Re: [expert] No carrier - anyone?
Viktor, It might be your carrier, phone lines, ISP, or a squirrel in a tree. Anything is possible. What I do is log as /root and try ifup ppp0 . Once connected its easy enough to go back to KDE. Personally "if" has always worked for me better than kPPP every time. Don't forget to /root and then ifdown ppp0 to close your connection. Pj
Re: [expert] windows discovered me
Hey Aric, Relax, don't drink the beers and ponder this. I would use Partition Magic to remove all traces of Linux first. Then I would create a 2MB partition and format it as ext2. Then, and again, using Partition Magic I would create a 15mg partition at the top of C: drive (above Windows) and install Lilo. Then reinstall Red Hat or Mandrake 7.0. Once your Linux is operational you can go in and change Lilo to boot to either system - it doesn't care. If you don't, it will automatically boot into Linux. You can also change the boot time to more minutes and give yourself enough time to select your operating system. If you want to boot into Linux via diskette put LILO after the 1024 limit. It isn't necessarily recommended but I did it for a long time without any apparent negative effects. In either case, Windslop will NOT recognize or bother ext2 Linux. I understand the lastest distro from Mandrake includes a new journaling system called reiserfs. I don't know enough about it to make a statement except I believe at installation you have the option of choosing reiserfs or ext2. I've only used ext2 and I know this to work with Winslop without problems. I've done this a couple of times. Winslop totally ignores Linux, yet I can still access and change its files in the Linux invironmnet without any problems as long as I don't try to save them in a format unknown to Linux. As a very bad example, I can *save* as htm or .jpg or ascii format but not as Visual Basic or Office document. This is just my $.02 worth. I'm just a newbie hangin' out and listening. Pj
Re: [expert] Internet Mail Server
Well, the first thingyou cando is turn off the "send as HTML"feature anddon't select"Stationary"for list mail.Second, pleasedon't yell at us by sending large or all capital letters in your message,we can hear you. Lastly, pleaseinclude only ONEMandrakeGroup in your"reply to". You don't know what our mail servers are capable of doing, but we do. :-) Here is a site with hundreds of Linux how-to's, hints and tricks. It's good reading plusit will help you help yourself. I highy recommend that you spend some time learning before you jump into server mail. The owner is a Linux guruin real life. http://n3meq.dynip.com/ Pj - Original Message - From: Dilio Long M To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2000 12:53 PM Subject: [expert] Internet Mail Server Can you send me the instruction to configure an linux internet mail server I m new in linux. my linux version 7.0 with everythin what do i need to do to configure a internet mail server on linux 7.0 Desperado Dilio Long Announcing Your message here
[expert] Off Topic
Listers, For the "Expert" members that celebrate a holiday this time of year, I wish you joy, peace and prosperity for the coming year. For the "Mandrake" team that monitors this list, I wish you the same, especially peace, and hope you will join our spirited group more often. Happy Holidays, Pj
Re: [expert] Dialup Trouble...
- Original Message - From: Adam Koch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 25, 2000 9:35 AM Subject: [expert] Dialup Trouble... Hey all, I've just started using the ifup and ifdown scripts instead of KPPP for dialup. Just one problem though...I get an "Users cannot control this device." error every time I try to run the scripts. I've done a chmod 755 on /dev/modem and /dev/ttyS1 as well as each of the scripts. Any ideas? TIA Adam
Re: [expert] Mandrake in production
I hate to say this but the ISP's I know in the midwestern US run FreeBSD or Unix. I've been on one provider several years; his only planned downtime is hardware upgrades. It's the best connection in four-states and he runs FreeBSD.. Pj Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list.
Re: [expert] As a newbie :)
Don, This may not be helpful but the one thing I discovered about Linux is that if there is even a hint of hardware problems it does not install nicely and it's a nightmare to configure. I didn't know I had an I/O problem or bad memory as the problems were not consistent or persistent, but L-M knew it. Every piece of software required a forced install. By the time the problems were resolved I'd installed three new boards, 256 new memory and 4 new video cards. It is amazing the difference in sys performance now. Pj Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list.
Re: [expert] Duplicate message
About the list-bot... Normally the bot only sends duplicate messages under two conditions other than member error. About 3 times a year it seems to take a vacation and when it does everyone gets double and triple messages. Messages also seem to get fouled when the weather is bad, most notably in the winter and rainy seasons. Our four-state weather has been horrible for a week. I've received very few messages but only one has been in duplicate. Now this same nasty blizzard type weather is moving into the Midwest and East coast where root servers are located. The forecast is for -40 to -60 wind chill. I know it's going to affect the telco lines where I live even though we are a hub and I am 5-blocks from the switch. That said, I am positive that Mandrake is aware of the issues and is listening and will resolve the problem as soon as possible. Duplicate messages are irritating but is the price we occassionally pay for this service. Pj Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list.
Re: [expert] testing
Bill you are being received in the snow bound state of OK. Pj Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list.
Re: [expert] mandrake update: dies on reserfs_utils
It is my understanding that 7.2 is not compatable with previous distros. The only problem free "upgrade" to 7.2 which contains the new file system is to do a clean install. I was told the same will be true of the next distro which is scheduled to be released late spring or early summer. BTW, http://www.lsl.com has several different Mdk tools at $1.89 per CD. Pj Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list.
Re: [expert] Slow system
Sorry, I have to disagree. For our new users I'd like to reiterate that the three most common reasons that Linux does NOT recognize the correct amount of memory are: dirty RAM, mis-matched RAM (different manufacturers) and shared RAM. Shared RAM can be corrected with a one line script. Dirty RAM can be corrected by removing and cleaning the contacts. Mis-matched RAM can usually be corrected by buying two or more sticks from the same manufacturer or retailer at the same time. Be sure to check the sticks ID before you buy it. Linux will always recognize the correct amount of RAM. I have previously used 64EDO, 128 P-100, 160 P-100 and now I have 256 P-100 on a Tyan board with VIA chip. It was all recognized correctly at the first boot. Windows almost always recognizes the correct amount of memory just as it correctly identifies Winmodems. Unfortunately trying to compare Winblows with Linux is like trying to compare a cow and a sailboat. There is not comparison and Linux is a lot smarter too! I'd also like to make a comment about motherboards and Linux. I recently wrestled with a peculiar problem. I couldn't install Mandrake properly regardless of what I did, and I was limited basically to the command line. After nine months of fooling with the box, the BIOS, the VIA chips, etc., I found the board had a bad I/O connection and weak memory. Even though the memory was correctly recognized Linux was smart enough to know there was something wrong and would not perform properly. I haven't had a problem since I changed the board and memory. Pj Sarang Lakare wrote: I have a Via chip too.. and every version of mandrake found all 1.5 GB of RAM on it!.. Maybe u guys have one chipset thats broken.. write to the kernel mailing list to get it fixed! -sarang On Thursday 30 November 2000 18:35, you wrote: I'm a newbie just getting started with Linux, but if preponderance of evidence is helpful at all, I also have a VIA chipset, and Mandrake 7 hasn't found my RAM above 64MB... - Av - -- Av Pinzur / Crisp Graphics [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.crispgraphics.com/~newav -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Christian A Strømmen [Number1/NumeroUno] Sent: Thursday, 30 November, 2000 16:40 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Larry Tobos Subject: Re: [expert] Slow system On Thursday 30 November 2000 21:39, you wrote: In my case, Winblows gets the correct amount of memory... Forcing the detection in Lilo as suggested had the impact of freezing the system, until I reverted it ... The problem is hardware related: the kernel does not see the memory, even if it is there. I bet my problem is the VIA chipset support in the kernel Ahh.. Well, we fixed the performance with hdparm and mem=, but now, when the disk use is high (like when starting X) the computer freezes, the disk spins down and the harddisk light light constantly. The only thing I can figure is that it must be the ide chipset on the mainboard, which is a VIA chipset. I haven't gotten any response from anybody about this, so I'll past the last mail below and hope that someone will answer. If not we'll have to change the mainboard. Previous mail: I've had a lot of problems installin Linux Mandrake 7.2 at my friends computer. Sent a mail earlier about a problem with the system being terribly slow, and got a lot of good help on this, but encountered another problem (with might be related?) afterwards. I'll try to get this as specific as I possibly can. Please read on. The first problem I had was that the system was terribly slow, especially when starting X and other stuff that takes up more memory than just bash. I got two suggestions on how to deal with this; the first being to add "append="mem=128M"" in lilo, something that helped cause the kernel seemed to only see 64M. The second was that I should run hdparm to get the disk in 32bit mode and to use dma, I checked and the disk was running in 16bit and with dma turned off. So I fixed both of these problems and everything seemed to run a lot faster(16/no-dma=64M in 17seconds, 32/dma=64M in 3seconds). Then when I tried to install a big rpm from disk2 (hadn't started X yet) the system freezed. I could not do anything at all and the harddisk-light light constantly without the harddisk doing anything (it spinned down and got quiet). After rebooting the disk wasn't detected in the bios, I had to turn off again and then it was detected. I booted up again and tried to start X and kde2, but halfway into starting kde2 it locked again. It seemed after more tests that when there was a lot of activitiy on the disk it locked. I now shut off 32bit and dma on the disk believing that thi
Re: [expert] Slow system
Tom, Just for the sake of a good discussion, I said "common reasons." There are of course exceptions. The board and RAM I just replaced is a good example. The RAM was recognized in both Windows and Linux, yet 90MB of the 160MB were bad. It was sporadic. When it worked it was great but when it didn't it was a nightmare to diagnose. Pj Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list.
