Re: Alex Podolinsky
I just caught up with Alex a few weeks ago. He and Frances Porter were doing a tour of Demeter properties up the east coast of Australia, up past the Atherton Tablelands, as far as I know, and back down the coast to Victoria. He didn't seem like a man to lay back and "enjoy his moment of glory in the sun". He's still working hard for Biodynamics and is mentally alert and fully on top of things - I don't think there's anything going on here that he isn't aware of, for example. Alex's priority is with people who are serious about growing food for other people, on a scale he thinks is worth his time and trouble. He has no time for people who have an "interest" in BD or are just curious. As he says, there are other vehicles for these people. I have always been impressed by Alex and even more so at this last meeting. Dear Graeme, On this we have agreement. Lest we forget, we all make our mistakes, even Alex. But Alex's dedication and enthusiasm are something I've long admired greatly. When his time comes, may he die with his boots on. Best, Hugh Visit our website at: www.unionag.net ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: Fwd from Greg Willis: Dornach, Trademarks, Reformation and Me
>Aint it grand we have this forum to communicate through. >GA > >_ Dear Glen, et. al., It's a great truth. The more eclectic the better. Hugh Visit our website at: www.unionag.net ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: Dornachian reactions?
Dear Ron, It isn't ready yet. Once it is I will publish in booklet form and make it available. But for now the Queensland workshops will aid in its revision. Hugh >Hugh, >I understand you've assembled a booklet on the process of atmospheric >re-organization for rain-making, which you will be making available to the >folks on your Australia trip. How do those of us, your customers in in the >States get hold of a copy? >Ron >-----Original Message- >From: Hugh Lovel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: Biodynamic Food and Farming Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Date: Saturday, June 28, 2003 8:27 AM >Subject: Re: Dornachian reactions? > > >>Dear James, >> >>How are you doing it? >> >>Incidentally, I've been finding out more about Don Croft's "cloudbuster" >>which is not a cloudbuster but an atmospheric reorganizer. Yes, it not only >>is safe to set up and leave working at all times, it is highly desirable. >>God, have we been getting the rain. All the lakes are full and overflowing. >> >>Hugh >> >> >>>I hope that you all enjoy Hugh's tour to NZ as his ideas on atmospheric >>>regeneration is worth listening to. The devil is in how you do it. More >>>after the tour. >>>James Hedley >>> >>Visit our website at: www.unionag.net >>___ >>BDNow mailing list >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>You can unsubscribe or change your options at: >>http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow >> > >___ >BDNow mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >You can unsubscribe or change your options at: >http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow Visit our website at: www.unionag.net ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
500 and 501 effects
Glen, Wish I had time for this discussion now as it has been occupying much of my thought. You know how an onion is so cosmic above ground and so earthly with its fan of roots below, Or how spinach is so cosmic with its tap root but so earthly with its rosette of leaves? So we gotta get this cosmic/earthly force/substance thing tagged with concrete examples all over the place instead of merely talking vague generalities. And when we visit we'll discuss the vortex periodic table some more. I still haven't gotten your geometric system integrated in my thinking, but I do know you are on to something. What am I, dense?, that I don't grasp your philosophical system so easily as all that? Could be, but I do find it hard to get a handle on. It's like abstract art. Cool, but what do you do with it? Well, I know you explain and predict with it, but I don't. Not yet. And there's the rub. Best, Hugh Hugh Now let's take this example and go through it tagging all the little components of the process with "earthly forces, cosmic forces, earthly substances, cosmic substances." For example, nitrogen feeds/builds the human head and its activities, so it must come from the soil. So we have to look for the substances and forces coming from the head / soil as a double process not a single one What is Silica coming upwards and what is Calcium coming upwards??? Physically we have all sorts of Cations - Ca Mg Na K etc these are diamagnetic elements and therefore can be seen as part of the Earthly substance. WE then have anions in N, P, S etc as well as paramagnetic elements which would be seen as the physical Si or Cosmic force elements Energetically we have forces coming from the Earth upwards too The "Cosmic forces" / outer planet 1 forces are those that carry the archetype of the the plant upwards, in doing so they thrust the plant upwards and work on the strength of the cell wall and the basis for the silica structures of the plant The "Earthly substance' activity are the calcium process inner planet 2, that are active in germination and cell division ie the number of cell devided, and physically are concerned with the development of amount and quality of the tissue structure in the plant. The quality of this Earthly Substance / Calcium process working in with the cosmic foces / Si process determines the structural quality of any plant as it grows into space. We off course can talk about how if the Cosmic Forces dominate we get tap roots, if the Earthly substance dominates we get the ramified roots and so on. If the Cosmic Forces do not move upwards as they should then the stalks are weak, there is no archetypal impulse for the atmospheric Silica / Earthly forces to hook on to to allow for flowering, let alone seed formation or for fruit to blow out. If the Earthly substance /Earthly Ca is not active then the plant tissues are weak, undernourished and therefore break down and rot easily. This is the rot of Ca in fungal control. Cell division is not great and so the fruit does not have many cells to be filled out by the mass devlopment of the Atmospheric Ca / cosmic substance. Oxygen feeds/builds the limbs and their activities so it must come from the air. That is because--as Steiner so cogently pointed out--we must develop our head organization out of what we take in from eating (earthly, below ground stuff like lime, phosphorus, nitrogen), while we develop our limbs and metabolic system out of what we take in by breathing (cosmic, above ground stuff like oxygen, carbon, sliica). So in the above ground limbs, where is this a two fold process The Oxygen with its inherenet association to the etheric body provide at least a partial hint. In the metabolism we need to look for the Cosmic substance and Earthly forces. The Oxygen you mention as the the mass developer coming from our breathing, is the homeopathic calcium RS mentions in the atmosphere, which does the same thing. This is all the plant potentised 'susbstance' that the plant has exuded out into the atmosphere via transpiration. Callum Coates so eloquently describes this process in 'Living Water'on pg 220?? or there abouts when he talks about the flow of water through the plant. He describes how the water comes to the soil with its atmosphereic N, exchanges this for cations which are taken up into the plant. As the water spirals thru the ever decreasing 'veins'of the plant, the elements are taken out of the water while in turn the water is potentised via the vacuums created by the spiralling. Hence the water then carrys the activity of the substances it once carried. This is transpired into the atmosphere, hence becoming part of the World Etheric activity carried in the atmospheric moisture we experience as dew. It is then drawn into the plant again both through the stomata and also directly by the plants 'personal etheric body', This is the Cosmic Substance / Calcium process and by itself develops MASS. Left to itself it creates emorphous 'fat'
Re: Dornachian reactions?
Dear James, How are you doing it? Incidentally, I've been finding out more about Don Croft's "cloudbuster" which is not a cloudbuster but an atmospheric reorganizer. Yes, it not only is safe to set up and leave working at all times, it is highly desirable. God, have we been getting the rain. All the lakes are full and overflowing. Hugh >I hope that you all enjoy Hugh's tour to NZ as his ideas on atmospheric >regeneration is worth listening to. The devil is in how you do it. More >after the tour. >James Hedley > Visit our website at: www.unionag.net ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: Dornachian reactions?/certification
Thanks Graeme, I think Elliot and I are around the same age, but of course both of us are much jnior to Helen and Scott Nearing, John and Helen Philbrick, etc. Hugh >... >Otherwise I am in agreement with your other comments on >certification. Spot on as we convicts say! >-- >Graeme Gerrard >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >___ >BDNow mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >You can unsubscribe or change your options at: >http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow Visit our website at: www.unionag.net ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: Fwd: Prep 500 and 501 effects
Glen, I look forward eagerly to discussion with you as e-mail is entirely too inadequate. Hugh Hugh The main reference we need to refer to is the diagram in lec 8- pg 155 I think. >From what you have said below you have what RS is saying re Cosmic and Earthly nutrition streams in humans which is a 4 fold story. With plants though you keep telling a 3 fold story. So apply your 4 fold understanding of humans to plants Double Head forces = below ground Double Metabolic system = above ground. Dear Glen, I'm sure I still don't have it straight. I'm very visual in my thinking, meaning I want to picture things unfolding in my mind so I can see the processes unfolding and be able to cite examples everyone can relate to in everyday experience. It leaves me in limbo to say 'double head forces' and only works when I can say WHAT double head forces, as in carrot or turnip and ant or earthworm and what these DO. For example, watch ants living on Florida sugar sand and you'll see they delve down and mine clay, bringing it up to the surface where it is so badly needed to serve as the intermediary between the silica forces rising out of the earth and the nutrient uptake by the plant that the silica forces provide the pressure but not the connection for. Clay provides the connection (though not the pressure) and on those soils where there's 60 feet of sand before you hit the limestone below, perennial peanut needs this clay to connect with the lime below and bring it up. With all that sand there's plenty of pressure, but the lime's deep down. The peanut gets there with its tap root (which takes it 3 or 4 years to delve that deep, but once it does--step back!) but it needs a bit of clay to do so. Ants go down and search out the clay (there usually is little enough down there) and bring it up so the peanut can catch on a lot better. Once the peanut gets to the lime, the soil it's in (pH 5.2, CEC 2) will improve of itself with rotational graizing and you'll see that sugar sand colour up with grey/browns and the pH and CEC will climb as the plant pulls carbon in from the atmosphere and feeds it to the soil, while the soil pulls nitrogen in and feeds it to the plant. The cow eats the peanut forage and digests the carbon and nitrogen, feeding the carbon back to the air and the nitrogen back to the soil. Now let's take this example and go through it tagging all the little components of the process with "earthly forces, cosmic forces, earthly substances, cosmic substances." For example, nitrogen feeds/builds the human head and its activities, so it must come from the soil. Oxygen feeds/builds the limbs and their activities so it must come from the air. That is because--as Steiner so cogently pointed out--we must develop our head organization out of what we take in from eating (earthly, below ground stuff like lime, phosphorus, nitrogen), while we develop our limbs and metabolic system out of what we take in by breathing (cosmic, above ground stuff like oxygen, carbon, sliica). If we break everything down like this I believe it will be a lot clearer from tieing it in to real/life examples like the ant, earthworm; perennial peanut, cow; silica, clay and lime, etc. Sorry, but I never seem to get there by way of these soaring abstractions that are free and clear of any examples and any real-life, gutsy, look-at-this stuff. I have to tie it into the things in nature I can point to as examples. I'm always amazed by anyone who can grasp these things as purely abstract principles and yet never seems to come up with the example-after-example thing. Hell, everything in nature is an example. I really must get to the endless examples immediately or there's nothing to ground my thinking and it sails off into la-la land like nitrogen in the atmosphere. I need some lime in my thinking to drag nitrogen into my head organization and light up my conscious thinking. Best, Hugh Visit our website at: www.unionag.net ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: Alex Podolinsky
>Hi all > >Finally have heard word that Alex Podolinsky will be talking at the uni in >Orange on the first weekend of August. Unsure of the details but will post >these when confirmed. I'd be happy to put questions to him on behalf of >others. Keeping in mind what Hamish has written; I can't help but think if >not for this man would there be any Biodynamic groups in Australia today? > >Allan I'll do my best to tape the talk, but you may have to wait to hear it >on our website? > >L&L >Liz > >___ >BDNow mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >You can unsubscribe or change your options at: >http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow Folks? You want to know what I liked, nay, cherished and admired, about Alex Podolinsky? He faithfully answered every letter I ever wrote to him, and I wrote him twice, needing help and guidance but not wanting to be a pest, many long years ago. I had a sense he really cared, whatever else may have been. I will always be thinking to care as well myself, though I find many letters slip through the cracks. Hugh Lovel Visit our website at: www.unionag.net ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: water consumption
Hamish? Who is to measure these things? How could a BD farmer be trusted by outsiders to do it? Reduction of water requirements on my farm, the way I farm it, are HUGE, but I don't know how to accurately measure them as I have such variable weather and no data base of what it was prior to BD (and this historically would be BD the way I did it market gardening 6 acres through 5 drought years with no irrigation). I have had beautiful market radishes that from planting the seed to harvest never saw a rain, and gorgeous bouquets of autumn greens (mustard, rape and turnip) with no rain in six weeks. (ask Victor Landa who bought them by the case for his CSA in Washington, DC) I dislike all these "scientific study" things as it ends up boiling down to believing in people's credentials and asking what axes they are grinding anyway. My penis is longer than yours, so there (some outlaws hijacked my website address) Such comparissons strike me as far too rude. I'll take Victor's orders for more greens FedEx, more seriously though. Hugh Lovel Can anyone give me some hard data on reduction of water requirements on Biodynamic land? would be appreciated aye Hamish Mackay ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow Visit our website at: www.unionag.net ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: Fwd: Prep 500 and 501 effects
activities again I see the need to establish a difference between 3 fold and four fold 3 fold is easy enough to see as the horn preps 501 Horn Clay ( bentonite) and 500 4 fold though I see at the moment unsheathed substances Clay, Sand, Humus and Lime. So I see a great difference between bentonite Horn Clay and unpreped more silicious clay. I note you do not. SO to be strict we probably should only talk of forces and substance when describing internal plant processes, while when discussing external processes of the soil and atmosphere we can talk of Si and Ca. I appreciate it is easier to smudge the fine boarders between these words for convenience, as I have done many times. I guess it is a bit like in chemistry, to you hydrates and hydrites are different things but for me its all hydrogen. SO I hope this helps you, it has sure helped me clarify things for myself. Thanks. It would be good to fit a session into your schedule when you are over here to take this further? Glen, you refer to your chart with the four levels on it. I've lost my copy and can't put my hands on it. You can get the BD Decoded picture now from my website http://get.to/garuda/pictures So I don't get very far in that direction. And if I'm not getting it, I wonder how many others are. Im sure it is confusing for many folks. It appears to have remained unclear for the last 70 yrs to most BDers to the point of not dealing with it. I find I have to look for concrete examples of these things, such as cosmic silica and earthly silica; cosmic lime and earthly lime. Such things as the earthly lime in the cranium is what anchors and encloses the cosmic silica alight in the brain. Yes and this is pretty much what I understand. Also ( I need to sharpen the details) From the substance we eat( Earthly matter / Ter Ca) , forces are liberated which go to make up the substance of our brains. Better food = better forces = a better brain. No doubt the Ca plays in with Si to effect brain tissue as you suggest. This brain substance then becomes a reflector of the cosmic forces coming to us from the cosmos and from the collective unconscious. Hence thoughts are reflections of outside influences, which of course fits with the influence of the planets and the astrality, I see. Our bulk ,Muscles etc come from breathing, Cosmic Calcium and sense impressions, Earthly Silica Or, rather the cosmic silica conducts the nerve impulses in the brain and down the spinal column, and it is the phosphorus that lights it up and the nitrogen that provides consciousness. But then we have lime in the muscles that must be there for the muscles to relax and silica in the hair and nails that form our furthest contact with the world around us. Isn't that cosmic lime in the muscles? As I understand it yes Or maybe not. Maybe it too is earthly lime as it must meet the cosmic silica stream from the brain in the muscles. Maybe the cosmic lime is all in the digestion and then where is the earthly silica? External sense impressions that impact on us, smells, sounds etc as opposed to Cosmic forces which are more what we would define as astrality, collective unconscious, whispers from God and so on. There is silica in the air around us and it forms most of the finest dust particles in the air. This is all described in the material on Cosmic and Earthly nutrition streams. I will have to look up the details to be totally clear. cheers Glen A I want to be able to point to the quartz rocks in my garden as earthly silica and then, since the silica in the air is derived from the upwelling silica from within the earth, isn't it too, earthly silica? Doesn't it become cosmic silica when it is taken up by a plant such as wheat, corn or bamboo shoots and ingested, digested, circulated in the blood until it becomes hardened and mineralized again such as in the hair or fingernails? Surely cosmic and earthly lime and silica switch back from one polarity to the other depending on how they are functioning. Or do they? I can't deal with all these abstractions and never a concrete example. Very, very confusing indeed. Can you help clear up this muddle for me? I know we build muscles by breathing, so I thought that would be the cosmic lime function. But we stabilize and anchor our thinking with that good old mineralized lime in our bony heads, eh? Best, Hugh Lovel Visit our website at: www.unionag.net ___BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow Visit our website at: www.unionag.net ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: Dornachian reactions?/certification
>Hi Glen, >I do agree with much that you say here, but you start with saying no >one is criticising anyone except the organisations but this is not >true. People are singling out individuals (just re-read recent posts >in this thread, including your own comments below). It just makes >the genuine points of criticism seem like sour grapes. > >But the certification issue is a big one. I have just been involved. . . Dear List, Of course, writers on this list sometimes disparrage others either on this list or off it. A couple cases in point are: >> People are using the real preps, (as though homeopathic and radionically prepared preps are not real) and > One or two people >dominate to the detriment of all others. (as though assuming the role of victim was the chief if not the only option in this situation) I myself am far from immune to falling into such traps, and in pointing out the above I too am tarred with the above as everyone will recognize the authors of these statements. I happen to have an extremely critical nature which I have to work hard on keeping in check and often fall short. This is at least humbling if not (usually) humiliating. But Hamish has the best point I've heard voiced on this list in a long time: Yes Biodynamics is growing in Australia. We have a number of Biodynamic associations around the country and the 2 biggest have very different cultures. to me that matters not. what matters is that people are "having a go". The second most important is that we share our experiences in the light of the laws of the free spiritual life. when our sharing descends below this level it does no-one any credit, but even then we need to have some modesty and tolerance. Like our Biodynamic practices we don't always get it right first go. With that said, please let me address certification. We are free to certify or not to. Here in the US some of the better known pioneers of the organic movement--Elliott Coleman and myself for two--have opted out of certification now that the government has taken it over by force. Why? We don't want to lend our good names to what we perceive as a prostitution of the founding ideals of the movement. I don't think it has so much to do with size. Some very large growers have a reputation for reliable quality--Lundberg rice, Coleman beef, etc. that far transcends the organic label. Arrowhead Mills had it at one time and hasn't entirely lost it after changing hands. What does organic certification mean to me?, and I routinely buy certified organic when presented with a choice that is otherwise not clear. If you can imagine this, recently the congressman of my home district, Nathan Deal, attached a rider to a key appropriation bill allowing chicken raisers to feed whatever feed was available to their birds and still label them organic under the government standards. This measure passed and took several months to repeal, though it created a rather vocal public outcry. Personally I love such shenanigans because they point up the folly of government certification as a means of assuring the consumer gets quality products. It always has been and will be necessary for buyers to be wary. Certification in my view is no substitute for grower integrity, and buyers might best become acquainted with their growers, whether large or small, and buy from the growers they know have integrity whenever possible. I relish each and every opportunity to tell inquirents that now we are not certified organic. We opted out of that process after many years of pioneering participation because we feel it has cashed in its heritage for a mess of porridge. Is life any worse for me today than when the public hardly knew organic existed? No. Selling quality is still the same. You only get across to those who really tune in to quality and have educated their taste for it and are willing to pay, whatever the cost of it. Sometimes it is cheap, sometimes dear, but they seek it out and you don't fool them with certified garbage. I treasure having such customers--the celebs who buy a year's supply of my garlic every year because it is the best they've ever had, to the 6 year old who eats four helpings of my mashed potatoes and throws up his thumb with, "The BEST I've evah had!" Certification, whether I chose to go for it or not, was never even close to being as satisfying as such knowledgable, discerning customers whose allegiance I knew I had won by being uncompromising about quality. There is no substitute for quality food. Steiner envisioned it would lift those who ate it above their "personal ambition, illusions and petty jealousies." It was the vision of such food that led me into farming, eventually to discover biodynamics as an answer to my sincerest prayers. Biodynamic farmers do not always achieve this ideal such as I envisioned, and biodynamic certification does not guarantee it. I have not always achieved it myself--far from it--and there are times when I fail
Re: Dornachian reactions?
Dear Hugh Thanks for an interesting note - your mexican friend is obviously enjoying his success. I think the major problem with the old guard in Australia was one of communication (lack of it) , that disenchanted farmer that I quoted said " Alex wont address the problem", it should have been up to the farmer himself to recognise the problem in its early stages and to do something positive about it himself, and after twenty or so years as a practicing, certified, Biodynamic producer he should have been equipped to do that without needing to call on the services of the master. Lloyd, This is too, too right, and is one of the important differences between Cheryl and Hamish's group and Alex's. Cheryl and Hamish spur their farmers on to ever greater heights and though this makes them a bit dependent on the central leadership for ever more and better learning experiences, in the long run there is a wealth of very, very BD wise and capable farmers out there instead of one Guru. Striving for certification is part of the problem - there are rewards for organic certified produce - but I think only isolated opportunities for further premiums (above organic) from Demeter and then only for restricted quantities and specific situations. Our newer (Biodynamic Agriculture) organisation has taken a more open and educational position and many farmers are learning to do things for themselves. There will be more mistakes made for sure, but learning always involves mistakes. Again, too right. If you aren't making any mistakes you aren't learning anything, and you probably aren't even doing very much. If the traditionalists manage to take over that organisation (and its likely, politics being what it is ) Let's hope it takes them a while. But you're right that it is the way of organizations. Henry David Thoreau said, "Just as when there is a lull in a storm a snowdrift piles up, when there is a lull in the truth an organization springs up." Best, Hugh then there are enough of us free thinking loonies on the outside to carry things forward whatever happens. I believe that homeopathic remedies and what I term low level radionics - field broadcasters, potentiser instruments, (and probably some of the paper based systems), combined with dowsing and basic soil remineralising are the way of the future for agriculture. Energy farming! I sure have met some interesting people in the last few years! Cheers all Lloyd Charles ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow Visit our website at: www.unionag.net ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: Dornachian reactions?
>Mr. Lovel, what radionic instrument do you recommend??? I will have time to >work with it this season...sstorch >___ >BDNow mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >You can unsubscribe or change your options at: >http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow Dear Steve, I recommend whatever one or ones you feel at ease and in good humor working with. I've found both the Hieronymus type (using variable capaticance and rates) and the Malcolm Rae type (using variable inductance and cards) are effective in agriculture, though for my taste the Malcolm Rae type is more versatile. What is your sense of what you'd like? Don Mattioda up in Avon, CT by you makes very good Hieronymus types and so does Peter Kelly in Lakemont, GA by me. The Malcolm Rae types have to be ordered from England or Australia. Best, Hugh Visit our website at: www.unionag.net ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: Dornachian reactions?
Lloyd Charles wrote: >in Australia Alex Podolinsky >owns the [Demeter] trademark and would probably suffer a stroke if he caught one of >his farmers using radionics - the number three Podolinsky man left the fold >recently and told a friend of mine (another who left) that "the farm is >stuffed, its lost all its energy and Alex wont address the problem" which >these guys say is in the preps being supplied - you use his preps OR ELSE. . >cheers >Lloyd Charles > Dear Lloyd, et. al., For some time I've questioned whether Alex's preps aren't quite good, and it is the way he is using them that is so wrong. For example, I've found it is a serious error to use the 500 without the 501, or the 501 without the 500. That is, I do it occasionally for special reasons such as driving rain away, but I don't do it often. And several other of the preps should be applied in the atmosphere but are not. 506 (fruiting), 507 (blossoming) and 508 (ripening) should all be applied in the atmosphere, but often enough only the 508 is and sometimes even the 508 is left out of atmospheric treatments. I think if Alex had made his current mistakes using radionics he would have noticed them a lot earlier on while he might have been more able to change his ways with little embarassment. Now, however, he would have to have a really secure, expansive ego to admit errors of such magnitude and long standing. It would take a really enormous personality to do that (Like Jeff Poppen, whose conference is coming up in Red Boiling Springs, Tennessee in mid September.). However, my take on this is that radionic/homeopathic biodynamics is so easy and so effective we can do far, far more of it and see a lot more in terms of what results from various applications. Thus we learn a lot more about biodynamics a lot faster. A LOT! For this reason, if no others, I personally feel we are leaving the old school behind. They cannot possibly grow as fast nor accomplish the kinds of results we are accomplishing using radionics and homeopathy. Here is an example from a rancher using radionics and biodynamics in Mexico. I made him a set of Malcolm Rae biodynamic prep cards and a grasshopper card for his specific locust pest the way Peter Reuhmkorpf showed me (Field Grasshopper, Shistocera piceifrons , Elizondo, Tamaulipas, Mex. 5-20-03) He has a soil with a cation exchange capacity of 53 and nearly 30% Magnesium, so he has very tight clay that would be terribly expensive to balance minerally. Thus he has some mineral imbalances that result in fierce insect problems on some crops. But look at what he is doing and the success he is having, farming 800 hectares with a couple field broadcasters, a Malcolm Rae one card instrument with built in interrupter ($530 US), a pendulum and a few homeopathic cards. Plus, if he is at one ranch and he calls the other one and they have a problem, he can treat it radionically from his map of the ranch without having to drive over there (about 45 Kilometres). I suspect it won't be long before he gets a second instrument so he can treat both farms at the same time with different treatments. Of course, right now if he wants to give both farms the same treatment all he has to do is use both maps at the same time. Take a look at what he says: DEAR HUGH.- I HAD GOOD SUCCES WITH THE RAIN AND CLEARER SKYS USING THE PENDULUM FOR THE TIMES TO TURN ON AND OFF THE MALCOM RAE. ALSO THE LOCUSTS IN COLORADAS DIED OR WENT AWAY OR DEPOSITED THEIR EGGS AND DIED. I USED THE MALCOM RAE ON COLORADAS 24 HOURS A DAY AND IT SEEMS TO HAVE WORKED VERY WELL. I TURN THE TREAT SWICH MORNING AND AFTERNOON FOR THE BIODYNAMIC REMEDIES EVERY DAY AND GOT VERY GOOD GROWTH AND 3 INCHES OF RAIN WICH WAS BADLY NEEDED. THEN I TURNED THE MALCOM RAE TO POTRANCAS TO DO THE SAME ( IT HAD ALREADY RAINED 3 INCHES IN POTRANCAS ) AND HOPE WILL GET RID OF THE LOCUSTS WHICH ARE THERE IN GREAT NUMBERS. . . . JAIME Admitedly he misses out on the charming luxury of stirring and spraying, but he is getting rain, growing better crops than ever before, and getting rid of his grasshoppers without poisons where formerly he had to spray insecticide no matter the danger and expense. He's farming 800 hectares split up into two ranches, one grass dairy and one grass beef, guys. This stuff is not only effective, it is easy and cheap, cheap. So traditional biodynamics? It simply can't approach the ease and effectiveness of radionic/homeopathic biodynamics. I've heard a few traditional folks grouch that we should state on all our labels on our farms and crops that we are using radionics/homeopathics. I quite agree. We have every reason to be proud of the way we are practicing biodynamics. I'm all for such labeling, as it will make us stand out with considerable distinction. What do you think, Lloyd, Gil, James, Glen, Peter, Arjen, etc.? Incidentally, I quite agree that this sort of approach has advanced biodynamics and gotten more people to practice it in the past 5 years tha
Re: For Hugh Lovel needs to contact Tony
Dear Tony, I think I got the message--about July instead of September? A silly error. I hope our e-mail communication problems are finished. Best, Hugh Hi folks Apologies for this but i am trying to contact HUGH Lovel urgently as he he has inot replied to a prvate post sent WED. Thanks for your understanding Hugh Did you get my message WED inregards to your travel plans to NZ I need you reply asap.I also resent the message today. Cheers Tony R ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow Visit our website at: www.unionag.net ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: Dornachian reactions?
