Re: CCIE salary
The DC market rate for CCIE's is around $125. This varies with how long you have been a CCIE and what else you know... Z >From: Stephane Wantou Siantou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: Stephane Wantou Siantou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: CCIE salary >Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 00:40:02 -0500 (EST) > > Hi everybody, > > Does anybody know approximately what the average CCIE makes in the >DC area? > Thanks > > >_ >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE salary
How much can a CCNP with SUN certification expect with 6 yrs experience in varying fields ? "Mask Of Zorro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > The DC market rate for CCIE's is around $125. This varies with how long you > have been a CCIE and what else you know... > > Z > > >From: Stephane Wantou Siantou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: Stephane Wantou Siantou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: CCIE salary > >Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 00:40:02 -0500 (EST) > > > > Hi everybody, > > > > Does anybody know approximately what the average CCIE makes in the > >DC area? > > Thanks > > > > > >_ > >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > _ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE salary
Is it per year or month.. Kiran On Wed, 21 Feb 2001, Mask Of Zorro wrote: > CCNP's make between $60K and $75K > > Z > > > >From: "AndyD" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: "AndyD" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: Re: CCIE salary > >Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 19:55:53 -0800 > > > >How about CCNP's?? > > > > > >""Mask Of Zorro"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > >[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > > > > The DC market rate for CCIE's is around $125. This varies with how long > >you > > > have been a CCIE and what else you know... > > > > > > Z > > > > > > >From: Stephane Wantou Siantou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >Reply-To: Stephane Wantou Siantou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >Subject: CCIE salary > > > >Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 00:40:02 -0500 (EST) > > > > > > > > Hi everybody, > > > > > > > > Does anybody know approximately what the average CCIE makes in the > > > >DC area? > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > >_ > > > >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > > > >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > > > >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > _ > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > _ > > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > >_ > >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > _ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE salary
How about CCNP's?? ""Mask Of Zorro"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > The DC market rate for CCIE's is around $125. This varies with how long you > have been a CCIE and what else you know... > > Z > > >From: Stephane Wantou Siantou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: Stephane Wantou Siantou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: CCIE salary > >Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 00:40:02 -0500 (EST) > > > > Hi everybody, > > > > Does anybody know approximately what the average CCIE makes in the > >DC area? > > Thanks > > > > > >_ > >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > _ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE salary
CCNP's make between $60K and $75K Z >From: "AndyD" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: "AndyD" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: CCIE salary >Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 19:55:53 -0800 > >How about CCNP's?? > > >""Mask Of Zorro"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message >[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > > The DC market rate for CCIE's is around $125. This varies with how long >you > > have been a CCIE and what else you know... > > > > Z > > > > >From: Stephane Wantou Siantou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Reply-To: Stephane Wantou Siantou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >Subject: CCIE salary > > >Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 00:40:02 -0500 (EST) > > > > > > Hi everybody, > > > > > > Does anybody know approximately what the average CCIE makes in the > > >DC area? > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > >_ > > >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > > >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > > >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > _ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > _ > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > >_ >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE salary
On Thu, 22 Feb 2001, Gayathri wrote: > > How much can a CCNP with SUN certification expect with 6 yrs experience in > varying fields ? It depends. It depends on where you are, it depends on who hires you, it depends on what you do for them. Links to salary calculators have already been posted. Use them. _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE salary
The thing is, nothing other than the CCIE cert matters... CCNA = difficult to find a job CCNP = around $65k annually SUN certs = around $65k annually MCSE = around $55k annually CNE5 = around $45k annually Notes certs = around $60k annually Here's the catch: CCNP, plus SUN cert, plus MCSE, plus CNE5 = around $65k annually. CCIE = around $125 annually The difference is that CCIE's will get higher end, network architect type positions, while all the other certs will get you Systems Administrator jobs that might also have responsibility for a router or switch or two... Outside the System Admin circle, there simply isn't the demand for these lower end certs. If you want to design and build large, complex enterprise networks, you wimply won't get that job until you are a CCIE. If you want to administer those networks and the systems that reside on them, then these lower certs are your ticket to an interview... This is the DC, Baltimore, Northern Virginia market mindset, but I expect that things are similar elsewhere. Z >From: "Gayathri" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: "Gayathri" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: CCIE salary >Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 14:35:26 +0800 > >How much can a CCNP with SUN certification expect with 6 yrs experience in >varying fields ? > > >"Mask Of Zorro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message >[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > > The DC market rate for CCIE's is around $125. This varies with how long >you > > have been a CCIE and what else you know... > > > > Z > > > > >From: Stephane Wantou Siantou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Reply-To: Stephane Wantou Siantou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >Subject: CCIE salary > > >Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 00:40:02 -0500 (EST) > > > > > > Hi everybody, > > > > > > Does anybody know approximately what the average CCIE makes in the > > >DC area? > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > >_ > > >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > > >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > > >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > _ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > _ > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > >_ >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE salary
A better question would be "what is the mean or medium rate for persons of such and such experience with such and such designations working in a primarily technical role in a specific area" You have to be that specific for answers to have any value whatsoever. I would recommend that people hit the mentioned job lists, tap into a recruiter or look into salary surveys that are widely posted and please try and stop stereotyping based on certification. Employers don't. -pete *** REPLY SEPARATOR *** On 2/22/2001 at 2:35 PM Gayathri wrote: >How much can a CCNP with SUN certification expect with 6 yrs experience in >varying fields ? > > >"Mask Of Zorro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message >[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... >> >> The DC market rate for CCIE's is around $125. This varies with how long >you >> have been a CCIE and what else you know... >> >> Z >> >> >From: Stephane Wantou Siantou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >Reply-To: Stephane Wantou Siantou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >Subject: CCIE salary >> >Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 00:40:02 -0500 (EST) >> > >> > Hi everybody, >> > >> > Does anybody know approximately what the average CCIE makes in the >> >DC area? >> > Thanks >> > >> > >> >_ >> >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: >> >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html >> >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> _ >> Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com >> >> _ >> FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html >> Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > > >_ >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CCIE salary
Things are very similar here. The thing I've found in Michigan is that most people with certs get jobs based on the certs, not their knowledge. This really really isn't fair for people who got the certs BECAUSE they were knowledgable in that area, but that's life. Around here, depending on the size of the company, an MCSE can make 55-90k, a CCNA can make 45-60k, a CCNP makes 55-80k, a CNE5 (only Novell) makes about 50k and a CCIE can make 130-150k. The two CCIEs I know both make over 150k because they do nothing but design massive networks for ISPs and backbone providers. Denis Denis A. Baldwin - Network Administrator A+ / Network + / I-Net+ / MCP -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mask Of Zorro Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2001 9:39 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CCIE salary The thing is, nothing other than the CCIE cert matters... CCNA = difficult to find a job CCNP = around $65k annually SUN certs = around $65k annually MCSE = around $55k annually CNE5 = around $45k annually Notes certs = around $60k annually Here's the catch: CCNP, plus SUN cert, plus MCSE, plus CNE5 = around $65k annually. CCIE = around $125 annually The difference is that CCIE's will get higher end, network architect type positions, while all the other certs will get you Systems Administrator jobs that might also have responsibility for a router or switch or two... Outside the System Admin circle, there simply isn't the demand for these lower end certs. If you want to design and build large, complex enterprise networks, you wimply won't get that job until you are a CCIE. If you want to administer those networks and the systems that reside on them, then these lower certs are your ticket to an interview... This is the DC, Baltimore, Northern Virginia market mindset, but I expect that things are similar elsewhere. Z >From: "Gayathri" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: "Gayathri" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: CCIE salary >Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 14:35:26 +0800 > >How much can a CCNP with SUN certification expect with 6 yrs experience in >varying fields ? > > >"Mask Of Zorro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message >[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > > The DC market rate for CCIE's is around $125. This varies with how long >you > > have been a CCIE and what else you know... > > > > Z > > > > >From: Stephane Wantou Siantou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Reply-To: Stephane Wantou Siantou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >Subject: CCIE salary > > >Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 00:40:02 -0500 (EST) > > > > > > Hi everybody, > > > > > > Does anybody know approximately what the average CCIE makes in the > > >DC area? > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > >_ > > >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > > >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > > >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > _ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > _ > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > >_ >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE salary
This sounds light to me... Are you talking about full-time employment where you go into work everyday, at your company, and work on your company's network? You must be. In that kind of environment, maybe this is the going rate. I have no exposure to that kind of environment. You'd easily make 20% more than this as a consultant with a respectable company. The Metro D.C. area is littered with consulting companies, many of which are simply staff augmentation/body shop oriented. There are, however, a growing number of quality "project oriented" firms. These companies are paying much better, because they know how to bid a job correctly, and they can bring the right people and skillsets to bear ensuring that they get the work done ahead of schedule. They get the CCIEs and experienced designers involved early, to do the requirements analysis, and set the design. Then they roll them out, and bring in the CCNPs to implement. At that point, the high level guys have moved on to the next project, and are only needed to address specific complex issues if they arise. If they've done their jobs correctly, they shouldn't need to be involved at all. I have never had any desire to work in a static environment, for years on end. I have been on the consulting end for my entire professional life. There are trade-offs. There is some degree of travel that is to be expected, and the hours are not necessarily fixed. If you are of the 9-to-5 mindset, then you certainly don't want to be a consultant. If you enjoy a constant state of change, then it's probably something you ought to consider. What are your goals? Alan - Original Message - From: "Mask Of Zorro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2001 9:38 AM Subject: Re: CCIE salary > The thing is, nothing other than the CCIE cert matters... > > CCNA = difficult to find a job > CCNP = around $65k annually > SUN certs = around $65k annually > MCSE = around $55k annually > CNE5 = around $45k annually > Notes certs = around $60k annually > > Here's the catch: CCNP, plus SUN cert, plus MCSE, plus CNE5 = around $65k > annually. > > CCIE = around $125 annually > > The difference is that CCIE's will get higher end, network architect type > positions, while all the other certs will get you Systems Administrator jobs > that might also have responsibility for a router or switch or two... > > Outside the System Admin circle, there simply isn't the demand for these > lower end certs. If you want to design and build large, complex enterprise > networks, you wimply won't get that job until you are a CCIE. If you want to > administer those networks and the systems that reside on them, then these > lower certs are your ticket to an interview... > > This is the DC, Baltimore, Northern Virginia market mindset, but I expect > that things are similar elsewhere. > > Z > > > >From: "Gayathri" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: "Gayathri" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: Re: CCIE salary > >Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 14:35:26 +0800 > > > >How much can a CCNP with SUN certification expect with 6 yrs experience in > >varying fields ? > > > > > >"Mask Of Zorro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > >[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > > > > The DC market rate for CCIE's is around $125. This varies with how long > >you > > > have been a CCIE and what else you know... > > > > > > Z > > > > > > >From: Stephane Wantou Siantou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >Reply-To: Stephane Wantou Siantou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >Subject: CCIE salary > > > >Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 00:40:02 -0500 (EST) > > > > > > > > Hi everybody, > > > > > > > > Does anybody know approximately what the average CCIE makes in the > > > >DC area? > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > >_ > > > >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > > > >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > > > >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > _ > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > _ > > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > >http://www.gr
