Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control?
Which goes right back to my original statement (that no one wants to understand): Mandrake needs to control the amount of change in the point releases. I've said it as many ways as I can. Ric flacycads wrote: Miark, According to Distrowatch, 9.0 uses glibc 2.2.5, and 9.1rc1 uses glibc 2.3.1. Is that incorrect? They also report gcc is upgraded to 3.2.2. Robert C. On Tuesday 25 February 2003 06:28 pm, Miark wrote: On Tue, 25 Feb 2003 15:04:51 -0500 So this is a major release, but it's numbered 9.1 because: * 9.1 uses the same glibc as 9.0. * The 9.1 binaries will be compatible with 9.0 systems, and * It still uses kernel 2.4.x Hope that helps. It made a big difference to me. Miark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control?
flacycads wrote: Yeah- I basically just use kde, and I know it takes a lot of resources. I figure with an Athlon 1700+ XP T-bred B on an Abit KX7-333 DDR mobo, I can afford a little kde eye-candy- and I like all the nice features. Never have been a Gnome fan. It's not that I'm that unhappy with linux performance, but on the rare ocassion I do boot into windows XP Pro, I do notice a real difference in computer response, then I start thinking there must be something I can do about it. This is one of the biggest mis-interpetations about M$ (mis)Operating Systems. What looks to be running faster is just a false impression. M$ pre-loads many of the libs, and the core of some programs at boot/login time. So when you double click on IE (for example), yes, it hits the screen much faster than Mozilla on Linux. But it's already half loaded. This is at the expense of the ram needed to run applications. But then M$ works under the philosophy that Ram disks are cheap. Just add more. Linux works under a very different paradigm. Sadly though, I have to totally agree with the lack of decent support for video cards. But lets face it. Linux doesn't have the wall full of games available at the local CompUSA. So there's nothing to force the developers to push on it. Until that happens, it's only going to get worse. There's just no commercial push behind it. Without that, developers will develop what they want to. Nothing more. Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control?/Is Windows faster on same machine?
Vahur Lokk wrote: On Wednesday 26 February 2003 09:39, you wrote: And don't forget the obvious Office is like 95% loaded if you use windows... compare that to loading ALL of OpenOffice. Yes here is the point. Especially when low spec boxes come into play. Old Pentium running Win9x and MSO is absolutely viable office conf running well and fast. And such boxes are very much in use around here. Now try running Linux with OpenOffice on such a box. There is absolutely no way to achieve comparable perfomance, whatever distro, kernel, window manager you run. In fact, comparing GUI loading times does not matter for me - its usually once-a-day event. But if loading times of OOo and MSO differ in minutes not seconds it is a showstopper. And no good explanation helps. Also suggestions to use something else instead of OOo monster are completely useless. And let's not loose track of the fact that speed isn't everything! How about stability, and reliabiltiy. How about security, and ease of maintenance. Yup, a race car is faster than the family mini-van. But I wouldn't drive the family to church in one. Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Enterprise OS, was Mandrake Out of Control?
Jack Coates wrote: On Tue, 2003-02-25 at 16:55, Ric Tibbetts wrote: ... Actually, I have XP running at home on a PII-333 My kids use it as their game machine. But my oldest is only 7. Their demands are low. :) Ric yeah, I was kind of annoyed when I had to replace Win98 with Win2K on the kids' game machine to get it to actually run Reader Rabbit without puking all over itself... Duron 750. chuckle Yeah, I hear ya! I tried Win2k on their box, but lost to many games (don't remember which right now. It was a while ago). So we loaded XP (ugh!). There were fewer game losses. But if I had time, I'd put 98 back on. It ran better, and ALL their games worked. But I just haven't had time... sigh... But.. This is drifting a long way from a LM discussion. :) Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control?
Anne Wilson wrote: On Wednesday 26 Feb 2003 12:53 am, Ric Tibbetts wrote: Mandrake releases X.0, X.1, X.2. Then it jumps to Y.0, Y.1, Y.2. It has nothing to do with point releases or version releases. Technically, they are ALL version releases. Which was exactly my point. Seems to me there is logic in the MandrakeSoft model, but not the logic we (and other users) expect. This is, in fact, a big problem that needs to be considered. Whether Mdksft like it or not, people expect point releases to be 'fixes' and version releases to be major. It used to be said 'Never buy any software in a .0 release', but in this context all Mandrake releases are .0 releases. This keeps it at the bleeding edge, but never quite as 'finished' as some users not only want, but need. I don't have any answers. Maybe being 'bleeding edge' is the USP of Mandrake. I only know that business decisions like this are never simple, but it is essential to keep in mind the perceptions of those outside the company. Anne Thank you Anne! Thank you! That was my point exactly! Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control?
Greg Meyer wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 26 February 2003 04:53 am, Anne Wilson wrote: Seems to me there is logic in the MandrakeSoft model, but not the logic we (and other users) expect. This is, in fact, a big problem that needs to be considered. Whether Mdksft like it or not, people expect point releases to be 'fixes' and version releases to be major. The only logic that counts is the logic they use. Same goes for definition of beta and rc. Some people want it to be different than the Mandrake definition, but it is the Mandrake definition that counts. Of course, once you understand what that is, it is easier to *take*. Perhaps, like so many others you missed the intent of the statements to start with. The problem is, Mandrake is losing out on the desktop, and server wars for a reason. The problem of every release is a .0 release, keeps the OS unstable, and shied away from because of it. The suggestions of changing the model were offered in an aire of trying to help. Not just a RANT. It used to be said 'Never buy any software in a .0 release', but in this context all Mandrake releases are .0 releases. This keeps it at the bleeding edge, but never quite as 'finished' as some users not only want, but need. Perhaps those users should use Debian than. Yup, that will really help Mandrakesoft out, now won't it? C'mon. I don't have any answers. Maybe being 'bleeding edge' is the USP of Mandrake. I only know that business decisions like this are never simple, but it is essential to keep in mind the perceptions of those outside the company. I know many say perception is reality, but some must correct thier perceptions with reality. And sometimes, people outside the company with experience in these matters can actually offer suggestions that just could help a company that is faltering. Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Mandrake Out of Control?
All; I've been watching all the threads, and excitement over the upcoming 9.1. As well as the critisizm over the rushed release dates. Just to add my .02 to it: From my point of view (and that of co-workers frieds), it really lloks like Mandrake has spun out of control. I know, it's easy to to play Armchair Quarterback, and sit outside, and see the obvious better way. But what I see happening is: 1) Mandrake is letting RedHat drive the car. They're allowing Redhat to set the release schedule. But Redhat has a very different philosophy to their releases. The biggest I see there is that Redhat does not do major content changes on a point release. They fix what's broken. Major content changes wait until the next major revison roll. As it should be. Thus meeting a 6 month release cycle is much easier. They can have the 8.x team working on bug fixes, and point releases, while having the 9.x (future development) team, working on the next full revision. Thus, neither is stressed. Mandrake on the other hand, insists on trying to match Redhats release schedule, but they're including major content changes in a point release, and they're beating themselves up trying to keep up. IMHO - Mandrake needs to settle back, and stop letting Redhat drive. They need to get control of their release cycles, and content policies. Then they can concentrate on putting out a quality release, not a fast one. 2) My biggest complaint about Mandrake: (yup.. gonna get shot at for this one) STOP BEGGING! I hate that! It seems that every time I log into their site, or try to download a fix, or get e-Mail from them, they're whining about money. Oh please subscribe to the club.. Oh please donate.. .. It's not our fault, it was the evil management we had a while back... Yeah... It's always easiest to throw darts at the old management. But I still see them making the same mistakes. Rushed releases, with too much content change to be controlable in such short cycles. They're doing no better at managing their business practices today, than they were a year ago. In fact, I had more faith in them a year ago. Now I'm just tired of releases that don't run. (I still cannot get 9.1 to run on my systems. And my boxes are not exotic!). Yup, I understand that they're trying to meet with a competitive market, and meet customer demands. But... The customer is ALWAYS going to want the latest greatest software, whether it's stable or not. And THEY WANT IT STABLE. Well, it can't always be done. Mandrake needs to learn when to say no. The general feel about Mandrake around the people, and companies I work around is not good. If a Linux box is built, it's Redhat. Why? Stable releases, Stable company. JMHO. Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] KDE3.1 for MD = 8.1?
Hello all, Will there ever be a KDE3.1 version released for 8.x? Get a grip people! This is Linux! If you want the newest software, run the new versions, OR: Go get KDE x.xx and install it yourself! How can you people continue to push Mandrake to release the newest software for old releases, AND expect them to put out new releases?!?! Yes, I agree (in part) that the release cycle is too fast. They have developed the habit of moving on to the next version, before they get the current one, up to date, and working (se my last post on this). I'm on a rant today. I see two distinct flavors of users on this list: 1) I want the latest greatest everything, all the time, on my 2 year old distro. And it better be stable. and 2) I want new versions of everything, including the OS monthly.. and it better be stable. Give Mandrakesoft a break folks. If you want to run bleeding edge, either run cooker, upgrade, or, install it yourself. Enough ranting. I have work to do. Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control?
Redhat is still i386 based. Once again, people want the world. I agree, a version optomized for each flavor of processor would be nice. But given Mandrakesofts current fiscal condition, what would you be willing to give up to get it? The only have (n) number of people, and (x) resources to throw at it. How about some community support? How about forming a community project to recompile the distro with Athlon XP, and Athlon MP optimizations? Why not another community project to build an i686 optomized verion? etc... Just a suggestion. Ric flacycads wrote: My main complaint (really about the only one) about Mandrake is that they apparently refuse to issue an Athlon-XP optimized version for retail sales, or download. However, at least you can rebuild the srpms yourself. But really, how hard can it be to recompile the entire distro for different architectures like Gentoo does, and post the iso's with an unsupported disclaimer, if need be? IMO, they will loose a lot of users if they don't. Otherwise, Mandrake is a great distro, but the bottom line is a lot of users won't even consider distros that only put out i586 optimized versions (or less) anymore. After all, fewer and fewer users are even running i586 hardware these days. Mandrake needs to get with the times. Robert Crawford On Tuesday 25 February 2003 12:15 pm, Tibbetts, Ric wrote: All; I've been watching all the threads, and excitement over the upcoming 9.1. As well as the critisizm over the rushed release dates. Just to add my .02 to it: Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] question about df
What type of filesystem are you using. Filesystems like Reiserfs tend to allocate a bunch of inodes when they're first used, and then not release them when the files are deleted. Sometimes, that will cause what you're seeing. When it needs disk space again, it will just use the already allocated inodes first. That's a very simplistic reply. But it could be what you're seeing. Ric Miark wrote: I experienced something like that recently too, but I thought it was just my imagination. I think I tried using a variation on the command to pull up fresh numbers. For instance, if I used df the first time, then I used df -h the second time. (?) Miark On Tue, 25 Feb 2003 11:50:54 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After deleting a 100 MB file, df shows no change in disk usage. Why is this so? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control?
Greg Meyer wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 25 February 2003 01:27 pm, flacycads wrote: really, how hard can it be to recompile the entire distro for different architectures like Gentoo does, and post the iso's with an unsupported disclaimer, if need be? IMO, they will loose a lot of users if they don't. Only Gentoo doesn't do it. You compile Gentoo yourself on your own box. All the distros release the source code. I still think a show of community support could take that, and compile processor specific versions... ;) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control?
Steffen Barszus wrote: On Tuesday 25 February 2003 20:42, Tibbetts, Ric wrote: Greg Meyer wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 25 February 2003 01:27 pm, flacycads wrote: really, how hard can it be to recompile the entire distro for different architectures like Gentoo does, and post the iso's with an unsupported disclaimer, if need be? IMO, they will loose a lot of users if they don't. Only Gentoo doesn't do it. You compile Gentoo yourself on your own box. All the distros release the source code. I still think a show of community support could take that, and compile processor specific versions... ;) And I think that this would be nonsense. Maybe the kernel and Multimedia apps should be recompiled but thats it. How important is a athlon-xp optimized 'ls' ? What is so athlon-xp specific beside the special instruction sets ? Which app makes really use of it ? For ix86-64 it is totally understandable, but athlon-xp ? Obviously, the project would have to be approached with some common sense. There are of course pieces that don't need to be processor specific. Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control?
Lyvim Xaphir wrote: snip IMHO - Mandrake needs to settle back, and stop letting Redhat drive. They need to get control of their release cycles, and content policies. Then they can concentrate on putting out a quality release, not a fast one. I agree on alot of what you are saying above. There are just too many parallels between RH and LM; which is not surprising since LM was originally an improved spin-off of RH. That was it's attraction in the beginning, which for me was Helios, LM61. My point (in the thread that I *think* you are referring to g) was that the distro could possibly benefit from a longer beta/cooker cycle, in the aspect that more bugzilla reports could be filed and addressed, more changes could possibly be made in UI's (if you know what I mean) among other things. What about pressed CD contracts negotiated on 8 months instead of 6? Things like that. No, not all. A 6 month release cycle is easily achievable. It just depends on what you're trying to put in the release. Keep the 6 month cycle for point releases. BUT: There should be no major content changes in a point release. This would greatly relieve the stress on the Mandrake Development team. Limit point releases to just minor revisions, and bug fixes. The content should be set at the Major level. And yes, we could argue all day about just what constitutes Major content, vs minor content, and that level of detail is really beyond the poing I was making. And in reality, it's all just wasted bandwidth anyway. It's not like Mandrakesoft will see this, and say: Wow, he's absolutely right! We need to change our business model today!!!.. :) I guess I was just blowing off steam. I suppose if I wanted to mandate how a distro should be put together, and run, I'd have to start my own distro. The devil's advocate point of view might be that LM is directly in competition with RH, therefore from a marketing standpoint they may actually NEED a 6 month cycle for purposes of competition. My points were purely conjecture from the standpoint of having a better product, without considering things like competition or otherwise. I really need to have lunch with the CEO one day. g I absolutely agree. They ARE in competition with RH. On many levels. That's exactly why (IMHO) they need to very carefully look at the issues that are causing them problems. Let's face it, if they were a fat, healthy company, the tenor of this conversation would be quite different. 2) My biggest complaint about Mandrake: (yup.. gonna get shot at for this one) STOP BEGGING! I hate that! No flames here. But I would ask that you resort to some logic on this topic. For instance, let's consult the dictionary on begging: snip Sorry, it was long. I'll just say: Thank you Mr. Clinton once again for providing us with the 'real' definition of sex. Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control?