Re: [expert] Multiple attempted unauthorized accesses
I have a personal firewall set up on my Winbloze box. As soon as I made it active I noticed I was being scanned constantly from a machine with the same DNS. After four hours, I used ARIN to find the DNS and Netblock owners and sent appropriate messages. I haven't been bothered over much since. The next day I checked my system for open ports at www.grc.com to verify I was running in a secure "stealth" mode. The good news is that this free firewall fouls scanner attempts and allows me to secure the most common open ports. The bad news is that ports in the much higher numbers remain open, and is the reason I am building a box specifically for a Linux firewall. I previously contacted the folks at ALTER net and sent logs. They were most helpful as they don't like hackers and spammers either. Pj bill wrote: On Wed, 29 Nov 2000, gene wrote: There is an ip number that started showing up in my postfix logs as trying to access my smtp server (and access was apparently denied each time). I assumed that someone was trying to use my machine as a relay. To make sure that they can't get through, I blocked the ip address using ipchains. In one day, I now see over 600 failed attempts to access my computer. Should I just ignore this now that ipchains is blocking them, or is this something that should worry me. More details: ipchains message (my ip # x-ed out to protect the innocent): Nov 28 23:59:07 duck kernel: Packet log: input DENY eth1 PROTO=1 63.98.105.3:8 208.xxx.xxx.xx1:0 L=60 S=0x00 I=6793 F=0x T=114 (#1) nslookup for 63.98.105.3 gives nothing. traceroute ends at readersdigest-gw.customer.alter.net (157.130.210.42) You may want to ask Civileme at mandrakeuser forum if you dont get a response from this list concerning how to get it touch with the culprits ISP.He is quite knowledgable about those kinds of issues, an=mong other things. The RED Hat List used to have all kinds of hacked notices and several of their authorities were very helpful as well. Perhaps the Mandrake Folks could have a place to input problems like some of us have. I know there is a Mandrake Security Group or List out there but I think it mostly deals with things like that wuftpd flaw. Why they still use it as a default ftp server on their CD's I am somewhat puzzled !? Wish I actually had a concrete answer William Bouterse Talkeetna --- Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list. Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list.
Re: [expert] Pine mail is not dangerous !!!
I've been on this list well over a year. About 3 times a year the list mail server takes a vacation. When it does we get multiple copies of mail as well as missed messages. It will be corrected in time. Time takes time to pass, please be patient. Pj Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list.
[expert] Re: Off Topic: BIOS - Could an engineer help me?
Hello list, This message is lengthy - which is why it is OFF TOPIC. It pertains to hardware conflicts - which I'll get to in a minute - and why the plea for help. I'm looking for a hardware engineer to help me verify BIOS and to help me compose a letter to my reseller's engineer where I am trying to exchange this hardware, all of which is under warranty. I don't know how to talk to this guy; he doesn't read what I write, he sends stock "help desk" answers - which isn't as helpful as my ISP's customer support. To begin with I talked to the reseller's tech staff and customer support several times BEFORE I ordered anything. I was assured that the configuration would work and I would be happy; no hardware conflicts with what I wanted to order. I was warned that the K6-3 had problems with the tri-level cache processing certain types of mathematical computations - AMD wouldn't support it -, and it was suggested that I order the K6-2 instead. Armed with this information, I ordered the Tyan 1590s[VIA chipset], K62-500 and 2-64MB P-100. I requested that they assemble the board and burn it. They didn't. The board arrived with 1 DIMM, a noisy CPU fan and the heat sensor clip (power) installed between the CPU and fan. A friend who builds computers took the fan and CPU apart, installed the board and set the BIOS. The AMD CPU fan was replaced with a Pentium fan without a heat sensor. This machine has been a pain since I turned it on. I've replaced 4 new drives since February. I get black streaks across the desktop. I have trouble holding a net connection. The box locks, crashes and I see blue screens all too frequently. Linux isn't stable and neither is W98. Incidentally, the CPU/new fan now sounds like chattering squirrels . As I was concerned about heat because the heat sensor on the CPU is missing, I added a case cooler, slot cooler for the video card, and bay cooler for the 3-drives I would like to use. The temp stays around 40 degrees consistently regardless of how long the box runs. Finally out of utter frustration I started surfing AMD and TYAN looking for answers. Tyan supports the board. AMD does not recommend the 500 CPU on this board, and lists the boards that does support. this configuration. I went back to the hardware seller site and found a comment board for the motherboard. One of the messages posted talked specifically about the problems I am having. I contacted the author and explained the problem; sent him the reply from my hardware provider and he suggested he could try to help me. [He is the senior engineer for a large telco.] He indicated the problem is one that no one wants to talk about: the bridge on the the VIA chipset doesn't work with the speed of the P-100 correctly and causes the kind of problems I am having. [This explains why the same board with a 350CPU and EDO RAM runs flawlessly.] He first had me check the jumpers and straps on the board. They are correct, as is the multiplier and RAM speed. However, in checking I found one of my DIMMS was weak and removed it - which did help to stablize the system some - but I still have a long way to go. Before Labor Day he sent me a list of things to check on the BIOS. He said if the BIOS checked out he would help me write a reply to the reseller's engineer that he would understand. I sent the information about the BIOS back to him before the holiday. There has been no reply since. I am in limbo. I can't setup Mandrake and I can't keep Winslop running. I don't know anything about BIOS and I don't know what to tell the reseller. I have all the messages pertaining to hardware specs and the letter from the reseller's engineer. I want to exchange boards and upgrade RAM to a better quality. I would be very grateful for any help. If there ever was a testimonial to knowing your hardware before you purchase it, this is a perfect example. Thanks and sorry for the length, Pj
[expert] Re: test
I'm having problems mailing the list . This is a test. Pj
Re: [expert] Vi/Vim - The editor from HELL! a little morecoddling?
As a new user I have enjoyed this thread a great deal because I got a glimpse at Vi editor thru it. I'm a Winflop user and hate it..which is why I am slowly moving into Linux, but I have an advantage. My guru is a Linuxgod/power user/debugger who is holding my hand. I've gotten over my love for GUI - except to play cards - and actually like command line. It beats winflop hands down. The biggest problem winflop users encounter is the differences between the two operating systems. It's impossible not to look for comparisons if only for a reference point. MC menu "looks" a lot like it's DOS counterpart because of the color and form, but that's where the comparison ends. The two are as much alike as a sloop and cow. And the Linux learning curve is horrendous. Man pages are written in Greek - or should I say Geek? Mandrake is bleeding edge technology for sure, but it's my feeling that if they wish to court the desktop set they are going to have to do more than include KDE and their best wishes. A broken KDE isn't any better than winflop, and we need some type of simple text editor that acts like a typewriter so we can send mom those long, rambling letters and create small HTML pages to amuse her. I'd like to learn to use Gimp. It locks up every time I try to scroll the font list. Why? I was told it is because the fonts are missing. Great. How am I supposed to learn to recognize fonts if I can't see them? I don't have a clue what avantgard or babledable looks like, or the sizes that can be displayed, and I haven't yet figured out why the missing fonts are listed in the first place. I'd rather see five fonts that are included than lock up on 20 that are not. Mandrake is in it's infancy in terms of age, but it's going places fast, and it's gaining ground every day. The developers do a great job and they work hard to put out a good product. Yes, some improvements and changes can be made and they are being made, but I think it's going to take more than a few newbies to coax them into the changes we would love to see--especially when we trash their product on this list. I used Pico a few times. It isn't my editor of choice but it will do until something better - that I can use - comes along. I use a small, free (750k) no-frills editor from Norway that is dual function. I can write a letter, or click an icon, and write html code. If I can use it under Wine it will solve my basic writing problems. If we want the developers to help us like they did a year ago when Denis, Steve, Civileme, Axalon, Jean-Michael, Ramon, Dave, Brian, and others like them, were watching the list and responding then we have to change our collective attitudes. The power users and guru's are lurking in the shadows watching this list but they are silent as are many of the sys admins and networking guru's who used to be very active. The temper tantrums, cursing, rudeness and trashing the best Linux product available will not get custom scripts or hand holding when we need it the most. Yeh, they used to do that too and on a daily basis. Pj At 02:16 AM 8/16/00 -0700, you wrote: on 8/15/00 8:50 PM, Tony McGee wrote: On Wed, 16 Aug 2000, Gavin Clark pushed some tiny letters in this order: I'm not saying get rid of it at all, just make something else the default. it would be an easy thing to have vi come up as a choice for experts during the install. An installation choice has been the best idea to come out of this thread. This is Mandrake after all, IMHO the distribution most suited to the widest range of experience from newbies right up to experts. How do we get this into 7.2? now there's an idea. linux should have the command #tutorial nnn, like man, but it pops up a clearly written dummy's guide with lots of examples. I don't think there's a tutorial command Then I hereby propose it. I agree that there is a lot of documentation and help out there but you really have to hunt for it. It is scattered all over the place, most of it is on line so you need the network connection to be running. There is a need for clear and concise explanations and examples right at your finger tips. A public domain tutorial along the lines of a dummies book for each command, available from the command line, would be an immense help. The sheer number of UNIX books out there testify to the short comings of man pages, and the how-tos can't help if you're not sure what you're looking for. The problem isn't with the lack of documentation out there, in my experience it's that nobody bothers to read it before running to the nearest mailing list/newsgroup/guru/whatever. I'll put my New Guy hat on and tell you why. ;-) That's because there's nothing telling the new guy where to find that documentation. There should be a big button on the desktop that say 'click me for help' which pops up info on all the help and docs that are installed on the machine, and tells you about man pages and how to get them. It shou
Re: Re [expert] Vi/Vim - The editor from HELL! How do I setthedefault editor soI can TRASH IT?
.snip.. The beauty of the ongoing evolution of Linux is that it will eventually fulfill both the need for the geek and the grandfather looking at emailed pictures of his grandkids. This is the direct opposite of most other OS's which use operating obfuscation in the name of user friendliness (and it ain't jus MS, ever tried to really get into the guts of the Mac OS?) Linux has amazing potential, but it ain't there yet. Adam Well said, Adam. About 4 years ago I was contemplating a MAC. I was at the local sales/repair shop and asked to see it's DOS. All I saw was icons! "How do I get into it?" "You don't", was the reply. "But how do I write script or change stacks?" "You don't. That's what we're here for." Neither the machine, the limited software, or their hourly rate was cheap! Pj
Re: [expert] Vi/Vim - The editor from HELL! How do I set the default editor so I can TRASH IT?
