Re: HE3?
What happened to Matt Liotta... the same could be said for him as well. -Adam On 5/10/05, Adam Haskell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A question was posted in Cf-OT a while back with no response...not sure how much traffic OT gets so I figured I'd repost here...what happened with He3? seems to of kinda disappeared... Adam H ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:206190 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: HE3?
The CFEclipse list (http://cfeclipse.tigris.org/) has had some recent conversation about HE3, though it has slid over into other topics under that same subject line. Here's the short version: --- Matt Liotta and Guy Rish - RichPallette - said on the He3 mailing list that they had over promised and under delivered and that they were looking into a commercial partnership to move He3 forward: To this end, we are working to secure a partnership with an established commercial software vendor to help us bring He3 to market in a polished form. Quite simply, there will be no future releases of He3 until we can ensure that it is a proper replacement for ColdFusion Studio/Homesite. Sean A Corfield -- http://corfield.org/ Team Fusebox -- http://fusebox.org/ Dave Merrill A question was posted in Cf-OT a while back with no response...not sure how much traffic OT gets so I figured I'd repost here...what happened with He3? seems to of kinda disappeared... Adam H ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:206199 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: HE3?
Very true last I time I remeber a post form him was in a discussion about the usefulness of gateways...this was pre MX 7 beta... is he presenting at CFunited? Adam H On 5/10/05, Adrocknaphobia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What happened to Matt Liotta... the same could be said for him as well. -Adam On 5/10/05, Adam Haskell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A question was posted in Cf-OT a while back with no response...not sure how much traffic OT gets so I figured I'd repost here...what happened with He3? seems to of kinda disappeared... Adam H ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:206214 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: HE3?
There is a rather hefty discussion on just that on the cfeclipse mailing list. He3 dead? http://cfeclipse.tigris.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Adam Haskell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 9:07 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: HE3? A question was posted in Cf-OT a while back with no response...not sure how much traffic OT gets so I figured I'd repost here...what happened with He3? seems to of kinda disappeared... Adam H ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:206269 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: He3 beta release now available
I have He3 downloaded and installed, it looks pretty nice, especially the CVS integration and file comparison.However, aside from the built-in CFML and CFC templates, I've tried (and failed) to find those aspects of He3 that are specifically targeted to CFML development. Can you give us some info, or a quickstart guide, or anything more? Also, it doesn't seem like you can edit existing files without setting up a project, which seems mighty lame (as the kids say).Finally, does the cfeclipse plugin (http://cfeclipse.tigris.org/) work with He3 to give it CFML functionality? Pete [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
Re: He3 beta release now available
On Wed, 7 Jul 2004 10:18:18 -0400, Pete Ruckelshaus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have He3 downloaded and installed, it looks pretty nice, especially the CVS integration and file comparison. Those features are not part of He3 they are part of Eclipse, you'll get those features with out the He3 plugin. However, aside from the built-in CFML and CFC templates, I've tried (and failed) to find those aspects of He3 that are specifically targeted to CFML development. That is because, from what I hear, they dont exist in he3. You may be confusing he3 with cfeclipse (which of cource has the cvs and file comparisons as well - because it's built into eclipse) here is a screen shot of CFEclipse : http://cfeclipse.tigris.org/images/macbeta.jpg It has code outline, cfc metods view, and a bunch of other cfml specific tools. We have some alpha documentation if you'd like to check it out Can you give us some info, or a quickstart guide, or anything more? I can send you the CFEclipse one off list if you want Also, it doesn't seem like you can edit existing files without setting up a project, which seems mighty lame (as the kids say). CFEclipse is the same way Finally, does the cfeclipse plugin (http://cfeclipse.tigris.org/) work with He3 to give it CFML functionality? I have heard you can use them both together, but have not tired it. Cheers Pete, -- ~The cfml plug-in for eclipse~ http://cfeclipse.tigris.org ~open source xslt IDE~ http://treebeard.sourceforge.net ~open source XML database~ http://ashpool.sourceforge.net [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