RE: CCIE salary
Add about 40% to 50% for here in the Silicon Valley, but than subtract about 80% to 90% of the adjusted total for the cost of living! -Original Message- From: Mask Of Zorro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2001 6:39 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CCIE salary The thing is, nothing other than the CCIE cert matters... CCNA = difficult to find a job CCNP = around $65k annually SUN certs = around $65k annually MCSE = around $55k annually CNE5 = around $45k annually Notes certs = around $60k annually Here's the catch: CCNP, plus SUN cert, plus MCSE, plus CNE5 = around $65k annually. CCIE = around $125 annually The difference is that CCIE's will get higher end, network architect type positions, while all the other certs will get you Systems Administrator jobs that might also have responsibility for a router or switch or two... Outside the System Admin circle, there simply isn't the demand for these lower end certs. If you want to design and build large, complex enterprise networks, you wimply won't get that job until you are a CCIE. If you want to administer those networks and the systems that reside on them, then these lower certs are your ticket to an interview... This is the DC, Baltimore, Northern Virginia market mindset, but I expect that things are similar elsewhere. Z >From: "Gayathri" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: "Gayathri" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: CCIE salary >Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 14:35:26 +0800 > >How much can a CCNP with SUN certification expect with 6 yrs experience in >varying fields ? > > >"Mask Of Zorro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message >[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > > The DC market rate for CCIE's is around $125. This varies with how long >you > > have been a CCIE and what else you know... > > > > Z > > > > >From: Stephane Wantou Siantou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Reply-To: Stephane Wantou Siantou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >Subject: CCIE salary > > >Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 00:40:02 -0500 (EST) > > > > > > Hi everybody, > > > > > > Does anybody know approximately what the average CCIE makes in the > > >DC area? > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > >_ > > >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > > >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > > >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > _ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > _ > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > >_ >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I hear these stories from time to time, but have yet to see them (11 years as a consultant in this market). These higher paying, better quality jobs (for CCNP's and such) might be one or two in a hundred. What I described earlier is typical of the "Beltway bandits" in the area, which are primarily as you describe - "body shops". Z >From: "W. Alan Robertson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: "W. Alan Robertson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: CCIE salary >Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 10:51:01 -0500 > >This sounds light to me... > >Are you talking about full-time employment where you go into work everyday, >at your company, and work on your company's network? You must be. In that >kind of environment, maybe this is the going rate. I have no exposure to >that kind of environment. > >You'd easily make 20% more than this as a consultant with a respectable >company. The Metro D.C. area is littered with consulting companies, many >of >which are simply staff augmentation/body shop oriented. There are, >however, >a growing number of quality "project oriented" firms. These companies are >paying much better, because they know how to bid a job correctly, and they >can bring the right people and skillsets to bear ensuring that they get the >work done ahead of schedule. > >They get the CCIEs and experienced designers involved early, to do the >requirements analysis, and set the design. Then they roll them out, and >bring in the CCNPs to implement. At that point, the high level guys have >moved on to the next project, and are only needed to address specific >complex issues if they arise. If they've done their jobs correctly, they >shouldn't need to be involved at all. > >I have never had any desire to work in a static environment, for years on >end. I have been on the consulting end for my entire professional life. >There are trade-offs. There is some degree of travel that is to be >expected, and the hours are not necessarily fixed. If you are of the >9-to-5 >mindset, then you certainly don't want to be a consultant. If you enjoy a >constant state of change, then it's probably something you ought to >consider. > >What are your goals? > >Alan > >- Original Message - >From: "Mask Of Zorro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2001 9:38 AM >Subject: Re: CCIE salary > > > > The thing is, nothing other than the CCIE cert matters... > > > > CCNA = difficult to find a job > > CCNP = around $65k annually > > SUN certs = around $65k annually > > MCSE = around $55k annually > > CNE5 = around $45k annually > > Notes certs = around $60k annually > > > > Here's the catch: CCNP, plus SUN cert, plus MCSE, plus CNE5 = around >$65k > > annually. > > > > CCIE = around $125 annually > > > > The difference is that CCIE's will get higher end, network architect >type > > positions, while all the other certs will get you Systems Administrator >jobs > > that might also have responsibility for a router or switch or two... > > > > Outside the System Admin circle, there simply isn't the demand for these > > lower end certs. If you want to design and build large, complex >enterprise > > networks, you wimply won't get that job until you are a CCIE. If you >want >to > > administer those networks and the systems that reside on them, then >these > > lower certs are your ticket to an interview... > > > > This is the DC, Baltimore, Northern Virginia market mindset, but I >expect > > that things are similar elsewhere. > > > > Z > > > > > > >From: "Gayathri" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Reply-To: "Gayathri" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >Subject: Re: CCIE salary > > >Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 14:35:26 +0800 > > > > > >How much can a CCNP with SUN certification expect with 6 yrs >experience >in > > >varying fields ? > > > > > > > > >"Mask Of Zorro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > > > > > > The DC market rate for CCIE's is around $125. This varies with how >long > > >you > > > > have been a CCIE and what else you know... > > > > > > > > Z > > > > > > > > >Fro
Re: CCIE salary
Thanks for all the varying thoughts, It is good to hear first hand information from like minded people than to visit some recruiters/head hunters web sites and make wild guess. It looks like CCIE is the ultimate. These middle level certificates only land you in a sys admin job.. "Mask Of Zorro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > The DC market rate for CCIE's is around $125. This varies with how long you > have been a CCIE and what else you know... > > Z > > >From: Stephane Wantou Siantou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: Stephane Wantou Siantou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: CCIE salary > >Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 00:40:02 -0500 (EST) > > > > Hi everybody, > > > > Does anybody know approximately what the average CCIE makes in the > >DC area? > > Thanks > > > > > >_ > >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > _ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Not necessarily, don't you think these salaries depend on the market you are in? For example New York, California, Texas, maybe Atlanta etc. I happen to know that a CCNP can make a lot more money that $65K ...heck I know of CCNA's that are making more that $65K both in New York and Atlanta. >From: "Mask Of Zorro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: "Mask Of Zorro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: CCIE salary >Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 09:38:49 -0500 > >The thing is, nothing other than the CCIE cert matters... > >CCNA = difficult to find a job >CCNP = around $65k annually >SUN certs = around $65k annually >MCSE = around $55k annually >CNE5 = around $45k annually >Notes certs = around $60k annually > >Here's the catch: CCNP, plus SUN cert, plus MCSE, plus CNE5 = around $65k >annually. > >CCIE = around $125 annually > >The difference is that CCIE's will get higher end, network architect type >positions, while all the other certs will get you Systems Administrator >jobs >that might also have responsibility for a router or switch or two... > >Outside the System Admin circle, there simply isn't the demand for these >lower end certs. If you want to design and build large, complex enterprise >networks, you wimply won't get that job until you are a CCIE. If you want >to >administer those networks and the systems that reside on them, then these >lower certs are your ticket to an interview... > >This is the DC, Baltimore, Northern Virginia market mindset, but I expect >that things are similar elsewhere. > >Z > > > >From: "Gayathri" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: "Gayathri" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: Re: CCIE salary > >Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 14:35:26 +0800 > > > >How much can a CCNP with SUN certification expect with 6 yrs experience >in > >varying fields ? > > > > > >"Mask Of Zorro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > >[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > > > > The DC market rate for CCIE's is around $125. This varies with how >long > >you > > > have been a CCIE and what else you know... > > > > > > Z > > > > > > >From: Stephane Wantou Siantou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >Reply-To: Stephane Wantou Siantou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >Subject: CCIE salary > > > >Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 00:40:02 -0500 (EST) > > > > > > > > Hi everybody, > > > > > > > > Does anybody know approximately what the average CCIE makes in the > > > >DC area? > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > >_ > > > >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > > > >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > > > >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > _ > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > _ > > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > >_ > >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >_ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > >_ >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Fri, 23 Feb 2001, Gayathri wrote: > Thanks for all the varying thoughts, > > It is good to hear first hand information from like minded people than to > visit some recruiters/head hunters web sites and make wild guess. > > It looks like CCIE is the ultimate. These middle level certificates only > land you in a sys admin job.. This really isn't true. Lets look at some basic facts: There are only ~6000 or so CCIE's in the world, possibly as many as 30% are employed by cisco. There are over 6000 ISP's in the US alone. There are over 7000 AS's in the world. My point is, that if most of your CCIE's work for cisco and big big companies, then their are a ton of networks, complex networks, that don't even have CCIE's at the healm. Even a large company like UUnet may only have a handfull of CCIE's. Their is very few CCIE's, and very many networks that need help. I am not talking about simple networks, but complex networks with complex issues. Brian --- I'm buying / selling used CISCO gear!! email me for a quote Brian Feeny,CCDP,CCNP+VAS Scarlett Parria [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Netjam, LLC http://www.netjam.net 1401 Oden St. Suite 18 Shreveport, LA 71104 318-222-2638 x 109318-222-2638 x 101 Fax 318-221-6612 _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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That's a pretty broad stroke you're painting. The CCIE is great, but the other certs can get you very good paying jobs. Especially if you have good experience with it. I made very good money as a CCNP, alot more than what was quoted to you - $65K. And I live in city that has very low cost of living. I have at least 5 CCNP friends making just about the same. None of us are sys admins. Now that I'm a CCIE, it is indeed alot easier to ask for more, but I wouldn't skip the CCNP straight for the IE. The NP gives you the incremental raises as you work your way up to IE. It would suck to get 7% per year for 2-3 years as you tried for the #. The NP gets your more. --- Gayathri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thanks for all the varying thoughts, > > It is good to hear first hand information from like > minded people than to > visit some recruiters/head hunters web sites and > make wild guess. > > It looks like CCIE is the ultimate. These middle > level certificates only > land you in a sys admin job.. > > > > > "Mask Of Zorro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in > message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > > The DC market rate for CCIE's is around $125. This > varies with how long > you > > have been a CCIE and what else you know... > > > > Z > > > > >From: Stephane Wantou Siantou > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Reply-To: Stephane Wantou Siantou > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >Subject: CCIE salary > > >Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 00:40:02 -0500 (EST) > > > > > > Hi everybody, > > > > > > Does anybody know approximately what the average > CCIE makes in the > > >DC area? > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > >_ > > >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > > >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > > >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > _ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com > > > > _ > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! http://auctions.yahoo.com/ _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>On Fri, 23 Feb 2001, Gayathri wrote: > >> Thanks for all the varying thoughts, >> >> It is good to hear first hand information from like minded people than to >> visit some recruiters/head hunters web sites and make wild guess. >> >> It looks like CCIE is the ultimate. These middle level certificates only > > land you in a sys admin job.. I have to ask, Gayathri, what do you consider the ultimate with respect to jobs? I'll talk more about the role of CCIE in large carrier operations, but, if your "ultimate" includes network product development, no vendor certification is particularly relevant. Brian continued, > >This really isn't true. Lets look at some basic facts: > >There are only ~6000 or so CCIE's in the world, possibly as many as 30% >are employed by cisco. > >There are over 6000 ISP's in the US alone. > >There are over 7000 AS's in the world. > >My point is, that if most of your CCIE's work for cisco and big big >companies, then their are a ton of networks, complex networks, that don't >even have CCIE's at the healm. Even a large company like UUnet may only >have a handfull of CCIE's. And again, CCIE, as presently constituted, isn't all that relevant to large carrier operations. I think you'll find that many CCIEs employed by large carriers may work more in system integration