PM Mary Bordi  wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the info. The site has gotten updates as their 404 messages
>> tell me and some links don’t work right just yet.
>>
>> I’m looking around for sharing info and the like and I think I signed up.
>> I am also wondering about transferring my mom’s info. Gotta get them more
>> Azorean DNA. I saw some sort of form but didn’t have her info at hand (and
>> didn’t see if there was a cost) so haven’t pursued that yet.
>>
>> Mary
>>
>> On Monday, January 21, 2019, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>
>>> I did mention Living DNA. They are working on teasing apart the British
>>> Isles and then expanding to other countries. I agree that your DNA did not
>>> match their reference sample population, so the algorithm took a guess and
>>> put you in Tuscany and Sardinia. As they develop and get more samples,
>>> you'll see more refinements over time.
>>>
>>> They do have Portuguese samples though. My dad is half Azorean and half
>>> British Isles stuff. Here's his ethnicity estimate:
>>> [image: image.png]
>>> [image: image.png]
>>>
>>> I know my dad's DNA is "Frankish" and misinterpreted by all the DNA
>>> testing companies. So I'm sure that "France" part is probably part of my
>>> dad's Azorean and didn't match their population samples fully, but matched
>>> some of them.
>>>
>>> Be sure to opt in to their DNA Matching when it becomes available. I
>>> have my dad's turned on and I sit and wait. I'm also waiting to hear about
>>> transferring my deceased mom's DNA over. I emailed them and heard nothing
>>> back except a form letter that says it can take up to 30 days for them to
>>> answer! Wow, a new company who will eventually hire more support staff, I
>>> hope.  Cheri
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 21, 2019 at 1:11 PM Mary Bordi  wrote:
>>>
>>>> I just got my results back from Living DNA. (See image) I thought I had
>>>> heard about Livimg DNA in this group? My main purpose in using them was my
>>>> “British” Ancestry which they are said to focus on. But the Portuguese
>>>> results were interesting.
>>>>
>>>> Interesting in that they may have been interpreted as Tuscany and
>>>> Sardinia! The Great Britan part of it seems in line with my known ancestry
>>>> but gives me more specifics. I also have the German component. But my known
>>>> Portuguese (Azorean) and French do not appear. And since I do not know of
>>>> any in my family from Tuscany or Sardinia or anywhere in modern Italy I am
>>>> thinking this is where my French and Portuguese are showing up.
>>>>
>>>> Of course, there is always the chance of an Azorean “pai incognito”
>>>> having been a sailor from wherever who landed in (or invaded) the Azores.
>>>>
>>>> It will be interesting to see developments in this testing company!
>>>>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Living DNA results

[Mary Bordi]

Thanks for the info. The site has gotten updates as their 404 messages tell
me and some links don’t work right just yet.

I’m looking around for sharing info and the like and I think I signed up. I
am also wondering about transferring my mom’s info. Gotta get them more
Azorean DNA. I saw some sort of form but didn’t have her info at hand (and
didn’t see if there was a cost) so haven’t pursued that yet.

Mary

On Monday, January 21, 2019, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> I did mention Living DNA. They are working on teasing apart the British
> Isles and then expanding to other countries. I agree that your DNA did not
> match their reference sample population, so the algorithm took a guess and
> put you in Tuscany and Sardinia. As they develop and get more samples,
> you'll see more refinements over time.
>
> They do have Portuguese samples though. My dad is half Azorean and half
> British Isles stuff. Here's his ethnicity estimate:
> [image: image.png]
> [image: image.png]
>
> I know my dad's DNA is "Frankish" and misinterpreted by all the DNA
> testing companies. So I'm sure that "France" part is probably part of my
> dad's Azorean and didn't match their population samples fully, but matched
> some of them.
>
> Be sure to opt in to their DNA Matching when it becomes available. I have
> my dad's turned on and I sit and wait. I'm also waiting to hear about
> transferring my deceased mom's DNA over. I emailed them and heard nothing
> back except a form letter that says it can take up to 30 days for them to
> answer! Wow, a new company who will eventually hire more support staff, I
> hope.  Cheri
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 21, 2019 at 1:11 PM Mary Bordi  wrote:
>
>> I just got my results back from Living DNA. (See image) I thought I had
>> heard about Livimg DNA in this group? My main purpose in using them was my
>> “British” Ancestry which they are said to focus on. But the Portuguese
>> results were interesting.
>>
>> Interesting in that they may have been interpreted as Tuscany and
>> Sardinia! The Great Britan part of it seems in line with my known ancestry
>> but gives me more specifics. I also have the German component. But my known
>> Portuguese (Azorean) and French do not appear. And since I do not know of
>> any in my family from Tuscany or Sardinia or anywhere in modern Italy I am
>> thinking this is where my French and Portuguese are showing up.
>>
>> Of course, there is always the chance of an Azorean “pai incognito”
>> having been a sailor from wherever who landed in (or invaded) the Azores.
>>
>> It will be interesting to see developments in this testing company!
>>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Downloading FTDNA results

[Mary Bordi]

I had my nephew test with FTDNA and his results came back around a week
ago. I have been trying to download the results file in order to upload to
gedmatch but I keep getting an error. Research tells me that it takes “a
few days” for the download to be available. I’m wondering if it’s just the
amount of tests that were processed after Christmas that’s delaying things
or if there is a problem. Anyone have any idea of the normal timeframe I
should expect?

I added him to the Azores FTDNA project even though he is only one eighth
Azorean. He got DNA from my mom that I don’t have via my brother so I
thought it was worthwhile.

Mary

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Family Census Document - Pico island - What does "Fogo" mean?

[Mary Pimentel Wheeler]

I was able to access a census document that listed one of my ancestor's and 
his family - nice to have and contains good info.  I can translate almost 
everything, but there are places where they say a family lived at "Fogo 
321, Rua do Bagacos".  I think FOGO translated literally means fire, but 
this appears to be a house number.  Can it also mean something like house 
or home?   Maybe loosely translated as "hearth", meaning where the family 
lives?

Thanks translators!

Mary

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Salt Verde - Sao Jorge Records

[Mary Bordi]

Could it be Poço Verde? There is an area of Topo with that name. (A street
or road by that name in the postal code index.)

Look for it here:

https://www.geopostcodes.com/Topo_Nossa_Senhora_do_Rosario

At any rate, aren’t the earlier records for Santo Antao under Topo? I’d
look there.

Mary

On Thursday, November 29, 2018, Marilyn Thompson  wrote:

> Does anyone know where the Salt Verde Records would be located?
>
> I have a map that shows Salt Verde on the North side of Sao Jorge toward
> the Santa Antao end of the island
>
> Marilyn Thompson
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] uploading gedcom to ftdna

[Mary Bordi]

Thanks for asking this Sam! Just today I was trying to add a relationship
and I encountered the same problem. I had attempted this quite a while back
but became confused and didn’t pursue it. I agree, we must be missing
something!

Mary



On Friday, November 23, 2018, 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Well, I’ve never used the search box on FTDNA before.  Didn’t even realize
> it was there.  Ok, I found the person I want to add a relationship for.
> She is my 4th cousin but; when I click on add relationship the only
> choices I see are father, mother, sibling, spouse, son or daughter.  How do
> I add 5th cousin?
>
>
>
> Sorry to be so slow on this and thanks very much for your help,
>
>
>
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>
>
>
> *From: *Cheri Mello 
> *Sent: *Friday, November 23, 2018 5:18 PM
> *To: *Azores Genealogy 
> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] uploading gedcom to ftdna
>
>
>
> Hi Sam,
>
>
>
> Your choice. You can delete the existing tree or just let the new tree
> override the old one. (I just let the new one override the old one).
>
>
>
> The viewing of the tree is only 4 generations. So you search for the
> person. In the attached screen shot, I searched for Maria de Jesus. If
> you've entered birth dates, they appear. If not, you'll have to click on
> each one of your Maria's to see who she is married to in order to find the
> correct one.
>
>
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 23, 2018 at 1:41 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> Hello all;  Can someone tell me please, if I want to update my family tree
> on FTDNA, do I still have to delete the existing tree and start fresh?
>
>
>
> Also, if you find a relationship that is more than 4 generations back, how
> do you connect them to your tree on FTDNA since it only shows 4 generations
> maximum or am I missing something?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Testing MyHeritage Transfer

[Mary Bordi]

I just transferred mine and my mother’s. She passed away several years ago.
I have regretted not having her test with Ancestry, so this was a no
brainer!

Of course we are both on Gedmatch, too.

I had an account with MyHeritage several years ago so there is an existing
tree. I didn’t renew with them because I had only found only one other tree
with a possible match and they never responded to my inquiry. Now I’m
getting possible matches to my old tree but would have to join to view them
LOL!

Right now I’m just in it for the DNA. :)

Mary



On Thursday, November 15, 2018, Rosemarie Capodicci 
wrote:

> Hi List,
> I transferred my FTDna raw data over to MyHeritage with Cheri's
> instructions, on Nov. 12th. I just now was notified that my ethnicity
> breakdown was available. Quite a few differences from FTDna! On FTDna I
> have *zero *Iberian ethnicity showing, on MyHeritage I show 47%! I show
> 84% Europe with 47% Iberian (Spain/Portugal) and 28% Greek (don't show this
> at all on FTDna. I'm showing 12% N. Africa and 1.8% Middle East which is
> basically what I show on FTDna. So, if you want to check out another DNA
> Company transfer your raw data over and take a look!
>
> Rosemarie
> rcap...@gmail.com
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ancestry

[Mary Bordi]

I have seen strange entries like that on other people’s trees and thought
it might have been an error on the suggestions that pop up when entering a
place name. I have not seen it on items I’ve entered on my own tree.

I’m going to go check in case they’ve done something!

Mary

On Sunday, November 11, 2018, Mike  wrote:

> I use Ancestry mostly to a place for digital info in case I lose hdd.
> Does anyone else use Ancestry and did the places you list for births or
> anything else get changed by them? I’ve all of a sudden had countries like
> Senegal, Mexico listed for certain persons where entered say do Salao for
> my gggrandmother and not it says Senegal.
>
> Mike
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Can siblings have different DNA estimates?

[Mary Bordi]

My granddaughters share very different amounts of DNA with me.  One shares
1973 cm with me and the other only 1533 cm!  So I can see how the estimates
can vary!

Mary



On Saturday, August 25, 2018, Richard Francis Pimentel <
rfrancispimen...@comcast.net> wrote:

> *A question that is always asked is can siblings have different DNA
> estimates? This article from Dick Eastman’s blog attempts to explain.*
>
>
>
> *https://blog.myheritage.com/2018/08/dna-can-siblings-have-different-ethnicity-estimates/
> <https://blog.myheritage.com/2018/08/dna-can-siblings-have-different-ethnicity-estimates/>
> *
>
>
>
> *Rick*
>
> *Richard Francis Pimentel*
>
> *Epping, NH*
>
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Search data base

[Mary Bordi]

I have seen that all the time on Ancestry. Ive looked on Family Search
because someone claimed the info was well documented but in the little
investigating I’ve done there I don’t see where it’s any better than
Ancestry. (I may be wrong!)

I hate it on Ancestry when I get a new “hint” that looks promising and then
when I look into the source it’s only someone else’s unsourced tree.

It’s great that we have the ability to look up the baptisms, weddings and
obits in the original documents from the Azores and like Doreen I have
found dates in other’s trees to be wrong. I have seen this mostly when I’m
investigating what may be a DNA link. Some of those trees are not well
sourced.

Mary

On Saturday, July 21, 2018,  wrote:

> I just started exploring the Family Search database. In one case I found
> children older than their parents. In another case I found a death date but
> when I when to it that date in the records it is not there. Is this typical
> for this database? Are there so many error? Is there a way to access their
> reference for the fact they show? Should I make someone there aware of the
> errors
>
> Doreen Caetano
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows 10
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Manuel Pimentel SEPO

[Mary Pimentel Wheeler]

Oops, sorry!  I’ll fix that.

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Manuel Pimentel SEPO

[Mary Pimentel Wheeler]

HI all - here is the link to the record where I found a Manuel Pimentel 
SEPO.  I think he is the same person that I have a baptismo for, but he was 
listed as Manuel Sabastiao Pimentel in all the other records.  Does anyone 
know why he may have had the SEPO tagged onto his name? I've not run into 
that anywhere before.

The name looks like "Lepo" or "Sepo" at the top of the document, but at the 
bottom it is definitely Sepo.  

thanks,

 
https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/2361/007776366_00054?pid=867279=https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv%3D1%26dbid%3D2361%26h%3D867279%26tid%3D70906537%26pid%3D44387808452%26hid%3D100030891616%26usePUB%3Dtrue%26_phsrc%3DOIO1979%26_phstart%3Ddefault%26usePUBJs%3Dtrue=70906537=44387808452=100030891616=true&_phsrc=OIO1979&_phstart=default=true

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Needs pronunciation and vocabulary help

[Mary Bordi]

Ah yes, the good old casinha! That was a word that came down from my great
grandparents! I knew of one lady who was on the mainland and asked the way
to the casinha. She was puzzled when she was directed down the street to
the casino!

We also used a little metal pot when we went camping that we called
something that sounded like “pen-eek” and I see the translation for chamber
pot is “penico”.

We had lost most of our Portuguese by the time I came along.  But others
who were visiting the islands that I met on my trips to the Azores were
told they spoke “old fashioned” Portuguese.

Mary


On Tuesday, July 10, 2018, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Repost for Earl Medeiros, earlcmedeiros at yahoo.com
>
>
> I am 100% Portuguese….the last of a dying breed….am of an elderely
> age..but still very interested in my ethnicity.  Because of my age, I have
> little or no information regarding my family background as the data is much
> too old.
>
>
> I am 84 years old, and as near as I remember, my father, Manuel Caton
> Medeiros was about 55 years of age,  when he died about 50 years ago…he was
> born in St. Michael.  Grew up in New Bedford, Mass. My mother also of
> Portuguese parents … born in N.B., has a shady and data-less
> background….ergo born approximately  150 years ago.
>
>
> My Portuguese, is fluent…but because the last 50 years, I have lived in
> Chicago area…fluency has suffered.. Have been back to Portugal about 20
> times where I am told that I speak “old Portuguese” For example in a
> restaurant I asked for the casinha…which I was told was lavatorio..but for
> my grandmother who taught me all my Portuguese..she was raised on the
> islands in which days there was no indoor water or electricity..but there
> was a little house…the casinha…or outhouse...just one of the many island
> terms and accents I was taught.
>
>
> I am interested in any information associated with the different
> vocabulary and or sotoque peculiar to island vocabulary.
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] searching 4 husband/wife Joaquin A Pereira(b 1817) and Therese Julia Tavares (b. 1834) from SãoJorge

[Mary Bordi]

Sorry, forgot to add--Theresa's baptism is top of right hand page.