At 07:50 PM 8/14/00 -0500, you wrote: On Mon, 14 Aug 2000, Mallard wrote: Why did Mandrake pick the most geekyist editor for a setup that is suposto be easy for users? It's the unix tradition :) Anyone else seen this joke of a program? Yes, and I use it almost daily With Vim all you have to do is spend a half hour trying to get it give you help, then scroll all the way to the bottom of a super long whoopy-do list of usless keyboard commands that you will forget a day after you use them. Please get rid of it! It's a bit strange at first, but when you use it a lot, it is very logically designed. thinking? Do they live on this planet? Why does Mandrake support this? Trash it! Can't, vi should be a minimal part of every Linux distro, it is standard on any Unix system. I don't know who thinks this is some great thing, WOW! It has zillions of features! It's not 1982 anymore, we have word processors that have a better human interface than terminals did, get a life geeks! (directed at the guys who wrote and keep updating "vi" and "vim") It's the only editor that behaves right on weird terminals such as the crappy Micro$oft telnet. Why not make the default editor a nice simple one, like maybe pico, where the commands are shown. I can't see anyone using a command line editor for much else than a few simple changes, there are better simple editors in KDE and such. Damn that really pissed me off, and on top of that you guys changed from "vi" (same stupid geeky crap) to "vim" (worse geeky crap) in 7.1 did someone request this? I want to know who! That may be ok for beginners, but a hard core sys admin wants vi. Sorry for the bandwith waste, had to get this off my chest. Anyone else feel like I do about this? This post is asking for a flame when put on expert groups, but I see the purpose of an easier editor for beginners. However, Mandrake has a large audience to satisfy, including hard core UNIX people. Vi has established itself as the standard editor, and it is not easily going to be displaced. -- Regards, Ellick Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aug 14 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.nowonder.com
Re: [expert] OT: harddrive flashback
Well, I don't know how you define "ol' timer." I hated keypunch and hated typewriters so much that I didn't touch either one for 30-years. And now I'm trying to learn Linux. I think I heard someone say something about "going from the frying pan to the fire." Hehehehe. Pj -Original Message- From: Pierre Fortin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, July 26, 2000 11:35 PM Subject: Re: [expert] OT: harddrive flashback Pj wrote: Well, ya all make me ashamed to admit to learning keypunch-- compliments of IBM-- for Caterpillar. The mainframe, I believe, was in its infancy at then. Pj The 026 or 029 punch? :^) Wow... I've forgotten the sorter and card interpretter (080?) models... "ol'timers" setting in... Pierre
Re: [expert] Building a new Lm system
At 10:25 PM 7/25/00 -0700, you wrote: Hi all, Sridhar, The voice of experience speaks when I say if you do not know the in's and out's of hardware/software, and do not know precisely what you are doing inre to building a Linux box..save yourself a lot of headaches and money; let Tom at motherboardx build it and give you a 3-year warranty too. http://www.motherboardx.com Pj [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am planning to build a new system. What will be the approx price to assemble a 700+ Mhz system. I have a choice of buying a complete system from one of the Linux harware guys or building my own. Which will be cheaper. If building my own can i rely on online purchase of components, will it be cheaper in any way. I am looking forward to all your feedback. Cheers Sridhar
Re: [expert] OT: harddrive flashback
I recently saw a memory chip on the wall of a computer store. It is a full 12-inches square and 2-inches thick. The funny thing is--the size of the memory is actually quite small. Thanks for the blast from the past! I was sure we had some old 'heads' on this list that were contributing answers to us newbies. You know who you are and you're terrific. WhisperNow all we have to do is convince the newbies that do not have any patience; that do not understand Linux; that do not know how to install; that do not know how to compile or tweek, our Mandrake is a superb product produced by a band of developers who are visionaries and thinkers. A bad attitude doesn't win awards or get much help from the list. We are, afterall, volunteers, not nurse/maids or babysitters. /Whisper Mandrake, you're getting better and better with every new release. Pj At 09:45 AM 7/24/00 -0600, you wrote: On Sun, Jul 23, 2000 at 04:20:52PM -0700, Anton Graham wrote: Submitted 23-Jul-00 by Pj: From: Using MS-DOS 6.2 (QUE book) 1993 Pg. 140; pgph 5: "Hard disks have changed the most. A number of technology have come and gone as hard disks have steadily gotten larger and faster. Drives capable of storing more than two gygabytes(two billion bytes) now cost less than $2,500. Who remembers when 10GB cost $10,000? I remember when a 20 MB drive was top of the line and cost more than the rest of the machine :) I remember when the first manufacturer of a microcomputer offered a hard drive. It was Ohio Scientific, which made a 6502-based multi-user computer which did everything in BASIC. The hard drive was an OEMed 74 MB 14" rack mounted hard drive. The controller was on two cards, each larger than any card you are likely to find today, larger than some modern moterhboards. -- -- C^2 No windows were crashed in the making of this email. Looking for fine software and/or web pages? http://w3.trib.com/~ccurley Attachment Converted: "d:\attach\Re [expert] OT harddrive flas"
Re: [expert] OT: harddrive flashback
Well, ya all make me ashamed to admit to learning keypunch-- compliments of IBM-- for Caterpillar. The mainframe, I believe, was in its infancy at then. Pj At 03:01 AM 7/25/00 -, you wrote: Nope, hadn't that particular thrill...but I do remeber the card readers and tape.. And, only heard about the plug boards when I was first learning programming. I remember my first internet experience was playing Star Trek on a DEC terminal through a telephone coupler as a modem link. I *did* like the hundreds of lights on those modems, though... looked real cool when I was 12 years old! No one remembers the Diablo drives, 5M fixed 5M removable (soft sectored cartridges made for some fun when mounted on a hard sector drive :) But that was "high tech" compared to storage which consisted of paper tape, punch cards, mag tape... Of course, even these were great when compared to programs "written" on 30"x30" (if I remember the size correctly) plug boards with loads of wires and the odd diode to prevent backflow. That was about the time it took an entire weekend to sort a few thousand "records" (cards, one column at a time) if not too many cards were "eaten" by the sorter which required a trip to the 026/029 machines... Then VM appeared on the IBM360/67... Ahh!!! :^) Retired (not yet 55), Pierre PS: The best "flashback" was watching a co-worker go airborne... he was sitting on a chair which he rolled over bubble wrap while pulling out a DEC power supply drawer... :^) :^) Greg Stewart wrote: I remember when a 10MB hard drive was the size of pizza, fit into a refridgerator-sized beast ofa cabinet, and PCs had 8 1/2 inch floppy diskettes! * Want free email? Sign up at http://www.freeze.com !
Re: [expert] OT: harddrive flashback
Oh lordy, lordy.. I haven't hearld Light Bright mentioned for 30 years. Pj At 03:34 AM 7/25/00 -, you wrote: What I learned was that you basically had to "build" a circuit that performed a particular function. Kinda' like a Light Brite, but instead of pretty pictures, it was actually worth something... :) --Greg I never heard about the plug boards. What were they, and what specifically might one use one for? -- Mark ** Registered Linux user # 182496 ** * Want free email? Sign up at http://www.freeze.com !
RE: [expert] Test
I'll run a tracert from my end in a few minutes. Pj At 01:42 PM 7/25/00 +0930, you wrote: Thankyou to Mark and Fran for you replies. I got those messages, but haven't even seen mine on the list. It looks like there is a problem somewhere on my end... Brian. -Original Message- From: Mark Weaver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2000 12:50 PM To: Brian Schroeder Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] Test yes...you're connecting. I had one of those strange days last week where I didn't seem to be getting anything. Then I learned that my youngest son left the house and let the machine connected to the internet all day while no one was home. Turns out that fetchmail was grabbing my mail from the server all day while I was attempting to check it from work. this past weekend though the list(s) made up for it and there were over three-hundred message waiting for me to download which too 15 minutes. That was only after 2 1/2 days of being away for the weekend! -- Mark ** Registered Linux user # 182496 ** On Tue, 25 Jul 2000, Brian Schroeder wrote: I haven't seen anything on this list for a few days. It's usually high volume. Am I getting through? Brian.