than backbones. No major carrier is all-Cisco, for both technical and business reasons. First, although the model is always evolving, there is usually, at the very least, a complex layer 1/2 system (SONET/SDH, ATM) that interconnects major internal hubs and POPs. Routing is overlaid onto this system. MPLS will reverse this paradigm, using routing to find paths over which MPLS tunnels can be constructed. Cisco is not dominant in the layer 1/2 area. Yes, the ex-Stratacom WAN switches have a real market position, but so do Lucent/Ascend, Nortel, etc. In the optical transmission area, companies such as Nortel and Lucent have large installed bases, and there are many competitive new firms such as Sycamore. Second, access technologies also is a very competitive area. I remember when the Cisco 5200 series was first offered as the "Ascend killer." It wasn't. Third, while Cisco dominates in enterprise routers, there's significant competition, from Juniper above all, in the large provider space. Fourth, CCIE-level routing policy and BGP don't begin to approach the complexity of a large carrier routing system. From the business standpoint, large carriers deal directly with Cisco, so do not have the reseller's incentive to have certified people on staff in order to get better discounts. Please don't misunderstand what I'm saying. Accomplishing CCIE certification is very meaningful. But it isn't the pinnacle of networking -- there is no single pinnacle. It would be difficult to get much done, for example, in the IETF without a reasonably strong computer science background. RFCs, except for a few informational ones, are vendor-independent, so extensive Cisco experience still doesn't prepare people to design protocols and operational techniques in a more general way. While, for economic reasons, resellers may assign CCIEs to do design and presales, the CCIE blueprint doesn't emphasize design issues. Many of the issues I have to deal with in designing networks with thousands of routers aren't all that Cisco-specific, but apt to be requirements analysis, statistical and operations research, addressing & naming policy, etc. > >Their is very few CCIE's, and very many networks that need help. I am not >talking about simple networks, but complex networks with complex issues. > >Brian > > >--- > I'm buying / selling used CISCO gear!! > email me for a quote > >Brian Feeny,CCDP,CCNP+VAS Scarlett Parria >[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Netjam, LLC >http://www.netjam.net >1401 Oden St. >Suite 18 >Shreveport, LA 71104 >318-222-2638 x 109318-222-2638 x 101 >Fax 318-221-6612 > >_ >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Brian wrote: > > This really isn't true. Lets look at some basic facts: > > There are only ~6000 or so CCIE's in the world, possibly as many as 30% > are employed by cisco. > > There are over 6000 ISP's in the US alone. > > There are over 7000 AS's in the world. > > My point is, that if most of your CCIE's work for cisco and big big > companies, then their are a ton of networks, complex networks, that don't > even have CCIE's at the healm. Even a large company like UUnet may only > have a handfull of CCIE's. > Also take into account the large number of CCIE's who make their wages at training companies, and who aren't in the field. I know that when I was with IBM Global Network Services, we had just 2 that I knew of... _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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The CCIE program does little to develop the skill set of a pure IP engineer in a ISP environment. CCIE has little bearing in my opinion when candidate are interviewed for senior IP architectural positions. CCIE is really an enterprise discipline. Pete *** REPLY SEPARATOR *** On 2/23/2001 at 9:20 AM Drew Simonis wrote: >Brian wrote: >> >> This really isn't true. Lets look at some basic facts: >> >> There are only ~6000 or so CCIE's in the world, possibly as many as 30% >> are employed by cisco. >> >> There are over 6000 ISP's in the US alone. >> >> There are over 7000 AS's in the world. >> >> My point is, that if most of your CCIE's work for cisco and big big >> companies, then their are a ton of networks, complex networks, that don't >> even have CCIE's at the healm. Even a large company like UUnet may only >> have a handfull of CCIE's. >> > > >Also take into account the large number of CCIE's who make their >wages at training companies, and who aren't in the field. I know >that when I was with IBM Global Network Services, we had just 2 >that I knew of... > >_ >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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At Sprint we have a few CCIEs.. But not as many as you think - and we are the #1 reseller of Cisco equipment in the U.S.. I have put my CCIE on hold for now, since I know what CCIEs in Las Vegas earn versus what I make now. The problem is that in the real world, people start to become specialists, and my job title has me working in the field of IP Telephony as well as 802.11b WLANs. So, getting my CCIE right now won't do much. I may go for the CCIE Design later this year. But I recently left my old employer as a "Network Engineer" (designing/merging/expanding our network and troublshoting problems) and recently started at Sprint Long Distance doing Pre-Sales Engineering in 5 different states. My product range is: Nortel PBXs, Nortel Routers/Switches (there are more our there than you think!), Cisco AVVID product line, and Aironet product line. I've had experience with VoATM and VoFR at my last job, setting up tie lines from PBX to PBX over the WAN. IP Phones are new to me, but I'll be traveling to Ontario, Canada, to play at Nortel, and flying to North Carolina to play in Sprint's AVVID lab .. oh yea, I'm going to some Cisco IP Telephony/Call Center training too. :-) - Original Message - From: "Peter Van Oene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2001 9:47 AM Subject: Re: CCIE salary > The CCIE program does little to develop the skill set of a pure IP engineer in a ISP environment. CCIE has little bearing in my opinion when candidate are interviewed for senior IP architectural positions. CCIE is really an enterprise discipline. > > Pete > > > *** REPLY SEPARATOR *** > > On 2/23/2001 at 9:20 AM Drew Simonis wrote: > > >Brian wrote: > >> > >> This really isn't true. Lets look at some basic facts: > >> > >> There are only ~6000 or so CCIE's in the world, possibly as many as 30% > >> are employed by cisco. > >> > >> There are over 6000 ISP's in the US alone. > >> > >> There are over 7000 AS's in the world. > >> > >> My point is, that if most of your CCIE's work for cisco and big big > >> companies, then their are a ton of networks, complex networks, that don't > >> even have CCIE's at the healm. Even a large company like UUnet may only > >> have a handfull of CCIE's. > >> > > > > > >Also take into account the large number of CCIE's who make their > >wages at training companies, and who aren't in the field. I know > >that when I was with IBM Global Network Services, we had just 2 > >that I knew of... > > > >_ > >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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In my opinion, CCIE is a test of ability of learning and using knowledge, not a test of knowledge itself. No matter a CCIE or not, you can be an expert in Wireless or Optical or other arena, because you have been working on those stuff for a while and you are following it. No body compares a ISP senior engineer who has no certification to CCIE working in enterprise his/her whole life. But in my mind as long as that guy is an CCIE, he should have no problem picking up the job of the ISP senior engineer giving a short time. Jack ""Mark Holloway"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 006d01c09dc7$4e10caf0$111fea18@platypus">news:006d01c09dc7$4e10caf0$111fea18@platypus... > At Sprint we have a few CCIEs.. But not as many as you think - and we are > the #1 reseller of Cisco equipment in the U.S.. I have put my CCIE on hold > for now, since I know what CCIEs in Las Vegas earn versus what I make now. > The problem is that in the real world, people start to become specialists, > and my job title has me working in the field of IP Telephony as well as > 802.11b WLANs. So, getting my CCIE right now won't do much. I may go for > the CCIE Design later this year. But I recently left my old employer as a > "Network Engineer" (designing/merging/expanding our network and > troublshoting problems) and recently started at Sprint Long Distance doing > Pre-Sales Engineering in 5 different states. My product range is: Nortel > PBXs, Nortel Routers/Switches (there are more our there than you think!), > Cisco AVVID product line, and Aironet product line. I've had experience > with VoATM and VoFR at my last job, setting up tie lines from PBX to PBX > over the WAN. IP Phones are new to me, but I'll be traveling to Ontario, > Canada, to play at Nortel, and flying to North Carolina to play in Sprint's > AVVID lab .. oh yea, I'm going to some Cisco IP Telephony/Call Center > training too. :-) > > > > > - Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Van Oene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Friday, February 23, 2001 9:47 AM > Subject: Re: CCIE salary > > > > The CCIE program does little to develop the skill set of a pure IP > engineer in a ISP environment. CCIE has little bearing in my opinion when > candidate are interviewed for senior IP architectural positions. CCIE is > really an enterprise discipline. > > > > Pete > > > > > > *** REPLY SEPARATOR *** > > > > On 2/23/2001 at 9:20 AM Drew Simonis wrote: > > > > >Brian wrote: > > >> > > >> This really isn't true. Lets look at some basic facts: > > >> > > >> There are only ~6000 or so CCIE's in the world, possibly as many as 30% > > >> are employed by cisco. > > >> > > >> There are over 6000 ISP's in the US alone. > > >> > > >> There are over 7000 AS's in the world. > > >> > > >> My point is, that if most of your CCIE's work for cisco and big big > > >> companies, then their are a ton of networks, complex networks, that > don't > > >> even have CCIE's at the healm. Even a large company like UUnet may > only > > >> have a handfull of CCIE's. > > >> > > > > > > > > >Also take into account the large number of CCIE's who make their > > >wages at training companies, and who aren't in the field. I know > > >that when I was with IBM Global Network Services, we had just 2 > > >that I knew of... > > > > > >_ > > >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > > >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > _ > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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For me, the CCIE is more of a personal gain than a career booster. I think anyone who has been working in a WAN environment for 3 or more years should know most of what a CCIE would encounter on a daily basis. Remember, the CCIE makes you an expert in ALL areas, but some technologies you bump into only once in a while. I would say I'm about equal to a CCIE in high speed Ethernet networks in a Layer 3 Switched environment, also ATM in the WAN, Frame Relay, etc.. I've also had a tremendous amount of experience with 802.11b Aironet and Cisco PIX too. These are two things not covered in the CCIE R/S. However, a CCIE is expected to know about FDDI and Token Ring, something I haven't worked with in a while. So when the expertise is needed, count me out in that department. Also, my area of emphasis requires me to know a lot of Nortel PBXs and to some degree, Nortel backbones and edge devices. Cisco doesn't teach you anything about that. Nortel is #1 in the PBX world so when you are ready to integrate VoIP, you must have some knowledge of Nortel. There is no doubt that you will show up on to customer sites who are interested on Voice Over services to save money, but are not ready to dump their multi-million dollar Nortel PBX in favor of a Cisco AVVID solution. In my opinion, the AVVID solution has a way to go before being mature. It doesn't even play music while the client is on hold...ugh! Anyway, when getting the CCIE, above all things, you will feel strong and proud. It is a great certifiecation and at least you know you accomplished something profound.I still want to do the CCIE Design, but it's out of beta and Cisco put it on hold for the moment. To make the most of your CCIE, try working for a company the utilizes technology heavily. Companies like Sprint, MCI, Qualcomm, Nokia, all need CCIEs. Companies like JC Penny, Sears, and Prudential are not technology-baed companies and although they have WANs, they don't care if you are a CCIE or not. Just keep the network up. Make sense? Regards, Mark - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2001 11:56 AM Subject: Re: CCIE salary > Mark, Pete: > > I need to say something here. I live about 3 miles from Cisco's Federal > Marketing offices, in Herndon, VA, and I know a couple of engineers. > > One of those employees teaches my router class on Satrudays, at a local > university, [I am an MCP, working on my CCNA, hope to test in June]. > This instructor said, that Cisco employees are usually too busy doing real > world research for customers, and the CCIE is not that important, but still > prestegous for them. What I am trying to say is Mark, as long as you are > working in your field and have X amount of knowledge and experience, a CCIE > won't matter too much, sounds like you are at the Top of the Network > Engineering Hierarchy anyway. > > Pete: > > What do you mean by the following: > > "CCIE is > really an enterprise discipline." > > Regards, > > Jess > _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>In my opinion, CCIE is a test of ability of learning and using knowledge, >not a test of knowledge itself. > >No matter a CCIE or not, you can be an expert in Wireless or Optical or >other arena, because you have been working on those stuff for a while and >you are following it. No body compares a ISP senior engineer who has no >certification to CCIE working in enterprise his/her whole life. But in my >mind as long as that guy is an CCIE, he should have no problem picking up >the job of the ISP senior engineer giving a short time. > >Jack Jack, True, I'm not a formal CCIE (and consciously do not intend to go through the lab because I don't want to conflict with Cisco NDAs), although I was CCSI-certified in the Old Days, when the testing (pre-1995) was comparable, IMHO, to the current CCIE program. I have a reasonably solid computer science background (again, was in the field prior to their being graduate degrees in it), and am currently working on a book on ISP engineering, having written seveal related books. These days, my work includes designing router products for ISP applications. I've written or contributed to several RFCs and Internet Drafts, including a current draft on single router BGP convergence time, the next draft of which (to be posted next week) will reflect the thinking of several vendors. I can only say that it took me several years to get to a point where I feel comfortable in large-scale ISP architecture and engineering, starting with a solid software and theoretical background. Things like abstract algebra (especially graph theory), principles of real-time operating systems, queueing theory, etc., are all directly relevant. Reading and understanding the Routing Policy Specification Language needs a good background in programming language and abstractions including object orientation. In short, don't plan on walking into a major ISP and assuming a CCIE is anything more than a very minimal indication that you might be able to learn. No one is going to put you into a senior engineering position unless you have lots of knowledge that is not covered by the CCIE program. By "engineering," I don't mean third-level support. I mean deciding peering policy, finding performance problems, designing and implementing QoS, working out the relationships among IGPs, BGP, and MPLS, and coming up with responses to hacking attacks (especially distributed). There is a reason that computer science programs have not been supplanted by the CCIE program. > > >""Mark Holloway"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message >006d01c09dc7$4e10caf0$111fea18@platypus">news:006d01c09dc7$4e10caf0$111fea18@platypus... >> At Sprint we have a few CCIEs.. But not as many as you think - and we are >> the #1 reseller of Cisco equipment in the U.S.. I have put my CCIE on hold >> for now, since I know what CCIEs in Las Vegas earn versus what I make now. >> The problem is that in the real world, people start to become specialists, >> and my job title has me working in the field of IP Telephony as well as >> 802.11b WLANs. So, getting my CCIE right now won't do much. I may go for >> the CCIE Design later this year. But I recently left my old employer as a >> "Network Engineer" (designing/merging/expanding our network and >> troublshoting problems) and recently started at Sprint Long Distance doing >> Pre-Sales Engineering in 5 different states. My product range is: Nortel >> PBXs, Nortel Routers/Switches (there are more our there than you think!), >> Cisco AVVID product line, and Aironet product line. I've had experience >> with VoATM and VoFR at my last job, setting up tie lines from PBX to PBX >> over the WAN. IP Phones are new to me, but I'll be traveling to Ontario, >> Canada, to play at Nortel, and flying to North Carolina to play in >Sprint's >> AVVID lab .. oh yea, I'm going to some Cisco IP Telephony/Call Center >> training too. :-) >> >> >> >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Peter Van Oene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2001 9:47 AM > > Subject: Re: CCIE salary >> >> >> > The CCIE program does little to develop the skill set of a pure IP >> engineer in a ISP environment. CCIE has little bearing in my opinion when >> candidate are interviewed for senior IP architectural positions. CCIE is >> really an enterprise discipline. >> > >> > Pete >> > >> > >> > *** REPLY SEPARATOR *** >> > >> > On 2/23/2001 at 9:20 AM Drew Simonis wrote: >> >