RE: He3 beta release now available
Hi, I haven't gotten around to giving it a try yet, but the RichPalette site states: He3 provides a number of unique tools specifically targeted to CFML development. Additionally, He3 includes rich support for XML, HTML, CSS, and SQL as well as providing time saving _expression_ builders for regular expressions and XPaths. Further, He3 has built in support for community driven frameworks such as Fusebox 4 and Mach-II. I suppose these unique tools is what he's after. I assumed there would be more (and I'm sure there is) than tag reference and templates in a ColdFusion specific IDE. Best regards, Michael Wilson From: Rob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 10:56 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: He3 beta release now available However, aside from the built-in CFML and CFC templates, I've tried (and failed) to find those aspects of He3 that are specifically targeted to CFML development. That is because, from what I hear, they dont exist in he3. You may be confusing he3 with cfeclipse (which of cource has the cvs and file comparisons as well - because it's built into eclipse) here is a screen shot of CFEclipse : http://cfeclipse.tigris.org/images/macbeta.jpg It has code outline, cfc metods view, and a bunch of other cfml specific tools. We have some alpha documentation if you'd like to check it out [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
Re: He3 beta release now available
On Wed, 7 Jul 2004 12:38:37 -0400, Michael Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I suppose these unique tools is what he's after. I assumed there would be more (and I'm sure there is) than tag reference and templates in a ColdFusion specific IDE. One would hope so. -- ~The cfml plug-in for eclipse~ http://cfeclipse.tigris.org ~open source xslt IDE~ http://treebeard.sourceforge.net ~open source XML database~ http://ashpool.sourceforge.net [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
RE: He3 beta release now available
I have He3 downloaded and installed, it looks pretty nice, especially the CVS integration and file comparison.However, aside from the built-in CFML and CFC templates, I've tried (and failed) to find those aspects of He3 that are specifically targeted to CFML development. In my mind, CFML, HTML, XML, CSS, JS, and SQL are pretty common languages used by most CFML developers. We currently have editors for CFML, HTML, XML, and SQL, while support for CSS and JS will come later. Additionally, we currently have support for Mach-II, while we plan to support Fusebox 4 later. Finally, we currently support RegEx and XPath _expression_ builders both of which are used by a number of CFML developers, while we plan support for CFML expressions later. Remember, He3 is not a finished product; we released a beta to gain feedback from the community. The feedback so far as been great. We have already released two updates addressing people's concerns and more updates are on the way. Can you give us some info, or a quickstart guide, or anything more? I'm sorry but documentation is not available currently. Once He3's functionality becomes more finalized you can expect it though. Also, it doesn't seem like you can edit existing files without setting up a project, which seems mighty lame (as the kids say).Finally, does the cfeclipse plugin (http://cfeclipse.tigris.org/) work with He3 to give it CFML functionality? Editing files outside of a project is indeed quite buggy. While it does work for me on my machine, I know most people (on Windows) aren't able to get it to work. Although this particular bug will likely be solved in the future, there are still some differences between an editor and an IDE that will continue to shine through and I think this is just another example of that. Editors tend to be file focused, while IDEs are project focused. In regard to CFEclipse, feel free to use it with He3 if you'd like. It certainly has some functionality that we have not implemented and people like e.g. outline views. However, CFEclipse is certainly not required for He3. -Matt [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
RE: he3
We plan to post the latest installer on our web site today. I'd recommend joining the He3 mailing list at House of Fusion if you want to be informed first. -Matt -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tony Weeg Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 8:52 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: he3 I heard we could download this today? any ideas where from? ...tony tony weeg senior web applications architect navtrak, inc. www.navtrak.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] 410.548.2337 visit www.antiwrap.com to send long url emails to your friends! -- dont mistake my perfection as arrogance anonymous [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
Re: he3
