[FairfieldLife] 'BBC Remebers Beatles at their Pinnacle'
Sunday, August 26, 2007BBC Beatles News Last Updated: Saturday, 25 August 2007, 08:22 GMT 09:22 UK Fans remember Beatles 40 years on John Lennon and Paul McCartney with the Maharishi in BangorFans have been recalling their encounters with The Beatles on the 40th anniversary of their visit to Bangor. The Fab Four came to the city in August 1967 to attend a seminar led by their Indian guru Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. But the landmark visit was cut short when they learnt of the death of their manager Brian Epstein from an overdose of sleeping tablets. Bangor was thrown into the spotlight because of Epstein's death and the band's urgent departure from the city. Mr Epstein, who was 32 when he died on 27 August, had been due to travel to Bangor, Gwynedd from London to meet John Lennon, Paul McCartney, Ringo Starr and George Harrison at the seminar. Before leaving Bangor, John Lennon said: Our meditations have given us confidence to stand such a shock. Hundreds of screaming fans greeted the Beatles when their train arrived in Bangor on 25 August. We started giving out flowers to people to put around their necks. They were a happy bunch! We ran out of flowers that day Leonard Jones, Bangor college gardener Mick Jagger and Marianne Faithfull were also on the trip, arranged because the Maharishi, then the leader of the Spiritual Regeneration Movement, was addressing the movement's conference at Bangor's Normal College. In a BBC Radio Wales programme to be broadcast on Monday, fans and historians will remember the significance of their visit and the affect it had on the city. Christina Dunn, who was on the same train as the Beatles that day, said the atmosphere was electric. It was wonderful to be in their presence, she said. It was a part of history, absolutely, and I was a part of it. Leonard Jones, a gardener at the college at the time, said the Beatles presence prompted people to sing, play guitar and meditate in the bushes. We started giving out flowers to people to put around their necks, he said. They were a happy bunch! We ran out of flowers that day. Back in 1967, the Beatles, who had given up touring, were number one in the album charts with their critically-acclaimed Sgt Pepper's album. The Beatles visited Bangor in their Sgt Peppers album hey-day Their classic peace anthem All You Need Is Love was also riding high in the singles charts. So their appearance in Bangor took on a new significance, said music journalist and author Jon Savage. The Beatles hadn't been seen for a while, they'd stopped touring and their success had made them almost God-like, he said. Gone were the mop tops and smart outfits - instead they were turned out in psychedelic fineries. They had everything they could buy by now and were looking for something more, something spiritual. The Beatles in Bangor will be broadcast at 1300 BST on BBC Radio Wales on Monday 27 August. Source: BBCNews - Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bragging about enlightenment? (was comments of post)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When you have something real you hold it precious and don't brag about it, or you're a fool who likes to get pick pocketed or robbed. If you don't know any better you're still a dope. The Jesus was a dope or is it Jesus you're a dope- I am confused
[FairfieldLife] Re: Response to responses to posts
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Who's Tanmay and what does it mean? Tanmay was the spiritual name given to me at the time I took diksha ( initiation) into the path I am on now. The name is given at the time of the diksha ceremony by my Guru in this case. It means meditative calm. Diksha names are either qualities that are already there or will be developed or need to be developed - something like this. In taking sanyas, then again, a new name is given- I am taking sanyas sept 17th, then it is Swami whatever ananda. This is how things work on this path
[FairfieldLife] Either pregnant or not- same with enlightenment
Hello, Regarding bodisattva, I am not the right one to clear the air- will pass on general things from my Guru- enlightenment is the light beyond all lights, the death of all deaths and the life of all life's. Where there is anything other than Being, IS- it is of transcient (relative). Elightenment is described by my Guru and those enlightened in the path here the same- it simply iS, then life flows. If it is any help, he is an interesting way of explaining consciousness- it knows what to do, just like a plant, it has consciousness and knows what to do, it doesn't have to think about it. Tanmay
[FairfieldLife] Is Hell exothermic or endothermic?
An old favorite story reappeared in my Inbox today, so I thought I'd share it here: The following is an actual question given on a University of Washington Chemistry Mid term. Bonus Question: Is Hell exothermic (gives off heat) or endothermic (absorbs heat)? Most of the students wrote proofs of their beliefs using Boyle's Law (gas cools when it expands and heats when it is compressed) or some variant. One student, however, wrote the following: First, we need to know how the mass of Hell is changing in time. So we need to know the rate at which souls are moving into Hell and the rate at which they are leaving. I think that we can safely assume that once a soul gets to Hell, it will not leave. Therefore, no souls are leaving. As for how many souls are entering Hell, let's look at the different religions that exist in the world today. Most of these religions state that if you are not a member of their religion, you will go to Hell. Since there is more than one of these religions and since people do not belong to more than one religion, we can project that all souls go to Hell. With birth and death rates as they are, we can expect the number of souls in Hell to increase exponentially. Now, we look at the rate of change of the volume in Hell because Boyle's Law states that in order for the temperature and pressure in Hell to stay the same, the volume of Hell has to expand proportionately as souls are added. This gives two possibilities: 1. If Hell is expanding at a slower rate than the rate at which souls enter Hell, then the temperature and pres- sure in Hell will increase until all Hell breaks loose. 2. If Hell is expanding at a rate faster than the increase of souls in Hell,then the temperature and pressure will drop until Hell freezes over. So which is it? If we accept the postulate given to me by Teresa during my freshman year that, It will be a cold day in Hell before I sleep with you, and take into account the fact that I slept with her last night, then number two must be true, and thus I am sure that Hell is exothermic and has already frozen over. The corollary of this theory is that since Hell has frozen over, it follows that it is not accepting any more souls and is therefore, extinct, leaving only Heaven, thereby proving the existence of a divine being which explains why, last night, Teresa kept shouting Oh my God. THIS STUDENT RECEIVED AN A+
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth?
