Re: CCIE Lab Setup [7:73612]
It is for RS (ccie) Thanks From: Nakul Malik Reply-To: Nakul Malik To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CCIE Lab Setup [7:73612] Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 16:00:46 GMT Which track are you studying for? If you need a PIX and like most of us cant afford to buy everything you need for your lab, i would suggest building your own. I dont know how this stands legally, but from a technical aspect it is possible to build your own PIX clone. You can find detailed documentation on the net on how to do this. -Nakul David Power wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello, I have three 2500 routers (2x2503 and 1x2514) with the budget of 1000$ I am planning to buy some more routers for my CCIE home lab. Which routers or switches I must have ( with in my $ limits or couple hundred more). Every suggestion will be appreciated David _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html _ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=73620t=73612 -- **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html
2x2610 vs 2600 + 3640: WAS Re: CCIE Lab Setup [7:73612]
Vijay Ramcharan wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Not exactly related to this but... Are there any drawbacks to using (2) 2610s for a lab instead of a 2600 and a 3640 router? JMHO, what you should be looking for is sufficient ports to run complex practice scenarios and routers capable of running the IOS version that is current in the Lab. \specific models may or may not be of importance. ( as an aside, I laugh my ass off every time I read a post from someone expressing worry about the announced changes in IOS and addition of a 3725 to the Lab. At least when the 3550 switch was introduced there was reason for some apprehension, ans nono of the rental racks had a 3550 in them ). after all, a router is a router, and the routing protocol commands will work exactly the same on a 25xx, 26xx, 36xx, etc. I'm currently focusing on 12.2.something.Tsomething 12.2.15(T5) maybe -everything is off at the moment. I don't know about the 2610, but the 2611 is capable of running dot1q and ISL trunks, plus if you use the enterprise basic image you can do IS-IS, BGP, and MPLS. Vijay Ramcharan -Original Message- From: Natchaya Radhikulkaralak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 7:44 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CCIE Lab Setup [7:73612] Doesnt the vConsole ISDN simulator able to use SPIDs? Even though it is 525 dollars... I thought it did use spids. When you state to use a backbone router... what do you mean? Thomas Larus wrote: With $1,000 dollars, I would first buy a 4 port frame switch router, perhaps a 2520. I say 2520, not 2521 (Token ring), because the ethernet port on the 2520 allows it to serve as an additional router-- perhaps a backbone router that you would connect to using ethernet. $200-$300, if you are lucky. A 4500 with a NP-4T might be even better (but loud!!) This will take perhaps 300 dollars or so. You could add another 4 serial ints and/or a bunch of ethernet ints, and this could definitely serve as a full-fledged lab router as well as a frame switch. If you can find a cheap ISDN simulator (vConsole or Euro ISDN PBX gizmo that only does Basic-Net3 and no spids) for $400-500, you probably ought to buy it, since you already have two ISDN capable routers. Then a 1900 or 2820 switch for $100 to $200 so you have a VLAN-capable switch. If you have enough money left over, you could pick up one more 2501. (Always buy a 2503 or 2514 if you can get it for a little more than a 2501, of course.) It's not a first-rate lab, but it is enough of you to learn a lot of the most difficult lessons. You could go for more routers and no ISDN sim, but ISDN can be such a tricky technology it is worth spending a lot of time on. This is a close call, though. Tom Larus, CCIE #10,014 David Power wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello, I have three 2500 routers (2x2503 and 1x2514) with the budget of 1000$ I am planning to buy some more routers for my CCIE home lab. Which routers or switches I must have ( with in my $ limits or couple hundred more). Every suggestion will be appreciated David _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=73855t=73612 -- **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html
RE: 2x2610 vs 2600 + 3640: WAS Re: CCIE Lab Setup [7:73612]
On this same thread... What are the recommendations for ATM lab hardware? Can ATM be practiced with ATM ports connected back-to-back or is it necessary to get an ATM switch also? Thanks. Vijay Ramcharan -Original Message- From: Chuck Whose Road is Ever Shorter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 11:21 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: 2x2610 vs 2600 + 3640: WAS Re: CCIE Lab Setup [7:73612] Vijay Ramcharan wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Not exactly related to this but... Are there any drawbacks to using (2) 2610s for a lab instead of a 2600 and a 3640 router? JMHO, what you should be looking for is sufficient ports to run complex practice scenarios and routers capable of running the IOS version that is current in the Lab. \specific models may or may not be of importance. ( as an aside, I laugh my ass off every time I read a post from someone expressing worry about the announced changes in IOS and addition of a 3725 to the Lab. At least when the 3550 switch was introduced there was reason for some apprehension, ans nono of the rental racks had a 3550 in them ). after all, a router is a router, and the routing protocol commands will work exactly the same on a 25xx, 26xx, 36xx, etc. I'm currently focusing on 12.2.something.Tsomething 12.2.15(T5) maybe -everything is off at the moment. I don't know about the 2610, but the 2611 is capable of running dot1q and ISL trunks, plus if you use the enterprise basic image you can do IS-IS, BGP, and MPLS. Vijay Ramcharan -Original Message- From: Natchaya Radhikulkaralak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 7:44 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CCIE Lab Setup [7:73612] Doesnt the vConsole ISDN simulator able to use SPIDs? Even though it is 525 dollars... I thought it did use spids. When you state to use a backbone router... what do you mean? Thomas Larus wrote: With $1,000 dollars, I would first buy a 4 port frame switch router, perhaps a 2520. I say 2520, not 2521 (Token ring), because the ethernet port on the 2520 allows it to serve as an additional router-- perhaps a backbone router that you would connect to using ethernet. $200-$300, if you are lucky. A 4500 with a NP-4T might be even better (but loud!!) This will take perhaps 300 dollars or so. You could add another 4 serial ints and/or a bunch of ethernet ints, and this could definitely serve as a full-fledged lab router as well as a frame switch. If you can find a cheap ISDN simulator (vConsole or Euro ISDN PBX gizmo that only does Basic-Net3 and no spids) for $400-500, you probably ought to buy it, since you already have two ISDN capable routers. Then a 1900 or 2820 switch for $100 to $200 so you have a VLAN-capable switch. If you have enough money left over, you could pick up one more 2501. (Always buy a 2503 or 2514 if you can get it for a little more than a 2501, of course.) It's not a first-rate lab, but it is enough of you to learn a lot of the most difficult lessons. You could go for more routers and no ISDN sim, but ISDN can be such a tricky technology it is worth spending a lot of time on. This is a close call, though. Tom Larus, CCIE #10,014 David Power wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello, I have three 2500 routers (2x2503 and 1x2514) with the budget of 1000$ I am planning to buy some more routers for my CCIE home lab. Which routers or switches I must have ( with in my $ limits or couple hundred more). Every suggestion will be appreciated David _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=73918t=73612 -- **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html
RE: 2x2610 vs 2600 + 3640: WAS Re: CCIE Lab Setup [7:73612]
From what I have heard, you are not asked to configure ATM switches, so back to back connection would be ok. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=73930t=73612 -- **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html
RE: 2x2610 vs 2600 + 3640: WAS Re: CCIE Lab Setup [7:73953]
Since you don't have any access to the ATM switch on the exam it follows that you don't need to know how to configure it. There are things such as ILMI/QSAAL with auto pvc discovery that may not function the same on a point to point link versus having a switch in the middle. Just a thought. Ian http://www.ccie4u.com Rack Rentals and Lab Scenarios starting at $20 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 1:36 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: 2x2610 vs 2600 + 3640: WAS Re: CCIE Lab Setup [7:73612] From what I have heard, you are not asked to configure ATM switches, so back to back connection would be ok. **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=73953t=73953 -- **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html
RE: CCIE Lab Setup [7:73612]
I know that having two 2610s... you could not train on 802.1q or ISL. Well, actually you can perform 802.1q but you must have IOS 12.2T series IOS. I know that is one drawback because I have concerns for having a couple of 2610s but I also have a 3640 too. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=73761t=73612 -- **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html
Re: CCIE Lab Setup [7:73612]
I'd get an ISDN simulator, and something to use as a frame-relay switch (2520, 2521, 2522, or 2523). Those would be my recommendations for what to purchase next. After that, add a 2511 (or equiv for access-serv), and then add a 3550 on. thanks, -Brad Ellis CCIE#5796 (RS / Security) Network Learning Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ccbootcamp.com (cisco training) David Power wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello, I have three 2500 routers (2x2503 and 1x2514) with the budget of 1000$ I am planning to buy some more routers for my CCIE home lab. Which routers or switches I must have ( with in my $ limits or couple hundred more). Every suggestion will be appreciated David _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=73621t=73612 -- **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html
RE: 2x2610 vs 2600 + 3640: WAS Re: CCIE Lab Setup [7:73612]
Actually, that is not true. A 2611 can do 802.1Q inter-vlan routing but cannot do ISL trunking. Of course, I am getting this information from the Cisco website... but if you know differently... please inform me. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=73857t=73612 -- **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html
Re: CCIE Lab Setup [7:73612]
Which track are you studying for? If you need a PIX and like most of us cant afford to buy everything you need for your lab, i would suggest building your own. I dont know how this stands legally, but from a technical aspect it is possible to build your own PIX clone. You can find detailed documentation on the net on how to do this. -Nakul David Power wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello, I have three 2500 routers (2x2503 and 1x2514) with the budget of 1000$ I am planning to buy some more routers for my CCIE home lab. Which routers or switches I must have ( with in my $ limits or couple hundred more). Every suggestion will be appreciated David _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=73616t=73612 -- **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html
RE: CCIE Lab Setup [7:73612]
Not exactly related to this but... Are there any drawbacks to using (2) 2610s for a lab instead of a 2600 and a 3640 router? Vijay Ramcharan -Original Message- From: Natchaya Radhikulkaralak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 7:44 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CCIE Lab Setup [7:73612] Doesnt the vConsole ISDN simulator able to use SPIDs? Even though it is 525 dollars... I thought it did use spids. When you state to use a backbone router... what do you mean? Thomas Larus wrote: With $1,000 dollars, I would first buy a 4 port frame switch router, perhaps a 2520. I say 2520, not 2521 (Token ring), because the ethernet port on the 2520 allows it to serve as an additional router-- perhaps a backbone router that you would connect to using ethernet. $200-$300, if you are lucky. A 4500 with a NP-4T might be even better (but loud!!) This will take perhaps 300 dollars or so. You could add another 4 serial ints and/or a bunch of ethernet ints, and this could definitely serve as a full-fledged lab router as well as a frame switch. If you can find a cheap ISDN simulator (vConsole or Euro ISDN PBX gizmo that only does Basic-Net3 and no spids) for $400-500, you probably ought to buy it, since you already have two ISDN capable routers. Then a 1900 or 2820 switch for $100 to $200 so you have a VLAN-capable switch. If you have enough money left over, you could pick up one more 2501. (Always buy a 2503 or 2514 if you can get it for a little more than a 2501, of course.) It's not a first-rate lab, but it is enough of you to learn a lot of the most difficult lessons. You could go for more routers and no ISDN sim, but ISDN can be such a tricky technology it is worth spending a lot of time on. This is a close call, though. Tom Larus, CCIE #10,014 David Power wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello, I have three 2500 routers (2x2503 and 1x2514) with the budget of 1000$ I am planning to buy some more routers for my CCIE home lab. Which routers or switches I must have ( with in my $ limits or couple hundred more). Every suggestion will be appreciated David _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=73746t=73612 -- **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html
Re: CCIE Lab Setup [7:73612]
With $1,000 dollars, I would first buy a 4 port frame switch router, perhaps a 2520. I say 2520, not 2521 (Token ring), because the ethernet port on the 2520 allows it to serve as an additional router-- perhaps a backbone router that you would connect to using ethernet. $200-$300, if you are lucky. A 4500 with a NP-4T might be even better (but loud!!) This will take perhaps 300 dollars or so. You could add another 4 serial ints and/or a bunch of ethernet ints, and this could definitely serve as a full-fledged lab router as well as a frame switch. If you can find a cheap ISDN simulator (vConsole or Euro ISDN PBX gizmo that only does Basic-Net3 and no spids) for $400-500, you probably ought to buy it, since you already have two ISDN capable routers. Then a 1900 or 2820 switch for $100 to $200 so you have a VLAN-capable switch. If you have enough money left over, you could pick up one more 2501. (Always buy a 2503 or 2514 if you can get it for a little more than a 2501, of course.) It's not a first-rate lab, but it is enough of you to learn a lot of the most difficult lessons. You could go for more routers and no ISDN sim, but ISDN can be such a tricky technology it is worth spending a lot of time on. This is a close call, though. Tom Larus, CCIE #10,014 David Power wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello, I have three 2500 routers (2x2503 and 1x2514) with the budget of 1000$ I am planning to buy some more routers for my CCIE home lab. Which routers or switches I must have ( with in my $ limits or couple hundred more). Every suggestion will be appreciated David _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=73623t=73612 -- **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html
Re: CCIE Lab Setup [7:73612]
Doesnt the vConsole ISDN simulator able to use SPIDs? Even though it is 525 dollars... I thought it did use spids. When you state to use a backbone router... what do you mean? Thomas Larus wrote: With $1,000 dollars, I would first buy a 4 port frame switch router, perhaps a 2520. I say 2520, not 2521 (Token ring), because the ethernet port on the 2520 allows it to serve as an additional router-- perhaps a backbone router that you would connect to using ethernet. $200-$300, if you are lucky. A 4500 with a NP-4T might be even better (but loud!!) This will take perhaps 300 dollars or so. You could add another 4 serial ints and/or a bunch of ethernet ints, and this could definitely serve as a full-fledged lab router as well as a frame switch. If you can find a cheap ISDN simulator (vConsole or Euro ISDN PBX gizmo that only does Basic-Net3 and no spids) for $400-500, you probably ought to buy it, since you already have two ISDN capable routers. Then a 1900 or 2820 switch for $100 to $200 so you have a VLAN-capable switch. If you have enough money left over, you could pick up one more 2501. (Always buy a 2503 or 2514 if you can get it for a little more than a 2501, of course.) It's not a first-rate lab, but it is enough of you to learn a lot of the most difficult lessons. You could go for more routers and no ISDN sim, but ISDN can be such a tricky technology it is worth spending a lot of time on. This is a close call, though. Tom Larus, CCIE #10,014 David Power wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello, I have three 2500 routers (2x2503 and 1x2514) with the budget of 1000$ I am planning to buy some more routers for my CCIE home lab. Which routers or switches I must have ( with in my $ limits or couple hundred more). Every suggestion will be appreciated David _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=73695t=73612 -- **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html
RE: CCIE Lab experience! [7:73263]
ALL lab books will help - I've been working in Networking for nearly ten years, with Cisco products for 6-7 years - mainly in the field. I only attempted the lab to get extra time to do it used 1 LAB Study Guide (Hutnik/Satterlee) some old sample labs. They ask you to do so much with a small lab (6 or 7 devices) it's difficult to comprehend before you see it. Just practice getting all your L2 stuff done quickly, get IP working with no fuss, your IGP's done with no reference manuals - this will leave you with enough time to ponder over which way to do all the tricky bits. There's always 3 ways to skin the Cisco cat they want you to know the reasons why you should use all of them. I will be going for it again soon - when I have time I intend to pass. -Original Message- From: alaerte Vidali [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 31 July 2003 18:41 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: CCIE Lab experience! [7:73263] Hi Joel, After doing the lab could you tell us if there was Labs books that helped you? (and which one does not even get closed?) Thanks === This message has been checked for all known viruses by the Sirocom Virus Scanning Service === === This message has been checked for all known viruses by the Sirocom Virus Scanning Service WWW.SIROCOM.COM === Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=73334t=73263 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE Lab experience! [7:73263]
