[FairfieldLife] Re: C4 Accused Of Falsifying Data In Climate Change Documentary
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: NHNE News List Current Members: 1572 Join NHNE's Online Community http://nhnecommunity.ning.com/ Subscribe/unsubscribe/archive info at the bottom of this message. C4 ACCUSED OF FALSIFYING DATA IN DOCUMENTARY ON CLIMATE CHANGE Perhaps there iS hemp involved... :0
[FairfieldLife] Re: Request to Rick to burn my months posts for Ron Paul
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of off_world_beings Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 6:55 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Request to Rick to burn my months posts for Ron Paul Just kidding about burning the months posts Rick. Just making a point about Ron Paul. http://youtube.com/watch?v=HA9EHrH7NKQ from what little I know about him, I agree with you. I'd vote for him over some Democrats. Very cool dude. This is not directed at you Rick, (though if the shoe fits at least one foot ...) but more to others I see lauding this guy. He is interesting. But for those who cry and moan and belittle the Bush tax cuts -- and intents (which turned out to be words only) for constraints on goverment spending -- and then to applaud Paul -- is the height of irony. Its almost surreal. Paul doesn't want to cut taxes -- he wants to TOTALLY eliminate income taxes. And to do that, he would cut government spending by a third. Given that entitlements and debt service take up a large portion of the budget, this means most discretionary funding would be cut. Like for education, energy policy, expanded health care, science resarch, etc. Are you and others who like Paul really behind these ideas? Are you in favor of such policies? Personally I am not arguing against these polices, being some what towards rational libertarianism on the political scale. I am not advocating them, but I would be interested in some slices of what he suggests. But his view are SO counter to what appear to be the mainstream political thinking in this group, I am laughingly surprised that those who support Dennis K on one hand, can clap for ron paul a second later. Finally some common sense on this subject. This is precisely what I was trying to tell other_worldlyness.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Request to Rick to burn my months posts for Ron Paul
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: Paul doesn't want to cut taxes -- he wants to TOTALLY eliminate income taxes. And to do that, he would cut government spending by a third. Given that entitlements and debt service take up a large portion of the budget, this means most discretionary funding would be cut. Like for education, energy policy, expanded health care, science resarch, etc. Are you and others who like Paul really behind these ideas? Are you in favor of such policies? Incorrect. If you actually listen to his reasoning you will see that his policy would actually INCREASE money available for education, energy policy, health care, science research, etc.by FAR !!! This is his WHOLE POINT ! It is a rational approach. But you are right, most people in the country probably are not smart enough to understand this reasoning. OffWorld OK, I will read more. I have seen 2-3 of his speeches and read a lot of his congressional and campaign websights. They are kind of sparse on his range of proposed policies. I one speech I heard today, he said that government spending would have to be radically reduced. That we could not depend on government for many of the things we do now. I perhaps incorrectly inferred that this was education, health, energy, etc. No, you weren't incorrect. I reproduced for off_world where he stands on many of these issues and, if anything, your 30% figure for reducing government wasn't enough: I produced a quote from him that indicated 60%. Be clear: this man is beyond being a libertarian: he is an anarcho- capitalist. And although he hasn't said it explicitly, if you read between the lines, he doesn't believe in global warming. Since those -- and the military are among the high ticket discretionary items. I assume he would severely slash the military. Though savings on that would be realized some time down the road -- with so much in fixed costs and commited contracts -- and paymens for the forced retirement of 100,000's armed forces. What would his propsed budget look like? From this, below, he sounds like a strong fiscal conservative, agaisnt monetary policy and the military. -- April 2, 2007 The fiscal year 2008 budget, passed in the House of Representatives last week, is a monument to irresponsibility and profligacy. It shows that Congress remains oblivious to the economic troubles facing the nation, and that political expediency trumps all common sense in Washington. To the extent that proponents and supporters of these unsustainable budget increases continue to win reelection, it also shows that many Americans unfortunately continue to believe government can provide them with a free lunch. To summarize, Congress proposes spending roughly $3 trillion in 2008. When I first came to Congress in 1976, the federal government spent only about $300 billion. So spending has increased tenfold in thirty years, and tripled just since 1990. About one-third of this $3 trillion is so-called discretionary spending; the remaining two-thirds is deemed mandatory entitlement spending, which means mostly Social Security and Medicare. I'm sure many American voters would be shocked to know their elected representatives essentially have no say over two-thirds of the federal budget, but that is indeed the case. In fact the most disturbing problem with the budget is the utter lack of concern for the coming entitlement meltdown. For those who thought a Democratic congress would end the war in Iraq, think again: their new budget proposes supplemental funds totaling about $150 billion in 2008 and $50 billion in 2009 for Iraq. This is in addition to the ordinary Department of Defense budget of more than $500 billion, which the Democrats propose increasing each year just like the Republicans. The substitute Republican budget is not much better: while it does call for freezing some discretionary spending next year, it increases military spending to make up the difference. The bottom line is that both the Democratic and Republican budget proposals call for more total spending in 2008 than 2007. My message to my colleagues is simple: If you claim to support smaller government, don't introduce budgets that increase spending over the previous year. Can any fiscal conservative in Congress honestly believe that overall federal spending cannot be cut 25%? We could cut spending by two-thirds and still have a federal government as large as it was in 1990. Congressional budgets essentially are meaningless documents, with no force of law beyond the coming fiscal year. Thus budget projections are
[FairfieldLife] Once again, killing time... : /
Why is it, that some sour grapes svaamiis think Patañjali advises people not to practise siddhis? The reason might well be that the Sanskrit skills of many of them are not too good. As many of us know, the original suutra goes like this: te samaadhaav upasargaa(,) vyutthaane siddhayaH. If ones linguistic intuition is weak, one might actually read that as a warning against practising siddhis. But Patañjali in fact refers only to the refined senses mentioned in the previous suutra: tataH *praatibha*-shraavaNa... The clue(?) for interpreting that suutra is to make it clear for oneself, what is the antecedent of the pronoun 'te'(they). We are not sure, but we guess, that when Patañjali uses pronouns like that, they usually refer to the previous suutra. At least Vyaasa in his Yoga-suutra-bhaaSya makes it rather clear what he thinks is the antecedent of that pronoun. Sez Vyaasa: te praatibhaadayaH (*praatibha*-aadayaH: praatibha, etc.) samaahita-cittasyotpadyamaanaa... To paraphrase kRSNa's last words in the Giitaa: iti matir mama... ;)
[FairfieldLife] Re: VIDEO: See Guru Dev film on You Tube
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis reavismarek@ wrote: snip In any case, it's definitely not Guru Dev's talk about the salt statue going to measure the ocean's depth; Apparently a common analogy among Yogis sometimes attributed to RamaKrishna. Ramakrishna compared Savikalpa Samadhi (samadhi with consciousness of one's individuality) to a cotton doll which when put in water gets saturated with it, and Nirvikalpa Samadhi (Unity-no distinction) to a doll of salt which when immersed in water disolves and loses itself in it. I guess you could say in Nirvikalpa the drop becomes the ocean... Another story by Swami Yogananda: To paraphrase a well-known allegory, he is then comparable to an idol made of sugar that sought to measure the depth of the Ocean of Divine Nectar. On entering the Sea, it found itself melting. The idol retreated hurriedly to the shore, thinking: Why lose my identity in order to determine the depth of divine sweetness? I already know that the Ocean is indeed very deep, and Its nectar exceedingly sweet. Thus the sugar idol chose to perceive the Ocean of Sweetness through the isolated consciousness of individuality. Similarly, a devotee may love to be one with the Infinite, yet love even more the enjoyment of God experienced by retaining his individual existence. The latter is the state of supreme devotion.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Dector: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Dector: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda I never interacted with John Cowhig, but as you know I did with Michael Yankaus. I came close to throwing him off a mountain in St. Moritz. He that that kinda effect on people. So the notion of him as the hugging saint in comparison to Cowhig speaks volumes. :-) I want to reemphasize that age and experience have mellowed Michael. I'm not married to the guy, but in my interactions with him in recent years, he has come across as much more broad-minded, open-hearted, and easy-going than the old Michael. Good to hear. I was speaking only of the old Michael, the one I met in St. Moritz and the one whom the rest of the TM teachers at the Palo Alto center wanted to lynch on a regular basis. Time does wonders...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Dector: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda
Does anyone else notice the similarity of the Judyspeak below to the recent postings by Lisa and Joe? The *emphasis* is not on the relevant issue (in this case, whether TMers were ripped off by fellow TMers), but on establishing the person who thinks incorrectly (in this case, Vaj) as a bad person, a liar. THAT is what Lisa and Joe have built their career on, while defending Sai Baba. THAT is what Judy Stein has built *her* career on, while defending Maharishi. It would be different, IMO, if, when confronted by a post critical of Maharishi or the TMO, Judy dealt with the discernible facts and ONLY the facts. Google away! Provide all the documentation in the world to support your stance. HOWEVER, when you can't leave it at that, and feel that you *have* to follow up the facts by trying to get everyone here to agree that the other person is a liar, or intellectually dishonest or otherwise untrustworthy, THEN you have crossed the border into compulsive ad hominem, into shoot the messenger. IMO, for Lisa and Joe, ad hominem is a way of life. They *live* to demonize the critics of Sai Baba. And as a result they have lost the respect of pretty much every forum they have ever touched. IMO, for Judy, sadly (because it's a waste of a good intellect), ad hominem had also become a way of life. And Judy wonders why she don't get no respect here. And the saddest part is that all three actually feel GOOD about what they do. They see themselves as some kind of hero, fighting for truth, justice, and the American Way. The day that Judy can respond to the facts and *leave* it at the facts, without including one of her zingers at the end of the post urging other readers to think of the person she's debating with or refuting as a liar or a fool or intentionally misleading, then I'll promote her to aspiring hero. Until then, she's just a mean-spirited bitch who gets off on trying to convince others that they should hate the same people she hates. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Jun 3, 2007, at 1:51 PM, authfriend wrote: snip It looks to me, from reading the material about the book from Gratzon and others, that it's very much along the lines of The Secret. I'm not endorsing Gratzon's approach, by the way, or suggesting that TMers haven't crafted or gotten suckered by get-rich-quick schemes. But Gratzon's book ain't one of 'em. My only point is that Vaj did not tell the truth when he claimed there were links to get-rich-quick schemes from a Google search for the phrase Do nothing and accomplish everything, and that he continues to tell falsehoods in an attempt to cover up that unfortunate fact. As usual, though, nobody but me seems to think there's anything wrong with that. Don't assume that the world revolves around Google. Most of what I'm sharing will be apparent to those who actually have not lived sequestered lives but have some experience in the movement and the people who were part of it. (Lived sequestered lives? Vaj thinks I've led a sequestered life? That's hilarious.) Vaj is *still* trying to cover up the lie he told about having found lots of links to get-rich-quick schemes in a Google search of the phrase Do nothing and accomplish everything. There were no such links. He made it up. The only links to that phrase were to a book by a TM teacher that had nothing to do with get-rich-quick schemes. (Actually there may have been a couple of links to TM-related sites that discussed what MMY means by the phrase, which obviously has nothing to do with get-rich-quick schemes either.) I see Judy as someone very much on the periphery of the movement Not even on the periphery, as I have made quite clear. (likely not even able to meditate in the domes, a course reject) I've been accepted on every course I've ever applied to, actually, several dozen over the years. (Never applied to one at MUM other than my TM-Sidhis block, though.) who only pieces together info from secondary sources. I postulate my claims based on direct experience of people involved in movement inspired businesses and the financial disasters that ensued. The reason no one supports your dissembling is they see it as just that: a second or third handed attempt to build an argument based on google-loka. As Vaj knows, he's misrepresenting my argument. It has to do with direct experience of Vaj and Google, not with the movement or the financial problems of TMers. Vaj told a lie about what he had found on Google. That's my argument, and as Vaj knows, it's he who is dissembling, not me. Maybe if you had some better social skills people could actually believe you've been out there and seen something, anything that supports your desperate attempts at salvaging your point. My point was that
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Dector: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: I'm not surprised BTW that New Morn, a TB, would fall for it. Wow. Vaj thinks I am a true beleiver. To read my posts and believe that I am a true believer is simply fantastic (as in fantasy). I am speechless. Gotta speak up and agree about the TB part. I don't see you as one at all. However, the idea of you being rendered speechless *does* lighten my day. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Dector: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone else notice the similarity of the Judyspeak below to the recent postings by Lisa and Joe? The *emphasis* is not on the relevant issue (in this case, whether TMers were ripped off by fellow TMers), but on establishing the person who thinks incorrectly (in this case, Vaj) as a bad person, a liar. THAT is what Lisa and Joe have built their career on, while defending Sai Baba. THAT is what Judy Stein has built *her* career on, while defending Maharishi. It would be different, IMO, if, when confronted by a post critical of Maharishi or the TMO, Judy dealt with the discernible facts and ONLY the facts. Google away! Provide all the documentation in the world to support your stance. HOWEVER, when you can't leave it at that, and feel that you *have* to follow up the facts by trying to get everyone here to agree that the other person is a liar, or intellectually dishonest or otherwise untrustworthy, THEN you have crossed the border into compulsive ad hominem, into shoot the messenger. IMO, for Lisa and Joe, ad hominem is a way of life. They *live* to demonize the critics of Sai Baba. And as a result they have lost the respect of pretty much every forum they have ever touched. IMO, for Judy, sadly (because it's a waste of a good intellect), ad hominem had also become a way of life. And Judy wonders why she don't get no respect here. And the saddest part is that all three actually feel GOOD about what they do. They see themselves as some kind of hero, fighting for truth, justice, and the American Way. The day that Judy can respond to the facts and *leave* it at the facts, without including one of her zingers at the end of the post urging other readers to think of the person she's debating with or refuting as a liar or a fool or intentionally misleading, then I'll promote her to aspiring hero. Until then, she's just a mean-spirited bitch who gets off on trying to convince others that they should hate the same people she hates. One last comment and then I'll drop it. Twenty posts within a 24-hour period. EVERY ONE OF THEM a clear attempt to get other people on this forum to think nega- tively about one or more posters on this forum who have disagreed with Judy Stein. EVERY ONE OF THEM an attempt to get others to pile on and add to the demonization. Not a single post that added value or discussed anything the least bit substan- tive or spiritual. As new.morning said so well recently, Some posts just don't deserve a response. Is it any wonder that so few people bother to respond to Judy's posts any more?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Once again, killing time... : /
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To paraphrase kRSNa's last words in the Giitaa: iti matir mama... ;) Oops! I guess those were Sañjaya's (but not Malakar's) words. http://news.sawf.org/Gossip/36317.aspx
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Dector: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda
On Jun 4, 2007, at 4:17 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: Does anyone else notice the similarity of the Judyspeak below to the recent postings by Lisa and Joe? The *emphasis* is not on the relevant issue (in this case, whether TMers were ripped off by fellow TMers), but on establishing the person who thinks incorrectly (in this case, Vaj) as a bad person, a liar. Very similar. THAT is what Lisa and Joe have built their career on, while defending Sai Baba. THAT is what Judy Stein has built *her* career on, while defending Maharishi. It would be different, IMO, if, when confronted by a post critical of Maharishi or the TMO, Judy dealt with the discernible facts and ONLY the facts. Google away! Provide all the documentation in the world to support your stance. HOWEVER, when you can't leave it at that, and feel that you *have* to follow up the facts by trying to get everyone here to agree that the other person is a liar, or intellectually dishonest or otherwise untrustworthy, THEN you have crossed the border into compulsive ad hominem, into shoot the messenger. Or email them to death--fortunately the current format discourages such terrorist email tactics. IMO, for Lisa and Joe, ad hominem is a way of life. They *live* to demonize the critics of Sai Baba. And as a result they have lost the respect of pretty much every forum they have ever touched. IMO, for Judy, sadly (because it's a waste of a good intellect), ad hominem had also become a way of life. And Judy wonders why she don't get no respect here. And the saddest part is that all three actually feel GOOD about what they do. They see themselves as some kind of hero, fighting for truth, justice, and the American Way. Or the natural law way :-) The day that Judy can respond to the facts and *leave* it at the facts, without including one of her zingers at the end of the post urging other readers to think of the person she's debating with or refuting as a liar or a fool or intentionally misleading, then I'll promote her to aspiring hero. Until then, she's just a mean-spirited bitch who gets off on trying to convince others that they should hate the same people she hates. It was always interesting to me, that whether or not the posts you make even deal with her or anything she might be marginally interested in, our dear Judy will feel the knee-jerk necessity (or obsession) to respond to your emails, if only for the chance to make some negative remark or to try to cast you in some bad light.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: rising sign of Sat Yuga
In a message dated 6/3/07 10:10:28 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You may also want to keep in mind that the unstated yet official position of the power brokers in the country, both Repubs and Dems is strongly in favor of illegal immigration- it allows for greater economic exploitation of a permanent underclass. The aim of those power brokers is to continually show just one side of the coin and keep the focus on those damned illegals, when it is in fact a US policy decision to continue to attract, admit, and employ people from Mexico and Central America illegally. :-) I think they are looking at it as a way to fix Social Security for the baby boomers that didn't reproduce very well. ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'John Lennon Magic Alex- Rishikesh, 1968...'
