RE: Is it any new question format in CCNP v2 exam?

[Jeff Wang]

Title: RE: Is it any new question format in CCNP v2 exam?






Raymond,


When I took the ACRC (aka CCNP v1), the questions on command fill-ins were blank, i.e. you'd have to memorise the CLI commands.  With Routing 2.0 (aka CCNP v2), you still get to type out the commands, but you get an exhibit with about 80 to 90 commands to choose from.  So in a sense, CCNP v2 is easier than v1 because you don't have to committ to memory all the IOS commands.  Passing score is also lower in v2.

Cheers & good luck!


Jeff Wang



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Subject: Is it any new question format in CCNP v2 exam?



As title


Thanks


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Cisco 4000 for sale....

[Minh Vu]

Title: Cisco 4000 for sale





Hello groups,


I have cisco 4000 with 3 modules which I used to hands-on my CCNP cert.  Now I need to sale it.  Here is short description:

- 1 ISDN BRI module (have 4 ports) 
- 1 Ethernet module (have 2 ports, Eth0 and Eth1, RJ45/DB15) 
- 1 Serial module (have 4 ports, S0 - S3, DB60) 
- 1 AUX port 
- 1 console port 
- 1 console cable 
- IOS version 12 
- 32MB RAM, and 8MB Flash 


If you want to buy, go to Auction @ Yahoo and bid from there.  Here is the link:


http://page.auctions.yahoo.com/auction/40104189


Thanks

RE: Serial Link alternatives - radio WAN

[Andrew Larkins]

Does this mean that we will still need a router to keep the segments
seperate??. A /30 mask for the WAN link.
Anyone got any sample configs for this??

Regards
Andrew

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From: Sites, Bob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 13 September 2000 13:43
To: Andrew Larkins
Subject: RE: Serial Link alternatives - radio WAN


You may want to look at the Cisco Aironet 340 wireless. It's line of site,
point to point advertised to be good up to about 18 miles. It hooks into an
ethernet interface and is a bridge so both ends would have to be part of the
same LAN. We are buying two to use between bldgs vice leasing T1 ckts. 

Bob Sites
CCNA

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Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 6:53 AM
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Subject: Serial Link alternatives - radio WAN



My client has a new site where they keep stealing the leased line cables.
The are implementing a Cisco 1601 with ISDN backup. Can the Cisco router
attach to a radio WAN device or is there another means.

All input is greatly appreciated

Andrew Larkins
BCom, CCNA
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Re: cisco switches

[John Kaberna]

Well last time I checked this was a study group.  And Cisco might care for
their tests.  So, it might be a good idea to know the difference.  Its not
that hard.  I believe 4000 and up run switch IOS and everything below that
is router type IOS.

John

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> Yes, but in the real world, I like Duck's attitude. Basically he's saying
> that he doesn't need to memorize which switch has IOS. He is not
> intimidated by any switch because they all basically do the same thing,
and
> he has learned enough configuration commands in both command sets to feel
> comfortable. I could see hiring such a person even if he did flunk the
> test! Just a thought
>
> Priscilla
>
> At 12:25 PM 9/13/00, Neil Schneider wrote:
> >Possibly your "who cares!" attitute and your 347 score are related?  Just
a
> >thought.
> >
> >
> >Neil
> >
> >
> >""Donald B Johnson Jr"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >030001c01db7$51db2170$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:030001c01db7$51db2170$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > who cares!!!  when you console, or telnet, or tenlet in you will find
out
> > > which command set you are using.
> > > If you know what a switch can do you should be allright.
> > > I just took the switching test and scored a 347 after six weeks of
study
> >'m
> > > not too depressed but I got to get back to reading.
> > > Duck
> > > >
> > > > > -Original Message-
> > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
Behalf Of
> > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 9:34 PM
> > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > Subject: Re: cisco switches
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > In a message dated 9/12/00 10:49:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > << hi all,
> > > > >
> > > > > Do all cisco switches run IOS , I know 1900 do , but what about
> > > > > the others?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Jason
>
>
> 
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Re: Formatting the Flash

[Casey Fahey]

I am not 100% sure what you are looking for, but if you want to create a 
single partition try 'partition 1'.  This will combine all of your flash 
into a single partition.

Otherwise, let me know what you are trying to accomplish.

HTH,

Casey


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>
>
>Hi all,
>How do i format my flash in my 2600 router?Do i have to boot the
>router in boot mode? What is the regiter values for booting up the router
>in boot prompt.
>
>Thanks in advance.
>
>Regards,
>Binod.
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Is it any new question format in CCNP v2 exam?

[Raymond Mak]

As title

Thanks

Regards,
Raymond

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Frame relay

[Krishna Shankar]

Hi can any one give me good url for frame relay 
material
 
thanks in adv

max no of connections for vty

[jason yee]

hi ,
I am a instructor currently delivering CCNA course.The
setup of the classroom consists of 2 routers but I
have got 24 students telnetting to the 2 routers . I
have problems for them telnetting to the routers
because the max no of connections for the telnet
sessions are 5 , my question is how can I increase the
no. of connections so as to accomodate all the
students without buying more routers.


thanks

suaveguru

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Re: SPF timers

[jenny . mcleod]

I don't think this is a valid argument.
I *think* that the LSA flooding process is unaffected by this parameter.  My
understanding is that the LSAs are still flooded straight away, but this
parameter determines how long before the router recalculates its own OSPF
routing table.
That means that the delay shouldn't be cumulative - the link state database on
each router gets updated regardless of the setting of the spf timers, but the
timers affect how fast the individual routers take note of the new information
in the database (so if several changes happen in quick succession, the router
only has to do the SPF calculation once).  If I've misunderstood any of this,
somebody please let me know.
I agree that you wouldn't want the spf timers to be significantly different, for
convergence reasons, but I can't see why a difference of a couple of seconds
would be a problem.  The hello timers etc have to match exactly, though, or
hello packets are dropped - OSPF won't function.

JMcL

-- Forwarded by Jenny Mcleod/NSO/CSDA on 15/09/2000 03:26 pm
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"Kristopher B. Climie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 15/09/2000 12:14:08 pm

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Subject:  Re: SPF timers



If the routers are not calculating their topology table at the same
interval, it would not take long for their tables to become completely
out-of-whack.  For instance, lets say you have 10 routers in your network,
and your spf-delay times vary by 5 seconds on each router -- not a long time
at all.  But by the time you get to the 10th router, the delay is off
50-seconds, and its convergence would be worse than RIPs!  The only way that
OPSF can be sure that the topology table is consistent among all routers is
that their timers match.  Remember, one of the main benefits of OSPF is that
all the routers converge at the same time when a change in topology occurs.
If router A converges, and Router B doesn't converge for another 10 seconds,
Router A cannot be sure of the validity of its own table.  OSPF depends on
every router having a valid view of the network, with itself as the root, to
have the most accurate information available to it to make a decision.

K

-
Kristopher B. Climie, CCNP, CCDP

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>
> At
http://www.cisco.com/cpress/cc/td/cpress/design/ospf/on0407.htm#xtocid163652
3
> (which is an extracted chapter from 'OSPF Network Design Solutions', by
Tom
> Thomas), there is a bit that states...
>
> "Cisco's OSPF implementation enables you to alter certain
interface-specific
> OSPF parameters, as needed. You are not required to alter any of these
> parameters, but some interface parameters must be consistent across all
routers
> in an attached network. Those are the parameters set by the following
commands:
>
> ip ospf hello-interval
> ip ospf dead-interval
> ip ospf authentication-key
> timers spf spf-delay spf-holdtime
>
> Therefore, be sure that if you do configure any of these parameters, the
> configurations for all routers on your network have compatible values. "
>
> The first three I can understand, and I don't have a problem with these
> parameters having to match on all routers on the network.  But I can't see
why
> the spf timers should have to match.  And in any case, that one's not an
> interface-specific parameter.
>
> For those who haven't used this command before, 'spf-delay' is the delay
time,
> in seconds, between when OSPF receives a topology change and when it
starts a
> SPF calculation.  'spf-holdtime' is the minimum time, in seconds, between
two
> consecutive SPF calculations.  The command reference on CCO doesn't
mention that
> the spf timers have to match on all routers.  I can see that if they are
> mismatched by too much, it will take longer for routers to converge to a
> consistent view of the network, but would it cause any other problems?
>
> I've had a look at RFC 2328, and am no wiser, although I will happily
admit I
> did not read all 240 pages.  Why would one router care how long another
router
> has waited between SPF calculations?  Or is this an error in the
book/website -
> can they in fact be different everywhere (obviously it's simpler if
they're the
> same, but does it do nasty things to OSPF if they're not)?
>
> JMcL
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RE: Anyone uses ODR in large scale?

[Kent]

Hi all,

Kind of curious whether anyone has implemented ODR on
a large scale network?
We have client has about 20-30 hub sites, each of them
may have 50-60 sites as their remotes, I wonder
whether I can use the ODR among the remotes and apply
OSPF among the hubs. Just not sure whether this will
bring disadvantages? I never used it at this scale
before and never heared somebody did it.
We will use ISDN as backup to the regional hubs.
Conventional way is design an OSPF network, but just
wnat to know how you guys deal with this kind of
things.

Any input is appreciated.

Kent

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Formatting the Flash

[Mail List for cisco routers]

Hi all,
   How do i format my flash in my 2600 router?Do i have to boot the
router in boot mode? What is the regiter values for booting up the router
in boot prompt.

Thanks in advance.

Regards,
Binod.

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Two Gigabit-Ethernet ports on a 7507

[siegfried . scheld]

Hello Group,

is it possible and does it work, whenn I place two Gigabit-Ethernet ports, one
Fast-Etjernet port and one OC3 port in a 7507 router?

THX,

Siggi


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Re: Sprint wire management class

[Casey Fahey]

The worst was a Novell 5.1 updater I got lassoed into.  One of the students 
ended up taking over since the instructor didn't seem to get PKI...  I 
actually learned a great deal during that hour...!

Cheers,

Casey

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>Subject: Sprint wire management class
>Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 20:40:59 -0500
>
>I was forced into taking Sprint's wire management class, which gives me a
>certification that enables my company to provide lifetime warranty on all
>cabling jobs we do using Sprints products.
>
>So the instructor proceeds to talk a bit about networking, and refers to
>Toke Ring as 802.4.  802.4 Is token passing using a bus topology, yet he
>refered to 802.4 as token passing in a ring.  Anybody else take classes 
>from
>"leading vendors of network equipment" and notice their instructors have
>some crossed wires?  This kind of concerns me...
>
>
>Richard A. Holland
>Voice/Data Integrator
>Telec, Inc.
>http://www.telecinc.com
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>CCDA,CCNP,MCSE,CSE
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Dial on Demand Routing

[Chris C. Burton]

I have been charged with making our current network redundant using our
existing technologies.  Our current setup is two corporate offices with a
full T1 to the internet in each office along with multiple Frame-relay
connections to remote branch offices and between the two corporate offices.
I know it is possible to use DDR to create a redundant link in case one link
fails, but is it possible to create a redundant link via IPsec/L2TP over the
internet using one of our Internet T1 connections to the other T1 in case of
frame-relay link failure, if this is possible is there a good book/website
or other resource with information on this topic.

Chris

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Re: Becoming a Designer

[Low How Ming]

I'm currently pursuing the CCDP track and after that the Design CCIE, which
I feel is most relevant in my field of network
consulting.  I have found the Top Down Network Design book to be relevant
and extremely useful; I would like to seek
advice on other books apart from those recommended for the Design CCIE track
that I should use to prepare for the
Design CCIE written exam.

I would also like feedback on the Design CCIE track itself and its
positioning in the CCIE market.  Is it for network design
architects/professionals per se or is it more of a Multiservice
certification (in the areas of voice/data integration (AVVID)) etc.

regards,
Ming.


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> Thanks for the recommendation of my book. I appreciate it very much.
>
> The other books you mention were edited by Diane Teare and Matthew
Birkner.
> They were mostly written by the course developers at Cisco, including
> myself. Cisco gave the editors our work and they ported it to book format.
> (I used to work at Cisco.) Thanks for the opportunity to set the record
> straight.
>
> Priscilla
>
> At 09:38 PM 9/14/00, Jim Yam wrote:
> >Top Down Network Design is one of the best books. I recommend Desinging
> >Cisco Networks
> >by Diane Teare and Cisco Intrnetwork Design by Matthew Birkner too. There
> >are some CCIE
> >books like Advanced IP Network Design by Retana and etc. are excellent. I
am
> >a CCDP now,
> >but, I still read these books from time to time to enhance and refresh my
> >skill sand memory.
> >I learned lot going thru this CCDP journey and I know there is still a
long
> >way for me to explore.
> >I am very excited about it.
> >
> >Enjoy you journey and take care.
> >
> >Jim
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> > > I am preparing for my last CCNP exam, Support 2.0. After that I am
going
> >to
> > > go for the CCDA and CCDP. I dont want to just pass the tests, I want
to
> > > learn how to design networks. Currently, I am implementing networks
that
> > > someone else designed. I want to make the leap from implementer to
> >designer
> > > and eventually possible go for CCIE Design. I have heard great things
> >about
> > > the book Top Down Network Design (Cisco Press) by Priscilla
Oppenheimer.
> > > Considering I have virtually no experience with design, will this book
> >help
> > > me and what other books do you suggest to help me achieve this goal?
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Re: foundation 2.0

[Jim Yam]

Kevin,

I am very positive that 640-509 has gone live.
You may call 1800829NETS to confirm it.

Jim

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> Somebody mentioned that 640-509 had gone live but Cisco's site still has
it
> in beta.
>
> I haven't phoned to check it out though.  I am also interested as that
exam
> would kill all my upgrade birds with one stone to get to CCNP/CCDP 2.0
>
> Kevin Wigle
>
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>
> > Hi All ,
> >
> >
> > Is there anyone here who passed at foundation 2.0  
> > Any comments 
> >
> > best regards
> >
> > [[ ]]
> >
> >
> > Armando
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Re: Layer 2 Addressing

[Neil Desai]

If you  look at RFC 2469 you can see that no matter how the bits are stored
in memory they go on the wire the same way. It is impossible to distinguish
a canonical formatted message from a non-canonical formatted message. Here
is the excerpt:


   Canonical form (also known as "LSB format" and "Ethernet format") is
   the name given to the format of a LAN adapter address as it should be
   presented to the user according to the 802 LAN standard.  It is best
   defined as how the bit order of an adapter address on the LAN media
   maps to the bit order of an adapter address in memory: The first bit
   of each byte that appears on the LAN maps to the least significant
   (i.e., right-most) bit of each byte in memory (the figure below
   illustrates this).  This puts the group address indicator (i.e., the
   bit that defines whether an address is unicast or multicast) in the
   least significant bit of the first byte.  Ethernet and 802.3 hardware
   behave consistently with this definition.

