Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage certificate.

[Nancy Couto]

Dear Rob,

I found a listing for Jose Antonio (b. before 1795) married to Antonia Maria on 
the Cabral Genealogies website. On this site people are listed last name first, 
with no punctuation after the surname. So these people are Antonio Jose married 
to Maria Antonia. The “Antonia” could be a typo or a misreading, or the name 
could have been spelled with an “a” at the end. I haven’t checked this out, but 
the owner of this website has proven to be reliable and her information comes 
from church records. The time frame could work out, since Antonio Josephs (the 
son) was 40 at the time of his marriage in 1868. 

http://www.cabralgenealogy.org/getperson.php?personID=I570&tree=Cabral

Hope this helps.

Nancy 


> On Jan 27, 2020, at 4:00 AM, Rob Whaite  wrote:
> 
> Hi Cheri
> 
> I attach another Australian Marriage certificate also from Victoria.
> 
> The one I refer to is the marriage of Antonio Josephs and Eliza Smith in 1868.
> 
> I think his real surname was Joaquime as he was living in the same general 
> area as three of his cousins who all came out here together and that was the 
> name shown on the passenger list.
> 
> When you look at the entries for the names of his parents I find it strange 
> that his mother's surname was the same as his father's christian name?
> 
> It appears to me that he made it all up as he went along in his attempt to 
> anglicize his surname?
> 
> Any ideas would be appreciated
> 
> Rob
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese names.

[Nancy Couto]

Note that Marianno Borges was a witness for both weddings. That, along with the 
fact that Osiana (or Asiana) appears to be an uncommon name, suggests that the 
two grooms might be related. At any rate, it’s a good guess. 

I searched for information on the Osiana or Asiana surname and learned that the 
name is popular in the Philippines but is also known in Mexico and Uraguay and 
I’m sure other places as well. 

Rob, I’m a Couto and I have a very distant Ancestry DNA match with someone 
named Whaite—not you, though, and I think my match is from California. I’m 
interested in how your search plays out. Good luck!

Nancy



> On Jan 2, 2020, at 12:35 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> 
> Ascenção? Inacia/Ignacia? Luciana? (And they misunderstood the L?) Joana? 
> Lauriana? Mariana? Sebastiana? Some of those aren't likely, but have an "ana" 
> sound on the end. Maybe it will give someone an idea.
> 
> I'm going to disagree with Debbie here. There's nothing in the document to 
> indicate cousinship between the grooms. Maybe they are and maybe they aren't. 
> To avoid tunnel vision, I'd treat them as 2 distinct, unrelated men.
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 8:53 AM JesseAndDeborah Mendonca 
> mailto:jessdebmendo...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> Hi Rob,
> 
> I see that the first two marriages on the page are what you are referring to. 
>   The dates are a day apart, so I suspect after marrying in the church, they 
> went together to record the marriages officially.  Yes, I believe the grooms 
> were likely cousins.  Both mothers are reported to use Osiana... their first 
> names are Mary and Claudina.   One spelling looked like Asiana.I also 
> didn’t find a Portuguese surname that was similar.   
> 
> Does anyone have name ideas?   I suspect the grooms are doing the best they 
> can.  Both used a mark to sign.  
> 
> If you know the place the came from... Azores? ...look for birth records.  
> 
> Debbie
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 8:03 AM Rob Whaite  > wrote:
> Hi Cheri
> 
> I attach a couple of Australian marriage certificates.
> It is interesting that two of them are for Portuguese people in the State of 
> Victoria in 1866 .Thomas(Tomasz) and De Quite(Do Couto) and in the same 
> place(suspicious)?
> 
> Both their mothers have the same maiden name Osiama or similar so maybe the 
> two individuals getting married are cousins?
> 
> In any case have you, or anybody else for that matter ever heard of this 
> surname?
> 
> Be very interested to know.
> 
> Best Regards
> 
> Rob
> 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Tree DNA's Holiday Sale (through Dec. 26th)

[Nancy Couto]

Dear Bill Ricardo, 

Thanks for including your Y-DNA haplogroup. I checked my brother’s matches and 
it appears you match him at 67 markers with a distance of 6. According to 
FTDNA’s estimate, there is a good chance we could have a common ancestor within 
12 generations. My brother’s name is Edward Couto Jr., and I manage his 
account. 

You don’t appear to be a match for either my brother or me on Family Finder. 

I will email you privately.

Nancy Couto



> On Dec 25, 2019, at 9:48 AM, Bill Ricardo  wrote:
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> Merry Christmas!
> 
> I know this may be a bit outside of the parameters of your regular purview, 
> but I am hoping y'all can provide some valuable guidance.  
> 
> I have thus far submitted DNA tests to both ancestry.com 
> <http://ancestry.com/> and FamilyTreeDNA.com and I have obtained further YDNA 
> and MtDNA results (haplogroups G-M201 and K1a4a, respectively) from the 
> latter.  I have further shared data with MyHeritage.com and GEDMatch.  Up 
> until now I have used ancestry.com <http://ancestry.com/> as my primary tree 
> building platform but I discovered a few months ago that the 1,000 or so 
> photos I had uploaded there last year at this time had disappeared from the 
> various family member profiles and they, ancestry.com <http://ancestry.com/>, 
>  were initially unable to explain why.  Since that first revelation, they 
> have responded to me via email for additional data from me about my tree, 
> such as sending them screen shots and the like.  Frankly, I don't wish to 
> commit to that much time to reconstruct the info I had loaded to the site 
> over what easily took me dozens of hours to generate.  My thought now is that 
> I should cancel my subscription with ancestry.com <http://ancestry.com/> and 
> rebuild my extended tree with My Heritage.
> 
> My question is can My Heritage.com provide the same or comparable level of 
> info that I was getting from ancestry.com <http://ancestry.com/> if I 
> subscribe to their "Complete" service level?
> 
> Any assistance/recommendations would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> Obrigado/Mahalo/Thanks,
> Bill Ricardo
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Dec 5, 2019 at 12:25 PM Cheri Mello  <mailto:gfsche...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> (Cross posted to Azores, Madeira, and IslandRoutes lists)
> 
> Family Tree DNA (FTDNA)'s Holiday Sale has begun and will run though 
> Thursday, December 26th, until 11:59 PST. 
> 
> At a glance, the prices appear to be the same as the Black Friday through 
> Cyber Monday sale. I'm waiting for a nice chart (like last time) to post the 
> prices.
> 
> Any questions, feel free to ask.
> Cheri Mello, Family Tree DNA Administrator (volunteer)
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Surname BONITO - Lomba da maia, Sao miguel

[Nancy Couto]

Dear Ana and JR, 

It is my understanding also that Bonito started out a nickname. My father’s 
baptism record lists him as Eduardo Couto Bonito, and my grandfather is listed 
on his marriage record as João do Couto Bonito. My family dropped the Bonito 
when they came to the U.S. I would be interested to know if either of you have 
Couto Bonitos in your files, especially from Arrifes, Relva, or São José.

Nancy

P.S. I believe there is also a family called Couto Feio, which suggests that 
the nickname has nothing to do with fish.



> On Nov 25, 2019, at 10:12 AM, JR  wrote:
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> If I may, who was Manuel Lourenco Bonito married to? I have some Bonitos in 
> my files and would like to see if they are related. Bonito means pretty and 
> fine, but it is also a fish, a kind of tuna. And may be the source of the 
> nickname, as many people were fishermen.
> 
> JR
> 
> On Sunday, November 24, 2019 at 11:48:48 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
> Hi Ana,
> 
> The Azores government digitized what was available to them. For the island of 
> Sao Miguel, that was up to 1905. After 1905, you have to use the Civil 
> Registry for Ribeira Grande.  If you are still a Portuguese citizen, you may 
> be able to order the records online, provided you have a name and an exact 
> date. I had to get a new computer and I no longer have the URL. Someone here 
> on this list will have it.
> 
> The Azores government digitized from 1905 going back to the beginning of the 
> records. Every freguesia is different with their start dates. Use Tombo.pt to 
> see how far back your freguesia goes and what was digitized. What you see on 
> the Azores government site (the CCA) by going through Tombo.pt is all that 
> exists.
> Good luck,
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
> 
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> On Sun, Nov 24, 2019 at 8:43 PM Ana Bonito gmail.com 
> > wrote:
> Hi Cheri thanks for reply, was looking for 1800 onward to 1940s.  
> I have exhausted both sites and have binders printed of indexes from tombo 
> and genweb.  
> Any other sites to recommend?
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] What is a Conselho de Familia in aninventario?

[Nancy Couto]

A brother german or sister german is someone you share both parents with. It 
means a full sibling rather than a half- or step-sibling. A cousin german is 
the same as a first cousin. The term comes from the Latin word “germanus,” 
which means “full” or “own.”

Nancy


> On Aug 12, 2019, at 10:41 AM,  
>  wrote:
> 
> I can not read Portuguese but Germanos is not people from Germany because it 
> is called something different in Portuguese. I think they are referring to 
> twins.
>  
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> From: JesseAndDeborah Mendonca 
> Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2019 9:16 PM
> To: azores@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] What is a Conselho de Familia in aninventario?
>  
> I still don’t understand when a family council is needed, but using Google 
> translate, there are these guidelines for family councils—
>  
> They should consist of 5 parents (relatives?) closest to the family and who 
> resides in the legal jurisdiction, three from the paternal side and two from 
> the maternal side.  Preferably they should be older, but they each will have 
> an equal degree of judgement.  
>  
> 1. If there are no relatives other than one of the lines, the other _ 
> will be named from the friends of the minor's parents, except that in this 
> case, even if this line is maternal, it will supply three __. (The 
> term 
> Hais comes up vowel... must mean something like person.)
>  
> 2. The German brothers, and the husbands of the German sisters, may all be 
> members of the family council together, even if they are more than five; but 
> if they form an even number, one more relative will be called. (Does Germanos 
> and Germanas mean German as translate says?)
>  
> Do you know when these were needed?
>  
> Debbie
>  
>  
>  
>  
> On Sun, Aug 11, 2019 at 6:14 PM Ângela Loura  > wrote:
> Hope this helps:
>  
> 
>  
>  
> Cheri Mello mailto:gfsche...@gmail.com>> escreveu no 
> dia segunda, 12/08/2019 à(s) 01:44:
> I saw that in a bunch of inventories that I copied last year. I kinda 
> interpreted the "concelho de familia" as the interested blood lines in the 
> deceased's estate.
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>  
>  
> On Sun, Aug 11, 2019 at 5:42 PM IslandRoutes 
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> I am helping a cousin interpret the inventario she got on her relative. We 
> keep seeing the term conselho de familia and noticed that people were 
> selected for it.
> 
> Is this a normal part of the inventario process?  What is their role in the 
> proceedings?
> 
> Thanks,
> Melody 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Some help

[Nancy Couto]

Gordon, my maternal grandfather and his mother and sisters arrived in New
Bedford in 1901. My father and his mother and siblings arrived in Boston in
1920. My maternal grandmother and her mother were the only ones in my
family to enter through Ellis Island. Immigrants who landed in New York
prior to 1892 probably came through Castle Garden.

Nancy


On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 3:19 PM  wrote:

> Both my maternal grandparents from Terceira to Providence RI
>
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> On May 29, 2019, at 12:00 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci 
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> Gordon,
> I searched for my grandfather and his family for years coming in to NY. I
> knew the ship, the Madonna, the date too and could not find them on the
> ship manifest. Then when Ellis Island was being remodeled, I asked my Tia
> (grandpa's sis) if she remembered seeing the Statue of Liberty and Ellis
> when they arrived. She said, no, we landed in Providence RI!!! 35 years of
> looking in NY and there they were, coming into RI. You have to realize that
> the Passenger Manifests stayed in the *Port of Entry*. So,the Madonna
> went to Providence first dropped off passengers and then on to NY! Problem
> solved.
>
> Rosemarie
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> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>
>
> On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 11:27 AM Gordon soares  wrote:
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>> What other ports of entry would someone come through if not Ellis Island?
>> I have searched Ellis Island for my grandfather Jesse Ferreira and have not
>> found him. There is a possibility of someone with like name (Ferrero which
>> was a misspelling of his name on a census document) leaving the Azores on a
>> New Zealand ship Admiral Sampson NZ bound for Port Antonio, Jamaica in
>> 1902. The date is a match but that is a long shot. I don’t know how to
>> proceed but would want to look for other US ports of disembarking. Anybody
>> have some suggestions?
>>
>> Gordon
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Antonio Ferreira Couto from Santa Maria

[Nancy Couto]

Susan, 

Thanks for your lovely words about my blog. I'm glad the Pickle Pin Club post 
resonated with you. I still have a couple of pickle pins, too, and I keep them 
in a jewelry box. Those were happy days, and the annual Fourth-of-July parade 
was the high point.

Thanks for reading.

Nancy


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> On Mar 18, 2019, at 5:03 PM, 'Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy 
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> Hello Nancy,
> I was by chance waiting for a family member at a dental office this morning 
> when I came upon your post. I very much enjoyed many of your blog posts. You 
> are a very talented writer. my favorite being the Pickle Parade (I think 
> I have one of those pickles tucked away in my “miscellaneous” drawer:) I can 
> see why you cried from the heart of your treasured memories heck, I 
> did too, as I could relate to so much (kool-aide and special forts forever) 
> Thanks for sharing!
> 
> Susan Vargas Murphy
> 
>> On Mar 18, 2019, at 5:05 AM, Nancy Couto  wrote:
>> 
>> Those of you with Santa Maria ancestry might be interested in my latest blog 
>> post about my 7th great-grandfather. I have several DNA matches to people 
>> whose ancestors came from Santa Maria, but Antonio Ferreira Couto is the 
>> only one that I can say for sure came from there. If you have him in your 
>> tree, please let me know.
>> 
>> I am in Santa Maria now, and I am about to fly to Sao Miguel. 
>> 
>> You can read my blog post here: 
>> http://www.nancyvieiracouto.com/blog/looking-for-antonio-ferreira-couto
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Nancy
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Antonio Ferreira Couto from Santa Maria

[Nancy Couto]

Those of you with Santa Maria ancestry might be interested in my latest blog 
post about my 7th great-grandfather. I have several DNA matches to people whose 
ancestors came from Santa Maria, but Antonio Ferreira Couto is the only one 
that I can say for sure came from there. If you have him in your tree, please 
let me know.

I am in Santa Maria now, and I am about to fly to Sao Miguel. 

You can read my blog post here: 
http://www.nancyvieiracouto.com/blog/looking-for-antonio-ferreira-couto

Thanks,
Nancy

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Modern spelling of Ferias

[Nancy Couto]

I believe the name Frias originated in Spain. If you do a Google search on
the surname, that's what you'll find.

My maternal grandmother was a Frias from Rosario, Lagoa, São Miguel. You'll
find a lot of people with that surname in Lagoa.

Nancy

On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 8:04 PM Joseph Mendonca 
wrote:

> Thanks Ângela,
>
> As I research more of this branch I'll see if the spelling varies and if
> their is a pattern depending on the time period.  Then I'll indicate it in
> my notes.
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 7:37 PM Ângela Loura 
> wrote:
>
>> Long story short, the priests often wrote what they hard, which sometimes
>> varies on ones pronnounciation.
>>
>> Margaret Vicente  escreveu no dia quinta,
>> 20/12/2018 à(s) 23:55:
>>
>>> Joseph,
>>> Feria is a surname under the Spanish influence, unless it evolves to
>>> Faria it should be recorded as such
>>>
>>> The name Faria is derivated from a place in Portugal.  Farias is a
>>> variation of Faria.
>>>
>>> Frias stands on its own and should not be taken as a variant of Faria.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 6:31 PM Joseph Mendonca 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Vacation has an accent on the "e" férias.  "Ferias" is the way it is
 spelled in some of the records. For example:
 Left page, top, 4th line down

 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-FURNAS-B-1860-1869/SMG-PV-FURNAS-B-1860-1869_item1/P161.html

 I've also seen it spelled "Frias".

 I think it is a different surname from "Faria" but I'm not 100% sure
 either.

 I just want to normalize the spelling of the name in my database.



 On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 5:55 PM Cheri Mello 
 wrote:

> I think it's Frias. The Guill book has Frias. He doesn't have Ferias.
> Doesn't that word mean vacation?
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 2:47 PM GENEVA COOK-GERVAIS <
> geneva...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> My distant family from Sao Miguel used the spelling De Faria , Faria
>> and Farias. Don't know if that is the same family or not….
>>
>> On December 20, 2018 at 5:26 PM Joseph Mendonca <
>> jemendonca...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I am discovering ancestors with the surname of Ferias and sometimes I
>> see it spelled Frias.  Can anyone tell me what the normalized modern
>> spelling of this name is?
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Tree Maker

[Nancy Couto]

Liz, 

I have Family Tree Maker, and I have not had any problems. One of the best 
features of the Software MacKiev version is that it is possible to link more 
than one family tree to Ancestry. The color coding is also a useful.

Nancy


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help needed with photograph

[Nancy Couto]

Susan,

I found this information on the CCA website:

"José Pacheco Toste(1850-?)

Natural da ilha Terceira, foi viver para São Miguel, onde aprendeu a
fotografar com Mariano José Machado. Em 1875 é referenciado como fotógrafo
ambulante, altura em que estabeleceu o seu atelier na Rua do Valverde, 48 ,
com o nome de Photographia Central, conhecida posteriormente por Foto Toste.
Mudou-se por volta de 1879 para o número 58 da mesma rua, mudança esta
anunciada em jornais dos vários concelhos da ilha. Os anúncios na imprensa
revelam uma constante actualização com a aquisição dos mais diversos tipos
de máquinas. Realizou uma viagem aos Estados Unidos da América, em 1900, na
companhia da filha Maria das Dores, com o objectivo de aperfeiçoar o método
de trabalho. Após a sua morte, a filha, casada com Jacinto Óscar Dias Rego,
prosseguiu a actividade."

Here's a link to the page, which contains a list of photographers.
http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/aia/fotografia/Fotografos.aspx

Your photo was taken on or after 1879.

Nancy

On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 7:53 AM, LeFevre13  wrote:

> Hi
> I have a photograph of the parents of Antonio De Souza (born ca 1843,
> location on Sao Miguel unknown).
> On the reverse side of the photograph it states "Photographia Central, D
> E, Jose Pacheco Toste, Rua Do Valverde No 58, S. Miguel"
> Can anyone tell me anything about the photographer, dates he may have
> conducted his business and the location this address relates to on Sao
> Miguel? Any help would be very much appreciated. Susan Organ
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] D'Aubigne or Dabney Family of Fayal, Azores

[Nancy Couto]

K, do you know about the book "On the Edge of History," by Joseph C. Abdo?
The first chapter includes a mention of the Huguenot leader Agrippa
d'Aubigne. The author states that the brothers Cornelius, John, and Robert
d'Aubigne fled to Britain to escape religious persecution. Cornelius and
John later left for Virginia and changed the family name to Dabney. Robert
went to Boston. Robert's great-grandson John Bass Dabney is the main focus
of Abdo's account, and a family tree of his descendants is included. I
don't believe Cornelius's descendants are mentioned. But, if you are
interested in the account, Amazon is selling the book in an expensive
paperback edition and a very reasonably priced Kindle edition. Also, there
are apparently used copies available.

Since your ancestor immigrated to Virginia sometime between 1715 and 1717,
you might be able to find information on him through Ancestry.com or one of
the other genealogy sites. There's a lot of information available on
Colonial Virginia.

Good luck.
Nancy


On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 10:58 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> K, I don't think there are any M.D.s on this list. You'd have to go to a
> university or search the PubMed on Crohns Disease. We are a genealogy list
> and research our ancestors going back in time. I also believe that the
> Dabney family you speak of lived before Crohn's was labeled as such.
>
> I don't know if anyone has researched the Dabney family and has it
> documented with primary sources. Many records that could be used as primary
> sources just don't exist from then. If you are a male, you should take a
> Y-DNA test. It will follow your Dabney line all the way back in time
> (assuming there's no illegitimacy or skeleton in the closet on that line).
> Family Tree DNA is the only company who still offers Y-DNA testing for
> genealogy. I'd do a Y-DNA 67 marker. If that's not in your budget, start of
> at a lower resolution and add more markers as the budget allows. DNA can
> help in the tracing of family lines when there's no paper trail to follow.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Raleza, Antonio Soares

[Nancy Couto]

Fernando,

Is it possible that the Raleza surname was originally an alcunha and that
the spelling has changed? The word "realeza" means "royalty" in both
Portuguese and Spanish. Maybe one of Mr. Soares' ancestors was a descendant
of royalty, or acted as if he was. Just a guess.