Dear Arjen,
Though I consider my farming biodynamic in the best sense of the word, I do
not have Demeter certification and do not intend to ever get it. Not only
is it expensive and meaningless to me, but I feel Anne Mendenhall should
resign after trademarking the term "biodynamic" and then immediately
forbidding some within our movement to use the term unless they were
Demeter certified. I'm waiting for her to sue me for use of the term
biodynamic.
I might add, however, that so far as I know the Demeter Association in the
US does not certify the use of the Steiner remedies in any homeopathic
forms, no matter Lily Kolisko's work (dilution and succussion up to 60x) or
my own use of Malcolm Rae homeopathic cards and radionic instruments.
Nevertheless thousands and thousands of acres of crops are grown in the US,
Canada, Mexico and Australia with the Steiner agricultural remedies used
homeopathically and radionically. Often enough the quality of these crops
is equal to or surpasses the quality of crops grown with the traditional
stirring and spraying applications of Steiner's remedies.
The truth is many farmers would not use the BD preps at all if they had to
stir and spray the old way. Then again here in the US many who stir and
spray the old way simply are not interested in Demeter certification, and
probably will never be. So you figure.
So few consumers in the US have any idea of what Demeter certification
might mean that the issue is moot here anyway. However, in Germany I
understand the Demeter symbol does indeed mean something to a significant
number of consumers. I wonder if there is any interest in coming to a
meeting of the minds on these things or whether the European Demeter
organization will continue to ignore homeopathy and radionics?
I would have to agree with Manfred Klett that your BD farmers must and
should feel free to violate this absurd law and put it to the test. I think
he is quite correct in taking this position. But that will have its costs
even though it must be done. So good luck. I support those who violate this
bad law with both my prayers and my heartfelt well wishes. Sorry I don't
have any cash to help out with.
But if you want to do BD without breaking the law? Yes, it can be done, and
it is both easy and very, very effective.
Best,
Hugh Lovel
>A lot of European bdgrowers use the Demeter-symbol and get a higher price
>for their products than for ordinary organic products. Part of the
>requirements for using the Demeter-symbol is the ('traditional') use of the
>preps, not radionically applied but physically stirring and spraying.
>Manfred Klett (the head of the agricultural section in the
>Goetheanum-Dornach) suggests '... in the meantime we have to feel free to
>act illegally...'
>The Demeter certification bodies in Europe are strict: no application of
>preps: no Demeter symbol. I knew a bdfarmer in Germany who invented his own
>preparation and applied it succesfully; he wanted to use it in stead of
>Steiner's preps. The reaction of the Demeterbund was: if you don't use
>Steiner's preps, than it is not Demeter, no matter how well his prep works
>or any discussion.
>I was just wondering what the attitude of the Demeter certification bodies
>in USA, OZ, NZ is towards radionically applied preps/ Malcolm Rae cards,
>etc. Or does nobody carry a Demeter symbol there?
>Arjen
>
>
>At 21:57 19/06/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>>How does this help if one cannot make all the BD preps except Valerian? The
>>new EU rules are no animals parts to be used for prep. making. Same problem
>>for anthr. homeopathic medicine.
>>Michael
>>
>>- Original Message -
>>From: "Hugh Lovel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>To: "Biodynamic Food and Farming Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 6:18 PM
>>Subject: Re: Dornachian reactions?
>>
>>
>> > Arjen,
>> >
>> > The best of health to you for visiting our e-mail list. It has bit a bit
>> > unfortunate that our English language e-mail list has left out Germans.
>>You
>> > should be full participants, but there is the language barrierier.
>> >
>> > So now you want to know about how we can circumvent these rulings.?
>> >
>> > One way would be working withn Malcolm Rae cards and English radionic
>> > instruments of the biodynamic preparations in homeopathic usages. Please
>> > inquire further.
>> >
>> > Best,
>> > Hugh
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > >Hallo,
>> > >
>> > >It is really interesting stuff that people are working with here,
>> > >especially the cosmic pipes, homeopathic peppering and use r
Re: Dornachian reactions?
Arjen, The best of health to you for visiting our e-mail list. It has bit a bit unfortunate that our English language e-mail list has left out Germans. You should be full participants, but there is the language barrierier. So now you want to know about how we can circumvent these rulings.? One way would be working withn Malcolm Rae cards and English radionic instruments of the biodynamic preparations in homeopathic usages. Please inquire further. Best, Hugh >Hallo, > >It is really interesting stuff that people are working with here, >especially the cosmic pipes, homeopathic peppering and use radionic >instruments and cards. According to the feedback on this list, it seems >like these things work as good, or even better, than the original thing. At >the same time we struggle in Europe with legislation that prohibits the >making of the preparations, but the official point of view (regarding the >ban on burying animal material) from the Goetheanum is (quote Manfred >Klett) '... in the meantime we have to feel free to act illegally...' >We only need one malignent journalist to broadcast these 'illegal' >practices into public and along with some juicy allegations we can throw >away our dear Demeter symbol. >I would be interested to know the different points of view of the >respective BDAA's in USA, OZ and NZ, as apparently there is a much more >free approach to the use of the preps. Any contact with Dornach? Has Hugh >already delivered a lecture at the Landbautagung? > >Arjen Huese > >___ >BDNow mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >You can unsubscribe or change your options at: >http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow Visit our website at: www.unionag.net ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: BD Down under
Dear Merla, Just finished a workshop in Traverse City, Michigan. We covered these issues from the easy side. I'd love to show you. But I only got 2 out of 100 that were interested in my presentation at Moscow, November 7, 8 at your Idaho Organic meet. Don't know if I can get there on so slim a shoelace. But, you are right that homeopathy and biodynamics the stir and spray way is much too hard. I'd love to show you radionics. Best, Hugh >James, it took us hours and hours to spray our tansy and knapweed D-8 >solution six times (two different weeks when the moon was in a fire sign). >We came home at midnight twice. I think radionics is the answer for large >acreages. I'm still trying to understand how to potentize 4 gallons of D-7 >pepper. What do you use to put it in to hang it from a tree and whack the >&*#!!! out of it? I'm still wondering if I ground the ash correctly and >potentized each succession correctly. Whenever I start doing radionics, >that's going to be a whole new level of learning what to do on a material >level and on a spiritual level. > >Best, > >Merla > >James Hedley wrote: > >> Greetings from the Land of the Wizards of Oz, :-) >> Earlier this month 6 members of Central West Biodynamic Group had a >> social prep spraying day at one of our members who had been drastically >> effected by the drought. >> We had 2 stirring machines (one 60 gallon and a 90 gallon) and 2 sets of >> flow forms running into a 400 litter tank, along with the brand new fire >> tanker which bought the water for the spraying out. As usual there was >> some problem with at least one pump, nothing much that a few willing >> hands couldn't fix. The first load of spray headed out at about 3'oclock >> and continued on until after dark. Back up again before daylight to get >> the 501 out. In all we got preps out over 200 acres that were sown that >> weekend as the gods must have heard that the preps were going out and >> gave us an inch of rain. The property is 1500 acres with around 800 >> acres under cultivation, so it would have taken all of us at least 4 >> days to put out the preps only on the cultivation area.The whole >> exercise gave all of us a n insight into the difficulties of broad acre >> application of BD preps. Itut the preps out in between stirring and >> spraying >> The biggest problem is that the time when the preps go out usually >> coincides with the time for sowing. In many instances the sowing gets >> done and the preps wait for a less busy time(if there is one). It is >> easy to see that there is a future for radionics in broad acre cropping. >> Our member manages 1500 acres by himself, quite a feat. It is not >> uncommon in Australian cropping for one man to manage very large areas. >> Just try sowing down 800 acres in a few days because there is enough >> rainfall to at least get a germination, even although there is minimal >> subsoil moisture. >> One must give full praise to the broad acre farmers who have not even >> come out of drought yet still expend large amounts of money to put >> another crop in, full of hope and not much else there for them. For many >> farmers it will be very tough, if they can hang on, if there is no crop >> this year. >> Something like 95% of NSW is still drought affected, although >> fortunately our property has had 22 inches of rain since March. >> We had really good mileage from Hugh Lovel's Workshop at Albury, however >> I have found that Radionic broadcast of sea water and the use of >> Radionic color therapy on the atmosphere has enabled the rain to move in >> a further 30 km from the east. More on the results of sea water >> broadcast in another post. >> Regards >> James Hedley >> >> ___ >> BDNow mailing list >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> You can unsubscribe or change your options at: >> http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow > >___ >BDNow mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >You can unsubscribe or change your options at: >http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow Visit our website at: www.unionag.net ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: Hugh Lovel visits New Zealand July
Dear Louise, More or less YES. I'm working on a version and will have to send you the pagesby air mail. They may or may not be the same as I send to Australia, but there will be a lot of similarity. Hugh Hugh Does this mean that those in Australia will also get a copy??? Louise Berry - Original Message - From: Hugh Lovel To: Biodynamic Food and Farming Discussion Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 10:22 AM Subject: Re: Hugh Lovel visits New Zealand July Thanks, Tony, I've got to work out my travel itinerary yet, so this will help. When do you want me to arrive in Aukland? Still working on the manual, but used it the first draft for my rain workshop in Santa Fe, New Mexico this past weekend. We made almost an inch of gentle, soaking rain at the target site--less the farther away it was. The site was Kenny Ausubel's ranch in the Sangre de Christos mountains outside of Santa Fe. He is the founder of Bioneers and one of the founders of Seeds of Change, and needless to say he was highly pleased as they were having a drought. Anyway the booklet needs much more work before I send you a copy to publish for the workshops. I'll keep working on it, but it will be good. Same deal as before you folks can publish and sell as a gift from me. But this one will be way, way practical. Best, Hugh Hi to NZ BD subcribers this is the programme for Hugh Lovel's visit to NZ in July.Hope to see you all there. Regards Tony Robinson Agricultural Remedies. How to Make the Biodynamic Preparations Work Better. Hugh Lovel is the principal of the Union Agriculture Institute inBlairsville, Georgia, USA. He is one of the leading Biodynamic consultants in the US. He visited NZ in 2000. Hugh says, "Much of what I have to offer is my understanding of BD, and the various ways of using it." A compassionate, highly intelligent writer/consultant with a true, creative insight and a wonderful turn of phrase. He has tirelessly promoted his great passion - the science of biodynamics. Workshop for Northland /Auckland SAT 19 July 10.00 am - 4.00pm Kiawaka Memorial Hall. Mangawhai Rd Kaiwaka. Register with Anne Dodds 09 435 3129 or Berndette Blair. 09 415 9044. Waikato / Bay of Plenty Wed 23rd July 10 am -4 pm Waikato Waldorf School 54 Borman Rd Hamilton Register with Tanja Benthien ph/fax 07 872 2545 Peter Bacchus 07 542 1914 e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hawkes Bay Friday 25th July 9.30 -3.30 Havelock North Community Centre, Te Mata Rd, Havelock North. Register with Cleone Armon 06 878 3128 Horowhenua, Manawatu, Wairapapa, Whanganui Sunday 27th July.10.00-4.00 Rambler Flowers 86 The Avenue [SH1] Please register with Enterprise Horowhenua 06 3670524. OR EMAIL organiser Tony Robinson: [EMAIL PROTECTED] for more details COST: $60 PER PERSON includes a practical manual Please BYO Lunch. Water, Tea, Coffee provided at all venues. ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow Visit our website at: www.unionag.net ___BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow Visit our website at: www.unionag.net ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: Hughs NZ visit
Hugh Apologies, e's sent to your personal email address keeps coming back to me If your timetable is still forming, and you have a spare day or night in Hawkes Bay, Caroline & I would like to invite you to stay with us at Ocean Beach, just near Hastings, by the vast Pacific ocean, for some R & R, which I am sure you will be deserving by then. cheers Glen A ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow Dear Glen, Much appreciated. I don't know yet what the schedule will end up being. I'll keep in touch. Hugh Visit our website at: www.unionag.net ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: prep making illegal in the EU
Dear Arjen, The Rae cards for the BD preps can be obtained from Magneto Geometric Applications, 45 Dowanhill Road, Catford, London SE6 1SX. These are cards with sector marks (for the frequencies of the substance) inside a series of seven concentric circles, and they are made to go in the reader slot of Malcolm Rae radionic instruments. The radionic instrument can then make any homeopathic potency of the substance represented by the card from 1X to 10MM or so simply by dialing the proper resistance value on a 0 to 1,000 dial type variable resistor. This instrument can save beaucoup time and effort and gets extremely reliable results. Because the potency is dialed in on the same number every time, the vagueries of measuring and succussing a series of vial to arrive at, say, a 30C potency are eliminated. I used to imagine that there was no way as good a homeopathic preparation could result from making it with a radionic instrument from a card or a rate rather than taking it out by serial dilution and succussion. But experience has taught me otherwise. Now whenever I have the choice of a homeopathic produced by serial dilution and succussion and one prepared radionically, all other things being responsibly done I would choose the radionically made homeopathic. Also with radionics the pattern of the remedy can be broadcast via a witness in the radionic device over any distance to an organism or location as if there was no distance. This is a function of Bell's Theorem in quantum mechanics--otherwise known as quantum non-locality. So the pattern can be used from the card without every making up a water or sugar tablet remedy from it. So it is very economical. As with any revolutionary development radionics has met with some incredulity and some resistance to change. But as far as I can see some version of radionics will end up sweeping the field in the next fifty years or so. It is just too cheap, easy and precise to be ignored. Best, Hugh Lovel >It is true about the making of the preparations being illegal here in >Europe at the moment. The problem is in the burying of the organs; after >all the animal diseases that we have had the last years (BSE, foot and >mouth, chicken disease now in Holland, etc) legislation has become very >strict on what you can and can't do with animal organs. > >So we either have to make them illegally, or ? There have been some >experiments in Holland by a creative BDfarmer who made the preparations >without the organs, by putting the herbs at a certain place in a replica >Cheops pyramide. Apparantly there are different levels in the pyramide, >that correspond with ...? > >I would love to hear from other people if they have any alternative ways of >manufacturing the preparations. What are these Rae cards that Loyd was >writing about last week? Apparantly there has been a lot of creativity in >applying them (broadcasters, BDmax ready-sprays, orgon accumulators), but >how about making them? Does everybody here follow the basic recipe? > >Arjen Huese > >___ >BDNow mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >You can unsubscribe or change your options at: >http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow Visit our website at: www.unionag.net ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: Fwd: Prep 500 and 501 effects
Dear Glen, et. al., Talk about confusing! Glen, you refer to your chart with the four levels on it. I've lost my copy and can't put my hands on it. So I don't get very far in that direction. And if I'm not getting it, I wonder how many others are. I find I have to look for concrete examples of these things, such as cosmic silica and earthly silica; cosmic lime and earthly lime. Such things as the earthly lime in the cranium is what anchors and encloses the cosmic silica alight in the brain. Or, rather the cosmic silica conducts the nerve impulses in the brain and down the spinal column, and it is the phosphorus that lights it up and the nitrogen that provides consciousness. But then we have lime in the muscles that must be there for the muscles to relax and silica in the hair and nails that form our furthest contact with the world around us. Isn't that cosmic lime in the muscles? Or maybe not. Maybe it too is earthly lime as it must meet the cosmic silica stream from the brain in the muscles. Maybe the cosmic lime is all in the digestion and then where is the earthly silica? There is silica in the air around us and it forms most of the finest dust particles in the air. I want to be able to point to the quartz rocks in my garden as earthly silica and then, since the silica in the air is derived from the upwelling silica from within the earth, isn't it too, earthly silica? Doesn't it become cosmic silica when it is taken up by a plant such as wheat, corn or bamboo shoots and ingested, digested, circulated in the blood until it becomes hardened and mineralized again such as in the hair or fingernails? Surely cosmic and earthly lime and silica switch back from one polarity to the other depending on how they are functioning. Or do they? I can't deal with all these abstractions and never a concrete example. Very, very confusing indeed. Can you help clear up this muddle for me? I know we build muscles by breathing, so I thought that would be the cosmic lime function. But we stabilize and anchor our thinking with that good old mineralized lime in our bony heads, eh? Best, Hugh Lovel Visit our website at: www.unionag.net ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: Hugh Lovel visits New Zealand July
Dear Peter, I don't know the trouble between here and NZ with the e-mail. For a while there I couldn't e-mail Tony Robinson either. Looking forward to seeing both you and Peter Proctor. I've tried to answer Gill's questions. In agriculture it is very difficult to do any kind of controlled experiment because such a wealth of factors are involved, none to ever again be precisely duplicated. So I tried to elucidate general principles for her and hopefully she can come up with a good experiment design. Best, Hugh Hi Hugh, Looking forward to seeing you out here again. I will take you on to the next stop after Hamilton and hand you over to Peter Proctor to go on to H.B. I am due to fly out to Cairns on 25th 7am. so expect to see you there again at the end of the month. My partner Gill Cole is doing her Masters @ Massey Uni. Horn Quartz and its effect on plants is a major part of the thesis and she is interested to know your oppinion as to what the best tests are to show a 'scientific' difference? We have been trying to contact you off list but our sever doesn't seem to know yours, and we can't get through. Best, Peter. SAT 19 July 10.00 am - 4.00pm Kiawaka Memorial Hall. Mangawhai Rd Kaiwaka. Register with Anne Dodds 09 435 3129 or Berndette Blair. 09 415 9044. Waikato / Bay of Plenty Wed 23rd July 10 am -4 pm Waikato Waldorf School 54 Borman Rd Hamilton Register with Tanja Benthien ph/fax 07 872 2545 Peter Bacchus 07 542 1914 e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hawkes Bay Friday 25th July 9.30 -3.30 Havelock North Community Centre, Te Mata Rd, Havelock North. Register with Cleone Armon 06 878 3128 Horowhenua, Manawatu, Wairapapa, Whanganui Sunday 27th July.10.00-4.00 Rambler Flowers 86 The Avenue [SH1] Please register with Enterprise Horowhenua 06 3670524. ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow Visit our website at: www.unionag.net ___BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow Visit our website at: www.unionag.net ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: Fwd: Prep 500 and 501 effects
Dave, Here is some attempt at response. Terribly time consuming. Hope I see you in NZ in July. I'd like to forward this discussion to BDnow to see if I can stimulate any further comments. Hugh Lovel (one "l" on the end) Hugh-- Gill asked me to forward this request to you, their server isn't connecting. Take care. = From: "gill cole" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Dave Robison'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "'Hugh Lovell'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "'Peter Michael Bacchus'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Prep 500 and 501 effects Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 10:35:10 +1200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 Importance: Normal Dear Hugh and Dave My partner, Peter Bacchus passed on your email addresses and recommended that I write and ask for your comments on my attempts to understand the calcium and silica processes in plants in relation to plant physical physiological processes. Dear Gill, The best I can do is give you my observations. I can't see how you might be applying the various BD remedies and the timing of each or the proximity of spraying the 500 and 501. These factors make a big difference, and each individual case is different with the plot's past history, present soil fertility, light availability (season), etc. all affecting the plant. For instance planting lettuce in fall it will not bloom, while in spring it races toward bloom. I am writing up my Masters thesis on the subject of the effect of the biodynamic field sprays on nutritional quality of lettuces and would value your assistance with trying to explain what's going on. I have been on BDNow sometimes and have found your postings helpful, but have missed a lot of them, so have probably missed a lot of what you have said on the subject. Here are some questions I have in trying to understand Calcium and Silica processes, 500 and 501 based on agriculture course, Koliskos, Lievegood, Atkinson, Pfeiffer, Remer. I grew lettuces with and without fieldsprays, and in a second trial, with and without 501 (all had 500) My particular interest has been to try to show that 501 changes metabolism in leaves, leading to changed root exudates, which affect mycorrhizal and soil microbe activity but I havnt found a way to show that. 1 How does the 501 spray affect nutritional quality of plants? Can it be demonstrated and explained in terms of physical chemical and physiological plant processes? What kind of nutrition are you looking for? What the 501 does is it enhances the plant's silica relationships. It stimulates photosynthesis, blossoming fruiting and ripening. Insofar as it enhances photosynthesis it depends on soil fertility and its uptake by the plant. Photosynthesis is mostly a lime (in this case magnesium) process, though it involves phosphorus to shunt the energy off into the carbon/water chemistry. A rich calcium uptake holds onto the energy once stored in the carbon structure, but if calcium is low the energy tends to leak away. But you must know that the lime process is involved because for the most part the leaves spread out on the horizontal, and lime works on the horizontal, silica on the vertical. So for maximizing photosynthesis both horn manure and horn clay should be involved in the process. Horn manure improves the plant's relationship with the nitrogen fixing microbes in the soil and the protozoans that eat them and supply the plant its nitrogen as amino acids. The horn clay improves the plant's relationship with mycorrhyzal fungi that unlock the calcium, magnesium, phosphorus, potassium, etc. and assure the nutritional uptake of the plant is abundant and balanced. And the horn silica then does a better job of photosynthesis and the horn clay takes the sugars and transports them more vigorously to the roots so they feed the microbes as root exudates better. Horn clay mediates between the horn manure and horn silica. So not much is going to happen if you spray the horn silica by itself. You'll throw things off down the road to ripeness, period. It will be worst in a clay soil of low fertility, but not much better in a sandy soil despite the tendency in sand to hold the silica forces back a bit. The plant will get more out of light, its leaf nodes will be shorter, its leaves narrower and its growth more vertical. It will blossom and make seed sooner and be a small plant in general. But if the spray sequence were 1st evening horn manure, next morning horn silica followed by horn clay in the early afternoon you would get balanced growth with all the plant's activities tuned up. I suspect this is where you would get the most of what you are thinking of as nutrition. This process will be favored in a soil with rich microbial activity which is well balanced between bacteria and fungi but is low in soluble nitrogen and phosphorus. In o
Re: Introduction
Dear Arjen, Obviously you are on a right track. There are many, of course. It sure is key to treat the farm as a single organism. Good luck. We'll hear more reports? Best, Hugh Lovel >> >>Hey, what do you use to accumulate orgone for a field or farm? > >One way that I have been using is with the help of a map. A map as a >picture of my farm can be used to find energy spots, low energy places. >Because of the correspondence between the map and the actual shape of my >farm, there is a resonance. What I do to the map (after concentrating and >aiming my intentions) has an effect on my farm. I have been using a small >orgon-accumulator (plastic pipe with rolled alufoil+wrapping foil, centre >is a knitting pen) to aim orgon energy for a certain limited amount of time >to my fields. I guess it is in miniature what others do with a cosmic pipe? >--> I have no experience with the cosmic pipe thus far. Reiki is a nice way >too by the way. > >Part of the process is first to get in touch with the 'organizing >principle' of the farm and find out what is needed: energy levels might be >high enough and a certain form of information might be required, or the >other way around. Because this 'contact with the organizing principle of >the farm' (or deva, or farm organism or whatever you wish to call it) is >quite an subjective thing, I would like to have more ways of getting >information about the energetic state of my farm. Feeling energies with my >hands personally for me is a stronger experience, and more relieble, >because it is so 'real', a real feeling in my hands. A big difference for >exemple between a bucket of water with preps unstirred, compared to the >radiation/current after one hour stirring... > >Arjen > >___ >BDNow mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >You can unsubscribe or change your options at: >http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow Visit our website at: www.unionag.net ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Fwd: OBRL Seminars, Ether-Drift, Cloudbusting, MatriarchalSocieties, Bibliography, and more...