   Unfortunately, Token Ring (and some FDDI) hardware does not behave
   consistently with this definition; it maps the first bit of each byte
   of the adapter address to the most significant (i.e., left-most) bit
   of each byte in memory, which puts the group address indicator in the
   most significant bit of the first byte.  This mapping is variously
   called "MSB format", "IBM format", "Token-Ring format", and "non-
   canonical form".  The figure below illustrates the difference between
   canonical and non-canonical form using the canonical form address
   12-34-56-78-9A-BC as an example:

   In memory,  12   34   56   78   9A   BC
   canonical:   00010010 00110100 01010110 0000 10011010 1000

1st bit appearing on LAN (group address indicator)
|
   On LAN:  01001000 00101100 01101010 0000 01011001 0001

   In memory,
   MSB format:  01001000 00101100 01101010 0000 01011001 0001
   48   2C   6A   1E   59   3D



Notice that on the LAN they look exactly the same.
Neil

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> Roosevelt Giles, CCIE All-in-one P210-212.  In translational bridging, the
> Translation engine converts the format from Little-endian to big-endian.
> The multicast bit and the U/l bit are both part of the mac-address, and
are
> converted with the address, with no modification other than the Bit
> re-ordering.
>
> After Bit translation, the Frame length, Access Control, Routing
> Information... fields are added to the fram, and it is passed to the
Bridge
> module.
>
>
> Original Message Follows
> From: "Neil Desai" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: "Neil Desai" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Layer 2 Addressing
> Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 16:00:56 -0400
>
> I have asked this question once before and had little luck in finding the
> answers. This time I have given a more explination and an example.
> I have a problem in understanding the issues concerning canonical vs.
> non-canonical addressing. I have read the archives of GroupStudy.com (both
> CCIE and regular mailing lists), RFC 2469, Optimized.com, Interconnections
> (Second Edition), many Cisco Press Books. I have been to many college
sites
> in reference to Manchester encoding. I have searched on CCO, and the
> Internet. I have had discussions with my peers and have now thoroughly
> confused them. In the scheme of things I guess it does not matter on why
but
> that it just happens and that we need to be aware of the issues and how to
> solve them. Unfortunately I can't leave it at that.
>
> In "Interconnections Second Edition" pages 32-33 she states:
>
> "With 802.3 and 802.4, the least significant bit is transmitted first;
with
> 802.5 (and FDDI), the most significant bit is transmitted first. This
would
> not be an issue (adapters on the receiver and transmitter for a particular
> LAN would presumably be symmetric, and the order of the transmission would
> be irrelevant) except that the group bit in addresses was defined not as
> "the most significant bit" or "the lease significant bit" but rather as
"the
> first bit on the wire." Thus, an address that was a group address on
802.3
> would not necessarily look like a group address when transmitted on  802.5
> because a different bit would be transmitted first.
> The canonical format of address assumes least-significant-bit-order-first
> order. Therefore, the address a2-41-59-31-51 is not a group address
because
> the least significant bit of the first octet (a2, which equals 10100010
> binary) is 0.
> When address are stored for transmission onto 802.5 or FDDI, which
transmit
> the most significant bit first, they must be stored in a different format.
>   Figure 2.9 shows the address a2-41-42-59-31-51 as stored for
transmission
> least significant bit first.
>
> 10100010   0101   0110   0101100

RE: line down

[Yee, Jason]

thanks for all your support 

cheers!!!

Jason

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To: Yee, Jason; 'Plantier, William'; Felice Russell
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Subject: RE: line down


Thats great to hear Jason!  I am glad that the your hard work paid off!

> -Original Message-
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> Yee, Jason
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> Subject: RE: line down
>
>
> thanks for all your kindness and help , I have finally isolated is a modem
> problem
>
> Jason
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Plantier, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
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>
>
>
> You might want to check your clocking also.
>
> > -Original Message-
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> >
> > Jason -
> > Have you checked the status of DTR (etc) under the show
> interface seril #
> > command? If you are in fact getting signel- you want to check to see if
> > the
> > lmi are communicating. Basically this should happen if the switch and
> > router
> > are communicating. If they are not - verify you are using the
> correct lmi
> > setting onthe interface withthe carrier. If that checks out - a
> reload is
> > a
> > good idea. If fundamental changes (to say a dlci) are made many
> times the
> > interface does not responce properly unless it is either shut down and
> > restarted or the router reloaded...
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RE: line down

[William E Gragido]

Thats great to hear Jason!  I am glad that the your hard work paid off!

> -Original Message-
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> Yee, Jason
> Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2000 8:01 PM
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>
>
> thanks for all your kindness and help , I have finally isolated is a modem
> problem
>
> Jason
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Plantier, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2000 10:06 PM
> To: Felice Russell; Yee, Jason
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>
>
>
> You might want to check your clocking also.
>
> > -Original Message-
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> > Sent:   Thursday, September 14, 2000 8:51 AM
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> > Subject:line down
> >
> > Jason -
> > Have you checked the status of DTR (etc) under the show
> interface seril #
> > command? If you are in fact getting signel- you want to check to see if
> > the
> > lmi are communicating. Basically this should happen if the switch and
> > router
> > are communicating. If they are not - verify you are using the
> correct lmi
> > setting onthe interface withthe carrier. If that checks out - a
> reload is
> > a
> > good idea. If fundamental changes (to say a dlci) are made many
> times the
> > interface does not responce properly unless it is either shut down and
> > restarted or the router reloaded...
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Re: Becoming a Designer

[Priscilla Oppenheimer]

Thanks for the recommendation of my book. I appreciate it very much.

The other books you mention were edited by Diane Teare and Matthew Birkner. 
They were mostly written by the course developers at Cisco, including 
myself. Cisco gave the editors our work and they ported it to book format. 
(I used to work at Cisco.) Thanks for the opportunity to set the record 
straight.

Priscilla

At 09:38 PM 9/14/00, Jim Yam wrote:
>Top Down Network Design is one of the best books. I recommend Desinging
>Cisco Networks
>by Diane Teare and Cisco Intrnetwork Design by Matthew Birkner too. There
>are some CCIE
>books like Advanced IP Network Design by Retana and etc. are excellent. I am
>a CCDP now,
>but, I still read these books from time to time to enhance and refresh my
>skill sand memory.
>I learned lot going thru this CCDP journey and I know there is still a long
>way for me to explore.
>I am very excited about it.
>
>Enjoy you journey and take care.
>
>Jim
>
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> > go for the CCDA and CCDP. I dont want to just pass the tests, I want to
> > learn how to design networks. Currently, I am implementing networks that
> > someone else designed. I want to make the leap from implementer to
>designer
> > and eventually possible go for CCIE Design. I have heard great things
>about
> > the book Top Down Network Design (Cisco Press) by Priscilla Oppenheimer.
> > Considering I have virtually no experience with design, will this book
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> > me and what other books do you suggest to help me achieve this goal?
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RE: RE: Monitoring WAN link

[im_lcai_cn]

Dear all,
   I want to run on NT. Can MRTG has the function I need? I have never heard Net Saint 
before, Which company produce this software?


thanks
cai, land

What platform?  We use Net Saint and MRTG for these functions on Linux
 >boxes.
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 >Dear all,
 >
 >  I want to choose a software used to monitor WAN link, can you kindly
 >recommend the software I need to use, I want to have the following function,
 > 1. Every time a WAN link down, he can email me or page me
 > 2. I can know the real-time statistics about every protocol percentage and
 >every application percentage. And where most of the traffic are coming from?
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Re: foundation 2.0

[Kevin Wigle]

Somebody mentioned that 640-509 had gone live but Cisco's site still has it
in beta.

I haven't phoned to check it out though.  I am also interested as that exam
would kill all my upgrade birds with one stone to get to CCNP/CCDP 2.0

Kevin Wigle

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> Hi All ,
>
>
> Is there anyone here who passed at foundation 2.0  
> Any comments 
>
> best regards
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>
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Re: Networkstudyguides.com

[Patrick Bass]

don't waste your money.  cramsession is just as good, and it's free.

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Re: Becoming a Designer

[Jim Yam]

Top Down Network Design is one of the best books. I recommend Desinging
Cisco Networks
by Diane Teare and Cisco Intrnetwork Design by Matthew Birkner too. There
are some CCIE
books like Advanced IP Network Design by Retana and etc. are excellent. I am
a CCDP now,
but, I still read these books from time to time to enhance and refresh my
skill sand memory.
I learned lot going thru this CCDP journey and I know there is still a long
way for me to explore.
I am very excited about it.

Enjoy you journey and take care.

Jim

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> I am preparing for my last CCNP exam, Support 2.0. After that I am going
to
> go for the CCDA and CCDP. I dont want to just pass the tests, I want to
> learn how to design networks. Currently, I am implementing networks that
> someone else designed. I want to make the leap from implementer to
designer
> and eventually possible go for CCIE Design. I have heard great things
about
> the book Top Down Network Design (Cisco Press) by Priscilla Oppenheimer.
> Considering I have virtually no experience with design, will this book
help
> me and what other books do you suggest to help me achieve this goal?
>
> Bruce
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Re: Help about a technical interview I had PLEASE!

[Kristopher B. Climie]

I seem to be having a problem getting my posts to go through.  My apologies
if this shows up multiple times.
K
---

1.  The question is ambiguous.  If it is asking what is the Token Frame
size, the answer is 3-bytes.  (Starting Delimiter, 1-byte, Access Control,
1-byte, and End Delimeter, 1-byte).  You are right in your answer, the Frame
size in TR is variable, I would have answered it the same way.

2.  The average MTU for Token is 4,464, however, the data portion can
contain up to 17,800 bytes, for a MAXIMUM MTU (sorry for the redundant
redundancy) is 17,997.  Cisco supports MTUs of 68-17,997 bytes.  The MTU for
FDDI is 4,500.

3. Routing decision:
1) Most specific route
2) Administrative Distance

   For instance, you might have a Routing table that says:

Gateway of last resort not set

R39.0.0.0/8 [120/1] via 172.16.1.20, FastEthernet0/0
R39.0.1.0/24 [120/1] via 172.16.1.19, FastEthernet0/0
C   172.16.0.0 is directly connected, FastEthernet0/0

If you send a packet to 39.0.1.33, it is going to use 172.16.1.19, and not
172.16.1.20 because it is the most specific route.  If the route through
172.16.1.19 was not in there, and there was both an EIGRP learned route, and
the RIP route shown to 39.0.1.0, the EIGRP route would be used.  Why?
Because its route has a lower Administrative Distance.

Remember, the router only places multiple equal-cost routes in the table, or
the single route with the lowest Administrative Distance.  Metrics are only
used in path selection within  a specific routing process, not for final
path selection.  That is why we all had to learn iBgp = 200, RIP=120,
OSPF=110, IGRP=100, EIGRP=90, eBgp=20, etc.  Each routing process will
present its BEST route (based on the metrics available to it) for final path
selection.  That final path is chosen from the type of route it is.

K

-
Kristopher B. Climie, CCNP, CCDP

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> I had technical with a CCIE interview yesterday, and
> I'm not really sure were to go with this.
>
> He asked me a lot of pretty high level questions and
> some not so high level, the problem is, I feel some of
> the answers he wanted were wrong.  I'm going to post
> the questions, the answers I gave, and the answers he
> claimed to be correct.  If I'm wrong on these, I'd
> like to know.  If I'm right, how would you deal with
> this kind of thing?
>
> 1) What is the size of a token ring frame?
> My answer: Token ring has a variable frame size.
> His answer: 3 bytes..
>
> Isn't that the size of the Token frame?
>
> 2) What the MTU of a token ring frame?  (Isn't this
> about the same question as #1?)
> My answer: slightly larger that 16K (I couldn't
> remember the exact number)
> His answer: about 4470 bytes .
>
> Ahh... what?  He claimed I was thinking about
> FDDI.g  Ah. Who's thinking about what?
>
> 3) What is the decision making process involved when a
> packet enters a router?  What three criteria are used
> to make this decision?
>My answer:  It depends. Is this the first
> packet with this destination to arrive at this router?
>  What switching mode is the router configured for.
>
>His answer:  Forget about that stuff. how does
> it determine which route to use.
>
>My answer:  longest match in the routing table
>
>His answer:  What if multiple routes exist in
> the table.
>
>My answer:  It depends.
>
>Ok...I'm gonna cut to the chase. The answer he
> wanted was longest match, Administrative distance,
> then metric.  Ahh.. I'm pretty sure is wrong.   The
> router looks at AD and Metrics long before the packet
> enters the router.  The router uses AD and metric to
> populate the routing table, and then longest match
> from the routing table to make the decision once the
> packet actually enters the router.  Comparing AD and
> metric on every known route every time would place
> unnecessary burden on the CPU.  Compare it once, make
> the decision, and enter it in the RIT.  Even in the
> case of IGRP/EIGRP with variance, the next eligible
> route is determined before the packet enters the
> router.
>
>   Maybe I should have picked up on this stuff when
> the recruiter asked me with BGP was a DV or LS based
> routing protocol.  My answer. ahh.neither, it's path
> vector.
>
> I'm basically sending this out to get thoughts, and
> hopefully Howard, Priscilla or someone can tell me
> wether I'm off technically or not.
>
>
> THANKS!
>
> -john
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Sprint wire management class

[Richard A. Holland]

I was forced into taking Sprint's wire management class, which gives me a
certification that enables my company to provide lifetime warranty on all
cabling jobs we do using Sprints products.

So the instructor proceeds to talk a bit about networking, and refers to
Toke Ring as 802.4.  802.4 Is token passing using a bus topology, yet he
refered to 802.4 as token passing in a ring.  Anybody else take classes from
"leading vendors of network equipment" and notice their instructors have
some crossed wires?  This kind of concerns me...


Richard A. Holland
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Re: SPF timers

[Kristopher B. Climie]

If the routers are not calculating their topology table at the same
interval, it would not take long for their tables to become completely
out-of-whack.  For instance, lets say you have 10 routers in your network,
and your spf-delay times vary by 5 seconds on each router -- not a long time
at all.  But by the time you get to the 10th router, the delay is off
50-seconds, and its convergence would be worse than RIPs!  The only way that
OPSF can be sure that the topology table is consistent among all routers is
that their timers match.  Remember, one of the main benefits of OSPF is that
all the routers converge at the same time when a change in topology occurs.
If router A converges, and Router B doesn't converge for another 10 seconds,
Router A cannot be sure of the validity of its own table.  OSPF depends on
every router having a valid view of the network, with itself as the root, to
have the most accurate information available to it to make a decision.

K

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>
> At
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3
> (which is an extracted chapter from 'OSPF Network Design Solutions', by
Tom
> Thomas), there is a bit that states...
>
> "Cisco's OSPF implementation enables you to alter certain
interface-specific
> OSPF parameters, as needed. You are not required to alter any of these
> parameters, but some interface parameters must be consistent across all
routers
> in an attached network. Those are the parameters set by the following
commands:
>
> ip ospf hello-interval
> ip ospf dead-interval
> ip ospf authentication-key
> timers spf spf-delay spf-holdtime
>
> Therefore, be sure that if you do configure any of these parameters, the
> configurations for all routers on your network have compatible values. "
>
> The first three I can understand, and I don't have a problem with these
> parameters having to match on all routers on the network.  But I can't see
why
> the spf timers should have to match.  And in any case, that one's not an
> interface-specific parameter.
>
> For those who haven't used this command before, 'spf-delay' is the delay
time,
> in seconds, between when OSPF receives a topology change and when it
starts a
> SPF calculation.  'spf-holdtime' is the minimum time, in seconds, between
two
> consecutive SPF calculations.  The command reference on CCO doesn't
mention that
> the spf timers have to match on all routers.  I can see that if they are
> mismatched by too much, it will take longer for routers to converge to a
> consistent view of the network, but would it cause any other problems?
>
> I've had a look at RFC 2328, and am no wiser, although I will happily
admit I
> did not read all 240 pages.  Why would one router care how long another
router
> has waited between SPF calculations?  Or is this an error in the
book/website -
> can they in fact be different everywhere (obviously it's simpler if
they're the
> same, but does it do nasty things to OSPF if they're not)?
>
> JMcL
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Re: line protocol down

[Richard A. Holland]

Plenty of ego being thrown around this list lately

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-Original Message-
From: Templecombe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Newsgroups: groupstudy.cisco
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thursday, September 14, 2000 8:18 PM
Subject: Re: line protocol down


>What a cool guy!
>
>""Feliz, Edgar"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>A1951EBFDB75D31188E200805F6FEE71B7FB26@SNYC1NT02">news:A1951EBFDB75D31188E200805F6FEE71B7FB26@SNYC1NT02...
>> I do not think I owe him an apology, and I have the right to speak my
>mind.
>> Follow your own advice and ignore the message if you do not like it, and
>> keep your trap shut.
>>
>> EF
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: CNN [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 6:09 PM
>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Subject: Re: line protocol down
>>
>>
>> Edgar,
>>
>> Don't you see everybody here is trying to help? That's what the purpose
of
>> this group, not only people ask questions, but we all watch and learn
from
>> them.
>>
>> I think you own an apology to Jason. You can always ignore the messages
if
>> you do not like it and keep your mouth shut.
>>
>>
>>
>> ""Feliz, Edgar"" <   [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote in message  news:A1951EBFDB75D31188E200805F6FEE71B7FACF@SNYC1NT02>
>> A1951EBFDB75D31188E200805F6FEE71B7FACF@SNYC1NT02">news:A1951EBFDB75D31188E200805F6FEE71B7FACF@SNYC1NT02...
>> > Jason,
>> >
>> > it is OK not to understand something , and ask questions, but you have
>no
>> > clue, and expect others who are not getting paid to do YOUR job to do
it
>> for
>> > you. Why should we help you fix the problems YOU are getting paid to
>fix.
>> > Get some training, and study, help yourself. If you want my help the
>price
>> > is $100.00 per hour at a minimum.
>> >
>> > My .02
>> >
>> > EF
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: Yee, Jason [  
>mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>> > Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 1:56 AM
>> > To: cisco@groupstudy. com (E-mail)
>> > Subject: line protocol down
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > hi ,
>> >
>> > I have problems with my frame-relay serial link attatched is the router
>> > configuration
>> >
>> > physical layer confirmed is ok as carrier is up but my serial interface
>> > still showing interface up line protocol down
>> >
>> > Any inputs will be greatly appreciated
>> >
>> >
>> > thanks
>> >
>> > Jason
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Re: SPF timers

[Richard A. Holland]

It could be that the author wants to implant "keep timer values consistent
across your network or die a horrible death" into the reader's head.  So he
lists these timers.  Maybe OSPF wants even the most trivial timers to match.
I don't recall these timers you speak of being in the hello packets, so the
routers will form adjacencies even if these timers don't match.  I don't see
why these timers must match either, so im going to say the author just made
that assumption, and didn't want to confuse readers by saying "match these
timers up, and you dont have to worry about these timers", rather "keep all
timers consistent, and you'll be fine.



