Re: Stus-List 35-3 Ice Box Insulation
Jake I am interested in the insulation possibilities for the icebox on my 35 MKII; may be quite similar to your MKIII. Could you please send the photos to me: d.ve...@bellaliant.net Thanks Dwight CC 35 MKII, Alianna _ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Jake Brodersen Sent: February 5, 2014 8:49 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List 35-3 Ice Box Insulation I know several of you are curious about adding insulation to the ice box. On my 35-3 I added rigid foam insulation (with a metallic coating on one side) to the inside top of the ice box. It is glued in place and has worked well to eliminate the sweating on the counter that I had previously experienced after converting to refrigeration. This weekend I took some pictures of the available space around the sides of the icebox that are available for additional insulation. I have a small circular access plate under my stove that allows me to access the ice box drain. I noted that the right side (forward end) of the ice box has several inches of air space where you could add insulation. Although with such a small access hole, it would have to be flexible (like foam sheets) or cut into long, narrow strips for installation. There is also some room between the ice box and hull, but it is nearly inaccessible. The propane hose runs behind the ice box too. I wouldn't want to trap that in place, in case I ever have to change it, but there does appear to be a fairly large air space behind the ice box, between it and the hull. I took a couple of pictures of the space, if anyone would like to email me offline: captain_j...@cox.net I also have shots of the condenser and evaporator installations. I need to set-up a dropbox account again, I guess. In the meantime, email works fine. Cheers, Jake Jake Brodersen Midnight Mistress CC 35 Mk-III Hampton Va ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CC 41...offshore cnc models
I would always feel good about a LF38 :) IMHO one of the best offshore boats CC ever made. The layout is fantastic for the on-watch to get below for navigation or whatever and still have the main cabin closed off for the off-watch. OTOH my boat, while being the old school design, would not win an award for being dry or comfy pounding to windward in 12 foot seas as we found out. Fast yes - relaxing no. Joe Della Barba Coquina CC 35 MK I From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Frederick G Street Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2014 4:42 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List CC 41...offshore cnc models Jimmy - thanks, now I feel better about my boat with respect to that $29,000 CC40 mentioned earlier... :^) Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^( On Feb 4, 2014, at 3:36 PM, Jimmy Kelly kellyjimmy...@gmail.commailto:kellyjimmy...@gmail.com wrote: landfall 38...little slower under sail ..not as close winded but good offshore boats... ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CC 41...offshore cnc models- now heaving to
Hi Andy- I have never been in a situation where I feel the need to heave to, but I feel like I want to practice it in less than extreme conditions next summer. Can you describe the details of getting into this state and staying there? What I have read sounds simple, but I doubt anything is simple in high winds and 12 foot seas and that detail devil is always lurking nearby. Thanks- DaveOn Feb 5, 2014, at 9:06 AM, Andrew Burton a.burton.sai...@gmail.com wrote:I once took a Swan 651 to weather in 12 foot seas. It wasn't comfortable, either. I think you'd need a pretty big boat...Usually, if I have 12 foot seas on the nose (and I'm not racing), I'm hove to, relaxing and waiting for the wind to shift, while I have a cuppa tea under the dodger, watching the scenery roll by. Life at sea doesn't have to be an overly (physically) strenuous endeavor. AndyCC 40Peregrine David KnechtAries1990 CC 34+New London, CT ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CC 41...offshore cnc models- now heaving to
Years ago I had an offshore sailing program called Adventure Sailing that was dedicated to teaching people how to sail offshore successfully. (Will, from US Watercraft, who chimes in here occasionally was helping me for many of those trips.) One of the main objectives was stopping people from calling the Coasties to pull them off their boats when the wind topped 35 knots and they got tired, scared, and seasick. One of the best way to do that is to stop and wait for bad weather to go away...as it always does. And one of the best ways to stop is to heave to. You don't need to be in extreme conditions for this to work. And in the delivery business, where the object is to get your clients' boats to their destination with a minimum of wear and tear, heaving to is often the better part of valour. here's an article I wrote on the subject: http://www.cruisingworld.com/how-to/seamanship/smart-times-for-heaving-to And another by Andy Schell: http://www.sailmagazine.com/boat-handling/cruising-tips-heaving Lin Pardy has a good article in her book, Storm Tactics, about heaving to using a storm trysail and a sea anchor. I am not a fan of trailing a sea anchor off the bow on boats like ours due to the strain on the rudder as the boat is hurled backwards by the seas. It is certainly possible and practical to heave to in lighter airs. When you're singlehanded or with a non sailor, it is a good way to stop and use the head or make a cuppa, or well, I remember sailing in 10 knots of breeze off Victoria with a lovely red-haired girl on my Dad's CC 27... Anyway, take a look at the articles and if you still have questions, let me know. Andy CC 40 Peregrine On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 9:19 AM, David Knecht davidakne...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Andy- I have never been in a situation where I feel the need to heave to, but I feel like I want to practice it in less than extreme conditions next summer. Can you describe the details of getting into this state and staying there? What I have read sounds simple, but I doubt anything is simple in high winds and 12 foot seas and that detail devil is always lurking nearby. Thanks- Dave On Feb 5, 2014, at 9:06 AM, Andrew Burton a.burton.sai...@gmail.com wrote: I once took a Swan 651 to weather in 12 foot seas. It wasn't comfortable, either. I think you'd need a pretty big boat... Usually, if I have 12 foot seas on the nose (and I'm not racing), I'm hove to, relaxing and waiting for the wind to shift, while I have a cuppa tea under the dodger, watching the scenery roll by. Life at sea doesn't have to be an overly (physically) strenuous endeavor. Andy CC 40 Peregrine David Knecht Aries 1990 CC 34+ New London, CT ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- Andrew Burton 61 W Narragansett Ave Newport, RI USA 02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ phone +401 965 5260 pastedGraphic.tiff___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CC 41...offshore cnc models- now heaving to
Heaving to is pretty easy to practice. Tack but don't let the jib sheet go. On the new tack turn the wheel to windward. The rudder is trying to head you up and the backwinded jib is doing the opposite, so the boat kind of just sits there. Useful for making lunch or taking a dump if you have no autopilot. I have never tried it in really bad weather though. Joe Della Barba Coquina CC 35 MK I From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of David Knecht Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2014 9:20 AM To: CnC CnC discussion list Subject: Re: Stus-List CC 41...offshore cnc models- now heaving to Hi Andy- I have never been in a situation where I feel the need to heave to, but I feel like I want to practice it in less than extreme conditions next summer. Can you describe the details of getting into this state and staying there? What I have read sounds simple, but I doubt anything is simple in high winds and 12 foot seas and that detail devil is always lurking nearby. Thanks- Dave On Feb 5, 2014, at 9:06 AM, Andrew Burton a.burton.sai...@gmail.commailto:a.burton.sai...@gmail.com wrote: I once took a Swan 651 to weather in 12 foot seas. It wasn't comfortable, either. I think you'd need a pretty big boat... Usually, if I have 12 foot seas on the nose (and I'm not racing), I'm hove to, relaxing and waiting for the wind to shift, while I have a cuppa tea under the dodger, watching the scenery roll by. Life at sea doesn't have to be an overly (physically) strenuous endeavor. Andy CC 40 Peregrine David Knecht Aries 1990 CC 34+ New London, CT [cid:image001.png@01CF2256.83CB3BE0] inline: image001.png___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Stus-List insuring a 38 landfall
Hi I currently use Progressive for insuring my CC 29. I called them to insure the 38 Landfall and I was informed that they do not insure sailboat over 35' in length. They did how ever added the 38LF on to my policy for the remainder of the policy year (Aug) , but informed me that the policy will not be renewable. I have been looking for other insurance companies, and so far I have received only one quote as most companies are not interested. The quote came from BoatUS, but I was shocked that the quote is 4 times more than what I am currently paying at Progressive.Does $2,600/yr seem reasonable?What insurance companies are others using? Thanks for any insight. Paul - Paul E. 1979 CC 29 Mk1/ 1981 CC 38 Landfall S/V Johanna Rose Carrabelle, FL ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List insuring a 38 landfall