Anne... Club subscriptions are 100% revenue. Boxed sets aren't due to the printing, boxes, media, etc. The subscription, bringing in the higher revenue, is much more helpful. Boxed sets are great for those who need manuals or don't have the bandwidth to download, but for all others I'd suggest Club (if their interest is more in providing more money to MandrakeSoft rather than the vanity of having a ML box!) Ok, I'm in a mood today: I'm sorry people, but if I need to worry about such trivialities as this, then I really have to question whether I want to do business with a company on such a razors edge. When was the last time you heard about a LMCE project? Seems that having an RHCE certification is valuable. But there is no corresponding LMCE. How about the support programs available? There's just far more out there that a company would look at when considering a distribution, than: Gee, would it benefit them more if I bought the boxed set, or contributed... As a person in a position to make such decisions, and recomendations, I'd have a hard time with that on a corporate level. I don't know of any other viable business that tries to survive on such a business model, as getting sympathy dollars. If they're short of revenue, then they start more agressivly market their products, and services. Or they get innovative, and come out with new products services. They don't whine that they need money to stay alive, and prey on the sympathy of their user-ship to send in dollars. Here in the U.S., Jerry Lewis used to do that once a year on a telethon. But he was saving lives. It worked for him. It's not working for Mandrakesoft. Now, after that, I WILL state that I will support the company I get my software from in all the usual ways. If buying a subscription for services will get me better support, I'll subscribe. If paying for classes for a certification would help further my career, I'd pay for the classes (if offered). Mandrakesoft is in the business of making money. So am I. If they're short on revenue, they need to increase their market. It's just simple business sense. Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control?
Anne Wilson wrote: On Tuesday 25 Feb 2003 8:51 pm, Tibbetts, Ric wrote: Anne... Club subscriptions are 100% revenue. Boxed sets aren't due to the printing, boxes, media, etc. The subscription, bringing in the higher revenue, is much more helpful. Boxed sets are great for those who need manuals or don't have the bandwidth to download, but for all others I'd suggest Club (if their interest is more in providing more money to MandrakeSoft rather than the vanity of having a ML box!) Ok, I'm in a mood today: I'm sorry people, but if I need to worry about such trivialities as this, then I really have to question whether I want to do business with a company on such a razors edge. There is nothing trivial about making the best use of one's money. I don't know of any other viable business that tries to survive on such a business model, as getting sympathy dollars. Do you call it sympathy dollars when you ask for payment for your services? Get real, man. I'm absolutely willing to pay for services rendered. I have no problem with that. That was not my point. But it has at this point, become totally useless to persist. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] drakbackup
Brian Schroeder wrote: From: Luca Olivetti [EMAIL PROTECTED] You just scared me to death. I had no problem reding the tapes to restore some files from time to time (when a user deleted them by mistake), but I guess murphy's law applies here: in case of disaster the tape won't be readable :-( Absolutely! That's the one thing you can be sure of. The tape always works, until the disaster. But the one time you realy need it, no go. It has happened to me too. Brian A very old saying that got drilled into me when I first started in this business: Computing experience is measured in the amount of data lost Truer words were never spoken.. We've all lost data due to a broken backup system. Personally, I still find permanantly writing data to a CD-R 700MB at a time unacceptable. If the data is changing daily, you'll very quickly have a cabinet full of usless CDs. CD-RWs are just not reliable, and still do not have the capacity to provide an adequate backup. If I have a server with a T-byte if data on it, I'm ceretainly not going to try to back it up 700MB at a time to CDs. I HAVE to depend on tapes. There's just nothing else out there with the necessary capacity. Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] drakbackup
I will beat on tape for backup. MY tape drive faithfully backed up once a week and I rotated 6 tapes to stay current. (MAC fileserver 80). Then one day I arrived at work to find the fileserver unresponsive. I eventually powered down and found the disk would not boot and enough of it was corrupted to make the rest inaccessible. OK no problem, data is on tapes, let's reload OS--- done reach for tape Oops--tape is unreadable reach for two week old tape--E gee that one is no good either Tapes sent to data recovery service--well whattayaknow They charged quite a bit to give me the bad news that six years of work was lost. The employer was too cheap to give me a separate workstation, so it was my six years of work that was lost. For the same reason, it was risky to try restoring from tape though I had always done one file a month. Anyway, the tapes were stretched and dirty and the drive was unusable. I have been burning CDs since that time, even when the burns were at 1X. Civileme Oh come now Civilme! Due diligence here! If you do no maintenance on your back up system, you get what you deserve. I'm absolutely amazed that you let your tapes fall into that state. Just like any backup strategy, it requires maintenance! Your statement above is like saying: I didn't change the oil in my car for 3 years, and the engine died. That proves cars are no good. Sorry to beat up you, but you deserve it for even making the statement: tapes were stretched and dirty and the drive was unusable. rant So you threw a junky old tape, in a piece of crap tape drive, and the backup/restore failed? Gee.. really? I guess that proves beyond all doubt that tape backup systems can't be trusted. Didn't anyone bother to check this thing periodicly? Your backups are only as reliable as *you* make them. Garbage in, Garbage out. /rant Over the years, I've seen you give a lot of good advice, and help a lot of people. I've had a great deal of respect for you. But I guess everyone has their areas where they are just another DAU grin Ok.. I'll admit, I've lost data to faulty backup systems. But it's usually been my own fault. The short side of this is: CDs provide nowhere near the capacity required to do regular backups of changing data. And.. I really don't want to make perminant backups to CD-R of data that changes regularly, it's just wasteful. Besides, there is no way, I can backup my multi-T-Byte systems (at work) to CD! Tapes are not perfect, but they're the only option when you have large amounts of data. But they're only as good as their maintenance. Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] drakbackup
civileme wrote: Well google around and you can find scdbackup which is oriented toward 650Mb disks. And I have tested it to work on 9.0 with supermount disabled, and a $25.95(US) CDRW drive which is rated 4x4x24 Even with that, the drive barfs on CDRW media, even for blanking, with 9.0 DO NOT USE CDRW media for this either--most of it is 650 and there are MANY supposed CDRW drives which will not work with CDRW media of the more modern flavor or insist on trying to treat all the CDRW media as 700Mb capacity. Civileme Interesting that you should mention this. I have been trying to backup a directory full of mp3 files to a CD-RW. They just REFUSE to write/recover properly. I can backup the rest of the system with no problem, but not those mp3's. IT may be yet another case of CD-RW problems.(?). I may try burning them to a CD-R ... But I've got a pile of coasters now... I will probably just invest in a spindle of 100 of them, get it over with. Also, I tried writing the latest beta iso to a CD-RW. But nooo.. The CD-RW drive is new, as are the disks. They burn ok, but if I move the CD to the other (older) drive, and try to boot the box from it.. No go. I can't even mount them on that drive. If I burn the ISOs to a CD-R, all works like it should. I bought the CD-RW's thinking Great for temp storage. But no.. I've had far too many problems with them. I wish I had my DAT Drive with me. Can't beat tape for backups. :) Sadly, it's in my server in Seattle, and I'm STILL stuck in Florida... sigh... Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] OT Will there be a tomorrow?
With all the Anit-American inflamitory comments that have been generated on this thread, I couldn't help but to break down, and add my piece to this. This is an article from London's Daily Mirror Surprise! Surprise! When one of the world's most liberal left wing newspapers writes a great article like this, there is hope for everyone. A thoughtfully written piece in one of the most left wing newspapers in the UK. Just a word of background for those of you who aren't familiar with the UK's Daily Mirror. This is one of the most notorious Left wing, anti-American dailies in the UK. Hard to believe that the Daily Mirror actually published it, but it did. NOTE: I didn't write it, and I'm not Brittish. But it does get to the point... This will be my one, and only contribution to this thread. Begin article: ONE year ago, the world witnessed a unique kind of broadcasting -- the mass murder of thousands, live on television. As a lesson in the pitiless cruelty of the human race, September 11 was up there with Pol Pot's Mountain of skulls in Cambodia, or the skeletal bodies stacked like garbage in the Nazi concentration camps. An unspeakable act so cruel, so calculated and so utterly merciless that surely the world could agree on one thing --nobody deserves this fate. Surely there could be consensus: the victims were truly innocent, the perpetrators truly evil. But to the world's eternal shame, 9/11 is increasingly seen as America's comeuppance [deserved reprimand or punishment]. Incredibly, anti-Americanism has increased over the last year. There has always been a simmering resentment to the USA in this country -- too loud, too rich, too full of themselves and so much happier than Europeans - but it has become an epidemic. And it seems incredible to me. More than that, it turns my stomach. America is this country's greatest friend and our staunchest ally. We are bonded to the US by culture, language and blood. A little over half a century ago, around half a million Americans died for our freedoms, as well as their own. Have we forgotten so soon? And exactly a year ago, thousands of ordinary men, women and children - not just Americans, but from dozens of countries -- were butchered by a small group of religious fanatics. Are we so quick to betray them? What touched the heart about those who died in the twin towers and on the planes was that we recognized them. Young fathers and mothers, somebody's son and somebody's daughter, husbands and wives. And children. Some unborn. And these people brought it on themselves? And their nation is to blame for their meticulously planned slaughter? These days you don't have to be some dust-encrusted nut job in Kabul or Karachi or Finsbury Park to see America as the Great Satan. The anti-American alliance is made up of self-loathing liberals who blame the Americans for every ill in the Third World, and conservatives suffering from power-envy, bitter that the world's only superpower can do what it likes without having to ask permission. The truth is that America has behaved with enormous restraint since September 11. Remember, remember! Remember the gut-wrenching tapes of weeping men phoning their wives to say, I love you, before they were burned alive. Remember those people leaping o their deaths from the top of burning skyscrapers. Remember the hundreds of firemen buried alive. Remember the smiling face of that beautiful little girl who was on one of the planes with her mum. Remember, remember -- and realize that America has never retaliated for 9/11 in anything like the way it could have. So, a few al-Qaeda tourists got locked up without a trial in Camp X-ray? Pass the Kleenex. So, some Afghan wedding receptions were shot up after they merrily fired their semiautomatics in a sky full of American planes? A shame, but maybe next time they should stick to confetti. AMERICA could have turned a large chunk of the world into a parking lot. That it didn't is a sign of strength. American voices are already being raised against attacking Iraq - that's what a democracy is for. How many in the Islamic world will have a minute's silence for the slaughtered innocents of 9/11? How many Islamic leaders will have the guts to say that the mass murder of 9/11 was an abomination? When the news of 9/11 broke on the West Bank, those freedom-loving Palestinians were dancing in the street. America watched all of that -- and didn't push the button. We should thank the stars that America is the most powerful nation in the world. I still find it incredible that 9/11 did not provoke all-out war. Not a war on terrorism. A real war. The fundamentalist dudes are talking about opening the gates of hell if America attacks Iraq. Well, America could have opened the gates of hell like you wouldn't believe. The US is the most militarily powerful nation that ever
Re: [expert] 9.1b2 observation/opinioin
Mark Weaver wrote: Ric Tibbetts wrote: snip | | | Oh come on! If we can't argue about it, what's the point? | *pokes* Come on! | *sticks his tongue out* Weirdo! | *throws a squeezy stress relieving computer shaped foam thing at you* | Let's argue? Plase? ;) | | I think 9.1b2 is looking good :) Azrael, I would have to agree with you. ;) Come on Ric!! - -- Mark LOL You guys are too much. I'll give it another whirl at the next release (RC1?). Ric anyone know when that one's due out? Ahem: When it's ready... grin I always hated getting that answer! Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Houston Stands up to M$
All; The article was forwarded to me by a co-worker. I merely thought it interesting that Houston had made the stand to go against M$, and their abusive licensing. I was not endorsing Houstons choice of sotware, nor did I have anthing to do it. Ric Tibbetts, Ric wrote: Check out this link, detailing why Houston, TX sh*tcanned Microsoft. http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/2003-01-21-simdesk-cover_x.htm Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] IMAP clients very slow
Chuck Burns wrote: On Wed, January 22 2003 2:15 am, Stefano Pogliani wrote: Why IMAP clients on Linux (Mozilla, Evolution especially !!!) are much slower than using IMAP clients on Windows (on the same Linux IMAP folders) ? It seems strange, but it is much quicker to work from a remote Windows machine than from a local Linux one! There is certainly something I am missing. TIA /Stefano Because most windows IMAP clients actually download all the mail to your local machine, and then you are working locally, and most linux IMAP clients are PURE IMAP clients.. NO local stuff, so it's always working over the network, hence the speed issue. Another thing I've noticed is setting them (the clients) to check all imap folders will slow it down. If you're not filtering on the server side, you can turn that off. There won't be any new mail in any of the other folders until it's placed there by the current session. So you can save some time there. I've noticed that Evolution is much slower than Mozilla though. JMHO-YMMV Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] 9.1b2 observation/opinioin
