[e-gold-list] CASHCARDS PROBLEMS: BIG SCAM PREPARED !!! BEWARE !!!
Hi all, Since the problems with the green cashcards that started back in month of June 2003, Vcash and cashcards users had hard times cashing out their VCash from the system. Now it became impossible and a big scam, bigger than the OSGold, Steve Renner is preparing. Since September, he is promising the new Gold Cards. Be aware! It's end of November and it should be obvious for everyone that the promised GoldCards will NEVER COME. Steve Renner just took his time and prepared well so he can run with all our money! I have $3,265 in my VCash account and I tried to cash it out through e-gold and my account was locked. E-mails, phone calls, but no answer at all. Steve Renner is hiding and everyone of people who still have money in their Vcash accounts - all we will be his victims. The scam was prepared longtime ago, first he took out any possibility of cashing out your VCash, but constantly accepting lots of ways of getting money and selling you WORTHLESS Vcash. So once you fund your VCash account, you can kiss your money goodbye, if you try to cash them out, your account will be locked. Steve Renner takes only inexchanges, and no outexchanges. And the Gold Cards obviously are just another BIG lie. He fooled most of us, but not everyone. Anyone who has informations on Steve Renner: let's gather our informations and catch him before he decides to run to a private island in Pacific ! Sincerely yours Patrick Vehebungen --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: yet another scam e-mail
Dear Chuck, Your message is very welcome. What you've included is a typical scam-spam. I don't know if the Dear To_Complete To_Complete line is working, but that would probably become the e-gold user name and number at some point. These names and numbers are easy enough to get off the e-gold SCI. The message is definitely not from e-gold. In fact, you can see from the headers that it is from Russia, without love. Received: from be1.masterhost.ru (217.16.16.201) Furthermore, the scammer sent along a return-path: Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] You'll notice this part of the message: You must complete this process by clicking on the link below and entering your e-gold account number and password. Never, ever agree to do so. Anyone clicking on any link in any e-mail and entering their e-gold account number and password is doing something that e-gold would never request you to do. E-gold does not ask you to verify anything by clicking on a link in an e-mail and entering your account number and password. Ever. This is done for your protection --- becaurse Further comment here would be silly. The actual address, while it appears to be an e-gold.com address, is actually at: Goldan.da.ru Da = yes in the Russian language. Presumably, the da.ru domain is hosting someone's account named Goldan. Vladimir Ermakov of RTcomm.ru or Vitaly Peresetsky might be persons to contact there with inquiries on this matter. It should no take them long to bring down the scam site. It shouldn't take masterhost.ru too long to pull the e-mail accounts, either. Regards, Jim http://www.gdcaonline.org/ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: yet anouther scam e-mail
Not too bright since the Russian re-direct service they use, www.da.ru, puts their URL in a black bar at the bottom of the page. - John --- http://cambist.net From: mlmstuff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 10:17:13 -0400 To: e-gold Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [e-gold-list] yet anouther scam e-mail Just got this one, I havent clicked the link but I would say this is not from E-Gold, I've also put the header info here for all you who like to trace such things :-) Chuck --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Warning! - New egold scam email going around.
For more information it is posted on the Get Paid Forum. http://www.getpaidforum.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=70199 --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Here is another scam letter!
Dear all, Below is another scam letter that was sent in to my inbox. Please be careful and don't reply to the similar messages. Yours, Bob Pavonia Subject: Your e-gold account has been disabled From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear e-gold member, we are sorry to inform you that we had to disable your account. After many unsuccessfull login attempts to your account, we shut it down to prevent any type of security breach to your account and our servers. Please use this link https://www.e-gold.com/ssl/cgi-bin/websrc=cmd?=_l2ej33 to Log In to your account using our SSL security server. Sincerely, Thomas Cooks https://www.e-gold.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: E-Gold Scam Alert.. Yet another one !!
They are also trying to get Commonwealth Bank of Australia account details. The ISP where the IP is hosted does NOT want complaints about this IP listing. They dont seem to care that they have a scammer on them. I got two emails, to two seperate email accounts, both from Roger.com IP's, both open proxies. If you get one of these emails, dont touch it, delete it or report it as spam. If you are wanting to go at the hosting company, here are there details: [EMAIL PROTECTED] OrgName:3DWizards OrgID: 3DW Address:6810 New Tampa Hwy City: Lakeland StateProv: FL PostalCode: 33815 Country:US NetRange: 64.46.96.0 - 64.46.127.255 CIDR: 64.46.96.0/19 NetName:DATACOLO-BLK-1 NetHandle: NET-64-46-96-0-1 Parent: NET-64-0-0-0-0 NetType:Direct Allocation NameServer: DNS1.DATACOLO.COM NameServer: DNS2.DATACOLO.COM Comment:ADDRESSES WITHIN THIS BLOCK ARE NON-PORTABLE RegDate:2001-05-14 Updated:2001-12-20 TechHandle: ZD58-ARIN TechName: DataColo TechPhone: +1-863-859-0799 TechEmail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: tntexchange is SCAM. How to get my money back?
Why did you send the e-gold? :-) Are they on golddirectory.com? NO! Then is your problem! Dear, I redeem $1,900.00 from my e-gold to WU from www.tntexchange.com. But I do not receive cash via WU. They go away with my money. Can you tell me how to get my money back? I will give you 10% of $1,900.00 if you help me. My email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank you --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Is www.gold2cash.net a scam?