I am insuring through Gowrie Barden and Brett in CT. They have me at around $700. Andy CC 40 Peregrine On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 9:53 AM, dre...@gmail.com wrote: Hi I currently use Progressive for insuring my CC 29. I called them to insure the 38 Landfall and I was informed that they do not insure sailboat over 35' in length. They did how ever added the 38LF on to my policy for the remainder of the policy year (Aug) , but informed me that the policy will not be renewable. I have been looking for other insurance companies, and so far I have received only one quote as most companies are not interested. The quote came from BoatUS, but I was shocked that the quote is 4 times more than what I am currently paying at Progressive.Does $2,600/yr seem reasonable?What insurance companies are others using? Thanks for any insight. Paul - Paul E. 1979 CC 29 Mk1/ 1981 CC 38 Landfall S/V Johanna Rose Carrabelle, FL ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- Andrew Burton 61 W Narragansett Ave Newport, RI USA 02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ phone +401 965 5260 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List insuring a 38 landfall
Florida is a much more expensive place to insure a boat because it is considered to be in the hurricane zone. BoatUS charges me about 700 for my 35/3 in Annapolis. Joel On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 9:57 AM, Andrew Burton a.burton.sai...@gmail.comwrote: I am insuring through Gowrie Barden and Brett in CT. They have me at around $700. Andy CC 40 Peregrine On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 9:53 AM, dre...@gmail.com wrote: Hi I currently use Progressive for insuring my CC 29. I called them to insure the 38 Landfall and I was informed that they do not insure sailboat over 35' in length. They did how ever added the 38LF on to my policy for the remainder of the policy year (Aug) , but informed me that the policy will not be renewable. I have been looking for other insurance companies, and so far I have received only one quote as most companies are not interested. The quote came from BoatUS, but I was shocked that the quote is 4 times more than what I am currently paying at Progressive.Does $2,600/yr seem reasonable?What insurance companies are others using? Thanks for any insight. Paul - Paul E. 1979 CC 29 Mk1/ 1981 CC 38 Landfall S/V Johanna Rose Carrabelle, FL ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- Andrew Burton 61 W Narragansett Ave Newport, RI USA 02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ phone +401 965 5260 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List insuring a 38 landfall
I am paying about $500/yr for BOATUS. I think it would double or triple if I moved to Florida :( Joe Della Barba Coquina CC 35 MK I Kent Island, MD From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Burton Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2014 9:57 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List insuring a 38 landfall I am insuring through Gowrie Barden and Brett in CT. They have me at around $700. Andy CC 40 Peregrine On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 9:53 AM, dre...@gmail.commailto:dre...@gmail.com wrote: Hi I currently use Progressive for insuring my CC 29. I called them to insure the 38 Landfall and I was informed that they do not insure sailboat over 35' in length. They did how ever added the 38LF on to my policy for the remainder of the policy year (Aug) , but informed me that the policy will not be renewable. I have been looking for other insurance companies, and so far I have received only one quote as most companies are not interested. The quote came from BoatUS, but I was shocked that the quote is 4 times more than what I am currently paying at Progressive.Does $2,600/yr seem reasonable?What insurance companies are others using? Thanks for any insight. Paul - Paul E. 1979 CC 29 Mk1/ 1981 CC 38 Landfall S/V Johanna Rose Carrabelle, FL ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.commailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- Andrew Burton 61 W Narragansett Ave Newport, RI USA 02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ phone +401 965 5260 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List insuring a 38 landfall
BoatUS is outrageously expensive in Florida. I think they wanted 2K from me for a 10K policy with a 2.5K deductible on a Bristol 30 in Fort Lauderdale. Progressive gave me the same policy for $600. When I moved to St. Petersburg, it dropped to $400. The rates went way up in South Florida after the horrible 2004-5 hurricane seasons, when hundreds/thousands of boats were sunk from West Palm Beach on south. Especially on older boats. The suspicion was that owners were using the hurricanes as a way to get rid of older, well-insured boats that weren’t in good shape. At my mooring field at Key Biscayne, the joke was that for every owner adding lines, there was another one loosening them ... Jack Brennan Former CC 25 Shanachie, 1974 Bristol 30 Tierra Verde, Fl. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List insuring a 38 landfall
There can be an issue with insuring boats that are more than 25 years old, at least that is what I learned from my agent here in Halifax, Royal Sun alliance is the underwriter and I am not insured for full replacement value, more like the current market value, so if you can find an underwriter save some money and go with current market value on an older boat and get at least $1 million third party liability. Dwight CC 35, Alianna _ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Della Barba, Joe Sent: February 5, 2014 11:01 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List insuring a 38 landfall I am paying about $500/yr for BOATUS. I think it would double or triple if I moved to Florida :-( Joe Della Barba Coquina CC 35 MK I Kent Island, MD From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Burton Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2014 9:57 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List insuring a 38 landfall I am insuring through Gowrie Barden and Brett in CT. They have me at around $700. Andy CC 40 Peregrine On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 9:53 AM, dre...@gmail.com wrote: Hi I currently use Progressive for insuring my CC 29. I called them to insure the 38 Landfall and I was informed that they do not insure sailboat over 35' in length. They did how ever added the 38LF on to my policy for the remainder of the policy year (Aug) , but informed me that the policy will not be renewable. I have been looking for other insurance companies, and so far I have received only one quote as most companies are not interested. The quote came from BoatUS, but I was shocked that the quote is 4 times more than what I am currently paying at Progressive.Does $2,600/yr seem reasonable? What insurance companies are others using? Thanks for any insight. Paul - Paul E. 1979 CC 29 Mk1/ 1981 CC 38 Landfall S/V Johanna Rose Carrabelle, FL ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- Andrew Burton 61 W Narragansett Ave Newport, RI USA 02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ phone +401 965 5260 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List insuring a 38 landfall
I’m at about $800 for my LF38, with an agreed value of $50k (much more than I could get selling her…). But that’s for Great Lakes and tributaries. It’s all about location. Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^( On Feb 5, 2014, at 8:59 AM, Joel Aronson joel.aron...@gmail.com wrote: Florida is a much more expensive place to insure a boat because it is considered to be in the hurricane zone. BoatUS charges me about 700 for my 35/3 in Annapolis. Joel On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 9:57 AM, Andrew Burton a.burton.sai...@gmail.com wrote: I am insuring through Gowrie Barden and Brett in CT. They have me at around $700. Andy CC 40 Peregrine On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 9:53 AM, dre...@gmail.com wrote: Hi I currently use Progressive for insuring my CC 29. I called them to insure the 38 Landfall and I was informed that they do not insure sailboat over 35' in length. They did how ever added the 38LF on to my policy for the remainder of the policy year (Aug) , but informed me that the policy will not be renewable. I have been looking for other insurance companies, and so far I have received only one quote as most companies are not interested. The quote came from BoatUS, but I was shocked that the quote is 4 times more than what I am currently paying at Progressive.Does $2,600/yr seem reasonable?What insurance companies are others using? ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CC 41...offshore cnc models- now heaving to
Andy — you scoundrel, you… :^) Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^( On Feb 5, 2014, at 8:39 AM, Andrew Burton a.burton.sai...@gmail.com wrote: I remember sailing in 10 knots of breeze off Victoria with a lovely red-haired girl on my Dad's CC 27... ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CC 41...offshore cnc models- now heaving to