Reimer, Fred wrote: As far as I understand, the lab is not 2 days anymore. It is only one day. And they don't break things and have you find and fix them. You just have to configure the network correctly and answer some questions. You could pass the lab by just reading books, but you'd have to have a pretty special ability to understand things without actually configuring them on a real router. Fred Reimer - CCNA Yes I would think you'd have to have a very special ability to be able to pass the lab by reading only books, no hands on experience!!! Dave Eclipsys Corporation, 200 Ashford Center North, Atlanta, GA 30338 Phone: 404-847-5177 Cell: 770-490-3071 Pager: 888-260-2050 NOTICE; This email contains confidential or proprietary information which may be legally privileged. It is intended only for the named recipient(s). If an addressing or transmission error has misdirected the email, please notify the author by replying to this message. If you are not the named recipient, you are not authorized to use, disclose, distribute, copy, print or rely on this email, and should immediately delete it from your computer. -Original Message- From: Alex Cosic [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 10:52 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CCIE Lab experience! [7:73263] Hi there, I have finished my CCNP exam. Well, I live in Sydney, Australia and I still could not find job. I wish to carry on with CCIE. I do not have problem with passing writing CCIE exam, but what about practical exam of 2 days duration. I have found some programs on the net. But is it enough to pass without practice. I have passed my CCNP by only reading books and downloading simulation programs. Can somebody give me advice whether I could carry on without real hand on experince? Is there some way to volonteer to work for free? Is there some way to get free CCIE Lab experience? Thanks in advance Alex -- David Madland CCIE# 2016 Sr. Network Engineer Qwest Communications 612-664-3367 Government can do something for the people only in proportion as it can do something to the people. -- Thomas Jefferson Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=73274t=73263 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CCIE Lab experience! [7:73263]
Alex, Congratulations on passing your NP exam(s). The lab exam is no longer the 2 day format. Details can be found at the following URL: http://www.cisco.com/en/US/learning/le3/le11/learning_ccie_lab_exam.html You must have more than just knowledge, but also speed - the ability to type very fast is even beneficial due to the length and quantity of configurations you will need to create and manipulate. There are several companies that offer lab simulations and remote access to their racks - this might be helpful since you say you've already got the understanding - just need the practical... Bill Creighton CCNP Network Design Engineer, eVPN NSPM ATT Business Service Delivery -Original Message- From: Alex Cosic [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 9:52 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CCIE Lab experience! [7:73263] Hi there, I have finished my CCNP exam. Well, I live in Sydney, Australia and I still could not find job. I wish to carry on with CCIE. I do not have problem with passing writing CCIE exam, but what about practical exam of 2 days duration. I have found some programs on the net. But is it enough to pass without practice. I have passed my CCNP by only reading books and downloading simulation programs. Can somebody give me advice whether I could carry on without real hand on experince? Is there some way to volonteer to work for free? Is there some way to get free CCIE Lab experience? Thanks in advance Alex Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=73277t=73263 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CCIE Lab experience! [7:73263]
The day I meet ANYONE who can pass the CCIE lab by reading alone and no practical experience on a router or switch is the day I stop pursuing my Cisco certs. Bill Creighton CCNP Network Design Engineer, eVPN NSPM ATT Business Service Delivery -Original Message- From: Reimer, Fred [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 8:04 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: CCIE Lab experience! [7:73263] As far as I understand, the lab is not 2 days anymore. It is only one day. And they don't break things and have you find and fix them. You just have to configure the network correctly and answer some questions. You could pass the lab by just reading books, but you'd have to have a pretty special ability to understand things without actually configuring them on a real router. Fred Reimer - CCNA Eclipsys Corporation, 200 Ashford Center North, Atlanta, GA 30338 Phone: 404-847-5177 Cell: 770-490-3071 Pager: 888-260-2050 NOTICE; This email contains confidential or proprietary information which may be legally privileged. It is intended only for the named recipient(s). If an addressing or transmission error has misdirected the email, please notify the author by replying to this message. If you are not the named recipient, you are not authorized to use, disclose, distribute, copy, print or rely on this email, and should immediately delete it from your computer. -Original Message- From: Alex Cosic [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 10:52 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CCIE Lab experience! [7:73263] Hi there, I have finished my CCNP exam. Well, I live in Sydney, Australia and I still could not find job. I wish to carry on with CCIE. I do not have problem with passing writing CCIE exam, but what about practical exam of 2 days duration. I have found some programs on the net. But is it enough to pass without practice. I have passed my CCNP by only reading books and downloading simulation programs. Can somebody give me advice whether I could carry on without real hand on experince? Is there some way to volonteer to work for free? Is there some way to get free CCIE Lab experience? Thanks in advance Alex Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=73278t=73263 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I took the lab recently (before my time ran out) there is a full day of config to do. Lots of everything some nice little surprises. A couple of the guys on the same day were caught out by the wording the way the questions were structured. You have to be able to understand it fully before you start working. Otherwise, it's back to the start you've wasted an hour. -Original Message- From: Reimer, Fred [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 31 July 2003 14:04 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: CCIE Lab experience! [7:73263] As far as I understand, the lab is not 2 days anymore. It is only one day. And they don't break things and have you find and fix them. You just have to configure the network correctly and answer some questions. You could pass the lab by just reading books, but you'd have to have a pretty special ability to understand things without actually configuring them on a real router. Fred Reimer - CCNA Eclipsys Corporation, 200 Ashford Center North, Atlanta, GA 30338 Phone: 404-847-5177 Cell: 770-490-3071 Pager: 888-260-2050 NOTICE; This email contains confidential or proprietary information which may be legally privileged. It is intended only for the named recipient(s). If an addressing or transmission error has misdirected the email, please notify the author by replying to this message. If you are not the named recipient, you are not authorized to use, disclose, distribute, copy, print or rely on this email, and should immediately delete it from your computer. -Original Message- From: Alex Cosic [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 10:52 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CCIE Lab experience! [7:73263] Hi there, I have finished my CCNP exam. Well, I live in Sydney, Australia and I still could not find job. I wish to carry on with CCIE. I do not have problem with passing writing CCIE exam, but what about practical exam of 2 days duration. I have found some programs on the net. But is it enough to pass without practice. I have passed my CCNP by only reading books and downloading simulation programs. Can somebody give me advice whether I could carry on without real hand on experince? Is there some way to volonteer to work for free? Is there some way to get free CCIE Lab experience? Thanks in advance Alex === This message has been checked for all known viruses by the Sirocom Virus Scanning Service === === This message has been checked for all known viruses by the Sirocom Virus Scanning Service WWW.SIROCOM.COM === Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=73286t=73263 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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hehehe ye. I'll do the same Creighton, Bill, NSPM wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The day I meet ANYONE who can pass the CCIE lab by reading alone and no practical experience on a router or switch is the day I stop pursuing my Cisco certs. Bill Creighton CCNP Network Design Engineer, eVPN NSPM ATT Business Service Delivery -Original Message- From: Reimer, Fred [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 8:04 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: CCIE Lab experience! [7:73263] As far as I understand, the lab is not 2 days anymore. It is only one day. And they don't break things and have you find and fix them. You just have to configure the network correctly and answer some questions. You could pass the lab by just reading books, but you'd have to have a pretty special ability to understand things without actually configuring them on a real router. Fred Reimer - CCNA Eclipsys Corporation, 200 Ashford Center North, Atlanta, GA 30338 Phone: 404-847-5177 Cell: 770-490-3071 Pager: 888-260-2050 NOTICE; This email contains confidential or proprietary information which may be legally privileged. It is intended only for the named recipient(s). If an addressing or transmission error has misdirected the email, please notify the author by replying to this message. If you are not the named recipient, you are not authorized to use, disclose, distribute, copy, print or rely on this email, and should immediately delete it from your computer. -Original Message- From: Alex Cosic [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 10:52 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CCIE Lab experience! [7:73263] Hi there, I have finished my CCNP exam. Well, I live in Sydney, Australia and I still could not find job. I wish to carry on with CCIE. I do not have problem with passing writing CCIE exam, but what about practical exam of 2 days duration. I have found some programs on the net. But is it enough to pass without practice. I have passed my CCNP by only reading books and downloading simulation programs. Can somebody give me advice whether I could carry on without real hand on experince? Is there some way to volonteer to work for free? Is there some way to get free CCIE Lab experience? Thanks in advance Alex Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=73283t=73263 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Creighton, Bill, NSPM wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The day I meet ANYONE who can pass the CCIE lab by reading alone and no practical experience on a router or switch is the day I stop pursuing my Cisco certs. I don't know. Superman became a skilled surgeon just by readng the medical library at a major university. ( I guess I'm dating myself here. That particular comic book episode has to have happened several decades ago ;- ) Bill Creighton CCNP Network Design Engineer, eVPN NSPM ATT Business Service Delivery -Original Message- From: Reimer, Fred [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 8:04 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: CCIE Lab experience! [7:73263] As far as I understand, the lab is not 2 days anymore. It is only one day. And they don't break things and have you find and fix them. You just have to configure the network correctly and answer some questions. You could pass the lab by just reading books, but you'd have to have a pretty special ability to understand things without actually configuring them on a real router. Fred Reimer - CCNA Eclipsys Corporation, 200 Ashford Center North, Atlanta, GA 30338 Phone: 404-847-5177 Cell: 770-490-3071 Pager: 888-260-2050 NOTICE; This email contains confidential or proprietary information which may be legally privileged. It is intended only for the named recipient(s). If an addressing or transmission error has misdirected the email, please notify the author by replying to this message. If you are not the named recipient, you are not authorized to use, disclose, distribute, copy, print or rely on this email, and should immediately delete it from your computer. -Original Message- From: Alex Cosic [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 10:52 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CCIE Lab experience! [7:73263] Hi there, I have finished my CCNP exam. Well, I live in Sydney, Australia and I still could not find job. I wish to carry on with CCIE. I do not have problem with passing writing CCIE exam, but what about practical exam of 2 days duration. I have found some programs on the net. But is it enough to pass without practice. I have passed my CCNP by only reading books and downloading simulation programs. Can somebody give me advice whether I could carry on without real hand on experince? Is there some way to volonteer to work for free? Is there some way to get free CCIE Lab experience? Thanks in advance Alex Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=73282t=73263 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Joel, After doing the lab could you tell us if there was Labs books that helped you? (and which one does not even get closed?) Thanks Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=73296t=73263 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Team, Your opinion is always accepted as a good advice...Question if you are at a point where you are running out of time for the lab, what will be more efficient, take the lab (spend $2000[traveling and the lab fees]) or let your written qualifications expired and take it again[spend $300]... Thanks, Juan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Joel Satterley Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 12:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: CCIE Lab experience! [7:73263] I took the lab recently (before my time ran out) there is a full day of config to do. Lots of everything some nice little surprises. A couple of the guys on the same day were caught out by the wording the way the questions were structured. You have to be able to understand it fully before you start working. Otherwise, it's back to the start you've wasted an hour. -Original Message- From: Reimer, Fred [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 31 July 2003 14:04 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: CCIE Lab experience! [7:73263] As far as I understand, the lab is not 2 days anymore. It is only one day. And they don't break things and have you find and fix them. You just have to configure the network correctly and answer some questions. You could pass the lab by just reading books, but you'd have to have a pretty special ability to understand things without actually configuring them on a real router. Fred Reimer - CCNA Eclipsys Corporation, 200 Ashford Center North, Atlanta, GA 30338 Phone: 404-847-5177 Cell: 770-490-3071 Pager: 888-260-2050 NOTICE; This email contains confidential or proprietary information which may be legally privileged. It is intended only for the named recipient(s). If an addressing or transmission error has misdirected the email, please notify the author by replying to this message. If you are not the named recipient, you are not authorized to use, disclose, distribute, copy, print or rely on this email, and should immediately delete it from your computer. -Original Message- From: Alex Cosic [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 10:52 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CCIE Lab experience! [7:73263] Hi there, I have finished my CCNP exam. Well, I live in Sydney, Australia and I still could not find job. I wish to carry on with CCIE. I do not have problem with passing writing CCIE exam, but what about practical exam of 2 days duration. I have found some programs on the net. But is it enough to pass without practice. I have passed my CCNP by only reading books and downloading simulation programs. Can somebody give me advice whether I could carry on without real hand on experince? Is there some way to volonteer to work for free? Is there some way to get free CCIE Lab experience? Thanks in advance Alex === This message has been checked for all known viruses by the Sirocom Virus Scanning Service === === This message has been checked for all known viruses by the Sirocom Virus Scanning Service WWW.SIROCOM.COM === Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=73294t=73263 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CCIE Lab experience! [7:73263]
I just can't see it happening (pass the CCIE lab with only reading books). I'm a CCNP/CCDP with a good, solid three years of hands-on Cisco experience under my belt and can't believe what I've learned by being able to actually configure and troubleshoot the equipment. There's no way that I could get that from just reading books. And I still don't feel prepared to tackle the CCIE lab yet! If you can't afford your own equipment, see if you can find a study group in your area. Most times, many members of the group already have all the equipment and you can work on scenarios together. Or, you can actually rent rack time very cheaply now if you want some hands-on practice. HTH, Shawn K. -Original Message- From: Alex Cosic [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 10:52 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CCIE Lab experience! [7:73263] Hi there, I have finished my CCNP exam. Well, I live in Sydney, Australia and I still could not find job. I wish to carry on with CCIE. I do not have problem with passing writing CCIE exam, but what about practical exam of 2 days duration. I have found some programs on the net. But is it enough to pass without practice. I have passed my CCNP by only reading books and downloading simulation programs. Can somebody give me advice whether I could carry on without real hand on experince? Is there some way to volonteer to work for free? Is there some way to get free CCIE Lab experience? Thanks in advance Alex Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=73295t=73263 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Depends on confidence, preparation, and budget - if I were not confident in my ability to pass, and I couldn't afford to blow $2K, I'd likely get a fresh 18 months and re-do the written. If, on the other hand, I could afford it, I'd get that initial attempt out of the way, since first-time passers are so rare, and then concentrate on the weak points. Bill Creighton CCNP Network Design Engineer, eVPN NSPM ATT Business Service Delivery 231 Martingale Rd. Suite 800 Schaumburg, IL 60173-2008 Office: 847-407-4108 Fax: 847-598-6400 Mobile: 630-290-7000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Juan Blanco [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 12:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: CCIE Lab experience! [7:73263] Team, Your opinion is always accepted as a good advice...Question if you are at a point where you are running out of time for the lab, what will be more efficient, take the lab (spend $2000[traveling and the lab fees]) or let your written qualifications expired and take it again[spend $300]... Thanks, Juan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Joel Satterley Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 12:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: CCIE Lab experience! [7:73263] I took the lab recently (before my time ran out) there is a full day of config to do. Lots of everything some nice little surprises. A couple of the guys on the same