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Telec, Inc.
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thursday, September 14, 2000 8:04 PM
Subject: SPF timers


>
>
>At
http://www.cisco.com/cpress/cc/td/cpress/design/ospf/on0407.htm#xtocid163652
3
>(which is an extracted chapter from 'OSPF Network Design Solutions', by Tom
>Thomas), there is a bit that states...
>
>"Cisco's OSPF implementation enables you to alter certain
interface-specific
>OSPF parameters, as needed. You are not required to alter any of these
>parameters, but some interface parameters must be consistent across all
routers
>in an attached network. Those are the parameters set by the following
commands:
>
>ip ospf hello-interval
>ip ospf dead-interval
>ip ospf authentication-key
>timers spf spf-delay spf-holdtime
>
>Therefore, be sure that if you do configure any of these parameters, the
>configurations for all routers on your network have compatible values. "
>
>The first three I can understand, and I don't have a problem with these
>parameters having to match on all routers on the network.  But I can't see
why
>the spf timers should have to match.  And in any case, that one's not an
>interface-specific parameter.
>
>For those who haven't used this command before, 'spf-delay' is the delay
time,
>in seconds, between when OSPF receives a topology change and when it starts
a
>SPF calculation.  'spf-holdtime' is the minimum time, in seconds, between
two
>consecutive SPF calculations.  The command reference on CCO doesn't mention
that
>the spf timers have to match on all routers.  I can see that if they are
>mismatched by too much, it will take longer for routers to converge to a
>consistent view of the network, but would it cause any other problems?
>
>I've had a look at RFC 2328, and am no wiser, although I will happily admit
I
>did not read all 240 pages.  Why would one router care how long another
router
>has waited between SPF calculations?  Or is this an error in the
book/website -
>can they in fact be different everywhere (obviously it's simpler if they're
the
>same, but does it do nasty things to OSPF if they're not)?
>
>JMcL
>
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Re: Help about a technical interview I had PLEASE!

[Erick B.]

Comments inline.. stuff snipped.

--- John Barnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 2)What the MTU of a token ring frame? 
> His answer: about 4470 bytes .

He's right... MTU is Max Transfer Unit which can be
adjusted but the default is around 4470 for Token Ring
and Ethernet is 1500 (Cisco default), 1600 (BayRS
default). Ethernet frame is 1518 bytes. 

> Ahh….. what?  He claimed I was thinking about
> FDDI…g  Ah… Who’s thinking about what?

FDDI is similar to Token Ring. Don't have the #s off
the top of my head at moment (been a long day/week).

> 3)What is the decision making process involved when
> a
> packet enters a router?  What three criteria are
> used
> to make this decision?
>My answer:  It depends. Is this the first
> packet with this destination to arrive at this
> router?
>  What switching mode is the router configured for.

Switching mode is router-specific and part of the
forwarding method... so... I wouldn't even think about
switching/forwarding methods until after the stuff
he's after is answered , then maybe mention it as a
plus. 

One of the three things looked at is the destination
address, else it doesn't know where to forward it.

E

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RE: line down

[Yee, Jason]

thanks for all your kindness and help , I have finally isolated is a modem
problem

Jason

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Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2000 10:06 PM
To: Felice Russell; Yee, Jason
Cc: Cisco Groupstudy
Subject: RE: line down



You might want to check your clocking also.

> -Original Message-
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> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> Subject:  line down
> 
> Jason -
> Have you checked the status of DTR (etc) under the show interface seril #
> command? If you are in fact getting signel- you want to check to see if
> the
> lmi are communicating. Basically this should happen if the switch and
> router
> are communicating. If they are not - verify you are using the correct lmi
> setting onthe interface withthe carrier. If that checks out - a reload is
> a
> good idea. If fundamental changes (to say a dlci) are made many times the
> interface does not responce properly unless it is either shut down and
> restarted or the router reloaded...
> Good Luck,
> Felice
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Re: line protocol down

[Templecombe]

What a cool guy!

""Feliz, Edgar"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> I do not think I owe him an apology, and I have the right to speak my
mind.
> Follow your own advice and ignore the message if you do not like it, and
> keep your trap shut.
>
> EF
>
> -Original Message-
> From: CNN [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 6:09 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: line protocol down
>
>
> Edgar,
>
> Don't you see everybody here is trying to help? That's what the purpose of
> this group, not only people ask questions, but we all watch and learn from
> them.
>
> I think you own an apology to Jason. You can always ignore the messages if
> you do not like it and keep your mouth shut.
>
>
>
> ""Feliz, Edgar"" <   [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote in message  news:A1951EBFDB75D31188E200805F6FEE71B7FACF@SNYC1NT02>
> A1951EBFDB75D31188E200805F6FEE71B7FACF@SNYC1NT02">news:A1951EBFDB75D31188E200805F6FEE71B7FACF@SNYC1NT02...
> > Jason,
> >
> > it is OK not to understand something , and ask questions, but you have
no
> > clue, and expect others who are not getting paid to do YOUR job to do it
> for
> > you. Why should we help you fix the problems YOU are getting paid to
fix.
> > Get some training, and study, help yourself. If you want my help the
price
> > is $100.00 per hour at a minimum.
> >
> > My .02
> >
> > EF
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Yee, Jason [  
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 1:56 AM
> > To: cisco@groupstudy. com (E-mail)
> > Subject: line protocol down
> >
> >
> >
> > hi ,
> >
> > I have problems with my frame-relay serial link attatched is the router
> > configuration
> >
> > physical layer confirmed is ok as carrier is up but my serial interface
> > still showing interface up line protocol down
> >
> > Any inputs will be greatly appreciated
> >
> >
> > thanks
> >
> > Jason
> >
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SPF timers

[jenny . mcleod]

At http://www.cisco.com/cpress/cc/td/cpress/design/ospf/on0407.htm#xtocid1636523
(which is an extracted chapter from 'OSPF Network Design Solutions', by Tom
Thomas), there is a bit that states...

"Cisco's OSPF implementation enables you to alter certain interface-specific
OSPF parameters, as needed. You are not required to alter any of these
parameters, but some interface parameters must be consistent across all routers
in an attached network. Those are the parameters set by the following commands:

ip ospf hello-interval
ip ospf dead-interval
ip ospf authentication-key
timers spf spf-delay spf-holdtime

Therefore, be sure that if you do configure any of these parameters, the
configurations for all routers on your network have compatible values. "

The first three I can understand, and I don't have a problem with these
parameters having to match on all routers on the network.  But I can't see why
the spf timers should have to match.  And in any case, that one's not an
interface-specific parameter.

For those who haven't used this command before, 'spf-delay' is the delay time,
in seconds, between when OSPF receives a topology change and when it starts a
SPF calculation.  'spf-holdtime' is the minimum time, in seconds, between two
consecutive SPF calculations.  The command reference on CCO doesn't mention that
the spf timers have to match on all routers.  I can see that if they are
mismatched by too much, it will take longer for routers to converge to a
consistent view of the network, but would it cause any other problems?

I've had a look at RFC 2328, and am no wiser, although I will happily admit I
did not read all 240 pages.  Why would one router care how long another router
has waited between SPF calculations?  Or is this an error in the book/website -
can they in fact be different everywhere (obviously it's simpler if they're the
same, but does it do nasty things to OSPF if they're not)?

JMcL


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[Armando Santana]

Hi All ,


Is there anyone here who passed at foundation 2.0  
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MCNS Managing Cisco Network Security

[A.Strobel]

Dear All,
I am planning to take the MCNS test in the coming month.

I have the Beachfront ( www.bfq.com) for MCNS.

I would like to purchase a second test/drill
simulator for MCNS..  Does anyone know (recommend)
any other testing tools??

Thanks in advance.

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Re: Help about a technical interview I had PLEASE!

[Bob & Karen Timmons]

See Inline:

> 1) What is the size of a token ring frame?
> My answer: Token ring has a variable frame size. 
> His answer: 3 bytes..  
> 
> Isn't that the size of the Token frame?

There are 3 Token Frame Fields
 - Start Delimiter
 - Access-Control Byte
 - End Delimiter

http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/cisintwk/ito_doc/tokenrng.htm

(Watch the word wrap)


> 
> 2) What the MTU of a token ring frame?  (Isn't this
> about the same question as #1?)
> My answer: slightly larger that 16K (I couldn't
> remember the exact number)
> His answer: about 4470 bytes .
> 
> Ahh... what?  He claimed I was thinking about
> FDDI.g  Ah. Who's thinking about what?

That is variable, but check here:
http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/482/11.html


 
> 3) What is the decision making process involved when a
> packet enters a router?  What three criteria are used
> to make this decision?
>My answer:  It depends. Is this the first
> packet with this destination to arrive at this router?
>  What switching mode is the router configured for.
> 
>His answer:  Forget about that stuff. how does
> it determine which route to use.

Hang on here... Did we go from 1 question (what is the decision
making process...) to another question (how does it determine
which route to use)?

> 
>My answer:  longest match in the routing table

Good answer

> 
>His answer:  What if multiple routes exist in
> the table.

Ouch

> 
>My answer:  It depends.
> 
>Ok...I'm gonna cut to the chase. The answer he
> wanted was longest match, Administrative distance,
> then metric.  Ahh.. I'm pretty sure is wrong.   The
> router looks at AD and Metrics long before the packet
> enters the router.  The router uses AD and metric to
> populate the routing table, and then longest match
> from the routing table to make the decision once the
> packet actually enters the router.  Comparing AD and
> metric on every known route every time would place
> unnecessary burden on the CPU.  Compare it once, make
> the decision, and enter it in the RIT.  Even in the
> case of IGRP/EIGRP with variance, the next eligible
> route is determined before the packet enters the
> router.  
> 

Well, that's kind of a crappy question, IMHO.  Maybe he was just
trying to get an idea of your thought process.

Consider it a learning experience.  

btw.  How much T/R does this guy use/run into?  He sounds like
the CCIE written.

Bob

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Re: Help about a technical interview I had PLEASE!

[Priscilla Oppenheimer]

Don't go work for that guy! &;-) See more below:

At 03:09 PM 9/14/00, John Barnes wrote:
>I had technical with a CCIE interview yesterday, and




>1)  What is the size of a token ring frame?
>My answer: Token ring has a variable frame size.
>His answer: 3 bytes..
>
>Isn’t that the size of the Token frame?

That would be the token.


>2)  What the MTU of a token ring frame?  (Isn’t this
>about the same question as #1?)
>My answer: slightly larger that 16K (I couldn’t
>remember the exact number)
>His answer: about 4470 bytes .

18K on 16-Mbps Token Ring. 4470 bytes on 4-Mbps Token Ring AND FDDI. 
(Technically, both depend on the token-holding timer, which has a default, 
non-configurable value for Token Ring and is configurable for FDDI. But the 
max frame is based on the max the timer could be set to and a network of 
maximum size.)


>Ahh….. what?  He claimed I was thinking about
>FDDI…g  Ah… Who’s thinking about what?
>
>3)  What is the decision making process involved when a
>packet enters a router?  What three criteria are used
>to make this decision?
>My answer:  It depends. Is this the first
>packet with this destination to arrive at this router?
>  What switching mode is the router configured for.

Excellent answer.


>His answer:  Forget about that stuff… how does
>it determine which route to use.
>
>My answer:  longest match in the routing table
>
>His answer:  What if multiple routes exist in
>the table.
>
>My answer:  It depends.
>
>Ok…..I’m gonna cut to the chase… The answer he
>wanted was longest match, Administrative distance,
>then metric.  Ahh…. I’m pretty sure is wrong.   The
>router looks at AD and Metrics long before the packet
>enters the router.  The router uses AD and metric to
>populate the routing table, and then longest match
>from the routing table to make the decision once the
>packet actually enters the router.  Comparing AD and
>metric on every known route every time would place
>unnecessary burden on the CPU.  Compare it once, make
>the decision, and enter it in the RIT.  Even in the
>case of IGRP/EIGRP with variance, the next eligible
>route is determined before the packet enters the
>router.

Well if the router learns a more specific route from a routing protocol, 
that replaces a less specific. To quote Howard, "A summary route from the 
latest, greatest OSPF implementation will be overridden by a RIP subnet 
route from an old UNIX box."

Then AD comes into play. Metrics are used as a tie-breaker for routes 
learned from the same dynamic routing protocol (i.e., breaking ties between 
routes of the same administrative distance).

To move onto frame forwarding, when a route is looked up in the routing 
table, the main criterion is most specific prefix match. For example, the 
most specific possible match is a host route or /32 prefix, while the least 
specific possible match is the default route of 0.0.0.0/0.

See Howard's paper on Routing Principles at www.certificationzone.com for a 
great explanation of how all this works. He's the expert!


>   Maybe I should have picked up on this stuff when
>the recruiter asked me with BGP was a DV or LS based
>routing protocol.  My answer… ahh…neither, it’s path
>vector.

Reminds me of the time years ago when the technical recruiter asked me the 
difference between asynchronous and BISYNC. (He meant to say asynch VS 
synch and had actually never heard of BISYNC. He didn't understand my 
answer and didn't hire me. Just as well, I think!)

Priscilla


>I’m basically sending this out to get thoughts, and
>hopefully Howard, Priscilla or someone can tell me
>wether I’m off technically or not.
>
>
>THANKS!
>
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CCNA 2.0 Passing

[Norman Kunathansak]

Hi all,
Just a quick information about CCNA 2.0
I took it yesterday and pass with 902 score. Not many subnet question like I
expect. No Catalyst 1900 at all. Overall, the exam is quite basic, but be
careful with the timing. I only had 5 mins left after all questions. You
can't go back after you pass the question.

Good luck

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Re: BCMSN: Inter VLAN communication

[Scott Nelson]

> I have just started reading about devices on different VLAN's communicating
> with eachother via a Router.
>
> The thing I find odd (page 190/191 in Karen Webb's book) is the following:
>
> Three (3) VLAN's are configured on the first switch, and one (1) VLAN is
> configured on the second switch.

On the first switch, there are 3 VLANs that are configured to go to 3
interfaces on the first router and on the 2nd switch, it could be using ISL
or 802.1q trunking to a second router. You don't need 3 separate interfaces
when you are doing trunking as long as the switch and the router can do ISL
or 802.1q or whatever proprietary protocol you want to use for trunking,
both have to speak the same trunking language.

Does that clear it up a little?

Scott



> The first switch has three physical connections to the router, which makes
> sense, but the second switch has three physical connections to the router
> too, which doesn't make sense (to me at least).
>
> The way I see it, is that a VLAN would be (in theory) similar to a physical
> LAN, so if I change the three (3) VLAN's on one switch to three switches
> with one VLAN each, I would have one physical connection from each switch to
> the router, and one physical connection from the second, or in this case the
> fourth switch to the router.
>
> I know that I will probably know the answer to this if I just finish the
> chapter, but I hate not being sure about the information that the rest of
> the information is related to.
>
> Can someone clarify that for me?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ole
>
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Becoming a Designer

[Bruce]

I am preparing for my last CCNP exam, Support 2.0. After that I am going to
go for the CCDA and CCDP. I dont want to just pass the tests, I want to
learn how to design networks. Currently, I am implementing networks that
someone else designed. I want to make the leap from implementer to designer
and eventually possible go for CCIE Design. I have heard great things about
the book Top Down Network Design (Cisco Press) by Priscilla Oppenheimer.
Considering I have virtually no experience with design, will this book help
me and what other books do you suggest to help me achieve this goal?