All; I took the opportunity to install 9.1b2 on a PC at home. Just to have a look around. My first impression when it came up was: eeYuck! Sorry guys, I disliked the look so much, I took it off. IMHO... It's over the top on eye-candy, and severly lacking in content. Ok, it's a beta.. I understand that. But IMHO it was still ugly. My objection: Way to much eye-candy. So much so, that it wasn't sweet anymore. The fonts suck (IMHO). On my system, they just looked tacky, and made things hard to read. I couldn't even blame it on missing fonts, because MDK did the install. So if anything was missing, it's because MDK didn't install it. Most of what I used wasn't installed (by default). I didn't even get a useable e-Mail client. The only thing it installed was Kmail... I had to dig around to find Mozilla Mail, and install that. I thought I remembered someone here mentioning that Evolution 1.2 was included with 9.1.. not so. It ain't on the CDs. Yes, I understand. It's a beta. It's put out to garner opinions, and to help track down bugs. But in my case, and IMHO, it was just to ugly to use. Mandrake needs to back off the fonts nonsense, and focus on content, not candy. I took it off, and put RH 8.0 on. Bluecuve is a world better than the mess on the 9.1b2 desktop. If I want a system that looks like it was designed by PlaySchool, I'll by an XP machine, or a MAC. I came to Linux many years ago to get away from that. I'll take another look as it aproaches release. The above is just my opinion. Not a statement of fact. There is therefore nothing above to argue over. It's just an opinion. I thought Mandrake should hear something besides Ohh.. ahh.. lookit the pretty fonts... Personally, I think it just made it hard to read, and harder to use. If that's the direction MDK is taking their distro, I'll go back to a serious distro, and return to RedHat. I'm not interested in XP-Linux. JMHO-YMMV Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Houston Stands up to M$
Check out this link, detailing why Houston, TX sh*tcanned Microsoft. http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/2003-01-21-simdesk-cover_x.htm Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] imap server and kmail features
Forget K-Mail. It won't filter into imap folders. Go with either Mozilla Mail, or Evolution. Either one does an excelent job of filtering into imapp folders. I use this set up myself, so that I can always get to my mail, from any client, anywhere, and ALL my mail is there. I got tired of the POP thing a long time ago, when all my mail was on myh home desktop, and I was traveling with a laptop. IMAP is the way to go. Ric To state it clear, it is not the job of a E-Mail client to filter something on a imap-server. You can contact with a lot of different clients an it is not a funny job to configure it always to the same filter. so use the filter, the imap server offers to you and your mail will be filtert regardles of the ability of your mailclient. So you can use sylpheed or mutt on a remote connection and mozilla, kmail or evolution on your local Unix connection and (for those who realy want) Outlook on a Windows system. Thas what IMAP is for. Martin PS: If your IMAP server doe not support filter, drop it and use either courier or cyrus. You can't possibly be suggesting to add filters directly into imap, for every user... If you had a system with 1000 users, and they had 20 filters each... That's hardly practical. That is why it *IS* the job of the client to do it's filtering. If it cannot do it properly, find a client that will, there are plenty out there. Alternativly, fetchmail will do the job, if you have the access to the server. But not everyone does. I do, but I run my own server. But for people getting their mail from their ISP, expecting imap on the server end to do your filtering is not reasonable. Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: hardware requirements for mail server, was: Re: [expert] imapser ver and kmail features
Bascule; Hardware requirements for a mail server: Minimal, minimal, minimal... Got an old Pentium 75 (90, 100...)? Stuff some disk space in it, and feed it some ram, and you're on your way. You'll need postfix, to send/receive mail, and imap. Both of which almost install out of the box work. Very little involved in setting that up. Then to get your mail, just use Mozilla Mail, or Evolution. (a word of caution, I've noticed Evolution to have stability problems, often just hanging, requiring that I force a log out, and kill it (if you get lucky, you can kill it with killev.). Mozilla is the more stable of the two. Then set up your imap folders on the server (I'll give you a hand off list if you want). And you're on the road. Well, ok, it's not quite THAT easy, but almost! Ric bascule wrote: well ric has it right:) what i want is to not lose the geek toy that kmail ( and one assumes, other clients) gives me which is mail identities and associating posting addresses with folders, as my original post indicated i'm aware of procmail and server filtering which, large setups aside, would be fine for myself, my daughter and a few boxes, my question was a shot in the dark really,wondering whether there was some way other than a remote session to avoid the individual client configuration so as to provide the 'geek-toys':) as i have never actually used imap and/or fetchmail with procmail and all the googling i did told me how to install them but little about what they 'couldn't do' i thought it worth asking. configuring only a few mail clients might not seem a big deal bit i won't have learnt anything new,plus there still remains the question of access from outside, vnc i think, here i come, which begs the question what is the minimum hardware to run a box that runs a vnc server and email client and precious little else? i'm hoping its not very much 'cos that's all i got! ideally i will be accessing from other machines - say, my mothers, over the net in which case i can install vnc on it, but of course i may have to install some web client for this if i want to get my mail from a mates box, features aside, what woud that do to hardware requirements? bascule On Tuesday 21 Jan 2003 5:12 pm, Ric Tibbetts wrote: All the rest is just techno-geek toys. I, and my users, just want to read our mail. I'm not going to go to excessive measures on the servers make that happen. IMAP does the job exceedingly well, and it serves to any client, be it Linux, Mac, or Windows. I can check my mail from any client, anywhere in the world. As long as it properly supports IMAP filtering. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Fwd: Re: [OT] Stupid question about Galeon and bookmarks
rob wrote: I believe the drop-down window is to what he is referring. I get the same thing. It will not scroll beyond the bottom of the page. The only way I can see my bookmarks beyond the bottom of the screen is to open up edit bookmarks. Ditto. I get the same thing. I've just adopted the attitude with it, that it forces me to keep my bookmarks file in order, and keep thinks in folders, rather than let it run on as a long file. Not the best situation. Ric Rob On Sat, 2003-01-18 at 20:34, Ronald J. Hall wrote: On Friday 17 January 2003 11:09 pm, stefmit wrote: Sorry if this is a repeat - tried earlier, and it looked as if it failed: -- Forwarded Message -- Subject: Re: [OT] Stupid question about Galeon and bookmarks Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 17:59:08 -0600 From: stefmit [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank you for your kind attempt to help ... but have you ever actually tried to open that window (i.e. the bookmarks one), in Galeon? There is no square(s) icon on the right corner (it is not a regular window - please My apologies - I thought you meant the main Galeon window - not bookmarks. I use Galeon as my main browser here, but I've never even opened a bookmark window - don't have a reason to. I just add pages to the drop-down bookmark menu... Sorry I couldn't help! -- /\ Dark Lord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] O Yyyyyyyyyyummy!!
Mark Weaver wrote: Mandrake 9.1beta2 is out...Just in case no one else knew. Just found it on one of the french servers. Ooo! I feel like a little kid at Christmas. :) This'll help me feel better after taking that beating yesterday. Hmmm Might be a good excuse to rebuild the beater workstation at home. ;) Nuthin' like a new OS to make an old workstation look better. Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] O Yyyyyyyyyyummy!!
H.J.Bathoorn wrote: On Saturday 18 January 2003 12:38, Tibbetts, Ric wrote: Mark Weaver wrote: Mandrake 9.1beta2 is out...Just in case no one else knew. Just found it on one of the french servers. Ooo! I feel like a little kid at Christmas. :) This'll help me feel better after taking that beating yesterday. Hmmm Might be a good excuse to rebuild the beater workstation at home. ;) Nuthin' like a new OS to make an old workstation look better. Ric Where've you guys been? I've already thrashed 3 beta installs last week=:o) With Beta 2? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] rpmdrake: cannot open archive file /var/lib/urpmi/hdlist.main.cz
Ric Tibbetts wrote: Subject says it. I cannot update an 8.1 box. When I try, it just comes back with no list, and I get the (subject) error on the command line. MandrakeUpdate used to work on this box. But something has happened to it. Any suggestions on how to repair the damage would be appreciated. Ric I resolved this one. I found that urpmi was badly out of date on that box. I updated urpmi to a more current version, and all is well again. Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] O Yyyyyyyyyyummy!!
Ric Tibbetts wrote: On Sat, Jan 18, 2003 at 10:42:37AM -0500, Pierre Fortin wrote: On Sat, 18 Jan 2003 07:40:48 -0600 Tom Brinkman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday January 18 2003 05:16 am, Mark Weaver wrote: Mandrake 9.1beta2 is out...Just in case no one else knew. Just found it on one of the french servers. Ooo! I feel like a little kid at Christmas. :) This'll help me feel better after taking that beating yesterday. Did ya notice it's two 650mb iso's? I suspect 9.1 will stay on 650's from now on. I also suspect we'll still have the same percentage of people sayin the iso's won't boot, or won't install (ie, the no-700mb iso's crowd) ;- I have always used 650 successfully; even when the md5sums didn't match due to CD padding... BTW, did no-one notice that RH8.0 is *5* ISOs? It's 5 iso's. But 2-1/2 of them are source. You only need the first 3 to do an install. Ric PS: Heard a rumor that RH 8.0 beta 1 is out... Just a rumor, I've not gone looking for it. Oops.. make that 8.1 beta 1 sorry Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] CD Burners
You can never have too much memory, or too much dasd. Ric et wrote: Suggestion... OK... find a burner with as much cache ram as possible (where have we heard that advice before,,, and not about CDburners only) On Saturday 18 January 2003 11:05 am, Ric Tibbetts wrote: All; Thanks for all the suggestions. I'm feeling confident now that I can pretty much get what's on sale, and it will probably work. Although, I will probably stick with a name brand, just for my own piece of mind. Ric On Fri, Jan 17, 2003 at 09:16:23PM -0800, Michael Noble wrote: I have used LiteOn and Sony IDE both went in without any problems. The system sees them as scsi devices. Mike On Fri, 2003-01-17 at 08:00, Ric Tibbetts wrote: All; I'm going to put a new (IDE) CD Burner in my PC (Mdk 9.0). Any suggestions on a good one, that is known to have good compatability, and ease of install? Thanks! Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- Michael Noble mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] OT network backup solutions
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2003-01-15 at 00:28, Mark Belanger wrote: Can anyone recommend a backup solution for a fairly large(300 node) heterogeneous network. We currently have Solaris, Windows, Linux, SunOS, and DomainOS machines. Arkeia (commercial) and Amanda come to mind. For non-Linux backup servers I've used Veritas' NetBackup. It has clients for most OSes. I'd have to second the recomendation for Veritas Netbackup. Great product. I've used it in both large, and small networks. Another is Tivoli (adsm) from IBM. Also good in mid, to large envirnoments. Neither is free. You'll have to license whichever one you use, but they'll get the job done for you, and that's what counts. I've had this argument with many a director: Yep, we'll have to pay for the software. And before you tell me no, I'll want you to write down just how much the data we're protecting is worth. That's the real cost of your backup solution. I worked at a large company (whom I'll leave nameless). They wouldn't spring for a decent backup system. They insisted they had no budget. Then the server crashed, taking it's drives with it. The end result was the loss of about 5Gb of data. All of it vital (proposals for government research contracts, the contracts themselves, research data, etc. All of it LOST. There was just no way to recover it. Standing and telling an RD department that they've just lost all their data is the cost of a backup system. Don't scrimp on this one. I've got the battle scars to back up that statement. Do it right, or stay home. JMHO-YMMV Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Spam Filtering with postfix
Mark Weaver wrote: On Tuesday 14 January 2003 12:45 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] scribbled incoherently: Interesting... I seem to have stopped receiving mail that I've sent. For example: I have not received the last reply I sent to this list, from this address. Maybe a little tight on the filtering... My wife can always tell when I get bored, I start hacking, and things seem to stop working.. lol... Ric ROTFL!!! I've noticed that same thing happens on my machine. You do realize though that this is the path to knowledge! :) 'Tis true, 'tis true. We learn by doing. At the moment, I'm still a bit tight on the filters. I'm only getting about 25% of the mail from this list! And I'm losing some personal mail. I need to work out an exceptions list. Like a way to say: All mail from msn.com, except mail from certain user@msn.com Should be a way Need to dig. Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] And the fun continues
Sheesh! NOW, the server (firewall side) is just bulk rejecting ALL connections (again!). It considers any incoming mail as a SYN attack, and rejects it! (egads! I'm getting tired of this chase!). I thought I had this sorted out... /var/log/messages is bing filled with messages like: Jan 15 07:51:50 ibu portsentry[2524]: attackalert: Host: mtsbp122.discountdeals.net/64.253.203.58 is already blocked Ignoring Jan 15 07:54:16 ibu portsentry[2524]: attackalert: TCP SYN/Normal scan from host: smtp.mandrake.com/63.209.80.248 to TCP port: 25 Jan 15 07:54:16 ibu portsentry[2524]: attackalert: Host: smtp.mandrake.com/63.209.80.248 is already blocked Ignoring Jan 15 07:54:33 ibu portsentry[2524]: attackalert: TCP SYN/Normal scan from host: telepath3.isomedia.com/207.115.64.104 to TCP port: 25 Jan 15 07:54:33 ibu portsentry[2524]: attackalert: Host 207.115.64.104 has been blocked via wrappers with string: ALL: 207.115.64.104 Jan 15 07:54:33 ibu portsentry[2524]: attackalert: Host 207.115.64.104 has been blocked via dropped route using command: /sbin/iptables -A INPUT -s 207.115.64.104 -j DROP It's all incoming mail, that is not coming in! Any thoughts on WHY it would interpret all incoming connections as an attack? Anything not already blocked is interpreted as a SYN attack, and is rejected, and added to the list Thanks ! Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Spam Filtering with postfix
Mark Weaver wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 15 January 2003 08:55 am, Tibbetts, Ric scribbled nervously: Mark Weaver wrote: On Tuesday 14 January 2003 12:45 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] scribbled incoherently: Interesting... I seem to have stopped receiving mail that I've sent. For example: I have not received the last reply I sent to this list, from this address. Maybe a little tight on the filtering... My wife can always tell when I get bored, I start hacking, and things seem to stop working.. lol... Ric ROTFL!!! I've noticed that same thing happens on my machine. You do realize though that this is the path to knowledge! :) 'Tis true, 'tis true. We learn by doing. At the moment, I'm still a bit tight on the filters. I'm only getting about 25% of the mail from this list! And I'm losing some personal mail. I need to work out an exceptions list. Like a way to say: All mail from msn.com, except mail from certain user@msn.com Should be a way Need to dig. Ric Ric, those are the bits that go in the access file for postfix. msn.com OK certain [EMAIL PROTECTED] OK [EMAIL PROTECTED] REJECT spammcentral.com REJECT etc... - -- Mark Yup. Found that bit. Thanks! Now I just need to get the server back up. It just went on it's nose again... egads! Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] And the fun continues (it's dead again)
