Stus-List Throttle and shift levers

[Bradley Lumgair via CnC-List]

I reset the tension on the throttle cable before splashing this spring so the 
throttle would stay where set. Broke the plastic throttle lever on the weekend. 
So I ordered both the stainless ones from Marinepartdepot for less than half 
what Edson is asking. Hoping it's not a rip off
The shifter lever on the left side of the pedestal seems to operate in reverse 
of what would be logical, as in I pull the lever back to shift to forward, is 
this standard for a 1985 33-2? Or has someone messed with the routing of the 
linkage?
Thanks
Brad
"Pulse" 1985 C&C 33 Mk II
Lake Huron

[X][X]
I'd rather be sailing

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Re: Stus-List Throttle and shift levers

[Tim Sippel via CnC-List]

Hi Brad ,
On my 33 mKii shift lever goes forward for forward , pull back for reverse.
I have the stainless throttle lever , but not shift lever as the curve of the 
stainless lever hit the pedestal guard and  wouldn’t engage forward


Cheers




Tim
Matico C&C 33mkII

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Cc: Bradley Lumgair 
Subject: Stus-List Throttle and shift levers

I reset the tension on the throttle cable before splashing this spring so the 
throttle would stay where set. Broke the plastic throttle lever on the weekend. 
So I ordered both the stainless ones from Marinepartdepot for less than half 
what Edson is asking. Hoping it's not a rip off
The shifter lever on the left side of the pedestal seems to operate in reverse 
of what would be logical, as in I pull the lever back to shift to forward, is 
this standard for a 1985 33-2? Or has someone messed with the routing of the 
linkage?
Thanks
Brad
"Pulse" 1985 C&C 33 Mk II
Lake Huron
[X][X]
I'd rather be sailing






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Re: Stus-List Throttle and shift levers

[Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List]

Brad,

What is more likely is that somebody replaced the engine control assembly or 
the boat has been repowered.  On Edson’s model 816 engine control, the shift 
lever was located directly above the wheel shaft with a lever extending 
horizontally to port.  To engage the engine in forward, the lever would be 
pushed down which in turn pushed the cable downward inside the pedestal.  Many 
folks didn’t like this arrangement which necessitated reaching through the 
wheel to engage the transmission and it was somewhat less than intuitive.  As 
such, folks would switch out their controls to the model 870 controller, with 
throttle on starboard and shift on port (which appears is what you have on the 
boat).  The issue now is that the cable orientation still remains the same, 
with forward pushing the cable down and reverse pulling the cable up.

The most common fix for this is to unclamp the shift lever at the gearbox and 
re-orient the shift lever 180 degrees to reverse the throw of the cable at the 
engine.  There is no reversing mechanism or different hook up inside the 
pedestal to fix this, it must be done at the gear box.  You will also need to 
re-align the cable clamping at the engine so the angle of the cable relative to 
the shift lever on the gearbox is properly aligned.

I would strongly suggest making this change, especially with your new levers 
that have directional indicators on the lever.  Somebody inexperienced will 
undoubtedly push the lever the wrong way in a panic situation and it will 
result in a phone call to your insurance agent.

The engine control details can be found here:

http://www.edsonmarine.com/support/PDFs/installation/EB396EngineControlInstr.PDF

 

Good luck!

Chuck Gilchrest

S/V Half Magic

1983 LF 35

Padanaram, MA

 

 

 

 

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Sent: Monday, June   13, 2016 7:38 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Bradley Lumgair 
Subject: Stus-List Throttle and shift leversi

 

I reset the tension on the throttle cable before splashing this spring so the 
throttle would stay where set. Broke the plastic throttle lever on the weekend. 
So I ordered both the stainless ones from Marinepartdepot for less than half 
what Edson is asking. Hoping it's not a rip off

The shifter lever on the left side of the pedestal seems to operate in reverse 
of what would be logical, as in I pull the lever back to shift to forward, is 
this standard for a 1985 33-2? Or has someone messed with the routing of the 
linkage?

Thanks

Brad

"Pulse" 1985 C&C 33 Mk II

Lake Huron

 
 

I'd rather be sailing

 

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Re: Stus-List Roller Furling Line

[David via CnC-List]

Once you get the length figured out, get rid of the core for that portion that 
will be on the drum.  The cover can handle the load and it lies nice and flat 
in the drum.   No more tangles...   

David F. Risch
1981 40-2
(401) 419-4650 (cell)


Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2016 20:29:43 -0400
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Roller Furling Line
From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
CC: e...@schillay.com

Listers,
My roller furling line got ultra-tangled in the drum and I ended up having to 
drop the headsail and cut it all out. 
I bought some new line and am going to install tomorrow, weather permitting. 
So here's the question. How many feet of line should I have wrapped around the 
drum before putting the sail back on? 
I'm running with a 135% headsail, but want to have enough on there to 
accommodate a 150, if I ever make a change. 


All the best,
Edd
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Re: Stus-List Throttle and shift levers

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

I have a question related to the transmission lever: 

It seems that many people experience (or experienced) that problem – the shift 
lever hits the pedestal guard when you throw it forward. Obviously, this can 
lead to transmission not engaging fully. The question is how do you deal with 
it? There must be some group knowledge in that matter.

My simple solution was to move the lever at the transmission end (rotate the 
arm on the rod coming out of the transmission that actually change gears). Is 
this the right thing to do?

Preferably, I would like to see some air between the shift lever and the 
pedestal.

What is the common wisdom on this topic?

thanks

Marek


From: Tim Sippel via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 08:57
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Tim Sippel ; Bradley Lumgair 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Throttle and shift levers

Hi Brad ,

On my 33 mKii shift lever goes forward for forward , pull back for reverse.

I have the stainless throttle lever , but not shift lever as the curve of the 
stainless lever hit the pedestal guard and  wouldn’t engage forward 

 

 

Cheers 

 

 

 

 

Tim 

Matico C&C 33mkII

 

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Re: Stus-List Throttle and shift levers

[Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List]

Marek,

What you did is exactly the right solution: re-orient the lever at the engine.  
 Inside the pedestal, there are some long bronze clevises for the cable 
connections and sometime you can take up a small amount of distance buy 
screwing the clevis onto the end of the cable all the way (securing it with the 
locking nut), but that usually doesn’t buy you more than 6mm or so adjustment.

So your solution of loosening the shift lever clamp at the transmission and 
moving it far enough forward or aft to create sufficient clearance is the right 
way of solving the problem.  On transmissions where the output shaft is splined 
(little grooves on the end of the shaft for the clamp to grab onto), usually 
moving the lever one spline will generally get you the room you need at the 
pedestal.  

The best way  to solve this is to put the engine in forward, disconnect the 
lever at the transmission, set a ½”-1” wide piece of plastic/wood/starboard/ 
whatever between the pedestal guard and the end of the lever and hold it in 
place with a rubber band or duct tape.  Go down below and re-attach the shift 
lever to the transmission taking any slack out from the cable and tighten down 
the lever on the shift shaft.  This way your cable will ALWAYS have clearance 
going forward, but take care to not have too much space between the guard and 
the shift lever on the pedestal, otherwise the inside part of the lever will 
rub on the steering chain when it is in reverse.

It may take some fine tuning to get it perfect.

Best,

Chuck Gilchrest

S/V Half Magic

1983 LF 35

Padanaram, MA

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Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 9:21 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Marek Dziedzic 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Throttle and shift levers

 

I have a question related to the transmission lever: 

 

It seems that many people experience (or experienced) that problem – the shift 
lever hits the pedestal guard when you throw it forward. Obviously, this can 
lead to transmission not engaging fully. The question is how do you deal with 
it? There must be some group knowledge in that matter.

 

My simple solution was to move the lever at the transmission end (rotate the 
arm on the rod coming out of the transmission that actually change gears). Is 
this the right thing to do?

 

Preferably, I would like to see some air between the shift lever and the 
pedestal.

 

What is the common wisdom on this topic?

 

thanks

 

Marek

 

 

From: Tim Sippel via CnC-List   

Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 08:57

To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com   

Cc: Tim Sippel   ; Bradley Lumgair 
  

Subject: Re: Stus-List Throttle and shift levers

 

Hi Brad ,

On my 33 mKii shift lever goes forward for forward , pull back for reverse.

I have the stainless throttle lever , but not shift lever as the curve of the 
stainless lever hit the pedestal guard and  wouldn’t engage forward 

 

 

Cheers 

 

 

 

 

Tim 

Matico C&C 33mkII

 

 

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Stus-List Crack at trailing edge of lower spreader on LF38

[Robert Boyer via CnC-List]

As part of my annual haul out this year, I had a rigging survey done by my 
boatyard.  They found a crack that runs along the trailing edge of the lower 
starboard spreader.  We are looking at two options: weld repairs and new 
spreaders.  Has anyone else run into this problem?  If so, any help on where to 
find replacement spreaders would be very useful.  Thanks!

Bob

Bob Boyer
s/v Rainy Days
C&C Landfall 38 (Hull # 230)
Annapolis, MD (presently in Baltimore)
blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com
email: dainyr...@icloud.com

> On Jun 13, 2016, at 9:08 AM, David via CnC-List  wrote:
> 
> Once you get the length figured out, get rid of the core for that portion 
> that will be on the drum.  The cover can handle the load and it lies nice and 
> flat in the drum.   No more tangles...   
> 
> David F. Risch
> 1981 40-2
> (401) 419-4650 (cell)
> 
> 
> Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2016 20:29:43 -0400
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Stus-List Roller Furling Line
> From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> CC: e...@schillay.com
> 
> Listers,
> 
> My roller furling line got ultra-tangled in the drum and I ended up having to 
> drop the headsail and cut it all out. 
> 
> I bought some new line and am going to install tomorrow, weather permitting. 
> 
> So here's the question. How many feet of line should I have wrapped around 
> the drum before putting the sail back on? 
> 
> I'm running with a 135% headsail, but want to have enough on there to 
> accommodate a 150, if I ever make a change. 
> 
> 
> All the best,
> 
> Edd
> 
> ---
> Edd M. Schillay
> Starship Enterprise
> NCC-1701-B
> C&C 37+ | City Island, NY
> www.StarshipSailing.com
> ---
> 914.332.4400  | Office
> 914.774.9767  | Mobile
> ---
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Re: Stus-List Crack at trailing edge of lower spreader on LF38

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

If welding is an option, I would take it.

Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine 

Andrew Burton
61 W Narragansett
Newport, RI 
USA02840

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Re: Stus-List Throttle and shift levers

[ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List]

Remove the shift lever on the transmission, turn it 180 degrees and
reinstall it.

Alan Bergen
35 Mk III Thirsty
Rose City YC
Portland, OR
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Re: Stus-List Throttle and shift levers

[Paul Fountain via CnC-List]

Brad,

On perception I have both Edson stainless handles ... And the shifter is 
forward for forward, and back for reverse.

Someone mentioned the shifter hit the pedestal and could not engage forward, 
this needs an adjustment at the transmission to allow forward to engage .

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On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 7:39 AM -0400, "Bradley Lumgair via CnC-List" 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

I reset the tension on the throttle cable before splashing this spring so the 
throttle would stay where set. Broke the plastic throttle lever on the weekend. 
So I ordered both the stainless ones from Marinepartdepot for less than half 
what Edson is asking. Hoping it's not a rip off
The shifter lever on the left side of the pedestal seems to operate in reverse 
of what would be logical, as in I pull the lever back to shift to forward, is 
this standard for a 1985 33-2? Or has someone messed with the routing of the 
linkage?
Thanks
Brad
"Pulse" 1985 C&C 33 Mk II
Lake Huron

[X][X]
I'd rather be sailing

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Stus-List Nagging engine overheat solved

[Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List]

Hi Dennis, 

If the overheating comes back you might want to look at the exhaust mixing 
elbow. Mine seemed OK until it clogged completely and cost me a pump and 
hose too..   If your belt looked overworked that may have been a sign of a 
clog at the elbow. I had asked several folks before including a well known 
mechanic, everyone dismissed it saying things like: Your boat is fresh 
water they don't clog like that etc, etc.. 

Not so. After doing like you and going through everything else I finally 
resolved myself to wrestle the elbow out of the boat. It was completely 
clogged.  The trick to get the elbow out relatively easily is to unbolt 
the riser off the manifold and pull all as a unit.  When I bought the 
elbow I also bought the riser from Mastery, they practically gave it to me 
as the have a bunch of take-offs from installs. 


See the picture of the offending elbow vs new one here:  
https://www.flickr.com/photos/133565480@N04/20929831945/in/datetaken/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/133565480@N04/20741860288/in/datetaken/


As mentioned is was pretty much completely clogged I could not get any 
water through using a garden hose.. No wonder my pump died trying. 


-Francois Rivard
1990 34+ "Take Five"
Cumming, GA


 







On the trip from Louisiana to Pensacola few weeks ago I was seeing 
180-200F at cruise rpm. Normal is 160F. 

Water out back looked normal. Usually it's a loose or worn belt. If I can 
turn the pump pulley by hand then it's the problem. This, in fact was the 
case.  The pulley turned and I tightened the belt. Still overheated but 
not as much. 

Noticed the belt was down in the sheave.  That is, the belt was below the 
tops of the sheave and there was black residue observed. Signs that belt 
needed to be replaced. Did so. 

Also checked raw water impeller. No issue there. 

Still overheating slightly. Pulled the thermostat and replaced it with one 
that I had tested that opened at 160F.  Still overheating. 

Pulled end caps from exchanger.  Saw a couple small pieces of zinc in one 
pass. Not bad. (Search "pbase heat exchanger" to see an exchanger with a 
really bad zinc issue.)  Flushed all passes with blasts of dock water. 
Zinc pieces gone. 

Ran it 3+ hours today around Pensacola Bay and out into the Gulf,  Temp 
stayed at 160F. 

Shot gooseneck several times with IR thermometer. Agreed with temp gauge 
within 2F each time. About 162-164F. 

Sometimes ya just gotta chase all the rabbits. 

Dennis C.
Touch? 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

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Re: Stus-List Throttle and shift levers

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

Chuck,

Thanks for the information. This confirms what I was thinking about, but it is 
great to have the confirmation form someone else. I did not even think about 
the potential of rubbing against the steering chain in reverse. Obviously you 
must have seen it happen.

The most valuable, though, is your idea of putting a spacer on the pedestal 
guard for the adjustment. This would remove the need of having about 10 ft. 
long arms or running up and down the companion way ten times during the 
process. Great idea (why didn’t I think about it?).

I did that adjustment a while back, but I am still hitting the pedestal guard. 
At least the transmission goes into full gear forward (it wasn’t originally). I 
will adjust it again.

thanks

Marek
1994 C270 “Legato”
Ottawa, ON


From: Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 09:34
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Chuck Gilchrest 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Throttle and shift levers

Marek,

What you did is exactly the right solution: re-orient the lever at the engine. 
Inside the pedestal, there are some long bronze clevises for the cable 
connections and sometime you can take up a small amount of distance buy 
screwing the clevis onto the end of the cable all the way (securing it with the 
locking nut), but that usually doesn’t buy you more than 6mm or so adjustment.

So your solution of loosening the shift lever clamp at the transmission and 
moving it far enough forward or aft to create sufficient clearance is the right 
way of solving the problem. On transmissions where the output shaft is splined 
(little grooves on the end of the shaft for the clamp to grab onto), usually 
moving the lever one spline will generally get you the room you need at the 
pedestal. 

The best way to solve this is to put the engine in forward, disconnect the 
lever at the transmission, set a ½”-1” wide piece of plastic/wood/starboard/ 
whatever between the pedestal guard and the end of the lever and hold it in 
place with a rubber band or duct tape. Go down below and re-attach the shift 
lever to the transmission taking any slack out from the cable and tighten down 
the lever on the shift shaft. This way your cable will ALWAYS have clearance 
going forward, but take care to not have too much space between the guard and 
the shift lever on the pedestal, otherwise the inside part of the lever will 
rub on the steering chain when it is in reverse.

It may take some fine tuning to get it perfect.

Best,

Chuck Gilchrest

S/V Half Magic

1983 LF 35

Padanaram, MA

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Marek 
Dziedzic via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 9:21 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Marek Dziedzic 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Throttle and shift levers

 

I have a question related to the transmission lever: 

 

It seems that many people experience (or experienced) that problem – the shift 
lever hits the pedestal guard when you throw it forward. Obviously, this can 
lead to transmission not engaging fully. The question is how do you deal with 
it? There must be some group knowledge in that matter.

 

My simple solution was to move the lever at the transmission end (rotate the 
arm on the rod coming out of the transmission that actually change gears). Is 
this the right thing to do?

 

Preferably, I would like to see some air between the shift lever and the 
pedestal.

 

What is the common wisdom on this topic?

 

thanks

 

Marek

 

 

From: Tim Sippel via CnC-List 

Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 08:57

To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 

Cc: Tim Sippel ; Bradley Lumgair 

Subject: Re: Stus-List Throttle and shift levers

 

Hi Brad ,

On my 33 mKii shift lever goes forward for forward , pull back for reverse.

I have the stainless throttle lever , but not shift lever as the curve of the 
stainless lever hit the pedestal guard and  wouldn’t engage forward 

 

 

Cheers 

 

 

 

 

Tim 

Matico C&C 33mkII

 

 
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Re: Stus-List Deck Waste fitting dilemma

[Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List]

I finally was able to remove the waste deck fitting cap by drilling the holes 
for the deck fitting tool  deeper so that the tool would sit flush on the deck 
fitting with the pins completely engaged in the holes.   Using a vice grip as 
an extension on the spanner, I was able to free up the cap.

Does anyone know who was the source of the deck fittings for 1983 era Rhode 
Island built boats?  I may want to have a spare cap for this deck fill since 
when I drilled the holes deeper, there isn’t much wall thickness remaining 
where the tool goes into the cap.

The fitting and cap are chrome over bronze and the cap is nominally 2 3/8” 
diameter.

Chuck Gilchrest

S/V Half Magic

1983 LF 35

Padanaram, MA

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Sent: Monday, June 6, 2016 12:15 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Robert Boyer 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Deck Waste fitting dilemma

 

Also, a good spanner wrench (and a hammer) may do the trick...

Bob Boyer

s/v Rainy Days

C&C Landfall 38 (Hull # 230)

Annapolis, MD (presently in Baltimore)

blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com  

email: dainyr...@icloud.com  


On Jun 6, 2016, at 11:06 AM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

Chuck, I've had good luck using a couple of punches the right size to fit the 
holes and then using a large screwdriver between them to lever the plate open. 

I have found oxygenating tablets work very well to eliminate the smell from the 
tank. I would think any methane would be eliminated through the vent.

Can you follow the hose to find the deck plate? It sounds like it's time to 
replace it anyway.

Andy

C&C 40

Peregrine

 

On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 10:57 AM, Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

Suggestions needed:

I purchased the new to me C&C Landfall 35 that had been “sitting” for a number 
of years.  I’ve painstakingly gone through systems to get everything functional 
and replaced items that needed updates.  

So, after several outings on the boat, it was determined that it may be a good 
idea to pump out the holding tank to reduce a growing odor in the boat.

Well the one thing that wasn’t checked in my systems review was the waste 
fitting at the deck which our harbormaster and I have determined has corroded 
itself closed over the years of inactivity.  I’ve tried several deck keys and 
tools (also using a vise grip to serve as an extension to the tool), an 
application of liquid wrench, and finally a punch with a plastic tipped mallet 
to try and free the deck fitting.  No luck.  I just can get enough purchase on 
the tips of the tool into the holes in the deck fitting lid as they’re only 
several mm deep.  Should I drill the holes deeper?

