RE: CSS table-type layout

2005-11-22 Thread Sandy Clark
Ray,

Do yourself a favor.  Check out sites on structural or semantic HTML.  The
idea being that HTML gives our content strucure and when you use the correct
structure for your content (ie, tables for tabular data, H1...H5 for
headings, lists for menus and other grouping of related items, fieldset and
labels for forms, that these items give your site semantic meaning as well.


Try this, get rid of your style sheets entirely for a moment and view your
site.  Ask yourself these questions? 

Can I understand the page without any external visual references?
Does the page flow well?
Can I get how items are related to each other?

The other benefit to structural HTML is that your tags are then hooks to
attach your CSS to. I have found that structural HTML makes it much easier
for me to design CSS style sheets for rather than starting visually and
making my HTML structure fit my CSS.

I still use tables for tabular data.  Heck, I even taught how to style
tables in one of my talks at CFUNITED 06.  Tables for tabular data are
perfect, just remember to use proper HTML structure in them thead for
headers
tfoot for footers
tbody for the body, colgroup and col to designate columns and their
widths, 
th scope=cols for headers to relate your headers to your columns.

Sandy Clark

4 Days Hands on CSS Class 11/29 - 12/2 Rockville, MD
Held at Teratech 
http://www.teratech.com/training/oc_classes.cfm#CS201H 

-Original Message-
From: Ray Champagne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 9:33 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CSS table-type layout

All right, if Dave says use tables, then I'm using tables.  :)

Seriously, this is the way that I was leaning, and since I've written the
email, I already have the page written in tables.  I'm so much faster at
that than css, just wanted to make sure that I was sane in my reasoning to
use tables here.  It was easy to fall back on the crutch.  :)


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RE: OT: CSS

2005-11-11 Thread Sandy Clark
Its already there Barney (cept in IE of course, unless you download Dean
Edward's IE7 fix)

Attribute selectors allow you to work with selected tags based on their
attributes

 input[type=checkbox], input[type=radio], input[type=submit].

Sandy Clark

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Rockville, MD
http://www.teratech.com/training/oc_classes.cfm#CS201H

-Original Message-
From: Barney Boisvert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 7:58 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: OT: CSS

Nope, sure isn't.  Forms and CSS don't play very well, because EVERYTHING is
an input tag.  It'd be a lot better if they had individual tags for each
element type, or at least had psuedo classes that would affect only certain
elements.  I.e. input::radio would only affect radio buttons.  I'm not
holding my breath for either one though.

cheers,
barneyb

On 11/10/05, Bobby Hartsfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hey sorry for the OT but anyone worth asking comes here :)

 Is there a way to set a style for a particular input type?

 Example: I have a global style for input,textarea,select in my .css to 
 automatically style all those elements throughout the app. That style 
 has a thin border around all the fields but I don't want the border on 
 input type=image... / fields...

 So is there a way to write a class for just input where the type = 
 image that will be picked up automatically (so I don't have to add a 
 class= to all of them)?

 Thanks for any tips!

 ..:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.
 Bobby Hartsfield
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RE: CSS

2005-11-11 Thread Sandy Clark
Attribute selectors allow you to work with selected tags based on their
attributes

 input[type=image]{border:none;}

Sandy Clark

Interested in a 4 day hands on CSS Class?  Running 11/29 - 12/2 in
Rockville, MD http://www.teratech.com/training/oc_classes.cfm#CS201H 

-Original Message-
From: Bobby Hartsfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 7:51 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: OT: CSS

Hey sorry for the OT but anyone worth asking comes here :)

Is there a way to set a style for a particular input type?

Example: I have a global style for input,textarea,select in my .css to
automatically style all those elements throughout the app. That style has a
thin border around all the fields but I don't want the border on input
type=image... / fields...

So is there a way to write a class for just input where the type = image
that will be picked up automatically (so I don't have to add a class= to
all of them)?

Thanks for any tips!
 
...:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.
Bobby Hartsfield
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RE: CSS

2005-11-11 Thread Sandy Clark
Try this, it makes IE much more compatible including support for IE5, 5.5
and 6.  (Even fixes the broken box model in IE5.x. If you use, this (pure
javascript) IE will support all selectors.

http://dean.edwards.name/IE7/intro/ 

-Original Message-
From: Sandy Clark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 8:28 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CSS

Attribute selectors allow you to work with selected tags based on their
attributes

 input[type=image]{border:none;}

Sandy Clark

Interested in a 4 day hands on CSS Class?  Running 11/29 - 12/2 in
Rockville, MD http://www.teratech.com/training/oc_classes.cfm#CS201H 

-Original Message-
From: Bobby Hartsfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 7:51 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: OT: CSS

Hey sorry for the OT but anyone worth asking comes here :)

Is there a way to set a style for a particular input type?

Example: I have a global style for input,textarea,select in my .css to
automatically style all those elements throughout the app. That style has a
thin border around all the fields but I don't want the border on input
type=image... / fields...

So is there a way to write a class for just input where the type = image
that will be picked up automatically (so I don't have to add a class= to
all of them)?

Thanks for any tips!
 
:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.
Bobby Hartsfield
http://acoderslife.com

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RE: CSS

2005-11-11 Thread Sandy Clark
Actually, since the IE7 fix file is simply a js file that you include, it is
downloaded by all clients without them having to do anything (unless they
can't or don't use javascript).

Simply put this into the top of your head before calling any other style
sheets.
!-- compliance patch for microsoft browsers --
!--[if lt IE 7]
script src=ie7/ie7-standard-p.js
type=text/javascript/script
![endif]--


Try it, you might be pleasantly surprised.  
http://dean.edwards.name/IE7/intro/ 

-Original Message-
From: Bobby Hartsfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 9:17 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CSS

Since I can't twist everyone's arm who comes to the site and make them
download a patch... I'm still stuck with setting the class attribute.


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RE: CSS

2005-11-11 Thread Sandy Clark
The newest version is much faster Adam

Also in your stylesheets if you preface all #id's with the tag it helps
speed up as well. I think Dean has a list somewhere on his pages of tips and
tricks to speed it up. 

-Original Message-
From: Adam Haskell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 10:37 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CSS

only issue is if you have a slow machine or a large webpage it will slow
your browser down big time on load. Other than that it works like a champ
from our experiece.


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RE: 100% height and css

2005-11-10 Thread Sandy Clark
Try Skiddo Lean Its set up as a liquid layout, but you can modify it to set
it to a fixed width fairly easily. Its also cross browser compatible
already.



http://webhost.bridgew.edu/etribou/layouts/skidoo/lean/ 

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From: Jim Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 3:34 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: 100% height and css

 -Original Message-
 From: Ray Champagne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 1:01 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: 100% height and css
 
 Okay, I've looked all over the place, and can't find my answers.
 
 I am going forward with my complete css layout ambitions, and already, 
 I can see why css doesn't catch on.  It's frustrating!  I want to make 
 a fixed with (770 px), center-aligned, 3 column site that looks like so:
 
 
   header
 
 |left col| center | right col|
 
   footer
 

I've a similar layout at Depressedpress.com... honestly I gave up.

I use a single table for the main layout (the three columns) and styles for
every other aspects.

After several days of fiddling with hacks, workarounds, incompatibilities
and so forth (many of which were the fault of browsers but a healthy chunk
of which were inherent in CSS) I decided to give myself this one concession.

Works fine on all browsers (that I've tried) and doesn't keep me up worrying
too much.  ;^)

Jim Davis





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SOT: Upcoming 4 day CSS Class

2005-11-02 Thread Sandy Clark
I understand that registration has opened for my upcoming class on Cascading
Style Sheets at Teratech.

The class is 4 days, hands on and runs from November 29th through Friday
December 4th.

I will be spending a full day on floats, positioning and layouts as well as
covering lists, forms, typography and much much more.

For more information or to register
http://www.teratech.com/training/oc_classes.cfm#CS201H

Sandy Clark


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RE: SOT: Thoughts on Requiring Javascript

2005-10-18 Thread Sandy Clark
I'd like to see an example of your code.

Keep in mind that as I said, javascript in and of itself is not necessarily
inaccessible.  Its just that depending on what level of accessibility you
are trying to reach and how you interpret the guidelines or requirements,
determines whether javascript usage meets those requirements. 

-Original Message-
From: James Holmes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 1:04 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: SOT: Thoughts on Requiring Javascript

I've tested my CFAJAX driven DHTML with JAWS, Window-Eyes and the popular
screen reader on Mac (I've already forgotten its name) and all worked
perfectly.

On 10/17/05, Sandy Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Many screen readers for the blind, can't deal with DOM changes that 
 happen after an onLoad.  I'm not saying that javascript in and of 
 itself makes a page inaccessible, I'm saying that the requirement for 
 a page to meet either
 508 or WCAG accessibility guidelines require that the page work with 
 javascript disabled.



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RE: SOT: Thoughts on Requiring Javascript

2005-10-17 Thread Sandy Clark
I can tell you that section 508 and the WCAG both have a requirement that a
page be able to work without javascript in order to be considered
accessible.  If you are required to build accessible web pages, then that is
a major consideration.

However, IBM demonstrated an accessible javascript which the new Firefox
beta is supporting.  Once that is widely available, I believe that the
javascript disabled rule for accessibility will be deprecated.

Sandra Clark 

-Original Message-
From: John Wilker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 12:00 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: SOT: Thoughts on Requiring Javascript

I've never supported non-JS.

Cross browser JS, yes, but building a non-JS version...? Then what? A
version that works in Netscape 2? Maybe a Lynx only version? There comes a
point when you can't cater to the lowest common denominator.

IMO, JS is pretty darn common place. Those afraid of JS and cookies should
probably stick to sneaker net and snail mail :)

On 10/15/05, Dawson, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I'm interested in what you think of requiring JS for a web site. What 
 is the current mentality on JS? I know that to use Gmail, Google Maps 
 and, in our case, Blackboard Learning System, you must enable JS.

 I would love to get more into AJAX to make my pages easier to build 
 and use, but I'm afraid I may alienate some people. I will say, that 
 as an educational institution, we have some people that will disable 
 JS, but it should be a minimal amount.

 Let's say that I do require an extensive amount of JS on my site (it 
 will be an intranet), then how far do I go to support non-JS users?
 Let's also say I create a form that lets me look up a user based on 
 their ID number, name or email address. AJAX will make this task very 
 easy.

 However, if a person disables JS, should I bother to create a non-JS 
 version of the page?

 I'm just curious in how far you go to require JS and, if you do, do 
 you give an alternative other than Sorry, this page requires javascript?

 Thanks


 



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RE: SOT: Thoughts on Requiring Javascript

2005-10-17 Thread Sandy Clark
Many screen readers for the blind, can't deal with DOM changes that happen
after an onLoad.  I'm not saying that javascript in and of itself makes a
page inaccessible, I'm saying that the requirement for a page to meet either
508 or WCAG accessibility guidelines require that the page work with
javascript disabled.

Section 508 has two paragraphs that can be construed with this in mind for
DHTML /Javascript
(d) Documents shall be organized so they are readable without requiring an
associated style sheet.
(l) When pages utilize scripting languages to display content, or to create
interface elements, the information provided by the script shall be
identified with functional text that can be read by assistive technology.

WCAG is more direct.
6.1 Organize documents so they may be read without style sheets. For
example, when an HTML document is rendered without associated style sheets,
it must still be possible to read the document. [Priority 1] 
6.3 Ensure that pages are usable when scripts, applets, or other
programmatic objects are turned off or not supported. If this is not
possible, provide equivalent information on an alternative accessible page.
[Priority 1] 


For more information see
Section 508
http://www.section508.gov/index.cfm?FuseAction=ContentID=12#Web

WCAG
http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG10/

-Original Message-
From: Andy Matthews [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 9:45 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: SOT: Thoughts on Requiring Javascript

Sandy...

How is having javascript on your website causing a site to be
un-accessible? That makes no sense.

!//--
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-Original Message-
From: Sandy Clark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 6:33 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: SOT: Thoughts on Requiring Javascript


I can tell you that section 508 and the WCAG both have a requirement that a
page be able to work without javascript in order to be considered
accessible.  If you are required to build accessible web pages, then that is
a major consideration.

However, IBM demonstrated an accessible javascript which the new Firefox
beta is supporting.  Once that is widely available, I believe that the
javascript disabled rule for accessibility will be deprecated.

Sandra Clark

-Original Message-
From: John Wilker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 12:00 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: SOT: Thoughts on Requiring Javascript

I've never supported non-JS.

Cross browser JS, yes, but building a non-JS version...? Then what? A
version that works in Netscape 2? Maybe a Lynx only version? There comes a
point when you can't cater to the lowest common denominator.

IMO, JS is pretty darn common place. Those afraid of JS and cookies should
probably stick to sneaker net and snail mail :)

On 10/15/05, Dawson, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I'm interested in what you think of requiring JS for a web site. What 
 is the current mentality on JS? I know that to use Gmail, Google Maps 
 and, in our case, Blackboard Learning System, you must enable JS.

 I would love to get more into AJAX to make my pages easier to build 
 and use, but I'm afraid I may alienate some people. I will say, that 
 as an educational institution, we have some people that will disable 
 JS, but it should be a minimal amount.

 Let's say that I do require an extensive amount of JS on my site (it 
 will be an intranet), then how far do I go to support non-JS users?
 Let's also say I create a form that lets me look up a user based on 
 their ID number, name or email address. AJAX will make this task very 
 easy.

 However, if a person disables JS, should I bother to create a non-JS 
 version of the page?

 I'm just curious in how far you go to require JS and, if you do, do 
 you give an alternative other than Sorry, this page requires javascript?

 Thanks










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RE: IE and CSS

2005-10-14 Thread Sandy Clark
Can you provide a link to the page?

Sandy Clark 

-Original Message-
From: Jean-Baptiste Emanuel Zorg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 10:34 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: IE and CSS

i've got a div on a page that i want to encompass the full page.. it's a
container.
i have body,html set to height:100% but when i set the container div to 100%
it only goes to the height of the viewable area. but the page scrolls... and
the container div is too short..

any ideas or suggestions?

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Error with Query of Query in a CFC

2005-09-19 Thread Sandy Clark
I'm getting an error while trying to execute a q of q in a CFC.