Re: [expert] More version 7.1 problems
Norm, The .gif to .xpm conversion you speak of.. does it work equally well in all window managers? Thanks, Pj [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 11:04 PM 7/22/00 -0500, you wrote: Tom Brinkman wrote: But will they accept and convert OS/2 and Win icons? I thought I tried and they did not? If you take any .gif file and reduce it to 64x64 and change it to an .xpm, you can then use it as a KDE icon. And you can use xv to convert gif or bmp files to xpm format. Norm
Re: [expert] netscape 474
Considering this browser's sad history the past 3 years I do not know why anyone would expect anything better. Personally, I still like version 3.04 best. I run it with Java disabled; use its old emailer and scripting turned off. Since I rarely accept attachments, I've effectively eliminated most of the virus attacks. Actually I'd be delighted to buy a real Linux browser that wasn't bloated and that offered mail. Does anyone know how well the STAR OFFICE browser and emailer work in Linux? It worked okay in Winbloz. Pj At 05:42 PM 7/23/00 -0400, you wrote: I wouldn't become too hopeful cause the beta release of Netscape 6 is doing the same thing. In SPADES. It's worse there than in the .7x series of Netscape 4. -- Mark ** Registered Linux user # 182496 ** On Fri, 21 Jul 2000, dallard wrote: Mark I installed netscape 4.74 on my mandrake 7.0 machine yesterday. It seems to have the same problems that 4.70 had (my previous version). Netscape crashes on certain java pages and sometimes takes up al l the cpu. same as before. Oh well mabe next patch. :0) Hope that helps Dany Allard Mark Weaver wrote: Did they fix the java problem in 4.74, or does it still runaway with the CPU now and then like 4.73 does? -- Mark ** Registered Linux user # 182496 ** On Wed, 19 Jul 2000, victor gvirtsman wrote: found it today at ftp.netscape.com
[expert] OT: harddrive flashback
From: Using MS-DOS 6.2 (QUE book) 1993 Pg. 140; pgph 5: "Hard disks have changed the most. A number of technology have come and gone as hard disks have steadily gotten larger and faster. Drives capable of storing more than two gygabytes(two billion bytes) now cost less than $2,500. Who remembers when 10GB cost $10,000? Pj
Re: [expert] Mandrake's Arrogance
My guru wasn't very polite about /root. He said something to the effect of, "Stay the he** out of root unless you are making a system change." It was good advise then and it is good advice today. Pj
Re: [expert] Reply to complaints on 7.1 changes
On July 21, 2000 you said... ..snip. "Of course it is frustrating when the configuration you have does not work out of the box, but this used to be a rule--30 minutes installing and 5 weeks hacking on the configuration."..snip If someone had warnned me to expect, or, at least not be disappointed if I experienced installation and hardware problems I would not have been expecting a no-brainer install, and I would not have been overly frustrated at the resulting mess I made for myself. However, everything I read previously was written by guru's and experts who know how to tweak Linux. Every article said the same thing: Linux is easy to install and easy to blah, blah, blah. Compared to Unix in terms of actual age Mandrake is still in the womb but it gets stronger and bolder and improves with every new release. Perhaps now MDK needs to include a statement explaining we aren't perfect, but written in such a way that it does not deter a newbie from trying our GUI. We need to proclaim our Mandrake Expert list is the best and is where the answers to perplexing questions are found. Pj
Re: [expert] Version 7.1 HUGE install problem
Why do you think software is tested before it is released for sale? Don't complain if you don't know the difference between a stable version and a distro still in testing. And, please don't call Mdk buggy because you don't know how to install a pre-release version. I don't know how to install it either.. but I'm not trying. BTW, Mandrake includes KDE in every release. If you don't like it there are several other XWindow Managers available for your viewing pleasure. Pj At 05:24 PM 7/20/00 -0400, you wrote: this is really rediculous.. I hate mandrake for 7.1.. I had fallen in love with Mandrake with their 7.0 release.. and 7.1 is really crappy when it comes to installation.. there are things that don't work and machines that run perfectly with 7.0 but don't install/run 7.1.. and there is that crappy upgrade to 7. which takes a whole day to upgrade! wake up mandrake b4 u loose u're loyal followers... don't give out a beta product. -sarang
[expert] OT: Security Netscape Question
I recently received notice that Netscape leased the Real Audio Download daemon to track its site downloads. Counting downloads from your own web site is one thing but, once loaded, this insideous program tags your computer with a unique ID and does some other very sneaky things. EVERY THING you download from the Internet is reported back to Netscape along with your machine ID and Internet address. I personally find Netscape and Real Audio are guilty of offensive acts against all netizens who use the products. That said, My question is simple: Can Linux -if secured properly- stop or otherwise abort such attemps? Pj [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [expert] SLOW boot
I have an AMD CPU and freaked when I saw AMD in the boot. My guru laughed and sent this terse message: "AMD is a daemon running on your system, nothing to be concerned about." Pj At 10:22 PM 7/17/00 -0500, you wrote: My boot proceeds pretty well until it gets to the starting AMD stage. What is AMD and why would it take over 1 minute at times? Sometimes it is instantaneous or nearly so. -- Gil Baron W0MN http://members.home.net/gbaron/ 44:04:55.9 N 92:30:46.206 W 1050' NAD27 "Hierro candente, batir de repente"
Re: [expert] ANNOUNCE: voting for a forums name
Denis, Most of the time I can't access the forum site so I'll tell you what I think.. which is Gael has the right idea. I'd also like to request a link to the forum be added to the mandrakesoft index page so that forgetful people like myself will see a reminder every time we access the Mandrake page. Pj [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 02:24 AM 7/5/00 +0200, you wrote: Hi Gael thinks that forum.mandrakesoft.com name should be replaced by a shorter one - easier to remember. You can vote for the one which you find best/easiest to remember/nicest on the "forum": http://forum.mandrakesoft.com thx Denis -- - Dr. Denis Havlikhttp://www.ap.univie.ac.at/users/havlik Mandrakesoft||| e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quality Assurance (@ @)(private: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) ---oOO--(_)--OOo- visit our new discusion forum: http://forum.mandrakesoft.com
Re: [expert] VIA vs Intel
And I have the opposite problem with the VIA MVP3.. Linux doesn't work great..in fact it barely works at all. Sooner or later I will find the root cause, but in the meantime is sure is a frustrating standing on the outside looking in. Pj At 12:21 PM 7/3/00 -0600, you wrote: The ETEQ chipset is a remaned VIA Apollo MVP3. I have a cheap motherboard with this chipset and I've had absolutely no problems with any OS, except Win99 (yeah, me too!). Maybe there's some incompatibility between win98 and the MVP3. In linux it works great, no problems at all. Matt Stegman, escribió: Not exactly what you were asking for, but I thought I'd add that I have a SOYO Socket 7 motherboard which uses the ETEQ chipset. I can't find much documentation on it anywhere, but I've never had a problem with it. It works spectacularly. Mine supports PC100 SDRAM, AGP2x, and runs an AMD 300MHz CPU on a 100MHz FSB. It was definitely cheaper than Intel solutions (that's why I bought it) and it has turned out to work great in every OS I've tried (with the sole exception of Windows 98). It runs NT 4.0, Windows 95, Linux, and BeOS. I didn't try very hard to track down my Win98 problem; that may or may not be related to the motherboard. With any other OS, I didn't have to jump through any hoops at all to get things to work. -Matt Stegman [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- *Guillermo Belli-Linux User #121340* * ICQ #38321312* *http://sites.netscape.net/memo81 (en construccion)*
[expert] SECURITY
Mandrake and Red Hat have collectively released 50 or more patches for kernel and other security problems. Look at rpmfind and in RH updates. Pj
Re: [expert] RealProducer Plus Version 8
Sigh... We really should pity those poor folks; They don't have a clue. Real Linux people *prefer* software that works in a *real* world. We don't care who makes it, but it would be nice if the maker knew something about the users. Pj [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 03:37 PM 6/29/00 -0700, you wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sevatio Octavio) writes: RealProducer Plus Version 8 is now available from Real Networks. However, there are a few things I find disturbing. I called them to find out what happened to the GUI version (that came with V6.0), they told me that there is no plan for one. It is their belief that "linux-people prefer using command-lines". This is after talking to several people at Real that had little or no idea what Linux was. It's unfortunate that Real continues to operate in the clouds with the assumption that linux is still some geek's hobby. Plus, with Microsoft breathing down their neck, it's a bad time for such arrogance and ignorance. this may give the hand to open source frontend -- MandrakeSoft Inchttp://www.mandrakesoft.com San-Francisco, CA USA --Chmouel
Re: [expert] Boot error with 2.4.0-test2 kernel
Where's /swap? Pj [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 09:46 PM 6/26/00 -0500, you wrote: Using 7.1, I downloaded the new 2.4.0-test2 kernel and it compiled it with the default 2.2.16 .config file from the 7.1 distribution. When I try to boot it, I get the following error: request_module[block-major-3]: Root fs not mounted VFS: Cannot open root device "301" or 03:01 Please append a correct "root=" boot option Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 03:01 My lilo.conf contains: image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.4.0-test2 label=linux2 root=/dev/hda1 read-only Anyone have a solution? -- Kenneth Archer + San Antonio, Texas [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ #24980801 Powered by Linux ++ Mailed by Kmail
Re: [expert] 7.0-2 Hardware conflict
Anton, First, many thanks. The auto configure host name box was checked! I unchecked it. "Atlantis" is the screensaver I have enabled. Versions: Gimp 1.04; Gnome Panel: 1.0.55; 2.2.14-24mdk_i486 on a i586. When X starts I see the blue screen; the Gnome logo; enlightenment starting; user screen; desktop icons; Gnome Help Index** window and /home/ibi/directory open. **Gnome Users Guide; Error loading ghelp: users-guide not installed. TOC: man pages.. OK (Aside: I don't think I can prevent these two 'start' windows from opening, but it sure would be nice.*) At shut down I see the previously mentioned Gnome errors plus these comments: xscreensaver-command: no screensaver is running on display :0.0 xscreensaver disabling server builtin screensaver xscreensaver: you can re-enable it with "xset s on." rm: cannot remove /home/ibi/.gnome //gmc-(this number changes each time) This is how I create the Gimp lockup: 1-open Gimp 2-select: new 3-select: default window size 4-select color: red 5-select: alphabet tool. Drop down menu appears with area to type text 6-Type text: "Test" 7-Select first font and preview. Do not select font. 8-Repeat font selection and preview. Do not select font. 9-Select fifth font. *No preview.* Gimp Locks up. Pj [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 09:15 AM 6/25/00 -0700, you wrote: Submitted 24-Jun-00 by Pj: .SNIP.. This I cannot reproduce in GIMP 1.1.22. Could you provide your version number so that I can try with that version? I am not completely familiar with the boot process. I see a comment that X number of blocks were cleaned..followed by a statement that /dev/hdb1 reached maximal mount count, check forced..I watch the percent process. It finishes with the statement that .01% is non contiguous. The login finishes in a normal manner Okay, this is normal behavior. Essentially Linux keeps track of how many times a particular partition has been mounted and forces an fsck at boot time if the number of mounts exceeds a certain number :) The message just tells you the result of that check. Kppp is configured for server assigned addresses. I have two ISP's. I've never had the *reset* problem before, if this is a *normal function* that is all I need to know. Alright, go into the setup menu for kppp, select one one of the accounts and click edit. Select the IP tab in the new window and ensure that the checkbox at the bottom (Auto-configure hostname from this IP) is _not_ checked. Everytime I log out I see many Gnome error messages. Hmm... So these errors are on your terminal screen when you close the X session? If this is the case, they may be errors generated by applications used within GNOME. One way to test this is to open a teminal and run the applications from there. It is apparent that *something* is not quite right :/ You said GNOME always starts with two windows open. Assuming that you want these two windows open everytime you start GNOME, try closing all windows, repoen those two and logout checking the save current setup box. This *may* remove any extraneous entries from your ~/.gnome/session file.