Very practical, Joe, but. no offence. I think we all like Andrew's scenario better. Rick Brass From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Della Barba, Joe Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2014 9:42 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List CC 41...offshore cnc models- now heaving to Heaving to is pretty easy to practice. Tack but don't let the jib sheet go. On the new tack turn the wheel to windward. The rudder is trying to head you up and the backwinded jib is doing the opposite, so the boat kind of just sits there. Useful for making lunch or taking a dump if you have no autopilot. I have never tried it in really bad weather though. Joe Della Barba Coquina CC 35 MK I From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of David Knecht Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2014 9:20 AM To: CnC CnC discussion list Subject: Re: Stus-List CC 41...offshore cnc models- now heaving to Hi Andy- I have never been in a situation where I feel the need to heave to, but I feel like I want to practice it in less than extreme conditions next summer. Can you describe the details of getting into this state and staying there? What I have read sounds simple, but I doubt anything is simple in high winds and 12 foot seas and that detail devil is always lurking nearby. Thanks- Dave On Feb 5, 2014, at 9:06 AM, Andrew Burton a.burton.sai...@gmail.com wrote: I once took a Swan 651 to weather in 12 foot seas. It wasn't comfortable, either. I think you'd need a pretty big boat... Usually, if I have 12 foot seas on the nose (and I'm not racing), I'm hove to, relaxing and waiting for the wind to shift, while I have a cuppa tea under the dodger, watching the scenery roll by. Life at sea doesn't have to be an overly (physically) strenuous endeavor. Andy CC 40 Peregrine David Knecht Aries 1990 CC 34+ New London, CT image001.png___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List insuring a 38 landfall
Yes, 2,600 per year sounds very, very high. Boat US is by no means the cheapest but by most accounts are extremely responsive and provide good coverage. Price will vary significantly due to nav area and boat value. By comparison, my 121 is insured by Progressive for about $800 annual (coastal only). I'm sure BoatUS would be more responsive but I figured the best bet is to simply avoid having to file a claim John Sent from my iPad On Feb 5, 2014, at 9:53 AM, dre...@gmail.com wrote: Hi I currently use Progressive for insuring my CC 29. I called them to insure the 38 Landfall and I was informed that they do not insure sailboat over 35' in length. They did how ever added the 38LF on to my policy for the remainder of the policy year (Aug) , but informed me that the policy will not be renewable. I have been looking for other insurance companies, and so far I have received only one quote as most companies are not interested. The quote came from BoatUS, but I was shocked that the quote is 4 times more than what I am currently paying at Progressive.Does $2,600/yr seem reasonable?What insurance companies are others using? Thanks for any insight. Paul - Paul E. 1979 CC 29 Mk1/ 1981 CC 38 Landfall S/V Johanna Rose Carrabelle, FL ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Hand Holds
There must be a ton of them around somewhere after Sandy, etc. One of the listers was parting his broken boat out, a search in the archives might give a clue. Jim Watts Paradigm Shift CC 35 Mk III Victoria, BC On 4 February 2014 23:41, Kevin Driscoll kevindrisc...@gmail.com wrote: I am in the same boat (pun intended). We have one broken in the aft cabin on our 30mkII. Let me know if you find one Robert or an alternative solution i.e. epoxy. Best, Kevin Kevin Driscoll Portland, Oregon 503 // 875 // 3493 On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 8:07 AM, Robert Gallagher trys...@gmail.comwrote: Hi All, I need to replace one of the interior plastic(?) hand holds that CC used as corner molding on their late 80's to 90's boats like the 30 MKII, 34+, etc. Hard to explain but if you have one of these boats you will know what I mean. There is one located on the port side of the shelf that in part of the companion way interior steps. Here is a link to a photo of the broken hand hold. A higher quality material would be ideal. http://s1294.photobucket.com/user/Trysail1/media/IMG_0100_zps4bfbf267.jpg.html Thanks, Rob ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List insuring a 38 landfall
I'm paying about $600/year with an agreed value of 35k on my 32. Lake Ontario isn't in the hurricane belt though and my boat spends 7 (long sad cold) months out of the water. Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 11:27 AM, j...@svpaws.net j...@svpaws.net wrote: Yes, 2,600 per year sounds very, very high. Boat US is by no means the cheapest but by most accounts are extremely responsive and provide good coverage. Price will vary significantly due to nav area and boat value. By comparison, my 121 is insured by Progressive for about $800 annual (coastal only). I'm sure BoatUS would be more responsive but I figured the best bet is to simply avoid having to file a claim John Sent from my iPad On Feb 5, 2014, at 9:53 AM, dre...@gmail.com wrote: Hi I currently use Progressive for insuring my CC 29. I called them to insure the 38 Landfall and I was informed that they do not insure sailboat over 35' in length. They did how ever added the 38LF on to my policy for the remainder of the policy year (Aug) , but informed me that the policy will not be renewable. I have been looking for other insurance companies, and so far I have received only one quote as most companies are not interested. The quote came from BoatUS, but I was shocked that the quote is 4 times more than what I am currently paying at Progressive.Does $2,600/yr seem reasonable?What insurance companies are others using? Thanks for any insight. Paul - Paul E. 1979 CC 29 Mk1/ 1981 CC 38 Landfall S/V Johanna Rose Carrabelle, FL ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List insuring a 38 landfall
I would guess you're paying the price for living in Florida. Rates in the coastal counties of North Carolina more than doubled a few years ago due to insurance company experience in hurricane country, and in addition deductables were doubled in the event of a named storm - even though we only get hit with a hurricane every 4 or 5 years on average. I, too, had progressive coverage on my 38 for a few months. They will not normally cover anything over 35 feet. I also found the policy was slanted toward the coverage needed for a boat on a trailer when compared to the marine policy I had previously. I had coverage for a while from a company called Victoria, which was the marine insurance subsidiary of Nationwide or Geico. They did not renew one year because my boat no longer met their underwriting criteria for age and value. Might be a problem, but the cost was reasonable. I was going to say Boat/US. Have you tried SeaTow Insurance as well? One alternative might be to join your local Power Squadron chapter so you can get into their insurance program. You get credit for education and for being conscientious and concerned with safety. The Power Squadron insurance was the best value I had, and I regret changing carriers now. Have you called the agent that does your home owners and car insurance? They might be able to help with marine insurance. That's how I ended up with Victoria, and changing got me a multi-policy discount on my homeowners insurance (which has also gone up a whale of a lot in the coastal counties of North Carolina - afterboth Irene and Sandy). Or you might try one of the several marines specific insurance agencies who advertise in Cruising World of Blue Water sailing. Good luck, Rick Brass Washington, NC -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of dre...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2014 9:54 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List insuring a 38 landfall Hi I currently use Progressive for insuring my CC 29. I called them to insure the 38 Landfall and I was informed that they do not insure sailboat over 35' in length. They did how ever added the 38LF on to my policy for the remainder of the policy year (Aug) , but informed me that the policy will not be renewable. I have been looking for other insurance companies, and so far I have received only one quote as most companies are not interested. The quote came from BoatUS, but I was shocked that the quote is 4 times more than what I am currently paying at Progressive.Does $2,600/yr seem reasonable? What insurance companies are others using? Thanks for any insight. Paul - Paul E. 1979 CC 29 Mk1/ 1981 CC 38 Landfall S/V Johanna Rose Carrabelle, FL ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List 35-3 Ice Box Insulation
I glued two inch closed cell foam to the under side of the top of the ice box. I also drilled a hole through the wall just aft of the stove, and injected foam into the void. The can comes with a long tube which I inserted as far as it would go toward the port side of the boat, and practically emptied the can. I'm sure I didn't fill all of the void, but the extra foam probably made a difference. Alan Bergen 35 Mk III Thirsty Rose City YC Portland, OR ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Stus-List Insuring a 38 landfall
Hi, Down in Georgia, the best deal going is Allstate. I'm insuring Take Five (1990 34+) for $400.00 per year with excellent coverage and reasonable deductible( Using the pay it all upfront and multi policy discounts.). BoatUS was about 3 time that.. Of course I'm inland on a medium sized lake so insuring on the coast or bigger lakes could obviously raise that. It's probably worth a call. -Francois Rivard 1990 CC 34+ Take Five___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List 35-3 Ice Box Insulation
Ice block melt test. I would encourage anyone considering this exercise to read Don Casey's book This Old Boat. He goes into detail about ice box insulation, the best way to do it, how not to do it and how to quantify what difference you might have made. Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 12:18 PM, Alan Bergen alan-at-h...@comcast.netwrote: I glued two inch closed cell foam to the under side of the top of the ice box. I also drilled a hole through the wall just aft of the stove, and injected foam into the void. The can comes with a long tube which I inserted as far as it would go toward the port side of the boat, and practically emptied the can. I'm sure I didn't fill all of the void, but the extra foam probably made a difference. Alan Bergen 35 Mk III Thirsty Rose City YC Portland, OR ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CC 41...offshore cnc models- now heaving to