>X-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 21:04:40 -0700 >To: OBRL Newsletter June 2003 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >From: James DeMeo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: OBRL Seminars, Ether-Drift, Cloudbusting, Matriarchal Societies, > Bibliography, and more... > >To: Various Students and Professionals on our contact list > >RE: Wilhelm Reich's Discoveries, encompassing the issues of >Gentle-Childbirth, Peaceful Societies, Subtle-Energies and Ether-Physics. >Information of Scientific Interest from James DeMeo, Ph.D., and the >non-profit Orgone Biophysical Research Laboratory, Greensprings Center, >Ashland, Oregon. > >This is the infrequent ~quarterly version of our OBRL-Newsletter. > >Subscribers to the Yahoo-Group OBRL-News-Bulletin may receive this >e-Newsletter more than once. If you wish to be removed from our mailing >list, please let us know. We do not share our e-list or use commercial >email services, and obtain our addresses only from previously-received >correspondence, including round-letters sent to us. > >Please copy and distribute as you wish, to other interested individuals and >groups. > >+ > >June 2003 > >Twelve topical notices below: > >1. Greensprings Interdisciplinary Seminars 2003: Summer Educational Events >at OBRL - Space Still Available > >2. New Article Posted to OBRL Web Site: "Reconciling Miller's Ether-Drift >With Reich's Cosmic Orgone", a foundational discussion on pulsatory cosmic >energy and planetary motions. > >3. OBRL's New Observatory - 16" Newtonian & AstroHaven Astronomy Dome > >4. World Congress on Modern Matriarchal Studies: >SOCIETIES IN BALANCE", Luxemburg, 5-7 September 2003 > >5. About Cloudbusting, and those Midwest Tornadoes... > >6. CORE Projects Overseas... No Funding or Progress this year. > >7. Update on the Experimental Life-Energy Field Meter > >8. Reminder on availability of our major publications: >"Heretic's Notebook" and "Saharasia", and >"The Orgone Accumulator Handbook" > >9. Internet Bibliography on Orgonomy (the science of life-energy >functions in nature) updates. > >10. Jim Martin's book "Wilhelm Reich and the Cold War", update. > >11. Angry People! Internet Hackers Attack OBRL and OBRL-News > >12. Information on our more frequent "OBRL-News-Bulletin" at Yahoo groups. > > >** > >1. Space Still Available for "Greensprings Seminars 2003" > >Summer 2003 Educational Events > >Full Details at: >http://www.orgonelab.org/events.htm > >* 26-27 July (Saturday-Sunday): >Seminar on Saharasia: Primitive Peaceful Societies and >the Origins of Violence: Evidence from Cross-Cultural >Anthropological and recent Archaeological Findings. >Instructor: James DeMeo, Ph.D. >Subjects: Gentle Childbirth, Mass Psychology of Fascism, Origins of Human >Armoring, Discussions from Dr. DeMeo's book "Saharasia: The 4000 BCE >Origins of Child-Abuse, Sex-Repression, Warfare and Social Violence, In the >Deserts of the Old World". > >* 2-3 August (Saturday-Sunday): >Bions, Biogenesis and the Reich Blood Test: >Introductory Microscopy Laboratory Seminar >Instructors: Richard Blasband, MD, James DeMeo, Ph.D. >Subjects: Origins of Life, Pleomorphism, Cancer Biopathy, Bionous >Disintegration of Cells (apoptosis), Life-Energy Charge of Tissues and >Blood (immunity), High-Magnification Light Microscopy of Living >Preparations. > >* 9-10 August (Saturday-Sunday): >The Orgone Energy Accumulator: >History, Construction, and Experimental Use >Instructor: James DeMeo, Ph.D. >Subjects: Reich's Discovery of the Orgone Energy, as Biological >Life-Energy, Atmospheric Energy and Cosmic (Ether) Energy, Methods for >Measurement and Accumulation, with Demonstrations and Observations in an >Orgone Energy Darkroom. > >* Guided Independent Study Program in General Orgonomy. >Meeting every Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday >from 22 July through 7 August, 2003. >An in-depth coverage of all the above topics, plus more. > >Times: Weekend Seminars meet from 10:00 AM to 6:00 PM each day, Saturday >and Sunday. Guided Independent Study Program will meet from 10:00 AM to >5:00 PM each day. > >Where: At the O.B.R.L. Greensprings Center, 20 miles east of Ashland, >Oregon in the forests of the Siskiyou Mountains. >Please register early. > >Go to this web site for more details: >http://www.orgonelab.org/events.htm > >Or, call, write, fax or e-mail for an information packet, or with your >questions. > >Orgone Biophysical Research Lab >Greensprings Center, PO Box 1148 >Ashland, Oregon 97520 USA >Phone/Fax: 541/ 552-0118 >E-mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >NOTE: This year we will not be postal-mailing our usual printed flyers. If >you are interested in attending, please respond to this email as soon as >possible. > > >** > >2. New Article Posted to OBRL Web Site: > >"Reconciling Miller's Ether-Drift With Reich's Cosmic Orgone", by James >DeMeo, Ph.D. >a foundational discussion on pulsatory cosmic energy and planetary motions. >http
Re: Introduction
Dear Arjen,
Sounds interesting. I'm fresh back from an atmospheric regeneration
workshop in Santa Fe, New Mexico where I and my colleague, Lorraine Cahill
worked to show New Mexico environmentalists how pollution blocks rainfall
and how the ethers are easily restored, using the BD prep remedies, to
their proper state of organization--resulting in rain. We received a total
of 0.877 inches of rain at the site targeted by our radionic treatments. I
believe it was a good learning experience for all involved, including
myself.
I don't see how we can theorize in our armchairs about these things and
hone in on target about how they work without doing a big bit of work on
the practical side. And I don't see how we can be biodynamic purists and
just work with the BD preps without seeing how this relates to such things
as color, Bach Flower Remedies, general homeopathics, dowsing, etc. So I
welcome you to this discussion, as I'm sure many others who are working
with homeopathy, radionics, dowsing, etc. on this list also welcome you.
Till we meet again,
Best,
Hugh Lovel
>Hello everybody,
>
>I joined the BDNow list recently and I would like to take the opportunity
>to introduce myself. My name is Arjen Huese and I work as biodynamic
>vegetable grower at Emerson College in the UK (www.emerson.org.uk). We have
>got a three year biodynamics training here, where I teach vegetable growing
>and some soil subjects.
>
>I used to have my own biodynamic market garden in Holland before I came to
>England, 2.5 ha on a lovely black sandy soil. I worked with the spray
>preparations, but also with other 'energetic' methods including meditation,
>dowsing, feeling of the earth/crop radiation, colours and Bach flower
>remedies.
>
>I did a course with a man called Hans Andeweg, who has quite stirred up the
>Dutch biodynamic movement, by teaching many farmers and growers how they
>can feel the radiation of the soil/crops as well as using a pendulum to
>determine certain parameters like Bovis value and Orgone. He uses these
>parameters to establish if a field/crop/farm organism is healthy or might
>need a certain input. If needed you can administer a certain energy (with
>an Orgone accumulator) or information (using flower remedies, etc).
>
>He got me quite excited about this, and I practised it for some years until
>I had to quit my farm. Now I am teaching at Emerson, and working my way
>through the Agriculture Course with a group of students and at a certain
>point I gave them the assignment to explain how the spray prepararions
>really work, what background is there behind them. Mistake! I realised I
>didn't have a clue myself... The usual explanation of horn-manure =
>calcium-force and horn-silica = silica-force seemed a bit too easy and
>seemed to be contradicted by Steiner in other chapters of the AgC (espec.
>ch.6). I studied further and encountered the four ethers, which were
>somehow mentioned during my training at Warmonderhof in Holland, but nobody
>ever explained them thoroughly or seemed/seems even to know a lot about it.
>
>A book by Guenther Wachsmuth (' The Etheric Formative Forces in Cosmos,
>Earth and Man', 1932) that I dug out from the Emerson Library proved very
>informative, I would really recommend it to anybody interested in basic
>understanding of the four ethers and the role they play in plant growth and
>the way they move during the seasons. The latter might give some reasoning
>behind the advice from Steiner to hang up or dig down preparations in
>certain times of year.
>
>This is where I am standing at the moment, still studying the ethers, still
>getting more practiced in feeling energies (particularly the quality,
>rather than the quantity, of energies) and after what I have been reading
>now in the BDNow list about peppering, perhaps do some experiments with
>slug peppers (the main problem in my 2ha garden here at Emerson). My
>students urge me to do some experiments with peppers almost every week, so
>let's give it a try, even without the right constellation perhaps ;)
>
>Kind regards,
>
>Arjen Huese
>
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Re: Hugh Lovel visits New Zealand July
Thanks, Tony, I've got to work out my travel itinerary yet, so this will help. When do you want me to arrive in Aukland? Still working on the manual, but used it the first draft for my rain workshop in Santa Fe, New Mexico this past weekend. We made almost an inch of gentle, soaking rain at the target site--less the farther away it was. The site was Kenny Ausubel's ranch in the Sangre de Christos mountains outside of Santa Fe. He is the founder of Bioneers and one of the founders of Seeds of Change, and needless to say he was highly pleased as they were having a drought. Anyway the booklet needs much more work before I send you a copy to publish for the workshops. I'll keep working on it, but it will be good. Same deal as before you folks can publish and sell as a gift from me. But this one will be way, way practical. Best, Hugh Hi to NZ BD subcribers this is the programme for Hugh Lovel's visit to NZ in July. Hope to see you all there. Regards Tony Robinson Agricultural Remedies. How to Make the Biodynamic Preparations Work Better. Hugh Lovel is the principal of the Union Agriculture Institute inBlairsville, Georgia, USA. He is one of the leading Biodynamic consultants in the US. He visited NZ in 2000. Hugh says, "Much of what I have to offer is my understanding of BD, and the various ways of using it." A compassionate, highly intelligent writer/consultant with a true, creative insight and a wonderful turn of phrase. He has tirelessly promoted his great passion - the science of biodynamics. Workshop for Northland /Auckland SAT 19 July 10.00 am - 4.00pm Kiawaka Memorial Hall. Mangawhai Rd Kaiwaka. Register with Anne Dodds 09 435 3129 or Berndette Blair. 09 415 9044. Waikato / Bay of Plenty Wed 23rd July 10 am -4 pm Waikato Waldorf School 54 Borman Rd Hamilton Register with Tanja Benthien ph/fax 07 872 2545 Peter Bacchus 07 542 1914 e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hawkes Bay Friday 25th July 9.30 -3.30 Havelock North Community Centre, Te Mata Rd, Havelock North. Register with Cleone Armon 06 878 3128 Horowhenua, Manawatu, Wairapapa, Whanganui Sunday 27th July.10.00-4.00 Rambler Flowers 86 The Avenue [SH1] Please register with Enterprise Horowhenua 06 3670524. OR EMAIL organiser Tony Robinson: [EMAIL PROTECTED] for more details COST: $60 PER PERSON includes a practical manual Please BYO Lunch. Water, Tea, Coffee provided at all venues. ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow Visit our website at: www.unionag.net ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: Raw Milk - Submission to Health Canada
>Dear Hugh and Zoran, >I think the issue of pasteurisation is more a matter of control and >taxation than public health. Raw milk is produced by the individual >farmer and used to be sold to friends and neighbours, but compulsion o >pasteurise obliges the sale to either a co-op or a commercial processor, >who then must have a stable market, which usually discount sales to >super markets and the like, or processing. My dairy farming forebears >sold around the local village, doing home deliveries in the pre dawn, >having already milked the fifty to eighty cows. Excess was made into >butter, cheese or fed to vealers or pigs. When pasteurisation came in, >the milk price fell to a "wholesale" level, the locals lost the free >home delivery and the farmer lost the income from the cheese, butter, >veal and bacon. > >Personally, I have never heard of anyone getting ill from using raw milk. > >Gil Dear Gil, I know what you mean, and I too am not familiar with people getting sick from raw milk, though I'm around people who drink raw milk all the time. I've heard of the undulunt fever thing a bit, and with older folks it comes up on radionic scans once in a while. So does small pox vaccination, which seems to settle in various areas of the body and cause problems ranging from arthritis to liver disease and brain problems. It's a good question whether or not society isn't far too fearful of germs and whether or not we aren't paying for this fear with problems we cause from vaccinations and disinfectants (like chlorine poisoning) and so forth. I'm not saying we should go back to the days of cholera from contaminated water and polio epidemics. (My father had polio.) But there is all this fear of germs and very little understanding about how to build and maintain a healthy immune system. It would be better the other way around, wouldn't it? And as for making the task of the farmer less rewarding, pasteurization was one of the big control mechanisms to lock him in to depending on and getting screwed by the middle men. Is there any doubt of this? Best, Hugh Visit our website at: www.unionag.org
Re: Vitality and fertility ofsoils
Dear Tony,, The big probelm in doing scientific studies is funding them. The funders have their agendas, and anyone who wants their funding renewed will come in wiuth the desired results. Which is why we have seen so many bogus studies about cholesteral and chemical fertilizers. This is a sorry, but real chapter in Science. On the other hand funding research into learning the truth--regardless of funding agendas--might be nice. We can put it out there.. There is a LOT of research that needs to be done., if only it was funded. Best, Hugh Visit our website at: www.unionag.org
RE: Raw Milk - Submission to Health Canada
>Hugh, > >"And we get some types we wouldn't have seen in raw milk, such as >Listeria and Pasteurella." - is wrong. Listeria is found, if found, >exclusively in raw milk. For that reason pregnant women are adviced to >avoid dairy products made from fresh milk (here in Norway few years ago >few dozens of women had miscarriages after eating French cammember >cheese). > >Also I would never test my immunity drinking milk that might have >tuberculosis. Strenght or weaknes of our immune system depends on so >many factors. > >Regards > >Zoran Dear Zoran, Sorry. I stand corrected on the Listeria. Thanks. I don't think that anyone "tests their immunity" by deliberately drinking milk that might have tuberculosis in it. But, of course, there is some slight possibility of one's family milk cow having a touch of Johnne's Disease, otherwise known as bovine tuberculosis. There is a much better chance of it being in raw milk that is pooled from four or five dairies of a hundred cows each, which is what usually happens when milk is picked up in a tank truck. This means, of course, that pasteurization of commercial milk is very much the rule because there IS a fairly good likelihood of something like tuberculosis being present when you have hundreds and hundreds of cows involved. The point is that our immunity DOES depend on many, many factors,not all of which are known but some of which we know are in raw milk and are destroyed by pasteurization. Food researchers such as Sally Fallon often point out that laboratory animals raised on raw milk as compared to those raised on pasteurized milk consistantly prove to be healthier and more robust. I don't know of quite so much evidence comparing people raised on raw milk as compared to pasteurized milk. If one had the raw milk of good quality available and knew the difference I'd think a parent would be criminal to feed their children the pasteurized stuff. There used to be a disease known as undulunt fever that was transmitted by raw milk. I never hear of it any more, though a hundred years ago it was quite common. A person who got it might keep it for life, and it would flare up every once in a while. I think pasteurization can be credited for its virtual disappearance. On the other hand this is not the case with tuberculosis. Tuberculosis is all too common today and it hasn't been seen to diminish much because of milk pasteurization. The study I ran into that compared raw milk drinkers--who got no tuberculosis--with pasteurized milk drinkers--several of whom got tuberculosis--warrants further investigation. Are the immune factors in raw milk responsible for immunity to tuberculosis? Considering there are antibiotic resistant strains of tuberculosis that you definitely do NOT want to get, someone ought to look at this more. Best, Hugh Visit our website at: www.unionag.org
Re: Question for Hugh: Growing Ginger
>Dear Hugh - > >You gave me a lot of cultural information about growing ginger at >ACRES. I've finally got around to buying a couple of cases of it from >the local food co-op. > >Something I was wondering was if you thought that here in the >Northern Virginia area I might be better off planting it in a >hoophouse rather than in the open. Hoophouse will be ventilated but >temperatures will run around a hundred on most sunny days. > >Thanks > >-Allan Dear Allan, Having never tried it in a hoop house, I can't say. But I know ginger is grown in southern Ontario and in British Columbia as a commercial field crop. Big oriental population in Canada and blond, juvenile ginger brings a good price. So if they can grow it in Canada, I can't see any problem with growing it in Virginia. Best, Hugh Visit our website at: www.unionag.org
Re: Vitality and fertility ofsoils
Dear Steve, Okay, next time I stir 500 and 501 I'll make the stirred cards. I'm sure Wendy didn't stir before making the cards. Just incidentally, the most beautiful vortices I've ever seen in stirring were in barrels stirred by Greg Willis. His method was a meticulously prepared pole supported by a tripod and stirred in wine casks. Really beautiful vortices. I don't know how one could duplicate them with machine stirring. I wish you could have seen it, and if you ever get a chance to see someone stir by Greg's method, do so. Best, Hugh >I do recommend your pipe. Phil Wheeler installed one at a consultation I did >the day after I left. I endorsed it and will work within the parameters of >these farmers wishes. They need to cover 2500 acres and they want good >results. They have been 25 years no till and want to see more improvements. >I have been asking you for some years to make a hand stirred >reagent/malcom-rae card/fb reagent. Has that been done??? I even gave you >some of my bc with 500-508, any report or use of it? I highly respect what >you are doing and will take up radionics and field broadcasting in the near >future when I feel I have my current ducks in a row. I ask you to make this >stirred water reagent because you have the experience to see the difference, >I would need to start from scratch, we don't have the luxury of that kind of >time. >And as for stirring time I think the hour number was tossed out there by >Rudy. With the stirring machine you can observe the patterns in the water >more readily than with hand stirring. I have prepared 500 and 501 in about >10-15 minutes. I have done this on properties that have never had an >application with a one hour stir and have achieved obvious results. I have >done this with water that has never been heated, cold out of the ground and >you get results. There have been many impedences placed by dogmatic/armchair >anthropop farmers to prevent folks from stirring the easy way. >The making of the bd preps is an elevation of matter. The harvest of the >sheathe material, the plant material, the marriage of the two, the human >interaction, imagine a bd raised cow with proper feed and care and love and >bd plants, then making them into these preparations, wow. Spirit and matter, >that is what the man was talking about. >Someone out there using radionics and field broadcasters please try making a >stirred water preparation for these instruments, it would be ashame to wait >for me to do it. >Keep up the great work... SStorch Visit our website at: www.unionag.org
Re: Vitality and fertility ofsoils
>In a message dated 4/1/03 8:53:54 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > ><< broadcaster coils and blending with the patterns of the preps held in the >well replicates the role of stirring. cosmic energies coming in through >vortex and chaos to blend with the patterns of the preps. >> > >I have to dis agree. If it is not done by the human hand where does the farm >individuality arise from. Take ten minutes, stir the water and make the >"reagent",, you owe it to yourself...sstorch Dear Steve, By human hand or by human thought? What is the deciding factor? If by the human hand without the human thought, what then? And if by the human thought without the human hand, what then? Consider this. You DO own it to your self. Take ten minutes--or an hour--and stir. It's a good activity. And cover an acre or several. Take two minutes and even ten and cover a thousand or even four thousand. What's the difference? The human thought goes with both, even if the human hand does not so much. Where's your valuation of things? Where does it lie? With certain personalitles and their persuasions, or with your own knowing? What do each say? What do you say? While I like you and what you are doing, are you under the persuasion of others, and have you the choice of getting into radionics or not? Are you that free? I'll like you either way, and acknowledge y ou either way, can you do the same for me? Can you grant me the validity of my path? I grant I don't think I have ever sold one of your stirring machines, though I've recommended them. I would always recommend them since they keep the EMF as far as possible from the solution to be sprayed. I must wonder when you have ever recommended one of my broadcasters for a client who had too rough a terrain or too much acerage for stirring and sprayin to be an option. Aren't we trying to get the benefits of our preparations out over the largest possible areas of the earth for the earth's healing for the benefit of all? Aren't you interested in how this works? Granted you may be coming from a belief that this does not work. But surely that doesn't serve true, and you have to acknowledge that what I and Lorraine, and Lloyd, Arden Anderson, Phil Wheeler, etc. are doing works. .Aren't you interested? You can expeeriment around and see what you think. Anyone amongst us will help you, ask anyone you trust. We'd all like to see you experiment, and no telling you might teach us things we didn't know and didn't understand. That's ordinarily the way of the way of things. Anyway, here's a critical brother. I appreciate all the good you do, which is plenty. I'm being critical. I wish it wasn't so. When I see you at conferences or gatherings, let me always be your friend and supporter. But, please be a little more open-minded. Okay? Best, Hugh Visit our website at: www.unionag.org
Re: Vitality and fertility ofsoils
>- Original Message - >From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 8:28 PM >Subject: Re: Vitality and fertility ofsoils > > >> Hey, I am glad to here that you will get around to actually doing some >realm >> of the living spraying. When you make your "cards" are the preps right >out >> of the ground or are they stirred? How can you introduce the stirring >> process to radionics and field broadcasting? Is there a stirred water >> card??? Keep on... SStorch >Steve I use cards made from Hugh Lovel's preps - I figure his are as good >as any - better than most - I assume they are from the ground. I keep some >special energised rainwater vials in the broadcaster well and I believe the >cosmic energies travelling through the forward and reverse rotation of the >broadcaster coils and blending with the patterns of the preps held in the >well replicates the role of stirring. cosmic energies coming in through >vortex and chaos to blend with the patterns of the preps. >Cheers >Lloyd Charles > Dears, I have to laugh. Yes. my preps are from the ground. In fact, they are Courtney's preps, and as Lloyd says they probably are as good as any and better than most. I sent these samples off to England and had the cards made by Wendy. But we could as well make our own cards, really. Each has their own perspective in making a card, but I think I might trust the perspective of an older person with a lot of experience than most younger persons--though not all. Some are born with a better connection than I can ever hope to have. And so it goes. We each have our focus, and our distortions. It is useful to ask what your own focus and distortions are, and to pursue this, as one can learn a lot. I don't exactly want to say that I have done this, even though I have, because I cannot tell how much I have to work through to attain what others may be born with. I don't know that I have done this to the finish. In fact, I'm sure I have not done this to the finish. I've worked on my consciousness, sure, and know that we could all afford to--would greatly benefit from it. It's humbling, as what comes out is all one's foolishness, pettyness, stupidity, blindness, wishful thinking, etc. And when is that reservoir dry? When we wish? Or when we cannot find any more? And even when we can't, are we good at finding more in the depths of our spirit? When dowsing, are we not taking on the most direct of spiritual challenges? One sets an intent and then explores what might be the answer. And one must take the indication, clear, either yes or no, or either a degree or percent, a gradient, a scale or a selection. One must go from there with confidence. Here's one of the hitches. Reality conforms to our mental images. So when we think things must be one way or another, they generally conform, though there are a lot of factors involved, particularly when many other people are involved. But Heisenberg, back in the thirties, proposed that the very presence of the observer and his measuring instruments was a determining factor in the field of investigation. And so it seems to be. We tend to create the realities we inhabit. So where will we experience the ultimate truths? When we mould them? Or when we seek the creative authority of the whole, entire universe to show us the mould? I'll leave us with that question. Best, Hugh Visit our website at: www.unionag.org
Re: Vitality and fertility ofsoils
>In a message dated 3/31/03 11:02:19 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > ><< Heck I'm not trying to convert you guys to radionics you have no need of >it - just see our side of the story - and try to appreciate why we (or some >of us) are so interested in these other ways of doing things. >Cheers >Lloyd Charles >> > >What about an egg shaped urn buried in the earth, the one I have has a 12,000 >foot influence on the farm and surrounding area. I fill it with teas of 500, >bc, 501 508, nettles, etc...sstorch Steve, There you are. You do good work. Keep it up. Hugh Visit our website at: www.unionag.org
Re: Vitality and fertility ofsoils
>In a message dated 3/31/03 11:21:28 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > ><< Are you meaning cow pat pit or horn clay as the BCR? > > >> > >Due to some bs government eyebrow raising on interstate shipments we stopped >all reference to barrel compost or cow pat manure and call it biodynamic >compound preparation. I make mine with a special arrangement of 500-508 with >clay, not orn clay just clay, I am not sold on horn clay, will make the Hugo >Herbe clay prep this fall...SStorch Steve, Jeez, Storch! Why not put your clay in a horn? What's the problem? Afraid it will get some cosmic forces? Hugh Visit our website at: www.unionag.org
Re: Raw Milk - Submission to Health Canada
>- Original Message - >From: Virginia Salares <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 12:17 PM >Subject: Raw Milk - Submission to Health Canada > > >> http://www.magma.ca/~ca/rawmilk/submission.htm >> >> Virginia Salares >> >Hi Virginia > Are you aware of the health implications involved in the A2 milk issue?? - >Google search 'A2 milk' for more info. >Cheers >Lloyd Charles Dear Virginia, Lloyd, et. al., Back when Pasteur came up with his process of pasteurization to cure the wine industry's problems of wine turning to vinegar, he was on to something. The trouble is the same principle does not apply to milk, although in our day good old bad science has prevailed again in the face of good sense. In the case of milk, there are immune cells, sometimes called somatic cells, leukocytes or white blood cells. These fight pathogens such as the common E. coli, Staph. aureus, Strep. etc. that are rather commonly found in the envrionments of milk cattle. While grape juice has no leukocytes, and thus has no means of fighting contamination, raw milk does. And what all the immune factors are in raw milk, we cannot know, for the scope of biochemistry can only penetrate the chemistry of milk maybe 10 or 20 percent--as when we analyse it, we must kill it. Thus the subtlety of its chemistry could be far greater than the scope of our ability to analyse it. But nevertheless we know that within the immune cells we have a terrific ability to fight pathogens. Pasteurization kills not only the majority of micro-organisms that exist in raw milk, it kills all the immune cells. Thus the resulting pasteurized milk, when it gets a bad micro-organism in it, the pathogen takes over big time. And we get some types we wouldn't have seen in raw milk, such as Listeria and Pasteurella. Studies from back in the thirties--I don't have the exact reference--show that amonst people drinking raw milk none got tuberculosis, while amongst those drinking pasteurized milk 7 to 9 percent did. Tuberculosis is one of the diseases that pasteurization is supposed to protect people against, yet the research indicates otherwise. An explanation of this was given to me by no less than Charles Murphy, the chief scientist of the Georgia Milk Commission. In his words, "Any more, milk in the store has so few micro-organisms in it that when people DO get some pathogen in their milk they have no acquired immunity." This makes some sense. When people drank fresh raw milk it contained a variety of immune factors, all of which we cannot know, but some of which are documented. When pasteurized, these are lost. So we may kill the tuberculosis organisms in the pasteurized milk that we drink, but we get no immunity to tuberculosis by drinking that milk. So if we encounter tuberculosis from other sources, we are lost. Is pasteurization of milk bad science, or what? Trust that in government money talks and science walks. Money can utilize bad science and get away with it, because lawmakers are usually not scientists though they usually have a keen appreciation of money. There are, of course, some exceptions, and I do not wish to malign all politicians. But generally what is the accepted scientific wisdom on any subject is ten to twenty years in advance of the laws. In some cases, like the fertilizer laws, it is a hundred years ahead. In others it may be only a couple years ahead. But on the average, 10 to 20 seems a safe figure. Best, Hugh Lovel >> Visit our website at: www.unionag.org
Re: Vitality and fertility ofsoils
>In a message dated 3/30/03 7:08:48 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > ><< how it can be measured and how it can be > >changed using Albrecht/Rheams. >> > >How can we enhance the vitality using the biodynamic remedies??? By doing >sequential sprays of 500, 501, and biodynamic compound remedy [bcr] with >502-508, and 508, 500/508, 501/508 and bcr that is how. Is this a radionics >or a biodynamic discussion group??? In the agriculture lectures Steiner >refers several times to keeping the work on the farm in the realm of the >living. Ergo, sheathe material from domestic and wild animals, plants, and >manures. >As far as I am concerned I do not care for any of these scientific >evaluations until the preparations have been used for two years...sstorch Steve, I think you are way out of line. What is so "in the realm of the living" about a stirring machine, a spray rig and a tractor? I don't get it. A radionic instrument is a whole lot MORE in the realm of the living as it is a bit mechanical--like a transit or a telescope--and a good bit more living operator who is using the radionic instrument to project his intention. And what is this notion you seem to have that radionics and biodynamics are, what? Mutually exclusive? Huh??? I haven't any doubt that were Rudolf Steiner around today he would be teaching farmers how to use radionic instruments and field broadcasters as well as getting kids to stir preparations for their Waldorf School gardens by hand. As you know I fully support you in your stirring and spraying. I think that you're doing good work there. Why send me scorn by return mail for radionics? Is this some only solution trip you're crusing on? Best, Hugh Visit our website at: www.unionag.org
Re: Austr. Workshop/ Was there a higher purpose?