Curtis wrote: Richard, you are a lying troll. It has already been established that Marshy started the SRM in order to get female students into bed. You should read the FL archives and you would already know this. Why you'd want to deny this at this point - I don't know. The only question left is why you'd want to deny it. If it's true, that would be nothing to be ashamed of. Apparently lots of teachers took a tumble with their female students - Marshy, Bevan, Sai, Trungpa, Osel, Da, Kalu, Sogyal, not to mention Krishna the Murti, Swami Rama of the Himalayas, and the Zen Master Rama. Why don't you just be honest? Ned Wynn: Now, however, I had my eye on becoming a teacher of TM. Becoming a teacher of TM was a good deal from every angle. You got a big boost on the road to God Conciousness, you could actually tell people you had a job, and, in a not-unwelcome side effect, a lot of meditating women looked on being a teacher as similar to being a sort of rock figure. (...) The more immediate rewards of hatha-yoga were more earthly. For one thing, you could get a woman to disrobe in order to perform it. And there is nothing quite like the sight of a girl in her bikini underwear doing the Plough. Work cited: We Will Always Live in Beverly Hills Growing up crazy in Hollywood By Ned Wynn Morrow, 1990 p. 239 Curtis and Ned have already admitted that one of the primary reasons they attended these TTCs was to get women into bed.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Dector: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda
On Jun 4, 2007, at 4:21 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: I'm not surprised BTW that New Morn, a TB, would fall for it. Wow. Vaj thinks I am a true beleiver. To read my posts and believe that I am a true believer is simply fantastic (as in fantasy). I am speechless. Gotta speak up and agree about the TB part. I don't see you as one at all. Please understand, I do define TB a bit differently. For me a TB is someone who simply is a true believer in the TM technique and or the enlightened status of Mr. Varma. I often enjoy New Morns insights and objectivity by and large, esp. when the posts are concise. We agree on many things. I do not see New Morn as a radical or rabid TB.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Dector: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone else notice the similarity of the Judyspeak below to the recent postings by Lisa and Joe? The *emphasis* is not on the relevant issue (in this case, whether TMers were ripped off by fellow TMers), but on establishing the person who thinks incorrectly (in this case, Vaj) as a bad person, a liar. Note that thinks incorrectly and bad person are Barry's phrases, put in quotes along with liar to make it seem as though they were mine-- one of Barry's common tactics of misrepresentation. Note that the relevant issue is not whether TMers have ripped off fellow TMers, but whether Vaj lied about what he found on Google. Note that nowhere does Vaj actually deal with the relevant issue. Instead, he claims I've led a sequestered life, that I'm on the periphery of the movement, suggests I'm a course reject, accuses me of dissembling (i.e., lying), claims no one supports me, and says I have poor social skills. And Barry's attacking *me* for using ad hominem and not addressing the relevant issue! THAT is what Lisa and Joe have built their career on, while defending Sai Baba. THAT is what Judy Stein has built *her* career on, while defending Maharishi. In this case, of course, I'm not defending MMY. It would be different, IMO, if, when confronted by a post critical of Maharishi or the TMO, Judy dealt with the discernible facts and ONLY the facts. Google away! Provide all the documentation in the world to support your stance. HOWEVER, when you can't leave it at that, and feel that you *have* to follow up the facts by trying to get everyone here to agree that the other person is a liar, or intellectually dishonest or otherwise untrustworthy, THEN you have crossed the border into compulsive ad hominem, into shoot the messenger. IMO, for Lisa and Joe, ad hominem is a way of life. They *live* to demonize the critics of Sai Baba. Just as Barry and Vaj live to demonize those who support TM and MMY. And as a result they have lost the respect of pretty much every forum they have ever touched. The interesting question is why Barry and Vaj have not lost the respect of this forum. IMO, for Judy, sadly (because it's a waste of a good intellect), ad hominem had also become a way of life. And Judy wonders why she don't get no respect here. Um, no, what I wonder (as I've stated explicitly any number of times) is why the folks on this forum are so tolerant of the participants who routinely tell knowing falsehoods, like Vaj and Barry. What Barry would like to be able to do is lie his head off and never be called to account for it, as would Vaj. That's why Barry is demonizing me and defending Vaj. And the saddest part is that all three actually feel GOOD about what they do. They see themselves as some kind of hero, fighting for truth, justice, and the American Way. The day that Judy can respond to the facts and *leave* it at the facts, without including one of her zingers at the end of the post urging other readers to think of the person she's debating with or refuting as a liar or a fool or intentionally misleading, then I'll promote her to aspiring hero. Until then, she's just a mean-spirited bitch who gets off on trying to convince others that they should hate the same people she hates. Barry Wright, Master of Inadvertent Irony. Too funny. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Jun 3, 2007, at 1:51 PM, authfriend wrote: snip It looks to me, from reading the material about the book from Gratzon and others, that it's very much along the lines of The Secret. I'm not endorsing Gratzon's approach, by the way, or suggesting that TMers haven't crafted or gotten suckered by get-rich-quick schemes. But Gratzon's book ain't one of 'em. My only point is that Vaj did not tell the truth when he claimed there were links to get-rich-quick schemes from a Google search for the phrase Do nothing and accomplish everything, and that he continues to tell falsehoods in an attempt to cover up that unfortunate fact. As usual, though, nobody but me seems to think there's anything wrong with that. Don't assume that the world revolves around Google. Most of what I'm sharing will be apparent to those who actually have not lived sequestered lives but have some experience in the movement and the people who were part of it. (Lived sequestered lives? Vaj thinks I've led a sequestered life? That's hilarious.) Vaj is *still* trying to cover up the lie he told about having found lots of links to get-rich-quick schemes in a Google search of the phrase Do nothing and accomplish everything. There were no such links. He made it up. The only links to that phrase were to a book by a TM teacher
Re: [FairfieldLife] Once again, killing time... : /
On Jun 4, 2007, at 2:55 AM, cardemaister wrote: Why is it, that some sour grapes svaamiis think Patañjali advises people not to practise siddhis? The reason might well be that the Sanskrit skills of many of them are not too good. The more likely reason is the almost universal insistence that siddhis are impediments to spiritual growth from numerous scriptures and sages. The jivanmuktiviveka, the primary text on enlightenment in the Shankaracharya tradition is an excellent example because Shankaracharya Vidyaranya gives us numerous quotes from sages explaining this. Swami Brahmananda Saraswati shares the opinion. The basic reason often given is that cultivation of siddhis thru samyama causes one to become vyuthana or outward and attached to the outer world. The more precise, yogic reason has to do with *where* the siddhis manifest in the subtle body. The siddhis, these perfections, all relate to various petals or dalas in the sahasara-chakra. Normally, in the process of spiritual unfoldment as shakti awakens and unfolds, these dalas are activated as a side effect of that unfoldment. However, when the siddhis are cultivated directly, as in the TM sidhi pogram, what it can do in some people is force the kundalini-shakti up the vajra or saraswati nadi, diverting it from the sushumna, the central samadhic channel of unification. In such a case one cannot access bindu, the point of return for the shakti. Instead the shakti remains trapped in ascending nadis which do not culminate in an experience of unity or unification. Thus the student is left in a sort of limbo. Some disreputable pseudo-masters will even utilize this fact to make dependent, slave-like students who hang around waiting and waiting.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Dector: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Twenty posts within a 24-hour period. EVERY ONE OF THEM a clear attempt to get other people on this forum to think nega- tively about one or more posters on this forum who have disagreed with Judy Stein. EVERY ONE OF THEM an attempt to get others to pile on and add to the demonization. Patently untrue, on all counts. Not a single post that added value or discussed anything the least bit substan- tive or spiritual. Also untrue. Barry can't even *see* the posts I make that add value. As new.morning said so well recently, Some posts just don't deserve a response. Is it any wonder that so few people bother to respond to Judy's posts any more? I get plenty of responses. Barry apparently can't see those either.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Dector: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda
On Jun 3, 2007, at 7:03 PM, lurkernomore20002000 wrote: I was wondering the same thing. I have a feeling that whatever happened with Great Midwestern was probably just a warm-up compared to Telegroup. I mean I find his premise somewhat outrageous, the more you work, the less success, the less you work, the more success. Hardwork equals a host of negative effects. Maybe that's just the come on, and what he is getting to is working smart and all that. But, Telegroup was a pretty spectacular blow up, so I was curious how he deals with it. Besides that, I find his writing sort of juvenile, but I must admit, I found it interesting, maybe because I was there, at least for the ice cream part. The idea, I guess, is because his ice cream business failed despite the hard work he put in, that that was the cause of it. But of course the hard work was the whole reason it succeeded so well at first. The reason it then went south was evidently because Fred decided to start taking large amounts of time off without having someone trustworthy in charge while he was away. Or maybe they *were* trustworthy but just overwhelmed. I don't know for sure, never really having had my own business, but it seems that taking weeks at a time off, unless it's unavoidable, for anyone in almost any business would not be a good idea. Minding the store has got to be one of the first rules of success. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Dector: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 4, 2007, at 4:17 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: snip HOWEVER, when you can't leave it at that, and feel that you *have* to follow up the facts by trying to get everyone here to agree that the other person is a liar, or intellectually dishonest or otherwise untrustworthy, THEN you have crossed the border into compulsive ad hominem, into shoot the messenger. Or email them to death--fortunately the current format discourages such terrorist email tactics. For the record, as a matter of policy, I don't email anybody I'm not friendly with. Not sure why Vaj would suggest I have done so. snip It was always interesting to me, that whether or not the posts you make even deal with her or anything she might be marginally interested in, our dear Judy will feel the knee-jerk necessity (or obsession) to respond to your emails Nor does Barry email me.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Dector: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As new.morning said so well recently, Some posts just don't deserve a response. Is it any wonder that so few people bother to respond to Judy's posts any more? you sound obsessed.:-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Quiet Zone news update
On Jun 3, 2007, at 10:07 PM, Rick Archer wrote: Rick, Just out of curiosity, if this doesn't go through, are there provisions in place to reimburse donors? And, if not, what happens to the $$? Are the leaders of this thing accountable to anyone? Sal I don’t know. Have you contributed anything? _._,_.___ Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'John Lennon Magic Alex- Rishikesh, 1968...'
Curtis and Ned have already admitted that one of the primary reasons they attended these TTCs was to get women into bed. Curtis wrote: Richard, you are a lying troll. jstein wrote: We seem to be having an outbreak of it today. We? Guffaw! Yeah, write, Yahoo! FL, that's where the moderator maintains an archive called 'Sexie Sadie' that details Ned Wynn's emails describing the Maharishi's private sex life. Isn't it illegal to post someone's private email on Yahoo! Groups, especially libelous and defamatory private email? You'd probably be knowing more about this that anyone, since you're a regular respondent over here. P.S. I couldn't help noticing that you snipped all the important information I posted. I guess you don't want anyone to read about the Marshy's minions and their seduction of the poor female students.