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Howard, >Things like abstract algebra (especially graph theory), principles of >real-time operating systems, queueing theory, etc., are all directly >relevant. Reading and understanding the Routing Policy Specification >Language needs a good background in programming language and >abstractions including object orientation. i was not a computer science major, but i do have a good practical handle on networking, protocols, and security and i have several networking certs. how can i develop my skills to reach the level in which i can tackle large scale architecture projects. -Original Message- From: Howard C. Berkowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 23, 2001 2:33 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CCIE salary >In my opinion, CCIE is a test of ability of learning and using knowledge, >not a test of knowledge itself. > >No matter a CCIE or not, you can be an expert in Wireless or Optical or >other arena, because you have been working on those stuff for a while and >you are following it. No body compares a ISP senior engineer who has no >certification to CCIE working in enterprise his/her whole life. But in my >mind as long as that guy is an CCIE, he should have no problem picking up >the job of the ISP senior engineer giving a short time. > >Jack Jack, True, I'm not a formal CCIE (and consciously do not intend to go through the lab because I don't want to conflict with Cisco NDAs), although I was CCSI-certified in the Old Days, when the testing (pre-1995) was comparable, IMHO, to the current CCIE program. I have a reasonably solid computer science background (again, was in the field prior to their being graduate degrees in it), and am currently working on a book on ISP engineering, having written seveal related books. These days, my work includes designing router products for ISP applications. I've written or contributed to several RFCs and Internet Drafts, including a current draft on single router BGP convergence time, the next draft of which (to be posted next week) will reflect the thinking of several vendors. I can only say that it took me several years to get to a point where I feel comfortable in large-scale ISP architecture and engineering, starting with a solid software and theoretical background. Things like abstract algebra (especially graph theory), principles of real-time operating systems, queueing theory, etc., are all directly relevant. Reading and understanding the Routing Policy Specification Language needs a good background in programming language and abstractions including object orientation. In short, don't plan on walking into a major ISP and assuming a CCIE is anything more than a very minimal indication that you might be able to learn. No one is going to put you into a senior engineering position unless you have lots of knowledge that is not covered by the CCIE program. By "engineering," I don't mean third-level support. I mean deciding peering policy, finding performance problems, designing and implementing QoS, working out the relationships among IGPs, BGP, and MPLS, and coming up with responses to hacking attacks (especially distributed). There is a reason that computer science programs have not been supplanted by the CCIE program. > > >""Mark Holloway"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message >006d01c09dc7$4e10caf0$111fea18@platypus">news:006d01c09dc7$4e10caf0$111fea18@platypus... >> At Sprint we have a few CCIEs.. But not as many as you think - and we are >> the #1 reseller of Cisco equipment in the U.S.. I have put my CCIE on hold >> for now, since I know what CCIEs in Las Vegas earn versus what I make now. >> The problem is that in the real world, people start to become specialists, >> and my job title has me working in the field of IP Telephony as well as >> 802.11b WLANs. So, getting my CCIE right now won't do much. I may go for >> the CCIE Design later this year. But I recently left my old employer as a >> "Network Engineer" (designing/merging/expanding our network and >> troublshoting problems) and recently started at Sprint Long Distance doing >> Pre-Sales Engineering in 5 different states. My product range is: Nortel >> PBXs, Nortel Routers/Switches (there are more our there than you think!), >> Cisco AVVID product line, and Aironet product line. I've had experience >> with VoATM and VoFR at my last job, setting up tie lines from PBX to PBX >> over the WAN. IP Phones are new to me, but I'll be traveling to Ontario, >> Canada, to play at Nortel, and flying to North Carolina to play in >Sprint's >> AVVID lab .. oh yea, I'm going to some Cisco IP Telephony/Call Center >> training too. :-) >
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>Howard, > >>Things like abstract algebra (especially graph theory), principles of >>real-time operating systems, queueing theory, etc., are all directly >>relevant. Reading and understanding the Routing Policy Specification >>Language needs a good background in programming language and >>abstractions including object orientation. > >i was not a computer science major, but i do have a good practical >handle on networking, protocols, and security and i have several >networking certs. how can i develop my skills to reach the level in >which i can tackle large scale architecture projects. When I started things, the academic programs weren't there. They are today, and graduate-level courses CAN be relevant -- they may not. I've written several books on design, and Wiley's Networking Council series primarily focuses on network architecture. Priscilla's book. Track the IETF and NANOG mailing lists. Participate in professional societies such as ACM and IEEE. It's worth looking occasionally at some of the technology-oriented business press (e.g., Business Week, Harvard Business Review, Business Communications Week). Subscribe to all the free trade magazines and newspapers available -- eventually you will find what is useful and what is not. Be sure you have strong spoken and written communications skills; you will have to interview people. Know what you don't know. Know that many technical disciplines, not just networking, require lots of theoretical background. By way of analogy, I have little problem dealing with my physicians, because I speak with them as a peer that understands the basic science underlying the discussion. > >-Original Message- >From: Howard C. Berkowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Friday, February 23, 2001 2:33 PM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: CCIE salary > > >>In my opinion, CCIE is a test of ability of learning and using knowledge, >>not a test of knowledge itself. >> >>No matter a CCIE or not, you can be an expert in Wireless or Optical or >>other arena, because you have been working on those stuff for a while and >>you are following it. No body compares a ISP senior engineer who has no >>certification to CCIE working in enterprise his/her whole life. But in my >>mind as long as that guy is an CCIE, he should have no problem picking up >>the job of the ISP senior engineer giving a short time. >> >>Jack > > >Jack, > >True, I'm not a formal CCIE (and consciously do not intend to go >through the lab because I don't want to conflict with Cisco NDAs), >although I was CCSI-certified in the Old Days, when the testing >(pre-1995) was comparable, IMHO, to the current CCIE program. I have >a reasonably solid computer science background (again, was in the >field prior to their being graduate degrees in it), and am currently >working on a book on ISP engineering, having written seveal related >books. These days, my work includes designing router products for >ISP applications. I've written or contributed to several RFCs and >Internet Drafts, including a current draft on single router BGP >convergence time, the next draft of which (to be posted next week) >will reflect the thinking of several vendors. > >I can only say that it took me several years to get to a point where >I feel comfortable in large-scale ISP architecture and engineering, >starting with a solid software and theoretical background. Things >like abstract algebra (especially graph theory), principles of >real-time operating systems, queueing theory, etc., are all directly >relevant. Reading and understanding the Routing Policy Specification >Language needs a good background in programming language and >abstractions including object orientation. > >In short, don't plan on walking into a major ISP and assuming a CCIE >is anything more than a very minimal indication that you might be >able to learn. No one is going to put you into a senior engineering >position unless you have lots of knowledge that is not covered by >the CCIE program. > >By "engineering," I don't mean third-level support. I mean deciding >peering policy, finding performance problems, designing and >implementing QoS, working out the relationships among IGPs, BGP, and >MPLS, and coming up with responses to hacking attacks (especially >distributed). > >There is a reason that computer science programs have not been >supplanted by the CCIE program. > >> >> >>""Mark Holloway"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message >>006d01c09dc7$4e10caf0$111fea18@platypus">news:006d01c09dc7$4e10caf0$111fea18@platypus... >>> At Sprint we have
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I agree with your sentiment but would extend it to say that anyone who has displayed an ability to adapt to highly specific technical implementations, in this case related to network design, should be able to adapt to the ISP environment. However, the key issue it has to do with the time involved in the ramp up. My point was that on its own, the CCIE certification doesn't automatically describe a short ramp up for all individuals. *** REPLY SEPARATOR *** On 2/23/2001 at 2:49 PM Jack Yu wrote: >In my opinion, CCIE is a test of ability of learning and using knowledge, >not a test of knowledge itself. > >No matter a CCIE or not, you can be an expert in Wireless or Optical or >other arena, because you have been working on those stuff for a while and >you are following it. No body compares a ISP senior engineer who has no >certification to CCIE working in enterprise his/her whole life. But in my >mind as long as that guy is an CCIE, he should have no problem picking up >the job of the ISP senior engineer giving a short time. > >Jack > > >""Mark Holloway"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message >006d01c09dc7$4e10caf0$111fea18@platypus">news:006d01c09dc7$4e10caf0$111fea18@platypus... >> At Sprint we have a few CCIEs.. But not as many as you think - and we are >> the #1 reseller of Cisco equipment in the U.S.. I have put my CCIE on hold >> for now, since I know what CCIEs in Las Vegas earn versus what I make now. >> The problem is that in the real world, people start to become specialists, >> and my job title has me working in the field of IP Telephony as well as >> 802.11b WLANs. So, getting my CCIE right now won't do much. I may go for >> the CCIE Design later this year. But I recently left my old employer as a >> "Network Engineer" (designing/merging/expanding our network and >> troublshoting problems) and recently started at Sprint Long Distance doing >> Pre-Sales Engineering in 5 different states. My product range is: Nortel >> PBXs, Nortel Routers/Switches (there are more our there than you think!), >> Cisco AVVID product line, and Aironet product line. I've had experience >> with VoATM and VoFR at my last job, setting up tie lines from PBX to PBX >> over the WAN. IP Phones are new to me, but I'll be traveling to Ontario, >> Canada, to play at Nortel, and flying to North Carolina to play in >Sprint's >> AVVID lab .. oh yea, I'm going to some Cisco IP Telephony/Call Center >> training too. :-) >> >> >> >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Peter Van Oene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2001 9:47 AM >> Subject: Re: CCIE salary >> >> >> > The CCIE program does little to develop the skill set of a pure IP >> engineer in a ISP environment. CCIE has little bearing in my opinion when >> candidate are interviewed for senior IP architectural positions. CCIE is >> really an enterprise discipline. >> > >> > Pete >> > >> > >> > *** REPLY SEPARATOR *** >> > >> > On 2/23/2001 at 9:20 AM Drew Simonis wrote: >> > >> > >Brian wrote: >> > >> >> > >> This really isn't true. Lets look at some basic facts: >> > >> >> > >> There are only ~6000 or so CCIE's in the world, possibly as many as >30% >> > >> are employed by cisco. >> > >> >> > >> There are over 6000 ISP's in the US alone. >> > >> >> > >> There are over 7000 AS's in the world. >> > >> >> > >> My point is, that if most of your CCIE's work for cisco and big big >> > >> companies, then their are a ton of networks, complex networks, that >> don't >> > >> even have CCIE's at the healm. Even a large company like UUnet may >> only >> > >> have a handfull of CCIE's. >> > >> >> > > >> > > >> > >Also take into account the large number of CCIE's who make their >> > >wages at training companies, and who aren't in the field. I know >> > >that when I was with IBM Global Network Services, we had just 2 >> > >that I knew of... >> > > >> > >_ >> > >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: >> http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html >> > >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > >> > >> > >> > _ >> > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: >> http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html >> > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> _ >> FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html >> Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > > >_ >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Enterprise refers to the customer base that the products/services are marketed to. Enterprise is generally broken into segments by size, and refers to the networks operated by the companies that utilize them themselves for the purpose of facilitating business processes. There's probably a better way to describe it, but I hope that gets the point across :) Pete *** REPLY SEPARATOR *** On 2/23/2001 at 2:56 PM [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Mark, Pete: > >I need to say something here. I live about 3 miles from Cisco's Federal >Marketing offices, in Herndon, VA, and I know a couple of engineers. > >One of those employees teaches my router class on Satrudays, at a local >university, [I am an MCP, working on my CCNA, hope to test in June]. >This instructor