Mark Weaver wrote: On Wednesday 15 January 2003 10:57 am, Tibbetts, Ric scribbled nervously: Sheesh! NOW, the server (firewall side) is just bulk rejecting ALL connections (again!). It considers any incoming mail as a SYN attack, and rejects it! (egads! I'm getting tired of this chase!). I thought I had this sorted out... /var/log/messages is bing filled with messages like: [snip] It's all incoming mail, that is not coming in! Any thoughts on WHY it would interpret all incoming connections as an attack? Anything not already blocked is interpreted as a SYN attack, and is rejected, and added to the list Thanks ! Ric Ric, do yourself a huge favor and turnoff and uninstall PortSentry. He's a tired old man with a serious bladder control problem. he sh*ts himself from time to time as well. do that and you should be feeling a lot better. I shut it off when it started puking like that. THen I cleaned out /etc/hosts/deny. But it's still not accepting any connections, it's just quieter about it. It's just not receiving anything. When it did this the other day, xinetd was down. I checked that... alls well there. It's running. this is really getting frustrating! If I were 3000 miles closer, I'd shoot the thing between it's transistors, and rebuild it. But I'm just a bit to far away for that. I can still ssh in, so at least I can work on it. But I'm lost as to why it started doing this again... It was fine, up until about a half hour ago.. Then it just stopped receiving connections. There's nothing in the logs.. I even tried the M$ method: Reboot.. no joy. It didn't help. And stopping portsentry doesn't make any difference. It's not the mail system either. I reverted back to the pre-spam filter version. That didn't make any difference. It's just started rejecting all connections. gotta be a reason Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] And the fun continues
Mark Weaver wrote: On Wednesday 15 January 2003 10:57 am, Tibbetts, Ric scribbled nervously: Sheesh! NOW, the server (firewall side) is just bulk rejecting ALL connections (again!). It considers any incoming mail as a SYN attack, and rejects it! (egads! I'm getting tired of this chase!). I thought I had this sorted out... /var/log/messages is bing filled with messages like: [snip] It's all incoming mail, that is not coming in! Any thoughts on WHY it would interpret all incoming connections as an attack? Anything not already blocked is interpreted as a SYN attack, and is rejected, and added to the list Thanks ! Ric Ric, do yourself a huge favor and turnoff and uninstall PortSentry. He's a tired old man with a serious bladder control problem. he sh*ts himself from time to time as well. do that and you should be feeling a lot better. Mark (anyone); At what point in your startup is iptables starting (remember that my rcx.d directories got trashed). I'm missing something, and I need to figure out what! Any help is greatly appreciated!!! Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] And the fun continues (it's dead again)
Mark Weaver wrote: On Wednesday 15 January 2003 11:30 am, Tibbetts, Ric scribbled nervously: Mark Weaver wrote: On Wednesday 15 January 2003 10:57 am, Tibbetts, Ric scribbled nervously: Sheesh! NOW, the server (firewall side) is just bulk rejecting ALL connections (again!). It considers any incoming mail as a SYN attack, and rejects it! (egads! I'm getting tired of this chase!). I thought I had this sorted out... /var/log/messages is bing filled with messages like: [snip] It's all incoming mail, that is not coming in! Any thoughts on WHY it would interpret all incoming connections as an attack? Anything not already blocked is interpreted as a SYN attack, and is rejected, and added to the list Thanks ! Ric Ric, do yourself a huge favor and turnoff and uninstall PortSentry. He's a tired old man with a serious bladder control problem. he sh*ts himself from time to time as well. do that and you should be feeling a lot better. I shut it off when it started puking like that. THen I cleaned out /etc/hosts/deny. But it's still not accepting any connections, it's just quieter about it. It's just not receiving anything. When it did this the other day, xinetd was down. I checked that... alls well there. It's running. this is really getting frustrating! If I were 3000 miles closer, I'd shoot the thing between it's transistors, and rebuild it. But I'm just a bit to far away for that. I can still ssh in, so at least I can work on it. But I'm lost as to why it started doing this again... It was fine, up until about a half hour ago.. Then it just stopped receiving connections. There's nothing in the logs.. I even tried the M$ method: Reboot.. no joy. It didn't help. And stopping portsentry doesn't make any difference. It's not the mail system either. I reverted back to the pre-spam filter version. That didn't make any difference. It's just started rejecting all connections. gotta be a reason Ric well...this sounds horribly familiar, so I'll set to work trying to recall what it was I was doing when this happened to me, and how I handled the situation. damned thing of it I should have kept up my journal of that period. there was a time when everything I touched on that machine turned to crap! it's not so bad now cause I've had a lot of practice. :) don't worry though...it'll come to me...eventually. Ok, let's get basic. It was running when I first checked on it this morning. The spam filter was tight, so I loosened that up a little (pure postfix config file stuff. NO systems level stuff). Then I restarted postfix, and the server stopped receiving connections. I rebooted. Then portsentry went crazy on the reporting, and started rejecting every incoming mail connection. (actually, I suspect that they were being rejected anyway, there was no new mail coming in before that). The last time it started acting like that, xinetd wasn't running. This time it is. The firewall is up. iptables is running. postfix is up I can send mail from it, and users from inside that network can pass through it, so masq'ing is working right. Why is it rejecting ALL incoming e-Mail connections? And ONLY incoming e-Mail connections. I can ssh in, and the web server is running, and allows connections... But any incoming e-Mail is interpreted as an attack, and rejected. Where is this coming from ?!?! (portsentry is shut off. But I've been running it a very long time. I've seldom found it the source of the problem, on the messenger. Without it, I feel like I'm running a bit blind... Any thoughts? Suggestions on where to look? WAGs? This server has been a super reliable server for the past 3 years. It's been on 8.1 for a year or so, and has never caused any problems. Now all the sudden... I can't keep it running... HELP! Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Rejected Connections
All; Let me try this from a different angle. I have a server with problems. Right now, it's rejecting all connections to port 25 (mail). I can do everything else, but that. The server is running postfix for sending mail, and smtp is open in the firewall. It was accepting connections this morning, and has now stopped. Mysteriously. I'd sure appreciate any pointers on what could/would cause a server to suddenly stop accepting connections... Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] And the fun continues
Mark Weaver wrote: Tibbetts, Ric wrote: Mark Weaver wrote: On Wednesday 15 January 2003 10:57 am, Tibbetts, Ric scribbled nervously: Sheesh! NOW, the server (firewall side) is just bulk rejecting ALL connections (again!). It considers any incoming mail as a SYN attack, and rejects it! (egads! I'm getting tired of this chase!). I thought I had this sorted out... /var/log/messages is bing filled with messages like: [snip] It's all incoming mail, that is not coming in! Any thoughts on WHY it would interpret all incoming connections as an attack? Anything not already blocked is interpreted as a SYN attack, and is rejected, and added to the list Thanks ! Ric Ric, do yourself a huge favor and turnoff and uninstall PortSentry. He's a tired old man with a serious bladder control problem. he sh*ts himself from time to time as well. do that and you should be feeling a lot better. Mark (anyone); At what point in your startup is iptables starting (remember that my rcx.d directories got trashed). I'm missing something, and I need to figure out what! Any help is greatly appreciated!!! Ric Ric, as I recall its rather early in the boot process. i'll check and then repost what I find. Mark Of interest on this one. If I put iptables back into the startup (chkconfig --add iptables). It gets added at the top (S03 I think). Then if I reboot, it changes to K92iptables - ../init.d/iptables Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] And the fun continues (it's dead again)
Mark Weaver wrote: Tibbetts, Ric wrote: Mark Weaver wrote: On Wednesday 15 January 2003 11:30 am, Tibbetts, Ric scribbled nervously: Mark Weaver wrote: On Wednesday 15 January 2003 10:57 am, Tibbetts, Ric scribbled nervously: Sheesh! NOW, the server (firewall side) is just bulk rejecting ALL connections (again!). It considers any incoming mail as a SYN attack, and rejects it! (egads! I'm getting tired of this chase!). I thought I had this sorted out... /var/log/messages is bing filled with messages like: [snip] It's all incoming mail, that is not coming in! Any thoughts on WHY it would interpret all incoming connections as an attack? Anything not already blocked is interpreted as a SYN attack, and is rejected, and added to the list Thanks ! Ric Ric, do yourself a huge favor and turnoff and uninstall PortSentry. He's a tired old man with a serious bladder control problem. he sh*ts himself from time to time as well. do that and you should be feeling a lot better. I shut it off when it started puking like that. THen I cleaned out /etc/hosts/deny. But it's still not accepting any connections, it's just quieter about it. It's just not receiving anything. When it did this the other day, xinetd was down. I checked that... alls well there. It's running. this is really getting frustrating! If I were 3000 miles closer, I'd shoot the thing between it's transistors, and rebuild it. But I'm just a bit to far away for that. I can still ssh in, so at least I can work on it. But I'm lost as to why it started doing this again... It was fine, up until about a half hour ago.. Then it just stopped receiving connections. There's nothing in the logs.. I even tried the M$ method: Reboot.. no joy. It didn't help. And stopping portsentry doesn't make any difference. It's not the mail system either. I reverted back to the pre-spam filter version. That didn't make any difference. It's just started rejecting all connections. gotta be a reason Ric well...this sounds horribly familiar, so I'll set to work trying to recall what it was I was doing when this happened to me, and how I handled the situation. damned thing of it I should have kept up my journal of that period. there was a time when everything I touched on that machine turned to crap! it's not so bad now cause I've had a lot of practice. :) don't worry though...it'll come to me...eventually. Ok, let's get basic. It was running when I first checked on it this morning. The spam filter was tight, so I loosened that up a little (pure postfix config file stuff. NO systems level stuff). Then I restarted postfix, and the server stopped receiving connections. I rebooted. Then portsentry went crazy on the reporting, and started rejecting every incoming mail connection. (actually, I suspect that they were being rejected anyway, there was no new mail coming in before that). The last time it started acting like that, xinetd wasn't running. This time it is. The firewall is up. iptables is running. postfix is up I can send mail from it, and users from inside that network can pass through it, so masq'ing is working right. Why is it rejecting ALL incoming e-Mail connections? And ONLY incoming e-Mail connections. I can ssh in, and the web server is running, and allows connections... But any incoming e-Mail is interpreted as an attack, and rejected. Where is this coming from ?!?! (portsentry is shut off. But I've been running it a very long time. I've seldom found it the source of the problem, on the messenger. Without it, I feel like I'm running a bit blind... Any thoughts? Suggestions on where to look? WAGs? This server has been a super reliable server for the past 3 years. It's been on 8.1 for a year or so, and has never caused any problems. Now all the sudden... I can't keep it running... HELP! Ric Ric, how is it you're certain that the connections to port 25 are being interpreted as attacks on the system? apart from PortSentry I can't think of anything else that would cause that port to be closed and refuse a connection. the only other cause for the connection being refused is if the service itself isn't running. other then things stated above I'm drawing a blank. try this though...drop the firewall and then see if a connection can be made, and double check your firewall rulesset to make sure that it is allowing connections to port 25. Mark I used portsentry for a short time to see what was hitting. It's rejecting all connections to port 25 (smtp). Then I turned it back off. Just to be sure, I even pulled portsentry out of the startup, and rebooted. So it's not that. I have smtp enabled in bastille-firewall.cfg
Re: [expert] And the fun continues (it's dead again)
Mark Weaver wrote: Tibbetts, Ric wrote: Mark Weaver wrote: On Wednesday 15 January 2003 11:30 am, Tibbetts, Ric scribbled nervously: Mark Weaver wrote: On Wednesday 15 January 2003 10:57 am, Tibbetts, Ric scribbled nervously: Sheesh! NOW, the server (firewall side) is just bulk rejecting ALL connections (again!). It considers any incoming mail as a SYN attack, and rejects it! (egads! I'm getting tired of this chase!). I thought I had this sorted out... /var/log/messages is bing filled with messages like: [snip] It's all incoming mail, that is not coming in! Any thoughts on WHY it would interpret all incoming connections as an attack? Anything not already blocked is interpreted as a SYN attack, and is rejected, and added to the list Thanks ! Ric Ric, do yourself a huge favor and turnoff and uninstall PortSentry. He's a tired old man with a serious bladder control problem. he sh*ts himself from time to time as well. do that and you should be feeling a lot better. I shut it off when it started puking like that. THen I cleaned out /etc/hosts/deny. But it's still not accepting any connections, it's just quieter about it. It's just not receiving anything. When it did this the other day, xinetd was down. I checked that... alls well there. It's running. this is really getting frustrating! If I were 3000 miles closer, I'd shoot the thing between it's transistors, and rebuild it. But I'm just a bit to far away for that. I can still ssh in, so at least I can work on it. But I'm lost as to why it started doing this again... It was fine, up until about a half hour ago.. Then it just stopped receiving connections. There's nothing in the logs.. I even tried the M$ method: Reboot.. no joy. It didn't help. And stopping portsentry doesn't make any difference. It's not the mail system either. I reverted back to the pre-spam filter version. That didn't make any difference. It's just started rejecting all connections. gotta be a reason Ric well...this sounds horribly familiar, so I'll set to work trying to recall what it was I was doing when this happened to me, and how I handled the situation. damned thing of it I should have kept up my journal of that period. there was a time when everything I touched on that machine turned to crap! it's not so bad now cause I've had a lot of practice. :) don't worry though...it'll come to me...eventually. Ok, let's get basic. It was running when I first checked on it this morning. The spam filter was tight, so I loosened that up a little (pure postfix config file stuff. NO systems level stuff). Then I restarted postfix, and the server stopped receiving connections. I rebooted. Then portsentry went crazy on the reporting, and started rejecting every incoming mail connection. (actually, I suspect that they were being rejected anyway, there was no new mail coming in before that). The last time it started acting like that, xinetd wasn't running. This time it is. The firewall is up. iptables is running. postfix is up I can send mail from it, and users from inside that network can pass through it, so masq'ing is working right. Why is it rejecting ALL incoming e-Mail connections? And ONLY incoming e-Mail connections. I can ssh in, and the web server is running, and allows connections... But any incoming e-Mail is interpreted as an attack, and rejected. Where is this coming from ?!?! (portsentry is shut off. But I've been running it a very long time. I've seldom found it the source of the problem, on the messenger. Without it, I feel like I'm running a bit blind... Any thoughts? Suggestions on where to look? WAGs? This server has been a super reliable server for the past 3 years. It's been on 8.1 for a year or so, and has never caused any problems. Now all the sudden... I can't keep it running... HELP! Ric Ric, how is it you're certain that the connections to port 25 are being interpreted as attacks on the system? apart from PortSentry I can't think of anything else that would cause that port to be closed and refuse a connection. the only other cause for the connection being refused is if the service itself isn't running. Ok, really dumb question, but I'm not leaving any stone unturned at this point What service? Which one? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert]STOP the presses!! WAS: And the fun continues (it's dead again)