I have another question: Are those reliable and serious? Or just another scams like the big scam named www.incrementalgold.com? I am asking about: www.gold2cash.net and www.gold2cash.com Are these scams ? I mean: do they give you what they promise or they just take your egold and run? I ask because the first one looks like a scam. I found no company in Luxembourg that ever heard of them. But you know better than me, and I hope you can help me through this e-gold chaos. I hope you can help. Regards! Bruno _ WORLDWORX: http://www.worldworx.net/ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: New email scam warning
The problem and ' that this email to also have had and it seemed perfect and therefore I have made the login and therefore I/you/they have been stolen of my passhare and of 19 $. Nevertheless what I mean to you and ' that somehow you can stop this person and to remove mine to them 19$ and to give them to me to me. Besides you could avoid simply these problems telling all the members E-gold with an email that he/she spoke of this very cunning HACKER. Being one law of mine to have my money. The guilt and ' above yours that tell in this forum only! ! ! I wait for an answer. Regards - Member Password : --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: New email scam warning
-- On 30 Dec 2002 at 10:41, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The problem and ' that this email to also have had and it seemed perfect and therefore I have made the login and therefore I/you/they have been stolen of my passhare and of 19 $. If I understand you correctly, you seem to be saying that you were caught by one of these fraudulent letters that solicit you to login on a fake e-gold site, and thus capture your account number and passphrase. And having been caught, you would like e-gold to go after the beneficiary of the attack (who has by now probably withdrawn your e-gold and that of several other suckers and cashed it in.) I wish that e-gold had created a client program, that did not reveal knowledge of the passphrase to a possibly bogus server, but instead merely proved knowledge of the secret passphrase to the server witout revealing the passphrase itself. However e-gold has so far not implemented this, perhaps fearing unforeseen software maintenance problems on many diverse platforms. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG VqAVxInNmEIMVv0TWd8dankvjkC0jfdTLeQdsNE 4DsKC93128LHH9MQfu61w1U7tivHk/p5xXdRiVqHQ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] fake e-gold scam : shutdown after 30 minutes :)
I want to congratulate ONESTOP.NET: They hosted e-gold-xmas.com, whose scam email is copied below. After that I emailed their support with some short explainations, they immediately shut down the domain e-gold-xmas.com. Merry XMas ! MC -- Mariman Center www.mariman.net WebHosting - WebDesign E-gold 2003 Christmas account status Dear Mariman, E-gold administration is handling christmas check of all the e-gold account in order to correct the false database entries which are often are the way of fraud. To continue using your account you should log in and confirm the personal information you entered including phone number is correct, because we would start random phone checks soon in order to validate the identity of the account holders. If you won't visit the account to confirm the information now, it would be disabled and you would need to send the copy of your ID and utility bill by fax till the end of 2002. Please login now to confirm the identity: https://www.e-gold.com/acct/login.html [REAL link: http://www.e-gold-xmas.com/acct/login.html] Thank you for using e-gold and Merry Christmas 2002 (c) 2002 e-gold ltd. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] GOLDNOW IS A SCAM
3 complaints in one day, GREAT ! Goldnow receives IMO and had NOT funded the e-gold account, ONE MONTH after ! Goldnow debits a credit card and had NOT funded the e-gold account, FOR DAYS after ! Goldnew receives $5,000 worth of e-gold and had NOT sent any wire SEVEN DAYS after ! Goldnow, and his chief-crook GRAHAM KELLY, are SCAMMERS ! Of course, as they are currently prosecuted by the OSRecovery team in the OSGold scam ($250,000,000 alleged stolen !), GOLDNOW needs money to pay his Attorney ! Graham Kelly of Goldnow PERSONNALY KNOWS the OSGold main actor, they met one year ago in RIGA, LATVIA, in the Radisson hotel. At that date, Graham Kelly offered to OSGold the possibility to supply ANONYMOUS DEBIT CARDS, with PAREX and LATEKO banks, by large quantities. Some months after, PAREX decided to shutdown all his anonymous cards, so LATEKO was the only supplier. Some months later, LATEKO decided to shtudown his relationship with GOLDNOW and Graham Kelly. At this date, Kelly-the-crook claimed on this List LATEKO will stop all anonymous cards. That was of course false at this time, and some other Market-makers continued to successfully supply such cards from LATEKO. Why did Lateko stopped to work with Kelly ? Because they discovered that GRAHAM KELLY had been convicted for financial fraud in Australia, in 1998, by the Court of ADELAIDE. MORE TO COME ! --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] E-currencyexpress.com / icafe.com scam
-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= The Currency Registry has identified www.e-currencyexpress.com as an ICafe Scam. e-gold account number: 584869 Evocash account number: 70891 They use the same server as ICafe and the IP address is: 212.204.213.105 The Netherlands. They can be found on the www.currencyregistry.com site. B Class. -=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Yo Michael, I'll be in the Netherlands this weekend. If you can give me the name of the provider of this scammer I'll pay a visit to the local police station and have him traced down and have his provider close down his web site as those pyramid scams are highly illegal in the Netherlands. Yes, Porn is ok there, you can even smoke as many joints as you want but with gambling and pyramid schemes If the little rat was stupid enough to use a Dutch server, we'll chase him down and have him prosecuted to the maximum extend of the law. The icafe.com site is registered to Glenn Sanford and has a US address in the Networksolutions WHOis lookup. With the other domain I seem to give an error. I also tried the whois at register.com and it seems to be down. :-( (register.com sucks...) It would really give me a kick to get this little rat. Not that I am so stupid that I would fall for his little plot but would love to see his face when the police lifts him out of his bed when they raid his home... He he he... Kind regards, Martijn [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Probably a OSGOLD SCAM ..
Well i recived this in the mail - and isnt it funny how they try ...;) I think this is the beginning ;) /Patrik... ** Second letter from them - his first name was John. Anyway - it comes from a Armenian network : IP : 217.113.9.93 - Nodename: 3.9.113.217.auto.web.am -YereVan-Armenia - Company name Dolphin AM First letter and header Received: from dolphin.am (141.1.113.217.auto.web.am [217.113.1.141] (may be forged)) by mybizniz.net (8.11.6) id g68FBu670448 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 09:12:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dolphin.am [217.113.9.93] by dolphin.am [217.113.9.66] with SMTP (MDaemon.PRO.v5.0.5.R) for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 08 Jul 2002 20:10:36 +0500 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-EM-Version: 6, 0, 1, 0 X-EM-Registration: #00F06206106618006920 X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: John [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: I sell my osgold for egold minus 15% commission! Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 20:10:52 +0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MDRemoteIP: 217.113.9.93 X-Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-UIDL: ;@h!g/D!!WQ+!!?*C! SECOND LETTER...and header... Received: from dolphin.am (141.1.113.217.auto.web.am [217.113.1.141] (may be forged)) by mybizniz.net (8.11.6) id g6BBJw258108 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 05:20:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dolphin.am [217.113.9.72] by dolphin.am [217.113.9.66] with SMTP (MDaemon.PRO.v5.0.5.R) for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 16:17:29 +0500 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-EM-Version: 6, 0, 1, 0 X-EM-Registration: #00F06206106618006920 X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: James [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: I purchase any amount of osgold for egold Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 16:17:27 +0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MDRemoteIP: 217.113.9.72 X-Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-UIDL: c0!!?a!!\L#!_A! Sir/Madam, This isn't manipulation but honest business. As you know temporary osgold stops exchanges between osgold and egold. However, in a time interval ( nobody knows when?) they will restore their activity. But some people need money just now! And I need osgold for my investment programs based mostly on osgold payments. Namely therefore I purchase as much osgold as possible. I have elaborated my procedures which are as follows: 1) you send me your osgold on $1000 on my osgold account 10062329; 2)you send me your e-gold account; 3)after recognizing your paid osgold I pay you $700 on your e-gold account. We can repeat this reliable transaction as many times as you can afford. All payments are registered in the history of the corresponding account. Thus nobody can cheat. Regards James Thomson --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] re: Escrow-Gold SCAM WARNING!
I agree with Vlad 100%! We have also been notified of another so-called escrow site that looks very fishy: http://www.faster-escrows.com/index.html Please be careful, this is almost certainly a SCAM. Sidd. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 6:20 pm Subject: [e-gold-list] re: Escrow-Gold Just visited this site, www.escrow-gold.com. I give you 100% that it is another scam operation, . snip - Would you like to receive faxes to your personal email address? You can with mBox. Visit http://www.mbox.com.au/fax --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] DAILYGOLD IS A SCAM!!!