The error I am getting is  Complex object types cannot be converted to
simple values. which seems to be coming from the From statement.

cffunction name=qry_orgsubset access=remote returntype=query
cfargument name=recordset type=query required=true

cfset var local=structnew()
cfquery dbtype=query name=local.rs_subset
Select
App_No, Org_Name, Org_Unit, Org_Address1,
Org_Address2, Org_City, 
Org_State, Org_Zip, Org_State_Other,
Org_Country
From #arguments.recordset#
/cfquery
cfreturn local.rs_subset
/cffunction

Can anyone shed any light on this?  It's the first time I am attempting to
use Query of Queries within a CFC.

Sandy Clark


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RE: Error with Query of Query in a CFC

2005-09-19 Thread Sandy Clark
That did it Brian, thanks

Changed to vRecordset and no problems.  Also took the  out of the
structnew() thanks for catching that as well (don't know how that happened) 

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Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 10:06 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Error with Query of Query in a CFC

Couple things Sandy, first shouldn't you have this:

 cfset var local=structNew() /

(you're setting it to the string structnew()).

And second, try using just from arguments.recordset instead of from
#arguments.recordset#. Note that recordset could well be a reserved work in
QofQ so you might also try using another name. I ran into a similar
situation where I was going crazy trying to figure out why a QofQ was
breaking until I found out that local is a reserved word for QofQ!

hth,

Brian 

On 9/19/05, Sandy Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I'm getting an error while trying to execute a q of q in a CFC.
 
 The error I am getting is  Complex object types cannot be converted 
 to simple values. which seems to be coming from the From statement.
 
 cffunction name=qry_orgsubset access=remote returntype=query
 cfargument name=recordset type=query 
 required=true
 
 cfset var local=structnew()
 cfquery dbtype=query name=local.rs_subset
 Select
 App_No, Org_Name, Org_Unit, 
 Org_Address1, Org_Address2, Org_City,
 Org_State, Org_Zip, Org_State_Other, 
 Org_Country
 From #arguments.recordset#
 /cfquery
 cfreturn local.rs_subset
 /cffunction
 
 Can anyone shed any light on this?  It's the first time I am 
 attempting to use Query of Queries within a CFC.
 
 Sandy Clark
 
 
 



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RE: CSS and Firefox

2005-09-14 Thread Sandy Clark
You are using the following doctype
?xml version=1.0 encoding=UTF-8?
!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN
http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd;

Take out the xml prolog (?xml version=1.0 encoding=UTF-8?).  That
throws IE into quirks mode, which uses a broken box model (width = borders +
padding + content).  The box model that firefox uses (and IE in standards
mode) is (width = content)   

Sandy Clark
-Original Message-
From: Cutter (CF-Talk) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 8:26 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: OT: CSS and Firefox

OK, I'm working on making all new sites I work on XHTML/CSS compliant, one
step at a time. Not a heavy learning curve, but I am running into some small
odd things that I don't understand. For instance, on
http://i05.irieradio.com, on pages other than the home page and the blogs
page, my central content area has decided to displace itself to below the
left nav. This only occurs in Firefox, it displays fine in IE. 
This is a pretty common layout so I'm going nuts trying to figure out why it
would be doing this. Any suggestions?

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RE: [CSS] vertical justify

2005-09-09 Thread Sandy Clark
CSS (neither 2 or 3) does not have a way of vertically justifying text.

If you are using tables (which I believe you are from your use of the word
cells) you might want to try td{vertical-align:center}. Since anything
within a cell is considered part of the inline layout model.

Sandra Clark 

-Original Message-
From: Ray Champagne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 2:01 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: [CSS] vertical justify

Is there a vertical alternative to justify in CSS (or html, really)? 
I want to stretch the content in my cells if they are all don't line up on
one line.

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RE: OT: CSS: image overflow in IE vs Firefox

2005-08-26 Thread Sandy Clark
Dave,

Can you put up a sample page so I can see the situation?  I think you are
running into an IE bug, but I am not sure yet. 

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From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 10:59 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: re: OT: CSS: image overflow in IE vs Firefox



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From: Damien McKenna [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 6:22 PM
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Subject: OT: CSS: image overflow in IE vs Firefox 

I'm working on a site where I'm attempting to make some images float outside
their parent div, as you'd often see in magazines where you've e.g. got a
column of text with an inserted image that pushes out wider than the text.

The way the page is set up is that there's text in the middle with one image
on floating on the left and one floating on the right, both of which are
supposed to push outside of the text column.

Here's one image that's supposed to float left:

div.insertLeft {
position: relative;
display: inline;
float: left;
width: 160px;
left: -25px;
}

This one is supposed to float right:

div.insertRight {
position: relative;
display: inline;
float: right;
width: 120px;
}

It looks simply beautiful in Firefox and was the reason I did the I love
CSS post the other day.  However, today I viewed it in IE and the
positioning is all off - the left image is positioned correctly but the text
flows 25px away from it instead of the 5px it should, and the right image
just floats right against the border as if I didn't have the width
attribute in the stylesheet at all.

Aside: /me thinks he's hit upon box model differences.

Any suggestions on how to do what I want to do?  I'll try css-discuss
tomorrow if nobody has any ideas.  Thanks.

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RE: CSS Help

2005-08-16 Thread Sandy Clark
You need a doctype in there, otherwise IE is going to go into quirks mode

Try HTML 4.01 strict, that should be a start.

As to the rest, maincontent has a width of 100%.  The question is 100% of
what?  Children in the dom inherit the width of their parents. Try to set
percentages for nav and side content as well and make sure the three of them
add up to 100%.

#nav {
float: left;
width: 160;

}
CSS does not recognize lengths without units (with the exception of 0). Is
this pixels? If so it should be set as 160px.  Don't mix absolute lengths
and relative lengths tho.  (pixels and %).  You won't get what you want. 

-Original Message-
From: Rick Root [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 9:58 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: OT: CSS Help

Can someone explain to me why the following template has spaces on either
side of the blue bar in the top middle section?

I'm converting an existing table-driven layout to CSS and it looks decent in
Firefox but the white spaces exist in IE.

http://www.it.dev.duke.edu/template.html

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RE: CSS Help

2005-08-16 Thread Sandy Clark
Different browsers will use different modes depending on the DocType used.
No DocType at all will always trigger Quirks mode.  The only ones I have
found that trigger Standards mode across most browsers are HTML 4.01 Strict
and xHTML 1.0 Strict.

For more of an explanation try this link  http://hsivonen.iki.fi/doctype/

While most browsers will try to use pixels for non specified units in CSS,
its not in the spec and you can't count on it over time.  Better to
explicitly state the unit. 

-Original Message-
From: Rick Root [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 11:04 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CSS Help

Sandy Clark wrote:
 You need a doctype in there, otherwise IE is going to go into quirks 
 mode Try HTML 4.01 strict, that should be a start.

Wow, that breaks everything! =)  How about 4.01 Transitional?

 As to the rest, maincontent has a width of 100%.  The question is 100% 
 of what?  Children in the dom inherit the width of their parents. Try 
 to set percentages for nav and side content as well and make sure the 
 three of them add up to 100%.

Can't do that.  My left nav and side bar areas can't be a percentage, they
are fixed widths.  So the width on my center area was set to 100%. 
  I actually removed it so it would use the inherited auto width.

 #nav {
   float: left;
   width: 160;
 
 }
 CSS does not recognize lengths without units (with the exception of 
 0). Is this pixels? If so it should be set as 160px.  Don't mix 
 absolute lengths and relative lengths tho.  (pixels and %).  You won't get
what you want.

Actually, all browsers seem to recognize that a width without a unit is a
pixel width, but for readability, I'll add px.

As for mixing absolute and relative lengths - well, I don't want to set an
absolute length on my mainContent div because I want it to take up all the
remaining space.  Setting the width to Auto should take care of that.

Sigh.

I should've taken that CSS Box Model class again at CFUNITED!

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RE: CSS Help

2005-08-16 Thread Sandy Clark
Yes, but you designed it in quirks mode. Best bet is to start commenting out
css and playing with it one bit at a time until you find the culprit.  

-Original Message-
From: Rick Root [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 1:21 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CSS Help

Well, I switched it to Strict and even went through and validated my CSS
using the w3c CSS validation service (http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/),
and it's fine.  No errors, no warnings.

And I've still got unwanted white space left and right on the blue bar in
the midddle when viewed in IE.

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RE: Browser Compatibility.

2005-08-05 Thread Sandy Clark
Try Browser Photo http://www.netmechanic.com/browser-index.htm 

-Original Message-
From: Jeff W [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 10:53 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: OT: Browser Compatibility.

What does everyone use to test browser compatibility, visually? 

Short of having a number of PC's/Macs running numerous operating systems and
different browsers or going by a text chart with different browsers and
versions incompatibilities, is there another way? I built a nice dynamic
tabbed menuing system that I want to make sure looks ok on older browsers. I
have the usuals loaded up IE.6, Firefox, netscape 6.1, netscape 8. My
validation check says theres incompatibilities with Netscape 6.0. which I
don't have and I know alot of people also use AOL as well, outside of
getting an AOL account, how do you go about testing those browsers?

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RE: Section 508 Compliance

2005-06-21 Thread Sandy Clark
Just an FYI, 

Section 508 is the government's requirements for the departments of the
executive branch and those receiving grant monies (or other monies) from the
executive branch and using that money to put something up on the web.

Current cases in the courts (including the agreement between both Ramada.com
and priceline.com with the New York Attorney General's office (under the
ADA) always are referencing the Web Content Accessibility Guidelines (WCAG
1.0) put out by the W3C.

http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG10/

AA (Priority 1 and 2) items make for a very good accessible site.
Paragraphs a-k of Section 508 Paragraph 1194.22 directly maps itself to many
Priority 1 items.  If you add in paragraphs l-o of Section 508 you are good
to go.

Sandy Clark
-Original Message-
From: Adrocknaphobia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 2:38 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Section 508 Compliance

Interesting. Unfortunately Mozilla is lacking in other areas for 508 that
I've tested. Like the inability to enlarge radio buttons and checkboxes. It
will enlarge the text on a form, but leave checkboxes and radio buttons
tiny, only enlarging the box around them.

-Adam

On 6/20/05, Dave Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Ctrl-mousewheel works in FF   :P
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Adrocknaphobia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 2:03 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: Section 508 Compliance
 
 
 Kinda ironic, but it should be noted that section508.gov isn't a very 
 good example of 508 compliancy itself. The biggest glaring mistake is 
 using an external mechanism outside the browser to adjust the text 
 size. If someone has poor vision, they aren't going to try and located 
 the mechanism on the page to enlarge the text. (If they can even find
 it)
 
 -Adam
 
 On 6/20/05, Deanna Schneider [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  http://www.section508.gov/
 
  On 6/20/05, Russ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   A client is asking us about having their website coded for the
disabled.
   I'm assuming he's talking about Section 508 compliance.  Can 
   anyone
 point me
   in the right direction for this?
  
  
  
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RE: css positioning HELPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP

2005-05-18 Thread Sandy Clark
Couple of things.

Liquid layouts are commonly used with em or percentages rather than with
pixels.  (Think of an em as 100% of the font-size).

Positioning and floating are mutually exclusive.  Floating takes something
out of the document flow. Position:relative positions something relative to
its original position. Using top:0 with position:relative does nothing.   

I can't get to the test page so I can't really help much.

A great layout for 3 col with headers and footers is Skiddo Lean (Ruthsarian
Layouts). Why reinvent the wheel?
http://webhost.bridgew.edu/etribou/layouts/skidoo/lean/

Sandy Clark

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From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 10:15 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: css positioning HELPP

trying to do the dreaded 3 column layout
http://icandfashion.com/icand2/controls/2.cfm
 as you can see the picture that should be on the right side is dropped
below the wrapper, I know there is a trick to this but can't recall.
 If i fix the whole wrapper to 1 size i can get it to work but I would
like the liquid layout.

 #rightWrap {
     background-image: url(12s.jpg);
     background-repeat: no-repeat;
     background-position: left top;
     height: 780px;
     width: 200px;
     position: relative;
     float: right;
     top: 0px;
     clear: left;
 }

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RE: CFForm, Section 508, JAWS and Window-Eyes problem

2005-05-09 Thread Sandy Clark
Its not that helpful, but at least you know you aren't alone.

http://www.macromedia.com/cfusion/knowledgebase/index.cfm?id=fcd4391epss=rs
s_flash_fcd4391e 

-Original Message-
From: Don Neizer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 3:41 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: CFForm, Section 508, JAWS and Window-Eyes problem

Below are 2 basic cfform examples; test_a1.cfm and test_a2.cfm (test_a2.cfm
is only provided as a submission point). Several efforts have failed in
getting the JAWS and Window-Eyes programs to read the test_a1.cfm which uses
the format=flash attribute.
Has anyone else run into this? Is there a solution? 
Thanks in advance,
Don

*test_a1.cfm**
!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN
http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd;
html xmlns=http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml;
head
meta http-equiv=Content-Type content=text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 /
titlecfform/flash test/title /head body cfform action=test_a2.cfm
method=POST format=flash timeout=1200 skin=haloGreen wmode=opaque
preservedata=Yes accessible=Yes preloader=false
 
 cfinput name=orgname type=Text label=Organization Name size=25
value= message=Enter Organization Name. required=Yes tabindex=1
enabled=Yes visible=Yes tooltip=Enter Organization/
 
  cfinput name=city type=Text label=City size=25 value=
message=Enter City. required=Yes tabindex=2 tooltip=Enter City/
 
  cfinput name=zip type=Text label=Zip Code mask=9
message=Enter Zip. validate=zipcode required=Yes visible=Yes
enabled=Yes value=  size=5 maxlength=5 tabindex=3 tooltip=Enter
Zip/
 
  cftextarea name=org_desc width=500 label=Description
required=no value= visible=Yes enabled=Yes tooltip=Paste
Description of Organization Services Text Below tabindex=4/cftextarea
  
  cfinput type=Submit label=submit button value=submit
name=submit tabindex=5/ 

/cfform
/body
/html

*test_a2.cfm**
cfoutput
Org: #FORM.orgname#
b /r
City: #FORM.city#
br /
Zip Code: #FORM.zip#
br /
Description: #FORM.org_desc#
br /
/cfoutput
cfform action= method=POST format=Flash timeout=1200
skin=haloGreen wmode=opaque preservedata=No accessible=Yes
preloader=false
 
cfformgroup type=horizontal
!--- Previous button. ---
   cfinput type=Button name=Edit value= Edit visible=Yes
enabled=Yes tabindex=20 onclick='GetURL(test_a1.cfm)'
!--- submit button ---
   cfinput type=Submit name=Next value=Submit visible=Yes
enabled=Yes tabindex=21  /cfformgroup

/cfform 

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RE: Is this possible with CSS

2005-04-27 Thread Sandy Clark
I tend to use Skiddo Lean for my 3 col header/footer layouts. Very cross
browser compatible

http://webhost.bridgew.edu/etribou/layouts/ 

-Original Message-
From: Andy Jarrett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 12:21 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: OT: Is this possible with CSS

Hi,

I am having a nightmare trying to replicate a 3 column site with CSS - it
nearly make me want to use table's (did i say that out loud)

To see what i am trying to create go to http://andyjarrett.co.uk/css.gif

For those of you who you can i am trying to create a 3 column site with a
header and footer.

h e a d e r
-
left col  | content  |  right col
-
 f o o t e r

The 3 middle columns should always be 100% of the gap between the header and
footer. With the left and right columns being fixed. In tables it would be

table border=0 width=100% height=100%
  tr
th colspan=3nbsp;/th
  /tr
  tr
td width=100nbsp;/td
tdnbsp;/td
td width=100nbsp;/td
  /tr
  tr
td colspan=3nbsp;/td
  /tr
/table


I have seen some templates but they rely on the content column to be the
longest. I have never found a solution as solid as the tables version.