Re: [expert] 7.0-2 Hardware conflict
John, Thanks for the reply. I'm leaning toward a combination problem: me and ? I don't think I expect too much from Linux. This is like any other new-to-me OS. I'm working my way thru conflicts and learning from the seat of my pants. I do feel however, I should be able to connect to the internet, use email and have some type of stable desktop without locking up or crashing everytime I start X. I do not want to point a finger I only want to correct the problems or understand the methodology if it isn't a *problem* that I encounter. I did uncheck the autoconfigure host box as suggested. To answer your question I haven't been able to get back online to update any versions of Gnome or Gimp. I think you're right about the CRT and Xconfigurator. My current monitor configuration seems to be ok. I hope Linux never drops to the level of micro-sloth. The only reason to have Mdk is so I can install a system that suits me and not a billion other users. I love Mandrake..warts and all.. but the process of elimination sure is frustrating. Pj [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 03:28 PM 6/25/00 -0400, you wrote: On Sat, 24 Jun 2000, you wrote: I seem to have a conflict that causes Mdk to perform poorly. No version I've tried to date runs well. This includes 6.0, boxed 6.1 PowerPack-which wouldn't install the first disk, and 7.0-2. Needless to say I am as frustrated as the kind folks who are privately trying to help me. Did you try making sure you have the updated initscripts? That's caused some problems in the past. Symptoms: The fontserver crashes in Gnome when I try to select a font from the pull down menu. I see many warnings and error messages about the screensaver Atlantis in Gnome. The GUI Netscape and Xterm will not open once an internet connection has been established. During boot ? is force checked. 0.1% is "non contiguous." Gnome help file warning error "NULL" I don't know how you connect to the 'Net, but KPPP has a little check box in the setup, under "IP" which has "autoconfigure hostname from this IP." IF this is checked in KPPP, you'll get the problems you've described with programs refusing to open when you're on-line. Not sure EXACTLY why this happens, but I know it's generally caused because you've changed the name of your box and now your X server can't connect The monitor was never been correctly identified but once configured does not seem to cause any problems. I generally don't bother with the auto-configured X settings. IMNSHO, the auto-setup isn't "ready for primetime" when it comes to setting up X. Maybe it's just that I like to mix and match hardware, but I've found that I generally have to use one of the X configuration utils to set up my X. What is the answer and is there a solution? Do I have a timing or hardware conflict or a combination? Probably a combination of the two. Or, maybe you're expecting a bit too much from Linux. After all, it's not quite at the same level of hardware detection and setup as Windows 9x is. John
Re: [expert] 7.0-2 Hardware conflict
Hi John, Ok..your explanation may resolve some problems. I suspected some kind of scaning was going on. Unfotunately, I can't run linux 24/7 until I move from W9x completely. Generally I am in Linux a couple of times a day. One of the things I was taught in Winblows is... if I have lockups and errors to reboot because in theory it resets the registry. Yes, I know Linux doesn't have a registry, but what I don't know is.. if Linux needs to be rebooted because of errors? Pj [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 04:06 PM 6/25/00 -0400, you wrote: On Sat, 24 Jun 2000, you wrote: I am not completely familiar with the boot process. I see a comment that X number of blocks were cleaned..followed by a statement that /dev/hdb1 reached maximal mount count, check forced..I watch the percent process. It finishes with the statement that .01% is non contiguous. The login finishes in a normal manner This is normal behavior, unless it does it EVERY time. Think of it as an automatic SCANDISK at bootup. It will do a QUICK check of the filesystem every time it boots, and a more thorough check after every few boots, which is one good reason NOT to reboot frequently, if you can help it, and to leave the system on 24/7, if it's an option. Kppp is configured for server assigned addresses. I have two ISP's. I've never had the *reset* problem before, if this is a *normal function* that is all I need to know. Basically, do NOT check the box that says "autoconfigure hostname from this IP." If you do, you're changing your machine name, which means that X programs will no longer be able to start. I'm afraid I can't help with Gnome problems, as I don't use Gnome. John
[expert] 7.0-2 Hardware conflict
I seem to have a conflict that causes Mdk to perform poorly. No version I've tried to date runs well. This includes 6.0, boxed 6.1 PowerPack-which wouldn't install the first disk, and 7.0-2. Needless to say I am as frustrated as the kind folks who are privately trying to help me. Symptoms: The fontserver crashes in Gnome when I try to select a font from the pull down menu. I see many warnings and error messages about the screensaver Atlantis in Gnome. The GUI Netscape and Xterm will not open once an internet connection has been established. During boot ? is force checked. 0.1% is "non contiguous." Gnome help file warning error "NULL" The monitor was never been correctly identified but once configured does not seem to cause any problems. Hardware: Tyan S1590s/VIA chipset AT motherboard; K2-500 CPU; 160 P-100 RAM. 2-Western Digital Caviar drives; 1-Seagate harddrive. All 5400 spin speed. Hi-Val CD-ROM; generic floppy. Sound Blaster AWE16. Aopen S3Virge PCI or Diamond S3Trio AGP. PCI in use currently. Digiview HR 70+ 17" multisync capable. Deere brand 250watt AT power supply. Setup: hda1: 3.2GB WD /boot(LILO)19MG Winblows 98 (bad block in G partition. hdb1: 8.4 WD /swap Mdk hdb3: .850 Seagate Winblows Distro: Mdk7.0-2. Monitor 800x600 and 100dpi font Installed: Openssh, Openssl mdk-rpm Window Manager: Gnome / Enlightenment. What is the answer and is there a solution? Do I have a timing or hardware conflict or a combination? Thanks for the help, Pj [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [expert] 7.0-2 Hardware conflict
Anton, Ok, I need to clarify myself a little: Font server crashes in GIMP everytime I try to select a font. I can click and preview the first four fonts in the list without problem. Click and preview number five locks the program and creates the error mesage. I am not completely familiar with the boot process. I see a comment that X number of blocks were cleaned..followed by a statement that /dev/hdb1 reached maximal mount count, check forced..I watch the percent process. It finishes with the statement that .01% is non contiguous. The login finishes in a normal manner Kppp is configured for server assigned addresses. I have two ISP's. I've never had the *reset* problem before, if this is a *normal function* that is all I need to know. I don't know what precipitates the Gnome errors. I get the same error even if I do nothing more than play solitaire and log out. [Gnome always starts with two windows open.] Everytime I log out I see many Gnome error messages. Here is a small sample: rm: Cannot remove '/home/ibi/.gnome //gmc-0L6CF2': No such file or directory. Gnome VT-warning **: Could not open help topic file NULL. Warning: gnome_is_image_filename called, you should use gnome mime instead. BTW, I don't think the AMD CPU is the problem. I am quite unsure about the motherboard though. I don't know that I've ever seen the TYAN S1590s mentioned in this list. In fact I don't recall any Tyan/VIA chip being mentioned here. Thanks to our list for your continuing support, Pj At 02:34 PM 6/24/00 -0700, you wrote: Submitted 24-Jun-00 by Pj: Symptoms: The fontserver crashes in Gnome when I try to select a font from the pull down menu. Which application? The GUI Netscape and Xterm will not open once an internet connection has been established. This *sounds* like the problem that crops up when kppp (or any other dialer) is configured to reset your host name upon connect. After that, X programs no longer have permission to start on your machine. During boot ? is force checked. 0.1% is "non contiguous." Is that question mark what is displayed or ? 0.1% non contiguous is just an informative message and can be ignored. Gnome help file warning error "NULL" Umm... When do you see this? What actions lead up to it? -- _ _|_|_ ( ) *Anton Graham /v\ / [EMAIL PROTECTED] /( )X (m_m) GPG ID: 18F78541 Penguin Powered!
[expert] Gnome Screen Saver
We recently installed Air, 7-0.2 and set up Gnome/Enlightenment. When I log on as /user and go to X, I frequently see four screens: the herringbone, the solid blue, the /root enlightenment screen and last, my /user screen. This is much different than Venus and KDE where when I logged on as /user I saw the X herringbone screen and then my /user screen. Can anyone explain what's going on? Thanks, Pj
Re: [expert] Help me: I am Locked OUT!
If you have mdk 7.0 or later log in as su, then change screens and log in as /user. Should fix most of it. .. Pj
Re: [expert] Defrag counterpart in MDK
According to the guru's I know, Linux is smart and doesn't need human interaction to defrag--that is if it is ever needed. Thanks, Civileme, for the explanation of the M$ defrag. Pj
Re: [expert] ISP connect
George, In your Winders machine Start_Programs_MS-DOS Prompt. When the screen appears type C: tracert www.yourisp.com and enter. The last entry should show the dot quad address of your ISP. Pj
Re: [expert] Ducking the DUL
I wonder if it has to do more with mail routing than dial-up? I may not be using the right terminology, but I'll use my own accounts as an example. M-F, I connect locally to IPA to collect/send mail from GCINET. On weekends I dial into GCINET to accesss my account. Apparently the act of using IPA to send mail from a GCINET looks like SPAM or a spoofed address to some mail servers. Pj
Re: [expert] Another Mandrake source.