day were caught out by the wording the way the questions were structured. You have to be able to understand it fully before you start working. Otherwise, it's back to the start you've wasted an hour. -Original Message- From: Reimer, Fred [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 31 July 2003 14:04 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: CCIE Lab experience! [7:73263] As far as I understand, the lab is not 2 days anymore. It is only one day. And they don't break things and have you find and fix them. You just have to configure the network correctly and answer some questions. You could pass the lab by just reading books, but you'd have to have a pretty special ability to understand things without actually configuring them on a real router. Fred Reimer - CCNA Eclipsys Corporation, 200 Ashford Center North, Atlanta, GA 30338 Phone: 404-847-5177 Cell: 770-490-3071 Pager: 888-260-2050 NOTICE; This email contains confidential or proprietary information which may be legally privileged. It is intended only for the named recipient(s). If an addressing or transmission error has misdirected the email, please notify the author by replying to this message. If you are not the named recipient, you are not authorized to use, disclose, distribute, copy, print or rely on this email, and should immediately delete it from your computer. -Original Message- From: Alex Cosic [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 10:52 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CCIE Lab experience! [7:73263] Hi there, I have finished my CCNP exam. Well, I live in Sydney, Australia and I still could not find job. I wish to carry on with CCIE. I do not have problem with passing writing CCIE exam, but what about practical exam of 2 days duration. I have found some programs on the net. But is it enough to pass without practice. I have passed my CCNP by only reading books and downloading simulation programs. Can somebody give me advice whether I could carry on without real hand on experince? Is there some way to volonteer to work for free? Is there some way to get free CCIE Lab experience? Thanks in advance Alex === This message has been checked for all known viruses by the Sirocom Virus Scanning Service === === This message has been checked for all known viruses by the Sirocom Virus Scanning Service WWW.SIROCOM.COM === Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=73307t=73263 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I'd take the lab the experience will help you a lot - less pressure for the next 'real' attempt. But then, I wasn't paying. -Original Message- From: Juan Blanco [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 31 July 2003 18:35 To: 'Joel Satterley'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: CCIE Lab experience! [7:73263] Team, Your opinion is always accepted as a good advice...Question if you are at a point where you are running out of time for the lab, what will be more efficient, take the lab (spend $2000[traveling and the lab fees]) or let your written qualifications expired and take it again[spend $300]... Thanks, Juan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Joel Satterley Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 12:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: CCIE Lab experience! [7:73263] I took the lab recently (before my time ran out) there is a full day of config to do. Lots of everything some nice little surprises. A couple of the guys on the same day were caught out by the wording the way the questions were structured. You have to be able to understand it fully before you start working. Otherwise, it's back to the start you've wasted an hour. -Original Message- From: Reimer, Fred [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 31 July 2003 14:04 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: CCIE Lab experience! [7:73263] As far as I understand, the lab is not 2 days anymore. It is only one day. And they don't break things and have you find and fix them. You just have to configure the network correctly and answer some questions. You could pass the lab by just reading books, but you'd have to have a pretty special ability to understand things without actually configuring them on a real router. Fred Reimer - CCNA Eclipsys Corporation, 200 Ashford Center North, Atlanta, GA 30338 Phone: 404-847-5177 Cell: 770-490-3071 Pager: 888-260-2050 NOTICE; This email contains confidential or proprietary information which may be legally privileged. It is intended only for the named recipient(s). If an addressing or transmission error has misdirected the email, please notify the author by replying to this message. If you are not the named recipient, you are not authorized to use, disclose, distribute, copy, print or rely on this email, and should immediately delete it from your computer. -Original Message- From: Alex Cosic [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 10:52 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CCIE Lab experience! [7:73263] Hi there, I have finished my CCNP exam. Well, I live in Sydney, Australia and I still could not find job. I wish to carry on with CCIE. I do not have problem with passing writing CCIE exam, but what about practical exam of 2 days duration. I have found some programs on the net. But is it enough to pass without practice. I have passed my CCNP by only reading books and downloading simulation programs. Can somebody give me advice whether I could carry on without real hand on experince? Is there some way to volonteer to work for free? Is there some way to get free CCIE Lab experience? Thanks in advance Alex === This message has been checked for all known viruses by the Sirocom Virus Scanning Service === === This message has been checked for all known viruses by the Sirocom Virus Scanning Service WWW.SIROCOM.COM === === This message has been checked for all known viruses by the Sirocom Virus Scanning Service === === This message has been checked for all known viruses by the Sirocom Virus Scanning Service WWW.SIROCOM.COM === Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=73301t=73263 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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With the assumption this will be your first attempt, let me counter with another question. How much is the experience worth to you of sitting a lab to experience the situation and see the difficulty of the questions? It will demonstrate the topics that need improvement. Would the same money be better spent attending some training or purchasing some equipment? Further assumption is that you can afford either. Good luck in whatever you decide. -Original Message- From: Juan Blanco [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 12:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: CCIE Lab experience! [7:73263] Team, Your opinion is always accepted as a good advice...Question if you are at a point where you are running out of time for the lab, what will be more efficient, take the lab (spend $2000[traveling and the lab fees]) or let your written qualifications expired and take it again[spend $300]... Thanks, Juan Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=73312t=73263 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CCIE Lab experience! [7:73263]
Juan Blanco wrote: Team, Your opinion is always accepted as a good advice...Question if you are at a point where you are running out of time for the lab, what will be more efficient, take the lab (spend $2000[traveling and the lab fees]) or let your written qualifications expired and take it again[spend $300]... Well.. I dont know about the rest of you, but when I look at resumes, and I see someone has actually put CCIE written on it. I cant help but chukkle.. If you start something.. might as well finish what you started I say. I dont see the value in someone who is satisfied in achieving something half-assed.. Thanks, Juan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Joel Satterley Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 12:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: CCIE Lab experience! [7:73263] I took the lab recently (before my time ran out) there is a full day of config to do. Lots of everything some nice little surprises. A couple of the guys on the same day were caught out by the wording the way the questions were structured. You have to be able to understand it fully before you start working. Otherwise, it's back to the start you've wasted an hour. -Original Message- From: Reimer, Fred [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 31 July 2003 14:04 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: CCIE Lab experience! [7:73263] As far as I understand, the lab is not 2 days anymore. It is only one day. And they don't break things and have you find and fix them. You just have to configure the network correctly and answer some questions. You could pass the lab by just reading books, but you'd have to have a pretty special ability to understand things without actually configuring them on a real router. Fred Reimer - CCNA Eclipsys Corporation, 200 Ashford Center North, Atlanta, GA 30338 Phone: 404-847-5177 Cell: 770-490-3071 Pager: 888-260-2050 NOTICE; This email contains confidential or proprietary information which may be legally privileged. It is intended only for the named recipient(s). If an addressing or transmission error has misdirected the email, please notify the author by replying to this message. If you are not the named recipient, you are not authorized to use, disclose, distribute, copy, print or rely on this email, and should immediately delete it from your computer. -Original Message- From: Alex Cosic [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 10:52 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CCIE Lab experience! [7:73263] Hi there, I have finished my CCNP exam. Well, I live in Sydney, Australia and I still could not find job. I wish to carry on with CCIE. I do not have problem with passing writing CCIE exam, but what about practical exam of 2 days duration. I have found some programs on the net. But is it enough to pass without practice. I have passed my CCNP by only reading books and downloading simulation programs. Can somebody give me advice whether I could carry on without real hand on experince? Is there some way to volonteer to work for free? Is there some way to get free CCIE Lab experience? Thanks in advance Alex === This message has been checked for all known viruses by the Sirocom Virus Scanning Service === === This message has been checked for all known viruses by the Sirocom Virus Scanning Service WWW.SIROCOM.COM === Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=73325t=73263 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Salvatore De Luca wrote: Well.. I dont know about the rest of you, but when I look at resumes, and I see someone has actually put CCIE written on it. I cant help but chukkle.. If you start something.. might as well finish what you started I say. I dont see the value in someone who is satisfied in achieving something half-assed.. Well, I guess it's not like they also add and I don't even want to try the lab, is it? Once I saw a resume though that said something like Passed CCIE written test, which is half way of achieving CCIE certification. The passage half way made me chuckle, too. Thanks, Zsombor Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=73329t=73263 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CCIE Lab Kit [7:72241]
Buy from ebay (thos sites you mentioned charge too much!) -Original Message- From: Vijay Ramcharan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 12:05 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CCIE Lab Kit [7:72241] I'm shopping around for a CCIE lab kit. I've put down 3 sites as likely candidates where I'll be buying from; www.chipsettech.com www.optsys.com www.layer7labs.com Any advice on which one I should choose to get the best bang for the buck? Any sort of feedback would be welcome. Thanks. Vijay Ramcharan For more information about Barclays Capital, please visit our web site at http://www.barcap.com. Internet communications are not secure and therefore the Barclays Group does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message. Although the Barclays Group operates anti-virus programmes, it does not accept responsibility for any damage whatsoever that is caused by viruses being passed. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the Barclays Group. Replies to this email may be monitored by the Barclays Group for operational or business reasons. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=72252t=72241 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE Lab Kit [7:72241]
I recommend ebay as well. I created a a lab for well under their cost (that included VOIP). Vijay Ramcharan wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm shopping around for a CCIE lab kit. I've put down 3 sites as likely candidates where I'll be buying from; www.chipsettech.com www.optsys.com www.layer7labs.com Any advice on which one I should choose to get the best bang for the buck? Any sort of feedback would be welcome. Thanks. Vijay Ramcharan Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=72267t=72241 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE Lab Kit [7:72241]
I couldn't agree more, buy from Ebay! Also if you already have purchased a lab book, buy equipment that fits its topology or look at the available lab books on the market that you may purchase and construct a lab that would accommodate any of their topologies. Like IPExpert, CCBootCamp, or NetmasterClass's new lab book. Jason wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Buy from ebay (thos sites you mentioned charge too much!) -Original Message- From: Vijay Ramcharan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 12:05 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CCIE Lab Kit [7:72241] I'm shopping around for a CCIE lab kit. I've put down 3 sites as likely candidates where I'll be buying from; www.chipsettech.com www.optsys.com www.layer7labs.com Any advice on which one I should choose to get the best bang for the buck? Any sort of feedback would be welcome. Thanks. Vijay Ramcharan For more information about Barclays Capital, please visit our web site at http://www.barcap.com. Internet communications are not secure and therefore the Barclays Group does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message. Although the Barclays Group operates anti-virus programmes, it does not accept responsibility for any damage whatsoever that is caused by viruses being passed. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the Barclays Group. Replies to this email may be monitored by the Barclays Group for operational or business reasons. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=72268t=72241 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CCIE Lab !!! [7:71919]
You need to know EVERYTHING. I took failed last week. RIPv2, OSPF, EIGRP, IS-IS, BGP - all redistributing into each other.. -Original Message- From: alaerte Vidali [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 July 2003 22:38 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: CCIE Lab !!! [7:71919] For sure you should know a lot about redistribution. A statement I heard from a Cisco guy responsable for the test in my country: -Certainly it will be asked one topic that you never have heard about; this is to test your capacity to look the CD documentation and find an answer. Certainly you should know all you can, because there is no time to search on the CD. The IOS on the lab is about to change. 12.2. === This message has been checked for all known viruses by the Sirocom Virus Scanning Service === === This message has been checked for all known viruses by the Sirocom Virus Scanning Service WWW.SIROCOM.COM === Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=71961t=71919 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE Lab !!! [7:71919]
you are responsible for anything that can be done with the particular IOS on the particular equipment. with the exception of those things which specifically are not covered. you really need to dig deeper on the CCIE site. it's all there. http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/625/ccie/exam_preparation/preparation.html practice labs abound. a simple google search for CCIE practice lab will result in quite a few hits. best wishes. H T wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, Actually Cisco just says the following topics are removed, but there is not details http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/625/ccie/certifications/routing.html ISO CLNS... does it include ISIS ??? Token Ring and Token Ring Switching... does it includes all IBM networking??? 1. SRB 2. SR/TLB 3. RSRB 4. DLSw and DLSw+ 5. Encapsulation bridging 6. CRB 7. IRB How about ATM, what will be included? Can any one fine out Cheers, Heiman. Hemingway wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] anyone who is serious about CCIE lab prep should become familiar with this site: http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/625/ccie/ start your reading here. everything yoiu need to know can be found somewhere within the links provided. H T wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi all, Can any one help us about the lab topics? Cheers, Heiman. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=71935t=71919 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE Lab !!! [7:71919]
Hi, Actually Cisco just says the following topics are removed, but there is not details http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/625/ccie/certifications/routing.html ISO CLNS... does it include ISIS ??? Token Ring and Token Ring Switching... does it includes all IBM networking??? 1. SRB 2. SR/TLB 3. RSRB 4. DLSw and DLSw+ 5. Encapsulation bridging 6. CRB 7. IRB How about ATM, what will be included? Can any one fine out Cheers, Heiman. Hemingway wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] anyone who is serious about CCIE lab prep should become familiar with this site: http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/625/ccie/ start your reading here. everything yoiu need to know can be found somewhere within the links provided. H T wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi all, Can any one help us about the lab topics? Cheers, Heiman. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=71934t=71919 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE Lab !!! [7:71919]
At 08:51 AM 7/5/2003 +, H T wrote: Hi, Actually Cisco just says the following topics are removed, but there is not details http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/625/ccie/certifications/routing.html ISO CLNS... does it include ISIS ??? ISIS routing IP is still a valid topic. Token Ring and Token Ring Switching... does it includes all IBM networking??? no clue here and haven't looked into this in years. much like yourself it seems :) 1. SRB 2. SR/TLB 3. RSRB 4. DLSw and DLSw+ 5. Encapsulation bridging 6. CRB 7. IRB How about ATM, what will be included? Can any one fine out Cheers, Heiman. Hemingway wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] anyone who is serious about CCIE lab prep should become familiar with this site: http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/625/ccie/ start your reading here. everything yoiu need to know can be found somewhere within the links provided. H T wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi all, Can any one help us about the lab topics? Cheers, Heiman. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=71941t=71919 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CCIE Lab !!! [7:71919]