I never had luck or need to be hove-to myself till last spring when a broken fuel gage left us without engine propulsion. The Chesapeake was pretty rough by bay standards. High frequency 6-10 foot breakers and 20-25kts wind. We had been running up the shore and, given time, would have been pushed into the shallows. We decided being adrift was poor form especially in the shipping channel despite it's conciderable width. So, we gained steerage and began making way by unfurling the headsail and managed to work the main up into a double reaf through a series of coordinated pinches into the wind. Despite no immediate danger we decided that any attempts to make it up the narrow river for the nearest refueling, under sail alone, was going to be extremely challenging at best. We finally gave in and called BoatUS for a fuel delivery. After 1-2 hours and repeated phone calls for updated position, the fuel guy finally says, You gotta slow down! You must be goin' 7kts. I'm only going 8 in this little 22 foot boat. I'm getting beat up out here. I can see ya but I can't catch ya! Sure enough directly to our stern there was a tiny glint on the horizon that was occasionally emphasized by an explosion of water. We immediately turned around and within what seemed like 5 minutes we were within hand signal range. We performed our less than practiced hove-to, not really knowing for sure how well behaved the boat would be. The fuel guy had fenders out and expertly maneuvered his boat to ours. Without ever touching boats he was twice able to get close enough to pass a mooring line tied to a 5 gallon jug. We pulled them aboard, fuelled up and motored 5 hours to our originally planned anchorage, finally stopping around midnight. In the morning we topped up by adding about 35 gallons to our 40 gallon tank. In the end I have quite a bit of confidence in being able to perform the maneuver effortlessly if needed. The boat makes me look good. All that being said the one thing that can go wrong is having two much headsail compared to main sail. Every time you think you have it the nose will keep drifting further and ruther to weather and soon you are downwind and have to watch for a jibe or possibly worse just crosswind and getting blown over. I prefer to keep my headsail off the mast so roller reafing till the clew is even with the mast is one of my first steps. A european sailing magazine I was reading actually advised that a hove-to manuver should be the first thing you do for a MOB. The boat stops almost on a dime and will start slowing backing down on the victim. If unable to reach the victim in this manner then straighten the wheel, release the headsail sheet and finish the tack. Once making way again any of your traditional rescue manuvers can be performed (circle, figure 8, etc...) Good luck and may all if us find ourselves needing to hove-to for a redhead. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk Solomons, MD On Feb 5, 2014 9:20 AM, David Knecht davidakne...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Andy- I have never been in a situation where I feel the need to heave to, but I feel like I want to practice it in less than extreme conditions next summer. Can you describe the details of getting into this state and staying there? What I have read sounds simple, but I doubt anything is simple in high winds and 12 foot seas and that detail devil is always lurking nearby. Thanks- Dave On Feb 5, 2014, at 9:06 AM, Andrew Burton a.burton.sai...@gmail.com wrote: I once took a Swan 651 to weather in 12 foot seas. It wasn't comfortable, either. I think you'd need a pretty big boat... Usually, if I have 12 foot seas on the nose (and I'm not racing), I'm hove to, relaxing and waiting for the wind to shift, while I have a cuppa tea under the dodger, watching the scenery roll by. Life at sea doesn't have to be an overly (physically) strenuous endeavor. Andy CC 40 Peregrine David Knecht Aries 1990 CC 34+ New London, CT ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com pastedGraphic.tiff___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Stus-List Climing over the stern rail is a pain
Has anyone put a hinged gate in the stern rail so that one can clamber up the swim ladder and not have to climb over the rail? I'm thinking this might make the stern rail too weak when the gate is open. Has this been discussed? Anybody bothered by this? -- Ron Lisa 35-3 Mr. Bop ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Climing over the stern rail is a pain
I've seen people add lifeline gates. It involves having the pulpit modified of course (middle section removed). Yeah, it's a pain climbing over the rail. I always instruct my guests to grab a hold of the backstay to steady themselves. (split backstay) Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:18 PM, Ron Kaye ronkaye...@gmail.com wrote: Has anyone put a hinged gate in the stern rail so that one can clamber up the swim ladder and not have to climb over the rail? I'm thinking this might make the stern rail too weak when the gate is open. Has this been discussed? Anybody bothered by this? -- Ron Lisa 35-3 Mr. Bop ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CC 41...offshore cnc models- now heaving to
Did it about 60 miles off of Bermuda in a gale (30+ knots) in short choppy seas. Had the # 3 up and double reefed main. We were bashing our way in when we had to chill things out a bit for a sick passenger. All we did was tack without releasing the jib sheet. Settled right down. You think the weather was turned off. Rather pleasant actually. I wish I knew this trick when I was 17 and with a blonde on my father's 24'. Had the boat doing circles (kind of) and almost ran over a clammer. Woops. Life was good if your Dad had a sailboat with a cabin. David F. Risch 1981 40-2 (401) 419-4650 (cell) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 13:17:21 -0500 From: muckl...@gmail.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List CC 41...offshore cnc models- now heaving to I never had luck or need to be hove-to myself till last spring when a broken fuel gage left us without engine propulsion. The Chesapeake was pretty rough by bay standards. High frequency 6-10 foot breakers and 20-25kts wind. We had been running up the shore and, given time, would have been pushed into the shallows. We decided being adrift was poor form especially in the shipping channel despite it's conciderable width. So, we gained steerage and began making way by unfurling the headsail and managed to work the main up into a double reaf through a series of coordinated pinches into the wind. Despite no immediate danger we decided that any attempts to make it up the narrow river for the nearest refueling, under sail alone, was going to be extremely challenging at best. We finally gave in and called BoatUS for a fuel delivery. After 1-2 hours and repeated phone calls for updated position, the fuel guy finally says, You gotta slow down! You must be goin' 7kts. I'm only going 8 in this little 22 foot boat. I'm getting beat up out here. I can see ya but I can't catch ya! Sure enough directly to our stern there was a tiny glint on the horizon that was occasionally emphasized by an explosion of water. We immediately turned around and within what seemed like 5 minutes we were within hand signal range. We performed our less than practiced hove-to, not really knowing for sure how well behaved the boat would be. The fuel guy had fenders out and expertly maneuvered his boat to ours. Without ever touching boats he was twice able to get close enough to pass a mooring line tied to a 5 gallon jug. We pulled them aboard, fuelled up and motored 5 hours to our originally planned anchorage, finally stopping around midnight. In the morning we topped up by adding about 35 gallons to our 40 gallon tank. In the end I have quite a bit of confidence in being able to perform the maneuver effortlessly if needed. The boat makes me look good. All that being said the one thing that can go wrong is having two much headsail compared to main sail. Every time you think you have it the nose will keep drifting further and ruther to weather and soon you are downwind and have to watch for a jibe or possibly worse just crosswind and getting blown over. I prefer to keep my headsail off the mast so roller reafing till the clew is even with the mast is one of my first steps. A european sailing magazine I was reading actually advised that a hove-to manuver should be the first thing you do for a MOB. The boat stops almost on a dime and will start slowing backing down on the victim. If unable to reach the victim in this manner then straighten the wheel, release the headsail sheet and finish the tack. Once making way again any of your traditional rescue manuvers can be performed (circle, figure 8, etc...) Good luck and may all if us find ourselves needing to hove-to for a redhead. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk Solomons, MD On Feb 5, 2014 9:20 AM, David Knecht davidakne...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Andy- I have never been in a situation where I feel the need to heave to, but I feel like I want to practice it in less than extreme conditions next summer. Can you describe the details of getting into this state and staying there? What I have read sounds simple, but I doubt anything is simple in high winds and 12 foot seas and that detail devil is always lurking nearby. Thanks- Dave On Feb 5, 2014, at 9:06 AM, Andrew Burton a.burton.sai...@gmail.com wrote: I once took a Swan 651 to weather in 12 foot seas. It wasn't comfortable, either. I think you'd need a pretty big boat... Usually, if I have 12 foot seas on the nose (and I'm not racing), I'm hove to, relaxing and waiting for the wind to shift, while I have a cuppa tea under the dodger, watching the scenery roll by. Life at sea doesn't have to be an overly (physically) strenuous endeavor. Andy CC 40 Peregrine David KnechtAries1990 CC 34+New London, CT ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is