 

My next approach is going to involve heat, but here’s where the dilemma begins- 
 Is adding heat to the deck fitting something that may ignite the build-up of 
methane inside the tank?  Can I possibly blow myself and the boat up using a 
butane torch to heat the fitting before beating it into submission?   I’ve 
generally had good luck with applying heat to free corrosion caused by 
dissimilar metals, but the fill cap and flange both appear to be chromed bronze 
and I suspect the bonding has occurred due to the corrosive nature of what’s in 
the tank.   Has anyone come up with a “super tool” that can unscrew the most 
stubborn deck fills?

I also haven’t found below deck access to the deck fitting flange, so I have no 
idea if it is through bolted to the deck with nuts below, or if it is simply 
screwed in place?

While I don’t think the tank is anywhere near full, I’d prefer not to spend the 
entire summer on a boat that smells like a dog kennel so whatever help is out 
there, I’m open to suggestions.

Chuck Gilchrest

Half Magic

1983 LF 35

Padanaram, MA

 


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Stus-List Danforth Anchor now Locker

[Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List]

Hi James, 

The 34+/36 XL's have an anchor locker built' in from the factory. I can 
take a picture of mine if you want to see how it's done on the racer / 
cruiser version of your boat. 

-Francois Rivard 
1990 34+ "Take Five" 
Lake Lanier, Georgia






Message: 1
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2016 18:37:09 -0800
From: James Bibb 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Danforth Anchor
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Starting to gain interest in this new group for mejust brought a c&c 
34/36r up to southeast Alaska. 

We do more anchoring up her on ace segments.  Anybody' modify and build 
back in an anchor locker?

Sent from my iPad

James Bibb
NorthWind Architects LLC
126 Seward St. Street
Juneau, Alaska. 99801

(907) 321-4265 cell
(907) 586-6150 ext 5 wk 



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Re: Stus-List Autopilot

[Daniel Sheer via CnC-List]

to be original.
Boats obviously relatively new for me and although an autopilot is on the
wish list, its not here yet.  If this thing doesn't work or isn't worth even
trying, then I'll immediately ripping it out.  I'd use the controller hole
immediately for something else.  Here are the pics of the pieces.  It seems
to be all there and I'm not sure where to start to test.  Not in the water
yet.

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0Bw4NOPYfe9OWeWRDSl82MG1Wa2s&usp=shar
ing


Paul Hood
'82 C&C34 Georgian Bay






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Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2016 01:45:05 +
From: G Collins 
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
Cc: Paul Hood 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Autopilot (Paul H.)
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Hi Paul

I'd test it!  Until 2 years ago my boat had an Autohelm 4000 in use, it 
was fine for holding a straight line but not so good for tacking.  I 
actually sold it on ebay for an amount that surprised me.

Check Raymarine's web site, they have (had?) old manuals on there.  And 
it looks like a good install of the drive down below.

Your 3rd picture with the Brookes and Gatehouse is not part of the 
pilot, that is the old brain of a wind instrument.

Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C&C 35-III #11

On 2016-06-12 10:06 PM, Paul Hood via CnC-List wrote:
> I have an old Autohelm 5000 autopilot...yes it appears to be original.
> Boats obviously relatively new for me and although an autopilot is on the
> wish list, its not here yet.  If this thing doesn't work or isn't worth even
> trying, then I'll immediately ripping it out.  I'd use the controller hole
> immediately for something else.  Here are the pics of the pieces.  It seems
> to be all there and I'm not sure where to start to test.  Not in the water
> yet.
>
> https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0Bw4NOPYfe9OWeWRDSl82MG1Wa2s&usp=shar
> ing
>
>
> Paul Hood
> '82 C&C34 Georgian Bay
>
>
>
>
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Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2016 02:58:43 +
From: Josh Muckley 
To: "C&C List" 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Autopilot (Paul H.)
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I agree.  Try it out and see.  If it works then you may be able to postpone
your investment in a new system.  I think the wind instrument is/was
providing input to the AP so that it could sail to the wind not just a
magnetic coarse.

It looks like the 3 knobs are for adjusting the response time.  The manual
will obviously explain.

Good luck,
Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD
On Jun 12, 2016 9:09 PM, "Paul Hood via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> I have an old Autohelm 5000 autopilot...yes it appears to be original.
> Boats obviously relatively new for me and although an autopilot is on the
> wish list, its not here yet.  If this thing doesn't work or isn't worth
> even
> trying, then I'll immediately ripping it out.  I'd use the controller hole
> immediately for something else.  Here are the pics of the pieces.  It seems
> to be all there and I'm not sure where to start to test.  Not in the water
> yet.
>
>
> https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0Bw4NOPYfe9OWeWRDSl82MG1Wa2s&usp=shar
> ing
>
>
> Paul Hood
> '82 C&C34 Georgian Bay
>
>
>
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To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
Subject: Stus-List Throttle and shift levers
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I reset the tension on the throttle cable before splashing this spring so the 
throttle would stay where set. Broke the plastic throttle lever on the weekend. 
So I ordered both the stainless ones from Marinepartdepot for less than half 
what Edson is asking. Hoping it's not a rip off
The shifter lever on the left side of the pedestal seems to operate in reverse 
of what would be logical, as in I pull the lever back to shift to forward, is 
this standard for a 1985 33-2? Or has someone mess

Re: Stus-List Deck Waste fitting dilemma

[David via CnC-List]

Chuck...I may have a spare fitting with a cap you can have.   

David F. Risch
(401) 419-4650 (cell)


To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2016 11:33:34 -0400
Subject: Re: Stus-List Deck Waste fitting dilemma
From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
CC: csgilchr...@comcast.net

I finally was able to remove the waste deck fitting cap by drilling the holes 
for the deck fitting tool  deeper so that the tool would sit flush on the deck 
fitting with the pins completely engaged in the holes.   Using a vice grip as 
an extension on the spanner, I was able to free up the cap.Does anyone know who 
was the source of the deck fittings for 1983 era Rhode Island built boats?  I 
may want to have a spare cap for this deck fill since when I drilled the holes 
deeper, there isn’t much wall thickness remaining where the tool goes into the 
cap.The fitting and cap are chrome over bronze and the cap is nominally 2 3/8” 
diameter.Chuck GilchrestS/V Half Magic1983 LF 35Padanaram, MAFrom: CnC-List 
[mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Robert Boyer via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, June 6, 2016 12:15 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Robert Boyer 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Deck Waste fitting dilemma Also, a good spanner wrench 
(and a hammer) may do the trick...

Bob Boyers/v Rainy DaysC&C Landfall 38 (Hull # 230)Annapolis, MD (presently in 
Baltimore)blog: dainyrays.blogspot.comemail: dainyr...@icloud.com
On Jun 6, 2016, at 11:06 AM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List  
wrote:Chuck, I've had good luck using a couple of punches the right size to fit 
the holes and then using a large screwdriver between them to lever the plate 
open. I have found oxygenating tablets work very well to eliminate the smell 
from the tank. I would think any methane would be eliminated through the 
vent.Can you follow the hose to find the deck plate? It sounds like it's time 
to replace it anyway.AndyC&C 40Peregrine On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 10:57 AM, Chuck 
Gilchrest via CnC-List  wrote:Suggestions needed:I 
purchased the new to me C&C Landfall 35 that had been “sitting” for a number of 
years.  I’ve painstakingly gone through systems to get everything functional 
and replaced items that needed updates.  So, after several outings on the boat, 
it was determined that it may be a good idea to pump out the holding tank to 
reduce a growing odor in the boat.Well the one thing that wasn’t checked in my 
systems review was the waste fitting at the deck which our harbormaster and I 
have determined has corroded itself closed over the years of inactivity.  I’ve 
tried several deck keys and tools (also using a vise grip to serve as an 
extension to the tool), an application of liquid wrench, and finally a punch 
with a plastic tipped mallet to try and free the deck fitting.  No luck.  I 
just can get enough purchase on the tips of the tool into the holes in the deck 
fitting lid as they’re only several mm deep.  Should I drill the holes deeper? 
My next approach is going to involve heat, but here’s where the dilemma begins- 
 Is adding heat to the deck fitting something that may ignite the build-up of 
methane inside the tank?  Can I possibly blow myself and the boat up using a 
butane torch to heat the fitting before beating it into submission?   I’ve 
generally had good luck with applying heat to free corrosion caused by 
dissimilar metals, but the fill cap and flange both appear to be chromed bronze 
and I suspect the bonding has occurred due to the corrosive nature of what’s in 
the tank.   Has anyone come up with a “super tool” that can unscrew the most 
stubborn deck fills?I also haven’t found below deck access to the deck fitting 
flange, so I have no idea if it is through bolted to the deck with nuts below, 
or if it is simply screwed in place?While I don’t think the tank is anywhere 
near full, I’d prefer not to spend the entire summer on a boat that smells like 
a dog kennel so whatever help is out there, I’m open to suggestions.Chuck 
GilchrestHalf Magic1983 LF 35Padanaram, MA 
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Re: Stus-List Nagging engine overheat solved

[Jerome Tauber via CnC-List]

Just replaced mine with stainless elbow.  $120 on EBay.   Jerry

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 13, 2016, at 10:49 AM, Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Dennis, 
> 
> If the overheating comes back you might want to look at the exhaust mixing 
> elbow. Mine seemed OK until it clogged completely and cost me a pump and hose 
> too..   If your belt looked overworked that may have been a sign of a clog at 
> the elbow. I had asked several folks before including a well known mechanic, 
> everyone dismissed it saying things like: Your boat is fresh water they don't 
> clog like that etc, etc.. 
> 
> Not so. After doing like you and going through everything else I finally 
> resolved myself to wrestle the elbow out of the boat. It was completely 
> clogged.  The trick to get the elbow out relatively easily is to unbolt the 
> riser off the manifold and pull all as a unit.  When I bought the elbow I 
> also bought the riser from Mastery, they practically gave it to me as the 
> have a bunch of take-offs from installs. 
> 
> 
> See the picture of the offending elbow vs new one here:  
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/133565480@N04/20929831945/in/datetaken/
> 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/133565480@N04/20741860288/in/datetaken/
> 
> 
> As mentioned is was pretty much completely clogged I could not get any water 
> through using a garden hose.. No wonder my pump died trying. 
> 
> 
> -Francois Rivard
> 1990 34+ "Take Five"
> Cumming, GA
> 
> 
>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On the trip from Louisiana to Pensacola few weeks ago I was seeing 180-200F 
> at cruise rpm. Normal is 160F.  
> 
> Water out back looked normal. Usually it's a loose or worn belt. If I can 
> turn the pump pulley by hand then it's the problem. This, in fact was the 
> case.  The pulley turned and I tightened the belt. Still overheated but not 
> as much. 
> 
> Noticed the belt was down in the sheave.  That is, the belt was below the 
> tops of the sheave and there was black residue observed. Signs that belt 
> needed to be replaced. Did so. 
> 
> Also checked raw water impeller. No issue there. 
> 
> Still overheating slightly. Pulled the thermostat and replaced it with one 
> that I had tested that opened at 160F.  Still overheating. 
> 
> Pulled end caps from exchanger.  Saw a couple small pieces of zinc in one 
> pass. Not bad. (Search "pbase heat exchanger" to see an exchanger with a 
> really bad zinc issue.)  Flushed all passes with blasts of dock water.  Zinc 
> pieces gone. 
> 
> Ran it 3+ hours today around Pensacola Bay and out into the Gulf,  Temp 
> stayed at 160F.  
> 
> Shot gooseneck several times with IR thermometer. Agreed with temp gauge 
> within 2F each time. About 162-164F. 
> 
> Sometimes ya just gotta chase all the rabbits. 
> 
> Dennis C.
> Touch? 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
> 
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Stus-List Light Bulbs

[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

Hi guys,

I need to replace some lightbulbs in the old dome lights.  The bulb has 
a marking of 12v15CP.  I'm not really able to make a good ID from that.


I'm also thinking of going with LED replacements.  Can you guys help me 
id and maybe a good resource for LED replacements.


Thanks,
Danny


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Stus-List Time for new shore power cord?

[Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List]

Hi  Y'all

A couple months ago I was reading about old shore power cords and their 
resistance and how that can cause serious problems..  It turned out mine 
looked like what Don Casey warns you about.. 
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1687/26304650791_2c79e2dd60_b.jpg

I'm glad I happened to read the article in Sail! 

Using some West reward certificates / taking advantage of an early spring 
sale (That was back in march) I was able to get some inexpensive insurance 
/ peace of mind. 

The EEL model was reasonable in price and the new design plug with 
integrated led light are nice to use. 

You might want to take a good look at yours. 


-Francois Rivard
1990 34+ "Take Five"
Lake Lanier, GA

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Re: Stus-List Light Bulbs

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

https://www.superbrightleds.com/cat/bayonet-bulbs/
See anything that looks familiar?
Joe
Coquina

-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Danny 
Haughey via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 11:52 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Danny Haughey
Subject: Stus-List Light Bulbs

Hi guys,

I need to replace some lightbulbs in the old dome lights.  The bulb has a 
marking of 12v15CP.  I'm not really able to make a good ID from that.

I'm also thinking of going with LED replacements.  Can you guys help me id and 
maybe a good resource for LED replacements.

Thanks,
Danny


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Re: Stus-List Time for new shore power cord?

[Edd Schillay via CnC-List]

I’m probably going to replace mine — but not the cord itself. I’ve heard a lot 
of good things about SmartPlug connections and will probably just upgrade mine 
to that. 

http://www.defender.com/product3.jsp?path=-1%7C328%7C2290035%7C2290039&id=1723147
 

All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY 
Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 






> On Jun 13, 2016, at 11:56 AM, Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi  Y'all
> 
> A couple months ago I was reading about old shore power cords and their 
> resistance and how that can cause serious problems..  It turned out mine 
> looked like what Don Casey warns you about.. 
> https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1687/26304650791_2c79e2dd60_b.jpg 
> 
> 
> I'm glad I happened to read the article in Sail! 
> 
> Using some West reward certificates / taking advantage of an early spring 
> sale (That was back in march) I was able to get some inexpensive insurance / 
> peace of mind. 
> 
> The EEL model was reasonable in price and the new design plug with integrated 
> led light are nice to use.   
> 
> You might want to take a good look at yours. 
> 
> 
> -Francois Rivard
> 1990 34+ "Take Five"
> Lake Lanier, GA
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Re: Stus-List Light Bulbs

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

Danny — something like this may work, if your dome lights have a bayonet-style 
base.  I’ve purchased a couple of these and love them.

https://store.marinebeam.com/23-led-constellation-matrix-for-dome-lights-un-dome-23-ww/

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI

> On Jun 13, 2016, at 10:51 AM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi guys,
> 
> I need to replace some lightbulbs in the old dome lights.  The bulb has a 
> marking of 12v15CP.  I'm not really able to make a good ID from that.
> 
> I'm also thinking of going with LED replacements.  Can you guys help me id 
> and maybe a good resource for LED replacements.
> 
> Thanks,
> Danny

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Re: Stus-List Crack at trailing edge of lower spreader on LF38

[Robert Boyer via CnC-List]

I'm am leaning toward weld repairs too because of less lead time.  Any other 
advantages of weld repair vs replacement.

I would also like to do this job without removing the mast.  I would think that 
one spreader could be replaced at a time while using two halyards to support 
the mast in addition to the shrouds on the opposite side.  Any experience doing 
this?

Bob

Bob Boyer
S/V Rainy Days (1983 C&C Landfall 38 - Hull #230)
Blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com
Email: dainyr...@icloud.com
Annapolis, MD (presently in Baltimore)

> On Jun 13, 2016, at 10:09 AM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> If welding is an option, I would take it.
> 
> Andy
> C&C 40
> Peregrine 
> 
> Andrew Burton
> 61 W Narragansett
> Newport, RI 
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> 
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Re: Stus-List Crack at trailing edge of lower spreader on LF38

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

I had the two port side spreaders on our J27 show small cracks on trailing 
edge.  This was a result of leaving them attached to mast in the winter with 
the mast down (lesson learned).  We took them to a local welder who does 
aluminum welding and he fixed them.  Cost was reasonable and the repair looked 
very good.  Was much cheaper than obtaining replacements at over $200 each from 
Hall spars.

Mike
Halifax

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To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
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Subject: Re: Stus-List Crack at trailing edge of lower spreader on LF38

I'm am leaning toward weld repairs too because of less lead time.  Any other 
advantages of weld repair vs replacement.

I would also like to do this job without removing the mast.  I would think that 
one spreader could be replaced at a time while using two halyards to support 
the mast in addition to the shrouds on the opposite side.  Any experience doing 
this?

Bob

Bob Boyer
S/V Rainy Days (1983 C&C Landfall 38 - Hull #230)
Blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com
Email: dainyr...@icloud.com
Annapolis, MD (presently in Baltimore)

On Jun 13, 2016, at 10:09 AM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
If welding is an option, I would take it.

Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine

Andrew Burton
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Newport, RI
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Re: Stus-List Autopilot

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ID: <012501d1c50f$cdb9eb30$692dc190$@rogers.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="us-ascii"
> 
> I have an old Autohelm 5000 autopilot...yes it appears to be original.
> Boats obviously relatively new for me and although an autopilot is on the
> wish list, its not here yet.  If this thing doesn't work or isn't worth even
> trying, then I'll immediately ripping it out.  I'd use the controller hole
> immediately for something else.  Here are the pics of the pieces.  It seems
> to be all there and I'm not sure where to start to test.  Not in the water
> yet.
> 
> https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0Bw4NOPYfe9OWeWRDSl82MG1Wa2s&usp=shar
> ing
> 
> 
> Paul Hood
> '82 C&C34 Georgian Bay
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --
> 
> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2016 01:45:05 +
> From: G Collins 
> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
> Cc: Paul Hood 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Autopilot (Paul H.)
> Message-ID:
>
> 
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252"
> 
> Hi Paul
> 
> I'd test it!  Until 2 years ago my boat had an Autohelm 4000 in use, it 
> was fine for holding a straight line but not so good for tacking.  I 
> actually sold it on ebay for an amount that surprised me.
> 
> Check Raymarine's web site, they have (had?) old manuals on there.  And 
> it looks like a good install of the drive down below.
> 
> Your 3rd picture with the Brookes and Gatehouse is not part of the 
> pilot, that is the old brain of a wind instrument.
> 
> Graham Collins
> Secret Plans
> C&C 35-III #11
> 
>> On 2016-06-12 10:06 PM, Paul Hood via CnC-List wrote:
>> I have an old Autohelm 5000 autopilot...yes it appears to be original.
>> Boats obviously relatively new for me and although an autopilot is on the
>> wish list, its not here yet.  If this thing doesn't work or isn't worth even
>> trying, then I'll immediately ripping it out.  I'd use the controller hole
>> immediately for something else.  Here are the pics of the pieces.  It seems
>> to be all there and I'm not sure where to start to test.  Not in the water
>> yet.
>> 
>> https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0Bw4NOPYfe9OWeWRDSl82MG1Wa2s&usp=shar
>> ing
>> 
>> 
>> Paul Hood
>> '82 C&C34 Georgian Bay
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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>> .
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2016 02:58:43 +
> From: Josh Muckley 
> To: "C&C List" 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Autopilot (Paul H.)
> Message-ID:
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> I agree.  Try it out and see.  If it works then you may be able to postpone
> your investment in a new system.  I think the wind instrument is/was
> providing input to the AP so that it could sail to the wind not just a
> magnetic coarse.
> 
> It looks like the 3 knobs are for adjusting the response time.  The manual
> will obviously explain.
> 
> Good luck,
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C&C 37+
> Solomons, MD
> On Jun 12, 2016 9:09 PM, "Paul Hood via CnC-List" 
> wrote:
> 
>> I have an old Autohelm 5000 autopilot...yes it appears to be original.
>> Boats obviously relatively new for me and although an autopilot is on the
>> wish list, its not here yet.  If this thing doesn't work or isn't worth
>> even
>> trying, then I'll immediately ripping it out.  I'd use the controller hole
>> immediately for something else.  Here are the pics of the pieces.  It seems
>> to be all there and I'm not sure where to start to test.  Not in the water
>> yet.
>> 
>> 
>> https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0Bw4NOPYfe9OWeWRDSl82MG1Wa2s&usp=shar
>> ing
>> 
>> 
>> Paul Hood
>> '82 C&C34 Georgian Bay
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: Stus-List Time for new shore power cord?

[ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List]

I switched to a Smart Plug, a few years ago.  The inlet on my boat had
burned contacts, and I chose the Smart Plug for several reasons.  The
contacts are larger, so they can carry more current.  The retrofit was
easy.  I didn't have to struggle with a "screw on" ring to lock the plug in
place.

Alan Bergen
35 Mk III Thirsty
Rose City YC
Portland, OR
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Re: Stus-List Autopilot

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

The digest mode is making this hard to follow, but if it is what I think it is, 
modern wheel drives currently sold by Raymarine and all the old versions of 
AH3000 and AH4000 drives all will work just fine with modern or old control 
units. It is just a DC motor in there with two wires that can turn one way or 
the other way. I keep fixing my 28 year old AH400 and it keeps steering the 
boat. It does great under power or beam reach to close hauled. Downwind with 
any waves over about 2 feet it is all over the place.
Joe
Coquina
C&C 35 MK I

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Re: Stus-List Danforth Anchor now Locker

[James Bibb via CnC-List]

Jean-Francois!   Thank you.  Yes a photo would be fine and if you have time, 
how does it drain and to where and a photo of the deck.  I may simply be 
placing a deck plate as I have no current plans to make place for a windlass.  
I have the current anchor stored in a plastic tub and hauling that back and 
forth to keep the foredeck clear is a current dilemma.  Also...would like to 
have that anchor ready to deploy instead of the thought of having to go below 
and wrestle the whole kit while in duress.  The cockpit on the 34R has no 
lazarette storage space for a stern deployment so...trying to carve out a 
storage solution that goes in-line with C&C practice.  

I also would like to hear from those few with the Racing series that sees 
weight permanently that far forward an issue. 

Thanks and I am in absolute bliss with this C&C 34/36R.  Very proud.  

Sent from my iPad

James Bibb
NorthWind Architects LLC
126 Seward St. Street
Juneau, Alaska. 99801

(907) 321-4265 cell
(907) 586-6150 ext 5 wk 

> On Jun 13, 2016, at 7:41 AM, Jean-Francois J Rivard  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi James, 
> 
> The 34+/36 XL's have an anchor locker built' in from the factory. I can take 
> a picture of mine if you want to see how it's done on the racer / cruiser 
> version of your boat.  
> 
> -Francois Rivard 
> 1990 34+ "Take Five" 
> Lake Lanier, Georgia
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2016 18:37:09 -0800
> From: James Bibb 
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Danforth Anchor
> Message-ID: <3ea763d1-8442-4e09-9c3d-0923d2d2d...@me.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> 
> Starting to gain interest in this new group for mejust brought a c&c 
> 34/36r up to southeast Alaska.  
> 
> We do more anchoring up her on ace segments.  Anybody' modify and build back 
> in an anchor locker?
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> James Bibb
> NorthWind Architects LLC
> 126 Seward St. Street
> Juneau, Alaska. 99801
> 
> (907) 321-4265 cell
> (907) 586-6150 ext 5 wk 
> 
> 
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Re: Stus-List Light Bulbs

[Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List]

I have similar ones to Fred's from MarineBeam, but with the White/Red
(night) option. Really excellent light quality on both sides. Love them!
https://store.marinebeam.com/red-white-switchable-led-for-dome-lights-un-dome-15-rww/

KD
30-2

On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 9:27 AM Frederick G Street via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Danny — something like this may work, if your dome lights have a
> bayonet-style base.  I’ve purchased a couple of these and love them.
>
>
> https://store.marinebeam.com/23-led-constellation-matrix-for-dome-lights-un-dome-23-ww/
>
> — Fred
>
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI
>
> On Jun 13, 2016, at 10:51 AM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Hi guys,
>
> I need to replace some lightbulbs in the old dome lights.  The bulb has a
> marking of 12v15CP.  I'm not really able to make a good ID from that.
>
> I'm also thinking of going with LED replacements.  Can you guys help me id
> and maybe a good resource for LED replacements.
>
> Thanks,
> Danny
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Deck Waste fitting dilemma

[Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List]

David,

Thank you sir!  I'll be in touch by phone soon.   No Bermuda plans for
Corsair this year?

Best,

Chuck Gilchrest

S/V Half Magic

1983 LF 35

Padanaram, MA

 

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CnC-List
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 11:46 AM
To: CNC CNC 
Cc: David 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Deck Waste fitting dilemma

 

Chuck...I may have a spare fitting with a cap you can have.   

David F. Risch
(401) 419-4650 (cell)



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To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com  
Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2016 11:33:34 -0400
Subject: Re: Stus-List Deck Waste fitting dilemma
From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com  
CC: csgilchr...@comcast.net  

I finally was able to remove the waste deck fitting cap by drilling the
holes for the deck fitting tool  deeper so that the tool would sit flush on
the deck fitting with the pins completely engaged in the holes.   Using a
vice grip as an extension on the spanner, I was able to free up the cap.

Does anyone know who was the source of the deck fittings for 1983 era Rhode
Island built boats?  I may want to have a spare cap for this deck fill since
when I drilled the holes deeper, there isn't much wall thickness remaining
where the tool goes into the cap.

The fitting and cap are chrome over bronze and the cap is nominally 2 3/8"
diameter.

Chuck Gilchrest

S/V Half Magic

1983 LF 35

Padanaram, MA

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Boyer via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, June 6, 2016 12:15 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com  
Cc: Robert Boyer mailto:dainyr...@icloud.com> >
Subject: Re: Stus-List Deck Waste fitting dilemma

 

Also, a good spanner wrench (and a hammer) may do the trick...

Bob Boyer

s/v Rainy Days

C&C Landfall 38 (Hull # 230)

Annapolis, MD (presently in Baltimore)

blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com  

email: dainyr...@icloud.com  


On Jun 6, 2016, at 11:06 AM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

Chuck, I've had good luck using a couple of punches the right size to fit
the holes and then using a large screwdriver between them to lever the plate
open. 

I have found oxygenating tablets work very well to eliminate the smell from
the tank. I would think any methane would be eliminated through the vent.

Can you follow the hose to find the deck plate? It sounds like it's time to
replace it anyway.

Andy

C&C 40

Peregrine

 

On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 10:57 AM, Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

Suggestions needed:

I purchased the new to me C&C Landfall 35 that had been "sitting" for a
number of years.  I've painstakingly gone through systems to get everything
functional and replaced items that needed updates.  

So, after several outings on the boat, it was determined that it may be a
good idea to pump out the holding tank to reduce a growing odor in the boat.

Well the one thing that wasn't checked in my systems review was the waste
fitting at the deck which our harbormaster and I have determined has
corroded itself closed over the years of inactivity.  I've tried several
deck keys and tools (also using a vise grip to serve as an extension to the
tool), an application of liquid wrench, and finally a punch with a plastic
tipped mallet to try and free the deck fitting.  No luck.  I just can get
enough purchase on the tips of the tool into the holes in the deck fitting
lid as they're only several mm deep.  Should I drill the holes deeper?

 

My next approach is going to involve heat, but here's where the dilemma
begins-  Is adding heat to the deck fitting something that may ignite the
build-up of methane inside the tank?  Can I possibly blow myself and the
boat up using a butane torch to heat the fitting before beating it into
submission?   I've generally had good luck with applying heat to free
corrosion caused by dissimilar metals, but the fill cap and flange both
appear to be chromed bronze and I suspect the bonding has occurred due to
the corrosive nature of what's in the tank.   Has anyone come up with a
"super tool" that can unscrew the most stubborn deck fills?

I also haven't found below deck access to the deck fitting flange, so I have
no idea if it is through bolted to the deck with nuts below, or if it is
simply screwed in place?

While I don't think the tank is anywhere near full, I'd prefer not to spend
the entire summer on a boat that smells like a dog kennel so whatever help
is out there, I'm open to suggestions.

Chuck Gilchrest

Half Magic

1983 LF 35

Padanaram, MA

 


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Re: Stus-List Autopilot

[David via CnC-List]

III
> > SOUTHPORT CT
> > 
> >> On Jun 12, 2016, at 07:01, Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
> >> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:
> >> 
> >> plus the foot length (24')
> > 
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> > Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2016 21:06:22 -0400
> > From: "Paul Hood" 
> > To: 
> > Subject: Stus-List Autopilot (Paul H.)
> > Message-ID: <012501d1c50f$cdb9eb30$692dc190$@rogers.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain;charset="us-ascii"
> > 
> > I have an old Autohelm 5000 autopilot...yes it appears to be original.
> > Boats obviously relatively new for me and although an autopilot is on the
> > wish list, its not here yet.  If this thing doesn't work or isn't worth even
> > trying, then I'll immediately ripping it out.  I'd use the controller hole
> > immediately for something else.  Here are the pics of the pieces.  It seems
> > to be all there and I'm not sure where to start to test.  Not in the water
> > yet.
> > 
> > https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0Bw4NOPYfe9OWeWRDSl82MG1Wa2s&usp=shar
> > ing
> > 
> > 
> > Paul Hood
> > '82 C&C34 Georgian Bay
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --
> > 
> > Message: 3
> > Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2016 01:45:05 +
> > From: G Collins 
> > To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
> > Cc: Paul Hood 
> > Subject: Re: Stus-List Autopilot (Paul H.)
> > Message-ID:
> >
> > 
> >
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252"
> > 
> > Hi Paul
> > 
> > I'd test it!  Until 2 years ago my boat had an Autohelm 4000 in use, it 
> > was fine for holding a straight line but not so good for tacking.  I 
> > actually sold it on ebay for an amount that surprised me.
> > 
> > Check Raymarine's web site, they have (had?) old manuals on there.  And 
> > it looks like a good install of the drive down below.
> > 
> > Your 3rd picture with the Brookes and Gatehouse is not part of the 
> > pilot, that is the old brain of a wind instrument.
> > 
> > Graham Collins
> > Secret Plans
> > C&C 35-III #11
> > 
> >> On 2016-06-12 10:06 PM, Paul Hood via CnC-List wrote:
> >> I have an old Autohelm 5000 autopilot...yes it appears to be original.
> >> Boats obviously relatively new for me and although an autopilot is on the
> >> wish list, its not here yet.  If this thing doesn't work or isn't worth 
> >> even
> >> trying, then I'll immediately ripping it out.  I'd use the controller hole
> >> immediately for something else.  Here are the pics of the pieces.  It seems
> >> to be all there and I'm not sure where to start to test.  Not in the water
> >> yet.
> >> 
> >> https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0Bw4NOPYfe9OWeWRDSl82MG1Wa2s&usp=shar
> >> ing
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Paul Hood
> >> '82 C&C34 Georgian Bay
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
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> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --
> > 
> > Message: 4
> > Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2016 02:58:43 +
> > From: Josh Muckley 
> > To: "C&C List" 
> > Subject: Re: Stus-List Autopilot (Paul H.)
> > Message-ID:
> >
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> > 
> > I agree.  Try it out and see.  If it works then you may be able to postpone
> > your investment in a new system.  I think the wind instrument is/was
> > providing input to the AP so that it could sail to the wind not just a
> > magnetic coarse.
&

Re: Stus-List Crack at trailing edge of lower spreader on LF38

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

My buddy and I replace shrouds and stays all the time with a boat's mast
up.  We block the mast with a halyard and do the work.  In fact, we
replaced both spreaders on a rig a couple years ago.  Granted the boat had
fore and aft lower shrouds that supported the rig while I worked aloft.

When replacing a furler, we may leave the mast blocked with a halyard for a
day or two while we make up a new fore stay.  Keep in mind, I'm the guy
aloft.  I'm only nervous when replacing shrouds on a deck stepped mast.
For our keel stepped rigs, I'd be OK being aloft or leaving the rig a day
or two blocked with a halyard or halyards.

Dennis C.

On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Robert Boyer via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I'm am leaning toward weld repairs too because of less lead time.  Any
> other advantages of weld repair vs replacement.
>
> I would also like to do this job without removing the mast.  I would think
> that one spreader could be replaced at a time while using two halyards to
> support the mast in addition to the shrouds on the opposite side.  Any
> experience doing this?
>
> Bob
>
> Bob Boyer
> S/V Rainy Days (1983 C&C Landfall 38 - Hull #230)
> Blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com
> Email: dainyr...@icloud.com
> Annapolis, MD (presently in Baltimore)
>
> On Jun 13, 2016, at 10:09 AM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> If welding is an option, I would take it.
>
> Andy
> C&C 40
> Peregrine
>
> Andrew Burton
> 61 W Narragansett
> Newport, RI
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>
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Stus-List Smelly Water Tank

[RANDY via CnC-List]

Listers- 

My 30-1 has developed a bad odor in the water tank under the starboard settee 
(the tank that supplies the galley sink). 

Any tips on how to get rid of it? I'm tempted to pour some bleach in the tank 
but wanted to check with you all first to see if there is any risk of damaging 
the material from which the tank is made (fiberglass, I think - the tank seems 
to be a molded part of the settee). 

Note I don't drink that water or even use it for cooking. I mainly use it for 
cleaning. 

Thanks in advance. 

Cheers, 
Randy Stafford 
S/V Grenadine 
C&C 30-1 #7 
Ken Caryl, CO 
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Re: Stus-List Smelly Water Tank

[Edd Schillay via CnC-List]

Randy,

Bleach should not harm your system at all. I would suggest using a lot and 
flush the system a few times to make sure all the hoses and fittings are clean. 
You can then flush it with fresh water and make things drinkable (in case you 
get thirsty from cleaning)

All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
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> On Jun 13, 2016, at 2:17 PM, RANDY via CnC-List  wrote:
> 
> Listers-
> 
> My 30-1 has developed a bad odor in the water tank under the starboard settee 
> (the tank that supplies the galley sink).
> 
> Any tips on how to get rid of it?  I'm tempted to pour some bleach in the 
> tank but wanted to check with you all first to see if there is any risk of 
> damaging the material from which the tank is made (fiberglass, I think - the 
> tank seems to be a molded part of the settee).
> 
> Note I don't drink that water or even use it for cooking.  I mainly use it 
> for cleaning.
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> Cheers,
> Randy Stafford
> S/V Grenadine
> C&C 30-1 #7
> Ken Caryl, CO
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Re: Stus-List Smelly Water Tank

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Every time I fill up I add a tbsp of regular unscented bleach to the
tanks.  There is a proper ratio as recommended by the CDC but I can recall
exactly.  I know that I could go as high as 2 tbsp in my tanks (~20 gal) to
sanitize but the bleach smell is strong.  I also worry about ruining the
rubber components in my water system so I typically stick to just 1 tbsp.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD
On Jun 13, 2016 2:18 PM, "RANDY via CnC-List"  wrote:

> Listers-
>
> My 30-1 has developed a bad odor in the water tank under the starboard
> settee (the tank that supplies the galley sink).
>
> Any tips on how to get rid of it?  I'm tempted to pour some bleach in the
> tank but wanted to check with you all first to see if there is any risk of
> damaging the material from which the tank is made (fiberglass, I think -
> the tank seems to be a molded part of the settee).
>
> Note I don't drink that water or even use it for cooking.  I mainly use it
> for cleaning.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Cheers,
> Randy Stafford
> S/V Grenadine
> C&C 30-1 #7
> Ken Caryl, CO
>
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Re: Stus-List CnC-List Digest, Vol 125, Issue 79

[paul.hood via CnC-List]

Sounds like it's a keeper for now. Is there a way to test this AP on shore.  
Mast is down. 
Thanks,Paul Hood416.799.5549 c
Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2016 16:56:37 +
From: "Della Barba, Joe" 
Subject: Re autopilot

The digest mode is making this hard to follow, but if it is what I think it is, 
modern wheel drives currently sold by Raymarine and all the old versions of 
AH3000 and AH4000 drives all will work just fine with modern or old control 
units. It is just a DC motor in there with two wires that can turn one way or 
the other way. I keep fixing my 28 year old AH400 and it keeps steering the 
boat. It does great under power or beam reach to close hauled. Downwind with 
any waves over about 2 feet it is all over the place.
Joe
Coquina
C&C 35 MK 
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Re: Stus-List Smelly Water Tank

[Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List]

Randy,

I’ve had good luck with Aqua Fresh both in my old 25 Mk 1 and for my “new” 
Landfall 35 which sat on the hard for nearly 7 years between owners.

http://store.sudburyboatcare.com/aqua-fresh/

Add it after you’ve flushed all the antifreeze/water mix from the winter and 
add a packet then run a tank through the system.

Chuck Gilchrest

S/V Half Magic

1983 LF 35

Padanaram, MA

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of RANDY via 
CnC-List
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 2:18 PM
To: cnc-list 
Cc: RANDY 
Subject: Stus-List Smelly Water Tank

 

Listers-

 

My 30-1 has developed a bad odor in the water tank under the starboard settee 
(the tank that supplies the galley sink).

 

Any tips on how to get rid of it?  I'm tempted to pour some bleach in the tank 
but wanted to check with you all first to see if there is any risk of damaging 
the material from which the tank is made (fiberglass, I think - the tank seems 
to be a molded part of the settee).

 

Note I don't drink that water or even use it for cooking.  I mainly use it for 
cleaning.

 

Thanks in advance.

 

Cheers,

Randy Stafford

S/V Grenadine

C&C 30-1 #7

Ken Caryl, CO

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Re: Stus-List Smelly Water Tank

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Shock it with bleach; empty; add baking soda and fill then pour in a half
bottle of lemon juice.  Shake well (go sailing).  Empty and fill a couple
times.  Refill and add a bit of bleach.

Make sure you flush the lines.  Quite often the smell is bacteria right at
the faucet (sulfur rotten egg smell).

Dennis C.

On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 1:25 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Every time I fill up I add a tbsp of regular unscented bleach to the
> tanks.  There is a proper ratio as recommended by the CDC but I can recall
> exactly.  I know that I could go as high as 2 tbsp in my tanks (~20 gal) to
> sanitize but the bleach smell is strong.  I also worry about ruining the
> rubber components in my water system so I typically stick to just 1 tbsp.
>
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C&C 37+
> Solomons, MD
> On Jun 13, 2016 2:18 PM, "RANDY via CnC-List" 
> wrote:
>
>> Listers-
>>
>> My 30-1 has developed a bad odor in the water tank under the starboard
>> settee (the tank that supplies the galley sink).
>>
>> Any tips on how to get rid of it?  I'm tempted to pour some bleach in the
>> tank but wanted to check with you all first to see if there is any risk of
>> damaging the material from which the tank is made (fiberglass, I think -
>> the tank seems to be a molded part of the settee).
>>
>> Note I don't drink that water or even use it for cooking.  I mainly use
>> it for cleaning.
>>
>> Thanks in advance.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Randy Stafford
>> S/V Grenadine
>> C&C 30-1 #7
>> Ken Caryl, CO
>>
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Re: Stus-List Smelly Water Tank

[Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List]

When cleaning our tanks, which we do about two (2) times per year (yr round
boating in PNW) we:

   - Add 1 tbl spoon unscented bleach : to 1 gallon tank capacity
   - Leave in tanks 3 - 24hrs (best if this is done while sailing)
   - Remove aerators/ screens from sinks and drain tanks of bleach mixture
   - Fresh fill all the way, then drain this as well
   - Fill up as normal (we can smell a very slight bleach smell on this
   tank, but very very slight)

We drink and cook from our tanks no problem. We also use a  screw on type
RV filter, before we bring any water aboard. We do this somewhat often so
you may need to repeat the procedure a few times before it's taken care of.
I agree with previous comment, don't kill the fittings with strong bleach.