Its gotta be do-able - actually its probably well easy but I'm just not
seeing it.

Cheers for any help

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RE: Slightly OT: XHTML (was Re: cfset ?)

2005-02-04 Thread Sandy Clark
Actually xHTML works fine in IE provided it is xHTML 1.0 served as text
through a mime type of text/html. It's the xhtml served as :
application/xhtml+xml, application/xml or text/xml that causes problems in
IE.(That's why I can't go to xHTML 1.1 since it has to be served with one of
those mime types.)

http://www.w3.org/International/articles/serving-xhtml/

Just remember to dump the prolog when serving xHTML (?xml version=1.0
encoding=utf-8?).  It throws IE into quirks mode. (Quirks mode = non
cross browser rendering compatibility and is not to be desired).

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-Original Message-
From: Micha Schopman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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Subject: RE: Slightly OT: XHTML (was Re: cfset ?)

XHTML is still unsupported by IE, so if you need to develop for IE, use
quirks mode at least, or stick to 4.01 

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-Original Message-
From: James Holmes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: vrijdag 4 februari 2005 3:53
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Slightly OT: XHTML (was Re: cfset ?)

TinyMCE outputs XHTML, so no problems there... 

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Sent: Friday, 4 February 2005 10:37
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Slightly OT: XHTML (was Re: cfset ?)

 

 From: Charlie Griefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 cleaning up the deprecated tags like font and the like will also 
 really clean up the code (and by putting all of the presentation code 
 into css, your pages will load that much faster)!
 
 /me hears ms. clark shout an amen from up north :)

I wonder what will happen to all those nifty WYSIWYG editors... I have
never
been a fan of the HTML they output.









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RE: checkboxes

2005-01-20 Thread Sandy Clark
form action=actfile.cfm
input type=checkbox name=ckbox1 value=1 /
/form

actfile.cfm
cfparam name=form.ckbox1 default=0 

-Original Message-
From: Donna French [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 4:36 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: checkboxes

what's the best method for dealing with checkboxes?

i want to insert a 1 if checked, a 0 if not.

should i set the value in my form, or check the checked status in my
insert query and set the value there? i know this should be simple but i've
stared at it so long now i've confused myself.

tia,
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RE: What if I want no layout in FuseBox?

2005-01-18 Thread Sandy Clark
Create a fbx_layouts file that just has the fusebox layout variable in it. 

-Original Message-
From: Claude Schneegans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 5:42 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: What if I want no layout in FuseBox?

Hi,

I'm trying to add some new functionality in some FuseBox application.
I've put everything in a specific subdirectory, set up a switch for it.
When displaying the page, FB tries to include a layout file from this
directory, since there is none, nothing happens, fine, but the problem is
that FB is tring to include all layout files he finds in all directories, up
to the main directory.
How can I stop the loop and include NO layout file at all?

Thanks.

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RE: CSS filename in Application.cfm

2004-12-13 Thread Sandy Clark
Set the name of the css filename in application.cfm (or another file) and
then use the variable in the proper place.

That way, you are keeping as much HTML in the proper place.  

-Original Message-
From: Stuart Kidd [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 8:53 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: CSS filename in Application.cfm

Hi guys,

I would like my site to use a particular stylesheet depending on the month.

Would it be better to do this in the Application.cfm or on the actual .cfm
page.

My code is not tested and there could be an error, i don't use 

Application.cfm
cfset thisEdition = #DatePart(m, UKTodayDate)#

myPage.cfm
link href=/webs/020/css/standard_#thisEdition#.css rel=stylesheet
type=text/css

OR

Everything on myPage.cfm?

Thanks,

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RE: SOT moving to FireFox

2004-12-13 Thread Sandy Clark
Actually that is not totally correct.

IE 5.x implements the box model as you describe.  However, IE6 in standards
mode implements the box model as specified by the CSS 2 standards.  

Standards mode is decided on by the browser, by the DocType you use.  No
Doctype will throw any browser into quirks mode.  The best DocTypes for
standards mode across browsers are HTML 4.01 strict and xHTML 1.0 strict (no
xml prolog, since that throws IE6 right into quirks mode).

Sandy Clark 

-Original Message-
From: Barney Boisvert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 9:46 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: SOT moving to FireFox

IE incorrectly implements the CSS box model, while FF (and other
browsers) gets it right.  Specifically, IE assumes the width you specify is
for the actual content area of the elements box, while the CSS spec says
that the width you specify is for the entire box (including padding, border,
and margin).  So if you've got 5px of margin, a 1px border, and 4px of
padding, your elements will be 10px wider than they should be.  Or, if
you're looking at it from the IE side, rather than the standards side, a
standards compliant browser will show your boxes 10px smaller than you're
used to.

cheers,
barneyb

On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 21:28:48 -0500, Victor Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
 Thanks Isaac,
 
 I have implemented the second part and it's working fine.
 I am working now on the first one. There is actually one function for 
 all the events:
 document.onmouseout  = ItemOut;
 document.onmousedown = ItemDown;
 document.onmouseup   = ItemUp;
 
 Thanks again.
 
 Victor
 
 PS One more thing: Is there a difference in rendering between the two 
 browsers? It seems that there is 5 pixel offset. Not a biggie but some 
 items on the form are not aligned properly.
 


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RE: Fusebox files and the debugger on CF MX studio

2004-12-07 Thread Sandy Clark
I don't believe the CFStudio debugger works with CFMX.

Sandy Clark 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 2:48 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Fusebox files and the debugger on CF MX studio

Hi Guys,
I have a problem.  I can't get the debugger on ColdFusion  MX studio to
work with Fusebox files.  Is this normal or is it a  bug.  Is there a
work-around?  
I would really appreciate  your help.

Thanks,

Tetteh Pecku




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RE: OT Content Protection

2004-12-07 Thread Sandy Clark
They disabled the mouse right click  using javascript.  If you disable
javascript then you can copy the text.
-Original Message-
From: Mickael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 4:29 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: OT Content Protection

Hi All,

Sorry for being OT.  But I was wondering how the following was accomplished.
I went to the following page 

http://www.nymity.com/pipeda/pipeda.asp#4_9principle9individualaccess

And I was not able to highlight the text, to copy in IE or able to Right
click copy in Firefox.

How is this done?

Mike




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RE: Sessions, losing CFID/CFTOKEN

2004-11-23 Thread Sandy Clark
The set domain cookies issue losing CFID/CFTOKEN is an IE issue.

I can't find the knowledge base item, but I remember I ran into this a long
time ago.  Try it in another better browser.  If it works there, you still
have the issue, but at least you know what is causing it. 

-Original Message-
From: Jim Curran [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 2:44 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Sessions, losing CFID/CFTOKEN

I've had this problem before...

Sometimes this happens if  Set domain cookies is enabled.

- j

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-Original Message-
From: Ken Dunnington [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 2:03 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Sessions, losing CFID/CFTOKEN


What do most people prefer, Coldfusion or J2EE session variables?

From what I've researched, it seems that going with J2EE is the best
choice, and I imagine that the main reason for sticking the old-school CF
session variables would be to preserve legacy applications that relied on
CFID and CFTOKEN cookies. With the two different types of session
management, and several identifiers created in several scopes, things can
get confusing. And this brings me to my question :)

I'm having a problem where a client will occasionally lose their session
while clicking around the site. I can see the CFID/CFTOKEN values change in
the URL (as well as the cookie, client, and session scopes - yes, I did turn
on EVERYTHING in cfapplication while testing
:)) I've put locks around the code that modifies session scope variables. To
make things more fun, this doesn't occur on all computers - only about half
the machines in our office have this problem.

I've done a lot of housecleaning in this app, which is good, but the site
still isn't working properly, which is bad. How can I ensure that clients
can actually keep their sessions? What if I don't have the option to use
J2EE session vars? What are the best set of parameters to use in the
cfapplication tag? Should I be using addToken to the cflocation tags I'm
using (admittedly, I'm overusing them, and I think this likely contributes
to the problem.) Where can I get some guidance on proper locking in MX 6.1?

On a somewhat related note, I'm having a problem where I make consecutive
function calls on an object located in session scope that make changes to
the database, and it appears that either the second operation (which adds
rows) is not being run, or is being run before the first operation (which
deletes rows.) In other words, I call
session.contact.clearAddresses() first, then
session.contact.addAddress(addressStruct) and the new address never gets
added. No errors, just an empty database. Sorry for the double question, I'd
be happy with help on either :)





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RE: The State of Programming in the United States?

2004-10-21 Thread Sandy Clark
I always considered DC and Maryland to be part of the Northeast until I
moved here.  Then I found out that technically we are part of the south (the
Mason-Dixon Line is the Maryland/Pennsylvania Border).

But I think in most people's minds that DC and Maryland are associated with
the North and Virginia is associated with the South.  (Maybe because of
their relative positions in the Civil War?  Maryland was neutral) 

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From: Jeffry Houser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 2:07 PM
To: CF-Jobs-Talk
Subject: RE: The State of Programming in the United States?

  I'm not sure what is odd.
  DC isn't part of the northeast; and Connecticut is about ~8-12 hours north
of DC.


At 12:03 PM 10/20/2004, you wrote:
That's odd as little as a couple months ago there were lots of govt.
openings in and near D.C. and someone commented how plentiful CF jobs were
in that area.

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Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 5:02 AM
To: CF-Jobs-Talk
Subject: Re: The State of Programming in the United States?

   There is very little work in Connecticut.  Based on what I can tell,
there
is very little CF work in the Northeast.







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RE: CSS and tableless tables

2004-10-02 Thread Sandy Clark
Send me some links so I can take a look.

 
Just curious, are you trying to show tabular data without tables?If so,
why?Tables are fine for tabular data, just (IMHO) not for layout.

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From: Phillip Perry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 7:57 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: OT: CSS and tableless tables

Sorry for the OT post but i need help.

The CSS I am using for a CSS table format works on 3 different browsers when
the css is embedded in the individual pages, but when I do a link or
cfinclude the formatting goes to hell. Is there any css experts out there
that can explain what I'm doing wrong?

Thanks

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RE: Fusebox layouts

2004-10-01 Thread Sandy Clark
Nested Layouts in FB3 require that you nest your circuits according to your
display requirements.A good conversation on Nested Layouts can be found at
http://www.secretagents.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=free.conversation12

 
I'm mainly concentrating on Layouts in FB4 (they are so much more powerful),
but basically, you create your display files (and each of these is
aggregated into the variable fusebox.layout.So at the beginning of your
file (your top level fbx_circuit calls your layout file) and you simply
include #fusebox.layout# inbetween your heading and footer code.

 
If you are just starting your application, I really recommend you go to FB4.
I have a lot of sample code and presentations on my site regarding FB4
layouts

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From: Rodger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 10:36 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Fusebox layouts

I have another fusebox question.
Right now I am putting all of my html into each dsp file.
I understand that the basic formatting can be done in a lay_default.cfm
file.
How does that work?

I am still using fusebox 3.

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RE: Fusebox sessions

2004-10-01 Thread Sandy Clark
FBX-Settings is a circuit level settings file,Circuits inherit what is
placed in FBX-Settings of their parent and then can either add or overwrite
specific information to their own fbx-settings files.

 
Global information would go in the fbx-settings file of the top level
parent.

 
However I do agree with Michael Tangoree about FB4.If you are just
learning this, you should be learning FB4.

 
If your concern is that you are on CF5 and can't use the XML parser
required, then you can go into FUSEQ which is a hybrid between FB3 and FB4.
FuseQ can be found at http://www.techspedition.com.A lot of what was in
FuseQ came into what is now FB4 including ContentVariables and the ability
to call fuseactions within fuseactions.

 
A good place to search for information would be on the forums at
fusebox.org.

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From: Rodger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 10:35 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Fusebox sessions

I want to put all of the session info that I would normally put into
application.cfm using fusebox. 
Info such as cfapplication name=, and cfcookie name=.
Do I put it into the fbx_Settings.cfm file?

I am currently using fusebox 3.

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RE: Losing Form Scope

2004-09-25 Thread Sandy Clark
ARe you by any chance using a Custom Tag?

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From: Stan Winchester [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 9:35 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Losing Form Scope

I have a form that is submitting to an action page, but for some reason when
the action page loads the form scope is gone, so when I look at the
debugging information under Scope Variables the entire Form Fields:
section is not even listed. This happens on the live CF5 server and my local
CFMX development server.

form action="" method=post

input type=hidden name=CorpOK value=true

input type=hidden .

input type=submit

 value=YES - Extend the Ad Account

 class=button

/form

Has anyone seen anything like this before?

Thank you,

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RE: Backing Up off of server (WAS RE: Doug White - clickdoug.com)

2004-09-24 Thread Sandy Clark
Right Click on your database, under all tasks choose Export data

 
In the Wizard
Choose your source --Next
Choose your destination--Next
Choose Select Objects to Copy--Next
Uncheck Copy All Objects
Uncheck Use Default Objects
Choose (Select Objects Button)
 Select those items you want to copy
 Click ok
Choose (Options Button)
Set up the appropriate items.

 
Run or schedule the DTS.