Re: Stus-List Hand Holds
Get a few of you together and have some printed up in plastic on a 3D printer. Bill Coleman CC 39 animated_favicon1 There must be a ton of them around somewhere after Sandy, etc. One of the listers was parting his broken boat out, a search in the archives might give a clue. Jim Watts Paradigm Shift CC 35 Mk III Victoria, BC On 4 February 2014 23:41, Kevin Driscoll kevindrisc...@gmail.com wrote: I am in the same boat (pun intended). We have one broken in the aft cabin on our 30mkII. Let me know if you find one Robert or an alternative solution i.e. epoxy. Best, Kevin Kevin Driscoll Portland, Oregon 503 // 875 // 3493 On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 8:07 AM, Robert Gallagher trys...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, I need to replace one of the interior plastic(?) hand holds that CC used as corner molding on their late 80's to 90's boats like the 30 MKII, 34+, etc. Hard to explain but if you have one of these boats you will know what I mean. There is one located on the port side of the shelf that in part of the companion way interior steps. Here is a link to a photo of the broken hand hold. A higher quality material would be ideal. http://s1294.photobucket.com/user/Trysail1/media/IMG_0100_zps4bfbf267.jpg.ht ml Thanks, Rob ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com image001.gif___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Climing over the stern rail is a pain
My stern rail has a lower rail and a gate instead of an upper rail. Yes, its a pain! I wonder how much you would weaken the rail if it were split with two gates too. However, I only use the ladder when the boat is on the hard. Joel 35/3 Annapolis On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:23 PM, Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.comwrote: I've seen people add lifeline gates. It involves having the pulpit modified of course (middle section removed). Yeah, it's a pain climbing over the rail. I always instruct my guests to grab a hold of the backstay to steady themselves. (split backstay) Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:18 PM, Ron Kaye ronkaye...@gmail.com wrote: Has anyone put a hinged gate in the stern rail so that one can clamber up the swim ladder and not have to climb over the rail? I'm thinking this might make the stern rail too weak when the gate is open. Has this been discussed? Anybody bothered by this? -- Ron Lisa 35-3 Mr. Bop ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Climing over the stern rail is a pain
It would definitely weaken the stern rail both when open and when closed. However, when closed it would only move a slight bit. A lot would depend on whether your pulpit has a second rail. Most CC's I've seen only have a single rail. The easy way to add a gate is to cut the top rail and add a stanchion cap with eye on each cut side. Be sure to install a locking screw tapped into the cap. You could then make a lifeline gate with a toggle on one end and pelican hook on the other to stretch between the eyes. You could slide a lifeline cushion on the gate to lean against while driving. If you were concerned about strength, add a stanchion brace on either side if practical. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 12:18 PM, Ron Kaye ronkaye...@gmail.com wrote: Has anyone put a hinged gate in the stern rail so that one can clamber up the swim ladder and not have to climb over the rail? I'm thinking this might make the stern rail too weak when the gate is open. Has this been discussed? Anybody bothered by this? -- Ron Lisa 35-3 Mr. Bop ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Climing over the stern rail is a pain
Dennis, The backstay is so close to the helm seat that you can't sit comfortably when the boat is upright! If I ever have to replace the backstay I will consider making it a split stay. Then the walk thru transom. Then Joel 35/3 Annapolis On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Dennis Cheuvront capt...@gmail.com wrote: It would definitely weaken the stern rail both when open and when closed. However, when closed it would only move a slight bit. A lot would depend on whether your pulpit has a second rail. Most CC's I've seen only have a single rail. The easy way to add a gate is to cut the top rail and add a stanchion cap with eye on each cut side. Be sure to install a locking screw tapped into the cap. You could then make a lifeline gate with a toggle on one end and pelican hook on the other to stretch between the eyes. You could slide a lifeline cushion on the gate to lean against while driving. If you were concerned about strength, add a stanchion brace on either side if practical. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 12:18 PM, Ron Kaye ronkaye...@gmail.com wrote: Has anyone put a hinged gate in the stern rail so that one can clamber up the swim ladder and not have to climb over the rail? I'm thinking this might make the stern rail too weak when the gate is open. Has this been discussed? Anybody bothered by this? -- Ron Lisa 35-3 Mr. Bop ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Climing over the stern rail is a pain
I have a 32 with a double rail at the stern and am thinking about cutting the upper and adding a gate. My swim ladder actually comes slightly above the lower rail when up where it tie it. My concern is that I have a motor mount and a 65 Lb outboard on the stern rail port side vertical post which I will have to shift more to port but wondered about the rail strength after cutting. Any thoughts? I am also looking for a lighter outboard with a little less HP. John Arpeggio 32 Norwalk CT From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2014 1:35 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Climing over the stern rail is a pain My stern rail has a lower rail and a gate instead of an upper rail. Yes, its a pain! I wonder how much you would weaken the rail if it were split with two gates too. However, I only use the ladder when the boat is on the hard. Joel 35/3 Annapolis On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:23 PM, Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com wrote: I've seen people add lifeline gates. It involves having the pulpit modified of course (middle section removed). Yeah, it's a pain climbing over the rail. I always instruct my guests to grab a hold of the backstay to steady themselves. (split backstay) Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:18 PM, Ron Kaye ronkaye...@gmail.com wrote: Has anyone put a hinged gate in the stern rail so that one can clamber up the swim ladder and not have to climb over the rail? I'm thinking this might make the stern rail too weak when the gate is open. Has this been discussed? Anybody bothered by this? -- Ron Lisa 35-3 Mr. Bop ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CC 41...offshore cnc models- now heaving to
Another good reason to roll the headsail in enough to clear the mast is to prevent a spreader from poking a hole in the sail. From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh Muckley Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2014 12:17 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List CC 41...offshore cnc models- now heaving to .. All that being said the one thing that can go wrong is having two much headsail compared to main sail. . I prefer to keep my headsail off the mast so roller reafing till the clew is even with the mast is one of my first steps. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CC 41...offshore cnc models- now heaving to
Yes it was :) You do have to make sure your friends don't go on with remember when you and. stories with your wife around though. Danger of having the same boat since 1977 I guess. Joe Della Barba Coquina From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of David Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2014 1:28 PM To: CNC CNC Subject: Re: Stus-List CC 41...offshore cnc models- now heaving to I wish I knew this trick when I was 17 and with a blonde on my father's 24'. Had the boat doing circles (kind of) and almost ran over a clammer. Woops. Life was good if your Dad had a sailboat with a cabin. David F. Risch 1981 40-2 (401) 419-4650 (cell) CnC-List@cnc-list.commailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Climing over the stern rail is a pain