For sure you should know a lot about redistribution. A statement I heard from a Cisco guy responsable for the test in my country: -Certainly it will be asked one topic that you never have heard about; this is to test your capacity to look the CD documentation and find an answer. Certainly you should know all you can, because there is no time to search on the CD. The IOS on the lab is about to change. 12.2. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=71921t=71919 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE Lab !!! [7:71919]
anyone who is serious about CCIE lab prep should become familiar with this site: http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/625/ccie/ start your reading here. everything yoiu need to know can be found somewhere within the links provided. H T wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi all, Can any one help us about the lab topics? Cheers, Heiman. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=71930t=71919 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CCIE Lab - Boson Router Simulator [7:66367]
I just wanted to let you know that I purchased the Boson Router Simulator when I was preparing for my CCNP exams. Looking back, I feel it was certainly not worth the investment. I thought that this may save me some money over buying a couple of routers on eBay, but I would have been better off with the routers. I spent a lot of time trying to figure out what was wrong with the simulator. Things as simple as configuring a P-P Frame Relay circuit. I was never able to get frame-relay to activate. Some IP routes would not refresh correctly until a different routing protocol was loaded and unloaded. I could go into more detail, but I do not think it is necessary. Then I would have to document these issues and send them on to tech support and wait a day or so for a response. It seemed to slow me down in my progress. Do not get me wrong, the simulator is a good idea (I think if you are trying to get your CCNA). For the complex scenarios we have to learn for the CCNP or CCIE, there is no replacement other than a network of actual routers. Hope this helps! Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=66977t=66367 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CCIE Lab study group in Cincinnati? [7:66431]
I would have been interested, however, with less than 29 days until my first attempt in RTP, and a new project looming with work, I don't think I can work in any extra time. If I tank too badly on the Lab, I'll let you know, and maybe we can work something out prior to my second attempt. Good luck! Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=66517t=66431 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CCIE Lab IOS Feature Set? [7:66304]
ENTERPRISE/FW/IDS PLUS IPSEC 56121-5-t14 This is what I have in my home lab c3620-jo3s56i-mz.121-5.T14.bin ENTERPRISE/FW/IDS PLUS IPSEC 56 (64D/16F) c2600-io3s56i-mz.121-5.T14.bin IP/FW/IDS PLUS IPSEC 56 (48D/16F) c2500-jos56i-l.121-5.T14.bin ENTERPRISE/FW PLUS IPSEC 56 (16D/16F) c4500-js56i-mz.121-5.T14.bin ENTERPRISE PLUS IPSEC 56 (32D/16F) c1700-o3sy56i-mz.121-5.T14.bin IP/FW/IDS PLUS IPSEC 56 (32D/8F) c3550-i5k2l2q3-tar.121-13.EA1.tar c2950-i6q4l2-tar.121-13.EA1.tar C.Q.Nguyen -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of The Long and Winding Road Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 11:48 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CCIE Lab IOS Feature Set? [7:66304] Mike Mihalas wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I am in the process of putting together a CCIE practice lab. I have a bunch of 2500 routers with varying memory. I know the lab uses 12.1 but my question is what feature set do I need? Will IP do what I need or do I need IP Plus, or even Enterprise. Since IPX is gone will just the basic IP image do all I need? you want to be able to practice with all of the various routing protocols, as you accountable for them. that usually means Enterprise Plus. Thanks, Mike Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=66376t=66304 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CCIE Lab - Boson Router Simulator [7:66367]
I looked into the simulator... but there were not a great deal of CCIE labs AT ALL... but that was the demo I was looking at and they are constantly updating the software... but for instance BGP was unsupported need I say more? LOL... again... they may support it now and it would be nice of them to do so.. because its not a BAD product... you can TOTALLY design a lab how you want it 11 routers (whichever series u want) and whatever kinda switches u want... but limited on the protocol support side... if they've fixed that it would be great. the version I saw just wasn't THERE yet. are you looking into for the written also or just the lab? just my 2cents. -- ThaCoolest, CCNP, CCIE wannabe .Johan Bornman wrote: Any experience with this? How close to the real thing is Boson's Router Simulator for the CCIE Lab? Does the software allow me to cover all aspects of the blue print for the CCIE lab? Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=66387t=66367 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE Lab IOS Feature Set? [7:66304]
Mike Mihalas wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I am in the process of putting together a CCIE practice lab. I have a bunch of 2500 routers with varying memory. I know the lab uses 12.1 but my question is what feature set do I need? Will IP do what I need or do I need IP Plus, or even Enterprise. Since IPX is gone will just the basic IP image do all I need? you want to be able to practice with all of the various routing protocols, as you accountable for them. that usually means Enterprise Plus. Thanks, Mike Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=66307t=66304 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE Lab - I have seen he future and it is.... [7:62776]
I've had those before...once! Not very good. Would not want to build a network on them. Logan, Harold wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I think your problem with the dipping dots analogy is that dipping dots have to be served from the bottom up; there's no such thing as Top-Down Dipping Dot Design. Hal -Original Message- From: Priscilla Oppenheimer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 2:39 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CCIE Lab - I have seen he future and it is [7:62776] Glad you're not depressed and are continuing your quest. You should consider being a writer. Your writing is really good, although the dipping dots ice cream analogy is just not working for me. I just can't imagine freeze-dried ice cream for one thing. Does it use dotted-decimal notation? ;-) Priscilla Charles Riley wrote: Thanks to all who wrote in. My Kafkaseque post yesterday apparently touched a chord (or nerve) with several folks. I was hoping to start an OT discussion on those Dippin' Dots ice cream, and draw analogies to networking. Heck, I would even settle for Howard asking a variation of his favorite question: what is the ice cream you are trying to eat? In all seriousness, I haven't abandoned all hope yet, it has just lessened in importance and intensity for me. In response to CN's question, I have attempted the lab at least once, Brussels, way back when the lab was a two day lab, and the numbers were still quad digits.Without violating the NDA, let's just say that I will never forgive ISDN for what it did to me. As far as my motives for CCIE chasing, the main reason I am persisting is that not only have I invested time, money, and freeze dried ice cream, but the CCIE quest motivates me to study topics that I don't necessarily deal with on a daily basis, and to practice exotic configurations with those that I do. OSPF through a GRE tunnel over an ISDN DBU to the Dippin' Dots website, anyone? Thanks, Charles Cisco Nuts wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Hello Charles, With due respect I ask, why did you abandon your quest for the CCIE? I am curious as to how many times you actually hit the Lab? Sincerely, CN From: Charles Riley Reply-To: Charles Riley To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CCIE Lab - I have seen he future and it is [7:62776] Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 22:19:54 GMT Chuck, Your post reminds me of those weird little ice cream stands that I sometimes see at the mall and various carnivals. It's called something like Dipping Dots - The Ice Cream of the Future. The initial human instinct is much like the Cro-Magnon humanoids encountering the monolith at the beginning of 2001: A Space Odyssey (sp): jump up and down with excitement until you realize it's just freeze dried ice cream. Rounding out that analogy, the CCIE of the future will probably be reduced to being the CCNP of today. Regardless, I have spent too much time and money to abandon the quest for CCIE now, but frankly, if I hadn't invested as much as I have, I would most likely abandon the quest in favor of broadening into other areas. I really don't see much market value for the CCIE anymore, especially with Cisco hellbent on making it a meatgrinding cash cow. Your java console and one way only to configure experience kind of bears this out. Sorry for the depressing post, just wanted to share. Charles The Long and Winding Road wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Been spending this weekend on what was once the Cisco Advanced SE Training ( ASET ) set of labs. These are available for those whose Cisco account team approves - there are a few conditions which can be found in the wee places of certification training. The program is run by Lab Gear ( the only link I have is www.labgear.net, but this is a login page ) There are a number of labs of CCIE level, look, and feel. Supposed to be real equipment, but the access is via java script windows, not terminal emulation. This makes for some interesting situations. The windows show or provide output only when they are active. So if you had two router sessions open, and you made changes on one router that would generate systems messages of one sort or another you would not see those messages on the other. also, I have yet to find a way to generate output from debugging commands. Things like term mon and logging of one kind or another have not been successful. so no debug ip routing and debug ip ospf adj. As with the real lab, there are a series of tasks to be completed. Grading is done via a s
Re: CCIE Lab - I have seen he future and it is.... [7:62776]
Hello Charles, With due respect I ask, why did you abandon your quest for the CCIE? I am curious as to how many times you actually hit the Lab? Sincerely, CN From: Charles Riley Reply-To: Charles Riley To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CCIE Lab - I have seen he future and it is [7:62776] Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 22:19:54 GMT Chuck, Your post reminds me of those weird little ice cream stands that I sometimes see at the mall and various carnivals. It's called something like Dipping Dots - The Ice Cream of the Future. The initial human instinct is much like the Cro-Magnon humanoids encountering the monolith at the beginning of 2001: A Space Odyssey (sp): jump up and down with excitement until you realize it's just freeze dried ice cream. Rounding out that analogy, the CCIE of the future will probably be reduced to being the CCNP of today. Regardless, I have spent too much time and money to abandon the quest for CCIE now, but frankly, if I hadn't invested as much as I have, I would most likely abandon the quest in favor of broadening into other areas. I really don't see much market value for the CCIE anymore, especially with Cisco hellbent on making it a meatgrinding cash cow. Your java console and one way only to configure experience kind of bears this out. Sorry for the depressing post, just wanted to share. Charles The Long and Winding Road wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Been spending this weekend on what was once the Cisco Advanced SE Training ( ASET ) set of labs. These are available for those whose Cisco account team approves - there are a few conditions which can be found in the wee places of certification training. The program is run by Lab Gear ( the only link I have is www.labgear.net, but this is a login page ) There are a number of labs of CCIE level, look, and feel. Supposed to be real equipment, but the access is via java script windows, not terminal emulation. This makes for some interesting situations. The windows show or provide output only when they are active. So if you had two router sessions open, and you made changes on one router that would generate systems messages of one sort or another you would not see those messages on the other. also, I have yet to find a way to generate output from debugging commands. Things like term mon and logging of one kind or another have not been successful. so no debug ip routing and debug ip ospf adj. As with the real lab, there are a series of tasks to be completed. Grading is done via a script. This is the point of most interest. Actually, I suspect a lot of the current CCIE Lab grading is done using scripting tools. I believe the proctors still physically examine equipment configurations for some things, but I could be wrong. It is of interest because to judge from the script outputs I am seeing, there appears to be an assumption that there is one and only one way to do things. I'm not sure this is always true. I am not sure that this results in an entirely accurate grade. But more importantly, given my experience with the java consoles and the manner in which these labs must be done, I am not sure I like where this is headed. Something Brian Dennis and Brad Ellis and some other people started talking about back when the CCIE Lab went from two days to one - something about the longer term goal being to do the test remotely, and having people show up at Sylvan or some other testing center and log in remotely. If the Lab Gear approach is any indication, this is not ready for real live testing. I experienced far too many problems with terminal ( javascript ) sessions disconnecting mysteriously. With 8 open windows, it sometimes got to be very hard to find the session ( router ) I was looking for. Cut and paste is a real pain. You have to open a scratchpad window, which is associated with the javascript console window. cutting and pasting is done to this wind. there are scratchpad windows associated with each java wind, so if you had a scratchpad open for every router session, that makes for a LOT of junk to fight your way through looking for what you want. then there is the problem of actually moving what you want to copy and paste. highlight and control c control v or alt e paste don't work. you have to click on buttons on the java consoles to copy to and from routers. beyond that, there is the problems of whether or not the script answer is the right answer. For example, in one lab, a particular instruction requires that the rip routers on a particular segment have to use the neighbor statement to see eachother ( and prevent other routers on that segment from joining into the RIP domain ) well, the problem is, one of those routers is connected to another RIP router via a different interface. need a neighbor statement there too, but the script does not cover this, nor does th
Re: CCIE Lab - I have seen he future and it is.... [7:62776]
Thanks to all who wrote in. My Kafkaseque post yesterday apparently touched a chord (or nerve) with several folks. I was hoping to start an OT discussion on those Dippin' Dots ice cream, and draw analogies to networking. Heck, I would even settle for Howard asking a variation of his favorite question: what is the ice cream you are trying to eat? In all seriousness, I haven't abandoned all hope yet, it has just lessened in importance and intensity for me. In response to CN's question, I have attempted the lab at least once, Brussels, way back when the lab was a two day lab, and the numbers were still quad digits.Without violating the NDA, let's just say that I will never forgive ISDN for what it did to me. As far as my motives for CCIE chasing, the main reason I am persisting is that not only have I invested time, money, and freeze dried ice cream, but the CCIE quest motivates me to study topics that I don't necessarily deal with on a daily basis, and to practice exotic configurations with those that I do. OSPF through a GRE tunnel over an ISDN DBU to the Dippin' Dots website, anyone? Thanks, Charles Cisco Nuts wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Hello Charles, With due respect I ask, why did you abandon your quest for the CCIE? I am curious as to how many times you actually hit the Lab? Sincerely, CN From: Charles Riley Reply-To: Charles Riley To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CCIE Lab - I have seen he future and it is [7:62776] Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 22:19:54 GMT Chuck, Your post reminds me of those weird little ice cream stands that I sometimes see at the mall and various carnivals. It's called something like Dipping Dots - The Ice Cream of the Future. The initial human instinct is much like the Cro-Magnon humanoids encountering the monolith at the beginning of 2001: A Space Odyssey (sp): jump up and down with excitement until you realize it's just freeze dried ice cream. Rounding out that analogy, the CCIE of the future will probably be reduced to being the CCNP of today. Regardless, I have spent too much time and money to abandon the quest for CCIE now, but frankly, if I hadn't invested as much as I have, I would most likely abandon the quest in favor of broadening into other areas. I really don't see much market value for the CCIE anymore, especially with Cisco hellbent on making it a meatgrinding cash cow. Your java console and one way only to configure experience kind of bears this out. Sorry for the depressing post, just wanted to share. Charles The Long and Winding Road wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Been spending this weekend on what was once the Cisco Advanced SE Training ( ASET ) set of labs. These are available for those whose Cisco account team approves - there are a few conditions which can be found in the wee places of certification training. The program is run by Lab Gear ( the only link I have is www.labgear.net, but this is a login page ) There are a number of labs of CCIE level, look, and feel. Supposed to be real equipment, but the access is via java script windows, not terminal emulation. This makes for some interesting situations. The windows show or provide output only when they are active. So if you had two router sessions open, and you made changes on one router that would generate systems messages of one sort or another you would not see those messages on the other. also, I have yet to find a way to generate output from debugging commands. Things like term mon and logging of one kind or another have not been successful. so no debug ip routing and debug ip ospf adj. As with the real lab, there are a series of tasks to be completed. Grading is done via a script. This is the point of most interest. Actually, I suspect a lot of the current CCIE Lab grading is done using scripting tools. I believe the proctors still physically examine equipment configurations for some things, but I could be wrong. It is of interest because to judge from the script outputs I am seeing, there appears to be an assumption that there is one and only one way to do things. I'm not sure this is always true. I am not sure that this results in an entirely accurate grade. But more importantly, given my experience with the java consoles and the manner in which these labs must be done, I am not sure I like where this is headed. Something Brian Dennis and Brad Ellis and some other people started talking about back when the CCIE Lab went from two days to one - something about the longer term goal being to do the test remotely, and having people show up at Sylvan or some other testing center and log in remotely. If the Lab Gear approach is any indication, this is not ready for real live testing. I experienced far too many problems with terminal ( javascript ) sessio