 
Another thing that I usually do is script the database including the
relationships (from Right Click, all tasks, choose (generate SQL).
I then create two scripts from that, one for the tables and the others to
apply the relationships.I have found (and I am not a SQL guru so I am
probably doing it wrong) that sometimes when I create a new database and
import data that some data doesn't move over because of foreign key
constraints.So if I copy the data over without the indexes, then run the
sql script containing the indexes, constraints etc, that it works better.


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From: Mike Kear [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 5:25 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Backing Up off of server (WAS RE: Doug White - clickdoug.com)

How do you make EM suck the remote database down, replace the tables
etc, but set up the identity indexes and primary keys?

I find when I use DTS to bring a table into my local database, the
identity attribute isnt set on the ID field, and the ID field isnt set
as primary key,so when I'm doing testing inserts fail.

Is there an option somewhere I'm missing? 

Cheers
Mike Kear
Windsor, NSW, Australia
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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 10:21:02 -0700
Subject: Re: Backing Up off of server (WAS RE: Doug White - clickdoug.com)
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Ahhh...you didn't pick the right optiondon't just pick the copy
all tables option (or whatever it's called...it's the default
selection)...there's another option on the same screen that says
something along the lines of Copy objects and data

After picking that you can pick which objects to pick (think the
default is everything)

HTH

Cheers

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RE: ;amp in my URL's?

2004-09-21 Thread Sandy Clark
If you are using FB4, then chances are that these are coming from relocates
in the circuit.xml.amp; is actually the way that they should be written
both in FB's circuit files and in HTML. 

 
Ampersands ('s) in URLs

Another common error occurs when including a URL which contains an ampersand
():

!-- This is invalid! -- a href="">

This example generates an error for unknown entity section because the 
is assumed to begin an entity
http://www.htmlhelp.com/reference/html40/entities/ . In many cases,
browsers will recover safely from the error, but the example used here will
cause the link to fail in Netscape 3.x (but not other versions of Netscape)
since it will assume that the author intended to write sect;ion, which is
equivalent to §ion.

To avoid problems with both validators and browsers, always use amp; in
place of :

a href="">

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From: Casey C Cook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 9:40 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: ;amp in my URL's?

Im trapping a few errors per day which means probably 1-1000 users (or 
more) is experiencing this problem, and not sure what could be causing it. 

Basically if I look at the cgi.query_string it shows

fuseaction=DisplayNewsamp;ContextID=MSAamp;ID=4324amp;GBT=Main

vs. what it should be

fuseaction=DisplayNewsContextID=MSAID=4324GBT=Main

What would be placing amp; in my URL strings? I simulated the exact steps 
as the user but did not throw an error message. We are both clicking the 
link from same version of lotus notes, launching the same version internet 
explorer external from lotus notes. Im almost sure this is some sort of 
setting in the broswer or on the computer, unrelated to the application 
itself. Any insight would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Casey Cook 

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RE: FB4.1 ETA?

2004-09-20 Thread Sandy Clark
,
myFusebox.params.userProvidedParseParameter,
myFusebox.params.userProvidedExecuteParameter. These default to FALSE unless
the user provides a value.

 
IMPLEMENTED - the application.fusebox.rootdirectory has been deprecated in
favor of the new application.fusebox.approotdirectory, and its twin
application.fusebox.webrootdirectory.

 
IMPLEMENTED- there are some new application.fusebox entries:
application.fusebox.CoreToAppRootPath which gives the relative path from the
core files to the root of the application, and its complement
application.fusebox.AppRootToCorePath. Likewise added was
application.fusebox.CoreToWebRootPath which gives the relative path from the
core files to the web root of the application (typically where index.cfm
is located), and its complement application.fusebox.WebRootToCorePath.

 
IMPLEMENTED- The new application.fusebox.isFullyLoaded is a boolean which
reflects whether the Loader successfully completed and
application.fusebox.dateLastLoaded holds a timestamp of when that occured

 
IMPLEMENTED-there is a new application.fusebox.errortemplatesPath which
points to the relative directory from the Root containing the error
templates for handling core file errors. It is fixed as errortemplates/

 
IMPLEMENTED- a zero-length fuseaction is now treated the same as if it were
undefined, rather than throwing a malformedFuseaction exception

 
DECLINED/POSTPONED-expansion of the circuit.fuseaction nomenclature to
fusebox.circuit.fuseaction. This would allow fusebox apps to be dropped
into other fusebox apps without having to be re-wired when the subordinate
app contains a circuit with the same alias as the larger app. 

 
IMPLEMENTED-assertions for Fusebox. You can toggle assertions in fusebox.xml
via useAssertions (by default, it's TRUE). Parsed fuseactions result in a
parsed file with assertions and another without. The corefiles will use the
asserted parsed file if it exists and assertions are on, else it will use
the unasserted parsed file.

 
IMPLEMENTED-Make which version of each core file be reflected in its file
name. The version of the Runtime core file executes only Loader,
Transformer, and Parser core files of the same version. Throw a new error of
fusebox.missingCoreFile as needed. The Core files also make use of two UDFs
(canonicalpath__() and relativeFilePath__()) which have been extracted
out of the core files and use the double-underscore to ensure they don't
step on your own UDF toes. We thank Massimo Foti and Barney Boisvert,
respectively, for contributing these UDFs.

 
IMPLEMENTED-- in fusebox.xml, if the parent or path attribute in a
circuit definition is omitted, it is assumed to be the empty string

 
IMPLEMENTED-If the parsed or plugins directory doesn't exist off your
application's root, the Fusebox core file will attempt to create it for you.
If cfdirectory is turned off on your server, this won't work and will
produce the same error as in FB4.0 of the given directory not existing.

 
IMPLEMENTED-Fusebox core file errors (of type fusebox.*) can be caught by
error templates. These should exist in a directory named errortemplates
off the root of app, and are name after the error to which they correspond.
Example: fusebox.undefinedFuseaction.cfm If the error template does not
exist, then Fusebox will throw the error normally, as in FB4.0
A list of possible fusebox core file errors types is below:

 
Custom Errorcan be thrown from core file:

fusebox.missingCoreFileruntime
fusebox.malformedFuseaction runtime
fusebox.undefinedCircuit runtime
fusebox.undefinedFuseaction runtime
fusebox.invalidAccessModifierruntime
 (formerly fusebox.AccessModifier)
fusebox.errorWritingParsedFile runtime
fusebox.missingParsedFileruntime
fusebox.missingAppPathruntime

 
fusebox.missingFuseboxXML loader
fusebox.fuseboxXMLErrorloader
fusebox.missingCircuitXML loader
fusebox.circuitXMLErrorloader

 
fusebox.undefinedCircuittransformer
fusebox.undefinedFuseactiontransformer
fusebox.overloadedFuseaction transformer
fusebox.invalidAccessModifiertransformer

 
fusebox.missingFuseparser(actually it is the parsed file
that will throw the error, at execution)
fusebox.failedAssertion parser(actually it is the parsed file
that will throw the error, at execution)
fusebox.badGrammarparser

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From: Nathan Strutz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 3:26 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: FB4.1 ETA?

Tangorre, Michael wrote:

 From: Damien McKenna [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Does anyone have an ETA on the release of Fusebox 4.1?
 
 Supposedly sometime this week according to the people I talked to at the
 conference this past weekend. I can't wait. I thought maybe they would
 have given it to us

RE: FB4.1 ETA?

2004-09-20 Thread Sandy Clark
That is a way to do it in FB3 yes, however in FB4, practically everyone was
using the globals plugin to do something like this, so it was re-implemented
in the core.

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CF Pretty Accessible at http://www.shayna.com/blog
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From: Damien McKenna [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 4:58 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: FB4.1 ETA?

Sandy Clark wrote:

IMPLEMENTED-addition of a application-wide template fusebox.init.cfm
which
loads at the top of every request. It runs after form/url variables are
copied to attributes scope and after completion of the Loader, but before
the default fuseaction is applied. This file can be a helpful substitute
for
application constants and has full access to the entire application.fusebox
structure. Depending on your app it may replace much of the need for the
Globals preProcess plugin common in so many FB4 applications and for an
application.cfm, at least in terms of your actual Fusebox app.


I do this in FB3... I set fbx_circuits.cfm like this:

cfset Fusebox.Circuits=StructNew()
cfset Fusebox.Circuits.Base = Base /
cfset Fusebox.Circuits.Company = 
#Fusebox.Circuits.Base#/Circuits/Company /
cfset Fusebox.Circuits.Products = 
#Fusebox.Circuits.Base#/Circuits/Products /
cfset Fusebox.Circuits.Support = 
#Fusebox.Circuits.Base#/Circuits/Support /

(SES urls...)

Then I have the following in the root fbx_settings.cfm:

cfset SiteHome = Company.Home /
cfparam name=Attributes.FuseAction default=#Variables.SiteHome# /

I store the individual circuits in the Circuits directory which keeps 
the root directory uncluttered.Then, when the home circuit is 
elsewhere I can keep the root fbx_settings.cfm file for global 
variables.Works well.
-- 
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RE: SOT: How to apply a style sheet to a file upload bottom.

2004-09-15 Thread Sandy Clark
Go here
http://www.quirksmode.org/dom/inputfile.html

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From: Ewok [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 11:43 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: SOT: How to apply a style sheet to a file upload bottom.

I don't see anything about the Browse button for a file type form field on
there. Any other button is pretty easy to set styles or use images for. Any
elements onclick could SUBMIT a form.

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From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 5:35 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: SOT: How to apply a style sheet to a file upload bottom.

i guess u could try this
http://dreamweaverfever.com/grow/

Form Button Fever!

This behavior will make any object a Submit or Reset button for your form.
It allows you to easily use a rollover image as a form button over even just
a text link. It was created especially for those Drumbeat users moving over
to UltraDev. I got bored of answering the question how do I make
such-and-such a submit button so I got busy with a behavior. 

-- Original Message --
From: Ciliotta, Mario [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date:Tue, 14 Sep 2004 22:24:45 +0100

Dave,
 
It is sort of what I am trying to do but I need to change the color of the
button to match the rest of the buttons on the site.The users want the
buttons to be a form of blue and when you the file upload dialogue the
problem
is that you get a gray browse button by default.
 
Mario
-Original Message-
From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 5:16 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: SOT: How to apply a style sheet to a file upload bottom.


i missed most of this as well but are u talking about doing this?
http://www.yockeys.com/test/b.cfm
only works in ie though
also there is an extention that turns images into submit buttons called
submit
form fever (i think)

-- Original Message --
From: Bryan Stevenson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date:Tue, 14 Sep 2004 13:31:20 -0700

Sorry...late to this thread...but AFAIK there is no way (I've tried hard
in
the past) to change the style of the BROWSE button that is produced using
an
input of type file

If there is a way of changing it...I'm all ears ;-)

Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
VP  Director of E-Commerce Development
Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
phone: 250.480.0642
fax: 250.480.1264
cell: 250.920.8830
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
web: www.electricedgesystems.com

 
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RE: If you really need work as a CF Programmer let me know.

2004-09-09 Thread Sandy Clark
I did, very happy.I'm actually working in the Bethesda area (which when I
do go to work, I mostly telecommute) is a 15 minute drive from my home.My
salary allows me to live comfortably and I know that if I choose to leave
the company I am at (I'm not) that there are plenty of jobs in the area.

 
It is much better than Los Angeles.

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CF Pretty Accessible at http://www.shayna.com/blog
Now offering 4 days Hands on CSS training October 11-14th. Rockville, MD.
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From: Steven A. Sherman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 3:37 PM
To: CF-Jobs-Talk
Subject: RE: If you really need work as a CF Programmer let me know.

Well, I came from San Diego and I will tell you I am much happier here!The
metro is awesome and if not you can SLUG (commuter lots).I have to say
the job security you get around here at a range of 80K to 125K is great.A
good CF Developer can be successful knowing that he/she can lean on the next
five companies begging for their services.When I moved here a year ago my
5K Sq Ft home was 350K and now the same home in Stafford, VA is 550K.

Now anyone living in San Diego will tell you that their 2 bedroom 1 bath
condo is a minimum of 400K.If I were a developer in Southern California, I
would be moving to the DC Area.

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From: Neil Robertson-Ravo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 3:24 PM
To: CF-Jobs-Talk
Subject: Re: If you really need work as a CF Programmer let me know.

Certainly cannot be as high as London!!

Connie DeCinko wrote:

But what's the cost of living like in that area?I heard it was pretty
high.

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From: Steven A. Sherman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 10:29 AM
To: CF-Jobs-Talk
Subject: If you really need work as a CF Programmer let me know.


If you can work on site in the DC area I get at least three job offers a
week.I used to post them on CF-Jobs.Then I just got lazy and started
sending others to the list.The pay is good up here and I have never been
offered less then 80k.DC is really a great place to earn some real
dough.


I also recommend the following sites:

http://www.careerbuilder.com http://www.careerbuilder.com/ 

http://www.dice.com http://www.dice.com/ 

http://www.monster.com http://www.monster.com/ 

http://www.washingtonpost.com http://www.washingtonpost.com/(try your
local metropolitan newspaper website) 

If you need a job bad..do a Google or an AllTheWeb search for .CFMand see
who is in your area hiring.



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RE: Fusebox

2004-09-04 Thread Sandy Clark
I know that this isn't what you really want to hear, but there is a fusebox
conference coming up in mid September http://www.cfconf.org/fusebox2004.
Its put on by the same people who put on CFUN.

 
There is a dearth of materials. I've made some stuff available on my web
site.I've bugged the fusebox powers that be about more community support.

You can get info at the fusebox mailing list, [EMAIL PROTECTED], the
fusebox forums (available at the fusebox.org site) or just google fusebox,
there is stuff out there, unfotunately its scattered.

Sandy Clark
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CF Pretty Accessible at http://www.shayna.com/blog
Now offering 4 days Hands on CSS training October 11-14th. Rockville, MD.
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From: Simeon Bateman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 11:00 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Fusebox

Hey Andrew,

I can't believe no one has responded to this.Its typically the
flame-bait that starts long threads on this list.

I have been developing fusebox apps for about 3 years.Started with
fb3, and once I switched companies in december and had access to cfmx,
immediatly switched to fb4.

Have been amanager of a group of developers I can say that above all
else choosing a framework has the benifit of putting all your
developers on the same page.No longer does any individual developer
have to guess at where someone else put certain logic or will this
conform with the groups efforts. Also if it comes time where you need
to bring on additional developers, it is very easy to single out
people skills or show them the path to get up to speed with your
development.