A brief history: 1 - On 05/17/2001 I paid for my card. It was supposed to be a Stantard Reserve Card or similar. 5/17/01 05:24 Payment Made 2617531 Gold -0.440529 273680 120.00 US$ 272.40 To: Daily Gold Memo: ID # AB1312 / Mario Tamaki 2 - Only on 07/05/2001 I received my card and a great surprise! It was a CashLynk card (https://www.cashlynk.com/). This card is cheaper than SR (it costs about 1/3) and is impossible to be funded by e-gold, so, I can't use it! 3 - Of course, I wrote many times (7 times) to DailyGold admin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]), asking for explanations and to refund my $120 and I never got an answer. 4 - Searching for dailygold.net at http://www.allwhois.com/ I found: [To Elwyn Jenkins, CEO Standard Transactions (BVI) Limited: what about a response?] dailygold.net Request: dailygold.net Paradot Investments Limited, LLC 3481 Lakeside Drive #2902 Atlanta, GA 30326 US Domain Name: DAILYGOLD.NET Administrative Contact: Elwyn Jenkins[EMAIL PROTECTED] Paradot Investments Limited, LLC 3481 Lakeside Drive #2902 Atlanta, GA 30326 US Phone- 404 219 2252 Fax- 404 816 8372 Technical Contact: Loryn Jenkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] Paradot Investments, LLC 6294 Poplar Bluff Circle Norcross, GA 30092 US Phone- 678 230 9373 Fax- Record updated on 2001-02-03 00:00:00. Record created on 2001-02-03. Record expires on 2003-02-03. Database last updated on 2001-08-16 06:01:23 EST. Domain servers in listed order: NS.RACKSPACE.COM 207.235.16.2 NS2.RACKSPACE.COM 207.71.44.121 Mario Tamaki unfortunated DailyGold member # AB1312 --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Did you know that e-gold Ltd. stores more gold on behalf of customers than many countries? See http://www.gold.org/Gra/Gra1.htm and the e-gold Examiner at http://www.e-gold.com/examiner.html for details.
[e-gold-list] Is this a scam?
It looks to me like someone is doing a very bad scam on Yahoo. There is an
egold club hosted on Yahoo that makes the following statement:
Hi, I'm Douglas Jackson Founder of E-GOLD.COM this is my E-GOLD Club you
enter here and instantly DOUBLE your E-GOLD. ONLY FOR TODAY Follow the Link
When you follow the link, it looks like it takes you to the egold front page
through some kind of proxy. I'm not a techi, but it looks like this is a
clever way to get your account number and password, and maybe there are some
other bad things it does that some of the technically inclined here can
figure out. If you want to check it out, here is the url for this club:
http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/egolddoubleyourmoneynow
I think egold had better look into this, and if its a fake, and I'm sure it
is, get Yahoo to take this down right now.
John
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[e-gold-list] Proportion of HYIP scam to legitimate transactions
-- From: Julian Dibbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: e-gold Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [e-gold-list] Those mysterious microspends Date: Saturday, 28 July 2001 9:54 AM SNIP 2. More generally, what portion of the total value and number of daily e-gold spends would you guess is generated by the HYIP economy (cash-flow games, investments, investment advice, etc.)? Claude Cormier recently put the number at around 90%, if I understood him correctly; JP May I think said something to the effect that the percentage is an overwhelming majority. Do those statements reflect a consensus? SNIP If my disagreement prevents such a 'consensus' then so be it. How would either Claude or JP know the amount of business actually conducted by scams compared to legitimate business and personal transactions? e-gold transactions are private. One can only guess who is doing how much business. I don't ask them, but certainly no one I transact with tells me they use e-gold only to participate in a ponzi scheme (or whatever they may call it). JP suggests that Tara's Virtual Studio, and The Gold Casino are nearly the only decent businesses in this market, but I'm sure that with up to USD$4 million per day now being transacted (and having grown to this steadily and strongly over a period of years), there are many business and personal transactions being conducted that the highly esteemed Claude Cormier and JP May do not know about. Regards, Ian Green http://two-cents-worth.com/?107242 --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Did you know that the new e-gold Secure Random Keypad can help you to protect your passphrase from both keystroke mouse- click sniffing trojan viruses? You can find out more about computer security at: http://www.cert.org/tech_tips/home_networks.html
[e-gold-list] Re: e-mail scam warning
Think someone is testing the gulability of folks: Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from hotmail.com (dav46.law15.hotmail.com [64.4.22.18]) by bering.weg.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA25934 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 12:44:44 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 13:44:20 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [194.177.224.111] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Notification from e-gold Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 23:50:05 +0300 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jun 2001 20:44:20.0695 (UTC) Since when does E-Gold use hotmail? --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: e-mail scam warning
At 04:01 PM 6/19/01 -0500, Paul Ewing wrote: I just got that message. It is interesting that they used HTML mail to disguise the link to look like it is going to e-gold's domain. Looks like a lurker is using this list to gather email addresses to use in their scams. Dunno. I hadn't been on this list for a year or more, and I got one recently (a couple of weeks ago) as well. After a brain fart I entered my info, but fortunately I'd gotten the passphrase wrong. After that I realized it must have been a scam. I did end up recalling my passphrase correctly, thank goodness. -- Chris Goodwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Latest Nigerian Oil Scam variant. Re: Safe Secure Investment
I just thought I had better let people know about the latest scam e-mail I have received. In a variation on the Nigerian Oil Scam, this letter arrived purporting to be from the third son of the recently assassinated President of the Democratic Republic of Congo (Luarent(sic) Kabila), who, having escaped to South Africa, got my Free-Market.net email address (!) allegedly from the Johannesburg Chamber of Commerce (I'm sure they have never heard of me), and wants to pay me (or you) 15% to transfer USD$25M out of South Africa, allowing a further 10% for transaction costs, and offering to invest the remainder in any high yield business I may nominate! Another scam for the suckers. But now you (e-gold list members) have been warned, ... so you now have no excuse. - Ian Green Direct Democracy Forum http://ao.com.au/ddf/ http://www.DirectDemocracyForum.com/ http://www.egroups.com/list/ddf/ "Every person a member of the legislature!" -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Glencannon Group Ltd. Sent: Tuesday, 27 March 2001 12:58 AM To: e-gold Discussion Subject: [e-gold-list] Re: Safe Secure Investment DERRR. What a surprise. I think I am going to have to go back and see how many people will put money into my account in exchange for my deep desire to return it to the sender! What a fine clientele e-gold attracts. On Sat, 24 Mar 2001 08:34:45 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi: Does anyone know anything about Safe Secure Investments? I was making spends into their investments (GAMES?) in January. All of a sudden their name web site was removed from the Internet along with all of the money SNIP --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Latest Nigerian Oil Scam variant. Re: Safe Secure Investment
I just thought I had better let people know about the latest scam e-mail I have received. In a variation on the Nigerian Oil Scam, this letter arrived purporting to be from the third son of the recently assassinated President of the Democratic Republic of Congo (Luarent(sic) Kabila), who, having escaped to South Africa, got my Free-Market.net email address (!) allegedly from the Johannesburg Chamber of Commerce (I'm sure they have never heard of me), and wants to pay me (or you) 15% to transfer USD$25M out of South Africa, allowing a further 10% for transaction costs, and offering to invest the remainder in any high yield business I may nominate! Another scam for the suckers. But now you (e-gold list members) have been warned, ... so you now have no excuse. - Ian Green Direct Democracy Forum http://ao.com.au/ddf/ http://www.DirectDemocracyForum.com/ http://www.egroups.com/list/ddf/ "Every person a member of the legislature!" -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Glencannon Group Ltd. Sent: Tuesday, 27 March 2001 12:58 AM To: e-gold Discussion Subject: [e-gold-list] Re: Safe Secure Investment DERRR. What a surprise. I think I am going to have to go back and see how many people will put money into my account in exchange for my deep desire to return it to the sender! What a fine clientele e-gold attracts. On Sat, 24 Mar 2001 08:34:45 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi: Does anyone know anything about Safe Secure Investments? I was making spends into their investments (GAMES?) in January. All of a sudden their name web site was removed from the Internet along with all of the money SNIP --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: E-gold scam survey