[FairfieldLife] The Valley of the Saints
Then, I told Ned Wynn and Rick Stanley. Later, I made a mistake and took Allen Ginsberg to see the Maharishi at Helen's (Helen Olsen, 'A Hermit in the House', Donnelley 1971). Maharishi warned Allen about LSD and told him that recently half a dozen hippies had come to his room and that they smelled so bad that he told them to go into the garden. Allen was outraged! Allen said: I said what? You must have been reading the newspapers. He said he didn't read newspapers. He insisted that hippies smelled. (Ginsberg, 'International Times' 26 February 1968). Nameste' and Jai Guru Dev! P.S. I am seriously considering a visit to Mt. Kailash to hunt for rare fungi, as part of my Tantra Yoga Sadhana. Do they have Wi-Fi up there yet? If not, I have a great collection of Gilbert Shelton Comics I could take with me! Please send any comments you might have to this fellow - otherwise you can be leaving a message with Parvati at Whole Foods in Austin - I'll get back to you. Tejas Wallah General Delivery The Valley of the Saints Attention: Post Office Wallah Uttar Kashi, Garwhal, Himalayas, India http://www.rwilliams.us/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Once again, killing time... : /
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 4, 2007, at 2:55 AM, cardemaister wrote: Why is it, that some sour grapes svaamiis think Patañjali advises people not to practise siddhis? The reason might well be that the Sanskrit skills of many of them are not too good. The more likely reason is the almost universal insistence that siddhis are impediments to spiritual growth from numerous scriptures and sages. The jivanmuktiviveka, the primary text on enlightenment in the Shankaracharya tradition is an excellent example because Shankaracharya Vidyaranya gives us numerous quotes from sages explaining this. Swami Brahmananda Saraswati shares the opinion. FWIW, according to /Shankara-dig-vijaya/ by Maadhava-VidyaaraNya, Shankara [...] left Prayaga, and travelling through the skies, reached the splendid city of Mahishmati[...]. If VidyaaraNya was opposed to siddhis, he might not have specified how Shankara went there.
[FairfieldLife] Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . .
. . . according to Dr. Raj P. Varma. Dr. Varma was a longtime devotee of Guru Dev. They knew each other personally. The following is taken from Dr. Varma's biography of Guru Dev, 'Strange Facts About a Great Saint'. Due to old age and exertion, His Divinity Maharaj Shri [Swami Brahmananda Saraswati - Guru Dev] felt lassitude. His health ran down and doctors were taking care of him. On May 20, 1953, at about one o'clock in the afternoon, His Holiness Maharaj Shri was examined by a renowned doctor, Shri Vidhan Chandra Roy of Calcutta, who said there was nothing wrong with his health, the heart was normal and the general condition was satisfactory and requested Maharaj Shri to take rest. Maharaj Shri reposed for about 10 minutes and then sat on the bed and said to Mahesh Brahmachari [now Maharishi Mahesh Yogi] that his time was over and that he would go. Maharaj Shri imparted some instructions to Mahesh before taking eternal samadhi. His Holiness said, Due to continuous engagements in preaching and the management of the Jyotishpeeth one thing sill remains to be completed and that is to give a technique to family people, in general so that by sitting and meditating for a few minutes in the morning and in the evening every day, they might enjoy peace and hapiness in their lives you have to do this remaining work, I have given you everything. A son has to complete his father's remaining work after him, so also a disciple completes his guru's remaining work after him. Maharaj Shri also directed Mahesh ji how his body is to be disposed of after he had left it and the due rites to be performed thereafter. With these directions His Divinity Shri Guru Dev at 1:15 PM San Padmason, closed his eyes and became Brahmleem, i.e. emerged in the Absolute. By Yogic way he left the perishable body which is a structure of earth, water, fire, sky and air. - _ Guru Dev's body was transported via special truck, then train and finally barge to the Kedar Ghat on the banks of the Ganges near Varanasi. Enroute, tens of thousands of devotees and mourners wept and crowded close in an effort to receive one last darshan from the master. From Kedar Ghat, his body was transferred to a specially constructed stone casket and taken by a fleet of boats to the middle of the Ganges where it was lowered over the side. It is documented in several written accounts that Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, then known as Brahmachari Mahesh, dove into the water and held onto the casket as it sank to the bottom. After being under the water for over two minutes, he surfaced, took a breath and dove down again. Onlookers were frightened that perhaps they might lose Brahmachari Mahesh too. Finally, he came up and returned to the boat. Recalling these events years later, Maharishi said that he too had dropped the body while he was under water, but that Guru Dev had sent him back. Several times, Maharishi tried to stay with his master and finally, Guru Dev said to him, Where do you think I am going? You are not through here. You should stay. From: http://www.srigurudev.net/srigurudev/gurudev/biography.html In his book, God and Love, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi writes this about Guru Dev during his tenure as Shankaracharya of Jyotirmath. His policy of spiritual enlightenment was all embracing. He inspired all alike and gave a lift to everyone All parties found a common leader head in Him. All the differences and dissensions of castes, creeds and smapradayas dissolved in His presence Such was His Universality and all-embracing nature. His entire personality exhaled the serene perfume of spirituality. His face radiated that rare light which comprises love, authority, serenity and self-assuredness; the state that comes only by righteous living and Divine realization. His Darshan made people feel as if some ancient Maharishi of Upanishadic fame had assumed human form again; and that is it worthwhile leading a good life and to strive for realization of the Divine.
[FairfieldLife] Re: VIDEO: See Guru Dev film on You Tube
Thanks, Bob, I stand corrected. Maharishi sure does sound like him, though, even the laugh. ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis reavismarek@ wrote: Bob, I'm positive that it's Maharishi speaking, not Guru Dev. At first I thought it was Guru Dev, too, but it's only because Maharishi so very much sounds like Guru Dev; lots of the same inflections and stresses, but Maharishi's voice is a bit higher register. Also, about halfway through he laughs and the laugh seems unmistakeably Maharishi's. In any case, it's definitely not Guru Dev's talk about the salt statue going to measure the ocean's depth; I've listened to that scores of times and know it well. Thanks to Paul Mason for uploading it to YouTube. ** *** Well, Paul Mason, in a reply at the youtube posting, sez it is GD -- here's the exchange: Who is speaking on this video -- is it Guru Dev? (Reply) PremanandPaul (1 day ago) The soundtrack of this film is a 'wire-recording' of Guru Dev giving a lecture. Other recordings of Guru Dev speaking and singing are posted as mp3s on his webpages, try a search engine and type: Guru Dev Recordings (Reply) divineinanna (1 day ago) Can you supply any date or location of the footage? (Reply) PremanandPaul (1 day ago) Guru Dev film and audio from circa 1950-51, North India. Judging from what Guru Dev is saying on the audio recording he was not very far from the birthplace of Sita (i.e. Mithila), so possibly the ancient city of Patna, or maybe Lucknow (where the filmstock and wire- recordings were found), or perhaps even Varanasi (where Guru Dev had his main ashram). --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, george_deforest george.deforest@ wrote: do.rflex wrote: Guru Dev video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oxh2Txy9_C4 Thanks to Paul Mason. one question: who is the narrator, and what is he saying ... is it Guru Dev speaking ?? also, cameo of young Maharishi, at about 2:20 *** It's Guru Dev speaking, possibly this is what he's saying -- recordings of him were rare: In a rare wire recording of Swami Brahmananda Sarasvati, he says that it is easy for the mind to reach the paramatma (that which is beyond the Atman) but the experience cannot be expressed. He gives the example of a statue made of salt. You can put it in the sea and it will go deep down into the water without any difficulty. It will melt in the sea. If you ask the statue to say anything about the sea (the experience) like how deep it was, etc. it is very difficult! Like that the mind experiences the paramatma and becomes immersed in it. It cannot speak about the experience of becoming the paramatma. If it can then it has not really experienced it. http://tinyurl.com/yodp3x
[FairfieldLife] Re: Once again, killing time... : /
Why is it, that some sour grapes svaamiis think Pata�jali advises people not to practise siddhis? The reason might well be that the Sanskrit skills of many of them are not too good. Vaj wrote: The more likely reason is the almost universal insistence that siddhis are impediments to spiritual growth from numerous scriptures and sages. Would that include all the numerous Buddhist scriptures and sages, most of whom, if not all, advocate the development of various siddhis? And would that include the Shakyamuni himself who once demonstrated a feat of yogic flying by rising up above the city of Shravasti in order to impress the people? The jivanmuktiviveka, the primary text on enlightenment in the Shankaracharya tradition is an excellent example because Shankaracharya Vidyaranya gives us numerous quotes from sages explaining this. Swami Brahmananda Saraswati shares the opinion. The primary text of the Shankaracharya tradition is the 'Tripura Upanishad' which promises untold siddhis from the practice of bija mantra meditation on Tripurasundari. Shankara advocates the use of siddhis in his famous 'Ode to the South-facing Form' and in the 'Ananda Lahari'. Shankara does not dispute the words of Patanjali. You should read Shankara's vartika on Vyasa's commentary on Patanjali's Yoga Sutras. The basic reason often given is that cultivation of siddhis thru samyama causes one to become vyuthana or outward and attached to the outer world. The more precise, yogic reason has to do with *where* the siddhis manifest in the subtle body. The siddhis, these perfections, all relate to various petals or dalas in the sahasara-chakra. Normally, in the process of spiritual unfoldment as shakti awakens and unfolds, these dalas are activated as a side effect of that unfoldment. You need to get some smarts, Vaj, according to the Tripura Upanishad, the 'sahasara' isn't a chakra. You've made a fundamental mistake if you consider the yogic body to have a more that six exoteric chakras. Work cited: 'The Svacchanda Sangraha' Bhaskara's Lalitasahasraranama Bhasya p.53 'The Serpent Power' by Arthur Avalon pp.169-170, 'Shakti and Shakta' by Arthur Avalon p.409. However, when the siddhis are cultivated directly, as in the TM sidhi pogram, what it can do in some people is force the kundalini-shakti up the vajra or saraswati nadi, diverting it from the sushumna, the central samadhic channel of unification. In such a case one cannot access bindu, the point of return for the shakti. You really need to get some smarts: the bindu is not the 'point of return' for the shakti - the bindu is the point of origin. Every Shankara tantric knows the order of evolutes contained in the Sri Yantra. The bindu is the point of origin - the petals and the gates are the point of return. Perhaps you should read the primary texts of the Shankara Sri Vidya - the Saundaryalahari. Have you ever even seen an image of the Sri Yantra? If so, did you see that little dot in the middle of of the intersecting triangles? That's the bindu, the central focus of every Dasanami Sanyasin. Instead the shakti remains trapped in ascending nadis which do not culminate in an experience of unity or unification. Thus the student is left in a sort of limbo. Some disreputable pseudo-masters will even utilize this fact to make dependent, slave-like students who hang around waiting and waiting. The Shakyamuni was not a 'pseudo-master' you idiot!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . .
Due to continuous engagements in preaching and the management of the Jyotishpeeth one thing sill remains to be completed and that is to give a technique to family people, in general so that by sitting and meditating for a few minutes in the morning and in the evening every day, they might enjoy peace and hapiness in their lives you have to do this remaining work, I have given you everything. A son has to complete his father's remaining work after him, so also a disciple completes his guru's remaining work after him. Doesn't this seem to contradict MMY's own account of what happened after Guru Dev died and how the movement started? By his own account he sat in Uttar Kashi without any thoughts for two years until he had the thought to go South to Rameshwarum (Sp?) Even there he was innocently goaded into doing lectures. Given MMYs delight in telling the story of his meeting Guru Dev, I find the omission of the story of Guru Dev's instructions to be unlikely. I think Dr. Varma was just being creative here. I think if Guru Dev had given MMY this direct instruction we would have heard about it from him. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: . . . according to Dr. Raj P. Varma. Dr. Varma was a longtime devotee of Guru Dev. They knew each other personally. The following is taken from Dr. Varma's biography of Guru Dev, 'Strange Facts About a Great Saint'. Due to old age and exertion, His Divinity Maharaj Shri [Swami Brahmananda Saraswati - Guru Dev] felt lassitude. His health ran down and doctors were taking care of him. On May 20, 1953, at about one o'clock in the afternoon, His Holiness Maharaj Shri was examined by a renowned doctor, Shri Vidhan Chandra Roy of Calcutta, who said there was nothing wrong with his health, the heart was normal and the general condition was satisfactory and requested Maharaj Shri to take rest. Maharaj Shri reposed for about 10 minutes and then sat on the bed and said to Mahesh Brahmachari [now Maharishi Mahesh Yogi] that his time was over and that he would go. Maharaj Shri imparted some instructions to Mahesh before taking eternal samadhi. His Holiness said, Due to continuous engagements in preaching and the management of the Jyotishpeeth one thing sill remains to be completed and that is to give a technique to family people, in general so that by sitting and meditating for a few minutes in the morning and in the evening every day, they might enjoy peace and hapiness in their lives you have to do this remaining work, I have given you everything. A son has to complete his father's remaining work after him, so also a disciple completes his guru's remaining work after him. Maharaj Shri also directed Mahesh ji how his body is to be disposed of after he had left it and the due rites to be performed thereafter. With these directions His Divinity Shri Guru Dev at 1:15 PM San Padmason, closed his eyes and became Brahmleem, i.e. emerged in the Absolute. By Yogic way he left the perishable body which is a structure of earth, water, fire, sky and air. - _ Guru Dev's body was transported via special truck, then train and finally barge to the Kedar Ghat on the banks of the Ganges near Varanasi. Enroute, tens of thousands of devotees and mourners wept and crowded close in an effort to receive one last darshan from the master. From Kedar Ghat, his body was transferred to a specially constructed stone casket and taken by a fleet of boats to the middle of the Ganges where it was lowered over the side. It is documented in several written accounts that Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, then known as Brahmachari Mahesh, dove into the water and held onto the casket as it sank to the bottom. After being under the water for over two minutes, he surfaced, took a breath and dove down again. Onlookers were frightened that perhaps they might lose Brahmachari Mahesh too. Finally, he came up and returned to the boat. Recalling these events years later, Maharishi said that he too had dropped the body while he was under water, but that Guru Dev had sent him back. Several times, Maharishi tried to stay with his master and finally, Guru Dev said to him, Where do you think I am going? You are not through here. You should stay. From: http://www.srigurudev.net/srigurudev/gurudev/biography.html In his book, God and Love, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi writes this about Guru Dev during his tenure as Shankaracharya of Jyotirmath. His policy of spiritual enlightenment was all embracing. He inspired all alike and gave a lift to everyone All parties found a common leader head in Him. All the differences and dissensions of castes, creeds and smapradayas dissolved in His presence Such was His Universality and all-embracing nature. His entire personality exhaled the serene perfume of spirituality. His face radiated that rare light which comprises love,
[FairfieldLife] Beatles-mantra?