James Hedly writes: >Rationalism is not going to get someone to consider radionics. It is emotion >that sells products. Emotions like pride or having the best farm in the >district. The whole angle of sustainability in farming brings out a whole >new group of emotions. How about making the farm a more safe working >environment. What about the health of wife and kids. Farmers know now the >effects of the chemicals that they use. >The market for radionics is within the top 3% of primary producers. Out of >that 3% it is those that are the most innovative and are prepared to try >out new ideas who need to be targeted. >Having said that the problem then becomes how do we get to those people. >Promoting and marketing Agricultural Radionics is really no different to >marketing anything else. Dear James, et. al., Too right, mate. But I did grow up in advertising, and I've studied advertising psychology a bit even though I never went into it. My observation has been that the things that usually get the most advertising are the things that are worse than worthless, like beer, cigarettes and bad politicians. Well, beer isn't so bad, but it is the worst beers that get the most advertising. Anyway as you can imagine I've not beet too keen on adverts. Mostly we've kept our heads down by looking to the organic and sustainable bunch for disseminating what we know. But, for example, two of the brightest stars amongst my clients--one is a large scale vegetable grower in Canada, another is a dairyman in Mexico--are coming from the conventional mindset. They both took to dowsing like swans to a lake, both have radionic instruments, both call or e-mail me a couple times a week for further mentoring, both are getting results that have them real excited. The one in Canada has a Kelly and a one card Malcolm Rae instrument. The one in Mexico has a four card Rae instrument. Neither one has more than a rudimentary idea of what they can do with them, but for starts they are learning how to make their own reagents for their field broadcasters and they are learning how to regenerate their atmosphere so it rains once again--and these uses alone have more than paid for their equipment in their first year. Granted they are both farming on a large enough scale--hundreds of acres--that a little improvement means a lot of dollars. I turn them on to everything good that I know about. Both are making compost tea now, for example. Both have given up chemical nitrogen and phosphorus fertilizers. The one in Canada is resolved this year to discontinue all toxic sprays because he saw very clearly last year that they did more damage than good, plus they affected his health as well. Both had their best year ever last year in terms of income. Both are studying their asses off learning all they can as fast as they can. It won't be that much longer and they won't need me any more. It gives me a good feeling. I'll admit I'm not comfortable with the idea of going head to head in the marketplace with the chemical ag boys. They've got hundreds of billions if not trillions of dollars worth of muscle to lean on us with, and we are still in the pusilanimous thousands and tens of thousands. So I think we'd better keep our heads down a bit longer and not get them to take us seriously. What I like particularly well about Australia is it isn't nearly so dismal an atmosphere in this regard as the states. I don't think the chemical industry has farmers nearly so much in their grip in Australia--for one thing Australian farmers are working with a much lower budget in most cases. So I've more hope for waking up conventional farmers in Australia than here in the US at present. Note that two of my brightest clients were conventional but were not in the US. Well, you said something earlier about how we need to find out what the farmers perceive as their needs and address THAT. In the marketplace that is known as market research. And you're correct. That's how it is done. Now, what can we do in terms of market research? For starters we can be sure a lot of farmers want a magic potion and not something they have to think about. And we aren't selling that. So we can only market research what we have to offer. But even so, . . . I hooked up with these two conventional guys because they were wanting to get out of conventional and do something different and I happened to catch their attention in their early exploration of alternatives. That probably was just dumb luck. But it also means there must be a LOT of people looking for some way out of conventional. And if my experience is any indication radionics/biodynamics is the quickest, easiest way out that there is. These guys both went a LONG ways in one year and will complete their transition off of chemical inputs in this, their second year--to the point they will no longer be going off their farms for either nitrogen or phosphorus, to say nothing of cutting out all toxics. AND they've both saved a bundle on ir
Re: spring farm
I send the energy of the morning to Iraq and the White House, those poor bastards...sstorch How cogent! They BOTH need it. Hugh Visit our website at: www.unionag.org
Re: Austr. Workshop/ Was there a higher purpose?
>- Original Message - >From: "Hugh Lovel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> I'd be including David von Pein and Des Whatley in on this discussion but >I >> don't have their e-mail. Anyone help with this? > >> Best, >> Hugh >> >> Hi Hugh Last time i was in contact with David he was not on email . >He can be contacted indirectly through his web site which goes to a friend >of his who faxes messages to his home. >The Meter Man - David von Pein >http://www.themeterman.com.au > >Cheers Tony R Tony, Thanks for this. The web site works. Hugh Visit our website at: www.unionag.org
Re: Help /HORN CLAY
Dear Tony, I expect to be in Queensland from mid July to mid August. If there was interest in it I probably could fit in a workshop in New Zealand. I gave them a go in Australia in regards to radionic treatment and weather regeneration, and that was successful as far as making rain. What I'm worried about is how many farmers took home enough dowsing and radionic skills to do that kind of thing on their own hereafter. Best, Hugh > The horns that were still buried were new horns that I had been given and >were buried to get rid of the insides All these horns have been lifted >covered with a white fungal growth Hopefully these will make some good 500, >horn clay etc as they came from a convential cow herd. >Thanks for reminding me. > > Best regards Tony R Visit our website at: www.unionag.org
Chembusters/Organite
Dear Readers, A week or so ago on this list there was some discussion about the "cloudbusters" being made willy-nilly, pointed at the sky and left there. I indicated I wanted to see the design and how it was built, because if these were cloudbusters as designed by Wilhelm Reich they were almost certainly very dangerous. In fact, if such things were left in operation continuously we should have heard about the disasterous results on the news. (and we haven't) First I got an e-mail with a web address and downloaded the plans. Clearly it was NOT a cloudbuster, though it appeared to work in a somewhat similar, though far safer, manner with the ether--the living sorganizational energies in the environment. Then yesterday Don Croft, the guru of these new developments, visited me, along with Tim O'Donnel,l on his way back to Idaho from Florida. It turns out he lives in Moscow, Idaho where I have my closest relatives outside of my immediate family. It was an interesting visit. The device he left with me amounted to a two gallon plastic paint bucket with an array of pipes with crystals mounted at their bases and tghe bucket filled with metal shavings and polyester resin, such as yoyu might find sold to boatmakers. This model, which he called a mini-cloudbuster, was only about 5 feet tall and would fit in the trunk of a car. I talked with Don about calling this a cloudbuster when it was so different from the Reich type cloudbuster it really deserved a different name so people wouldn't be confused. I got the impression he really listened to me, usually a good sign of being in a healthy emotional state. I suggested we call these things chembusters, and he allowed as how he would look for some term that would evoke concensus. Certainly he and Tim appeared to be healthy and energetic. I shared some sushi I was making--the usual nori and sticky rice with flax seeds, shredded rape greens and chinese radish slivers (from my garden) carrot slivers, dulse, marinated lightly sauteed shrimp and avocado--great stuff. It was a heavily overcast day, and as Don predicted it started clearing. It was clear all night and today is the clearest and prettyest I've seen it in several months. Seems like we've been needing this. Random happenstance? However, something else came to light as well. Back in early April '74 I was painting the ceiling in a beauty parlour in Downtown Toronto on Bloor street. As it approached midnight I went down the street to a KFC chicken place that closed at the stroke of 12 and ordered the smallest possible box of chicken. I knew they had to keep a stock of chicken up to closing time, and if they had any left over, what could they do with it? So I told the guy I had very little money, but if he had left over chicken I'd appreciate some. He gave me about 7 or 8 pieces. I looked behind me and there was another American who was doing the same thing, so I talked to him. He looked like he might be living on the street, so I invited him to come inside where it was warm and help me paint. He was telling me that he used to be a janitor for Bell Laboratories, and there were two scientists there who had a theory that the human nervous system would act as an antenna. They calculated the number of miles of nerve fibre in the human body according to measurments of the cranium and spinal column, and they came out with a (very long) wavelength of between 7.8 and 8 Hertz. After building a transmitter (in the late sixties this meant so many miles of coils the transmitter filled a space the size of a small house) they got a volunteer off the street. They put him in a room full of junk where they had placed two pennies under a couch cushion, photographed them and replaced the cushion, and they put him in the room in a chair with the instruction not to get out of the chair under any circumstances. Then they beamed him with the picture and a verbal instruction to go pick up the pennies. After 30 minutes or so of increasing agitation, he jumped up, went over, flipped up the cushion and picked up the pennies. The scientists. rushed in and asked what was he doing. "I don't know." said the volunteer, "I just HAD to do it!" The guy telling me the story then said the scientists dismantled their transmitter and wrote up their experiment as a failure. "Why'd they do that?" I asked. "Because they realized they had found the basis for mind control." said my informant. "I guess they didn't want the government getting ahold of it." Over the years since then, however, I have thought about this discovery and about the government getting ahold of it. And I've thought how common it is for a discovery to be made in two or more places with near simultaneity. So I've watched for signs that the government is doing just the kind of thing these two scientists feared. Do you remember how John Lennon's assassin allowed he didn't have anything against Lennon. He only did it because he had a voice in his head that wouldn't go away that told hi
Re: Austr. Workshop/ Was there a higher purpose?
>- Original Message - >From: "Hugh Lovel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> I'd be including David von Pein and Des Whatley in on this discussion but >I >> don't have their e-mail. Anyone help with this? > >> Best, >> Hugh >> >> Hi Hugh Last time i was in contact with David he was not on email . >He can be contacted indirectly through his web site which goes to a friend >of his who faxes messages to his home. >The Meter Man - David von Pein >http://www.themeterman.com.au > >Cheers Tony R Tony, Thanks. Hugh Visit our website at: www.unionag.org
Re: Austr. Workshop/ Was there a higher purpose?
ethod he prefers on the day. Gil James Hedley wrote: >Dear Lloyd, Hugh, Gil and everybody, >I query the arbitrary figure of 10:1 of unused radionic instruments. That >may be so with some people who have graduated through several instruments, >however I don't agree that as a general rule this would be correct. I am >sure that John Pannan would be horrified if you told him that only 1 in 10 >radionic instruments that were sold by him were not used >If this assumption is the basis of you running a series of workshops in > > > > - Original Message - >From: "Hugh Lovel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Gil Robertson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2003 6:09 PM >Subject: Re: Austr. Workshop/ Was there a higher purpose? > > >> Dear Lloyd, >> >> I know I'm a bit slow responding, but I DO really want to do this. I've >> bounced this off both Gil Robertson and Phil Wheeler and they both >estimate >> there must be somewhere 10 radionic instruments in people's closets in >> Australia for every one that is in use. That is a serious shortcoming >> looking for a solution. I'd like to see all those instruments put to use, >> and how do we get there? David von Pein and Des Whatley want me up in >> Queensland in August after the IQOC (Inaugeral Queensland Organic >> Conference) which I am committed to as a speaker. I don't have their >e-mail >> addresses, though you may have. >> >> Cheryl is saying something about the annual meeting of the BD Association >> down in NSW (perhaps in Albury) somewhere during that time period from mid >> July to mid August. I'd like to coordinate dates with her, though I >realize >> she will have her hands full with that gala event. >> >> Best, >> Hugh >> >> Hugh wrote> >> > Right now Im faced with a conumdrum. At Albury folks were presented with >a >> > procedure in its full-blown oiperation using both card instruments and >> dial >> > instruments. They saw the treatments get set up and turned on and maybe >> > they saw when they were turned off >> > >> > That's the shape those who attended Aulbury and the other workshops are >> > presently in. They saw the operation, but now they need a couple of days >> > real hands on with coaching to be able to go home and do this work. And >> > there's several stages where they need coaching. >> > Probably the dowsing is >> > the most critical as almost anyone can turn a dial and select a card or >> > remedy. The dowsing, of course, will take time to build up confidence >and >> > accuracy. But a lot of them need to get some real hands-on practice with >a >> > coach first. >> > >> > That's the need--to give some real hands-on coaching, practical stuff >> where >> > everyone brings an instrument and we pair off and practice. I'll see >what >> I >> > can do about coming up with a set of exercises. Lorraine Cahill, who >works >> > with me here at UAI, would be good at this. It doesn't matter too much >> what >> > kind of instrument, we can work with it. >> > >> >Dear Hugh >> > Maybe we could get some local groups going with this. >If >> >Lorraine could work up a set of excercises so we're all going in the same >> >direction, we should be able to yard up some coaches to take groups of >say >> >twenty and just work on the dowsing side - its mainly a practice and >> >confidence thing - questioning technique is a problem for a lot of people >> >too. I feel confident enough with my pendulum to take a group and I'm >sure >> >we could find others to do so in the other regions but I think this needs >> >some direction. >> >When you come out in July/August how much time will you have available >for >> >possibly running smaller regional workshops? >> >Cheers >> >Lloyd Charles >> >> Visit our website at: www.unionag.org >> >> Visit our website at: www.unionag.org
Re: Austr. Workshop/ Was there a higher purpose?
Dear Lloyd, I know I'm a bit slow responding, but I DO really want to do this. I've bounced this off both Gil Robertson and Phil Wheeler and they both estimate there must be somewhere 10 radionic instruments in people's closets in Australia for every one that is in use. That is a serious shortcoming looking for a solution. I'd like to see all those instruments put to use, and how do we get there? David von Pein and Des Whatley want me up in Queensland in August after the IQOC (Inaugeral Queensland Organic Conference) which I am committed to as a speaker. I don't have their e-mail addresses, though you may have. Cheryl is saying something about the annual meeting of the BD Association down in NSW (perhaps in Albury) somewhere during that time period from mid July to mid August. I'd like to coordinate dates with her, though I realize she will have her hands full with that gala event. Best, Hugh Hugh wrote> > Right now Im faced with a conumdrum. At Albury folks were presented with a > procedure in its full-blown oiperation using both card instruments and dial > instruments. They saw the treatments get set up and turned on and maybe > they saw when they were turned off > > That's the shape those who attended Aulbury and the other workshops are > presently in. They saw the operation, but now they need a couple of days > real hands on with coaching to be able to go home and do this work. And > there's several stages where they need coaching. > Probably the dowsing is > the most critical as almost anyone can turn a dial and select a card or > remedy. The dowsing, of course, will take time to build up confidence and > accuracy. But a lot of them need to get some real hands-on practice with a > coach first. > > That's the need--to give some real hands-on coaching, practical stuff where > everyone brings an instrument and we pair off and practice. I'll see what I > can do about coming up with a set of exercises. Lorraine Cahill, who works > with me here at UAI, would be good at this. It doesn't matter too much what > kind of instrument, we can work with it. > >Dear Hugh > Maybe we could get some local groups going with this. If >Lorraine could work up a set of excercises so we're all going in the same >direction, we should be able to yard up some coaches to take groups of say >twenty and just work on the dowsing side - its mainly a practice and >confidence thing - questioning technique is a problem for a lot of people >too. I feel confident enough with my pendulum to take a group and I'm sure >we could find others to do so in the other regions but I think this needs >some direction. >When you come out in July/August how much time will you have available for >possibly running smaller regional workshops? >Cheers >Lloyd Charles Visit our website at: www.unionag.org
Re: An il's problem
Thank-you for showing your thought process in solving Anil's problem. I hope it works as well in Anil's tropical environment as it does in our temperate climate. Michael Dear Michael, I have reason to believe it, meaning using biodynamics with a fine touch, may work much better in the tropics than in the temperate zones. Peter Proctor told me that in India he saw changes in the life of the topsoil reaching something like 9 inches deep the first year, whereas he though similar progress in New Zealand required three or four years. Best, Hugh Visit our website at: www.unionag.org
Re: Chembuster Plans
>What happens to the chemicals when the chemtrails or smoggy haze is >"busted?" > >Lance >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >- Original Message - >From: "Richard Kalin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 8:41 AM >Subject: Chembuster Plans > > >> >> >> http://educate-yourself.org/ct/goodbyects10jan02.shtml >> Lance, et. al., I dunno, but I might venture a few guesses based on observation of the ether when a stagnant, murky, hazy, oppressive condition changed over to vibrant and cheerful . I think oxygen is key, it carries the etheric organization, whether organization or disorganization. Whe you have pollution and disorganization and the Sun's rays percolate down through there and one of the results is ozone. Only if the ozone just sits there and doesn't react with the rest of what's up there, do we have a drought. If the ozone decides to react the haze clears. Then clouds form and the cloud ceiling comes down, the definitios and degree of concentration of the clouds increase and there's more of a tingle in the air. If one had a way of working with the oxygen in our environment, pareticularly in the atmosphere, we would clear it up, or you might say it would clear up. It was Courtney's contention that what he called "Energy Balancing Procedure" by applying all of the BD preps sequentially, first the horn applications of 500 and 501, then barrel compound and horsetail (508) in a tight sequence. This would commonly be done starting with 500 first evening, 501 nesxt morning, barrel compound that evening and ending with horsetail the following morning. Two days back to back. In Courtney's words, "The preps will draw to them what they need within the farm organism. If you need rain, you 'll get rain." I think it might be more revealing to look at this process in terms of oxygen instead of rain. When the ozone reacts with water in the atmosphere, does this make hydrogen peroxide, and if so to what degree? Does the degree vary? How widely? Are there any known cirsumstances that vary in any predictible way corresponding to what oxygen was doing or not doing at that time in the atmosphere. You know, one of my first misconceptions my teachers had to get me to expell before I could seriously study chemistry, was that chemical reactions went in only one direction--as for instance chlorine does when it encounters sodium. That's one that does go in one direction to a high degree, but under certain conditions this reaction reverses to a high degree. What I realized was that ALL chemical reactions are reversable under certain conditions. The conditions being the existing parameters of fluctuating variables. Basically all chemical reactions go both directions and what a chemist looks for is an equili reaction. What the industrial chemist/engineer must do is see what can and must be done to shift the equilib rium in a desired way and produce something with chemical activirty within a normal environment. It might be nice if someone did a study of the pathways and conditions for oxygen's activities in the atmosphere under various conditions. And, of course there's a chance someone has. Which means a search of the literature might be a good idea. It also would be good to better pin down the roles of sulfur and phosphorous, both in the atmosphere and in the plant. Such a survey is worth looking through the literature to see what you found. Surely you'd find something. When it comes to living organisms that contain within them their patterns of organization--as compared to the rocks and bodies of water whose organizational patterns are generalized throughout the environment.--their chemical equilibria are exceedingly sensitive and complex. Evershifting, and probably none of shifts any faster than brain chemistry. Anyway, I know brain chemistry is pretty complex. The Budha seemed to think that there were 17 trillion thought events per second. I'd say, based on my own biofeedback work, that sounds about right. I might have picked a similar figure. Hmmm. In any event oxygen is bound to have a pathway from free oxygen, or as Steiner referred to it, "dead" oxygen in the atmosphere to bound ,or "living" oxygen in the water and in the earrth. This pathway or pathways could be determined--and to some degree must have been determined--satisfactorily in the literature We should keep in mind that homeopathic preparations can have some strong influences on the chemical equilibria of the life forms on our farms. I think that's pretty well established, though I might know some who would argue. Well, I'd better get to bed. Hugh . What is the effect on the chemistry of polluted air? How does hydrogen peroxide react with pollution? Peroxide's still a free radical, though somewhat more muted than ozone. Isn't that hydrogen peroxide somewhat better than benigfn in regard to the pollution? There was a guy up in Ontario that sent me compost samples for some time. My test showed the piles that ha
Re: Austr. Workshop/ Was there a higher purpose?
>Dear Hugh >You may have guessed there was more intended in my last post - I hit send >instead of save - at any rate most of what I meant to say seems to have come >across. Thanks for your thoughts. I have strong opinions on the way the high >country is being, and should be managed, (mismanaged). I've spent a lot of >time up there since I was a kid and my family has close connections with >people that lived and worked there way back before it was turned into an >incendiary device (national park). Educated people would not agree with me >but they dont know the land over a long period and most of them have motives >that relate more to politics than anything else. >Cheers >Lloyd Charles Dear Lloyd, It is normal, or usual, for educated people to have vastly erroneous ideas about practical matters with which they have little experience. Yet, they THINK they know so much. I guess I can say this as a person of extensive education who has no degrees whatever and has learned a great deal of what I know from actual experience. And yet I too fall into the common trap from time to time, thinking I know something when I'm way off the beam. Truth is, though, that had I pursued degree programs to get the kind of education I have, I would have had to spend so much time in classrooms and labs that I wouldn't have had much time for such experiences as building highway bridges, cooking on oil rigs, driving trucks, playing chess in the ghetto, working in a fish market, publishing newspapers or any of the other rich life experiences I've had that bring it all home and make it real. It seems like in school you only learn about things, while in life in general you have the opportunity to really learn things. As the anthroposophical joke goes, the end of the world was done and all of humanity was walking on the road of destiny to its celestial goal.. Lo, they came to a fork in the road. On the one hand the sign said HEAVEN, and on the other it said LECTURE ABOUT HEAVEN. The better part of humanity took off up the road to heaven, while the anthroposophists firmed their resolve and went up the other road to hear about heaven. Right now Im faced with a conumdrum. At Albury folks were presented with a procedure in its full-blown oiperation using both card instruments and dial instruments. They saw the treatments get set up and turned on and maybe they saw when they were turned off. It was like getting a bunch of lawn maintenance workers from the city and taking them through a milking parlor, maybe a double four herringbone with recessed floor. The feeders are automatic so they never even see them. The compressors are going, the cows are washed and milkers attached and the milk flows down the pipeline to the bulk tank. The observer gets some idea of how it all works, but you turn it over to them to do the next milking and they are utterly lost. They don't know to wash up the pipeline while they are getting the cows in the lot. They don't know how to switch over the pipes from the washer to the bulk tank and to put the filter sock on the insert in the pipeline. They don't know the first things about teat management, how to strip, what's going on with the feeding, when a cow is in heat, how to tell a cow's identity from glancing at her bag, the whole schmear. What each would need so you could turn your back on them and let them do the job is a couple day's coaching. That's the shape those who attended Aulbury and the other workshops are presently in. They saw the operation, but now they need a couple of days real hands on with coaching to be able to go home and do this work. And there's several stages where they need coaching. Probably the dowsing is the most critical as almost anyone can turn a dial and select a card or remedy. The dowsing, of course, will take time to build up confidence and accuracy. But a lot of them need to get some real hands-on practice with a coach first. That's the need--to give some real hands-on coaching, practical stuff where everyone brings an instrument and we pair off and practice. I'll see what I can do about coming up with a set of exercises. Lorraine Cahill, who works with me here at UAI, would be good at this. It doesn't matter too much what kind of instrument, we can work with it. Well, I must go for now. Had to interrupt my day to make a farmer up in Illinois a weed reagent. I carbonized his giant ragweed seed in a cast iron skillet and made a card from it. I've taken a strip of plastic and cut a slit in it where I can make the marks. I place it at the center of the card form, pinned to a board with a push pin and rotate and dowse for the sector marks. Giant ragweed came up with 6 sector marks. Then I made his reagent on a vial of placebo tablets with a little 8o proof organic vodka with the prue machine. Now I'm sending it out. I seldom make reagents like this. I leave it up to Lorraine, but she is attending a class in Pennsylvania this week and this farmer couldn't wait. See ya! Best
Re: Austr. Workshop/ Was there a higher purpose?