On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 3:44 PM Mary Bordi <busybo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Possibly Teresa/Theresa's baptism. My eyes are giving out so that's all
> for today. Good thing she wasn't Maria or Anna! And also, 1833 was easy to
> find because it was at the end of the listing which is not broken down by
> year. . :)
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-VELAS-B-1821-1833/SJR-VL-VELAS-B-1821-1833_item1/P277.html
>
> Mary
> (Researching Norte Grande and Rosais, Sao Jorge)
>
> On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 3:28 PM Mary Bordi <busybo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Right names, right timeframe, maybe this is them. Married in Velas 4 July
>> 1858--right hand page:
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-VELAS-C-1831-1860/SJR-VL-VELAS-C-1831-1860_item1/P187.html
>>
>>
>> Mary
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 3:01 PM E. Sharp <bellema...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Are there any Sao Jorge researchers who can help her. Joaquin Pereira b.
>>> 1827 and Therese Julia Tavares b. 1833. Both born Sao Jorge. I don't have
>>> specifics..i.e. Church, area???
>>>
>>> "E"
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Mar 27, 2018, at 2:29 PM, Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Coelho crossed my mind too, but I didn't know what to do about the "r."
>>> So many possibilities!
>>>
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 2:22 PM, Richard Francis Pimentel <
>>> richard.francis.pimen...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> *Coelho*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Rick*
>>>>
>>>> *Richard Francis Pimentel*
>>>>
>>>> *Epping, NH*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and
>>>> Ponta Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On
>>>> Behalf Of *Cheri Mello
>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 27, 2018 4:13 PM
>>>> *To:* Azores Genealogy
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] searching 4 husband/wife Joaquin A
>>>> Pereira(b 1817) and Therese Julia Tavares (b. 1834) from SãoJorge
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I keep thinking what has a C,L, and r in it. But with accents and an
>>>> English speaking person writing names they aren't familiar with, it could
>>>> be!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cheri Mello
>>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 12:34 PM, Mary Bordi <busybo...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Could Collero actually be Cordeiro?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 12:25 PM Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> So far, the only thing coming to mind for that "Collero" looking word
>>>> is Clara. Which isn't a surname. Maybe mom was Maria Clara? Maybe someone
>>>> else has a guess.
>>>>
>>>> You'll need more of a paper trail on them. Here's a how to, full of
>>>> things to try: https://goo.gl/dGG4Ar
>>>>
>>>> Good luck, Cheri
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cheri Mello
>>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 10:02 AM, "E" Sharp <bellema...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ​Sparrow,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I am sending you some information to your personal email address.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "E"
>>>>
>>>> ​
>>>>
>>>>
>>>

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] searching 4 husband/wife Joaquin A Pereira(b 1817) and Therese Julia Tavares (b. 1834) from SãoJorge

[Mary Bordi]

Possibly Teresa/Theresa's baptism. My eyes are giving out so that's all for
today. Good thing she wasn't Maria or Anna! And also, 1833 was easy to find
because it was at the end of the listing which is not broken down by year.
. :)

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-VELAS-B-1821-1833/SJR-VL-VELAS-B-1821-1833_item1/P277.html

Mary
(Researching Norte Grande and Rosais, Sao Jorge)

On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 3:28 PM Mary Bordi <busybo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Right names, right timeframe, maybe this is them. Married in Velas 4 July
> 1858--right hand page:
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-VELAS-C-1831-1860/SJR-VL-VELAS-C-1831-1860_item1/P187.html
>
>
> Mary
>
> On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 3:01 PM E. Sharp <bellema...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Are there any Sao Jorge researchers who can help her. Joaquin Pereira b.
>> 1827 and Therese Julia Tavares b. 1833. Both born Sao Jorge. I don't have
>> specifics..i.e. Church, area???
>>
>> "E"
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Mar 27, 2018, at 2:29 PM, Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Coelho crossed my mind too, but I didn't know what to do about the "r."
>> So many possibilities!
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 2:22 PM, Richard Francis Pimentel <
>> richard.francis.pimen...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> *Coelho*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Rick*
>>>
>>> *Richard Francis Pimentel*
>>>
>>> *Epping, NH*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and
>>> Ponta Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On
>>> Behalf Of *Cheri Mello
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 27, 2018 4:13 PM
>>> *To:* Azores Genealogy
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] searching 4 husband/wife Joaquin A
>>> Pereira(b 1817) and Therese Julia Tavares (b. 1834) from SãoJorge
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I keep thinking what has a C,L, and r in it. But with accents and an
>>> English speaking person writing names they aren't familiar with, it could
>>> be!
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 12:34 PM, Mary Bordi <busybo...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Could Collero actually be Cordeiro?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 12:25 PM Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> So far, the only thing coming to mind for that "Collero" looking word is
>>> Clara. Which isn't a surname. Maybe mom was Maria Clara? Maybe someone else
>>> has a guess.
>>>
>>> You'll need more of a paper trail on them. Here's a how to, full of
>>> things to try: https://goo.gl/dGG4Ar
>>>
>>> Good luck, Cheri
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 10:02 AM, "E" Sharp <bellema...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> ​Sparrow,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I am sending you some information to your personal email address.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "E"
>>>
>>> ​
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 9:26 AM, Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Sparrow (do you have a real name? You did not sign your name to the
>>> email)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'll have to think about this. Her dad might be Joaquim J. Enos which
>>> may be Inacio.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Women didn't have surname in that time period. I will have to think
>>> about what they are trying to say. Maybe someone else will come up with the
>>> answer.
>>>
>>> Cheri Mello
>>>
>>>
>>>

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] searching 4 husband/wife Joaquin A Pereira(b 1817) and Therese Julia Tavares (b. 1834) from SãoJorge

[Mary Bordi]

Right names, right timeframe, maybe this is them. Married in Velas 4 July
1858--right hand page:

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-VELAS-C-1831-1860/SJR-VL-VELAS-C-1831-1860_item1/P187.html

Mary

On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 3:01 PM E. Sharp <bellema...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Are there any Sao Jorge researchers who can help her. Joaquin Pereira b.
> 1827 and Therese Julia Tavares b. 1833. Both born Sao Jorge. I don't have
> specifics..i.e. Church, area???
>
> "E"
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 27, 2018, at 2:29 PM, Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Coelho crossed my mind too, but I didn't know what to do about the "r." So
> many possibilities!
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 2:22 PM, Richard Francis Pimentel <
> richard.francis.pimen...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> *Coelho*
>>
>>
>>
>> *Rick*
>>
>> *Richard Francis Pimentel*
>>
>> *Epping, NH*
>>
>>
>>
>> *Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and
>> Ponta Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On
>> Behalf Of *Cheri Mello
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 27, 2018 4:13 PM
>> *To:* Azores Genealogy
>> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] searching 4 husband/wife Joaquin A
>> Pereira(b 1817) and Therese Julia Tavares (b. 1834) from SãoJorge
>>
>>
>>
>> I keep thinking what has a C,L, and r in it. But with accents and an
>> English speaking person writing names they aren't familiar with, it could
>> be!
>>
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 12:34 PM, Mary Bordi <busybo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Could Collero actually be Cordeiro?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 12:25 PM Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> So far, the only thing coming to mind for that "Collero" looking word is
>> Clara. Which isn't a surname. Maybe mom was Maria Clara? Maybe someone else
>> has a guess.
>>
>> You'll need more of a paper trail on them. Here's a how to, full of
>> things to try: https://goo.gl/dGG4Ar
>>
>> Good luck, Cheri
>>
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 10:02 AM, "E" Sharp <bellema...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> ​Sparrow,
>>
>>
>>
>> I am sending you some information to your personal email address.
>>
>>
>>
>> "E"
>>
>> ​
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 9:26 AM, Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Sparrow (do you have a real name? You did not sign your name to the email)
>>
>>
>>
>> I'll have to think about this. Her dad might be Joaquim J. Enos which may
>> be Inacio.
>>
>>
>>
>> Women didn't have surname in that time period. I will have to think about
>> what they are trying to say. Maybe someone else will come up with the
>> answer.
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mar 27, 2018 9:19 AM, "Sparrow King" <sparrowir...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Joaquin (or Joaquim) came to Oakland, CA and changed his last name to
>> King and his first name to Joseph.
>>
>>
>>
>> He and Therese (Theresa, Thereza?) had a bunch of children including
>> Antonio Roger Pereira (who became Antonio King or Anthony King)
>>
>>
>>
>> Antonio King is my great grandfather.
>>
>>
>>
>> I am trying to find out more info of Joaquin's ancestors as well as
>> Therese's ancestors.
>>
>>
>>
>> Attached is Theresa's death certificate but I cannot decipher her
>> father's name and unsure of her mother's maiden name. Please help?
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] searching 4 husband/wife Joaquin A Pereira(b 1817) and Therese Julia Tavares (b. 1834) from SãoJorge

[Mary Bordi]

Could Collero actually be Cordeiro?

On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 12:25 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> So far, the only thing coming to mind for that "Collero" looking word is
> Clara. Which isn't a surname. Maybe mom was Maria Clara? Maybe someone else
> has a guess.
>
> You'll need more of a paper trail on them. Here's a how to, full of things
> to try: https://goo.gl/dGG4Ar
> Good luck, Cheri
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 10:02 AM, "E" Sharp  wrote:
>
>> ​Sparrow,
>>
>> I am sending you some information to your personal email address.
>>
>> "E"
>> ​
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 9:26 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>
>>> Sparrow (do you have a real name? You did not sign your name to the
>>> email)
>>>
>>> I'll have to think about this. Her dad might be Joaquim J. Enos which
>>> may be Inacio.
>>>
>>> Women didn't have surname in that time period. I will have to think
>>> about what they are trying to say. Maybe someone else will come up with the
>>> answer.
>>> Cheri Mello
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mar 27, 2018 9:19 AM, "Sparrow King"  wrote:
>>>
>>> Joaquin (or Joaquim) came to Oakland, CA and changed his last name to
>>> King and his first name to Joseph.
>>>
>>> He and Therese (Theresa, Thereza?) had a bunch of children including
>>> Antonio Roger Pereira (who became Antonio King or Anthony King)
>>>
>>> Antonio King is my great grandfather.
>>>
>>> I am trying to find out more info of Joaquin's ancestors as well as
>>> Therese's ancestors.
>>>
>>> Attached is Theresa's death certificate but I cannot decipher her
>>> father's name and unsure of her mother's maiden name. Please help?
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pico History and Portuguese Customs 1825

[Mary Bordi]

Mike--

I would recommend a visit to the Azores if at all possible. There are some
good museums and even modern day artisan workshops that are preserving
handicrafts of long ago. Knowing some of the language might help. There are
probably many studies written in Portuguese.

Have you looked around this website:
http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/default.aspx (Same site where online
archives are located.)

They might have online info from the museums. I wanted to reply before I
forgot so I didn't look for anything specific.

Mary


On Sat, Mar 17, 2018 at 10:23 AM Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Mike,
>
> Pico is not going to be different than any other of the Azores islands.
>
> Illiteracy was high for both children and adults. I want to say this did
> not change until the 1900s. Children did tasks for their age and size. Some
> milked cows. Some pulled weeds. Others may have churned butter.
>
> A child would be sent away most likely for a better opportunity or a
> better life.
>
> Most of Pico would have emigrated from the port of Horta. Those records
> start in 1836: https://tombo.pt/en/d/acores
>
> You might want to see if your local public library has a copy of "Atlantic
> Islanders of the Azores and Madeiras" by Francis M. Rogers. Part I is "The
> Lives of Azoreans and Madeirans" and Part II is "Their Values." It's
> written from a American perspective though. I read it 20 years ago so I
> can't tell you specifically what it was about. Maybe I should reread it.
>
> Cheri
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 11:24 PM, Mickey Blue <michaelsemm...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi All, can anyone direct me to book(s) or information, hopefully
>> translated into English, which describe social customs and life in general
>> on Pico in 1825/35 when my Great grandfather Manuel Jacinto was born and
>> left Pico? Were children of that era literate? Was school available to all?
>> What work was expected of children under 10 years of age? Why would a ten
>> year old leave home? Are there shipping records to Trinidad or Madeira (he
>> possibly went to Madeira first).
>>
>> These are all things I would dearly like to know. I am hoping to write an
>> historically accurate fiction based on what I know about this remarkable
>> man. I know his parents lived and died on Pico. Though he was the oldest
>> child he was charged with stealing a Frenchman's watch in Trinidad in
>> December 1836, he had just turned 11. I am guessing he was there because
>> slavery was abolished and in 1834 the plantation owners on Trinidad
>> (probably mostly French) were looking for cheap labour to replace their
>> slaves.  The British had taken possession of Trinidad by then and Manuel
>> was tried and sentenced under British law. He spent the next two years on a
>> prison Hulk on the Thames in London before being "Transported" to Van
>> Diemen's Land, now Tasmania Australia, to finish his seven years sentence
>> (sentences were generally, hanging, 7 years or life transportation at that
>> time).
>>
>> If anyone has connections with Trinidad I would be interested if any
>> court records from that era survived and how to access them (I have written
>> to officials in Trinidad but have not received a reply).
>>
>> I would be happy to have any information that would help me understand
>> life at that time. Thank you in anticipation.
>>
>> Mike Emmett
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Garcia, Alvernaz, Caetano, Sequeira, in Santa Clara and San Jose Co, California, no dates

[Mary Bordi]

Gordon--

Someplace I think there is an explanation about the layout of pages. In
this case I think when the book was laid out open the men's names were on
the left page and beneficiaries on the right page. But they were captured
in two photos, so you have to make sure you are reading the corresponding
lines.

I also noticed the term "consorte" and may have even asked about it but
(hanging head in shame) now don't remember exactly the difference from
esposa. A civil marriage perhaps?

It is really interesting going though the different councils, even when you
don't think they apply to your family. I was looking for someone else in
Los Banos and found an entry for someone who is listed as a boarder on the
U.S. Census with one of my relatives in another county because that's where
their beneficiary lived.

Mary Bordi

On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 12:08 PM Gordon soares <gws...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Mary:
>
> Thanks so much for the UPEC address.  Can you tell me a few things about
> the lists? I take it that one list contains the names of the men enrolled
> and the second list the names of the women who are to receive some kind of
> benefit after husbands death?  Also, when looking at the wive’s list I see
> “consort” under “porques Direito” ? Is Consort another name for married
> (Casado)?
>
> Thanks
> Gordon
>
> On Mar 8, 2018, at 2:28 PM, Mary Bordi <busybo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I happened to run into a Manuel Silva Sequeira in Mission San Jose in the
> UPEC records when I was looking for someone else. It says he was from Sao
> Jorge. His wife was Maria. I don't know if this is the same one but I
> thought I'd share.
>
> If anyone is interested go here and download the Mission San Jose PDF:
>
>
> http://www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/research-aids-a---l/fraternal-societies/upec-records.html
>
> I'm not putting the direct link because it's 44 pages and took a long time
> to load for me.. Manuel appears for the first time on page 3.
>
> It caught my eye because of my Sequeira ancestors but I'm not sure there's
> a connection.
>
> Mary
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 8:54 PM Rose Zbyzenski <rose.zbyzen...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Manuel Sequiera was the man who fostered my Great Grandmother Harvey
>> {Alvernas, Caton} in the early 1900s. he lived in Mission San Jose. i have
>> not researched him because he was not a blood relative. i can also tell you
>> he was on the original charter of the I.D.E.S., Irmandade do Divino
>> Espirito Santo, and signed the permission slip for my Great grandmother so
>> she could be married, in January 1904. Hope this helps.
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 5:09 PM, bigal429 via Azores Genealogy <
>> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I noticed Sequeira in your genealogy. Where is your Sequeira from?
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On Mar 6, 2018, at 7:35 PM, Rose Zbyzenski <rose.zbyzen...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thank you for your help.Not sure what I am doing , yet I will give it a
>>> try.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, March 6, 2018 at 2:54:29 PM UTC-8, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Repost for rose.zbyzenski at gmail.com
>>>>
>>>> NOTE: Rose Z: Posts are closed after 30 days. You are responding to
>>>> postings from 5 years ago. It's best just to start a new thread/post after
>>>> 30 days. Since you sent so many messages in a piecemeal style, in a short
>>>> amount of time, the system thinks you are a spammer. So I just copied and
>>>> pasted them together which makes no sense. I suggest you save
>>>> azo...@googlegroups.com in your address book. Then start a new email.
>>>> Address it to azo...@googlegroups.com. In the subject line, I'd list
>>>> the ancestors last name(s), state or Azores island where they lived, and a
>>>> year or span. Then in the body I'd go into more detail. Maybe someone will
>>>> remember these posts from 5 years ago. We have list members who have passed
>>>> on as well, so you may be answering someone who is not on the list anymore.
>>>>
>>>> Rose Z's posts:
>>>>
>>>> been 5 years away from site. Just read your post, yes, Warm Springs was
>>>> a district of Washington township. I believe Milpitas was considered Santa
>>>> Clara County.
>>>>
>>>> Susan, I have been away from this site for a about 5 yrs. Yes, most of
>>>> this is familiar to me, I am connected to most of what you have written.
>>>>
>>>> Been away fro this site for 5years. Thank you, for your info. Yes

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Garcia, Alvernaz, Caetano, Sequeira, in Santa Clara and San Jose Co, California, no dates

[Mary Bordi]

I happened to run into a Manuel Silva Sequeira in Mission San Jose in the
UPEC records when I was looking for someone else. It says he was from Sao
Jorge. His wife was Maria. I don't know if this is the same one but I
thought I'd share.

If anyone is interested go here and download the Mission San Jose PDF:

http://www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/research-aids-a---l/fraternal-societies/upec-records.html

I'm not putting the direct link because it's 44 pages and took a long time
to load for me.. Manuel appears for the first time on page 3.

It caught my eye because of my Sequeira ancestors but I'm not sure there's
a connection.