Mark Weaver wrote: Ric Um...a quick, sweet scan of your system proved to be very revealing. I know exactly why your messages and in fact all messages are being refuse...port 25 and your other ports you're using for email in and out are all closed. that would tend to explain a lot as to why you can't get messages in and out of the place. As far as I know there are only three things that can cause these ports to close like this. 1) the firewall has closed these ports by dropping all packets going to those ports. 2) the services aren't running...in this case Postfix. 3) the line in the /etc/services file that contains the reference to the port and service has been commented out closing off the port and the service which runs there upon. this third item is the most perplexing in that this file has to be edited manually. I don't know of any program that writes to this file in the normal course of doing its thing. You know??? it just occurred to me that you might not even see this post! %(_(ET$#%*(*^Y#@ Mark I'm getting these. I'm using my work address for this discussion. I agree that port 25 is dead. The question is: Why How? The line in /etc/services is fine. It's uncommented. smtp IS included in bastille-firewall.cfg postfix is running. I have no clue as to what closed that port! And I've rebooted a couple of times. So what ever is doing it, is persistant! BTW: I can get messages out. Just not in. Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] And the fun continues (it's dead again)
snip refuse a connection. the only other cause for the connection being refused is if the service itself isn't running. Ok, really dumb question, but I'm not leaving any stone unturned at this point What service? Which one? if you're refering to which service it would be in the /etc/services file then it would be port 25 smtp/tcp Yeah, like I said, it was a dumb question. And yes, it's there: smtp 25/tcpSimple Mail Transfer smtp 25/udpSimple Mail Transfer It's also open in bastille-firewall. portsentry isn't running. . . . . . . . Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert]STOP the presses!! WAS: And the fun continues (it 'sd ead again)
Chuck Burns wrote: On Wed, January 15 2003 1:53 pm, Tibbetts, Ric wrote: *snip* I agree that port 25 is dead. The question is: Why How? The line in /etc/services is fine. It's uncommented. smtp IS included in bastille-firewall.cfg postfix is running. I have no clue as to what closed that port! And I've rebooted a couple of times. So what ever is doing it, is persistant! Here's something to think about, what if the portsentry didnt get completely removed, and left some cruft.. some of which happens to be blocking port 25 What where? I took portsentry out of the startup, and rebooted the box. So it was never run. I've also gone in, and tried taming it, to NOT block TCP and 25 is still solidly closed. something somewhere is closing 25. And possibly 110 (Mark, when you did your scan, was 110 open?) But what... and where... and how... Hey Mark: What's in your /etc/xinetd.d ? Maybe I'm missing something? Thanks ! Ric PS: I just did a test. I can send mail out from that box. I just won't take it in. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert]STOP the presses!! WAS: And the fun continues (it's d ead again)
Mark Weaver wrote: Chuck Burns wrote: On Wed, January 15 2003 1:53 pm, Tibbetts, Ric wrote: *snip* I agree that port 25 is dead. The question is: Why How? The line in /etc/services is fine. It's uncommented. smtp IS included in bastille-firewall.cfg postfix is running. I have no clue as to what closed that port! And I've rebooted a couple of times. So what ever is doing it, is persistant! Here's something to think about, what if the portsentry didnt get completely removed, and left some cruft.. some of which happens to be blocking port 25 this is likely the weirdest problem I've ever seen. Its probably the most persistant mystery yet! I'm absolutely drawing a blank here. Mark: What's in your /etc/xinetd.d ? Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert]STOP the presses!! WAS: And the fun continues (it's d ead again)
Tibbetts, Ric wrote: Mark Weaver wrote: Chuck Burns wrote: On Wed, January 15 2003 1:53 pm, Tibbetts, Ric wrote: *snip* I agree that port 25 is dead. The question is: Why How? The line in /etc/services is fine. It's uncommented. smtp IS included in bastille-firewall.cfg postfix is running. I have no clue as to what closed that port! And I've rebooted a couple of times. So what ever is doing it, is persistant! Here's something to think about, what if the portsentry didnt get completely removed, and left some cruft.. some of which happens to be blocking port 25 this is likely the weirdest problem I've ever seen. Its probably the most persistant mystery yet! I'm absolutely drawing a blank here. Mark: What's in your /etc/xinetd.d ? Ric Would running (say) msec 1 help clear this up? Possibly just having msec run through the settings, may shake this loose? Anyone care to venture a guess? Just a slim hope... Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Spam Filtering with postfix
All; Ok, I've had enough spam for one lifetime.. ;) I'm trying to get postfix to start filtering spam. It will. What I've added so far is: (from the relevant section of main.cf) # # SPAM FILTER SECTION STARTS # # Look more info about spam filtering options at # http://www.postfix.org/uce.html # # Open Relay Database filtering, look more info at # http://www.ordb.org/ # # Comments and improvements are welcome. # maps_rbl_domains = blackholes.mail-abuse.org, relays.ordb.org, blackholes.wirehub.net, relays.osirusoft.com, blackholes.five-ten-sg.com disable_vrfy_command = yes smtpd_helo_required = yes strict_rfc821_envelopes = yes smtpd_recipient_restrictions = permit_mynetworks, reject_unauth_destination, check_recipient_access hash:/etc/postfix/good_recipient.map, reject_unauth_pipelining, reject_invalid_hostname, reject_non_fqdn_hostname, reject_non_fqdn_sender, reject_non_fqdn_recipient, reject_maps_rbl, reject_unknown_client, reject_unknown_hostname, reject_unknown_sender_domain, reject_unknown_recipient_domain, permit /etc/postfix/good_recipient.map: abuse@ hostmaster@ postmaster@ @$mydomain # --- The problem with the above: Now mail has either become incredibly slow, or nothing is getting through. So I've gone amis somewhere. Can anyone shed some llight on this? I want to be sure that all real local receipients still get their mail, but the spam gets filtered. Thank you!! Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Test - Disregard
Kindly Ignore this e-Mail. Thank you! Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Spam Filtering with postfix
Mark Weaver wrote: On Tuesday 14 January 2003 09:59 am, Tibbetts, Ric wrote: All; Ok, I've had enough spam for one lifetime.. ;) I'm trying to get postfix to start filtering spam. It will. What I've added so far is: (from the relevant section of main.cf) # # SPAM FILTER SECTION STARTS # # Look more info about spam filtering options at # http://www.postfix.org/uce.html # # Open Relay Database filtering, look more info at # http://www.ordb.org/ # # Comments and improvements are welcome. # maps_rbl_domains = blackholes.mail-abuse.org, relays.ordb.org, blackholes.wirehub.net, relays.osirusoft.com, blackholes.five-ten-sg.com disable_vrfy_command = yes smtpd_helo_required = yes strict_rfc821_envelopes = yes smtpd_recipient_restrictions = permit_mynetworks, reject_unauth_destination, check_recipient_access hash:/etc/postfix/good_recipient.map, reject_unauth_pipelining, reject_invalid_hostname, reject_non_fqdn_hostname, reject_non_fqdn_sender, reject_non_fqdn_recipient, reject_maps_rbl, reject_unknown_client, reject_unknown_hostname, reject_unknown_sender_domain, reject_unknown_recipient_domain, permit /etc/postfix/good_recipient.map: abuse@ hostmaster@ postmaster@ @$mydomain # --- The problem with the above: Now mail has either become incredibly slow, or nothing is getting through. So I've gone amis somewhere. Can anyone shed some llight on this? I want to be sure that all real local receipients still get their mail, but the spam gets filtered. Thank you!! Ric Hi Ric, Check things out on this site for setting up Postfix. Pierre has really got it going on when it comes to setting up Postfix for doing things correctly. http://pfortin.com/Linux/PostFix/ Mark Thanks Mark, I'll have a look. Currently, my filter seems to be an inverse filter. I'm NOT getting the mail I want, but the spam is flowing freely.. lol. I did notice that Pierre references the same sites I've been using. I've just got a bug in the above (I've already made a few changes to the above). And.. you can't catch it all. Some spam is going to get through no matter what. Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 9.1 beta 1 first impressions
Mark Weaver wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday 12 January 2003 02:54 pm, Charles A Edwards scribbled incoherently: On 11 Jan 2003 14:03:20 -0500 Ric Tibbetts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not meaning to sound like a smart a** here. But the best, most reliableunerase system I've found, that is fully transportable across all platforms, is a good backup system. There's just no making up for it. Speaking as myself and not for Mark, the problem with any back-up system is the same as the one which caused the data to be erased in the first place. That is the a** sitting in front of the keyboard. Charles OoooYA ! I can relate to that. ;) many were the times the worst thing any of my Linux systems suffered from was a horrid case of PBCK errors running rampant on the system. ( PBCK=Problem Between Chair and Keyboard : for any that didn't already know what that meant. ) - -- Mark Painfully aware of it! I just went through a ton of pain over the week-end recovering a server ... lol Thankfully, it's Monday morning, and I'm back to work. I need the rest! And... Just for the record, the bits that were broken on that particular server, were bits that I don't generally back up. (ouch!). Had to rebuild the area from memory... And my memory just ain't what it used to be! Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Followup on VERY slow 2D performance with gf2 and nvidia drivers
Chuck; When you first log in, pop open a terminal window, and type glxinfo. It seems to improve performance on my box (and several others). Just a test... Ric Chuck Burns wrote: I kind of discovered this by accident. I noticed that whenever ANY application is fullscreen, and I move a window over the top of it, it's nice and snappy, but when I move a window around over the root window, metacity's (the gnome WM) CPU usage skyrockets, and I believe this could be my problem. Is there anyone who has a GeForce2 with the nvidia 4191 drivers installed that could do the following for me for comparison sake? 1) Log into gnome, verify you're using metacity as the window manager ( this is the default) also with Mandrake 9.0 (NOT cooker, or any previous version) 2) Open up gnome-terminal, and drag it around for a few seconds, to see how it responds. I can drag fine for about a second or so, then it gets really choppy. 3) Open any other app, make it fullscreen.. open a child window, and drag IT around, and see if there's a noticeable difference. There is a huge difference for me. Thanks a lot.. Chuck Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] clear mandrake-update list
Norman Zhang wrote: Hi, LM 8.2 seems to get the security update list wrong. How do I reset it or rebuild the database list? I'll second that. Mine comes up empty now. It worked for a while, and then stopped about a month ago. I'd like to know how to fix it also! Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Followup on VERY slow 2D performance with gf2 and nvidia drivers
Chuck Burns wrote: On Thu, 2003-01-09 at 08:32, Tibbetts, Ric wrote: Chuck; When you first log in, pop open a terminal window, and type glxinfo. It seems to improve performance on my box (and several others). Just a test... Ric Well.. I'll be damn.. That DOES work. Now to figure out the obvious. WHY? I'd like to know why as well. The only thing I can say is that it flushes a buffer somewhere... The good news is: It works. Although, I'm not really crazy about such mysteries.. ;) Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] OT: Apache Question
All; This should be an easy one. I have a server running Mandrake 8.1, with Apache. Up until yesterday, It was running personal web sites under $HOME/public_html Now suddenly, I've lost access to those. When I try to get into them, I get the error: Forbidden I've checked the permissions on the directory, and they seem normal. What could have come unconfigured? Thanks! Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] OT: Apache Question [never mind]
I found it. It was just an odd group setting. A remnant from the recent sshd problem. Ric Tibbetts, Ric wrote: All; This should be an easy one. I have a server running Mandrake 8.1, with Apache. Up until yesterday, It was running personal web sites under $HOME/public_html Now suddenly, I've lost access to those. When I try to get into them, I get the error: Forbidden I've checked the permissions on the directory, and they seem normal. What could have come unconfigured? Thanks! Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] sshd server problem - HELP!
I got this one resolved this time. BUT: After this lesson, I'm going to be sure that I have an alternate way into the box. Webmin is installed, but for some reason it wouldn't let me in. I'll be fixing that. To all who answered this thread: Thank You!. sshd is back up running now. It was just very painful with the dumb fingers I had to work with at the remote site. Ric Vox wrote: This time James Sparenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] becomes daring and writes: How about webmin... Yes I know the legion of complaints against gui I agree on this...I had to do the same thing when somebody mungled an sshd upgrade and we lost sshd access. Had dumb remote fingers start webmin (lucky for me I didn't uninstal it after taking over the box) and I fixed it with the one-command-at-a-time console it has. Vox Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] sshd server problem - HELP!
Toshiro wrote: Linux Server sitting in Seattle, I'm in Florida. The Linux Server crashed due to a power failure (I know, it needs a UPS). When the server came back up, it came up, sans sshd. So I cannot get on it to check it out. I also cannot get on to diagnose the problem with sshd, because ssh is my only access (kinda a catch-22 isn't it?). Is the server doing anything at all? My first guess is filesystem corruption with errors that require human intervention (it happened to me a couple of times). Ask someone to look at the console to see if that's what happened. What I always do in your situation (remote box) is to configure a serial console so I can see what's going on when problems arise THanks! I have this one solved. Somehow (I'm still investigating how), the sshd user had gotten deleted. sshd will not run without it. Once I restored that (with the help of my remote fingers), all returned to normal. Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] sshd server problem - HELP!