Re: CCIE Lab - I have seen he future and it is.... [7:62776]
Glad you're not depressed and are continuing your quest. You should consider being a writer. Your writing is really good, although the dipping dots ice cream analogy is just not working for me. I just can't imagine freeze-dried ice cream for one thing. Does it use dotted-decimal notation? ;-) Priscilla Charles Riley wrote: Thanks to all who wrote in. My Kafkaseque post yesterday apparently touched a chord (or nerve) with several folks. I was hoping to start an OT discussion on those Dippin' Dots ice cream, and draw analogies to networking. Heck, I would even settle for Howard asking a variation of his favorite question: what is the ice cream you are trying to eat? In all seriousness, I haven't abandoned all hope yet, it has just lessened in importance and intensity for me. In response to CN's question, I have attempted the lab at least once, Brussels, way back when the lab was a two day lab, and the numbers were still quad digits.Without violating the NDA, let's just say that I will never forgive ISDN for what it did to me. As far as my motives for CCIE chasing, the main reason I am persisting is that not only have I invested time, money, and freeze dried ice cream, but the CCIE quest motivates me to study topics that I don't necessarily deal with on a daily basis, and to practice exotic configurations with those that I do. OSPF through a GRE tunnel over an ISDN DBU to the Dippin' Dots website, anyone? Thanks, Charles Cisco Nuts wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Hello Charles, With due respect I ask, why did you abandon your quest for the CCIE? I am curious as to how many times you actually hit the Lab? Sincerely, CN From: Charles Riley Reply-To: Charles Riley To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CCIE Lab - I have seen he future and it is [7:62776] Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 22:19:54 GMT Chuck, Your post reminds me of those weird little ice cream stands that I sometimes see at the mall and various carnivals. It's called something like Dipping Dots - The Ice Cream of the Future. The initial human instinct is much like the Cro-Magnon humanoids encountering the monolith at the beginning of 2001: A Space Odyssey (sp): jump up and down with excitement until you realize it's just freeze dried ice cream. Rounding out that analogy, the CCIE of the future will probably be reduced to being the CCNP of today. Regardless, I have spent too much time and money to abandon the quest for CCIE now, but frankly, if I hadn't invested as much as I have, I would most likely abandon the quest in favor of broadening into other areas. I really don't see much market value for the CCIE anymore, especially with Cisco hellbent on making it a meatgrinding cash cow. Your java console and one way only to configure experience kind of bears this out. Sorry for the depressing post, just wanted to share. Charles The Long and Winding Road wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Been spending this weekend on what was once the Cisco Advanced SE Training ( ASET ) set of labs. These are available for those whose Cisco account team approves - there are a few conditions which can be found in the wee places of certification training. The program is run by Lab Gear ( the only link I have is www.labgear.net, but this is a login page ) There are a number of labs of CCIE level, look, and feel. Supposed to be real equipment, but the access is via java script windows, not terminal emulation. This makes for some interesting situations. The windows show or provide output only when they are active. So if you had two router sessions open, and you made changes on one router that would generate systems messages of one sort or another you would not see those messages on the other. also, I have yet to find a way to generate output from debugging commands. Things like term mon and logging of one kind or another have not been successful. so no debug ip routing and debug ip ospf adj. As with the real lab, there are a series of tasks to be completed. Grading is done via a script. This is the point of most interest. Actually, I suspect a lot of the current CCIE Lab grading is done using scripting tools. I believe the proctors still physically examine equipment configurations for some things, but I could be wrong. It is of interest because to judge from the script outputs I am seeing, there appears to be an assumption that there is one and only one way to do things. I'm not sure this is always true. I am not sure that this results in an entirely accurate grade. But more importantly, given my experience with the java consoles and the manner in which these labs must be done, I am not sure I like where this is h
RE: CCIE Lab - I have seen he future and it is.... [7:62776]
I disagree, it sounds to me like Chuck is pursuing the IE for the right reasons. If his goal was to learn enough to pass the lab, and he has learned most of what he set out to learn, I can't really fault him for being discouraged. It's very frustrating having spent months or even years learning how to do 4-way IGP redistribution with no routing loops and all those other difficult but possible scenarios we subject ourself to, only to fail the lab because in a low-time high-stress environment you couldn't think of which OSPF over frame config would meet the bassackwards requirements on the lab. It's Cisco's program, and they can do whatever they want with it. But my learning curve has drastically changed since I started studying for the lab, and there are other pursuits that I'd like to go after once I'm done with the lab. Really my primary motivation at this point is that I'm not a quitter, and I want to finish what I started. I'm not pursuing the IE so I can get a better job or so I can get promoted at my current one. I teach CCNA and CCNP classes, and when I pass the lab I'll still be teaching CCNA and CCNP classes. Having studied for the lab helps me do a much better job as an instructor, but having a number behind my name won't make a lick of difference to anyone but me. -Original Message- From: Amazing [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 11:13 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CCIE Lab - I have seen he future and it is [7:62776] actually, i think you have it backwardsthe CCNP of tomorrow will be the CCIE of todayCCC tests are getting harder...the bar is being raised if what you state is truly the way you truly feel, then you were in pursuit of the CCIE for the wrong reason in the first place. sorry you're so depressed. Charles Riley wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Chuck, Your post reminds me of those weird little ice cream stands that I sometimes see at the mall and various carnivals. It's called something like Dipping Dots - The Ice Cream of the Future. The initial human instinct is much like the Cro-Magnon humanoids encountering the monolith at the beginning of 2001: A Space Odyssey (sp): jump up and down with excitement until you realize it's just freeze dried ice cream. Rounding out that analogy, the CCIE of the future will probably be reduced to being the CCNP of today. Regardless, I have spent too much time and money to abandon the quest for CCIE now, but frankly, if I hadn't invested as much as I have, I would most likely abandon the quest in favor of broadening into other areas. I really don't see much market value for the CCIE anymore, especially with Cisco hellbent on making it a meatgrinding cash cow. Your java console and one way only to configure experience kind of bears this out. Sorry for the depressing post, just wanted to share. Charles The Long and Winding Road wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Been spending this weekend on what was once the Cisco Advanced SE Training ( ASET ) set of labs. These are available for those whose Cisco account team approves - there are a few conditions which can be found in the wee places of certification training. The program is run by Lab Gear ( the only link I have is www.labgear.net, but this is a login page ) There are a number of labs of CCIE level, look, and feel. Supposed to be real equipment, but the access is via java script windows, not terminal emulation. This makes for some interesting situations. The windows show or provide output only when they are active. So if you had two router sessions open, and you made changes on one router that would generate systems messages of one sort or another you would not see those messages on the other. also, I have yet to find a way to generate output from debugging commands. Things like term mon and logging of one kind or another have not been successful. so no debug ip routing and debug ip ospf adj. As with the real lab, there are a series of tasks to be completed. Grading is done via a script. This is the point of most interest. Actually, I suspect a lot of the current CCIE Lab grading is done using scripting tools. I believe the proctors still physically examine equipment configurations for some things, but I could be wrong. It is of interest because to judge from the script outputs I am seeing, there appears to be an assumption that there is one and only one way to do things. I'm not sure this is always true. I am not sure that this results in an entirely accurate grade. But more importantly, given my experience with the java consoles and the manner in which these labs must be done, I am not sure I like where thi
RE: CCIE Lab - I have seen he future and it is.... [7:62776]
I think your problem with the dipping dots analogy is that dipping dots have to be served from the bottom up; there's no such thing as Top-Down Dipping Dot Design. Hal -Original Message- From: Priscilla Oppenheimer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 2:39 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CCIE Lab - I have seen he future and it is [7:62776] Glad you're not depressed and are continuing your quest. You should consider being a writer. Your writing is really good, although the dipping dots ice cream analogy is just not working for me. I just can't imagine freeze-dried ice cream for one thing. Does it use dotted-decimal notation? ;-) Priscilla Charles Riley wrote: Thanks to all who wrote in. My Kafkaseque post yesterday apparently touched a chord (or nerve) with several folks. I was hoping to start an OT discussion on those Dippin' Dots ice cream, and draw analogies to networking. Heck, I would even settle for Howard asking a variation of his favorite question: what is the ice cream you are trying to eat? In all seriousness, I haven't abandoned all hope yet, it has just lessened in importance and intensity for me. In response to CN's question, I have attempted the lab at least once, Brussels, way back when the lab was a two day lab, and the numbers were still quad digits.Without violating the NDA, let's just say that I will never forgive ISDN for what it did to me. As far as my motives for CCIE chasing, the main reason I am persisting is that not only have I invested time, money, and freeze dried ice cream, but the CCIE quest motivates me to study topics that I don't necessarily deal with on a daily basis, and to practice exotic configurations with those that I do. OSPF through a GRE tunnel over an ISDN DBU to the Dippin' Dots website, anyone? Thanks, Charles Cisco Nuts wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Hello Charles, With due respect I ask, why did you abandon your quest for the CCIE? I am curious as to how many times you actually hit the Lab? Sincerely, CN From: Charles Riley Reply-To: Charles Riley To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CCIE Lab - I have seen he future and it is [7:62776] Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 22:19:54 GMT Chuck, Your post reminds me of those weird little ice cream stands that I sometimes see at the mall and various carnivals. It's called something like Dipping Dots - The Ice Cream of the Future. The initial human instinct is much like the Cro-Magnon humanoids encountering the monolith at the beginning of 2001: A Space Odyssey (sp): jump up and down with excitement until you realize it's just freeze dried ice cream. Rounding out that analogy, the CCIE of the future will probably be reduced to being the CCNP of today. Regardless, I have spent too much time and money to abandon the quest for CCIE now, but frankly, if I hadn't invested as much as I have, I would most likely abandon the quest in favor of broadening into other areas. I really don't see much market value for the CCIE anymore, especially with Cisco hellbent on making it a meatgrinding cash cow. Your java console and one way only to configure experience kind of bears this out. Sorry for the depressing post, just wanted to share. Charles The Long and Winding Road wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Been spending this weekend on what was once the Cisco Advanced SE Training ( ASET ) set of labs. These are available for those whose Cisco account team approves - there are a few conditions which can be found in the wee places of certification training. The program is run by Lab Gear ( the only link I have is www.labgear.net, but this is a login page ) There are a number of labs of CCIE level, look, and feel. Supposed to be real equipment, but the access is via java script windows, not terminal emulation. This makes for some interesting situations. The windows show or provide output only when they are active. So if you had two router sessions open, and you made changes on one router that would generate systems messages of one sort or another you would not see those messages on the other. also, I have yet to find a way to generate output from debugging commands. Things like term mon and logging of one kind or another have not been successful. so no debug ip routing and debug ip ospf adj. As with the real lab, there are a series of tasks to be completed. Grading is done via a script. This is the point of most interest. Actually, I suspect a lot of the current CCIE Lab grading is done using scripting tools. I believe th
Re: CCIE Lab - I have seen he future and it is.... [7:62776]
Chuck, Your post reminds me of those weird little ice cream stands that I sometimes see at the mall and various carnivals. It's called something like Dipping Dots - The Ice Cream of the Future. The initial human instinct is much like the Cro-Magnon humanoids encountering the monolith at the beginning of 2001: A Space Odyssey (sp): jump up and down with excitement until you realize it's just freeze dried ice cream. Rounding out that analogy, the CCIE of the future will probably be reduced to being the CCNP of today. Regardless, I have spent too much time and money to abandon the quest for CCIE now, but frankly, if I hadn't invested as much as I have, I would most likely abandon the quest in favor of broadening into other areas. I really don't see much market value for the CCIE anymore, especially with Cisco hellbent on making it a meatgrinding cash cow. Your java console and one way only to configure experience kind of bears this out. Sorry for the depressing post, just wanted to share. Charles The Long and Winding Road wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Been spending this weekend on what was once the Cisco Advanced SE Training ( ASET ) set of labs. These are available for those whose Cisco account team approves - there are a few conditions which can be found in the wee places of certification training. The program is run by Lab Gear ( the only link I have is www.labgear.net, but this is a login page ) There are a number of labs of CCIE level, look, and feel. Supposed to be real equipment, but the access is via java script windows, not terminal emulation. This makes for some interesting situations. The windows show or provide output only when they are active. So if you had two router sessions open, and you made changes on one router that would generate systems messages of one sort or another you would not see those messages on the other. also, I have yet to find a way to generate output from debugging commands. Things like term mon and logging of one kind or another have not been successful. so no debug ip routing and debug ip ospf adj. As with the real lab, there are a series of tasks to be completed. Grading is done via a script. This is the point of most interest. Actually, I suspect a lot of the current CCIE Lab grading is done using scripting tools. I believe the proctors still physically examine equipment configurations for some things, but I could be wrong. It is of interest because to judge from the script outputs I am seeing, there appears to be an assumption that there is one and only one way to do things. I'm not sure this is always true. I am not sure that this results in an entirely accurate grade. But more importantly, given my experience with the java consoles and the manner in which these labs must be done, I am not sure I like where this is headed. Something Brian Dennis and Brad Ellis and some other people started talking about back when the CCIE Lab went from two days to one - something about the longer term goal being to do the test remotely, and having people show up at Sylvan or some other testing center and log in remotely. If the Lab Gear approach is any indication, this is not ready for real live testing. I experienced far too many problems with terminal ( javascript ) sessions disconnecting mysteriously. With 8 open windows, it sometimes got to be very hard to find the session ( router ) I was looking for. Cut and paste is a real pain. You have to open a scratchpad window, which is associated with the javascript console window. cutting and pasting is done to this wind. there are scratchpad windows associated with each java wind, so if you had a scratchpad open for every router session, that makes for a LOT of junk to fight your way through looking for what you want. then there is the problem of actually moving what you want to copy and paste. highlight and control c control v or alt e paste don't work. you have to click on buttons on the java consoles to copy to and from routers. beyond that, there is the problems of whether or not the script answer is the right answer. For example, in one lab, a particular instruction requires that the rip routers on a particular segment have to use the neighbor statement to see eachother ( and prevent other routers on that segment from joining into the RIP domain ) well, the problem is, one of those routers is connected to another RIP router via a different interface. need a neighbor statement there too, but the script does not cover this, nor does the answer configuration show this. anyway, I have seen the future, and the CCIE Lab future looks like it may be heading to these kinds of remote lab settings. -- TANSTAAFL there ain't no such thing as a free lunch Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=62776t=62776 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info:
Re: CCIE Lab - I have seen he future and it is.... [7:62776]