KD

On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 11:26 AM Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Every time I fill up I add a tbsp of regular unscented bleach to the
> tanks.  There is a proper ratio as recommended by the CDC but I can recall
> exactly.  I know that I could go as high as 2 tbsp in my tanks (~20 gal) to
> sanitize but the bleach smell is strong.  I also worry about ruining the
> rubber components in my water system so I typically stick to just 1 tbsp.
>
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C&C 37+
> Solomons, MD
> On Jun 13, 2016 2:18 PM, "RANDY via CnC-List" 
> wrote:
>
>> Listers-
>>
>> My 30-1 has developed a bad odor in the water tank under the starboard
>> settee (the tank that supplies the galley sink).
>>
>> Any tips on how to get rid of it?  I'm tempted to pour some bleach in the
>> tank but wanted to check with you all first to see if there is any risk of
>> damaging the material from which the tank is made (fiberglass, I think -
>> the tank seems to be a molded part of the settee).
>>
>> Note I don't drink that water or even use it for cooking.  I mainly use
>> it for cleaning.
>>
>> Thanks in advance.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Randy Stafford
>> S/V Grenadine
>> C&C 30-1 #7
>> Ken Caryl, CO
>>
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Re: Stus-List Smelly Water Tank

[Michael Brown via CnC-List]

The pull out platform the settee cushions sit on can be lifted off. Under that 
is an access
plate that screws off. I usually in the spring use a clean microfiber cloth and 
wipe down
the tank with clean water and a little bit of bleach.

There are various chemicals you can add ( Sudbury Aqua Fresh and such ) that 
work well.

I routinely add a small amount of bleach, maybe a tablespoon per 5 gallons, 
when refilling
the tank.

Michael Brown
Windburn
C&C 30-1


Listers-  
 
My 30-1 has developed a bad odor in the water tank under the starboard settee 
(the tank that supplies the galley sink).  
 
Any tips on how to get rid of it? I'm tempted to pour some bleach in the tank 
but wanted to check with you all first to see if there is any risk of damaging 
the material from which the tank is made (fiberglass, I think - the tank seems 
to be a molded part of the settee).  
 
Note I don't drink that water or even use it for cooking. I mainly use it for 
cleaning.  
 
Thanks in advance.  
 
Cheers,  
Randy Stafford  
S/V Grenadine  
C&C 30-1 #7  
Ken Caryl, CO  
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Re: Stus-List Smelly Water Tank

[Donald Sebastian via CnC-List]

I am in the same boat with trying to clean my tanks.   I don’t think they have 
been used in about 10+ years and were filled with winterizer solution for 
probably the whole time.

I have flushed them probably 50 times at this point, bleach, etc and still 
cannot get rid of the smell.

It seems to smell worse after they have set a bit so I am assuming the chemical 
is either settling to the bottom, or the tanks are just leaching the smell.   

I’m hoping to not have to change the tanks but afraid that is where it is 
headed.

Donald






On Jun 13, 2016, at 2:42 PM, Michael Brown via CnC-List  
wrote:

> The pull out platform the settee cushions sit on can be lifted off. Under 
> that is an access
> plate that screws off. I usually in the spring use a clean microfiber cloth 
> and wipe down
> the tank with clean water and a little bit of bleach.
> 
> There are various chemicals you can add ( Sudbury Aqua Fresh and such ) that 
> work well.
> 
> I routinely add a small amount of bleach, maybe a tablespoon per 5 gallons, 
> when refilling
> the tank.
> 
> Michael Brown
> Windburn
> C&C 30-1
> 
> Listers- 
> 
> My 30-1 has developed a bad odor in the water tank under the starboard settee 
> (the tank that supplies the galley sink). 
> 
> Any tips on how to get rid of it? I'm tempted to pour some bleach in the tank 
> but wanted to check with you all first to see if there is any risk of 
> damaging the material from which the tank is made (fiberglass, I think - the 
> tank seems to be a molded part of the settee). 
> 
> Note I don't drink that water or even use it for cooking. I mainly use it for 
> cleaning. 
> 
> Thanks in advance. 
> 
> Cheers, 
> Randy Stafford 
> S/V Grenadine 
> C&C 30-1 #7 
> Ken Caryl, CO 
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Re: Stus-List Smelly Water Tank

[S Thomas via CnC-List]

Randy,
I concur with the other posters on the prudent use of bleach, but I 
would add that if your tank is fibreglass then you should at least take a look 
inside. There should be a screw-in plastic clean out on the top of the tank. 
The reason I say this is that when I bought my C&C27, the tank had been unused 
for some time, and it had grown a plaque of bacteria or mildew over the entire 
inside surface. Took me quite a while to scrub it all out. A little bleach once 
in a while kept it away once gone. There is something in gelcoat (wax maybe?) 
that mildew or bacteria seem to find tasty. When I bought my current project, 
every gelcoat surface inside the boat was covered with mildew, but not the 
other surfaces or even the cushions for that matter. 

Steve Thomas
C&C27 MKIII
Port Stanley, ON

C&C36
Merritt Island, FL

  - Original Message - 
  From: RANDY via CnC-List 
  To: cnc-list 
  Cc: RANDY 
  Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 14:17
  Subject: Stus-List Smelly Water Tank


  Listers-


  My 30-1 has developed a bad odor in the water tank under the starboard settee 
(the tank that supplies the galley sink).


  Any tips on how to get rid of it?  I'm tempted to pour some bleach in the 
tank but wanted to check with you all first to see if there is any risk of 
damaging the material from which the tank is made (fiberglass, I think - the 
tank seems to be a molded part of the settee).


  Note I don't drink that water or even use it for cooking.  I mainly use it 
for cleaning.


  Thanks in advance.


  Cheers,
  Randy Stafford
  S/V Grenadine
  C&C 30-1 #7
  Ken Caryl, CO


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Re: Stus-List Smelly Water Tank

[Gary Nylander via CnC-List]

Apparently, they changed the design – mine has a plastic tank in the same 
place. I have used a little bleach with no issues. 

 

Gary

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of RANDY via 
CnC-List
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 2:18 PM
To: cnc-list 
Cc: RANDY 
Subject: Stus-List Smelly Water Tank

 

Listers-

 

My 30-1 has developed a bad odor in the water tank under the starboard settee 
(the tank that supplies the galley sink).

 

Any tips on how to get rid of it?  I'm tempted to pour some bleach in the tank 
but wanted to check with you all first to see if there is any risk of damaging 
the material from which the tank is made (fiberglass, I think - the tank seems 
to be a molded part of the settee).

 

Note I don't drink that water or even use it for cooking.  I mainly use it for 
cleaning.

 

Thanks in advance.

 

Cheers,

Randy Stafford

S/V Grenadine

C&C 30-1 #7

Ken Caryl, CO

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Re: Stus-List Roller Furling Line

[Daniel Sheer via CnC-List]

Just replaced the furler line on Pegathy. 145% Genoa on an LF38 80' of 3/8 
double braid. Works well, 10' tail when unfurled, figure 8 to hold the line on 
the drum. A bit more than a half foot of stretch under load when reefed, I 
figure. That's less than a half turn of the drum. I figure that if it's blowin' 
that hard, the boats close to hull speed, and I ain't gonna worry about it. 

Dan SheerPegathy - LF 38Rock Creek off the Patapsco

 
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Re: Stus-List Smelly Water Tank

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Just as a note, Touche' has a 26 gallon flex tank for fresh water.  I
recently removed it as part of another project.  I took it out on the pier
and thoroughly flushed it.  A bunch of sediment came out.  The tank had
been in the boat about 7 years.

It is easy to remove.  Just loosen two collar rings and it lifts right out.

Also, because it's a flex tank, freshening it is easy.  With the tank
partially filled, put in freshening agent then just slosh the water around
in the tank by pushing on it with your hands.

Personally, I like flex tanks.  They expand to fit the space.  They're easy
to install and remove.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 1:36 PM, Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> When cleaning our tanks, which we do about two (2) times per year (yr
> round boating in PNW) we:
>
>- Add 1 tbl spoon unscented bleach : to 1 gallon tank capacity
>- Leave in tanks 3 - 24hrs (best if this is done while sailing)
>- Remove aerators/ screens from sinks and drain tanks of bleach mixture
>- Fresh fill all the way, then drain this as well
>- Fill up as normal (we can smell a very slight bleach smell on this
>tank, but very very slight)
>
> We drink and cook from our tanks no problem. We also use a  screw on type
> RV filter, before we bring any water aboard. We do this somewhat often so
> you may need to repeat the procedure a few times before it's taken care of.
> I agree with previous comment, don't kill the fittings with strong bleach.
>
> KD
>
> On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 11:26 AM Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Every time I fill up I add a tbsp of regular unscented bleach to the
>> tanks.  There is a proper ratio as recommended by the CDC but I can recall
>> exactly.  I know that I could go as high as 2 tbsp in my tanks (~20 gal) to
>> sanitize but the bleach smell is strong.  I also worry about ruining the
>> rubber components in my water system so I typically stick to just 1 tbsp.
>>
>> Josh Muckley
>> S/V Sea Hawk
>> 1989 C&C 37+
>> Solomons, MD
>> On Jun 13, 2016 2:18 PM, "RANDY via CnC-List" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Listers-
>>>
>>> My 30-1 has developed a bad odor in the water tank under the starboard
>>> settee (the tank that supplies the galley sink).
>>>
>>> Any tips on how to get rid of it?  I'm tempted to pour some bleach in
>>> the tank but wanted to check with you all first to see if there is any risk
>>> of damaging the material from which the tank is made (fiberglass, I think -
>>> the tank seems to be a molded part of the settee).
>>>
>>> Note I don't drink that water or even use it for cooking.  I mainly use
>>> it for cleaning.
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Randy Stafford
>>> S/V Grenadine
>>> C&C 30-1 #7
>>> Ken Caryl, CO
>>>
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Re: Stus-List Smelly Water Tank

[RANDY via CnC-List]

Thanks Michael and all. Sometime before launching I'd removed the pull-out 
platform and observed that the screw-off access plate was caulked / glued shut. 
I concluded it must have leaked at some time in the past and a previous owner 
did that. 

I'll try the bleach / flush / baking soda / lemon juice / chemical approaches 
first and, if the problem persists, get into the tank and clean / scrub etc. 

Thanks, 
Randy 

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From: "Michael Brown via CnC-List"  
To: "cnc-list"  
Cc: "Michael Brown"  
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 12:42:09 PM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Smelly Water Tank 

The pull out platform the settee cushions sit on can be lifted off. Under that 
is an access 
plate that screws off. I usually in the spring use a clean microfiber cloth and 
wipe down 
the tank with clean water and a little bit of bleach. 

There are various chemicals you can add ( Sudbury Aqua Fresh and such ) that 
work well. 

I routinely add a small amount of bleach, maybe a tablespoon per 5 gallons, 
when refilling 
the tank. 

Michael Brown 
Windburn 
C&C 30-1 



Listers- 

My 30-1 has developed a bad odor in the water tank under the starboard settee 
(the tank that supplies the galley sink). 

Any tips on how to get rid of it? I'm tempted to pour some bleach in the tank 
but wanted to check with you all first to see if there is any risk of damaging 
the material from which the tank is made (fiberglass, I think - the tank seems 
to be a molded part of the settee). 

Note I don't drink that water or even use it for cooking. I mainly use it for 
cleaning. 

Thanks in advance. 

Cheers, 
Randy Stafford 
S/V Grenadine 
C&C 30-1 #7 
Ken Caryl, CO 




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Re: Stus-List Smelly Water Tank

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

I strongly suggest reading some of Peggy Hall’s instructions on how to keep the 
odours from setting in a boat. She frequents the SBO and, I think, has her own 
forum there. Most of it is worth the read.

Keep in mind that the chlorine solution works fine, but only for a short while. 
It works great for blasting the bacteria in the water after a long period of 
not using the water. I don’t remember the exact solution, but I think it is 
about a cup of bleach for a gallon of water, you mix it, add it to the tank, 
you run it through all the pipes, and when you smell chlorine in all faucets, 
you let it stay there for a while (slosh around (a couple of hours sailing 
would do)). that solution should stay a minimum of a few hours and a max of 24 
(irrc). They you flush with fresh water.

If you want to maintain chlorination, you need slow release source of chlorine 
(e.g. some tablets). Some people swear by oxygenation (OXY, instead of bleach). 
Chlorine in water would evaporate, so it would not stay in it for long. On top 
of that any larger concentration of chlorine may have detrimental effect on 
some of the seals in your water system.

Many say that the only effective solution of not having any odours ion the 
water system is to use it regularly. If you leave water stagnant in the tank 
for a week, it will go bad. This is a more question of “how soon” rather than 
“if”.

Another thing to keep in mind is that most of us fill the tanks with a hose 
from a tap somewhere on the working dock. In a busy marina, this may work fine, 
but if the water is left stagnant in the hose, it will develop its own flora of 
bacteria and when you fill the tank without first flushing all that water from 
the hose, you are putting all that well developed organisms into your tank.

Personally, I don’t have much success with keeping the water in the system 
smell free. I have better days and worse ones, but it is never even close to 
what I would consider drinkable.

I am almost resigned to accept that there will be some smell there.

Marek


From: Donald Sebastian via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 14:56
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Donald Sebastian 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Smelly Water Tank

I am in the same boat with trying to clean my tanks.   I don’t think they have 
been used in about 10+ years and were filled with winterizer solution for 
probably the whole time. 

I have flushed them probably 50 times at this point, bleach, etc and still 
cannot get rid of the smell.

It seems to smell worse after they have set a bit so I am assuming the chemical 
is either settling to the bottom, or the tanks are just leaching the smell.   

I’m hoping to not have to change the tanks but afraid that is where it is 
headed.

Donald






On Jun 13, 2016, at 2:42 PM, Michael Brown via CnC-List  
wrote:


  The pull out platform the settee cushions sit on can be lifted off. Under 
that is an access
  plate that screws off. I usually in the spring use a clean microfiber cloth 
and wipe down
  the tank with clean water and a little bit of bleach.

  There are various chemicals you can add ( Sudbury Aqua Fresh and such ) that 
work well.

  I routinely add a small amount of bleach, maybe a tablespoon per 5 gallons, 
when refilling
  the tank.

  Michael Brown
  Windburn
  C&C 30-1


Listers- 

My 30-1 has developed a bad odor in the water tank under the starboard 
settee (the tank that supplies the galley sink). 

Any tips on how to get rid of it? I'm tempted to pour some bleach in the 
tank but wanted to check with you all first to see if there is any risk of 
damaging the material from which the tank is made (fiberglass, I think - the 
tank seems to be a molded part of the settee). 

Note I don't drink that water or even use it for cooking. I mainly use it 
for cleaning. 

Thanks in advance. 

Cheers, 
Randy Stafford 
S/V Grenadine 
C&C 30-1 #7 
Ken Caryl, CO 

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Re: Stus-List Time for new shore power cord?

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

You should read some of the Maine Sail’s comments on the bad shore power cords 
and plugs. He is on a crusade on that topic. But if you look at what he writes 
you would be too.

Apparently, there is a substantial difference in the connection area surface 
between the original and Smart Plug.

Certainly worth an upgrade. Your insurance broker should be happy.

Marek

From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 12:15
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Edd Schillay 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Time for new shore power cord?

I’m probably going to replace mine — but not the cord itself. I’ve heard a lot 
of good things about SmartPlug connections and will probably just upgrade mine 
to that.  

http://www.defender.com/product3.jsp?path=-1%7C328%7C2290035%7C2290039&id=1723147
 


All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY 
Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log







  On Jun 13, 2016, at 11:56 AM, Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List 
 wrote:

  Hi  Y'all

  A couple months ago I was reading about old shore power cords and their 
resistance and how that can cause serious problems..  It turned out mine looked 
like what Don Casey warns you about.. 
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1687/26304650791_2c79e2dd60_b.jpg

  I'm glad I happened to read the article in Sail! 

  Using some West reward certificates / taking advantage of an early spring 
sale (That was back in march) I was able to get some inexpensive insurance / 
peace of mind. 

  The EEL model was reasonable in price and the new design plug with integrated 
led light are nice to use.   

  You might want to take a good look at yours. 


  -Francois Rivard
  1990 34+ "Take Five"
  Lake Lanier, GA
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Stus-List Friday Night Rescue

[RANDY via CnC-List]

Just a little story to share with you all. 

Went out for a leisure sail Friday evening with my daughter her friend, in 
Beaufort 4 or 5 conditions. We sailed under main only, and there was a 15" 
whitecap chop on the water. Hardly any boats on the lake, but one windsurfer 
really hauling ass. 

Out in the middle of the lake, we heard some yelling, and looked around to see 
three PFD-less people standing on a small low fiberglass fishing boat that was 
going down by the stern. I barely had time to say "shit, they're sinking." Next 
time I looked, the boat was gone, and the people were in the water amongst 
various debris. There were no other boats in the vicinity and I realized we 
were going to have to rescue them as quickly as we could. 

Started my Atomic-4 without running the blower first, luffed my main, drove to 
them, and threw out my life sling. Had to circle them three or four times 
dragging the life sling line by them, before we could get them all pulled in 
and aboard via the swim ladder. I missed on the first try or two just due to 
the wind and water conditions and my main flogging. One of them was about 30 
yards from the other two, who told me to get the lone guy first. By the time we 
got the other two aboard, they'd been in the 68-degree water probably ten 
minutes. 

Dropped the main, drove to the marina, docked at the launch ramp, and called 
911 for the first guy at the request of the second one. I think he was very 
intoxicated or high on something. He was incoherent and unable to move his body 
well, and it wasn't from exhaustion. Plus his friends told me to get him first, 
so they must have known something. 

Anyway, couple lessons learned. First, my life sling line was not already tied 
off with the life sling in the bag. It should have been. Had to tell my 
daughter's friend to tie it off before throwing it out. Second, in all the 
chaos we forgot to give them blankets when we got them aboard. One went below 
and my daughter gave them all towels, but they were all at least very cold if 
not in the beginning stages of hypothermia. Third, don't expect the Chatfield 
State Park rangers to respond to a mayday hail on VHF 16 - I hailed as soon as 
I grasped what was happening, to no avail. 

It was lucky that I was in the right place at the right time. There were no 
other boats around. These three were too far in the middle of the lake to swim 
to shore and I don't know if they could have given the conditions (including 
theirs). And I'm glad we were able to get a line to them before having to 
witness any of them drowning. Couldn't have done without my daughter and her 
friend (both 22-ish) - that would have been too much for me to manage alone. 

After we unloaded them, filed our statements, put the boat away, and drove 
home, we toasted the good things in life with many dark & stormies and 
whitecaps. I'd never seen anything like that before, and I hope I don't have to 
again. 

Best Regards, 
Randy Stafford 
S/V Grenadine 
C&C 30-1 #7 
Ken Caryl, CO 
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Re: Stus-List Friday Night Rescue

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Way to go, Randy!

Everyone who sails in cold water should know the 1-10-1 rule:  When you
first enter the water, you have one minute to catch your breath, before you
might pass out.  The shock of entering cold water can take your breath
away, and leave you gasping for air.  You have about ten minutes before
your muscles can no longer help you get back onto your boat.  You have
about an hour before you might die from hypothermia.

Also, keep in mind that when you use a Life Sling, when you pass by the
person in  the water, you have to be close to him/her for the sling to be
within reach.