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 8 Jan 2003, Tibbetts, Ric wrote: I got this one resolved this time. BUT: After this lesson, I'm going to be sure that I have an alternate way into the box. Webmin is installed, but for some reason it wouldn't let me in. I'll be fixing that. Just for curiousity's sake, how did you manage it? It was painful. I rebooted the box, and had my remote fingers eyes watch for messages. When sshd tried to start, it flashed a useful error message. It seems that somehow (and I'm still looking into how) the sshd user got removed. So, since I did have ftp access to the box, I grabbed a copy of /etc/passwd, and manually re-added the sshd user. Then ftp'd it back into /tmp (no root access via ftp), and had my remote fingers put it back in /etc. sshd then started as it should. FYI: The failure above produced no traceable error in /var/log/messages. It only put in a line indicating that sshd failed to start, with no indication of why. All is now well. As to the how it got removed... I'm still unsure. I've checked for intrusions, and can't find any traces. I also run chkrootkit dailey, and it has not reported anything. I suspect I may have fat fingered it a short time ago, but just had not rebooted the box in recent history. The power outage forced my hand on that one, and brought the problem to the surface. Next project on that server: Set up a secondary way in... ;) Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] sshd server problem - HELP!
Actually, that does make some sense. I had recently upgraded ssh, and this was it's first crash since. So that's at least a plausable explanation. Thanks! I've been digging around on the box, and don't see any signs of intrusion. So I don't believe it was hacked (unless someone just has a really twisted sense of humor, that hacked past the firewall, onto the box, deleted the sshd user, and then left, covering all their tracks along the way... lol. There was also a backup copy of /etc/passwd sitting in /etc/passwd- The - makes it look like an automated upgrade, backup copy. So your explanation makes sense. Thanks again! Ric James Sparenberg wrote: Had this happen once on my home box. The only thing I could conclude was that it had something to do with the journal or some other redundant protection... Same situation a box that went down suddenly do to power failure. (the lightning strike popped the UPS but didn't get to the server.) When it restarted the passwd file had apparently been restored from either the shadow or another form of redundancy that didn't have the ssh user. (This was the first restart on this box since ssh had been upgraded.) End result the ssh user was gone. Don't know if this helps in any way but... it's a thought. James On Wed, 2003-01-08 at 07:53, Tibbetts, Ric wrote: Toshiro wrote: Linux Server sitting in Seattle, I'm in Florida. The Linux Server crashed due to a power failure (I know, it needs a UPS). When the server came back up, it came up, sans sshd. So I cannot get on it to check it out. I also cannot get on to diagnose the problem with sshd, because ssh is my only access (kinda a catch-22 isn't it?). Is the server doing anything at all? My first guess is filesystem corruption with errors that require human intervention (it happened to me a couple of times). Ask someone to look at the console to see if that's what happened. What I always do in your situation (remote box) is to configure a serial console so I can see what's going on when problems arise THanks! I have this one solved. Somehow (I'm still investigating how), the sshd user had gotten deleted. sshd will not run without it. Once I restored that (with the help of my remote fingers), all returned to normal. Ric __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] sshd server problem - HELP!
All; I have an interesting challenge. Some speculation will be required to solve this one! The situation: Linux Server sitting in Seattle, I'm in Florida. The Linux Server crashed due to a power failure (I know, it needs a UPS). When the server came back up, it came up, sans sshd. So I cannot get on it to check it out. I also cannot get on to diagnose the problem with sshd, because ssh is my only access (kinda a catch-22 isn't it?). Further complicating it: I Have no one on site, that knows spit about computers, that can help. The best that can be offered is a pair of fingers, that are extremely computer illerate. Somehow, I need to diagnose the problem, and find a way to fix it. Any suggestions will be greatfully accepted. Any guesses on what would be snagging up sshd? All I know is that it failes to start, both on boot, and via service sshd start. I don't know what's in the logs, I can't get to them. I know this is vague, but it's all I have to go on at the moment. Any suggestions, speculations, WAGs will be very greatfully accepted! Also: Telnet is not installed, so enabling that is not a solution. Thank you! Ric PS: The server is running on Mandrake 8.1 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] sshd server problem - HELP!
Brian wrote: On Tue, 07 Jan 2003 10:09:59 -0500 Tibbetts, Ric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All; I have an interesting challenge. Some speculation will be required to solve this one! The situation: Linux Server sitting in Seattle, I'm in Florida. The Linux Server crashed due to a power failure (I know, it needs a UPS). When the server came back up, it came up, sans sshd. So I cannot get on it to check it out. I also cannot get on to diagnose the problem with sshd, because ssh is my only access (kinda a catch-22 isn't it?). Further complicating it: I Have no one on site, that knows spit about computers, that can help. The best that can be offered is a pair of fingers, that are extremely computer illerate. Somehow, I need to diagnose the problem, and find a way to fix it. Any suggestions will be greatfully accepted. Any guesses on what would be snagging up sshd? All I know is that it failes to start, both on boot, and via service sshd start. I don't know what's in the logs, I can't get to them. I know this is vague, but it's all I have to go on at the moment. Any suggestions, speculations, WAGs will be very greatfully accepted! Also: Telnet is not installed, so enabling that is not a solution. Thank you! Ric PS: The server is running on Mandrake 8.1 You need to find out for sure if it's sshd not starting or access is blocked. (service sshd status) Any steps to correct a non-starting sshd are quite difficult for a 'computer illiterate pair of fingers' although a 'tail /var/log/messages' may be useful if done right after attempting to start sshd. Yeah, it's deffinately not starting. We tried service sshd start, and it fails. My guess is either a jammed filesystem, or an orphaned lock file. But with no access, it's just a guess. I'd LOVE to get ahold of /var/log/messages. But there is no one there that can open it, much less be able to decipher the contents. The solution to sshd will be a simple one. It was running fine, until the server crashed. So it's just an abandoned file that is blocking things. (or possibly /var, or /tmp are full.. ). My fingers up there won't be available for a while yet today. I'm hoping to talk them through a df to see if something filled up...Typing df is really easy. Reading the output isn't (for a total computer illerate!)... I guess I needed a post holiday challenge, to get the brain jump started after the time off.. :) Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] sshd server problem - HELP!
Yes it is, and yes, ftp is enabled. Unfortunately, that won't help either. I could drop the telnet rpm in /tmp, and have my fingers install it. But... the telnet ports are not enabled at the firewall (paranoid..). Right now, I have one way in: ftp, as a regular user. I can get something of a look around. But so far, haven't seen anything unusual. I've checked /var/run/*.pid files, and /var/lock... but there's nothing there that would affect sshd. (to bad ftp doesn't understand things like df...). I might try a doctored passwd file to give my user ID root access. Then I could grab a copy of /var/log/messages, and see what the heck happened. It seems to be my only option. Ric Jim C wrote: Is FTP installed? You could upoad an rpm and a script and then just have someone log in, execute the script and log out. Alternatively you could mail it to them. Tibbetts, Ric wrote: All; I have an interesting challenge. Some speculation will be required to solve this one! The situation: Linux Server sitting in Seattle, I'm in Florida. The Linux Server crashed due to a power failure (I know, it needs a UPS). When the server came back up, it came up, sans sshd. So I cannot get on it to check it out. I also cannot get on to diagnose the problem with sshd, because ssh is my only access (kinda a catch-22 isn't it?). Further complicating it: I Have no one on site, that knows spit about computers, that can help. The best that can be offered is a pair of fingers, that are extremely computer illerate. Somehow, I need to diagnose the problem, and find a way to fix it. Any suggestions will be greatfully accepted. Any guesses on what would be snagging up sshd? All I know is that it failes to start, both on boot, and via service sshd start. I don't know what's in the logs, I can't get to them. I know this is vague, but it's all I have to go on at the moment. Any suggestions, speculations, WAGs will be very greatfully accepted! Also: Telnet is not installed, so enabling that is not a solution. Thank you! Ric PS: The server is running on Mandrake 8.1 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] IRC Chat server software
All; I need to set up a small (private) IRC Chat server. Can anyone recommend any good software? Thanks! Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] IRC Chat server software
Jack Coates wrote: On Fri, 2002-12-20 at 05:16, Tibbetts, Ric wrote: All; I need to set up a small (private) IRC Chat server. Can anyone recommend any good software? Thanks! I've always just used ircd -- easy like pie. The challenge is in choosing and configuring a bot :-) Thanks! I'm looking at it now. I noticed that Mandrake includes a line in /etc/services for ircd, on the usual port 6667. Bots: eggdrop? Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] IRC Chat server software
Jack Coates wrote: On Fri, 2002-12-20 at 05:16, Tibbetts, Ric wrote: All; I need to set up a small (private) IRC Chat server. Can anyone recommend any good software? Thanks! I've always just used ircd -- easy like pie. The challenge is in choosing and configuring a bot :-) One more thing. Have you worked up an entry for xinetd? Or are you not starting it from there? Thanks again!!! Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] LDAP -Got it -
Tibbetts, Ric wrote on Mon, Dec 16, 2002 at 10:57:59AM -0800 : All; Thank you for the assist. Vincent: An excellent write up on LDAP! With that write up in hand, I got my client to connect to the company LDAP server. Now if I can just solve that pesky lock up problem.. Lockup? Or problem shutting down a client that's configured to use the ldap libs? A workaround should be: 1) boot into single user mode 2) ldd the pam_ldap and nss_ldap binaries. 3) move the libs that it needs from /usr/lib to /lib and rerun ldconfig. The issue is that powerdown invokes something at a point where /usr has already been unmounted. I think that needs to be changed to statically linked myself, but not sure what's going to be done at it (it's being discussed ATM in Cooker). Now that you mention it, the shutdown thing was irritating... Thanks for the workaround.. But no, that wasn't the lockup problem. The Lockup was with the NIC. If I tried to do anything to cause network traffic, the box locked solid. I'd occationally get errors from the NIC (an integrated eepro100). I finally tossed a second card in it, and disabled the first. It's not the best answer, but it worked. Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] Nvidia driver chaos! HEAVENS!!!
On Monday December 16 2002 07:02 pm, Tibbetts, Ric wrote: Actually, there is no acceleration for an nVidia card under the default nv driver. Check the documentation. You need to install the nvidia drivers to get that. Ric I didn't bother responding to the first post of the sort that there is no acceleration for an nVidia card under the default nv driver because I reckon'd most discerning people usin XF 4.2.1, would recognize it as wrong, foolishness, or at least blinded by unawareness. 3d/accel is now a _FACT_ (albeit limited) for nvidia with XFree86 Partly right Tom. But keep reading. I think you'll find that you may get software 3d out of the nv drivers, but not hardware. In fact, there is even a choice when you do the set up to use XFree 4.xx (with no acceleration), or XFree 3.xx with acceleration. As far as the open source issue... It's been beat to death.. get over it. Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] LDAP
Thank you! I'll be looking at that today. At first glance, my configuration looks good.. it just doesn't work.. ;) (obviously, I'm missing something somewhere, and I need to look deeper). Ric -Original Message- From: Todd Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 6:36 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] LDAP -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Vincent Danen wrote on Fri, Dec 13, 2002 at 10:37:36AM -0700 : LDAP experts out there shed some light on this for me? Have you looked here: http://www.mandrakesecure.net/en/docs/ldap-auth.php Vincent's document is a step by step terrific document for configuring both client and server. Please do follow it there and it will work for you. Part of what you're up against is that you must understand how LDAP works first. Once you gain that understanding, all the authentication stuff will make sense too. Blue skies... Todd - -- MandrakeSoft USA http://www.mandrakesoft.com cat /boot/vmlinuz /dev/dsp #for great justice Cooker Version mandrake-release-9.1-0.1mdk Kernel 2.4.20-2mdk -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9+m7Hlp7v05cW2woRAh9bAJ9pP4nAC1YImWh5YmsweYLrIlBjbACdGJ3E 5jg0JgIp2CX3DaPocWYSlFA= =Ob4L -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] LDAP -Got it -
All; Thank you for the assist. Vincent: An excellent write up on LDAP! With that write up in hand, I got my client to connect to the company LDAP server. Ric Now if I can just solve that pesky lock up problem.. -Original Message- From: Tibbetts, Ric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 7:38 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [expert] LDAP Thank you! I'll be looking at that today. At first glance, my configuration looks good.. it just doesn't work.. ;) (obviously, I'm missing something somewhere, and I need to look deeper). Ric -Original Message- From: Todd Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 6:36 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] LDAP -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Vincent Danen wrote on Fri, Dec 13, 2002 at 10:37:36AM -0700 : LDAP experts out there shed some light on this for me? Have you looked here: http://www.mandrakesecure.net/en/docs/ldap-auth.php Vincent's document is a step by step terrific document for configuring both client and server. Please do follow it there and it will work for you. Part of what you're up against is that you must understand how LDAP works first. Once you gain that understanding, all the authentication stuff will make sense too. Blue skies... Todd - -- MandrakeSoft USA http://www.mandrakesoft.com cat /boot/vmlinuz /dev/dsp #for great justice Cooker Version mandrake-release-9.1-0.1mdk Kernel 2.4.20-2mdk -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9+m7Hlp7v05cW2woRAh9bAJ9pP4nAC1YImWh5YmsweYLrIlBjbACdGJ3E 5jg0JgIp2CX3DaPocWYSlFA= =Ob4L -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] Nvidia driver chaos! HEAVENS!!!