Charles Riley wrote: I think you may have overreacted and scared everybody away! :-) Chuck, Rounding out that analogy, the CCIE of the future will probably be reduced to being the CCNP of today. They can still make CCIE much harder than CCNP and if it is much harder, it will be more valued (probably). Regardless, I have spent too much time and money to abandon the quest for CCIE now, but frankly, if I hadn't invested as much as I have, I would most likely abandon the quest in favor of broadening into other areas. I really don't see much market value for the CCIE anymore, especially with Cisco hellbent on making it a meatgrinding cash cow. They're just trying to save money, be more profitable. We are all trying to do that in these awful economic times. Your java console and one way only to configure experience kind of bears this out. But we don't know if it will be that bad. They could do a good job with this, even if it is somewhat automated. They've got some really smart people working for them. I would say, continue with your plans (as you said you were going to) and don't get depressed! Watch for black/white thinking, over-reacting, generalizing etc. Those can lead to depression Priscilla Sorry for the depressing post, just wanted to share. Charles The Long and Winding Road wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Been spending this weekend on what was once the Cisco Advanced SE Training ( ASET ) set of labs. These are available for those whose Cisco account team approves - there are a few conditions which can be found in the wee places of certification training. The program is run by Lab Gear ( the only link I have is www.labgear.net, but this is a login page ) There are a number of labs of CCIE level, look, and feel. Supposed to be real equipment, but the access is via java script windows, not terminal emulation. This makes for some interesting situations. The windows show or provide output only when they are active. So if you had two router sessions open, and you made changes on one router that would generate systems messages of one sort or another you would not see those messages on the other. also, I have yet to find a way to generate output from debugging commands. Things like term mon and logging of one kind or another have not been successful. so no debug ip routing and debug ip ospf adj. As with the real lab, there are a series of tasks to be completed. Grading is done via a script. This is the point of most interest. Actually, I suspect a lot of the current CCIE Lab grading is done using scripting tools. I believe the proctors still physically examine equipment configurations for some things, but I could be wrong. It is of interest because to judge from the script outputs I am seeing, there appears to be an assumption that there is one and only one way to do things. I'm not sure this is always true. I am not sure that this results in an entirely accurate grade. But more importantly, given my experience with the java consoles and the manner in which these labs must be done, I am not sure I like where this is headed. Something Brian Dennis and Brad Ellis and some other people started talking about back when the CCIE Lab went from two days to one - something about the longer term goal being to do the test remotely, and having people show up at Sylvan or some other testing center and log in remotely. If the Lab Gear approach is any indication, this is not ready for real live testing. I experienced far too many problems with terminal ( javascript ) sessions disconnecting mysteriously. With 8 open windows, it sometimes got to be very hard to find the session ( router ) I was looking for. Cut and paste is a real pain. You have to open a scratchpad window, which is associated with the javascript console window. cutting and pasting is done to this wind. there are scratchpad windows associated with each java wind, so if you had a scratchpad open for every router session, that makes for a LOT of junk to fight your way through looking for what you want. then there is the problem of actually moving what you want to copy and paste. highlight and control c control v or alt e paste don't work. you have to click on buttons on the java consoles to copy to and from routers. beyond that, there is the problems of whether or not the script answer is the right answer. For example, in one lab, a particular instruction requires that the rip routers on a particular segment have to use the neighbor statement to see eachother ( and prevent other routers on that segment from joining into the RIP domain ) well, the problem is, one of those routers is connected to another RIP router via a different interface. need a neighbor statement there too, but the script does not
Re: CCIE Lab - I have seen he future and it is.... [7:62776]
actually, i think you have it backwardsthe CCNP of tomorrow will be the CCIE of todayCCC tests are getting harder...the bar is being raised if what you state is truly the way you truly feel, then you were in pursuit of the CCIE for the wrong reason in the first place. sorry you're so depressed. Charles Riley wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Chuck, Your post reminds me of those weird little ice cream stands that I sometimes see at the mall and various carnivals. It's called something like Dipping Dots - The Ice Cream of the Future. The initial human instinct is much like the Cro-Magnon humanoids encountering the monolith at the beginning of 2001: A Space Odyssey (sp): jump up and down with excitement until you realize it's just freeze dried ice cream. Rounding out that analogy, the CCIE of the future will probably be reduced to being the CCNP of today. Regardless, I have spent too much time and money to abandon the quest for CCIE now, but frankly, if I hadn't invested as much as I have, I would most likely abandon the quest in favor of broadening into other areas. I really don't see much market value for the CCIE anymore, especially with Cisco hellbent on making it a meatgrinding cash cow. Your java console and one way only to configure experience kind of bears this out. Sorry for the depressing post, just wanted to share. Charles The Long and Winding Road wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Been spending this weekend on what was once the Cisco Advanced SE Training ( ASET ) set of labs. These are available for those whose Cisco account team approves - there are a few conditions which can be found in the wee places of certification training. The program is run by Lab Gear ( the only link I have is www.labgear.net, but this is a login page ) There are a number of labs of CCIE level, look, and feel. Supposed to be real equipment, but the access is via java script windows, not terminal emulation. This makes for some interesting situations. The windows show or provide output only when they are active. So if you had two router sessions open, and you made changes on one router that would generate systems messages of one sort or another you would not see those messages on the other. also, I have yet to find a way to generate output from debugging commands. Things like term mon and logging of one kind or another have not been successful. so no debug ip routing and debug ip ospf adj. As with the real lab, there are a series of tasks to be completed. Grading is done via a script. This is the point of most interest. Actually, I suspect a lot of the current CCIE Lab grading is done using scripting tools. I believe the proctors still physically examine equipment configurations for some things, but I could be wrong. It is of interest because to judge from the script outputs I am seeing, there appears to be an assumption that there is one and only one way to do things. I'm not sure this is always true. I am not sure that this results in an entirely accurate grade. But more importantly, given my experience with the java consoles and the manner in which these labs must be done, I am not sure I like where this is headed. Something Brian Dennis and Brad Ellis and some other people started talking about back when the CCIE Lab went from two days to one - something about the longer term goal being to do the test remotely, and having people show up at Sylvan or some other testing center and log in remotely. If the Lab Gear approach is any indication, this is not ready for real live testing. I experienced far too many problems with terminal ( javascript ) sessions disconnecting mysteriously. With 8 open windows, it sometimes got to be very hard to find the session ( router ) I was looking for. Cut and paste is a real pain. You have to open a scratchpad window, which is associated with the javascript console window. cutting and pasting is done to this wind. there are scratchpad windows associated with each java wind, so if you had a scratchpad open for every router session, that makes for a LOT of junk to fight your way through looking for what you want. then there is the problem of actually moving what you want to copy and paste. highlight and control c control v or alt e paste don't work. you have to click on buttons on the java consoles to copy to and from routers. beyond that, there is the problems of whether or not the script answer is the right answer. For example, in one lab, a particular instruction requires that the rip routers on a particular segment have to use the neighbor statement to see eachother ( and prevent other routers on that segment from joining into the RIP domain ) well, the problem is, one of those routers is connected to another RIP router via a different interface. need a
RE: CCIE Lab requriements [7:60498]
yes, good equipment list . but , I think ... may be add the equipment . it is a atm module : nm-1atm-25 voice module isdn simulator good luck ! Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=60543t=60498 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE Lab Test in Canada? [7:59145]
Raleigh, NC www.cisco.com/ccie Victor Jia wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... He group, I live in Toronto, I was told that Canadian have to got to Halifax for CCIE LAB test, is it true? Or can I go to U.S. for the test? If I can, what is the nearest City in U.S.? Thanks a lot. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=59146t=59145 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE Lab Test in Canada? [7:59145]
Don't know where the closest lab is but Halifax was closed down some time ago. I don't think there are any labs in Canada anymore. Kevin Wigle - Original Message - From: Victor Jia To: Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 8:42 PM Subject: CCIE Lab Test in Canada? [7:59145] He group, I live in Toronto, I was told that Canadian have to got to Halifax for CCIE LAB test, is it true? Or can I go to U.S. for the test? If I can, what is the nearest City in U.S.? Thanks a lot. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=59149t=59145 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CCIE LAB Study Partner in Houston [7:56636]
Hi,Joseph, My name's Yao Ning. I live in Houston now. I'm preparing CCIE Lab for routingswitching. My scheduled date is Apr,26. I'm looking for someone studying together. So I'm glad to see this message you posted. If you're interested in passing the Lab with me, please touch me. Best regards Yaoning Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=59038t=56636 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE LAB Preparation - Anyone on same path!! [7:58433]
kaushik khakhar wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Hello @, I have started preparing for my CCIE LAB again (2nd try in Feb). Now the LAB is changed with new additonal switch 3550 and so on. Anyone who is in the same direction, can get in touch to get and share views/inputs. Regards, Kaushik Khakhar A MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=58508t=58433 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE Lab [7:58278]
Check out the Free labs at www.bfqlabs.com - Original Message - From: Tomasz Szymaqski To: Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 5:26 AM Subject: CCIE Lab [7:58278] Hi All, I'm new to the group and I'd like to ask if someon has some materials (and could share with me) for the CCIE Lab. TS Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=58321t=58278 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CCIE Lab Kit [7:57099]
So far I have the following and my next addition will be a 3550. 2 x 2501s 2 x 2503s 1 x 2511 3 x 2513s 1 x 2522 1 x 2610 w/ voice 1 x 2620 w/ voice cat5000 Switch ISDN Simulator 2 phone lines and 2 modems 3 x token ring maus (no longer needed) 3920 simulator (no longer needed) more books than I care to count Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=57175t=57099 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CCIE Lab Kit [7:57099]
Oh yeah, here is a link to a good article on this topic http://www.QQxxproductions.com/generic.html?pid=24 remove the QQ and replace int with cc. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=57177t=57099 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE Lab Kit [7:57099]
type_home.html#45 Tim Champion wrote in message news:200211080948.JAA07395;groupstudy.com... Can anyone point me in the direction of a definitive kit list for a CCIE study lab? many thanks Tim Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=57103t=57099 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE Lab Kit [7:57099]
type_home.html#45 Tim Champion wrote in message news:200211080948.JAA07395;groupstudy.com... Can anyone point me in the direction of a definitive kit list for a CCIE study lab? many thanks Tim Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=57102t=57099 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE LAB Re-Grade [7:56458]
you get a regrade and the same detail, takes ages apparently, unless your really close you are giving cisco free money From: Michael Witte Reply-To: Michael Witte To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CCIE LAB Re-Grade [7:56458] Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 15:50:12 GMT I took the lab on 9/24/2002 and did not pass. I didn't agree on my scores and put in for a re-grade on Sat.I know I did much better. Does anyone know what the process is and if they will be contacting me for credit card info ect?It also took them until Sat afternoon to get my grade so I think something was wrong down there. thanks. _ Get faster connections -- switch to MSN Internet Access! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=56506t=56458 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE LAB Re-Grade [7:56458]
DAve Diaz wrote in message news:200210301521.PAA21871;groupstudy.com... you get a regrade and the same detail, takes ages apparently, unless your really close you are giving cisco free money CL: probably takes forever because the proctor would have to rebuild your pod from the saved configurations, and then go through the inspection process again. It is probably a matter of finding the time and the space to do so. CL: I don't know, but from what I have seen in the Lab, the proctors grade the previous day's exams while a new group is in taking their exam. So, in between the interruptions from the current test takers and the work necessary to save yesterday's setups and grade yesterdays results, it is no doubt a matter of resources. it's not like they keep your pod intact for the waiting period. From: Michael Witte Reply-To: Michael Witte To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CCIE LAB Re-Grade [7:56458] Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 15:50:12 GMT I took the lab on 9/24/2002 and did not pass. I didn't agree on my scores and put in for a re-grade on Sat.I know I did much better. Does anyone know what the process is and if they will be contacting me for credit card info ect?It also took them until Sat afternoon to get my grade so I think something was wrong down there. thanks. _ Get faster connections -- switch to MSN Internet Access! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=56532t=56458 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE LAB Re-Grade [7:56458]
At 03:42 PM 10/30/2002 +, The Long and Winding Road wrote: DAve Diaz wrote in message news:200210301521.PAA21871;groupstudy.com... you get a regrade and the same detail, takes ages apparently, unless your really close you are giving cisco free money CL: probably takes forever because the proctor would have to rebuild your pod from the saved configurations, and then go through the inspection process again. It is probably a matter of finding the time and the space to do so. I'm pretty sure they just run scripts to suck configs and mark the configs themselves. I don't think they actually test if a config works, just that you have the right knobs on in the right places. Hence, a regrade should just be a case of comparing the answer set to the candidates answers. CL: I don't know, but from what I have seen in the Lab, the proctors grade the previous day's exams while a new group is in taking their exam. So, in between the interruptions from the current test takers and the work necessary to save yesterday's setups and grade yesterdays results, it is no doubt a matter of resources. it's not like they keep your pod intact for the waiting period. From: Michael Witte Reply-To: Michael Witte To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CCIE LAB Re-Grade [7:56458] Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 15:50:12 GMT I took the lab on 9/24/2002 and did not pass. I didn't agree on my scores and put in for a re-grade on Sat.I know I did much better. Does anyone know what the process is and if they will be contacting me for credit card info ect?It also took them until Sat afternoon to get my grade so I think something was wrong down there. thanks. _ Get faster connections -- switch to MSN Internet Access! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=56538t=56458 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE Lab training in Europe [7:56466]
I would like to say that Heinz Ulm has by far the best word of mouth training in Europe. He teaches a 3 week class in Germany. Take a look at URL - www.heinzulm.com The only factor in taking this course is the price. His website is also featured on www.iponeverything.net as he is also a CCIE. Hope this helps. Matt Brugam [EMAIL PROTECTED] CCNP, CCDP On Robert Slaski wrote: Hi all, Could anybody recommend good CCIE Lab preparation training in Europe? There was a good one held by Proin, but it seems to be no longer available. Thanks, robert -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=56482t=56466 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE Lab Terminal Emulator (Was Would this break the [7:56268]
Kaminski, Shawn G wrote: This message is a follow-up to the questions regarding which terminal emulator is used in the CCIE Labs. Although there have been responses saying that a number of different terminal emulators are used, this is straight from Cisco's mouth: Secured CRT is used. hi, i heard that this is not standard, so they use what ever they want or like or... the use teraterm, hyperterminal and securecrt. they suggested to check what they use where you want to take the lab. hth -bis Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=56268t=56268 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE Lab test price? [7:55487]