Alan Bergen
35 Mk III Thirsty
Rose City YC
Portland, OR

On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 1:17 PM, RANDY via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Just a little story to share with you all.
>
> Went out for a leisure sail Friday evening with my daughter her friend, in
> Beaufort 4 or 5 conditions.  We sailed under main only, and there was a 15"
> whitecap chop on the water.  Hardly any boats on the lake, but one
> windsurfer really hauling ass.
>
> Out in the middle of the lake, we heard some yelling, and looked around to
> see three PFD-less people standing on a small low fiberglass fishing boat
> that was going down by the stern.  I barely had time to say "shit, they're
> sinking."  Next time I looked, the boat was gone, and the people were in
> the water amongst various debris.  There were no other boats in the
> vicinity and I realized we were going to have to rescue them as quickly as
> we could.
>
> Started my Atomic-4 without running the blower first, luffed my main,
> drove to them, and threw out my life sling.  Had to circle them three or
> four times dragging the life sling line by them, before we could get them
> all pulled in and aboard via the swim ladder.  I missed on the first try or
> two just due to the wind and water conditions and my main flogging.  One of
> them was about 30 yards from the other two, who told me to get the lone guy
> first.  By the time we got the other two aboard, they'd been in the
> 68-degree water probably ten minutes.
>
> Dropped the main, drove to the marina, docked at the launch ramp, and
> called 911 for the first guy at the request of the second one.  I think he
> was very intoxicated or high on something.  He was incoherent and unable to
> move his body well, and it wasn't from exhaustion.  Plus his friends told
> me to get him first, so they must have known something.
>
> Anyway, couple lessons learned.  First, my life sling line was not already
> tied off with the life sling in the bag.  It should have been.  Had to tell
> my daughter's friend to tie it off before throwing it out.  Second, in all
> the chaos we forgot to give them blankets when we got them aboard.  One
> went below and my daughter gave them all towels, but they were all at least
> very cold if not in the beginning stages of hypothermia.  Third, don't
> expect the Chatfield State Park rangers to respond to a mayday hail on VHF
> 16 - I hailed as soon as I grasped what was happening, to no avail.
>
> It was lucky that I was in the right place at the right time.  There were
> no other boats around.  These three were too far in the middle of the lake
> to swim to shore and I don't know if they could have given the conditions
> (including theirs).  And I'm glad we were able to get a line to them before
> having to witness any of them drowning.  Couldn't have done without my
> daughter and her friend (both 22-ish) - that would have been too much for
> me to manage alone.
>
> After we unloaded them, filed our statements, put the boat away, and drove
> home, we toasted the good things in life with many dark & stormies and
> whitecaps.  I'd never seen anything like that before, and I hope I don't
> have to again.
>
> Best Regards,
> Randy Stafford
> S/V Grenadine
> C&C 30-1 #7
> Ken Caryl, CO
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Re: Stus-List Friday Night Rescue

[Chuck Borge via CnC-List]

Well Done, Randy!

Chuck B
C&C 34 Elusive
Somerset, MA

On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 4:34 PM, ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Way to go, Randy!
>
> Everyone who sails in cold water should know the 1-10-1 rule:  When you
> first enter the water, you have one minute to catch your breath, before you
> might pass out.  The shock of entering cold water can take your breath
> away, and leave you gasping for air.  You have about ten minutes before
> your muscles can no longer help you get back onto your boat.  You have
> about an hour before you might die from hypothermia.
>
> Also, keep in mind that when you use a Life Sling, when you pass by the
> person in  the water, you have to be close to him/her for the sling to be
> within reach.
>
> Alan Bergen
> 35 Mk III Thirsty
> Rose City YC
> Portland, OR
>
> On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 1:17 PM, RANDY via CnC-List  > wrote:
>
>> Just a little story to share with you all.
>>
>> Went out for a leisure sail Friday evening with my daughter her friend,
>> in Beaufort 4 or 5 conditions.  We sailed under main only, and there was a
>> 15" whitecap chop on the water.  Hardly any boats on the lake, but one
>> windsurfer really hauling ass.
>>
>> Out in the middle of the lake, we heard some yelling, and looked around
>> to see three PFD-less people standing on a small low fiberglass fishing
>> boat that was going down by the stern.  I barely had time to say "shit,
>> they're sinking."  Next time I looked, the boat was gone, and the people
>> were in the water amongst various debris.  There were no other boats in the
>> vicinity and I realized we were going to have to rescue them as quickly as
>> we could.
>>
>> Started my Atomic-4 without running the blower first, luffed my main,
>> drove to them, and threw out my life sling.  Had to circle them three or
>> four times dragging the life sling line by them, before we could get them
>> all pulled in and aboard via the swim ladder.  I missed on the first try or
>> two just due to the wind and water conditions and my main flogging.  One of
>> them was about 30 yards from the other two, who told me to get the lone guy
>> first.  By the time we got the other two aboard, they'd been in the
>> 68-degree water probably ten minutes.
>>
>> Dropped the main, drove to the marina, docked at the launch ramp, and
>> called 911 for the first guy at the request of the second one.  I think he
>> was very intoxicated or high on something.  He was incoherent and unable to
>> move his body well, and it wasn't from exhaustion.  Plus his friends told
>> me to get him first, so they must have known something.
>>
>> Anyway, couple lessons learned.  First, my life sling line was not
>> already tied off with the life sling in the bag.  It should have been.  Had
>> to tell my daughter's friend to tie it off before throwing it out.  Second,
>> in all the chaos we forgot to give them blankets when we got them aboard.
>> One went below and my daughter gave them all towels, but they were all at
>> least very cold if not in the beginning stages of hypothermia.  Third,
>> don't expect the Chatfield State Park rangers to respond to a mayday hail
>> on VHF 16 - I hailed as soon as I grasped what was happening, to no avail.
>>
>> It was lucky that I was in the right place at the right time.  There were
>> no other boats around.  These three were too far in the middle of the lake
>> to swim to shore and I don't know if they could have given the conditions
>> (including theirs).  And I'm glad we were able to get a line to them before
>> having to witness any of them drowning.  Couldn't have done without my
>> daughter and her friend (both 22-ish) - that would have been too much for
>> me to manage alone.
>>
>> After we unloaded them, filed our statements, put the boat away, and
>> drove home, we toasted the good things in life with many dark & stormies
>> and whitecaps.  I'd never seen anything like that before, and I hope I
>> don't have to again.
>>
>> Best Regards,
>> Randy Stafford
>> S/V Grenadine
>> C&C 30-1 #7
>> Ken Caryl, CO
>>
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>> like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All
>> Contributions are greatly appreciated!
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>>
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Re: Stus-List Friday Night Rescue

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Awesome story, Randy.

Just a reminder to us all that have Lifeslings.  Keep them ready to
deploy.  Touche's is on the stern pulpit as I write this.  Repack them each
spring.  Note that this is an item on the Spring Recommissioning Checklist
on the photoalbum site:



Also, with multiple MOB's it's good to have a throw bag like this:

<
https://www.amazon.com/Kwik-Tek-LL-1-Rescue-Throw/dp/BVW17E?ie=UTF8&*Version*=1&*entries*=0
>

Perhaps it could help another MOB while the Lifesling is not available.

While we're on safety, I just bought a neat personal strobe.  The UST Klipp
See-Me light.  Really neat personal strobe.  Unfortunately, with a water
resistance rating of only IPX4, it won't work for a PFD light.  I just
bought a couple of UST Marine Strobe 1.0 lights that purpose.

Dennis C.



Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 3:17 PM, RANDY via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Just a little story to share with you all.
>
> Went out for a leisure sail Friday evening with my daughter her friend, in
> Beaufort 4 or 5 conditions.  We sailed under main only, and there was a 15"
> whitecap chop on the water.  Hardly any boats on the lake, but one
> windsurfer really hauling ass.
>
> Out in the middle of the lake, we heard some yelling, and looked around to
> see three PFD-less people standing on a small low fiberglass fishing boat
> that was going down by the stern.  I barely had time to say "shit, they're
> sinking."  Next time I looked, the boat was gone, and the people were in
> the water amongst various debris.  There were no other boats in the
> vicinity and I realized we were going to have to rescue them as quickly as
> we could.
>
> Started my Atomic-4 without running the blower first, luffed my main,
> drove to them, and threw out my life sling.  Had to circle them three or
> four times dragging the life sling line by them, before we could get them
> all pulled in and aboard via the swim ladder.  I missed on the first try or
> two just due to the wind and water conditions and my main flogging.  One of
> them was about 30 yards from the other two, who told me to get the lone guy
> first.  By the time we got the other two aboard, they'd been in the
> 68-degree water probably ten minutes.
>
> Dropped the main, drove to the marina, docked at the launch ramp, and
> called 911 for the first guy at the request of the second one.  I think he
> was very intoxicated or high on something.  He was incoherent and unable to
> move his body well, and it wasn't from exhaustion.  Plus his friends told
> me to get him first, so they must have known something.
>
> Anyway, couple lessons learned.  First, my life sling line was not already
> tied off with the life sling in the bag.  It should have been.  Had to tell
> my daughter's friend to tie it off before throwing it out.  Second, in all
> the chaos we forgot to give them blankets when we got them aboard.  One
> went below and my daughter gave them all towels, but they were all at least
> very cold if not in the beginning stages of hypothermia.  Third, don't
> expect the Chatfield State Park rangers to respond to a mayday hail on VHF
> 16 - I hailed as soon as I grasped what was happening, to no avail.
>
> It was lucky that I was in the right place at the right time.  There were
> no other boats around.  These three were too far in the middle of the lake
> to swim to shore and I don't know if they could have given the conditions
> (including theirs).  And I'm glad we were able to get a line to them before
> having to witness any of them drowning.  Couldn't have done without my
> daughter and her friend (both 22-ish) - that would have been too much for
> me to manage alone.
>
> After we unloaded them, filed our statements, put the boat away, and drove
> home, we toasted the good things in life with many dark & stormies and
> whitecaps.  I'd never seen anything like that before, and I hope I don't
> have to again.
>
> Best Regards,
> Randy Stafford
> S/V Grenadine
> C&C 30-1 #7
> Ken Caryl, CO
>
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Re: Stus-List Friday Night Rescue

[Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List]

Good job Randy!!  When I lived in Colorado 2 decades ago, I had numerous 
sailing adventures on Chatfield Reservoir in my FJ that I owned and trailer 
sailed at the time.  Several of those adventures included being pinned against 
the dam on the northeastern side of the lake trying to get into the boat ramp 
before a squall hit.  That body of water can get ornery in a very short period 
of time.

 

My wife and I just took a “Suddenly Alone” class at Beverly Yacht Club and 
learned how to use and retrieve a Lifesling.  Would not have had a clue 
otherwise…

Again, you were in the right place and had the knowledge to save those folks.  
You should be very proud!

Chuck Gilchrest

S/V Half Magic

1983 LF 35

Padanaram MA

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of RANDY via 
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Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 4:18 PM
To: cnc-list 
Cc: RANDY 
Subject: Stus-List Friday Night Rescue

 

Just a little story to share with you all.

 

Went out for a leisure sail Friday evening with my daughter her friend, in 
Beaufort 4 or 5 conditions.  We sailed under main only, and there was a 15" 
whitecap chop on the water.  Hardly any boats on the lake, but one windsurfer 
really hauling ass.

 

Out in the middle of the lake, we heard some yelling, and looked around to see 
three PFD-less people standing on a small low fiberglass fishing boat that was 
going down by the stern.  I barely had time to say "shit, they're sinking."  
Next time I looked, the boat was gone, and the people were in the water amongst 
various debris.  There were no other boats in the vicinity and I realized we 
were going to have to rescue them as quickly as we could.

 

Started my Atomic-4 without running the blower first, luffed my main, drove to 
them, and threw out my life sling.  Had to circle them three or four times 
dragging the life sling line by them, before we could get them all pulled in 
and aboard via the swim ladder.  I missed on the first try or two just due to 
the wind and water conditions and my main flogging.  One of them was about 30 
yards from the other two, who told me to get the lone guy first.  By the time 
we got the other two aboard, they'd been in the 68-degree water probably ten 
minutes.

 

Dropped the main, drove to the marina, docked at the launch ramp, and called 
911 for the first guy at the request of the second one.  I think he was very 
intoxicated or high on something.  He was incoherent and unable to move his 
body well, and it wasn't from exhaustion.  Plus his friends told me to get him 
first, so they must have known something.

 

Anyway, couple lessons learned.  First, my life sling line was not already tied 
off with the life sling in the bag.  It should have been.  Had to tell my 
daughter's friend to tie it off before throwing it out.  Second, in all the 
chaos we forgot to give them blankets when we got them aboard.  One went below 
and my daughter gave them all towels, but they were all at least very cold if 
not in the beginning stages of hypothermia.  Third, don't expect the Chatfield 
State Park rangers to respond to a mayday hail on VHF 16 - I hailed as soon as 
I grasped what was happening, to no avail.

 

It was lucky that I was in the right place at the right time.  There were no 
other boats around.  These three were too far in the middle of the lake to swim 
to shore and I don't know if they could have given the conditions (including 
theirs).  And I'm glad we were able to get a line to them before having to 
witness any of them drowning.  Couldn't have done without my daughter and her 
friend (both 22-ish) - that would have been too much for me to manage alone.

 

After we unloaded them, filed our statements, put the boat away, and drove 
home, we toasted the good things in life with many dark & stormies and 
whitecaps.  I'd never seen anything like that before, and I hope I don't have 
to again.

 

Best Regards,

Randy Stafford

S/V Grenadine

C&C 30-1 #7

Ken Caryl, CO

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Re: Stus-List Friday Night Rescue

[Edd Schillay via CnC-List]

As far as I’m concerned, Randy is now Batman! Way to go Randy! Excellent job! 

All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY 
Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 

> 
> On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 3:17 PM, RANDY via CnC-List  > wrote:
> Just a little story to share with you all.
> 
> Went out for a leisure sail Friday evening with my daughter her friend, in 
> Beaufort 4 or 5 conditions.  We sailed under main only, and there was a 15" 
> whitecap chop on the water.  Hardly any boats on the lake, but one windsurfer 
> really hauling ass.
> 
> Out in the middle of the lake, we heard some yelling, and looked around to 
> see three PFD-less people standing on a small low fiberglass fishing boat 
> that was going down by the stern.  I barely had time to say "shit, they're 
> sinking."  Next time I looked, the boat was gone, and the people were in the 
> water amongst various debris.  There were no other boats in the vicinity and 
> I realized we were going to have to rescue them as quickly as we could.
> 
> Started my Atomic-4 without running the blower first, luffed my main, drove 
> to them, and threw out my life sling.  Had to circle them three or four times 
> dragging the life sling line by them, before we could get them all pulled in 
> and aboard via the swim ladder.  I missed on the first try or two just due to 
> the wind and water conditions and my main flogging.  One of them was about 30 
> yards from the other two, who told me to get the lone guy first.  By the time 
> we got the other two aboard, they'd been in the 68-degree water probably ten 
> minutes.
> 
> Dropped the main, drove to the marina, docked at the launch ramp, and called 
> 911 for the first guy at the request of the second one.  I think he was very 
> intoxicated or high on something.  He was incoherent and unable to move his 
> body well, and it wasn't from exhaustion.  Plus his friends told me to get 
> him first, so they must have known something.
> 
> Anyway, couple lessons learned.  First, my life sling line was not already 
> tied off with the life sling in the bag.  It should have been.  Had to tell 
> my daughter's friend to tie it off before throwing it out.  Second, in all 
> the chaos we forgot to give them blankets when we got them aboard.  One went 
> below and my daughter gave them all towels, but they were all at least very 
> cold if not in the beginning stages of hypothermia.  Third, don't expect the 
> Chatfield State Park rangers to respond to a mayday hail on VHF 16 - I hailed 
> as soon as I grasped what was happening, to no avail.
> 
> It was lucky that I was in the right place at the right time.  There were no 
> other boats around.  These three were too far in the middle of the lake to 
> swim to shore and I don't know if they could have given the conditions 
> (including theirs).  And I'm glad we were able to get a line to them before 
> having to witness any of them drowning.  Couldn't have done without my 
> daughter and her friend (both 22-ish) - that would have been too much for me 
> to manage alone.
> 
> After we unloaded them, filed our statements, put the boat away, and drove 
> home, we toasted the good things in life with many dark & stormies and 
> whitecaps.  I'd never seen anything like that before, and I hope I don't have 
> to again.
> 
> Best Regards,
> Randy Stafford
> S/V Grenadine
> C&C 30-1 #7
> Ken Caryl, CO
> 
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Re: Stus-List Friday Night Rescue

[G Collins via CnC-List]

Kudos Randy!

An experience I hope to never have (from either end of the action), and if I do 
I hope I do as well as you did.  My compliments to you and your crew!

Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C&C 35-III #11

On 2016-06-13 5:17 PM, RANDY via CnC-List wrote:
Just a little story to share with you all.

Went out for a leisure sail Friday evening with my daughter her friend, in 
Beaufort 4 or 5 conditions.  We sailed under main only, and there was a 15" 
whitecap chop on the water.  Hardly any boats on the lake, but one windsurfer 
really hauling ass.

Out in the middle of the lake, we heard some yelling, and looked around to see 
three PFD-less people standing on a small low fiberglass fishing boat that was 
going down by the stern.  I barely had time to say "shit, they're sinking."  
Next time I looked, the boat was gone, and the people were in the water amongst 
various debris.  There were no other boats in the vicinity and I realized we 
were going to have to rescue them as quickly as we could.

Started my Atomic-4 without running the blower first, luffed my main, drove to 
them, and threw out my life sling.  Had to circle them three or four times 
dragging the life sling line by them, before we could get them all pulled in 
and aboard via the swim ladder.  I missed on the first try or two just due to 
the wind and water conditions and my main flogging.  One of them was about 30 
yards from the other two, who told me to get the lone guy first.  By the time 
we got the other two aboard, they'd been in the 68-degree water probably ten 
minutes.

Dropped the main, drove to the marina, docked at the launch ramp, and called 
911 for the first guy at the request of the second one.  I think he was very 
intoxicated or high on something.  He was incoherent and unable to move his 
body well, and it wasn't from exhaustion.  Plus his friends told me to get him 
first, so they must have known something.

Anyway, couple lessons learned.  First, my life sling line was not already tied 
off with the life sling in the bag.  It should have been.  Had to tell my 
daughter's friend to tie it off before throwing it out.  Second, in all the 
chaos we forgot to give them blankets when we got them aboard.  One went below 
and my daughter gave them all towels, but they were all at least very cold if 
not in the beginning stages of hypothermia.  Third, don't expect the Chatfield 
State Park rangers to respond to a mayday hail on VHF 16 - I hailed as soon as 
I grasped what was happening, to no avail.

It was lucky that I was in the right place at the right time.  There were no 
other boats around.  These three were too far in the middle of the lake to swim 
to shore and I don't know if they could have given the conditions (including 
theirs).  And I'm glad we were able to get a line to them before having to 
witness any of them drowning.  Couldn't have done without my daughter and her 
friend (both 22-ish) - that would have been too much for me to manage alone.

After we unloaded them, filed our statements, put the boat away, and drove 
home, we toasted the good things in life with many dark & stormies and 
whitecaps.  I'd never seen anything like that before, and I hope I don't have 
to again.

Best Regards,
Randy Stafford
S/V Grenadine
C&C 30-1 #7
Ken Caryl, CO



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Re: Stus-List Friday Night Rescue

[Don Harben via CnC-List]

Fabulous observation and action. A round of virtual drinks for you!

I single hand. I have been working out my own come back alive strategies/gear. 
It is time to consider single handed rescues more carefully. 