Mary


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wrote:

> Manuel Sequiera was the man who fostered my Great Grandmother Harvey
> {Alvernas, Caton} in the early 1900s. he lived in Mission San Jose. i have
> not researched him because he was not a blood relative. i can also tell you
> he was on the original charter of the I.D.E.S., Irmandade do Divino
> Espirito Santo, and signed the permission slip for my Great grandmother so
> she could be married, in January 1904. Hope this helps.
>
> On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 5:09 PM, bigal429 via Azores Genealogy <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> I noticed Sequeira in your genealogy. Where is your Sequeira from?
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Mar 6, 2018, at 7:35 PM, Rose Zbyzenski <rose.zbyzen...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Thank you for your help.Not sure what I am doing , yet I will give it a
>> try.
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 6, 2018 at 2:54:29 PM UTC-8, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>>
>>> Repost for rose.zbyzenski at gmail.com
>>>
>>> NOTE: Rose Z: Posts are closed after 30 days. You are responding to
>>> postings from 5 years ago. It's best just to start a new thread/post after
>>> 30 days. Since you sent so many messages in a piecemeal style, in a short
>>> amount of time, the system thinks you are a spammer. So I just copied and
>>> pasted them together which makes no sense. I suggest you save
>>> azo...@googlegroups.com in your address book. Then start a new email.
>>> Address it to azo...@googlegroups.com. In the subject line, I'd list
>>> the ancestors last name(s), state or Azores island where they lived, and a
>>> year or span. Then in the body I'd go into more detail. Maybe someone will
>>> remember these posts from 5 years ago. We have list members who have passed
>>> on as well, so you may be answering someone who is not on the list anymore.
>>>
>>> Rose Z's posts:
>>>
>>> been 5 years away from site. Just read your post, yes, Warm Springs was
>>> a district of Washington township. I believe Milpitas was considered Santa
>>> Clara County.
>>>
>>> Susan, I have been away from this site for a about 5 yrs. Yes, most of
>>> this is familiar to me, I am connected to most of what you have written.
>>>
>>> Been away fro this site for 5years. Thank you, for your info. Yes, my
>>> grandmother's name is Helen Evelyn {Alvernas, spelling?} Harvey Garcia. It
>>> appears that somewhere around the early 1900s name changed from Alvernas to
>>> Harvey. I really appreciate your help[.
>>>
>>> Lynn, just started researching again after 5 years. Many changes in my
>>> life. Yes, i think the Manuel Caton the 3rd name could be by Great
>>> grandma's grandfather, because of the dates. He seems to have a son named
>>> Manuel. I think this is her father, Manuel, eventually living around
>>> Ashland. And he and his wife passing from possibly TB within weeks of each
>>> other. then the children were given out to relatives or friends. My great
>>> grandma landed in Mission San Jose. And married a few years later to
>>> another Manuel. Alvernaz, changing name to Harvey. Also, I believe the man
>>> who fostered her was Manuel Sequiera of Mission. thank you so much for your
>>> help.
>>>
>>> Elaine, This is Rose Zbyzenski. I have not been on this site for about 5
>>> years.Very shortly after I wrote the first post I was contacted by my
>>> cousin who lived near my parents, and alerted me to a problem with my
>>> parents. My mother past, shortly ,thereafter, I took on all of their
>>> affairs, including my Dad who was in dementia. Then my oldest son passed,
>>> along with other passings. My ex husband past last year. So after , all
>>> these events and being the executor to their wills.I am trying yo find my
>>> way back to myself. I hop this explains why I did not contact any of you. I
>>> so ap

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please help me verify Parents

[Mary Bordi]

He married Quiteria Maria, widow of Jose Silveira Quadrado.

On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 8:03 AM Marilyn Thompson  wrote:

> Sorry for all of the requests. I have found some dates that may indicate I
> have wrong information in my tree. So I am trying to make sure of my paper
> trail. I really appreciate the help.
> With that said I have another marriage record for Jose Antonio Gonsalves.
> I can tell it is him as his parents are named. Not sure after that.
>
> It looks like he married___  _ widow of Jose Silveira
> _ marriage date: 8 October 1829?  Any additional information is
> appreciated
>
> goo.gl/8C7ur2left side of the page
>
> Marilyn
>
> On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 9:39 PM, Marilyn Thompson 
> wrote:
>
>> Thank you Cheri that is what I was reading too
>>
>> Thank you Rosemarie for the ages. He had to have lied about his age
>> according to the baptismal record I found for him. Her age is correct.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 8:55 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> ​Marilyn, line 7--elle idade 58 annos, line 11--ella 22 annos. ​
>>>
>>> Rosemarie
>>> rcap...@gmail.com
>>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 6:43 PM, Marilyn Thompson 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Is there anything in the marriage that gives any clue as to the age of
 the bride and groom?



 On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 6:34 PM, Cheri Mello 
 wrote:

> It looks like in the marriage, the bride is the legitimate daughter of
> Manuel Teixeira and Maria Victorina. Yet in the baptism they say the mom
> (bride) is the illegitimate daughter. Something is weird. Cheri
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 4:52 PM, Marilyn Thompson 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1860-1869/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1860-1869_item1/P175.html
>>
>>
>> Record #35 Isabel  birth date 2 May 1867  baptism: 2 June 1867
>>
>> father: Jose Antonio Goncalves   mother: Marianna Jose
>>
>> Paternal: Manoel Gonsalves Fagundes & Clara dos Anjos
>>
>> Maternal: Maria Victorina single
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-TOPO-C-1860-1869/SJR-CH-TOPO-C-1860-1869_item1/P26.html
>>
>> Marriage record #15 This is the marriage of Jose Antonio Goncalves
>> and Mariana Jose 18 Dec 1862.
>>
>> It looks like the parents match up. Can someone help me with the
>> additional names?  I see what looks like Manoel Teixeira and Maria
>> Victorina. Is that correct?
>>
>> Thank you for your help.
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Mariana Pimentel b 1850 Lomba, Flores - need help with translation

[Mary Pimentel Wheeler]

Thank you all for the SPEEDY help!  I also learned some new words 
today...this is the first set of twins that I've found in my family.



On Monday, February 19, 2018 at 3:41:33 PM UTC-8, Mary Pimentel Wheeler 
wrote:
>
> The record is #4, 2nd from the bottom of the right hand page.
>
>
>
> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-LF-LOMBA-B-1844-1874/FLR-LF-LOMBA-B-1844-1874_item1/P22.html
>
>
>
> I need a little help with the part about her and her twin being born, 
> starting with "nasceo..." on line 4.  I get it that she is a twin, and I 
> believe her twin was born and died the same day, perhaps stillborn or 
> didn't survive?  However, I don't see a birth/baptismo for the twin, so am 
> not sure if it was a boy or girl, or if the baptism record for him/her even 
> exists.  Would they  have baptized a stillborn child?  
>
>
> Thank you friends,
>
> Mary
>
>
>
>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Mariana Pimentel b 1850 Lomba, Flores - need help with translation

[Mary Pimentel Wheeler]

 

The record is #4, 2nd from the bottom of the right hand page.


http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-LF-LOMBA-B-1844-1874/FLR-LF-LOMBA-B-1844-1874_item1/P22.html



I need a little help with the part about her and her twin being born, 
starting with "nasceo..." on line 4.  I get it that she is a twin, and I 
believe her twin was born and died the same day, perhaps stillborn or 
didn't survive?  However, I don't see a birth/baptismo for the twin, so am 
not sure if it was a boy or girl, or if the baptism record for him/her even 
exists.  Would they  have baptized a stillborn child?  


Thank you friends,

Mary





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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Orzilena, Sao Miguel?

[Mary Bordi]

Ponte is not a common name on Sao Jorge, but it does exist. I would also go
with Urzelina!

And having a not-so-common name may make him easier to find (as long as he
as using that name!).

Mary


On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 4:47 PM Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I would say that Orzilena is Urzelina on Sao Jorge.
>
> Most people from Sao Jorge left from Angra or Horta. A few did leave from
> Ponta Delgada on Sao Miguel island. So if you have a date, I'd look down
> the island column for Sao Jorge island. It'll stick out like a sore thumb!
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 4:18 PM, Sandra Perez <perezsandra...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Thank you, Bill.
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 4:07 PM, <bsei2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I know of Urzelina on São Jorge.  I am not familiar with a place on São
>>> Miguel with a name similar to that.
>>>
>>> Bill Seidler
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese social group

[Mary Bordi]

The FM stands for "Flor da Mocidade"

http://www.azores.gov.pt/Portal/pt/entidades/srapre-drcomunidades/contactos/SESFM+-+Flor+da+Mocidade.htm

I Googled it. LOL!

Mary

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> Has anyone ever heard of the SESFM Portuguese lodge in the Calif area?
> Manual Machado Soares was supposedly one of the 6 founding members and was
> the President for awhile. He is my grand father born in Pico.I don’t know
> what the SESFM stands for.
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ancestry

[Mary Bordi]

When I have searched for names on family trees, a private tree will pop up
once in a while in the list along with public trees. A message says to
contact the owner if I want to know more. I cannot search the tree and if
the hit is like many of the ones for public tress it isn't even really the
name I am search for but might be similar.

I am suspicious of any hits on Ancestry now. In trying to find out how I
link to a DNA match many times I have found that the source of the
information on their tree is another Ancestry member's tree. And often it's
my tree!

I have a minimal tree that's public and one going further back that is not.
I'll have to look into the non-searchable option that was mentioned.

Mary

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> As new people come into genealogy, they don't realize at all that the
> trees may be works in progress or theories. They think that it all correct.
> They don't know yet how to evaluate the evidence and what to do with
> conflicting evidence. It's a learning process that they will have to
> learn.  Cheri
>
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Digest for azores@googlegroups.com - 13 updates in 3 topics

[Mary]

 Thanks Rick for the confirmation, and Cheri for the literal translation.  I 
was struggling with that one.  I'll put the wording in my cheat sheet for next 
time I run across it.  And yes, Cheri - they did have inverted names, making me 
just a little bit crazy at times.
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Date of Birth? Antonio Sebastiao Pimentel, Lomba, Flores   
|   Mary Pimentel Wheeler <pimwh...@gmail.com>: Jan 01 04:05PM -0800  

 I "think" Antonio's date of birth AND baptism were both on 22 April 1891, 
but I'm not sure. Could someone confirm his actual DOB? Thanks!
 
http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-LF-LOMBA-B-1875-1900/FLR-LF-LOMBA-B-1875-1900_item1/P168.html
 
 
Baptized 22 April 1891
 
Born 22 April 1891 
 
Son of Sebastiao Jose Pimentel (laborer) & Maria Goncalves de 
Freitas(housewife).
 
Paternal grandparents – Sebastiao Jose Pimentel & Maria Trindade do Coracao 
de Jesus.
 
Maternal grandparents – Joao Antonio Goncalves and Isabel de Trindade do 
Coracao de Jesus.
  |
|   Richard Francis Pimentel <richard.francis.pimen...@gmail.com>: Jan 01 
07:18PM -0500  

 That is the same birth and baptism date I see.
 
Rick
 
 
 
From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Pimentel Wheeler
Sent: Monday, January 1, 2018 7:06 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Date of Birth? Antonio Sebastiao Pimentel, Lomba, 
Flores
 
 
 
I "think" Antonio's date of birth AND baptism were both on 22 April 1891, but 
I'm not sure. Could someone confirm his actual DOB? Thanks!
 
 
 
http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-LF-LOMBA-B-1875-1900/FLR-LF-LOMBA-B-1875-1900_item1/P168.html
 
 
 
Baptized 22 April 1891
 
Born 22 April 1891 
 
Son of Sebastiao Jose Pimentel (laborer) & Maria Goncalves de 
Freitas(housewife).
 
Paternal grandparents – Sebastiao Jose Pimentel & Maria Trindade do Coracao de 
Jesus.
 
Maternal grandparents – Joao Antonio Goncalves and Isabel de Trindade do 
Coracao de Jesus.
 
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|   Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com>: Jan 01 04:25PM -0800  

 Hi Mary,
He literally said that he was born "in this freguesia at the mid day of the
same day twenty-two of the referenced month and year." Or that's my
translation of it.
 
I see dad as Jose Sebastiao Pimentel though and his dad as Sebastiao Jose
Pimentel. So either the father and grandfather have inverted names or the
priest had too much vinho!
 
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
 
On Mon, Jan 1, 2018 at 4:18 PM, Richard Francis Pimentel <
  |

  Back to top Marriage 1903 Ribeirinha SM   
|   "Richard Francis Pimentel" <rfrancispimen...@comcast.net>: Jan 01 11:36AM 
-0500  

 Here is an interesting marriage.
 
 
 
Manuel Jacinto Moreira marries Virginia dos Santos Amaral on 25 Apr 1903
here #6
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-190
0-1905/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1900-1905_item1/P40.html 
 
 
 
I don't understand everything that is written but something is wrong with
the marriage I think it is that a dispensation was needed so the marriage
was invalid and they had to re do it here #16 on 25 Nov 1903.
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-190
0-1905/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1900-1905_item1/P47.html 
 
 
 
The first record looks like any other marriage except for the margin note
which was added later. The second one I think it says that after they were
married they need a dispensation for the 4th degree of affinity?
 
 
 
If a native speaker could translate that section so I could better
understand. Thanks.
 
 
 
Rick
 
Richard Francis Pimentel
 
Epping, NH
 
 
 
Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande, Bretanha, and Ponta
Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores
  |
|   Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com>: Jan 01 08:55AM -0800  

 I think you are right. Good think you have both. I didn't see the parents
of the bride and groom listed in the 2nd one.
 
Did they have a child between the marriages?
 
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,

[AZORES-Genealogy] Date of Birth? Antonio Sebastiao Pimentel, Lomba, Flores

[Mary Pimentel Wheeler]

I "think" Antonio's date of birth AND baptism were both on 22 April 1891, 
but I'm not sure.  Could someone confirm his actual DOB?  Thanks!

http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-LF-LOMBA-B-1875-1900/FLR-LF-LOMBA-B-1875-1900_item1/P168.html


Baptized 22 April 1891

Born 22 April 1891 

Son of Sebastiao Jose Pimentel (laborer) & Maria Goncalves de 
Freitas(housewife).

Paternal grandparents – Sebastiao Jose Pimentel & Maria Trindade do Coracao 
de Jesus.

Maternal grandparents – Joao Antonio Goncalves and Isabel de Trindade do 
Coracao de Jesus.

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Social Security Number

[Mary Pimentel Wheeler]

Quick question - can you get any information regarding a deceased ancestor 
if you have their SSN?  If so, what sort of info can you get, and how do 
you request it?

thank you,

Mary

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Off topic. Gmail app notice.

[Mary Bordi]

I get the message when I access this group (and others) via the web. (I
also have the gmail app. I use both at various times.) Usually you can
click something to continue without the app.

Mary

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Bettencourt

[Mary Bordi]

I wouldn't rely on the census for correct spelling. If the person being
interviewed was illiterate they may not have known how to spell their name.
Then it was up to the census taker to sound it out, sometimes from a heavy
accent! Even the records in the Azores have different spellings for some
names in different eras. I have most often seen it spelled Bettencourt here
in California. (My ancestors are from Sao Jorge and there is Bettencourt in
the family.)

Where did the Bettencourt you are looking for settle in the US? East or
West coast or somewhere in between? I would pretty much bet they were from
the Azores.

Mary

On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 9:34 AM <pat_fr...@byu.edu> wrote:

> I have 2 questions:
>
> 1st - I just want to know the correct spelling of Bettencourt - I've found
> a 1900 census record that has Bettencort. Are they both correct spellings,
> or is Bettencourt the most common spelling? Is Bettencort of varied
> spelling or just plain wrong?
>
> 2nd - I am looking for a Manuel T. Bettencourt (born May 1866) and his
> wife Maria Lourenca de Silva Fagundes (born January 1865). I do not know
> where they were born, the census record just has Portugal. They immigrated
> in 1886. 2 of their daughters (Marie and Ana) married 2 of my grandfather's
> uncles (Antone and Francisco or Frank). So there is no DNA connection on my
> end. I am very interest to know if they were from the Azores. I personally
> knew Marie, Ana, and another sister Alvina. Plus I am good friends with
> Alvina's grandson, and he told me at our class reunion last summer that he
> would like to research his genealogy.
>
> If any one has any information could you please pass it along.
>
> Thanks so much!!
> Pat Frade
>
>
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Coupon codes for Family Tree DNA (FTDNA)

[Mary Bordi]

I just got a couple of $25 off Big Y and sent them on to Cheri.

I did Family Finder for my two granddaughters and their results are not in
yet but the holiday offer showed up for them! So if this is the case for
you, check those accounts!

Mary

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Have trouble getting into my info in Family Tree ?

[Mary Bordi]

"I don't know that the FTDNA site is iPad friendly."

It's a little bit more friendly than it was... For a while there was little
to no indication that anything was happening "in the background" after
you'd click on something. Like the little spinner icons or others you might
see on your computer, depending what system you use. Now at least it
sometimes says, "loading. And it's really hard to look at the trees (for
me) on my iPad.

And don't get me started on how the tree section reacts to the mouse I use
with my Mac computer!

But we persist, don't we...since we want that information!