Part of becoming a CCIE starts with conducting research. GroupStudy is for those who have done research but are fuzzy on application of theory or want to add to the dynamic of the discussion of theory as it pertains to Internetworking. You don't waste the time of Howard C. Berkowitz, Priscilla Oppenheimer or Nigel Taylor with trivial questions that are answered with 10 seconds of research on Cisco's site. Having said all that here is how you become a CCIE. Good Luck you may just need it. http://www.cisco.com/en/US/learning/le3/le2/le23/le7/learning_certification_ type_home.html (to start) http://www.cisco.com/en/US/learning/le3/learning_ccie_lab_exam.html (the price...item # 10 toward the bottom of the page. Note the per attempt) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (to ask questions) Leonardo Rocha wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Anybody could tell me how much do you pay for try the ccie lab? I4ve heard that for written test the price is $300, but for the lab I never heard about. thanks, Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=55512t=55487 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CCIE Lab - what's wrong with this picture? [7:55288]
From Cisco Between September 1, 2002 and November 4th, 2002 all CCIE labs will replace the current Catalyst 5000 switches with Catalyst 3550 switches. However, the only switching features tested during this time will be those common to both devices - additional features on the Catalyst 3550 will only be tested beginning November 4th, 2002. The 5000's are already gone from RTP and probably some of the other labs as well! Dean -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Russell Heilling Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2002 6:01 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CCIE Lab - what's wrong with this picture? [7:55288] The Long and Winding Road wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Following my own advice, I regularly check CCO to see what's up with the CCIE Lab. http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/625/ccie/certifications/routing.html#45 Looks what's new! - Equipment List 2500 series routers 2600 series routers 3600 series routers 3900 series Token Ring switches Catalyst 5000 series switches Catalyst 3500 series switches Well technically this is correct... The roll out of 3550s to replace the 5000s and removal of Token Ring from the lab are scheduled to be completed Nov 4th... So 5000s and 3900 TR switches are still valid lab equipment for the next 3 weeks or so... -- Russell Heilling http://www.ccie.org.uk/ Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=55528t=55288 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE Lab - what's wrong with this picture? [7:55288]
the point I was trying to make is the equipment list states Catalyst 3500's, not 3550's, like it should be. big difference. Dean Whitley wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... From Cisco Between September 1, 2002 and November 4th, 2002 all CCIE labs will replace the current Catalyst 5000 switches with Catalyst 3550 switches. However, the only switching features tested during this time will be those common to both devices - additional features on the Catalyst 3550 will only be tested beginning November 4th, 2002. The 5000's are already gone from RTP and probably some of the other labs as well! Dean -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Russell Heilling Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2002 6:01 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CCIE Lab - what's wrong with this picture? [7:55288] The Long and Winding Road wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Following my own advice, I regularly check CCO to see what's up with the CCIE Lab. http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/625/ccie/certifications/routing.html#45 Looks what's new! - Equipment List 2500 series routers 2600 series routers 3600 series routers 3900 series Token Ring switches Catalyst 5000 series switches Catalyst 3500 series switches Well technically this is correct... The roll out of 3550s to replace the 5000s and removal of Token Ring from the lab are scheduled to be completed Nov 4th... So 5000s and 3900 TR switches are still valid lab equipment for the next 3 weeks or so... -- Russell Heilling http://www.ccie.org.uk/ Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=55529t=55288 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE Lab - what's wrong with this picture? [7:55288]
The Long and Winding Road wrote in message news:200210101602.QAA07447;groupstudy.com... Following my own advice, I regularly check CCO to see what's up with the CCIE Lab. http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/625/ccie/certifications/routing.html#45 Looks what's new! - Equipment List 2500 series routers 2600 series routers 3600 series routers 3900 series Token Ring switches Catalyst 5000 series switches Catalyst 3500 series switches Well technically this is correct... The roll out of 3550s to replace the 5000s and removal of Token Ring from the lab are scheduled to be completed Nov 4th... So 5000s and 3900 TR switches are still valid lab equipment for the next 3 weeks or so... -- Russell Heilling http://www.ccie.org.uk/ Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=55486t=55288 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CCIE Lab test price? [7:55487]
$1250 Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=55489t=55487 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE Lab - what's wrong with this picture? [7:55288]
Chuck, I'd say they have some old content showing up. They've been busy making changes and trying to rollout a new website design, so I wouldn't sweat it. It's just a minor whoops and nothing I would fret over. :) thanks, -Brad Ellis CCIE#5796 (RS / Security) Network Learning Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.optsys.net (Cisco hardware) The Long and Winding Road wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Following my own advice, I regularly check CCO to see what's up with the CCIE Lab. http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/625/ccie/certifications/routing.html#45 Looks what's new! - Equipment List 2500 series routers 2600 series routers 3600 series routers 3900 series Token Ring switches Catalyst 5000 series switches Catalyst 3500 series switches -- I wrote to the CCIE Lab folks, a couple of days ago, but no response. Maybe some of the Cisco spies on the list could get someone to correct this? www.chuckslongroad.info like my web site? take the survey! Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=55304t=55288 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE lab w/Voice [7:52696]
Dont forget the NM-1Vs. Here's what I'd do: 2610 64D/16F 2620 64D/16F (so you can do your trunking with this one too with the FE interface) 2 or 4 WIC-1Ts (db60 serial interfaces) 2x NM-1V 2x VIC-2FXS That should do the trick for ya. thanks, -Brad Ellis CCIE#5796 (RS / Security) Network Learning Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.optsys.net (Cisco hardware) Darren Ward wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... A couple of FXS cards and if you want an FXO card would see you through. Darren Ward (PGradCS, CCIE #8245, SCSA, CCDP, MCP) On Wed, 4 Sep 2002, Ben W wrote: If I were to put together a lab for CCIE RS, what would you recommend to get to cover the voice portion? Any specific voice cards? VWIC-xMFT-E1? Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=52714t=52696 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE lab w/Voice [7:52696]
A couple of FXS cards and if you want an FXO card would see you through. Darren Ward (PGradCS, CCIE #8245, SCSA, CCDP, MCP) On Wed, 4 Sep 2002, Ben W wrote: If I were to put together a lab for CCIE RS, what would you recommend to get to cover the voice portion? Any specific voice cards? VWIC-xMFT-E1? Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=52701t=52696 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE lab w/Voice [7:52696]
An analog MC3810 that could provide both analog and digital voice interfaces for testing. Since the MC3810 is EOS it is also CHEAP. Bruce Ben W wrote: If I were to put together a lab for CCIE RS, what would you recommend to get to cover the voice portion? Any specific voice cards? VWIC-xMFT-E1? Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=52715t=52696 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CCIE lab [7:52250]
if u do practice , and know the material , it is a helpJohn Brandis wrote: Hi All, Can some one plase describe for me if you have time, how the ccie lab is conducted, how you felt during the lab ? Just keen to know john Sydney, Australia ** visit http://www.solution6.com UK Customers - http://www.solution6.co.uk * This email message (and attachments) may contain information that is confidential to Solution 6. If you are not the intended recipient you cannot use, distribute or copy the message or attachments. In such a case, please notify the sender by return email immediately and erase all copies of the message and attachments. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message and attachments that do not relate to the official business of Solution 6 are neither given nor endorsed by it. * Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=52323t=52250 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE Lab 4006 SupIII - 3550 [7:48610]
As far as the CLI is concerned you DO NOT need to worry about that. Absolutely there is no diff. between CAT 4k with sup3 with 3550 switches. You have no problems in using it. Rajesh Kim Graham wrote: We are creating a lab at work to support a few functions. One of the functions is a training lab for CCIE prep. We use 4006 switches in our closets and will be a part of this lab. My question is: If we use a SupIII engine in a 4006 how different is it from a 3550? Or would a 65xx work? We may be able to ask for a 3550 but if not we are trying to find something with similar functionalities and service capabilities. Kim Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=48615t=48610 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re: CCIE Lab 4006 SupIII - 3550 [7:48610]
That will help us out then. There are a few here studying for our certifications and knowing this will ease our minds a bit. Kim From: Rajesh Kumar Date: 2002/07/11 Thu PM 03:03:34 EDT To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CCIE Lab 4006 SupIII - 3550 [7:48610] As far as the CLI is concerned you DO NOT need to worry about that. Absolutely there is no diff. between CAT 4k with sup3 with 3550 switches. You have no problems in using it. Rajesh Kim Graham wrote: We are creating a lab at work to support a few functions. One of the functions is a training lab for CCIE prep. We use 4006 switches in our closets and will be a part of this lab. My question is: If we use a SupIII engine in a 4006 how different is it from a 3550? Or would a 65xx work? We may be able to ask for a 3550 but if not we are trying to find something with similar functionalities and service capabilities. Kim Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=48625t=48610 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE Lab Preparation Workbook [7:24920]
I bought 02 books of ccbootcamp and the information isnot good.. J Jason wrote: Brad Ellis wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Jason, Hi! thanks for the information. what technical topics did we miss in our lab scenerios? also, here is the general list of equipment you can use to do our labs: I guess somehow this pass through my newsgroup reader without me noticing it. If I were to tell you what topic you missed, then obviously I'll be breaking the NDA. That's pretty much the list of gear that you need. When you say different equipment are you referring to the different cabling you need to do? There is a standard cabling methodology that we use on our racks so we do not have to re-cable the hardware. If you would like to know what that is, you can check out our website. As far as presentation goes, we have them on single sheets of paper so it makes it easier for you to do your labs. We could bind them together, but then it would make it much harder. Besides, do you really care if it looks pretty or not? The focus of our labs are to help you pass your CCIE, plain and simple. We go right for the throat, and don't mess around! :) Our scenarios our completely focused on the high-level engineer and expect the individual to really know there stuff. I thought I knew everything before I bought the bootcamp labs (and before I even knew of ccbootcamp). After I went through lab8, I realized how little I actually knew, and got my butt in gear for my studying. Anyway, I also have a standard cabling that works fine for me . I actually spent time going through the lab scenerios trying to figure out if my eqpt would works for the scenerio and how to optimize the eqpts placements , and that waste lots of time because it has to be repeated for every lab scenerio, I'm however glad that you are working on updating the scenerios. We are in the process of going through ALL of the labs, removing the errors, removing the old technologies, making the configs standardized for our racks (frame-relay interfaces, router #s, etc), and including pre-config files (for IP addresses, etc, like the new 1-day lab). It's not so much the binding as the quality of the presentation, I could scan a page and let everybody take a look at what I mean, part of the edge of the page is missing, etc..However, I don't see the point to that This info is just meant to help people decided ... The other problem is that the labs was standardise on your eqpt, i.e. if you have AGS, you assume everybody has AGS, etc... so it's difficult to find the exact number of interfaces, etc as what you have in the scenerios.. I would have replied personally, but you didnt include your email address. Sorry for the long winded response. Thanks for your input! No problem. thanks, -Brad Ellis CCIE#5796 (RS / Security) Network Learning Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] used Cisco gear: www.optsys.net CCIE Labs, racks, and classes: www.ccbootcamp.com Jason wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I'm completely unbiased since I've bought both IPExperts and CCBootCamp (and Solutionlab too). The fact that I got solutionlab and IPExpert too does say something, CCBootCamp labs are not for everybody and doesn't covers everything. Having gone through both, I would say that CCBootCamp has been the defactor standard for CCIE preparation for a long time , but mistakes starts creeping in somewhere in Lab 16 onward although Lab 19 and Lab 20 improved since. Quick Comparision First Look : The first feeling is sort of disappointment, since it's a stack of papers, with no proper binding and even some info missing from the pages due to bad photocopying. If I would give CCBootCamp a 5/10 for this, then I must give IPExperts 9/10 for this. Workbook is properly binded and all printing done on glossy high quality papers . Diagrams are all in Colors and definitely not using your inkjet printer. Lab scenerios : CCBootCamp has more diverse labs , but is more distracting due to the different eqpt requirements in each lab scenerios. IPExperts builds on individual topics, making it easier to focus and also the standard lab setup makes it easier to setup the lab and focus on configurations. IP Experts breaks their lab into 19 topics and then 5 full scenerios. CCBootCamp scenerios is more tricky in certain ways. Recommendation : CCBootCamp for more experienced engineers and IPExperts for those who wants to focus on individual topics. If you are not sure , I suggest going for IPExperts first although I would give both 8/10 for the lab scenerios . Value for money : CCBootCamp is more expensive (about 50% more) , but has been around longer and has a proven ability to provides updates although somewhat
RE: CCIE Lab Preparation workbook [7:47776]
Silju, I have all of them, and I preferred them in the following order: 1. CCBootcamp Still some typos, but a great way to work with many different setups and configs. 2. Hello Computers I only worked with lab 9, but it was a really good lab. 3. Boson I liked the two lab scenarios better than the workbook, but the workbook was still useful. 4. Solution Labs You didn't list this option, but I found it to be a good way to walk you through the code. 5. CCIE Practical Studies (Karl Solie)- Volume 1 I would have liked this book better if it had fewer typos. Great concept, weak execution. 6. IP Expert This book may be good for you, but I just didn't like the approach. I also found too many errors for my comfort. Treece -Original Message- From: Silju Pillai [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, July 01, 2002 10:19 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CCIE Lab Preparation workbook [7:47776] HI, Which lab workbook (RS) is the best to prepare for the lab... 1. IP Expert 2. CCBootcamp 3. Hello Computers 4. Boson 5. CCIE Practical Studies (Karl Solie)- Volume 1. regards, Silju Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=48004t=47776 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE Lab Intelligence [7:47973]
Chuck, You're missing something, though...there's going to be TWO of the 3550 EMI's per RACK That's right, not one, BUT TWO! Finally, a REAL Routing and SWITCHING test! Hurray! :) (I bet the sales of 3550 switches were low so they wanted to boost them some how...) One of the previous Cisco proctors who recently was promoted to another higher position within Cisco's CCIE organization and who is now responsible for the CCIE RS and CCIE Security exams will be answering questions on one of our forums in the near future. You will be able to email her directly, and she will respond publicly (assuming the question is appropriate). thanks, -Brad Ellis CCIE#5796 (RS / Security) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cisco home labs: www.optsys.net Chuck wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I've started reading the documentation for the Cat 3550 EMI L3 switch that will be making its appearance in the CCIE lab in October, and will become THE L2 device in November. It does NOT route BGP, according to the docs. Good to know. Does do CEF. Does do a s**t load of QoS. In fact, from the look of the documentation, some folks may just want to move their labs up a bit. Bet it's going to get REAL hard, REAL fast, with this new box in place. :-0 http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/lan/c3550/1219ea1/3550scg/sw iprout.htm Chuck Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=47975t=47973 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE Lab Intelligence [7:47973]
Chuck, You're missing something, though...there's going to be TWO of the 3550 EMI's per RACK That's right, not one, BUT TWO! Finally, a REAL Routing and SWITCHING test! Hurray! :) (I bet the sales of 3550 switches were low so they wanted to boost them some how...) One of the previous Cisco proctors who recently was promoted to another higher position within Cisco's CCIE organization and who is now responsible for the CCIE RS and CCIE Security exams will be answering questions on one of our forums in the near future. You will be able to email her directly, and she will respond publicly (assuming the question is appropriate). thanks, -Brad Ellis CCIE#5796 (RS / Security) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cisco home labs: www.optsys.net Chuck wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I've started reading the documentation for the Cat 3550 EMI L3 switch that will be making its appearance in the CCIE lab in October, and will become THE L2 device in November. It does NOT route BGP, according to the docs. Good to know. Does do CEF. Does do a s**t load of QoS. In fact, from the look of the documentation, some folks may just want to move their labs up a bit. Bet it's going to get REAL hard, REAL fast, with this new box in place. :-0 http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/lan/c3550/1219ea1/3550scg/sw iprout.htm Chuck Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=48031t=47973 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE Lab Help [7:47736]