Don

Don Harben
Viking 34
Life
www.ncyc.ca


> On Jun 13, 2016, at 4:42 PM, Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Suddenly Alone” class


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Re: Stus-List Friday Night Rescue

[Michael Cotton via CnC-List]

 I sailed Chatfield for a few years. They seem to have their own rules for 
navigation. VHF 16 has no value, orange flags all over the place( we just 
finished a year of cruising from Md to New England then to the Bahamas and Key 
West, never saw an orange flag). Orange flags are for extreme emergencies. 
Sailboats have to give way to a trolling power boat. It's a weird place to 
sail. 

On Monday, June 13, 2016 4:35 PM, ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List 
 wrote:
 

 Way to go, Randy!

Everyone who sails in cold water should know the 1-10-1 rule:  When you first 
enter the water, you have one minute to catch your breath, before you might 
pass out.  The shock of entering cold water can take your breath away, and 
leave you gasping for air.  You have about ten minutes before your muscles can 
no longer help you get back onto your boat.  You have about an hour before you 
might die from hypothermia.

Also, keep in mind that when you use a Life Sling, when you pass by the person 
in  the water, you have to be close to him/her for the sling to be within reach.

Alan Bergen
35 Mk III Thirsty
Rose City YC
Portland, OR

On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 1:17 PM, RANDY via CnC-List  
wrote:

Just a little story to share with you all.
Went out for a leisure sail Friday evening with my daughter her friend, in 
Beaufort 4 or 5 conditions.  We sailed under main only, and there was a 15" 
whitecap chop on the water.  Hardly any boats on the lake, but one windsurfer 
really hauling ass.
Out in the middle of the lake, we heard some yelling, and looked around to see 
three PFD-less people standing on a small low fiberglass fishing boat that was 
going down by the stern.  I barely had time to say "shit, they're sinking."  
Next time I looked, the boat was gone, and the people were in the water amongst 
various debris.  There were no other boats in the vicinity and I realized we 
were going to have to rescue them as quickly as we could.
Started my Atomic-4 without running the blower first, luffed my main, drove to 
them, and threw out my life sling.  Had to circle them three or four times 
dragging the life sling line by them, before we could get them all pulled in 
and aboard via the swim ladder.  I missed on the first try or two just due to 
the wind and water conditions and my main flogging.  One of them was about 30 
yards from the other two, who told me to get the lone guy first.  By the time 
we got the other two aboard, they'd been in the 68-degree water probably ten 
minutes.
Dropped the main, drove to the marina, docked at the launch ramp, and called 
911 for the first guy at the request of the second one.  I think he was very 
intoxicated or high on something.  He was incoherent and unable to move his 
body well, and it wasn't from exhaustion.  Plus his friends told me to get him 
first, so they must have known something.
Anyway, couple lessons learned.  First, my life sling line was not already tied 
off with the life sling in the bag.  It should have been.  Had to tell my 
daughter's friend to tie it off before throwing it out.  Second, in all the 
chaos we forgot to give them blankets when we got them aboard.  One went below 
and my daughter gave them all towels, but they were all at least very cold if 
not in the beginning stages of hypothermia.  Third, don't expect the Chatfield 
State Park rangers to respond to a mayday hail on VHF 16 - I hailed as soon as 
I grasped what was happening, to no avail.
It was lucky that I was in the right place at the right time.  There were no 
other boats around.  These three were too far in the middle of the lake to swim 
to shore and I don't know if they could have given the conditions (including 
theirs).  And I'm glad we were able to get a line to them before having to 
witness any of them drowning.  Couldn't have done without my daughter and her 
friend (both 22-ish) - that would have been too much for me to manage alone.
After we unloaded them, filed our statements, put the boat away, and drove 
home, we toasted the good things in life with many dark & stormies and 
whitecaps.  I'd never seen anything like that before, and I hope I don't have 
to again.
Best Regards,Randy StaffordS/V GrenadineC&C 30-1 #7Ken Caryl, CO
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Re: Stus-List Friday Night Rescue

[RANDY via CnC-List]

Awesome Chuck! I didn't know there was anyone else on this list who has sailed 
at Chatfield! 

With the summer afternoon / evening thunderstorms we get on the Colorado Front 
Range, Chatfield can go from zero to oh my God in just a few minutes. 

Let me know if you're ever back out this way! 

Cheers, 
Randy 

- Original Message -

From: "Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List"  
To: "cnc-list"  
Cc: "Chuck Gilchrest"  
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 2:42:42 PM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Friday Night Rescue 



Good job Randy!! When I lived in Colorado 2 decades ago, I had numerous sailing 
adventures on Chatfield Reservoir in my FJ that I owned and trailer sailed at 
the time. Several of those adventures included being pinned against the dam on 
the northeastern side of the lake trying to get into the boat ramp before a 
squall hit. That body of water can get ornery in a very short period of time. 



My wife and I just took a “Suddenly Alone” class at Beverly Yacht Club and 
learned how to use and retrieve a Lifesling. Would not have had a clue 
otherwise… 

Again, you were in the right place and had the knowledge to save those folks. 
You should be very proud! 

Chuck Gilchrest 

S/V Half Magic 

1983 LF 35 

Padanaram MA 


From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of RANDY via 
CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 4:18 PM 
To: cnc-list  
Cc: RANDY  
Subject: Stus-List Friday Night Rescue 





Just a little story to share with you all. 





Went out for a leisure sail Friday evening with my daughter her friend, in 
Beaufort 4 or 5 conditions. We sailed under main only, and there was a 15" 
whitecap chop on the water. Hardly any boats on the lake, but one windsurfer 
really hauling ass. 





Out in the middle of the lake, we heard some yelling, and looked around to see 
three PFD-less people standing on a small low fiberglass fishing boat that was 
going down by the stern. I barely had time to say "shit, they're sinking." Next 
time I looked, the boat was gone, and the people were in the water amongst 
various debris. There were no other boats in the vicinity and I realized we 
were going to have to rescue them as quickly as we could. 





Started my Atomic-4 without running the blower first, luffed my main, drove to 
them, and threw out my life sling. Had to circle them three or four times 
dragging the life sling line by them, before we could get them all pulled in 
and aboard via the swim ladder. I missed on the first try or two just due to 
the wind and water conditions and my main flogging. One of them was about 30 
yards from the other two, who told me to get the lone guy first. By the time we 
got the other two aboard, they'd been in the 68-degree water probably ten 
minutes. 





Dropped the main, drove to the marina, docked at the launch ramp, and called 
911 for the first guy at the request of the second one. I think he was very 
intoxicated or high on something. He was incoherent and unable to move his body 
well, and it wasn't from exhaustion. Plus his friends told me to get him first, 
so they must have known something. 





Anyway, couple lessons learned. First, my life sling line was not already tied 
off with the life sling in the bag. It should have been. Had to tell my 
daughter's friend to tie it off before throwing it out. Second, in all the 
chaos we forgot to give them blankets when we got them aboard. One went below 
and my daughter gave them all towels, but they were all at least very cold if 
not in the beginning stages of hypothermia. Third, don't expect the Chatfield 
State Park rangers to respond to a mayday hail on VHF 16 - I hailed as soon as 
I grasped what was happening, to no avail. 





It was lucky that I was in the right place at the right time. There were no 
other boats around. These three were too far in the middle of the lake to swim 
to shore and I don't know if they could have given the conditions (including 
theirs). And I'm glad we were able to get a line to them before having to 
witness any of them drowning. Couldn't have done without my daughter and her 
friend (both 22-ish) - that would have been too much for me to manage alone. 





After we unloaded them, filed our statements, put the boat away, and drove 
home, we toasted the good things in life with many dark & stormies and 
whitecaps. I'd never seen anything like that before, and I hope I don't have to 
again. 





Best Regards, 


Randy Stafford 


S/V Grenadine 


C&C 30-1 #7 


Ken Caryl, CO 

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Re: Stus-List Friday Night Rescue

[RANDY via CnC-List]

Hi Michael, 

We've met - I remember your boat High Cotton. I used to crew for Rick Fox on 
his Merit 25. Since he's a mutual Facebook friend, I sometimes see your posts. 
Didn't know you were on this list - do you own a C&C now? 

Chatfield may be a weird place to sail, but it's my main place to sail :) 

Cheers, 
Randy 

- Original Message -

From: "Michael Cotton via CnC-List"  
To: "cnc-list"  
Cc: "Michael Cotton"  
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 2:58:09 PM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Friday Night Rescue 

I sailed Chatfield for a few years. They seem to have their own rules for 
navigation. VHF 16 has no value, orange flags all over the place( we just 
finished a year of cruising from Md to New England then to the Bahamas and Key 
West, never saw an orange flag). Orange flags are for extreme emergencies. 
Sailboats have to give way to a trolling power boat. It's a weird place to 
sail. 


On Monday, June 13, 2016 4:35 PM, ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List 
 wrote: 


Way to go, Randy! 

Everyone who sails in cold water should know the 1-10-1 rule: When you first 
enter the water, you have one minute to catch your breath, before you might 
pass out. The shock of entering cold water can take your breath away, and leave 
you gasping for air. You have about ten minutes before your muscles can no 
longer help you get back onto your boat. You have about an hour before you 
might die from hypothermia. 

Also, keep in mind that when you use a Life Sling, when you pass by the person 
in the water, you have to be close to him/her for the sling to be within reach. 

Alan Bergen 
35 Mk III Thirsty 
Rose City YC 
Portland, OR 

On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 1:17 PM, RANDY via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com > 
wrote: 



Just a little story to share with you all. 

Went out for a leisure sail Friday evening with my daughter her friend, in 
Beaufort 4 or 5 conditions. We sailed under main only, and there was a 15" 
whitecap chop on the water. Hardly any boats on the lake, but one windsurfer 
really hauling ass. 

Out in the middle of the lake, we heard some yelling, and looked around to see 
three PFD-less people standing on a small low fiberglass fishing boat that was 
going down by the stern. I barely had time to say "shit, they're sinking." Next 
time I looked, the boat was gone, and the people were in the water amongst 
various debris. There were no other boats in the vicinity and I realized we 
were going to have to rescue them as quickly as we could. 

Started my Atomic-4 without running the blower first, luffed my main, drove to 
them, and threw out my life sling. Had to circle them three or four times 
dragging the life sling line by them, before we could get them all pulled in 
and aboard via the swim ladder. I missed on the first try or two just due to 
the wind and water conditions and my main flogging. One of them was about 30 
yards from the other two, who told me to get the lone guy first. By the time we 
got the other two aboard, they'd been in the 68-degree water probably ten 
minutes. 

Dropped the main, drove to the marina, docked at the launch ramp, and called 
911 for the first guy at the request of the second one. I think he was very 
intoxicated or high on something. He was incoherent and unable to move his body 
well, and it wasn't from exhaustion. Plus his friends told me to get him first, 
so they must have known something. 

Anyway, couple lessons learned. First, my life sling line was not already tied 
off with the life sling in the bag. It should have been. Had to tell my 
daughter's friend to tie it off before throwing it out. Second, in all the 
chaos we forgot to give them blankets when we got them aboard. One went below 
and my daughter gave them all towels, but they were all at least very cold if 
not in the beginning stages of hypothermia. Third, don't expect the Chatfield 
State Park rangers to respond to a mayday hail on VHF 16 - I hailed as soon as 
I grasped what was happening, to no avail. 

It was lucky that I was in the right place at the right time. There were no 
other boats around. These three were too far in the middle of the lake to swim 
to shore and I don't know if they could have given the conditions (including 
theirs). And I'm glad we were able to get a line to them before having to 
witness any of them drowning. Couldn't have done without my daughter and her 
friend (both 22-ish) - that would have been too much for me to manage alone. 

After we unloaded them, filed our statements, put the boat away, and drove 
home, we toasted the good things in life with many dark & stormies and 
whitecaps. I'd never seen anything like that before, and I hope I don't have to 
again. 

Best Regards, 
Randy Stafford 
S/V Grenadine 
C&C 30-1 #7 
Ken Caryl, CO 

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Re: Stus-List Vent Fans -- Where Do You Have Them?

[Persuasion37 via CnC-List]

David

Got back to the boat today and took a few pictures.  View them here. 
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5XwVHwXOkwddWRNWHVWUHB2d00

If you have trouble viewing them at the link above and I'll send them to you 
directly.

Mike
Persuasion
C&C 37 K/CB
Long Sault

> On Jun 1, 2016, at 8:46 PM, David Miles via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Thx Mike. I’ll have a look.
> We were just discussing the idea last weekend, so they may well be helpful, 
> if not too much trouble.
> Did they make the difference you were hoping for?
>  
> Be safe.
>  
> Best regards,
>  
> David Miles
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of 
> Persuasion37 via CnC-List
> Sent: June-01-16 5:11 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Persuasion37
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Vent Fans -- Where Do You Have Them?
>  
> Hey Dave
>  
> Just checked my blog (persuasion37.com) and if you look at the cover photo 
> and one posted May 17/15 you can see the vents.  If you would like close ups 
> and more in depth pics I'll get them when I get home.
>  
> Mike
> Persuasion
> C&C 37 K/CB
> Long Sault
>  
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On Jun 1, 2016, at 8:11 PM, David Miles via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Do you have some pictures you can post of the Vent Fans Mike?
>  
> Best regards,
>  
> David Miles
> Impulse
> C&C 30-2
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of 
> Persuasion37 via CnC-List
> Sent: June-01-16 2:51 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Persuasion37
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Vent Fans -- Where Do You Have Them?
>  
> On Persuasion the cowls were removed and solar vents installed.  Over the 
> galley sink another was installed.
>  
> Mike
> Persuasion
> C&C 37 K/CB
> Long Sault
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On Jun 1, 2016, at 1:37 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Listers,
>  
> After launching the Enterprise last week, we undertook a several-day battle 
> of cleaning up mold and mildew that formed over the winter season. See: 
> https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-atTOVzKTiJ4/V070NXLN-NI/CbI/L4P1kYqh0DAJw5J-vDUC2nFRCCXe4OtHgCLcB/s1600/madkirk.jpg
>  
>  
> It’s time for one (or two) of those solar vent fans. The question I have for 
> the collective wisdom of the group is, if you have installed them, where do 
> you have them? How hard was it to install? I cringe at the idea of drilling a 
> 3-4 inch hole in the deck, but also am not crazy about reducing natural light 
> by putting one into a hatch. Any ideas and experience is welcome. 
>  
> … except for that guy who is not an engineer….. 
> 
> All the best,
>  
> Edd
>  
>  
> Edd M. Schillay
> Starship Enterprise
> C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
> City Island, NY 
> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
>  
> 
> 
> 
>  
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Re: Stus-List Vent Fans -- Where Do You Have Them?

[Persuasion37 via CnC-List]

Kurt

Sometimes I wish I had the dorades.  I think a well polished dorade is real 
classy.

Mike
Persuasion
C&C 37 K/CB
Long Sault

> On Jun 1, 2016, at 8:57 PM, Kurt Heckert via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> How about replacing the dorades on the coach roof, if you have them.
> 
> From: David Miles via CnC-List ; 
> To: ; 
> Cc: David Miles ; 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Vent Fans -- Where Do You Have Them? 
> Sent: Thu, Jun 2, 2016 12:46:38 AM 
> 
> Thx Mike. I’ll have a look.
> 
> We were just discussing the idea last weekend, so they may well be helpful, 
> if not too much trouble.
> 
> Did they make the difference you were hoping for?
> 
>  
> 
> Be safe.
> 
>  
> 
> Best regards,
> 
>  
> 
> David Miles
> 
>  
> 
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of 
> Persuasion37 via CnC-List
> Sent: June-01-16 5:11 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Persuasion37
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Vent Fans -- Where Do You Have Them?
> 
>  
> 
> Hey Dave
> 
>  
> 
> Just checked my blog (persuasion37.com) and if you look at the cover photo 
> and one posted May 17/15 you can see the vents.  If you would like close ups 
> and more in depth pics I'll get them when I get home.
> 
>  
> 
> Mike
> 
> Persuasion
> 
> C&C 37 K/CB
> 
> Long Sault
> 
>  
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> 
> On Jun 1, 2016, at 8:11 PM, David Miles via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Do you have some pictures you can post of the Vent Fans Mike?
> 
>  
> 
> Best regards,
> 
>  
> 
> David Miles
> 
> Impulse
> 
> C&C 30-2
> 
>  
> 
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of 
> Persuasion37 via CnC-List
> Sent: June-01-16 2:51 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Persuasion37
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Vent Fans -- Where Do You Have Them?
> 
>  
> 
> On Persuasion the cowls were removed and solar vents installed.  Over the 
> galley sink another was installed.
> 
>  
> 
> Mike
> 
> Persuasion
> 
> C&C 37 K/CB
> 
> Long Sault
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> 
> On Jun 1, 2016, at 1:37 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Listers,
> 
>  
> 
> After launching the Enterprise last week, we undertook a several-day battle 
> of cleaning up mold and mildew that formed over the winter season. See: 
> https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-atTOVzKTiJ4/V070NXLN-NI/CbI/L4P1kYqh0DAJw5J-vDUC2nFRCCXe4OtHgCLcB/s1600/madkirk.jpg
>  
> 
>  
> 
> It’s time for one (or two) of those solar vent fans. The question I have for 
> the collective wisdom of the group is, if you have installed them, where do 
> you have them? How hard was it to install? I cringe at the idea of drilling a 
> 3-4 inch hole in the deck, but also am not crazy about reducing natural light 
> by putting one into a hatch. Any ideas and experience is welcome. 
> 
>  
> 
> … except for that guy who is not an engineer….. 
> 
> 
> All the best,
> 
>  
> 
> Edd
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> Edd M. Schillay
> 
> Starship Enterprise
> 
> C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
> 
> City Island, NY 
> 
> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
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Re: Stus-List Friday Night Rescue

[Lorne Serpa via CnC-List]

I ask because I don't know and am new to sailing...
Why didn't you just stop and pick them up vice circling with a ring in tow?