I have 1 inch rails, double except at the ladder where it is single. I sometimes keep a 85 lb outboard clamped next to it and I have a radar pole outboard to the motor with no issues. Thanks, Mike Fair From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of John Russo Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2014 2:34 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Climing over the stern rail is a pain I have a 32 with a double rail at the stern and am thinking about cutting the upper and adding a gate. My swim ladder actually comes slightly above the lower rail when up where it tie it. My concern is that I have a motor mount and a 65 Lb outboard on the stern rail port side vertical post which I will have to shift more to port but wondered about the rail strength after cutting. Any thoughts? I am also looking for a lighter outboard with a little less HP. John Arpeggio 32 Norwalk CT From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2014 1:35 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Climing over the stern rail is a pain My stern rail has a lower rail and a gate instead of an upper rail. Yes, its a pain! I wonder how much you would weaken the rail if it were split with two gates too. However, I only use the ladder when the boat is on the hard. Joel 35/3 Annapolis On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:23 PM, Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.commailto:stevanpla...@gmail.com wrote: I've seen people add lifeline gates. It involves having the pulpit modified of course (middle section removed). Yeah, it's a pain climbing over the rail. I always instruct my guests to grab a hold of the backstay to steady themselves. (split backstay) Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:18 PM, Ron Kaye ronkaye...@gmail.commailto:ronkaye...@gmail.com wrote: Has anyone put a hinged gate in the stern rail so that one can clamber up the swim ladder and not have to climb over the rail? I'm thinking this might make the stern rail too weak when the gate is open. Has this been discussed? Anybody bothered by this? -- Ron Lisa 35-3 Mr. Bop ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.commailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.commailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List [SPAM]Re: Climing over the stern rail is a pain
Thanks, That is encouraging! John From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Fair, Mike Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2014 3:20 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: [SPAM]Re: Stus-List Climing over the stern rail is a pain I have 1 inch rails, double except at the ladder where it is single. I sometimes keep a 85 lb outboard clamped next to it and I have a radar pole outboard to the motor with no issues. Thanks, Mike Fair From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of John Russo Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2014 2:34 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Climing over the stern rail is a pain I have a 32 with a double rail at the stern and am thinking about cutting the upper and adding a gate. My swim ladder actually comes slightly above the lower rail when up where it tie it. My concern is that I have a motor mount and a 65 Lb outboard on the stern rail port side vertical post which I will have to shift more to port but wondered about the rail strength after cutting. Any thoughts? I am also looking for a lighter outboard with a little less HP. John Arpeggio 32 Norwalk CT From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2014 1:35 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Climing over the stern rail is a pain My stern rail has a lower rail and a gate instead of an upper rail. Yes, its a pain! I wonder how much you would weaken the rail if it were split with two gates too. However, I only use the ladder when the boat is on the hard. Joel 35/3 Annapolis On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:23 PM, Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com wrote: I've seen people add lifeline gates. It involves having the pulpit modified of course (middle section removed). Yeah, it's a pain climbing over the rail. I always instruct my guests to grab a hold of the backstay to steady themselves. (split backstay) Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:18 PM, Ron Kaye ronkaye...@gmail.com wrote: Has anyone put a hinged gate in the stern rail so that one can clamber up the swim ladder and not have to climb over the rail? I'm thinking this might make the stern rail too weak when the gate is open. Has this been discussed? Anybody bothered by this? -- Ron Lisa 35-3 Mr. Bop ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Climing over the stern rail is a pain
Sell it and buy a 30-1. They come with a split pulpit and a gate. Gary - Original Message - From: Ron Kaye To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2014 1:18 PM Subject: Stus-List Climing over the stern rail is a pain Has anyone put a hinged gate in the stern rail so that one can clamber up the swim ladder and not have to climb over the rail? I'm thinking this might make the stern rail too weak when the gate is open. Has this been discussed? Anybody bothered by this? -- Ron Lisa 35-3 Mr. Bop -- ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Climbing over the stern rail is a pain
So does the Landfall 38. Talk to Rich about buying his. Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^( On Feb 5, 2014, at 3:25 PM, Gary Nylander gnylan...@atlanticbb.net wrote: Sell it and buy a 30-1. They come with a split pulpit and a gate. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List [SPAM]Re: Climing over the stern rail is a pain
Yes that IS encouraging. Sounds like a plan. Ron On Feb 5, 2014, at 3:55 PM, John Russo johnrussob...@optonline.net wrote: Thanks, That is encouraging! John From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Fair, Mike Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2014 3:20 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: [SPAM]Re: Stus-List Climing over the stern rail is a pain I have 1 inch rails, double except at the ladder where it is single. I sometimes keep a 85 lb outboard clamped next to it and I have a radar pole outboard to the motor with no issues. Thanks, Mike Fair From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of John Russo Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2014 2:34 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Climing over the stern rail is a pain I have a 32 with a double rail at the stern and am thinking about cutting the upper and adding a gate. My swim ladder actually comes slightly above the lower rail when up where it tie it. My concern is that I have a motor mount and a 65 Lb outboard on the stern rail port side vertical post which I will have to shift more to port but wondered about the rail strength after cutting. Any thoughts? I am also looking for a lighter outboard with a little less HP. John Arpeggio 32 Norwalk CT From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2014 1:35 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Climing over the stern rail is a pain My stern rail has a lower rail and a gate instead of an upper rail. Yes, its a pain! I wonder how much you would weaken the rail if it were split with two gates too. However, I only use the ladder when the boat is on the hard. Joel 35/3 Annapolis On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:23 PM, Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com wrote: I've seen people add lifeline gates. It involves having the pulpit modified of course (middle section removed). Yeah, it's a pain climbing over the rail. I always instruct my guests to grab a hold of the backstay to steady themselves. (split backstay) Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:18 PM, Ron Kaye ronkaye...@gmail.com wrote: Has anyone put a hinged gate in the stern rail so that one can clamber up the swim ladder and not have to climb over the rail? I'm thinking this might make the stern rail too weak when the gate is open. Has this been discussed? Anybody bothered by this? -- Ron Lisa 35-3 Mr. Bop ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List insuring a 38 landfall
Offshore/International single handed insurance is always expensive. Doing it with a boat that's over 30 years old is ridiculous. Actually, the only carrier that would insure my boat wanted about 8 percent of the boat's market value annually. At this point I only carry liability. If I wreck my boat I'm sunk. VBG Wal Frederick G Street wrote: I’m at about $800 for my LF38, with an agreed value of $50k (much more than I could get selling her…). But that’s for Great Lakes and tributaries. It’s all about location. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CC 40, et al, cruising modifications
Tankage can be over-rated. Watermakers are small, affordable and efficient these days. I've never regretted pulling the v-berth tank and converting to storage. Despite a small 32 gallon fuel tank, I've never had a problem. I do keep two jerry cans lashed amidships on each side. If I anticipate a worry, I'll lash another two down in the cockpit. I'm not on a schedule, and pick my weather windows for sailing. These days I reach my destination without touching the jerry cans, and then worry about old fuel sitting on deck under the sunbrella covers. I've also noticed that cockroaches live under the jerry cans down here, but that's another topic. Wal Seems like you have to work pretty hard to get tankage up to spec for longer distance cruising ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CC 40, et al, cruising modifications
I heard that cockroaches are good tasting little critters if prepared right...a source of much needed nourishment on the high seas when the cupboard is bare -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Wally Bryant Sent: February 5, 2014 6:30 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List CC 40, et al, cruising modifications Tankage can be over-rated. Watermakers are small, affordable and efficient these days. I've never regretted pulling the v-berth tank and converting to storage. Despite a small 32 gallon fuel tank, I've never had a problem. I do keep two jerry cans lashed amidships on each side. If I anticipate a worry, I'll lash another two down in the cockpit. I'm not on a schedule, and pick my weather windows for sailing. These days I reach my destination without touching the jerry cans, and then worry about old fuel sitting on deck under the sunbrella covers. I've also noticed that cockroaches live under the jerry cans down here, but that's another topic. Wal Seems like you have to work pretty hard to get tankage up to spec for longer distance cruising ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Stus-List genoa sock