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Re: Network speeds ...

[Kristopher B. Climie]

The problem with answering a question like this is that if you ask twenty
engineers how to do it, you'd get twenty answers.  With that in mind, let me
throw you my thoughts on this scenario.

To me, the 1,000-1,500 users connected via 100MB FastEthernet to 2924XLs is
cool.  They all get full access to the bandwidth, and they should all be
happy.

Where I start to worry, is the connection between the 2924's and the 5500's.
A single 100MB line is not going to cut it, in my opinion.  When ever
possible, use FastEtherChannel between switches.  You are going to have a
situation similar to going to work in the morning.  You are driving on your
nice zippy 35mph avenue, then it dumps you, and a hundred other work-going
people, onto a 4-lane highway, also posted at 35mph.  But its not just your
street, but a hundred other streets as well. Pretty soon, traffic get
congested because you are all heading toward that tower, which also has a
single entrance to it going at 35mph.  I think you can see my point -- a
bottleneck is definitely going to form.  Model your network after the
Interstate system -- slow avenues filter onto faster highways, which dump
onto even faster Turn Pikes.  They do this so they can accommodate more
traffic.  A network is very similar in that respect.  I like the pipes
between switches to be as fast as possible.  Trunking 6 ports to me is well
worth it.

As for the servers, the same scenario applies there as well.  You don't want
those to become the bottlenecks either.  Intel makes dual ports NICs now,
and a FastEtherChannel compatible driver -- or even better, ANY Intel 8255x
based card with the latest driver can be part of an EtherChannel.  Drop two,
or three, or even four into your server and bind them together (I think four
is the most NICs WinNt supports, but I could be wrong).  Don't forget about
gig either...

Don't give the users any more reason to complain then they think they
already have!
K

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> What is the best speed at each level to run your network?  For example
would
> this configuration cause problems?
>
> 1000 - 1500 Local (30,000+ total) Clients (Windows95 to Catalyst
> 2924) - 100MB/Full (200MB)
> Access level Uplinks to Core (Catalyst 2924 to Catalyst 5500) -
> 100MB/Full (200MB)
> 40 - 50 Local Servers connected to Core (Novell and NT to Catalyst
> 5500) - 100MB/Full (200MB)
>
> Shouldn't the servers have connections faster than the clients?  What
could
> be some of the issues from this design?
>
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Re: BGP **** CCO QUESTION ** PA

[Bob & Karen Timmons]

1. It'd have to be C

I believe network 10.1.0.0 would assume default mask.
As you said, B, D & E are all wrong syntax

2. Not sure, but I'd go with C.

See here for more info on Atomic Aggregate:
http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/software/ios113ed/113ed_cr/n
p1_c/1cbgp.htm

(watch the word wrap)

Bob
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Subject: BGP  CCO QUESTION ** PA


> All these are questions that I got from the CCO BCSN tests.
>
> 1. Which command allows Router A to advertise subnet 10.1.0.0/24 in BGP?
>
>   A. network 10.1.0.0
>   B. network 10.1.0.0 255.255.0.0
>   C. network 10.1.0.0 mask 255.255.0.0
>   D. network 10.1.0.0/16
>   E. network 10.1.0.0 prefix 16
>
> I have my answer as A.  B,D, and E all have the wrong syntax. Is C right?
I
> know that the mask length for C is 16.
>
> 2. What is the function of the BGP atomic aggregate attribute?
>
>   A. To indicate that the originating router has aggregated the routes
>   B. To specify the BGP router ID and AS number of the router that
performed
> the route aggregation
>   C. To specify the AS number of the router that performed the route
> aggregation
>   D. To specify the AS number of the router that performed the route
> aggregation and the AS numbers of the non-aggregated routes
>
> Answer: A.
>
> I have searched the CISCO web site and cannot find information on BGP
atomic
> aggregate attribute.
>
> Finally, how do prefix lists have support for incremental updates? Does
> anyone have a simple explanation for this?
>
> I appreciate your assistance.
>
> Peter.
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RE: Reply Time Difference

[Priscilla Oppenheimer]

Yes, everything you say about serialization delay is true. And, yes it's 
true that a Frame Relay network waits for the whole frame to arrive and 
then transfers it to the destination local loop. Frame Relay switches are 
store-and-forward devices.

Serialization delay is the time to output the bits in a frame from an 
interface at the circuit speed. Your local router outputs the bits across 
your local loop. That's the first case where serialization delay happens. 
The bits end up in the Frame Relay "cloud." The Frame Relay switch on the 
destination side of the cloud also outputs the bits at the rate specified 
for the destination local loop. Serialization delay occurs here also.

Most books and calculation methods ignore the serialization delay of the 
switches in the cloud and any intermediate routers. This is kind of silly, 
but the reason is that there's no easy way to tell what devices and links 
are in the cloud. (That's why it's called a cloud.)

In general, people don't worry about serialization delay with most 
applications, including testing with ping. Serialization delay has become a 
concern recently because of delay-sensitive applications such as voice and 
video. The reason you need to care about serialization delay in those cases 
is because it can take a long time to output the bits of a large frame onto 
a slow circuit. A small, inpatient voice frame might be behind that large 
frame, waiting to get output. Remember this is serial, that is, one bit at 
a time

So with voice and video applications, you need to think about the effect of 
outputting a large FTP 1500-byte frame, for example, while a little 
delay-sensitive 64-byte voice frame is waiting behind the large frame to 
get its chance to be output.

To address this issue you can use fragmentation. The Frame Relay Forum now 
has a bunch of optional standards for dividing up frames at the 
data-link-layer. Depending on which option you use, these frame can remain 
fragmented for the whole trip, including on output to the destination local 
loop. These standards solve the problem of the small frame waiting behind 
the large frame.

By the way, on high-speed circuits, serialization delay isn't an issue. The 
large frames zip out so fast that the serialization delay is negligible. In 
these cases, it's best not to do fragmentation.

One other by the way, serialization delay is not the same thing as 
propagation delay. Propagation delay measures how much time it takes to get 
across the network, (rather than how much time to get out the interface). 
Propagation delay can be a major issue if you are going long distances. The 
actual delay would depend on the type of cabling, whether there are 
satellites or not, etc. But assuming no satellites and typical fiber-optic 
cabling, it's something like six microseconds per kilometer or one 
nanosecond per foot for metric-challenged people in the U.S. Don't ask me 
why I remember these sorts of things! &;-)

Priscilla

At 02:45 PM 9/14/00, Kent wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>Could not rember from where I read the following:
>
>"
>--- For example, 64 kbps link = 8000 bytes/second.
>Suppose you have a 2000 byte packet.
>
>Then the serialization delay is 2000/8000
>seconds.  That's 250 millseconds
>in one direction of transmission (from source to
>destination, excluding the
>return trip for a ping).
>
>For a frame relay network, you serialize once to
>get it into the frame relay
>network (over the local loop).  That's 250 msec.
>You serialize it again to
>leave the network, over the destination local
>loop.  That's another 250
>msec.  That's a total of 500 msec in one
>direction.
>
>However, for leased line, you have 250 msec
>only-- once to get it to the
>destination. "
>
>My question is about the double delay of FR, it looks
>like the author believes that the FR network waits for
>the whole packet to arrive and then transfers it to
>the destination local loop, is this something true?
>I can not understand, if within CIR, why this happens.
>
>Thanks
>
>Kent
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Re: Help about a technical interview I had PLEASE!

[Kristopher B. Climie]

1.  The question is ambiguous.  If it is asking what is the Token Frame
size, the answer is 3-bytes.  (Starting Delimiter, 1-byte, Access Control,
1-byte, and End Delimeter, 1-byte).  You are right in your answer, the Frame
size in TR is variable, I would have answered it the same way.

2.  The average MTU for Token is 4,464, however, the data portion can
contain up to 17,800 bytes, for a MAXIMUM MTU (sorry for the redundant
redundancy) is 17,997.  Cisco supports MTUs of 68-17,997 bytes.  The MTU for
FDDI is 4,500.

3. Routing decision:
1) Most specific route
2) Administrative Distance

   For instance, you might have a Routing table that says:

Gateway of last resort not set

R39.0.0.0/8 [120/1] via 172.16.1.20, FastEthernet0/0
R39.0.1.0/24 [120/1] via 172.16.1.19, FastEthernet0/0
C   172.16.0.0 is directly connected, FastEthernet0/0

If you send a packet to 39.0.1.33, it is going to use 172.16.1.19, and not
172.16.1.20 because it is the most specific route.  If the route through
172.16.1.19 was not in there, and there was both an EIGRP learned route, and
the RIP route shown to 39.0.1.0, the EIGRP route would be used.  Why?
Because its route has a lower Administrative Distance.

Remember, the router only places multiple equal-cost routes in the table, or
the single route with the lowest Administrative Distance.  Metrics are only
used in path selection within  a specific routing process, not for final
path selection.  That is why we all had to learn iBgp = 200, RIP=120,
OSPF=110, IGRP=100, EIGRP=90, eBgp=20, etc.  Each routing process will
present its BEST route (based on the metrics available to it) for final path
selection.  That final path is chosen from the type of route it is.

K

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> I had technical with a CCIE interview yesterday, and
> I'm not really sure were to go with this.
>
> He asked me a lot of pretty high level questions and
> some not so high level, the problem is, I feel some of
> the answers he wanted were wrong.  I'm going to post
> the questions, the answers I gave, and the answers he
> claimed to be correct.  If I'm wrong on these, I'd
> like to know.  If I'm right, how would you deal with
> this kind of thing?
>
> 1) What is the size of a token ring frame?
> My answer: Token ring has a variable frame size.
> His answer: 3 bytes..
>
> Isn't that the size of the Token frame?
>
> 2) What the MTU of a token ring frame?  (Isn't this
> about the same question as #1?)
> My answer: slightly larger that 16K (I couldn't
> remember the exact number)
> His answer: about 4470 bytes .
>
> Ahh... what?  He claimed I was thinking about
> FDDI.g  Ah. Who's thinking about what?
>
> 3) What is the decision making process involved when a
> packet enters a router?  What three criteria are used
> to make this decision?
>My answer:  It depends. Is this the first
> packet with this destination to arrive at this router?
>  What switching mode is the router configured for.
>
>His answer:  Forget about that stuff. how does
> it determine which route to use.
>
>My answer:  longest match in the routing table
>
>His answer:  What if multiple routes exist in
> the table.
>
>My answer:  It depends.
>
>Ok...I'm gonna cut to the chase. The answer he
> wanted was longest match, Administrative distance,
> then metric.  Ahh.. I'm pretty sure is wrong.   The
> router looks at AD and Metrics long before the packet
> enters the router.  The router uses AD and metric to
> populate the routing table, and then longest match
> from the routing table to make the decision once the
> packet actually enters the router.  Comparing AD and
> metric on every known route every time would place
> unnecessary burden on the CPU.  Compare it once, make
> the decision, and enter it in the RIT.  Even in the
> case of IGRP/EIGRP with variance, the next eligible
> route is determined before the packet enters the
> router.
>
>   Maybe I should have picked up on this stuff when
> the recruiter asked me with BGP was a DV or LS based
> routing protocol.  My answer. ahh.neither, it's path
> vector.
>
> I'm basically sending this out to get thoughts, and
> hopefully Howard, Priscilla or someone can tell me
> wether I'm off technically or not.
>
>
> THANKS!
>
> -john
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dialer not up

[Ed Crowe]

Hi ,
Usually everything is fine, but sometimes my ISDN router does not make a
connection, giving the following debug message:

03:56:04:  NAT: dialer not up for BRI0, no translation, dial and drop

Could anyone tell me what this means and how I avoid it?

The configuration is almost straight from the book, Easy IP (phase 1) -
nothing unusual at all.

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RE: Passing score

[William E Gragido]

Yes, its 822 out of 1000.   So basically its 82% out of a 100%

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Help about a technical interview I had PLEASE!

[John Barnes]

I had technical with a CCIE interview yesterday, and
I’m not really sure were to go with this.

He asked me a lot of pretty high level questions and
some not so high level, the problem is, I feel some of
the answers he wanted were wrong.  I’m going to post
the questions, the answers I gave, and the answers he
claimed to be correct.  If I’m wrong on these, I’d
like to know.  If I’m right, how would you deal with
this kind of thing?  

1)  What is the size of a token ring frame?
My answer: Token ring has a variable frame size. 
His answer: 3 bytes..  

Isn’t that the size of the Token frame?

2)  What the MTU of a token ring frame?  (Isn’t this
about the same question as #1?)
My answer: slightly larger that 16K (I couldn’t
remember the exact number)
His answer: about 4470 bytes .

Ahh….. what?  He claimed I was thinking about
FDDI…g  Ah… Who’s thinking about what?

3)  What is the decision making process involved when a
packet enters a router?  What three criteria are used
to make this decision?
   My answer:  It depends. Is this the first
packet with this destination to arrive at this router?
 What switching mode is the router configured for.

   His answer:  Forget about that stuff… how does
it determine which route to use.

   My answer:  longest match in the routing table

   His answer:  What if multiple routes exist in
the table.

   My answer:  It depends.

   Ok…..I’m gonna cut to the chase… The answer he
wanted was longest match, Administrative distance,
then metric.  Ahh…. I’m pretty sure is wrong.   The
router looks at AD and Metrics long before the packet
enters the router.  The router uses AD and metric to
populate the routing table, and then longest match
from the routing table to make the decision once the
packet actually enters the router.  Comparing AD and
metric on every known route every time would place
unnecessary burden on the CPU.  Compare it once, make
the decision, and enter it in the RIT.  Even in the
case of IGRP/EIGRP with variance, the next eligible
route is determined before the packet enters the
router.  

  Maybe I should have picked up on this stuff when
the recruiter asked me with BGP was a DV or LS based
routing protocol.  My answer… ahh…neither, it’s path
vector.

I’m basically sending this out to get thoughts, and
hopefully Howard, Priscilla or someone can tell me
wether I’m off technically or not.


THANKS!

-john


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BCMSN: Inter VLAN communication

[Ole Drews Jensen]

I have just started reading about devices on different VLAN's communicating
with eachother via a Router.

The thing I find odd (page 190/191 in Karen Webb's book) is the following:

Three (3) VLAN's are configured on the first switch, and one (1) VLAN is
configured on the second switch.

The first switch has three physical connections to the router, which makes
sense, but the second switch has three physical connections to the router
too, which doesn't make sense (to me at least).

The way I see it, is that a VLAN would be (in theory) similar to a physical
LAN, so if I change the three (3) VLAN's on one switch to three switches
with one VLAN each, I would have one physical connection from each switch to
the router, and one physical connection from the second, or in this case the
fourth switch to the router.

I know that I will probably know the answer to this if I just finish the
chapter, but I hate not being sure about the information that the rest of
the information is related to.

Can someone clarify that for me?

Thanks,

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RE: Reply Time Difference

[Kent]

Hi all, 

Could not rember from where I read the following:

"
--- For example, 64 kbps link = 8000 bytes/second.
Suppose you have a 2000 byte packet.

Then the serialization delay is 2000/8000 
seconds.  That's 250 millseconds
in one direction of transmission (from source to 
destination, excluding the
return trip for a ping).

For a frame relay network, you serialize once to 
get it into the frame relay
network (over the local loop).  That's 250 msec.  
You serialize it again to
leave the network, over the destination local 
loop.  That's another 250
msec.  That's a total of 500 msec in one 
direction.

However, for leased line, you have 250 msec 
only-- once to get it to the
destination. "

My question is about the double delay of FR, it looks
like the author believes that the FR network waits for
the whole packet to arrive and then transfers it to
the destination local loop, is this something true?
I can not understand, if within CIR, why this happens.

Thanks

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Re: BGP study question

[luobin Yang]

It depends on whether you want to control inbound traffic or outbound traffic.
If you want to control inbound traffic, use MED, if you want to control outbound
traffic, use Local Preference.