I think it would be here... http://richpalette.com/ - Buddy I heard we could download this today? any ideas where from? ...tony tony weeg senior web applications architect navtrak, inc. www.navtrak.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] 410.548.2337 visit www.antiwrap.com to send long url emails to your friends! -- dont mistake my perfection as arrogance anonymous [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
RE: he3
I would to, however, not yet, from what I can see... ...tony tony weeg senior web applications architect navtrak, inc. www.navtrak.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] 410.548.2337 visit www.antiwrap.com to send long url emails to your friends! -- dont mistake my perfection as arrogance anonymous -Original Message- From: Buddy Langston [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 9:29 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: he3 I think it would be here... http://richpalette.com/ - Buddy I heard we could download this today? any ideas where from? ...tony tony weeg senior web applications architect navtrak, inc. www.navtrak.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] 410.548.2337 visit www.antiwrap.com to send long url emails to your friends! -- dont mistake my perfection as arrogance anonymous [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
RE: he3
Windows 2000, XP http://richpalette.com/He3_Beta_Win.zip Mac OS X http://richpalette.com/He3.pkg.zip Best regards, Michael Wilson From: Tony Weeg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 9:56 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: he3 I would to, however, not yet, from what I can see... ...tony [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
RE: He3 community input (custom tag paths/mappings)
That's not really what I'm thinking. My thought is to point the IDE to a single url (per development server) that returns stuff like this (in some xml format): Mappings: / = d:\inetpub\wwwroot /funkychicken = d:\inetpub\wwwroot\iama\funkychicken Tags: cf_chickendance = d:\inetpub\wwwroot\iama\funkychicken\chickendance.cfm This information could easily be determined by CF and would work just as fine on a 127.0.0.1 IP as it would a public IP. If the information is changed in the cf server, it would automatically reflect here. It could check the server once when the IDE is loading up then cache it like you're saying.This clearly doesn't solve everything, but it could be a start. If you can make this setup automated, that would be preferable. What it doesn't solve are things like dynamic includes, such as: cfinclude template=#funkychicken# To do that you either need to actually run the template or create a CFML engine. Steve _ From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 10:09 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: He3 community input (custom tag paths/mappings) How about a server component that would somehow translate the location of mappings/tags? I think that would allow you to setup a server once instead of each individual project. That would require that each project know what server to connect to since a developer may want to have different projects deploy to different servers. Further, it would require that the IDE be able to connect to the server during development, which would be annoying on a plane for example. Although, that could probably be solved with some sort of caching/synchronization routine. I certainly can see that it would be annoying to setup project after project with the same settings. However, I am not sure what you are suggesting is any better because of what I mentioned above. -Matt _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: He3 community input (undo after closing file)
Eclipse already has built-in support for that. Additionally, Eclipse has built-in support for retaining differences in files across saves. You could even several weeks later compare the differences between the current file and saved version from some time ago. This is in addition to any capabilities your source code control system has. -Matt On Jun 3, 2004, at 8:41 AM, Steve Nelson wrote: On another note, I'd love a feature that lets me undo after closing a document, even if I closed the file 3 weeks ago. Basically just write the undo commands to disk. I have plenty of disk space, so I honestly don't care how much space this would take up. Steve Nelson _ From: Steve Nelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 7:42 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: He3 community input (custom tag paths/mappings) That's not really what I'm thinking. My thought is to point the IDE to a single url (per development server) that returns stuff like this (in some xml format): Mappings: / = d:\inetpub\wwwroot /funkychicken = d:\inetpub\wwwroot\iama\funkychicken Tags: cf_chickendance = d:\inetpub\wwwroot\iama\funkychicken\chickendance.cfm This information could easily be determined by CF and would work just as fine on a 127.0.0.1 IP as it would a public IP. If the information is changed in the cf server, it would automatically reflect here. It could check the server once when the IDE is loading up then cache it like you're saying. This clearly doesn't solve everything, but it could be a start. If you can make this setup automated, that