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Paris Je t'aime
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A collection of 18 short films, all set in Paris. All different directors and writers. I really enjoyed the ride. For film buffs this is pure porno, like what writers experience when they read good short stories. The compression is powerful. So many versions of lives at their essence. I would have missed this gem if I had not seen a good review. Check it out! This mishmash of a film you consider porno for film buffs, essence of lives, a gem ? It generated indifferent reviews here and one sees why; most of it is made by american directors who flew in some semi-poor hollywood characters and made romatic and sentimental journeys to a culture they will never understand. They love the architecture, and that is about it. I would make one single little concession; Nick Nolte played quite convincing... as usual. Get a film-life; start seeing russian films.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Dector: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: As new.morning said so well recently, Some posts just don't deserve a response. Is it any wonder that so few people bother to respond to Judy's posts any more? you sound obsessed.:-) He has a boring obsession for attention...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . .
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Due to continuous engagements in preaching and the management of the Jyotishpeeth one thing sill remains to be completed and that is to give a technique to family people, in general so that by sitting and meditating for a few minutes in the morning and in the evening every day, they might enjoy peace and hapiness in their lives you have to do this remaining work, I have given you everything. A son has to complete his father's remaining work after him, so also a disciple completes his guru's remaining work after him. Doesn't this seem to contradict MMY's own account of what happened after Guru Dev died and how the movement started? By his own account he sat in Uttar Kashi without any thoughts for two years until he had the thought to go South to Rameshwarum (Sp?) Even there he was innocently goaded into doing lectures. Given MMYs delight in telling the story of his meeting Guru Dev, I find the omission of the story of Guru Dev's instructions to be unlikely. I think Dr. Varma was just being creative here. I think if Guru Dev had given MMY this direct instruction we would have heard about it from him. Your personal opinions and $5.00 will get you a cup of coffee at Starbucks.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . .
Curtis wrote: Doesn't this seem to contradict MMY's own account of what happened after Guru Dev died and how the movement started? You can't seem to pass up any chance to diss the Marshy! Are you obsessed or what? Haven't you and Rick done enough damage on this forum already? Is it alright with you if some of us TMers discus our program for just one minute without you two butting in? Just for one minute. No, it's the same account that Marshy related to me at Mother Olsen's. And the same account has been published by Marshy's Uncle Raj Varma. By his own account he sat in Uttar Kashi without any thoughts for two years until he had the thought to go South to Rameshwarum (Sp?) According to Marshy, the thought of going to 'Rameshwarum' was suggested by one of the other sadhus at Uttar Kashi - it was not Marshy's idea. Even there he was innocently goaded into doing lectures. Ever since his first meeting with Guru Dev, there was never a time when the Marshy wasn't giving lectures. Apparently he used to even give lectures in Guru Dev's stead, when Guru Dev was otherwise indisposed. It may be true that Marshy was observing a quiet time at Utta Kashi, but it is difficult to imagine the Marshy not speaking up! Given MMYs delight in telling the story of his meeting Guru Dev, I find the omission of the story of Guru Dev's instructions to be unlikely. I think Dr. Varma was just being creative here. You need to start using some logic, Curtis. The story told by Dr. Varma IS the Marshy's story. How do you think that Raj Varma came up with the story in the first place? Since Dr. Varma was not present at the passing of Guru Dev, obviously Marshy told Raj Varma what had taken place. It is is a fact that there were only three people present at the untimely demise of Brahmananda, one of those being the Marshy himself. I think if Guru Dev had given MMY this direct instruction we would have heard about it from him. Marshy approved of all the stories told by his uncle in the book 'Strange Facts About a Great Saint'. Marshy approved of all the stories told in the Official Biography of Guru Dev: 'The Whole Thing, The Real Thing' by Rameshwar Tilwari Marshy is the approver of all stories told about Guru Dev. Marshy is the approver of all literature connected to the TMO. They are all his stories. So, in this sense, Marshy did tell this very same story. However name 'Mahesh' doesn't appear on any of the Trust's literature and there's no mention of a 'Mahesh Yogi' being in the will as an administrator. If you accept any of the aforementioned scenarios - the poison rumor - the clerk rumor - I just don't see how a clerk is going to be sitting on the bed of a Shankaracharya, or even in the same room with one, for that matter. That is, unless you want to suggest that the Mahesh Yogi was much more than a mere clerk, much more than a secretary, which would contradict the statement by the Swami Swaroopanand in the Kropinsky interview to the effect that Mahesh Yogi was a part-time, low-level, paper pusher of low caste. If so, how did the Mahesh Yogi become so powerful that he could outsmart the Indian press and a whole committee of pundits down in Kashi? Go figure. Read more: 'The Cook Did It!' http://rwilliams.us/archives/shantanand3.htm
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . .
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Due to continuous engagements in preaching and the management of the Jyotishpeeth one thing sill remains to be completed and that is to give a technique to family people, in general so that by sitting and meditating for a few minutes in the morning and in the evening every day, they might enjoy peace and hapiness in their lives you have to do this remaining work, I have given you everything. A son has to complete his father's remaining work after him, so also a disciple completes his guru's remaining work after him. Doesn't this seem to contradict MMY's own account of what happened after Guru Dev died and how the movement started? By his own account he sat in Uttar Kashi without any thoughts for two years until he had the thought to go South to Rameshwarum (Sp?) Even there he was innocently goaded into doing lectures. Given MMYs delight in telling the story of his meeting Guru Dev, I find the omission of the story of Guru Dev's instructions to be unlikely. I think Dr. Varma was just being creative here. I think if Guru Dev had given MMY this direct instruction we would have heard about it from him. Your personal opinions and $5.00 will get you a cup of coffee at Starbucks. Hehe. This curtisblue-fellow abviously missed the point that Maharishi would never, ever tell anyone about personal instructions from Guru Dev
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . .
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Due to continuous engagements in preaching and the management of the Jyotishpeeth one thing sill remains to be completed and that is to give a technique to family people, in general so that by sitting and meditating for a few minutes in the morning and in the evening every day, they might enjoy peace and hapiness in their lives you have to do this remaining work, I have given you everything. A son has to complete his father's remaining work after him, so also a disciple completes his guru's remaining work after him. Doesn't this seem to contradict MMY's own account of what happened after Guru Dev died and how the movement started? Exactly. By his own account he sat in Uttar Kashi without any thoughts for two years until he had the thought to go South to Rameshwarum (Sp?) Even there he was innocently goaded into doing lectures. Perhaps he'd just forgotten the deathbed instructions given to him by the guru he adored. It took him those two years to remember them. :-) Given MMYs delight in telling the story of his meeting Guru Dev, I find the omission of the story of Guru Dev's instructions to be unlikely. Highly unlikely. I think Dr. Varma was just being creative here. I think if Guru Dev had given MMY this direct instruction we would have heard about it from him. At the very least he wouldn't have propagated a story that contradicts it. We'll never know, of course, but to me this is a classic example of Revisionist History written by a sold out disciple trying to enhance the rep of his teacher. It's been happening on planet Earth ever since the first spiritual teacher appeared. Biographers who are trying to write a biography from the point of view of devotion seem to have *no problem* making things up if they feel that the result will inspire others to feel equal waves of devotion to the person they're devoted to. My bet is that this account is one of them. I'd class it at the same level of veracity as the guys on my TTC who said, when we complained about the dyna- miting next door to our hotels, Maharishi has *definitely* been told about the dynamite, and he told me to tell you that you shouldn't mind it. He's working on resolving the problem, but remember that noise is no barrier to med- itation. Then when Maharishi visited a few weeks later, and someone stood up to ask whether there had been any progress on the dynamite issue. Maharishi's response? What dynamite? Turns out the course leaders had never told Maharishi about the problem, and had made up his answer com- pletely. Did they think that they were *lying* when they did this? Probably not. They probably convinced themselves that it was for the good of the course participants. Similarly, I suspect that Dr. Varma decided that giving the impression that Maharishi had received explicit instructions from Guru Dev to do what he had done would give him more caveat or believe- ability in the eyes of the public. But that doesn't make it any less fiction. This story just doesn't hold water. Because if it did, it makes Maharishi out to be a liar, and *his* version of how he came to be teaching a falsehood.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . .
Your personal opinions and $5.00 will get you a cup of coffee at Starbucks. What a weird, unfriendly response to my pointing out a direct contradiction in the source's accounts, MMY's and Dr. Varma. I was soliciting other people's opinions on it. Cliche putdown's are lame. Sharing personal opinions is the heart of a message board like this one. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Due to continuous engagements in preaching and the management of the Jyotishpeeth one thing sill remains to be completed and that is to give a technique to family people, in general so that by sitting and meditating for a few minutes in the morning and in the evening every day, they might enjoy peace and hapiness in their lives you have to do this remaining work, I have given you everything. A son has to complete his father's remaining work after him, so also a disciple completes his guru's remaining work after him. Doesn't this seem to contradict MMY's own account of what happened after Guru Dev died and how the movement started? By his own account he sat in Uttar Kashi without any thoughts for two years until he had the thought to go South to Rameshwarum (Sp?) Even there he was innocently goaded into doing lectures. Given MMYs delight in telling the story of his meeting Guru Dev, I find the omission of the story of Guru Dev's instructions to be unlikely. I think Dr. Varma was just being creative here. I think if Guru Dev had given MMY this direct instruction we would have heard about it from him. Your personal opinions and $5.00 will get you a cup of coffee at Starbucks.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . .
Hehe. This curtisblue-fellow abviously missed the point that Maharishi would never, ever tell anyone about personal instructions from Guru Dev So how did Dr. Varma find out? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Due to continuous engagements in preaching and the management of the Jyotishpeeth one thing sill remains to be completed and that is to give a technique to family people, in general so that by sitting and meditating for a few minutes in the morning and in the evening every day, they might enjoy peace and hapiness in their lives you have to do this remaining work, I have given you everything. A son has to complete his father's remaining work after him, so also a disciple completes his guru's remaining work after him. Doesn't this seem to contradict MMY's own account of what happened after Guru Dev died and how the movement started? By his own account he sat in Uttar Kashi without any thoughts for two years until he had the thought to go South to Rameshwarum (Sp?) Even there he was innocently goaded into doing lectures. Given MMYs delight in telling the story of his meeting Guru Dev, I find the omission of the story of Guru Dev's instructions to be unlikely. I think Dr. Varma was just being creative here. I think if Guru Dev had given MMY this direct instruction we would have heard about it from him. Your personal opinions and $5.00 will get you a cup of coffee at Starbucks. Hehe. This curtisblue-fellow abviously missed the point that Maharishi would never, ever tell anyone about personal instructions from Guru Dev
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Dector: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: As new.morning said so well recently, Some posts just don't deserve a response. Is it any wonder that so few people bother to respond to Judy's posts any more? you sound obsessed.:-) He has a boring obsession for attention... What's really amazing is that he uses the same identical tactics over and over and *over* again, without any success whatsoever. He's been trying for *years*--here and on alt.m.t--to get people to stop responding to me by pretending that so few people bother to respond to Judy's posts any more. Either that, or it's a wish-fulfillment fantasy. If he says so few people are bothering to respond to me, it'll somehow magically happen. And all the while, despite countless vows to ignore me, he can't stop talking about me.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . .
Thanks for the voice of reason in a whirlpool of nuttiness! It is so weird that my post is being taken by some here as if it is a putdown! WTF? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Due to continuous engagements in preaching and the management of the Jyotishpeeth one thing sill remains to be completed and that is to give a technique to family people, in general so that by sitting and meditating for a few minutes in the morning and in the evening every day, they might enjoy peace and hapiness in their lives you have to do this remaining work, I have given you everything. A son has to complete his father's remaining work after him, so also a disciple completes his guru's remaining work after him. Doesn't this seem to contradict MMY's own account of what happened after Guru Dev died and how the movement started? Exactly. By his own account he sat in Uttar Kashi without any thoughts for two years until he had the thought to go South to Rameshwarum (Sp?) Even there he was innocently goaded into doing lectures. Perhaps he'd just forgotten the deathbed instructions given to him by the guru he adored. It took him those two years to remember them. :-) Given MMYs delight in telling the story of his meeting Guru Dev, I find the omission of the story of Guru Dev's instructions to be unlikely. Highly unlikely. I think Dr. Varma was just being creative here. I think if Guru Dev had given MMY this direct instruction we would have heard about it from him. At the very least he wouldn't have propagated a story that contradicts it. We'll never know, of course, but to me this is a classic example of Revisionist History written by a sold out disciple trying to enhance the rep of his teacher. It's been happening on planet Earth ever since the first spiritual teacher appeared. Biographers who are trying to write a biography from the point of view of devotion seem to have *no problem* making things up if they feel that the result will inspire others to feel equal waves of devotion to the person they're devoted to. My bet is that this account is one of them. I'd class it at the same level of veracity as the guys on my TTC who said, when we complained about the dyna- miting next door to our hotels, Maharishi has *definitely* been told about the dynamite, and he told me to tell you that you shouldn't mind it. He's working on resolving the problem, but remember that noise is no barrier to med- itation. Then when Maharishi visited a few weeks later, and someone stood up to ask whether there had been any progress on the dynamite issue. Maharishi's response? What dynamite? Turns out the course leaders had never told Maharishi about the problem, and had made up his answer com- pletely. Did they think that they were *lying* when they did this? Probably not. They probably convinced themselves that it was for the good of the course participants. Similarly, I suspect that Dr. Varma decided that giving the impression that Maharishi had received explicit instructions from Guru Dev to do what he had done would give him more caveat or believe- ability in the eyes of the public. But that doesn't make it any less fiction. This story just doesn't hold water. Because if it did, it makes Maharishi out to be a liar, and *his* version of how he came to be teaching a falsehood.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Dector: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: As new.morning said so well recently, Some posts just don't deserve a response. Is it any wonder that so few people bother to respond to Judy's posts any more? you sound obsessed.:-) He has a boring obsession for attention... What's really amazing is that he uses the same identical tactics over and over and *over* again, without any success whatsoever. He's been trying for *years*--here and on alt.m.t--to get people to stop responding to me by pretending that so few people bother to respond to Judy's posts any more. Either that, or it's a wish-fulfillment fantasy. If he says so few people are bothering to respond to me, it'll somehow magically happen. And all the while, despite countless vows to ignore me, he can't stop talking about me. Must be something nice and clear about you that drives him nuts...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . .
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hehe. This curtisblue-fellow abviously missed the point that Maharishi would never, ever tell anyone about personal instructions from Guru Dev So how did Dr. Varma find out? Maharishi was not the only person in the room
Re: [FairfieldLife] Request to Rick to burn my months posts for Ron Paul
Two things are obvious: socialism doesn't work and neither does capitalism. The latter gets co-opted by the greedy and destroys the middle class. It must go too. off_world_beings wrote: Request to Rick to burn my months posts in order to make posts for Ron Paul this week only. I live as a professor (and carpenter in summer) in Vermont, and I have been against the Republican party for years, and don't like most of the the Dems much either, and though some of you call me a TM TB (although 99.9% of you, even the anti-TM'rs here, are WAY more Ru's than I will ever be), I was only mildly interested in John Hagelin's NLP ) I am not American (jest green card, with legal status to get my US citizenship if I pay the 300 bucks and get a silly photo done). I really can't be bothered to get US citizenship, but hell..so that I could vote for Ron Paul ! that is the only reason I would bother to do it. Just kidding about burning the months posts Rick. Just making a point about Ron Paul. http://youtube.com/watch?v=HA9EHrH7NKQ OffWorld
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . .
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard J. Williams Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 10:37 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . . According to Marshy, the thought of going to 'Rameshwarum' was suggested by one of the other sadhus at Uttar Kashi - it was not Marshy's idea. The way he told the story (many times) was that he kept having the thought to go to Rameswaram, which puzzled him, because he had no intention to leave Uttar Kashi, since the yogis there regarded everything beyond the town limits as a sea of mud. After mentioning this thought to a friend several times over a 6 month period, the friend suggested that he take care of it, meaning go there and get it out of his system. As we know, he never returned.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . .
In a message dated 6/4/2007 11:30:27 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Charlie Lutes said once at a lecture I attended that Maharishi was told by Guru Dev on his death bed that the timing for this knowledge to be shared with the world is now. That Maharishi should not worry about the money-that he would be taken care of. I'm sure this was not the exact words. Anyway, Maharishi sure did take care of his physical insecurities. I believe he owns over 3 billion dollars worth of real estate. AND THEY STILL CAN'T FIX THE LEAK IN THE GOLDEN DOME. Jai Guru Dev. Lsoma. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) , curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Due to continuous engagements in preaching and the management of the Jyotishpeeth one thing sill remains to be completed and that is to give a technique to family people, in general so that by sitting and meditating for a few minutes in the morning and in the evening every day, they might enjoy peace and happiness in their lives you have to do this remaining work, I have given you everything. A son has to complete his father's remaining work after him, so also a disciple completes his guru's remaining work after him. Doesn't this seem to contradict MMY's own account of what happened after Guru Dev died and how the movement started? By his own account he sat in Uttar Kashi without any thoughts for two years until he had the thought to go South to Rameshwarum (Sp?) Even there he was innocently goaded into doing lectures. Given MMYs delight in telling the story of his meeting Guru Dev, I find the omission of the story of Guru Dev's instructions to be unlikely. I think Dr. Varma was just being creative here. I think if Guru Dev had given MMY this direct instruction we would have heard about it from him. Your personal opinions and $5.00 will get you a cup of coffee at Starbucks. ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Dector: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please understand, I do define TB a bit differently. For me a TB is someone who simply is a true believer in the TM technique and or the enlightened status of Mr. Varma. SNIP How about if we *also* believe in every other technique and non- technique, and/or the enlightened status of Mr. fire-hydrant, Mrs. apple-tree, and even You? :-)
[FairfieldLife] 'Lust in his heart?'
Like President Jimmie Carter once said: That he had 'Lust in his heart'..., one time in an interview in 'Playboy' magazine, back, 'In the day'. Anyways, I would just like to remind everyone, that when we dwell on lust and greed, We expose our own selves to what we hold in our mind. Any gossip concerning Maharishi, is: Hereby release, in the Name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, Brahma, Vishnu, Shivaiya, Namah, Om. My Maharishi be released from any of this earthly gossip, Which serves no purpose, except to embarrass and confuse; So,. my this darkness surrounding the TMO, and all those ever involved, with Maharishi and the TMO, Be hereby released of all negative gossip. Amen. - Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Dector: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip . Minding the store has got to be one of the first rules of success. That's sure been my experience. lurk
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . .
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard J. Williams Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 10:37 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . . According to Marshy, the thought of going to 'Rameshwarum' was suggested by one of the other sadhus at Uttar Kashi - it was not Marshy's idea. The way he told the story (many times) was that he kept having the thought to go to Rameswaram, which puzzled him, because he had no intention to leave Uttar Kashi, since the yogis there regarded everything beyond the town limits as a sea of mud. After mentioning this thought to a friend several times over a 6 month period, the friend suggested that he take care of it, meaning go there and get it out of his system. As we know, he never returned. I always enjoyed that story, not because Maharishi said it specifically, but because I have heard of others doing this so often, with interesting results. The most recent example reported on this board being Turq's decision to move to the Spanish coast. Where did that come from?? I'll bet it works out well for him. I recall a time when I was driving from DC to California and took a risk on finding gas in a small town in eastern Colorado, but the gas station was closed by the time I arrived at 10PM and I was in the middle of proverbial nowhere, not enough gas to make it further and find another station. So I parked in the parking lot of the gas station and tried to settle down, hoping to fill my tank in the morning. Settling down didn't work very well because it was winter, and very cold once the engine was off. I was looking out at the street and kept getting the strong feeling to go to a certain house I saw a couple of blocks away and knock on the door and see if they could help. From a standpoint of reason it made absolutely no sense. It was late at night and I had no more chance of success bothering these strangers than any other choice. I was afraid of the many possibilities running through my head. And yet, the thought persisted. So, screwing up my courage, I walked over and knocked on the door. It turns out the head of the family ran operations for a grain silo at the edge of town, and they had a gas pump there for the farm equipment, for which he of all the town's residents, had the key, and the authority to pump gas. I drove my car to the pump with him, got enough to get to Denver, paid him, and was on my way. A perfect example of Maharishi's phrase often repeated, take it easy, take it as it comes. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Dector: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's really amazing is that he uses the same identical tactics over and over and *over* again, without any success whatsoever. Actually, I think he's been *highly* successful -- he got you to bite yet again, didn't he? He's been trying for *years*--here and on alt.m.t--to get people to stop responding to me by pretending that so few people bother to respond to Judy's posts any more. Perhaps it's not really so much about whether or not other people respond to you, but whether or not *you* respond to *him*. Either that, or it's a wish-fulfillment fantasy. If he says so few people are bothering to respond to me, it'll somehow magically happen. And all the while, despite countless vows to ignore me, he can't stop talking about me. And vice versa, like two mirrors reflecting themselves into infinity! So beautiful! Author, author! :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Once again, killing time... : /
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 4, 2007, at 2:55 AM, cardemaister wrote: Why is it, that some sour grapes svaamiis think Patañjali advises people not to practise siddhis? The reason might well be that the Sanskrit skills of many of them are not too good. Instead the shakti remains trapped in ascending nadis which do not culminate in an experience of unity or unification. Thus the student is left in a sort of limbo. To paraphrase our former President Ronnie Ray-Gun: If you've seen one ascending nadi, you've seen 'em all. Or put another way, People in glass houses *should* throw stones-- in the hopes that someone on the outside will throw one back, shattering the glass house. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . .
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your personal opinions and $5.00 will get you a cup of coffee at Starbucks. What a weird, unfriendly response to my pointing out a direct contradiction in the source's accounts, MMY's and Dr. Varma. I was soliciting other people's opinions on it. Cliche putdown's are lame. Seems you don't recognize that your response to the original post was itself a bit unfriendly. It was. I responded in kind. And your apparent 'contradictions' result in nothing more than inconclusive speculation on your part. You really don't *know* the truth of the matter. All I did was offer Dr. Varma's account. And while I'm not surprised at the responses, it was not my intention to generate so much unnecessary noise from critics, who themselves, DON'T REALLY KNOW. Sharing personal opinions is the heart of a message board like this one. Personal opinions are one thing. Know-it-all attitudes are another. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Due to continuous engagements in preaching and the management of the Jyotishpeeth one thing sill remains to be completed and that is to give a technique to family people, in general so that by sitting and meditating for a few minutes in the morning and in the evening every day, they might enjoy peace and hapiness in their lives you have to do this remaining work, I have given you everything. A son has to complete his father's remaining work after him, so also a disciple completes his guru's remaining work after him. Doesn't this seem to contradict MMY's own account of what happened after Guru Dev died and how the movement started? By his own account he sat in Uttar Kashi without any thoughts for two years until he had the thought to go South to Rameshwarum (Sp?) Even there he was innocently goaded into doing lectures. Given MMYs delight in telling the story of his meeting Guru Dev, I find the omission of the story of Guru Dev's instructions to be unlikely. I think Dr. Varma was just being creative here. I think if Guru Dev had given MMY this direct instruction we would have heard about it from him. Your personal opinions and $5.00 will get you a cup of coffee at Starbucks.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Dector: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: What's really amazing is that he uses the same identical tactics over and over and *over* again, without any success whatsoever. Actually, I think he's been *highly* successful -- he got you to bite yet again, didn't he? I don't think you're reading what I'm writing, Rory. Try again: He's been trying for *years*--here and on alt.m.t--to get people to stop responding to me by pretending that so few people bother to respond to Judy's posts any more. Perhaps it's not really so much about whether or not other people respond to you, but whether or not *you* respond to *him*. Rory, with all due respect, you're not exactly tuned in here. Either that, or it's a wish-fulfillment fantasy. If he says so few people are bothering to respond to me, it'll somehow magically happen. And all the while, despite countless vows to ignore me, he can't stop talking about me. And vice versa, like two mirrors reflecting themselves into infinity! Well, no, not vice versa like two mirrors etc. I've never said I was going to ignore Barry, to the contrary. He *wishes* I would ignore him. Desperately. But I don't care in the slightest if he ignores me; I'll continue to comment on his sophistry as I see fit. So beautiful! Author, author! :-) Wrong play, sorry.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . .
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard J. Williams Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 10:37 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . . According to Marshy, the thought of going to 'Rameshwarum' was suggested by one of the other sadhus at Uttar Kashi - it was not Marshy's idea. The way he told the story (many times) was that he kept having the thought to go to Rameswaram, which puzzled him, because he had no intention to leave Uttar Kashi, since the yogis there regarded everything beyond the town limits as a sea of mud. After mentioning this thought to a friend several times over a 6 month period, the friend suggested that he take care of it, meaning go there and get it out of his system. As we know, he never returned. there's a PhD dissertation on the history of the tm mov't that's online (and I don't remember where I put the link) that states that MMY accompanied an aunt to the south of india on that first trip to rameswaram. the guy seems to have done his research and came up with that fact, which means a whole mythology about the inspiration for that trip may have come up after the fact. has anyone else heard about MMY taking a family member with him to rameswaram.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . .
boo wrote: ...there's a PhD dissertation on the history of the tm mov't... After about one year of ascetic seclusion at Uttarkashi, in a place called valley of the saints, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi accompanied his ailing aunt from Calcutta to a medical facility at Madanapalle in the southern state of Andhra Pradesh. By his own admission, he was responding not only to the request of his relative but more directly to an irrepressible impulse to go south and visit the temples of pilgrimage at Kanchi, Rameshwaram, and Kanya Kumari. Sometime in June or July of 1954, he acquired his first students at Madanapalle and initiated them into transcendental meditation. According to T. Rama Rao, perhaps the very first initiate, the technique of meditation and its instruction was exactly the same as it is taught today by TM teachers throughout the world. Source: 'Text and Context in the Communication of a Social Movement's Charisma, Ideology, and Consciousness: TM for India and the West' By Jay Randolph Coplin, Ph.D. http://members.aol.com/drcoplin/SRMemergence.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Beatles-mantra?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.axebcww.com/main.php?loc=us Watch the Video Oh blimey! :]
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . .
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your personal opinions and $5.00 will get you a cup of coffee at Starbucks. Cheapo-depo!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . .
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boo_lives [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip there's a PhD dissertation on the history of the tm mov't that's online (and I don't remember where I put the link) that states that MMY accompanied an aunt to the south of india on that first trip to rameswaram. the guy seems to have done his research and came up with that fact, which means a whole mythology about the inspiration for that trip may have come up after the fact. has anyone else heard about MMY taking a family member with him to rameswaram. No, the mythology is right there in the dissertation, along with the ailing aunt. From the dissertation by Jay Randolph Coplin: After about one year of ascetic seclusion at Uttarkashi, in a place called valley of the saints, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi accompanied his ailing aunt from Calcutta to a medical facility at Madanapalle in the southern state of Andhra Pradesh. By his own admission, he was responding not only to the request of his relative but more directly to an irrepressible impulse to go south and visit the temples of pilgrimage at Kanchi, Rameshwaram, and Kanya Kumari. http://members.aol.com/drcoplin/SRMemergence.html So he apparently dropped her off at Madanapalle and continued south.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Dector: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's really amazing is that he uses the same identical tactics over and over and *over* again, without any success whatsoever. Rory Goff wrote: Actually, I think he's been *highly* successful -- he got you to bite yet again, didn't he? authfriend jstein@ wrote: I don't think you're reading what I'm writing, Rory. Try again: He's been trying for *years*--here and on alt.m.t--to get people to stop responding to me by pretending that so few people bother to respond to Judy's posts any more. *lol* Yes, it reads exactly the same the second time around. Funny about that! I (still) understand what you think he wants; you believe he's unsuccessfully trying to get people to ignore you. You may be right; I don't know. Now, do *you* understand what *I* suggested? Instead of merely repeating it, I will try rephrasing (see below). Perhaps it's not really so much about whether or not other people respond to you, but whether or not *you* respond to *him*. Rory, with all due respect, you're not exactly tuned in here. You're right! I'm not tuned in to agree completely with what *you* are saying. It's not that I didn't understand it; I was offering a different look at it. To rephrase: I am suggesting that what Barry *says* he wants, and what he *really* wants, may not be the same thing. He *says* he wants people to ignore you; what he may really want, is to continue to engage you, to nip you -- to do whatever it takes to irritate and get a rise out of you, virtually regardless of the seeming content of his posts. If so, I'd say his tactics appear to be working beautifully, and have been *for years*. N'est-ce pas? Either that, or it's a wish-fulfillment fantasy. If he says so few people are bothering to respond to me, it'll somehow magically happen. And all the while, despite countless vows to ignore me, he can't stop talking about me. And vice versa, like two mirrors reflecting themselves into infinity! Well, no, not vice versa like two mirrors etc. I've never said I was going to ignore Barry, to the contrary. No, you're right, and that wasn't my point -- it was simply that you both *continue to pay attention to each other* -- to resonate on the same frequency, more or less, he-said, she-said, into infinity. That's all. That's all that's required. It really *is* quite beautiful. He *wishes* I would ignore him. Desperately. Maybe. Maybe a part of him does, and a part of him doesn't. How can we really know? But I don't care in the slightest if he ignores me; I'll continue to comment on his sophistry as I see fit. As well you should! What good is one hand clapping? So beautiful! Author, author! :-) Wrong play, sorry. Apologies accepted :-)
[FairfieldLife] Invincibility
Invincibility - an Absolute by Dr Geoffrey Clements TM News, UKTranslate This Article 4 June 2007 Maharishi's programme to bring Invincibility to every nation reveals some profound principles of nature's functioning. Although the word 'invincibility' is not always applied in describing systems in nature, it is found as a principle and as a phenomenon everywhere. In the early twentieth century, the founding fathers of quantum physics grappled with the new phenomena they were discovering. Earlier it had been held, for example, that atoms were indivisible units of Natureindeed, this is the origin of the word 'atom.' Experiments then revealed that the atom actually consists of two major components; a nucleus (first thought to be itself indivisible, and later found to have its own component parts), and the electrons, which performed some sort of motion around the central nucleus. But there was a problem: a rotating body with an electric chargethe electronwill lose its energy, by emitting energy. This was the principle underlying classical electromagnetism. Yet this clearly does not happen. The motion is sustained, and the energy is constant. The old classical principle was 'a rotating electric charge will lose energy.' A new principle, not yet understood, was enunciated: 'an electron, in its rotation around the nucleus, does not lose energy.' The theoretical understanding for this was later developed as quantum mechanics unfolded. The motion of an electron around the nucleus is described not as a classical orbit (like the orbits of the planets around the sun), but by 'orbitals', a newly defined type of motion. Orbitals were described through the concept of the wave function, which is used in quantum mechanics to describe the state of an object. This example illustrates the discovery of levels of non-change and immutability underlying change in Nature. Atoms interact with each other in a systematic and non-changing manner as a result of the immutability of the states that we know as orbitals. Parallel phenomena are found everywhere in nature, and this has helped in defining the scientific understanding of invincibility. In each case it is found that a layer of change is founded on a deeper levela level of non-change. This principle is depicted in a series of charts from Maharishi Vedic University. In this series, each chart considers a discipline of modern science, and in every case it can be seen that true invincibility exists only at the deepest levelwhich can be equated with the Unified Field of all the laws of nature. At other, more expressed levels, there may be some level of immutability, but not full invincibility. This principle is the basis for Maharishi's programme to create invincibility for every nation. The examples from modern science teach us the following: invincibility cannot be realised without taking recourse to the absolute unchanging field of pure existence. Invincibility cannot be created by force. This is why all attempts to create immunity from attack by military force, treaties, or other means have foundered. Not even the most powerful nation can defend itself, and furthermore, the very act of using force itself creates enemies. In contrast, Maharishi's scientifically based programme for creating an invincible nation is also a programme to create peace. The principles of invincibility found in the various scientific disciplines demonstrate that invincibility is also a state of integration, unity, and peace. Invincibility is absolute. Through implementing Maharishi's programme for true Invincibility, we can also bring the other absolute qualities of peace, stability, and harmony to every nation and the world. Copyright © TM News UK; www.tmnews.net.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . .
jstein wrote: So he apparently dropped her off at Madanapalle and continued south. Maybe so, but I think Marshy got the idea to actually go to the South from the other sadhu - before that it was just a thought. The other sadhu actually gave Marshy the impetus to go. According to Robert Hollings, One day, while meditating, Maharishi had the thought that he should go to a certain village in India. He had no idea why he should go there, and at first he just ignored it. However, the thought persisted, and eventually he decided to mention it to his companion. Apparently, this same thought kept coming to Maharishi over quite a long period. The first time that he mentioned it, the other replied that it was just a meaningless thought, and it would pass. However, it did not pass, and although Maharishi hesitated to bring it up again, he eventually did so. When this had occured several times, the companion eventually said that Maharishi had better go to this village, and then he would see that there was nothing there and could come back to meditate in peace (Hollings, 1982). This is holy ground, his companion said. All the rest is just mud. Work Cited: 'Transcendental Meditation' An Introduction to the practice and aims of TM by Robert Hollings The Aquarian Press, 1982 ISBN 0-85030-240-4 p. 82 - 83 Read more: Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental From: willytex Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 Subject: Holy Ground http://tinyurl.com/33efq5
[FairfieldLife] Smallpox back in India?
Smallpox killed 300 million people in the 20th Century alone, three times the number killed in 20th Century wars ** Today's Times of India: Smallpox alert in northeast 4 Jun, 2007 l 1335 hrs ISTlIANS AGARTALA: The central government has sounded a health alert in India's northeast asking authorities to take immediate precautionary measures following reports of a smallpox outbreak in Bangladesh and Myanmar, officials said Monday. Following the Centre's instruction, the Tripura government has made arrangements for free consultation and health checkups in all the districts and sub-divisions, especially those along the bordering areas, Tripura's Health Director Jagannath Muhuri said. A large number of patients from Bangladesh have been taking medical treatment in various hospitals in Tripura. We are taking extra precautionary measures in areas where we found patients coming from Bangladesh, the health director told journalists. The fatal smallpox has been reported in Rajshahi and Mymensingh districts of Bangladesh and Myanmar. The World Health Organisation (WHO) has sent expert medical teams to the two countries and asked all neighbouring countries to take precautionary measures to prevent the spread of the disease. Newspaper reports said the West Bengal government also alerted its health officials about possible outbreak of the disease, which according to WHO was eradicated in 1984. We have also instructed doctors and health workers to take necessary help from the Border Security Force (BSF) and Assam Rifles as and when required, Muhuri added. He also urged the people to be careful about any person crossing over to India from neighbouring Bangladesh with symptoms of smallpox - like fever and rashes - and requested them to report to the health centre immediately. The official said the Indian High Commission in Dhaka had informed the external affairs ministry about the spread of smallpox in Bangladesh and Myanmar last week. India shares a 4,095 km long border with Bangladesh, of which Tripura accounts for about 856 km.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Dector: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: What's really amazing is that he uses the same identical tactics over and over and *over* again, without any success whatsoever. Rory Goff wrote: Actually, I think he's been *highly* successful -- he got you to bite yet again, didn't he? authfriend jstein@ wrote: I don't think you're reading what I'm writing, Rory. Try again: He's been trying for *years*--here and on alt.m.t--to get people to stop responding to me by pretending that so few people bother to respond to Judy's posts any more. *lol* Yes, it reads exactly the same the second time around. Funny about that! I (still) understand what you think he wants; you believe he's unsuccessfully trying to get people to ignore you. You may be right; I don't know. Now, do *you* understand what *I* suggested? Instead of merely repeating it, I will try rephrasing (see below). Perhaps it's not really so much about whether or not other people respond to you, but whether or not *you* respond to *him*. Rory, with all due respect, you're not exactly tuned in here. You're right! I'm not tuned in to agree completely with what *you* are saying. It's not that I didn't understand it; I was offering a different look at it. To rephrase: I am suggesting that what Barry *says* he wants, and what he *really* wants, may not be the same thing. He *says* he wants people to ignore you; what he may really want, is to continue to engage you, to nip you -- to do whatever it takes to irritate and get a rise out of you, virtually regardless of the seeming content of his posts. If so, I'd say his tactics appear to be working beautifully, and have been *for years*. N'est-ce pas? If so, yes, but it's not so. You've got what he says wrong, which is why I said you weren't tuned in. What you got *right* is that what he says he wants isn't what he wants. And what he says is contradictory. So it's no wonder you haven't quite been following it all. On the one hand, he says people shouldn't respond to me. This part is actually true; he wishes people wouldn't respond to me. On the other hand, he *also* says explicitly (this is the part you're missing) that he wants me to respond to what he calls his button-pushing. This is the part that *isn't* true. It's designed to embarrass me into not commenting on his posts. Seriously, now. If you were Barry, would you want me to comment on your posts? Of course, on other occasions he also professes great frustration at my trashing his posts. That's another one that's actually true. When you've been exposed to Barry over a long period, you catch on to the pattern, because it's repeated over and over. The only way he knows how to deal with people is to try to manipulate them. That has never worked with me. But he really has no idea how to do anything *else*, so he just keeps doing the same things.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . .
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boo_lives boo_lives@ wrote: snip there's a PhD dissertation on the history of the tm mov't that's online (and I don't remember where I put the link) that states that MMY accompanied an aunt to the south of india on that first trip to rameswaram. the guy seems to have done his research and came up with that fact, which means a whole mythology about the inspiration for that trip may have come up after the fact. has anyone else heard about MMY taking a family member with him to rameswaram. No, the mythology is right there in the dissertation, along with the ailing aunt. From the dissertation by Jay Randolph Coplin: After about one year of ascetic seclusion at Uttarkashi, in a place called valley of the saints, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi accompanied his ailing aunt from Calcutta to a medical facility at Madanapalle in the southern state of Andhra Pradesh. By his own admission, he was responding not only to the request of his relative but more directly to an irrepressible impulse to go south and visit the temples of pilgrimage at Kanchi, Rameshwaram, and Kanya Kumari. http://members.aol.com/drcoplin/SRMemergence.html So he apparently dropped her off at Madanapalle and continued south. And came back. He was all in all in Madanapalle 2-4 month, not continously, but in at least two intervalls. I think I have narrated here the story, that I met a man, now 83 or so, who met and was initiated by Maharishi there. He also mentioned that the Maharaja of Cochin was Maharishis devotee. There is a building there called Maharishi Mandir. I made photos of it, if you want i can upload them. Narayan Ayer still met Maharishi in 1984 when he was last in India. Madanapalle is slightely higher than Bangalore and therefore cooler. At the time Maharishi was there it had a population of 10.000 people, now it must be 100 or 200.000. Madanapalle is known for its hospitals for treating tuberculosis. Nowadays its about 1 1/2 hours from Bangalore by car, and 4 hours from Madras. Narayan Ayer also told a story were M. initiated about 200 people after he returned the last time, still before going o the west. He also took planes within India already. Kanya Kumari, apart from being an important shakti peetha, is also the place where Vivekananda had his vision of rejuvanating the Swami order and going to the west. There is a Vivekanada island there. The story is well known and Maharishi must have been inspired by it. Narayan Ayer mentioned Vivekananda and how Maharsihi was wondering if his white dress (instead of the Swami orange) would make him accepted in the west.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Request to Rick to burn my months posts for Ron Paul