Nancy

On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 12:40 PM,  wrote:

> My great aunt Hortencia Luis Pimentel (1921-2015) married Antonio Soares
> Raleza. I’m pretty certain they had a couple sons and daughters but my
> family has no other info. I was wondering if anyone knows of this family?
> The last name (Raleza) is unique I think. My aunt is from Vila Franca, SM,
> but I can’t assume that’s where her kids are from. Thanks Fernando
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] FTM issue

[Nancy Couto]

Sam, 

I have FTM 2017, and I have not had any problems syncing with Ancestry. Before 
the syncing begins, a screen appears showing how many changes, including 
deletions, will be made. It is then possible to get a report and to cancel the 
syncing if desired. I find that any deletions shown always turn out to be 
deletions I forgot I had made. At any rate, it isn't automatic, and you can 
stop the process if anything doesn't look right.

Hope this helps. 

Nancy


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Off subject: FTM

[Nancy Couto]

I agree with JR. It is my understanding that anyone who bought the interim
MacKiev version was entitled to a free copy of FTM 2017. You might need to
pay extra for the miultiple computers license, but you really should be
able to get the program for free, since the one you had was never intended
to be the final version. Do try MacKiev's help line.

Also, if you're on Facebook there are two users' groups for FTM 2017. The
administrators of these groups are very helpful, and some MacKiev employees
also check in and answer questions. The groups are called Family Tree Maker
- Mac version and Family Tree Maker Users.

For what it's worth, I like the new program. One major improvement for
anyone with more than one tree is that you can sync both of them with their
corresponding ancestry trees. Don't expect to sync the color coding,
though. That's just for your FTM tree.

Good luck.

Nancy

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Off subject: FTM

[Nancy Couto]

Sam, you have to be signed in to Ancestry from within FTM. If you have gotten 
disconnected--it happens sometimes--and FTM is still showing you as connected, 
then sign out of Ancestry and sign in again. Go to the Ancestry icon on the 
upper right of your screen to do that. It worked for me. But you have to be 
signed in from within FTM for the sync to work and also for the little green 
leaves to appear.

Nancy

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Has anyone upgraded old FTM 16 to newMcKiev

[Nancy Couto]

Pam, it's my understanding that if you purchased Mac 3.1 (a Software
MacKiev product) you can download FTM 2017 for free. I was using Mac 3.0
(still an Ancestry product) and had to pay about $29 for 2017, which, as
software goes, is a bargain. Why not check it out. If you can get 2017 for
free, you have nothing to lose. For what it's worth, I like it! There are
some new features, like color coding, which allows you to assign colors to
each of your family lines--or assign the colors any way you like. Syncing
with Ancestry can be problematic, but I think the problem is on Ancestry's
side. With 2017, you can sync more than one tree, and that works out great
for me.

Nancy

On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 5:44 PM, Dennis Marshall 
wrote:

>
>
> I also upgraded to FTM 2017 from 2014 without any issues installing and
> converting existing trees…...until yesterday.  Uploading my larger trees to
> Ancestry would repeatedly time out, only partially completed, and the
> screen displayed a request to send an error report to tech support.  When I
> contacted tech support I was told that the “first" time you sync your tree
> data, there is a 1gB data limit.  With larger trees, your media files can
> easily surpass this limit.I was told to detach media files from my tree
> by moving them to another document file temporarily.  Then upload just the
> tree data and once the initial upload was successful, just add the media
> back to the tree and subsequent uploads should proceed without the 1 gB
> restriction. Thereafter you can upload your media files as needed in the
> future in your sync procedures. I don’t recall seeing this 1 gB restriction
> rule before, but I could have easily missed it.
>
> FYI...I have not been able to complete this procedure today as there is a
> warning alert concerning connection interruptions today at the Ancestry
> site and they recommend waiting until it’s resolved hopefully today
> sometime. By the way, I am running on Windows 10.
>
> Hope this can be of some help other FTM users should they stumble with
> syncing their trees
>
> And otherwise, I find the FTM 2017 to be a nice improvement over my 2014
> version. It seems a bit faster, although that’s subjective on my part. As I
> spend more time on the program, there may be other useful upgrades, but I
> wasn’t at all dissatisfied with my old FTM 2014 really. Also I find that
> it’s convenient to have both Ancestry hints as well as Family search hints
> populating your trees since I did not have that function previously.
>
> Dennis
>
> On Jul 26, 2017, at 7:45 AM, Michael Gilfilian 
> wrote:
>
> I’m trying the 2017 upgrade and it didn’t bring my media either when I
> synced it with ancestry, but I still 2014 on a separate hard drive so I can
> still use it.
> Mike
>
> Sent from Mail  for
> Windows 10
>
> *From: *JR 
> *Sent: *Wednesday, July 26, 2017 10:29 AM
> *To: *Azores Genealogy 
> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Has anyone upgraded old FTM 16 to
> newMcKiev
>
> Why don't you just try the trial version. Then if doesn't work, don't buy
> it. I bought the 2014 version and see no difference with the 2017 version.
> Apparently, the big deal is interfacing with Ancestry.com and getting
> that feature to work. I don't use ancestry, so it is necessary to update at
> all from 2014.  Version 2014 works with Windows 7 and 10.
>
> JR
>
> On Tuesday, July 25, 2017 at 10:26:43 PM UTC-4, Pam Santos wrote:
>
> I installed the update for mac 3.1 and it did not carry all my media file
> over. I haven't purchased 2017 if it doesn't transfer it over I would
> extremely upset way way to many records to link to the individuals
>
> On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 4:49 PM, JR  wrote:
>
> I upgraded. You can install FTM 2014 without deinstalling Ver 16. They run
> independently and you can run both at same time. Just save your files to
> your computer or flash drive. Then install 2014. Go to import and select
> files from your flash drive.
>  I much prefer Ver. 16. Much better interface and easier to navigate. I am
> running Ver 16, though it is somewhat slower.
>
> Go to windows button and click, click Computer on right side, click system
> properties, now look under system properties and it will show your "system
> type". It is probably 32 bit operating system. If it is 64 bit, this will
> be the source of any problems because Ver. 16 was designed to run on 32 bit
> system. However, I still use it anyway.
>
> As long as you can saving your files in at least two places; say your
> computer and a flashdrive; Two flash drives if you really want to be safe.
> Two 4 gig flashdrives is all you need and they are fairly cheap.
>
> JR
>
>
> On Saturday, July 15, 2017 at 12:19:25 AM UTC-4, E. Sharp wrote:
>
> Has anyone upgraded the old FTM 16 genealogy program to the new McKiev
> program?  If so, how easy difficult was it?  I would like to do this but am
> afraid my computer skills are very limited and when I say very limite

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family tree maker upgrade

[Nancy Couto]

In order to sync to Ancestry, you will need to update to FTM 2017, which is
developed by Software MacKiev. If you want to do that, you should do it
soon, because the prerelease price, if you are eligible for it, is only
good before the product ships. How much you will have to pay depends on
which version of FTM you have now.

Ancestry has discontinued its sync. In fact they were going to discontinue
it at the end of 2016, but MacKiev convinced them to leave it running until
the new FTM (MacKiev version) was ready. It will be replaced with MacKiev's
Family Sync. The new Family Sync couldn't be tested until after Ancestry
turned off the old sync (about three weeks ago). There were some kinks, but
apparently most of them have been worked out, and MacKiev is now running a
Beta Test Drive program with 25,000 participants. If all goes well, they
will begin shipping and making downloads available on a rolling basis. The
"rolling" is because Ancestry's servers apparently can't handle all the FTM
users trying the new sync at once. I think the release will be soon. I am
not part of the Beta test, but I purchased the software at the prerelease
price of $29.95, and I'm looking forward to trying out some new features,
like color coding.

Here's a link to a page with information about the testing and projected
release timetable.  https://support.mackiev.com/498640-RELEASE-OF-FTM-2017

Also, if you are on Facebook, there are a couple of groups you may be
interested in joining: Family Tree Maker Users and Family Tree Maker - Mac
Version.

Nancy


On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 9:46 AM, 'Bill Boyd' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Yes, I have FTM 2014.1 and it doesn't sync (as advertised). I bought
> RootsMagic in anticipation of syncing to Ancestry in mid April. Crickets
> from RootsMagic and I hear the new sync isn't working well with Ancestry
> 2017. Leaves me uncomfortably with my primary information now on Ancestry
> and no current backup, where I never wanted to be.
>
> Bill
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Feliz Natal e Prospero Ano Novo (Merry Christmas/Happy New Year) Thread

[Nancy Couto]

Boas Festas to all of you! 

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> On Dec 24, 2016, at 2:51 AM, Joe Matias  wrote:
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> Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year !!
> 
>> On Sat, Dec 24, 2016 at 1:31 AM, Rosemarie Capodicci  
>> wrote:
>> Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year with lots and lots of new genealogy 
>> finds!! 
>> 
>> 
>> Rosemarie
>> rcap...@gmail.com
>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>> 
>>> On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 9:20 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>> Feliz Natal (Merry Christmas) and Prospero Ano Novo (Happy New Year)!
>>> 
>>> If you would like to send greetings to the list, use this thread ONLY. Just 
>>> hit reply to this thread and respond. Do NOT start a new thread. 
>>> 
>>> Please post your greetings by 11:59 pm YOUR TIME on Dec. 25th. If it's 
>>> 12:01 your time on Dec. 26th, you are too late.
>>> 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] MARQUES from Lagoa

[Nancy Couto]

​Thanks, Manoel. These people are in my ​tree as well, although not direct
ancestors. I descend from Dionisio Fragoso and Catarina de Reveredo.

Nancy



2016-12-02 9:16 GMT-05:00 Eliseu Pacheco da Silva :

> Thanks for your imput Manoel!
>
>
>
> *De:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *Em nome
> de *mances
> *Enviada:* 1 de dezembro de 2016 21:22
> *Para:* Azores Genealogy 
> *Cc:* marra...@yahoo.com
> *Assunto:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] MARQUES from Lagoa
>
>
>
> John and Eliseu,
>
>
>
> I also descend from this line.
>
>
>
> Baltazar de Morais and Bárbara Marques married in Matriz da Ribeira Grande
> on 1 feb 1630 - CCA #27.
>
> See below.
>
>
>
> It seems to me that this line of Marques in Lagoa came from Marcos
> Gonçalves from Ribeira Grande as a patronymic.
>
>
>
>
>
> Manoel César Furtado
>
>
>
>
>
> *Ahnentafel Chart for Bárbara Marques*
>
>
>
>
>
> *First Generation*
>
>
>
>   1.* Bárbara Marques * was born on 8 Feb 1640 in Matriz, Ribeira
> Grande. She died on 8 Feb 1679 in Rosario, Lagoa, São Miguel.
>
>
>
> Batismo - CCA #220. Pd: João Ledo e Bárbara Lopes filha de Pedro Jorge.
>
> Óbito - CCA #16
>
>
>
> Bárbara married *Francisco Fragoso * son of Francisco Pereira and Ana
> Fragoso on 12 Jun 1662 in Rosario, Lagoa, São Miguel. Francisco was born
> about 1638 in Matriz, Lagoa, São Miguel. He died on 24 Mar 1699 in Rosario,
> Lagoa, São Miguel.
>
>
>
>
>
> *Second Generation*
>
>
>
>   2.* Baltazar de Morais * was born on 6 Jul 1603 in Matriz, Ribeira
> Grande. He died on 12 Sep 1686 in Rosario, Lagoa, São Miguel. He married
> Maria Marques on 1 Feb 1630 in Matriz, Ribeira Grande.
>
>
>
> Batismo - CCA #4. Pd: Gaspar Diniz e a parteira Maria Gonçalves.
>
> Casamento - CCA #27
>
> Óbito - CCA #63. Sepultado na Ermida do Apóstolo São Pedro anexa à
> paroquia de N. S. do
>
> Rosário.
>
>
>
> Filhos batizados na Matriz da Ribeira Grande:
>
> . Isabel, b. 1.11.1630 - CCA#48. Filha de Baltazar de Morais e Maria
> Marques. Pd: Gaspar
>
> Fernandes e Catarina de Benevides.
>
> . João, b. 4.9.1633 - CCA #104. Filho de Baltazar de Morais e Maria Viegas
> (sic). Pd: Antonio de
>
> Amaral e Maria Pacheco filha de Belchior Roiz, todos moradores nesta
> freguesia.
>
> . Maria, b. 20.5.1635 - CCA #131. Filha de Baltazar de Morais e Maria
> Viegas (sic). Pd: André
>
> Pacheco filho de Pedro Fernandes, e Madalena Lopes filha de Pedro Jorge.
>
> . Manuel, b. 6.4.1638 - CCA #184. Filho de Baltazar de Morais e Maria
> Marques. Pd: Lucas de
>
> Almeida e Bárbara Lopes filha de Pedro Jorge. (Manuel Marques casou em
> novembro de 1665 em
>
> São José de Ponta Delgada com Maria Correia, filha de Manuel Correia,
> ausente, e Madalena de
>
> Mesas).
>
> . Bárbara, b. 8.2.1640 - CCA #220. Pd: João Ledo e Bárbara Lopes filha de
> Pedro Jorge.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>   3.* Maria Marques * was born on 1 Jun 1608 in Matriz, Ribeira
> Grande. She died on 26 Aug 1685 in Rosario, Lagoa, São Miguel.
>
> Também documentada como Maria Viegas.
>
> Batismo - CCA #101. Pd: Miguel de Paiva e Isabel Gonçalves.
>
> Óbito - CCA #52-53
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *Third Generation*
>
>
>
>   4.* Martim Álvares * was born in Matriz, Ribeira Grande. He married
> Águeda Gaspar on 21 Mar 1594 in Matriz, Ribeira Grande.
>
>
>
> Casamento - CCA #33
>
>
>
> Filhos batizados na Matriz da Ribeira Grande:
>
> . Isabel, b. 12.9.1600 - CCA #191. Pd: João Roiz e Maria Dias.
>
> . Baltazar, b. 6.7.1603 - CCA #4. Pd: Gaspar Diniz e a parteira Maria
> Gonçalves.
>
> . João, b. 31.12.1606 - CCA #74. Pd: Gaspar Diniz e Maria Ferreira.
>
>
>
>
>
>   5.* Águeda Gaspar * was born on 2 Feb 1568 in Matriz, Ribeira
> Grande.
>
>
>
> Batismo - CCA #62. Pd: Antonio Paes e Domingas Dias.
>
>
>
>
>
>   6.* Baltazar Roiz * was born on 31 May 1569 in Matriz, Ribeira
> Grande. He married Maria Gonçalves on 30 Oct 1589 in Matriz, Ribeira Grande.
>
>
>
> Batismo - CCA #88. Pd: Frutuoso Dias e Ana da Costa.
>
> Casamento - CCA #15
>
>
>
> Filhos batizados na Matriz da Ribeira Grande:
>
> . Maria, b. 1.6.1608 - CCA #101. Pd: Miguel de Paiva e Isabel Gonçalves.
>
>
>
>
>
>   7.* Maria Gonçalves * was born on 28 Dec 1573 in Matriz, Ribeira
> Grande.
>
>
>
> Batismo - CCA #168. Pd: Frutuoso Dias e Inês Viegas.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *Fourth Generation*
>
>
>
>   8.* Simão Álvares * was born in Matriz, Ribeira Grande. He married
> Inês Jorge.
>
>
>
> Morador na Ribeirinha.
>
>
>
> Filhos batizados na Matriz da Ribeira Grande:
>
> . ...? 1544? - CCA #34. Filho de Simão Álvares e Inês Jorge. Pd: Antonio
> de ...?
>
> . Gaspar, b. 5.1.1549 - CCA #92. Pd: Manuel? Pires, Rui Pires, ...? e Inês
> Álvares.
>
>
>
>
>
>   9.* Inês Jorge * was born in Matriz, Ribeira Grande. She died on 13
> Sep 1583 in Matriz, Ribeira Grande.
>
>
>
> Óbito - CCA #28. Inês Jorge mulher de Simão Álvares, da Ribeirinha.
>
>
>
>
>
> 10.* Gaspar Gonçalves * was born in Matriz, Ribeira Grande. He died
> after 1594. He married
>
> Isabel Nunes on 30 Apr 1567 in Matriz, Ribei

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] CCA 500 Error

[Nancy Couto]

I'm using Safari on a Mac and going directly to the CCA site. I'm getting
in about 65% of the time. When I get the error message I just try again,
and the page loads. They seem to be working on half a tank of gas, or half
a glass of milk, or whatever. I think there might just be too much traffic
this holiday weekend for their server to handle.

On Sun, Jul 3, 2016 at 5:00 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> OK, because I was 50-50 with the 4 I was trying, so I thought maybe it was
> the browser. I guess not.
>
> Cheri Mello
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> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
> Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Sun, Jul 3, 2016 at 11:10 AM, Rosemarie Capodicci 
> wrote:
>
>> I'm using chrome on Windows 7.
>>
>> Rosemarie
>> rcap...@gmail.com
>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 3, 2016 at 9:58 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>
>>> Calling all computer geeks
>>>
>>> I tried to access the CCA through the following:
>>> Internet Explorer (PC running Windows 8): Successful
>>> Samsung s4 phone: Successful
>>> Chrome (PC running Windows 8): Cleared cookies. Failed.
>>> Firefox (PC running Windows 8): Cleared cookies. Failed.
>>>
>>> Those who are getting on the CCA and viewing the image: What are using?
>>> (Look at my paragraph above to describe).
>>>
>>> Those who are getting a 500 error: What are you using? (Look at
>>> paragraph above to describe).
>>>
>>> Can any of you computer geek techies help? Is it us?
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
>>> Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with name--Marriage, Relva, 1774

[Nancy Couto]

Yes, I am leaning toward "Ruda," too. Now I just need to confirm it with
some other documents.

Thanks for your help.

Nancy


On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 5:31 PM, Carlos Cardoso  wrote:

> hi, Nancy, I believe it is "Ruda" which was commonly written in those
> records for "Arruda"!
>
>
> On Wednesday, June 22, 2016 at 12:55:17 PM UTC-4, NancyC wrote:
>>
>> Can anyone help me decipher the second name (surname or religious name)
>> of the groom's mother? (Right page, lines 19-20.) I've been staring at it
>> for two days and am totally baffled. Here's what I have:
>>
>> Francisco de Couto, filho de Antonio do Couto, e de Antonia de
>> __? What looks like a three-letter word or abbreviation ends the
>> line, and the next line starts with "da." In context the word "da" does not
>> make sense, so I believe it is a continuation of the three-letters on the
>> previous line. I've checked the Family Search guides to Portuguese
>> paleography and can't find anything that matches.
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-RELVA-C-1762-1780/SMG-PD-RELVA-C-1762-1780_item1/P94.html
>>
>> I will appreciate any insights or advice you can offer.
>>
>> Many thanks,
>> Nancy
>>
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Today Amazon is offering free Ebook called Us and Them by Bill Meara

[Nancy Couto]

The free eBook can be downloaded to any device that has the Kindle app. You 
don't need to have a Kindle. I just downloaded it to my iPad. The family lived 
ten years in Europe, but only three of those years were spent in the Azores.

Nancy

Sent from my iPad

> On Jun 28, 2016, at 7:23 PM, Diana R G  wrote:
> 
> It is only allowing it to be downloaded to a Kindle free at this time. 
> 
>> On Tuesday, June 28, 2016, George Medeiros  wrote:
>> The book Us and Them is about a U.S. family living ten years in the 
>> Azores...George
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with name--Marriage, Relva, 1774

[Nancy Couto]

Yes, I can see it now. The marriage record also shows an exaggerated "R" in
the word "Relva" four lines up from the bottom. Obviously this part of my
family tree is still a work in progress, but now I have something to look
for.