would be preferable. What it doesn't solve are things like dynamic includes, such as: cfinclude template=#funkychicken# To do that you either need to actually run the template or create a CFML engine. Steve _ From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 10:09 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: He3 community input (custom tag paths/mappings) How about a server component that would somehow translate the location of mappings/tags? I think that would allow you to setup a server once instead of each individual project. That would require that each project know what server to connect to since a developer may want to have different projects deploy to different servers. Further, it would require that the IDE be able to connect to the server during development, which would be annoying on a plane for example. Although, that could probably be solved with some sort of caching/synchronization routine. I certainly can see that it would be annoying to setup project after project with the same settings. However, I am not sure what you are suggesting is any better because of what I mentioned above. -Matt _ _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: He3 community input (undo after closing file)
On a side note you can download cfeclipse right now. http://cfeclipse.tigris.org On Thu, 2004-06-03 at 06:54, Matt Liotta wrote: Eclipse already has built-in support for that. Additionally, Eclipse has built-in support for retaining differences in files across saves. You could even several weeks later compare the differences between the current file and saved version from some time ago. This is in addition to any capabilities your source code control system has. -Matt On Jun 3, 2004, at 8:41 AM, Steve Nelson wrote: On another note, I'd love a feature that lets me undo after closing a document, even if I closed the file 3 weeks ago. Basically just write the undo commands to disk. I have plenty of disk space, so I honestly don't care how much space this would take up. Steve Nelson _ From: Steve Nelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 7:42 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: He3 community input (custom tag paths/mappings) That's not really what I'm thinking. My thought is to point the IDE to a single url (per development server) that returns stuff like this (in some xml format): Mappings: / = d:\inetpub\wwwroot /funkychicken = d:\inetpub\wwwroot\iama\funkychicken Tags: cf_chickendance = d:\inetpub\wwwroot\iama\funkychicken\chickendance.cfm This information could easily be determined by CF and would work just as fine on a 127.0.0.1 IP as it would a public IP. If the information is changed in the cf server, it would automatically reflect here. It could check the server once when the IDE is loading up then cache it like you're saying.This clearly doesn't solve everything, but it could be a start. If you can make this setup automated, that would be preferable. What it doesn't solve are things like dynamic includes, such as: cfinclude template=#funkychicken# To do that you either need to actually run the template or create a CFML engine. Steve _ From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 10:09 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: He3 community input (custom tag paths/mappings) How about a server component that would somehow translate the location of mappings/tags? I think that would allow you to setup a server once instead of each individual project. That would require that each project know what server to connect to since a developer may want to have different projects deploy to different servers. Further, it would require that the IDE be able to connect to the server during development, which would be annoying on a plane for example. Although, that could probably be solved with some sort of caching/synchronization routine. I certainly can see that it would be annoying to setup project after project with the same settings. However, I am not sure what you are suggesting is any better because of what I mentioned above. -Matt _ _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: He3 community input (custom tag paths/mappings)
How about a server component that would somehow translate the location of mappings/tags? I think that would allow you to setup a server once instead of each individual project. Steve Nelson _ From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2004 6:05 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: He3 community input (custom tag paths/mappings) For various types of features we would like to implement in He3, we need the ability to locate files that are defined by runtime information which won't be available. Examples of this include resolving cfincludes, custom tag calls, and CFC dot notation references. One way to solve this is for projects in He3 to be configured with custom tag paths and mappings that match the settings in the target platform. That leads to a few implications. First, it requires the developer to actually configure information in a project. I know DWMX's project configuration annoyed me when I was used to just pointing Studio at a file system directory. Second, the project's settings could get out of sync with the target platform thus causing unexpected behavior. Any thoughts on the proposed solution? -Matt _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: He3 community input (custom tag paths/mappings)