Luobin Yang

"Kristopher B. Climie" wrote:

> Here is a question I am just going to throw out there:
>
> Look at the example below.  Router B has two connections out of its network
> to router D, one through router A and router C.  All are running eBGP.  What
> is the best way to get Router B to use Router C, using the MED or the
> Local_Pref?  Why?
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Re: BGP study question

[Ejay Hire]

The MED, and if they are cisco routers, the weight.  If you want to prefer 
router C for outbound traffic, then logically, you want inbound traffic to 
come the same way.  The local pref is not passed to the Peer, so it would 
only affect outbound traffic.  Addittionally  the MED has more 
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Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 16:39:45 -0400

Here is a question I am just going to throw out there:


Look at the example below.  Router B has two connections out of its network
to router D, one through router A and router C.  All are running eBGP.  What
is the best way to get Router B to use Router C, using the MED or the
Local_Pref?  Why?



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RE: MRTG and T1

[Ejay Hire]

If your CIR is 1536 then your CBR doesn't really matter because the T-1 line 
will be saturated (full) when you hit your CIR.  The graph you posted shows 
you are using around 12% of your total capacity.

12% of a t-1 internet connection can mean only one thing.  Nobody's 
installed napster yet. :>  Realistically though, your usage is fine, you've 
got plenty of room to grow.  If you are having speed problems, it's not 
because of Bandwidth.

HTH
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Subject: RE: MRTG and T1
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 16:36:27 -0400

We are getting a CIR of 1536. The CBR changes all the time... we only
operate during the day since we're a school and the only statistics that I
get from our ISP is a 24/hr report which does me no good.

Jeff

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It means that you are only using 180kbps of your 1540kbps T-1 service.  From

the information given though, we don't really know how much bandwith you
_actually_ have though because you are using Frame-Relay.  To determine the
real amount of bandwith you have, you'd need to know the CIR and CBR of your

Frame-relay circuit.

(Explanation:  The T-1 just connects you to a frame-relay switch in a
service providers office.  If the service provider sells you a 56k CIR
circuit, then you are going to get around 56k of data through it, regardless

of how big the connection to the service provider is.)


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Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 15:22:01 -0700

What's up everybody I have just installed MRTG and am monitoring our T1.
My question is this:

The max Bytes Per Second only goes up to 180k. How does this correlate to
actual bandwidth being used up on my pipe? I have a 2600 with a built in
CSU/DSU (bandwidth set to 1536kbps) over frame relay.

(see .gif for example)

I've been looking on CCO for the max kbps that it can actually route, but no
luck. I'm assuming that it can handle the 1536?

Cheers,
Jeff


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Networkstudyguides.com

[Rah Sta]

To All,

Has anyone ever used the Networkstudyguides.com study packages for any of 
the CCNP exams? PEACE



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BGP **** CCO QUESTION ** PA

[Peter Abraham]

All these are questions that I got from the CCO BCSN tests.

1. Which command allows Router A to advertise subnet 10.1.0.0/24 in BGP?

  A. network 10.1.0.0
  B. network 10.1.0.0 255.255.0.0
  C. network 10.1.0.0 mask 255.255.0.0
  D. network 10.1.0.0/16
  E. network 10.1.0.0 prefix 16

I have my answer as A.  B,D, and E all have the wrong syntax. Is C right? I 
know that the mask length for C is 16.

2. What is the function of the BGP atomic aggregate attribute?

  A. To indicate that the originating router has aggregated the routes
  B. To specify the BGP router ID and AS number of the router that performed 
the route aggregation
  C. To specify the AS number of the router that performed the route 
aggregation
  D. To specify the AS number of the router that performed the route 
aggregation and the AS numbers of the non-aggregated routes

Answer: A.

I have searched the CISCO web site and cannot find information on BGP atomic 
aggregate attribute.

Finally, how do prefix lists have support for incremental updates? Does 
anyone have a simple explanation for this?

I appreciate your assistance.

Peter.
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Lab date 9/30 @ RTP for swap

[Richard Dollins]

Hello

I have a CCIE Lab date of September 30 in RTP, would like to swap with
someone fro a RTP date in 
November or early December.. Email me if you can swap..

Thanks

Rick

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Re: Layer 2 Addressing

[Ejay Hire]

Roosevelt Giles, CCIE All-in-one P210-212.  In translational bridging, the 
Translation engine converts the format from Little-endian to big-endian.  
The multicast bit and the U/l bit are both part of the mac-address, and are 
converted with the address, with no modification other than the Bit 
re-ordering.

After Bit translation, the Frame length, Access Control, Routing 
Information... fields are added to the fram, and it is passed to the Bridge 
module.


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Subject: Layer 2 Addressing
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 16:00:56 -0400

I have asked this question once before and had little luck in finding the
answers. This time I have given a more explination and an example.
I have a problem in understanding the issues concerning canonical vs.
non-canonical addressing. I have read the archives of GroupStudy.com (both
CCIE and regular mailing lists), RFC 2469, Optimized.com, Interconnections
(Second Edition), many Cisco Press Books. I have been to many college sites
in reference to Manchester encoding. I have searched on CCO, and the
Internet. I have had discussions with my peers and have now thoroughly
confused them. In the scheme of things I guess it does not matter on why but
that it just happens and that we need to be aware of the issues and how to
solve them. Unfortunately I can't leave it at that.

In "Interconnections Second Edition" pages 32-33 she states:

"With 802.3 and 802.4, the least significant bit is transmitted first; with
802.5 (and FDDI), the most significant bit is transmitted first. This would
not be an issue (adapters on the receiver and transmitter for a particular
LAN would presumably be symmetric, and the order of the transmission would
be irrelevant) except that the group bit in addresses was defined not as
"the most significant bit" or "the lease significant bit" but rather as "the
first bit on the wire." Thus, an address that was a group address on  802.3
would not necessarily look like a group address when transmitted on  802.5
because a different bit would be transmitted first.
The canonical format of address assumes least-significant-bit-order-first
order. Therefore, the address a2-41-59-31-51 is not a group address because
the least significant bit of the first octet (a2, which equals 10100010
binary) is 0.
When address are stored for transmission onto 802.5 or FDDI, which transmit
the most significant bit first, they must be stored in a different format.
  Figure 2.9 shows the address a2-41-42-59-31-51 as stored for transmission
least significant bit first.

10100010   0101   0110   01011001   00110001   01010001
Figure 2.9 Address a2-41-42-59-31-51, least significant bit first

Figure 2.10 show the address a2-41-42-59-31-51 as stored for transmission
most significant bit first.

01000101   1010   0110   10011010   10001100   10001010
Figure 2.10 Address a2-41-42-59-31-51, most significant bit first

  Therefore, bridges must shuffle the address fields when forwarding between
802.5 (or FDDI) and any other LANs."


>From all of the reading this is what I think to be true. If I am wrong in my
assumptions please let me know.
1. When an adapter needs to set the MAC address of a packet it will put it
in whatever format that it is accustomed to and is unaware of any other
format.
2. Regardless of how the packet is stored in memory it will transmit the
Global bit first. This is what a transmittion would look like:
Packet in canonical format:  A8 is the Global bit, least significant bit
A1A2A3A4A5A6A7A8 B1B2B3B4B5B6B7B8   C1C2C3C4C5C6C7C8

Packet in non-canonical format: A8 is the Global bit, most significant bit
A8A7A6A5A4A3A2A1 B8B7B6B5B4B3B2B1   C8C7C6C5C4C3C2C1

Either way is transmitter with the Global bit first so both should look like
this on the wire:
A8A7A6A5A4A3A2A1   B8B7B6B5B4B3B2B1   C8C7C6C5C4C3C2C1


When an adapter receives a packet it should automatically rearrange the
packet into the appropriate format and everything should be fine.
I know how to do the conversion and when I do the conversion I can see the
problem. When I go through the steps of how a packet is formed I can't see
the problem.

I would appreciate a reply, answer or direction to go from anyone.


Thanks,
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BGP study question

[Kristopher B. Climie]

Here is a question I am just going to throw out there:


Look at the example below.  Router B has two connections out of its network
to router D, one through router A and router C.  All are running eBGP.  What
is the best way to get Router B to use Router C, using the MED or the
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Hi

Is CSU built-in on Channelized T1 (PRI) card on 7513
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RE: MRTG and T1

[Timmons, Robert]

Hmm... I don't know MRTG that well, but here goes...

I'm running MRTG here on our switches (3com) and have found that each
GIF is different in terms of the MAX bits/sec (I have it set to bits 
rather than bytes, but it works the same both ways).  For example,
my core switch max's out at 16.0kb/s, whereas any other switch may be
something like 5.2kb/s.  Suffice to say, I think the number to the left
of the grid is dynamic and will rise or fall with the bandwidth in use.

Is it possible that there is only that much going through your T1?
As for the router, it should handle a T1 no problem.

HTH
Bob

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Subject: MRTG and T1


What's up everybody I have just installed MRTG and am monitoring our T1.
My question is this:

The max Bytes Per Second only goes up to 180k. How does this correlate to
actual bandwidth being used up on my pipe? I have a 2600 with a built in
CSU/DSU (bandwidth set to 1536kbps) over frame relay.

(see .gif for example)

I've been looking on CCO for the max kbps that it can actually route, but no
luck. I'm assuming that it can handle the 1536?

Cheers,
Jeff


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Re: MRTG and T1

[Ejay Hire]

It means that you are only using 180kbps of your 1540kbps T-1 service.  From 
the information given though, we don't really know how much bandwith you 
_actually_ have though because you are using Frame-Relay.  To determine the 
real amount of bandwith you have, you'd need to know the CIR and CBR of your 
Frame-relay circuit.

(Explanation:  The T-1 just connects you to a frame-relay switch in a 
service providers office.  If the service provider sells you a 56k CIR 
circuit, then you are going to get around 56k of data through it, regardless 
of how big the connection to the service provider is.)


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Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 15:22:01 -0700

What's up everybody I have just installed MRTG and am monitoring our T1.
My question is this:

The max Bytes Per Second only goes up to 180k. How does this correlate to
actual bandwidth being used up on my pipe? I have a 2600 with a built in
CSU/DSU (bandwidth set to 1536kbps) over frame relay.

(see .gif for example)

I've been looking on CCO for the max kbps that it can actually route, but no
luck. I'm assuming that it can handle the 1536?

Cheers,
Jeff


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Re: RouterSim

[Thomas Lisa]

We have just started using Ver 2 of RouterSim in our classes.  While it
does have some limitations (would really like to be able to do tracert
from the wkstns) and a few minor bugs it appears to be well suited for
CCNA preparation.  I can't speak to CCNP level study, but given the
availability of Token Ring, ISDN and Switches I would imagine it would be
worth the price.  However, will report back with an in-depth evaluation
once the semester is over and I can review and summarize all of my
students' critiques.

Tom Lisa, Instructor, CCNA, CCAI
Community College of Southern Nevada
Cisco Regional Networking Academy



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> Does anyone have any experience with the RouterSim product?
>
> It seems like it does a lot of commands, and gives you a few routers,
> switches, and even nodes on each end...
> It even gives you a BRI to practice setting up ISDN!!!
> It's about $200...
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Re: LS-1010 Question

[Kevin Wigle]

Thanks!

Suspected as much but I couldn't see the reasoning behind using the same
module number as the sup (and the eth).  But I guess if that is where the
virtual interface is (the sup) then it would have the same module number.

thanks again.

Kevin

- Original Message -
From: "Scott Robohn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "cisco" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Kevin Wigle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2000 3:11 PM
Subject: Re: LS-1010 Question


> Kevin,
>
> You're onto it; ATM2/0/0 is a *logical* interface on the ASP.  It is not a
physical port (on the outside of the box, anyway).  Do a 'show atm vc' and
look for a bunch of 0/5, 0/16, and other VC's terminating on A2/0/0.
>
> Eth2/0/0 is a real *physical* port that you can use for out-of-band
management (telnet, ftp, etc.).
>
> Scott
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Kevin Wigle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: "Kevin Wigle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 13:58:55 -0400
>
> >Dear Group,
> >
> >I'm on a new contract and I'm cleaning up a lab config so I can do some
> >work.
> >
> >The lab has a LS-1010.  This is the first time I've seen a 1010 in the
flesh
> >so maybe this question is basic.
> >
> >The 1010 has a 8 port OC3 blade and the supervisor.  The OC3s are in mod
0
> >and the sup in mod 2.
> >
> >I've cleared the ATM configs on atm0/0/0 - atm0/0/3 and atm0/1/0 -
atm0/1/3
> >with no problems - however the running config states that there is an
> >ATM2/0/0 somewhere.
> >
> >Which I think is strange as Eth2/0/0 would be occupying the same mod!!?!
> >
> >When I tried to clear the config, one of the commands said I had to
shutdown
> >the interface before doing that.  When I tried to shut it down I was
> >promptly told that I couldn't do that.
> >
> >So, the question is - is ATM2/0/0 a virtual system interface?  If it is -
> >how (or maybe why) does it occupy the same mod as the supervisor and the
Eth
> >interface?
> >
> >any info accepted!!  :-)
> >
> >Kevin Wigle
> >
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Layer 2 Addressing

[Neil Desai]

I have asked this question once before and had little luck in finding the
answers. This time I have given a more explination and an example.
I have a problem in understanding the issues concerning canonical vs.
non-canonical addressing. I have read the archives of GroupStudy.com (both
CCIE and regular mailing lists), RFC 2469, Optimized.com, Interconnections
(Second Edition), many Cisco Press Books. I have been to many college sites
in reference to Manchester encoding. I have searched on CCO, and the
Internet. I have had discussions with my peers and have now thoroughly
confused them. In the scheme of things I guess it does not matter on why but
that it just happens and that we need to be aware of the issues and how to
solve them. Unfortunately I can't leave it at that.

In "Interconnections Second Edition" pages 32-33 she states:

"With 802.3 and 802.4, the least significant bit is transmitted first; with
802.5 (and FDDI), the most significant bit is transmitted first. This would
not be an issue (adapters on the receiver and transmitter for a particular
LAN would presumably be symmetric, and the order of the transmission would
be irrelevant) except that the group bit in addresses was defined not as
"the most significant bit" or "the lease significant bit" but rather as "the
first bit on the wire." Thus, an address that was a group address on  802.3
would not necessarily look like a group address when transmitted on  802.5
because a different bit would be transmitted first.
The canonical format of address assumes least-significant-bit-order-first
order. Therefore, the address a2-41-59-31-51 is not a group address because
the least significant bit of the first octet (a2, which equals 10100010
binary) is 0.
When address are stored for transmission onto 802.5 or FDDI, which transmit
the most significant bit first, they must be stored in a different format.
 Figure 2.9 shows the address a2-41-42-59-31-51 as stored for transmission
least significant bit first.

10100010   0101   0110   01011001   00110001   01010001
Figure 2.9 Address a2-41-42-59-31-51, least significant bit first

Figure 2.10 show the address a2-41-42-59-31-51 as stored for transmission
most significant bit first.

01000101   1010   0110   10011010   10001100   10001010
Figure 2.10 Address a2-41-42-59-31-51, most significant bit first

 Therefore, bridges must shuffle the address fields when forwarding between
802.5 (or FDDI) and any other LANs."


>From all of the reading this is what I think to be true. If I am wrong in my
assumptions please let me know.
1. When an adapter needs to set the MAC address of a packet it will put it
in whatever format that it is accustomed to and is unaware of any other
format.
2. Regardless of how the packet is stored in memory it will transmit the
Global bit first. This is what a transmittion would look like:
Packet in canonical format:  A8 is the Global bit, least significant bit
A1A2A3A4A5A6A7A8 B1B2B3B4B5B6B7B8   C1C2C3C4C5C6C7C8

Packet in non-canonical format: A8 is the Global bit, most significant bit
A8A7A6A5A4A3A2A1 B8B7B6B5B4B3B2B1   C8C7C6C5C4C3C2C1

Either way is transmitter with the Global bit first so both should look like
this on the wire:
A8A7A6A5A4A3A2A1   B8B7B6B5B4B3B2B1   C8C7C6C5C4C3C2C1


When an adapter receives a packet it should automatically rearrange the
packet into the appropriate format and everything should be fine.
I know how to do the conversion and when I do the conversion I can see the
problem. When I go through the steps of how a packet is formed I can't see
the problem.

I would appreciate a reply, answer or direction to go from anyone.


Thanks,
Neil






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RE: MRTG and T1

[Edward Watson]

On the version of MRTG that we use, you must define the max bytes for the
pipe.  This is done in the mrtg.cfg file.  You should see a line entry:
MaxBytes[output HTML file name here]: 193750

I suspect the number in this listing is not 193750.  The number is computed
as follows:
1.544M/8=193750

Hope that helps!