You have proven my point. Instead of hiring additional accounting staff to handle the complications of foreign currency transactions (which I suspect they did too), they hired a programer to write a complex program to handle the calculations. That means spending money to handle a transactions. I am not saying that e-gold is impossible to use for large companies. I am saying that there would need to be some economic motivation to justify the extra expense. In your company's case, they must do enough foreign currency transactions to justify the expense of revamping their accounting department software and personel. In order to effectively use e-gold a company would have to do similar actions. I don't think e-gold gives such economic motivation to any but pyramid schemes. On Wed, 20 Dec 2000 21:12:53 -0600, Craig Haynie wrote: But if you are big company that does 1000s of transactions a day, e-gold would drive your accounting department bonkers. And they just can't ignore it and hope the IRS doesn't find out. I disagree again. Take the company I work for: $200 million a year, using about 6 different currencies every day. However, I wrote the billing software for them, and the accounting software they use is designed to work with multiple currencies. I won't go on any further, but I simply do NOT see the problem. E-Gold transactions are just data, and the manipulation of data can be automated. Indeed, it's the smaller companies that may have a harder time, but the larger ones won't even blink. Sincerely, Craig --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Glencannon Group Ltd. http://www.glencannongroup.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] (for a more secure email) fax: 419-710-4339 _*_*_*_*_ For an e-gold funded Debit Card: http://www.glencannongroup.com/genucap/ ___ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: E-gold scam survey
My point, taken to extremes, is to use the mass (not weight) of gold, so that even a budding moon colony or space craft will not feel disenfranchised. Mass is not relative to anything I know of and can't be messed with by governments. Time for the nit harvesting. A gram is a measure of mass, not weight. 1 gram of gold has the same mass on earth, the moon, a small asteroid, a black hole, etc... Mass is the most basic explanation of how much (gold) is that? While it may weigh 22lbs on Earth, and only 1/100th of an ounce on a orbiting spaceship, it always masses 10kg. Viking Coder --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: E-gold scam survey
True if you hold the e-gold, its ok. But if you use there is a question. And if you cash out, your screwed. It is just too much accounting work to tolerate. That is why no legitimate tax paying business can afford to use e-gold. It will cause their accounting departments too much headaches. It is useful for non-taxpaying entities only. And as such e-gold will always have a very limited exposure. On Wed, 20 Dec 2000 11:22:01 +1000, markab23 wrote: It could be argued that the question of capitalgain/loss does not occur unless you 'cash in' or bail out your e-gold. You are actually holding gold not a currency set against it as far as I know. Also tax offices also look at intention. If you are holding gold as a reserve or as an investment the case for capital gain/loss is clear. but if you are holding it for transactional purposes the case is no clearer than if you are using fait funds for transaction purposes which also may rise and fall in the market against other currencies. If you buy english oounds to buy something in the uk and during the transaction the pound rises suddenly have you made a capital gain? A capital gain is based on the investment of funds for into a investment body or subject which then returns a value ghigher than the original investment and only if the funds are then retrieved. This might all sound niaive and tell me if it doesnt make sense.= Original Message From [EMAIL PROTECTED] = I guess what I meant by "recognition" and as I think about it I realize it is a bad choice, is the IRS would recognize the receipt of e-gold as an income transaction and not a capital transaction. If you could treat 1.00 in e-gold as income instead of worrying about capital gains and losses, it would not be a problem. Glencannon Group Ltd. The problem isn't that receiving 1.00 in e-gold isn't considered income. The problem is that USD flucuates against 1.00 in e-gold. This is what capital gains/losses are. It is the same situation if you hold onto GBP, JPY, CHF, etc... The USD flucuates against them as well. The IRS doesn't claim that they aren't valid currencies. The only way to get rid of the capital gains/losses problem is to peg 1.00 of e-gold to x amount of USD. OR... You could just clear out your account at every possible instant. That way you can still accept e-gold, but not have the problem of capital gains/losses. Viking Coder --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Powered by http://www.telstra.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Glencannon Group Ltd. http://www.glencannongroup.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] (for a more secure email) fax: 419-710-4339 _*_*_*_*_ For an e-gold funded Debit Card: http://www.glencannongroup.com/genucap/ ___ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: E-gold scam survey
I believe e-gold will have to be treated as a commodity purchase or as a foreign currency. Either way the accounting is cost prohibitive for any but the largest of transactions, or for non-taxable entities. On Tue, 19 Dec 2000 17:47:36 -0500, CCS wrote: I guess what I meant by "recognition" and as I think about it I realize it is a bad choice, is the IRS would recognize the receipt of e-gold as an income transaction and not a capital transaction. I see. And payment of e-gold as an expense... The IRS has some rules for taxation of barter trade, altho I am not familiar with them. I expect the IRS would treat use of e-gold as a form of barter. Another (much less likely) possibility is that the IRS would treat trade in terms of e-gold just like it does the business of corporations that do substantial business in a "foreign currency". How is that handled without getting into the same problem of accounting for every single transation of a foreign branch as a foreign exchange speculation? CCS --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Glencannon Group Ltd. http://www.glencannongroup.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] (for a more secure email) fax: 419-710-4339 _*_*_*_*_ For an e-gold funded Debit Card: http://www.glencannongroup.com/genucap/ ___ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: E-gold scam survey
The issue of whether e-gold is valid currency is not the issue. It is the very fact that it might be treated as such that gives problems. And even if you cleared out the e-gold on each transaction, it is just too complex an accounting problem for serious businesses to deal with. With the caveat being tax-exempt businesses and transactions. On Tue, 19 Dec 2000 15:52:11 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess what I meant by "recognition" and as I think about it I realize it is a bad choice, is the IRS would recognize the receipt of e-gold as an income transaction and not a capital transaction. If you could treat 1.00 in e-gold as income instead of worrying about capital gains and losses, it would not be a problem. Glencannon Group Ltd. The problem isn't that receiving 1.00 in e-gold isn't considered income. The problem is that USD flucuates against 1.00 in e-gold. This is what capital gains/losses are. It is the same situation if you hold onto GBP, JPY, CHF, etc... The USD flucuates against them as well. The IRS doesn't claim that they aren't valid currencies. The only way to get rid of the capital gains/losses problem is to peg 1.00 of e-gold to x amount of USD. OR... You could just clear out your account at every possible instant. That way you can still accept e-gold, but not have the problem of capital gains/losses. Viking Coder --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Glencannon Group Ltd. http://www.glencannongroup.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] (for a more secure email) fax: 419-710-4339 _*_*_*_*_ For an e-gold funded Debit Card: http://www.glencannongroup.com/genucap/ ___ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: E-gold scam survey
Craig Haynie wrote: Each transaction should be listed as a purchase or a sale of e-gold! You can list the item purchased or sold in the memo field. If I buy $1000 US in [snip] Maybe you should consider tracking your transactions in grams instead of dollars. If you are basing your business on E-Gold, then you should be using grams as your base currency. The dollar value of your transactions becomes mute. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: E-gold scam survey
Maybe you should consider tracking your transactions in grams instead of dollars. If you are basing your business on E-Gold, then you should be using grams as your base currency. The dollar value of your transactions becomes mute. I think you're missing the point. At the end of the year, you are going to have to compute the capital gains tax on each transaction. If you are liable for US taxes, then you have to keep a record in US dollars. The dollar will only become 'mute' when the IRS accepts gold as payment, (or the capital gains tax is eliminated :) ) Craig --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: E-gold scam survey