Thanks.
Nancy


On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 8:21 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel <
rfrancispimen...@comcast.net> wrote:

> *Looking at the names on the baptism of Anna the writer in transitioning
> from the capitol “A” to the small “r” made the “r” more elaborate than
> normal. In both cases the name on this record is “Aruda” in todays spelling
> Arruda.  Going back to the marriage record it now looks that the writer
> wrote in the same way Aru – da. The Aru is squeezed together making it hard
> to read.*
>
>
>
> *Rick*
>
>
>
> *Richard Francis Pimentel*
>
> *Epping, NH*
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Nancy Couto
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 22, 2016 10:44 PM
> *To:* azores@googlegroups.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with name--Marriage, Relva, 1774
>
>
>
> Thanks, Rosemarie, Rick, and Manoel. I have the baptisms of four of their
> children, and Antonia's surname is given as "dos Santos" on all but one of
> them. I was thinking of it as her religious name, but it could be a surname.
>
>
>
> I like the suggestion of "de Ruda" however, because two of the children
> had, as godparents, children of Joana Tavares, widow of Joam de Arruda.
> (Actually, it looks more like "Aluda," and I was wondering whether Joana's
> late husband might have been a relative and whether Antonia's surname could
> have been either Arruda or Almeida.
>
>
>
> Here is the link to one of the baptisms (Anna, right page, top):
>
>
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-RELVA-B-1743-1760/SMG-PD-RELVA-B-1743-1760_item1/P89.html
>
>
>
> Thanks again for the input.
>
>
>
> Nancy
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 8:03 PM, mances  wrote:
>
> Nancy,
>
>
>
> I have seen "de Arruda" written as "da Ruda". Not sure but maybe is "de
> Ruda" (de Arruda).
>
> You have to look for the children born to this couple or all the marriages
> of their children to figure it out..
>
>
>
> Manoel
>
> Em quarta-feira, 22 de junho de 2016 20:41:31 UTC-3, Richard Francis
> Pimentel escreveu:
>
> *I don’t think it is Machada. The first letter is definitely not an “M”
> and the writer spelled all the other names out fully so an abbreviation
> there makes no sense.  I am not sure but the name is not common.*
>
>
>
> *Rick*
>
>
>
> *Richard Francis Pimentel*
>
> *Epping, NH*
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* azo...@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *Rosemarie Capodicci
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 22, 2016 1:03 PM
> *To:* azo...@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with name--Marriage, Relva, 1774
>
>
>
> Possibly Machada?? You will have to try and find that couple having
> children to verify, Nancy!!
>
>
>
>
> Rosemarie
>
> rcap...@gmail.com
>
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 9:55 AM, NancyC  wrote:
>
> Can anyone help me decipher the second name (surname or religious name) of
> the groom's mother? (Right page, lines 19-20.) I've been staring at it for
> two days and am totally baffled. Here's what I have:
>
>
>
> Francisco de Couto, filho de Antonio do Couto, e de Antonia de __?
> What looks like a three-letter word or abbreviation ends the line, and the
> next line starts with "da." In context the word "da" does not make sense,
> so I believe it is a continuation of the three-letters on the previous
> line. I've checked the Family Search guides to Portuguese paleography and
> can't find anything that matches.
>
>
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-RELVA-C-1762-1780/SMG-PD-RELVA-C-1762-1780_item1/P94.html
>
>
>
> I will appreciate any insights or advice you can offer.
>
>
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Nancy
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with name--Marriage, Relva, 1774

[Nancy Couto]

Thanks, Rosemarie, Rick, and Manoel. I have the baptisms of four of their
children, and Antonia's surname is given as "dos Santos" on all but one of
them. I was thinking of it as her religious name, but it could be a surname.

I like the suggestion of "de Ruda" however, because two of the children
had, as godparents, children of Joana Tavares, widow of Joam de Arruda.
(Actually, it looks more like "Aluda," and I was wondering whether Joana's
late husband might have been a relative and whether Antonia's surname could
have been either Arruda or Almeida.

Here is the link to one of the baptisms (Anna, right page, top):

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-RELVA-B-1743-1760/SMG-PD-RELVA-B-1743-1760_item1/P89.html

Thanks again for the input.

Nancy


On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 8:03 PM, mances  wrote:

> Nancy,
>
> I have seen "de Arruda" written as "da Ruda". Not sure but maybe is "de
> Ruda" (de Arruda).
> You have to look for the children born to this couple or all the marriages
> of their children to figure it out..
>
> Manoel
>
> Em quarta-feira, 22 de junho de 2016 20:41:31 UTC-3, Richard Francis
> Pimentel escreveu:
>>
>> *I don’t think it is Machada. The first letter is definitely not an “M”
>> and the writer spelled all the other names out fully so an abbreviation
>> there makes no sense.  I am not sure but the name is not common.*
>>
>>
>>
>> *Rick*
>>
>>
>>
>> *Richard Francis Pimentel*
>>
>> *Epping, NH*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* azo...@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] *On
>> Behalf Of *Rosemarie Capodicci
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 22, 2016 1:03 PM
>> *To:* azo...@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with name--Marriage, Relva, 1774
>>
>>
>>
>> Possibly Machada?? You will have to try and find that couple having
>> children to verify, Nancy!!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Rosemarie
>>
>> rcap...@gmail.com
>>
>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>>
>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 9:55 AM, NancyC  wrote:
>>
>> Can anyone help me decipher the second name (surname or religious name)
>> of the groom's mother? (Right page, lines 19-20.) I've been staring at it
>> for two days and am totally baffled. Here's what I have:
>>
>>
>>
>> Francisco de Couto, filho de Antonio do Couto, e de Antonia de
>> __? What looks like a three-letter word or abbreviation ends the
>> line, and the next line starts with "da." In context the word "da" does not
>> make sense, so I believe it is a continuation of the three-letters on the
>> previous line. I've checked the Family Search guides to Portuguese
>> paleography and can't find anything that matches.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-RELVA-C-1762-1780/SMG-PD-RELVA-C-1762-1780_item1/P94.html
>>
>>
>>
>> I will appreciate any insights or advice you can offer.
>>
>>
>>
>> Many thanks,
>>
>> Nancy
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for any Fragoso descendants from Sao Miguel

[Nancy Couto]

Take as many deep breaths as you need. Thanks in advance.

Nancy


On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 10:27 PM, Hermano C. Pires 
wrote:

> Give me time to take a deep breath and I will send it to you privately.
> I will not be long.
> Hermano
>
>
> --
> From: nvcouto...@gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for any Fragoso descendants from
> Sao Miguel
> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2016 09:07:51 -0500
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
>
>
> Hermano,
>
> I would love to see your information on Dionisio's and Catarina's other
> children. I believe we established before that we have José de Frias Bode
> as a common ancestor. I'm wondering whether Ana's line connects with
> Domingos's further down. Many thanks.
>
> Nancy
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jan 24, 2016, at 6:50 AM, mances  wrote:
>
> Hermano,
>
> I am interested in the information you have on their children.
>
> Manoel
>
> Em sábado, 23 de janeiro de 2016 23:49:51 UTC-2, Hermano C. Pires escreveu:
>
> Manuel and Nancy
> We connect again for they are my 9th G-granpaents through their daughter
> Ana.
> Nancy I can share the informatoin that I have on their other children if
> you are interested (I have: Ana, Francisco, Domingos, Cosme, Dionisio).
> Thank you both for confirming my info.
> Hermano
>
>
> --
> From: nvcou...@gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for any Fragoso descendants from
> Sao Miguel
> Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 11:40:32 -0500
> To: azo...@googlegroups.com
>
> Dionísio Fragoso and Catarina de Revoredo are my 10th great-grandparents.
> I descend from their son Domingos, who married Barbara (or Maria) Curvelo
> on 21 Feb 1628. I don't have information on any of their other children.
>
> Nancy
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jan 23, 2016, at 10:16 AM, mances  wrote:
>
> Dionísio Fragoso and Catarina de Revoredo married in Matriz da Lagoa on 20
> sep 1593 are my ancestors too.
> I descend from their daughter Ana Fragoso who married Francisco Pereira in
> Matriz da Lagoa on 5 aug 1632.
>
> Manoel Cesar Furtado
>
> Em sexta-feira, 22 de janeiro de 2016 22:56:45 UTC-2, Mara escreveu:
>
> Lagoa:  Dionisio Fragoso and Catarina de Revoredo.
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 6:32 PM,  wrote:
>
> Margaret, who is your Fragoso ancestor?
>
>
> --
> *From: *"Margaret Vicente" 
> *To: *"azores" 
> *Sent: *Friday, January 22, 2016 1:01:51 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for any Fragoso descendants
> from Sao Miguel
>
> Well, there might be something to the story as I descend from the Fragoso
> line of Lagoa, however two generations down the line one son carried on
> with the Fragoso name while my ancestor took on the name Meireles.  His
> son, was first married in Rabo de Peixe.  Linda mentions Madalena carried
> the name Meireles which makes me wonder if there is indeed a connection.
>
> On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 1:14 PM, JR  wrote:
>
> Manuel de Andrade Fragoso married Maria Madalena do Rego
> Meireles/Meibeles? native of Rabo de Peixe, May 7- 1922.
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1890-1899/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1890-1899_item1/P144.html
>
> Rabo de Peixe casamentos- Nov 4- 1896, Jacintho d' Andrade com
> Escholastica de Jesus, dispensados, 4th degree collateral, 17 Oct, (1696?)
> elle idade de trinta sies annos , pescador, viuvo de Maria de Jesus,
> fallecida n'esta dita fraguesia d'onde e natural e seu pai e moradore e foi
> baptizado, filho de Francisco de Andrade e Maria Candida natural da
> fraguesia de NS da Conceicao dita Villa, e ella a nubente d' idade de vinte
> e nove annos domestica, solteira, natural e seus pais d'esta graguesia do
> Senhor Bom Jesus onde e moradora e foi baptizada, filha de Jose Vieira e
> Maria Izabel...Test- Jose d'Amaral lavrador, morador n'esta fraguesia e
> Joao Pacheco camponez morador na fraguesia do Cabouco...
>
> On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 12:02:06 PM UTC-5, Linda McLellan wrote:
>
> Thanks Cherri,  I will try to go back and do some more research
>
> On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 11:13:20 AM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Linda McL,
>
> You need to watch out for "family stories."  Sometimes, that is what they
> are - just stories. Usually told to amuse the kids (especially before radio
> and television). These kids grew up and became our parents or grandparents
> and retold the stories that they heard as children. And childhood memories
> can be funny things. No one wants to call grandma a liar, but if she is
> telling a story that she heard as a child, it may be just a story that was
> told to amuse her. Little kids are gullible and believe most things they
> are told.
>
> Manuel's baptism had margin notes. Only 1 marriage was noted. I think it
> said he married in the 1920s. Those records are not online. I've seen
> margin notes where they noted the marriage, noted that the marriage was
> dissolved by death of the spouse and they married a 2nd time. Could someone
>

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for any Fragoso descendants from Sao Miguel

[Nancy Couto]

Hermano, 

I would love to see your information on Dionisio's and Catarina's other 
children. I believe we established before that we have José de Frias Bode as a 
common ancestor. I'm wondering whether Ana's line connects with Domingos's 
further down. Many thanks.

Nancy


Sent from my iPad

> On Jan 24, 2016, at 6:50 AM, mances  wrote:
> 
> Hermano,
> 
> I am interested in the information you have on their children.
> 
> Manoel
> 
> Em sábado, 23 de janeiro de 2016 23:49:51 UTC-2, Hermano C. Pires escreveu:
>> 
>> Manuel and Nancy
>> We connect again for they are my 9th G-granpaents through their daughter Ana.
>> Nancy I can share the informatoin that I have on their other children if you 
>> are interested (I have: Ana, Francisco, Domingos, Cosme, Dionisio).
>> Thank you both for confirming my info.
>> Hermano
>> 
>>  
>> From: nvcou...@gmail.com
>> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for any Fragoso descendants from Sao 
>> Miguel
>> Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 11:40:32 -0500
>> To: azo...@googlegroups.com
>> 
>> Dionísio Fragoso and Catarina de Revoredo are my 10th great-grandparents. I 
>> descend from their son Domingos, who married Barbara (or Maria) Curvelo on 
>> 21 Feb 1628. I don't have information on any of their other children.
>> 
>> Nancy
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> On Jan 23, 2016, at 10:16 AM, mances  wrote:
>> 
>> Dionísio Fragoso and Catarina de Revoredo married in Matriz da Lagoa on 20 
>> sep 1593 are my ancestors too.
>> I descend from their daughter Ana Fragoso who married Francisco Pereira in 
>> Matriz da Lagoa on 5 aug 1632.
>> 
>> Manoel Cesar Furtado
>> 
>> Em sexta-feira, 22 de janeiro de 2016 22:56:45 UTC-2, Mara escreveu:
>> Lagoa:  Dionisio Fragoso and Catarina de Revoredo.
>>  
>> 
>> On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 6:32 PM,  wrote:
>> Margaret, who is your Fragoso ancestor?
>> 
>> 
>> From: "Margaret Vicente" 
>> To: "azores" 
>> Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 1:01:51 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for any Fragoso descendants from Sao 
>> Miguel
>> 
>> Well, there might be something to the story as I descend from the Fragoso 
>> line of Lagoa, however two generations down the line one son carried on with 
>> the Fragoso name while my ancestor took on the name Meireles.  His son, was 
>> first married in Rabo de Peixe.  Linda mentions Madalena carried the name 
>> Meireles which makes me wonder if there is indeed a connection.  
>> 
>> On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 1:14 PM, JR  wrote:
>> Manuel de Andrade Fragoso married Maria Madalena do Rego Meireles/Meibeles? 
>> native of Rabo de Peixe, May 7- 1922. 
>> 
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1890-1899/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1890-1899_item1/P144.html
>> 
>> Rabo de Peixe casamentos- Nov 4- 1896, Jacintho d' Andrade com Escholastica 
>> de Jesus, dispensados, 4th degree collateral, 17 Oct, (1696?) elle idade de 
>> trinta sies annos , pescador, viuvo de Maria de Jesus, fallecida n'esta dita 
>> fraguesia d'onde e natural e seu pai e moradore e foi baptizado, filho de 
>> Francisco de Andrade e Maria Candida natural da fraguesia de NS da Conceicao 
>> dita Villa, e ella a nubente d' idade de vinte e nove annos domestica, 
>> solteira, natural e seus pais d'esta graguesia do Senhor Bom Jesus onde e 
>> moradora e foi baptizada, filha de Jose Vieira e Maria Izabel...Test- Jose 
>> d'Amaral lavrador, morador n'esta fraguesia e Joao Pacheco camponez morador 
>> na fraguesia do Cabouco...
>> 
>> On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 12:02:06 PM UTC-5, Linda McLellan wrote:
>> Thanks Cherri,  I will try to go back and do some more research
>> 
>> On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 11:13:20 AM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>> Linda McL,
>> 
>> You need to watch out for "family stories."  Sometimes, that is what they 
>> are - just stories. Usually told to amuse the kids (especially before radio 
>> and television). These kids grew up and became our parents or grandparents 
>> and retold the stories that they heard as children. And childhood memories 
>> can be funny things. No one wants to call grandma a liar, but if she is 
>> telling a story that she heard as a child, it may be just a story that was 
>> told to amuse her. Little kids are gullible and believe most things they are 
>> told.
>> 
>> Manuel's baptism had margin notes. Only 1 marriage was noted. I think it 
>> said he married in the 1920s. Those records are not online. I've seen margin 
>> notes where they noted the marriage, noted that the marriage was dissolved 
>> by death of the spouse and they married a 2nd time. Could someone have 
>> forgot to note a marriage? Well, they are human and humans make mistakes. 
>> But probably not. The only way to be sure would be to order Manuel's 
>> marriage from the 1920s and see if it says he was the widower of  
>> and is marrying Maria Cabral.
>> 
>> You need to go back to Manuel's parents' marriage - the marriage of Jacinto 
>> d'Andrade and Escolastica de Jesus. It's in Rabo de Peixe in

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for any Fragoso descendants from Sao Miguel

[Nancy Couto]

Dionísio Fragoso and Catarina de Revoredo are my 10th great-grandparents. I 
descend from their son Domingos, who married Barbara (or Maria) Curvelo on 21 
Feb 1628. I don't have information on any of their other children.

Nancy

Sent from my iPad

> On Jan 23, 2016, at 10:16 AM, mances  wrote:
> 
> Dionísio Fragoso and Catarina de Revoredo married in Matriz da Lagoa on 20 
> sep 1593 are my ancestors too.
> I descend from their daughter Ana Fragoso who married Francisco Pereira in 
> Matriz da Lagoa on 5 aug 1632.
> 
> Manoel Cesar Furtado
> 
> Em sexta-feira, 22 de janeiro de 2016 22:56:45 UTC-2, Mara escreveu:
>> 
>> Lagoa:  Dionisio Fragoso and Catarina de Revoredo.
>>  
>> 
>>> On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 6:32 PM,  wrote:
>>> Margaret, who is your Fragoso ancestor?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: "Margaret Vicente" 
>>> To: "azores" 
>>> Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 1:01:51 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for any Fragoso descendants from 
>>> Sao Miguel
>>> 
>>> Well, there might be something to the story as I descend from the Fragoso 
>>> line of Lagoa, however two generations down the line one son carried on 
>>> with the Fragoso name while my ancestor took on the name Meireles.  His 
>>> son, was first married in Rabo de Peixe.  Linda mentions Madalena carried 
>>> the name Meireles which makes me wonder if there is indeed a connection.  
>>> 
 On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 1:14 PM, JR  wrote:
 Manuel de Andrade Fragoso married Maria Madalena do Rego 
 Meireles/Meibeles? native of Rabo de Peixe, May 7- 1922. 
 
 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1890-1899/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1890-1899_item1/P144.html
 
 Rabo de Peixe casamentos- Nov 4- 1896, Jacintho d' Andrade com 
 Escholastica de Jesus, dispensados, 4th degree collateral, 17 Oct, (1696?) 
 elle idade de trinta sies annos , pescador, viuvo de Maria de Jesus, 
 fallecida n'esta dita fraguesia d'onde e natural e seu pai e moradore e 
 foi baptizado, filho de Francisco de Andrade e Maria Candida natural da 
 fraguesia de NS da Conceicao dita Villa, e ella a nubente d' idade de 
 vinte e nove annos domestica, solteira, natural e seus pais d'esta 
 graguesia do Senhor Bom Jesus onde e moradora e foi baptizada, filha de 
 Jose Vieira e Maria Izabel...Test- Jose d'Amaral lavrador, morador n'esta 
 fraguesia e Joao Pacheco camponez morador na fraguesia do Cabouco...
 
> On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 12:02:06 PM UTC-5, Linda McLellan wrote:
> Thanks Cherri,  I will try to go back and do some more research
> 
>> On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 11:13:20 AM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>> Linda McL,
>> 
>> You need to watch out for "family stories."  Sometimes, that is what 
>> they are - just stories. Usually told to amuse the kids (especially 
>> before radio and television). These kids grew up and became our parents 
>> or grandparents and retold the stories that they heard as children. And 
>> childhood memories can be funny things. No one wants to call grandma a 
>> liar, but if she is telling a story that she heard as a child, it may be 
>> just a story that was told to amuse her. Little kids are gullible and 
>> believe most things they are told.
>> 
>> Manuel's baptism had margin notes. Only 1 marriage was noted. I think it 
>> said he married in the 1920s. Those records are not online. I've seen 
>> margin notes where they noted the marriage, noted that the marriage was 
>> dissolved by death of the spouse and they married a 2nd time. Could 
>> someone have forgot to note a marriage? Well, they are human and humans 
>> make mistakes. But probably not. The only way to be sure would be to 
>> order Manuel's marriage from the 1920s and see if it says he was the 
>> widower of  and is marrying Maria Cabral.
>> 
>> You need to go back to Manuel's parents' marriage - the marriage of 
>> Jacinto d'Andrade and Escolastica de Jesus. It's in Rabo de Peixe in 
>> 1896. It's going to clarify some of your questions above and raise more.
>> 
>> 28 is not too old to get married. Many married when they were older in 
>> the Azores.
>> 
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das 
>> Tainhas, Achada
 
 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: MERRY CHRISTMAS!

[Nancy Couto]

Boas festas to all! May there be at least one Portuguese dish on your
holiday dinner table.