Dear Lloyd, You raise some good points. So it was extremely lucky that the burned areas did not receive any downpours, eh? It seems that may written intention, used with ALL treatments by both Peter and myself, was this: If it be Thy will, let the powers of nature converge to bring in beneficial energies and to transform any detrimental energies into beneficial ones within the boundaries as marked for now and in the future for as long as is appropriate. Amen. This is pretty standard and it covers a multitude of possibilities to sin that might otherwise lead to grief. If it kept the mountains around Albury from getting deluged, so be it. In order to get those gentle rains you speak of you can write another intent card to go with that one that asks for " gentle falls of rain to germinate some ground cover and stabilise the soil before any major rainfall rips it to shreds." And you're right that it is customary to use some version of "For the benefit of all and the detriment of none." I left it off for brevity and because I interpret the b it about beneficial energies and transforming detrimental energies as covering that base. But you bring up something that is of overarching importance. Using radionics requires a purity of heartfelt intention, and an open-handed blessing of all, that sets the stage for getting results. To do it for narrow, selfish ends to ANYone's detriment is disempowering and usually it won't work. This is not to say you couldn't snip out GW's picture and treat him on necrosis in the heart muscle and lace the treatment with a slug of strychnine. You certainly could. But what actual good would it do? If you knew his real significance, "The Man Who Polarized the World into Peace by Trying To Rule It" you would applaud his performance as a class act, no matter the degree to which he is identified with what he is doing and has no external view on himself.. If you tried such a thing, who would most likely visit the mortician's slab would be you. Pure backfire, and not rare, either. In fact, by doing what he is doing with such arrogant self-assurance, he is waking up the very people he caught up in unconscious, knee-jerk reaction with 9 11 Best, Hugh > >Dear Hugh, >Tobias is correct about the rain around Albury, we had good rain at our farm >(almost five inches) and there has been from two inches up to ten or so as >you travel north from us into SE queensland, most of the eastern side of the >wheat belt and into the tablelands had useful to good falls and most of the >coastal strip from Victorian border to well up into queensland. The inland >areas - western NSW and Queensland missed out and that is a large area of >country - we had a not so subtle reminder of it yesterday - 40+ mph NW winds >carrying red dust all day when the wind eased and turned south west last >night we got visibility reduced to about 80 yards and quite a bit of >fallout. >The rain petered out as you got closer to Albury - most farmers around there >are probably not all that happy. However there are a few things to consider. > >1. There is several million acres of the alpine country and surrounding >forest areas burnt to a cinder - mostly in an arc around the east and south >east of Albury, probably the most damaging wild fires we have had since >white settlement. >2. much of this damage is within the catchment of the hume dam and a lot of >the rest is catchment for the snowy mountains hydro scheme >3. If the Albury area and east into the mountains had recieved the same >amount and like manner of rain that we got on our farm, it would have been a >disaster of mammoth proportions , the Hume dam would now be half full of >ash, mud and the remains of dead things, damage to infrastructure in the >high country would be a huge mess - what that country most desperately needs >is several light gentle falls of rain to germinate some ground cover and >stabilise the soil before any major rainfall rips it to shreds. >4. When we do these radionic treatments we ask ''for the good of all and to >the detriment of no one'' or something of similar meaning - do we interpret >this as ''for the greater good'' Visit our website at: www.unionag.org
Re: Help
Dear Michael Roboz, Why would I use homeopathic horn clay followed by an evening yarrow (502) homeopathic soil spray and the next morning a foliar valerian (507) spray to control spider mites in tea plants? Here is part of the explanation from another post. It explains why the horn clay but does not make the 502-507 tandem spray clear so read on with a little patience. Dears, Upon seeing aphids I would tend to think the sap is weak and watery. If you tasted this sap (as good a test, if not better, as a refractometer) it would be bland rather than rich and catch-at-your-throat. To some extent 501 WILL help, as it influences the strength with which the silica force comes up from within the earth , and that is what carries the lime and other strong minerals upward along with the nitrogen, which is what makes the plant lush. But the real key is the clay, which is the mediator between silica and lime and is what needs stimulating if the silica force is to carry lime up into the sap of the plant and to the growing tip. Thus the sure-fire remedy--I suspect almost every time--for aphids is horn clay. Apply it along with applications of horn manure and horn silica and you not only won't see any imbalances between lime and silica and your basil won't rush too bloody quickly to bloom, but you won't see any aphids. Tony Robinson (Rambler Flowers) will probably remember digging up his horn clay when I gave a workshop at his place in August of 2000. It was one of the best examples of fungal (mycorrhyzal) development I've seen in horn clay. But, of course, I haven't seen as much horn clay as all that because it isn't so widely made as yet, having not been specifically recommended in the Agriculture Course. Nonetheless, I have slides of Tony's horn clay and you can see the rich fungal development. This is what you want on your plant roots. Mycorrhyzal colonization of plant roots can increase the mineral uptake of a plant by a factor of 10 or more. Clay mediates between silica and lime all right. It's the bridge that get the lime, phosphorus, potash, etc. into the plant. Here's a "Steiner said." On pages 32 and 33 of the Agriculture Course, Creeger/Gardener translation, Steiner is talking about the mineral forces and their tendency to crystalize and to become free from the Earth's influence and come under the influence of the "distant cosmic forces that are within the earth." He goes on to say, "Let me remark here that if we are dealing with a soil that does not carry these influences upward during the winter as it should, it is good to furnish the soil with some clay, the dosage of which I will indicate later. With the clay, we prepare the soil to conduct the crystalline force upward, for the plant growth above the Earth's surface." Horn clay will also cure spider mites, grasshoppers, and quite a few other insect infestations. I remember one Florida nursery under shadecloth where in the less lush area Pitosporum had absolutely no spider mites while the lusher areas were infested.There are a couple of species of predatory mites that eat spider mites, and I was using a small Radio Shack microscope watching this process. The predator mites were racing around the leaf, pinching the sloth-like, sucking spider mites as though they were Hansel's witch checking to see if he was ready to roast yet. In the area with the weaker sap they kept racing around, checking but not eating. In the stronger sap areas there simply weren't any spider mites. The predators had them completely in check. Taste a leaf in the weaker sap area? Mild and the juice could be swallowed pleasantly enough. Taste a leaf from the stronger sap part? Whew, the caustic limeness of it warned you not to swallow. The remedy for the area where the plants were too lush and the nitrogen uptake was well ahead of the lime was horn clay. Incidentally, in making horn clay, when you take it out of the horn, DON'T scrape off the fungi and dispose of this before drying and grinding the clay, unless you are trying to collect a little concentrate horn clay fungi. That fungi is what you want, in aces and spades. It is one of the chief keys to how horn clay operates. And thanks, Tony, for making such wonderful horn clay. What have been your experiences in using it? Best wishes, Hugh Lovel Okay. Why the 504 along with the horn clay? Simply that 504 is a circulatory remedy that carries the magnesium up to the leaf to play its role in the chloroplasts as the central ion in chlorophyll. This helps to round out the picture with the horn clay and the uptake of calcium. But there is even more to this picture. Yarrow is known to be one of the plants to first colonize new soils, as with the slopes of Mt. Hood, Mt. St. Helens, etc. It works with the watery element especially well, and mycorrhyzae have a special affinity for it. It loves both the very fluid potash that is key t
Austr. Workshop/ What was the purpose?
he most economical ones of their type. I'd send the Albury files MIchelle put together, but I try not to send attachments over the BD List. But you might try calling Michelle or Cheryl to see what can be organized. Meanwhile better see what you can do to finish the job at Albury, and I'll help all I can with questions and answers from this end. Warm regards, Hugh Lovel Visit our website at: www.unionag.org
Re: Viewpoint of US military man: The idiot prince will have hiswar
Dear Deborah, Very, very interesting. First of all, I would not assume the Iraqi military will give any serious resistance to the Bush war machine. But the Kurds, who are the farmers of northern Iraq, have every expectation of being targeted by the US for the greater part of the destruction since Turkey is on the US side and mostly wants to see the Kurds worsted. Good analysis of the Kurd situation, and informative regarding the claim that Saddam gassed his own citizens in Kurdestan during the Iran/Iraq war. I find this information much more plausible--that the gas was an errant blow from the Iranian side rather than coming from the Iraqi side, since militarily Iraq had a lot more to lose from gassing those Kurds than not, and Iran had a lot more to gain since they weren't Iranian sympathisers but Iraqi farmers. Just another example of deliberate government misinformation, about on par with claiming Lee Harvey Oswald assassinated JFK. Say it enough and it passes into the history books as verity. What I fear is this war has nothing whatever to do with "liberating" Iraq, though I think that might be a good thing--even though I don't think it will happen. The US doesn't have a good history of liberating people, as foreign policy becomes very unpredictable when democrscy rises up and becomes very predictable when strongman rule occurs. It is not normally the US agenda to foster unpredictability, simple as that. But this war of occupation will very certainly provide the US the springboard for an invasion of Iran, which is not an option without having a big land army on the borders. That Bush would come to grief in this business was predicted to me early last October by Glen Atkinson who pointed out that GW has Pluto on his midheaven in Iraq. This is another way of saying that in Iraq he has the chance to be the big cheese, but it is extremely likely to be his utter and complete downfall. Pluto is the planet of death and rebirth, so hopefully it will teach him some really important, significant lesson on the soul level. More power to him. Bedst, Hugh Visit our website at: www.unionag.org
Australia
Dear List Readers, It's good to be home again. I've been finding the chance to cook a bit once more, and I'm starting to get back on an even keel. Been doing cajun seasoned shrimp/avocado/carrot slivver/shredded rape/dulse shusi rolls. God I love shusi! I cook up gummy rice, turn it out and work it up with seasoned rice vinegar as I prepare all the other components. Then I roll and slice. I like my little Japanese chef's knife for this, though the blade is New Zealand in manufacture. I can't take these things on planes, however. After a month of Ceasar Salads in Australia where, pardon me, they don't know how to make Cesar Dressing, I just had to whip some up. My recipe? A heaping handful of peeled garlic, half a raw onion, half a cup of my dill pickle brine (touché!), juice of a raw lemon, a few herbs like basil and marjoram and immature (green) black pepper, a cup of cold pressed olive oil and a can of anchovies, whipped the blender until it is creamy. That tossed in the salad with my homemade grated hard cheese! Yummy! And it only takes ten minutes or so. But when its too much trouble doing croutons, none of those. My spare(?) money doesn't go into antique cars or my passion for golf or anything like that. I rarely go to any movies. I spend it on cooking. In my kitchen there are all kinds of knives, skillets, saucepans, chopping blocks, whisks, strainers, big soup kettles, griddles, mashers, spoons, ladles, flat pans, roasters, crock pots--you name it, and some machines like blenders and juicers too though I don't go in much for machinery in the kitchen any more than I go in for machinery in the wood lot. I burn wood for heat as it gets cold here and the wood heater is keeping the house warm now. Splitting wood with an axe is a zen art, but it's far easier with an axe once you've got it down than with big mauls and hydraulic log splitters. I feel the same way about making pizza dough. I mix it up in a pan and get the dough right and do I knead it out on the counter with flour everywhere? Not exactly. It's a lot less mess in a ziploc bag, though the plasticizing agent in the plastic worries me a bit. I imagine there's far more phthalates in saran wrap though. Phthalates are the estrogen mimetic chemicals in plastics that make the men unable to get it up. They soften plastics, so the softest plastics contain the most phthalates. This means, ladies, if your hubby is running around on you and you want to fix him so he can't, wrap up all his sandwiches in double layers of saran and microwave them good before sticking them in his lunch bag. He'll never know what hit him. Then after a year or so I suppose you want to give him all the propaganda about the dangers of Viagra. Just remember it cuts both ways and you'd better have a good vibrator. (I can say this, being single and wifey is not packing my lunch.) Anyway, the Australian Tour was a success from my point of view. We taught farmers a lot about using the Steiner remedies with radionics. I started out in Toowoomba telling lots of stories, which you can imagine is a passion of mine, and it wasn't until Western Australia that Cheryl got me reigned in with such a tight focus on the subject that I heard several comments of, "That was the best lecture on biodynamics I've ever heard!" Peter Reuhmkorff was terrific in leading the classes on dowsing and use of his Prue Instruments and cards. I learned a lot from him. And Hamish gave one of the best lectures I've heard introducing farmers to some of the higher rungs of Anthroposophical awareness. There really is so much to it that Hamish only gave an introduction, but it was excellent. Our treatments really clicked at all four workshops. There had been some recent rains at Toowoomba, though not out on the Darling Downs, and you could see the ether was still rather murky. The treatments at all four workshops brought some very light initial precipitation and cleared the ether. Then in every case rain moved in following the workshop as it normally would cycle if the ethers were healthy. So in that respect, and it was a big one, the workshops were very successful and the Australian drought is now broken. Many will say that the drought was fixing to end anyway. Glen points out the astrological portents were good for rain beginning around the month of February for Australia. And I think that is true. Our workshops were in a very good window. But as Glen points out, that just made it easier to boost it on over into true relief from drought rather than another lick and a promise. The weir at Lake Hume at Albury was reported down to 4% during the time our workshop was held, and that's critical for fish survival there, and was the result of around 2 years of drought on the Murray watershed. They sure didn't need another round of weak relief. You should have been there and seen the thickness of the murk when the workshop began, and how the ether cleared up! I'd say it was dramatic. Peter and I started the evening pr
Re: Help
Dears, Upon seeing aphids I would tend to think the sap is weak and watery. If you tasted this sap (as good a test, if not better, as a refractometer) it would be bland rather than rich and catch-at-your-throat. To some extent 501 WILL help, as it influences the strength with which the silica force comes up from within the earth , and that is what carries the lime and other strong minerals upward along with the nitrogen, which is what makes the plant lush. But the real key is the clay, which is the mediator between silica and lime and is what needs stimulating if the silica force is to carry lime up into the sap of the plant and to the growing tip. Thus the sure-fire remedy--I suspect almost every time--for aphids is horn clay. Apply it along with applications of horn manure and horn silica and you not only won't see any imbalances between lime and silica and your basil won't rush too bloody quickly to bloom, but you won't see any aphids. Tony Robinson (Rambler Flowers) will probably remember digging up his horn clay when I gave a workshop at his place in August of 2000. It was one of the best examples of fungal (mycorrhyzal) development I've seen in horn clay. But, of course, I haven't seen as much horn clay as all that because it isn't so widely made as yet, having not been specifically recommended in the Agriculture Course. Nonetheless, I have slides of Tony's horn clay and you can see the rich fungal development. This is what you want on your plant roots. Mycorrhyzal colonization of plant roots can increase the mineral uptake of a plant by a factor of 10 or more. Clay mediates between silica and lime all right. It's the bridge that get the lime, phosphorus, potash, etc. into the plant. Here's a "Steiner said." On pages 32 and 33 of the Agriculture Course, Creeger/Gardener translation, Steiner is talking about the mineral forces and their tendency to crystalize and to become free from the Earth's influence and come under the influence of the "distant cosmic forces that are within the earth." He goes on to say, "Let me remark here that if we are dealing with a soil that does not carry these influences upward during the winter as it should, it is good to furnish the soil with some clay, the dosage of which I will indicate later. With the clay, we prepare the soil to conduct the crystalline force upward, for the plant growth above the Earth's surface." Horn clay will also cure spider mites, grasshoppers, and quite a few other insect infestations. I remember one Florida nursery under shadecloth where in the less lush area Pitosporum had absolutely no spider mites while the lusher areas were infested.There are a couple of species of predatory mites that eat spider mites, and I was using a small Radio Shack microscope watching this process. The predator mites were racing around the leaf, pinching the sloth-like, sucking spider mites as though they were Hansel's witch checking to see if he was ready to roast yet. In the area with the weaker sap they kept racing around, checking but not eating. In the stronger sap areas there simply weren't any spider mites. The predators had them completely in check. Taste a leaf in the weaker sap area? Mild and the juice could be swallowed pleasantly enough. Taste a leaf from the stronger sap part? Whew, the caustic limeness of it warned you not to swallow. The remedy for the area where the plants were too lush and the nitrogen uptake was well ahead of the lime was horn clay. Incidentally, in making horn clay, when you take it out of the horn, DON'T scrape off the fungi and dispose of this before drying and grinding the clay, unless you are trying to collect a little concentrate horn clay fungi. That fungi is what you want, in aces and spades. It is one of the chief keys to how horn clay operates. And thanks, Tony, for making such wonderful horn clay. What have been your experiences in using it? Best wishes, Hugh Lovel >> >Have used 501 four times this season on indoor tomatoes. We had the best >plants ever and unusually few fungal diseases. Sweet basil,though, tends to >bud straight after application, but plants also ended up more fungus >resistant. Small inconvenient really and a nice proof that 501 works! But I >agree with Grotzke: I would not treat tomatoes and f.ex lettuces at the same >time: unless I wanted seedheads on my lettuces! > >Daniel Visit our website at: www.unionag.org
Re: Hugh & Steve
When is a good time to fax the chembuster plans? I think I got a few pages through to Steve and could not connect to Hugh. We are in and out through the day, working away from the phone, so I need a time, maybe adjusted for MST, we are in NM. Dwayne Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! Dwayne, Just about any time suits me. Hugh Visit our website at: www.unionag.org
Re: Cloudbusters
Hugh, In the 2 "cloudbusters" that I have built, one is with copper tubes and the other is wilth metal conduit. There may be an optimal metal (copper) but I believe that most any metal will work. One fellow in Africa made one with rebar and it worked. I have read that the strongest effect is with groups of 3 or 5 cloudbusters. I have one more to build. The more crystals in each tube, certain magnets in the base, all thede things effect more power. Intent is a large part of the accomplisment also. Since they attract moisture if it is in the area it is useful to water the tubes on a daily basis. I have a copy of Don Croft's instructions for building a cloudbuster and could fax to you if you like, give me a number. Dwayne Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online Dear Dwayne, My Fax number is 706 745 6056. I'm hoping we can agree on some name other than cloudbusters for these disorganizational energy remediation devices. Chembusters I like, and it has a closeness with the use of the term cloudbuster, as a tool to break up chem trails. But toxbusters, reorganizers, or something more poetic etc. might do in some circles. It wouldn't hurt to have two or three names just as long as we don't muddy the waters by borrowing a term that has been in use for something else low this past half century, especially something rather similar but different. That has been a real tactical error so far, as it is guaranteed to lead to miscommunication, misunderstanding and misemotion. Best wishes, Hugh Visit our website at: www.unionag.org
Re: orgone and stirring
S Storch writes:
>The stirring machine actually does organize and accumulate orgone. I have
>also observed {if my eyes don't deceive me] the opening of energy portals,
>mainly from the northeasterly/ northern direction. Maybe I cannot see the
>others due to the position of the Sun. I have not seen a cloudbuster in
>person, only from a picture. The weather is so disturbed here that the bd's
>by themselves sometimes do not cause rain. I thought this type of design may
>help more than either alone, but I would love to trya cloudbuster. DeMeo
>wants me to take some classes with him though first. It could be that I am
>getting closer to taking the help of a fb.
>Do you think that the positive energy of the stirring with the bd's would
>eliminate the dor? Steiner after all said not to worry too much about
>contamination, it may be good for the process and it is present
>anyway...sstorch
Dear Steve,
As I imagine you have already observed, good, healthy OR is what goes on
when the atmosphere is fresh and sparkly and there is no haze. Clouds, if
present have sharp, clear definition. You feel energetic and of good cheer
without even thinking about it.
DOR is where the haze sets in and the atmosphere gets heavy and oppressive.
The horizon has a brown or at least a grey haze like well dispersed smoke.
Clouds, if present occur above this haze and they seem to struggle to form
or to condense any precipitation. It makes you feel sweaty, oily and
lackluster. And you may feel grumpy, petulant, even mean, but it almost
seems to be at everything and anything.
As you can imagine there are folks who seem to go around with a lot of OR
energy, and others who seem thoroughly permeated with--even seem to
generate--DOR.
Stirring and spraying Steiner's agricultural remedies and the permutations
thereof DO tend to remediate DOR. Think how a morning application of horn
silica adds a cheer and sparkle to the air. But what has gone on in
biodynamics so far is no final answer, as many have wished to believe. We
still have many problems, especially as the world around us has long been
getting much worse while we have only made things a wee bit better.
I've long perceived you as one of those who takes seriously Steiner's
injunction to start with his general indications and find what the best
ways of implementing them may be. That's bleepin' admirable, mate. But if
you were thinking of building a cloudbuster to get regular rainfall I'd
agree with De Meo that you should take some courses from him first--except
how would you do that with someone who, as Lloyd Charles put it, is "coming
from a position of authority and dumping a bucket on the whole thing."?
So with your energy and mechanical expertise build yourself a chembuster
and set it up on your farm. Build two and give one to JPI. Build three and
sell me one.
Here's one of our problems in BD--making preps of the highest quality. We
are making these remedies in an environment filled with DOR and tending to
get worse, not better. Sure, we've gotten our farms somewhat better, and as
we do we make better remedies. But from the sound of things we could make a
big leap forward in prep quality by chembusting in the locations where our
remedies are made. Then we would make better preps and by stirring and
spraying them in these environments--or field broadcasting them
likewise--we would accomplish even greater increases in organization of the
ether. And if you made an orgone accumulator out of your stirring machine
in this environment you should have very little DOR in your sprays and a
whole lot of really organized etheric energy. God only knows how high the
quality of your food would go.
Market this system to others, and above all give it away for free because
there's no way in a thousand years that you can do all that needs to be
done yourself. For one thing chembusting with the BB preps would benefit
from more R & D than you alone can give it. If you need, I'll help you
publicize the details so we can get this show on the road and stop mucking
around.
God how I would like to wipe out whingeing victimhood and other
misemotions, which is amongst the chief reasons Steiner developed his
agricultural remedies and gave his agriculture course in the first place.
How did Pfeiffer put it in his preface to the Agriculture Course? "I was
particularly anxious to get an answer to the question of how to build
abridge to active participation and the carrying out of spiritual
intentions without being pulled off the right path by personal ambition,
illusions and petty jealousies, for these were the negative qualities
Rudolf Steiner had named as the main inner hindrances." I guess he left out
lapsing into snivveling victimhood, though petty jealousy includes a heap
of whining in its mix.
Well, think about it.