Mary

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> Hi George M,
>
> I don't know that the FTDNA site is iPad friendly. I know it's NOT mobile
> friendly. They've been working on that one for a couple of years. Since I
> don't have an iPad, I don't know what FTDNA looks like when viewed from
> that device.
>
> GEDCOM = GEnealogy Data COMmunication. It's a platform all genealogy
> programs have that allow us to share files with each other. If you have no
> computer, then you aren't using a stand alone genealogy program. I don't
> know what they have for iPad genealogy programs. If you are using a cloud
> based genealogy program (Ancestry, My Heritage, Geni), they can create a
> Gedcom. Do an Internet search on: "ancestry.com download gedcom" or "my
> heritage download gedcom" or "geni download gedcom" or whatever you use.
> Then you can follow the directions from there.
>
> For the cousins who tested with AncestryDNAthey can transfer to FTDNA
> for free. To unlock all their tools is $10 on sale (regularly $19). They
> should transfer as soon as possible, as I don't know when the sale is
> ending. Then have them contact me and I'll tell them how to get into the
> Azores DNA Project.
>
> Please use the full name of Family Tree DNA or FTDNA. There are too many
> things out there called "Family Tree" and it gets to be rather ambiguous.
> Thanks! Cheri
>
>
> Cheri Mello
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> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] UPEC Membership records on Azores GenWeb

[Mary Bordi]

Thank you! The others were very helpful and these should be, too!

On Sat, Sep 2, 2017 at 11:35 AM Kathy Cardoza  wrote:

> On my recent trip to Salt Lake City’s Family History Library for the
> Azores Genealogy Conference, I completed digitizing the remainder of the
> UPEC Membership Records.  The collection is now complete on the Azores
> GenWeb site.
>
> If you’re not familiar with these records ….. they are for California
> ancestors only. The UPEC is a fraternal society that many of our ancestors
> joined for the insurance benefits as well as the socializing with others
> from their country of origin. They list men only but mothers, wives,
> children, etc. may be listed as their beneficiary. They can be an important
> resource for finding out the details of where your ancestor came from. Go
> here to find out more (you may want to copy and paste the links):
> http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~azrwgw/research-aids-a---l/fraternal-societies/
>
> The records are listed here:
> http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~azrwgw/research-aids-a---l/fraternal-societies/upec-records.html
>
> New records recently added:
>
> San Leandro #55, E. Oakland, Madera, Sonora, Valona, Newcastle, Folsom.
> Roseville, Guadalupe, Santa Maria, Crockett, Gilroy, Chico, Palo Alto, Mt.
> View, Santa Maria, Newman, Point Loma, San Juan Baptista, Vacaville,
> Vallejo, Los Banos, Turlock, Lincoln, Castroville, Atwater, Fort Bragg,
> Felton, Oakland #82, Oakley, S. San Francisco, Greenview and Etna, Rodeo,
> Elmhurst, E. San Jose, San Luis Obispo, Martinez, and Napa.
>
> Enjoy!
> Good luck and happy hunting!
> Kathy
> ~~~
> Visit the Azores GenWeb Project:
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~azrwgw/index.html
> ~~~
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Almada family; Sao Jorge; DNA testing

[Mary Bordi]

Good to know that Almeida and Almada are not the same (even if things
changed in the US. We know how THAT goes!).

Mary

On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 5:03 PM Rosemarie Capodicci <rcap...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Mary,
> Cheri just asked me to clarify what I was saying about Almeida and Almada.
> These are two different Surnames in Norte Grande, Sao Jorge, Azores. In the
> USA Almeida may have been corrupted to Almada so I just wanted to make that
> clear.
>
>
> Rosemarie
> rcap...@gmail.com
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>
> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 4:15 PM, Mary Bordi <busybo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I wanted to add that in Norte Grande records I have also come across the
>> last name Almeida. I do not know if it's an alternate spelling of Almada.
>> Just throwing that out there. I guess I should check the new marriage index
>> and see it its in there.
>>
>> Mary
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 4:15 PM CW <chase.weil...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I have long suspected that my ancestor, Antonio de Almada (b. abt.
>>> 1800), who came to the United States in 1836 via the whaling industry and
>>> settled in New York, originated from Sao Jorge. But for a long time, my
>>> suspicion was mostly due to the fact that most people with the Almada
>>> surname seem to come from the area centered around Norte Grande. Recently,
>>> however, I stumbled on another clue that provides even more concrete
>>> evidence that that is in fact where Antonio came from.
>>>
>>> Several years ago I had my DNA tested on Ancestry.com. It wasn't until a
>>> couple weeks ago while searching through my DNA matches I found a distant
>>> cousin who claimed to be descended from a Joao de Sousa de Almada from
>>> Sao Jorge. While I am not descended from this particular person myself,
>>> when I trace his genealogy back a couple generations in the parish records,
>>> I come to the family of Manoel de Souza de Almada and his wife, Anna. They
>>> had a son named Antonio that was born around the right time that my
>>> ancestor would have been. And if this Antonio is indeed my ancestor, that
>>> would explain my genetic connection to the person on Ancestry.com who said
>>> he was descended from Joao de Sousa de Almada - and more importantly, I
>>> would confirm the date and place of my ancestor's birth.
>>>
>>> But of course, there is also a chance that our link is through a
>>> different ancestor altogether. So the way to prove it would be to find
>>> another known descendant of the Almada family from Norte Grande and see if
>>> we're also connected. I notice DNA testing seems to be a major topic for
>>> discussion in this group - is there anyone out there who is also descended
>>> from this family?
>>>
>>> Appreciate any help anyone can offer. Thanks!
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Almada family; Sao Jorge; DNA testing

[Mary Bordi]

I wanted to add that in Norte Grande records I have also come across the
last name Almeida. I do not know if it's an alternate spelling of Almada.
Just throwing that out there. I guess I should check the new marriage index
and see it its in there.

Mary

On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 4:15 PM CW <chase.weil...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I have long suspected that my ancestor, Antonio de Almada (b. abt. 1800),
> who came to the United States in 1836 via the whaling industry and settled
> in New York, originated from Sao Jorge. But for a long time, my suspicion
> was mostly due to the fact that most people with the Almada surname seem to
> come from the area centered around Norte Grande. Recently, however, I
> stumbled on another clue that provides even more concrete evidence that
> that is in fact where Antonio came from.
>
> Several years ago I had my DNA tested on Ancestry.com. It wasn't until a
> couple weeks ago while searching through my DNA matches I found a distant
> cousin who claimed to be descended from a Joao de Sousa de Almada from
> Sao Jorge. While I am not descended from this particular person myself,
> when I trace his genealogy back a couple generations in the parish records,
> I come to the family of Manoel de Souza de Almada and his wife, Anna. They
> had a son named Antonio that was born around the right time that my
> ancestor would have been. And if this Antonio is indeed my ancestor, that
> would explain my genetic connection to the person on Ancestry.com who said
> he was descended from Joao de Sousa de Almada - and more importantly, I
> would confirm the date and place of my ancestor's birth.
>
> But of course, there is also a chance that our link is through a different
> ancestor altogether. So the way to prove it would be to find another known
> descendant of the Almada family from Norte Grande and see if we're also
> connected. I notice DNA testing seems to be a major topic for discussion in
> this group - is there anyone out there who is also descended from this
> family?
>
> Appreciate any help anyone can offer. Thanks!
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Almada family; Sao Jorge; DNA testing

[Mary Bordi]

Chase, my ancestry user name is mscontrary. My most complete tree on
ancestry is Mary_Armstrong_Bordi and it should be public. I am not 100%
certain the names I mentioned are there--I got them off my computer
genealogy program.

Mary

On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 4:50 PM CW <chase.weil...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Mary,
>
> Thanks for replying! Can I find you under Mary Bordi at Ancestry, or
> should I look under a different name?
>
> I'll look into transferring my results from Ancestry to FTDNA - perhaps
> I'll find more cousins there that will help me narrow this down.
>
> On Tuesday, August 15, 2017 at 9:12:49 PM UTC-4, Mary Bordi wrote:
>
>> My fourth great grandmother married a Manuel Francisco Almada in 1803 in
>> Norte Grande. I also have Andrè de Sousa Almada (born in 1700s) as sixth
>> great grandfather (different line) whose father may have been Joao.
>>
>> I have tested with Ancestry, FTDNA and 23andMe but more importantly my
>> mom (who is half Azorean and closer to the source) tested with FTDNA. We
>> are both on gedmatch.
>>
>> Not sure if this is the same Almada family. I have ancestors going far
>> back in Norte Grande.
>>
>> Mary
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 4:15 PM CW <chase@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
> Hello,
>>>
>>> I have long suspected that my ancestor, Antonio de Almada (b. abt.
>>> 1800), who came to the United States in 1836 via the whaling industry and
>>> settled in New York, originated from Sao Jorge. But for a long time, my
>>> suspicion was mostly due to the fact that most people with the Almada
>>> surname seem to come from the area centered around Norte Grande. Recently,
>>> however, I stumbled on another clue that provides even more concrete
>>> evidence that that is in fact where Antonio came from.
>>>
>>> Several years ago I had my DNA tested on Ancestry.com. It wasn't until a
>>> couple weeks ago while searching through my DNA matches I found a distant
>>> cousin who claimed to be descended from a Joao de Sousa de Almada from
>>> Sao Jorge. While I am not descended from this particular person myself,
>>> when I trace his genealogy back a couple generations in the parish records,
>>> I come to the family of Manoel de Souza de Almada and his wife, Anna. They
>>> had a son named Antonio that was born around the right time that my
>>> ancestor would have been. And if this Antonio is indeed my ancestor, that
>>> would explain my genetic connection to the person on Ancestry.com who said
>>> he was descended from Joao de Sousa de Almada - and more importantly, I
>>> would confirm the date and place of my ancestor's birth.
>>>
>>> But of course, there is also a chance that our link is through a
>>> different ancestor altogether. So the way to prove it would be to find
>>> another known descendant of the Almada family from Norte Grande and see if
>>> we're also connected. I notice DNA testing seems to be a major topic for
>>> discussion in this group - is there anyone out there who is also descended
>>> from this family?
>>>
>>> Appreciate any help anyone can offer. Thanks!
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Almada family; Sao Jorge; DNA testing

[Mary Bordi]

My fourth great grandmother married a Manuel Francisco Almada in 1803 in
Norte Grande. I also have Andrè de Sousa Almada (born in 1700s) as sixth
great grandfather (different line) whose father may have been Joao.

I have tested with Ancestry, FTDNA and 23andMe but more importantly my mom
(who is half Azorean and closer to the source) tested with FTDNA. We are
both on gedmatch.

Not sure if this is the same Almada family. I have ancestors going far back
in Norte Grande.

Mary

On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 4:15 PM CW <chase.weil...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I have long suspected that my ancestor, Antonio de Almada (b. abt. 1800),
> who came to the United States in 1836 via the whaling industry and settled
> in New York, originated from Sao Jorge. But for a long time, my suspicion
> was mostly due to the fact that most people with the Almada surname seem to
> come from the area centered around Norte Grande. Recently, however, I
> stumbled on another clue that provides even more concrete evidence that
> that is in fact where Antonio came from.
>
> Several years ago I had my DNA tested on Ancestry.com. It wasn't until a
> couple weeks ago while searching through my DNA matches I found a distant
> cousin who claimed to be descended from a Joao de Sousa de Almada from
> Sao Jorge. While I am not descended from this particular person myself,
> when I trace his genealogy back a couple generations in the parish records,
> I come to the family of Manoel de Souza de Almada and his wife, Anna. They
> had a son named Antonio that was born around the right time that my
> ancestor would have been. And if this Antonio is indeed my ancestor, that
> would explain my genetic connection to the person on Ancestry.com who said
> he was descended from Joao de Sousa de Almada - and more importantly, I
> would confirm the date and place of my ancestor's birth.
>
> But of course, there is also a chance that our link is through a different
> ancestor altogether. So the way to prove it would be to find another known
> descendant of the Almada family from Norte Grande and see if we're also
> connected. I notice DNA testing seems to be a major topic for discussion in
> this group - is there anyone out there who is also descended from this
> family?
>
> Appreciate any help anyone can offer. Thanks!
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Warning about DNA Projects on Social Media.

[Mary Bordi]

Good to know I'm not the only one wondering what's going on. I have been a
little irritated by certain things on social media, too. Someone, not the
"main" person, has been giving (possibly well meant but...) erroneous
information to newbies. I can't stand to watch.

I have only one mtDNA match and that's at the lowest level. But it's to a
man whose mother's family has lived in a certain part of Portugal for
generations. That means a lot to me! It's worth having taken the test! As
more people test I'm sure there will be more matches.

Mary

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation "na ladeira"

[Mary Bordi]

I have hears of steep streets being named "Ladeira do _". Although
there is no street named it sounds like she died there, in the parish of
Santa Catherina, not at home where she lived on Caminho Novo. I am not a
native speaker so I may be reading something into this. I did compare to
other obits to see how they were written.

Mary

On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 4:09 PM Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote:

> And I use Google: translate.google.com
>
> You can probably search for: online translators
>
> And try a few out and pick the one you like best.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 1:55 PM, Richard Francis Pimentel <
> rickredle...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> *I used Bing Translator https://www.bing.com/translator/
>> <https://www.bing.com/translator/> *
>>
>>
>>
>> *It translates “on the slope”*
>>
>>
>>
>> *Rick*
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On
>> Behalf Of *Sme
>> *Sent:* Friday, August 11, 2017 4:50 PM
>> *To:* azores
>> *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation "na ladeira"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-O-1880-1889/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-O-1880-1889_item1/P3.html
>>
>> Right side bottom   Maria Delfina.  3rd line down,
>> meaning/translation of the words  "na ladeira"
>>
>> I can pretty much read the rest.   The translator couldn't translate it.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Also,  Does anyone else use a translation program on line and if so,
>> what would you recommend.   I've been using Babylon but it's a hit and miss.
>>
>> Suzanne
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Trouble with names ... relatives of João Silveira Leonardo, Sao Jorge

[Mary Bordi]

Could it be Martinho de Souza Machado?

Mary

On Friday, August 11, 2017, Eric Souza <ericcharles.so...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm having difficulty with some of the names in this record ...
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-
> CH-TOPO-B-1870-1879/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1870-1879_item1/P46.html
>
> 16 Nov 1871, João Silveira Leonardo
>
> Specifically, the paternal grandfather ... is that "Mocticho" de Souza
> Machado? And paternal grandmother Anna Silveira Leonardo?
>
> Maternal grandparents, Francisco Joze de Azevedo and Marianna Cucicao?
>
> Thanks!
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Azorean passports vs ship passenger manifest

[Mary Bordi]

Thanks Tomás! I have been able to find passports for my great grandparents
who came at different times during the period you state that they were not
required. That's good to know.

Mary

On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 6:10 AM 'Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Very Interesting Tomás!
>
> Susan Vargas Murphy
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 10, 2017, at 8:32 AM, Tomas Leal <tomasl...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Not all immigrants to the U.S. arrived with official passports. My
> grandfather's oldest brother emigrated from Horta in 1885, but his passport
> was issued later to verify his Portuguese citizenship and was signed for by
> his younger brother, who remained in Flamengos the rest of his life. His
> signature is on the back of the passport. I assume that after-the-fact
> documents were not rare, as I cannot imagine any official issuing a
> passport for someone who had already left the country. It's possible your
> ancestors simply came over without papers.
>
> Apparently, passports were not always required for entry to the U.S. For
> example, https://familysearch.org/wiki/en/United_States_Passports shows
> periods when passports were required, and it appears none were required
> between 1862 and 1918. To my knowledge, my paternal grandfather from the
> Azores is the only one of my four grandparents who had a passport; the
> other three did not.
>
> My Azorean grandfather, who emigrated in 1907, did have a passport before
> his departure. Because he was already 18, his passport states he was
> granted an exemption from military service. He probably felt the need for a
> passport stating his military exemption because he would have been
> forbidden by law from leaving the country ahead of fulfilling his military
> obligation. My other grandparents did not have the same issue. In those
> days, many young men swam or rowed out to the ship rather than leave from
> the port, so they could evade the authorities and emigrate without
> fulfilling military service, which might have caused further hardship on
> the family--loss of labor on the farm, loss of income, and so on. I don't
> know why or how my grandfather got this exemption, though I assume some
> sort of "hardship" was claimed. His father (my great-grandfather) had
> already died, leaving the farm to his widow (my great-grandmother). Three
> of his brothers (including his oldest one) had already emigrated and the
> oldest brother had already sent passage from Horta to New York and New York
> to Oakland when my grandfather applied for his passport. Thus, my
> grandfather was fully sponsored before he emigrated.
>
> Tomás Leal
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Corvo picture - 1924

[Mary Bordi]

I have seen knitted hats like those in the picture on the boy in front and
the man sitting. They said they were were worn on Corvo--and so it was!