Has anyone used a product like the ATN genoa sleeve? I am considering if I get a new genoa, not having a protective leech section put on and instead using a product like this. Plusses and minuses? I have seen comments that they create more windage in a storm, but ATN is claiming it would be protective. I have seen plenty of genoas destroyed at our club by something coming loose while at the mooring in a blow, and this seems like a way to prevent that. Dave David KnechtAries1990 CC 34+New London, CT ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Stus-List now heaving to
Very important. It seems like every boat heaves to differently, using different techniques. It's good to practice. Just heave to for lunch, or to take a break. One time I heaved to to let a guest use the head. I don't know what she was doing down there, but fifteen minutes later about 20 racers were bearing down under full chute, and one foredeck guy was waving his arms. I was in the way, but even though I was on a 'starboard tack' it just seemed stupid to mess up the race. If you heave to properly under controlled conditions you can spin the wheel/tiller over and maintain control, to let the racers go by and still be under control. (I think the boat yelled 'thanks' as they flew by.) I'll often heave to for a few minutes when under new conditions just to see how the boat handles it and to learn what modifications to the sail plan I'd have to make under those or worse conditions. Then balance the boat while heaved to under those conditions, listen to the boat, and then get back on track. On 2/5/2014 2:42 PM, Della Barba, Joe wrote: Heaving to is pretty easy to practice. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Stus-List CC 32 stern pulpit
John, FYI, My 32 came with a gate on the upper rail from the factory. Hull number 1197. Tom Anderson CC 32 Nonpareil Marblehead, MA 95 days to launch 97 days to first Wednesday Night Race From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of John Russo Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2014 2:34 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Climing over the stern rail is a pain I have a 32 with a double rail at the stern and am thinking about cutting the upper and adding a gate. My swim ladder actually comes slightly above the lower rail when up where it tie it. My concern is that I have a motor mount and a 65 Lb outboard on the stern rail port side vertical post which I will have to shift more to port but wondered about the rail strength after cutting. Any thoughts? I am also looking for a lighter outboard with a little less HP. John Arpeggio 32 Norwalk CT ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List genoa sock
I make canvas stuff and repair sails locally. I make genoa socks and put UV stripes on leech and foot. I use a sock as it seems silly to put UV stripes on a high tech sail. UV stripes are on the sail so you don’t have to think about them. Just furl and forget. They are quite heavy (Sunbrella) so in light air the sail set can be a problem. Also, this means that it takes a knot or two more before the wind can shape the sail. The sock has to be raised after you dock/anchor/moor on the spinnaker halyard. A bit more to think about and a little more labour zipping up. Windage isn’t a problem as all the slack in the sock is taken up by a lacing cord run from head to tack. My socks have a split zip, so no need to take off or run the sheets out the bottom of the sock. Cost for each is the same (I charge $350 CDN for a 26 ft boat - about usual for this lake) (I’m not looking for business) sam :-) CC 26 Liquorice Ghost Lake Alberta From: David Knecht Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2014 3:57 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Has anyone used a product like the ATN genoa sleeve? I am considering if I get a new genoa, not having a protective leech section put on and instead using a product like this. Plusses and minuses? I have seen comments that they create more windage in a storm, but ATN is claiming it would be protective. I have seen plenty of genoas destroyed at our club by something coming loose while at the mooring in a blow, and this seems like a way to prevent that. Dave David Knecht Aries 1990 CC 34+ New London, CTinline: pastedGraphic.tiff___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List genoa sock
There's one on the J-80 I race on. It works, but is a bit of a pain to put up every time you go out. It comes down in about 15 seconds but takes a couple of minutes to hoist it up. There's a zipper that runs all the way up and a bunch of little strings which help it keep its shape - they zig-zag around it - I assume to keep any part of the sleeve from billowing out. If you keep it straight then there's no problem, if it gets tangled up around itselfanother matter. It's been on there for three years and still looks pretty good. The straps with velcro on them (wrap around at the bottom) are getting worn, but that is a small matter. We have a genoa on the J-80 and race PHRF (small local fleet). It beats the hell out of taking the sail off each time and rolling it up. But, the mylar/kevlar whatever sail takes a set around the furler so it has a bit of a preset on one tack or the other. Gary - Original Message - From: David Knecht To: CnC CnC discussion list Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2014 5:57 PM Subject: Stus-List genoa sock Has anyone used a product like the ATN genoa sleeve? I am considering if I get a new genoa, not having a protective leech section put on and instead using a product like this. Plusses and minuses? I have seen comments that they create more windage in a storm, but ATN is claiming it would be protective. I have seen plenty of genoas destroyed at our club by something coming loose while at the mooring in a blow, and this seems like a way to prevent that. Dave David Knecht Aries 1990 CC 34+ New London, CT -- ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com pastedGraphic.tiff___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List genoa sock
The UV stripe on my furling Doyle 135 along the exposed leech and foot when the sail is furled is ordinary white Dacron sail cloth, similar to the cloth used to build the sail. It works fine in light air and it lasted 8 years before I had to replace it (67 feet leech + foot) this off season for under $500 Cdn, which is less than $70 per year. It is easy to use and no one can tell on the water whether the stripe is there or not. _ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of sam.c.sal...@gmail.com Sent: February 5, 2014 7:01 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List genoa sock I make canvas stuff and repair sails locally. I make genoa socks and put UV stripes on leech and foot. I use a sock as it seems silly to put UV stripes on a high tech sail. UV stripes are on the sail so you don’t have to think about them. Just furl and forget. They are quite heavy (Sunbrella) so in light air the sail set can be a problem. Also, this means that it takes a knot or two more before the wind can shape the sail. The sock has to be raised after you dock/anchor/moor on the spinnaker halyard. A bit more to think about and a little more labour zipping up. Windage isn’t a problem as all the slack in the sock is taken up by a lacing cord run from head to tack. My socks have a split zip, so no need to take off or run the sheets out the bottom of the sock. Cost for each is the same (I charge $350 CDN for a 26 ft boat - about usual for this lake) (I’m not looking for business) sam :-) CC 26 Liquorice Ghost Lake Alberta From: David Knecht mailto:davidakne...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2014 3:57 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Has anyone used a product like the ATN genoa sleeve? I am considering if I get a new genoa, not having a protective leech section put on and instead using a product like this. Plusses and minuses? I have seen comments that they create more windage in a storm, but ATN is claiming it would be protective. I have seen plenty of genoas destroyed at our club by something coming loose while at the mooring in a blow, and this seems like a way to prevent that. Dave David Knecht Aries 1990 CC 34+ New London, CT image001.jpg___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List insuring a 38 landfall
I have liability insurance with Progressive. You never know, I might hit a manatee with a camera. It's $195/year. Bob M Ox 33-1 Jax, FL I only carry liability. If I wreck my boat I'm sunk. VBG Wal ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Climing over the stern rail is a pain
Ox, a 33-1, has a single rail at the stern. The infrequent sternal ingress is made below the rail. It gets less easy with age and increasing body mass. Bob M Ox 33-1 Jax, FL On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:18 PM, Ron Kaye ronkaye...@gmail.com wrote: Has anyone put a hinged gate in the stern rail so that one can clamber up the swim ladder and not have to climb over the rail? I'm thinking this might make the stern rail too weak when the gate is open. Has this been discussed? Anybody bothered by this? -- Ron Lisa 35-3 Mr. Bop ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Climing over the stern rail is a pain
{infrequent sternal ingress}
You Floridians will do anything for a giggle.
Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
CC 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC
On 5 February 2014 18:03, bobmor99 . bobmo...@gmail.com wrote:
Ox, a 33-1, has a single rail at the stern. The infrequent sternal ingress
is made below the rail. It gets less easy with age and increasing body
mass.
Bob M
Ox 33-1
Jax, FL
On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:18 PM, Ron Kaye ronkaye...@gmail.com wrote:
Has anyone put a hinged gate in the stern rail so that one can clamber up
the swim ladder and not have to climb over the rail?
I'm thinking this might make the stern rail too weak when the gate is
open.
Has this been discussed? Anybody bothered by this?
--
Ron Lisa
35-3
Mr. Bop
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Stus-List Re- heaving to
I've never tried heaving to - hope to test it out this summer gpfor practice. Now I just need a red head. Found this video - may be helpful. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQTOfns6OjUfeature=youtube_gdata_player Mark On 5 Feb 2014 10:42, Della Barba, Joe joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov wrote: Heaving to is pretty easy to practice. Tack but don’t let the jib sheet go. On the new tack turn the wheel to windward. The rudder is trying to head you up and the backwinded jib is doing the opposite, so the boat kind of just sits there. Useful for making lunch or taking a dump if you have no autopilot. I have never tried it in really bad weather though. Joe Della Barba Coquina CC 35 MK I From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of David Knecht Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2014 9:20 AM To: CnC CnC discussion list Subject: Re: Stus-List CC 41...offshore cnc models- now heaving to Hi Andy- I have never been in a situation where I feel the need to heave to, but I feel like I want to practice it in less than extreme conditions next summer. Can you describe the details of getting into this state and staying there? What I have read sounds simple, but I doubt anything is simple in high winds and 12 foot seas and that detail devil is always lurking nearby. Thanks- Dave On Feb 5, 2014, at 9:06 AM, Andrew Burton a.burton.sai...@gmail.com wrote: I once took a Swan 651 to weather in 12 foot seas. It wasn't comfortable, either. I think you'd need a pretty big boat... Usually, if I have 12 foot seas on the nose (and I'm not racing), I'm hove to, relaxing and waiting for the wind to shift, while I have a cuppa tea under the dodger, watching the scenery roll by. Life at sea doesn't have to be an overly (physically) strenuous endeavor. Andy CC 40 Peregrine David Knecht Aries 1990 CC 34+ New London, CT ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Re- heaving to
No, you just need somebody to make French Toast. Gale? What gale? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPOL8C4FPdc Jim Watts Paradigm Shift CC 35 Mk III Victoria, BC On 5 February 2014 20:49, M Bod drbod...@accesswave.ca wrote: I've never tried heaving to - hope to test it out this summer gpfor practice. Now I just need a red head. Found this video - may be helpful. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQTOfns6OjUfeature=youtube_gdata_player Mark On 5 Feb 2014 10:42, Della Barba, Joe joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov wrote: Heaving to is pretty easy to practice. Tack but don't let the jib sheet go. On the new tack turn the wheel to windward. The rudder is trying to head you up and the backwinded jib is doing the opposite, so the boat kind of just sits there. Useful for making lunch or taking a dump if you have no autopilot. I have never tried it in really bad weather though. Joe Della Barba Coquina CC 35 MK I From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of David Knecht Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2014 9:20 AM To: CnC CnC discussion list Subject: Re: Stus-List CC 41...offshore cnc models- now heaving to Hi Andy- I have never been in a situation where I feel the need to heave to, but I feel like I want to practice it in less than extreme conditions next summer. Can you describe the details of getting into this state and staying there? What I have read sounds simple, but I doubt anything is simple in high winds and 12 foot seas and that detail devil is always lurking nearby. Thanks- Dave On Feb 5, 2014, at 9:06 AM, Andrew Burton a.burton.sai...@gmail.com wrote: I once took a Swan 651 to weather in 12 foot seas. It wasn't comfortable, either. I think you'd need a pretty big boat... Usually, if I have 12 foot seas on the nose (and I'm not racing), I'm hove to, relaxing and waiting for the wind to shift, while I have a cuppa tea under the dodger, watching the scenery roll by. Life at sea doesn't have to be an overly (physically) strenuous endeavor. Andy CC 40 Peregrine David Knecht Aries 1990 CC 34+ New London, CT ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Climing over the stern rail is a pain
I see there are good ways to ease sternal ingress. As long as the outboard is
well supported it can only improve the sailing experience.
But in all seriousness I'm surprised that ease of sternal ingress isn't
regarded as an important safety consideration for MOB scenarios. Dragging an
exhausted/chilled crew back in the boat- Isn't lifting them over the top rail a
bit of a nuisance? I'm surprised it isn't more common. Or even mandated.
Ron
On Feb 5, 2014, at 9:20 PM, Jim Watts paradigmat...@gmail.com wrote:
{infrequent sternal ingress}
You Floridians will do anything for a giggle.
Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
CC 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC
On 5 February 2014 18:03, bobmor99 . bobmo...@gmail.com wrote:
Ox, a 33-1, has a single rail at the stern. The infrequent sternal ingress
is made below the rail. It gets less easy with age and increasing body mass.
Bob M
Ox 33-1
Jax, FL
On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:18 PM, Ron Kaye ronkaye...@gmail.com wrote:
Has anyone put a hinged gate in the stern rail so that one can clamber up
the swim ladder and not have to climb over the rail?
I'm thinking this might make the stern rail too weak when the gate is open.
Has this been discussed? Anybody bothered by this?
--
Ron Lisa
35-3
Mr. Bop
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