BINGO! On Wed, 20 Dec 2000 14:06:17 -0600, Craig Haynie wrote: Maybe you should consider tracking your transactions in grams instead of dollars. If you are basing your business on E-Gold, then you should be using grams as your base currency. The dollar value of your transactions becomes mute. I think you're missing the point. At the end of the year, you are going to have to compute the capital gains tax on each transaction. If you are liable for US taxes, then you have to keep a record in US dollars. The dollar will only become 'mute' when the IRS accepts gold as payment, (or the capital gains tax is eliminated :) ) Craig --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Glencannon Group Ltd. http://www.glencannongroup.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] (for a more secure email) fax: 419-710-4339 _*_*_*_*_ For an e-gold funded Debit Card: http://www.glencannongroup.com/genucap/ ___ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: E-gold scam survey
Of course the transactions can be tracked, but why? If I just take $100.00 I have one transaction to list, and no tracking of Cost Basis whatsoever. there needs to be strong incentive to incure this sort of inconvenience, and at this point the only incentive has been for scammers to use e-gold. Since they are breaking the law anyway, who the hell cares if they track capital gains implications of thousands of transactions. God help the people who participate in these scams however, because if the IRS ever gets wind of the potential of lost capital gains revenue, they will have a field day. On Wed, 20 Dec 2000 12:26:28 -0600, Craig Haynie wrote: I buy $1,000.00 US in e-gold. The price of gold goes down. I use $100.00 of e-gold to buy something. I now have a transaction that needs to be accounted for. In this case I will incure a capital loss, and say still have $850.00. Then someone buys something from me, and pay me in e-gold, $100.00. This is an income transaction. However, the price of e-gold goes back up to what it was when I first bought my gold. I have more or less $1,000.00. If I buy something else, what is the basis for the transaction. Each transaction should be listed as a purchase or a sale of e-gold! You can list the item purchased or sold in the memo field. If I buy $1000 US in e-gold, this goes in as an e-gold purchase, as it should. If I then SPEND $100 to Joe Blow for a used copy machine, then this goes in as a SALE of e-gold at the current exchange rate. If you want to list the copy machine as an EXPENSE, then you will need to flag the transaction in some way, as an expense, or you may need to list it on a separate line. (If you have to list it in a separate location, or on a separate line, as an expense, then I see where you're coming from. You may need to make a double-entry for all itemized expenses.) Craig --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Glencannon Group Ltd. http://www.glencannongroup.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] (for a more secure email) fax: 419-710-4339 _*_*_*_*_ For an e-gold funded Debit Card: http://www.glencannongroup.com/genucap/ ___ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: E-gold scam survey
I agree with you that all this accounting business is a horrible headache, and that is the problem. Little guys can more or less just ignore it and hope the IRS doesn't find out and if they do hope the IRS just doesn't care. But if you are big company that does 1000s of transactions a day, e-gold would drive your accounting department bonkers. And they just can't ignore it and hope the IRS doesn't find out. On Wed, 20 Dec 2000 10:12:54 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I totally see your point - and agree that is the way things should be done if we are to study and learn all the official rules. But I get a headache thinking about how inefficient the process is. In my scientific mind I just use grams. Looking at your example, who derives value from all that?? All I can see is that it supports a few bureaucracies. It provides no benefits to the company, except to help it fail. For my company, I just want to have good numbers to see where the money is going, how much I have and make a budget. That is pretty simple if using grams of gold. No worrying about currency fluctuation, inflation, deflation (well really you would - but indirectly). To take your point further, with precision, we should include inflation deflation in all our accounting on a minute to minute basis. Never mind the fact that the governments figures are widely discredited. And what type of inflation are we talking about? Financial, goods, services, M1, M3, oil, gold, all of them in a basket? The problem is all this stuff is relative to everything else and subject to differences of opinion. My point, taken to extremes, is to use the mass (not weight) of gold, so that even a budding moon colony or space craft will not feel disenfranchised. Mass is not relative to anything I know of and can't be messed with by governments. We have a global economy, despite all vested interests, efficient business evolution will eventually create a simple way to transfer value. We can either wait till someone officially says the obvious or do it ourselves. ~"Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not too simple." Albert Einstein If this post is worth 2 cents send me 2 milligrams instead: 110237 :) choose to ignore the whole thing, maintain limited records on a few odd transactions, or don't use it at all because my head is starting to hurt. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Glencannon Group Ltd. http://www.glencannongroup.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] (for a more secure email) fax: 419-710-4339 _*_*_*_*_ For an e-gold funded Debit Card: http://www.glencannongroup.com/genucap/ ___ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: E-gold scam survey
The discussion we are having concerns the issue of whether e-gold is appropriate for US companies. NOt Belize companies. If you were located in Belize, or some other tax haven this whole discussion would be irrelevant. (MAYBE - A Belize company that does business in the US is bound to observe US tax laws.) But I suspect that most users of e-gold are neither foreign residents nor US residents who have properly structured their business activities abroad. As such they are stuck with the stinking IRS! On Wed, 20 Dec 2000 12:49:11 -0500 (EST), [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At Wed, 20 Dec 2000 08:43:42 -0800 (PST), "Glencannon Group Ltd." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course accounting is a headache, and if you are small business company or individual with a small amount of transactions, you can pretty much ignore it. But if you are business doing millions of dollars in business, you can't. I thought glencannongroup was based in Belize. Are you complaining about record keeping for the Belize tax system? I am curious because this would definately take Belize off my list of locations for an IBC that does its transactions principally in e-gold. don IMPORTANT NOTICE: If you are not using HushMail, this message could have been read easily by the many people who have access to your open personal email messages. Get your FREE, totally secure email address at http://www.hushmail.com. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Glencannon Group Ltd. http://www.glencannongroup.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] (for a more secure email) fax: 419-710-4339 _*_*_*_*_ For an e-gold funded Debit Card: http://www.glencannongroup.com/genucap/ ___ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: E-gold scam survey
The dollar will only become 'mute' when the IRS accepts gold as payment I know this may sound strange, but The I.R.S cannot and will never accept gold as payment for tax. Gold and Silver is defined under US law as real money but Federal Reserve notes are not (Legal tender). If fact the IRS can not tax pure gold at all but I don't think they will let you see it that way. Vic -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Craig Haynie Sent: Thursday, 21 December 2000 09:06 a.m. To: e-gold Discussion Subject:[e-gold-list] Re: E-gold scam survey Maybe you should consider tracking your transactions in grams instead of dollars. If you are basing your business on E-Gold, then you should be using grams as your base currency. The dollar value of your transactions becomes mute. I think you're missing the point. At the end of the year, you are going to have to compute the capital gains tax on each transaction. If you are liable for US taxes, then you have to keep a record in US dollars. The dollar will only become 'mute' when the IRS accepts gold as payment, (or the capital gains tax is eliminated :) ) Craig --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] RE: E-gold scam survey