Actually, there is no acceleration for an nVidia card under the default nv driver. Check the documentation. You need to install the nvidia drivers to get that. Ric -Original Message- From: Ricardo Castanho de Oliveira Freitas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 12:26 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] Nvidia driver chaos! HEAVENS!!! On Qua 11 Dez 2002 07:17, Simon Naish wrote: Is that to taken seriously? I got 715.600fps on my gf2 with nvidia drivers! Just to be sure. that's 3758 frames in 5 seconds! Ricardo Just my 2 cents worth but as far as I can tell there is no hardware acceleration available from the nv driver. 340 fps is seriously poor for the small window of gears, and bout right for no hardware accelertion, try 6000 (yup 6000) fps with hardware acceleration and a reasonable to good modern graphics card. I cant see the open source drivers getting close :o( for a very very very long time. - Original Message - From: Ronald J. Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 15:14:41 -0500 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] Nvidia driver chaos! On Tuesday 10 December 2002 11:06 am, you wrote: XFree's nv driver does have 3d/accel, XFree86-4.2.1. My GeF2 gets 35 fps with glxgears in fullscreen, 1024x768x16. 340 fps in the smaller default window using the nv driver. Either try the older 2960 nvidia src.rpms, or if limited 3d/accel is all you need, avoid the nvidia binary crap altogether. Tom, does this mean that sometime (with ongoing development?) in the future we might actually see the fully open sourced drivers being comparable to performance to the closed ones? It would be nice to be able to drop the proprietary drivers... Got my fingers crossed! :-) -- /\ Dark Lord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- == Linux user # 102240 = Machine # 96125 = Seti@home user == http://counter.li.org/ Get Counted! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Hard Lockup on Netvista
All; I was given an IBM Netvista (1.6 P4) (ok... they plopped it on my desk at work...). I loaded a fresh install of Mandrake 9.0 on it. It loaded booted normally. But... If I do anything with the network, it locks up solid. The only hope is to hit the power button. Occationally, I get the following message on the console (if I'm lucky!) eepro100: wait_for_cmd_done timeout! And .. The last time I booted the box, It gave that error while booting! Obviously, there's a problem withthe eepro100 driver.(?) Do any of you know of a cure for this? Thanks in advance! Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] LDAP
All; I need to connect my Mdk 9.0 box to an LDAP server. NIS is a piece of cake, but I've never messed with LDAP. I configured the DN, and the LDAP server in ldap.conf. ldapsearch -x produces a page full of info. But.. I can't get any user ID's off the server, for login authentication. I've found tons of documentation on configuring a serer, but nothing on configuring a client. Would one of you LDAP experts out there shed some light on this for me? Thank you! Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] Java
How about: java -version Ric -Original Message- From: Jack Coates [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 10:35 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] Java On Fri, 2002-12-13 at 05:00, Felix Miata wrote: # rpm -qa | grep ava # OK, what's the secret code to find out what java version is installed? -- If you are wise, your wisdom will reward you. . . . Proverbs 9:12 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/ Look for jre or jdk -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: A Scientific Venture... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] Java
Just a hunch... My Mandrake installations have always installed Kaffe instead of java. Try: rpm -qa | grep kaffe Ric -Original Message- From: Felix Miata [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 10:59 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] Java Tibbetts, Ric wrote: From: Jack Coates [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Fri, 2002-12-13 at 05:00, Felix Miata wrote: # rpm -qa | grep ava # OK, what's the secret code to find out what java version is installed? How about: java -version Minor progress only, as the result is quite unexpected and incomplete. Mozilla problems are causing people to recommend upgrading java from v1.3 to v1.4. In 9.0, 'java -version' and 'java -fullversion' both report version 1.1, just-in-time v3 version 1.0.7; and neither report which rpm is responsible for its presence. -- If you are wise, your wisdom will reward you. . . . Proverbs 9:12 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] Java
# rpm -e `rpm -qa | grep kaffe` To remove it. Then go get java and install it. Ric -Original Message- From: Felix Miata [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 11:56 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] Java Tibbetts, Ric wrote: Just a hunch... My Mandrake installations have always installed Kaffe instead of java. Try: rpm -qa | grep kaffe A real cute bunch of developers. How does a user relate the version this reports to the standard Java versions, like 1.1, 1.3, 1.4 2.0? -- If you are wise, your wisdom will reward you. . . . Proverbs 9:12 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] OT: PDA Question
Lots of good stuff. Just what I expected from this list. The Zaurus seems to have my attention, if for no other reason than it runs on Linux, and it's not a Compaq product (long story, but I'm not a Compaq fan). Right now, I really just need a portable address book. BUT, I also know myself well enough to know that once I have the extras, I'll start using them. ;) So why limit myself by buying less than what I'll need tomorrow? I did some digging about the Zaurus, and it looks pretty complete. The salesman at Office Depot isn't impressed, and almost refused to show it to me. When I asked about it (they have them on display), he just laughed and said: oh that. It runs on Linux. It's not catching on though because there's no software... Here, let me show you the new XYZ Whizbang After looking around, I translated the There's no software to mean We can't sell you the software, so we don't care about the PDA. There's plenty of software out there, and it's free! (so much for Mr. Salesman). Does anyone know if it will plug into one of those PDA keyboards? I know it has one built in, but it would not be practical for any real typing. Thanks for all the comments so far! The input from folks that have these things really helps. Ric Tibbetts Unix Systems Administration The early bird may get the worm, But the second mouse gets the cheese. -Original Message- From: Ric Tibbetts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 11:13 AM To: Mandrake Expert List Subject: [expert] OT: PDA Question All; Ok, this is WAAAY off topic, but I figured that if anyone in the world would have an opinion on this, it would you you. ;) I've finally hit the point that I can't remember everything. I need a portable way to carry information around with me. In short, I need a PDA (gasp.. sob... I never thought I'd come to this...). I've been looking around, and there's about a half million of them out there. I'd sure appreciated any suggestions on which are good, and which are just fodder. I found one at Office Depot called Zarus. It run on Linux (cool!). The software that was on it looked good, but how does it compare to some of the more mainstream PDA? Should I just stick with a Palm? Any input will be gratefully accepted. I'm really just starting this search, and I've never paid any attention to them in the past, so it's all new territory. Thanks in advance! Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: Re[2]: [expert] Passwd file conversion?
Are you sure?? I have a Linux box getting users and passwords via NIS off a Solaris server and have no problems using the same password on the Linux box and the Sun's as well. Serving passwords via NIS is not the same thing as copying the password file. The hash in the second field will probably not work. (I can't say for positive though). If you're really curious, copy the originals over to a file named /etc/passwd.orig, and then copy the sun versions into place. If that doesn't work, just change them back. Nuthin' like a little ol' trial error research. Ric Tibbetts Unix Systems Administration The early bird may get the worm, But the second mouse gets the cheese. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] Hey Civileme
Lyvim Xaphir wrote: Christ, JC!! You too? Depressed, LX Ya, me too! I have been doing some 1099 work around the country but here in the last few months, things are really drying up in the IT sector. It is really tough out there. I don't think we will ever see the good times again, like the job I did for Charles Schwab Company at $105.00 per hour, and that was just last year. Ah! But to pine away for the good old days... It's hitting us all. I'm on a 1099 at the moment, but it's limping along a month at a time. It could end any moment. (this gig was supposed to end late July, but extended until late Sept whew). And the radar is quiet for new work. The IT Sector is a ghost town. Ah for the good old days of year+ long contracts at $100+ an hour. sigh Ric Tibbetts Unix Systems Administration The early bird may get the worm, But the second mouse gets the cheese. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] Bastille killed nfs! :-(
-Original Message- From: Ronald J. Hall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 12:33 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] Bastille killed nfs! :-( On Wednesday 14 August 2002 10:25 am, you wrote: LOL Sorry.. Been there, done that. I cut a server off at the knees doing things like that. The toughest lesson I had to learn when I first got into Unix many years ago: Screw the GUI, do it by hand. Then when something breaks, you know what it was, and how to fix it. vi/iptables is your friend. Don't trust your site security to a GUI, it's like trusting your 5 year old with a loaded 357. JMHO-YMMV -- Ric Tibbetts Unix Systems Admin. Hi Ric. Yep...I'm catching on. :-) -- An old saying: Computing experience is measured in the amount of data lost. So true... So true! In a shop I worked in a while back, they were really strict about the tools. Any new admin coming in had to prove themselves before they could use the canned tools. So you did everything by hand, until they (the Sr. Admins) were convinced that you actually knew what you were doing. Then you could use the tools. Actually, not a bad thing. At least you knew that the people you were working with could actually handle an extreme situation if one came up. For example: It's 2:00am, and the server is down. You get woke up by the pager (damn, why does it always go off when I'm on call?!?). You scurry into the data center to find the server a smoking hulk. (For this example, let's pretend it's a Linux server). You manage to get it running by booting it from a CD, but you can forget X. You're on an ASCII terminal. At this point, you're looking at a text screen, and the only thing mounted are temporary filesystems that the boot process created when you booted it from the CD. You need to find your drives, get them mounted, and make a working environment. All that before you can even try to figure out why it crashed in the first place. And that slick GUI is hours away... --- GUI's are nice. But they're no substitute for knowing what's happening under the covers. It can mean the difference between reloading a box over something minor, or being able to get through the trial by fire above, and save the box. Ric Tibbetts Unix Systems Administration The early bird may get the worm, But the second mouse gets the cheese. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] Bastille killed nfs! :-(
On Thursday 15 August 2002 07:35 am, you wrote: An old saying: Computing experience is measured in the amount of data lost. Thats a great example. I'm not a sysadmin or anything remotely approaching that (or does home sysadmin count? smile) but its interesting for me to hear the stories from everyone on this list. PS I'm a respiratory therapist by profession, Linux user by choice! :-) You're administrating the home box. That makes you an admin. ;^) Ric Tibbetts Unix Systems Administration The early bird may get the worm, But the second mouse gets the cheese Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] Bastille killed nfs! :-(
-Original Message- From: daRcmaTTeR [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 10:38 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] Bastille killed nfs! :-( On Thu, 15 Aug 2002, Ronald J. Hall wrote: On Thursday 15 August 2002 07:35 am, you wrote: An old saying: Computing experience is measured in the amount of data lost. Thats a great example. I'm not a sysadmin or anything remotely approaching that (or does home sysadmin count? smile) but its interesting for me to hear the stories from everyone on this list. PS I'm a respiratory therapist by profession, Linux user by choice! :-) I'd be really interested to know how successful he was in bringing that beast back to life after such an ordeal. That was actually not such an extreme example. Just one that tends to intimidate new admins because the system as you know it, isn't there. You're working from a bunch of temporary mounts. It's actually not that big a deal to fix. Just a royal pain in the ass because it always seems to happen at 2:00am, when I'm the one on call.. LOL I just finished doing a similar one on an IBM. The box wouldn't finish booting. So I couldn't get to the console. We had to string a serial cable to it, and get an ascii terminal running. It turned out that the system had crashed, and true to AIX, it was trying to write a report out to tape to send off to IBM (they're so helpful!). But since there was no tape in the drive, it couldn't, so it hung. Trouble was, it wasn't booted far enough to reach the console, so the only way to cancel the hung job was via an ascii teminal. Once the job was killed, the box very happily finished booting, and all is well. grief. But without knowing how to set up a quick ascii term, and run without a GUI, I'd have lost the server over a trivial thing. It just pays to spend the time to learn to do things without the GUI. GUIs are nice. I agree. There are times that I still use them. But in *nix, there are times when it just isn't there. Personally, I'm not that fond of rebuilding systems. It's one thing with a desktop, it's another entirely to loose an enterprise server. ;) Anyway, I'll get off my soap box. Ric Tibbetts Unix Systems Administration The early bird may get the worm, But the second mouse gets the cheese. -- daRmaTTeR Reg. Linux User #186492 Stupidity has no moral high ground...it can't see that high! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] Thanks Civileme (was Mandrake Club advocates: PostPo sitive)
On Tue, 13 Aug 2002, Tibbetts, Ric wrote: But one does have to wonder how much Civileme's attitude will change. ;) In the past, we could always count on his level-headedness in defending some of Mandrakesofts decisions, and to point out the good business sense behind them. It has been a calming influence in many discussions on this list that have, at times become heated. It will be interesting to see if he can maintain that calm now. And if he'll be so quick to defend Mandrakesoft. Just some stray thoughts, from a madman... Although, I never did quite figure out how to pronounce your name! G -- Ric Tibbetts Unix Systems Admin. Ric, I don't look for them to change at all. Once level-headed always level-headed. :) Yeah, I know. And we all appreciate him. My comment was more tongue-in-cheek in nature, and directed not so much at his in-depth knowledge of Linux, and willingness to help, as much toward his past support, and defense of MandrakeSoft. But again, it was intended to be light-hearted in nature. Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] Bastille killed nfs! :-(
LOL Sorry.. Been there, done that. I cut a server off at the knees doing things like that. The toughest lesson I had to learn when I first got into Unix many years ago: Screw the GUI, do it by hand. Then when something breaks, you know what it was, and how to fix it. vi/iptables is your friend. Don't trust your site security to a GUI, it's like trusting your 5 year old with a loaded 357. JMHO-YMMV -- Ric Tibbetts Unix Systems Admin. f u cn rd ths u cn gt a gd jb n nx dmnstrtn -Original Message- From: Ronald J. Hall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 2:32 PM To: Mandrake Expert List Subject: [expert] Bastille killed nfs! :-( Well, I had nfs running perfectly, and then (sadly) I ran BastilleChooser. I picked lax and workstation. Now, I've no longer got nfs. I finally removed all Bastille RPMs thru the software manager, but I still have no nfs. Its installed, its checked under services. If I do a rpcinfo -p, I get this: [root@darkforce darklord]# rpcinfo -p program vers proto port 102 tcp111 portmapper 102 udp111 portmapper 1000241 udp 32768 status 1000241 tcp 32768 status 6001000691 udp797 fypxfrd 6001000691 tcp799 fypxfrd 3910022 tcp 32769 sgi_fam I can do a service nfs restart and directly run rpc.nfsd and then I get: [root@darkforce darklord]# rpcinfo -p program vers proto port 102 tcp111 portmapper 102 udp111 portmapper 1000241 udp 32768 status 1000241 tcp 32768 status 6001000691 udp797 fypxfrd 6001000691 tcp799 fypxfrd 3910022 tcp 32769 sgi_fam 151 udp 32770 mountd 151 tcp 32770 mountd 152 udp 32770 mountd 152 tcp 32770 mountd 153 udp 32770 mountd 153 tcp 32770 mountd 132 udp 2049 nfs 133 udp 2049 nfs 1000211 udp 32771 nlockmgr 1000213 udp 32771 nlockmgr 1000214 udp 32771 nlockmgr Now, nfs is up and running. Until I reboot. Then I have to go thru the same thing again. So my questions are: How to get nfs auto running at boot up again? How can a person use Bastille so that it doesn't kill nfs and your LAN? Thanks everyone... -- /\ DarkLord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] Thanks Civileme (was Mandrake Club advocates: PostPositive)