Nancy

On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 10:42 AM, 'Lillian Palko' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Special thanks to Cheri and JR without whom I wouldn't have a Portuguese
> Ancestry. God bless all the little helpers on this list and lets make 2016
> even better for others who are working on their Portuguese ancestry!
>
>
> On Sunday, December 20, 2015 at 9:02:50 AM UTC-8, dvc...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> A very Merry Christmas to each and every one of you on the Azores
>> Group!!
>>
>> You are an exceptional group of people who are more than willing to help
>> others.
>>
>> May God Bless you and your families.
>>
>> Merry Christmas and Happy New Year
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Passaporte Help Please

[Nancy Couto]

A cicatriz is a scar. I can't make out the other words, but whatever it is
it's on the left side.

On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 3:51 PM, linda  wrote:

> Best guess:
>
> tem uma cicatriz na () com (??) na () do lado esquerdo
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Jose Ferreira De Couto (born abt. 1920 in Acores/Azores, Portugal and died accidently either in 1956 or 57 in Montreal, Canada)

[Nancy Couto]

Kelley, do you know where on Sao Miguel (which freguesia) Jose was born? Where 
was Connie born?

Nancy



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> On Sep 9, 2015, at 10:47 PM, 'Kelley O'Rourke' via Azores Genealogy 
>  wrote:
> 
> I am helping Connie Couto search for her father, Jose Ferreira De Couto, who 
> came to Montreal, Canada in March 1954 from Acores/Azores by ship (Sao 
> Miguel) to work on a farm.  According to Connie, he came with a friend (she 
> cannot remember his friend’s name) and was on the first of two ships that 
> came to Canada.  He was one of the first of a group of Portuguese immigrants 
> to leave Acores/Azores.
> 
>  
> 
> The plan was, that he was to come to Montreal, Canada, work on a farm, set up 
> a home and then send for his wife, Erania Mediros De Couto who would follow 
> with their two daughters.  Sadly, he was killed in a hit and run accident 
> either in August of 1956 or 1957.  Subsequently his wife never made the trip 
> either (she died in a car accident in Acores/Azores and is buried there) but 
> his two daughters, Esrisanto and Connie emigrated in 1965 with their aunt.
> 
>  
> 
> They never found out where he was buried or what really happened to him.  
> They know it was in Montreal but do not know where.  Connie (she is now 62) 
> is the only remaining living family member and would love to know what really 
> happened to her father, Jose and where he is buried in Montreal so she may 
> visit his grave.  She would like to know as much about his (short-lived) life 
> here in Canada.  She now resides in Toronto with her family.
> 
>  
> 
> Any pictures or information you could provide would be most welcome.
> 
>  
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
>  
> 
> Kelley O’Rourke, 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Francisca Parreira 01/19/1880

[Nancy Couto]

Helen, thanks.  I have Vieira in my mother's paternal line and Perrier in
my father's maternal line, so who knows?  Maybe we'll sort everything out
someday.

Nancy


On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 6:48 PM, hisalv via Azores Genealogy <
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> Nancy
> I don't know if he has any Sao Miguel ancestors.  I have never research
> that island for any.  As for Joe's,  Salvador da Rocha, their GGrand
> parents were from Piedade, Pico.  The name was Domingos Vieira and
> Maria Pereira.  Records don't go back far enough to find anything about
> them.
> Helen S.
> Fremont, CA
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Francisca Parreira 01/19/1880

[Nancy Couto]

Doug, no I haven't found the link.  I was hoping maybe you or someone else
had.  I haven't done any research in Terceira records and am not familiar
with Forjaz's book. I was just raising the connection as a possibility,
since I match Joseph Salvador at the 5th-to-remote-cousin level on Family
Finder.  If I learn anything conclusive, I'll let you and Helen know.

Nancy


On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 11:18 PM,  wrote:

> Hi Nancy,
>
> I know Forjaz assumes the Rocha families of Terceira are descendants, but
> shows little to no proof of anything.
> It surely might be true, but are you saying you found the link between
> this Salvador and your 15th great grandfather? There are at least 5-7
> missing generations by my calculation.
>
>
>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joao Luiz Parreira Galante, Ribeirnha, Terceira, 1890s, - alcunha?

[Nancy Couto]

Sounds like an alcunha to me.  Galante means elegant, graceful, chivalrous.

Nancy


On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 10:44 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Repost for Anthony Martin, anthonyamartin77 at gmail.com
>
> Joao Louiz Parreira Galante located at:
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-RIBEIRINHA-B-1890-1899/TER-AH-RIBEIRINHA-B-1890-1899_item1/P18.html.
> Same situation. would 'Galante' be an alcunha, or a surname?
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Francisca Parreira 01/19/1880

[Nancy Couto]

Doug, is Salvador Machado da Rocha a descendant of Pedro Esteves Rocha e
Machado (or da Rocha Machado--I've seen it both ways) who was born in Viana
do Castelo and came to Sao Miguel by way of Madeira after committing a
murder in Portugal.  He was given land in Agua d'Alto, fertile land between
two volcanos, and he became very wealthy.  He is my 15th
great-grandfather.  I descend from his son Afonso Anes da Rocha Machado,
and I know I read somewhere, probably in Saudades da Terra, that his other
children went to other islands and were fruitful and multiplied.  At least
one son went to Terceira.

Helen, I have a Family Finder match with Joseph Antone Salvador at the 5th
to remote cousin level.  This could be the link.  I note that he has Bonito
and Couto on his list of surnames.  Bonito is the alcunha of my Couto
family.  Does Joseph have any links to Sao Miguel?

I have to get back to Gaspar Frutuoso and see what I can figure out.  My
reading knowledge of Portuguese is good enough for vital records and menus,
but Saudades da Terra is slow going.

Nancy


On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 8:22 PM,  wrote:

> Helen and Anthony,
>
> And there's more.
>
> Francisca married to her 2nd cousin, once removed and their common
> ancestors are Salvador Machado da Rocha, whose first name is the origin for
> your husband's surname! So not only is Francisca your cousin, but so is her
> husband. :-)
>
> One more thing I noticed at a glance. Anthony is related to another list
> member, Doreen Caetano Jungk by some common Canto ancestors from around the
> 1800 time frame. And I'm related to Doreen and to your husband.
>
> One could get dizzy from all that.
>
> Actually, I believe Anthony said these are his wife's ancestors.
>
> Doug da Rocha Holmes
> Sacramento, California
> Pico & Terceira Genealogist
> 916-550-1618
> www.dholmes.com
>
>
>   Original Message 
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Francisca Parreira 01/19/1880
> From: hisalv via Azores Genealogy 
> Date: Thu, October 02, 2014 4:23 pm
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
>
>   Antonio, After the name after Jose da Rocha Machado is Salvador, his
> wife is Maria da Esperanca. They are my husband's Great Grandparents.
>
> Helen Salvador
> Fremont, CA
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Anthony Martin 
> To: azores 
> Sent: Thu, Oct 2, 2014 11:40 am
> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Francisca Parreira 01/19/1880
>
>  On the bottom right of record 24 on page
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-RIBEIRINHA-B-1890-1899/TER-AH-RIBEIRINHA-B-1890-1899_item1/P9.html
>  shows
> the name Jose de Rocha, but I can't make out what it says immediately after
> the name. Also, entry number 2 in the margin appears to read that she died
> on 11/20/1960, but I can't quite make out the month. On the following page
> it shows that something happened on 06-25-1982, but I can't read the
> writing to make out what it says. I think it says that the birth record was
> requested on that date, but I'm not exactly sure.
>
>  Would someone be able to help with these records?
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Nicknames

[Nancy Couto]

Antonio, my Couto line, from Arrifes and Sao Roque, Sao Miguel, has Bonito
for an alcunha, and I've seen it in church records and on passenger lists.
 I've seen other families with the alcunha Feio, so I guess my family was
lucky.  My maternal grandmother's Frias family from Lagoa, Sao Miguel, has
the alcunha Malassada.

Another branch of my family was called Pingao.  I'm remembering this from
many, many years ago.  I was told the word meant squash, but my dictionary
suggests that it means a very large drop.  I suppose a squash resembles a
very large drop. Have you ever come across Pingao?

Nancy


On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 10:45 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> I have Viola as an alcunha.  Family stories differ slightly.  He either
> made the 6 string guitar (viola) or he played it.  Or who knows, maybe
> both!
>
> My ancestors are generally NOT recorded with the alcunha. Only on his
> death record it appears.  His daughter, not my direct ancestor, went back
> and forth between the Azores and America and used the alcunha.
>
> One of the violas that my direct ancestor made hangs on the wall of my 3rd
> cousin's home in Vila Franca!
>
> George Pacheco found an amusing alcunha while doing research for an
> client.  "Por Examplo" was the alcunha.  And it went on for something like
> 3 generations!  You can imagine the man who originated that alcunha.  He
> wanted to be sure his explanations were clear...so "por examplo" and he
> would probably explain in great detail!  LOL
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
> Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Mary sylvia

[Nancy Couto]

I believe this may be the Mary Sylvia you are researching, even though the
date of death is wrong.  It's a Find-a-Grave page, and the exact date
doesn't appear on the stone.

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=92415088

Nancy



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>  I found a funeral card while cleaning at my parents house in Rochester
> Mass. The card was for Mary Sylvia who died March 28 1978. The funeral home
> was Rock Funeral home in New Bedford. I am looking for information about
> her.
>
> Thanks
> Al Sequeira
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Naming of Expostos

[Nancy Couto]

Eça de Queirós is a very funny writer, although he tackles serious
subjects.  I think he was way ahead of his time.



On Sat, Aug 9, 2014 at 12:58 PM, MaryAnn Santos  wrote:

> The Relic is pretty funny!
>
> MaryAnn
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 9, 2014 at 12:52 PM, nancy jean baptiste <
> fishsongf...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks MaryAnn and Diane! I'm looking forward to reading his works.
>>
>> Nancy Jean
>>
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>> To: azores@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Naming of Expostos
>> Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2014 09:11:17 -0700
>>
>> You might also try searching at http://books.google.com. They have links
>> to sellers and a link to Worldcat to search for the books in libraries that
>> might be near you. Google also tells you if eBooks are available. Some
>> books have previews available.
>>
>>
>>
>> I suggest searching by the author’s name in this format "José Maria Eça
>> de Queirós" (with the quotes). I seemed to get more results that way even
>> for individual books. The results will include both English and Portuguese
>> versions.
>>
>>
>>
>> Diane George
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On
>> Behalf Of *MaryAnn Santos
>> *Sent:* Saturday, August 09, 2014 7:02 AM
>> *To:* azores@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Naming of Expostos
>>
>>
>>
>> Yes, there are in English translations.  Amazon has copies of *The Sin
>> of Father Amaro* ranging in price from $6.50 to $2,423.64!! I think that
>>  must be a typo.
>>
>>
>>
>> An english translation of *The Maias *by Queiroz came out a few years
>> ago and is another excellent read. I thoroughly enjoyed *The Relic, *too.
>> I read it first in English and then in Portuguese. Although I think it's
>> out of print now. Since I live in  NYC I buy a lot of used books at Strand.
>> They have great deals on hardcover new and used books (and paperbacks) and
>> you can buy them online. Here's the link.
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.strandbooks.com/
>>
>>
>>
>> MaryAnn
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 9, 2014 at 9:37 AM, nancy jean baptiste <
>> fishsongf...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> MaryAnn,
>>
>> Are these books available in English? Do you know how many he has written?
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Nancy
>>
>> --
>>
>> From: m...@nyu.edu
>> Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2014 14:07:21 -0400
>> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Naming of Expostos
>> To: azores@googlegroups.com
>>
>> Thank you, John. I had forgotten about Father Amara and as an aside, *The
>> Sins of Father Amaro* is an excellent read - as are all of the Queiroz
>> books I've read.
>>
>>
>>
>> MaryAnn
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 1:16 PM, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy <
>> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>> In my researching experience, I have noted the following:
>>
>>
>>
>> When people from the villages went to the convents in Ponta Delgada and
>> Ribeira Grande to have foundling babies placed with them, there was not,
>> necessarily, a connection between the foster parent and the baby.
>>
>>
>>
>> As for the villages, if an unmarried (or widowed) woman was pregnant, I
>> think that in such small places where everybody knew everybody else, I
>> doubt that the pregnancy could go unnoticed. And, the parish priest, who
>> heard confessions at a time when people really worried about what would
>> happen if they died in a state of mortal sin, must have known what his
>> penitents were up to. I think that when a baby was left at somebody's door
>> in a small village, everybody knew, or thought they knew, who the mother
>> (and maybe the father) were. Sometimes these children might have been left
>> at the doors of relatives, but they would have required a nursemaid, i.e.a
>> woman with breast milk.
>>
>>
>>
>> As for names, again, there is no one answer. Babies who were placed with
>> and stayed with the same family to adulthood (as opposed to being shipped
>> out as servants from family to family) sometimes took the family name.
>> Sometimes an "*exposto*" took a name, e.g. Bettencourt, with no apparent
>> rime or reason. However, a closer look shows that the Bettencourts were a
>> prominent family in the village and perhaps it was an open secret that this
>> baby was the offspring of the squire's son (or daughter).
>>
>>
>>
>> Infant mortality for *expostos *was much higher than among non-*exposto 
>> *babies.
>> The state paid a stipend for the first few months of life for babies placed
>> with nursing foster-mothers. When the subsidy stopped, the infant mortality
>> rate rose substantially.
>>
>>
>>
>> Eça de Queiroz touched on this subject in his novel *O Crime do Padre
>> Amaro; *one of the characters made her living by taking in
>> unwanted/illegitimate babies of the socially promminent and arranging for
>> their deaths. Eloise Cadinha, a member of the List, sent me her notes on
>> this subject, and with my thanks to Eloise, I am enclose them:
>>
>>
>>
>>

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Posting Family Tree on Family Tree DNA

[Nancy Couto]

My GEDCOM is posted on Family Tree DNA, but, like Seekgene, I had a lot of
difficulty.  My particular problem is that I have more than one name for
many of the individuals in my tree--Portuguese names, American names,
middle names, religious names, nicknames, etc.  I thought the GEDCOM would
pick up the preferred name in each instance, but apparently (and I
researched this at the time) the GEDCOM process is not sophisticated enough
to do that, and the result is totally random.

Here's an example:  When I first started researching I couldn't find my
father's name on a ship's list, even though I knew the year he had
immigrated and the name of the ship.  I finally found it by searching on
the Portuguese version of his first name, Eduardo, for that ship and that
year.  It turned out that my father, his mother, and all his siblings were
listed under the surname "Oosto." And it was a typed list, but obviously
the keys needed cleaning and the indexer was in a hurry.  I kept that
alternate name in my database, because if I ever wanted to find that list
again I would need to search under "Oosto."  Well, when I made my GEDCOM my
father's name appeared as "Eduardo Oosto."

Since I didn't want to remove all the alternate names from my database, my
solution was to create a new file specifically for the GEDCOM, and that
involved a lot of editing.  And I can't easily update my GEDCOM without
doing a lot more editing.  The fault is in the way GEDCOMs work, not in our
stars.

Nancy

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Language after bride's occupation

[Nancy Couto]

Shirley, Here's the best I can do.  The article is from Diario de Noticias,
3 Apr. 1944.  When I tried to copy the link, all I got was the link to
ArcaSearch.  So I saved it as a pdf file.  I don't know why you couldn't
open it, but I was able to copy the text of the article and save it to a
Word file and then copy and paste it.  Here it is (with messed up
formatting but still legible).

OBITUÁRIO



MANUEL T. DE MELLO

Faleceu ontem, na sua residência,

139 Earle street, o sr. Manuel T. de

Mello, viuvo de Maria Silva de Mello,

falecida ha mais de 20 anos nesta

cidade.

. O sr. Manuel de Mello nasceu na

freguesia da Ribeira das Tainhas,

concelho de Vila Franca do Campo,

ilha de São Miguel, donde veiu para

os Estados Unidos ha 52 anos.

Foi empregado da firma Híram

Wheaton & Sons Inc., durante bastantes

anos e depois empregou-se

numa fabrica como operador do

ascensor, tendo-se retirado á vida

particular ha 22 anos.

O sr. Mello, se fosse vivo, completaria

os seus 80 anos no próximo

mez de Maio. i

Era paroquiano da igreja da Imaculada

Conceição.

Deixa cinco filhas, Mrs. Maria

Amaral, viuva de José Amaral, Mrs.

Silvana Medeiros, Mrs. Hortense

Couto e Misses Beatriz c Palmira de

Mello, uma irmã sra. Perpetua Medeiros

e seis netos.

O finado era sogro do sr. Manuel

A. Medeiros, residente em 139 Earle

street.

O funeral, a cargo da agencia Frederico

P. Macedo Sucessores, 263

Philips avenue, realiza-se na quarta

ta-íeira, pelas 8.15 da sua residência

para a igreja da Imaculada Conceição,

onde haverá ás 9 horas missa

cantada de "requiem".

O cadáver será sepultado no lote

da íamilia no cemitério de São João.

​The brother is Manuel de Mello, born in Ribeira das Tainhas.  He leaves
five daughters, Mrs. Maria Amaral, widow of Jose Amaral, Mrs. Silvana
Medeiros, Mrs. Hortense Couto and Misses Beatriz and Palmira de Mello, a
sister Sra. Perpetua Medeiros, and six grandchildren.  The deceased is the
father-in-law of Mr. Manuel A. Medeiros, resident of 139 Earle St.

I think this is the right family, although I can't figure out all the
relationships.

Nancy

P.S.  I notice that Cheri has already posted to confirm the relationship.



On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 11:48 AM, Shirley Allegre 
wrote:

>  Nancy:  Which brother?  (My PC wouldn't open the attachment.)  Name,
> Where, Date.
>
> ThanksShirley in CA
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Nancy Couto 
> *To:* azores@googlegroups.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 24, 2014 8:10 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Language after bride's occupation
>
>  Cheri,
>
> I did a quick search of Diario de Noticias to see if I could find
> Perpetua's obituary.  I didn't find it, but I did find what looks like her
> brother's obituary.  I'm attaching the page.  It's in the middle, under the
> photo, titled Obituario.
>
> Nancy
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Poss. new connection on the Pacheco Rezendes/Remigio line to Canada and Brasil

[Nancy Couto]

Eliseu,


   - António Gonçalves, dos Poços das Capelas *(1 Family link)*
   - Luzia Vieira *(1 Family link)*

These people are my 12th great-grandparents.  I descend from their son
Sebastião Vieira da Rocha.  We match on Family Finder at the 4th to remote
cousin level.  Antonio and Luzia may be our most recent common ancestors,
although they are pretty far back.

Email me privately if you want to compare notes.

Nancy

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Manoel Pacheco de Sousa and Catarina de Sa--marriage in Rosario, Lagoa, ties to Santa Maria

[Nancy Couto]

Manoel,

Thanks so much for taking the time to do this and for your sharp eyesight.
 You've given me exactly the information I needed.  Since you read
"natural" instead of "naturaes," the word appears to refer to Manoel, who
must also have been born in Santa Maria.  This is new information for me.
 Now to tackle the Santa Maria records.

Thanks again.

Nancy



On Sat, Jul 12, 2014 at 10:39 AM, mances  wrote:

> Nancy,
>
> ... Manuel Pacheco de Sousa filho de Antonio Ferreira do Couto e de sua
> mulher Catarina Velha (Velho), natural da freguesia de Nossa Senhora da
> Assunção da ilha de Santa Maria, e morador na Ribeira Seca freguesia de São
> Pedro da Vila da Ribeira Grande...
>
> Manoel
>
> Em sábado, 12 de julho de 2014 00h15min35s UTC-3, NancyC escreveu:
>
>> Hi, everyone,
>>
>> I'm having a real problem deciphering this Casamento from 1718,
>> particularly the first nine lines.  Here's what I come up with:
>>
>> On the twenty-first day of the month of December of one thousand seven
>> hundred and eighteen  in the afternoon  Nossa Senhora de
>> Rosario da Villa da Lagoa  Manoel Pacheco  son of
>> Antonio Ferreira de Catarina
>>
>> Ermida?
>>
>> living in Ribeira Seca freguesia of Sao Pedro of the Villa of Ribeira
>> Grande with
>>
>> Donna Catarina de Saa daughter of Joao Camelo and of his wife Donna
>> Barbara de Saa natural of the place Fenais de Vera Cruz freguesia of Reis
>> Magos and living in our ditto freguesia
>>
>> freguesia of Sao Pedro of the Villa of Ribeira Grande
>>
>> The URL is http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
>> LG-ROSARIO-C-1716-1745/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-C-1716-1745_item1/P32.html.  The
>> marriage is the only one on page Rosário, Casamentos 1716-1745 > 0031.
>>
>> I'm attaching a file with the information I already had.  I have no doubt
>> this is the correct document.  I was hoping to find information about
>> Antonio Ferreira Couto's origins on Santa Maria and to learn whether
>> Catarina Velho was also from Santa Maria, but if this information is in the
>> document I just can't make it out.  ANY help will be appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks so much for looking at this.
>>
>> Nancy
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Cabral Family Armorial

[Nancy Couto]

Hi, Matt,

This is weird, but I think I may know your mother.  Are you related to
Esmeralda, who also lives in Vancouver but is spending the semester in
Costa da Caparica, Portugal?  I met her a couple of years ago at Disquiet.
 I know her family is from Lagoa.  If she is your mother, she's your first,
best resource, and she's probably already given you a wealth of information
about your ancestors.