said, that Cisco employees are usually too busy doing real >world research for customers, and the CCIE is not that important, but still >prestegous for them. What I am trying to say is Mark, as long as you are >working in your field and have X amount of knowledge and experience, a CCIE >won't matter too much, sounds like you are at the Top of the Network >Engineering Hierarchy anyway. > >Pete: > >What do you mean by the following: > >"CCIE is >really an enterprise discipline." > >Regards, > >Jess _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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With that said, I will certainly follow all your suggestions to become better informed. I should let you know that although I am currently a member of IEEE and have several subcriptions, I do not posses tha hands on experience with all the technologies. I have a very good understanding of the theory and practice required to implement certain soluions. Right now, with the direction the Internet is headed, I am interested in gaining a practical roadmap for developing business solutions that require knowledge of distributed computing methods. With that said, what is the best roadmap to find out how some of the popular customer oriented solutions were developed? One solutions in particular is the Napster application. Do you have a roadmap and a source of information for developing that skillset? Additionally, what are some of the other mailing list you guys are a part of? Thanks! -Original Message- From: Howard C. Berkowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 23, 2001 3:46 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: CCIE salary >Howard, > >>Things like abstract algebra (especially graph theory), principles of >>real-time operating systems, queueing theory, etc., are all directly >>relevant. Reading and understanding the Routing Policy Specification >>Language needs a good background in programming language and >>abstractions including object orientation. > >i was not a computer science major, but i do have a good practical >handle on networking, protocols, and security and i have several >networking certs. how can i develop my skills to reach the level in >which i can tackle large scale architecture projects. When I started things, the academic programs weren't there. They are today, and graduate-level courses CAN be relevant -- they may not. I've written several books on design, and Wiley's Networking Council series primarily focuses on network architecture. Priscilla's book. Track the IETF and NANOG mailing lists. Participate in professional societies such as ACM and IEEE. It's worth looking occasionally at some of the technology-oriented business press (e.g., Business Week, Harvard Business Review, Business Communications Week). Subscribe to all the free trade magazines and newspapers available -- eventually you will find what is useful and what is not. Be sure you have strong spoken and written communications skills; you will have to interview people. Know what you don't know. Know that many technical disciplines, not just networking, require lots of theoretical background. By way of analogy, I have little problem dealing with my physicians, because I speak with them as a peer that understands the basic science underlying the discussion. > >-Original Message- >From: Howard C. Berkowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Friday, February 23, 2001 2:33 PM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: CCIE salary > > >>In my opinion, CCIE is a test of ability of learning and using knowledge, >>not a test of knowledge itself. >> >>No matter a CCIE or not, you can be an expert in Wireless or Optical or >>other arena, because you have been working on those stuff for a while and >>you are following it. No body compares a ISP senior engineer who has no >>certification to CCIE working in enterprise his/her whole life. But in my >>mind as long as that guy is an CCIE, he should have no problem picking up >>the job of the ISP senior engineer giving a short time. >> >>Jack > > >Jack, > >True, I'm not a formal CCIE (and consciously do not intend to go >through the lab because I don't want to conflict with Cisco NDAs), >although I was CCSI-certified in the Old Days, when the testing >(pre-1995) was comparable, IMHO, to the current CCIE program. I have >a reasonably solid computer science background (again, was in the >field prior to their being graduate degrees in it), and am currently >working on a book on ISP engineering, having written seveal related >books. These days, my work includes designing router products for >ISP applications. I've written or contributed to several RFCs and >Internet Drafts, including a current draft on single router BGP >convergence time, the next draft of which (to be posted next week) >will reflect the thinking of several vendors. > >I can only say that it took me several years to get to a point where >I feel comfortable in large-scale ISP architecture and engineering, >starting with a solid software and theoretical background. Things >like abstract algebra (especially graph theory), principles of >real-time operating systems, queueing theory, etc., are all directly >relevant. Reading and understanding the Routing Policy Specification >Language needs a good backgro
Re: CCIE salary
Ive got to say that 65k for a CCNP in the DC market, as originally quoted, seems low to me. I'm one and I make significantly more. One way to bear out my position is to go to dice.com and search for CCNP and DC or CCNP and VA. You will see that in DC the average rate is closer to 80kwith experience up to 100k. Now, a CCIE canwith some experience start at 90k and pretty rapidly bounce around til they hit 130k in a short period of time...1-2yrs? "Ray Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Not necessarily, don't you think these salaries depend on the market you are > in? For example New York, California, Texas, maybe Atlanta etc. I happen > to know that a CCNP can make a lot more money that $65K ...heck I know of > CCNA's that are making more that $65K both in New York and Atlanta. > > > >From: "Mask Of Zorro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: "Mask Of Zorro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: Re: CCIE salary > >Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 09:38:49 -0500 > > > >The thing is, nothing other than the CCIE cert matters... > > > >CCNA = difficult to find a job > >CCNP = around $65k annually > >SUN certs = around $65k annually > >MCSE = around $55k annually > >CNE5 = around $45k annually > >Notes certs = around $60k annually > > > >Here's the catch: CCNP, plus SUN cert, plus MCSE, plus CNE5 = around $65k > >annually. > > > >CCIE = around $125 annually > > > >The difference is that CCIE's will get higher end, network architect type > >positions, while all the other certs will get you Systems Administrator > >jobs > >that might also have responsibility for a router or switch or two... > > > >Outside the System Admin circle, there simply isn't the demand for these > >lower end certs. If you want to design and build large, complex enterprise > >networks, you wimply won't get that job until you are a CCIE. If you want > >to > >administer those networks and the systems that reside on them, then these > >lower certs are your ticket to an interview... > > > >This is the DC, Baltimore, Northern Virginia market mindset, but I expect > >that things are similar elsewhere. > > > >Z > > > > > > >From: "Gayathri" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Reply-To: "Gayathri" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >Subject: Re: CCIE salary > > >Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 14:35:26 +0800 > > > > > >How much can a CCNP with SUN certification expect with 6 yrs experience > >in > > >varying fields ? > > > > > > > > >"Mask Of Zorro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > > > > > > The DC market rate for CCIE's is around $125. This varies with how > >long > > >you > > > > have been a CCIE and what else you know... > > > > > > > > Z > > > > > > > > >From: Stephane Wantou Siantou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > >Reply-To: Stephane Wantou Siantou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > >Subject: CCIE salary > > > > >Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 00:40:02 -0500 (EST) > > > > > > > > > > Hi everybody, > > > > > > > > > > Does anybody know approximately what the average CCIE makes in the > > > > >DC area? > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_ > > > > >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > > > > >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > > > > >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > _ > > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > _ > > > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > > >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > > > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > >_ > > >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > > >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > > >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >_ > >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > >_ > >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > _ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE Salary article
Quoted from article: "For example, Cisco frowns on competing solutions providers raiding each other in search of CCIEs. Should one company lure another's CCIE, Cisco will not recognize that engineer's certification for a year, meaning the company that scored the new employee cannot count on him or her in its effort to climb the Cisco Partner Certification Program." I have never heard of this. How does Cisco determine if they've left or were lured away? That's dumb. Michael --- Daniel Cotts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://www.zdnet.com/sp/stories/issue/0,4537,2664303,00.html > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE Salary article
Yonker Bonk, Cisco knows that they have left because the reseller notifies Cisco as to the amount of Cisco Certified individuals they have on staff, because the reseller discount from Ciscois determined by the number of Cisco Certified SEs. So when a CCIE leaves Company A for Company B, Company B submits to Cisco that they have another CCIE ... this is how Cisco knows. The same goes for Compaq ASEs. Hope this explains it to you. "Yonkerbonk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Quoted from article: "For example, Cisco frowns on > competing solutions providers raiding each other in > search of CCIEs. Should one company lure another's > CCIE, Cisco will not recognize that engineer's > certification for a year, meaning the company that > scored the new employee cannot count on him or her in > its effort to climb the Cisco Partner Certification > Program." > > I have never heard of this. How does Cisco determine > if they've left or were lured away? > That's dumb. > > Michael > > --- Daniel Cotts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > http://www.zdnet.com/sp/stories/issue/0,4537,2664303,00.html > > > > _ > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. > http://shopping.yahoo.com/ > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE Salary article
It's easy to figure out that someone has left the company, but how do they determine the reason someone left? If I got my CCIE and after 6 months I decide my company is not making use of me, and then I go to another Cisco partner... that does not mean the new company lured me away. I left for my own reasons. Should my new company be penalized? --- Austin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yonker Bonk, > > Cisco knows that they have left because the reseller > notifies Cisco as to > the amount of Cisco Certified individuals they have > on staff, because the > reseller discount from Ciscois determined by the > number of Cisco Certified > SEs. > So when a CCIE leaves Company A for Company B, > Company B submits to Cisco > that they have another CCIE ... this is how Cisco > knows. The same goes for > Compaq ASEs. > > Hope this explains it to you. > "Yonkerbonk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > Quoted from article: "For example, Cisco frowns on > > competing solutions providers raiding each other > in > > search of CCIEs. Should one company lure another's > > CCIE, Cisco will not recognize that engineer's > > certification for a year, meaning the company that > > scored the new employee cannot count on him or her > in > > its effort to climb the Cisco Partner > Certification > > Program." > > > > I have never heard of this. How does Cisco > determine > > if they've left or were lured away? > > That's dumb. > > > > Michael > > > > --- Daniel Cotts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > http://www.zdnet.com/sp/stories/issue/0,4537,2664303,00.html > > > > > > _ > > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > > > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations > to > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > __ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of > Products. > > http://shopping.yahoo.com/ > > > > _ > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE Salary v2 [7:15032]
Let me clarify... I do not wish to unsubscribe, although there are times... it's just that this is the second or third email I recieved from this individual over the past several weeks. Maybe it's a hotmail bug???!!! >From: "Bob Dixon" >To: "vr4drvr ." >Subject: Re: CCIE Salary v2 >Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 12:13:33 -0400 > >To unsubscribe from the CCIELAB list, send a message to >[EMAIL PROTECTED] with the body containing: >unsubscribe ccielab > > >- Original Message - >From: vr4drvr . >To: >Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 10:41 AM >Subject: Re: CCIE Salary v2 > > > > Firstly, you completely missed the point of my email. You probably >didn't > > even read it, or comprehend it for that matter. > > > > Secondly, why do I continue to get this garbage in my email? > > > > Adrian Smith > > Network Engineer > > > > > > >From: "Roberto Iannuzzi" > > >Reply-To: "Roberto Iannuzzi" > > >To: "vr4drvr ." , > > >Subject: Re: CCIE Salary v2 > > >Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 18:25:39 -0400 > > > > > >CCIE's are among those most talented computer people in the world. > > >That's > > >why they are CCIE's. You can say whatever you want but the fact is >CCIE's > > >leave most people scratching their heads when it comes to technical > > >prowess. > > >Companies drool at the thought of having a CCIE for whatever reason and > > >Wannabee CCIE's belittle the credibility of a CCIE because they could >NEVER > > >be one. > > > > > > > > > > > >- Original Message - > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "vr4drvr ." > > >To: > > >Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 10:47 AM > > >Subject: Re: CCIE Salary v2 > > > > > > > > > > I don't think everyone on this list quite understands what the CCIE > > > > represents to the "corporation". I will admit that it is a great >way > > >for > > > > technical people to increase their skill sets in order to help them >in > > >their > > > > profession. But the main reason companies were offering so much for > > >them > > > > was not necessarily due to the technical prowess that is "supposed" >to > > >come > > > > with a CCIE. You see, having a number of CCIE's on staff means the > > >company > > > > can get deals with Cisco. It is a business reason more than a >personnel > > > > reason, as is ALWAYS the case with businesses. It is all about the > > >bottom > > > > line! If IT is slowing then so is the need for the deals (CCIE's), >but > > >not > > > > for skilled individuals. I know of CCIE's that just couldn't >survive >in > > >the > > > > real IT world, but not all. I am not detracting from the CCIE, I >just > > >want > > > > to clarify. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Roger McNeace" > > > > >Reply-To: "Roger McNeace" > > > > >To: > > > > >Subject: CCIE Salary > > > > >Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 21:48:43 -0400 > > > > > > > > > >I apologize if this distracts form the true purpose of this forum, >but > > >I > > > > >believe this is an important issue. I work for a large Telecom >company > > >that > > > > >is laying off a lot of engineers, so I have been forced to look at >the > > >job > > > > >market for opportunities. I have seen many job postings that say >"CCIE > > > > >required" with a salary range of $70-$90k. I am doing better than >that > > > > >without a CCIE. My questions is this a market phenomenon or have >the > > > > >recruiters in lost their mind? I hope this is not a trend that >CCIE >is > > > > >losing its value in the market place. I am not pursuing CCIE >status > > >soley > > > > >for the money, but sure as hell dont want to go backwards. > > > > >**Please read:http://www.groupstudy.com/list/posting.html > > > > _ > > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > >http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > **Please read:http://www.groupstudy.com/list/posting.html > > >**Please read:http://www.groupstudy.com/list/posting.html > > _ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at >http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > **Please read:http://www.groupstudy.com/list/posting.html _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=15032&t=15032 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Way OT: RE: CCIE Salary [7:42111]