Now I know that this isnt selling fusebox per se, but I think it
covers the more important topic.Having A framework is very
important.

Ok, so fusebox.I like fusebox because it makes sense for me.It is
procedural and structured.My own develpment efforts had brought me
along much the sam path as fusebox,whil I was leaning CF.And the
benifits that came from upgraing to fb4 made it a no brainer,those
including flexibility and speed.

However its important to note that depending on where your expertise
lies, it make make more sense for your team to adopt Mach-ii.Which
is of couse an OO frame work for CF Development.This is also an
implicit invocation architecture, which basically means that that the
peices that run when a page is requested are not hard coded at design
time.

I think its also important to note that if you like the procedural
approach but like the benifits of Implicit Invocation, you can check
out OnTap.I will be honest here, in that I have not checked out
OnTap, and the only reason I know what I do about it because Sean
Corfield mentioned it when he spoke last month at the Portland CFUG.

Anyhow, I hope some of this helps you decide what the next step for
you will be.For more information about Fusebox you can visit
fusebox.org.The forums are a great place to search there and there
are a couple books out.For mach-ii visit http://mach-ii.com/ or
http://mach-ii.com/.And with any luck Issac will see this post and
put up some information about OnTap.

Good Luck 
sim

- Original Message -
From: Andrew Dixon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 23:43:26 +0100
Subject: Fusebox
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Hi Everyone.

We are just about to start a major new project, well actually a
complete upgrade from the ground up of an old project, but I have been
looking at doing it in a much more structured way and I wanted some
opinion about using Fusebox. We have never used it before, but we are
all highly experienced CF programmers (5+ years). What I'm really
looking for is some explaining of why it is better to use the Fusebox
method than just straight forward CF.

Also, can anyone point me in the direction of a good online
introduction to Fusebox as there doesn't seem to be much on the
Fusebox website.

Thanks

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RE: Does IE6 in XP render differently?

2004-08-21 Thread Sandy Clark
In the xHTML 1.0 Strict DoctType, height and width are not part of the spec.
I'm not surprised you got wierd results.You can define width using
colgroup but height is presentational and needs to be defined in the CSS

 
http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/dtds.html#a_dtd_XHTML-1.0-Strict

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What's even more ... interesting ... or weird if you like, is that in
the end, i found it wasn't the CSS styles that were throwing the
height out of wack as i had assumed ... it was just the height
attribute on a TD tag.
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RE: Does IE6 in XP render differently?

2004-08-20 Thread Sandy Clark
Check to see what rendering mode you are working in.If it is quirks mode,
that can be the problem.

 
If it is quirks mode than make sure you use a doctype that forces standards
mode.
The xml prolog will send IE6 into quirks mode.

 
To check, type_javascript_:alert(document.compatMode) into your address bar.
If it comes back withCSS1Compat then you are in standards mode.

 
A good explanation of the document types and the rendering modes they
trigger can be found at 
http://www.hut.fi/u/hsivonen/doctype.html

 
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From: Nando [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 2:58 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Does IE6 in XP render differently?

I ran across an oddity the other day ... I develop on Win2000 and
usually check page layouts in IE5, 5.5 and 6, Netscape, Firefox, and
on a few Mac browsers (depending on the client). A co-worker brought
to my attention the fact that a page she had designed was rendering
very differently on her XP IE6. Whoops!

The offending code seems to be my use of padding, or indeed any type
of css sizing (width, margin, padding, height. Something as simple as:

div style=padding-top:20px;
A few words in here
/div

within a TD having a height attribute in the tag renders very
differently in IE6 on XP (on her machine) than in all the other
browsers i'm testing on. At first glance, it seems to indicate that
the only way around this is to go back to using spacer gifs (uhhgg!).

Before i over-react - has anyone else run into this before? Can you
give me an idea of the scope of the problem? 

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RE: Double Negative way of making decisions? Good?

2004-08-19 Thread Sandy Clark
cf_historylesson

 
Michael Dinowitz had written an article on this years ago. Apparently it was
much faster to use Not compare() back during the CF3 and 4 days.I remember
writing stuff like that then.The reasons for using it became less useful
when CF5 came out since it ran considerably faster than older versions of CF
and squeezing every last millisecond became far less important (at least for
me) than writing more easily understood code,

 
The original article can be found at:
http://www.fusionauthority.com/alert/index.cfm?alertid=5#Tech2. (2000) 

 
Tom Nunamaker's article Nov 2002 on comparisons can be read here
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0MLU/is_11_4/ai_94550933/pg_1
/cf_historylesson

 
Sandy

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From: Michael Kear [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 6:24 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Double Negative way of making decisions? Good?

I've been taking a look at ContentMonger LiteCMS system, mentioned
elsewhere today by Matt Robertson (http://mysecretbase.com/CMLite_Home.cfm),
and I notice a lot of the decisions in the code are made by what seems to be
a double negative for me.Quite confusing until I got used to it.Is
there any performance or other advantage to doing it the way Matt does it,
or is it just a matter of style? 

For example, ContentMonger has this: 

cfif not Compare(GetItem.SecureDisplay,Y)
. Stuff .
/cfif

Where I'd be more likely to put this: 

cfif GetItem.SecureDisplay EQ Y
. Stuff .
/cfif

If it's just a matter of style, that's no problem, although I think my way
is more readable and more readily understood, but if there is any other
reason to do it Matt's way I've got an awful lot of revision of code to do!!
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OT - CSS Talk and Class Announcment

2004-08-09 Thread Sandy Clark
Just an FYI for those out there, I will be speaking at the NYCFUG tomorrow
night (Tuesday) on CSS. Hope to see many of you there.

I am also offering a class in CSS in October, this will be a 4 days, hands
on class.It is appropriate both for beginners and those who really want to
delve more into what CSS has to offer.

When: October 11 - 14th
Where: Teratech, Rockville, MD
Cost: $1399

Have you been hearing all the hype about Cascading Style Sheets and just
don't get it? You know you should be using them more, and you just know you
could be doing better? Learning CSS properties isn't enough, knowing when to
apply them, how to select for them and the underlying rules which govern
their behavior is critical to being able to pull yourself into the web
standards age. 

In this 4 day, hands on class, Sandra Clark, will unlock the mysteries of
CSS. This class is not a design class, rather it goes into the hows and whys
of how selectors, properties and browsers interact. You will learn what to
do, but also why you do it. Hands on labs help you to explore your
creativity, as well as how to design HTML and Style sheets that are easy to
read and maintain. 

This class is limited to 12 participants. Sign up early to guarantee
yourself space.

For more information, including a syllabus see
http://www.teratech.com/training/oc_classes.cfm#css

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RE: WTFOT: colorblind colors

2004-08-06 Thread Sandy Clark
Download ADesigner from IBM (its free) (check out my blog, I have the link
there).It simulates more than just color blindness.

 
http://www.shayna.com/blog

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From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 6:14 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: WTFOT: colorblind colors

does anyone know what colors are safe too use for colorblind ppl? 
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RE: Google?

2004-07-26 Thread Sandy Clark
http://money.cnn.com/2004/07/26/technology/google_site/index.htm?cnn=yes

Search engines sputter 
	
Technical difficulties prevent users of Google and other search sites from
surfing the Web.	

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From: Robert Munn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 2:37 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Google?

Is google down?


search is down from here. froogle is up. 

that can't be good for the valuation ... 
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RE: CF Hack

2004-07-21 Thread Sandy Clark
Found this on MACR 

 
http://www.macromedia.com/support/coldfusion/ts/documents/tn17881.htm

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From: Paul Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 8:02 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: CF Hack

Hi 

I've had the following files uploaded to one of my dev servers

get_registry_keys.cfm
kill_keys_commit.cfm
make_keys.cfm

Anyone seen this before?

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RE: ColdFusion and MVC model...

2004-07-18 Thread Sandy Clark
Go ahead and look at Fusebox. Its a framework for ColdFusion as Struts is a
Framework for Java.

 
http://www.fusebox.org 

 
You can buy one of two books (or both).

 
Discovering Fusebox 4 http://www.techspedition.com
Fusebox and Flip http://www.protonarts.com

 
Sandy

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From: Marco Antonio C. Santos [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2004 7:50 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: ColdFusion and MVC model...

Hi... Please, do you have any tips, tutorials or examples about how to
use MVC with CF? JSP haves Struts. And CF? How to separate Code from
Presentation? This all for (my) code reuse...

Thanx 
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RE: MAX 2004 (MVC's Session)

2004-07-16 Thread Sandy Clark
Hal told me he is actually speaking at MAX this year. ON CFC's so he will be
there.

 
I might end up at CF_UNDERGROUND before the conference, but not at MAX
itself.

 
Sandy

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From: Sean Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 1:31 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: MAX 2004 (MVC's Session)

 Anybody planning to do a session on MVC's(Mach-ii, other) for MAX 2004.

If it isn't on the topic list, then it isn't scheduled... Or are you
talking about something unofficial?

 Sean/Hal Helms/Ben?

I won't be at MAX. I don't believe Hal or Ben will be either. Fusebox
2004 is concentrating on Fusebox this year (sort of duh!) although a
Mach II course is planned to run immediately after the conference.
It's not looking likely that I'll be at that conference either
(although it's still under discussion). CFUN was the CF event for me
this year... :) 
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RE: CSE HTMLValidator, checking/validating markup

2004-07-06 Thread Sandy Clark
I use CSE Validator, as well as the style check in topstyle (for CSS
validation) 

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From: Earl, George [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 1:52 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: CSE HTMLValidator, checking/validating markup

Do you check/validate your markup with a software tool?

Do you use CSE HTMLValidator or a similar tool? 

Or do you just use the validator in Dreamweaver?

George
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RE: Fusebox 4 MVC

2004-07-02 Thread Sandy Clark
Simplest answer

 
Mach-ii - Implicit Invocation.Relies heavily on OOP and requires a good
working knowledge of OOP
Fusebox - Pipes and Filter - Procedural in nature No OOP knowledge required.

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From: Marlon Moyer 

Sorry to hijack the thread, but what does Fusebox 4 bring to the table that
Mach-II doesn't.I'm curious because I'm about to spend this weekend trying
to design a Mach-II site and was curious if I should also devote some time
to Fusebox 4.

Marlon
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RE: Fusebox 4 MVC

2004-07-01 Thread Sandy Clark
The controller the defaultfuseaction (specified in fusebox.xml) calls would
be the one triggered.

 
Specifically, controller circuits are publically accessible, model and view
are internal circuits.Controller's can call things from model and view
controllers, typically model and view controllers only call items in their
circuits.

 
If you want a nontrival example, go to the techspedition site, some of the
chapters are available as well as all of the sample applications.I wrote a
non-MVC blog for the book which Brian Kotek then turned into MVC (he never
touched a fuse, just touched how they were called).If you download both,
you can get a good idea.

 
Sandy

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From: Phill B [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 3:52 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Fusebox 4 MVC

So which circuit.xml.cfm is read first? From what I can tell, it would
be the controller.

If it is the controller. Would you say that it acts like a traffic cop
and directs all the MVC calls?

Phillip B. 

- Original Message -
From: Tangorre, Michael 

Phil,

 In FB 3 you had your switch file. In FB4 all I can tell is 

 that I would use circuit.xml.cfm in the controller directory. 

 Is that correct?

A circuit file goes in every circuit In MVC that would be any directory

underneath the M | V | C 
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RE: CSS layer positioning

2004-06-30 Thread Sandy Clark
In terms of what you are trying to do, you are using position:absolute which
takes the div out of the flow control.Try position:relative instead, which
will keep the element in the page flow. 
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From: James Smith
I am trying to do some page layout with layers and CSS and it is driving me
insane.The printing position is crucial as it will be printing onto
labels.

1) Is there any way I can control the page borders of the browser as if two
people have different margins set then the printouts won't match up.

2) If I set up a layer with the following code

div id=RightLabel#right(OrderNumber,7)#
 style=position:absolute;
 left:103mm;
 top:#evaluate(283*(currentrow-1) + 223)#mm;
 width:86mm;
 height:54mm;
 z-index:1;
 border-color:##00;
 border-style:solid;
 border-width:thin

Then page breaks are ignored and the second layer prints 506mm down the
FIRST page, as each page is only 283mm long this results in the layer not
getting printed at all.Similarly if I use top: 223mm then page breaks
are still ignored and all the layers are printed in the same place on the
first page.

These layers are printed from a cfoutput with several records creating code
in the format

Layer
Pagebreak
Layer
Pagebreak

And so on, but still all layers are treated as if they are on the same page.

Any one know how to fix this behaviour?

--
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RE: CSS layer positioning

2004-06-30 Thread Sandy Clark
I think the problem is you are trying to use the everything is a hammer
theory.In this case, I think either sending stuff to Word (search up Sam
Neff's work on CF and Office) or PDF is going to allow you the pixel perfect
placement you need.CSS is not pixel perfect.

 
http://www.mikepope.com/blog/DisplayBlog.aspx?permalink=695

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From: James Smith [
When I use position:relative I can't specify the exact position on the page
that the label prints as any positioning I specify is treated relative to
other page elements.In this case I need the position to be absolute so
that whatever else is on the page the labels at the bottom of the page are
always printed in exactly the same place. 
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RE: CSS layer positioning

2004-06-30 Thread Sandy Clark
Look into XSL-FO for XML to PDF translation.That should actually give you
what you are looking for.
http://www.antennahouse.com/XSLsample/XSLsample.htm

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From: James Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 8:58 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CSS layer positioning

I have already tried PDF and had to scrap that idea, the problem there is
that the print run could be anything from 1-300 pages, with PDF/FDF
combination I would either have to open 300 single page documents
(unacceptable) or open a 300 page document with 299 blank pages (also
unacceptable).

If anyone can tell me how to get absolute positioned layers onto the second
page then this will work fine as test prints of page 1 (the only one with
the layers on it at present) show the labels to be printed in exactly the
correct place.

I would also like to avoid Word if I can as I can't guarantee all computers
using this will have word installed (Acrobat I could, and a web browser is a
given).