Here's a link to a website that you may or may not find useful:

http://www.cabralgenealogy.org/index.php

Most of the Cabrals listed here are in Arrifes, but not all of them.
 (Arrifes and Lagoa are not too far apart.)  The woman who put this
together is an experienced researcher, and she's collected an amazing
amount of information. The Couto branch of my family is from Arrifes, so
I've found the site especially helpful.

Good luck in your search, and, if Esmeralda is your mother, please say hi
to her from me.

Nancy Couto

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Cuba

[Nancy Couto]

Doug, I'm sure the weather in Mexico is very nice, but the Azores are
beautiful, and I don't think families would pack up and leave just for a
warmer climate.  I believe the fact that some of my DNA cousins have
ancestors who lived in Nuevo Leon could be significant.  Check out this
Wikipedia article (third paragraph under Colonial period):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaism_in_Mexico

Nancy

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Cuba

[Nancy Couto]

My brother's few Y-DNA matches are mostly in Mexico, with one from
Argentina, one in France (I think), and only one from the Azores.  He is
G2a.  We have Family Finder matches from Mexico (with Nuevo Leon turning up
more than once), Puerto Rico, Spain, and the Canary Islands.  These matches
are mostly at the distant-cousin level.  I think it's not inconceivable
that the common ancestors could go back as far as the Inquisition.  I also
suspect we might have ancestors from Galicia, which is in Spain but was
once part of Portugal.  The people there still speak a language that is
very similar to Portuguese.

Nancy

P.S.  All four of our grandparents were born in the Azores.


On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 11:21 AM,  wrote:

> Funny you mention that.
> My 2nd cousin h as a mother born in Cuba, but all her ancestry is from the
> Canary Islands.
> He also has some matches to some with Azores ancestry.
>
> Doug da Rocha Holmes
> Sacramento, California
> Pico & Terceira Genealogist
> 916-550-1618
> www.dholmes.com
>
>
>   Original Message 
> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Cuba
> From: nancy jean baptiste 
> Date: Wed, March 05, 2014 9:02 am
> To: azores group 
>
> Greetings Group,
>
> My brother has a strong DNA (E-M35.1) match in Cuba.  I'm curious if many
> Azorean people went to Cuba? Did whaling ships stop there?
>
> Thanks,
> Nancy Jean Baptista
> Pico, Sao Jorge, Santa Maria
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Archive search site posted by Joao Ventura

[Nancy Couto]

Rosemarie, the link that Joao provided is  http://www.arquivos.
azores.gov.pt/ <http://www.arquivos.azores.gov.pt/details?id=1019364>.  It
doesn't seem to be working right now, however.  I hope this is just a
temporary problem.

Nancy




On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 6:19 PM, rcapodc  wrote:

>   Nancy,
>
> would you send the bookmark to the list? I have tried to find where that
> info is stored on the Tombo site and I can't find it! Thanks, Rosemarie
>
>  *From:* Nancy Couto 
> *Sent:* Monday, February 03, 2014 2:55 PM
> *To:* azores@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Archive search site posted by Joao
> Ventura
>
>  Hi, Joao,
>
> Thanks for getting back to me.  I guess if I had clicked one more time I
> would have seen that she was headed for North America.  This record allowed
> me to find Maria da Luz on the Passaportes list and to find her marriage
> record.  I already knew her husband's name but didn't know she had a son
> named Jose.  That's pretty good for a great-aunt that I had very little
> information on.  I've bookmarked the page and will use this tool often.
>
> Thanks again,
> Nancy
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 1:40 PM, João Ventura  wrote:
>
>> Hi Nancy,
>>
>> I didn't even know they'd inserted the passport info at record level.
>> Well spotted :)
>>
>> I use it mostly to check what books should still show up, as that site is
>> the archive's catalog. The text appears repeated, but the part you may have
>> stumbled:
>> "Embarcação: S/indicação, barca. Destino: América, pela ilha do Faial"
>> translates to "Boat: no information, barge. Destination: [North] America,
>> through Faial".
>>
>> João Ventura
>> http://tombo.pt
>>
>> On Monday, 3 February 2014 17:59:14 UTC+1, NancyC wrote:
>>>
>>>  Dear Joao and everyone,
>>>
>>> I tried the tool and have some questions about it.  I did a simple
>>> search to test it out, thinking I was searching in Sao Roque baptisms, and
>>> found the following useful information about my great-aunt.
>>>
>>>  MARIA DA LUZ. <http://www.arquivos.azores.gov.pt/details?id=1114063>
>>> Record not reviewed.
>>> Filiação: João do Couto e Margarida Júlia. Idade: 29 anos. Estado:
>>> Casada. Profissão: Doméstica. Naturalidade: Ponta Delgada. Arrifes.
>>> Acompanhantes: Seu filho, José, de 3 anos. Embarcação: S/indicaçã ...
>>>  Dates1880-12-24 -
>>> Complete referencePT/BPARPD/ACD/GCPDL/P/001/03066
>>> Physical locationLv-1385-Nº 1027-1880
>>>
>>> This is definitely my great-aunt, and with the information about the age
>>> of her son I was able to find her marriage record on the CCA site.  But I
>>> don't understand the part after Jose's age.  Does the "S" indicate that she
>>> left from Sao Miguel?  (At first I thought it might refer to "Sandwich.")
>>> And does the 1880-12-24 date refer to the date she embarked or the first
>>> date in a long set of records?  She would have been 29 in 1880.  I haven't
>>> yet found Jose's birth record.
>>>
>>> The search I did seemed to bring up mostly emigration records from all
>>> over Sao Miguel, and not just restricted to the time frame I selected.
>>> This tool looks as if it could be very helpful, but I'm not sure I'm using
>>> it properly.
>>>
>>> Thanks for any help I can get with this.
>>>
>>> Nancy
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Archive search site posted by Joao Ventura

[Nancy Couto]

Hi, Joao,

Thanks for getting back to me.  I guess if I had clicked one more time I
would have seen that she was headed for North America.  This record allowed
me to find Maria da Luz on the Passaportes list and to find her marriage
record.  I already knew her husband's name but didn't know she had a son
named Jose.  That's pretty good for a great-aunt that I had very little
information on.  I've bookmarked the page and will use this tool often.

Thanks again,
Nancy




On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 1:40 PM, João Ventura  wrote:

> Hi Nancy,
>
> I didn't even know they'd inserted the passport info at record level. Well
> spotted :)
>
> I use it mostly to check what books should still show up, as that site is
> the archive's catalog. The text appears repeated, but the part you may have
> stumbled:
> "Embarcação: S/indicação, barca. Destino: América, pela ilha do Faial"
> translates to "Boat: no information, barge. Destination: [North] America,
> through Faial".
>
> João Ventura
> http://tombo.pt
>
> On Monday, 3 February 2014 17:59:14 UTC+1, NancyC wrote:
>>
>> Dear Joao and everyone,
>>
>> I tried the tool and have some questions about it.  I did a simple search
>> to test it out, thinking I was searching in Sao Roque baptisms, and found
>> the following useful information about my great-aunt.
>>
>> MARIA DA LUZ. 
>> Record not reviewed.
>> Filiação: João do Couto e Margarida Júlia. Idade: 29 anos. Estado:
>> Casada. Profissão: Doméstica. Naturalidade: Ponta Delgada. Arrifes.
>> Acompanhantes: Seu filho, José, de 3 anos. Embarcação: S/indicaçã ...
>> Dates1880-12-24 -
>> Complete referencePT/BPARPD/ACD/GCPDL/P/001/03066
>> Physical locationLv-1385-Nº 1027-1880
>>
>> This is definitely my great-aunt, and with the information about the age
>> of her son I was able to find her marriage record on the CCA site.  But I
>> don't understand the part after Jose's age.  Does the "S" indicate that she
>> left from Sao Miguel?  (At first I thought it might refer to "Sandwich.")
>>  And does the 1880-12-24 date refer to the date she embarked or the first
>> date in a long set of records?  She would have been 29 in 1880.  I haven't
>> yet found Jose's birth record.
>>
>> The search I did seemed to bring up mostly emigration records from all
>> over Sao Miguel, and not just restricted to the time frame I selected.
>>  This tool looks as if it could be very helpful, but I'm not sure I'm using
>> it properly.
>>
>> Thanks for any help I can get with this.
>>
>> Nancy
>>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Archive search site posted by Joao Ventura

[Nancy Couto]

Dear Joao and everyone,

I tried the tool and have some questions about it.  I did a simple search
to test it out, thinking I was searching in Sao Roque baptisms, and found
the following useful information about my great-aunt.

MARIA DA LUZ. 
Record not reviewed.
Filiação: João do Couto e Margarida Júlia. Idade: 29 anos. Estado: Casada.
Profissão: Doméstica. Naturalidade: Ponta Delgada. Arrifes. Acompanhantes:
Seu filho, José, de 3 anos. Embarcação: S/indicaçã ...
Dates1880-12-24 -
Complete referencePT/BPARPD/ACD/GCPDL/P/001/03066
Physical locationLv-1385-Nº 1027-1880

This is definitely my great-aunt, and with the information about the age of
her son I was able to find her marriage record on the CCA site.  But I
don't understand the part after Jose's age.  Does the "S" indicate that she
left from Sao Miguel?  (At first I thought it might refer to "Sandwich.")
 And does the 1880-12-24 date refer to the date she embarked or the first
date in a long set of records?  She would have been 29 in 1880.  I haven't
yet found Jose's birth record.

The search I did seemed to bring up mostly emigration records from all over
Sao Miguel, and not just restricted to the time frame I selected.  This
tool looks as if it could be very helpful, but I'm not sure I'm using it
properly.

Thanks for any help I can get with this.

Nancy

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on occupation of padrinho

[Nancy Couto]

My Collins Portuguese-English Dictionary, which I have on my iPhone,
 translates escrevente as clerk, and that agrees with Hermano's definition.


Nancy


On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 5:46 PM, Maria Lima  wrote:

> Thank you Hermano.   That makes sense about the Notario.  I will keep in
> mind to look for the combined names like you said.  Yes, genealogy is
> great!!
>
> Maria Elena
>
> On Jan 16, 2014, at 4:32 PM, "Hermano C. Pires" 
> wrote:
>
> Hello Maria Lima
> I can't speculate that he may have been anything else other than a clerck.
> If he had been a Notary at the time, he would have been mentioned as such
> because a notary held highier regard.
> As for your questions on Dias and Pereira, if you persue them I would
> suggest that you search for them as "Machado Dias" and "Pereira Machado" to
> avoid confusion.
> And to find as they might relate you pretty well have to develope a family
> tree for both untill you find the common ancestor, if in reality there is
> one.
> Isn't genealogy fun? :))
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> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on occupation of padrinho
> From: maria.lima...@gmail.com
> Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 13:55:44 -0600
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
>
> Thank you, Hermano:
>
> Could he have been a notary?  If so, then might the priest would have
> said, Notario(?).  In any case, I'm beginning to see that these two
> godfathers had a major influence in the higher education of Domingos Moniz
> Machado, my husband's grandfather. For one thing, the father of the
> youngest child, died just before the child was born.  The godfather of that
> child was a negociante (businessman??)  Some of the children were named
> after them I believe:   Domingos Pereira Machado and Manoel Pereira
> Machado.  I need to track them to see if they were brothers of the mother,
> Emilia or maybe brothers of Emilia's father, name Joaquim Machado Dias.  I
> just don't know now how Pereira fits in .  Now I have two totally new names
>  in The tree:  Dias and Pereira.
>
>   I'm curious to see how they tied in to the mother, Emilia Moniz machado.
>  The more answers I get, the more research I need to do.  Thank you
>
> Maria Elena
>
> On Jan 16, 2014, at 1:41 PM, "Hermano C. Pires" 
> wrote:
>
> Maria Lima
>
> For that time period I would think that "escrevente" means that
> Domingos was a clerck in an office of some sort, possibly ? in legal
> matters.
>
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> Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 09:22:34 -0800
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on occupation of padrinho
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
>
> Could he have been a typesetter?  Maybe he worked in a print shop, or for
> the newspaper setting the print?  Or for a book maker setting the print?
> Would that also be an escrevente?
>
> Cheri Mello
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> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
> Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Pimentels

[Nancy Couto]

Hi, Joe,

I have him simply as Manuel Vieira in my tree, but he's definitely a Galvao.  
So you are also descended from Duarte Galvao.  He's one of my favorite 
ancestors.

Nancy



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> On Dec 28, 2013, at 4:39 AM, Joe Matias  wrote:
> 
> Hi Nancy,I'm also a  descendant of Eva Lopes and Alvaro
> Lopes,their son Manuel Vieira Galvão.
> 
> 
>> On Thu, Dec 26, 2013 at 4:08 PM, Nancy Couto  wrote:
>> Hi, Manoel,
>> 
>> I guess that makes Mecia Afonso (the mother) our common ancestor.  I
>> descend from Eva Lopes, daughter of Mecia (the daughter) and Alvaro
>> Lopes.  It's good to find a new cousin.
>> 
>> Nancy
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, Dec 26, 2013 at 2:00 PM, mances  wrote:
>> > Hi Nancy,
>> >
>> > I also descend from Pedro Esteves da Rocha Machado through his grandson
>> > Pedro Afonso da Rocha m. to Margarida Afonso.
>> >
>> > I descend from two children of Pedro and Margarida: Duarte Pires da Rocha
>> > and Isabel Pires.
>> >
>> >
>> > Manoel Cesar Furtado
>> >
>> > Em quinta-feira, 26 de dezembro de 2013 15h41min17s UTC-2, NancyC escreveu:
>> >>
>> >> Hi, Eliseu.
>> >>
>> >> I'm attaching a report on the descendants of Pedro Esteves Rocha e
>> >> Machado, my infamous 17th great-grandfather.  His name is sometimes
>> >> written as Pedro Esteves da Rocha Machado.  He appears to be the head
>> >> of the Villa Franca do Campo branch of my ancestors.  He must have had
>> >> connections in high places, because when he arrived on Sao Miguel he
>> >> was given fertile land between two volcanoes on the beach at Agua
>> >> d'Alto.  He was an ancestor on my Pereira line.  My Frias ancestors
>> >> were mostly from Rosario, Lagoa, which is not far away.
>> >>
>> >> Do these names ring any bells?
>> >>
>> >> Nancy
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Dec 26, 2013 at 10:45 AM, Eliseu Pacheco da Silva
>> >>  wrote:
>> >> > Hi Nancy!
>> >> >
>> >> > Do you have any FRIAS from Água d'Alto, Vila Franca do Campo?
>> >> >
>> >> > Eliseu
>> >> >
>> >
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Pimentels

[Nancy Couto]

Hi, Andy,

Yes, we are definitely cousins.  Our common ancestor appears to be Jose de 
Frias Bode, although I am descended from his son Francisco from his second 
marriage to Barbara da Purificacao.  I will be traveling for the next couple of 
days and won't have access to the records on my computer, but I'll send more 
information when I return.

I already knew the various possible meanings of Bode.  The name does seem to be 
confined to a short time period.  My great-grandfather Manoel de Frias and his 
family were known as Malassada.  

I kniw you have at least one other cousin in this group.   If my memory is 
correct, Hermano Pires is also descended from Jose de Frias Bode.  

Best wishes from your prima,
Nancy



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> Hi Nancy - Well, it looks like we are indeed cousins! I am attaching my 
> Rosario Lagoa Pimentel line, which is clearly the same as yours. I have 
> always suspected that the "Bodé" of Frias Bodé was a short-lived nickname 
> assigned to (or taken on by) some members of the family for a generation or 
> two. 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Pimentels

[Nancy Couto]

Hi, Manoel,

I guess that makes Mecia Afonso (the mother) our common ancestor.  I
descend from Eva Lopes, daughter of Mecia (the daughter) and Alvaro
Lopes.  It's good to find a new cousin.

Nancy


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> Hi Nancy,
>
> I also descend from Pedro Esteves da Rocha Machado through his grandson
> Pedro Afonso da Rocha m. to Margarida Afonso.
>
> I descend from two children of Pedro and Margarida: Duarte Pires da Rocha
> and Isabel Pires.
>
>
> Manoel Cesar Furtado
>
> Em quinta-feira, 26 de dezembro de 2013 15h41min17s UTC-2, NancyC escreveu:
>>
>> Hi, Eliseu.
>>
>> I'm attaching a report on the descendants of Pedro Esteves Rocha e
>> Machado, my infamous 17th great-grandfather.  His name is sometimes
>> written as Pedro Esteves da Rocha Machado.  He appears to be the head
>> of the Villa Franca do Campo branch of my ancestors.  He must have had
>> connections in high places, because when he arrived on Sao Miguel he
>> was given fertile land between two volcanoes on the beach at Agua
>> d'Alto.  He was an ancestor on my Pereira line.  My Frias ancestors
>> were mostly from Rosario, Lagoa, which is not far away.
>>
>> Do these names ring any bells?
>>
>> Nancy
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 26, 2013 at 10:45 AM, Eliseu Pacheco da Silva
>>  wrote:
>> > Hi Nancy!
>> >
>> > Do you have any FRIAS from Água d'Alto, Vila Franca do Campo?
>> >
>> > Eliseu
>> >
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Feliz Natal / Boas Festas / Merry Christmas 2013 thread

[Nancy Couto]

Boas festas to all my Azorean cousins.

Nancy

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[AZORES-Genealogy]. New Study--Percentage of Jewish ancestry among Iberian population

[Nancy Couto]

This appears to be a new study based on Y-DNA, but the findings are hardly 
surprising.  
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/04/world/europe/04iht-gene.4.18411385.html?src=tp&_r=0

Nancy

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] CCA site error?

[Nancy Couto]

I had not had problems with the site until just now, when I tried to access
baptismos in Sao Jose, Ponta Delgada.  It appears that all, or most, of the
Sao Jose records are inaccessible.

I am able to get into Arrifes and Relva with no problem.  So it looks to me
as if only some of the records are inaccessible.  I'm hoping this is a
temporary situation.  And I'm also hoping that they add the remaining Ponta
Delgada freguesias soon.

Pam, if you can't get into the site at all, you might try unplugging your
router and modem and plugging them in again after about five minutes.

Nancy




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> I am on a PC, using Firefox, and I'm accessing it from California.  I just
> accessed baptisms in S.Miguel, Terceira, and Flores.  No problems, no
> errors.  So it's not the CCA site.  Try clearing the cache, cookies, and
> whatever else.  Try a different browser (Firefox is working for me).  The
> site is working.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] CCA site error?

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I just accessed the site on my iPhone using Safari.  Got into Sao Jose, Ponta 
Delgada, baptismos.  Earlier today I accessed the site on my laptop using 
Firefox.  I used the same bookmark I always use.