Mary

On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 10:49 AM Eliseu Pacheco da Silva <
eliseuman...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Sorry. I fixed it already.
>
>
>
> *De:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *Em nome
> de *Cheri Mello
> *Enviada:* terça-feira, 25 de julho de 2017 17:26
> *Para:* Azores Genealogy <azores@googlegroups.com>
> *Assunto:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Corvo picture - 1924
>
>
>
> I don't see any picture though :(
>
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 10:23 AM, Eliseu Pacheco da Silva <
> eliseuman...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi all!
>
> Found this picture in a book about José Leite de Vasconcelos written by
> Pedro da Silveira, published 1959.
>
> The picture was taken in Corvo Island, around June 1924.
>
> The one taking notes is José Leite de Vasconcelos and the one behind the
> young boy is Guilherme Emílio Inocêncio, the “cabo-de-mar” (“sea-corporal”
> a local authorithy back then).
>
>
>
> May be the ancestors of someone are there… at least you will get an ideia
> of how things were back those days.
>
>
>
> Muito Obrigado,
>
> *Eliseu Pacheco da Silva*
>
> *“Sharing is one of the most profitable human resources” *
>
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>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Simoa, born Manadas, Sao Jorge island, early 1600s

[Mary Bordi]

It's the location inside the church where she was buried. I don't know the
history of that church (though I believe it has been well documented) so I
don't know if it has been rebuilt since that time. So if the church is the
same as it was then you might be able to figure out the location if you
went there (somewhere up from the side doors). I have several obits that
note similar burials but in another church. At some point burials were no
longer allowed inside the church and people were buried in the cemetary.

Mary

On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 2:07 PM Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Repost for Tony Amarant, tony_amarant at hotmail.com
>
> As a mater of interest, my 7th great grandmother was Catarina SIMOA
> possibly born Manadas, Sao Jorge around the early 1600s died 24 October
> 1685 and buried 25 October 1685 "in a sepulture in the church of São
> Barbara from the transversal doors upwards" what that means if someone
> could explain. Thanks, Tony
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Patron Saints

[Mary Bordi]

My great grandmother was Maria. Her religious name, which she still signed
occasionally after coming to the US and marrying, was Maria das Neves. She
was from Norte Grande, Sao Jorge where the parish church is Nossa Senhora
das Neves.

I actually found a medal of "Our Lady of the Snows" on eBay.

Mary

On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 12:05 AM 'Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Just an observation…if you want to get medals to represent your
> grandparents ancestry….I think what Margaret said is meaningful about the
> patron saints for the parishes….
>
> My ancestry is from mostly Castelo Branco Faial…..My grandmother, had in
> her belongings a little statue of St Catarina and then, just recently, I
> watched over a 94 year old relative who passed away and her father was born
> also in Castelo Branco. In my relative’s wallet was a very old Holy Card of
> Sta Catarina. So it is my deduction that these parish saints were very
> meaningful to our people.
>
> Susan Vargas Murphy
>
> On Jul 12, 2017, at 8:27 PM, Tish M <tish.me...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Very nice explanation. I do enjoy learning about the culture of the
> Islands and the Catholic Church which is so intertwined with one another.
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 7:44 PM, Margaret Vicente <
> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> If I may, and to clarify - because an island bears the name of a Saint it
>> does not mean it is "The" patron saint for that island.  Sao Miguel is the
>> patron saint in the parish that venerates him which is the Matrix of Vila
>> Franca do Campo.
>>
>> Sao Miguel, Santa Maria and Sao Jorge are island names.
>>
>> Regarding patron saints for Faial.
>>
>> There's no St John of Caldeira.  Following is a list of all the patron
>> saints for that island
>>
>>
>>- Senhor Santo Cristo (Holy Christ) -  Paia do Almoxarife (February
>>1st)
>>- São João Baptista,[St. John Baptist] patron of the nobility of the
>>island (June 24th)
>>-  Divino Espírito Santo [Divine Holy Spirity) (across all islands)
>>- Nossa Senhora das Angústias [Our Lady of Anguish]  - Semana do Mar
>>-  Nossa Senhora da Graça [Our Lady of Grace] - Praia do Almoxarife
>>-  Nossa Senhora de Lurdes [Our Lady of Lurdes] -  Feteira,
>>-  Santa Cecília, in te Matriz, [ Sain Cecilia] patron of the
>>muscialns (25th of Novembro)
>>- Santa Catarina de Alexandria [Sain Catherine of Alenxadria] -
>> Castelo Branco
>>- Nossa Senhora da Conceição [Our lady of Conception] (8th of
>>December) (across all islands)
>>
>> The list is to the credit of Ilha do Faial -  Memória Portuguesa
>> <http://terrasdeportugal.wikidot.com/>
>>
>> http://terrasdeportugal.wikidot.com/ilha-do-faial
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 7:17 PM, Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes. That is why I mentioned St. John the Baptist's feast day is June
>>> 24rh, same as St. John Caldeira.
>>> On Jul 12, 2017 4:15 PM, "Sami" <saudade1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks for the replies. I'm wondering which "St. John" that Sao Joao da
>>>> Caldeira is? I cannot find anything about this saint. Is he the same as St.
>>>> John the Baptist, or Saint John of God?
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, July 12, 2017 at 2:29:19 PM UTC-5, Sami wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I was just wondering if there were any "official" patron saints of the
>>>>> island of Faial, and of Capelo and Feteira specifically?  I would like to
>>>>> get a medal/s to wear in remembrance of my great-grandparents. Thanks in
>>>>> advance for any answers! :)
>>>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: 1872 Boston marriage of Maria Margarida (of Sao Jorge) to Manoel J. Souza (of St. Michaels)

[Mary Pimentel Wheeler]

Thanks for the tip Rosemarie, I tend to forget about that site - I have a 
"free" account there, but it doesn't allow me to view much.  I searched the 
church database that they do have, and didn't get any hits.  I'll try back 
from time to time, I'm hoping they just haven't got to 1872 yet.

On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 1:47:44 PM UTC-7, rcapodc wrote:
>
> Mary there may be more info at the church. Remember that the New England 
> GS is putting all of the Boston Catholic Archives records prior to 1900 
> online. So, you may find out more there. 
>
>
> Rosemarie 
> rcap...@gmail.com 
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>
> On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 1:40 PM, Mary Pimentel Wheeler <pimw...@gmail.com 
> > wrote:
>
>> Thanks everyone, I appreciate your help especially with the Elizabeth - 
>> Isabel thing!
>> Rich - I got the info on their marriage from Family Search, Boston 
>> Marriage Index.  It doesn't list the church, just who married them.  It 
>> looks like Rev. ??? Walker Jackson.  
>> https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-65DX-97?i=442=1469062
>> Jeremy - I don't think that is the same person.  My Manuel would have 
>> been about 63 years old in 1905 when this Manuel died.   Also, I'm not sure 
>> of this, but speculate that Manuel and Maria Margarida would have been 
>> living near Coarsegold, California by 1900 or so.  Their daughter was 
>> married in California in 1900, and gave birth to my grandmother in 1901.   
>>
>> thanks again!
>>
>> On Sunday, July 9, 2017 at 2:48:40 PM UTC-7, Mary Pimentel Wheeler wrote:
>>
>>> Looking for the following people - do any of you have them in your tree?
>>>
>>> *Maria Margarida* - Born Sao Jorge ca. 1847.   Married to: * Manoel J. 
>>> Souza* - born in St. Michaels ca. 1842 
>>>
>>> They married in Boston on 30 Nov 1872.  He was 20 years old, she was 25.
>>>
>>> Marriage certificate list  HIS parents as Manoel & Florinda, and HER 
>>> parents as Joseph & *Elizabeth*.
>>>
>>> Since I don't have frequesias for either Maria Margarida or Manoel J. 
>>> Souza, I thought I'd start here to see if anyone has them, before I start 
>>> searching village by village.
>>>
>>>
>>> Also - quick question.  I've not seen "*Elizabeth*" as a given name in 
>>> the Azores - does anyone know if that is an anglicized version of a 
>>> Portuguese name?  That might help me find her mother if I need to start 
>>> searching CCA.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Mary
>>>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: 1872 Boston marriage of Maria Margarida (of Sao Jorge) to Manoel J. Souza (of St. Michaels)

[Mary Pimentel Wheeler]

Thanks everyone, I appreciate your help especially with the Elizabeth - 
Isabel thing!
Rich - I got the info on their marriage from Family Search, Boston Marriage 
Index.  It doesn't list the church, just who married them.  It looks like 
Rev. ??? Walker Jackson. 
 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-65DX-97?i=442=1469062
Jeremy - I don't think that is the same person.  My Manuel would have been 
about 63 years old in 1905 when this Manuel died.   Also, I'm not sure of 
this, but speculate that Manuel and Maria Margarida would have been living 
near Coarsegold, California by 1900 or so.  Their daughter was married in 
California in 1900, and gave birth to my grandmother in 1901.   

thanks again!

On Sunday, July 9, 2017 at 2:48:40 PM UTC-7, Mary Pimentel Wheeler wrote:

> Looking for the following people - do any of you have them in your tree?
>
> *Maria Margarida* - Born Sao Jorge ca. 1847.   Married to: * Manoel J. 
> Souza* - born in St. Michaels ca. 1842 
>
> They married in Boston on 30 Nov 1872.  He was 20 years old, she was 25.
>
> Marriage certificate list  HIS parents as Manoel & Florinda, and HER 
> parents as Joseph & *Elizabeth*.
>
> Since I don't have frequesias for either Maria Margarida or Manoel J. 
> Souza, I thought I'd start here to see if anyone has them, before I start 
> searching village by village.
>
>
> Also - quick question.  I've not seen "*Elizabeth*" as a given name in 
> the Azores - does anyone know if that is an anglicized version of a 
> Portuguese name?  That might help me find her mother if I need to start 
> searching CCA.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mary
>

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[AZORES-Genealogy] 1872 Boston marriage of Maria Margarida (of Sao Jorge) to Manoel J. Souza (of St. Michaels)

[Mary Pimentel Wheeler]

Looking for the following people - do any of you have them in your tree?

*Maria Margarida* - Born Sao Jorge ca. 1847.   Married to: * Manoel J. 
Souza* - born in St. Michaels ca. 1842 

They married in Boston on 30 Nov 1872.  He was 20 years old, she was 25.

Marriage certificate list  HIS parents as Manoel & Florinda, and HER 
parents as Joseph & *Elizabeth*.

Since I don't have frequesias for either Maria Margarida or Manoel J. 
Souza, I thought I'd start here to see if anyone has them, before I start 
searching village by village.


Also - quick question.  I've not seen "*Elizabeth*" as a given name in the 
Azores - does anyone know if that is an anglicized version of a Portuguese 
name?  That might help me find her mother if I need to start searching CCA.

Thanks,

Mary

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Cordeiro

[Mary]

 I am looking for any information about The parents of Escolastica 
Cordeiro born Araujo or possibly d Jesus and her Husband Seraphim Cordeiro. 
  They were from St Michael Azores. They had a son Jose age 4 and a 
daughter Maria age 1 when they emigrated to the United States in about1902. 
I believe that they returned to St Michael (I don't  know when) and 
returned to the United States around 1907.  I think her parents were Jose 
and Maria Araujo. It is possible that Seraphim had a brother Constantino 
and his fathers name is Francisco.  Any help will be greatly appreciated.

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Recent Obituary--Cardoza (probably originally Cardoso)

[Mary Bordi]

I'm just posting this because in the past there have been questions about
the Cardoza/Cardoso name. I did not know this man personally and I am not
sure that he of the same Cardoza/Cardoso family that lived in Half Moon Bay
in the late 1800s and early 1900s that someone had been asking about... The
obit says his parents were from Sao Jorge and Terceira and that he was born
in Escalon, Calif.

Serafine J. Cardoza

http://www.hmbreview.com/obituaries/serafine-j-cardoza/article_739e0b4c-61ab-11e7-9bc5-eb8b1a354f59.html

Mary Bordi

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Really great maps of the Azores!

[Mary Pimentel Wheeler]

I just bought a map book of the Azores from the Map Company, and am pretty 
fascinated by it.   It is very detailed and much better than any map I've 
found on the internet.  I think it is going to be helpful when looking for 
some of those remote village names where ancestors were born - I already 
found one and I'm sure there will be many more.  Just thought I would pass 
it along as to where I got it, if you are interested.


https://mapscompany.com/geo/map-azores-freytag/


Some of you may already know about this, but I just wanted to share in case 
you didn't know about it.


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help

[Mary Bordi]

I used Reunion on my desktop Mac for a long time before I got my iPad. The
Reunion app on my iPad syncs perfectly with the computer and now I do all
my perusing of the archives and adding to my tree on the iPad. For more
involved things like printing out reports or merging duplicates I use the
computer.

There is one function that no longer works on my iPad for some reason. In
the "tree view" there is an option to show your relationships and although
it's checked it no longer works for me.

Mary

On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 10:01 AM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Maria Elena;  You can do that with a computer only if you have a touch
> screen on your computer.  Don’t know if any desktops have a touch screen
> but; various laptops do.  Also, if you hold down the “ctrl” key and tap the
> “+” key the screen enlarges.
>
>
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Sam (Camas, WA)
>
>
>
> *From: *Maria Lima <maria.lima...@gmail.com>
> *Sent: *Monday, June 26, 2017 9:52 AM
>
>
> *To: *azores@googlegroups.com
> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help
>
>
>
> Liz,
>
>
>
> One thing you might love about searching on the iPad is how easy it is to
> move through the records and magnify them by making the screen larger.  On
> the computer it takes longer to get through the research - for me.
>
>
>
> Maybe swe meone out there will tell me there's a way to enlarge the
> records on the computer with your hand like on the iPad.
>
>
>
>  I've checked and found Reunion would  work best for me
>
> Since we have one computer (MacBook Pro) which my husband uses most for of
> the time.But one can download the Reunion  program through Dropbox to
> the IPad.
>
>
>
> You'll figure it out and I think you'll joy the IPad.  I love it.
>
>
>
> Best,
>
> Maria Elena
>
>
>
>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Manuel Pimentel, of Faja Grande, Flores - need help deciphering a phrase

[Mary Pimentel Wheeler]

Thanksn John and Cherivery interesting stuff.  I'm still trying to break 
through my end of the line ancestor.   I know for sure (documented) my 2nd 
GGFather (Jose Sebastiao Pimentel Quiero), died in his hometown of Lomba in 
Lomba at the age of 78, making his birth circa 1814 and prior to Lomba records. 
 His father was listed as Sebastiao Jose Queiro Pimentel, and many of their 
descendants have Sebastiao or Francisco as parts of their names.  So, I'm now 
poking around in neighboring ferguesias, hoping to find clues, and found this 
record...thinking he may be a sibling or somehow related to my line.  I haven't 
 actually tied him in yet, but Flores is such a small island there's a pretty 
good chance there is a connection somewhere.  I'll keep digging...  Meanwhile, 
my ability to read these records is getting better but every so often I get 
something I can't translate, so I appreciate your help!

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Testing Companies: An analogy

[Mary Bordi]

That was great Cheri!