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: Paul doesn't want to cut taxes -- he wants to TOTALLY eliminate income taxes. And to do that, he would cut government spending by a third. Given that entitlements and debt service take up a large portion of the budget, this means most discretionary funding would be cut. Like for education, energy policy, expanded health care, science resarch, etc. Are you and others who like Paul really behind these ideas? Are you in favor of such policies? Incorrect. If you actually listen to his reasoning you will see that his policy would actually INCREASE money available for education, energy policy, health care, science research, etc.by FAR !!! This is his WHOLE POINT ! It is a rational approach. But you are right, most people in the country probably are not smart enough to understand this reasoning. OffWorld OK, I will read more. I have seen 2-3 of his speeches and read a lot of his congressional and campaign websights. They are kind of sparse on his range of proposed policies. I one speech I heard today, he said that government spending would have to be radically reduced. That we could not depend on government for many of the things we do now. I perhaps incorrectly inferred that this was education, health, energy, etc. No, you weren't incorrect. I reproduced for off_world where he stands on many of these issues and, if anything, your 30% figure for reducing government wasn't enough: I produced a quote from him that indicated 60%. Be clear: this man is beyond being a libertarian: he is an anarcho- capitalist. And although he hasn't said it explicitly, if you read between the lines, he doesn't believe in global warming. Wrong. You are the radical one Shemp, a warmongering aggressive little man that knows nothing of how the world works. You and Bush...Hence the mess in Iraq that you supported, which was EXTREMISM at its worst. Ron Pail was against it. And you are wrong about the financial aspect. Military spending is 50% of government's spending budget (take out Social Security from the pie chart because it is a trust fund previously paid by the people - like putting money in the bank - it does not belong to the government). Ron Paul would not be a warmonger and would save the county trillions of dollars for health care, education, science research etc. You know nothing about Ron Paul and have produced nothing of radical note about him. He is a middle of the road, fiscally conservative, pacifist, CONSTITUTIONALIST. You are the radical Shemp, not him. People don't listen to the anarchist Shemp about Ron Paul. Just look at Ron Paul's voting record, very consistent, and clear. That is who he is - a true consitutionalist, pacifist, modelling his policies on those of the founding fathers and the original Republican ideals. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Dector: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The only way he knows how to deal with people is to try to manipulate them. That has never worked with me. Uh-huh. Who has just been suckered into making 27 of her 35 posts for the week in only slightly over 24 hours? Who is going to waste at least one and probably more posts answering this one, all the while claiming that she's not being manipulated? :-) And all because you felt the need to trash Vaj. All he had to do was keep replying, and you took yourself out of the game. After you've done not being manipulated by this post, you'll be sitting in the penalty box for the rest of the week, still never having been manipulated. THAT was one of Rory's points, the one you missed.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Dector: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: The only way he knows how to deal with people is to try to manipulate them. That has never worked with me. Uh-huh. Who has just been suckered into making 27 of her 35 posts for the week in only slightly over 24 hours? Who is going to waste at least one and probably more posts answering this one, all the while claiming that she's not being manipulated? :-) And all because you felt the need to trash Vaj. All he had to do was keep replying, and you took yourself out of the game. After you've done not being manipulated by this post, you'll be sitting in the penalty box for the rest of the week, still never having been manipulated. This is fun. NOW you have to figure out what my manipulation is THIS time. :-) Am I trying to goad you into replying a bunch more times so that you foul out, OR am I sneakily trying to get you to shut up, and conserve your last 8 posts? Oh, the quandary. Oh, the anguish. Do you begin to see the drawbacks of having to compulsively reply to protect the small s self? :-) Over and out. You deal with it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Dector: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: The only way he knows how to deal with people is to try to manipulate them. That has never worked with me. Uh-huh. Who has just been suckered into making 27 of her 35 posts for the week in only slightly over 24 hours? Who is going to waste at least one and probably more posts answering this one, all the while claiming that she's not being manipulated? :-) And all because you felt the need to trash Vaj. All he had to do was keep replying, and you took yourself out of the game. After you've done not being manipulated by this post, you'll be sitting in the penalty box for the rest of the week, still never having been manipulated. THAT was one of Rory's points, the one you missed. Looks like she got you that time. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Dector: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: The only way he knows how to deal with people is to try to manipulate them. That has never worked with me. Uh-huh. Who has just been suckered into making 27 of her 35 posts for the week in only slightly over 24 hours? Who is going to waste at least one and probably more posts answering this one, all the while claiming that she's not being manipulated? :-) And all because you felt the need to trash Vaj. All he had to do was keep replying, and you took yourself out of the game. After you've done not being manipulated by this post, you'll be sitting in the penalty box for the rest of the week, still never having been manipulated. THAT was one of Rory's points, the one you missed. Looks like she got you that time. :-) One way to deal with paranoids is to pander to their fantasies. :-) Or, saying it another way, one way to deal with humans who have come to believe that their ego is real is to pander to that ego *as if* it were real...support its fantasies...and allow the fantasies to lead the human into suffering...which will eventually lead it to liberation. If you'd spent more time with a hands on teacher, you'd recognize the technique. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Dector: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If so, yes, but it's not so. You've got what he says wrong, which is why I said you weren't tuned in. What you got *right* is that what he says he wants isn't what he wants. And what he says is contradictory. So it's no wonder you haven't quite been following it all. On the one hand, he says people shouldn't respond to me. This part is actually true; he wishes people wouldn't respond to me. Yes, I think he is probably honestly expressing a part of himself there. On the other hand, he *also* says explicitly (this is the part you're missing) that he wants me to respond to what he calls his button-pushing. Yes, you're quite right; I do recall his explicitly having said this in the past. However, I think it's quite possible he has (in part) also been telling the truth here. In fact, I think it's likely he has *always* been partly telling the truth, and partly lying, as he most likely consists of numerous particles who aren't always in agreement, as I think he's also said. This does not make him particularly *spiritual* of course -- just in recognition of his own brilliantly Eclectic multidimensionality (if you like him) or horrendously slimy lack of integrity (if you don't like him). :-) Personally, I've found that this awareness of all-the-varied- particles has been a *huge* step toward actually *gaining* integrity, particularly when I've *stopped* denying them/mindlessly identifying with them and started truly Witnessing them, paying detached/loving attention to them, hearing them and allowing them to hear Me, so that we may come together into a physical synthesis that allows all our goals to be met -- truly allows us to sing together and manifest our shared paradise. This is the part that *isn't* true. It's designed to embarrass me into not commenting on his posts. Could be; I don't really know. Getting you to feel embarassed, I can see, because I've been there (see below). But to embarass you into not commenting? Maybe so, maybe not. How can we really know? It would seem you are making him out to be a *total moron* if his true motive has been only to shut you up, since obviously, as you point out, this tactic hasn't even remotely worked in God-knows-how-many years. Now I *do* know that parts of us (or parts of me, anyway) indeed appear to be essentially moronic, unthinking, repetitive habit- patterns that continually fail to accomplish the stated motives of the larger self. But I've found on closer look that these habit- patterns are usually sustained because they *are* accomplishing their own goals as best they might; they're actually quite content with the status quo, and/or are afraid of what the alternative(s) might bring them. So that's my hypothesis here: that on the level of the patterns doing the interacting, both you and Barry *are* quite content with the status quo. The fact that this status quo hasn't changed in so many years tends to support my hypothesis. In other words, it's what IS, so it must be Perfect! :-) You yourself showed me this, when I was trying to help you into seeing your own enlightenment: we don't really need help, we just need to be appreciated where we are. Well, now I *do* appreciate where you are, very much, because *you* do, and you showed me that; you showed me your infinite beauty as You ARE. I was just commenting that I see the same infinite beauty between you and Barry as It IS, but if your bliss consists in not acknowledging that, then that's also infinitely beautiful as It IS, and I am content with that. Either way, I bow down to your infinite resplendent beauty. Seriously, now. If you were Barry, would you want me to comment on your posts? *lol* You're funny! But honestly, how would I know what Barry really wants? All I can see is what he shows me about myself, the stories and patterns we awaken between Us; In himself he is (as far as I can see) Nothing/Everything/Pure Radiant ISness, just like everything and everyone else. As he himself has pointed out, the very act of being attended to, of having a number of minds read one's posting, can be quite a rush, quite addicting in itself. I wouldn't at all be surprised if *that* was what was really behind this lovely dance. I do remember as a kid I *loved* to tease my brothers, to get a rise out of them. Same thing, maybe. Attention, excitement, maybe even a fight! Yay! :-) Years later, my younger brother very kindly lent me his diaries from those years, and I found that I had unconsciously acted out this kind of behavior on my siblings *invariably* right after my Dad had pulled something really kooky, really violent, on us. (He was a brilliant man, very charming, but had serious addictive and id-control issues, rather like a dry drunk -- stemming, perhaps, from temporal-lobe injuries sustained from motorcycle accidents, or maybe not.) Anyhow, even at the
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Dector: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: The only way he knows how to deal with people is to try to manipulate them. That has never worked with me. But he really has no idea how to do anything *else*, so he just keeps doing the same things. Uh-huh. Who has just been suckered into making 27 of her 35 posts for the week in only slightly over 24 hours? Who is going to waste at least one and probably more posts answering this one, all the while claiming that she's not being manipulated? (Says Barry, as he just keeps doing the same things.) Ya just don't get it, Barry. I respond to what *I* want to respond to, whether you want me to or not. As I said to Rory: If he were you, would he want me to respond to his posts? And all because you felt the need to trash Vaj. Actually not. Rather, because Vaj felt the need to respond to my reminder of his earlier lie by lying some more, again and again, compulsively, about his faux-Google search, until he finally got so strung out he became incoherent. All of which served my purposes very well indeed. All he had to do was keep replying, and you took yourself out of the game. After you've done not being manipulated by this post, you'll be sitting in the penalty box for the rest of the week, still never having been manipulated. Um, no, I'll still have seven posts left until I take off again. And the ones I've used were well worth it. Boy, you're obsessed with keeping track of how many posts I make! Why is that, dude? THAT was one of Rory's points, the one you missed. Um, no, I don't think that was one of Rory's points. I think that was one you imagined. What does it say about you, Barry, that you want me to run out of posts? What are you so afraid of? Think carefully before you answer that. You haven't left yourself many options here.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Dector: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: The only way he knows how to deal with people is to try to manipulate them. That has never worked with me. Uh-huh. Who has just been suckered into making 27 of her 35 posts for the week in only slightly over 24 hours? Who is going to waste at least one and probably more posts answering this one, all the while claiming that she's not being manipulated? :-) And all because you felt the need to trash Vaj. All he had to do was keep replying, and you took yourself out of the game. After you've done not being manipulated by this post, you'll be sitting in the penalty box for the rest of the week, still never having been manipulated. THAT was one of Rory's points, the one you missed. Looks like she got you that time. :-) One way to deal with paranoids is to pander to their fantasies. :-) Or, saying it another way, one way to deal with humans who have come to believe that their ego is real is to pander to that ego *as if* it were real...support its fantasies...and allow the fantasies to lead the human into suffering...which will eventually lead it to liberation. If you'd spent more time with a hands on teacher, you'd recognize the technique. :-) Looks like I got you that time. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Dector: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Looks like I got you that time. :-) Looks like You ALL got me! Dang, I LOVE You guys! :-) :-) :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Dector: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda
On Jun 4, 2007, at 7:09 PM, authfriend wrote: And all because you felt the need to trash Vaj. Actually not. Rather, because Vaj felt the need to respond to my reminder of his earlier lie by lying some more, again and again, compulsively, about his faux-Google search, until he finally got so strung out he became incoherent. I pointed out the precise nature of Gratzon's book as it directly relates to 'do nothing, achieve everything', how he conceals the principle with a catchy title and how it links to literally hundreds of web sites. There was nothing more to say once the point was made clear. I'd even go further and say that Mahesh's 'do nothing, achieve everything' sales pitch is one of the more popular new age gimmicks out there. Given my own first hand experience of the same phenom and numerous others on this very list, it's pretty damn clear what a dissembler, manipulator, red herring merchant and liar you really are. Not that I (or many here) were at all surprised. ;-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Dector: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda
On Jun 4, 2007, at 6:28 PM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The only way he knows how to deal with people is to try to manipulate them. That has never worked with me. Uh-huh. Who has just been suckered into making 27 of her 35 posts for the week in only slightly over 24 hours? Who is going to waste at least one and probably more posts answering this one, all the while claiming that she's not being manipulated? Tune in next week as I get Judy to use her posts in record time with the return of my favorite topic: The Effortless Lie III
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Dector: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 4, 2007, at 7:09 PM, authfriend wrote: And all because you felt the need to trash Vaj. Actually not. Rather, because Vaj felt the need to respond to my reminder of his earlier lie by lying some more, again and again, compulsively, about his faux-Google search, until he finally got so strung out he became incoherent. I pointed out the precise nature of Gratzon's book as it directly relates to 'do nothing, achieve everything', how he conceals the principle with a catchy title horselaugh Right, Vaj. The title is The Lazy Way to Success: How to Do Nothing and Accomplish Everything. That sure is a great way to conceal the principle, by putting it in the title of the book. and how it links to literally hundreds of web sites. But none of that has ever been in dispute, of course. Here's the lie Vaj told: if you do a web search for 'Do nothing and accomplish everything' the phrase is usually tied to get rich quick schemes. In fact, virtually every Google hit on the phrase is tied to Gratzon's book, which is not, of course, a get rich quick scheme. What Vaj wanted readers to believe was that there were multiple get-rich-quick schemes--pyramid schemes, Ponzi schemes, multilevel marketing schemes, real estate schemes, etc.--out there being perpetrated by TMers using Do nothing and accomplish everything as the hook. That wasn't true. Vaj knew it wasn't true. Now, the lie having been exposed, in desperation Vaj is trying to pretend Gratzon's book is itself a get-rich-quick scheme. But not only is that not what he said initially, it's not true either. Gratzon's book, as I've already noted, is very much along the create-your-own-reality lines of The Secret, but geared specifically toward business. There are no schemes in it. It's pop psychology/philosophy with mystical overtones. As Vaj knows, I hold no brief for Gratzon's approach. My only point is that it isn't what Vaj claims, a get-rich-quick scheme. Someone might well use the approach to attempt to get rich quickly, but that's quite different from what Vaj wanted readers to think when he made his initial comment. Nor, as Vaj also knows, have I ever suggested TMers have *not* been involved in actual get- rich-quick schemes, either as perpetrators or dupes. That wasn't what I was addressing. But Vaj has knowingly falsely claimed it was my argument, using all kinds of ad hominem: that I didn't know what I was talking about because I was only on the periphery of the movement (I'm not even on the periphery and have said so many times, but that's totally irrelevant to the issue of Vaj's lie), that I was a course reject (completely false), that I have led a sequestered life (laughably false), that I have dissembled and attempted to suppress something-or-other (by that time he was so incoherent I couldn't even be sure what he was accusing me of). None of this was true, not a single word, and Vaj knows it. There was nothing more to say once the point was made clear. I'd even go further and say that Mahesh's 'do nothing, achieve everything' sales pitch is one of the more popular new age gimmicks out there. Of course it is. It's been around practically forever in one form or another. That was never in dispute, Vaj's silly attempts to make it the issue notwithstanding. Given my own first hand experience of the same phenom and numerous others on this very list, it's pretty damn clear what a dissembler, manipulator, red herring merchant and liar you really are. Not that I (or many here) were at all surprised. ;-) In his desperate attempts to confuse the issue so as to cover up the fact of his original lie, Vaj has piled lies on top of lies. And he's still at it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Dector: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda
People are being slaughtered in Darfur, the planet is beginning to roast and the ice-caps melting, some are sleeping on the streets tonight, others are sick with no healthcare, a number of alzheimer's patients are in dreaded fear because they can't remember where they are, who these people are, and even who they are, AIDs is devestating Africa, the bush administation and a good portion of congress continue to lie through their teeth, the education system is in crises, smog chokes many cities, bad stuff keeps popping up in the food supply, 12 million immigrants are in the US illegally -- yet with little prospects back home, terrorists plot and plot, Iraq is a quagmire, the deficit is out of control, medicare is doomed .. the the worst lie, injustice and the thing that needs fixing the most in your heirarchy of things that need fixing is that 2 months ago Vaj slurred a story in which he made a low consequence assertion incorrectly??? !!! YIKES!! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Jun 4, 2007, at 7:09 PM, authfriend wrote: And all because you felt the need to trash Vaj. Actually not. Rather, because Vaj felt the need to respond to my reminder of his earlier lie by lying some more, again and again, compulsively, about his faux-Google search, until he finally got so strung out he became incoherent. I pointed out the precise nature of Gratzon's book as it directly relates to 'do nothing, achieve everything', how he conceals the principle with a catchy title horselaugh Right, Vaj. The title is The Lazy Way to Success: How to Do Nothing and Accomplish Everything. That sure is a great way to conceal the principle, by putting it in the title of the book. and how it links to literally hundreds of web sites. But none of that has ever been in dispute, of course. Here's the lie Vaj told: if you do a web search for 'Do nothing and accomplish everything' the phrase is usually tied to get rich quick schemes. In fact, virtually every Google hit on the phrase is tied to Gratzon's book, which is not, of course, a get rich quick scheme. What Vaj wanted readers to believe was that there were multiple get-rich-quick schemes--pyramid schemes, Ponzi schemes, multilevel marketing schemes, real estate schemes, etc.--out there being perpetrated by TMers using Do nothing and accomplish everything as the hook. That wasn't true. Vaj knew it wasn't true. Now, the lie having been exposed, in desperation Vaj is trying to pretend Gratzon's book is itself a get-rich-quick scheme. But not only is that not what he said initially, it's not true either. Gratzon's book, as I've already noted, is very much along the create-your-own-reality lines of The Secret, but geared specifically toward business. There are no schemes in it. It's pop psychology/philosophy with mystical overtones. As Vaj knows, I hold no brief for Gratzon's approach. My only point is that it isn't what Vaj claims, a get-rich-quick scheme. Someone might well use the approach to attempt to get rich quickly, but that's quite different from what Vaj wanted readers to think when he made his initial comment. Nor, as Vaj also knows, have I ever suggested TMers have *not* been involved in actual get- rich-quick schemes, either as perpetrators or dupes. That wasn't what I was addressing. But Vaj has knowingly falsely claimed it was my argument, using all kinds of ad hominem: that I didn't know what I was talking about because I was only on the periphery of the movement (I'm not even on the periphery and have said so many times, but that's totally irrelevant to the issue of Vaj's lie), that I was a course reject (completely false), that I have led a sequestered life (laughably false), that I have dissembled and attempted to suppress something-or-other (by that time he was so incoherent I couldn't even be sure what he was accusing me of). None of this was true, not a single word, and Vaj knows it. There was nothing more to say once the point was made clear. I'd even go further and say that Mahesh's 'do nothing, achieve everything' sales pitch is one of the more popular new age gimmicks out there. Of course it is. It's been around practically forever in one form or another. That was never in dispute, Vaj's silly attempts to make it the issue notwithstanding. Given my own first hand experience of the same phenom and numerous others on this very list, it's pretty damn clear what a dissembler, manipulator, red herring merchant and liar you really are. Not that I (or many here) were at all surprised. ;-) In his desperate attempts to confuse the issue so as to cover up the fact of his original lie, Vaj has piled lies on top of lies. And he's still at it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Dector: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Jun 4, 2007, at 7:09 PM, authfriend wrote: And all because you felt the need to trash Vaj. Actually not. Rather, because Vaj felt the need to respond to my reminder of his earlier lie by lying some more, again and again, compulsively, about his faux-Google search, until he finally got so strung out he became incoherent. I pointed out the precise nature of Gratzon's book as it directly relates to 'do nothing, achieve everything', how he conceals the principle with a catchy title horselaugh Right, Vaj. The title is The Lazy Way to Success: How to Do Nothing and Accomplish Everything. That sure is a great way to conceal the principle, by putting it in the title of the book. and how it links to literally hundreds of web sites. But none of that has ever been in dispute, of course. Here's the lie Vaj told: if you do a web search for 'Do nothing and accomplish everything' the phrase is usually tied to get rich quick schemes. In fact, virtually every Google hit on the phrase is tied to Gratzon's book, which is not, of course, a get rich quick scheme. What Vaj wanted readers to believe was that there were multiple get-rich-quick schemes--pyramid schemes, Ponzi schemes, multilevel marketing schemes, real estate schemes, etc.--out there being perpetrated by TMers using Do nothing and accomplish everything as the hook. That wasn't true. Vaj knew it wasn't true. Now, the lie having been exposed, in desperation Vaj is trying to pretend Gratzon's book is itself a get-rich-quick scheme. But not only is that not what he said initially, it's not true either. Gratzon's book, as I've already noted, is very much along the create-your-own-reality lines of The Secret, but geared specifically toward business. There are no schemes in it. It's pop psychology/philosophy with mystical overtones. As Vaj knows, I hold no brief for Gratzon's approach. My only point is that it isn't what Vaj claims, a get-rich-quick scheme. Someone might well use the approach to attempt to get rich quickly, but that's quite different from what Vaj wanted readers to think when he made his initial comment. Nor, as Vaj also knows, have I ever suggested TMers have *not* been involved in actual get- rich-quick schemes, either as perpetrators or dupes. That wasn't what I was addressing. But Vaj has knowingly falsely claimed it was my argument, using all kinds of ad hominem: that I didn't know what I was talking about because I was only on the periphery of the movement (I'm not even on the periphery and have said so many times, but that's totally irrelevant to the issue of Vaj's lie), that I was a course reject (completely false), that I have led a sequestered life (laughably false), that I have dissembled and attempted to suppress something-or-other (by that time he was so incoherent I couldn't even be sure what he was accusing me of). None of this was true, not a single word, and Vaj knows it. There was nothing more to say once the point was made clear. I'd even go further and say that Mahesh's 'do nothing, achieve everything' sales pitch is one of the more popular new age gimmicks out there. Of course it is. It's been around practically forever in one form or another. That was never in dispute, Vaj's silly attempts to make it the issue notwithstanding. Given my own first hand experience of the same phenom and numerous others on this very list, it's pretty damn clear what a dissembler, manipulator, red herring merchant and liar you really are. Not that I (or many here) were at all surprised. ;-) In his desperate attempts to confuse the issue so as to cover up the fact of his original lie, Vaj has piled lies on top of lies. And he's still at it. I am beginning to think that Vaj means House of Cards in Tibetanese.:-)
[FairfieldLife] Once again, killing time.
Vaj writes:snipped The basic reason often given is that cultivation of siddhis thru samyama causes one to become vyuthana or outward and attached to the outer world. Tom T The Sutras of Patanjali are a description not a prescription as so many have supposed. Read them after thirty years of practice and recognize how much of what is presented is now your day to day experience. Tom T
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Dector: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: People are being slaughtered in Darfur, the planet is beginning to roast and the ice-caps melting, some are sleeping on the streets tonight, others are sick with no healthcare, a number of alzheimer's patients are in dreaded fear because they can't remember where they are, who these people are, and even who they are, AIDs is devestating Africa, the bush administation and a good portion of congress continue to lie through their teeth, the education system is in crises, smog chokes many cities, bad stuff keeps popping up in the food supply, 12 million immigrants are in the US illegally -- yet with little prospects back home, terrorists plot and plot, Iraq is a quagmire, the deficit is out of control, medicare is doomed .. the the worst lie, injustice and the thing that needs fixing the most in your heirarchy of things that need fixing is that 2 months ago Vaj slurred a story in which he made a low consequence assertion incorrectly??? !!! YIKES!! And you are hanging on every word it appears, drawing conclusions, leaping to logical inferences, making comparisons, perhaps even coming to judgment? Which one is attached to this pile of sentences, in lieu of agonizing over the world's ills? :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Dector: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: People are being slaughtered in Darfur, the planet is beginning to roast and the ice-caps melting, some are sleeping on the streets tonight, others are sick with no healthcare, a number of alzheimer's patients are in dreaded fear because they can't remember where they are, who these people are, and even who they are, AIDs is devestating Africa, the bush administation and a good portion of congress continue to lie through their teeth, the education system is in crises, smog chokes many cities, bad stuff keeps popping up in the food supply, 12 million immigrants are in the US illegally -- yet with little prospects back home, terrorists plot and plot, Iraq is a quagmire, the deficit is out of control, medicare is doomed .. the the worst lie, injustice and the thing that needs fixing the most in your heirarchy of things that need fixing is that 2 months ago Vaj slurred a story in which he made a low consequence assertion incorrectly??? !!! YIKES!! And you are hanging on every word it appears, drawing conclusions, leaping to logical inferences, making comparisons, perhaps even coming to judgment? Which one is attached to this pile of sentences, in lieu of agonizing over the world's ills? :-) If your statement made much sense, and had at least a bare thin thread of relevance or accuracy to me, I might try to respond. Sadly ... :)
[FairfieldLife] Hierarchy of Things Needing Fixing
Judy, I have been inpsired, admittedly with a bit of bewildermnet, at your recent clarion call (as I understood it) to correct all lies on FFL, and hopefully beyond. And since injustice is a type of lie, or often a result of lies, I asssumed (perhaps incorrectly) that your valiant fight was also aimed at such broader targets in need of fixing. And when I cautioned that we must pick our battles, we can't possibly fight them all, you, as a valiant warrior of truth and justice (in my eyes) threw such assertions to the ground, stomped on them as dirt, and suggested (as I understood it) that we must fight all the battles, on every front. Inspiring, yes. Doable -- well, perhaps. I said, more power to you. However, with a daily dose of lies, untruths distortions and poor logic flamboyantly marching through FFL daily, I have been surprised that you have not fought the good fight on all thee fronts. And further, I thought .. people are being slaughtered in Darfur, the planet is beginning to roast and the ice-caps melting, some are sleeping on the streets tonight, others are sick with no healthcare, a number of alzheimer's patients are in dreaded fear because they can't remember where they are, who these people are, and even who they are, AIDs is devestating Africa, the bush administation and a good portion of congress continue to lie through their teeth, the education system is in crises, smog chokes many cities, bad stuff keeps popping up in the food supply, 12 million immigrants are in the US illegally -- yet with little prospects back home, terrorists plot and plot, Iraq is a quagmire, the deficit is out of control, medicare is doomed .. the the worst lie, injustice and the thing that needs fixing the most in your heirarchy of things that need fixing is that 2 months ago Vaj slurred a story in which he made a low consequence assertion incorrectly??? !!! YIKES!! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Jun 4, 2007, at 7:09 PM, authfriend wrote: And all because you felt the need to trash Vaj. Actually not. Rather, because Vaj felt the need to respond to my reminder of his earlier lie by lying some more, again and again, compulsively, about his faux-Google search, until he finally got so strung out he became incoherent. I pointed out the precise nature of Gratzon's book as it directly relates to 'do nothing, achieve everything', how he conceals the principle with a catchy title horselaugh Right, Vaj. The title is The Lazy Way to Success: How to Do Nothing and Accomplish Everything. That sure is a great way to conceal the principle, by putting it in the title of the book. and how it links to literally hundreds of web sites. But none of that has ever been in dispute, of course. Here's the lie Vaj told: if you do a web search for 'Do nothing and accomplish everything' the phrase is usually tied to get rich quick schemes. In fact, virtually every Google hit on the phrase is tied to Gratzon's book, which is not, of course, a get rich quick scheme. What Vaj wanted readers to believe was that there were multiple get-rich-quick schemes--pyramid schemes, Ponzi schemes, multilevel marketing schemes, real estate schemes, etc.--out there being perpetrated by TMers using Do nothing and accomplish everything as the hook. That wasn't true. Vaj knew it wasn't true. Now, the lie having been exposed, in desperation Vaj is trying to pretend Gratzon's book is itself a get-rich-quick scheme. But not only is that not what he said initially, it's not true either. Gratzon's book, as I've already noted, is very much along the create-your-own-reality lines of The Secret, but geared specifically toward business. There are no schemes in it. It's pop psychology/philosophy with mystical overtones. As Vaj knows, I hold no brief for Gratzon's approach. My only point is that it isn't what Vaj claims, a get-rich-quick scheme. Someone might well use the approach to attempt to get rich quickly, but that's quite different from what Vaj wanted readers to think when he made his initial comment. Nor, as Vaj also knows, have I ever suggested TMers have *not* been involved in actual get- rich-quick schemes, either as perpetrators or dupes. That wasn't what I was addressing. But Vaj has knowingly falsely claimed it was my argument, using all kinds of ad hominem: that I didn't know what I was talking about because I was only on the periphery of the movement (I'm not even on the periphery and have said so many times, but that's totally irrelevant to the issue of Vaj's lie), that I was a course reject (completely false), that I have led a sequestered life (laughably false), that I have dissembled and attempted to suppress something-or-other (by that time he was so incoherent I couldn't even be sure what he was accusing me of). None of this was
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Dector: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: People are being slaughtered in Darfur, the planet is beginning to roast and the ice-caps melting, some are sleeping on the streets tonight, others are sick with no healthcare, a number of alzheimer's patients are in dreaded fear because they can't remember where they are, who these people are, and even who they are, AIDs is devestating Africa, the bush administation and a good portion of congress continue to lie through their teeth, the education system is in crises, smog chokes many cities, bad stuff keeps popping up in the food supply, 12 million immigrants are in the US illegally -- yet with little prospects back home, terrorists plot and plot, Iraq is a quagmire, the deficit is out of control, medicare is doomed .. the the worst lie, injustice and the thing that needs fixing the most in your heirarchy of things that need fixing is that 2 months ago Vaj slurred a story in which he made a low consequence assertion incorrectly??? !!! YIKES!! And you are hanging on every word it appears, drawing conclusions, leaping to logical inferences, making comparisons, perhaps even coming to judgment? Which one is attached to this pile of sentences, in lieu of agonizing over the world's ills? :-) If your statement made much sense, and had at least a bare thin thread of relevance or accuracy to me, I might try to respond. Sadly ... :) Why try to respond?? :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hierarchy of Things Needing Fixing
new morning, please go back and read what I *actually* said, and rephrase your question accordingly. Also please try to apply a bit of logic to it. (If you do this, you may find the question vanishes into the ether.) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Judy, I have been inpsired, admittedly with a bit of bewildermnet, at your recent clarion call (as I understood it) to correct all lies on FFL, and hopefully beyond. And since injustice is a type of lie, or often a result of lies, I asssumed (perhaps incorrectly) that your valiant fight was also aimed at such broader targets in need of fixing. And when I cautioned that we must pick our battles, we can't possibly fight them all, you, as a valiant warrior of truth and justice (in my eyes) threw such assertions to the ground, stomped on them as dirt, and suggested (as I understood it) that we must fight all the battles, on every front. Inspiring, yes. Doable -- well, perhaps. I said, more power to you. However, with a daily dose of lies, untruths distortions and poor logic flamboyantly marching through FFL daily, I have been surprised that you have not fought the good fight on all thee fronts. And further, I thought .. people are being slaughtered in Darfur, the planet is beginning to roast and the ice-caps melting, some are sleeping on the streets tonight, others are sick with no healthcare, a number of alzheimer's patients are in dreaded fear because they can't remember where they are, who these people are, and even who they are, AIDs is devestating Africa, the bush administation and a good portion of congress continue to lie through their teeth, the education system is in crises, smog chokes many cities, bad stuff keeps popping up in the food supply, 12 million immigrants are in the US illegally -- yet with little prospects back home, terrorists plot and plot, Iraq is a quagmire, the deficit is out of control, medicare is doomed .. the the worst lie, injustice and the thing that needs fixing the most in your heirarchy of things that need fixing is that 2 months ago Vaj slurred a story in which he made a low consequence assertion incorrectly??? !!! YIKES!!