Nancy



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> On Oct 18, 2013, at 3:13 PM, Pam Santos  wrote:
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> can someone send me a link. I am still getting an error on IE and Google
> 
> 
>> On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 11:29 AM, Tish M  wrote:
>> Logged in California, Oct 18th 11:29 AM. Used Safari, no problems.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Friday, October 18, 2013, Jose A Medeiros wrote:
>>> Logging on OK, using IE and Windows 7
>>> 
 On Friday, 18 October 2013 10:31:48 UTC-4, Pam Santos wrote:
 Is anyone else getting an error message when accessing the site?
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: FTDNA Conference - suggestions and stuff

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I don't want to be the only objector, but I do have some reservations about
suggestion #1.  When I saw that FTDNA was showing Population Finder results
for all matches, my first reaction was surprise; I felt FTDNA should not
have released this information without some sort of opt-in mechanism.  On
the other hand, I enjoyed playing around with the populations bar, and I
have no objection to my own information being shown.  Here's my
reservation:  I'm already frustrated with the number of people who post no
information at all about ancestors or family surnames.  If they're just too
busy, or if they don't know how to post a GEDCOM--or if they're adopted and
don't have the information--that's one thing, but I suspect some of them
want to look and don't want to share.  I'm afraid that the inclusion of
this information, which is apparently perceived as very personal, even on
an opt-in basis, might result in people holding back and refusing to share
any information at all, or even refusing to take the tests in the first
place.

What I wouldn't mind seeing is a more complicated opt-in mechanism that
would allow one's Population Finder information to be visible only to those
other matches who also opted in.  But that's probably too much to ask.

Anyway, those are my thoughts, and I don't expect everyone to agree.  And
I'll admit I'll be happy if the Population Finder bar comes back.

Nancy




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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Livramento Marriages 1833-1860 Missing Pages

[Nancy Couto]

Lee, before 1833/1834 or so, Livramento was part of the freguesia of Sao
Roque (Rosto do Cao).  You can find the earlier records there, starting at
about 1600.  Sao Roque is third in line to be added to the Ponta Delgada
records, and I'm crossing my fingers that the CCA adds them soon.  A lot of
my ancestors came from there.

Good luck with your search.

Nancy




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> Thank you Joao - now I'm not sure what I was looking at last night!  Must
> have been too late for me..lol
>
> I found the marriage I was looking for (which turned not to be the right
> couple) on the back sideo of page 77.  Guess I'll have to keep
> looking...I've gone through a 20+ year span and nothing for the coule I'm
> look for yet (their son ws bonr in 1853 (have his birth record, so kow the
> grandparents name, etc.)
>
> It's too badk that the records for Livramento only go back to 1833/1834.
> I need to go further back then that.
>
> Again, Thanks!
>
> PS - Although, I do have one little thing as a defenseI'm legally
> blind, so may have just completly missed the page numbers!
>
> Lee.
>
> On Wednesday, October 9, 2013 12:55:13 PM UTC-4, João Ventura wrote:
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>>  Hi Lee,
>>
>> Page 77 is there: http://culturacores.**azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_**
>> digital/SMG-PD-LIVRAMENTO-C-**1834-1860/SMG-PD-LIVRAMENTO-C-**
>> 1834-1860_item1/P83.html
>>
>> Or am I missing something?
>>
>> João C. Ventura
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 9, 2013 6:24:19 PM UTC+2, Lee wrote:
>>>
>>>  While going through the marriages of Livramento 1833-1860 last nigh I
>>> discovered that the following pages are missing:
>>>
>>> 74, 75, 76, 77 and 78 and then picks up with page 79 again.
>>>
>>> And with my ususal bad luck, it turns out the page I needed was page 77!
>>>
>>> Just wanteed to make everyone aware of the missing pages.
>>>
>>> Also, could it be possible that they were missed during the filming,
>>> etc.  These pages are just about in the middle of the book.
>>>
>>> Lee E., WV
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] new look for Family Finder results

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Well, in spite of all its advantages, the new format isn't exactly intuitive.  
A glass of wine might be helpful.

Nancy

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] new look for Family Finder results

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Cheri, are you searching for people by name and then trying to
triangulate?  If you do that, you are setting a filter so that only those
with the same surname will be included in the "in common with" list.  If
that's what you're doing, be sure to delete the name before hitting the
triangulate button.  That's probably what's happening.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] new look for Family Finder results

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Hit the little triangle to the left right under your match's listing, and a new 
section will open up giving you the option to triangulate.  You will then 
choose either "in common with" or "not in common with."  You can also see the 
match's Y-DNA and mtDNA haplogroups, if they are available.  The only thing 
missing is the list of projects.  It's a lot of fun once you get used to the 
new format.

Nancy



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> Last night I was looking at the Family Finder page and it was the same as 
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> This afternoon, it was completely changed.
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> There are some new things that I like, such as the bar showing the 
> percentages for ethnicity for each of your matches.
> 
> But I still can't find the "in common with" feature. It seems to be removed.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family tree

[Nancy Couto]

Gary, have you had any contact with your half brother David Pimentel?  I
don't know what sort of family dynamic you're dealing with, but because he
is older he may remember valuable details about your father's history, the
sort of information you wouldn't be able to get from public records.  As an
emeritus professor, he probably keeps irregular hours, but you might be
able to reach him easily by email.  Here is his contact information,
according to the Cornell website:
http://www.cornell.edu/search/?tab=people&netid=dp18&q=Pimentel

I live in Ithaca and have heard of Professor Pimentel, but I don't know
him.  I wish you luck in your search.

Nancy




On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 8:57 PM, "E" Sharp  wrote:

> There is a WWI record for a Francisco F. Pimentel b. January 30, 1897,
> lived in Fowler CA.  Born in Flores.  Says he is a US citizen by his father
> Antone F. Pimental, Jr.  If he is the Francisco F. Pimentel who died in
> 1963 in Sanger, his mother's maiden name is listed as Denascim???
>
> Let me know if I am on the right track.
>
> "E"
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 5:44 PM, "E" Sharp  wrote:
>
>> Gary P.
>>
>> Could this be him? It says he is coming from Fajazinha, Flores.  Going to
>> Fresno, CA.  It looks like the person listed just before him Alberto L.
>> Coelho 17, is going to his Aunt and Uncle Anna Pimentel there is a ditto
>> for Francisco F. Pimentel so were these his parents?  If you want me to
>> send you an actual picture of the manifest, send me your personal email
>> address.  If this is them you should be able to find them on the CCA site.
>> I do not do this anymore as it is too difficult for me to read.  Sorry.
>>
>> "E"
>>
>> Boston Passenger and Crew Lists, 1820-1943 Boston Passenger and Crew
>> Lists, 1820-1943 Name:Francisco F Pimentel Arrival Date:13 Jul 
>> 1915Age:18Estimated
>> Birth Year:abt 
>> 1897
>> Gender:MalePort of Departure:St Michaels, Azores, PortugalShip Name:
>> CreticPort of Arrival:Boston, Massachusetts Friend's Name:Uncle and Aunt
>> Anna Pimentel, Fresno (see above)Last Residence:FloresBirthplace:Flores
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 2:56 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>
>>> Gary P,
>>>
>>> If you don't have a subscription to Ancestry.com, you can go to your
>>> local public library to access it.
>>>
>>> You can look for your dad beginning in the 1940 U.S. Federal Census.
>>> Then find him in the 1930 and the 1920.  You may be able to find him
>>> immigrating into America as well, by checking Ancestry's Immigration
>>> Collection.  He'll probably be under the name of Francisco and the Frietes
>>> may be Freitas, Frates, etc.  Once you check under Freitas, you'll also
>>> have to check under Pimentel, Pimental, etc. You don't know if he
>>> immigrated under the compounded surname or not. All that should answer your
>>> question about him living on the east coast.  (I'd save a copy of the
>>> census too).
>>>
>>> Those census should also tell you if he was a naturalized citizen or
>>> not.  You can order his naturalization packet from the USCIS.
>>>
>>> John Vasconcelos is going to be gone over a couple of weeks.  He was
>>> born in the Fresno area and says he believes your line was from Fajazinha.
>>>
>>> My "how to" guide can be found on the Azores GenWeb here: goo.gl/XXGwQe
>>> You may also wish to bookmark the main Azores GenWeb site:
>>> http://goo.gl/Vmutv5
>>>
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
>>> Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Azores Genealogy Conference, Salt Lake City, Utah, April 2014

[Nancy Couto]

Either week would work for me, but April 15-April 18 would be better.  And of 
course I'd also like to take advantage of the hotel's special.

Nancy



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On Jul 20, 2013, at 6:39 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> The Salt Lake Plaza Hotel has a really good special going on during part of 
> April, 2014.
> 
> The special is stay 3 nights (at $85 USD + taxes) and get the 4th night free 
> (regularly $129 a night).
> 
> This would be from Monday, April 14th, through Sunday, April 20th, 2014.  Our 
> conference would run from Tuesday, April 15th through Friday, April 18th.  
> EASTER SUNDAY is April 20th.
> 
> So, if we pick the above dates, would it impact our attendance?  If you were 
> to join us, would those dates work for you if you are considering joining us 
> (we are not going to hold you to it).
> 
> The other dates we are thinking of are Tuesday, April 8 through Friday, April 
> 11, 2014.  We would get the group rate of $85 USD a night, but no special of 
> stay 3 nights and get the 4th night free.
> 
> Thanks!
> Cheri Mello & Rosemarie Capodicci
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Frias Bode, Costa, Rego, early 1800s in Lagoa and Ponta Delgada on Sao Miguel

[Nancy Couto]

Thanks, Maria.  I think that makes us third cousins once removed.  I didn't
have the names of Barbara's maternal grandparents or the names and dates of
all the children, so you've given me starting points for a lot of
additional research.  I probably won't have time for any serious research
until the middle of June, but if I turn up anything new about this family,
I'll let you know.

Thanks again, and best wishes,
Nancy




On Sat, Apr 27, 2013 at 7:47 AM,  wrote:

> Hi Nancy & Hermano:
>
> Nancy you were right about the dates.  I double checked.
> I am the 4th great, granddaughter of *Barbara Maria da Purificacao** &
> José de Frias*.  Barbara's birthday is January 29, 1806, and married Oct.
> 3, 1824.  Barbara had 12 children between 1825 and 1849.  I am so excited
> that I am not the only one looking back.  I have no dates:  born, died,
> married, etc. for Barbara & Jose's parents and grandparents.  *Jose de
> Frias* parents are:  *Françisco de Frias & **Anna Maria Rego *married* 
> *1788March30,
>  paternal:  *Antonio de Frias & **Maria da Costa; *maternal: *Manuel do
> Rego & * *Anna Maria de Jesus Rosa.  *
> *Barbara Maria da Purificacao*'s parents are *Joaquim José Borges & **Antonia
> Jacinta Conceicao do Nascimento, *paternal: *
> *
> *Françisco Ignacio Rego* & *Joaquina Rosa Maria*;   maternal:  *Geronimo
> do Rego* & *Maria da Estrella*.
>
> Who exactly is Mateus Oliveira & Maria de Lima?
>
> Their (Barbara & Jose) 12 children between 1825 and 1849:
>
> Francisco, born 1825  *- *Nancy's ancestor
> Joaquim, born 1828
> Victor, born 1829
> Maria, born 1830
> Marianna 1832
> Manuel 1834
> Marianno 1835
> Manuel 1836 - my ancestor - his full name:  *Manuel José Borges de Frias
> Bodé*
> Margarida 1840
> Joao 1842
> Antonia 1847
> Maria 1849
>
> If you do not hear from me any time soon that's because I am taking a
> break from looking back.  The research is not easy.
> My father was born in Rosario, Lagoa, S.Miguel.  He passed away 13 years
> ago.  He told me about his parents and grandparents.
> Bodé?, we might be flemish, I am not sure.
>
> Your very distant cousin,
> Maria.
>
>
> On Thursday, January 17, 2013 1:43:11 PM UTC-6, Hermano C. Pires wrote:
>
>> Hello Nancy  and mcfariar
>> Nancy I think that you are absolutely right!
>> Barbara and Jose are my 3rd G-G also.
>> Barbara was born on 29 Jan 1806 and baptised 4 Feb 1806 in Santa Cruz.
>> The Barbara refered to is certainly someone else because our Barbara's
>> parents are: Joaquim Jose Borges (from S. Pedro Ponta Delgada) and Antonia
>> do Nasimento (from Santa Cruz).
>> Joaquin's parents were Francisco Ignacio (from S. Pedro, P. D.) and
>> Joaquina Rosa (from S. Sebastiao, P. D.)
>> Jose's parents were Francisco de Frias  and Ana Maria do Rego (I have
>> information for the to about 1716, Mateus de Oliveira and Maria de Lima,
>> from Agua de Pau).
>> Let me know if I can help.
>> Nancy I believe that we were in touch before (mind is not as clear as it
>> used to be).
>> Would love to exchange information.
>> If you prefer feel free to use my e-mail addy.
>> Happy New Year and God Bless.
>> Hermano
>>
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>> Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 13:53:05 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Frias Bode, Costa, Rego, early 1800s in
>> Lagoa and Ponta Delgada on Sao Miguel
>> From: nvcou...@gmail.com
>> To: azo...@googlegroups.com
>>
>>
>> Dear mcfariar,
>>
>> Barbara da Purificacao, who married Jose de Frias Bode, is my 3rd
>> great-grandmother.  Their son Francisco Joaquim, born 27 Sep 1825, is my
>> 2nd great-grandfather.  The only information I have for Barbara is that she
>> was born in Santa Cruz, Lagoa.  But she couldn't have been born in 1819 and
>> have given birth in 1825.  Barbara was Jose de Frias Bode's second wife,
>> and 1824 sounds about the right time frame for their marriage.
>>
>> Is it possible that the record you found was for someone else, possibly a
>> niece or a cousin.
>>
>> I also have da Costa and Rego in that branch of my family tree.  I think
>> it's likely that we are related in some way.
>>
>> Nancy
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 12:35 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>
>> Repost for mcfariar at rogers.com
>>
>> Hi, I google my ancestor: Jose de Frias Bode and found you guys, well I
>> have some information to share. I have been doing my own research and I
>> found Barbara da Purificaçao birth certificate, which states:
>>
>> Barbara, daughter of Francisco da Costa from the church of S. Pedro of
>> Ponta Delgada, and his wife Jacinta de Jesus from the church Nossa
>> Senhora
>> do Rosario, Lagoa. Paternal: Antonio da Costa & Maria Joaquina. Materna:
>> Andre Rego & Anna Rego. Born: May 3, 1819 . Baptized May 23, 1819.
>> Godfather: Jose Jacinto de Silva.
>>
>> Their son,* Manuel José Frias Bodé, continues to my side of the branch.
>> Are you sure that they married in 1824, which would make Barbara 5 years
>> old?*
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help Getting Farther back on Primary Paternal line

[Nancy Couto]

For what it's worth, Belchior do Rego and Isabel de Frias are in my tree, too.  
Isabel is the sister of my 7th great-grandfather, Antonio de Frias.  Thank you 
for the information about Belchior's parents.

Nancy



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On Apr 6, 2013, at 9:43 PM, mances  wrote:

> Pam,
> 
> Melchior (or Belchior) do Rego married Isabel de Frias on 5 jan 1697, he is 
> son of José do Rego and Maria Henriques.
> Let me see what I can find about this José do Rego.
> 
> The Rego's from Lagoa have a great chance to connect to Gonçalo do Rego, o 
> Velho, the settler.
> 
> But, the places where the Rego surname is such a plethora are Fenais da Luz 
> and Capelas!
> 
> Manoel Cesar Furtado
> 
> Em sábado, 6 de abril de 2013 19h44min22s UTC-3, Pam Santos escreveu:
> I found this  marriage but like I said I can't make out Isabel's last name on 
> the marriage to Ursula.
> 
> 
> On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 3:30 PM, Pam Santos  wrote:
> Belchoir and Isabel had a Manuel 18 Jan 1698 in Rosario, Lagoa, another 
> Manuel born 21 Aug 1699, Maria born 03 Apr 1702. So first marriage happened 
> before 1698. I didn't have Isabel's last name so I am assuming I couldn't 
> make out her last name. Maybe someone can decipher it.
> 
> 
> On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Pam Santos  wrote:
> He married 1 to Isabel, I do not have that marriage.
> 
> 
> On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 3:24 PM, Pam Santos  wrote:
> I have a  Joao do Rego who married Maria de Farias on 03 Dec 1757 in Nossa 
> Senhora do Rosario, Lagoa, Sao Miguel Azores, He was the son of Belchoir do 
> Rego and Ursula Fernandes who married on 06 Nov 1704 in Nossa Senhora do 
> Rosario, Lagoa, Sao Miguel Azores.
> 
> 
> On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 11:12 AM, Peter Baldaia  wrote:
> No it's not off ancestry. It was researched through primary sources by a 
> genealogist. I was hoping to get further back by linking to someone else's 
> research.
> 
> 
> On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 12:59 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> 11 generations of Rego Baldaia?  Are you sure?  Is this off of Ancestry?  How 
> do they know?  Ancestry does not have the CCA database.  What are the sources?
> 
> Sorry for the questions, but it looks too "nice."  
> 
> Cheri Mello
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Baptismo- Sao Roque, Sao Miguel

[Nancy Couto]

The library in Salt Lake City has the following records from Sao Roque
(Rosto de Cao):

Batismos from 1556-1879
Nascimentos (registro civil) from 1841-1883 with omissions
Perfilhacoes e legitimacoes for 1881 and 1878 (looks as if they have only
these years)
Casamentos from 1622-1879
Casamentos (registro civil) from 1845-1848
Obitos from 1600-1879
Obitos (registro civil) from 1839-1851, 1862-1872, and 1872-1881.
Obitos (de criancas) from 1811-1860.

File numbers from 1330792-1330797.

It will be a while before the records come on line.  They're only up to the
Fs.  But I can hardly wait.

Nancy



On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 4:00 PM, mances  wrote:

> One must search for Portugal, Açores, Ponta Delgada, Rosto de Cão, on the
> Family Search website.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Frias Bode, Costa, Rego, early 1800s in Lagoa and Ponta Delgada on Sao Miguel

[Nancy Couto]

Dear Hermano,

Thank you so much for the information you sent.  I have been trying without
success to find Barbara's birth record and information about her parents.

We were in touch before, and I think we established that we are third
cousins.  Give me a couple of days to get my information together, and I'll
send you a copy so we can compare notes.

Thanks again, and best wishes,
Nancy



On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 2:43 PM, Hermano C. Pires wrote:

> Hello Nancy  and mcfariar
> Nancy I think that you are absolutely right!
> Barbara and Jose are my 3rd G-G also.
> Barbara was born on 29 Jan 1806 and baptised 4 Feb 1806 in Santa Cruz.
> The Barbara refered to is certainly someone else because our Barbara's
> parents are: Joaquim Jose Borges (from S. Pedro Ponta Delgada) and Antonia
> do Nasimento (from Santa Cruz).
> Joaquin's parents were Francisco Ignacio (from S. Pedro, P. D.) and
> Joaquina Rosa (from S. Sebastiao, P. D.)
> Jose's parents were Francisco de Frias  and Ana Maria do Rego (I have
> information for the to about 1716, Mateus de Oliveira and Maria de Lima,
> from Agua de Pau).
> Let me know if I can help.
> Nancy I believe that we were in touch before (mind is not as clear as it
> used to be).
> Would love to exchange information.
> If you prefer feel free to use my e-mail addy.
> Happy New Year and God Bless.
> Hermano
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Frias Bode, Costa, Rego, early 1800s in Lagoa and Ponta Delgada on Sao Miguel

[Nancy Couto]

Dear mcfariar,

Barbara da Purificacao, who married Jose de Frias Bode, is my 3rd
great-grandmother.  Their son Francisco Joaquim, born 27 Sep 1825, is my
2nd great-grandfather.  The only information I have for Barbara is that she
was born in Santa Cruz, Lagoa.  But she couldn't have been born in 1819 and
have given birth in 1825.  Barbara was Jose de Frias Bode's second wife,
and 1824 sounds about the right time frame for their marriage.

Is it possible that the record you found was for someone else, possibly a
niece or a cousin.

I also have da Costa and Rego in that branch of my family tree.  I think
it's likely that we are related in some way.