 -Original Message-
 From: Sandy Clark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: 30 June 2004 13:40
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: RE: CSS layer positioning
 

 I think the problem is you are trying to use the everything 
 is a hammer
 theory.In this case, I think either sending stuff to Word 
 (search up Sam Neff's work on CF and Office) or PDF is going 
 to allow you the pixel perfect placement you need.CSS is 
 not pixel perfect.

 http://www.mikepope.com/blog/DisplayBlog.aspx?permalink=695
 
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 From: James Smith [
 When I use position:relative I can't specify the exact 
 position on the page that the label prints as any positioning 
 I specify is treated relative to other page elements.In 
 this case I need the position to be absolute so that whatever 
 else is on the page the labels at the bottom of the page are 
 always printed in exactly the same place. 
http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=37 
 
 
 
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RE: Absolute positioning in word (WAS: CSS layer positioning)

2004-06-30 Thread Sandy Clark
Easiest way I have seen it done,

 
Create your basic template in word.Make sure it works correctly.

 
Save to HTML

 
Add a cfcontent to the end sending it back to word.

 
Then start making it dynamic with cfloop, etc. 
Check out Sam Neff's articles, presentations and demos on his blog
http://www.rewindlife.com

 
Hope this helps.

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From: James Smith

ok, new problem then.Now resigned to using word and having to make sure
all client machines have it installed.

Now how do I do absolute positioning in word?I have played with

mso-table-anchor-horizontal: 0.7cm;
mso-table-anchor-vertical: 23cm

On tables but with no success, has anyone done this?

--
Jay
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RE: Blackstone @ CF-FUN '04

2004-06-28 Thread Sandy Clark
See my blog.
http://www.shayna.com/blog

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From: Alexander Sherwood 

Slight OT here:

Anyone catch Ben's Blackstone keynote(s) at CF-FUN? It was rumored that he
was going to demo some features not previously shown on the User Group tour
this summer.

Anyone have the details?!;-)

Thanks!

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RE: address labels

2004-06-24 Thread Sandy Clark
Samuel Neff did a great talk last year at the CFUG about integration with
Word that taked about this.Try his site.
http://www.rewindlife.com/archives/32.cfm http://www.rewindlife.com 

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 From: dave
 anyone have a cool tag for address labels?
 simple - query the db for mailing addresses and output to 
 print on a typical Avery label sheet.
 I suppose I could write it to an exel file but i remember 
 this coming up before but couldnt find in past posts
 
 thanks 
 

 
 
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RE: MAX registration?

2004-06-24 Thread Sandy Clark
Michael Smith usually runs a CFUnderground either one or two days before the
actual conference.

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From: Burns, John D 
By the way, are there any community type events on the days preceeding or
after the conference? (Something besides just hanging out that I can use to
justify my job paying for me to come down a few days early)

John
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RE: Chr() for a tab?

2004-06-22 Thread Sandy Clark
chr(9)

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From: Phillip B 

I've looked around and can't find the char() for a tab. Anyone know off 
hand?

Thanks
Phillip B.
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RE: cfun

2004-06-17 Thread Sandy Clark
I will be there, speaking twice on Sunday!

 
Looking forward to it.

 
Btw, at last count (Wednesday morning), there were 525 people registered.
It should be absolutely amazing

 
Sandy

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From: Whittingham, P 

Anyone going to CFUN in MD later this month?This is a thread in cfdj. Is
their a networking/fun gathering on Friday?

TIA,
Patrick Whittingham
United Space Alliance

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RE: cfun

2004-06-17 Thread Sandy Clark
Its the largest user group conference specifically for ColdFusion in the US.
This is the 5th year.

 
Last year it was something like 350 people. This year its 525 people, 2
days, 5 tracks, 36 speakers and a heck of a lot less expensive than MAX.

 
Also since most of the topics are CF/programmingoriented you get a lot
more bang for your buck than MAX.(I think MAX's schedule last year, only
15% of its talks were CF oriented. someone correct me if I am wrong).

 
http://www.cfconf.org/cfun-04/

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From: Tim Laureska [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 8:27 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: cfun

Where is this event and what is it... I'm in Maryland and was just
curious

Tim

-Original Message-
From: Sandy Clark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 8:17 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: cfun

I will be there, speaking twice on Sunday!

Looking forward to it.

Btw, at last count (Wednesday morning), there were 525 people
registered.
It should be absolutely amazing

Sandy

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From: Whittingham, P 

Anyone going to CFUN in MD later this month?This is a thread in cfdj.
Is
their a networking/fun gathering on Friday?

TIA,
Patrick Whittingham
United Space Alliance

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RE: How to Ban IP Addresses

2004-06-17 Thread Sandy Clark
cfset lowerrange = 127.0.0.1
cfset upperrange = 127.255.255.255

 
cfif cgi.remote_addr LT lowerrange OR cgi.remote_addr GT upperrange
 cflocation url="" 
/cfif

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From: Justin Jefferson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 8:30 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: How to Ban IP Addresses

I'm trying to figure out a way to ban IP Addresses that are outside a
particular IP range. 

If anyone has a idea that would be great. 
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RE: Frame Effect With CF?

2004-06-17 Thread Sandy Clark
Try iframes Its part of the HTML 4.01 spec

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From: Nick Baker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 11:53 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Frame Effect With CF?

Is there any way to embed a Frame within a table cell? From my limited 
knowledge of frames, frames have a lot of conflicts that make it very 
difficult to embed.

Or is there a custom CF Tag (or _javascript_ function) that will accomplish 
the same thing?

I am sure this is old hat to most of you. The goal is to eliminate so many 
accesses to the server. Download one document with Bookmarks. Current 
thinking is to use something like a table with two columns. Have the left 
col hold the links to Bookmarks and the right col contain the content.

Thanks,

Nick 
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RE: cfun

2004-06-17 Thread Sandy Clark
I live in the Hungerford area, about 10 minutes from the hotel.

 
Btw, there will be party for everyone on Saturday, so you might not want to
schedule anything that night unless it is much later in the evening say
around 9 or 10pm

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From: Tangorre, Michael
Adam,

Whereabouts do you live... I am right off of Tuckerman!

Mike

 I'll be there, along with my lovely fiance as always. This 
 will be my 3rd year going. I'm not cool enough to be 
 speaking, so I'll be drinking instead. It's my birthday that 
 Saturday so I hope I wont have to drink alone :(
 
 btw. also bringing 5 other coworkers along.
 
 Did I mention its only a few blocks from my home? If there is 
 enough interest I _could_ be persuaded to throw a kegger 
 saturday night.
 
 -Adam 
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RE: About Scoping mostly url and form

2004-06-17 Thread Sandy Clark
I use fusebox, which dumps all form and url values to an attributes scope.

 
You can emulate it if you don't want to make the move to FB.
cfscript
if (NOT IsDefined(attributes))
 attributes=structNew();
StructAppend(attributes, url, yes);
StructAppend(attributes, form, yes);
/cfscript

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From: Joshua O'Connor-Rose [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 12:47 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: About Scoping mostly url and form

At the risk of looking not too bright I have a question maybe I can get
help, or someone can put me in my place

So about scope.

when I started coding CF (about 7 years ago) I really didn't know about
scope at all, then I started using cgi session application client query
struct form url and request scopes.

But then I had a massive problems and had to change lots of code especialy
when I had forms and urls passing variables to the same page to do the same
thing. (mostly I had to write code to dump them all into request scope but I
never put together a script to do it, which right now I'm sure I'll find,
working with php fusebox form and url vars were dumped into an attributes
array easily and I can probably base it on that)

One day I just quit on the whole thing and ever since I realy haven't as
many problems.

What do you folks do when you want a variable that can be passed over form
or url? 
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RE: cfun

2004-06-17 Thread Sandy Clark
Parklawn was their old office, they haven't gotten around to taking off the
sign there (neither has the landlord).They moved to Gude drive about a
year ago.

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From: Adrocknaphobia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 1:23 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: cfun

I'm going to wait until after to conference to form an opinion of
which is better. This year is shaping up to be great for CFUN. However
you'd be a fool if you didnt try to convince your company to send you
to New Orleans on thier budget!

btw. Did TeraTech move to Parklawn? I just noticed thier sign on a
building there. Last I was at thier office it was off Gude.

-Adam

- Original Message -
From: Simon Horwith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 17:59:33 +0100
Subject: Re: cfun
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I wouldn't go that far.I think that MAX is definitely well worth the 
price tag.It's true that you don't get as many CF-specific topics at 
MAX, but that is a good or a bad thing depending on who you ask.
Personally, I learn a hell of a lot more at non CF-specific sessions, so 
I like that.I also don't believe CFUN is technically a user group 
conference, though I could well be wrong about that (it doesn't really 
matter, does it?).Last I heard, it's a TeraTech event that is 
sponsored by several CFUGs/MMUGs and other companies (see the CFUN site 
for a complete list of sponsors).I do believe that if all you're 
interested in is CF - you may well get more for your money at CFUN, but 
there's no denying that the quality of sessions and speakers at MAX is 
terrific.Bottom line is that I hold them equal in terms of value for 
money.If you're on a tight budget or have no interest in anything but 
CF then CFUN may well be the way to go.If your interests vary, you are 
interested in hearing more MM people speak (or in socializing with them 
more), and/or you can afford it then I recommend MAX.Personally, I 
wouldn't miss either.

~Simon

Simon Horwith
CTO, eTRILOGY ltd.
Member of Team Macromedia
Macromedia Certified Master Instructor
http://www.cfstandards.org

Sandy Clark wrote:

 Its the largest user group conference specifically for ColdFusion in 
 the US.
 This is the 5th year.


 Last year it was something like 350 people. This year its 525 people, 2
 days, 5 tracks, 36 speakers and a heck of a lot less expensive than MAX.


 Also since most of the topics are CF/programmingoriented you get a lot
 more bang for your buck than MAX.(I think MAX's schedule last year, only
 15% of its talks were CF oriented. someone correct me if I am wrong).


 http://www.cfconf.org/cfun-04/

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 From: Tim Laureska [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 8:27 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: RE: cfun

 Where is this event and what is it... I'm in Maryland and was just
 curious

 Tim

 -Original Message-
 From: Sandy Clark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 8:17 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: RE: cfun

 I will be there, speaking twice on Sunday!

 Looking forward to it.

 Btw, at last count (Wednesday morning), there were 525 people
 registered.
 It should be absolutely amazing

 Sandy

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 From: Whittingham, P

 Anyone going to CFUN in MD later this month?This is a thread in cfdj.
 Is
 their a networking/fun gathering on Friday?

 TIA,
 Patrick Whittingham
 United Space Alliance

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RE: was a tricky situation

2004-06-17 Thread Sandy Clark
I take umbrage at the term demented fuseboxer coder
ducking

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From: Lyons, Larry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 10:31 AM
To: CF-Jobs-Talk
Subject: RE: was a tricky situation

This week I am dealing with a page that makes at least 8 database calls all
the same, no caching etc, with more includes that a demented fusebox coder
would use.I ended up rewriting the page. Now its about 100 lines of code,
one database call and one include.

As I said, sometiimes I think that some people develop pages strictly for
job security. The maintenance on the old page was ugly.

larry

-Original Message-
From: Aaron Rouse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 10:31 AM
To: CF-Jobs-Talk
Subject: RE: was a tricky situation

I actually just remember even more recently than when I worked at the
University I came across bad coding practices.After working in such
scenarios I really do not think the ones I have been exposed to are for
job security, I think it is more of a lack of knowledge in the particular
task the people are setting out to get done.After hearing how Blackstone
is going to be more user friendly in hopes of gaining more
programmers of CF, I really wonder if that is just going to make life
harder on people.Seems like it might make people think they know a
language when really they know very little about it.

Snipe - CF_BotMaster Network=EFNet Channel=ColdFusion

On Thu, 17 Jun 2004, Lyons, Larry wrote:

 It very sounds like sites I've recently worked on, without naming name
that
 is. AS far as I can figure at least some of the time an approach, the app
 was written more to provide job security than anything else.
 
 Larry

 -Original Message-
 From: Aaron Rouse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 5:50 PM
 To: CF-Jobs-Talk
 Subject: Re: was a tricky situation
 
 
 When I was working at Rice University a few years back there were numerous
 code examples that match what you just gave.It was horrible to go in
 behind the developers who had made those systems and try to debug a
 problem.They were always very unaccepting of change in coding methods or
 much of anything else to top it all off.More times than not if I had to
 go into one of those applications to fix some reported error by a user, I
 would end up rewriting what ever piece was erroring out.I found it
 easier to do that than to try and figure out what they were attempting to
 do.
 
 Snipe - CF_BotMaster Network=EFNet Channel=ColdFusion
 
 On Wed, 16 Jun 2004, Joshua O'Connor-Rose wrote:
 
  so here's an example. Its not wrong just hard to read
  
  all forms post to a page called process.cfm which does a cfif on the
name
 of the submit button.
  
  after a bit he found that the process page was getting too long so now
 there are pages called process2.cfm process3.cfm and so on.
  
  Are joins cumbersome in access? would they be bad to use in anycase they
 didn't exist so much until I got here.
  
  I have done my part, I have made numerous recommendations to the
director
 of it (who the senior developer is not a part of) and warned about the
 stablity of a site that runs soley on access.
  
  my current joy is that I created the first application variable the
other
 day and so bit by bit I may be able to get some good logic going on.
  
  -Joshua O'Connor-Rose
  -All is Good
  
 
 

 
 
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RE: LIFT for DWMX 2004

2004-06-15 Thread Sandy Clark
Its okay for what it does, however it is really more useful for static sites
than dynamically generated sites.

 
Something that spiders a site is better IMHO. Because you can get the
interactions, especially if you are doing a lot of includes 

 
Also LIFT and any other accessibility checker is fine for those
accessibility items that can be programatically checked for, but it cannot
check for all items in accessibility. ie, it can check to make sure alt tags
are included for each image, but those alt tags actually have to have good
information in it.

 
Section 508 1194.22(a) states: A text equivalent for every non-text element
shall be provided.So in order to make sure that it really hits 508(a),
human intervention is needed.All an accessibility checker can do is tell
you whether there is an alt tag there or not, which isn't enough.

I.E.
img alt= / 
img alt=picture /
img alt=Man loading the trunk of his car /

 
While all the above will validate in an accessibility validator, only the
third one is truly accessible, since it actually describes the image in
detail.

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From: George Abraham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 12:51 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: SOT: LIFT for DWMX 2004

Hi,
Has anyone here used LIFT for DWMX 2004? If so, what are your 
experiences/recommendations? For those not in the know: LIFT is the
accessibility tool designed to work with Dreamweaver.

URL: http://www.usablenet.com/products_services/lift_dw/lift_dw.html

TIA,
George

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RE: LIFT for DWMX 2004

2004-06-15 Thread Sandy Clark
Bobby does an okay job, Web King is another one.A good one is infocus, but
its really pricy.A good list of tools can be found at:
http://www.webaim.org/products/

 
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From: George Abraham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 1:25 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: LIFT for DWMX 2004

Any good spiders that you have used for this?