How about a server component that would somehow translate the location of mappings/tags? I think that would allow you to setup a server once instead of each individual project. That would require that each project know what server to connect to since a developer may want to have different projects deploy to different servers. Further, it would require that the IDE be able to connect to the server during development, which would be annoying on a plane for example. Although, that could probably be solved with some sort of caching/synchronization routine. I certainly can see that it would be annoying to setup project after project with the same settings. However, I am not sure what you are suggesting is any better because of what I mentioned above. -Matt [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: He3 community input (custom tag paths/mappings)
First, it requires the developer to actually configure information in a project. I know DWMX's project configuration annoyed me when I was used to just pointing Studio at a file system directory Matt, The key in to ensure that I can can get a feel for functionality without slogging my way through a project setup. (Perhaps bundle a series of simple Hello, World! projects that can be used to get a feel for things.) Once I'm sold, the minor investment in setup time won't be a big deal. Second, the project's settings could get out of sync with the target platform thus causing unexpected behavior. Throwing out ideas: - Let me tell the app which files contain vital settings (hopefully, there won't be more than a few per project), and optionally (by default?) remind me to check my project settings when changes are made to those files. - Let me define the settings in the project info, and then automatically insert the values into my files wherever I enter something like [$He3.CFCpath$]. If I change the value, sweep through and update my code. -- Roger Benningfield work: http://journurl.com/ blog: http://admin.mxblogspace.journurl.com/ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: He3 community input (custom tag paths/mappings)
For various types of features we would like to implement in He3, we need the ability to locate files that are defined by runtime information which won't be available. Examples of this include resolving cfincludes, custom tag calls, and CFC dot notation references. One way to solve this is for projects in He3 to be configured with custom tag paths and mappings that match the settings in the target platform. That leads to a few implications. First, it requires the developer to actually configure information in a project. I know DWMX's project configuration annoyed me when I was used to just pointing Studio at a file system directory. Second, the project's settings could get out of sync with the target platform thus causing unexpected behavior. Any thoughts on the proposed solution? Do you see people's settings changing often? Normally (well, for my projects anyway), the settings (DSN, mapping) are setup at the beginning and never change. The main thing that _does_ change are the files. So if your product's concept of projects would auto include all files in a folder, then I think it would be fine. I'd have no issue setting up things like the DSN and mapping since this would only need to be done once per project. [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: He3 community input (custom tag paths/mappings)
Do you see people's settings changing often? Normally (well, for my projects anyway), the settings (DSN, mapping) are setup at the beginning and never change. The main thing that _does_ change are the files. So if your product's concept of projects would auto include all files in a folder, then I think it would be fine. I'd have no issue setting up things like the DSN and mapping since this would only need to be done once per project. I'd also point out, that there are times when I want to use full featured editor, but don't necessarily need/want to set up a project just to edit a couple of rogue files. So, I want both a project view and a normal o/s file view--depending on how I'm working at the moment. - Dan [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: He3 community input (custom tag paths/mappings)
I'd also point out, that there are times when I want to use full featured editor, but don't necessarily need/want to set up a project just to edit a couple of rogue files. So, I want both a project view and a normal o/s file view--depending on how I'm working at the moment. A huge +1 on this. I hate editors that make me jump through hoops just to do quick edits. Projects should _not_ be required, period. If it means I lose features (like maybe right clicking on a cfinclude and loading the file it loads), thats fine. -Ray [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: He3 community input (custom tag paths/mappings)