Imagine what the result would be if you searched on "money" or "make money", or "dollars"! ... at least with an exhaustive survey of the whole returned results. In the previous case the 'sample' was really 20 and the population was 2000. e-Gold is a means of exchange and a store of value that has some distinct advantages over government or bank issued/created money. Scammers and other individuals and corporations will use both, and encourage whichever is the most efficient for them. This does not mean that the tool itself is bad. If a money-making scheme seems too good to be true, it is quite likely to be so. People need to think critically and evaluate the trustworthiness of any entity they deal with. This is a need that remains from ancient times. These days, however, we through the Internet have the capacity to come into contact with many more people, with less reliable authentication than the old way of meeting them in person. For this reason it is imperative for a better development of Internet commerce that people increasingly learn to use authentication and security and to understand the exactly *who* is authenticating or verifying the individual or organisation in question. This is what "certification authorities" are for, but PGP signatures can be just as good ... if you already trust or know the other person's other contacts. Regards, Ian Green aoShop.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of CCS Sent: Tuesday, 19 December 2000 5:19 AM To: e-gold Discussion Subject: [e-gold-list] E-gold scam survey I did a little research. I did a simple search of the web for "e-gold". It returned over 3000 hits. Looking at the first 20 hits there were 4 obvious scams (and 4 other ads for internet gambling sites). If this extrapolates to the whole sample then there would be over 600 scams involving e-gold. It gives one pause. A substantial part of the growth in e-gold activity may be driven by scamsters. CCS --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: E-gold scam survey
But if you are big company that does 1000s of transactions a day, e-gold would drive your accounting department bonkers. And they just can't ignore it and hope the IRS doesn't find out. I disagree again. Take the company I work for: $200 million a year, using about 6 different currencies every day. However, I wrote the billing software for them, and the accounting software they use is designed to work with multiple currencies. I won't go on any further, but I simply do NOT see the problem. E-Gold transactions are just data, and the manipulation of data can be automated. Indeed, it's the smaller companies that may have a harder time, but the larger ones won't even blink. Sincerely, Craig --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: E-gold scam survey
The dollar will only become 'mute' when the IRS accepts gold as payment I know this may sound strange, but The I.R.S cannot and will never accept gold as payment for tax. Gold and Silver is defined under US law as real money but Federal Reserve notes are not (Legal tender). If fact the IRS can not tax pure gold at all but I don't think they will let you see it that way. Vic This is, indeed, my point. The original comment was that all e-gold transaction account should be left in 'grams'. However, US citizens are required to report all capital gains issues, and therefore they must keep a record of each e-gold transaction in US dollars, (even if they also keep a record in 'grams'). The IRS will never let them report their tax burden in 'grams'. Craig --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: E-gold scam survey
I guess what I meant by "recognition" and as I think about it I realize it is a bad choice, is the IRS would recognize the receipt of e-gold as an income transaction and not a capital transaction. If you could treat 1.00 in e-gold as income instead of worrying about capital gains and losses, it would not be a problem. On Mon, 18 Dec 2000 19:19:35 -0500, CCS wrote: You make some good points about the impracticality of using e-gold for a taxpaying business because of the difficulty of figuring out the tax consequences of so much exchange/trading activity. It doesn't matter how much money is in e-gold, it will never be "real" currency until it is recognized as such by governments. But I am not sure what you mean by government "recognition" or why that would improve the situation. Historically, currency in the United States all used to be privately issued. The reason this is no longer the case is that around the time of the Civil War a circulation tax (of 10%, if my recollection serves me right) was enacted for the purpose of driving the private issues out of circulation. [I think this was done as part of Lincoln's Civil War income tax (which was later declared unconstitutional once Lincoln let the Supreme Court justices out of prison).] The last time I checked (which admitedly was 35 years ago) this circulation tax was still on the books. So government "recognition" might only mean being subject to this tax. In any case government "recognition" would, one way or the other, mean government control that would remove all reasons to use it. Now offshore companies that are tax free, and individuals and companies that have no compunction about defying tax laws can use e-gold without too much trouble, but I can't see it being useful for everyday commerce. That's good enough for me. CCS --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Glencannon Group Ltd. http://www.glencannongroup.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] (for a more secure email) fax: 419-710-4339 _*_*_*_*_ For an e-gold funded Debit Card: http://www.glencannongroup.com/genucap/ ___ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: E-gold scam survey
It could be argued that the question of capitalgain/loss does not occur unless you 'cash in' or bail out your e-gold. You are actually holding gold not a currency set against it as far as I know. Also tax offices also look at intention. If you are holding gold as a reserve or as an investment the case for capital gain/loss is clear. but if you are holding it for transactional purposes the case is no clearer than if you are using fait funds for transaction purposes which also may rise and fall in the market against other currencies. If you buy english oounds to buy something in the uk and during the transaction the pound rises suddenly have you made a capital gain? A capital gain is based on the investment of funds for into a investment body or subject which then returns a value ghigher than the original investment and only if the funds are then retrieved. This might all sound niaive and tell me if it doesnt make sense.= Original Message From [EMAIL PROTECTED] = I guess what I meant by "recognition" and as I think about it I realize it is a bad choice, is the IRS would recognize the receipt of e-gold as an income transaction and not a capital transaction. If you could treat 1.00 in e-gold as income instead of worrying about capital gains and losses, it would not be a problem. Glencannon Group Ltd. The problem isn't that receiving 1.00 in e-gold isn't considered income. The problem is that USD flucuates against 1.00 in e-gold. This is what capital gains/losses are. It is the same situation if you hold onto GBP, JPY, CHF, etc... The USD flucuates against them as well. The IRS doesn't claim that they aren't valid currencies. The only way to get rid of the capital gains/losses problem is to peg 1.00 of e-gold to x amount of USD. OR... You could just clear out your account at every possible instant. That way you can still accept e-gold, but not have the problem of capital gains/losses. Viking Coder --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Powered by http://www.telstra.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: E-gold scam survey
It doesn't matter how much money is in e-gold, it will never be "real" currency until it is recognized as such by governments. The unfortunate fact is based on the tax code which mades every single transaction involving e-gold a capital gains or loss incurring transaction. If I buy a book that costs me $25.00, I sell so much e-gold to acquire $25.00 in currency. That transaction must be tracked along with every single e-gold transaction for potential capital gains and losses. For an individual to do so is almost impossible, but the possibility of the government really being concerned is minimal. However, for a legitimate tax paying business, (I'm not even going to think about a public company) to do business in e-gold on any other terms other than very large transactions is impossible. The complex accounting requirements would cost a company too much money to justify accepting e-gold. Now offshore companies that are tax free, and individuals and companies that have no compunction about defying tax laws can use e-gold without too much trouble, but I can't see it being useful for everyday commerce. On Mon, 18 Dec 2000 16:21:17 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: CCS wrote: I did a little research. I did a simple search of the web for "e-gold". It returned over 3000 hits. Looking at the first 20 hits there were 4 obvious scams (and 4 other ads for internet gambling sites). If this extrapolates to the whole sample then there would be over 600 scams involving e-gold. It gives one pause. A substantial part of the growth in e-gold activity may be driven by scamsters. CCS But, when total accounts, or better yet, funded accounts get up around a million, watch regular businesses sit up and take notice. ; ) What's that, about a little over a year from now for total accounts and 2+ years for funded accounts? Roughly speaking. Bob -- http://www.bearerinstruments.com http://www.bearerinstruments.com/assets/BIMDsPGPkey.txt 650C 51DA 734F 697F 5706 3D6A 7712 BCC9 D1AE 00BA --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Glencannon Group Ltd. http://www.glencannongroup.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] (for a more secure email) fax: 419-710-4339 _*_*_*_*_ For an e-gold funded Debit Card: http://www.glencannongroup.com/genucap/ ___ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: E-gold scam survey