George

At 01:12 PM 6/15/2004, Sandy Clark wrote:

Its okay for what it does, however it is really more useful for static
sites
than dynamically generated sites.

Something that spiders a site is better IMHO. Because you can get the
interactions, especially if you are doing a lot of includes

Also LIFT and any other accessibility checker is fine for those
accessibility items that can be programatically checked for, but it cannot
check for all items in accessibility. ie, it can check to make sure alt
tags
are included for each image, but those alt tags actually have to have good
information in it.

Section 508 1194.22(a) states: A text equivalent for every non-text element
shall be provided.So in order to make sure that it really hits 508(a),
human intervention is needed.All an accessibility checker can do is tell
you whether there is an alt tag there or not, which isn't enough.


I.E.
img alt= /
img alt=picture /
img alt=Man loading the trunk of his car /

While all the above will validate in an accessibility validator, only the
third one is truly accessible, since it actually describes the image in
detail.



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From: George Abraham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 12:51 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: SOT: LIFT for DWMX 2004



Hi,
Has anyone here used LIFT for DWMX 2004? If so, what are your
experiences/recommendations? For those not in the know: LIFT is the
accessibility tool designed to work with Dreamweaver.

URL: http://www.usablenet.com/products_services/lift_dw/lift_dw.html

TIA,
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RE: JS Page break

2004-06-04 Thread Sandy Clark
Keep iin mind that the CSS solution will only work in a paged medium (ie if
you are printing the pages). It will have no effect on a continous medium
such as the screen.

 
Sandy Clark

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From: Tyler Clendenin

no but there is css.look up always-break before and always-break-after.

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RE: More on Invoices

2004-05-28 Thread Sandy Clark
Theres a whole part of CSS 2 that deals with paged displays (ergo printing
to the printer).Unfortunately IE doesn't support it at all, NS/Moz
supports some and the one with the best (but not full support is Opera)
If you can use NS/Opera, then you can use page-break-after/page-break-before
in a print media style sheet.

 
Sandy Clark

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From: Andy Ousterhout 

Ok, bloated form, but looks nice.How would I catch if I need to start a
second page?Do I need to count lines and characters in each line's
descriptions to determine if time for new page or is there another way?
CSS? 
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RE: More on Invoices

2004-05-28 Thread Sandy Clark
I have had problems with IE on the following:

 
page-break:avoid.
widows: 
orphans:
@page{}
page:

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From: Barney Boisvert 

Page breaks work happily in IE.I don't know what else falls into whole
part of CSS 2, but at least that piece will work.

Cheers,
barneyb

 -Original Message-
 From: Sandy Clark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 11:49 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: RE: More on Invoices
 
 Theres a whole part of CSS 2 that deals with paged displays 
 (ergo printing
 to the printer).Unfortunately IE doesn't support it at all, NS/Moz
 supports some and the one with the best (but not full support 
 is Opera)
 If you can use NS/Opera, then you can use 
 page-break-after/page-break-before
 in a print media style sheet.

 Sandy Clark
 
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 From: Andy Ousterhout 
 
 Ok, bloated form, but looks nice.How would I catch if I 
 need to start a
 second page?Do I need to count lines and characters in each line's
 descriptions to determine if time for new page or is there 
 another way?
 CSS? 
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RE: user control - permissions - roles...

2004-05-22 Thread Sandy Clark
http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=34 Itend to use
a lock and key approach.3 tables. Items are locked and a user must have
the appropriate key to use the system.

 
Profile
privileges
profile_privileges

 
Profile has profile_id and name in it
Privileges is usually a privilege name and id
profile_privileges then has priv_id, profile_id (many to many table).

 
Each user is assigned a profile. Many users may belong to the same group.
Privileges are associated with a profile.

 
I have a custom tag/udf called validate_permission which simply checks that
the profile id has the privilege id which is associated with a particular
name.if validate(permission, profile_id, priv_name) is true. 

 
Since I do use Fusebox, I've actually written an entire security system
around it which allows using the fuseaction permission / attribute to
secure circuits or fuseactions to specific privileges.I can alsouse the
udf internally in scripts to secure specific lines of code.
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RE: CSS 'focus' in IE

2004-05-21 Thread Sandy Clark
IE6 doesn't support focus in CSS.However Dean Edwards Beta of IE7
(Internet Extensions) which is a set of behaviors for IE6 to make it more
CSS 2 compliant does support it.You can find the behaviors at
http://dean.edwards.name/IE7/

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 11:51 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: OT: CSS 'focus' in IE

Hello

I've been looking at
http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/selector.html#pseudo-elements and the
pseudo-class 'focus'

When I've got 

style type=text/css
.input { background: #CC; color: #00; }
.input:focus { background: #FF; color: #FF; }
/style

input type=text size=20 maxchar=20 class=input /

It works in Firebird 0.8 ok... but not in IE 6... anybody know a hack to
achieve it keeping it all in the CSS for IE 6?Or do we need to wait
for IE 7?

I've had a root about google but can't see anything that would help me.

(it's a external development done in UNIFACE so got no control over the
generation of the HTML code of the input elements)

Cheers if anyone can help.

-- 
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RE: SOT - Last nights NYCFUG meeting.

2004-05-20 Thread Sandy Clark
I saw a quote from you that said that while you were talking about all sorts
of neat stuff at the regular user group meeting, that you were actually
saving the big guns for the CFUN-04 conference in June! Can't wait Ben, see
ya there!

 
Sandy
http://www.cfconf.org/cfun-04/

 
and I promise, no rush this time

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Be sure to drop by one of the stop on my upcoming user group tour (stops
listed at http:// http://www.forta.com/ www.forta.com/, right column) to
see examples of this in action ...

Ooops, did I say that publicly!?!?!? Bad bad!

evil grin

--- Ben

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From: Ray Champagne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 11:59 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: SOT - Last nights NYCFUG meeting.

What is this all about now?PDF's from CFML?Easily? Me likee, want to 
hear more

Ray

At 10:55 AM 5/20/2004, you wrote:
On Thursday 20 May 2004 15:19 pm, Ubqtous wrote:
  I didn't sign an NDA ;)
...
  Some teaser demos of BlackStone, including very nifty CFFORM  FLASH
  integration. Also CFDOCUMENT TYPE=PDF (or something to that effect).

Does this mean we can stop dropping vague hints the next time anyone asks
about generating PDF from CFML ? :-)

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RE: How do you concatanate two table fields in CFQUERY with MS Access

2004-05-15 Thread Sandy Clark
tblJobSeekers.pverify,tblJobSeekers.jsphone1 
[atfname] +   + [atlname] AS AgentName

Looks like you are missing a comma after .jsphone]

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From: Angel Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2004 6:15 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: FW: How do you concatanate two table fields in CFQUERY with MS
Access 

Well Sandy...I tried that initially but it just didn't work.
So I thought I was doing something totally wrong and that Access SQL
uses something beside the +.

But! Good news!

I tried that code in an SQL Statement with nothing else but 

Select atfname + ' ' + atlname AS Agentname
FROM tblagent

And it worked fine.

So there must be something else in the syntax of 

SELECT tblusers.username, tblJobSeekers.jsfname,
tblJobSeekers.jslname,tblJobSeekers.jsemail, tblJobSeekers.jscountry,
tblJobSeekers.pverify,tblJobSeekers.jsphone1 
[atfname] +   + [atlname] AS AgentName
FROM tblAgent INNER JOIN (tblusers INNER JOIN tblJobSeekers ON
tblusers.userid = tblJobSeekers.userid) ON tblAgent.atid =
tblJobSeekers.agentid
ORDER BY tblJobSeekers.jslname;

That's causing it to fail. *sigh*
I hate syntax errors.
And I don't understand why the MSACcess SQL string failed to work. 
Could someone explain that?

Thanks for the help :)
-Gel

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Subject: How do you concatanate two table fields in CFQUERY with MS
Access 
From: Sandy Clark 

Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 22:18:07 -0400
Thread:
http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm/method=messagesthreadid
=32529forumid=4#163293

Sql uses +
 is the CF concatenation.

Silly gel. 
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RE: How do you concatanate two table fields in CFQUERY with MS Access

2004-05-14 Thread Sandy Clark
Sql uses +
 is the CF concatenation.

 
Silly gel. 
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From: Angel Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 9:40 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: How do you concatanate two table fields in CFQUERY with MS Access 

Hey all, 

I need some help with MSAccess SQL statements.

This code throws the error: Too Few Parameters

SELECT tblusers.username, tblJobSeekers.jsfname, tblJobSeekers.jslname,
tblJobSeekers.jsemail, tblJobSeekers.jscountry, tblJobSeekers.pverify,
tblJobSeekers.jsphone1, [atfname] [atlname] AS AgentName
FROM tblAgent INNER JOIN (tblusers INNER JOIN tblJobSeekers ON
tblusers.userid = tblJobSeekers.userid) ON tblAgent.atid =
tblJobSeekers.agentid
ORDER BY tblJobSeekers.jslname;

From this you can see that I want to concatenate the atfname and atlname
fields into one field and call it Agent Name. There's a reason I need to
have one column with this value rather than do it later when I'm
displaying the data, its for use with a custom tag. 

Can anyone suggest why I'm getting this error, and what should be the
correct syntax? This particular query works perfectly from within MS
Access itself. 

-Gel 
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RE: How would you handle this...

2004-05-13 Thread Sandy Clark
Give it to them the way they want, however architect it so that individual
items can be reused for when they finally decide to go to the faster more
pages way.

 
I suggest giving them a tab interface at the top to go to the individual
areas eventually.

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From: Tangorre, Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 10:10 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: How would you handle this...

I am working on an internal application and a lot of users want everything
on one page despite my voiced concerns about page load times and organizing
things better, etc... The problem is that this one page or to-be-one-page
has a lot going on. There are 13 drop down boxes (ranging from 10 options to
1500) all query driven and some that are even related to each other
(government agencies and bureaus for instance making for some crazy JS,
even using qForms and loading only the methods needed, etc). Another slow
point is saving the data which when complete, brings the user back to the
page. I am already caching queries and tuning the code for optimal
performance... I am out of solutions other than to let the users bitch and
moan about it being slow and then being asked to break it back out into
manageable sized pages. 

So, my question is... how much is too much? Has anyone dealt with
people/situations like this... how did it end up? How much input should the
developer have!!?

Open for suggestions and ideas...

Thanks!

Mike 
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RE: 508 Compliant?

2004-04-08 Thread Sandy Clark
Bobby and other validators will catch some information those items within
508 which can be validated programatically. However, there are other 508
guidelines that cannot be caught by any validator and requires human
interaction to determine.

 
Some items include (how your pages look to a color blind person, are the
descriptive alt tags really describing graphics, is the order in which your
page reads usable.Will your site work correctly with both CSS and
_javascript_ turned off.)

 
Nothing beats listening to your site in a speech browser or screen reader to
determine if a site is really accessible to blind or using other visual
tools to determine how a page looks to someone with limited vision or color
blindness.

 
Accessibility unfortunately (even 508) isn't something that can just be
turned over to a tool to determine.

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From: Matt Robertson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 9:27 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: 508 Compliant?

Does anyone know a validator or something to be used to verify if a
website
is 508 Compliant?

http://bobby.watchfire.com/bobby/html/en/index.jsp


Matt Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
MSB Designs, Inc.http://mysecretbase.com
 
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RE: Spam Farmers have arrived

2004-04-08 Thread Sandy Clark
That precludes people from emailing you off list though if they need to.

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From: Adkins, Randy 
 Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:54 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Spam Farmers have arrived

What I did was create a rule that if the email does not come
from houseoffusion.com, then it gets deleted

Just FYI

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From: Scott Weikert
 Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:45 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Spam Farmers have arrived

I just got a spam to the email address I set up specifically for CF-Talk 
traffic. It appears someone's farming email addys off this list now. FYI.

--Scott 
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RE: expanding div

2004-04-02 Thread Sandy Clark
Try some of these sites to get good 3 column layouts with headers and
footers. Why reinvent the wheel?

Glish
http://www.glish.com

 
The Page Maker
http://207.44.137.103/pagemaker_form.php

The Layout Reservoir 
http://www.bluerobot.com/web/layouts/ 

Paul O'Brian 
http://www.pmob.co.uk/temp/3colfixedtest_4.htm 

Web Dev CSS Layout Templates 
http://www.benmeadowcroft.com/webdev/ 



From: Bruce, Rodney S HQISEC/Veridian IT Services
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 11:47 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: OT: expanding div

 HI all
 
 I am just starting to use CSS.
 
 I want to replace a table I am using to display information with a CSS.
 
 The biggest issue I am having so far is that I cant get the divswith
 the data in them to all change size to match each other.
 
 
 ie:
 
 If all divs only have a single line of text, they are all the same size,
 but if one wraps and has two or more lines, only that div expands.
 How can I get them all to expand or contract to be the same height no
 mater what amount of text is in each Div?
 I limit the over all lenght with the outside div style=row.
 
 example:
 
 divstyle=row
 div style=coltext here/div
 div style=coltext here/div
 div style=coltext here, more text that will cause this div to
 wrap and be taller then the others./div
 div style=coltext here/div
 /div 
 
 
 
 Thanks
 Rodney 

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RE: Of Flash, Flex and Accessibility

2004-04-02 Thread Sandy Clark
Flash (and I am assuming Flex) incorporates the MSAAPI (Microsoft
Accessibility API), which (surprise!) only works on windows screen readers
which incorporates it.

 
Since Accessibility and 508 doesn't say only Windows, anything developed
with Flash/Flex at the moment isn't truely accessibile since it shuts out
anyone coming in on Mac, Linux, Unix, etc.While that might not be a huge
portion of the population, its still a problem.

 
The idea behind accessibility is to make your pages accessible to anyone
from anywhere regardless of their machinery, or disability or ability.
IMHO, Flash/Flex doesn't meet that standard.

 
Sandy Clark
http://www.shayna.com/blog ColdFusion, Fusebox, Web Standards, Accessibility
and CSS

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From: Morgan Senkal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 11:37 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Of Flash, Flex and Accessibility

I have seen lots of claims by MM that the Flash player (version?) as well as
Flex and even CFMX all have 'built-in' accessibility support.My question
is, exactly how accessible is the Flash player, and by extension Flex?What
tools are included that enable accessibility?As a government agency, we
are mandated by law to be 508 compliant, which at this time we are.If we
were ever to consider any sort of move towards an RIA and implementing Flash
and/or Flex (however unlikely at this time) these questions must be
answered. 
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RE: CSS and Cloaking Search Engine question...