http://www.lsl.com . The 7.1 is 99 cents plus shipping. The turn around time is very good. Pj
Re: [expert] RAM detection problem
Windows users frequently get a shock when they switch systems and find their Windows friendly RAM isn't being correctly recognized in Linux. The problem can be as simple as mismatched pairs. 32MB of FP and 32MB of EDO may equal 64RAM in Windows but Linux will only recognize 32. My two cents.. Pj
Re: [expert] Re: DISCUSION Upgrade (fwd)
Denis, The problem with expectations is that they area rarely met. However, my expectations are a flawless install and a program that is not a bloated, buggy mess. At a minimum I expect: 1- my video card and monitor to be supported without being put in the position of having to immediately update the drivers from another site. 2- Mandrake to include compatible third-party apps or exclude them until they are compatible. 3- to be able to register any version of Mandrake I purchase regardless of the distro or release date. If Mandrake sells it retail, the distro should be supported and that isn't the practice now. I don't know about the rest of the list, but I am tired of buying PR in fancy packages and getting software I can't install. It doesn't mean I don't love Mdk, I do, but after several months of trying to get a stable system, I'd like to see some positive results on my end. Sorry you asked? Pj [EMAIL PROTECTED] Denis HAVLIK wrote: Hi, folks It feels strange when I have to reply to my own message but... I thought that "upgrade" is an extremely important topic, yet no one wants to discuss it. Does it mean that you are not interested (so we should stop worying about upgrade) or what? I repeat: :~What do you expect from upgrade? cu Denis -- - Dr. Denis Havlikhttp://www.ap.univie.ac.at/users/havlik Mandrakesoft||| e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quality Assurance (@ @)(private: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) ---oOO--(_)--OOo- Hi! I'm a .signature virus! Copy me into your ~/.signature to help me spread! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: [expert] Re: DISCUSION Upgrade
Somebody on the list asked about a Linux Project the other day. I think you can find it here in the nav bar on the side: http://www.lsl.com Pj [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [expert] GNU/Linux -- Follower or Leader? -- footnote
Linux Central does a good job of supporting mandrake as does http://www.lsl.com where I ordered. I should get my new CD tomorrow. Pj [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[expert] OT: M$
I know this is way off topic, but I was wondering now that Judge Pennfield ordered the breakup of M$..and he's a Federal Judge...how an Apellate court can overrule him? Perhaps one of our legal-linux gurus could answer me privately. And of course you all read the news about the Palm Pilor contacting it's first virus. Oh happy Day. Mandrakd I love ya!!! Pj
Re: [expert] DISCUSION Upgrade (fwd)
I like Jay's suggestion. New users like myself with no *nix experience don't know how to deal with broken, or disfunctional apps. If I had more experience I would want a choice. The problem as I see it is this..if Mandrake gives us what we all want we'll have a 500-pound monster that still won't work smoothly with some machine configurations. Downloading is a bane to all of us, but in this case smaller/easier is better and a system that purs is worth some inconveniences,imho. Personally I'd be happy to see my video card, monitor and scanner supported as well as a better CRT sizing capability. You can't please all of the people all of the time, but Mandrake does a good job of giving us a great product. Pj Jay Summet wrote: Suggest you default to CONSERVATIVE but allow the user (perhaps in EXPERT mode?) to chose from the others. Jay Summet
Re: [expert] Problems with modem
Neat. You answered your own question and helped me too. Thanks. Pj
Re: [expert] cron question
I'm going to insert my foot on this one, but... as I understand it News Groups are not like email per se and can only be received on your local dial up. I base this on my own experience. I have two ISP accounts; one local one out of state. I connect locally to retrieve/send mail from the second ISP. I cannot get NEWS from the second ISP without logging onto that account. I do not know if this is defacto or a pecularity of that particular ISP. Please don't flame me if I am wrong. I don't belong to a news group. Pj [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [expert] Windows 95 !!!
I want to make a short comment about Windows. There are more than a few of us that have dual boot systems. Yes, this is not a Windows forum, but there are times when it's necessary for a Linux user to ask Windows questions. I purchased two Mdk distro's still don't have a stable system so I need Windows until it is running correctly. I love Linux and I wouldn't trade Mdk for a 10-gold plated computers with real M$ systems installed. The point is, go easy on us dual users. We're here to learn, to embrace Mandrake, and in my case to say good by to the deceitful open-netbios-port king permanently. Pj
[expert] OT: Google and Linux
Google may be running more Linux servers than anyone else in the world, with 4,000 machines operating and plans to increase to 6,000. Pj
[expert] Re: No List Mail
Hello, I seem to be having problems receiving list mail. Is anyone else experiencing the same problem?? Pj [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[expert] Re: KDE
Is there a command line to exit KDE? When I upgraded the Xfree with the intention of swapping video cards I managed to change the monitor size. As a consequence of my foolhearty actions I can't see the "logout" in KDE for a proper exit. My guru will be back next week to help me thru Xconfigurator. I can manage simple commands from a terminal screen. Is don't use KDE the best solution? Thanks, Pj [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[expert] Re:KDE
Many thanks to the list members who have sent suggestions. Your help is greatly appreciated. Pj
Re: [expert] Helix Gnome
I was told that Helix is the latest version of Gnome and that is smooth as glass. I haven't had a chance to try it yet, but if it's as good as I am told it should be wonderful. Pj
Re: [expert] Electrical Outages and Linux
Ditto Benjamin!! I've been using APC since I lost my modem to lightening. Mine sounds on line problems 40 more miles from my box. I added one other little precaution. I use two MAX brand Serge protectors(the $50+ per unit kind) to separate my box from the APC plus I have my system on a seperate circuit in a GFI box. I haven't lost any hardware since. Pj
[expert] OT: CERT NN
There appears to be a problem with how Netscape (thur version 4.73) verifies site certificates if the Personal Security Manager is not installed. I do not know if this issue affects Linux-Mandrake users. The CERT URL: http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2000-08.html Pj [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [expert] DISCUSSION--Brain-Dead SEND
Civeleme, AMEN!!! Are you listening Mandrake?? Some of our guru's have played in Linux for an eternity; they know of what they speak. .. Pj Civileme wrote: I have noticed a number of office-style aplications are offering the SEND instruction from desktop icons, jpg files and such. This is not, unfortunately a practice limited to windows though there one can SEND a Microsoft Word file to a floppy as well as email out. The usual effect of this send instruction is an attachment to email or direct transmission of a file. IF a similar instruction is implemented on Mandrake for any of the supported desktops, I would suggest a default format conversion to *.rtf, SYLK, DIF, etc, depending on the file type, with possible options offered to the user to change the transmission format. Why? Every day I have to deal with messages sent in WordPerfect format without even so much as an extension to hint on type--and I have to deal with Word 95 Word 97 and Word 2000, and I have to set up OUR systems to open these furschlugginer attachments from email with a SINGLE CLICK. I train users here to be more courteous, but still there are those who are so dyed-in-the-wool Microsoft fans that they take their work to their home computers And make floppies in formats that the folks they are supposed to be supporting cannot read (version format conflict). Linux should be about interoperability, so if we are to have the Brain-Dead Send instruction, at least let it default to something someone on the other end can probably open without buying new software. Civileme -- BETA testing KDE2 and Konqueror
Re: [expert] cooker question
Hey JD, Would you resubmit your question and be a little more specific? Pj J D wrote: is anyone here part of the cooker? sure, someone is. if you are, would ya mind telling me what you normally to for it?? thanks. later jd
Re: [expert] My complaints about MDK 7.0
I urge all the list members with complaints to take it to Mandrake! The purpose of this list isn't to trash our developers but to help users who need it. Telling the list that this, that and something else doesn't suit *you* defeats the reason Mandrake has a bug report. It is possible, after all, that other users do NOT have your problems with your system. Mandrake developers rock! They give us the hottest, latest bleeding edge technology available. Please, let's support them. Of course if you do not want a Expert users list, that is up to the list. Pj [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[expert] OT: TEST
Hello All, This is a test as I am having trouble sending mail to the list. Thanks for your patience. Pj
[expert] OT: test
This is a test as I am having local mail problems. Thanks for your patience, Pj
Re: [expert] OT: Linux Newbie
Ron, Thanks for you comments. I agree that activating a filter will remove certain types of mail. Sadly, by doing so ir will defeat the reason I posted my initial comments: to bring the guru's and developers back to this list. Exercising self control and showing respect will go along way toward repairing this MUG, imho. Pj [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello pj You have expressed my sentiments as well. Fortunately most email readers can filter out noise like this almost automatically once they have been setup. I would not be in favour of any other form of censorship, such as having Mandrake Software remove them from the list, even assuming that they were willing to do so. Please stay on the list and activate a filter. Regards Ron
Re: [expert] OT: Linux Newbie
Civileme You've been on this list a very long time. I've seen you post sharp replies to some authors. I've seen you take a break from this list. I've read your minutely detailed replies that were one page long. I've even seen a typo or two, but I've never seen a swear word or derogatory remarks about Mandrake or just plain bad manners in your posts. If you remember when I joined this list the developers monitored it and were quite active. Now it is rare to see a reply to this list directly from Mandrake. There's are more than a few of us who would like to correct the problems and put the list back on track. I got a lot of "understanding in my soul" by being here and being exposed to those Mandrake and Linux specalists who, btw, are sorely missed. Maybe this effort is for nought. Perhaps the developers and old guru's will never return, but we will not know the answer if we don't make the effort. Mandrake does a great job of giving us a terrific product. We want them to know that their effort is appreciated by many members of this MUG list and their collective expertise is needed here too. Turning on a filter is an easy way out of trash talk. You breathe Linux; It gives me nightmares. If I filter mail I might miss a learning opportunity and I can't afford it. Thank you for your comments, patience and cool head, Civileme. Pj [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi
[expert] OT: Linux Newbie
Hello List, My comments are not intended to start a thread or a flame. Please contact me privately if you feel compelled to comment. I am a newbie, a fact I do not hide. I joined this group several months ago to learn- when I loaded my very first mdk distro and discovered how deep the water is. You have taught me well and for that I am grateful and I thank you for your time and patience. During these months I've watched an ugly metamorphisis take plce. The list then was monitored by Mandrake developers and programers. They generously took time to respond. The list then was filled with replies from some of the brightest minds in the Linux communtity. Combined, these folks probably had a million years of *NIX experience they were willing to share just for asking. So what happened? From my vantage point I've seen an erosion not only in the type of question but also the attitude. This list was composed of well-mannered men and women..what my father would call ladies and gentlemen. The list slowly changed from a polite demeanor to one of demanding, shouting, cursing and temper tantrums. Our Mandrake developers have been cussed, discussed and generally trashed because some whiny baby doesn't know how to use a new operating system. Thus the fault changed from the operator to the program creators. [Speaking for myself I can only say that every error message I've seen in Venus, my distro, has been of my own making becasue I don't understand the basics yet.] This list is for Mandrake Experts. It is not a baby-sitting service. No one on this list is obligated to answer any question. No one is obligated to answer instantly. Your demands, my demands and future demands are just that: demands. The gentle members of this list frequently ignore these messages as they should. Lately, I've read a lot of messages with attitude written all over the subjet line: "How many times do I have to...?"; "Mandrake Sucks"; "I've written x times why ...?". Regardless of content the message is the same: I am the most important person on this list and I demand an answer right now! Guess what? You aren't the most important person on this list. Everyone has equal standing. If you don't have a life, get one. As far as I have been able to determine there is no perfect operating system. Not every piece of hardware made will work on every system. Not every piece of software written will work on every system. There are too many machine configurations to consider. The advantage of Linux, particularly the Mandrake distro, over Winblows is twofold: MUG and modules. If *it* doen't work to your satisfaction you can fix *it* yourself without waiting months for a patch that fixes your whole system. Many times in the past a Mandrake developer would posted a small script to fix a particularly thorny problem for one person. I don't see this anymore. To the people who need this list the most, I have some advice: Be polite. Please and thank you go a long way toward getting a quick response. Be patient. We live in every time zone in the world, please take this into consideration as well as the fact that we all have private lives. STOP SCREAMING!! It's annoying and a guaranteed way to not receive a reply. Stop making demands; it's rude. Admit you don't know how to do something and be grateful when you get the answer. We all have frustrating issues, don't let it spill into this list. This MUG is a great group of guys and gals, please help keep it that way. Thanks, Pj
Re: [expert] OT: Linux Newbie
Before I found this MUG, I was in a newbie list, where I rightfully belonged. I was beseiged with foul language and temperamental children telling me and others to RTFM. I didn't appreciate the language then and I don't appreciate it now, personally. The reason this MUG was a great resource was because it was inhabited by persons who acted like adults. They didn't need to swear because they were frustrated. They needed answers and got them from their peers who were also on this list. At one time this list was not composed of home users. The people that ran our universities, and medical schools, and governments, and large corporations were very active on this list. The security experts and system analysists were here to help us secure our systems and make our networks function. Those names are missing, as are OUR developers and debuggers, that wrote the little scripts and taught us little tricks to keep us up and running after we shot ourselves in the foot. They are all gone. The only way to achieve this level of help again is to clean up our collective act or build a new MUG. From where I sit, and reading the level of questions submitted tese days there doesn't appear to be much to work with. The question is very basic. Do you want the guru's and developers back on this list to help us or not? If you do clean up the language, lose the attitude, exhibit a modicum of self control, open your ears and develop some patience. Then, just maybe Denis, SteveP, Dave, Zak, Ramone, Chamouol, Axalon, Jean-Michel and the other old heads will come back and rescue us from ourselves. I don't know about any one else on this list, but I need all the help I can get that's why I'm here. I'm not likely to leave and I'm not likely to help a whining, screaming, kid with a foul mouth and bad manners. And I know that I am not... a majority of one. Whether or not we read doc's isn't as important as trying the best we know how according to our level of knowledge. Not all of us have the ability to read the man page, but we all have the ability to try to clean up our own mess. As far as I am concerned if we are smart enough to run a Linux system successfully we are smart enough to be civilized and act like it in public. This list after all is a public forum. Pj
Re: [expert] Feels good to be back again
Dennis, Congratulations! First list mail since last week. It's perfect. Pj [EMAIL PROTECTED] Denis HAVLIK wrote: Hi, experts, gurus co. ! I suppose I own you all some explanations... The situation is such: Mandrakesoft mail-server machine is supposed to move to new machine. And I have been waiting and waiting and waiting... for this to happen, before moving expert list to sympa, because our present system looks as if it is going to die any time now, and I did not want to be the cause. :-( Well, today I decided that I just have to move the list to sympa, because majordomo finally refused any further cooperation, and your e-mails to expert list were ending in e-mails nirvana for the last 3 days. So, starting with today, all the administrative requests related to this list should be send to [EMAIL PROTECTED] sending "HELP" command to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" will show you a list of commands which can be used with short description. I sincerely hope that sympa will prove to be more robust than majordomo - so far there has been far less problems with lists managed by sympa, and I have far better possibilities to filter spam and such. cheers Denis -- - Dr. Denis Havlikhttp://www.ap.univie.ac.at/users/havlik Mandrakesoft||| e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quality Assurance (@ @)(private: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) ---oOO--(_)--OOo-
Re: [expert] OT: /root
Mike, I'm not a programmer or expert. My Linux guru and several friends who own ISP's; run some flavor of *NIX on servers and their own machines sent the warnings. I believe them. My own guru said as long as I read mail only as /user I am safe. I believe him. He then explained why /user was safe and /root wasn't. I didn't understand it, but I'm looking forward to the day when I do. In the meantime that's why he's the guru and I'm the newbie. He says; I do and it's a perfect relationship. My L-M machine runs better than Winblows ever did. MANDRAKE ROCKS!!! Pj Michael Holt wrote: Pj wrote: I know the guru's already know the "Love Bug" copycat has been ported to Linux, so this isn't for you. The new versions are called "Jokes" and "Mother's Day Order Confirmation." The bad news for Linux users is if you read your mail in /root and NOT as /user - you are vunerable. Nuff said. Pj [EMAIL PROTECTED] I was under the impression that 'love bug' was written using VB sript and took advantage of the scripting host in Outlook Express... how then would that affect Linux? Mike -- == Michael Holt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kirkland, WA == The Penguins are coming!!! ==
[expert] OT: /root
I know the guru's already know the "Love Bug" copycat has been ported to Linux, so this isn't for you. The new versions are called "Jokes" and "Mother's Day Order Confirmation." The bad news for Linux users is if you read your mail in /root and NOT as /user - you are vunerable. Nuff said. Pj [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [expert] Re: Repost: [newbie] Problems with boot disk.
I must be the luckiest newbie alive. I boot with my floppy by choice and the rescue disk takes me straight to my CD. I don't have a perfect system--I wish I did. Pj [EMAIL PROTECTED] Piero wrote: On Wed, 03 May 2000, you wrote: No one answered my original query. Thought I would try again. - Original Message - From: Michael E. Shea [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 11:20 AM Subject: [newbie] Problems with boot disk. I have Linux Mandrake 7.0 Complete installed on the following system Athlon 500 MHZ 64M ram. 20G byte IBM hard disk. I have as a first partition an 8G fat32 partition with Windows 98. DrakeX setup a swap partition, a /boot partition (hda5) and a root partition (hda7). Boot loader is lilo. I need to reinstall Windows 98. I understand that if a do this Windows 98 setup will remove lilo from the boot sector in favor of its own boot loader. For this reason I am trying to make a boot floppy so I can mount the root filesystem and reinstall lilo after I reload 98. I have tried created boot and rescue disks using both dos (writeraw) and linux following the instructions from the documentation. The boot disk works but whenever I select "rescue" from the "boot:" prompt and put in the rescue diskette I get an error. I am not sure but I think the error message is the same as below. I have also tried to use mkbootdisk to make a boot floppy. When I boot off it says it is trying to load the root filesystem off of hda7, I then get an "Error: 0x10" message. Any suggestions. May-be somebody will give you a real bit of advice: let me just express my sympathy. Boot and rescue disks seem to work only in a plathonic space of ideal computers and virtuous users. If you installed Linux from a cd, you can just allow Windows to destroy your boot sector, then make a fake upgrading of Linux from your cd, during which you'll tell it "Oh, yes, I'd love to install a loader! Lilo 'd suit me perfecly well" Nevertheless, If I were you, I would backup everything I 'd think valuable. But I must say that I 'd do that only if I were you: beeing myself, I wouldn't probably be so patient, and I 'd take the risk of loosing everything. Then I would be desperate, and I would have to drink it away.