On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 2:10 PM, RANDY via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Hi Michael,
>
> We've met - I remember your boat High Cotton.  I used to crew for Rick Fox
> on his Merit 25.  Since he's a mutual Facebook friend, I sometimes see your
> posts.  Didn't know you were on this list - do you own a C&C now?
>
> Chatfield may be a weird place to sail, but it's my main place to sail :)
>
> Cheers,
> Randy
>
> --
> *From: *"Michael Cotton via CnC-List" 
> *To: *"cnc-list" 
> *Cc: *"Michael Cotton" 
> *Sent: *Monday, June 13, 2016 2:58:09 PM
> *Subject: *Re: Stus-List Friday Night Rescue
>
>  I sailed Chatfield for a few years. They seem to have their own rules for
> navigation. VHF 16 has no value, orange flags all over the place( we just
> finished a year of cruising from Md to New England then to the Bahamas and
> Key West, never saw an orange flag). Orange flags are for extreme
> emergencies. Sailboats have to give way to a trolling power boat. It's a
> weird place to sail.
>
>
> On Monday, June 13, 2016 4:35 PM, ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>
> Way to go, Randy!
>
> Everyone who sails in cold water should know the 1-10-1 rule:  When you
> first enter the water, you have one minute to catch your breath, before you
> might pass out.  The shock of entering cold water can take your breath
> away, and leave you gasping for air.  You have about ten minutes before
> your muscles can no longer help you get back onto your boat.  You have
> about an hour before you might die from hypothermia.
>
> Also, keep in mind that when you use a Life Sling, when you pass by the
> person in  the water, you have to be close to him/her for the sling to be
> within reach.
>
> Alan Bergen
> 35 Mk III Thirsty
> Rose City YC
> Portland, OR
>
> On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 1:17 PM, RANDY via CnC-List  > wrote:
>
> Just a little story to share with you all.
>
> Went out for a leisure sail Friday evening with my daughter her friend, in
> Beaufort 4 or 5 conditions.  We sailed under main only, and there was a 15"
> whitecap chop on the water.  Hardly any boats on the lake, but one
> windsurfer really hauling ass.
>
> Out in the middle of the lake, we heard some yelling, and looked around to
> see three PFD-less people standing on a small low fiberglass fishing boat
> that was going down by the stern.  I barely had time to say "shit, they're
> sinking."  Next time I looked, the boat was gone, and the people were in
> the water amongst various debris.  There were no other boats in the
> vicinity and I realized we were going to have to rescue them as quickly as
> we could.
>
> Started my Atomic-4 without running the blower first, luffed my main,
> drove to them, and threw out my life sling.  Had to circle them three or
> four times dragging the life sling line by them, before we could get them
> all pulled in and aboard via the swim ladder.  I missed on the first try or
> two just due to the wind and water conditions and my main flogging.  One of
> them was about 30 yards from the other two, who told me to get the lone guy
> first.  By the time we got the other two aboard, they'd been in the
> 68-degree water probably ten minutes.
>
> Dropped the main, drove to the marina, docked at the launch ramp, and
> called 911 for the first guy at the request of the second one.  I think he
> was very intoxicated or high on something.  He was incoherent and unable to
> move his body well, and it wasn't from exhaustion.  Plus his friends told
> me to get him first, so they must have known something.
>
> Anyway, couple lessons learned.  First, my life sling line was not already
> tied off with the life sling in the bag.  It should have been.  Had to tell
> my daughter's friend to tie it off before throwing it out.  Second, in all
> the chaos we forgot to give them blankets when we got them aboard.  One
> went below and my daughter gave them all towels, but they were all at least
> very cold if not in the beginning stages of hypothermia.  Third, don't
> expect the Chatfield State Park rangers to respond to a mayday hail on VHF
> 16 - I hailed as soon as I grasped what was happening, to no avail.
>
> It was lucky that I was in the right place at the right time.  There were
> no other boats around.  These three were too far in the middle of the lake
> to swim to shore and I don't know if they could have given the conditions
> (including theirs).  And I'm glad we were able to get a line to them before
> having to witness any of them drowning.  Couldn't have done without my
> daughter and her friend (both 22-ish) - that would have been too much for
> me to manage alone.
>
> After we unloaded them, filed our statements, put the boat away, and drove
> home, we toasted the good things in life with many dark & stormies and
> whitecaps.  I'd never seen anything like that before, and I hope I

Re: Stus-List Friday Night Rescue - now using life sling

[Indigo via CnC-List]

I have always understood that to deploy the life sling we should make a fairly 
large circle round the victim and the horseshoe would act as a sort of anchor 
and make the line get closer and closer to the victim without the boat needing 
to get close. Once the victim (assuming capable ) has grasped the line we 
should stop the boat and pull in the line and the victim. Have I got it wrong?

--
Jonathan
Indigo C&C 35III
SOUTHPORT CT

> On Jun 13, 2016, at 16:34, ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Also, keep in mind that when you use a Life Sling, when you pass by the 
> person in  the water, you have to be close to him/her for the sling to be 
> within reach.


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Re: Stus-List Friday Night Rescue

[RANDY via CnC-List]

Because dragging a line by the person in the water is a higher-probability 
proposition. They can grab it and you can pull them to the boat. Initially I 
had my crew open the life line gates and stand by to pull the people aboard. 
But I couldn't get the boat close enough to the people, and it's still going by 
fast enough that it's easy to miss grabbing their hands, and then you'd have to 
pull them over a couple feet of freeboard to get them on deck, with the boat 
pitching and rolling. And two of these guys were 250+ -pound men, exhausted and 
one incapacitated. Same deal with the swim ladder. Couldn't get the boat close 
enough, quickly enough, and moving slowly enough, for them to be able to swim 
over and grab the ladder (with the boat pitching etc.). It was a much more 
sure-fire proposition to throw a line to them, and pull them to the boat's 
transom. Even after we pulled them in and they climbed the swim ladder, it was 
still quite an ordeal to get them over the stern pulpit into the cockpit, 
because they were so tired and weak. 

Cheers, 
Randy 

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From: "Lorne Serpa via CnC-List"  
To: "cnc-list"  
Cc: "Lorne Serpa"  
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 3:59:54 PM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Friday Night Rescue 

I ask because I don't know and am new to sailing... 
Why didn't you just stop and pick them up vice circling with a ring in tow? 

On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 2:10 PM, RANDY via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com > 
wrote: 



Hi Michael, 

We've met - I remember your boat High Cotton. I used to crew for Rick Fox on 
his Merit 25. Since he's a mutual Facebook friend, I sometimes see your posts. 
Didn't know you were on this list - do you own a C&C now? 

Chatfield may be a weird place to sail, but it's my main place to sail :) 

Cheers, 
Randy 


From: "Michael Cotton via CnC-List" < cnc-list@cnc-list.com > 
To: "cnc-list" < cnc-list@cnc-list.com > 
Cc: "Michael Cotton" < mpc51...@yahoo.com > 
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 2:58:09 PM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Friday Night Rescue 

I sailed Chatfield for a few years. They seem to have their own rules for 
navigation. VHF 16 has no value, orange flags all over the place( we just 
finished a year of cruising from Md to New England then to the Bahamas and Key 
West, never saw an orange flag). Orange flags are for extreme emergencies. 
Sailboats have to give way to a trolling power boat. It's a weird place to 
sail. 


On Monday, June 13, 2016 4:35 PM, ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List < 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote: 


Way to go, Randy! 

Everyone who sails in cold water should know the 1-10-1 rule: When you first 
enter the water, you have one minute to catch your breath, before you might 
pass out. The shock of entering cold water can take your breath away, and leave 
you gasping for air. You have about ten minutes before your muscles can no 
longer help you get back onto your boat. You have about an hour before you 
might die from hypothermia. 

Also, keep in mind that when you use a Life Sling, when you pass by the person 
in the water, you have to be close to him/her for the sling to be within reach. 

Alan Bergen 
35 Mk III Thirsty 
Rose City YC 
Portland, OR 

On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 1:17 PM, RANDY via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com > 
wrote: 



Just a little story to share with you all. 

Went out for a leisure sail Friday evening with my daughter her friend, in 
Beaufort 4 or 5 conditions. We sailed under main only, and there was a 15" 
whitecap chop on the water. Hardly any boats on the lake, but one windsurfer 
really hauling ass. 

Out in the middle of the lake, we heard some yelling, and looked around to see 
three PFD-less people standing on a small low fiberglass fishing boat that was 
going down by the stern. I barely had time to say "shit, they're sinking." Next 
time I looked, the boat was gone, and the people were in the water amongst 
various debris. There were no other boats in the vicinity and I realized we 
were going to have to rescue them as quickly as we could. 

Started my Atomic-4 without running the blower first, luffed my main, drove to 
them, and threw out my life sling. Had to circle them three or four times 
dragging the life sling line by them, before we could get them all pulled in 
and aboard via the swim ladder. I missed on the first try or two just due to 
the wind and water conditions and my main flogging. One of them was about 30 
yards from the other two, who told me to get the lone guy first. By the time we 
got the other two aboard, they'd been in the 68-degree water probably ten 
minutes. 

Dropped the main, drove to the marina, docked at the launch ramp, and called 
911 for the first guy at the request of the second one. I think he was very 
intoxicated or high on something. He was incoherent and unable to move his body 
well, and it wasn't from exhaustion. Plus his friends told me to get him first, 
so they must have known something. 

Anyway, couple lessons learned. First, my life sling lin

Re: Stus-List Throttle and shift levers

[Bradley Lumgair via CnC-List]

I'm pretty much at a loss, was in the boat today took a few pictures. Looks 
like the linkage to the input shaft won't fit the other way around, it will hit 
the flywheel housing on the back of the engine, and the cable mount needs a BIG 
re-alignment. I will have to go over to the yacht club and have a look at 
John's Enterprise to see how it's set up. I don't know if it's any different.
Thanks for the suggestions
Brad
"Pulse" C&C 33 Mkii
Lake Huron

[X][X]
I'd rather be sailing

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Re: Stus-List Friday Night Rescue - now using life sling

[RANDY via CnC-List]

That's about what I did. Whether correct or not, it worked. Fortunately these 
people were conscious and able enough to grab and hold the line, and climb the 
swim ladder once we pulled them to the boat. The one guy who flopped in the 
cockpit incoherent afterward made it on pure adrenaline we think. The other guy 
was more composed once he recovered a bit, and realized how close they'd come 
to drowning. The girl who went below was totally traumatized, more or less in 
shock. We got the first guy by himself. We got the other two at the same time - 
dragged the line by them and they both hung on. One other lesson - wear gloves 
if possible. That life sling line is waxy and sharp. My crew got cuts and 
blisters from it pulling those people in. 

Cheers, 
Randy 

- Original Message -

From: "Indigo via CnC-List"  
To: "cnc-list"  
Cc: "Indigo"  
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 4:31:03 PM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Friday Night Rescue - now using life sling 

I have always understood that to deploy the life sling we should make a fairly 
large circle round the victim and the horseshoe would act as a sort of anchor 
and make the line get closer and closer to the victim without the boat needing 
to get close. Once the victim (assuming capable ) has grasped the line we 
should stop the boat and pull in the line and the victim. Have I got it wrong? 

-- 
Jonathan 
Indigo C&C 35III 
SOUTHPORT CT 

> On Jun 13, 2016, at 16:34, ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List  
> wrote: 
> 
> 
> Also, keep in mind that when you use a Life Sling, when you pass by the 
> person in the water, you have to be close to him/her for the sling to be 
> within reach. 


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Stus-List Friday Night Rescue

[Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List]

Well Done!

You were the right guy at the right time. 

I made a mental note about the blanket.  Down in Georgia we sail all year 
long and the water does get into the 50-60's in the winter, I bought self 
inflating PFD's for winter season racing but did not think about the 
blanket. I need to add a blanket or 2 to my MOB bag.

Thanks for sharing. 
 
Francois Rivard
1990 34+ "Take Five"
Lake Lanier, GA



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Re: Stus-List Friday Night Rescue - now using life sling

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

First, great job Randy. I only wish all of us would do at least as good a job 
as you did.

Jonathan, even at zero speed, the boat would be blown away from anyone in the 
water. We only think we can swim that fast. Additionally, you would have a 
trouble to try staying in one spot (unless you have a full set of bow and stern 
thrusters).

And to all of us – we should practice for that. I do tie off the Life Sling to 
the pushpit, but I guess, I should deploy it on occasion. If nothing else, to 
see how big the circle this should be. And it would help if we practice on 
occasion in adverse conditions. The problem is that you have to convince the 
Admiral or the crew to do the drills (rather than having fun).

Btw. Randy, at least theoretically, you could use the Sling to lift people out 
water (e.g. using the main tackle and the main halyard).

Thanks for sharing

Marek

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From: Indigo via CnC-List
Sent: June 13, 2016 18:31
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Indigo
Subject: Re: Stus-List Friday Night Rescue - now using life sling

I have always understood that to deploy the life sling we should make a fairly 
large circle round the victim and the horseshoe would act as a sort of anchor 
and make the line get closer and closer to the victim without the boat needing 
to get close. Once the victim (assuming capable ) has grasped the line we 
should stop the boat and pull in the line and the victim. Have I got it wrong?

--
Jonathan
Indigo C&C 35III
SOUTHPORT CT

> On Jun 13, 2016, at 16:34, ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List  
> wrote:
>
>
> Also, keep in mind that when you use a Life Sling, when you pass by the 
> person in  the water, you have to be close to him/her for the sling to be 
> within reach.


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Re: Stus-List Throttle and shift levers

[ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List]

What engine do you have, Brad.

Alan

On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 3:45 PM, Bradley Lumgair via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I'm pretty much at a loss, was in the boat today took a few pictures.
> Looks like the linkage to the input shaft won't fit the other way around,
> it will hit the flywheel housing on the back of the engine, and the cable
> mount needs a BIG re-alignment. I will have to go over to the yacht club
> and have a look at John's Enterprise to see how it's set up. I don't know
> if it's any different.
> Thanks for the suggestions
> Brad
> "Pulse" C&C 33 Mkii
> Lake Huron
>
> I'd rather be sailing
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Friday Night Rescue - now using life sling

[ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List]

The bigger the circle, the more times you'll have to circle the victim
before the Lifesling gets close to him.

On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 3:31 PM, Indigo via CnC-List 
wrote:

> I have always understood that to deploy the life sling we should make a
> fairly large circle round the victim and the horseshoe would act as a sort
> of anchor and make the line get closer and closer to the victim without the
> boat needing to get close. Once the victim (assuming capable ) has grasped
> the line we should stop the boat and pull in the line and the victim. Have
> I got it wrong?
>
> --
> Jonathan
> Indigo C&C 35III
> SOUTHPORT CT
>
> > On Jun 13, 2016, at 16:34, ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Also, keep in mind that when you use a Life Sling, when you pass by the
> person in  the water, you have to be close to him/her for the sling to be
> within reach.
>
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Re: Stus-List Time for new shore power cord?

[G Collins via CnC-List]

I replaced my shore power cord with a smart plug a couple of years ago, very 
happy with it!  I wrote a (positive) review for it that appeared in Good Old 
Boat a while back.   Recommended!

Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C&C 35-III #11

On 2016-06-13 1:14 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List wrote:
I’m probably going to replace mine — but not the cord itself. I’ve heard a lot 
of good things about SmartPlug connections and will probably just upgrade mine 
to that.

http://www.defender.com/product3.jsp?path=-1%7C328%7C2290035%7C2290039&id=1723147

All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY
Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log






On Jun 13, 2016, at 11:56 AM, Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Hi  Y'all

A couple months ago I was reading about old shore power cords and their 
resistance and how that can cause serious problems..  It turned out mine looked 
like what Don Casey warns you about.. 
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1687/26304650791_2c79e2dd60_b.jpg

I'm glad I happened to read the article in Sail!

Using some West reward certificates / taking advantage of an early spring sale 
(That was back in march) I was able to get some inexpensive insurance / peace 
of mind.

The EEL model was reasonable in price and the new design plug with integrated 
led light are nice to use.

You might want to take a good look at yours.


-Francois Rivard
1990 34+ "Take Five"
Lake Lanier, GA
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Re: Stus-List Friday Night Rescue

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Just get a 2-3 cheap sleeping bags from Walmart or Academy Sports.  $10-15
in nice stuff sacks.  We have several on Touche'.

Dennis C.

On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 6:02 PM, Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Well Done!
>
> You were the right guy at the right time.
>
> I made a mental note about the blanket.  Down in Georgia we sail all year
> long and the water does get into the 50-60's in the winter, I bought self
> inflating PFD's for winter season racing but did not think about the
> blanket. I need to add a blanket or 2 to my MOB bag.
>
> Thanks for sharing.
>
> Francois Rivard
> 1990 34+ "Take Five"
> Lake Lanier, GA
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Friday Night Rescue

[Chuck S via CnC-List]

Great story. Thanks for sharing. You are a true hero. You saved three lives!! 

I keep a Lifesling tied off to a stern cleat. I need to practice with it next 
time at the boat. 

Thanks, 
Chuck 
Resolute 
1990 C&C 34R 
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md 

- Original Message -

From: "RANDY via CnC-List"  
To: "cnc-list"  
Cc: "RANDY"  
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 4:17:49 PM 
Subject: Stus-List Friday Night Rescue 

Just a little story to share with you all. 

Went out for a leisure sail Friday evening with my daughter her friend, in 
Beaufort 4 or 5 conditions. We sailed under main only, and there was a 15" 
whitecap chop on the water. Hardly any boats on the lake, but one windsurfer 
really hauling ass. 

Out in the middle of the lake, we heard some yelling, and looked around to see 
three PFD-less people standing on a small low fiberglass fishing boat that was 
going down by the stern. I barely had time to say "shit, they're sinking." Next 
time I looked, the boat was gone, and the people were in the water amongst 
various debris. There were no other boats in the vicinity and I realized we 
were going to have to rescue them as quickly as we could. 

Started my Atomic-4 without running the blower first, luffed my main, drove to 
them, and threw out my life sling. Had to circle them three or four times 
dragging the life sling line by them, before we could get them all pulled in 
and aboard via the swim ladder. I missed on the first try or two just due to 
the wind and water conditions and my main flogging. One of them was about 30 
yards from the other two, who told me to get the lone guy first. By the time we 
got the other two aboard, they'd been in the 68-degree water probably ten 
minutes. 

Dropped the main, drove to the marina, docked at the launch ramp, and called 
911 for the first guy at the request of the second one. I think he was very 
intoxicated or high on something. He was incoherent and unable to move his body 
well, and it wasn't from exhaustion. Plus his friends told me to get him first, 
so they must have known something. 

Anyway, couple lessons learned. First, my life sling line was not already tied 
off with the life sling in the bag. It should have been. Had to tell my 
daughter's friend to tie it off before throwing it out. Second, in all the 
chaos we forgot to give them blankets when we got them aboard. One went below 
and my daughter gave them all towels, but they were all at least very cold if 
not in the beginning stages of hypothermia. Third, don't expect the Chatfield 
State Park rangers to respond to a mayday hail on VHF 16 - I hailed as soon as 
I grasped what was happening, to no avail. 

It was lucky that I was in the right place at the right time. There were no 
other boats around. These three were too far in the middle of the lake to swim 
to shore and I don't know if they could have given the conditions (including 
theirs). And I'm glad we were able to get a line to them before having to 
witness any of them drowning. Couldn't have done without my daughter and her 
friend (both 22-ish) - that would have been too much for me to manage alone. 

After we unloaded them, filed our statements, put the boat away, and drove 
home, we toasted the good things in life with many dark & stormies and 
whitecaps. I'd never seen anything like that before, and I hope I don't have to 
again. 

Best Regards, 
Randy Stafford 
S/V Grenadine 
C&C 30-1 #7 
Ken Caryl, CO 

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Re: Stus-List Friday Night Rescue

[Chuck S via CnC-List]

The sleeping bags are a great idea, but have your people towel off before 
getting in and they will warm up much faster. 


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From: "Dennis C. via CnC-List"  
To: "CnClist"  
Cc: "Dennis C."  
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 8:10:17 PM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Friday Night Rescue 

Just get a 2-3 cheap sleeping bags from Walmart or Academy Sports. $10-15 in 
nice stuff sacks. We have several on Touche'. 

Dennis C. 

On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 6:02 PM, Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List < 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote: 


Well Done! 

You were the right guy at the right time. 

I made a mental note about the blanket. Down in Georgia we sail all year long 
and the water does get into the 50-60's in the winter, I bought self inflating 
PFD's for winter season racing but did not think about the blanket. I need to 
add a blanket or 2 to my MOB bag. 

Thanks for sharing. 

Francois Rivard 
1990 34+ "Take Five" 
Lake Lanier, GA 



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Re: Stus-List Crack at trailing edge of lower spreader on LF38

[Gary Kolc via CnC-List]

I had that problem as well and we had them welded years ago no problems.
 