The new direction of this thread may bring new significance to "have a cow, man." >Hey, we pay about the same price for milk in the Raleigh area. Housing is >much cheaper, though. :-) > >- Original Message - >From: "Manny Gonzalez" >To: "Brian Dennis" >Cc: "'Ccielab (E-mail)'" >Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 10:20 PM >Subject: Re: Way OT: RE: CCIE Salary > > >> Sorry Brian, we New Yorkers got you beat... A studio in a decent part of >> Manhattan either sells for $1,000,000 or rents for at least $2500/month. >> That is the lower end of the spectrum. Around the Battery Park City area >> (one block from the former World Trade Center site) there are [bargains] >> now they say for $3500 a month :-) >> >> In the outskirts, a DECENT house (not a real big or super nice one) can >> easily go for $400,000 and 90% of the time there is a fight and ends up >> going for a lot more. >> >> The 1, 2, 3, 4 million dollar homes are actually more abundant in the >> real estate listings than lesser priced homes. >> >> However, my usual gauge for cost of living ANYWHERE is the price of a >> standard gallon of milk. In my neighborhood, it is $3.25 a gallon... >> ___ >> Manny Gonzalez . CCIE# 9013 >> CORE Resources ... NY Presbyterian Hospital >> >> >> Brian Dennis wrote: >> > >> > Here in the San Jose area you can forget about living on $65k a year. >> > There are mobile homes that cost over $200k out here. >> > >> > Brian Dennis, CCIE #2210 (R&S/ISP Dial) >> > >> > -Original Message- >> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of >> > Scott Morris >> > Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 1:35 PM >> > To: 'Matheus, Joshua'; 'Dennis'; 'Ccielab (E-mail)' >> > Subject: RE: Way OT: RE: CCIE Salary >> > >> > Isn't $65k poverty level in New York? >> > >> > -Original Message- >> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of >> > Matheus, Joshua >> > Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 3:50 PM >> > To: 'Dennis'; Ccielab (E-mail) >> > Subject: RE: Way OT: RE: CCIE Salary >> > >> > In New York the range can go from 65K to 250K. This is for a technical >> > person not a "manager type". Right now I would say that 4 numbers >> > without a >> > good Science/Engineering Bachelors and 4 - 7 years of prestigious >> > enterprise >> > experience will lead to the 0$ figure very quickly. It makes you ponder >> > the >> > old days (2 years ago) when you were worth your weight in platinum! >> > >> > -Original Message- >> > From: Dennis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >> > Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 11:01 AM >> > To: Ccielab (E-mail) >> > Subject: Way OT: RE: CCIE Salary >> > >> > Well, I can tell you the lowest... it's what I've been making in the >> > last >> > two months... $0 >> > >> > -Original Message- >> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of >> > Diehm, Brian >> > Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 10:27 AM >> > To: Ccielab (E-mail) >> > Subject: OT: CCIE Salary >> > >> > Was looking at the topic of "what did your employer pay" and it got me >> > to >> > wondering. What is the Lowest and Highest salary you have ever known a >> > CCIE >> > to make? >> > >> > Brian D >> > _ >> >> >> -- >> _ >> Commercial lab list: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/commercial.html >> Please discuss commercial lab solutions on this list. >_ >Commercial lab list: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/commercial.html >Please discuss commercial lab solutions on this list. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42111&t=42111 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Way OT: RE: CCIE Salary [7:42111]
A friend of mine bought a 2-bedroom apartment in New York, cost him $500,000. And he has to share bathroom with his neighbor. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Howard C. Berkowitz Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 8:02 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Way OT: RE: CCIE Salary [7:42111] The new direction of this thread may bring new significance to "have a cow, man." >Hey, we pay about the same price for milk in the Raleigh area. Housing is >much cheaper, though. :-) > >- Original Message - >From: "Manny Gonzalez" >To: "Brian Dennis" >Cc: "'Ccielab (E-mail)'" >Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 10:20 PM >Subject: Re: Way OT: RE: CCIE Salary > > >> Sorry Brian, we New Yorkers got you beat... A studio in a decent part of >> Manhattan either sells for $1,000,000 or rents for at least $2500/month. >> That is the lower end of the spectrum. Around the Battery Park City area >> (one block from the former World Trade Center site) there are [bargains] >> now they say for $3500 a month :-) >> >> In the outskirts, a DECENT house (not a real big or super nice one) can >> easily go for $400,000 and 90% of the time there is a fight and ends up >> going for a lot more. >> >> The 1, 2, 3, 4 million dollar homes are actually more abundant in the >> real estate listings than lesser priced homes. >> >> However, my usual gauge for cost of living ANYWHERE is the price of a >> standard gallon of milk. In my neighborhood, it is $3.25 a gallon... >> ___ >> Manny Gonzalez . CCIE# 9013 >> CORE Resources ... NY Presbyterian Hospital >> >> >> Brian Dennis wrote: >> > >> > Here in the San Jose area you can forget about living on $65k a year. >> > There are mobile homes that cost over $200k out here. >> > >> > Brian Dennis, CCIE #2210 (R&S/ISP Dial) >> > >> > -Original Message- >> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of >> > Scott Morris >> > Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 1:35 PM >> > To: 'Matheus, Joshua'; 'Dennis'; 'Ccielab (E-mail)' >> > Subject: RE: Way OT: RE: CCIE Salary >> > >> > Isn't $65k poverty level in New York? >> > >> > -Original Message- >> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of >> > Matheus, Joshua >> > Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 3:50 PM >> > To: 'Dennis'; Ccielab (E-mail) >> > Subject: RE: Way OT: RE: CCIE Salary >> > >> > In New York the range can go from 65K to 250K. This is for a technical >> > person not a "manager type". Right now I would say that 4 numbers >> > without a >> > good Science/Engineering Bachelors and 4 - 7 years of prestigious >> > enterprise >> > experience will lead to the 0$ figure very quickly. It makes you ponder >> > the >> > old days (2 years ago) when you were worth your weight in platinum! >> > >> > -Original Message- >> > From: Dennis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >> > Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 11:01 AM >> > To: Ccielab (E-mail) >> > Subject: Way OT: RE: CCIE Salary >> > >> > Well, I can tell you the lowest... it's what I've been making in the >> > last >> > two months... $0 >> > >> > -Original Message- >> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of >> > Diehm, Brian >> > Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 10:27 AM >> > To: Ccielab (E-mail) >> > Subject: OT: CCIE Salary >> > >> > Was looking at the topic of "what did your employer pay" and it got me >> > to >> > wondering. What is the Lowest and Highest salary you have ever known a >> > CCIE >> > to make? >> > >> > Brian D >> > _ >> >> >> -- >> _ >> Commercial lab list: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/commercial.html >> Please discuss commercial lab solutions on this list. >_ >Commercial lab list: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/commercial.html >Please discuss commercial lab solutions on this list. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42115&t=42111 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Way OT: RE: CCIE Salary [7:42111]
That's nothing! I bought a 4 bedroom detached house in Shropshire UK, and I have to share it with a woman, two children and two cats! I can't believe we can get something cheaper than the US. 8 pints over here is #1.80. Is your gallon the same size as ours? Please keep it quiet - I can see a new Milk tax being introduced at the next budget. Gaz ""supernet"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > A friend of mine bought a 2-bedroom apartment in New York, cost him > $500,000. And he has to share bathroom with his neighbor. > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of > Howard C. Berkowitz > Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 8:02 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Way OT: RE: CCIE Salary [7:42111] > > The new direction of this thread may bring new significance to "have > a cow, man." > > > >Hey, we pay about the same price for milk in the Raleigh area. Housing > is > >much cheaper, though. :-) > > > >- Original Message - > >From: "Manny Gonzalez" > >To: "Brian Dennis" > >Cc: "'Ccielab (E-mail)'" > >Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 10:20 PM > >Subject: Re: Way OT: RE: CCIE Salary > > > > > >> Sorry Brian, we New Yorkers got you beat... A studio in a decent > part of > >> Manhattan either sells for $1,000,000 or rents for at least > $2500/month. > >> That is the lower end of the spectrum. Around the Battery Park City > area > >> (one block from the former World Trade Center site) there are > [bargains] > >> now they say for $3500 a month :-) > >> > >> In the outskirts, a DECENT house (not a real big or super nice one) > can > >> easily go for $400,000 and 90% of the time there is a fight and ends > up > >> going for a lot more. > >> > >> The 1, 2, 3, 4 million dollar homes are actually more abundant in > the > >> real estate listings than lesser priced homes. > >> > >> However, my usual gauge for cost of living ANYWHERE is the price of > a > >> standard gallon of milk. In my neighborhood, it is $3.25 a gallon... > >> ___ > >> Manny Gonzalez . CCIE# 9013 > >> CORE Resources ... NY Presbyterian Hospital > >> > >> > >> Brian Dennis wrote: > >> > > >> > Here in the San Jose area you can forget about living on $65k a > year. > >> > There are mobile homes that cost over $200k out here. > >> > > >> > Brian Dennis, CCIE #2210 (R&S/ISP Dial) > >> > > >> > -Original Message- > >> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On > Behalf Of > >> > Scott Morris > >> > Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 1:35 PM > >> > To: 'Matheus, Joshua'; 'Dennis'; 'Ccielab (E-mail)' > >> > Subject: RE: Way OT: RE: CCIE Salary > >> > > >> > Isn't $65k poverty level in New York? > >> > > >> > -Original Message- > >> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On > Behalf Of > >> > Matheus, Joshua > >> > Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 3:50 PM > >> > To: 'Dennis'; Ccielab (E-mail) > >> > Subject: RE: Way OT: RE: CCIE Salary > >> > > >> > In New York the range can go from 65K to 250K. This is for a > technical > >> > person not a "manager type". Right now I would say that 4 numbers > >> > without a > >> > good Science/Engineering Bachelors and 4 - 7 years of prestigious > >> > enterprise > >> > experience will lead to the 0$ figure very quickly. It makes you > ponder > >> > the > >> > old days (2 years ago) when you were worth your weight in > platinum! > >> > > >> > -Original Message- > >> > From: Dennis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > >> > Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 11:01 AM > >> > To: Ccielab (E-mail) > >> > Subject: Way OT: RE: CCIE Salary > >> > > >> > Well, I can tell you the lowest... it's what I've been making in > the > >> > last > >> > two months... $0 > >> > > >> > -Original Message- > >> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On > Behalf Of > >>
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Which part of the world? ""datek44 lee"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Hi All: > > Just wondering... > What's the average salary for CCIE in this market ? > > > thank you very much... > > I am finishing my CCNP, and very interest in CCIE cert. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42167&t=42166 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Way OT: RE: CCIE Salary [7:42111]
Housing is cheaper, so are the salaries... Larry Letterman Cisco Systems [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Howard C. Berkowitz" To: Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 8:01 PM Subject: Re: Way OT: RE: CCIE Salary [7:42111] > The new direction of this thread may bring new significance to "have > a cow, man." > > > >Hey, we pay about the same price for milk in the Raleigh area. Housing is > >much cheaper, though. :-) > > > >- Original Message - > >From: "Manny Gonzalez" > >To: "Brian Dennis" > >Cc: "'Ccielab (E-mail)'" > >Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 10:20 PM > >Subject: Re: Way OT: RE: CCIE Salary > > > > > >> Sorry Brian, we New Yorkers got you beat... A studio in a decent part of > >> Manhattan either sells for $1,000,000 or rents for at least $2500/month. > >> That is the lower end of the spectrum. Around the Battery Park City area > >> (one block from the former World Trade Center site) there are [bargains] > >> now they say for $3500 a month :-) > >> > >> In the outskirts, a DECENT house (not a real big or super nice one) can > >> easily go for $400,000 and 90% of the time there is a fight and ends up > >> going for a lot more. > >> > >> The 1, 2, 3, 4 million dollar homes are actually more abundant in the > >> real estate listings than lesser priced homes. > >> > >> However, my usual gauge for cost of living ANYWHERE is the price of a > >> standard gallon of milk. In my neighborhood, it is $3.25 a gallon... > >> ___ > >> Manny Gonzalez . CCIE# 9013 > >> CORE Resources ... NY Presbyterian Hospital > >> > >> > >> Brian Dennis wrote: > >> > > >> > Here in the San Jose area you can forget about living on $65k a year. > >> > There are mobile homes that cost over $200k out here. > >> > > >> > Brian Dennis, CCIE #2210 (R&S/ISP Dial) > >> > > >> > -Original Message- > >> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of > >> > Scott Morris > >> > Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 1:35 PM > >> > To: 'Matheus, Joshua'; 'Dennis'; 'Ccielab (E-mail)' > >> > Subject: RE: Way OT: RE: CCIE Salary > >> > > >> > Isn't $65k poverty level in New York? > >> > > >> > -Original Message- > >> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > >> > Matheus, Joshua > >> > Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 3:50 PM > >> > To: 'Dennis'; Ccielab (E-mail) > >> > Subject: RE: Way OT: RE: CCIE Salary > >> > > >> > In New York the range can go from 65K to 250K. This is for a technical > >> > person not a "manager type". Right now I would say that 4 numbers > >> > without a > >> > good Science/Engineering Bachelors and 4 - 7 years of prestigious > >> > enterprise > >> > experience will lead to the 0$ figure very quickly. It makes you ponder > >> > the > >> > old days (2 years ago) when you were worth your weight in platinum! > >> > > >> > -Original Message- > >> > From: Dennis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > >> > Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 11:01 AM > >> > To: Ccielab (E-mail) > >> > Subject: Way OT: RE: CCIE Salary > >> > > >> > Well, I can tell you the lowest... it's what I've been making in the > >> > last > >> > two months... $0 > >> > > >> > -Original Message- > >> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > >> > Diehm, Brian > >> > Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 10:27 AM > >> > To: Ccielab (E-mail) > >> > Subject: OT: CCIE Salary > >> > > >> > Was looking at the topic of "what did your employer pay" and it got me > >> > to > >> > wondering. What is the Lowest and Highest salary you have ever known a > >> > CCIE > >> > to make? > >> > > >> > Brian D > >> > _ > >> > >> > >> -- > >> _ > >> Commercial lab list: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/commercial.html > >> Please discuss commercial lab solutions on this list. > >_ > >Commercial lab list: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/commercial.html > >Please discuss commercial lab solutions on this list. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42185&t=42111 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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It's all relative. Some folks here have been cashing out and moving to Sac cause it's cheaper. Can't say that I blame them. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Larry Letterman Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 5:42 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Way OT: RE: CCIE Salary [7:42111] Housing is cheaper, so are the salaries... Larry Letterman Cisco Systems [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Howard C. Berkowitz" To: Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 8:01 PM Subject: Re: Way OT: RE: CCIE Salary [7:42111] > The new direction of this thread may bring new significance to "have > a cow, man." > > > >Hey, we pay about the same price for milk in the Raleigh area. Housing is > >much cheaper, though. :-) > > > >- Original Message - > >From: "Manny Gonzalez" > >To: "Brian Dennis" > >Cc: "'Ccielab (E-mail)'" > >Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 10:20 PM > >Subject: Re: Way OT: RE: CCIE Salary > > > > > >> Sorry Brian, we New Yorkers got you beat... A studio in a decent part of > >> Manhattan either sells for $1,000,000 or rents for at least $2500/month. > >> That is the lower end of the spectrum. Around the Battery Park City area > >> (one block from the former World Trade Center site) there are [bargains] > >> now they say for $3500 a month :-) > >> > >> In the outskirts, a DECENT house (not a real big or super nice one) can > >> easily go for $400,000 and 90% of the time there is a fight and ends up > >> going for a lot more. > >> > >> The 1, 2, 3, 4 million dollar homes are actually more abundant in the > >> real estate listings than lesser priced homes. > >> > >> However, my usual gauge for cost of living ANYWHERE is the price of a > >> standard gallon of milk. In my neighborhood, it is $3.25 a gallon... > >> ___ > >> Manny Gonzalez . CCIE# 9013 > >> CORE Resources ... NY Presbyterian Hospital > >> > >> > >> Brian Dennis wrote: > >> > > >> > Here in the San Jose area you can forget about living on $65k a year. > >> > There are mobile homes that cost over $200k out here. > >> > > >> > Brian Dennis, CCIE #2210 (R&S/ISP Dial) > >> > > >> > -Original Message- > >> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of > >> > Scott Morris > >> > Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 1:35 PM > >> > To: 'Matheus, Joshua'; 'Dennis'; 'Ccielab (E-mail)' > >> > Subject: RE: Way OT: RE: CCIE Salary > >> > > >> > Isn't $65k poverty level in New York? > >> > > >> > -Original Message- > >> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > >> > Matheus, Joshua > >> > Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 3:50 PM > >> > To: 'Dennis'; Ccielab (E-mail) > >> > Subject: RE: Way OT: RE: CCIE Salary > >> > > >> > In New York the range can go from 65K to 250K. This is for a technical > >> > person not a "manager type". Right now I would say that 4 numbers > >> > without a > >> > good Science/Engineering Bachelors and 4 - 7 years of prestigious > >> > enterprise > >> > experience will lead to the 0$ figure very quickly. It makes you ponder > >> > the > >> > old days (2 years ago) when you were worth your weight in platinum! > >> > > >> > -Original Message- > >> > From: Dennis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > >> > Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 11:01 AM > >> > To: Ccielab (E-mail) > >> > Subject: Way OT: RE: CCIE Salary > >> > > >> > Well, I can tell you the lowest... it's what I've been making in the > >> > last > >> > two months... $0 > >> > > >> > -Original Message- > >> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > >> > Diehm, Brian > >> > Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 10:27 AM > >> > To: Ccielab (E-mail) > >> > Subject: OT: CCIE Salary > >> > > >> > Was looking at the topic of "what did your employer pay" and it got me > >> > to > >> > wondering. What is the Lowest and Highest salary you have ever known a > >> > CCIE > >> > to make? > >> > > >> > Brian D > >> > _ > >> > >> > >> -- > >> _ > >> Commercial lab list: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/commercial.html > >> Please discuss commercial lab solutions on this list. > >_ > >Commercial lab list: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/commercial.html > >Please discuss commercial lab solutions on this list. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42200&t=42111 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I've heard so many stories about that. I wondering where that leaves the rest of us? -Original Message- From: Larry Letterman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 10:17 PM To: adam lee; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Way OT: RE: CCIE Salary [7:42111] I agree...if one has a good deal of home equity here in the SV, you could pay cash for a house elsewhere and work cheaper and not have to worry about it... Larry Letterman Cisco Systems [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "adam lee" To: Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 9:30 PM Subject: RE: Way OT: RE: CCIE Salary [7:42111] > It's all relative. Some folks here have been cashing out and moving to Sac > cause it's cheaper. Can't say that I blame them. > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > Larry Letterman > Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 5:42 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Way OT: RE: CCIE Salary [7:42111] > > > Housing is cheaper, so are the salaries... > > Larry Letterman > Cisco Systems > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - Original Message - > From: "Howard C. Berkowitz" > To: > Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 8:01 PM > Subject: Re: Way OT: RE: CCIE Salary [7:42111] > > > > The new direction of this thread may bring new significance to "have > > a cow, man." > > > > > > >Hey, we pay about the same price for milk in the Raleigh area. Housing > is > > >much cheaper, though. :-) > > > > > >----- Original Message - > > >From: "Manny Gonzalez" > > >To: "Brian Dennis" > > >Cc: "'Ccielab (E-mail)'" > > >Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 10:20 PM > > >Subject: Re: Way OT: RE: CCIE Salary > > > > > > > > >> Sorry Brian, we New Yorkers got you beat... A studio in a decent part > of > > >> Manhattan either sells for $1,000,000 or rents for at least > $2500/month. > > >> That is the lower end of the spectrum. Around the Battery Park City > area > > >> (one block from the former World Trade Center site) there are > [bargains] > > >> now they say for $3500 a month :-) > > >> > > >> In the outskirts, a DECENT house (not a real big or super nice one) > can > > >> easily go for $400,000 and 90% of the time there is a fight and ends > up > > >> going for a lot more. > > >> > > >> The 1, 2, 3, 4 million dollar homes are actually more abundant in the > > >> real estate listings than lesser priced homes. > > >> > > >> However, my usual gauge for cost of living ANYWHERE is the price of a > > >> standard gallon of milk. In my neighborhood, it is $3.25 a gallon... > > >> ___ > > >> Manny Gonzalez . CCIE# 9013 > > >> CORE Resources ... NY Presbyterian Hospital > > >> > > >> > > >> Brian Dennis wrote: > > >> > > > >> > Here in the San Jose area you can forget about living on $65k a > year. > > >> > There are mobile homes that cost over $200k out here. > > >> > > > >> > Brian Dennis, CCIE #2210 (R&S/ISP Dial) > > >> > > > >> > -Original Message- > > >> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf > Of > > >> > Scott Morris > > >> > Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 1:35 PM > > >> > To: 'Matheus, Joshua'; 'Dennis'; 'Ccielab (E-mail)' > > >> > Subject: RE: Way OT: RE: CCIE Salary > > >> > > > >> > Isn't $65k poverty level in New York? > > >> > > > >> > -Original Message- > > >> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf > Of > > >> > Matheus, Joshua > > >> > Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 3:50 PM > > >> > To: 'Dennis'; Ccielab (E-mail) > > >> > Subject: RE: Way OT: RE: CCIE Salary > > >> > > > >> > In New York the range can go from 65K to 250K. This is for a > technical > > >> > person not a "manager type". Right now I would say that 4 numbers > > >> > without a > > >> > good Science/Engineering Bachelors and 4 - 7 years of prestigious > > >> > enterprise >
Re: Way OT: RE: CCIE Salary [7:42111]
I agree...if one has a good deal of home equity here in the SV, you could pay cash for a house elsewhere and work cheaper and not have to worry about it... Larry Letterman Cisco Systems [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "adam lee" To: Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 9:30 PM Subject: RE: Way OT: RE: CCIE Salary [7:42111] > It's all relative. Some folks here have been cashing out and moving to Sac > cause it's cheaper. Can't say that I blame them. > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > Larry Letterman > Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 5:42 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Way OT: RE: CCIE Salary [7:42111] > > > Housing is cheaper, so are the salaries... > > Larry Letterman > Cisco Systems > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - Original Message - > From: "Howard C. Berkowitz" > To: > Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 8:01 PM > Subject: Re: Way OT: RE: CCIE Salary [7:42111] > > > > The new direction of this thread may bring new significance to "have > > a cow, man." > > > > > > >Hey, we pay about the same price for milk in the Raleigh area. Housing > is > > >much cheaper, though. :-) > > > > > >- Original Message - > > >From: "Manny Gonzalez" > > >To: "Brian Dennis" > > >Cc: "'Ccielab (E-mail)'" > > >Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 10:20 PM > > >Subject: Re: Way OT: RE: CCIE Salary > > > > > > > > >> Sorry Brian, we New Yorkers got you beat... A studio in a decent part > of > > >> Manhattan either sells for $1,000,000 or rents for at least > $2500/month. > > >> That is the lower end of the spectrum. Around the Battery Park City > area > > >> (one block from the former World Trade Center site) there are > [bargains] > > >> now they say for $3500 a month :-) > > >> > > >> In the outskirts, a DECENT house (not a real big or super nice one) > can > > >> easily go for $400,000 and 90% of the time there is a fight and ends > up > > >> going for a lot more. > > >> > > >> The 1, 2, 3, 4 million dollar homes are actually more abundant in the > > >> real estate listings than lesser priced homes. > > >> > > >> However, my usual gauge for cost of living ANYWHERE is the price of a > > >> standard gallon of milk. In my neighborhood, it is $3.25 a gallon... > > >> ___ > > >> Manny Gonzalez . CCIE# 9013 > > >> CORE Resources ... NY Presbyterian Hospital > > >> > > >> > > >> Brian Dennis wrote: > > >> > > > >> > Here in the San Jose area you can forget about living on $65k a > year. > > >> > There are mobile homes that cost over $200k out here. > > >> > > > >> > Brian Dennis, CCIE #2210 (R&S/ISP Dial) > > >> > > > >> > -Original Message- > > >> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf > Of > > >> > Scott Morris > > >> > Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 1:35 PM > > >> > To: 'Matheus, Joshua'; 'Dennis'; 'Ccielab (E-mail)' > > >> > Subject: RE: Way OT: RE: CCIE Salary > > >> > > > >> > Isn't $65k poverty level in New York? > > >> > > > >> > -Original Message- > > >> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf > Of > > >> > Matheus, Joshua > > >> > Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 3:50 PM > > >> > To: 'Dennis'; Ccielab (E-mail) > > >> > Subject: RE: Way OT: RE: CCIE Salary > > >> > > > >> > In New York the range can go from 65K to 250K. This is for a > technical > > >> > person not a "manager type". Right now I would say that 4 numbers > > >> > without a > > >> > good Science/Engineering Bachelors and 4 - 7 years of prestigious > > >> > enterprise > > >> > experience will lead to the 0$ figure very quickly. It makes you > ponder > > >> > the > > >> > old days (2 years ago) when you were worth your weight in platinum! > > >> > > > >> > -Original Message- > > >> &
Re: Way OT: RE: CCIE Salary [7:42111]
Hi list, I saw a website, (of course I can't remember right now) that polled 127 CCIE's about salary. The lowest was 98k the highest was 134k, tough to guage how accurate this information is. As far as regional pay, their are numerous websites that depict the comparative cost of living to where you want to move as compared to where you are. For instance a move from the Capitol region of New York to St Louis was 6500 dollar difference in salary, cheaper in St Louis. Taxes, property, insurance, salary, etc. All have a good day, Kevin McCarty CCNA CCNP Computer Sciences Corporation Defense Sector Larry LettermanTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Way OT: RE: CCIE Salary [7:42111] Sent by: nobody 04/22/2002 08:01 AM Please respond to Larry Letterman I agree...if one has a good deal of home equity here in the SV, you could pay cash for a house elsewhere and work cheaper and not have to worry about it... Larry Letterman Cisco Systems [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "adam lee" To: Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 9:30 PM Subject: RE: Way OT: RE: CCIE Salary [7:42111] > It's all relative. Some folks here have been cashing out and moving to Sac > cause it's cheaper. Can't say that I blame them. > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > Larry Letterman > Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 5:42 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Way OT: RE: CCIE Salary [7:42111] > > > Housing is cheaper, so are the salaries... > > Larry Letterman > Cisco Systems > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - Original Message - > From: "Howard C. Berkowitz" > To: > Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 8:01 PM > Subject: Re: Way OT: RE: CCIE Salary [7:42111] > > > > The new direction of this thread may bring new significance to "have > > a cow, man." > > > > > > >Hey, we pay about the same price for milk in the Raleigh area. Housing > is > > >much cheaper, though. :-) > > > > > >----- Original Message - > > >From: "Manny Gonzalez" > > >To: "Brian Dennis" > > >Cc: "'Ccielab (E-mail)'" > > >Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 10:20 PM > > >Subject: Re: Way OT: RE: CCIE Salary > > > > > > > > >> Sorry Brian, we New Yorkers got you beat... A studio in a decent part > of > > >> Manhattan either sells for $1,000,000 or rents for at least > $2500/month. > > >> That is the lower end of the spectrum. Around the Battery Park City > area > > >> (one block from the former World Trade Center site) there are > [bargains] > > >> now they say for $3500 a month :-) > > >> > > >> In the outskirts, a DECENT house (not a real big or super nice one) > can > > >> easily go for $400,000 and 90% of the time there is a fight and ends > up > > >> going for a lot more. > > >> > > >> The 1, 2, 3, 4 million dollar homes are actually more abundant in the > > >> real estate listings than lesser priced homes. > > >> > > >> However, my usual gauge for cost of living ANYWHERE is the price of a > > >> standard gallon of milk. In my neighborhood, it is $3.25 a gallon... > > >> ___ > > >> Manny Gonzalez . CCIE# 9013 > > >> CORE Resources ... NY Presbyterian Hospital > > >> > > >> > > >> Brian Dennis wrote: > > >> > > > >> > Here in the San Jose area you can forget about living on $65k a > year. > > >> > There are mobile homes that cost over $200k out here. > > >> > > > >> > Brian Dennis, CCIE #2210 (R&S/ISP Dial)