But one does have to wonder how much Civileme's attitude will change. ;) In the past, we could always count on his level-headedness in defending some of Mandrakesofts decisions, and to point out the good business sense behind them. It has been a calming influence in many discussions on this list that have, at times become heated. It will be interesting to see if he can maintain that calm now. And if he'll be so quick to defend Mandrakesoft. Just some stray thoughts, from a madman... Although, I never did quite figure out how to pronounce your name! G -- Ric Tibbetts Unix Systems Admin. -Original Message- From: David Rankin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 1:11 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] Thanks Civileme (was Mandrake Club advocates: PostPositive) The true mark of great leadership within a company is management's ability to attract and maintain key individuals. Whatever the backdrop to the situation actually is, Mandrakesoft's inability to maitain its relationship with Civileme is an incredible loss both to Mandrakesoft and to us all. Best of luck to you Civileme in whatever your future holds, but one request: PLEASE, PLEASE DO NOT LEAVE THE LIST! Daniel Woods wrote: civileme wrote: I am one of the people bit by the cutbacks to keep Mandrake afloat and I STILL agree that their policy is on track. The idiots (and I can and will use that word for the lamers whose heads are so wrapped up in business they can't see five minutes into the future, now that I am not a Mandrakesoft Employee) who retreat to the tried and true business principles practiced successfully only by monopolies the minute the going gets a little rough, simply do not understand this market NOR do they notice where Mandrakesoft's assets are. Civileme Sorry to hear about this Civileme... and you're right, it's obvious they don't have a clue where their true assets are in the company. You being one of those that make Mandrake Linux the best Linux distro around. I for one would like to cast a vote of thanks to Civileme for all the wisdom he has brought to MY world of Linux use. A couple of years ago while still in Alaska Civileme was instrumental in opening my eyes to the world of Linux (NFS) networking, without his kind help I would still be sitting on the sidelines wondering wot in 'ell is all this G.. My heartfelt thanks and please don't get lost. Thanks... Dan. Dan Woods University of Calgary Information Technology Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- David C. Rankin, J.D., P.E. RANKIN * BERTIN, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 (936) 715-9333 (936) 715-9339 fax Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] Pauses with FTP and POP3
Short answer: Sounds like a DNS (Name Server) problem. Check your DNS setup. Ric -Original Message- From: Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 1:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [expert] Pauses with FTP and POP3 I have a new Mdk 8.2 server that is handling FTP and POP 3 services, the initial connect takes a very long time, up to a minute. Once the connection is made it is super fast, but it is the connection that is taking forever. Has anyone else experienced this and is there a way to tweak it? Running ProFTP for FTP and imap for POP3 on Mandrake 8.2 on an IBM Netfinity Server. Thanks, -Scott Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] LDAP Documentation
All; Can anyone recommend a good text on LDAP? I need to start from scratch with it, and I'm hoping to save some time digging through a ton of useless text. Thank you! Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] want no KDE on start up
Sounds like you have auto login turned on. Go to the Mandrake Control Center. Under Boot, turn off the Auto Login option. Then reboot the box. It should now come up to a login screen. From that, you can select the different window managers from the pull down menu. Ric -Original Message- From: J Herzfeld [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 11:40 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [expert] want no KDE on start up I am not sure if this is a newbie or an expert question, so apologies if I am wrong (anyway I am not subscribed to the newbie list) My system (8.2) brings up KDE on boot up. I'd rather it would stop at the console and not start up KDE or Gnome or anything. After I do my console thing, I'd bring up whatever WM I wanted by hand. I am anxious to try out some new less resource intensive WM's. Thanks. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] LDAP Documentation
Ok, I've found enough LDAP Documentation to make my eyes bleed. ;) www.openldap.org is a good spot, as is www.ldapzone.com thanks! Ric -Original Message- From: Todd Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 12:53 PM To: Expert (E-mail) Subject: Re: [expert] LDAP Documentation Tibbetts, Ric wrote on Thu, Jul 18, 2002 at 05:42:14AM -0700 : All; Can anyone recommend a good text on LDAP? I need to start from scratch with it, and I'm hoping to save some time digging through a ton of useless text. Have a look at http://www.cerritoslug.org/tutorials/qmail-ldap. The problem is that you are looking for an ldap howto, and that tutorial is about an application that kind of assumes you already know a bit about both ldap and qmail. But it's still good reading. Ric, if you already understand how a file system works, then you already understand how a directory works. 1) Access the file modules.conf. You can't be just anywhere and access it. You can only access modules.conf if you are in /etc. But you CAN access it from anywhere if you give the full path: /etc/modules.conf. The equivalent in a directory is called the DN or Designated Name. The DN is /etc/modules.conf and the Relative DN (or RDN) is modules.conf. In the case of LDAP, a good example is uid=todd,ou=People,o=mrball. Read it from right to left, just like a domain name. 2) Access the file make. This can be found anywhere just by typing make. Why? Because there's a search PATH defined that looks in several places, one of which is /usr/bin, where make is located. The equivalent in a directory is called indexes. In the directory example uid=todd,ou=People,o=mrball, I index the uid field so that it can quickly find users when I search for them. There's a lot to it, and if you can learn by doing, you get a pretty good handle on it. Blue skies... Todd -- Todd Lyons -- MandrakeSoft, Inc. http://www.mandrakesoft.com/ UNIX was not designed to stop you from doing stupid things, because that would also stop you from doing clever things. -- Doug Gwyn Cooker Version mandrake-release-8.3-0.2mdk Kernel 2.4.18-21mdk Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] Travan Tape drives
Anyone know any reason why I should NOT go buy a Travan, IDE ATAPI-base tape drive and use it for Mandrake? I always found them to be a pain to use. Getting them to work right is the first hurdle. Seemed like I was constantly messing with it. Even once it was running, it was slow. Real slow, and not so reliable. Then there's the cost of the tapes. By the time you stock a decent backup library, you've spent a fortune on tapes. I seem to remember them costing in the neighborhood of $65 a piece! SCSI DAT is a much better way to go. Faster, quieter, more reliable, and the tapes are FAR less expensive. Overall, if you run the numbers, you'll find that the total cost of ownership of a DAT drive is actually cheaper than a Travan. Even though they cost more initially, the savings comes in the media. JMHO-YMMV Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] file size limit exceeded error part 2
The file you're looking for is: /etc/security/limits.conf There is a line in there that limits file size. Just increase it as needed. I do not recommend commenting it out, doing so could jepordize your system. Ric Well I checked the temp directory for this app and the files are being truncated at exactly 100MB. So it seems that my file size limit is 100MB. Where do I change this for the system? Darren On Mon, 2002-07-08 at 21:11, Darren King wrote: I am running 8.2 and using reiserfs. I use a P2P application for (legal) file sharing. I am having a problem with my app but it points to the osit happens at the same time, all the time. At the exact same point of trying to write a 136 (approx) MB file, I get that error and the app quits. BTW, the app is written in java if that matters. [1]+ File size limit exceededjava -jar Furthur.jar I tried playin with ulimit but it didn't help. any ideas... Darren Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] unsubsribe expert
James did utter into the folds of space: Ric, Personally having been moved from the land of sunshine and warm beaches to the land of Cold-Sunshine and wetsuit beaches (Silly-con Valley Silly-cone Valley being Hollywood) I would appreciate any information you can give us on your research into String Theory... (or is that A string which is Theoretically a bikini?) James LOL I suspect photographic evidence is required to convert the non-believers :) Would ANY research be complete without photographic evidence? Surely no one would simply take my word for it! I've also found a local beach, where they have forgone the string all together (both top, AND bottom). Thus supporting the theory that the string is undesirable, and should be discarded. Immediately! (photographic evidence for those not living in the land of sunshine may follow, upon request). ;) Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] Triple boot system mounting problems
The Linux 2.2.x series kernel does not support Reiserfs. You would have to either patch the kernel, or more simply, update it with a more current version. Ric -Original Message- From: Mohammed Dakna [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 5:00 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [expert] Triple boot system mounting problems Hello, 1) I have setup a triple boot system with WinMe(fat32), Mandrake7.2(reiserfs) and Mandrake8.2(reiserfs,ext2). I am using lilo to switch between the systems at boot. Evrything is working fine. I only have the fololwing problem. I have given within Mandarke8.2 partion mount points to the 7.2 partition and WinMe all is mounted fine at boot. However within Mandarke7.2 I only can mount the WinMe (fat32)partition and one Mandrake8.2 partition (ext2). Trying to mount the others (reiserfs) as: mount -t reiserfs /dev/hdb6 /82usr fails with the message: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdb6, or too many mounted file systems Could any one tell me if there is a compatibilty problem between the reifer FS in both mandrakes (7.2 and 8.2) and if there is a way to work arround this. 2) I am using the Ltools to reach from within WinMe the ext2 partition since the Ltools were not able to read or write to reiser partions is there another tool for that purpose on the web ? Thanks Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] X Freezes
On Thu, 2002-06-06 at 19:56, Andrew Berry wrote: I am running: Mandrake 8.2, KDE3, IceWM, XFree86 4.2.0. Hardware: P166 MMX 64 Mb Ram 120 Mb Swap S3 Virge 2D card Monster3D Voodoo1 3D card Dual boot with Windows 98se using graphical LILO. My computer seems to randomly freeze up. It stops responding to everything (mouse, keyboard, CTRL+ALT+BKSPC). This only happens when I am running X11. I haven't found a pattern that shows a specific app causing the freeze. I have had combinations of IceWM, KDE2.2 and 3, having combinations of StarOffice5.2, Konquoror, FreeAmp, and Ogg123, open when a crash occurs. I don't think that its a hardware issue, as this never happens under Win98SE, and HardDrake properly detected all my hardware. I have tried looking in some log files in /var/log to find a pattern. No luck. My questions: 1. Is there a systematic way to detemine what is causing the crashes? 2. What specific log files should I look at? 3. Anyone else had this problem? Fixes? FWIW: I'm having the same problem on an older IBM PC. Irritating! I'm running MDK 8.2 on another PC at home, and it behaves perfectly. The difference may indeed XFree86 4.0. I'm running 3.x at home. I haven't tried it on the one that freezes up yet. Might be worth a try. Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] X Access Problem
As usual, this one turned out to be caused from a totally different direction than the one I was looking in. (these things tend to hit me up-side the head, then I have to figure out what hit why!). Anyway, in my case, the access problem was a DNS issue (sheesh!). So mine is resolved. For a change, it wasn't msec. ;) Thanks for all the pointers! Ric -Original Message- From: Tibbetts, Ric Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 12:47 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: [expert] X Access Problem Ok, this one is probably really obvious. But I'm in a really stupid state today, and can't see it I just loaded a fresh install of 8.2 on a box. I also loaded KDE 3. Everything seems to be going good, except: When I telnet to another box, and export the display back, it gets refused (yes, I ran xhost on the box first). I also cannot X -query to another host, because of the same problem. Ok, so it's a built in security issue. Looks like X is turned off for remote hosts. How do I turn it back on? (and I know I've seen this before, and fixed it on another box... but the brain is locked up today...) Any light shed on this would be greatly appreciated. Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] X Access Problem
Ok, this one is probably really obvious. But I'm in a really stupid state today, and can't see it I just loaded a fresh install of 8.2 on a box. I also loaded KDE 3. Everything seems to be going good, except: When I telnet to another box, and export the display back, it gets refused (yes, I ran xhost on the box first). I also cannot X -query to another host, because of the same problem. Ok, so it's a built in security issue. Looks like X is turned off for remote hosts. How do I turn it back on? (and I know I've seen this before, and fixed it on another box... but the brain is locked up today...) Any light shed on this would be greatly appreciated. Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] Testing - Can't get messages on the list.
Looks like this one made it. Now I'll try the one that counts (the one with the question in it). Ric -Original Message- From: Tibbetts, Ric Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 12:43 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: [expert] Testing - Can't get messages on the list. Testing. I've not had much luck getting messages to post for some reason. Just testing to see if this one makes it. Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Testing - Can't get messages on the list.
Testing. I've not had much luck getting messages to post for some reason. Just testing to see if this one makes it. Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] X Access Problem
I've tried the below. It's stranger than that. If I drop to a VC, and try X -query remotehost -once :1 It fails with the error that it cannot open display. (nothing to be exported on that one.). There's no firewall running. It has to be an X permissions thing. It's just not allowing remote hosts to use the display. I just can't find it. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 1:37 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: Re: [expert] X Access Problem On Thu, 6 Jun 2002, Tibbetts, Ric wrote: Ok, this one is probably really obvious. But I'm in a really stupid state today, and can't see it I just loaded a fresh install of 8.2 on a box. I also loaded KDE 3. Everything seems to be going good, except: When I telnet to another box, and export the display back, it gets refused (yes, I ran xhost on the box first). I also cannot X -query to another host, because of the same problem. Ok, so it's a built in security issue. Looks like X is turned off for remote A few things that you might check: Is there a firewall running on either of the machines? If so, either allow the ports (IIRC, 6000) or if possible, disable the firewalling temporarily. Is name resolution working correctly between both machines? I.e., either have the entries in the hosts files or setup DNS. On a similar note, try disabling access control completely on the local machine with: xhost + then try running the app again. If it works, lock everything out with: xhost - then specifically allow the remote host. Are you exporting to the correct display? You might also try using an SSH session instead, since this may get around any blocked ports. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