Gary "Liberty" 

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE TabletOn Jun 13, 2016 9:55 AM, Robert 
Boyer via CnC-List  wrote:
>
> As part of my annual haul out this year, I had a rigging survey done by my 
> boatyard.  They found a crack that runs along the trailing edge of the lower 
> starboard spreader.  We are looking at two options: weld repairs and new 
> spreaders.  Has anyone else run into this problem?  If so, any help on where 
> to find replacement spreaders would be very useful.  Thanks!
>
> Bob
>
> Bob Boyer
> s/v Rainy Days
> C&C Landfall 38 (Hull # 230)
> Annapolis, MD (presently in Baltimore)
> blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com
> email: dainyr...@icloud.com
>
> On Jun 13, 2016, at 9:08 AM, David via CnC-List  wrote:
>
>> Once you get the length figured out, get rid of the core for that portion 
>> that will be on the drum.  The cover can handle the load and it lies nice 
>> and flat in the drum.   No more tangles...   
>>
>> David F. Risch
>> 1981 40-2
>> (401) 419-4650 (cell)
>>
>>
>> 
>> Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2016 20:29:43 -0400
>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> Subject: Stus-List Roller Furling Line
>> From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> CC: e...@schillay.com
>>
>> Listers,
>>
>> My roller furling line got ultra-tangled in the drum and I ended up having 
>> to drop the headsail and cut it all out. 
>>
>> I bought some new line and am going to install tomorrow, weather permitting. 
>>
>> So here's the question. How many feet of line should I have wrapped around 
>> the drum before putting the sail back on? 
>>
>> I'm running with a 135% headsail, but want to have enough on there to 
>> accommodate a 150, if I ever make a change. 
>>
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>> Edd
>>
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>> Starship Enterprise
>> NCC-1701-B
>> C&C 37+ | City Island, NY
>> www.StarshipSailing.com
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Re: Stus-List Smelly Water Tank

[Tim Goodyear via CnC-List]

Hi Randy,

I passed my ABYC Marine Systems exam this morning, so am fully up on the 
prescribed procedures.  Essentially soak the entire system (all tanks, pumps, 
outlets) with household bleach at 100 parts per million (which works out at 8oz 
per 10 gallons of tank capacity.  Leave it for more than 8 hours, but less than 
24, drain, flush with fresh water (maybe more than once) then fill.

I did this on our 380 gallon tanks a couple of weeks ago.  It got rid of the 
bad odor, still has a very faint scent of bleach and took about an hour running 
all outlets to empty out

Regards,

Tim
Ex 35-3

> On Jun 13, 2016, at 2:17 PM, RANDY via CnC-List  wrote:
> 
> Listers-
> 
> My 30-1 has developed a bad odor in the water tank under the starboard settee 
> (the tank that supplies the galley sink).
> 
> Any tips on how to get rid of it?  I'm tempted to pour some bleach in the 
> tank but wanted to check with you all first to see if there is any risk of 
> damaging the material from which the tank is made (fiberglass, I think - the 
> tank seems to be a molded part of the settee).
> 
> Note I don't drink that water or even use it for cooking.  I mainly use it 
> for cleaning.
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> Cheers,
> Randy Stafford
> S/V Grenadine
> C&C 30-1 #7
> Ken Caryl, CO
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Stus-List Never too late to procrastinate, shore power

[Chuck S via CnC-List]

$175 for the inlet and plug kit. I like the product and the theory behind it. 

"Never too late to procrastinate" 
I installed a nice twistlock inlet 12 years ago into the cockpit wall, and then 
found I had to pay extra for shorepower, so it's never had power connected to 
it. Two years ago, I installed a 16000BTU air conditioner to survive global 
warming in Chesapeake Bay. I have a 120vAC breaker panel mounted to a piece of 
black starboard and the hole is cut into the teak bulkhead, but never got it 
installed. The SS hinge is ready. Gave away my power cord to a live-aboard 
after Hurricane Sandy took his. Instead I use a heavy duty extension cord made 
for working on the boat in winter on the hard, w four 120vAC receptacles on one 
end and a $9 Hubbel male twist plug on the other. When I am at the dock I 
connect and power the Air Conditioner and plug in the charger, a boom box 
radio, a power strip to charge the two VHF radios, the Garmin 640, cell phones, 
and my new toy, a JBL blue tooth speaker. 

I need to upgrade my power cord, install the AC panel and get the spaghetti of 
power cords off the floor. But recently I helped the marina owner troubleshoot 
an electric water heater for the showers and learned the whole marina, 25 
slips, works from one 200amp service. There are three sportsfishermans with AC 
running, two 50 ft sailboats w two AC units each, and my little man-cave w AC 
and flat screen TV. Don't think I'll upgrade to Smart Plug this year. 

Chuck 
Resolute 
1990 C&C 34R 
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md 

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From: "G Collins via CnC-List"  
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: "G Collins"  
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 8:05:08 PM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Time for new shore power cord? 



I replaced my shore power cord with a smart plug a couple of years ago, very 
happy with it! I wrote a (positive) review for it that appeared in Good Old 
Boat a while back. Recommended! 
Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C&C 35-III #11 
On 2016-06-13 1:14 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List wrote: 


I’m probably going to replace mine — but not the cord itself. I’ve heard a lot 
of good things about SmartPlug connections and will probably just upgrade mine 
to that. 

http://www.defender.com/product3.jsp?path=-1%7C328%7C2290035%7C2290039&id=1723147
 

All the best, 

Edd 


Edd M. Schillay 
Starship Enterprise 
C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B 
City Island, NY 
Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 









On Jun 13, 2016, at 11:56 AM, Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List < 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote: 

Hi Y'all 

A couple months ago I was reading about old shore power cords and their 
resistance and how that can cause serious problems.. It turned out mine looked 
like what Don Casey warns you about.. 
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1687/26304650791_2c79e2dd60_b.jpg 

I'm glad I happened to read the article in Sail! 

Using some West reward certificates / taking advantage of an early spring sale 
(That was back in march) I was able to get some inexpensive insurance / peace 
of mind. 

The EEL model was reasonable in price and the new design plug with integrated 
led light are nice to use. 

You might want to take a good look at yours. 


-Francois Rivard 
1990 34+ "Take Five" 
Lake Lanier, GA 
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Stus-List MOB drills

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Speaking of MOB rescues, when I was in the Navy as an Officer of the Deck,
the captain would conduct unannounced MOB drills.  A couple of broomsticks
tied in an "X" with a couple of ratty old life jackets on them starred as
"Oscar", the MOB.  The captain would summon the Chief Bos'n Mate and have
him burst out of a locker on the bow and throw Oscar over the side.  A
seemingly overly alert bridge lookout would yell "Man overboard starboard
side" and we'd all have to react to rescue Oscar.

Getting the old girl, all 380+ feet and 3000 tons, turned and headed back
to Oscar was always a "delight".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Windham_County_(LST-1170)

Dennis C.
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Re: Stus-List Friday Night Rescue

[Richard N. Bush via CnC-List]

 Randy, good job; I had a very similar incident here on the Ohio River about 
three years ago when an over loaded runabout sank and we were the only boat 
near; there were 6 people on this boat, two adults and four teenagers; no one 
wearing life jackets, no one could swim and there are a ferocious current 
running; my wife and I were on my C&C 29 and threw life jackets, boat cushions 
and anything that would float at them, we rescued five of them and one adult 
nod not make it; the rescue was made even more difficult because the teenager 
only spoke Spanish,,,which I didn't!The Police and rescue gave my wife  and 
I a commendation award, but I am still haunted by not getting every one safely 
on board...  

 


Richard
1985 C&C 37 CB; Ohio River, mile 584.4


Richard N. Bush  
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 

 

-Original Message-
From: RANDY via CnC-List 
To: cnc-list 
Cc: RANDY 
Sent: Mon, Jun 13, 2016 4:18 pm
Subject: Stus-List Friday Night Rescue



Just a little story to share with you all.


Went out for a leisure sail Friday evening with my daughter her friend, in 
Beaufort 4 or 5 conditions.  We sailed under main only, and there was a 15" 
whitecap chop on the water.  Hardly any boats on the lake, but one windsurfer 
really hauling ass.


Out in the middle of the lake, we heard some yelling, and looked around to see 
three PFD-less people standing on a small low fiberglass fishing boat that was 
going down by the stern.  I barely had time to say "shit, they're sinking."  
Next time I looked, the boat was gone, and the people were in the water amongst 
various debris.  There were no other boats in the vicinity and I realized we 
were going to have to rescue them as quickly as we could.


Started my Atomic-4 without running the blower first, luffed my main, drove to 
them, and threw out my life sling.  Had to circle them three or four times 
dragging the life sling line by them, before we could get them all pulled in 
and aboard via the swim ladder.  I missed on the first try or two just due to 
the wind and water conditions and my main flogging.  One of them was about 30 
yards from the other two, who told me to get the lone guy first.  By the time 
we got the other two aboard, they'd been in the 68-degree water probably ten 
minutes.


Dropped the main, drove to the marina, docked at the launch ramp, and called 
911 for the first guy at the request of the second one.  I think he was very 
intoxicated or high on something.  He was incoherent and unable to move his 
body well, and it wasn't from exhaustion.  Plus his friends told me to get him 
first, so they must have known something.


Anyway, couple lessons learned.  First, my life sling line was not already tied 
off with the life sling in the bag.  It should have been.  Had to tell my 
daughter's friend to tie it off before throwing it out.  Second, in all the 
chaos we forgot to give them blankets when we got them aboard.  One went below 
and my daughter gave them all towels, but they were all at least very cold if 
not in the beginning stages of hypothermia.  Third, don't expect the Chatfield 
State Park rangers to respond to a mayday hail on VHF 16 - I hailed as soon as 
I grasped what was happening, to no avail.


It was lucky that I was in the right place at the right time.  There were no 
other boats around.  These three were too far in the middle of the lake to swim 
to shore and I don't know if they could have given the conditions (including 
theirs).  And I'm glad we were able to get a line to them before having to 
witness any of them drowning.  Couldn't have done without my daughter and her 
friend (both 22-ish) - that would have been too much for me to manage alone.


After we unloaded them, filed our statements, put the boat away, and drove 
home, we toasted the good things in life with many dark & stormies and 
whitecaps.  I'd never seen anything like that before, and I hope I don't have 
to again.


Best Regards,
Randy Stafford
S/V Grenadine
C&C 30-1 #7
Ken Caryl, CO

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Re: Stus-List Friday Night Rescue

[Patrick H. Wesley via CnC-List]

Very interesting thread. I'm reasonably sure I would get my MOB back to the
boat (and we do practice, although not often enough) but am not at all sure
that I could get them back on board my 24, and believe the stats about
survival in colder waters. I have read that hoisting someone out in the
horse collar could collapse their lungs and kill them. On a larger boat
there is a triangular gear that you can lower on a halyard, slide the
person in and hoist aboard, with netting that allows water to drain away.
Or use a foresail. In fact I bought one but after a dockside dry test we
concluded that it would need a number of people to carry it out and as I
usually solo or have only two crew it isn't really an option. Maybe better
success in rescuing people from another boat, as is the subject here.

Lastly, if you do get someone back on board and they are cold you do indeed
get them to strip off and dry but I believe that in a severe case the only
way to heat them up is to strip off yourself and get in the sleeping bag
with them. I suppose that in the emergency modesty would fall by the
wayside!

Patrick Wesley, Sidney BC

On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 8:01 PM, Richard N. Bush via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Randy, good job; I had a very similar incident here on the Ohio River
> about three years ago when an over loaded runabout sank and we were the
> only boat near; there were 6 people on this boat, two adults and four
> teenagers; no one wearing life jackets, no one could swim and there are a
> ferocious current running; my wife and I were on my C&C 29 and threw life
> jackets, boat cushions and anything that would float at them, we rescued
> five of them and one adult nod not make it; the rescue was made even more
> difficult because the teenager only spoke Spanish,,,which I didn't!The
> Police and rescue gave my wife  and I a commendation award, but I am still
> haunted by not getting every one safely on board...
>
> Richard
> 1985 C&C 37 CB; Ohio River, mile 584.4
>
>
> Richard N. Bush
> 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
> Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462
> 502-584-7255
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: RANDY via CnC-List 
> To: cnc-list 
> Cc: RANDY 
> Sent: Mon, Jun 13, 2016 4:18 pm
> Subject: Stus-List Friday Night Rescue
>
> Just a little story to share with you all.
>
> Went out for a leisure sail Friday evening with my daughter her friend, in
> Beaufort 4 or 5 conditions.  We sailed under main only, and there was a 15"
> whitecap chop on the water.  Hardly any boats on the lake, but one
> windsurfer really hauling ass.
>
> Out in the middle of the lake, we heard some yelling, and looked around to
> see three PFD-less people standing on a small low fiberglass fishing boat
> that was going down by the stern.  I barely had time to say "shit, they're
> sinking."  Next time I looked, the boat was gone, and the people were in
> the water amongst various debris.  There were no other boats in the
> vicinity and I realized we were going to have to rescue them as quickly as
> we could.
>
> Started my Atomic-4 without running the blower first, luffed my main,
> drove to them, and threw out my life sling.  Had to circle them three or
> four times dragging the life sling line by them, before we could get them
> all pulled in and aboard via the swim ladder.  I missed on the first try or
> two just due to the wind and water conditions and my main flogging.  One of
> them was about 30 yards from the other two, who told me to get the lone guy
> first.  By the time we got the other two aboard, they'd been in the
> 68-degree water probably ten minutes.
>
> Dropped the main, drove to the marina, docked at the launch ramp, and
> called 911 for the first guy at the request of the second one.  I think he
> was very intoxicated or high on something.  He was incoherent and unable to
> move his body well, and it wasn't from exhaustion.  Plus his friends told
> me to get him first, so they must have known something.
>
> Anyway, couple lessons learned.  First, my life sling line was not already
> tied off with the life sling in the bag.  It should have been.  Had to tell
> my daughter's friend to tie it off before throwing it out.  Second, in all
> the chaos we forgot to give them blankets when we got them aboard.  One
> went below and my daughter gave them all towels, but they were all at least
> very cold if not in the beginning stages of hypothermia.  Third, don't
> expect the Chatfield State Park rangers to respond to a mayday hail on VHF
> 16 - I hailed as soon as I grasped what was happening, to no avail.
>
> It was lucky that I was in the right place at the right time.  There were
> no other boats around.  These three were too far in the middle of the lake
> to swim to shore and I don't know if they could have given the conditions
> (including theirs).  And I'm glad we were able to get a line to them before
> having to witness any of them drowning.  Couldn't have done without my
> daughter and her frien

Re: Stus-List Throttle and shift levers

[Bradley Lumgair via CnC-List]

My engine is the Yanmar 2GM20F and the trans is a Kanzaki km2A I think.
Brad

[X][X]
I'd rather be sailing

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Re: Stus-List Friday Night Rescue

[Aliant via CnC-List]

Here in Nova Scotia, water temperatures of 50-60's is a balmy summer day! 😀

Wayne Anstey
1974 30 mk1, Resilience
Halifax, NS, Canada

Sent from my iPad

> On Jun 13, 2016, at 8:02 PM, Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Well Done!
> 
> You were the right guy at the right time. 
> 
> I made a mental note about the blanket.  Down in Georgia we sail all year 
> long and the water does get into the 50-60's in the winter, I bought self 
> inflating PFD's for winter season racing but did not think about the blanket. 
> I need to add a blanket or 2 to my MOB bag.
> 
> Thanks for sharing. 
>   
> Francois Rivard
> 1990 34+ "Take Five"
> Lake Lanier, GA
> 
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Re: Stus-List Friday Night Rescue

[RANDY via CnC-List]

Aw heck, Richard, I'm sorry you're having to deal with that. I realized after 
the fact it would have been terrible to see one or more of those three people 
go underwater and not come back up. I confirmed with them several times that 
there were only three people on board and no dogs etc. I hope you can come to 
peace with the idea that you probably did everything you could reasonably do at 
the time and under the circumstances, and it wasn't your fault they got into 
that predicament in the first place. 

Cheers, 
Randy 

- Original Message -

From: "Richard N. Bush via CnC-List"  
To: "cnc-list"  
Cc: "Richard N. Bush"  
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 9:01:54 PM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Friday Night Rescue 

Randy, good job; I had a very similar incident here on the Ohio River about 
three years ago when an over loaded runabout sank and we were the only boat 
near; there were 6 people on this boat, two adults and four teenagers; no one 
wearing life jackets, no one could swim and there are a ferocious current 
running; my wife and I were on my C&C 29 and threw life jackets, boat cushions 
and anything that would float at them, we rescued five of them and one adult 
nod not make it; the rescue was made even more difficult because the teenager 
only spoke Spanish,,,which I didn't! The Police and rescue gave my wife and I a 
commendation award, but I am still haunted by not getting every one safely on 
board... 

Richard 
1985 C&C 37 CB; Ohio River, mile 584.4 


Richard N. Bush 
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine 
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255 


-Original Message- 
From: RANDY via CnC-List  
To: cnc-list  
Cc: RANDY  
Sent: Mon, Jun 13, 2016 4:18 pm 
Subject: Stus-List Friday Night Rescue 

Just a little story to share with you all. 

Went out for a leisure sail Friday evening with my daughter her friend, in 
Beaufort 4 or 5 conditions. We sailed under main only, and there was a 15" 
whitecap chop on the water. Hardly any boats on the lake, but one windsurfer 
really hauling ass. 

Out in the middle of the lake, we heard some yelling, and looked around to see 
three PFD-less people standing on a small low fiberglass fishing boat that was 
going down by the stern. I barely had time to say "shit, they're sinking." Next 
time I looked, the boat was gone, and the people were in the water amongst 
various debris. There were no other boats in the vicinity and I realized we 
were going to have to rescue them as quickly as we could. 

Started my Atomic-4 without running the blower first, luffed my main, drove to 
them, and threw out my life sling. Had to circle them three or four times 
dragging the life sling line by them, before we could get them all pulled in 
and aboard via the swim ladder. I missed on the first try or two just due to 
the wind and water conditions and my main flogging. One of them was about 30 
yards from the other two, who told me to get the lone guy first. By the time we 
got the other two aboard, they'd been in the 68-degree water probably ten 
minutes. 

Dropped the main, drove to the marina, docked at the launch ramp, and called 
911 for the first guy at the request of the second one. I think he was very 
intoxicated or high on something. He was incoherent and unable to move his body 
well, and it wasn't from exhaustion. Plus his friends told me to get him first, 
so they must have known something. 

Anyway, couple lessons learned. First, my life sling line was not already tied 
off with the life sling in the bag. It should have been. Had to tell my 
daughter's friend to tie it off before throwing it out. Second, in all the 
chaos we forgot to give them blankets when we got them aboard. One went below 
and my daughter gave them all towels, but they were all at least very cold if 
not in the beginning stages of hypothermia. Third, don't expect the Chatfield 
State Park rangers to respond to a mayday hail on VHF 16 - I hailed as soon as 
I grasped what was happening, to no avail. 

It was lucky that I was in the right place at the right time. There were no 
other boats around. These three were too far in the middle of the lake to swim 
to shore and I don't know if they could have given the conditions (including 
theirs). And I'm glad we were able to get a line to them before having to 
witness any of them drowning. Couldn't have done without my daughter and her 
friend (both 22-ish) - that would have been too much for me to manage alone. 

After we unloaded them, filed our statements, put the boat away, and drove 
home, we toasted the good things in life with many dark & stormies and 
whitecaps. I'd never seen anything like that before, and I hope I don't have to 
again. 

Best Regards, 
Randy Stafford 
S/V Grenadine 
C&C 30-1 #7 
Ken Caryl, CO 
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[RANDY via CnC-List]

That's quite a ship Dennis! I can see why she wouldn't spin around on a dime 
like our C&C sailboats :) 

Cheers, 
Randy 

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From: "Dennis C. via CnC-List"  
To: "CnClist"  
Cc: "Dennis"  
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 7:49:41 PM 
Subject: Stus-List MOB drills 

Speaking of MOB rescues, when I was in the Navy as an Officer of the Deck, the 
captain would conduct unannounced MOB drills. A couple of broomsticks tied in 
an "X" with a couple of ratty old life jackets on them starred as "Oscar", the 
MOB. The captain would summon the Chief Bos'n Mate and have him burst out of a 
locker on the bow and throw Oscar over the side. A seemingly overly alert 
bridge lookout would yell "Man overboard starboard side" and we'd all have to 
react to rescue Oscar. 

Getting the old girl, all 380+ feet and 3000 tons, turned and headed back to 
Oscar was always a "delight". 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Windham_County_(LST-1170) 

Dennis C. 


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