hi , Can we study together ? I am also preparing for my CCIE lab suaveguru --- Lan Wong wrote: Hi Group, I've just finished my CCIE Written today after studying for two months. I need some advice as to how to start my CCIE lab study. I am not sure where or how to start. I have most of the routers I need for my lab. Could someone shed some lights as to what is the most effective way to go about this journey. TIA, LW _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=47781t=47736 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE Lab Help [7:47736]
This question comes up often enough that I put together a document with some hints for starting at www.laganiere.net, I hope it helps... --- Dennis - Original Message - From: Lan Wong To: Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 9:44 PM Subject: CCIE Lab Help [7:47736] Hi Group, I've just finished my CCIE Written today after studying for two months. I need some advice as to how to start my CCIE lab study. I am not sure where or how to start. I have most of the routers I need for my lab. Could someone shed some lights as to what is the most effective way to go about this journey. TIA, LW _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=47738t=47736 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE Lab Reading [7:45486]
I've ordered only CD with documentation, just to check how it (ordering) works. Got it, with bill for $12. Actually, it is billed to cisco partner through which we bought all equipment, but that doesn't mean that we won't have to pay for it ... Sasa Roberts, Larry wrote: www.cisco.com/upgrade Click on Product upgrade, then launch product upgrade. Enter your Agreement number... I get a message that I have no hardware upgradeable ( or something to that affect ) and then an option to select documentation. It was so right in front of my face that I missed it... Thanks Larry -Original Message- From: Kunal Bhatia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2002 12:18 PM To: Roberts, Larry; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: CCIE Lab Reading [7:45486] Can you provide some rough idea about where you found this on CCO ? -Original Message- From: Roberts, Larry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2002 10:24 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: CCIE Lab Reading [7:45486] I bet Cisco is scratching their heads trying to find out why the sudden demand on IOS manuals... After 45 minutes of searching the Site I found where to order. I don't know that I would ever find it again So I started ordering things left and right I bet I have 25+ books coming... I finally have new books to read! Thanks Larry -Original Message- From: Eric Rogers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 8:00 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CCIE Lab Reading [7:45486] Just ordered the complete copy of manuals for 12.2 IOS Documentation Set :-) THANKS for that info...I knew there was a reason for being on groupstudy... -Eric - Original Message - From: Brad Ellis To: Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 10:38 AM Subject: Re: CCIE Lab Reading [7:45486] John, I believe if you have a smartnet contract, you can get the IOS manuals free from Cisco (at least you could a couple years ago). thanks, -Brad Ellis CCIE#5796 (RS / Security) Network Learning Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.optsys.net (Cisco hardware) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Nemeth) wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... On Oct 20, 7:01pm, Chuck wrote: } } Someone who passed the lab recently advised me ( as have other folks who } have posted their success here and elsewhere ) that it remains CRITICAL that } you spend as much time as possible reading the command references as found } on CCO. Print as much out as you can. Study them. Knowing the knobs, knowing } where to find things is very helpful. eBay seller [EMAIL PROTECTED] often has complete sets of printed 12.2 manuals. The price seems to range from $100 to $200 (of course, shipping is a killer). I bought a set and they are quite nice to use for reference; although, they do take up four feet of shelf space (I need more book shelves). They are organised just like the doc CD, and you quickly learn what is where, since you can't just type a command name into a search box (I suppose you could cheat and look it up in the master index, but I haven't cracked that one open yet). }-- End of excerpt from Chuck Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=46808t=45486 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE Lab Exam Changes - Token Ring [7:46481]
I know this is going to sound terrible and I really don't want to single you or anybody else out. But honestly, if somebody didn't realize that you can do Dlsw+ on Ethernet-only , then that person probably shouldn't be thinking of doing the lab and instead should probably be trying to get more experience and seasoning. Khalsa Singh wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... How is that possible, do you have a link to a url that explains how to do it, if that's possible then I can exclude all the routers that have token ring interface, I really wanted to know, since I have made a commitment to somebody to buy the whole CCIE Lab this saturday thanks in advance Moffett, Ryan wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... DLSW can still be configured and tested without Token Ring. -Original Message- From: Khalsa Singh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 2:58 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CCIE Lab Exam Changes - Token Ring [7:46481] I'm in the middle of buying CCIE Lab Equipment to prepare for CCIE lab, my question is, do I still have to buy cisco routers with Token Ring interface to practise DLSW since it is going to be in the lab after Token Ring is completely out thanks in advance Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=46563t=46481 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE Lab Exam Changes - Token Ring [7:46481]
in fact, we used DLSW+ extensively in the production network around the region without even a single ring. The ring has been all converted abt 4 yrs ago ;) Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=46566t=46481 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE Lab Exam Changes - Token Ring [7:46481]
yes. Khalsa Singh wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I'm in the middle of buying CCIE Lab Equipment to prepare for CCIE lab, my question is, do I still have to buy cisco routers with Token Ring interface to practise DLSW since it is going to be in the lab after Token Ring is completely out thanks in advance Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=46486t=46481 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CCIE Lab Exam Changes - Token Ring [7:46481]
DLSW can still be configured and tested without Token Ring. -Original Message- From: Khalsa Singh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 2:58 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CCIE Lab Exam Changes - Token Ring [7:46481] I'm in the middle of buying CCIE Lab Equipment to prepare for CCIE lab, my question is, do I still have to buy cisco routers with Token Ring interface to practise DLSW since it is going to be in the lab after Token Ring is completely out thanks in advance Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=46488t=46481 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE Lab Exam Changes - Token Ring [7:46481]
How is that possible, do you have a link to a url that explains how to do it, if that's possible then I can exclude all the routers that have token ring interface, I really wanted to know, since I have made a commitment to somebody to buy the whole CCIE Lab this saturday thanks in advance Khalsa Singh wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I'm in the middle of buying CCIE Lab Equipment to prepare for CCIE lab, my question is, do I still have to buy cisco routers with Token Ring interface to practise DLSW since it is going to be in the lab after Token Ring is completely out thanks in advance Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=46489t=46481 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE Lab Exam Changes - Token Ring [7:46481]
How is that possible, do you have a link to a url that explains how to do it, if that's possible then I can exclude all the routers that have token ring interface, I really wanted to know, since I have made a commitment to somebody to buy the whole CCIE Lab this saturday thanks in advance Moffett, Ryan wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... DLSW can still be configured and tested without Token Ring. -Original Message- From: Khalsa Singh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 2:58 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CCIE Lab Exam Changes - Token Ring [7:46481] I'm in the middle of buying CCIE Lab Equipment to prepare for CCIE lab, my question is, do I still have to buy cisco routers with Token Ring interface to practise DLSW since it is going to be in the lab after Token Ring is completely out thanks in advance Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=46490t=46481 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CCIE Lab Exam Changes - Token Ring [7:46481]
The following links deal with DLSw and Ethernet, and DLSw topics in general http://www.cisco.com/warp/customer/697/3.html http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/697/3.html http://www.cisco.com/warp/customer/697/index.shtml http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/697/index.shtml -Original Message- From: Khalsa Singh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 3:37 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CCIE Lab Exam Changes - Token Ring [7:46481] How is that possible, do you have a link to a url that explains how to do it, if that's possible then I can exclude all the routers that have token ring interface, I really wanted to know, since I have made a commitment to somebody to buy the whole CCIE Lab this saturday thanks in advance Khalsa Singh wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I'm in the middle of buying CCIE Lab Equipment to prepare for CCIE lab, my question is, do I still have to buy cisco routers with Token Ring interface to practise DLSW since it is going to be in the lab after Token Ring is completely out thanks in advance Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=46498t=46481 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE Lab Exam Changes - Token Ring [7:46481]
Thanks Ryan, I'm confused, so when cisco says, no token ring in the CCIE lab from oct 2002 but DLSW will be there, what does that mean. Should we expect to configure DLSW on TR-to-TR network or Eth-to-Eth network or WAN or both in the Lab Khalsa Singh wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I'm in the middle of buying CCIE Lab Equipment to prepare for CCIE lab, my question is, do I still have to buy cisco routers with Token Ring interface to practise DLSW since it is going to be in the lab after Token Ring is completely out thanks in advance Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=46502t=46481 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CCIE Lab Exam Changes - Token Ring [7:46481]
My take is that while Token Ring will not be there, Ethernet will. And as such, DLSw is still a subject that can be tested. If they are removing Token Ring, then the SRB facets of DLSw are going to be dropped. -Original Message- From: Khalsa Singh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 5:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CCIE Lab Exam Changes - Token Ring [7:46481] Thanks Ryan, I'm confused, so when cisco says, no token ring in the CCIE lab from oct 2002 but DLSW will be there, what does that mean. Should we expect to configure DLSW on TR-to-TR network or Eth-to-Eth network or WAN or both in the Lab Khalsa Singh wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I'm in the middle of buying CCIE Lab Equipment to prepare for CCIE lab, my question is, do I still have to buy cisco routers with Token Ring interface to practise DLSW since it is going to be in the lab after Token Ring is completely out thanks in advance Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=46505t=46481 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CCIE Lab Exam Changes - Token Ring [7:46481]
How about over a WAN link?!?! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Khalsa Singh Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 5:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CCIE Lab Exam Changes - Token Ring [7:46481] Thanks Ryan, I'm confused, so when cisco says, no token ring in the CCIE lab from oct 2002 but DLSW will be there, what does that mean. Should we expect to configure DLSW on TR-to-TR network or Eth-to-Eth network or WAN or both in the Lab Khalsa Singh wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I'm in the middle of buying CCIE Lab Equipment to prepare for CCIE lab, my question is, do I still have to buy cisco routers with Token Ring interface to practise DLSW since it is going to be in the lab after Token Ring is completely out thanks in advance Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=46506t=46481 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CCIE Lab Exam Changes - Token Ring [7:46481]
I recall reading somewhere, maybe this board, that you can create virtual Token-Ring interfaces. On my 2500/2600 and 4500 series routers I can do the following: ROUTER1(config)#int virtual-TokenRing ? Virtual-TokenRing interface number Here is an example: ROUTER4(config)#int virtual-To ROUTER4(config)#int virtual-TokenRing 1 ROUTER4(config-if)#end ROUTER4#sh int v 00:10:16: %SYS-5-CONFIG_I: Configured from console by consoleir ROUTER4#sh int virtual-TokenRing 1 Virtual-TokenRing1 is up, line protocol is up Hardware is Virtual-TokenRing, address is 4000..0008 (bia 4000..0008) MTU 8136 bytes, BW 16000 Kbit, DLY 5000 usec, reliability 255/255, txload 1/255, rxload 1/255 Encapsulation SNAP, loopback not set ARP type: SNAP, ARP Timeout 04:00:00 Last input never, output never, output hang never Last clearing of show interface counters never Input queue: 0/75/0/0 (size/max/drops/flushes); Total output drops: 0 Queueing strategy: fifo Output queue :0/0 (size/max) 5 minute input rate 0 bits/sec, 0 packets/sec 5 minute output rate 0 bits/sec, 0 packets/sec 0 packets input, 0 bytes, 0 no buffer Received 0 broadcasts, 0 runts, 0 giants, 0 throttles 0 input errors, 0 CRC, 0 frame, 0 overrun, 0 ignored, 0 abort 0 packets output, 0 bytes, 0 underruns 0 output errors, 0 collisions, 0 interface resets 0 output buffer failures, 0 output buffers swapped out 0 transitions ROUTER4# I forgot which IOS version this featured first appeared in. But it works in 12.1 Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=46507t=46481 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE Lab Exam Changes - Token Ring [7:46481]
It will be Ethernet only. No TR interfaces at al will be in the lab. Khalsa Singh wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Thanks Ryan, I'm confused, so when cisco says, no token ring in the CCIE lab from oct 2002 but DLSW will be there, what does that mean. Should we expect to configure DLSW on TR-to-TR network or Eth-to-Eth network or WAN or both in the Lab Khalsa Singh wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I'm in the middle of buying CCIE Lab Equipment to prepare for CCIE lab, my question is, do I still have to buy cisco routers with Token Ring interface to practise DLSW since it is going to be in the lab after Token Ring is completely out thanks in advance Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=46508t=46481 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE Lab Exam Changes - Token Ring [7:46481]
Although it is heavy into the token ring side of things, I still highly recommend Tan Nam-Kee's book Configuring Cisco routers for Bridging, DLSw+, Desktop protocols. Any student at the CCIE level should be able to take the labs from that book and transfer them into an ethernet environment. And even that doesn't matter so much. Those who have been through the Lab in the last 6 months I'm sure will be happy to tell you about the DLSw problems they experienced over all kinds of links, not just token ring. :- Take the next step, partner. HTH Khalsa Singh wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... How is that possible, do you have a link to a url that explains how to do it, if that's possible then I can exclude all the routers that have token ring interface, I really wanted to know, since I have made a commitment to somebody to buy the whole CCIE Lab this saturday thanks in advance Moffett, Ryan wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... DLSW can still be configured and tested without Token Ring. -Original Message- From: Khalsa Singh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 2:58 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CCIE Lab Exam Changes - Token Ring [7:46481] I'm in the middle of buying CCIE Lab Equipment to prepare for CCIE lab, my question is, do I still have to buy cisco routers with Token Ring interface to practise DLSW since it is going to be in the lab after Token Ring is completely out thanks in advance Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=46544t=46481 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CCIE LAB EXAM CHANGES..... [7:46377]
I bet you find these topics take a higher precedence in the new written exam... :) --- Dennis -Original Message- From: Mike Needham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 2:44 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CCIE LAB EXAM CHANGES. OK Guys get ready... It is going to get a little more complex. When something is taken away usually something harder takes is place :( CCIE candidates should note changes to the technical content and equipment in the lab exam. Effective October 1st, 2002, candidates will no longer be tested in the areas of IGRP, Token Ring, Token Ring Switching, or IPX. Note: DLSW+ will remain as a protocol that can be tested in the lab. The Catalyst 5500 switch will be replaced with the Catalyst 3550. http://www.cisco.com/warp/customer/625/ccie/ccie_program/whatsnew.html#18 [GroupStudy.com removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name of mineedha.vcf] _ Commercial lab list: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/commercial.html Please discuss commercial lab solutions on this list. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=46377t=46377 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE LAB EXAM CHANGES..... [7:46389]
Great... Now where am I going to get a 3550 and not pay an arm and a leg for it. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=46389t=46389 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CCIE LAB EXAM CHANGES..... [7:46390]
You could trade in your 3900 - should sell for more than the 3500 as it is a higher number ;) (which I think means just kidding) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 9:29 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CCIE LAB EXAM CHANGES. Great... Now where am I going to get a 3550 and not pay an arm and a leg for it. _ Commercial lab list: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/commercial.html Please discuss commercial lab solutions on this list. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=46390t=46390 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