[expert] OT: CERT virus alert
http://www.cert.org/current/current_activity.html#loveletter Pj
[expert] Heads UP!!!-help
New virus loose called "Kugoe Says Not Today" which is executed thru our old friend Outlook Express using HTML. Idiot friend sent me a piece of the virus code. I don't know what to do with it. Pj
Re: [expert] 7.0-2 Install problems
I don't know about mdk 7.0-2, but in the distro Venus the " $ " is used as a command line prompt after logging is as "user".. I would think, it should not be used as the first character in a password or login, and maybe not at all. Pj http://bytes.gcinet.net Listen or your tongue will make you deaf.. Cherokee Proberb
Re: connection speeds--was: Re: [expert] X or console wont start
I'm in the midwest US about 50 miles from nowhere. I have two ISP's with T-1's but both servers are physically more than 75 miles from me. Because of lousy connections, I bought a USR Sportster 56k external that has the TI chipset. During heavy periods of net use I get slooow load speeds of 4.1 and frequently less if I'm downloading locally. During this time I often load use a mirror in Europe. When traffic is light I can consistently see a d/l of well over 6. A few rare times I connected at over 12. I've been computing a few years now and for my area, anything over 3.5 is almost a miracle. Pj
[expert] video card help
The company I bought the Diamond S3 Trio card from is willing to help. I think it will be best if I stick to a PCI card. I found two 16mb that might work. No box version. STB 830121 (fx voodoo3). It mentioned something about using/needing a Open GL wrapper. ATI 089714, (Xpert 128) in a retail box. I have a Tyan Slot7 board with a shared AGP slot; K62-500 CPU; 160 P-100RAM; and Venus Power pack. I know I said "Air". Mea Culpa! I'll try to do better in the future. All help/comments will be appreciated. What I really want is a card that will work when installed with a minimum of fuss. Thanks for your time and help, Pj ibi#greencis.net
Re: [expert] WindowMaker
Please use English on this list. Pj [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mahmuth Mathumbha The III wrote: Är dålig på Engelska så jag skriver på Svenska och hoppas på svar :) Jag kan inte få fram @ tecknet i Windowmaker när jag kör på runlevel 3, men det fungerar när jag kör på runlevel 5.underligt!! Det finns säkert fler tecken som inte fungerart men har inte testat. Tacksam för all hjälp
[expert] video card
I installed "Air" Power Pack tonight with the help of a L-M guru. We ran into some weird things while trying to install the video card. This guru is a sys adm with several years of *NIX and programming experience and runs the same version on his machines as well as S3Virge video card. When I built this machine I ordered a Diamond S3Virge3D/2D AGP/8MG memory. It is guaranteed to work under Linux, and is the only part I ordered that wasn't a 'boxed' version. The card is installed in the AGP port. We tried three different methods to install it including SuperProbe. We tried different monitor settings including 'custom.' Nothing worked, but I discovered Winblows calls it a S3Inc.Trio 3D/2X. Linux calls it a S3Trio3D/2X PCI. I was told it was a Virge 3D/2D -not 2X- with the S3 chip from Diamond. The CD-ROM I received is a Diamond Speedstar A55. I've seen several threads about video cards and a recent one about SiS chip and I don't mean to confuse the issue but I have a couple of questions. My Tyan 1590 board has the SiS chip. Would this have any effect on the video card? Secondly, what do I have and what should I do about it? My inclination is to send it back and get the correct card. If this isn't what I should use with "Air", what should I order? I do have a AOPEN S3Virge PCI that does run under L-M very nicely, but it only has 2mg memory. All comments will be appreciated. Thanks, Pj [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[expert] OT: Greetings
I wanted to wish all of our list members and developer's, who are celebrating a special event, whether near or far away, a happy holiday. Pj [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [expert] Use of Windows may be hazardous to your Linux
Luckily, this has not been my experience. I partitioned Win and Linux using Partition Magic 5.0. LILO is not in my MBR; Winblows does not know Linux exists; defrag works correctly; and Win files are on my KDE desktop. Pj Lyndon Lininger Sr. wrote: I've never had a problem on a dual boot system with defraging the windows partitions. You must have been very unlucky or your hard drive got flaky. Lyndon Lininger Sr. - Original Message - From: "D. R. Evans" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2000 10:54 AM Subject: Re: [expert] Use of Windows may be hazardous to your Linux -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On 20 Apr 00, at 14:33, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: What happened? Windows defrag destroyed the superblock of primary partition /dev/hda2 although it was told to just defrag "C:"! The other partitions where untouched and without errors. Wow! I really appreciate this posting. Normally I defrag my Windows junk every couple of months. Having just put Linux on my brand new Win98 box, I hadn't given a moment's thought to changing this practice, and fully expected to do a defrag sometime in the next month or so. Now I won't! This seems so fundamental that I'm surprised I haven't seen words to this effect somewhere else. Or maybe you were just very, very (un)lucky. Doc Evans -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.0.2 -- QDPGP 2.60 Comment: Key obtainable from servers: ID 0x6184B81D iQCVAwUBOP8oG/2CFbFhhLgdAQGRvgQAi/cC4jODxHgmHn7CbveGMxyfabsZqvOt EWKPEaSY3/NEzY+pXRG0xc30zglkBKEltSZfpKFZMl/vuAr0J21ZxuXqxUi1BjhO q5NTAhtwtOBy2eZPT4dStn6sKRFeGbFg3TOmZed05DK7FXwRndZyKqq4SYDNMs8V zzj88aHSsdA= =D0y9 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- D.R. Evans N7DR / G4AMJ [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Palindor Chronicles" information and extracts: http://www.sff.net/people/N7DR/drevans.htp --
Re: [expert] Use of Windows may be hazardous to your Linux
I've had some minor problems running defrag on three drives, before Linux. Two drives were W98 and one W95. When I selected defrag "all drives", I noticed a lot of thrashing on the W95 drive. From that point on I selected each drive to defrag individually, and eliminated that problem. I added Linux at the bottom of the drive outside of the 1024 range. As it wasn't recognized, Window didn't try to defrag it. I've probably been blessed with newbie dumb luck. Pj
[expert] OT: need URL
Does anyone know the URL for the Linux Driver's Petition site? Thanks, Pj
Re: [expert] apache help needed!!!
I haven't received a message from the group for 24-hours, is the mail server down? Pj [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [expert] apache help needed!!!
Jean-Michel, I haven't received but 2 posts in 24-hours. Normally I receive 100. Our mail daemon just returned a message from me addressed to you @NetRevolution with the comment .."user unknown".. We're having alot of rain on the East Coast which may account for the problem. Pj
[expert] OT: Missing URL
Can anyone tell me the URL for the Linux Driver Petition? Thanks, Pj [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [expert] I haven't received a message from the group for 24-hours
I sent one post and have seen three of the same message thus far.. If the list-bot ain't broke, it sure is sick. :-) Pj
Re: [expert] Frontpage extensions
Not sure I understand, John. M$ (plain vanilla) HTML worked okay before FP. I think I probably wrote what Scott said wrong. He said that SSI's, like counters, won't display properly in an FP page without the FP stuff in his server too. He runs Apache. FWIW, I noticed when I ftp'd to the new server it had 6-8 FP files in my account, which I happily deleted. FP is just one more reason to embrace Tux, imho. Pj John Aldrich wrote: On Sun, 16 Apr 2000, you wrote: I asked my ISP why he added the FP to hhe server? Apparently the FP pages will look fine but with the extensions in the server, SSI's don't work. Ummyeah...but you can always use OTHER "secure" connections ANY M$-specific stuff won't work without FP. You can use an Apache Secure Server with a certificate to get secure connections, though... John
[expert] Evil FP file
Someone at M$ engineered a hidden back door in FP that allows access to net servers. This story lists the specific file to remove. http://www.internetnews.com/bus-news/article/0,2171,3_341451,00.html Pj
Re: [expert] Frontpage extensions
John, Can you lend a hand, please? Scott runs Apache under FreeBSD. I don't understand *serverspeak*. Scott is paraplegic so physical tinkering with the sys is not possible by him. I asked him if he would dump FP if there was a viable workaround. He said in a second if the solution was compatible and secure. As far as I understand SSI (not much) he does use CGI-bin. Scott is a terrific guy that works very hard to give clients the best possible service and still keep the server secure. Apparently, it is a neverending task. Anything information, or anything you have time to do will be deeply appreciated by me. Scott too. Thanks for your time and consideration, Pj
Re: [expert] Frontpage extensions
I asked my ISP why he added the FP to hhe server? Apparently the FP pages will look fine but with the extensions in the server, SSI's don't work. Pj John Aldrich wrote: On Sun, 16 Apr 2000, you wrote: I have Apache 1.3.12 compiled on my MDK 6.1 server. I have been designing my webpages with Frontpage 2000. Do I have to install Frontpage extensions on this server in order for it to work or can I just ftp the files and directories over manually? Thanks in advance. As long as you aren't using the PROPRIETARY FP extensions in your web design, you can just ftp the files/directories over manually, or use Front Page's FTP to move 'em over. John
Re: [expert] OT: Perfect operating system
I won't deny my memory is not what it used to be. Cat did get one of the first main frames. I was trained to type the cards-which I hated. It was after this time period that Cat got the it. Now my curiosity is aroused. I will have to inquire as to the date. If I can remember. Pj Deryk Barker wrote: Thus spake Pj ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): I remember when Caterpillar got their first main-frame in the early 60's. I don't remember if it was fed *key punch* cards or not, but a friend programed it to play chess. I have no idea about the OS.. maybe some form of UNIX. Not in the early 60s it wasn't. Multics went live in 1969 and Unix wasn't begun until bell Labs pulled out of the project, later that year IIRC. -- |Deryk Barker, Computer Science Dept. |phone: +1 250 370 4452
Re: [expert] reconfiguring disk
I use Windows version Partition 5.0 to re-partition on the fly. Unless Windows partition is full, you should be able to reduce the size of FAT or FAT32 and increase the size of Ext2. If you want to contact me privately I can try to walk thru it step by step. Pj [EMAIL PROTECTED] lorne schachter wrote: I've got an interesting problem. 1 have a 2-disk system, 12G and 4G split as follows: cdrive - 8G Windows98 and 4G Linux ddrive - 3G Windows98 and 1G Linux. I boot Windows directly and Linux from a floppy (because I'm past the 1024 sector boundary?). What I want to do is to shrink the Windows partition (I'm only using about 2G of it) and use the rest as more Linux partition. I'm trying to run Partiton Magic to do this, but it keeps telling me that my partition table is bad. It might be, but that's the only place where there's a problem since the two OS's run fine on their own. The partition table is as follows (for the first drive) partition 1 0 - 0 - 0 thru 1023-255-63 partition 2 1023 - 0 - 0 thru 1023-255-63 Clearly, this information is bad, but it won't let me change it to more reasonable values. Any one have any ideas - my next step is to get ahold of the Power Quest folks for their help. Thanks, Lorne -- Lorne Schachter (732) 819-0460, (732)819-0460 (FAX) http://www.intact.com/~lorne
Re: [expert] What is going on with BUG tracking??
For years I lusted for a *perfect* operating system. So I bought Winblows, only to discover that 90% of the "PC compatable software" caused my machine to crash, lock up and puke blue screens. Then I started hearing whispers about a new OS called Linux. " It's stable," they said. "It'll run for years," they decried. I listened, I read and a kind of limited understanding settled in my soul. Linux isn't integrated - it's composed of modules. If a module doesn't work correctly I have a couple of options. I can download a new version or fix it. I have Mandrake; I'm happily stable and looking forward to the day I can contribute something back to the community besides html. One of the reasons I like and prefer this group is the level of civility. Polite questions always garner a polite answer. Pj