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Jeff Duchin
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2000 6:22 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: MRTG and T1


What's up everybody I have just installed MRTG and am monitoring our T1.
My question is this:

The max Bytes Per Second only goes up to 180k. How does this correlate to
actual bandwidth being used up on my pipe? I have a 2600 with a built in
CSU/DSU (bandwidth set to 1536kbps) over frame relay.

(see .gif for example)

I've been looking on CCO for the max kbps that it can actually route, but no
luck. I'm assuming that it can handle the 1536?

Cheers,
Jeff



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Re: exam topics for various cisco tests

[Casey Fahey]

I took the beta, for BCRAN no VOIP that I remember.  Lots of ISDN and FRAME 
of course.  The test was easier than I expected, of course I used to live in 
that world so this one was kinda a gimme...

HTH,

Casey

>From: Priscilla Oppenheimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: Priscilla Oppenheimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "Jon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: exam topics for various cisco tests
>Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 11:37:52 -0700
>
>The topic outline (objectives) for BCRAN are really bad. They include VoIP
>twice for one thing!?! This is definitely a case where you should use the
>course outline rather than the silly PDF file for the outlines that has
>unrelated topics in a bizarre order.
>
>I'm pretty sure VoIP is not really on the BCRAN exam. It's not in the
>class. I took the Foundation exam and didn't get any VoIP question.
>
>Perhaps others can tell us if they got any VoIP questions on BCRAN.
>
>Priscilla
>
>At 12:28 AM 9/14/00, Jon wrote:
>>I was wondering about the Exam Outline & Prep. Guide.  The BCRAN Guide
>>shows VoIP, but neither the Cisco Press Book, or the BCRAN course 
>>objectives
>>mention it.
>>Oh well,
>>Jon
>>
>>
>>"Priscilla Oppenheimer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>>[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> > I sent a message to Cisco Training a couple months ago pointing out 
>>that
>> > some of their objectives/topics lists are lacking in useful information
>>(to
>> > say the least). I gave them suggestions on how to fix the lists for 
>>CCNA,
>> > Switching, Remote Access, and Support, all of which have absolutely 
>>awful
>> > lists.
>> >
>> > I got back a form letter saying that all scores are final and if I need
>> > more information on how to pass the tests, go to these URLs. Guess what
>>the
>> > URLs were to? The useless list of objectives. (I was just trying to 
>>help.
>> > I've actually passed CCDP and CCNP, by the way.)
>> >
>> > One thing that helps when you're studying is to use the course 
>>objectives
>> > instead of the test objectives. For example, instead of looking at the
>> > useless test topics for CCNA, which claim you'll need to know IPX three
>> > times and that PPP is a bridging/switching technology, use the course
>> > outline available here:
>> >
>> >
>>http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/10/wwtraining/cust/classes/C-TRN-ICND.html
>> >
>> > For BCRAN, go here:
>> >
>> >
>>http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/10/wwtraining/cust/classes/C-TRN-BCRAN.html
>> >
>> > For CIT (Support) go here:
>> >
>> > 
>>http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/10/wwtraining/cust/classes/C-TRN-CIT.html
>> >
>> > Routing and Switching CCIE written has a good exam blueprint here:
>> >
>> > http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/625/ccie/rsblueprint.html
>> >
>> > Hope this helps,
>> >
>> > Priscilla
>> >
>> > At 04:23 PM 9/13/00, Igor wrote:
>> > >i just got my CCNA i noticed that the online networking academy
>>curriculum
>> > >had detailed list of 60 topics to review for CCNA test (not that i 
>>did),
>> > >which did not appear on the exam info at the www.cisco.com cisco
>>website's
>> > >exam info contains a detailed list for routing 2, and CCDA/DP tests.
>> > >however, the list of topics for the other 3 CCNP tests is very sparse
>> > >additionally, there are some goals for CCIE written test, but no 
>>detailed
>> > >topics or objectives. i think it would be useful to obtain this, maybe
>> > >contact cisco, or if such thing is not available come up with our own
>> > >list. let me know if you have any ideas/interest in this. igor 
>>vilensky
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >Do You Yahoo!?
>> > >Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from
>> > >anywhere!
>> >
>> >
>> > 
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Re: BGP Loopback Update-source

[Andrew Smith]

Given:

--
router a:

int fast 0/0
 ip address 10.0.0.1 255.0.0.0

int loop 0
 ip address 172.16.0.1 255.255.0.0

router bgp 1
 neighbor 172.17.0.1 remote-as 2
 neighbor 172.17.0.1 update-source fast0/0

--
router b:

int fast 0/0
 ip address 10.0.0.2 255.0.0.0

int loop 0
 ip address 172.17.0.1 255.255.0.0

router bgp 2
 neighbor 10.0.0.1 remote-as 1
 neighbor 10.0.0.1 update-source loop 0
--

Router A will not show a direct route to 172.17.0.1, does not have
ebgp-multihop enabled, and will thus not INITIATE the TCP connection
to router B.

Router B will show a direct route to 10.0.0.1 and thus will initiate
the TCP connection to Router A. Apparantly ebgp-multihop only applies
to whether or not to attempt an active open. If a configured neighbor
initiates a connection to us, and we have any type of route to his
source IP, we'll go ahead and negotiate it. This is an educated guess
on my part. If it's possible to set a peer status to "listen and accept,
but don't initiate", you could test this theory.

On 14-Sep-2000, Hubert Pun wrote:
> Regarding about my BGP update source problem, I get suggestion that I need to
> use the ebgp-multihop. However, if I just use loopback on one side and direct
> neighbor on the other side, it works perfectly without the multihop statement.
> Why do I need that statement if I am using loopback on both sides instead on
> one side?
> 
> Thanks in advance
> 
> Hubert
> 
> Andrew Smith wrote:
> 
> > Since you have the routers in different AS's, they are using eBGP
> > instead of iBGP. If the peer addresses aren't on a directly connected
> > network, you need the following command on both routers:
> >
> > neighbor x.x.x.x ebgp-multihop
> 
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RE: exam topics for various cisco tests

[Flaherty, Patrick]

I passed the BCRAN last week and had no VoIP questions.

/pat

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Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2000 11:38 AM
To: Jon; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: exam topics for various cisco tests


The topic outline (objectives) for BCRAN are really bad. They include VoIP 
twice for one thing!?! This is definitely a case where you should use the 
course outline rather than the silly PDF file for the outlines that has 
unrelated topics in a bizarre order.

I'm pretty sure VoIP is not really on the BCRAN exam. It's not in the 
class. I took the Foundation exam and didn't get any VoIP question.

Perhaps others can tell us if they got any VoIP questions on BCRAN.

Priscilla

At 12:28 AM 9/14/00, Jon wrote:
>I was wondering about the Exam Outline & Prep. Guide.  The BCRAN Guide
>shows VoIP, but neither the Cisco Press Book, or the BCRAN course
objectives
>mention it.
>Oh well,
>Jon
>
>
>"Priscilla Oppenheimer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > I sent a message to Cisco Training a couple months ago pointing out that
> > some of their objectives/topics lists are lacking in useful information
>(to
> > say the least). I gave them suggestions on how to fix the lists for
CCNA,
> > Switching, Remote Access, and Support, all of which have absolutely
awful
> > lists.
> >
> > I got back a form letter saying that all scores are final and if I need
> > more information on how to pass the tests, go to these URLs. Guess what
>the
> > URLs were to? The useless list of objectives. (I was just trying to
help.
> > I've actually passed CCDP and CCNP, by the way.)
> >
> > One thing that helps when you're studying is to use the course
objectives
> > instead of the test objectives. For example, instead of looking at the
> > useless test topics for CCNA, which claim you'll need to know IPX three
> > times and that PPP is a bridging/switching technology, use the course
> > outline available here:
> >
> >
>http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/10/wwtraining/cust/classes/C-TRN-ICND.html
> >
> > For BCRAN, go here:
> >
> >
>http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/10/wwtraining/cust/classes/C-TRN-BCRAN.htm
l
> >
> > For CIT (Support) go here:
> >
> >
http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/10/wwtraining/cust/classes/C-TRN-CIT.html
> >
> > Routing and Switching CCIE written has a good exam blueprint here:
> >
> > http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/625/ccie/rsblueprint.html
> >
> > Hope this helps,
> >
> > Priscilla
> >
> > At 04:23 PM 9/13/00, Igor wrote:
> > >i just got my CCNA i noticed that the online networking academy
>curriculum
> > >had detailed list of 60 topics to review for CCNA test (not that i
did),
> > >which did not appear on the exam info at the www.cisco.com cisco
>website's
> > >exam info contains a detailed list for routing 2, and CCDA/DP tests.
> > >however, the list of topics for the other 3 CCNP tests is very sparse
> > >additionally, there are some goals for CCIE written test, but no
detailed
> > >topics or objectives. i think it would be useful to obtain this, maybe
> > >contact cisco, or if such thing is not available come up with our own
> > >list. let me know if you have any ideas/interest in this. igor vilensky
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Do You Yahoo!?
> > >Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from
> > >anywhere!
> >
> >
> > 
> >
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Network speeds ...

[Hornbeck, Timothy]

What is the best speed at each level to run your network?  For example would
this configuration cause problems?

1000 - 1500 Local (30,000+ total) Clients (Windows95 to Catalyst
2924) - 100MB/Full (200MB)
Access level Uplinks to Core (Catalyst 2924 to Catalyst 5500) -
100MB/Full (200MB)
40 - 50 Local Servers connected to Core (Novell and NT to Catalyst
5500) - 100MB/Full (200MB)

Shouldn't the servers have connections faster than the clients?  What could
be some of the issues from this design?

Thanks,

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RE: exam topics for various cisco tests

[Daniel Boutet1]

There is definitively no VoIP on the BCRAN exam. Nothing on TAG Switching,
DMZ, VPDN, Firewalls, and QoS.
I cannot vouch for everyone but I did not get any questions on these
subjects. I wrote it Aug 15/00



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Priscilla Oppenheimer
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2000 12:38 PM
To: Jon; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: exam topics for various cisco tests


The topic outline (objectives) for BCRAN are really bad. They include VoIP
twice for one thing!?! This is definitely a case where you should use the
course outline rather than the silly PDF file for the outlines that has
unrelated topics in a bizarre order.

I'm pretty sure VoIP is not really on the BCRAN exam. It's not in the
class. I took the Foundation exam and didn't get any VoIP question.

Perhaps others can tell us if they got any VoIP questions on BCRAN.

Priscilla

At 12:28 AM 9/14/00, Jon wrote:
>I was wondering about the Exam Outline & Prep. Guide.  The BCRAN Guide
>shows VoIP, but neither the Cisco Press Book, or the BCRAN course
objectives
>mention it.
>Oh well,
>Jon
>
>
>"Priscilla Oppenheimer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > I sent a message to Cisco Training a couple months ago pointing out that
> > some of their objectives/topics lists are lacking in useful information
>(to
> > say the least). I gave them suggestions on how to fix the lists for
CCNA,
> > Switching, Remote Access, and Support, all of which have absolutely
awful
> > lists.
> >
> > I got back a form letter saying that all scores are final and if I need
> > more information on how to pass the tests, go to these URLs. Guess what
>the
> > URLs were to? The useless list of objectives. (I was just trying to
help.
> > I've actually passed CCDP and CCNP, by the way.)
> >
> > One thing that helps when you're studying is to use the course
objectives
> > instead of the test objectives. For example, instead of looking at the
> > useless test topics for CCNA, which claim you'll need to know IPX three
> > times and that PPP is a bridging/switching technology, use the course
> > outline available here:
> >
> >
>http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/10/wwtraining/cust/classes/C-TRN-ICND.html
> >
> > For BCRAN, go here:
> >
> >
>http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/10/wwtraining/cust/classes/C-TRN-BCRAN.htm
l
> >
> > For CIT (Support) go here:
> >
> >
http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/10/wwtraining/cust/classes/C-TRN-CIT.html
> >
> > Routing and Switching CCIE written has a good exam blueprint here:
> >
> > http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/625/ccie/rsblueprint.html
> >
> > Hope this helps,
> >
> > Priscilla
> >
> > At 04:23 PM 9/13/00, Igor wrote:
> > >i just got my CCNA i noticed that the online networking academy
>curriculum
> > >had detailed list of 60 topics to review for CCNA test (not that i
did),
> > >which did not appear on the exam info at the www.cisco.com cisco
>website's
> > >exam info contains a detailed list for routing 2, and CCDA/DP tests.
> > >however, the list of topics for the other 3 CCNP tests is very sparse
> > >additionally, there are some goals for CCIE written test, but no
detailed
> > >topics or objectives. i think it would be useful to obtain this, maybe
> > >contact cisco, or if such thing is not available come up with our own
> > >list. let me know if you have any ideas/interest in this. igor vilensky
> > >
> > >
> > >
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MRTG and T1

[Jeff Duchin]

What's up everybody I have just installed MRTG and am monitoring our T1.
My question is this:

The max Bytes Per Second only goes up to 180k. How does this correlate to
actual bandwidth being used up on my pipe? I have a 2600 with a built in
CSU/DSU (bandwidth set to 1536kbps) over frame relay.

(see .gif for example)

I've been looking on CCO for the max kbps that it can actually route, but no
luck. I'm assuming that it can handle the 1536?

Cheers,
Jeff


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Re: LS-1010 Question

[Scott Robohn]

Kevin,

You're onto it; ATM2/0/0 is a *logical* interface on the ASP.  It is not a physical 
port (on the outside of the box, anyway).  Do a 'show atm vc' and look for a bunch of 
0/5, 0/16, and other VC's terminating on A2/0/0.

Eth2/0/0 is a real *physical* port that you can use for out-of-band management 
(telnet, ftp, etc.).

Scott

-- Original Message --
From: "Kevin Wigle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: "Kevin Wigle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 13:58:55 -0400

>Dear Group,
>
>I'm on a new contract and I'm cleaning up a lab config so I can do some
>work.
>
>The lab has a LS-1010.  This is the first time I've seen a 1010 in the flesh
>so maybe this question is basic.
>
>The 1010 has a 8 port OC3 blade and the supervisor.  The OC3s are in mod 0
>and the sup in mod 2.
>
>I've cleared the ATM configs on atm0/0/0 - atm0/0/3 and atm0/1/0 - atm0/1/3
>with no problems - however the running config states that there is an
>ATM2/0/0 somewhere.
>
>Which I think is strange as Eth2/0/0 would be occupying the same mod!!?!
>
>When I tried to clear the config, one of the commands said I had to shutdown
>the interface before doing that.  When I tried to shut it down I was
>promptly told that I couldn't do that.
>
>So, the question is - is ATM2/0/0 a virtual system interface?  If it is -
>how (or maybe why) does it occupy the same mod as the supervisor and the Eth
>interface?
>
>any info accepted!!  :-)
>
>Kevin Wigle
>
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Re: BGP Loopback Update-source

[Kirk Bollinger]

doubt it's a bug.

make sure you can do extended pings from both routers using the loopback
add to the others loopback address.

then make sure that when you specify a neighbor that you use the loopback 
address like this

router bgp XX
neighbor (their loopback address) remote-as XX
neighbor (their loopback address) update-source loopbackX

-Kirk


On Thu, 14 Sep 2000, Hubert Pun wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I am using the two loopback as the update sources between two BGP
> external peers.  And I also have a OSPF running so that the routing
> table for both router realize the other router's loopback
> 
> Router 1:
> router bgp 2
>  neighbor 10.44.1.1 remote-as 1
>  neighbor 10.44.1.1 update-source Loopback1
> 
> Router 2:
> router bgp 1
>  neighbor 10.33.1.65 remote-as 2
>  neighbor 10.33.1.65 update-source Loopback0
> 
> 
> however, the bgp state is Idle, instead of establish.  Is it a bug in
> the cisco software?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Hubert
> 
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Free Book from Cisco

[Daniel Cotts]

http://www.cisco.com/offer/7200/d871

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Re: BGP Loopback Update-source

[Hubert Pun]

Regarding about my BGP update source problem, I get suggestion that I need to
use the ebgp-multihop. However, if I just use loopback on one side and direct
neighbor on the other side, it works perfectly without the multihop statement.
Why do I need that statement if I am using loopback on both sides instead on
one side?