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working for a living and paying high rent/mortgage payments if you want to work in San Jose Tech market...if your like me and only got here in the last 2 yearsThe only saving grace is that my wife can work and make the same if not better income...and that the salary base is 2X what I was making in texas. Larry Letterman Cisco Systems [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "adam lee" To: "Larry Letterman" ; Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 10:54 PM Subject: RE: Way OT: RE: CCIE Salary [7:42111] > I've heard so many stories about that. I wondering where that leaves the > rest of us? > > -Original Message- > From: Larry Letterman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 10:17 PM > To: adam lee; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Way OT: RE: CCIE Salary [7:42111] > > > I agree...if one has a good deal of home equity here in the SV, you could > pay cash for a house elsewhere and work cheaper and not have to worry about > it... > > Larry Letterman > Cisco Systems > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - Original Message - > From: "adam lee" > To: > Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 9:30 PM > Subject: RE: Way OT: RE: CCIE Salary [7:42111] > > > > It's all relative. Some folks here have been cashing out and moving to > Sac > > cause it's cheaper. Can't say that I blame them. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > > Larry Letterman > > Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 5:42 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: Way OT: RE: CCIE Salary [7:42111] > > > > > > Housing is cheaper, so are the salaries... > > > > Larry Letterman > > Cisco Systems > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - Original Message - > > From: "Howard C. Berkowitz" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 8:01 PM > > Subject: Re: Way OT: RE: CCIE Salary [7:42111] > > > > > > > The new direction of this thread may bring new significance to "have > > > a cow, man." > > > > > > > > > >Hey, we pay about the same price for milk in the Raleigh area. Housing > > is > > > >much cheaper, though. :-) > > > > > > > >- Original Message - > > > >From: "Manny Gonzalez" > > > >To: "Brian Dennis" > > > >Cc: "'Ccielab (E-mail)'" > > > >Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 10:20 PM > > > >Subject: Re: Way OT: RE: CCIE Salary > > > > > > > > > > > >> Sorry Brian, we New Yorkers got you beat... A studio in a decent > part > > of > > > >> Manhattan either sells for $1,000,000 or rents for at least > > $2500/month. > > > >> That is the lower end of the spectrum. Around the Battery Park City > > area > > > >> (one block from the former World Trade Center site) there are > > [bargains] > > > >> now they say for $3500 a month :-) > > > >> > > > >> In the outskirts, a DECENT house (not a real big or super nice one) > > can > > > >> easily go for $400,000 and 90% of the time there is a fight and ends > > up > > > >> going for a lot more. > > > >> > > > >> The 1, 2, 3, 4 million dollar homes are actually more abundant in > the > > > >> real estate listings than lesser priced homes. > > > >> > > > >> However, my usual gauge for cost of living ANYWHERE is the price of > a > > > >> standard gallon of milk. In my neighborhood, it is $3.25 a gallon... > > > >> ___ > > > >> Manny Gonzalez . CCIE# 9013 > > > >> CORE Resources ... NY Presbyterian Hospital > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Brian Dennis wrote: > > > >> > > > > >> > Here in the San Jose area you can forget about living on $65k a > > year. > > > >> > There are mobile homes that cost over $200k out here. > > > >> > > > > >> > Brian Dennis, CCIE #2210 (R&S/ISP Dial) > > > >> > > > > >> > -Original Message- > > > >> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On > Behalf > > Of > > > >> > Scott Morris > > > >> > Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 1:35 PM > > > >> > To:
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Just some food for thought about those cost-of-living calculators. >From my take, I get the feeling that those cost-of-living calculators, while useful, really don't capture the complete picture. While certainly it is important to factor in the extra cost of living to, say, live in Silicon Valley, you shouldn't go overboard with it either. Let me explain. Let's say that location A has twice the living costs (using those calculators) compared to location B. So you might draw the conclusion that you must necessarily earn twice as much to live in A. Well, not exactly. For example, I think of a lot of those living costs calculators are predicated on somebody renting. However, if you can figure out a way to buy, then that reduces the impact of the higher cost of living, because part of what you're paying for the mortgage goes to building home equity (this does leave the problem of trying to come up with enough money for a down payment, but that's a whole new discussion). So if you can figure out a way to own, you have somewhat mitigated the impact of the higher cost of living. Similarly, although I admit this only grudgingly, higher taxes usually do mean better services. Now, I don't think the relationship is one-to-one, but in general it is the case that if you are in a higher-tax state, you get better services. For example, the state of California has used part of its high taxes (very high taxes) to build a public higher-education system that is quite simply awesome - the University of California system really does represent a killer financial deal for California college students. So if you have family members who want to attend school, this could be a consideration for you. The same thing is true for things like parks, recreational areas, mass-transit systems, police/fire departments, or any other government services. - the more taxes you pay, the more you get. Now don't get me wrong, from a philosophical point of view, I still believe in low taxes. But what I'm saying is that you do get back some of the tax component that is a part of higher living costs, so that also somewhat mitigates the higher living costs. Obviously these factors don't completely mitigate the higher cost of living in location A. But some mitigation does take place - and how much mitigation depends on whether you can own vs. rent, and how many of those extra government services you take advantage of. And it is also true that places that have an expensive cost of living are usually expensive for a good reason. Whether it has to do with a historically good job market, or good weather, or exciting night-life, or whatever, there's a reason why certain places are more expensive than others. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not telling everybody to just pick up and move to Silicon Valley, or Manhattan, or San Diego, or whatever. I'm just saying that you shouldn't rely dogmatically on those cost-of-living calculators to determine whether you should move or not. ""Larry Letterman"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > working for a living and paying high rent/mortgage payments if you > want to work in San Jose Tech market...if your like me and only got here > in the last 2 yearsThe only saving grace is that my wife can work and > make > the same if not better income...and that the salary base is 2X what I was > making > in texas. > > Larry Letterman > Cisco Systems > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ----- Original Message - > From: "adam lee" > To: "Larry Letterman" ; > Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 10:54 PM > Subject: RE: Way OT: RE: CCIE Salary [7:42111] > > > > I've heard so many stories about that. I wondering where that leaves the > > rest of us? > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Larry Letterman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 10:17 PM > > To: adam lee; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: Way OT: RE: CCIE Salary [7:42111] > > > > > > I agree...if one has a good deal of home equity here in the SV, you could > > pay cash for a house elsewhere and work cheaper and not have to worry > about > > it... > > > > Larry Letterman > > Cisco Systems > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - Original Message - > > From: "adam lee" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 9:30 PM > > Subject: RE: Way OT: RE: CCIE Salary [7:42111] > > > > > > > It's all relative. Some folks here have been cashing out and moving to > > Sac > > > cause it's cheaper. Can't say that I blame them. > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
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Unfortunately, we don't have that much income and we didn't buy like we should have five years ago. I keep telling her that we missed another one, again. Did you guys buy? If not, you probably know taxes are a killer. -Original Message- From: Larry Letterman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 11:31 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Way OT: RE: CCIE Salary [7:42111] working for a living and paying high rent/mortgage payments if you want to work in San Jose Tech market...if your like me and only got here in the last 2 yearsThe only saving grace is that my wife can work and make the same if not better income...and that the salary base is 2X what I was making in texas. Larry Letterman Cisco Systems [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "adam lee" To: "Larry Letterman" ; Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 10:54 PM Subject: RE: Way OT: RE: CCIE Salary [7:42111] > I've heard so many stories about that. I wondering where that leaves the > rest of us? > > -Original Message- > From: Larry Letterman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 10:17 PM > To: adam lee; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Way OT: RE: CCIE Salary [7:42111] > > > I agree...if one has a good deal of home equity here in the SV, you could > pay cash for a house elsewhere and work cheaper and not have to worry about > it... > > Larry Letterman > Cisco Systems > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - Original Message - > From: "adam lee" > To: > Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 9:30 PM > Subject: RE: Way OT: RE: CCIE Salary [7:42111] > > > > It's all relative. Some folks here have been cashing out and moving to > Sac > > cause it's cheaper. Can't say that I blame them. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > > Larry Letterman > > Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 5:42 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: Way OT: RE: CCIE Salary [7:42111] > > > > > > Housing is cheaper, so are the salaries... > > > > Larry Letterman > > Cisco Systems > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - Original Message - > > From: "Howard C. Berkowitz" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 8:01 PM > > Subject: Re: Way OT: RE: CCIE Salary [7:42111] > > > > > > > The new direction of this thread may bring new significance to "have > > > a cow, man." > > > > > > > > > >Hey, we pay about the same price for milk in the Raleigh area. Housing > > is > > > >much cheaper, though. :-) > > > > > > > >- Original Message - > > > >From: "Manny Gonzalez" > > > >To: "Brian Dennis" > > > >Cc: "'Ccielab (E-mail)'" > > > >Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 10:20 PM > > > >Subject: Re: Way OT: RE: CCIE Salary > > > > > > > > > > > >> Sorry Brian, we New Yorkers got you beat... A studio in a decent > part > > of > > > >> Manhattan either sells for $1,000,000 or rents for at least > > $2500/month. > > > >> That is the lower end of the spectrum. Around the Battery Park City > > area > > > >> (one block from the former World Trade Center site) there are > > [bargains] > > > >> now they say for $3500 a month :-) > > > >> > > > >> In the outskirts, a DECENT house (not a real big or super nice one) > > can > > > >> easily go for $400,000 and 90% of the time there is a fight and ends > > up > > > >> going for a lot more. > > > >> > > > >> The 1, 2, 3, 4 million dollar homes are actually more abundant in > the > > > >> real estate listings than lesser priced homes. > > > >> > > > >> However, my usual gauge for cost of living ANYWHERE is the price of > a > > > >> standard gallon of milk. In my neighborhood, it is $3.25 a gallon... > > > >> ___ > > > >> Manny Gonzalez . CCIE# 9013 > > > >> CORE Resources ... NY Presbyterian Hospital > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Brian Dennis wrote: > > > >> > > > > >> > Here in the San Jose area you can forget about living on $65k a > > year. > > > >> > There are mobile homes that cost over $200k out he
Re: CCIE salary ?honest opinions please. [7:42166]
I am more interesting in MIDWESTOHIO...CHICAGO..NY..ETC THANK YOU VERY MUCH == Patrick Bass wrote: > > Which part of the world? > > ""datek44 lee"" wrote in message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > Hi All: > > > > Just wondering... > > What's the average salary for CCIE in this market ? > > > > > > thank you very much... > > > > I am finishing my CCNP, and very interest in CCIE cert. > > Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42313&t=42166 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE salary ?honest opinions please. [7:42166]
I don't know if anyone can really give you a truth in that, other than someone who has collected a truely impartial survey. Even a CCIE, like myself, cannot tell you the "average", because all I know, is maybe what I have been able to make, and colleagues of mine. I offer my opinion however. In a straight salary job, you should be able to make $70-100k as a CCIE. In a pre-sales/post-sales role, where you acutally can bring yourself to do pushy sales types stuff and bring in numbers, and quotas and all that stuff, you can probably do $20-$30k better if your good at that. Many CCIE's I know have alot going on, I know I do. Authoring, Technical Editing, consulting, teaching, all in addition to having a full time salaried job. I even own my own Cisco Premier Partner, which has its own staff that works it full time. With all this "work" going on, I can say that I am making alot of money. But I also can say that I am working a hell of alot more than I would like to, so I throttle back alot at times, to try and slow things down. I work out of Shreveport Louisiana, USA, but that really doesn't matter because just about everything I do is outside of the state. My full time job, is Senior Engineer for a large ISP here in North Louisiana. As for straight salary pay, I am paid well for this part of the United States. The job is fun and exciting, but has alot of other duties as well (Linux administration, perl programming, etc). I enjoy working with equipment. I enjoy mostly networking and less administration. If your a CCIE getting very involved like many including myself do (authoring, editing, consulting, teaching, etc) then you can have all sorts of revenue streams. It comes down to the individule though, not the title. I look back and I was *everything* (except editing) before I was a CCIE, but now maybe I get a little more notoriety. The pay for all IT jobs is down right now, the market is in a slump, but CCIE's will always be at the top of that slump :) Brian On Sun, 21 Apr 2002, Patrick Bass wrote: > Which part of the world? > > ""datek44 lee"" wrote in message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > Hi All: > > > > Just wondering... > > What's the average salary for CCIE in this market ? > > > > > > thank you very much... > > > > I am finishing my CCNP, and very interest in CCIE cert. I'm buying / selling used CISCO gear!! email me for a quote Brian Feeny, CCIE #8036 Netjam, LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.netjam.net VISA/MC/AMEX/COD phone: 318-212-0245 30 day warranty fax: 318-212-0246 Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42628&t=42166 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