Mary

On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 9:52 AM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Great job Cheri.  Should be clear to all now.  
>
>
>
> Sam (Camas, WA)
>
>
>
> *From: *Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com>
> *Sent: *Friday, June 23, 2017 9:15 AM
> *To: *Azores Genealogy <Azores@googlegroups.com>;
> madeira-geneal...@googlegroups.com; islandrou...@googlegroups.com
>
>
> *Subject: *[AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Testing Companies: An analogy
>
>
>
> (Cross posted to Azores, Madeira, and IslandRoutes lists)
>
> Here are some department stores in America. Some may be in Canada too:
> [image: Inline image 1][image: Inline image 2][image: Inline image 3]
>
> Let's say you find a pair of Levi's (jeans) on sale at Sears. You have a
> question, but you see no available clerk at Sears. So you set the jeans
> down and go to Macy's to ask the clerk there about the sale on the Levi's
> jeans at Sears.
>
> The above scenario is ridiculous and you know that a clerk in one store
> cannot answer a question about a sale at another store, even if they all
> sell Levi's jeans.
>
> Now, let's say you have walked into a thrift store. They sell donated
> clothes that others have purchased from many department stores such as
> Sears, J.C. Penney's and Macy's. You spot your favorite shirt that you
> ruined 5 years ago. It's just like the one you bought at J.C. Penney's. But
> you have a question. Since you recognize the brand as one that is sold
> exclusively at Penney's, you drive over to Penney's to ask the clerk a
> question about your favorite shirt that you bought 5 years ago and ruined.
>
> And you all know that's completely ridiculous too.
>
> The example above is fairly easy to understand since they involve actual
> brick-and-mortar stores that have familiarity to at least the American list
> readers.
>
> Now let's switch gears. We have DNA testing companies (who have an
> Internet presence). The main 3 players currently are:
> [image: Inline image 4][image: Inline image 5][image: Inline image 6]
>
> These three companies, Family Tree DNA (FTDNA), AncestryDNA, and 23 and
> Me, all sell DNA tests, just like Sears, Penney's, and Macy's sell Levi's
> jeans.
>
> Out of the 3 DNA testing companies, one has many "store clerks" and the
> other 2 stores you can't find a clerk in sight. FTDNA has many "store
> clerks" called administrators (or admins, for short). They are there to
> answer questions about the DNA tests you purchased at FTDNA. If you
> purchased a DNA test at AncestryDNA, don't ask your FTDNA admin a question
> about it. Or about 23 and Me. That's like seeing the Levi's in Sears but
> going over to Macy's to ask the clerk a question.
>
> Also, you can take your DNA to the thrift shop. This is a web site called
> GedMatch. You can download your raw data from any of the big 3 testing
> companies and put it on GedMatch. Just like you can purchase clothes from
> Sears, Penney's or Macy's and donate them to a thrift store. But you are
> not going to find something at the thrift store and drive back to Macy's to
> ask a question. So if you upload at GedMatch, don't expect your FTDNA admin
> to help you with GedMatch questions and problems.
>
> The Azores, Madeira (and other Portuguese based projects) were founded 12
> years ago on Family Tree DNA. I'm a Family Tree DNA admin. I'm a volunteer.
> I spend anywhere from 10 to maybe 20 hours a week helping people. You don't
> publicly see this, as I am helping one individual at a time with their own
> personal results. That individual tested with FTDNA. So if you want to test
> with another testing company, that's fine. Don't expect the FTDNA admin to
> help you with your results. That's like seeing the Levi's on sale at Sears
> and asking the Macy's clerk for help. It's the same for GedMatch as well.
>
> Luckily, FTDNA can accept DNA results from AncestryDNA and 23 and Me. So
> if you want help from an FTDNA admin, transfer your results over to FTDNA.
>
>
>
> Now we all know that many store clerks are part time workers and some work
> at more than one store. Some FTDNA admins have tested at other companies
> and are willing to help with those results. Most do not. For those that do,
> many do charge a consultant fee, as it is beyond the scope of what they do
> as a volunteer admin with FTDNA. They are acting as a consultant across
> companies and not solely as a volunteer admin with FTDNA.
>
>
>
> Hope this analogy clears up some confusion.
>
>
> Cheri Mello, Family Tree DNA Admin (volunteer)
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Manuel Pimentel, of Faja Grande, Flores - need help deciphering a phrase

[Mary Pimentel Wheeler]

http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-LF-FAJAGRANDE-B-1861-1889/FLR-LF-FAJAGRANDE-B-1861-1889_item1/P132.html

#44, bottom of right hand page, 5th and 6th line down.

Can anyone make out what it says after "he was born"?  Looks like "no 
logar da Quada", of this freguesia.  

I think I have the rest translated correctly, but if you see any errors 
please let me know?  Thanks everyone!

*On 9 DEC 1870, in the Church of San Jose, Faja Grande, Flores,*

*I baptized a male and gave him the name Manoel.  *

*Born ? of this freguesia on 7 Dec 1870.*

*Legitimate son of Francisco Sebastiao Pimentel, Laborer, of Fajazinha, and*

*Maria Frietas, housewife, of this freguesia.*

*Paternal Grandparents are Sebastiao Pimentel and Anna Trindade*

*Maternal Grandparents are Jose (?) and Catherina de Freitas.*

*Godparents are Manoel (?) Sebastiao Pimentel, married, and Maria da 
Rozario, housewife.*

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Sebastiao/n de Mendoca, d. 1719. Sao Mateus, Pico

[Mary Pimentel Wheeler]

Sorry, I forgot the link, and also spelled the surname incorrectly in the 
title...it is Mendonca.
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-O-1671-1733/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-O-1671-1733_item1/P58.html

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Sebastiao/n de Mendoca, d. 1719. Sao Mateus, Pico

[Mary Pimentel Wheeler]

I find his name and date of death in the first few lines, but can't make 
out the rest.  Does anyone see parent's or children's names in this Obito?

Seb(am) de Mendonca.
Died 09 October(?) 1719
At the age of 65 more or less.



thank you.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Azores DNA Project News email

[Mary Bordi]

I just got the email. I'm assuming it's the "new" one. :)

Mary


On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 5:06 PM Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks. I have resubmitted it. Now I'm waiting for that one to work.
> On May 10, 2017 4:52 PM, "Diane George" <digeorg...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I did not receive it.
>>
>>
>>
>> Diane George
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On
>> Behalf Of *Cheri Mello
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 10, 2017 10:30 AM
>> *To:* Azores Genealogy <Azores@googlegroups.com>
>> *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Azores DNA Project News email
>>
>>
>>
>> Did any existing FTDNA customers get the email that I sent through the
>> FTDNA system regarding the DNA Project? It basically reminded people to
>> upload their Gedcom, the project was growing, the conference in Salt Lake.
>> And maybe a couple of other things.
>>
>> FTDNA said it went out. The few people I've asked said they didn't get
>> it. So I need more than a few to tell me that they didn't get it.  Thanks!
>> Cheri
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
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>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Happy Easter - Feliz Pascoa thread

[Mary Bordi]

Happy Easter all!

I managed to bake some Easter bread this year. Wish I could share it will
everyone!

Mary

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> Happy Easter and Feliz Pascoa to all!
>
> If you would like to send your Easter greetings, hit reply and respond to
> this thread ONLY. Do NOT start your own Easter thread.
>
> You may send your Easter greetings on Saturday and Sunday. If it's Monday
> in your time zone, you are too late. The Easter greeting thread will be
> done by then.
> Thanks, Cheri
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Some Thoughts on Ethnicity Estimates

[Mary]

The genetic makeup of the Iberian Peninsula and the Azores  populations has 
been mostly constant the last 200 years, but if we go back 2000 years it 
was subject to many influences. Iberia was invaded by the Romans but a 
native population existed previously. That Native group was the actual 
Iberians. The Azores was also populated by other groups such as the 
Flemish. The Azores were also a convenient stopping place for ships. There 
was lots of opportunity for mixing populations. I am not surprised by the 
varied results from the test. Consider the history of the region when 
looking at your results. My results showed 67% Iberian, 10% South East 
European, 5% North African, and 3% Sephardic.

Mary
  

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading this baptismo - Jose filho de ??

[Mary Pimentel Wheeler]

Why oh why oh why didn't the priests on Flores take penmanship lessons?!!  
This one is pretty hard to read - I'm trying to make out the father's 
surname.  Its the third one down on the left page.
http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-LF-LAJESDASFLORES-B-1810-1816/FLR-LF-LAJESDASFLORES-B-1810-1816_item1/P18.html

Joze, son of Fran(?) Pel (?)...and his wife ?

Baptized (maybe trez, 3rd day of March?)

Year 18?? (maybe onze, 11?)

Paternos  and Maternos?

Thanks in advance to those of you with better eyes!


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Jose Azevedos middle name

[Mary Bordi]

My guess is Bettencourt also. Look at his father's name on the line below.

Jose de Bettencourt de Azevedo, legitimate son of Jose de Azevedo de
Bettencourt.

I see the father and mother in my database since they are from Norte
Grande. I think one of their other children married into my family.

Mary

On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 9:27 PM Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I think it might be Bettencourt, but I've never seen it abbreviated that
> way.
>
> Cheri Mello
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> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 9:23 PM, Louie Avila <louielouieo...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> For the life of me ... I've never seen an abbreviation like this one ...
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-C-1822-1849/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-C-1822-1849_item1/P33.html
>
> Top right side.
>
> Jose de ??? d' Azevedo.
>
> Rosemarie, Cheri, somebody? Help please.
>
> Louie
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] New Ethnicity Estimates for Family Tree DNA

[Mary Bordi]

Well, I show 0% Iberian but I am only one quarter Azprean.

My mom, who is half Azorean, shows up as 11% Iberian. And 12% Sephardic.
She is also British Isles and East Europe and West and Central Europe
(Irish And Prussian Grandparents on the non Portuguese side so not
surprising).

Mary


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> (Cross posted to Azores, Madeira, IslandRoutes)
>
> For those who have tested with Family Tree DNA (FTDNA), it appears that
> they have released their new ethnicity ESTIMATES. This is version 3 of this
> interesting tool.
>
> Since it's brand new, I'll just start with looking at my family. The
> Portuguese was clustered into Southern Europe, a big purple swath from
> Portugal to Spain to Italy then Greece. Good news! They've split the
> western part (Spain and Portugal) into Iberian and the eastern part (Italy
> and Greece) into Southeast Europe. My dad, 50% Portuguese is now 12%
> Iberian and 13% Southeast Europe! His British Isles (the other 50%) is
> gone! I guess the key word is they are still ESTIMATES.
>
> It'll be interesting to see what others get! Cheri Mello, Family Tree DNA
> Admin (volunteer)
> Cheri Mello
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Sao Jorge Marriage Database

[Mary Bordi]

I will cease and desist. (I had not started yet anyway.) Cheri is right.

Most of all I would not want to jeopardize access to the records for
personal use. It's so wonderfull to have them.

Mary

On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 5:44 PM Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote:

> You guys need to STOP. It's not that I'm trying to rain your parade, but
> there's problems.
>
> First, whenever the CCA was approached about helping to index, we were
> always turned down. ALWAYS. They don't say why. Just a no thank you. I've
> thought about it. And I made up the following reasons why we are rebuffed:
> 1) They aren't in control of the project. 2) They have a bunch of
> non-native speakers doing this. 3) There's really no cross-checking.
>
> I could solve #2 & #3 for them. Do it like FamilySearch does. Two people
> independently index the same set of records. Someone compares the records
> to make sure they are extracted the same. If they are not the same, it goes
> to a 3rd person (who should be a native speaker in my opinion).
>
> 2nd Problem. There's NO standard. You MUST set a standard and the CCA has
> to agree to it. You don't even have freguesia spelled right! The dates most
> likely need to be in European format and most likely need to be with
> Portuguese abbreviations for the months. The names must be in modern
> Portuguese (Ana, not Anna). And there needs to be a rule for d', de, da,
> do. You are doing this from a completely egocentric, American point of
> view. This is exactly why they don't want our help.
>
> 3rd Problem: You DO NOT have permission from the CCA to do this. "It's on
> the Internet and it's free" may not apply in a European court. Would they
> go after you? I don't know. Could they take down the whole site so no one
> has access to it? Sure they could. Do you want that on your shoulders?
>
> So, do not do this. Like I said, I'm not raining on your parade. Things
> are done differently over there.
>
> If you can figure out a way to make a proposal to them, they can read it.
> Maybe they will respond back.
>
> Please do not jeopardize the records for all of us. Do NOT do with without
> the OK from the CCA.
>
> Cheri
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 5:16 PM, Louie Avila <louielouieo...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Jeremy,
>
> Any guidelines?
>
> Leave out the de, da, do, etc?
> Use the most current spelling of the name (i.e. Joaquim vs Joachim)?
> Place spaces between the date (12 Sep 1899 vs. 12Sep1899).
>
> You rock!
>
> Louie
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] FTDNA- mtDNA changes

[Mary Bordi]

Oh, good to know that it needs to be the FMS. I believe that's what I
upgraded to (back in 2009--where has the time gone?).

At one point my haplogroup was H but it was refined quite a while ago to
H-G16129A!

I only have one match and that's at the lowest level. Fortunately he is
Portuguese!

Mary

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] FTDNA- mtDNA changes

[Mary Bordi]

I also checked after receiving that email. No change for me either. I'm an
H with a bunch of numbers after it.

Mary


On Sat, Mar 25, 2017 at 5:36 AM Joseph Mendonca <jemendonca...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I just received an email from FTDNA announcing some changes with its mtDNA
> testing.  As of yet I haven't noticed any changes to my haplogroup (H).
> Has anyone here noticed any changes?
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sao Jorge Demographic Study DOWNLOAD BY 3/20/2017

[Mary Bordi]

Thank you Jeremy! I've just skimmed the first few pages.

The only ancestors I have on paper from Ribeira Seca were from the early
1700s but I must share DNA with some who still live there. At any rate, I
am fascinated with the history and social aspects of the island and I
suppose many of those were similar in Ribeira Seca and the freguesia my
ancestors moved to (Norte Grande).

And thanks to the gentleman who researched, wrote it and shared.

Mary

On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 3:35 PM 'Jeremy G. B-C' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Per your requests, I am making available the pertinent parts
> (demographics) of a study that I have.
>
> I hope that you will find it interesting - I think some of the statistical
> information included is absolutely fascinating.  If anyone has Ribeira Seca
> ancestry in particular it is a great aid.
> I ask only that you not make this file available outside this group.
>
> Please *download *the .pdf file by clicking:
>
> <http://goog_1639737769>
>
> https://sites.google.com/site/azoreangravestones/Sao%20Jorge%20Demographics.pdf?attredirects=0=1
>
> *This link will be deactivated at 12:00:00 Midnight Pacific Time 3/20/2016*
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>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: SPRSI Records

[Mary]

I would be interested in seeing early records of other organizations such 
as UPPEC,  SPRSI and  IDES. These organizations seem to have been more 
popular with my family. I found an great uncle because I spotted my 
grandfathe'rs name as his beneficiary in one of the UPPEC books. I 
havestill  a couple of unmarried people that I am unsure of  their relation 
to me. I do know they were active in  Portuguese organizations. Possible 
beneficiary information might clear this up.
Thank You,
Mary Valadares Kaplan

On Sunday, March 19, 2017 at 8:15:43 AM UTC-7, Lisach wrote:
>
> Does anyone know if and where any existing records for SPRSI might be 
> found? 
>
> My great grandmother Maria Azevedo Chipman was the state President at one 
> time.
>
> Thank you!
>
> Lisa Caetano Harley
> researching Pico & Sao Jorge
>
>
>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Rose E. Silvia born St. Mathews, Island of Pico born approx 1863

[Mary Jane Goss]

Gayle - you would be related to my husband, his brother and my 91 year old 
mother in law!  She was very excited to know about her grandmother's origins.  
She has 3 other sisters still alive, out of 16 siblings.   I can send you an 
obit from the library at Falmouth Massachusetts about Rose Emily Silvia.  She 
was married to a man named John Joseph Silvia who apparently was also from Pico.




From: 'Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy <azores@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 9:56:42 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Rose E. Silvia born St. Mathews, Island of Pico 
born approx 1863

P.S. If that tree pans out- we're related several times over. 

Gayle



On Mar 12, 2017, at 2:09 PM, Mary Jane Goss 
<mg...@windermere.com<mailto:mg...@windermere.com>> wrote:


I am so sorry Cheri -

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-B-1856-1867/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-B-1856-1867_item1/P177.html


From: azores@googlegroups.com<mailto:azores@googlegroups.com> 
<azores@googlegroups.com<mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>> on behalf of Cheri 
Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com<mailto:gfsche...@gmail.com>>
Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 1:57:30 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Rose E. Silvia born St. Mathews, Island of Pico 
born approx 1863

I don't see the URL to the baptism in question.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Sun, Mar 12, 2017 at 1:54 PM, Mary Jane Goss 
<mg...@windermere.com<mailto:mg...@windermere.com>> wrote:

I appreciate everyone's kind help:)a I am trying hard to read Portuguese and I 
apologize for my inadequate grasp of it.  I found an entry which I think fits 
the Rosa I am looking for, although the father's name is spelled Silveira (as 
Gayle cautioned me it is spelled different from Silvia). Mother's name appears 
to be Anna Maria.

It then goes on to mention Maria Ignacio, Solteira, mother of Francisco O. 
Bettencourt and Michaella Rosa? xxfather? Francisco Jose de Bettencourt Vierra? 
farmer and xxmother Leonor ? who is dead?


From: 'Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy 
<azores@googlegroups.com<mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>>
Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2017 8:11:52 PM

To: azores@googlegroups.com<mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Rose E. Silvia born St. Mathews, Island of Pico 
born approx 1863

You're welcome. When you finally nail down enough information to actually allow 
you to research Sao Mateus, feel free to ask for help. There are only a few of 
us here that research on Pico. There seem to be lots people working on Sao 
Miguel and Sao Jorge. A few on tiny Flores. But, everyone in the Azores group 
is friendly and helpful regardless of where they research. My work has been 
Candelaria, Sao Mateus, Lages, and a smidgen in Madalena. So, if your path 
leads in my direction. I'll do my best to answer your question. I do have 
Bettencourts from Sao Mateus. You mentioned that surname as one possibility for 
Rosa.