Thanks in advance

Hubert

Andrew Smith wrote:

> Since you have the routers in different AS's, they are using eBGP
> instead of iBGP. If the peer addresses aren't on a directly connected
> network, you need the following command on both routers:
>
> neighbor x.x.x.x ebgp-multihop


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RE: Passing score

[Mann, Chris]

822

-Original Message-
From: Michael H. Noble [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2000 1:32 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Passing score


Can someone please tell me the passing score for the new CCNA 2.0 exam?

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Re: BGP Loopback Update-source

[Andrew Smith]

Since you have the routers in different AS's, they are using eBGP
instead of iBGP. If the peer addresses aren't on a directly connected
network, you need the following command on both routers:

neighbor x.x.x.x ebgp-multihop

On 14-Sep-2000, Hubert Pun wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I am using the two loopback as the update sources between two BGP
> external peers.  And I also have a OSPF running so that the routing
> table for both router realize the other router's loopback
> 
> Router 1:
> router bgp 2
>  neighbor 10.44.1.1 remote-as 1
>  neighbor 10.44.1.1 update-source Loopback1
> 
> Router 2:
> router bgp 1
>  neighbor 10.33.1.65 remote-as 2
>  neighbor 10.33.1.65 update-source Loopback0
> 
> 
> however, the bgp state is Idle, instead of establish.  Is it a bug in
> the cisco software?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Hubert
> 
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Re: Help locating drivers for testing

[Ejay Hire]

I don't think these do what you want to do.  If they are like the modems in 
our access server, you can set them up for Dial-up access (In or out ppp, 
slip...), or to dial a remote network.  If you absolutely have to use it as 
a modem, you ccould reverse-telnet into it, but you still couldn't use it as 
a windows modem.

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Subject: Help locating drivers for testing
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 09:10:15 -0400

Hello,

I have a Cisco 2610 with a 8 port NM-8AM= analog modem module. This unit is
a loaner from our local Cisco office for testing so I have no docs or
drivers that might have come with it fore the module. My question is, what
type of modems are these and where can I find drivers for them for NT 4 and
Win 2000? Thanks!

Tim


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Re: BGP Loopback Update-source

[Ejay Hire]

I may be wrong, but shouldn't there be a
config-router)# network x.x.x.x y.y.y.y area Z

Command in there before the BGP Peers will communicate?

Additionally, can you ping from Router1 to Router2?


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Subject: BGP Loopback Update-source
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 10:50:52 -0700

Hi,

I am using the two loopback as the update sources between two BGP
external peers.  And I also have a OSPF running so that the routing
table for both router realize the other router's loopback

Router 1:
router bgp 2
  neighbor 10.44.1.1 remote-as 1
  neighbor 10.44.1.1 update-source Loopback1

Router 2:
router bgp 1
  neighbor 10.33.1.65 remote-as 2
  neighbor 10.33.1.65 update-source Loopback0


however, the bgp state is Idle, instead of establish.  Is it a bug in
the cisco software?

Thanks

Hubert


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Re: exam topics for various cisco tests

[Priscilla Oppenheimer]

The topic outline (objectives) for BCRAN are really bad. They include VoIP 
twice for one thing!?! This is definitely a case where you should use the 
course outline rather than the silly PDF file for the outlines that has 
unrelated topics in a bizarre order.

I'm pretty sure VoIP is not really on the BCRAN exam. It's not in the 
class. I took the Foundation exam and didn't get any VoIP question.

Perhaps others can tell us if they got any VoIP questions on BCRAN.

Priscilla

At 12:28 AM 9/14/00, Jon wrote:
>I was wondering about the Exam Outline & Prep. Guide.  The BCRAN Guide
>shows VoIP, but neither the Cisco Press Book, or the BCRAN course objectives
>mention it.
>Oh well,
>Jon
>
>
>"Priscilla Oppenheimer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> > I sent a message to Cisco Training a couple months ago pointing out that
> > some of their objectives/topics lists are lacking in useful information
>(to
> > say the least). I gave them suggestions on how to fix the lists for CCNA,
> > Switching, Remote Access, and Support, all of which have absolutely awful
> > lists.
> >
> > I got back a form letter saying that all scores are final and if I need
> > more information on how to pass the tests, go to these URLs. Guess what
>the
> > URLs were to? The useless list of objectives. (I was just trying to help.
> > I've actually passed CCDP and CCNP, by the way.)
> >
> > One thing that helps when you're studying is to use the course objectives
> > instead of the test objectives. For example, instead of looking at the
> > useless test topics for CCNA, which claim you'll need to know IPX three
> > times and that PPP is a bridging/switching technology, use the course
> > outline available here:
> >
> >
>http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/10/wwtraining/cust/classes/C-TRN-ICND.html
> >
> > For BCRAN, go here:
> >
> >
>http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/10/wwtraining/cust/classes/C-TRN-BCRAN.html
> >
> > For CIT (Support) go here:
> >
> > http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/10/wwtraining/cust/classes/C-TRN-CIT.html
> >
> > Routing and Switching CCIE written has a good exam blueprint here:
> >
> > http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/625/ccie/rsblueprint.html
> >
> > Hope this helps,
> >
> > Priscilla
> >
> > At 04:23 PM 9/13/00, Igor wrote:
> > >i just got my CCNA i noticed that the online networking academy
>curriculum
> > >had detailed list of 60 topics to review for CCNA test (not that i did),
> > >which did not appear on the exam info at the www.cisco.com cisco
>website's
> > >exam info contains a detailed list for routing 2, and CCDA/DP tests.
> > >however, the list of topics for the other 3 CCNP tests is very sparse
> > >additionally, there are some goals for CCIE written test, but no detailed
> > >topics or objectives. i think it would be useful to obtain this, maybe
> > >contact cisco, or if such thing is not available come up with our own
> > >list. let me know if you have any ideas/interest in this. igor vilensky
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Do You Yahoo!?
> > >Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from
> > >anywhere!
> >
> >
> > 
> >
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Passing score

[Michael H. Noble]

Can someone please tell me the passing score for the new CCNA 2.0 exam?

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Switch 1900 version V9.00.03 (HELP, HELP, HELP)

[Juan Blanco]

Team,
There is a problem with the switch 1900 IOS version V9.00.03, These
switches are taking a very long time to keep in memory the new settings in
particular the VTP TRANSPARENT setting.  At this moment the only solution is
to configure the switch at the customer site and be aware that if the
customer power off  the switch the configuration will be erase. We called
the CISCO and they are aware of the problem but not solution.
  
  
Juan Blanco
ARC ) Allied Riser Communications Inc.
Boston Area Manager, Field Operations
Phone: 617.443.1940
Cell: 617.320.9860
www.ArcBroadband.com  
 

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Re: dlsw in lab

[Flem]

Don ,

You can use routers to create llc sessions over DLSw .
There is a feature called DSPU .


Let's say you have the following topology ;


router1--eth--router=router--eth--router2
<---DLSw--->

router1 will be DSPU PU ;


router1#(config)
router1#(config)dspu default-pu
router1#(config)interface Ethernet0/0
router1#(config-if)
router1#(config-if)dspu enable-pu lsap 4


router2 DSPU host ;

router2(config)dspu host FLEMISH xid-snd  rmac
0030.94ba.c820 rsap 4 lsap 4 interface Ethernet0/0 

router2#(config)interface Ethernet0/0
router2#(config-if)dspu enable-host lsap 4
router2#(config-if)dspu start FLEMISH

The rmac address in the dspu host line is the MAC of 
the ethernet interface on router1 . 
( As you know there are two things inportant to set up
the llc2 session , MAC/SAP pair :-)


check the config with ;

router#sh dspu
dspu pu DFLT0001 Ethernet0/0  PU STATUS Active
 FRAMES RECEIVED 1 FRAMES SENT 1
 LUs USED BY DSPU 0 LUs ACTIVE 0
 LUs USED BY API 0 LUs ACTIVE 0
 LUs ACTIVATED BY HOST BUT NOT USED 0
 
router#sh llc
LLC2 Connections: total of 1 connections
Ethernet0/0 DTE: 0030.94ba.c900 0030.94ba.c820 04 04
state NORMAL
   V(S)=1, V(R)=1, Last N(R)=1, Local window=7, Remote
Window=127
   akmax=7, n2=8, 
   xid-retry timer  0/0   ack timer  
0/1000  
   p timer  0/1000idle timer  
9600/1 
   rej timer0/3200busy timer 
0/9600  
   akdelay timer0/100 txQ count  
0/200   
 
router#


This is also good to test SAP filters . You can create
multiple sessions all with different lsap/rsap values
.
Please see inline ;

flem

--- Don Dettmore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm trying to work out some dlsw scenarios in the
> lab.  I want to test
> end-to-end connectivity between SNA stations over
> various dlsw
> configs, but I have no SNA hosts in the lab (I have
> an abundance of
> cisco routers and Micorsoft NT stations).
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> If I load Netbios (over IP) on my NT stations, and
> do Netbios name

This will not get into DLSw .
Only native netbios,SNA traffic are picked up by DLSW
.
( it is possible to get ip into dlsw to bridge it
accross  a wan , but this is not why you should use
DLSw )

> lookups over the dlsw simulated WAN, is this a valid
> test?
> 
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Archives -What happened to them?

[peter whittle]

Help!

I have just tried to get at the archives under the re-designed
GroupStudy.

All I get is a blank screen with a Document Done message.

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(I am using Netscape Communicator 4.7 on WIN95 PC)

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Re: BGP Question

[Ejay Hire]

Thanks for the help.  Sure enough, it says right there in the RFC.
Sometimes I'm amazed I make it home at night.  One of these days I'm going 
to get Dyslexic on the Freeway and end up in California.


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Reply-To: "Howard C. Berkowitz"
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Subject: Re: BGP Question
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 12:13:28 -0400
At 09:14 AM 9/14/2000 -0500, you wrote:
>From Reading the RFC, it seems the the Multi-Exit-Discriminator and the 
>Local-Preference fields do the same thing. Additionally, it appears that 
>they are not redistributed outside of their Home A/s.
>
>Questions: 1. What's the difference between them?
Local preference is internal and stays inside your AS. MED is external and
goes to directly connected AS.
>2. Do they do the same thing?
They are both ways of affecting route selection, but are intended to do
different things.
Also, a higher local pref is better, but a lower MED is better
>3. How do you advertise to the universe that you prefer traffic to come in 
>through one ASBR instead of another.
There's no guaranteed way to do this, but AS path prepending can influence 
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LS-1010 Question

[Kevin Wigle]

Dear Group,

I'm on a new contract and I'm cleaning up a lab config so I can do some
work.

The lab has a LS-1010.  This is the first time I've seen a 1010 in the flesh
so maybe this question is basic.

The 1010 has a 8 port OC3 blade and the supervisor.  The OC3s are in mod 0
and the sup in mod 2.

I've cleared the ATM configs on atm0/0/0 - atm0/0/3 and atm0/1/0 - atm0/1/3
with no problems - however the running config states that there is an
ATM2/0/0 somewhere.

Which I think is strange as Eth2/0/0 would be occupying the same mod!!?!

When I tried to clear the config, one of the commands said I had to shutdown
the interface before doing that.  When I tried to shut it down I was
promptly told that I couldn't do that.

So, the question is - is ATM2/0/0 a virtual system interface?  If it is -
how (or maybe why) does it occupy the same mod as the supervisor and the Eth
interface?

any info accepted!!  :-)

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BGP Loopback Update-source

[Hubert Pun]

Hi,

I am using the two loopback as the update sources between two BGP
external peers.  And I also have a OSPF running so that the routing
table for both router realize the other router's loopback

Router 1:
router bgp 2
 neighbor 10.44.1.1 remote-as 1
 neighbor 10.44.1.1 update-source Loopback1

Router 2:
router bgp 1
 neighbor 10.33.1.65 remote-as 2
 neighbor 10.33.1.65 update-source Loopback0


however, the bgp state is Idle, instead of establish.  Is it a bug in
the cisco software?

Thanks

Hubert


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Re: BGP Question

[Howard C. Berkowitz]

At 09:14 AM 9/14/2000 -0500, you wrote:
> From Reading the RFC, it seems the the Multi-Exit-Discriminator and the 
> Local-Preference fields do the same thing.  Additionally, it appears that 
> they are not redistributed outside of their Home A/s.
>
>Questions:
>1. What's the difference between them?

Local preference is internal and stays inside your AS. MED is external and 
goes to directly connected AS.

>2. Do they do the same thing?

They are both ways of affecting route selection, but are intended to do 
different things.
Also, a higher local pref is better, but a lower MED is better

>3. How do you advertise to the universe that you prefer traffic to come in 
>through one ASBR instead of another.


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Re: Cisco 802 remote access

[David]

You may find help by sending a sample from your current config...

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CCIE lab date swap

[Kenny Sallee]

I'm scheduled for Jan 13th in San Jose.  If 
anyone would like to swap dates with me preferrably in October/November please 
email or call me.
 
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RE: Which switches have inline power

[SINEATH, JOSEPH (AIT)]

Look at the WS-X6348-RJ45.

Regards,
Eric Sineath, CCIE #4504
Senior Consultant
SBC DataComm

-Original Message-
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To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED] '
Subject: Re: Which switches have inline power


A blade is produced for the 6509 which provides in-line power for the Cisco
VoIP phone.  

-Brad

At 07:54 PM 9/13/00 -0700, Dennis Laganiere wrote:
> I can't seem to find on the www.cisco.com site which switches have inline
>power, in otherwords, can power the VoIP phones.  Can anybody let me know
of
>send me a link?  Thanks...
> - Dennis
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RE: PLEASE STOP THIS out of track H1-B TOPIC

[Montgomery, Robert WARCOM Contractor]

Better yet, move it off of *study.com!!

-Original Message-
From: vlan2 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2000 8:24 AM
To: Manishkumar Patel; rtc9; Cisco_LIST
Subject: Re: PLEASE STOP THIS out of track H1-B TOPIC


Please move this discussion to the cisco jobs list.

- Original Message -
From: "Manishkumar Patel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: PLEASE STOP THIS out of track H1-B TOPIC

> While one can't deny that you are a mess, you never did mention anything
> about H-1B as indicated in your subject line.
>
> Now that the H-1B topic has degenerated to individual subscribers to
> Groupstudy using the list to unashamedly reveal the most personal details
of
> the Kafkaesque  nightmares that their lives are, perhaps we can move on to
> more relevant fare...
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Subject: One Asian's comments about H1-B
>
>
> >I was born in the US.
> >I think I'm different from a lot of Americans and Asians because I
was
> > born with ADD and severe depression and have been fighting it all my
life.
> > But I still think of myself as Asian.
> >   Once you have been at that depth of pain,your existence seems to just
> > transgress everything human.   I  kept on going in school &have got a
ME,
> > BSEE and MSEE , CNE, MSCE and CCNA.
> >   Anyway last week I finished 4th in a Triathlon. Once you have been at
> the
> > level of pain that ADD and depression can cause, the Triathlon doesnt
hurt
> > too much.
> >I try to work hard not so I can buy a big Mercedes or a huge house. I
> > think work is the main thing that keeps me going. I do have a Mercedes
but
> > its an old one I rebuilt froma junkyard.I have a house but I rebuilt it
> from
> > scrap/
> >   Anyway to be deep, there is something about our existence here much
> deeper
> > than being Asian.
> >   Its our search for the meaning of existence here, and its about our
> > wondering why we walk this way, and smiling when deep down everything
> inside
> > is beaten. Its about being proud when your very existence defines itself
> as
> > neurological signals telling you bad things about yourself because of
> > depression. Its about feeling unbeaten when evrything inside you wishes
> you
> > could lay down.
> >   And its about hope, that tomorrow this horrible fog will vanish and I
> walk
> > as other humans do. I realize I have missd much of the human
> experience--but
> > just to ber here in America is the biggest miracle of my life.
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Re: free Cisco VPN Book

[Michael Ashton]

I found my country, but I found it to be funny that no state was listed, just
county.  Perhaps this is designed as an international form.  The check boxes
said "please tick here" instead of "please check here".

Either way, thank you for the link!


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Re: ATM CONFIG

[Cthulu, CCIE Candidate]

Gil,


You did not give a lot of info here.  What is between the sides;  from your
email, I got this picture:

7206 ATM-Interface <-->'ACE A RAD'      'ACE A
RAD' <--> ATM-Interface Cat Switch


What is that "ACE a RAD" thing?   Is that your ATM switch?Are you
leasing ATM from a provider?  If so, unlikely that you have a SVC;
therefore, we can deal with PVC configuration.  Your provider, if this is
the case, should have given you the PVC's you are to use.