Best,
Hugh
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Orgone, DOR, Accumulators, Conductors and DOR Remediators
>A cloudbuster is an orgone generator, keeps the energy moving. It is said to >cause headaches in some people though my partner and I have never experienced >them. They woud be safe to use, and in my experience attract moisture if it >is in the area. I do not know if there is any way to measure output other >than dowsing. We may not have ours located in the optimum spot, just handy. Dear Dwayne, Storch, et. al., How about if we start considering these Croft type orgone regenerators chembusters instead of cloudbusters? I think it would stop confusing people and triggering the hairs of people of long acknowledged expertise so that they go off into a vortex without investigating and discovering the confusion entered into what was existing Reichian terminology? This is something new. Please let's have a new name for it. Orgone accumulators accumulate organized and disorganized ether BOTH. The disorganized ether, or DOR, is deadly and dangerous. Cloudbusters attract AND conduct both organized and disorganized ether, and can also be deadly and dangerous. NEITHER of these Reichian devices remediate disorganized conditions of the ether worth a rat's tail. Apparantly chembusters do a pretty fair job of re-organizing disorganized ether. I've been looking for something of this sort for years, but in my usual fashion I've merely tossed around ideas because I have nowhere near enough time and resources to focus on such a thing to invent it. So I've watched and waited. Now it shows up? Viola! But we don't need to waste time fighting amidst a confusion of terms. Let's straighten that out so we can really go places without fratricidal bickering. What I'd especially be interested in is finding an economical to produce design of excellence for a chembuster that can be manufactured and sold to farmers and hobbyists who like myself haven't the time to come up to speed on their own. That would be very helpful. Then you or I or someone could go into business doing something that made folks self-sufficient so that down the road we ended up curing problems instead of creating them--and then we'd put ourselves out of business after we got the job done, and be able to go on to more important pursuits. I'd personally like to be a school teacher and a novelist if I could only get things healthy in agriculture first. We're an agrarian society, you know. Everything we do is based on agriculture. Presently our agriculture is killing us. So as far as I'm concerned it's basics first. Then we can light peoples' fires to really go places from there. Best wishes, Hugh Visit our website at: www.unionag.org
Re: orgone and stirring
Are you sure it is an orgone accumulator that you are going to build and not a cloudbuster. Reich's accumulator is very powerful, and dangerous. It accumulates positive and negative energy; the operator cannot be around the machine for more than short periods of time and if contacted can cause serious physical harm. A cloudbuster is an orgone generator, keeps the energy moving. It is said to cause headaches in some people though my partner and I have never experienced them. They woud be safe to use, and in my experience attract moisture if it is in the area. I do not know if there is any way to measure output other than dowsing. We may not have ours located in the optimum spot, just handy. Working with subtle and not so subtle energies, err on the side of caution. Dwayne Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online Dear Dwayne, By now you should have gotten my post on BDnow clearing this up . If not, let me know. Best, Hugh Visit our website at: www.unionag.org
Plutonium Warfare
Again Dears, Actually I hope ya'all notice I sent this to the list alone. It might not be a good idea to spread this around indiscriminately. It would be well to remember that the conditions that led Germany to war with Britain and France in WW I (they had Germany over a barrel and were abusing her) were set up again in aces and spades after Germany lost that war. Steiner commented on this in his Agriculture Course, and these conditions led inevitably to the second World War. In the process the led to the rise of Hitler. The conditions were unjust, much as the exploitation of Arabia for its oil has been unjust. Many in the west felt in the beginning that Hitler was to be admired for righting the wrongs that had been visited upon Germany. And yet we wouldn't have wanted Hitler to have won the second World War, would we? There is evil and madness loose in the world and we see it in ascendancy on all sides. We see it in our own government and in those opposing it we see the same or even worse. Our own government seems commited to the use of plutonium bombs. Any idea how much worse a thermonuclear hydrogen bomb is? It is made by injecting Tritium (H3) into the center of a plutonium bomb at the moment it goes critical. The plutonium bomb produces the few million degrees necessary for hydrogen fusion to occur and THAT makes the plutonium bomb look like a child's squib compared to an artillary shell or perhaps even worse. Instead of leveling a tall building it could level a whole city. If you had to accept our own government using plutonium in order to prevent a determined opposition from delivering a tritium bomb on Tel Aviv and Jerusalem, would you accept it knowing the possible alternative? Then would the absurd posturings of GW and his crew make some sense? Then would it make sense for the senior GB to have left the Iraqi tyrant in place knowing he might have to use him as a foil to subdue a much greater foe? Often things that don't make sense at the time look differently in hindsight. It is a very good thing that we have so much protest against war now. Just let's not get carried away with it. There is some sort of charade being carried out in the UN and in the World that looks one way now but will look different later. There can hardly be any doubt that GW is the most corporate ass licking, pollutive, bellicose president we've ever had. But let's see where the chips end up. Let's keep in mind that there may be much worse alternatives to North Korea and Iraq having a few pocket nukes. There's those hundred MEGA ton types, and if I have a pretty clear idea of how to build one (talk to me off this list if your interest is PURELY academic) because I have a seat of the pants understanding of nuclear physics and a mind able to think, they CAN be built by a nation as powerful as Iran. And since the fall of the USSR the knowledge of how to build the most powerful designs--without testing--could have fallen into the hands of almost any determined seeker, seems to me. I neither like war nor GW and I can't help but feel his sort of corporate exploitation of the world is very much what has led us to our present pass. I hope we all keep protesting for peace, while I also hope we don't get too carried away with condemning an administration that we simply cannot know how to pass judgment on. We'll know better in a few years--perhaps. What kind of world would this have been had Hitler won? We'll never know. I like it all right the way destiny has dealt the cards. Peace and Love, Always, Hugh Lovel Previously I wrote: Dears, Some may take it a bit amiss to post this on an agricultural list, but warfare always is the antithesis of good agriculture. As has been pointed out elsewhere, as any sociologist would say, mankind lives today as a global agrarian society. There are not that many ways of acquiring the kind of wealth an agrarian society requires to consider itself wealthy. 1. Best, to produce it through agriculture. 2. Second best, to inherit it or extract it from nature and use it in exchange for someelse's products of agriculture. 3. Worst, to acquire it through warfare. etc. . . .-- Visit our website at: www.unionag.org
Re: Cloudbusters
Dear Gregory Connor Brown from Bradonton, Florida, Also Dear Dwayne, Lloyd, et. al., Thanks buckets and dumptrucks! It was just as I suspected, that I needed to see the design of one of these chemtrail "cloudbusters." Obviously from your wonderfully detailed post the controversy about the dangers of dispersing chem trails with cloudbusters is more misunderstanding and misemotion than anything else. Also thanks for the positive emotional approach of this whole post. I like it, I like it. The way out of victimhood--every time--involves dispelling misemotion. I'm spreading this information about, and thanks again for the clarity. Sounds like you've been around one of these "chembusters", as you call them, a bit yourself. We all need a lot more of that, and when I can find the time I will build one myself. Will aluminum pipes do? I happen to have a bundle. Best, Hugh Lovel >Dear Hugh, >I have read the thread in BDNOW about cloudbusters and hope this can >clear things up. > >Educate-Yourself >The Freedom of Knowledge, The Power of Thought © > > Current News | Introduction | Colloidal Silver | Chemtrails | >Emerging Diseases | Forbidden Cures | Immunity Boosting >Nutrition | Mind-Body Connection | Ozone | Bioelectrification | Story on >Drugs | Vaccine Dangers | Cancer | Newsletter >Coming Attractions | New World Order | NWO News | Pam Schuffert | >Reports From Peru | Phil Schneider | Al Bielek > Trevor James Constable | Mind Control | Brice Taylor | Ted >Gunderson | Free Energy | Membership | Help | Discussion | 2003 >Don & Carol Croft | Anna Hayes | Gary Wade | Tone Generator | Home | >Contact Us | Products | Search | Letters | Links >Of Cloudbusters, Chembusters, >Trevor, Jeff, Reich, & Croft >By Ken Adachi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >http://educate-yourself.org/cn/chembustersexplained24feb03.shtml >February 24, 2003 >A woman by the name of Carla Muth sent me an e-mail on Feb. 23, 2003 >which included a copy of the transcript of Trevor James Constable's >comments on the dangers of cloudbusting taken from his Jan. 9, 2003 >radio interview with Jeff Rense and posted at Jeff's web site. The >excerpted transcript by Lorie Kramer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> can be read in >its entirety at this link: http://rense.com/general34/trev.htm >In the body of the transcript, Jeff ask Trevor: "The obvious question >that has always plagued me is - let's assume that these cloudbusters >work. Is this something that we want everybody to have in their garage >and to pull out on Saturdays...and play with the atmosphere and the >weather?" Trevor responds: I would say, no..." Trevor then continues >his narration and provides good reasons to support his concern about >amateurs engaging in cloudbusting. >Carla wanted me to know that these were Trevor's views on the >'chembuster'. However, that's not accurate. They are more properly >Trevor's views on the 'cloudbuster' and cloudbusting, but not on the >'chembuster'. And that is the crux of the 'controversy' to which my >reply below is directed. A fundamental misconception has arisen that the >people engaged in chemtrail dispersing, 'chembusting', are using a >'cloudbuster' and they are engaged in 'cloudbusting'. Neither is true >and I offer the information below to support that assertion. I want to >remind the reader that I greatly value Trevor Constable's friendship and >association and that I have the highest respect for both he and Jeff >Rense. >Hi Carla, >A few facts: >1. I contacted Jeff Rense to ask if he wanted to interview Trevor James >Constable on his show. >2. I'm aware of what Trevor said on the Jan 9 show and the second >interview he had with Jeff on Jan 30. >3. I already knew that both Jeff Rense and Trevor had a negative view of >Don Croft's chembuster work before the interviews. >4. I knew it was likely that the topic of Don's chembusting would come >up and that both Trevor and Jeff would criticize Don's chembusting work. >Despite that, I wanted to assist Trevor to be heard on Jeff's show >because he has a lot to offer and he deserved the sort of intelligent >and respectful handling that guests always receive from Jeff Rense. >5. I believe that Trevor and Jeff are both under the impression that Don >Croft is using a Reich type cloudbuster. It obvious that they both feel >irritation and impatience towards those promoting chembusting. All the >same, I know that both men are sincere and believe their criticism to be >valid and appropriate-based on the information they possess. >6. Jeff doesn't believe what Don is writing in The Adventures of Don & >Carol Croft and posted at my web
Re: orgone and stirring
>What would you think about an orgone accumulator built around my stirring >machine. I have just recieved the materials and am going to try it...??? >sstorch > ><< >From this and your other post it looks like I'd be interested in your >cloudbuster's design. Reich's original cloudbuster was intended >specifically to suck up DOR and channel it into running water, as were >Reich's medical DORbusters, which were smaller versions of the same sort. > Dear Steve, Your idea of orgone accumulation around your stirring vessel isn't bad in and of itself, but directing it with a cloudbuster array may have merit, especially on days when the ether is mostly unhealthy and there's plendy of DOR. The orgone accumulater, which is non-directional, would simply pick up the DOR, while with the cloudbuster array you might be able to aim it overhead at some relatively healthy point and draw a stream of healthy ether. Best, Dude, Hugh Visit our website at: www.unionag.org
Plutonium Warfare
Dears, Some may take it a bit amiss to post this on an agricultural list, but warfare always is the antithesis of good agriculture. As has been pointed out elsewhere, as any sociologist would say, mankind lives today as a global agrarian society. There are not that many ways of acquiring the kind of wealth an agrarian society requires to consider itself wealthy. 1. Best, to produce it through agriculture. 2. Second best, to inherit it or extract it from nature and use it in exchange for someelse's products of agriculture. 3. Worst, to acquire it through warfare. As to the coming war? I don't think it makes sense for the US president to invade Iraq now and have it over with come election time. Besides I don't think Iraq is truly any threat as the US has bombed them after Desert Storm for over a decade, even while bombing Yugoslavia, when the US ran out of cruise missles for a bit. What might truly be a threat is Iran, which the US could not invade without a land army at its borders. So I think the rhetoric about Iraq's weapons is a slight of hand. It is Iran that has the most dangerous weapons and the hurry is all about getting an army in position before Iran uses them against Israel (and the Great Satan, Israel's protector, the US). That way a full scale war would be going on in Iran at election time. GW may be no genius, but he clearly isn't the brains behind this administration anyway. But there IS some real brains behind what is going on and I don't think they intend to lose their re-election as GWs daddy did previously. Just my opinion, and you can take it for what it is worth. But if North Korea seriously can be treated as no threat when they admit to having a few small, relatively clean, plutonium warheads (probably about the size of what went off under each of the World Trade Center towers but big and powerful enough to register over two on the Richter Scale) what can Iraq do? Well, Bush is not making much ado by calling folks' attention to Iraq's nuclear weapons efforts, which is another peculiar thing. And anthrax when loosed in the US proved a rather poor plague and the administration is taking smallpox more seriously because it is known to spread easily from person to person, unlike anthrax. Poison gas might be more of a threat in a place like Israel, but Iraq has no way of sending it to the US. So what does he have? And Iran is a known and staunch supporter of the Palestinian fight against Israel and still to this day calls the US the Great Satan. So what's one to think? --HL PS. If it seems incredible that there was no mention of nuclear fallout after the WTC towers went down, consider this. Plutonium 239 is purely an alpha particle emitter. This is what makes it capable of causing a chain reaction/explosion, and it is very good at that. U 235 takes 50 kilos to reach critical mass whereas plutonium 239 only requires 10 kilos. Alpha particles are helium nuclei, which are heavy particles with a double plus charge of 2. They pick up the two electrons within inches of their emission. Thus they become helium gas and are virtually absorbed when emitted without any detectable radiation. It is gamma emitters that Geiger counters and similar radiation detection devices detect. The only such particles left from such a blast would have resulted from the small amount of the 10 kilos of plutonium that actually fissioned before the chain reaction blew itself apart enough the reaction ceased being critical--as not all that much of the plutonium fissions before the reaction mass expands enough to cease reacting. Thus what is known as a clean nuclear warhead. The vaporized plutonium left in the residues of dust and smoke after the blast are virtually indetectable by anything except a mass spectrograph. Yet it is extremely toxic if inhaled before its heavy, heavy particles settle, as was the smoke and dust from the collapse of the towers. I'm sure the toxicity of the dust and smoke was no coincidence and was unexplained by the materials the buildings were built of. And whoever detonated the pocket plutonium bombs in the basements of each tower is keeping mum. But get a copy of the tapes of the buildings' collapses and watch it. Consider there was no structural steel left sticking out above the rubble even though such beams are driven into bedrock and joined continuously to the tops of such buildings. Not your classic collapse but rather a classic demolition. --HL Visit our website at: www.unionag.org
Re: Help
Anif Dear, For this I would use homeopathically potentized biodynamic horn clay plus stinging nettle sprayed or treated radionically in the afternoon. Then an evening treatment of homeopathic biodynamic yarrow remedy (502) followed the next morning with homeopathic biodynamic valerian remedy (507). The treatment might need to be repeated a few times. I could explain why but it would take some time and here it is very late at night. What are your access to biodynamic remedies and what would be your means of applying them? Best wishes, Hugh Lovel, Georgia, USA >Dear Friends, >I will be very grateful, if anyone , can give me some information or >suggestions on how to control >Mites in Organic Tea, especially Red Spider Mite ( Oligonycus coffea ) >I work on a Organic Tea Plantation in South India, where we have also >started started to appreciate >the principles of BD farming and thus, very much in its infancy !! >Thanking you, >With Kind Regards >Anil Dharmapalan > >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Behalf Of Steve Diver >Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 7:50 AM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Fermented foods in China, book review > > >Here is a book review on fermented foods in China. > >When you think about (EM) Effective Microorganisms >from Japan and (IMO) Indigenous Microoganisms from >Korea, you realize you can learn about agricultural >applications of fermented soil and foliar cultures by learning >about fermented foods and microbiology.Soil biology >and microbial applications become clearer when you study >the whole process and the culture from which they emerge. > >Regards, >Steve Diver > >== >Book review in: >Food Research International >Volume 35, Issue 6 , 2002 , Pages 595-596 > >By >Danji Fukushima >Noda Institute for Scientific Research Noda-shi Chiba-ken >278-0037 Japan > >Science and Civilization in China, Volume 6, Part V: Fermentations >and Food Science > >H. T. Huang. Cambridge University Press, 2001, pp. 741. ISBN >0-521-6527-7. Price: $150.00 > >This book is part of "Science and Civilisation in China" series and >focused on the scientific basis and historical background of the >fermentations and food processing technologies that are the >mainstay of the Chinese dietary system. > >The Introduction described in Chapter (a) begins with a survey >of the food resources in ancient China, and an account of how >the food materials were prepared, cooked, and presented for >consumption. It is followed by Chapter (b), which is a review >on the literature and sources used in exploring the processing >technology. The main topic appears in Chapter (c): the >fermentation technology and its evolution to the production of >alcoholic drinks in their various manifestations. Included also is >a comparison of the very different technologies between East >Asia and the West for converting grains into alcoholic beverages >and an explanation of the reason for this difference. The next >topic discussed in Chapter (d) is the processing of soybeans to >convert to palatable, nutritious food products, such as bean >curds (non-fermented) or soy nuggets, soy pastes, soy sauce >(fermented), and others. Chapter (e) is on food processing >and preservation, including pasta and filamentous noodles. >The subsequent topic described in Chapter (f) is tea processing. >Chapter (g) relates to nutrition, which is focused on the natural >history of disease in China due to nutritional deficiency. Chapter >(h) ends the volume with a series of reflections on how nature, >technology, and human intervention have induced the discovery >and innovation of processed foods in traditional China. > >The most characteristic feature in the fermentation technology in >East Asia is the outstanding role of molded grain mass of >Aspergillus, Rhizopus, and/or Mucor, known as chhu or koji. >This unique ingredient, mold ferment, was developed originally >for making alcoholic drinks from grains in ancient China, but >there was no parallel invention in the early civilization in the West. >The author has ascribed this difference to the nature (cultivated >grains and environment) and technology (prior art of fabricating >a pottery steamer) through the speculation from ancient classical >literature. In China, the grains, which are millet and rice, contain >soft kernels that can be directly boiled or steamed. The climate >in China is hot and humid in summer. Plant residues of both grains >are favorable to fungal growth. As a result, the air over the >Neolithic communities in China might have been loaded with >spores of these fungi. The conditions thus promoted must have >been a
Re: delaying budbreak with FB
Dear Ron, Maybe. I haven't given it a good college try yet, whereas I have had salutary effects on seedling in cold frames with this kind of spray program. One of the problems with using a field broadcaster for something like this is it gets your whole entire property and does it all day, when maybe you want to hold back just one thing. Maybe if you added a high C potency along with just that portion of your property that you want treated banded to it, then stuck it in the well for a couple hours each evening and the other remedy with its map in the other well for a couple hours the next morning. Then back and forth each evening and morning. It sure is worth a try and should be easier than spraying. I just never thought of it that way and haven't tried it. Worth a try. Best, Hugh >Hugh, >Can these kinds of treatments such as described below, be made through more >active use of the Field Broadcaster? Maybe by altering the potency of the BD >prep reagents, putting in and taking out reagents, adding homeopathic >dilution's of various elements, etc..? >Ron >-----Original Message- >From: Hugh Lovel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Date: Thursday, March 13, 2003 8:35 AM >Subject: Re: delaying budbreak with FB > > >>Dear Laura, >> >>There is a lot of potential for fine tuning by using tandem sprays of the >>BD preps. It's another job to do, but with a radionic instrument you might >>just fill up the sprayer with water and give it a homeopathic radionic >>treatment of a BD potency and then spray. >> >>What I would try for holding back the sap is an evening spray of the oak >>bark (505) spray followed in tandem with a morning spray of horsetail >>(508). This holds back watery growth, so it also is a good combination for >>preventing fungus and blights. >> >>Best, >>Hugh Lovel >> >> >> >> >>>- Original Message - >>>From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>Subject: delaying budbreak with FB >>> >>>Hi Laura >>> Did you have any success with your broadcaster - slowing the vines down? >>> >>>> Hugh and all other FB users >>>> this is my first season with my FB from Hugh. We had an unusually warm >>>> winter and still warmer spring (30 C yesterday) with lots of rain fall. >>>The >>>> result is that my grapevines are hurdling towards budbreak much faster >>>than >>>> I can prune. >>>> I am looking for advise on how to slow them down, hold the sap back ... >? >>> >>>I had a look at your website recently and recommend it to all (especially >>>newcomers to BD) - I have read and heard a lot about the plant >>>'gestures' associated with BD - in Alex Podolinskys books,-also Allan >>>Balliet said about his own home garden plants 'standing to attention' for >>>weeks after spraying preps, Hugh Lovel and others have said similar >things, >>>all over my head until I SAW IT in your pictures of the vines - >particularly >>>the picture of the red variety in the 'a little about Biodynamics', this >is >>>a classic case of 'a picture worth a thousand words'. We have a lot of >wine >>>grapes near us so I am used to the look of commercial chemical nutrition >>>vines - yours sure are different - I also observed this growth pattern at >>>the Castagna vineyard at Beechworth in NE Victoria (they farm >Biodynamic) - >>>then went on to an organic vineyard where I am helping install a >broadcaster >>>pipe and it was totally absent - these people have been doing some BD but >>>are in the process of falling off the (Podolinsky regulated) cart, and >have >>>slipped back to organic management, their vines have a similar growth >habit >>>as chemical farmed ones do. >>>Anyway thanks for putting the link to your site on BDnow for us to see. >>>Cheers >>>Lloyd Charles >> >>Visit our website at: www.unionag.org >> Visit our website at: www.unionag.org
Re: Vitality and fertility ofsoils
>In a message dated 3/13/03 7:56:16 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > ><< My question is what is vitality and what enlivens it in the soil. > >> James when we get that figured out we will be able to retire on the > >> proceeds. >> > >Are you'all kiddin'??? Put away the radionics instruments, pick up your >buckets and stirring sticks insert 500, bc, and equisetum; stir and apply. >This will break the needle off of your vitality meter. When you are ready I >have several stirring machines available. This has been my hesitation with >radionics, field broadcasters, saw-tees, etc. as oposed to "conventional" bd >stirring and spraying and praying. My soils and my clients have an >unmistakable "vitality" that whispers in your ear from across the street, >beckoning the observer to come and see, one application does the trick, >subsequent apps serve to increase not to break your chops.sstorch Dear Steve, Sorry but I left stirring machines out in discussing manual and radionic methods and the enthusiasm of practitioners. Hugh Visit our website at: www.unionag.org
Re: Chromas and humus Was Electronic homeopathy for plants.
James Hedley writes: >Dear Glen, >What was the qualitative difference between the radionically potentised >preparations and the hand succussing? It would be hard to put it up as a >valid test if both doses were not derived from the same substance. >One batch of preps could vary very markedly from those prepared at a >different time. >Were the symptom pictures the same at both times? >You may be right that your manually potentised preps are better than >radionically prepared preps, but somehow it is important to compare apples >with apples and that it is the same parameters that are being tested. >An agronomist friend of mine claims that before you can visually see a >difference in a pasture there would have to be at least 25% difference to be >able to see it.. . . . >Kind regards >James Dear Glen, James, et. al., I think it was generous of James to say that Glen may be right that his manually potentized preps are better then radionically prepared preps. Which is not to suggest that James's radionically potentized preps are better either. But I might remind both that in Steiner's agriculture course he remarks how the enthusiasm of the practitioner for his method enters into his remedies, and it counts for a lot. So it seems to me that both Glen and James might make remedies with great enthusiasm. A couple years ago James' story about the Portugese milipedes in Gulgong and how he got rid of them with his radionic instrument and spraying was a great example of enthusiasm and its effectiveness. Personally I once shared Glen's view that manually potentized preps simply had to be better. But I found myself having to be very fussy about measurments and once in a while I caught myself making mistakes in one fashion or another. My enthusiasm suffered, and I tried a few radionic potentizations of water. My results were good, so my enthusiasm for making radionic potencies grew a bit. Harvey Lisle criticized and could generally tell by dowsing which were radionic and which were manually diluted and succussed. After all, that information is there in the ethers. But instead of considering the results he simply dismissed the radionic potencies as "dead." This was an opinion he and I had shared to a few years earlier at a radionic conference when we had first seen radionic BD preps made with a hieronymus instrument and a double dial "rate" setting. I felt the enthusiasm that went into my radionic preps (which were prepared by Lorraine Cahill with her Malcolm Rae instrument) was definitely not dead and that he was mixing dowsing with prejudice--always a bad combination. I must admit to a contrary streak and this had the effect of hardening my resolve to investigate radionic potencies, and I'm not at all sorry I have. In the process I've found that radionics is quick, clean, precise and sure. All of these add fire to my enthusiasm for radionics. I don't think radionics is any end all or be all. I think we each potentially have the power to make potencies without any equipment--just our own bodies and spirits, our minds, hearts and wills. I think that way will grow in peoples' enthusiasms and will become the method of preference for the folks of tomorrow, as it was for that guy back a couple thousand years ago in Palestine. Right now people are crawling, or they are walking on crutches. That's okay. It just isn't the wave of the future is all. Best, Hugh Lovel Visit our website at: www.unionag.org
Re: UPDATE ON HUGH IN OZ?
Dear Dwayne, >From this and your other post it looks like I'd be interested in your cloudbuster's design. Reich's original cloudbuster was intended specifically to suck up DOR and channel it into running water, as were Reich's medical DORbusters, which were smaller versions of the same sort. Though I am not currently working with cloudbusters I've spent roughly 18 years investigating the subject via such folks as James De Meo, Joel Carlinsky, and a fellow from out in Ojai, California whose name escapes me at the moment, all of whom attest to the kind of care that should go into operating such equipment. Not Trevor Constable, though I've encountered a good bit of material about him, as well as another Californian by the name of Bob Nelson and an Idahoan by the name of Jerome Eden. I've also seen several designs, some much more effective, and thus potentially more dangerous, than others. It's quite possible yours is a relatively safe design. Many years back a fellow Georgian, Galen Hieronymus built and sold some "cloudbusters" that were virtually harmless, and I've built a couple pretty harmless ones myself back when I didn't understand their design potentials nearly as well as I do today. So it might be interesting to see what your design is like and discuss what might be done to more closely approach Reich's design which he wrote about using in his last book CONTACT WITH SPACE, a bootleg copy of which I once read courtesy of someone who knew the fellow who stole a copy from the Reich archives at Organon in Maine (administered by Mary Higgins who never permitted anyone any access to Reich's papers, including Christopher Bird, a friend, author and researcher who otherwise did extensive research towards writing a book about Reich's orgone research. Well, enough said. I'd love to know what you are working with. Best, Hugh Lovel Hugh, I have not heard of anyone being injured with a cloudbuster, maybe you are confusing them with Reich's orgone accumulator which were dangerous. The worst I have heard of in relation to cloudbusters is a possible headache if touched, and even that we do not experience with the two I have built. Cloudbusters are orgone generators, keeps the energy flowing. They do open holes in the chemtrails when spewing is going on, they do attract moisture when in the area, they can divert and temper the wind, I have yet to experience anything negative with their use. Two years ago our total rainfall amounted to 3 1/2" in an area that only has 9 1/2" average anyway. Last year we had here at our place 10" measured and this year around 3" to date. I see only positive results with their use. Dwayne Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online Visit our website at: www.unionag.org
Re: delaying budbreak with FB
Dear Laura, There is a lot of potential for fine tuning by using tandem sprays of the BD preps. It's another job to do, but with a radionic instrument you might just fill up the sprayer with water and give it a homeopathic radionic treatment of a BD potency and then spray. What I would try for holding back the sap is an evening spray of the oak bark (505) spray followed in tandem with a morning spray of horsetail (508). This holds back watery growth, so it also is a good combination for preventing fungus and blights. Best, Hugh Lovel >- Original Message - >From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: delaying budbreak with FB > >Hi Laura > Did you have any success with your broadcaster - slowing the vines down? > >> Hugh and all other FB users >> this is my first season with my FB from Hugh. We had an unusually warm >> winter and still warmer spring (30 C yesterday) with lots of rain fall. >The >> result is that my grapevines are hurdling towards budbreak much faster >than >> I can prune. >> I am looking for advise on how to slow them down, hold the sap back ... ? > >I had a look at your website recently and recommend it to all (especially >newcomers to BD) - I have read and heard a lot about the plant >'gestures' associated with BD - in Alex Podolinskys books,-also Allan >Balliet said about his own home garden plants 'standing to attention' for >weeks after spraying preps, Hugh Lovel and others have said similar things, >all over my head until I SAW IT in your pictures of the vines - particularly >the picture of the red variety in the 'a little about Biodynamics', this is >a classic case of 'a picture worth a thousand words'. We have a lot of wine >grapes near us so I am used to the look of commercial chemical nutrition >vines - yours sure are different - I also observed this growth pattern at >the Castagna vineyard at Beechworth in NE Victoria (they farm Biodynamic) - >then went on to an organic vineyard where I am helping install a broadcaster >pipe and it was totally absent - these people have been doing some BD but >are in the process of falling off the (Podolinsky regulated) cart, and have >slipped back to organic management, their vines have a similar growth habit >as chemical farmed ones do. >Anyway thanks for putting the link to your site on BDnow for us to see. >Cheers >Lloyd Charles Visit our website at: www.unionag.org
Re: On topic: physical and etheric bodies of plants15
At 12:00 PM 3/9/2003 -0500, Christy wrote: So a really basic question (s) - The etheric body of a plant is its own, along with the physical body, but it has no astral body (otherwise it would have mobility and what else? Organs. Little bits of the outside captured inside the physical body. Like when the developing embryo forms an invagitation, then rolls in a bit of the outside skin. That first capture becomes the neural tube, the beginnings of the nervous system. From that grows all the sensory organs and brain -- that which has the ability to reflect the outer world because it starts by capturing a bit of it. The organs develop as astral centers, internalizing some of the outside -- while for plants, all that astral stuff stays outside. Then because the animal has it's own astral centers, it can be mobile. So, the astral body that hovers around it does that belong to the plant? Yes, tho I think it is more of a group astral. It reaches into the plant for flowering/ fruiting processes but the plant is always reaching for it. Think of those hollow center diagrams where the plants reaches toward the focal point but never gets there. David Robison Stellar Processes 1033 SW Yamhill Suite 405 Portland, OR 97205 (503) 827-8336 www.ezsim.com Dears, Right. I wouldn't say "the astral body that hovers around the plant belongs to the plant." First of all the astrality that hovers around the plant--the flies, crickets, ants, bees and larger animals are a pretty diverse group. The bee that visits blossoms doesn't exactly belong to the plant, but rather it gives some time and attention to the plant. The elemental that lives in a rock or spring or tree maybe belongs to the plant, and each species of plant has its deva or guiding spirit. Maybe to that extent there is a certain astrality that belong to the plant. But these things don't quite have physical bodies like the plant does and they depend on the plant to fulfill that function. Seems to me, Hugh Visit our website at: www.unionag.org
Fwd: biodynamic
Reply-To: "William Ammons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> From: "William Ammons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: biodynamic Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 22:03:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Hi...My name is Will Ammons and I have the intention to create a therapeutic, educational farm in North Carolina and would love to learn more about biodynamics. Are there any biodynamic farmers in central nc? Is there a group that meets in the area? Thanks... Will Ammons [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit our website at: www.unionag.org
Re: UPDATE ON HUGH IN OZ?