You make some good points about the impracticality of using e-gold for a taxpaying business because of the difficulty of figuring out the tax consequences of so much exchange/trading activity. It doesn't matter how much money is in e-gold, it will never be "real" currency until it is recognized as such by governments. But I am not sure what you mean by government "recognition" or why that would improve the situation. Historically, currency in the United States all used to be privately issued. The reason this is no longer the case is that around the time of the Civil War a circulation tax (of 10%, if my recollection serves me right) was enacted for the purpose of driving the private issues out of circulation. [I think this was done as part of Lincoln's Civil War income tax (which was later declared unconstitutional once Lincoln let the Supreme Court justices out of prison).] The last time I checked (which admitedly was 35 years ago) this circulation tax was still on the books. So government "recognition" might only mean being subject to this tax. In any case government "recognition" would, one way or the other, mean government control that would remove all reasons to use it. Now offshore companies that are tax free, and individuals and companies that have no compunction about defying tax laws can use e-gold without too much trouble, but I can't see it being useful for everyday commerce. That's good enough for me. CCS --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Warning on scam using e-gold
Some throw 'mud' at those using *cash* transactions in *any currency*, making the suggestion that anyone not creating an audit trail open for viewing without a warrant by any government agency, must be dishonest! If we need to authenticate potential business partners, suppliers, or customers, then this is a task quite independent of the monetary system. If someone pays you $10 cash (or say a gram of gold), it is not for the national mint, a bank, the gold suppliers, nor e-gold to vouch for the merits of the individual or any business they may be conducting. Undoubtedly, these 'authorities' cannot effectively do that. Neither can they do so justly or morally. Some of those, particularly those living in the United States may have been so conditioned to the watchful eye of 'Big Brother' that they think it is *good* for banks to refuse to deal with anyone without an account with a US-based bank, or a s_ocial s_ecurity number, or a US street address not being a forwarding or postal address only! They think it is good for honest people to have no privacy, and that the United States government ( F_B_I, I_R_S, C_I_A ) is the legitimate authority for anyone, whether they live in the USA or not. They think it is great that the UK, USA, and Australian governments will scan all email traffic for key words and read any mail matching their critera! (The underscores above are only to try to keep this conversation between ourselves as it should be, and try not to trigger their filters!) Such monetary system user approval criteria cannot be applied in a free society. They are nowadays commonly used in the United States, effectively discriminating against anyone not living in the United States, and those who have suffered the misfortune to become homeless, or even those who currently have no fixed address because they are on an extended vacation or who choose a nomadic lifestyle. There is little ethical difference between the practical exercise of the banking system as it is in the USA today, and the biblically prophesised 'Great Tribulation' prohibition against people buying or selling unless they have the Mark of the Beast in their hand or their forehead! Let's not destroy the benefits of e-gold by making it anything short of being a form of *cash* or *bearer* instrument! The specific problems that some people have had (in supplying e-gold for credit card transactions) reveals problems with *credit card* user authentication, or with a vendor directly verifying their customer. It does not create a need for the introduction of banking-type controls into the e-gold system. The trademark infringement (by "FastEgold.com") angle another suggested may be a good way for e-gold to handle this (if they feel violated). I have not visited the site or the delphi forum discussion http://www.delphi.com/scamfreeclub/start/ ) , so I have no comment to make about whatever 'http://FastEgold.com/' are doing. (Except to say that the name of "scamfreeclub" has about as much credibility in my mind as the spams I receive that claim "this is not spam", just as the idea of "Make Money Fast" is usually (if not always) really "Lose Money Fast"!) Regards, Ian Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] Managing Director Alpha Omega Computers Pty Ltd http://ao.com.au aoShop.com, Inc. http://aoShop.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of jeff Sent: Saturday, 14 October 2000 7:01 AM To: e-gold Discussion Subject: [e-gold-list] Re: Warning on scam using e-gold SNIP What policy will you create to identify and block scammers? Ask for ID, bank accounts, create sophisticated algorithms, ask for business plans? SNIP --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Warning on scam using e-gold
gary, we'll have disagree here. This usage of e-gold can only add bad PR to the e-gold name. e-gold should take action to prevent the use of their system by these scams, and this is a scam no matter what your definition of ethics happens to be. I hope your defensive statements are not based on your personal involvement in something like this. gary wrote: Whether or not this is a "scam" depends on your definition of "scam". It is a pyramid and that is actually pretty well explained on the web site, anyone entering these programs who doesn't know how they work needs to stay off their computers. It is just a form of gambling, for you to win, someone else must lose and that's how gambling works. I don't see why e-gold needs to be "protected" from these programs, e-gold is just a payment service and should stay out of account holder's business. There is more than enough of that BS going on with banks these days. Besides, if e-gold got "protected" from all of these sorts of programs, they would lose at least 75% of their business, if not more. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "e-gold Discussion" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 2:36 AM Subject: [e-gold-list] Warning on scam using e-gold It appears that someone is once again using e-gold for a 'gifting' club scam. This is disquised as a loan program, but without any hope of refund. This surfaced at the Scam Free Club website and I am reporting it here in hopes that someone at e-gold might take action. This is the URL: http://www.FastEgold.bizland.com/ We have to stop things like this to protect the name of e-gold! David Brooks TWP Marketing [EMAIL PROTECTED] _NetZero Free Internet Access and Email__ http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Warning on scam using e-gold
Whether or not I am involved is irrelevant, the question is whether or not a payment service should become a policeman. If a payment service starts "policing" the account holders, where do you draw the line and by whose word is something a "scam" or just undesirable? If you wish to become the world's policeman and save all the people from themselves, you are welcome to that role. I, for one, do not want to become like our socialist leaning government who is, "just here to help you". Perhaps some form of legitimacy should be ascertained. Paypal now requires all of their verified users to have verified bank accounts, else they face both small spending ($250) and small receiving ($500) limits. With the assumption that people in good standing with other financial institutions does help eliminate most of the scam artists, then they can lower their incidence of fraud. While it is not in E-Gold's best interest, (or even within their ability), to be the police, the judge, and the jury, on charges of fraud, it certainly is in their best interest to try to prevent as many people as possible from using their system in a fraudulent fashion. Their reputation will ultimately be at stake if people start to believe that irreputable people regularly use their payment system. Craig --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Warning on scam using e-gold
the e-gold name. e-gold should take action to prevent the use of their system by these scams, What action do you propose? How is it applied fairly and consistently in a low overhead fashion? I have been scammed officially about 4 annoying times, but also many little times by myself. Like putting extra hours in at work for no good reason, not standing up for a full refund, etc. When I learn from them, I am able to avoid similar things. This is important because I am a natural sucker! Someone once asked me, "did you know the word 'gullible' is not in the dictionary?" I replied, "Your kidding!" As I stop looking for a free meal and start standing up for myself, the frequency of being suckered has decreased dramatically. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Warning on scam using e-gold