Nancy



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> Repost for mcfariar at rogers.com
>
> Hi, I google my ancestor: Jose de Frias Bode and found you guys, well I
> have some information to share. I have been doing my own research and I
> found Barbara da Purificaçao birth certificate, which states:
>
> Barbara, daughter of Francisco da Costa from the church of S. Pedro of
> Ponta Delgada, and his wife Jacinta de Jesus from the church Nossa Senhora
> do Rosario, Lagoa. Paternal: Antonio da Costa & Maria Joaquina. Materna:
> Andre Rego & Anna Rego. Born: May 3, 1819 . Baptized May 23, 1819.
> Godfather: Jose Jacinto de Silva.
>
> Their son,* Manuel José Frias Bodé, continues to my side of the branch.
> Are you sure that they married in 1824, which would make Barbara 5 years
> old?*
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Searching for information on Francisco De Simas / Jose Francisco De Simas / Jose Silva De Simas

[Nancy Couto]

Amy, the City of New Bedford's Official Website contains crew lists for
whaling vessels, which you probably have already discovered.  It is
possible to search by ship's name.
http://www.newbedford-ma.gov/Library/Whaling/Whaling.html

I found Francisco de Simas listed as a Boy in the voyage of the Jeannette
departing in 1842.  I think the Boy is usually very young.  Notice he did
not receive a "lay" (a share of the income from the voyage).  Since he
isn't listed as leaving the vessel, he probably stayed on the ship until it
returned to New Bedford in 1845.  Notice that his first name is given as
Francisco rather than Jose.  Are you sure this is the right person?

Good luck with this.

Nancy




On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 7:48 PM, Richard Francis Pimentel <
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> Hi Amy,
>
> This sounds like a tough one.  The key to searching in the Acores and
> Portugal for that matter is to know what Freguesia (town) and Parish your
> ancestor came from in the case there is more than one parish in a town.
> What
> information do you have about the whaling ship Jeannette did you find him
> on
> a crew list.  The Acores and the whaling industry are entwined in that
> Atlantic whalers would stop in the Acores for supplies and hire crew to
> work
> on the ship. Many of the crew men would then leave the ship when it reached
> port in New England. The term "Jumped Ship" means that the person left the
> ship without completing his contract or obligation.  When he left the ship
> at the end of the voyage with his pay in hand is different than jumping
> ship. So it is possible that your ancestor did this and after spending some
> time and his money in New Bedford he went back to work on the Jeannette and
> disembarked in Australia. This is all speculation on my part and what is
> needed is a paper trail that would reveal a Freguesia in the Acores or on
> the mainland of Portugal.
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Merry Christmas/Feliz Natal thread

[Nancy Couto]

Boas festas to all of you!  May you dig up your roots, tear down your brick
walls, and solve all of your mysteries in the coming year.

Nancy

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Tree Maker

[Nancy Couto]

OK, good, so it does work with both versions.

Nancy

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Tree Maker

[Nancy Couto]

Pam,

I just realized that I'm using FTM 2012, not FTM 2011.  Maybe that's why my
instructions aren't working for you.  Suggestion:  Download the Companion
Guide for your version, offered free as a pdf document.  You can find the
link under the Help menu.

Good luck,
Nancy

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Tree Maker

[Nancy Couto]

Pam, I'm not sure exactly what you're trying to do, but you can customize
the boxes for all females by clicking the word "females" (under boxes in
the Box, Border and Line Options window) and then selecting a border color
and then a fill and shadow color, if desired.  The default for all three of
these is "None."  Then go down a line, click on "males," and make
additional selections.  There are other options, as well.

Nancy

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Manuel Afonso e Maria de Paiva - Fenais da Ajuda

[Nancy Couto]

Thanks, Eliseu.

So the word is just a place-holder, not a name.  Pedro's wife will continue
to be a mystery.

Nancy



On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 4:19 PM, Eliseu Silva wrote:

> Hi Nancy,
>
> ** **
>
> Fulana means someone female that we know that must exist but we do not
> know who she is. The same goes to Fulano for the masculine.
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *Eliseu Pacheco da Silva*
>
> *Researching S. Miguel and Graciosa: PACHECO, ARRUDA, SILVA, SOUSA,
> BETTENCOURT*
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Manuel Afonso e Maria de Paiva - Fenais da Ajuda

[Nancy Couto]

MaryAnn,

I just checked my Family Finder results, and we match at the level of
3rd-5th cousin.  I'd be interested in learning more about your line.

Nancy



On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 2:06 PM, MaryAnn Santos  wrote:

> My line too.  I'll have to check specifics and will bet back to you.
>
> MaryAnn Santos
>
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Manuel Afonso e Maria de Paiva - Fenais da Ajuda

[Nancy Couto]

Thanks, Eliseu.  Our common ancestor is Luzia Vieira.

I notice you show "Fulana" for Pedro Esteves da Rocha Machado's spouse.  Is
this an actual name, or just a word that means "woman."  I googled it and
got mixed results.  All I have for Pedro's wife is that she was born about
1412.

Nancy



On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 5:58 AM, Eliseu Silva wrote:

> Hi all. 
>
> This is my direct line. Would you like any other information? Please let
> me know
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> Pedro Esteves da Rocha 
> Machado
> & Fulana ? 
>
> |
> 
>
> Afonso Anes da 
> Rocha
> 
>
> |
> 
>
> Mécia 
> Affonso
> 
>
> |
> 
>
> Mécia 
> Affonso
> 
>
> |
> 
>
> Eva Lopes **
> **
>
> |
> 
>
> Luzia Vieira
> 
>
> |
> 
>
> António Gonçalves 
> Vieira,
> *Cavaleiro* *†/1621*
>
> |
> 
>
> Maria Vieira de 
> Albernaz
> *ca 1595-/1676*
>
> |
> 
>
> Tomé Barbosa da 
> Silva
> *ca 1646-1686*
>
> |
> 
>
> António Barbosa de Medeiros ou da 
> Silveira
> *1680-*
>
> |
> 
>
> Anacleto 
> Pacheco
> 
>
> |
> 
>
> Manuel Pacheco 
> Barbosa
> 
>
> |
> 
>
> Francisca 
> x
> *1779-*
>
> |
> 
>
> Helena x
> *ca 1820-*
>
> |
> 
>
> Maria Melo ou 
> Arruda
> *1846-*
>
> |
> 
>
> José Arruda
> *1876-ca 1907*
>
> |
> 
>
> Maria Arruda
> *1904-1993*
>
> |
> 
>
> Inês Arruda 
> Pacheco
> *1934*
>
> |
> 
>
> Eliseu Pacheco da 
> Silva,
> *1958*
>
> ** **
>
> Muito Obrigado,
>
> ** **
>
> *Eliseu Pacheco da Silva*
>
> *Researching S. Miguel and Graciosa: PACHECO, ARRUDA, SILVA, SOUSA,
> BETTENCOURT*
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Tree Maker

[Nancy Couto]

Pam and Rick,

I use FTM 2011, although I don't print trees very often.  However, I think
the "box and line styles" settings under "Pedigree Chart Options" might be
the place to specify borders and colors for boxes for females and males.
This would be on your screen to the right of the actual chart, and it
allows you to customize the appearance of the boxes.  After you enter your
preferences for females, go down and do the same for males.  You can have
females with red borders and males with blue borders, etc.  This just
controls the appearance; all ancestors, male and female, will appear in the
tree.  I don't know how to make it print just male or female.

Hope this helps a little.

Nancy

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Manuel Afonso e Maria de Paiva - Fenais da Ajuda

[Nancy Couto]

Hello cousins.

Manoel, I see how we're connected.  The Camelo Pereira line is
interesting.  This makes us probably 11th cousins, or something like that.
My most recent Pereiras lived in Sao Roque (Rosto de Cao).

Eliseu, I look forward to seeing your report.  No rush.

Hermano, Pedro Esteves Rocha e Machado (or Machado da Rocha--I've seen it
spelled both ways) is my 17th great-grandfather, as well.  He sounds like a
colorful and possibly dangerous character.  Does this make us 18th
cousins?  We're already 3rd cousins, if I recall correctly, on the Frias
line.  I think our common ancestor on that side is Jose de Frias Bode.

Dano and Henrietta, we're definitely cousins.  This is great.  We should
all compare detailed reports.  Do either of you have ancestors living in
Sao Roque in the 19th century?

Here in upstate New York we're expecting the storm, now a post-tropical
cyclone, to bring heavy rain and winds.  The people on the coast have it a
lot worse.  But things are tense right now, and these genealogical
discoveries are a good diversion..

Best wishes,
Nancy

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Re: [PT-MADEIRA] [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: FTDNA's Flash Weekend Sale (Fri, Sept. 28 through Sun, Sept 30)

[Nancy Couto]

Patsy,

You and I are a match at the 5th cousin-remote cousin level.  My ancestors
are from Sao Miguel.  I have Vieiras and Pereiras in my family, from
Ribeirinha and Sao Roque, respectively.  Do you have a family tree on line?

I'm getting ready to go to a conference, but I'll email you privately
sometime next week with more information about my ancestors.

Nancy



On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 3:16 PM, Patsy  wrote:

> Cheryl,
>
> I have not received my results yet.  It is very exciting to here we have
> matches.
> My desktop computer aol is broken this is on an iPad.  My tree is on the
> desktop and I had not uploaded it yet.  I have to find out what to do.  I
> think my files are all right.  Tomorrow I will see what I can do.  I have
> Vieira Anselmo, Pereira Dutra, Dos Reis and Brum and a lot more.  San
> Miguel and Pico are the islands.  We will have fun comparing trees.
>
> Cousin,
> Pat Nostromecnsport
> cnsp...@aol.com
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Sep 30, 2012, at 7:49 PM, Cheryl Lawrence  wrote:
>
> Speaking of family finder, new matches are in!! I got two, my uncle got
> three, and my fiancee got 3. Time to start sending emails!!
> On Sep 30, 2012 8:45 PM, "Cheri Mello"  wrote:
>
>> Hi Tex,
>> mtDNA Full Sequence will focus on your mother's mother's mother's line
>> only.  And it will take time to get meaningful, genealogical matches.
>>
>> Family Finder will go back on all lines on your pedigree about 200
>> years.  So if you were born in the 1930s, for example, you will have DNA
>> from all your ancestor going back to the 1730s.  You will also get matches
>> right away.  If you are 100% Portuguese, you can expect 2-4 pages of
>> matches at 10 people on a page.
>>
>> Since just mtDNA and Family Finder are on sale, I'd do Family Finder
>> first.
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Family Tree DNA Admin
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Happy 7th Birthday to the Azores Genealogy List!

[Nancy Couto]

Congratulations, Cheri, and many thanks for all the valuable work you've
done.  And happy 7th birthday to all 1000 of us!

Nancy



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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Brick wall

[Nancy Couto]

Could Madruga be an alcunha?  My dictionary translates "madrugada" as
"dawn" and the verb "madrugar" as "to rise very early."  If "madruga" is a
form of the verb, it might refer to someone who rises early.  If the name
is an alcunha, it could easily be omitted from a document.

Just a thought.

Nancy

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] great grandfather

[Nancy Couto]

Mike,

Try Our Lady of Mount Carmel Church in New Bedford.  The priest there was
Father Vieira, from early 20th century on for many years.  (I actually
remember him; he was a very old man.)  Father Vieira officiated at my
grandparents marriage in, I think, 1905.  The address is 230 Bonney Street,
New Bedford, MA 02744. The phone number is (508) 993-4704.  The front of
the church is actually on Rivet Street, but Bonney Street is right around
the corner.

Good luck.

Nancy


On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 1:19 PM, Michael Gilfilian wrote:

> It could have been because my great great grandfather became a citizen and
> it was probably naturally change the last name to Perry I'll have to check
> maybe it was Saint Marys that they're priest was associated with um but I
> know for sure wasn't Saint John the Baptist because I already checked there
> On Sep 6, 2012 1:17 PM,  wrote:
>
>> **
>> Mike,
>> If you try to find the church marriage record, look in New Bedford.
>> That is where they were married even though the event was "recorded" in
>> Dartmouth. Also, the priest was of New Bedford.
>>
>> I, too, would have thought his name would have been Pinheiro and was
>> surprised when I saw the marriage record for Joseph Pine & Mary Perry
>> recorded Dartmouth 19 May 1917 as having taken place in New Bedford. His
>> parents are listed as "Joseph & Louise Silveira" while her parents are
>> listed as "Antonio & Mary Leal"  why is she being married as Mary
>> Perry then? This is first marriage for both. She is age 18 and born
>> Fairhaven, MA ... so about 1898-1899?
>>
>> Al
>>
>>  In a message dated 9/6/2012 1:05:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>> fsouz...@comcast.net writes:
>>
>> Mike,
>>
>> If he died in this country, you may be able to find a death certificate
>> through the town clerk of the town in which he died.  You are sure he was
>> born on the "other side" ,   I am going to guess though the name is
>> probably  Jose Pinheiro or Jose Pineiro or something like that since Jose
>> Pinheiro would literally translate to Joseph Pine.
>>
>> Also, have you had any luck with looking at the 1920 census?
>>
>> Fred
>>  On Sep 6, 2012, at 9:11 AM, Mike wrote:
>>
>> I'm going to try and find information on my great grandfather again,
>> I know his anglicized name was Joseph Pine
>> He was born 23 October 1894 from his WWI draft registration in Fairhaven,
>> Mass.
>> He died between 1918 and Oct 1924, these dates coincide with my grandpa's
>> birthday and my grt grandmas 2nd marriage, his WWI record confirms his
>> throat affliction.
>> He married my great grandma Maria Pereira on May 19, 1917 in Dartmouth,
>> Mass
>> This is all I could find and verify that's it him, because he died so
>> young, my mother and grandmother don't know anything about him, I don't
>> know where to go next or if I even have enough to find anything.
>> Mike
>> searching, Piedade, Pico and Faial ??
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] New to the group

[Nancy Couto]

Elisabeth, I'm so happy that you've found so much so quickly.  Best of luck
as you continue your research.

Nancy



On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 1:10 PM, Elisabeth Costa wrote:

>  I wouldn't restrict the search, I have found at least 20 articles about
> my family, about all different things, and many mention other family names
> as well as parishes on Sao Miguel.  Thanks Nancy!
>
> --
> Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 13:06:43 -0400
>
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] New to the group
> From: nvcouto...@gmail.com
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
>
>
> I don't think so--at least not easily, since these obituaries and death
> notices aren't always titled the same way.  You can try typing in the name
> and "obituario" or "faleceu" or "falecido" or "falecida" and setting the
> search to "All Words."  But you'll get a lot of unrelated junk.  I think
> it's better to search for the name (and try different possible spellings)
> and the time period.
>
> Nancy
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 12:46 PM, Sam Koester  wrote:
>
> Nancy;  Is there a way to check *only* the obits at this site?  Thanks,
> Sam in CA
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Nancy Couto
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 22, 2012 8:02 AM
> *To:* azores@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] New to the group
>
> ** **
>
> Elisabeth,
>
> I found Maria Camara Costa's obituary in "Diario de Noticias" and am
> attaching it.  Look in the second column from the left at the bottom of the
> page.  The obituary should be useful, because it provides the freguesias of
> your grandparents and of Maria's parents.  I hope you can read Portuguese,
> but if not, don't worry.  This is in standard obituary format.  It does
> mention your grandfather's occupation as a well-known shoemaker
> (sapateiro).  I didn't see any reference to her being a professor in
> Boston, but her two sisters lived in Boston.  Also, I couldn't find an
> obituary for your grandfather, but I didn't try all the name combinations
> that it may have been listed under.
>
> This newspaper archive is a treasure trove of information.  The website is:
>
> https://news.arcasearch.com/usmaums/
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Nancy
> ..
>
> On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 9:26 AM, Elisabeth Costa 
> wrote:
>
> Hi everyone, I am new to the group.  I am searching for information on
> Antonio Gomes da Costa, born November 2nd, sometime between 1872 and 1874
> (the dates are different on everything Ive found), in Sao Miguel.  He went
> to New Bedford, Massachusetts in February 1890 according to a later
> passport application, but I thought I found him in March 1893 on the ship
> "Olinda".  He eventually worked as a show repairer, and owned his own
> shop.  His parents names were Domigos Gomes da Costa and Maria de
> Conceicao. He died in 1951 in New Bedford. His wife was named Maria Jose
> Camara and was born August 1877 (or thereabouts) in I believe Sao Miguel.
> Her parents were Jose Ignacio Camara and Maria Gloria Arruda.  There is a
> family story that she was some kind of professor in Boston, but I don't
> have anythting to back that up.  She came to New Bedford before her
> husband, I believe they may have married in the U.S. She dies on February
> 9, 1945 in New Bedford.  They had three children, Alfred, Edmund and Edmar
> (Ideomar) who was my grandfather.  They eventually used Gomes as a middle
> name and just went by Costa.
>
> Is anyone searching for this family?  Any advice on where to search for
> records in Sao Miguel would be appreciated.  I have other bits and pieces,
> just need to put it all together.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Elisabeth Costa Saliani
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] New to the group

[Nancy Couto]

I don't think so--at least not easily, since these obituaries and death
notices aren't always titled the same way.  You can try typing in the name
and "obituario" or "faleceu" or "falecido" or "falecida" and setting the
search to "All Words."  But you'll get a lot of unrelated junk.  I think
it's better to search for the name (and try different possible spellings)
and the time period.

Nancy



On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 12:46 PM, Sam Koester  wrote:

> Nancy;  Is there a way to check *only* the obits at this site?  Thanks,
> Sam in CA
>
> ** **
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> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Nancy Couto
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 22, 2012 8:02 AM
> *To:* azores@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] New to the group
>
> ** **
>
> Elisabeth,
>
> I found Maria Camara Costa's obituary in "Diario de Noticias" and am
> attaching it.  Look in the second column from the left at the bottom of the
> page.  The obituary should be useful, because it provides the freguesias of
> your grandparents and of Maria's parents.  I hope you can read Portuguese,
> but if not, don't worry.  This is in standard obituary format.  It does
> mention your grandfather's occupation as a well-known shoemaker
> (sapateiro).  I didn't see any reference to her being a professor in
> Boston, but her two sisters lived in Boston.  Also, I couldn't find an
> obituary for your grandfather, but I didn't try all the name combinations
> that it may have been listed under.
>
> This newspaper archive is a treasure trove of information.  The website is:
>
> https://news.arcasearch.com/usmaums/
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Nancy
> ..
>
> On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 9:26 AM, Elisabeth Costa 
> wrote:
>
> Hi everyone, I am new to the group.  I am searching for information on
> Antonio Gomes da Costa, born November 2nd, sometime between 1872 and 1874
> (the dates are different on everything Ive found), in Sao Miguel.  He went
> to New Bedford, Massachusetts in February 1890 according to a later
> passport application, but I thought I found him in March 1893 on the ship
> "Olinda".  He eventually worked as a show repairer, and owned his own
> shop.  His parents names were Domigos Gomes da Costa and Maria de
> Conceicao. He died in 1951 in New Bedford. His wife was named Maria Jose
> Camara and was born August 1877 (or thereabouts) in I believe Sao Miguel.
> Her parents were Jose Ignacio Camara and Maria Gloria Arruda.  There is a
> family story that she was some kind of professor in Boston, but I don't
> have anythting to back that up.  She came to New Bedford before her
> husband, I believe they may have married in the U.S. She dies on February
> 9, 1945 in New Bedford.  They had three children, Alfred, Edmund and Edmar
> (Ideomar) who was my grandfather.  They eventually used Gomes as a middle
> name and just went by Costa.
>
> Is anyone searching for this family?  Any advice on where to search for
> records in Sao Miguel would be appreciated.  I have other bits and pieces,
> just need to put it all together.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Elisabeth Costa Saliani
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Terceira Research

[Nancy Couto]

I found the obituary on currentobituary.com.  It doesn't say a whole lot more, 
but here's the link, if anyone is interested:

http://www.currentobituary.com/Memory.aspx?Memory_ObitdID=113881

Nancy

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On Aug 22, 2012, at 1:16 AM, "\"E\" Sharp"  wrote:

> In the New Bedford paper SouthCoastToday today, there is an obit for a Maria 
> (Frias) Sampaio, 87,  who was born in Sao Miguel.  I cannot send any more 
> info on it as I do not subscribe to their online paper.  Her husband's name 
> was Joao Sampaio and it does not say if he is from Sao Miguel or not but 
> looks like he could be if anyone wants to research them further.
>  
> "E"
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] My results are in

[Nancy Couto]

Gail,

You and I are a match as well, at the 4th Cousin-Remote Cousin level.  I
also match Altino at the same level.  I do not match Shirley, Cheri, or
Cheri's dad.  I've looked at your GEDCOM and can't really see where the
connection might be, although I have Pereiras in my line, mostly from Sao
Roque, Sao Miguel.

I will email you privately.

Nancy

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel

[Nancy Couto]

Yes, Sao Roque is only 4 km from downtown Ponta --close enough to walk.  My 
father was born there.