2004-03-31 Thread Sandy Clark
Actually this is refered to as a skip navigation which is an accessibility
issue.

 
Section 508 1194.22 (o) A method shall be provided that permits users to
skip repetitive navigation links. 

Most pages want to hide it from their sighted users which is why they use a
display:none. However, according to Joe Clark, skip nav's should be always
be visual since they also serve other users, people who can't use a mouse
either because of a physical problem or who are browsing your site through a
mobile phone or other type of browser.

Sandra Clark
http://www.shayna.com/blog ColdFusion, Fusebox, Accessibility and CSS

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From: Les Mizzell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 11:35 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: OT: CSS and Cloaking Search Engine question...

Just out of curiosity:

Several of the CSS Books I'm studying hard advocate using page 
navigation to help with accessibility:

CSS:
#pagenav {
display:none;
}

On the Page:
div id=pagenav
ul
lilinks here/li
lilinks here/li
/ul
/div

This is certainly a good thing and I've started using it myself on a few 
sites I'm developing now, but would not this very same thing possibly be 
seen as cloaking or using hidden text by various search engines and 
get you penalized in the rankings?

Or, do the search robots pretty much ignore (for now) the CSS completely 
and view the list of display:none; links (and whatever else may be in 
there) as normal content on the page?

Just looking for opinions.

-- 
Les Mizzell
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There's no place like 127.0.0.1
 
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RE: CF Curriculum

2004-03-30 Thread Sandy Clark
CFUN ran a CF Bootcamp last year (and are running it this year as well). You
might want to check that out for an idea of what to talk about and in what
order.It starts at the bottom.

 
http://www.cfconf.org/cfun-04/session.cfm http://www.cfconf.org/ 

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From: Westin, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 1:10 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: CF Curriculum

Hello all, 
I work for a university and have been asked by an instructor to come in
for two days and provide a ColdFusion boot camp for a web design class.
I was wondering if anyone knew of any good resources for curriculum,
teaching CF etc. I started putting some things together, but am quickly
realizing there is a big difference between doing and teaching. 

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RE: CSS Question... is this possible?

2004-03-09 Thread Sandy Clark
Don't use the tables at all. If you simply use the div/div's to enclose
it, it should be okay. 

 
the situation is that a table won't automatically refresh itself (especially
IE).

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From: Jon Block [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 3:42 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: OT: CSS Question... is this possible?

I have a situation where I have a content display page that is quite long. I
want to split up the content into multiple pages. In other words, rather
than having a really really long page, I'd like to break it up and use
next/previous buttons for navigation.

Let's pretend that the following table is my HTML display code..

table
tr
td

/td
/tr
/table

The following is what should appear on pages 1 and on page 2

Page 1
--
This is an example.

Page 2
--
This is another example. In other words, this is the second page. This is
another example. In other words, this is the second page. This is another
example. In other words, this is the second page. This is another example.
In other words, this is the second page. This is another example. In other
words, this is the second page. This is another example. In other words,
this is the second page. This is another example. In other words, this is
the second page. This is another example. In other words, this is the second
page. This is another example. In other words, this is the second page.

Clearly, the content on page 2 is longer. That means that it would require
that the HTML table that the content is enclosed within needs to be longer.
Here's my question: I need to have the content and display code all live on
a single page. I'm going to use a link and a little bit of _javascript_ to
reload the page and div tags to mark off each page worth of content, and
then toggle the visibility property of the div to flip between pages...
something like this:

table
tr
td
div id=page1
This is an example.
/div
div id=page2
This is another example. In other words, this is the second page. This
is another example. In other words, this is the second page. This is another
example. In other words, this is the second page. This is another example.
In other words, this is the second page. This is another example. In other
words, this is the second page. This is another example. In other words,
this is the second page. This is another example. In other words, this is
the second page. This is another example. In other words, this is the second
page. This is another example. In other words, this is the second page.
/div
/td
/tr
/table

Although I've got this working on a basic level, the real problem I'm having
is I don't know how to get the html table that surrounds the div's to
adjust so that it is an appropriate height. For example, when I set the
visible of the second page to TRUE (and the first page to FALSE) and I look
at the web page, the content spills over the end of the HTML table. It's as
if I need to somehow inform the HTML table to expand itself so that it looks
like it integrates with the rest of the page.

One approach would obvioiusly be to simply set the base table to use a
really long height value so that its always longer than the content, but
that means that on my page #1, there would be a bunch of empty space below
the content and the bottom of the HTML table. Not good.

Well, I hope someone out there had the time to read this and understands CSS
well enough to steer me in the right direction...

Jon 
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RE: Repopulating Checkboxes

2004-03-04 Thread Sandy Clark
input type=checkbox cfif listcontains(form.musictype,'Jazz')
checked=checked /(Note this is XHTML format).

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Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 7:45 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Repopulating Checkboxes

I've got a list of items a user can choose using a series of checkboxes, one
for each choice.I'm recording all their choices in a single comma
delimited field.They click 4 boxes, it ends up as, for example,
Jazz,Blues,Rock,Bluegrass in a field of the database.

I can get the data in just fine, I just can't seem to get it back out.How
can I repopulate the checkboxes with the data from the delimited list? I
want a user to be able to edit their choices and see their previous choices
already checked.

Thanks in advance for any help.
Les 
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RE: Repopulating Checkboxes

2004-03-04 Thread Sandy Clark
Love you too Barney :)


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From: Barney Boisvert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 8:06 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Repopulating Checkboxes

And in my glee of finding the CF error, I missed the logic error.
listContains() searches for a list item that contains the string, not a list
item that is the string.

listContains(jazz/blues,jazz, jazz) = 1
listFind(jazz/blues,jazz, jazz) = 2

Cheers,
barneyb

 -Original Message-
 From: Sandy Clark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 4:52 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: RE: Repopulating Checkboxes
 
 input type=checkbox cfif listcontains(form.musictype,'Jazz')
 checked=checked /(Note this is XHTML format).
 
 
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 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 7:45 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Repopulating Checkboxes
 
 
 I've got a list of items a user can choose using a series of 
 checkboxes, one
 for each choice.I'm recording all their choices in a single comma
 delimited field.They click 4 boxes, it ends up as, for example,
 Jazz,Blues,Rock,Bluegrass in a field of the database.
 
 I can get the data in just fine, I just can't seem to get it 
 back out.How
 can I repopulate the checkboxes with the data from the 
 delimited list? I
 want a user to be able to edit their choices and see their 
 previous choices
 already checked.
 
 Thanks in advance for any help.
 Les 
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RE: CFabort

2004-03-03 Thread Sandy Clark
Why not just throw that in Application.cfm, or better yet (also in
Application.cfm), instead of setting your messages right in the cfif,
include a file that includes your site's template for a better look and
feel.

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From: Stuart Kidd [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 11:57 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: CFabort

I was thinking of a way how to stop use of my website at times of database
backups and such and other critical stuff.

Would it be a smart to put a line of code on all my pages that reads
something like

cfif #accessibility# is stop
Sorry, the site is down for critical updates.It will be up again shortly.
(or i could have an include file).
cfabort
/cfif

To trigger this I could just have a variable in my application.cfm that
states.

cfset accessibility = start

and when i want to stop access to the site i can go in and change it to:

cfset accessibility = stop

Does that seem like a smart move?

Cheers,

Stuart 
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RE: CSS

2004-02-25 Thread Sandy Clark
All that is necessary is to use link src="" media=print instead of link
src="" media=screen (can also do this with import). What I tend to do is
reverse the two when developing for print. so that the print version shows
up on the screen.then set them back when I am satisfied.

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From: Andy Ousterhout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 1:35 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: CSS

Can someone point me to a site that I can use to learn how to use CSS to
design pages to be printed versus for display?

Thanks,
Andy 
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RE: CSS

2004-02-25 Thread Sandy Clark
you can specify it either this way using @import (which will not show up in
NS4)
style type=text/css media=screen
@import url(../assets/summaryreport.css);
 /style
 style type=text/css media=print
@import url(../assets/printsummaryreport.css);
 /style

 
Or you can use the link syntax which will show in NS4
link type=text/css src="" media=screen /
link type=text/css src="" media=print
/

 
There are 2 books I would recommend (most CSS books are woefully out of
date)
Core CSS
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0130092789/qid=1077744376/sr=1
-1/ref=sr_1_1/102-0561933-6055321?v=glance
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0130092789/qid=1077744376/sr=
1-1/ref=sr_1_1/102-0561933-6055321?v=glances=books s=books
CSS 2 Programmers Reference
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0072131780/ref=pd_sim_books_2/
102-0561933-6055321?v=glance
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0072131780/ref=pd_sim_books_2
/102-0561933-6055321?v=glances=books s=books

 
For a good walk through some projects try
Eric Meyer on CSS - Mastering the language of web design
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/073571245X/ref=pd_sim_books_1/
102-0561933-6055321?v=glance
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/073571245X/ref=pd_sim_books_1
/102-0561933-6055321?v=glances=books s=books

 
another good one, though it doesn't really talk about CSS is
Designing with Web Standards - Jeffrey Zeldman
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0735712018/ref=pd_sim_books_1/
102-0561933-6055321?v=glance
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0735712018/ref=pd_sim_books_1
/102-0561933-6055321?v=glances=books s=books

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From: Andy Ousterhout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 4:08 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CSS

Thanks.

How do I specify a separate media type in the CSS?

I clearly don't know much about CSS.Is there a good book I can get as a
reference guide?
ll that is necessary is to use link src="" media=print instead of
link
src="" media=screen (can also do this with import). What I tend to do
is
reverse the two when developing for print. so that the print version shows
up on the screen.then set them back when I am satisfied. 
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RE: Source control ans Studio 5

2004-02-17 Thread Sandy Clark
I've done it with Networked drives. At the City of Los Angeles, I was in the
office with the server and some other programmers were in an office a few
blocks away. (PVCS 6 using CFStudio 5).PVCS was on a Unix Box. 

 
My connect times were pretty good, theirs were fairly slow.I would say it
is the VPN that is probably slowing you down.

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From: Jeff Beer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 10:08 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Source control ans Studio 5

Hello all,

Has anyone used PVCS with CF Studio 5? 

I have a project created in CFS Studio, it's mapped to PVCS.There are no
errors, but opening a directory takes forever, and I'm not able to check out
files - the option is greyed out on the right-click popup.

Opening the same diretory in Windows Explorer takes a couple seconds. In CF
Studio 5 it can take 8 or 9 minutes to load the project, then diretcory
changes within the project take another two or three minutes.

The project repository and the code directories are on mapped drives over
TCP/IP through a VPN. 

I'm not sure what else to tell you :)

Any ideas? I'm pretty stumped here.

Thanks! 
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RE: CF MX CFGRAPH

2004-02-03 Thread Sandy Clark
Cfgraph was deprecated in favor of cfchart in MX

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From: Nick Baker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 5:30 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: CF MX CFGRAPH

Developed some graphing (Line graphs) on CF 5.0 and it worked.When I 
uploaded to a ColdFusion MX server, at Intermedia.net, things changed quite 
a lot. Graph is all over the place and the title doesn't show. My guess is 
that the CFGRAPH tag is different for MX.

Can anyone explain the differences or where I can find info online for the 
MX CFGRAPH tag.

Thanks,

Nick 
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RE: Section 508

2004-01-15 Thread Sandy Clark
Sure they can be.

 
They might not be pretty, but they are readable. 

Check out either my site, or my blog.Grab the accessibility toolbars for
either Mozilla/Firebird or IE (there are posts on my blog pointing to them).
Turn off the stylesheets.

 
Readable? Yes,

 
Pretty, heck no.

If you use HTML to provide structure for your content and not do any
presentation in them, ie making sure your headers indicate structure h2's
nested in h1's. and your presentation is entirely in your css, it works.

 
For those pages which misused CSS for making content presentation (those
major overlapping words come to mind), that mixed content with presentation
and those aren't readable I agree.

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From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 10:21 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Section 508

 A page can be styled in CSS using positioning, etc. and still be 
 completely readable when style sheets are turned off.

It's worth noting that pages that depend on CSS positioning often aren't
readable without the style sheet.

Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
http://www.figleaf.com/
phone: 202-797-5496
fax: 202-797-5444
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RE: Section 508

2004-01-15 Thread Sandy Clark
Actually that is not true,Wired hides some content via styles that only
comes out when you are not using styles.

 
// Pulled from Wired's site with styles turned off.


Note: You are reading this message either because you can not see our css
files (served from Akamai for performance reasons), or because you do not
have a standards-compliant browser. Read our design notes
http://www.wired.com/news/explanation.htmlfor details. 

Welcome to Wired News. Skip directly to: Search Box
http://www.wired.com/#search , Section Navigation
http://www.wired.com/#nav , Content http://www.wired.com/#content .

 
This is extremely usable and accessible.A user who is not using
stylesheets (ie screen reader, mobile phone or other device) could go
directly to the important stuff, skipping the ads.

 
Section 508 paragraph (o) A method shall be provided that permits users to
skip repetitive navigation links.

 
Wired goes one better and allows the user to skip to the content that is
important to them.

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From: Jeremy Brodie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 9:23 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re:Section 508

Jochem,

I'll explain by example.

For example the wired.com front page only uses stylesheets for mark-up and
positioning, using just DIV, P, SPAN and Header tags attached to IDs. (This
page uses best practices from accessablity point of view according to the
W3). If one were to pull the stylesheet entirely then the page would show
numerous links, ads, promotions, Terra Lycos branding, market quotes and
information before going to the most important content to the reader-- the
stories and their descriptions!

While the page still functions and does not break (don't get me wrong,
that's important too!) the user has a long way before having the opportunity
to even read the important stories of the day. For people with low vision
(who this requirement was designed for) it becomes difficult to navigate the
site (ie less useable). 

Jeremy Brodie
Edgewater Technology

web: http://www.edgewater.com
phone:(703) 815-2500
nasdaq symbol: EDGE

 
 Why would a page loos its useability and clearness if you pull 
 the stylesheet away? Sure, it looses colors, positioning and 
 fonts, but does that _by_necessity_ mean that useability and 
 clearness is lost?
 
 Jochem
 
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