I guess I don't need to point out my +1 here. Anyway, my thinking is that if you don't provide the information needed the editor will continue to function, but what offer the same functionality. -Matt On May 31, 2004, at 10:46 AM, Raymond Camden wrote: I'd also point out, that there are times when I want to use full featured editor, but don't necessarily need/want to set up a project just to edit a couple of rogue files. So, I want both a project view and a normal o/s file view--depending on how I'm working at the moment. A huge +1 on this. I hate editors that make me jump through hoops just to do quick edits. Projects should _not_ be required, period. If it means I lose features (like maybe right clicking on a cfinclude and loading the file it loads), thats fine. -Ray [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: He3 community input (custom tag paths/mappings)
Matt, I guess I don't need to point out my +1 here. Anyway, my thinking is that if you don't provide the information needed the editor will continue to function, but what offer the same functionality. I figured that's the way you were doing things, but I figured I might as well re-iterate my preference. Also, one thing I'd like to see in a CF IDE is for the pounded variables to be color coded--I think not color coding variables in CF Studio was a big oversight. (i.e #variables.someVar# should be something that's color coded.) - Dan [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: He3
On Wednesday 05 May 2004 20:24 pm, Guy Rish wrote: Gestaltech (my company) and R337 Consulting (Matt's company) have formed a partnership (http://www.richpalette.com) for the construction of a new product, He3, a ColdFusion IDE based upon Eclipse. Wow ! Great news ! Sign me up for that beta, there is no way I'm going to be able to go to a conference in another country ( :-( )... Would the final product be free (beer, speech) ? If not, do you have a price point in mind ? -- Tom Chiverton Advanced ColdFusion Programmer Tel: +44(0)1749 834997 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] BlueFinger Limited Underwood Business Park Wookey Hole Road, WELLS. BA5 1AF Tel: +44 (0)1749 834900 Fax: +44 (0)1749 834901 web: www.bluefinger.com Company Reg No: 4209395 Registered Office: 2 Temple Back East, Temple Quay, BRISTOL. BS1 6EG. *** This E-mail contains confidential information for the addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately. You should not use, disclose, distribute or copy this communication if received in error. No binding contract will result from this e-mail until such time as a written document is signed on behalf of the company. BlueFinger Limited cannot accept responsibility for the completeness or accuracy of this message as it has been transmitted over public networks.*** [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: He3
Sign me up for that beta, there is no way I'm going to be able to go to a conference in another country ( :-( )... The public beta will begin after CFUN-04, but we will certainly keep you informed. We have had significant response to our initial announcement and as such we are creating an announcement mailing list. If you or anyone else would like to be on that list, please send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Would the final product be free (beer, speech) ? If not, do you have a price point in mind ? The beta version(s) of the product will be freely available as in beer, but not speech. We do plan to sell a version of He3 in the future. However, we are not currently disclosing what editions of He3 will be or how much they will cost. It is certainly possible that one particular edition of He3 will be available for free even after the beta ends. Ultimately, He3 will be reasonably priced. -Matt [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: He3
Sorry if this has been asked already, but what is the differences between He3 and cfeclipse going to be? [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: He3
At 09:31 AM 5/6/2004 -0400, Matt Liotta wrote: The beta version(s) of the product will be freely available as in beer, but not speech. We do plan to sell a version of He3 in the future. What do the terms free as in beer and free as in speech mean?To me, free as in beer would be a scam - like all those posters in university that offered FREE BEER! and then when you read them, were about something completely different. T [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: He3