Nancy



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On May 12, 2012, at 11:14 PM, jojo8...@comcast.net wrote:

> Hi,
> 
>If I'm not mistaken, Sao Roque is the next town just east of Ponta Delgada 
> along the waterfront. I think that one of the areas is called Rosta de Cao.
> 
> We drove through there on the way to Povoacao.
>  Joanne Souza
> 
>  
> 
> From: "Betty" 
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 6:36:56 AM
> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I've been wondering which other villages bordered on Ponta Delgada, Sao 
> Miguel, and I wasn't having any luck with finding a good map for Sao Miguel 
> on-line.   But, I just tried again, just searching for "Sao Roque, Sao 
> Miguel"  and found a Google map which shows Ponta Delgada with some of the 
> villages very near it.
> 
> http://maps.google.com/maps?rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-Address&oe=UTF-8&rlz=1I7ADSA_en&q=%22Sao+Roque,+Sao+Miguel%22&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=0xb5cd53d0607f475:0xbf373fd412775601,Sao+Roque,+Portugal&gl=us&ei=XjquT62GEIXc0QGKy7yIDA&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CCEQ8gEwAA
> 
> Some I see are:Sao Sebastiao,  Sao Jose',  Santa Clara, etc.
> 
> My husband's grandfather, Antonio / Anton PACHECO came from Sao Roque, with 
> a father, Joao PACHECO. I've never had time to find out about other 
> members of that family. So, I don't know if  Joao and Jacintha (COSTA?) 
> had more children.When "Tony" left for Massachusetts  ~1905 as a 
> 20-yr-old,  I don't know who he traveled with, and I don't know who he came 
> to visit.
> 
> (I've mentioned before that, when Tony was killed in a car accident in 1929, 
> leaving a widow, pregnant with twins, and 5 young children,  his wife  (born 
> Elsie MOURA) was probably very angry being left in this predicament.   She 
> hardly ever spoke about him again, and told her grandchildren that the other 
> PACHECO's in Cambridge, MA, were not related to them. When I posted 
> queries, I heard from a researcher who said they .were.  related.)
> 
> Betty   (near Lowell, MA, USA)
> 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Amelia daCosta on Terceira ~ Baptism Translation

[Nancy Couto]

Someone just emailed the definition of "Canada" to me.  It's a small road
that would usually house a small number of houses (maybe 3 or 4) in a
setting with no traffic.  If more houses were added later on, the street
would still keep its name as "Canada dos ."

Nancy




On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 12:20 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> I've had ancestors live on streets named "Canada da(s) _."  So it
> could be a street as well.
>
> Cheri Mello
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> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
> Tainhas, Achada
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[AZORES-Genealogy] St. John the Baptist in New Bedford

[Nancy Couto]

Some of you may be interested in this article.

http://www.southcoasttoday.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20120313/NEWS/203130320

Nancy

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Azores Genealogy Conference and Research Trip, Salt Lake City, April 10-13, 2012

[Nancy Couto]

Cheri,

Do we need to order any Azores films in advance?  Or will all the
freguesias be available for us?

Nancy



On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 11:27 AM, "E" Sharp  wrote:

> Thank you, Cheri.
>
> I also would like to remind those coming to the Conference, if you are
> going to do any research in other areas---I am looking for a death record
> in Trieste, Italy and other records the Italian/Croatian island my family
> came from and family death records from Faro, Portugal,  you might want to
> order these films, (you can do so online) from FHC to be sure they are in
> the Library when you get there.  They have to order these from the vault
> and it may take some days so you will want them in the Library when you get
> there.
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Rio de Janeiro on São Miguel?

[Nancy Couto]

This is slightly off the subject, but all these Pingao ancestors are
ringing a bell with me.  Does anyone know whether the name Pingao is an
actual surname or an alcunha?

I remember long ago my mother telling me about our family's alcunha.  My
maternal grandmother's family, the Frias family, had the nickname
"Malassada."  According to my mother, the other side of the family, by
which I think she meant my maternal grandfather's family, the Vieira
family, had a nickname that sounded exactly like Pingao, but which my
mother said meant "squash."  Years later, after I acquired a very
elementary reading knowledge of Portuguese, I tried to find this name that
supposedly meant "squash," but all I could find was "abobrinha" as the
Portuguese equivalent.  To me, "pingao" sounds as if it means a very large
drop of something, the opposite of "pinginho."

I suppose some squashes do resemble very large drops of water.  Does anyone
know the origin off this name?

Thanks,
Nancy



2012/2/21 JR 

> I think this is what you are looking for:
>
>
> Ancestors of Grandfather Medeiros Pingao
>
>
> Generation No. 1
>
>1.  Madeup Medeiros Pingao  He was the son of 2. Jose de Medeiros
> Pingao and 3. Maria Emilia da Conceicao.
>
> Generation No. 2
>
>2.  Jose de Medeiros Pingao, born Abt. 1855 in Ponta Garca- NS da
> Piedade.  He was the son of Jacinto Jose de Medeiros Pingao and Ana
> Jacinta.  He married 3. Maria Emilia da Conceicao 21 Aug 1876 in Ponta
> Garca- NS da Piedade.
>3.  Maria Emilia da Conceicao, born Abt. 1856 in Ponta Garca- NS da
> Piedade.  She was the daughter of Joaquim da Costa Carneiro and Maria
> Rita or Emilia da Conceicao.
>
> JR
>
>
>
> On Feb 20, 8:27 pm, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> > Mary K,
> >
> > Whoops, did not refer back to the map.
> >
> > Freguesias west to east: Sao Miguel Arcanjo in Vila Franca, Ribeira das
> > Tainhas, Ponta Garca, then Ribeira Quente and Furnas (they are kind of on
> > top of each other, adjacent to Ponta Garca on the east).
> >
> > Cheri Mello
> > Listowner, Azores-Gen
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> Tainhas,
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Centro de Conhecimento dos Açores website

[Nancy Couto]

I had the same experience.  The initial pages come up, but the records appear 
to be not yet available.  For the Passaportes the available dates appear, but 
the pages with the Passaportes do not.  I've tried it with Internet Explorer, 
Safari, and Firefox.  I'm hopeful that the new site will work with Firefox.

Like you, I've bookmarked a few records.  But luckily I've saved copies of the 
most important ones.

Did you notice that ALL the freguesias on ALL the islands are listed on the 
pull-down menus.  I hope this means that more records will be added soon.

Nancy



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On Feb 18, 2012, at 9:10 AM, sdarosa  wrote:

> Hi Cheri,
> the main page with the map of the Islands comes up BUT when you click
> on the Islands, you get a drop down search it says it doesn't find any
> records.  I think it's not totally up and running yet.
> 
> FYI, I have saved links to records from the old site and they do not
> work anymore either. Yikes, what a nightmare for people.
> Thank goodness I have saved the records that meant something to me.
> 
> I do a lot of web work and  anyone doing web work should know they
> need to do redirects... The sight is not totally up yet so maybe that
> will happen, but if not, a whole lot of research people have been
> saving in their bookmarks is going to be lost.
> 
> Guess we'll know more when it is totally up and going.
> 
> Has anyone been able to get to the records yet?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Feb 17, 12:03 pm, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>> Last fall, they were going to move the CCA server to this web 
>> site:http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/ig/
>> 
>> I don't know if it's official yet, but it seems to work.
>> 
>> Cheri Mello
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>> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
>> Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] HENRIETTA - Portuguese name?

[Nancy Couto]

Hi Jack,

I believe the Portuguese version of Henrietta is Henriqueta.

Good luck.
Nancy




On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 9:57 AM, jack  wrote:

> I knew my grandmother's younger sister by the name HENRIETTA.  She was
> born abt 1880 in Feteiras, Sao Miguel and immigrated to Fall River.
> Her maiden name was TAVARES.  I know she was married and had at least
> one child, a son, but I do not know her husband's name.   I have not
> been able to find any record for her under the name Henrietta - is
> there a Portuguese name that is similar?
> There were at least two other members of her family that I have found
> records for - my grandmother, MARIA ADELAIDE TAVARES SOUSA) (b. 27
> Nov. 1879 in Feteiras) and her brother, JOAO DA COSTA TAVARES, (b.
> 1875 in Feteiras). And her parents, JOAO DA COSTA TAVARES, (b. 15 June
> 1839 in Feteiras), and MARIA DA GLORIA RAMALHO, (b. 8 Nov. 1839 in
> Fetieras).  I have found birth records for her grand and great grand
> parents - she was the great granddaughter of JOAO DE OLIVEIRA
> BERGANTIM (b. 18 June 1784 in Feteiras) and ANA FRANCISCA (b. 29 April
> 1788 in Relva, Sao Miguel).
> I would very much appreciate any information as to a possible
> Portuguese name she may have changed to "Henrietta" and any
> information anyone might have regarding her or her immediate family.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Nordestinho, Sao Miguel

[Nancy Couto]

Hi Nancy,

My Coutos are mostly from Arrifes.  Those who came to the U.S. settled in
New Bedford or Fall River.  Do you know the full name of the grandmother
who settled in New Bedford/Fall River?  We probably don't have a
connection, since we're talking about different sides of the island.  But
it's worth a try.

Nancy



On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 6:32 PM, Nancy Hoopes  wrote:

> Is anyone researching the village of Nordestinho on Sao Miguel.  I was
> there 5 years ago and family name Couto is in the church cemetery.  Last
> names, Furtado, Couto, Monis or Moniz, Cabral, Franco, de Medeiros,
> Pimentel, Raposo ? All in the 1800's.  Grandmother settled in New
> Bedford/Fall River early 1900's. Nancy
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Locating the village or freguesia

[Nancy Couto]

You might also try abebooks.com.  They have several copies available from their 
sellers, starting at $30.

My copy was purchased several years ago at Baker Books in Dartmouth, MA.  I 
doubt that they still have any in stock, but it might be worth a phone call.  
Their number is 508-997-6700.  They're a good independent bookstore with a 
section devoted to books of interest to Portuguese-Americans.

Nancy



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On Jan 1, 2012, at 10:23 PM, "\"E\" Sharp"  wrote:

> I also have this book.  You can buy one on www.addall.com for $30 and up.
>  
> "E"
> 
> 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Records I have Compiled.

[Nancy Couto]

Dear Rick,

Thanks for the comments.  I don't know why I didn't see "Dias."  It's so
obvious now.

I did not receive any charts.  How were they sent?  Possibly an email
message never got through to me.  I checked my spam folder, but nothing
there.

Anyway, I really look forward to seeing them.  Thanks again.

All best,
Nancy



On Tue, Dec 27, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Richard Francis Pimentel <
rfrancispimen...@comcast.net> wrote:

> *Hi Nancy,*
>
> * *
>
> *See my comments below also did you check the charts I sent? They take
> both lines back further.*
>
> * *
>
> *I have found the birth of Jacinto and am still working on the record it
> is also hard to read.*
>
> * *
>
> *Rick*
>
> * *
>
> *Richard Francis Pimentel*
>
> *Spring, TX*
>
> *Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire *
>
> * *
>
> *Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha Ponta Delgada, and Achada
> Grande,  Sao Miguel, Acores*
>
> * *
>
> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Nancy Couto
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 27, 2011 11:58 AM
>
> *To:* azores@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Records I have Compiled.
>
> ** **
>
> Dear Rick,
>
> Thank you, thank you.  Yes, the record is difficult to read, but I've been
> poring over it.  Looks to me as if Amalia's parents were naturals of Nossa
> Senhora da Estrella in Ribeira Grande. *[RFP] * Yes. I'm so happy to have
> her grandparents names, which I had not known.  I get the following:
>
> Paternal:  Manoel Cabral and Roza Joaquianna (not sure about the last part)
> *[RFP]Manuel Cabrel & Rosa Joaquina*
> Maternal:  Jose Dinis and Roza de Jesus*[RFP] * Jose Dias & Rosa de
> Jesus
>
>
> I'm not sure about "Dinis."  I think it's a "D," but if it's a "P" it
> could be Paiva.  I'll look at it again later and see if it becomes clearer.
>
> The date is giving me difficulty, though.  I'm reading fifth day of the
> month of February of eighteen hundred and--and here is where I get
> confused.  It has to be "quarenta" or "cinquenta," but I can't make out a
> "q" in the word..  *[RFP] *Born 5 Feb 1852 Baptized 23 Feb 1852 Your
> title for the photo shows the year to be 1847,*[RFP] * The book starts in
> 1847 this record was on the last page which is 1852.  but that would make
> her 26 rather than 25 *[RFP] * Yes records do have errors at the time of
> her marriage in 1873.  Could the year possibly be "cincuenta e dois"?  Is
> "fifty" ever spelled that way?  According to her gravestone, she was born
> in 1852, but that doesn't mean anything.
>
>
> Anyway, I'll give it a rest for now and then look at it later.  In the
> meantime, it's great to have the names (sort of) of my new randparents.
>
> Thanks again for all your help with this.
>
> Nancy
>
>
> 
>
> On Tue, Dec 27, 2011 at 8:45 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel <
> rfrancispimen...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> *Hi Nancy*
>
> * *
>
> *Here is the Baptism Record of Amelia. It is the record on the left. Not
> the best copy but readable.*
>
> * *
>
> *Rick*
>
> * *
>
> *Richard Francis Pimentel*
>
> *Spring, TX*
>
> *Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire *
>
> * *
>
> *Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha Ponta Delgada, and Achada
> Grande,  Sao Miguel, Acores*
>
> * *
>
> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Nancy Couto
> *Sent:* Monday, December 26, 2011 11:42 PM
>
>
> *To:* azores@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Records I have Compiled.
>
>  
>
> Dear Rick,
>
>  
>
> Thank you so much.  This is great information!  Amalia (or Amelia--she
> seems to have used both names in various U.S. records) was obviously older
> than I thought she was.  I'm so glad that I finally know where she was
> born.  I can't believe you found this information so quickly.  I really
> appreciate this.
>
>  
>
> All best,
>
> Nancy
>
>  
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>
> On Dec 27, 2011, at 12:03 AM, "Richard  Francis Pimentel" <
> rfrancispimen...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> *Hi Nancy*
>
> * *
>
> *I think you will find this useful the actual record was very hard to
> read on the film but I was able to make the connections.*
>
> * *
>
> *They were married 26 May 1873 in Ribeirinha Santissimo Salvador Church

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Records I have Compiled.

[Nancy Couto]

Dear Rick,

Thank you, thank you.  Yes, the record is difficult to read, but I've been
poring over it.  Looks to me as if Amalia's parents were naturals of Nossa
Senhora da Estrella in Ribeira Grande.  I'm so happy to have her
grandparents names, which I had not known.  I get the following:

Paternal:  Manoel Cabral and Roza Joaquianna (not sure about the last part)
Maternal:  Jose Dinis and Roza de Jesus

I'm not sure about "Dinis."  I think it's a "D," but if it's a "P" it could
be Paiva.  I'll look at it again later and see if it becomes clearer.

The date is giving me difficulty, though.  I'm reading fifth day of the
month of February of eighteen hundred and--and here is where I get
confused.  It has to be "quarenta" or "cinquenta," but I can't make out a
"q" in the word..  Your title for the photo shows the year to be 1847, but
that would make her 26 rather than 25 at the time of her marriage in 1873.
Could the year possibly be "cincuenta e dois"?  Is "fifty" ever spelled
that way?  According to her gravestone, she was born in 1852, but that
doesn't mean anything.

Anyway, I'll give it a rest for now and then look at it later.  In the
meantime, it's great to have the names (sort of) of my new randparents.

Thanks again for all your help with this.

Nancy



On Tue, Dec 27, 2011 at 8:45 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel <
rfrancispimen...@comcast.net> wrote:

> *Hi Nancy*
>
> * *
>
> *Here is the Baptism Record of Amelia. It is the record on the left. Not
> the best copy but readable.*
>
> * *
>
> *Rick*
>
> * *
>
> *Richard Francis Pimentel*
>
> *Spring, TX*
>
> *Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire *
>
> * *
>
> *Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha Ponta Delgada, and Achada
> Grande,  Sao Miguel, Acores*
>
> * *
>
> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Nancy Couto
> *Sent:* Monday, December 26, 2011 11:42 PM
>
> *To:* azores@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Records I have Compiled.
>
> ** **
>
> Dear Rick,
>
> ** **
>
> Thank you so much.  This is great information!  Amalia (or Amelia--she
> seems to have used both names in various U.S. records) was obviously older
> than I thought she was.  I'm so glad that I finally know where she was
> born.  I can't believe you found this information so quickly.  I really
> appreciate this.
>
> ** **
>
> All best,
>
> Nancy
>
> ** **
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>
> On Dec 27, 2011, at 12:03 AM, "Richard  Francis Pimentel" <
> rfrancispimen...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> *Hi Nancy*
>
> * *
>
> *I think you will find this useful the actual record was very hard to
> read on the film but I was able to make the connections.*
>
> * *
>
> *They were married 26 May 1873 in Ribeirinha Santissimo Salvador Church.
>  Jacinto Vieira age 33, son of Francisco Vieira and Margarida de Jesus
> baptized in Santissimo Salvador Parish. Amelia da Estrella age 25, daughter
> of Jose Cabrel de Mello and Margarida Rosa also baptized in Santissimo
> Salvador. I will try and look up their births tomorrow.*
>
> * *
>
> *Rick*
>
> * *
>
> *Richard Francis Pimentel*
>
> *Spring, TX*
>
> *Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire *
>
> * *
>
> *Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha Ponta Delgada, and Achada
> Grande,  Sao Miguel, Acores*
>
> * *
>
> ** **
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Records I have Compiled.

[Nancy Couto]

Dear Rick,

Thank you so much.  This is great information!  Amalia (or Amelia--she seems to 
have used both names in various U.S. records) was obviously older than I 
thought she was.  I'm so glad that I finally know where she was born.  I can't 
believe you found this information so quickly.  I really appreciate this.

All best,
Nancy


Sent from my iPad

On Dec 27, 2011, at 12:03 AM, "Richard  Francis Pimentel" 
 wrote:

> Hi Nancy
>  
> I think you will find this useful the actual record was very hard to read on 
> the film but I was able to make the connections.
>  
> They were married 26 May 1873 in Ribeirinha Santissimo Salvador Church.  
> Jacinto Vieira age 33, son of Francisco Vieira and Margarida de Jesus 
> baptized in Santissimo Salvador Parish. Amelia da Estrella age 25, daughter 
> of Jose Cabrel de Mello and Margarida Rosa also baptized in Santissimo 
> Salvador. I will try and look up their births tomorrow.
>  
> Rick
>  
> Richard Francis Pimentel
> Spring, TX
> Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire
>  
> Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha Ponta Delgada, and Achada Grande,  Sao 
> Miguel, Acores
>  
> 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Merry Christmas / Feliz Natal

[Nancy Couto]

To everyone in our group:

I wish you a Merry Christmas and a New Year filled with poetry, light,
music, and everything else that is true, good, and beautiful.

Nancy

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: What time of the year is best to go to the Azores

[Nancy Couto]

Dear Vivian,

I visited Sao Miguel for a week last June, and it was great.  We had wanted
to go in May, but all the flights were full because of the Senhor Santo
Cristo festival.

As for timing, it depends on the purpose of your trip.  If you want to do
any serious research while you're there, you should check to make sure the
archives will be open.  I went to the Arquivo in Ponta Delgada on our first
full day there, and I stayed all day.  It's a good thing I did, because
there were a couple of holidays while we were there--Day of Portugal and
Day of the Azores.  So I went to the Arquivo on Thursday, Friday was a
holiday, Saturday and Sunday were weekend days (Arquivo closed), and Monday
was another holiday.  Since I had planned on one day of research and the
rest of the time for touring the island, everything worked out OK.  But if
I had saved the Arquivo for Friday or Monday, I would have been terribly
disappointed.

As for the weather, it was comfortably cool--sunny in Ponta Delgada but
foggy or rainy up in the mountains.  We were told that the really warm,
sunny days wouldn't come until July and August.  That's Sao Miguel,
though.  The weather on Pico and Sao Jorge may be different.

I'm sure you'll enjoy your trip.  The Azores are beautiful!

Nancy



On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 11:19 PM, Vivian Christy wrote:

>
> I am thinking of going for a week in May 2012.  Is that a bad time of the
> year?  I
>

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