If you tell me more, I may be able to help.  Are you trying to configure
PVCs?  SVCs?  LANE?Do you own and operate that ACE thing?   Are you
leasing from a provider?I repeated myself!

Charles



First though
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> Hi all,
>
>
>I need to configure an ATM connection between two sites.
> On one site their is a Cisco 7206 router with an ATM card connected to
> something called ACE a RAD box that connects me to the other side, on the
> other side their is an ACE box that connect to a Cisco Catalyst 2900XL
> switch L3 with an ATM card as well.
> What I need to do is, and I don't have a clue how to do, to configure them
> both to talk IP.
> I need your help in configuring it.
> I tried configuring it in the switch but in the VPI part he is telling me
> that I can only enter the value of 0.
>
>
> Help will be most appriciated.
>
>
>   thank you in advance
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>
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Re: PLEASE STOP THIS out of track H1-B TOPIC

[vlan2]

Please move this discussion to the cisco jobs list.

- Original Message -
From: "Manishkumar Patel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: PLEASE STOP THIS out of track H1-B TOPIC

> While one can't deny that you are a mess, you never did mention anything
> about H-1B as indicated in your subject line.
>
> Now that the H-1B topic has degenerated to individual subscribers to
> Groupstudy using the list to unashamedly reveal the most personal details
of
> the Kafkaesque  nightmares that their lives are, perhaps we can move on to
> more relevant fare...
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Subject: One Asian's comments about H1-B
>
>
> >I was born in the US.
> >I think I'm different from a lot of Americans and Asians because I
was
> > born with ADD and severe depression and have been fighting it all my
life.
> > But I still think of myself as Asian.
> >   Once you have been at that depth of pain,your existence seems to just
> > transgress everything human.   I  kept on going in school &have got a
ME,
> > BSEE and MSEE , CNE, MSCE and CCNA.
> >   Anyway last week I finished 4th in a Triathlon. Once you have been at
> the
> > level of pain that ADD and depression can cause, the Triathlon doesnt
hurt
> > too much.
> >I try to work hard not so I can buy a big Mercedes or a huge house. I
> > think work is the main thing that keeps me going. I do have a Mercedes
but
> > its an old one I rebuilt froma junkyard.I have a house but I rebuilt it
> from
> > scrap/
> >   Anyway to be deep, there is something about our existence here much
> deeper
> > than being Asian.
> >   Its our search for the meaning of existence here, and its about our
> > wondering why we walk this way, and smiling when deep down everything
> inside
> > is beaten. Its about being proud when your very existence defines itself
> as
> > neurological signals telling you bad things about yourself because of
> > depression. Its about feeling unbeaten when evrything inside you wishes
> you
> > could lay down.
> >   And its about hope, that tomorrow this horrible fog will vanish and I
> walk
> > as other humans do. I realize I have missd much of the human
> experience--but
> > just to ber here in America is the biggest miracle of my life.
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RE: Would you back-burner your CCIE training for...Why not have it all????

[Hunter, Brian]

Why not have it all???
Netigy is a great company that is offering immediate hands on experience
with leading/bleeding edge technology + the opportunity to pursue CCIE
certification (we have hooked up with Knowledge Management for training,
have virtual labs, offer private lessons, and the chance to work with the
who's who of the industry), + pre-IPO stock options. We also realize that
stock options are a future promise of comp. In our case this future is quite
promising! In the meantime we know that you have become accustomed to a
certain lifestyle. We want you to maintain and improve this. That is why we
are offering better than industry average salary + bonus (for the right
here, right now). Bottom line:
immediate hands on experience, training for the future, PLUS great comp now
and in the future. Queen said it best: "I want it all and I want it now".
Can't go wrong with that!
Sincerely,
Brian Hunter
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-Original Message-
From: Scott Jordan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2000 9:46 AM
To: Traister, Blake (SBCI); 'Raymond Thomas'
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Would you back-burner your CCIE training for...


I am pressing hard for my CCIE certification however would value the chance
to work for such a company for several reasons.

1.  The challenge - realize and enjoy your achievements through life
experience
2.  The opportunity to excel - See comments on #1
3.  High paced, hands on work - don't get as much as I would like
4.  CCIE certification will be valid for a long time to come, why rush, do
it right the first time!

I can think of many more reasons but as one employer once said "slow down
and get there faster" rings true.  I'll take experience over certification
in a heartbeat. Of course that is just me, I'm US Airforce retired, secure
with finances and not really aiming at "the big paycheck".  Personally I
enjoying challenges and rewards for a job well done.  This same philosophy
kept me motivate through 21 years service in the military.

But that just me.

Scott
CCNP, MCSE, etc, etc.
www.geocities.com/sejordan2000

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From: "Traister, Blake (SBCI)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'Raymond Thomas'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2000 7:48 AM
Subject: RE: Would you back-burner your CCIE training for...


> Im very envious of all you people that have jobs with labs and lab time
(or
> at least after hours availability).  Frankly, if I had a job like that,
> there would be no way I would take this Pre IPO job that Mr Thomas is
> describing.  I work for an SBC affilliate, so I can only hope that the
upper
> management from SBC have finally taken the red pill.
>
> It sounds like a fabulous opportunity to me.  I have no problems with
> jumping in to heavy workloads as long as I have support.  Since I dont
lose
> my CCIE studying, its not that big of a loss to me.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Raymond Thomas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, September 08, 2000 1:46 AM
> To: Jobs@Groupstudy. Com
> Subject: Would you back-burner your CCIE training for...
>
>
> Hello all =) I have been working on a search for the PreIPO company that I
> emailed about last week and I found out something yesterday that I didn't
> know about. Since the company wants to go public by the end of this month,
> the workload with this company will be heavy for all, especially for the
> engineers. It's already heavy because that's the way it goes with any
> startup company. But anyhow, the case is the my candidate will not be able
> to study for his CCIE for a while. He will have a lot of hands on with
Cisco
> solutions, but no time for additional training for the first year. The
> trade-off however, is stock options and what they most likely be worth.
The
> company is going public the end of this month. The upper management team
> were the upper management from companies like Nortel, Bay, Ascend, Cisco,
> SBC and other power-house organizations. They were founded in 98 and
already
> raised 95M in VC funding. They strong partnerships with other
organizations
> in the industry. Just a lot of other details involved as well.
>
> My question to all is, would you back burner your CCIE training for a
while
> for a chance of the options which you'll know the value of in a short
amount
> of time, or would you rather pass because CCIE is a must, ASAP?
>
>
> God bless to all =)
> Raymond Thomas
> Lewis Consultants International, Inc.
> 295 Northern Blvd Suite 302
> Great Neck, NY 11021
> (516)498-2300 ext. 103
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RE: BGP question

[Deloso, Elmer G.]

Title: RE: BGP question





Hi,
From my own research/study on BGP i recall that:
Local Preference - preference given to a BGP route to compare it with other routes TO THE SAME destination.
        Since this is LOCAL to the AS, it does NOT get passed to EBGP neighbors. You use this..
        neighbor x.x.x.x route-map localpref in 
        and a defined ACL.
MED - is exchanged between AS (unlike the local preference which is not), but what comes into the AS from
    an external BGP speaker does not leave the receiving AS (non-transitive).
To influence routing paths or what can/can't be advertised, I've come across several ways:
1. Local Preference
2. MED
3. AS-path filtering
4. network number filtering
5. setting metrics on static routes
6. using a Private AS number and the command "remive-private-AS"
7. using the command "no-export" with COMMUNITY attribute


I've been able to implement most of these on my staging desk using two 2514s, one 2503, and a 4500.
Now I know what and how BGP works somewhat (versus NOTHING) in the previous week, but that's
after several days of studying and tring out different scenarios. And paying a visit  to the nearest
Cisco branch office and chatting with their Systems Engineer to verify my configs.


HTH,
Elmer Deloso

RE: You have received a George W. Bush Ecard from Matt Lange

[Montgomery, Robert WARCOM Contractor]

Hey!  I'm not whining...I think this rather funny.  

-Original Message-
From: John Kaberna [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2000 10:30 PM
To: James Wilson; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: You have received a George W. Bush Ecard from Matt Lange


Geez would you damn Democrats quit whining about this already?  I think he
got the picture.  I hope we dont have to hear ANY more replies on this.  I'd
rather have to delete the one spam email than delete the 15 complaints sent
to the ENTIRE group.  So, enough already!

John


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From: James Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2000 10:11 PM
Subject: RE: You have received a George W. Bush Ecard from Matt Lange


> Your spam has been reported to Hotmail.  Go spam somewhere else from
another
> Internet account, as this one should be toast very soon.
>
> -
> James D. Wilson, CCDA, MCP
> "non sunt multiplicanda entia praeter necessitatem"
> William of Ockham (1285-1347/49)
>
>
>
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>
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> address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To pick up your virtual postcard, go to the George W. Bush website at:
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RE: You have received a George W. Bush Ecard from Matt Lange

[Montgomery, Robert WARCOM Contractor]

Yes!  I have the answer to these people!!!  Now we won't have to deal with
the fraudulent emails and politically motivated emails: DELETE THE MESSAGE!

Signed -

A laughing Democrat

-Original Message-
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Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 4:43 AM
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Subject: RE: You have received a George W. Bush Ecard from Matt Lange


Matt!

Keep your politics OUT of my mailbox AND off of this maillist!!!

Paul,

This rates right up there with the ericsson e-mail fraud message. 
Can't something be done about these people?  


Brad Stanfield
Network/Integration Engineer
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Problem with Dialers

[SINEATH, JOSEPH (AIT)]

Take a look at debug ppp authentication. A flapping BRI like this may
indicate an authentication issue. Are you using pap, chap, or both? Make
sure that your security configuration is reflected on both routers.

Refer to
http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/cisintwk/itg_v1/tr1917.htm#xtocid117
1410.

Regards,
Eric Sineath, CCIE #4504
Senior Consultant
SBC DataComm

-Original Message-
From: Paco García [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2000 6:29 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Problem with Dialers


I have a connection problem with a cisco 760 and 801 connected to a 3620
over ISDN. The remote network connected to the 760 have experienced hangs in
the connection with the remote servers across ISDN line. When I look to the
console, I see this:

3d04h: %DIALER-6-BIND: Interface BRI1/1:1 bound to profile Dialer2
3d04h: %LINK-3-UPDOWN: Interface BRI1/1:1, changed state to up
3d04h: %ISDN-6-CONNECT: Interface BRI1/1:1 is now connected to 555965674
3d04h: %ISDN-6-LAYER2UP: Layer 2 for Interface BR1/0, TEI 66 changed to up
3d04h: %ISDN-6-LAYER2UP: Layer 2 for Interface BR1/1, TEI 67 changed to up
3d04h: %ISDN-6-DISCONNECT: Interface BRI1/1:1  disconnected from 555965674 ,
cal
l lasted 5 seconds
3d04h: %LINK-3-UPDOWN: Interface BRI1/1:1, changed state to down
3d04h: %DIALER-6-UNBIND: Interface BRI1/1:1 unbound from profile Dialer2
3d04h: %DIALER-6-BIND: Interface BRI1/0:2 bound to profile Dialer1
3d04h: %DIALER-6-BIND: Interface BRI1/1:2 bound to profile Dialer2
3d04h: %LINK-3-UPDOWN: Interface BRI1/0:2, changed state to up
3d04h: %ISDN-6-CONNECT: Interface BRI1/0:2 is now connected to 555965091
3d04h: %LINK-3-UPDOWN: Interface BRI1/1:2, changed state to up
3d04h: %ISDN-6-CONNECT: Interface BRI1/1:2 is now connected to 555965091
3d04h: %ISDN-6-CONNECT: Interface BRI1/0:2 is now connected to 555965091
3d04h: %ISDN-6-CONNECT: Interface BRI1/1:2 is now connected to 555965091
3d04h: %ISDN-6-DISCONNECT: Interface BRI1/0:2  disconnected from 555965091 ,
cal
l lasted 7 seconds
3d04h: %LINK-3-UPDOWN: Interface BRI1/0:2, changed state to down
3d04h: %DIALER-6-UNBIND: Interface BRI1/0:2 unbound from profile Dialer1
3d04h: %ISDN-6-DISCONNECT: Interface BRI1/1:2  disconnected from 555965091 ,
cal
l lasted 7 seconds
3d04h: %LINK-3-UPDOWN: Interface BRI1/1:2, changed state to down
3d04h: %DIALER-6-UNBIND: Interface BRI1/1:2 unbound from profile Dialer2
3d04h: %DIALER-6-BIND: Interface BRI1/0:1 bound to profile Dialer1
3d04h: %DIALER-6-BIND: Interface BRI1/1:1 bound to profile Dialer2
3d04h: %LINK-3-UPDOWN: Interface BRI1/0:1, changed state to up
3d04h: %LINK-3-UPDOWN: Interface BRI1/1:1, changed state to up
3d04h: %ISDN-6-DISCONNECT: Interface BRI1/0:1  disconnected from 555965091 ,
cal
l lasted 5 seconds
3d04h: %LINK-3-UPDOWN: Interface BRI1/0:1, changed state to down
3d04h: %DIALER-6-UNBIND: Interface BRI1/0:1 unbound from profile Dialer1
3d04h: %ISDN-6-DISCONNECT: Interface BRI1/1:1  disconnected from 555965091 ,
cal
l lasted 5 seconds
3d04h: %LINK-3-UPDOWN: Interface BRI1/1:1, changed state to down
3d04h: %DIALER-6-UNBIND: Interface BRI1/1:1 unbound from profile Dialer2
3d04h: %ISDN-6-LAYER2DOWN: Layer 2 for Interface BR1/0, TEI 66 changed to
down
3d04h: %ISDN-6-LAYER2DOWN: Layer 2 for Interface BR1/1, TEI 67 changed to
down
3d04h: %DIALER-6-BIND: Interface BRI1/1:1 bound to profile Dialer2
3d04h: %DIALER-6-BIND: Interface BRI1/0:1 bound to profile Dialer1
3d04h: %LINK-3-UPDOWN: Interface BRI1/1:1, changed state to up
3d04h: %ISDN-6-CONNECT: Interface BRI1/1:1 is now connected to 555965091
3d04h: %LINK-3-UPDOWN: Interface BRI1/0:1, changed state to up
3d04h: %ISDN-6-CONNECT: Interface BRI1/0:1 is now connected to 555965091
3d04h: %ISDN-6-LAYER2UP: Layer 2 for Interface BR1/1, TEI 67 changed to up
3d04h: %ISDN-6-LAYER2UP: Layer 2 for Interface BR1/0, TEI 66 changed to up
3d04h: %ISDN-6-DISCONNECT: Interface BRI1/1:1  disconnected from 555965091 ,
cal
l lasted 5 seconds
3d04h: %LINK-3-UPDOWN: Interface BRI1/1:1, changed state to down
3d04h: %DIALER-6-UNBIND: Interface BRI1/1:1 unbound from profile Dialer2
3d04h: %ISDN-6-DISCONNECT: Interface BRI1/0:1  disconnected from 555965091 ,
cal
l lasted 5 seconds
3d04h: %LINK-3-UPDOWN: Interface BRI1/0:1, changed state to down
3d04h: %DIALER-6-UNBIND: Interface BRI1/0:1 unbound from profile Dialer1
3d04h: %DIALER-6-BIND: Interface BRI1/1:1 bound to profile Dialer2
3d04h: %DIALER-6-BIND: Interface BRI1/0:1 bound to profile Dialer1
3d04h: %LINK-3-UPDOWN: Interface BRI1/1:1, changed state to up
3d04h: %ISDN-6-CONNECT: Interface BRI1/1:1 is now connected to 555965091
3d04h: %LINK-3-UPDOWN: Interface BRI1/0:1, changed state to up
3d04h: %ISDN-6-CONNECT: Interface BRI1/0:1 is now connected to 555965091
3d04h: %ISDN-6-DISCONNECT: Interface BRI1/1:1  disconnected from 555965091 ,
cal
l lasted 1 seconds
3d04h: %LINK-3-UPDOWN: Interface BRI1/1:1, changed state to down
3d04h: %DIALER-6-UNBIND: Interface BRI1/1:1 unbound from profile Dialer2
3d04h: %LINEPROTO-5-U