Well there are some obvious differences that would exist between any commercial offering and an open source project. I won't summarize those since I think we all understand them. The main difference will be in functionality, which is hard to enumerate right now since we haven't disclosed all the features of He3. However, we did already announce support Fusebox 4 and Mach-II as well as _expression_ builders that cfeclipse doesn't have. There will be plenty more features in He3 that we don't expect cfeclipse will get especially in regards to CFCs and debugger. We will be making more announcements about additional functionality as time goes on. I don't want to take away from the work being done by the cfeclipse project. However, any ColdFusion IDE that expects to compete with what was ColdFusion Studio has to have a significant amount of breadth and depth. Today the cfeclipse project doesn't provide that, but that is perfectly okay for that project. He3 on the other hand --as a commercial product-- must. Matt Liotta R337 Consulting LLC http://r337.com On May 6, 2004, at 9:39 AM, Bryan F. Hogan wrote: Sorry if this has been asked already, but what is the differences between He3 and cfeclipse going to be? [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: He3
Remember, you don't own a beer, you only rent it :) Of course, beer always tastes better when someone else is buying, which is why I am so proud to say that I actually DO work for beer :P Pete Thane Sherrington wrote: At 09:31 AM 5/6/2004 -0400, Matt Liotta wrote: The beta version(s) of the product will be freely available as in beer, but not speech. We do plan to sell a version of He3 in the future. What do the terms free as in beer and free as in speech mean?To me, free as in beer would be a scam - like all those posters in university that offered FREE BEER! and then when you read them, were about something completely different. T [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: He3
On Thursday 06 May 2004 14:48 pm, Thane Sherrington wrote: What do the terms free as in beer and free as in speech mean? http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html -- Tom Chiverton Advanced ColdFusion Programmer Tel: +44(0)1749 834997 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] BlueFinger Limited Underwood Business Park Wookey Hole Road, WELLS. BA5 1AF Tel: +44 (0)1749 834900 Fax: +44 (0)1749 834901 web: www.bluefinger.com Company Reg No: 4209395 Registered Office: 2 Temple Back East, Temple Quay, BRISTOL. BS1 6EG. *** This E-mail contains confidential information for the addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately. You should not use, disclose, distribute or copy this communication if received in error. No binding contract will result from this e-mail until such time as a written document is signed on behalf of the company. BlueFinger Limited cannot accept responsibility for the completeness or accuracy of this message as it has been transmitted over public networks.*** [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
the meaning of free (was Re: He3)
Free as in beer means that something doesn't cost any money. Free as in speech means that something has personal freedoms associated with. Linux is free as in beer and speech. That is, Linux doesn't cost any money and you have full access to the source code and can change it how you see fit. Commercial software costs money and has a license agreement associated with that limits how you can make use of it. Matt Liotta R337 Consulting LLC http://r337.com On May 6, 2004, at 9:48 AM, Thane Sherrington wrote: At 09:31 AM 5/6/2004 -0400, Matt Liotta wrote: The beta version(s) of the product will be freely available as in beer, but not speech. We do plan to sell a version of He3 in the future. What do the terms free as in beer and free as in speech mean? To me, free as in beer would be a scam - like all those posters in university that offered FREE BEER! and then when you read them, were about something completely different. T [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: the meaning of free (was Re: He3)
On Thursday 06 May 2004 14:58 pm, Matt Liotta wrote: Commercial software ... has a license So does GNU/Linux* - the GPL. This protects the freedoms (as in speech), while still allowing you to sell it. -- Tom Chiverton Advanced ColdFusion Programmer Tel: +44(0)1749 834997 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] BlueFinger Limited Underwood Business Park Wookey Hole Road, WELLS. BA5 1AF Tel: +44 (0)1749 834900 Fax: +44 (0)1749 834901 web: www.bluefinger.com Company Reg No: 4209395 Registered Office: 2 Temple Back East, Temple Quay, BRISTOL. BS1 6EG. *** This E-mail contains confidential information for the addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately. You should not use, disclose, distribute or copy this communication if received in error. No binding contract will result from this e-mail until such time as a written document is signed on behalf of the company. BlueFinger Limited cannot accept responsibility for the completeness or accuracy of this message as it has been transmitted over public networks.*** [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: He3
At 02:58 PM 5/6/2004 +0100, Thomas Chiverton wrote: On Thursday 06 May 2004 14:48 pm, Thane Sherrington wrote: What do the terms free as in beer and free as in speech mean? http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html Thanks Tom.I'd always wondered about them, but never asked. T [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: the meaning of free (was Re: He3)