At 7:28 AM -0700 10/13/00, jeff wrote: As I stop looking for a free meal and start standing up for myself, the frequency of being suckered has decreased dramatically. Now there's a powerful statement! It's awesome to see someone exhibiting some personal responsibility. My hat is off to you Jeff. Why anyone wants the "policing" of e-gold and its use completely baffles me. Maybe everyone would like to start paying an e-gold "tax" to the people who start policing the use of e-gold. There's a good idea! I personally will make myself head of the e-gold gestapo. Also, while we're busy crippling the freedom that makes e-gold so refreshing, maybe we can get e-gold to closely monitor our accounts. Perhaps they can start investigating, logging and reporting (to the e-gold gestapo) any transaction over 3/4 a kilo. Of course if you are suspected of structuring or using "dirty" e-gold, your e-gold will be seized with no personal recourse. "That wouldn't happen!" "It doesn't have to be that way!" Get real. You're either free or you're not. There's something inherent in the expression "free market currency." http://www.dictionary.com/cgi-bin/dict.pl?term=free Again, I don't condone the use of e-gold in scams or fraud. However, if you're a big enough idiot to jump into the bottom of a pyramid scheme, then you deserve to lose your gold. What exactly are we trying to protect people from here? Stupidity? Personal responsibility? 99.9% of the the e-gold scams are clearly marked if you're not an idiot. If you're leery about a particular e-gold "vendor" then ask around. Develop relationships with people. There are plenty of market makers that I trust 100% for instance. I am not worried about being scammed or seeing my e-gold disappear for extended or even short periods of time. I digress. Just be careful what you ask for. Mike --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Warning on scam using e-gold
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 13-Oct-00 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: gary, we'll have disagree here. This usage of e-gold can only add bad PR to the e-gold name. e-gold should take action to prevent the use of their system by these scams, and this is a scam no matter what your definition of ethics happens to be. I hope your defensive statements are not based on your personal involvement in something like this. While I haven't seen the website, and so don't know how they explain whatever it is that they are doing, I have a question for you: Wouldn't the definition of "scam" be based on the involvement of fraud? It may be that you are extremely unlikely to ever see your money again (I don't know), but I'd think that the important question is whether they promised something that they don't deliver. - -- Randall Randall ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). Crypto key: www.freedomspace.net/~wolfkin/crypto.text On a visible but distant shore, a new image of man; The shape of his own future, now in his own hands.-- Johnny Clegg. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjnnJ/EACgkQEYd5yrgsutqfdwCggnPigkOSlL0jT1cTGGTS22wb MJwAoKVnt8fuet2RCzFuCBXeeVE85hVE =KIJK -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Warning on scam using e-gold
Lots of people believe that many irreputable people use "offshore" banks but, this doesn't keep those banks from being VERY popular with other people. - Original Message - From: "Craig Haynie" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "e-gold Discussion" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 10:01 AM Subject: [e-gold-list] Re: Warning on scam using e-gold Whether or not I am involved is irrelevant, the question is whether or not a payment service should become a policeman. If a payment service starts "policing" the account holders, where do you draw the line and by whose word is something a "scam" or just undesirable? If you wish to become the world's policeman and save all the people from themselves, you are welcome to that role. I, for one, do not want to become like our socialist leaning government who is, "just here to help you". Perhaps some form of legitimacy should be ascertained. Paypal now requires all of their verified users to have verified bank accounts, else they face both small spending ($250) and small receiving ($500) limits. With the assumption that people in good standing with other financial institutions does help eliminate most of the scam artists, then they can lower their incidence of fraud. While it is not in E-Gold's best interest, (or even within their ability), to be the police, the judge, and the jury, on charges of fraud, it certainly is in their best interest to try to prevent as many people as possible from using their system in a fraudulent fashion. Their reputation will ultimately be at stake if people start to believe that irreputable people regularly use their payment system. Craig --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Why pay for something you could get for free? NetZero provides FREE Internet Access and Email http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Warning on scam using e-gold
I have not read the other messages, but I think this comment is very wrong headed. Offshore banks are just banks in "other jurisdictions". I live in Belize, and banks here are not offshore for me. There are many advantages to using offshore banks which include confidentiality, greater professionalism (sometimes), better investment results, and if properly structured tax savings. If this comment is linked to E-gold being perceived as an "offshore bank" or some similar entity, well all I have to say is way to go. I have had a profound distrust of the e-gold specifically because it was so physically linked to the US. On Fri, 13 Oct 2000 10:31:41 -0500, Craig Haynie wrote: Lots of people believe that many irreputable people use "offshore" banks but, this doesn't keep those banks from being VERY popular with other people. Perhaps, but do you really want e-gold to be seen the same way that people see offshore banks? I don't. Craig --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Glencannon Group Ltd. http://www.glencannongroup.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] (for a more secure email) fax: 419-710-4339 ___ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Warning on scam using e-gold
I have not read the other messages, but I think this comment is very wrong headed. Offshore banks are just banks in "other jurisdictions". I live in Belize, and banks here are not offshore for me. There are many advantages to using offshore banks which include confidentiality, greater professionalism (sometimes), better investment results, and if properly structured tax savings. If this comment is linked to E-gold being perceived as an "offshore bank" or some similar entity, well all I have to say is way to go. I have had a profound distrust of the e-gold specifically because it was so physically linked to the US. On Fri, 13 Oct 2000 10:31:41 -0500, Craig Haynie wrote: Lots of people believe that many irreputable people use "offshore" banks but, this doesn't keep those banks from being VERY popular with other people. Perhaps, but do you really want e-gold to be seen the same way that people see offshore banks? I don't. Craig --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Glencannon Group Ltd. http://www.glencannongroup.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] (for a more secure email) fax: 419-710-4339 ___ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Warning on scam using e-gold
What I suggest is that e-gold corp. recognise a potentially bad PR situation. I do not want e-gold to get the reputation of supporting scam operations. There is only so much one individual can do to counteract this, it is up to the corporate side to see the problem and act to distance themselves and their name. My point is that if we and e-gold do nothing, then the reputation will kill both of our businesses. I'm asking for others to see the problem and join in asking e-gold to protect themselves before it gets out of hand. You are welcome to disagree with me, so long as you don't support scamming via e-gold. Dave Brooks the e-gold name. e-gold should take action to prevent the use of their system by these scams, What action do you propose? How is it applied fairly and consistently in a low overhead fashion? --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Warning on scam using e-gold
We all recognize the potential bad PR. But what should be done about it? I like someone's idea to come up with 'respectable' ways that use e-gold (I am working on one). But even that: define respectable. I don't like gambling too much, but some friends like to blow $500 in Vegas. They stop at $500 and feel it is worth it because they have a lot of fun. How do you define scam? Some would argue that the current US stock market is one big scam, along with the federal reserve. Yet they are highly respected (by the majority). How does e-gold 'act' to reduce those using scams. There were 4,500 spends in the last 24 hours. How do you make sure none of those are scams? What I find interesting is the call for corporate (the leaders) to do something, namely modify peoples behavior. It has never worked (in the long term). Go to a local (USA) library and ask to see the actual books of local and state laws. They will show you room after room after room. Despite all these laws there is still plenty of crime. So now lets say you are the president of e-gold (I wish I were, except when the server crashes). What policy will you create to identify and block scammers? Ask for ID, bank accounts, create sophisticated algorithms, ask for business plans? How do you get people to be less gullible, or less of a parasite. The only thing I can think of that has a proven track record is the slow, hard way: educate people to educate themselves. What I suggest is that e-gold corp. recognise a potentially bad PR situation. I do not want e-gold to get the reputation of supporting scam operations. There is only so much one individual can do to counteract this, it is up to the corporate side to see the problem and act to distance themselves and their name. My point is that if we and e-gold do nothing, then the reputation will kill both of our businesses. I'm asking for others to see the problem and join in asking e-gold to protect themselves before it gets out of hand. You are welcome to disagree with me, so long as you don't support scamming via e-gold. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