I might also suggest before you go much further into the records, that you read 
the article on Naming Traditions. You may already know that surnames did not 
necessarily pass from father to all his offspring. It's what we do here in the 
States, but was not the norm in other parts of the world. Good reading. Kathy 
or Cheri can probably send you a link to the article if you ask.

I was only going to have a one sentence response. Sorry I went over board.

Happy researching,
Gayle

On Mar 11, 2017, at 3:50 PM, Mary Jane Goss 
<mg...@windermere.com<mailto:mg...@windermere.com>> wrote:

That You Gayle, That helps!



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


 Original message 
From: 'Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy 
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Date: 3/10/17 10:04 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: azores@googlegroups.com<mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Rose E. Silvia born St. Mathews, Island of Pico 
born approx 1863

Mary Jane,

It's highly doubtful that you'd find Silvia as a surname. More likely it would 
be Silva or Silveira. Both appear in the Sao Mateus records.

Gayle



On Mar 10, 2017, at 3:16 PM, Mary Jane Goss 
<mg...@windermere.com<mailto:mg...@windermere.com>> wrote:


Information from a death certificate in Falmouth Mass shows Rose E. Silvia died 
June 6, 1933 age 68 years 7 months 18 days.  It also says her parents names 
were Manuel Silvia, from St. Mathews, Pico, and mother Anna Marcia  from St. 
Mathews, Pico.  She was the wife of Joseph Silvia who predeceased her in 1926.


Where might St. Mathews be? Is there a city on the island of Pico named St. 
Mathews?  Also I 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Rose E. Silvia born St. Mathews, Island of Pico born approx 1863

[Mary Jane Goss]

Thank you Rosemarie!  I have the CD from the seminar last August in my drive, 
and I just printed it out.  Thank you so much for your kindness!


From: azores@googlegroups.com <azores@googlegroups.com> on behalf of Rosemarie 
Capodicci <rcap...@gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 2:57:00 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Rose E. Silvia born St. Mathews, Island of Pico 
born approx 1863

Mary Jane, if you send us the link to the document (the URL at the top, in the 
address line) we should be able to help you. If you haven't already, you need 
to download the Genealogical Word List and the Basic Portuguese Paleography 
from Kathy Cardoza's site; AzoresGenWeb,just Google it. She many helpful 
articles and maps etc. on there.

Rosemarie
rcap...@gmail.com<mailto:rcap...@gmail.com>
Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

On Sun, Mar 12, 2017 at 1:54 PM, Mary Jane Goss 
<mg...@windermere.com<mailto:mg...@windermere.com>> wrote:

I appreciate everyone's kind help:)a I am trying hard to read Portuguese and I 
apologize for my inadequate grasp of it.  I found an entry which I think fits 
the Rosa I am looking for, although the father's name is spelled Silveira (as 
Gayle cautioned me it is spelled different from Silvia). Mother's name appears 
to be Anna Maria.

It then goes on to mention Maria Ignacio, Solteira, mother of Francisco O. 
Bettencourt and Michaella Rosa? xxfather? Francisco Jose de Bettencourt Vierra? 
farmer and xxmother Leonor ? who is dead?


From: 'Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy 
<azores@googlegroups.com<mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>>
Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2017 8:11:52 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com<mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Rose E. Silvia born St. Mathews, Island of Pico 
born approx 1863

You're welcome. When you finally nail down enough information to actually allow 
you to research Sao Mateus, feel free to ask for help. There are only a few of 
us here that research on Pico. There seem to be lots people working on Sao 
Miguel and Sao Jorge. A few on tiny Flores. But, everyone in the Azores group 
is friendly and helpful regardless of where they research. My work has been 
Candelaria, Sao Mateus, Lages, and a smidgen in Madalena. So, if your path 
leads in my direction. I'll do my best to answer your question. I do have 
Bettencourts from Sao Mateus. You mentioned that surname as one possibility for 
Rosa.

I might also suggest before you go much further into the records, that you read 
the article on Naming Traditions. You may already know that surnames did not 
necessarily pass from father to all his offspring. It's what we do here in the 
States, but was not the norm in other parts of the world. Good reading. Kathy 
or Cheri can probably send you a link to the article if you ask.

I was only going to have a one sentence response. Sorry I went over board.

Happy researching,
Gayle

On Mar 11, 2017, at 3:50 PM, Mary Jane Goss 
<mg...@windermere.com<mailto:mg...@windermere.com>> wrote:

That You Gayle, That helps!



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


 Original message 
From: 'Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy 
<azores@googlegroups.com<mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>>
Date: 3/10/17 10:04 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: azores@googlegroups.com<mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Rose E. Silvia born St. Mathews, Island of Pico 
born approx 1863

Mary Jane,

It's highly doubtful that you'd find Silvia as a surname. More likely it would 
be Silva or Silveira. Both appear in the Sao Mateus records.

Gayle



On Mar 10, 2017, at 3:16 PM, Mary Jane Goss 
<mg...@windermere.com<mailto:mg...@windermere.com>> wrote:


Information from a death certificate in Falmouth Mass shows Rose E. Silvia died 
June 6, 1933 age 68 years 7 months 18 days.  It also says her parents names 
were Manuel Silvia, from St. Mathews, Pico, and mother Anna Marcia  from St. 
Mathews, Pico.  She was the wife of Joseph Silvia who predeceased her in 1926.


Where might St. Mathews be? Is there a city on the island of Pico named St. 
Mathews?  Also I am confused by the information because Silvia was her 
husband's name.  Family lore says her maiden name was Bettencourt or some 
variation there of.  The census information we have says  Jan 1863 was the 
Month and Date of her birth but it doesn't seem to be working with the info on 
the death certificate.


We know this is the right woman because the informant was her daughter.  Her 
husband's name was reported as Joseph, but it appears it may have been John 
Joseph Sylia.  The tombstones say Sylva.


Joseph Sylvia died May 28, 1926 at age 55.  The parents names say  "Cannot be 
learned" but do say he was born in Portugal.

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Rose E. Silvia born St. Mathews, Island of Pico born approx 1863

[Mary Jane Goss]

Holey Moley! Thankyou Bill!  The handwriting on this record is so beautiful I 
am embarrassed I cannot interpret it well yet. Perhaps I will find siblings if 
I keep searching, and solve a couple of riddles.


This is the link I missed


http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-B-1856-1867/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-B-1856-1867_item1/P177.html


Mary Jane


From: azores@googlegroups.com <azores@googlegroups.com> on behalf of 
bsei2...@gmail.com <bsei2...@gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 2:48:06 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Rose E. Silvia born St. Mathews, Island of Pico 
born approx 1863

Here's the link to what I am sure is the same record

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-B-1856-1867/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-B-1856-1867_item1/P177.html

#55,  Rosa, center left

Date of birth is 68 years, 7 months, and 18 days prior to 6 June 1933 so it is 
either her or a remarkable coincidence.

Date of Baptism: 23 Oct 1864
Date of Birth: 18 Oct 1864
Father: Manuel Francisco da Silveira, a farmer, native of this parish
Mother: Anna Maria, housewife, native of this parish
Parents were married in this same parish
Paternal grandmother: Maria Ignacia, single (no paternal grandfather listed, 
presumably incognito)
Maternal grandparents: Francisco Jose de Bettencourt and Michaella Rosa
Godparents: Franciso Jose de Bettencourt, farmer, widower, and godmother Leonor 
Margarida, single

Chalk one up for family lore since the maternal grandfather is Bettencourt.

Bill Seidler



On Sunday, March 12, 2017 at 1:58:03 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
I don't see the URL to the baptism in question.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Sun, Mar 12, 2017 at 1:54 PM, Mary Jane Goss 
<mg...@windermere.com> wrote:

I appreciate everyone's kind help:)a I am trying hard to read Portuguese and I 
apologize for my inadequate grasp of it.  I found an entry which I think fits 
the Rosa I am looking for, although the father's name is spelled Silveira (as 
Gayle cautioned me it is spelled different from Silvia). Mother's name appears 
to be Anna Maria.

It then goes on to mention Maria Ignacio, Solteira, mother of Francisco O. 
Bettencourt and Michaella Rosa? xxfather? Francisco Jose de Bettencourt Vierra? 
farmer and xxmother Leonor ? who is dead?


From: 'Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy 
<azo...@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2017 8:11:52 PM

To: azo...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Rose E. Silvia born St. Mathews, Island of Pico 
born approx 1863

You're welcome. When you finally nail down enough information to actually allow 
you to research Sao Mateus, feel free to ask for help. There are only a few of 
us here that research on Pico. There seem to be lots people working on Sao 
Miguel and Sao Jorge. A few on tiny Flores. But, everyone in the Azores group 
is friendly and helpful regardless of where they research. My work has been 
Candelaria, Sao Mateus, Lages, and a smidgen in Madalena. So, if your path 
leads in my direction. I'll do my best to answer your question. I do have 
Bettencourts from Sao Mateus. You mentioned that surname as one possibility for 
Rosa.

I might also suggest before you go much further into the records, that you read 
the article on Naming Traditions. You may already know that surnames did not 
necessarily pass from father to all his offspring. It's what we do here in the 
States, but was not the norm in other parts of the world. Good reading. Kathy 
or Cheri can probably send you a link to the article if you ask.

I was only going to have a one sentence response. Sorry I went over board.

Happy researching,
Gayle

On Mar 11, 2017, at 3:50 PM, Mary Jane Goss <mg...@windermere.com> 
wrote:

That You Gayle, That helps!



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


 Original message 
From: 'Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy 
<azo...@googlegroups.com>
Date: 3/10/17 10:04 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: azo...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Rose E. Silvia born St. Mathews, Island of Pico 
born approx 1863

Mary Jane,

It's highly doubtful that you'd find Silvia as a surname. More likely it would 
be Silva or Silveira. Both appear in the Sao Mateus records.

Gayle



On Mar 10, 2017, at 3:16 PM, Mary Jane Goss <mg...@windermere.com> 
wrote:


Information from a death certificate in Falmouth Mass shows Rose E. Silvia died 
June 6, 1933 age 68 years 7 months 18 days.  It also says her parents names 
were Manuel Silvia, from St. Mathews, Pico, and mother Anna Marcia  from St. 
Mathews, Pico.  She was the wife of Joseph Silvia who predeceased her in 1926.


Where might St. Mathews be? Is there a city on the island of Pico named St. 
Mathews?  Also I am confused by the inf

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Rose E. Silvia born St. Mathews, Island of Pico born approx 1863

[Mary Jane Goss]

I am so sorry Cheri -

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-B-1856-1867/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-B-1856-1867_item1/P177.html


From: azores@googlegroups.com <azores@googlegroups.com> on behalf of Cheri 
Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 1:57:30 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Rose E. Silvia born St. Mathews, Island of Pico 
born approx 1863

I don't see the URL to the baptism in question.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Sun, Mar 12, 2017 at 1:54 PM, Mary Jane Goss 
<mg...@windermere.com<mailto:mg...@windermere.com>> wrote:

I appreciate everyone's kind help:)a I am trying hard to read Portuguese and I 
apologize for my inadequate grasp of it.  I found an entry which I think fits 
the Rosa I am looking for, although the father's name is spelled Silveira (as 
Gayle cautioned me it is spelled different from Silvia). Mother's name appears 
to be Anna Maria.

It then goes on to mention Maria Ignacio, Solteira, mother of Francisco O. 
Bettencourt and Michaella Rosa? xxfather? Francisco Jose de Bettencourt Vierra? 
farmer and xxmother Leonor ? who is dead?


From: 'Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy 
<azores@googlegroups.com<mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>>
Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2017 8:11:52 PM

To: azores@googlegroups.com<mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Rose E. Silvia born St. Mathews, Island of Pico 
born approx 1863

You're welcome. When you finally nail down enough information to actually allow 
you to research Sao Mateus, feel free to ask for help. There are only a few of 
us here that research on Pico. There seem to be lots people working on Sao 
Miguel and Sao Jorge. A few on tiny Flores. But, everyone in the Azores group 
is friendly and helpful regardless of where they research. My work has been 
Candelaria, Sao Mateus, Lages, and a smidgen in Madalena. So, if your path 
leads in my direction. I'll do my best to answer your question. I do have 
Bettencourts from Sao Mateus. You mentioned that surname as one possibility for 
Rosa.

I might also suggest before you go much further into the records, that you read 
the article on Naming Traditions. You may already know that surnames did not 
necessarily pass from father to all his offspring. It's what we do here in the 
States, but was not the norm in other parts of the world. Good reading. Kathy 
or Cheri can probably send you a link to the article if you ask.

I was only going to have a one sentence response. Sorry I went over board.

Happy researching,
Gayle

On Mar 11, 2017, at 3:50 PM, Mary Jane Goss 
<mg...@windermere.com<mailto:mg...@windermere.com>> wrote:

That You Gayle, That helps!



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


 Original message 
From: 'Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy 
<azores@googlegroups.com<mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>>
Date: 3/10/17 10:04 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: azores@googlegroups.com<mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Rose E. Silvia born St. Mathews, Island of Pico 
born approx 1863

Mary Jane,

It's highly doubtful that you'd find Silvia as a surname. More likely it would 
be Silva or Silveira. Both appear in the Sao Mateus records.

Gayle



On Mar 10, 2017, at 3:16 PM, Mary Jane Goss 
<mg...@windermere.com<mailto:mg...@windermere.com>> wrote:


Information from a death certificate in Falmouth Mass shows Rose E. Silvia died 
June 6, 1933 age 68 years 7 months 18 days.  It also says her parents names 
were Manuel Silvia, from St. Mathews, Pico, and mother Anna Marcia  from St. 
Mathews, Pico.  She was the wife of Joseph Silvia who predeceased her in 1926.


Where might St. Mathews be? Is there a city on the island of Pico named St. 
Mathews?  Also I am confused by the information because Silvia was her 
husband's name.  Family lore says her maiden name was Bettencourt or some 
variation there of.  The census information we have says  Jan 1863 was the 
Month and Date of her birth but it doesn't seem to be working with the info on 
the death certificate.


We know this is the right woman because the informant was her daughter.  Her 
husband's name was reported as Joseph, but it appears it may have been John 
Joseph Sylia.  The tombstones say Sylva.


Joseph Sylvia died May 28, 1926 at age 55.  The parents names say  "Cannot be 
learned" but do say he was born in Portugal.


I do not know if I have enough information yet to start looking at records on 
Pico.  Any insight is appreciated.


Mary Jane

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Rose E. Silvia born St. Mathews, Island of Pico born approx 1863

[Mary Jane Goss]

I appreciate everyone's kind help:)a I am trying hard to read Portuguese and I 
apologize for my inadequate grasp of it.  I found an entry which I think fits 
the Rosa I am looking for, although the father's name is spelled Silveira (as 
Gayle cautioned me it is spelled different from Silvia). Mother's name appears 
to be Anna Maria.

It then goes on to mention Maria Ignacio, Solteira, mother of Francisco O. 
Bettencourt and Michaella Rosa? xxfather? Francisco Jose de Bettencourt Vierra? 
farmer and xxmother Leonor ? who is dead?


From: 'Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy <azores@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2017 8:11:52 PM
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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Rose E. Silvia born St. Mathews, Island of Pico 
born approx 1863

You're welcome. When you finally nail down enough information to actually allow 
you to research Sao Mateus, feel free to ask for help. There are only a few of 
us here that research on Pico. There seem to be lots people working on Sao 
Miguel and Sao Jorge. A few on tiny Flores. But, everyone in the Azores group 
is friendly and helpful regardless of where they research. My work has been 
Candelaria, Sao Mateus, Lages, and a smidgen in Madalena. So, if your path 
leads in my direction. I'll do my best to answer your question. I do have 
Bettencourts from Sao Mateus. You mentioned that surname as one possibility for 
Rosa.

I might also suggest before you go much further into the records, that you read 
the article on Naming Traditions. You may already know that surnames did not 
necessarily pass from father to all his offspring. It's what we do here in the 
States, but was not the norm in other parts of the world. Good reading. Kathy 
or Cheri can probably send you a link to the article if you ask.

I was only going to have a one sentence response. Sorry I went over board.

Happy researching,
Gayle

On Mar 11, 2017, at 3:50 PM, Mary Jane Goss 
<mg...@windermere.com<mailto:mg...@windermere.com>> wrote:

That You Gayle, That helps!