Dear Lloyd, People will get into these things, and the more dangerous the more appeal they seem to have. People have been seriously injured with (functional) cloudbusters. What they need to do is study up on ether first so they know something of their peril, understand how the cloudbuster works and can do good with it instead of harm. This isn't standard physics yet, so I'm not sure where they might go to get educated outside of folks like yourself or myself. Best wishes, Hugh >- Original Message - >From: Hugh Lovel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 11:19 AM >Subject: Re: UPDATE ON HUGH IN OZ? > > >> Dear Lloyd, et. al., >> >> Just a word as I try going through my e-mail now that I'm back home. >> >> Cloudbusters? I drew this all out at Albury. These are extremely >> powerful--and dangerous--orgone devices. >Dear Hugh > Thanks for the thoughts but I think you misread my post >(understandable, I can imagine the amount of mail you faced when you got >back) >Just so you dont think I have gone off the rails here is what I wrote about >the cloudbuster guys >"On a different tack I was contacted by a fellow yesterday who is in a group >building a cloudbuster - west of me - I had not thought about this much but >if there is one in that town then based on population there would be five of >them around Albury - SCARY HEY! I AM AIMING TO MEET THESE GUYS (thats the >group that rang me) AND ATTEMPT TO DISSUADE THEM FROM USING THE THING. " > >> Maybe if one knew what one was doing. >I'm quite sure these fellows dont know what they are doing and they are west >of me so are messing around with the weather that directly affects us. > Cheers >Lloyd Charles Visit our website at: www.unionag.org
Fwd: Georgia: SAVE THE RULE - KEEP ORGANIC ORGANIC
>Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 03:13:15 -0600 >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Georgia: SAVE THE RULE - KEEP ORGANIC ORGANIC >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Feb 2003 09:19:00.0968 (UTC) >FILETIME=[43B08E80:01C2DE41] > > > >Hello High, > >Last week Congress passed an appropriations bill which overturns USDA >regulations requiring all organic livestock to be fed 100% organic feed. > >*Take Action - to Protect The integrity of Organic Standards* > >Senator Leahy (D-VT) is introducing the Organic Restoration Act to >repeal this rider along with Representative Sam Farr (D-CA) in the >House. Both of these bills were introduced on February 26, 2003. > >Co-sponsors are needed ASAP in the House AND Senate - both Republicans >and Democrats. > >For the repeal bill to be successful, we must generate a lot of interest >and public comment on the Organic Restoration Act all across the nation. >It is important that everyone - farmers, consumers, environmentalists, >and the entire organic industry - talk to their members of Congress and >get them on board in supporting the Organic Restoration Act. We must >stand up to this blatant attempt by agribusiness to have their way with >the organic standards. > >What You Can Do - Take Action!** > >Contact your representatives in Washington and demand that support the >Organic Restoration Act to repeal the language inserted into Section 771 >of the Omnibus Appropriations Bill undermining the integrity of the >organic label for meat, poultry, eggs and dairy. > >The message is simple: Urge your Senators and Representatives to support >the Organic Restoration Act that was introduced by Senator Patrick Leahy >and Representative Sam Farr to repeal Section 771 of the Omnibus >Appropriations Bill. Repealing this section is in the interest of >consumers, organic farmers and the environment. Repealing this section >will encourage continued growth of organic agricultural production in >the United States, one of the bright prospects for U.S. agriculture >overall. > >You can find your Senator here - >http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm > >You can find your Representative here - >http://www.house.gov/house/MemberWWW_by_State.html > >Representative Farr's office has asked that we target the following >Representatives, if you know of folks that live in their states please >forward on this email to them. >Allen Boyd, Jr. (D-FL/2) 202-225-5235 Agriculture Aide:Charla Penn >Jerold Nadler (D-NY/8) 202-225-5635 Agriculture Aide: Kisette Morton >Dennis Rehberg (R-MT) 202-225-3211 Chief of Staff: Erik Iverson >Jim McDermott (D-WA/7) 202-225-3106 Agriculture Aide: Sean Hughes >Wayne Gilchrest (R-MD/1) 202-225-5311 Agriculture Aide: Jeri Finke > >Please also let your local health food store know what you are doing. >Tell them to carry NO products by Fieldale Farms, the company in GA that >instigated this movement to gut the organic livestock feed standards. >They also produce poultry under the Springer Mountain Farms and Redding >labels. > >STAY TUNED TO OUR WEBSITE IN THE COMING DAYS FOR MORE INFORMATION AND >SPREAD THE WORD FAR AND WIDE!!! > >Tom Taylor >Field Organizer >Organic Consumers Association >Tel: 612-331-7309 >Fax: 612-331-7483 >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >PLEASE FORWARD THIS EMAIL TO YOUR FRIENDS WHO WOULD BE INTERESTED. >== > >You may review your subscription information with the OCA >http://www.organicconsumers.org/update.htm >You are subscribed as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >(if you forgot your password, there is a link to retrieve it). >You can then update your listing and >select the type(s) of OCA activities that interest you (or unsubscribe). > Visit our website at: www.unionag.org
Re: UPDATE ON HUGH IN OZ?
Dear Lloyd, et. al., Just a word as I try going through my e-mail now that I'm back home. Cloudbusters? I drew this all out at Albury. These are extremely powerful--and dangerous--orgone devices. Maybe if one knew what one was doing it would be a powerful way to correct for the industrial, nuclear, electric-power-grid damage being done to the planet. How powerful a way do we need? Keep in mind the principle that "a microscopic change at a point can effect large scale changes in the medium." We can effect change for the better with the most miniscule things--as for example our rain treatments at Albury. Do we need loose cannons on deck such as cloudbusters? Let me remind you that in the days of sailing shipa and cannons, cannons were chocked and blocked to fire out the ports. But to load them they had to be sheeled away from the port and swabbed down, loaded and set to fire. If a cannon slipped its chocks after the fuse was lit it would roll across the deck according to the wave motion, whatever it might be. And with a loose cannon the tendency was for the barrel to droop towards the deck where one might blast a hole down through one's own ship. That's to give you some idea of what I mean by cloudbusters being "loose cannons." Have a care and learn to work with what is relatively safe. Gain some sill b eforfe leaping off into cloudbusting. It is really potent stuff. Best, Hugh >> As to the cloud buster it seems funny that it would have to built by a >> group. >No - one of a group - there are about ten of these guys into all sorts of >stuff - cars that run on water, free energy etc. Part of a larger >organisation with a web site 'austral group.net >> I don't know why but my reaction to the cloud >> buster is to stay right away from them. >Mine too. I have the plans for the croft version and looked long and hard at >it last year, there may be a place for these devices but it is surely not in >the hands of novices, nor the hands of anyone that does not make a living >from agriculture, a town guy does not have enough to loose if he does damage >with one of these! >it might be alright in America where >. >> I spend a lot of time studying the sky, and like you have never seen any >> signs of chemtrails over our area, only high flying jets. >>. mine is about >> riding a beautiful Arab mare which we broke in about 5 years ago, worked >for >> a few weeks and then turned her out. My fear is what is she going to do. >What did she do last time? If she never bucked under saddle then she'll be >ok, if you take it easy with her. If she has ever unloaded anybody you have >a problem. >Trouble is she will know before you put a hand on her how you feel about the >deal. >Take care >Lloyd Charles Visit our website at: www.unionag.org
Re: Radionics and scientists
Dear Lloyd, Since brix is a measure of dissolved solids in the plant juice, higher brix DOES correlate to lower freezing points. The freezing point of water drops a degree or so for every mole of dissolved solids--I forget the precise figure. Surely Elaine knows this if she reflects on her basic knowledge of chemistry. Best, Hugh Lovel >Allan wrote> >> I noticed over and over again that as I asked Mr. York or >> Mr. Brinton about the effectiveness of one dynamic approach to >> another - - from Heinz Groetzke's 100% chicken manure tea to radionic >> application, each of them in their own way and own words asked 'Why >> would a person need that? There must be something fairly basic that >> is not right or you wouldn't be looking for something so extreme.' >I agree wholeheartedly with getting the basics right first - but cant agree >that radionics (or homeopathic use of BDpreps ) is extreme - opposite I >would have thought - very subtle ! . I reckon using big licks of compost is >extreme, accepting as normal, a quarter or less of commercial yields is >extreme, growing plants under more or less continuous moisture stress to >induce mineralised fruit is extreme, bombing a vineyard on a regular basis >with elemental sulphur seems extreme, using radionics to remove the need for >some of these tactics would seem to be pretty worthwhile to me. >While I dont agree with the use of radionics to flog a particular brand of >product I do agree with Gil that we should take notice of the results gained >by professional practicioners after all does Alan York consult for free? >Does Brinton do lab testing for free so as to remain unbiased ? I still >think too that once someone (anyone) decides that radionics (or anything >else) has no place in the system they become quite blind to anything but the >most blatantly obvious result. When I posted on brix and frost a few weeks >back Elaine Ingham just could not accept the possibility that I may have >been right in saying that high brix in the crop sap rendered that crop less >prone to frosting - no it was the microbes pure and simple, the critters did >it by generating warmth!!, OK I maybe do have the microbes going better than >the guy down the road, but I sure as hell know I had brix going way way >better, It wouldnt have cost much to consider the possibility. I think these >two guys above are a tad biased in their outlook and approach to radionics >and (probably) homeopathic preps. These days when I hear "prove it" . I just >say "nah! you go look for your self". If the person has an open mind and >there's something there they'll see it - if they're open to the possibility >and cant see they'll ask to be shown, if they're not open no amount of >'proving' will make the difference!! >Cheers all >Lloyd Charles Visit our website at: www.unionag.org
Re: Certification Story
Dear Barbara and Woody, et. al., Your certification story is poignant and well-told. It's a HUGE slap in the face to have to pay big bucks and jump through a lot of hoops to prove you are growing food the way it ought to be grown when those who contaminate and denature the food they grow are allowed carte blanche to poison and water down what people must have for their survival. USA Today had it on their front page today (referring to an article in an inner section) how the balance has shifted to the point that many married couples are not only not having sex, but that in the majority of these cases it is the man who doesn't want it, not the woman who has headaches and plays a pussy hostage game of "maybe if you do this, this, this, and this we'll have sex." DDT and many other pesticide, herbicide chemicals have proven to be estrogen mimetic (they mimic) chemicals. With the estrogen mimetic hormones in beef and chicken and so forth, is it any wonder many men are not masculine any more? The problem is so profound that it has affected the sex of fish in Florida lakes, to say nothing of amphibian reproduction in the US Southeast which has declined by roughly 80%. I know many guys my age who are telling me they don't have any interest in sex any more. All these I know are eating commercial foods. Myself, I realized in my 20s that 10 times a day was my limit, but here I am at 55 and I still think in those terms. I don't think I could get it up for more than 10 times in a day, and don't think I'd often be motivated for more than 3 or 4, really. Mid-life crisis? Well, I'm single and have dropped several women who tried the "if you did this, this, and this then maybe" routine because I do sex out of spontaneous enthusiasm and not out of some quid pro quo system. But I've heard women talk about their husbands and I do know it is rare that the women in the suburbs eating conventional food are sexually satisfied by their husbands. (No wonder the divorce rate.) But most haven't any clue what to do about it outside of finding a young stud to fill the bill. Damn, women, feed your men clean, vital food! When I market vegetables I run into it all the time that happy housewives will pay what I ask without question because they know it works at their table and in their bedroom. I know this is frank talk for this list, but let's get real. What we are growing with our biodynamic methods is the very best in food. People who eat it regularly have a different experience with life than those who eat that other junk. It's time the story was told. And it's time the public got a little more of an earful about what eating local, in-season and biodynamic can do to raise things several leagues higher than the government certified organic (which is deplorable). With the government getting into the game and lowering instead of raising standards, certification just took a dive that I cannot support. I don't have to say to hell with certification, it is well on the road there anyway. Seems to me we have to keep educating our public just as before and go on. If we shouldered this task before, well, we are used to it. Let's go. Best, Hugh Lovel >Dear List >Hearing some of the Truth recently on this list with Greg's postings gives >me great hope that Steiner's teachings will not be lost in these >changing times, nor will they be used to fill the pocket >books of some to the exclusion of others. Since l989 Steiner's agricultural >methods have been utilized here at Aurora. Back then >we were doubly certified--with the local organic association and with the BD >Society of B.C. There was a 'bio-dynamic' certification at the time and my >mentor and teacher Otto Rothe came to the land, saw what we were doing and >certified us. Shortly after this the BD society hooked up internationally >and we automatically received Demeter status. Suddenly there was money >to be paid to the Society, not just for the travel expense of the farm >inspector. All BD farms were required to pay a percentage of their GROSS >earnings to the Society. Nevermind if there had been a net profit for the >farm, or a living wage for the family farmer. >Christoph Altemeuller was top dog with that provincial BD society. Now he is >president of the board of the Biodynamic Association. I have thanked him in >ceremony for making so clear to me the arrogance and greed in organizations >with pious mission statements about promoting biodynamics and supporting >farmers. > >I dumped >certification, realizing that I no longer needed to be snowed by authority. >I certified Aurora on my own terms and took her out into the marketplace. >Products grown utilizing Steiner's methods of Agriculture. The term >Biodynamics is mainly lost on storkeepers and customers anyway, and the
Re: Swallowing a cat if you have a mouse inside
>DE is one of those things that are often recommended, but seldom >endorsed through experience. > >I've dusted a lot of crops with DE back in the early days, mostly for >slugs. I don't think I EVER felt that it actually worked, if dusted, >or even if put into (very expensive!) dykes around at-risk vegetables. > >I've heard realiable sources say that a few pounds of DE in a >grainery will cure a meal worm problem. But reliable sources still >recommend it for slugs, also. > >I've never felt comfortable feeding it to livestock for exactly the >reasons that it is supposed to work. Gosh, what are the upper and >lower portions of the digestive system than enlargement of the basic >worm? > >Thanks, Will > >-Allan Dear Allan, For reasons explained by Will Winter, don't give DE to your animals dry. Always feed it to them as a wet feed so they don't inhale it. I give it to my dogs and cats with some yogurt, or whatever. Best, Hugh Visit our website at: www.unionag.org
Re: BD Now! Audio Files
>>Allan, >>Hugh Lovel's excellent 3-hr. presentation at the Guelph Organic conference a >>couple years ago was professionally recorded and sold at the conference. I >>believe he retained a copy. Of course it's up to him whether he feels it >>appropriate to fwd to you.(or to copy). >>It was interspersed during one session with some references to his >>concurrent slideshow, but the wealth of his accessible verbal info would >>outweigh those non-visual factors. >>.manfred > >That sounds GREAT, manfred! -Allan Dear List, I do not have a copy. However, I have no objections to anyone with a copy sharing it. Best, Hugh Visit our website at: www.unionag.org
Re: Where is Hugh Lovel ?
Does anyone know where Hugh Lovel is at present - I need to make some arrangements with him re interviews etc in preparation for his trip to Australia. If he is at a Conference or something - if I could have a phone number where to connect with him please, MAny thanks Cheryl, Cheryl Kemp Education and Workshop Coordinator Biodynamic AgriCulture Australia Phone /Fax : 02 6657 5322 Home: 02 6657 5306 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.biodynamics.net.au Dear Cheryl, I'm just back home again from Hawaii. I am skimming e-mails and not answering many since I need to go to bed. I am home now for about a week, though. Best, Hugh Visit our website at: www.unionag.org
Re: Personal Security vs National Security
>Given that domestic espionage is in the vogue, > >Given that everywhere I go I run into avid readers of BD Now! who >never post to BD Now! because they do not want a permanent GOOGLE >searchable record of their spiritual and agricultural insights > >Given that yours truly was recently refused entrance into a public >building because a web search revealed that my 'world view does not >coincide with ours.' > >And given that so very many people read the archives but never >contribute to the list. (Last time I logged it, the colo archive was >getting 2000+ hits per week) > >It seems to me that it would be best to move into a more 'member >oriented' archive instead of a public archive. > >The major purpose of this list is to speak openly and to share our >experiences in some fairly unusual realms. > >I think everyone is feeling this shyness. I think this holding back >is hurting the list. > >What say, folks? > >-Allan Balliett >moderator, BD Now! Suits me, Allan. Hugh Visit our website at: www.unionag.org
Re: where in Texas?
Dear Martha, It's a big state. I must have a dozen field broadcaster users in Texas--at least. It's big with grassmen and longhorn raisers. You probably don't run across these folks. I'm going to have to put up a field broadcaster's list I guess. Hugh >Hugh writes: < >I think what you, Jeff, Allan and others, particularly in >Hawaii, Texas, >the midwest and out on the west coast, have done as >regards making BD >info >available to the public > > >Are there demo farms in Texas? I know of one or two >practitioners, but I was unaware of any teaching >facilities. When Peaceable Kingdom was going strong >in Brenham, it's (then) director used biodynamic >methods to some extent. He has since moved to >Dripping Springs may be involved in a similar enterprise >there as well? >Interesting note, when I went to Fredricksburg (alt energy >convention), they had a short seminar on an intro to >biodynamics. Two guys had purchased land that once >was a military base (cement, hard packed dirt, barren, >inhospitable.) In 2 - 3 years, they had turned it around to >become one of the more productive farmsteads in the >area. They were at the seminar, explaining their >techniques. I don't think I ever converted my notes to the >computer, but I probably have them around in one of my >bookshelves. (must go dig now!) Visit our website at: www.unionag.org
Re: Monsanto submitted its petition for comm. of GE Wheat
>Hugh, what do you think about beginning some trials with eradicain these >super weeds with peppers??? sstorch Dear Steve, We've tried peppers and they didn't work as well as we expected. So we need to try some more things, such as running some of the weed through the blender and using that. What we want, of course, is something that works like a charm the first year, not by the fourth year. Best, Hugh Visit our website at: www.unionag.org
Re: Monsanto submitted its petition for comm. of GE Wheat
>>I don't mean to discourage anyone. Let's keep building awareness, and >>rejection of the vogue agendas such as Monsanto's. But quite frankly I see >>little salvation in this alone. What will help us most is if things get a >>LOT worse. SNIP Like I said, things may have to get a LOT worse >>before they will get significantly better. > >I totally agree with you, Hugh, with the exception that in this >particular case they are playing with the very basis of our >civalization: our basic cultivars and in such a way that there may be >no returning to the plants we have now. Seeing the SUPER WEED Canola >in Schmeiser's slides makes it pretty clear to me that even if things >get bad enough to stop Monsanto, there may never be an opportunity to >grow food plants en masse that contain the same DNA that our >ancestors co-evolved with. Sally Fallon has commented extensively on >how difficult it is for our bodies to actually thrive when estranged >from our traditional food. > >I realize how futile the effort is at this point, Hugh. > >Thank for your good post. -Allan Allan, I know. So it goes. A similar thing happened in Atlantis. I suppose we will have to become more adaptable. Hugh Visit our website at: www.unionag.org
Re: BD Farming in America
Dear Kristy, et. al., I think what you, Jeff, Allan and others, particularly in Hawaii, Texas, the midwest and out on the west coast, have done as regards making BD info available to the public is quite commendable. Also let us not forget the salubrious efforts of Hugh Courtney, without whom we would have little in terms of availability of the Steiner remedies, to say nothing of availability of literature and presence at conferences auch as ACRES. I do not agree that what Alex Podolinsky has done in Australia is any model to copy, as he has run a rigid and even hidebound program where those who venture outside of his box can be excommunicated. But at least he has created a support system for farmers who want to put BD into practice. The BDGFAA (Biodynamic Farming and Gardening Association of Australia) arose in response to the need for more openness than Podolinsky allowed, and it wouldn't do to give Podolinsky full credit for their efforts. They have really done a lot--perhaps more than Alex--to spread BD in Australia. Here in the US it has always been my impression--though for a brief period we did have a national extension agent--that there was no real support for farmers from the central organization. If anything there was a cult atmosphere coming from the central offices and I think it discouraged and turned off people right and left. In my own case I have let my membership in the BD Association lapse after 25 years of trying to pull biodynamics forward against the inertia, resistance and cult atmosphere of the central offices. Maybe Greg is being extreme in his criticism, but when Demeter excommunicated him and prohibited Victor Landa from using the term "biodynamic" on any products not certified by Demeter I had my fill of wrongheadedness. I'm calling what I do Quantum Agriculture and I only use the term biodynamic in a transitional way. I don't support the BDA or Demeter in any way at this point. Probably I'm one of those Greg refered to who dropped out because they cannot stomach the dogmatism, obstructionism and cultishness any further. I believe I'm pretty thick skinned or I couldn't have taken it as long as I did. The whole fumble of claiming to be the focus of the CSA movement and then doing nothing--even terminating the CSA conferences--was vexation enough and I should have left then. But there have been enough other blunders, including terminating the national extension program, that I should have identified the BDA as non-viable long ago. As far as I'm concerned they are baggage--excess baggage in my case. I can't see any reason for name calling or getting upset or any of that jazz. I have noticed that I'm reaching a wider audience with field broadcasters by calling my work quantum agriculture instead of BD. I suspect BD has a notorious reputation as being inscrutable, cultish and a big turn-off to many farmers. Really most farmers don't understand quantum mechanics either, but I don't seem to face anything like the rejection of my message by couching it in those terms. My lecture room at ACRES was full this time. I seem to be getting further by leaving BD behind. Does that tell you anything? It's still the same remedies, still the same insights into how nature works, I still talk about Rudolf Steiner and the whole nine yards. I just leave the terminology of biodynamic behind. Quite frankly I think it is just fine that Demeter owns the term. Let them have it. As far as I'm concerned it was a big lead anchor around my waist. Best, Hugh Lovel > >Dear Allan, >We have certainly made ourselves available regionally, and offer advice and >suggestions for numerous growers each year, plus orgainzing educational >events. Jeff Poppen is always also taking in visitors, and holding >educational events, writing and doing the TV shows. Allan, you do a huge >amount of educational work yourself. JPI has its new farmer advisory >program. > >I think we are wishing for an outdated paradigm when we expect to have some >top down organizational figure heads baby us through our movement. This is >the era of the conciousness soul, the age of individuality. What ever is >lacking in the movement is no one fault but our own. Christy Visit our website at: www.unionag.org
Cannon Copier?