So does GNU/Linux* - the GPL. This protects the freedoms (as in speech), while still allowing you to sell it. I stated specifically, that commercial software has a license that limits the use there of. The GPL is a license, but it doesn't really limit your use of GPLed software; it limits your ability to take away others' freedom by closing the source. -Matt [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: He3
closed or open beta? -adam -Original Message- From: Guy Rish [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 5, 2004 07:24 PM To: 'CF-Talk' Subject: He3 Hey everyone, Some of you have been working with Matt Liotta's Eclipse plugin for ColdFusion so we thought you'd find this of interest. Gestaltech (my company) and R337 Consulting (Matt's company) have formed a partnership (http://www.richpalette.com) for the construction of a new product, He3, a ColdFusion IDE based upon Eclipse.We're going to be making a beta release of the product at CFUN-04, the big east coast CF conference (http://www.cfconf.org/cfun-04/index.cfm). Sorry for the spam-ish update. rish Guy Rish [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gestaltech, Inc. be more... http://www.gestaltech.com [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: He3
Adam, We are current intending an open beta. rish -Original Message- From: Adrocknaphobia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 3:03 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: He3 closed or open beta? -adam -Original Message- From: Guy Rish [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 5, 2004 07:24 PM To: 'CF-Talk' Subject: He3 Hey everyone, Some of you have been working with Matt Liotta's Eclipse plugin for ColdFusion so we thought you'd find this of interest. Gestaltech (my company) and R337 Consulting (Matt's company) have formed a partnership (http://www.richpalette.com) for the construction of a new product, He3, a ColdFusion IDE based upon Eclipse.We're going to be making a beta release of the product at CFUN-04, the big east coast CF conference (http://www.cfconf.org/cfun-04/index.cfm). Sorry for the spam-ish update. rish Guy Rish [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gestaltech, Inc. be more... http://www.gestaltech.com [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: He3
All the attendees of CFUN-04 will receive a CD containing the first beta version of He3. Additionally, the beta will be available to the general public from our web site after the conference is over. Clearly, if you want to be one of the first people to use He3 then you should attend CFUN-04, which happens to also be the best CFML conference this year. Matt Liotta R337 Consulting LLC http://r337.com On May 5, 2004, at 4:02 PM, Adrocknaphobia wrote: closed or open beta? -adam -Original Message- From: Guy Rish [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 5, 2004 07:24 PM To: 'CF-Talk' Subject: He3 Hey everyone, Some of you have been working with Matt Liotta's Eclipse plugin for ColdFusion so we thought you'd find this of interest. Gestaltech (my company) and R337 Consulting (Matt's company) have formed a partnership (http://www.richpalette.com) for the construction of a new product, He3, a ColdFusion IDE based upon Eclipse. We're going to be making a beta release of the product at CFUN-04, the big east coast CF conference (http://www.cfconf.org/cfun-04/index.cfm). Sorry for the spam-ish update. rish Guy Rish [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gestaltech, Inc. be more... http://www.gestaltech.com [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: He3
I'd love to go Matt, but anybody around here who's been to my boss's place would understand why I could never go to a conference between 1 May and 31 October. (The webcams are showing are annual tree planting right now. Should have a timelapse vid up in the next half hour.) Cutter Matt Liotta wrote: All the attendees of CFUN-04 will receive a CD containing the first beta version of He3. Additionally, the beta will be available to the general public from our web site after the conference is over. Clearly, if you want to be one of the first people to use He3 then you should attend CFUN-04, which happens to also be the best CFML conference this year. Matt Liotta R337 Consulting LLC http://r337.com On May 5, 2004, at 4:02 PM, Adrocknaphobia wrote: closed or open beta? -adam -Original Message- From: Guy Rish [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 5, 2004 07:24 PM To: 'CF-Talk' Subject: He3 Hey everyone, Some of you have been working with Matt Liotta's Eclipse plugin for ColdFusion so we thought you'd find this of interest. Gestaltech (my company) and R337 Consulting (Matt's company) have formed a partnership (http://www.richpalette.com) for the construction of a new product, He3, a ColdFusion IDE based upon Eclipse.We're going to be making a beta release of the product at CFUN-04, the big east coast CF conference (http://www.cfconf.org/cfun-04/index.cfm). Sorry for the spam-ish update. rish Guy Rish [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gestaltech, Inc. be more... http://www.gestaltech.com [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