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 Original message 
From: 'Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy 
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Date: 3/10/17 10:04 PM (GMT-08:00)
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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Rose E. Silvia born St. Mathews, Island of Pico 
born approx 1863

Mary Jane,

It's highly doubtful that you'd find Silvia as a surname. More likely it would 
be Silva or Silveira. Both appear in the Sao Mateus records.

Gayle



On Mar 10, 2017, at 3:16 PM, Mary Jane Goss 
<mg...@windermere.com<mailto:mg...@windermere.com>> wrote:


Information from a death certificate in Falmouth Mass shows Rose E. Silvia died 
June 6, 1933 age 68 years 7 months 18 days.  It also says her parents names 
were Manuel Silvia, from St. Mathews, Pico, and mother Anna Marcia  from St. 
Mathews, Pico.  She was the wife of Joseph Silvia who predeceased her in 1926.


Where might St. Mathews be? Is there a city on the island of Pico named St. 
Mathews?  Also I am confused by the information because Silvia was her 
husband's name.  Family lore says her maiden name was Bettencourt or some 
variation there of.  The census information we have says  Jan 1863 was the 
Month and Date of her birth but it doesn't seem to be working with the info on 
the death certificate.


We know this is the right woman because the informant was her daughter.  Her 
husband's name was reported as Joseph, but it appears it may have been John 
Joseph Sylia.  The tombstones say Sylva.


Joseph Sylvia died May 28, 1926 at age 55.  The parents names say  "Cannot be 
learned" but do say he was born in Portugal.


I do not know if I have enough information yet to start looking at records on 
Pico.  Any insight is appreciated.


Mary Jane

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Rose E. Silvia born St. Mathews, Island of Pico born approx 1863

[Mary Jane Goss]

Thank you Cheri!



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Date: 3/10/17 7:42 PM (GMT-08:00)
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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Rose E. Silvia born St. Mathews, Island of Pico 
born approx 1863

Mary Jane,

The map of Pico is here. St. Mathew's is an English translation. I'm going to 
let you look at the map and see if you can figure it out:
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~azrwgw/maps-churches-and-villages/pico.html

Assuming "Rose" was born on Pico, look for a Rosa (or maybe Maria) born around 
her birthdate to parents named Manoel Silva (or Sylva) and Anna Maria (I'm 
guessing that's a typo you made). Only then will you be able to confirm or deny 
the family lore of Bettencourt.
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Rose E. Silvia born St. Mathews, Island of Pico born approx 1863

[Mary Jane Goss]

That You Gayle, That helps!



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 Original message 
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Date: 3/10/17 10:04 PM (GMT-08:00)
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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Rose E. Silvia born St. Mathews, Island of Pico 
born approx 1863

Mary Jane,

It's highly doubtful that you'd find Silvia as a surname. More likely it would 
be Silva or Silveira. Both appear in the Sao Mateus records.

Gayle



On Mar 10, 2017, at 3:16 PM, Mary Jane Goss 
<mg...@windermere.com<mailto:mg...@windermere.com>> wrote:


Information from a death certificate in Falmouth Mass shows Rose E. Silvia died 
June 6, 1933 age 68 years 7 months 18 days.  It also says her parents names 
were Manuel Silvia, from St. Mathews, Pico, and mother Anna Marcia  from St. 
Mathews, Pico.  She was the wife of Joseph Silvia who predeceased her in 1926.


Where might St. Mathews be? Is there a city on the island of Pico named St. 
Mathews?  Also I am confused by the information because Silvia was her 
husband's name.  Family lore says her maiden name was Bettencourt or some 
variation there of.  The census information we have says  Jan 1863 was the 
Month and Date of her birth but it doesn't seem to be working with the info on 
the death certificate.


We know this is the right woman because the informant was her daughter.  Her 
husband's name was reported as Joseph, but it appears it may have been John 
Joseph Sylia.  The tombstones say Sylva.


Joseph Sylvia died May 28, 1926 at age 55.  The parents names say  "Cannot be 
learned" but do say he was born in Portugal.


I do not know if I have enough information yet to start looking at records on 
Pico.  Any insight is appreciated.


Mary Jane

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Rose E. Silvia born St. Mathews, Island of Pico born approx 1863

[Mary Jane Goss]

Thank you Cheri. Is San Mateus a good fit?



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Date: 3/10/17 7:42 PM (GMT-08:00)
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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Rose E. Silvia born St. Mathews, Island of Pico 
born approx 1863

Mary Jane,

The map of Pico is here. St. Mathew's is an English translation. I'm going to 
let you look at the map and see if you can figure it out:
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~azrwgw/maps-churches-and-villages/pico.html

Assuming "Rose" was born on Pico, look for a Rosa (or maybe Maria) born around 
her birthdate to parents named Manoel Silva (or Sylva) and Anna Maria (I'm 
guessing that's a typo you made). Only then will you be able to confirm or deny 
the family lore of Bettencourt.
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Rose E. Silvia born St. Mathews, Island of Pico born approx 1863

[Mary Jane Goss]

Information from a death certificate in Falmouth Mass shows Rose E. Silvia died 
June 6, 1933 age 68 years 7 months 18 days.  It also says her parents names 
were Manuel Silvia, from St. Mathews, Pico, and mother Anna Marcia  from St. 
Mathews, Pico.  She was the wife of Joseph Silvia who predeceased her in 1926.


Where might St. Mathews be? Is there a city on the island of Pico named St. 
Mathews?  Also I am confused by the information because Silvia was her 
husband's name.  Family lore says her maiden name was Bettencourt or some 
variation there of.  The census information we have says  Jan 1863 was the 
Month and Date of her birth but it doesn't seem to be working with the info on 
the death certificate.


We know this is the right woman because the informant was her daughter.  Her 
husband's name was reported as Joseph, but it appears it may have been John 
Joseph Sylia.  The tombstones say Sylva.


Joseph Sylvia died May 28, 1926 at age 55.  The parents names say  "Cannot be 
learned" but do say he was born in Portugal.


I do not know if I have enough information yet to start looking at records on 
Pico.  Any insight is appreciated.


Mary Jane

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pascoal Machado Obit

[Mary Bordi]

My guess is that the two lines following Margarida Rosa do not apply to
her. I think it says that he was given last rites (or the sacraments) by
___ Moraes of Norte Grande and I can't make out the rest. Something
about his burial I think.

I hope someone else gets more out of it!

Mary

On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 8:52 PM Louie Avila <louielouieo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Help please:
>
> Bottom right:
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-NORTEPEQUENO-O-1853-1860/SJR-CH-NORTEPEQUENO-O-1853-1860_item1/P11.html
>
> I see it is the obit of Pascoal Machado and appears he is the widower of
> Margarida Rosa.
>
> Its the two lines after her name that I am confused ...
> Is the priest saying she died (or her obit) is in Norte Grande?
>
> Louie
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Monte de Baixo, in Candelária?

[Mary Bordi]

Well, there is a location in the postal code list by that name:

http://m.prt.postcodelist.com/region/Candel-ria_4v.html

(I'm having fun with the postal code list today!)

Mary

On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 7:35 AM Kathy Cardoza <kmacard...@me.com> wrote:

> My 2nd great grandfather, Joao de Andrade de Macedo, according to his
> obito, died in Monte de Baixo, in Candelária, (as did his wife). I have
> searched maps and cannot find this. Is it a road, a neighborhood, or what?
> Anyone know?
>
> Kathy
> ~~~
> Visit the Azores GenWeb Project:
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~azrwgw/index.html
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Azores Visit (Graciosa -- da Silva) -- UPDATE

[Mary Bordi]

This isn't a map but it's a list of streets and postal codes for Graciosa.
Not sure if all streets are there. It has been interesting for me to browse
my Sao Jorge communities so it might be interesting for you to look at
Graciosa.


http://m.prt.postcodelist.com/region/Santa-Cruz-da-Graciosa_3.html

Mary

On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 9:44 AM Ken Waters <satwatcher@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Susan,

Wow, I didn't know about that.  Thank you so much for catching that.  Does
anybody on the list know where I can get a good map of Graciosa that would
include street names?  Google Maps only labels no more than 5-10% of the
streets for the island.  There must be a better map somewhere---something
like the maps I saw with that grave-marking website that was recently
mentioned on this list but unfortunately only had 4 of the islands on it
and didn't include Graciosa.  I did try Google but pretty much any websites
I found just ended up embedding Google Maps in there anyway which takes me
back to the same problem.

Maybe somebody has access to such a map and could possibly identify how to
find it in Google Maps?

Thanks,

Ken

On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 8:48 AM, 'Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Hi Ken,

I think you have made some great decisions and are making wonderful
progress!  Sorry to scare you off of SATA but I have a feeling that the
flight that you take from Terceira to Graciosa might be with SATA? I really
am no expert at all, but I want to reassure you, if it is, that those inter
island flights on SATA were very good!  The long flights to and from the US
were the ones that with which we have had all the problems.

Really good idea to just try to have quality time on Graciosa!  I took a
look at some of your records and just wanted to make sure you saw that they
give the actual street on which your grandfather was born. Caminho das
Fontes!  Maybe you will get even more clues in these records but this is a
wonderful bit of information. You can certainly find that street and know
you are walking in the footsteps of your ancestors!!

Very excited for you!

Susan Vargas Murphy

On Mar 1, 2017, at 7:23 AM, Ken Waters <satwatcher@gmail.com> wrote:

All,

Thanks so much for the replies and suggestions.  I combined all my comments
and updates into one e-mail in order to avoid posting too many individual
posts on the list.

Given the comments I saw on SATA it sounds like using TAP as proposed may
be a good choice. I think I'd like to pass on getting the "I survived SATA"
t-shirt (and the experience).  :-)

As I mentioned I found $82 Lisbon-Terceira.  I found Lisbon-Graciosa
(changing in Terceira) for $144.  I like the idea of taking one of the
ferries but from what I saw online and comments found it seems the service
can be irregular.  Indeed, online it looked like service was only once a
week, particularly during the off-season and I couldn't even find a
schedule.  Given all that I feel it might be safer to look at the
Lisbon-Graciosa flights.  Perhaps a longer stay could involve the ferry (I
love the idea of taking a boat for the scenic aspect) but not this time.

I took seriously the comments about strategy regarding one versus multiple
islands.  I'm pretty locked into no more than 4 days maximum and so I think
I'd like to take the tack of doing one island well and that one should be
the one where I might have the biggest bang in terms of family searching.
That will allow enough time to thoroughly soak up the culture as well as
search for my possible da Silva relations in person and in records.

I did take a look at AirBNB and was pleased to find a couple of facilities
that look very promising and at very reasonable rates.  I think I will
attempt to use one of them for the stay.

Now, shifting to the da Silva line, I want to thank those who sent
promising notes about da Silva/Silva connections in Graciosa:  Leonard, Sue
Q, and Don.  I would like to follow up with each of you.  I plan on doing
some more pre-trip legwork (including CCA research) to give me a better
chance of success on the island.  Along those lines, I started building a
website (http://www.familytreeaz.com/Working/daSilva_Graciosa/) to help me
keep track of my da Silva family and the records found.  I've still got 4
more that I need to find (please disregard those placeholder links for
now) and add to the website but do have 4 on there now.  I included both my
digital image excerpts of each record as well as the link to the specific
page to facilitate better analysis (including others on the same page).  I
hope to have the missing 4 up there by this evening. Much thanks to Edna
Epps for finding these records that would have probably taken me 10x the
time to find.  Here is the family group that I'm referring to:

PARENTS

Manuel da Silva, born 9 Oct 1806, Santa Cruz
Louisa Candida, born 23 Jan 1799, Santa Cruz
MARRIAGE: 9 Sept 1827, Santa Cruz

CHILDREN

Maria da Silva, born 21 June 1828, S

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: More Villages Online Now - Azorean Gravestone Project

[Mary Bordi]

Wow, beautifully detailed map! I have been looking for one like that of Sao
Jorge. I saw one on display when I visited 10 years ago but was unable to
buy one at the time.

Mary


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> CEMETERY MAP FINDER:
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> https://sites.google.com/site/azoreangravestones/interactive-mappin
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Planning: Portuguese Genealogy Conference, Salt Lake City

[Mary]

I am seriously thinking about going. Looked at airline schedules and its 
doable. I would like a little more information about what to expect.
Mary 

On Friday, February 3, 2017 at 2:02:49 PM UTC-8, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> (Cross posted to Azores, Madeira, IslandRoutes lists)
>
> The last genealogy conference in Salt Lake City, Utah was September 5-9, 
> 2016 (last year - week of American Labor Day).
>
> We'd like to have them about every 18 months, but sometimes the planning 
> gods are not on our side.
>
> Salt Lake hosts many large conferences. They host the genealogy kind 
> (RootsTech, Salt Lake Institute of Genealogy), they host non-genealogy kind 
> (LDS/Mormon Conference, Comic Con), and they host business conferences 
> (stuff like the Western Association of Orthopedic Surgeons, for example). 
> When there's a big conference in town the hotel raises its rates as a 
> "conference" rate. And they make more money off of those than us. OK, they 
> are business that needs to maximize their profits.
>
> Originally, we wanted to aim for the spring of next year. I cannot really 
> begin negotiations with the hotel until a year out, but they know of the 
> big conferences. And those big ones are raining on our parade.
>
> So then we started looking at THIS YEAR again. The hotel has the week of 
> August 29-September 1st available. This is the week before American Labor 
> Day. (They don't have the week of Labor Day available - some big conference 
> chose Salt Lake as its host city).
>
> This makes the conference only 1 year away from the previous one. Will 
> there be enough interest to have it only 1 year later? It would be hosted 
> by just me and Rosemarie. We are unable to coordinate with Joao in 
> September. We'd have to try again with Joao in the spring of 2019 (he's in 
> America in the spring).
>
> Is the end of August and the beginning of September interfering with 
> vacation plans? Back to school plans? Too close to the other conference?
>
> Giving feedback is not agreeing to come. It's just giving me information 
> on planning.
> Thanks, Cheri
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Azores Visit

[Mary Bordi]

Ah yes, SATA. I like Susan's diplomacy!  There's the nickname "Sitting At
The Airport".

We were fortunate to be on a tour with a guide who knew that SATA owed us a
free meal of the delay was longer than a certain amount of time.

Of course, the weather conditions can be changeable and flights can be
delayed. But sometimes it's inexplicable!

Mary

On Sat, Feb 25, 2017 at 5:55 PM 'Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Hello Ken,
>
> Cheri mentioned SATA and I just want to say that I have had some issues
> with SATA as it is hard to explain but three of three
> times I have flown with them have had long delays, one overnight. I am not
> sure about TAP, but think that I want to try flying to the mainland and
> then taking TAP if I ever get to go again.
>
> I have been to five of the nine islands and you are right, the others have
> more tourists but for good reason. Sao Miguel is particularly beautiful.
> If you can at all afford more time, I would recommend including Sao Miguel.
> But with three days, you will have to arrive on Terciera…be lucky to get to
> Graciosa that day (seriously) and if you make it, then you will have one
> day in Graciosa (two nights) and will have to fly back to Terceira (I
> think) to fly back to the mainland. If that is all you can afford time
> wise, DO IT, rather than not go!  If you do, you will be back for sure.  I
> may sound biased (haha) but i have been to Portugal, Spain (not Morocco)
> and the beauty of the Azores and excitement that I felt visiting the land
> of my ancestors surpassed anything in Spain and Portugal. I have not been
> to Graciosa, but imagine that it, like Sao Jorge and Flores that I have
> visited, is more untouched by the modern world.
>
> Unless you know of specific family ties, it will be hard to find the “da
> Silva” family as Silva is sort of like Smith here…probably the most common
> surname.
>
> Best of luck to you…you are in for a treat!
>
> Susan Vargas Murphy
>
>
> On Feb 25, 2017, at 4:41 PM, Ken Waters <satwatcher@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Everybody,
>
> I just booked a 2-week open trip to Spain and am hoping to include a swing
> through the Azores out of Lisbon maybe for about 3 days. I have so many
> questions, looking for advice from those who may have visited. First of
> all, it would be wonderful to look up da Silva family on Graciosa. Is there
> anyone on this list from the island who could maybe help me out? It looks
> like some of the other islands are more of a magnet for tourists.  Any
> favorite islands of the group?
>
> Also is TAP out of Lisbon the best way to get there? A quick look found
> $82 RT fares Lisbon to Terceira.
>
> I have no doubt 3 days is not enough time to enjoy the islands but I do
> have to balance the time with other sites like Spain, mainland Portugal,
> and a trip to Morocco.
>
> If any of you know a good contact on Graciosa please let me know. Thanks!
>
> Feel free to direct message me (or to the list if it's germane to others)
> if you have any suggestions.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Ken
>
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