Dears, I lhave ended up with a remanufactured Cannon toner cartrige (Canon PC (E31/E40) which I have no matching copier. Is there anyone with a Canon copier out there that this fits? It works for the E16, E20, E31, E40, 300, 310, 320, 330, 330L, 425, 430, 530, 770, 710, 720, 730, 740, 790, 920, 950 and 980 models. It lists for around $100 and I can ship it for $50 plus shipping. I need to move it out. Best, Hugh Lovel 706 745 6056 Visit our website at: www.unionag.org
Re: Monsanto submitted its petition for comm. of GE Wheat
Dear Allan, et. al., This is a discussion I don't join too often. It should be obvious that we won't shake awake more than a slivver of our population to the demon agendas. Sure we can iterate the rule that if a thing CAN happen it WILL. And it can be that Monsanto has had a truly oppressive agenda and is maximumly exploitative. All the signs are there for this to be true, so maybe it is. Granted. But mostly people won't wake up. Not yet. Things will have to get a lot worse. It is fine to be awake and to do the right things within our lights. But we aren't a boil on the butt of the self-centered demons beseiging us. More like a pimple that may be scratched if it comes to the attention of it's host organism. I don't mean to discourage anyone. Let's keep building awareness, and rejection of the vogue agendas such as Monsanto's. But quite frankly I see little salvation in this alone. What will help us most is if things get a LOT worse. When our present president was annointed by the court of nine? On the one hand I could be disappointed that a nice guy, a little stiff and overly controlled but basically beneign, would not be at the rudder. But on the other hand, what could be better than to have a real S & M pervert ride this nation of hypnotized true believers with spurs on, forcing the pollution of coal and petroleum down everyone's nostrils and backing the GMO and irradiation denaturing of the food base? Like I said, things may have to get a LOT worse before they will get significantly better. So let us accept our lot philosophically and get set for when flag wavers and those on social insecurity realize en masse that their ikons are bankrupt, perverted, exploitative and cynically jaded. When things bottom out THEN we will need to be ready with our new and alternative teachings. Right now is growth and preparation for that. Not so? Something to think about. Best, Hugh Lovel >>"how much longer are we going to take this"thats the statement >>of the new year. >> >>Perys situation is the (but one of many) story of 2003 and how do we >>stand with him/them? > >Bob - > >I'm at a loss. The response must be both powerful and persistent. > >I really believe that if the man or woman on the street really >understood that Monsanto was methodically contaminating the food >supply with their patented genes in what, according to the Schmeiser >experience, is a calculated attempt to legally control all seed >stock, there would be a great out cry that would affect the polls and >the ballot boxes in short order. > >Of course, I also believe that if a company like Enron was shown to >be manipulating energy prices at the expense of the many, that there >will be a similar quest for justice and security, but, if such a >thing is occurring, I haven't seen any sign of it in either my >neighborhood nor my newspaper. The recent US elections prove either >that American's are not uncomfortable with corporate corruption or >that the Democratic party is completely devoid of character, backbone >and ideas - -or both - - which makes it clear that the ballot box >is probably not the route to change. > >We get a lot of equivocation in our discussions on BD Now! The >situation with Monsanto's approach to GMOs is equivalent to our land >being on fire. The losses can be horrific and they can be final. When >you'r in a position to put a fire out before it has damaged >everything, that's the action to take. Knowing where to buy >fire-proof materials etc is good to have, but it's not the response >to take when the fire is still spreading. The approach to take is to >sound the alarm in a credible fashion to attract as many hands as >possible to stop the destruction. > >The thoughts above are drawn from assumptions that Monsanto is simply >acting in a business like fashion with a simple goal of owning the >sales of seed stocks of all the major cultivars around the world. >What if their goal were actual control of the food supply and, >conceivably, nature itself? It's amazing how much immorality we can >tolerate if we believe it is simply motivated by greed. What if gene >splicers who promote contamination of traditional stocks really do >have a more nefarious goal? Visit our website at: www.unionag.org
Re: Fw: Anionic water
Dear Manfred, Not much to comment yet. I haven't tried the Prill water. I've trying this Japanese version. Sure is good water, but if you go the the Prill site some amazing and extravagant claims are made. I don't see much evidence of their validity. I'm one who tries to bend over backward to keep an open mind, even in the face of fantastic claims. But I don't see much evidence, even granting my very open mind. pH indications at the beginning rose easily. But soon the action of the beeds was very sluggish and they had to remain in the water a very long time. I think I need a better pH indicator and to conduct more rigorous experiments in this direction. I put the beads in vinegar and they boil furiously. So much so I'm afraid I'm consuming them. And the bag is reduced to a small amount of very shiny slivers of magnesium. Then back in the water they seem to puff out again and become sluggish in their action. I'm drinking this water every day and watching progress. And yes, I DO feel good drinking this water, so I guess it's worth a try. But I wouldn't suggest one expect too much. Best, Hugh >Dear Hugh L., > >I had been waiting to see if you would comment on the efficacy/validity of >the "prill-water" as in Richards message below. >Based on the Prill chemical explanation is it convincing enough to you? >Would you recommend it? Or do you now have more recent info on the Japanese >version of water purification? >Thanks,.manfred >- Original Message - >From: "Richard Kalin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2002 10:07 AM >Subject: Re: Anionic water > > >> Sounds a lot like Prill water >http://www.thewolfeclinic.com/prillbeads.html >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Hugh Lovel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2002 12:48 AM >> Subject: Anionic water >> >> >> > Now a Japanese scientist >> > by the name of Okumura has discovered a new process involving crumbs of >> > specially treated magnesium that restructure water molecules so that >> > some of the hydrogen, the most fundamental of all cations, bubbles off >> > rending the water left behind as much as a thousand times more anionic. >> > The magnesium crumbs are marketed in the form of a small, inexpensive >> > stick that can be placed in a water container and shaken so that anionic >> > water is produced. This is something I think many people will enjoy >> > trying. --HL >> > Visit our website at: www.unionag.org >> Visit our website at: www.unionag.org
Re: source of nettle seeds
>I am interested to know how well the seeded nettles grow. >a bd grower in Germany told me that he tried to grow nettles from seed for >nettle tea production and increase the a amount of nettles available for >his own use. He tried several times, but failed, while in some areas of >his property they grew very well. He said to me that he believed, nettles >grow best naturally and are very difficult to produce 'artificially'. > >Christiane Dears, Having grown nettles from seed, let me put in my bit. Growing nettles from seed is like growing potatoes from seed. I've never seen it get off to a bang of a start and produce robust plants the first year. Growing potatoes from seed I got these little miniature plants and potatoes the size of marbles. These have to be nursed up to size in further growing seasons. If you want big, robust potatoes, cut sets from big robust potatoes. Likewise with nettles. If you want robust plants, use root cuttings from same. That doesn't mean you can't grow them successfully from seeds. In fact, if you want to plant them from seed, rake off the duff from a border, shady, low lying patch where organic material tends to collect during rains and where nitrogen tends to be rather a bit richer. Rake in your nettle seed and redistribute the duff over the top. If tall growth occurs during the season, mow it off and leave the mulch. Do this as many times as necessary the first couple years. In winter scatter a little oak bark over the areas where the tiny nettle plants appear to encourage them, not to smoother. Be patient. You could get a really robust stand in 3 or 4 years. Or, you could do as I did, let the birds plant the seeds around where you stir your BD 500. I can't get rid of the damned things there now. There were just a few tiny plants there at first. It only too three years for them to catch on. The most robust nettles on my place. They sure like 500. I didn't plant them there at all, at all. Actually they are a boon there. Just good fortune. Also really robust. Best, Hugh Visit our website at: www.unionag.org
Re: NM Sustainable Ag Conference update
>Hi Hugh, >Hope you enjoy Hawaii, it's on my must visit list. I'm the gal doing >everything, so it's me that everything is sent to. Next week I was sending out >the directions to the location for the conference, but if you want them >sooner, >no problem. > You might want to get here Friday afternoon January 24th.The setup for >booths needs to be done by 7:50 am Saturday.The community center will be open >5:30 am, facilitating setup. Hot drinks and morning munchies will be available >at no cost for conference participants. The tables being used will all be >set up >Friday night, making life easier for folks with booths. I can send you a >list of >local motels or can find a friend for you to stay with. >Have an outstanding day, >Pat > I do need a short bio, will take care of everything else though. Pat, How is this? Hugh Lovel, 55, started farming organically 27 years ago. There were no organic research programs near him so he set his farm up as an experiment station. Soon he was researching biodynamic methods. With a background in physics, chemistry and microbiology, to say nothing of philosophy, religion and psychology, he has many interesting stories and insights to share, including insights concerning why droughts occur and how to remedy them. He claims not to have used his irrigation in the past 8 years, 5 or which were drought years in his area. Visit our website at: www.unionag.org
Re: NM Sustainable Ag Conference update
Dear Pat, Does the appropriate person know I hope to have a booth? And do they have my bio and a brief description of my talk(s)? I'm not clear on this. Also I will just be getting back from Hawaii and driving to Moriarty. When should I be there and how do I find the place and the right people? I might not have the luxury of linking up with you beforehand, while afterward I have a chance to visit, put up your broadcaster, etc. Best, Hugh >Hi Hugh, > Here is the latest on the conference. > >Moriarty Farmer?s Market Conference Update > >12-30-2002 >Hi to everyone presenting and/or having a booth, >Everything is moving along nicely for the conference and with little less >than a >month to go, several items need to be addressed. If you are a presenter, I >need >your bio (25 to 50 words) by January 7th as will be printing the conference >program January 10th. Also needed for the program is any advertising ad >copy for >donors/sponsors. If you are a speaker/sponsor/donator and are going to have a >booth, I need to know by the 7th so your booth is located on the program >map for >booths. This may seem like a lot to some of you, but remember it is one person >who is putting all this together and timeliness is imperative. > >Below are verified donations for the door prizes and raffle items with more >coming in: >Harris Seeds: $100 gift certificate for seed purchase >Broomes Feed: 10 lb. packets of pepper seeds >Farm to Table: 2 T-shirts >NM Farmer?s Market Association: 1 apron and 1 hat >NM Organic Commodity Commission: 2 tickets for a seminar at Glorietta >Barefoot Farmer: 1 Book ? The Barefoot Farmer? ISBN 0-9721378-0-7 >The Rodale Institute: 1 Book ? Empty Breadbasket; The Coming Challenge to >America?s Food Supply and What We Can Do About It.?, and 1 Video ? A World of >Sense; The life journey of Bob Rodale? >Indiana Berry and Plant Company: Good and generous assortment of cucurbit >seeds >Peaceful Valley: TBA >Johnny?s Seeds: TBA >Seeds of Change: TBA > >Many thanks must also be given to local sponsors Estancia Cooperative >Extension, >NM Farmer?s Market Association, Organic Commodity Commission, Edgewood >Soil and >Water Conservation District and East Torrance Soil and Water Conservation >District. We still have some tentative sponsors and those that add sponsorship >will be listed in the conference program. > >Only two changes to the conference schedule. John McMullin of Embudo >Turkey Farm >will not be presenting. He has had a once on a lifetime opportunity offered to >him visiting Antarctica and has all my blessings on going on that >adventure. He >will be speaking at one (or more) of the classes that will be held in >conjunction with the Farmer?s Market. > >Replacing him is Theresa Gonzales Connaughton, newly elected President of the >Santa Fe Farmer?s Market Institute and wife of Martin Connaughton, owner of >Wilderness Flowers. She will be taking the 8am slot in Room B with the >presentation ?The role of Santa Fe Farmers Market Institute in Sustaining NM >agriculture?. > >The 1 pm, Room B slot is being filled with longtime La Montanita produce >manger >Dan Schuster. Look for an exciting announcement from Dan in the near >future! His >presentation is ? From the Field to Your Pocket, Marketing for Profit?. > >On the Farmer?s Market side of things, I?m organizing 5 trips throughout >NM this >year. These are for the benefit of farmers participating in NM?s Farmer?s >Markets. If you have or know of a farm that would be a good location to visit, >let me know. > >That?s it for now. Look for another update next Monday, as we get closer >to this >awesome event. > >Pat Maas >Moriarty Farmer?s Market Conference >505-832-1989 Visit our website at: www.unionag.org
Re: A strange visit/trying to share
Dear Merla, One thing it seems Randy may not know is that when plants get their nitrogen as salts, their protoplasm hasn't any choice but to be salty and watery. This stretches their cell walls and leads to poor cell density and insect damage. When they get their nitrogen as amino acids they make far more long chain amino acids--which insects cannot digest--and the insects leave them alone. And their cell density is greater so they are less susceptible to diseases. The question is how to get the trees to get all their nitrogen as amino acids instead of salts such as urea, nitrates, ammonia, etc.? The answer is to get mycorhyzae and azotobacters working in the soil and colonizing the trees roots from the day they are planted. A good compost tea program as well as a field broadcaster would be a good recipe. Has Randy heard about Elaine Ingham? Does he need a field broadcaster brochure? He really sounds like a good sort and maybe he is open to these things. Best, Hugh Your nemesis, Randy, seem to exemplify many good, as well as misguided, qualities. His land is in his family and farming is in his blood. He is open enough to share with you what he is doing and he really believes in it, works hard, makes it pay, pays his bills thereby, etc. He uses a spider and cover crops, for crying out loud. I was surprised at how much I liked his place, but it bothered me, I guess because it wasn't a small farm growing vegetables organically, but rather just large fields of beautiful perfect trees, exactly spaced...little monocultures of various tree species planted and harvested in different years. It might be valuable to compare an organic tree farm with Randy's farm. I got the invitation to come via the Weed Supervisor who is trying his hardest to produce harmony among the disparate elements on the Weed Committee. I jumped at the chance to contribute to that. In some way, his spread reminded me of the way you have many different crops planted in a kind of patchwork to accommodate the shape of your land. I have French intensive beds so that is quite different. There was much good in his work, and I hope this is a beginning of shared respect. My husband tells me he heard Randy bragging about how he and some other farmers sneaked onto an organic neighbor's land who wouldn't take care of his weeds and sprayed it with herbicide...I guess it's his personality, not necessarily his farm. Maybe the fact that we are taking care of weeds on our IPM road project is a start to help him to relax. I am a threat to a long-standing culture of chemicals. If I can just get all the tansy, knapweed, thistle and hawkweed off Rapid Lightning Road, maybe he will respect me. There is zero tolerance for "noxious" weeds and everything has to be oriented toward making a profit. My political values are so different. Taking a page out of our native son, Jimmy Carter's book, appreciate his good points and simply acknowledge his shortcomings. That keeps the exchange going and you can discuss little things that might lead to bigger and better things. It's a non-judgmental, step-wise approach, and admittedly it doesn't always work. But sometimes it produces astounding results. I agree. I'm going to try and I appreciate Brad, the Weed Supervisor's efforts to help find something in common between the chemical proponents and the environmentalists. I have mellowed out a lot in my approach. I'm demonstrating non-chemical methods and taking care of weeds. I'm keeping confidences when I could write letters to the editor in the local paper blasting various problems I see. Right now I'm quite troubled about the residue in the sediment of a broad spectrum herbicide, diquat dibromide, that was put in the lake for Eurasian watermilfoil. This has nothing to do with Randy. It was the Public Works Director's baby and he is extremely sensitive if I raise any questions about any problems or about the high cost of hiring out-of-state applicators and divers to protect drinking water inlets...Oh God! The bare soil really bugs you? Well around here grasses and clovers in the Christmas tree orchard is the only way it is done. This involves mowing, but still it pays back in moisture and nutrient retention, because as long as the level of biology is kept up in the soil, living organisms keep these things inside their cell walls where they are not so easily lost. Is there some reason he keeps it bare? Does he know that in other places such plantations all grow grass? Has he been observant of what happens to his soil and the living organisms that support it when it spends several years bare? He did explain why he keeps it bare. He pointed to some trees on his next door neighbor's land which hadn't been kept bare, but had had lots of tansy that Randy finally sprayed Escort for him when the trees were dormant. He commented that it had affected the growth of the bottom branches and they didn't look good. He did have hard fescue on interior roads
Re: Perfect Orchard
Dear Per, We need a discussion on this. Radionics, is not exactly the same as field broadcasting. But they are related. I'll have to get back to this. In the meanwhile, any others like to have a go at this? Hugh Visit our website at: www.unionag.org
Re: Transplanting remedies ?
Dear Per, Not quite. Like cures. And Bach Flower Remedies are sold everywhere, presumably at your city organic food place. You put a few drops of this remedy in a bucket of water and stir like a BD remedy. Use for transplants. If you want to know specifically what grasses walnut allows to grow, look under a walnut tree. It inhibits ALL others. But walnut remedy does not inhibit growth. You use walnut REMEDY to promote growth. That goes for grapes too. Precision in language has its desirable side. Best, Hugh >Hi Hugh > >Opposite cures ? > >Interesting, what dilution of remedy's are you suggesting, and can you >recommend a more economic source than the city organic food place. How do >you apply this solution ? >Rescue remedy is English do any one make it the USA ? >Bach Flower Remedy, Walnut who ?? >Is it know what grasses walnut remedy promotes ? >Do's walnut remedy inhibit growth of grapes ?? > >Why would you select a homeopathic remedy's rater than a BD prep 501/or ?? >in addition to BD prep ?? (I have not yet understood all BD preps and >function of them, I'm a slow reader) > > > >Thanks >Per Garp/NH > > > >- Original Message - >From: "Hugh Lovel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2002 02:50 PM >Subject: Re: Transplanting remedies ? > > >> >Hi All >> > >> >Can some one explain the transplanting function of this >> >"rescue remedy and the Bach Flower Remedy, Walnut" >> >I'm familiar with rescue remedy, but have no information >> >abut :Bach Flower Remedy, Walnut: >> >Normally Walnut inhibit growth of other plants ?? >> > >> >Thanks >> >Per Garp/NH >> >> >> Dear Per, >> >> You are right on the money that walnut inhibits the growth in almost >> everything except one or two grasses and black raspberries. That is >> precisely why it is used. >> >> Homeopathy is the treatment of conditions with materials--taken out to >> dilute potencies--that would otherwise cause the same condition in healthy >> organisms. Thus to treat cancer, the usual treatment is homeopathic >Iscador >> (mistletoe) which amounts to a cancerous growth when it occurs naturally >on >> oak trees. >> >> In this case to get the transplants over their shock, use rescue remedy; >to >> send them off into growth give them walnut, a Bach Flower Remedy. >> >> Best, >> Hugh Lovel >> Visit our website at: www.unionag.org >> Visit our website at: www.unionag.org
Re: FW: [globalnews] Arctic to lose all summer ice by 2100
Dear Jane, The trouble with a study like this is it fails to take into account the acceleration of change. At the present rate of acceleration the arctic could be completely unfrozen by 2020. Moreover, the ice ON Antarctica, not just the ice already in the water, could have melted in significant amounts, and who knows if that would accelerate the process even more? I wouldn't invest in sea front property if I were you. Actually I welcome the changes as it will be a massive wake-up for all to see the bankruptcy of our present economic and political order. Steve Storch seems to think that our present governments are on their way out. I say not without causing much more devastation. They simply have too much momentum to stop even though the handwriting is clearly on the wall for anyone with his eyes open. But once they shatter and deluge the world as we have know it, their time truly will have come. As far as I'm concerned the faster the better. Look at the people who support Bush and you will know why we need this to happen. They voted to get just the right medicine for our situation, and now it will come to pass. Yea, Bush! Isn't he a better friend than you realized? Best, Hugh NewScientist.com Arctic to lose all summer ice by 2100 10:02 04 December 02 NewScientist.com news service The Arctic Ocean will be completely devoid of summer ice before the 21st century has ended, a NASA study predicts. The new work shows that the permanent ice cap over the ocean - the cover that survives through the warm summer months - is disappearing far faster than previously thought. Between 1978 and 2000, 1.2 million square kilometres of apparently permanent ice melted away. That is an area five times the size of Britain and represents a loss of nine per cent per decade. "At this rate, permanent ice will have disappeared before the end of this century," says NASA ice physicist Josefino Comiso. Trebling up Past satellite studies of ice cover have looked at the average ice cover for individual months during the year. They found an average retreat of around three per cent a decade. But the minimum ice cover, which represents the ice that lasts through the summer, occurs at different times in different regions of the ocean. So to get a clearer estimate of the amount of ice that survives, Comiso reanalysed the data. He measured the minimum extent of sea ice in each region - and that revealed the much higher rate of loss. The trend is continuing. This past summer, "we had the least amount of permanent ice cover ever observed," says Comiso. "If the permanent ice cover disappears, the entire Arctic ocean climate and ecology would become very different," says Comiso, at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Maryland. It will give an extra kick to global warming and polar bears, which live by hunting on the sea ice, will have nowhere to go. Point of no return The ice loss coincides with a summer warming trend of 1.2 °C a decade in the air above the ice. The biggest disappearance of ice so far has been over the Beaufort and Chukchi Seas, north of Canada and Alaska. This is also where air temperatures have warmed most. Comiso agrees that some of the ice retreat could be due to short-term fluctuations in climate or ocean currents. But he warns that the rate at which ice disappears is likely to accelerate in future. As the ice disappears, it will speed up the warming of Arctic waters. This is because ice reflects most of the Sun's rays back into space, while the dark-blue oceans absorb much more heat. Warmer water will delay autumn freezing, leading to a thinner ice cover in the winter and spring. In turn this will make the sea ice more vulnerable to melting the next summer. This positive feedback is propelling the Arctic ice to a point of no return beyond which, says Comiso, the melting will be become "irreversible". Journal reference: Geophysical Research Letters (DOI: 10.1029/2002GL015650) Fred Pearce - An old Cherokee is teaching his grandson about life. "A fight is going on inside me," he said to the boy. "It is a terrible fight and it is between two wolves. One is evil - he is anger, envy, sorrow, regret, greed, arrogance, self-pity, guilt, resentment, inferiority, lies, false pride, superiority, and ego." He continued, "The other is good - he is joy, peace, love, hope, serenity, humility, kindness, benevolence, empathy, generosity, truth, compassion, and faith. The same fight is going on inside you - and inside every other person, too." The grandson thought about it for a minute and then asked his grandfather, "Which wolf will win?" The old Cherokee simply replies, "The one you feed." Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . -- End of Forwarded Message Visit our website at: www.unionag.org
Re: WENDELL BERRY: The Agrarian Standard + FRESH AND LOCAL
>Fresh and Local! > >Anyone have a FRESH AND LOCAL initiative in their area? (LOCAL HERO >is a similar program.) We've got an anti-development person pushing >to get grant money for a fresh and local program in this area. >Unfortunately, his plans are more for wholesale-from-the-local-farms >and retail-from-the-local-supermarket. Maybe I'm blind, but I'm very >uncomfortable with programs that do not take into account that local >farmers cannot afford to grow at prices dicated by supermarkets >UNLESS they are receiving the retail price. (i.e. we have to sell >direct) > >I'm curious to know if other programs in the country are making an >effort to actually lookout for the local grower and his fragile >economy. > >Thanks -Allan Dear Allan, This we have in Georgia. Contact Gary Brown of Georgia Grown, 770 786 1933 or cell 404 213 8470 Best, Hugh Visit our website at: www.unionag.org
Re: Transplanting remedies ?
>Hi All > >Can some one explain the transplanting function of this >"rescue remedy and the Bach Flower Remedy, Walnut" >I'm familiar with rescue remedy, but have no information >abut :Bach Flower Remedy, Walnut: >Normally Walnut inhibit growth of other plants ?? > >Thanks >Per Garp/NH Dear Per, You are right on the money that walnut inhibits the growth in almost everything except one or two grasses and black raspberries. That is precisely why it is used. Homeopathy is the treatment of conditions with materials--taken out to dilute potencies--that would otherwise cause the same condition in healthy organisms. Thus to treat cancer, the usual treatment is homeopathic Iscador (mistletoe) which amounts to a cancerous growth when it occurs naturally on oak trees. In this case to get the transplants over their shock, use rescue remedy; to send them off into growth give them walnut, a Bach Flower Remedy. Best, Hugh Lovel Visit our website at: www.unionag.org
Re: A strange visit
Dear Merla, Your nemisis, Randy, seem to exemplify many good, as well as misguided, qualities. His land is in his family and farming is in his blood. He is open enough to share with you what he is doing and he really believes in it, works hard, makes it pay, pays his bills thereby, etc. He uses a spader and cover crops, for crying out loud. Taking a page out of our native son, Jimmy Carter's book, appreciate his good points and simply acknowledge his short commings. That keeps the exchange going and you can discuss little things that might lead to bigger and better things. It's a non-judgmental, step-wise approach, and admittedly it doesn't always work. But sometimes it produces astounding results. The bare soil really bugs you? Well around here grasses and clovers in the Christmas tree orchard is the only way it is done. This involves mowing, but still it pays back in moisture and nutrient retention, because as long as the level of biology is kept up in the soil living organisms keep these things inside their cell wals where they are not so easily lost. Is there some reason he keeps it bare? Does he know that in other places such plantations all grow grass? Has he been observant of what happens to his soil and the living organisms that support it when it spends several years bare? It is always better to ask questions than to give information. This is quite interesting. Education has come to mean, particularly in our public schools, informing people. But if you look at its root, educare, this means to draw out. In older times they knew that true education was a process of drawing out of people the realizations that go beyond mere information. Best luck, Hugh > out of state somewhere. Then he starts his green manure cycle >again. > >I can't manipulate nature that much. I love our beautiful snowberries >and the crush of native grasses and wild rose bushes. I like to leave >chickweed and sorrel and plaintain in the garden. I like volunteering >borage and hollyhocks. I think it was all that bare ground that haunts >me. > >Best, > >Merla Visit our website at: www.unionag.org
Re: Getting Worried
>>Allan, >> >>I doubt seriously that plaster of paris is going to simply dissolve in >>water once it is set. >> >>Hugh > >Oh, great, another problem. > >I'm going buy how the plaster has crumbled where it has gotten wet >when I've drug my toes in the snow, and so on. > >It'll really be great if I show up at the airport with a partially >removed cast. Allan, I don't know that much about casts. Probably by soaking and manipulation you can crumble it away. I just know when my sister broke her arm, and one of my school mates broke his arm in both cases the cast was cut off. I think a doctor would have some special scissor pliers--surgical steel--for this task. Have you asked the doctor to cut off the cast and put on a lighter one? That's something commonly done. Best, Visit our website at: www.unionag.org