Who is running things on earth right now. You and me, Bub. Fact is, nobody has ever run things on Earth. Fact is the more elaborate the government the progressively more force it must use to maintain itself. Fact is that then more checks and balances need to be kept and so it becomes a beurocracy, thus leading to a state of incapacity within time. All today's governments are mere beurocracies. Which is why we remain always free. Because beurocracies cannot think or live. Surprised so many of you hardlining nondualists can't look out and see the within.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Response to responses to posts
-Only a swami could give sannyas. There are five swami families. Which lineage are you going to be? Don't tell me Natha and makea me laugha. developed - something like this. In taking sanyas, then again, a new name is given- I am taking sanyas sept 17th, then it is Swami whatever ananda. This is how things work on this path -Path from where to where? With whom? To what? Are you doing Vipassana? or Shamatha? or Mantravidya? Are you Buddhist, Hindu, or Man-About-Religion? I ask simply because I remember reading about the retreats with her and I know they sit long hours and go through much psychobabble and spiritual tripe. Ever eaten tripe? A little goes a long way. Too much and you will be very hungry. Be very careful who you bind yourself to. Ron. These shravakas who set themselves up as experts have perks and money rewards for their
[FairfieldLife] Re: Response to responses to posts
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well fellas and any women, No matter what gets posted anywhere, there is going to be a big range of reactions and responses. When it comes to certain things like Gurus, there may be a strong reaction. This is probably why there is a barbed wire fence surrounding Maharishi house with 24 hour security and a German sheppard. Bzt. Thank you for playing, but wrong answer. This is the Even though *I* know the truth there are people out there not so fortunate, so they are going to react to hearing the truth with skepticism and anger and possibly even violence answer. In other words, it's the cultist's answer. It's the self importance answer. It's the I'm just telling them the truth, and if they don't react to that truth the way I want them to, it's because they're not evolved enough to see it answer. What I've been trying to communicate to you since you started this evangelize-to-the-poor-downtrodden- TMers-what-it's-like-to-study-with-a-*real*-teacher campaign is that there are other ways of seeing the situation than the way you currently see it. One of them is that you spent decades believing what one teacher told you, without ever questioning the validity of anything he said, and now it appears that you're doing exactly the same thing with another teacher. You seem to feel that this is progress on your part. I'm not sure that everyone here agrees with you. My reason for posting is I am enjoying it. I think some of the posts I have sent have been really profound and different. At least this brings a different variety to this forum, one of a mixture of many other things here. I agree, and you have every right to continue posting these things. Just as I have the right to occasionally point out that you sound a lot like someone who has merely traded one authority figure for another, with no pause in between to practice discrimination. When asked about what *you* believe, you respond with your teacher's words, not your own. When asked specific questions about the practices you perform with Swami G or her credentials or whatever, again you respond *with her words*, as if those words are synonymous with Truth. Not all of us are convinced of the accuracy of the equation: SwamiGsaysIt = Truth What we *are* convinced of by this time is the accuracy of another equation: SwamiGsaysIt = Ron *believes* it is the Truth The two are not the same. I am not for a moment suggesting that you don't firmly believe the things that are being told to you. And I do not for a moment think that you are doing this out of anything other than a sense of inspiration and a desire to share it. I'm merely pointing out something you seem to have missed, that you're acting a lot like a parrot. SwamiG sez this, SwamiG sez that. Who CARES what SwamiG says? What do YOU think about things? That's FAR more interesting to me than anything she has to say. If by chance, these posts help someone then great, weather it is voiced or not, doesn't matter. If one voices that they enjoyed a post and it was helpfull, fine. If one is very upset with my post, well, could happen- no way I am going to appeal to everyone. Even if it is zero, whatever it is, it is ok. Cool, I guess. You're obviously going to continue your evangelistic efforts, no matter what anyone says. Good for you, if it makes you feel like you're doing something valuable. But *as* you continue them, you'll have to forgive me (and others who have spoken up recently) if we point out when you're starting to sound like a fairly naive cultist who is just believing anything that his gooroo tells him to believe. Just as you are providing information on how things are done in your new study, we are occasionally provid- ing *you* with information on how those actions and practices are viewed in other studies and traditions and lineages. Sometimes the things you mention about how Swami G does business just raise big red flags for us, because we've seen those flags raised and dealt with in other traditions. They're dead end practices that lead, over time, to confusion in the students and dependence on the teacher. Fine, I guess, if what you really want to become is confused and dependent on your teacher. But if what you're looking for is freedom, that might not be the path you want to take.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Let God's will be done...but at someone else's expense...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, suziezuzie msilver1951@ wrote: What's your opinion about rich people in the movement who have inherited their money and like the people you describe, never have worked a day in their lives. Oh gawd, I *hate* people like that! Self-hate? :D You're jesting, right? Yes, it was a joke.
[FairfieldLife] 8 more Charlie Lutes audios
http://www.box.net/shared/z5dh8vce26 http://www.box.net/shared/emxrsfx1b3 http://www.box.net/shared/1bc3mf10af http://www.box.net/shared/dxv2qcimkv http://www.box.net/shared/7xjcul2zii http://www.box.net/shared/mi5o1zq39q http://www.box.net/shared/rhmal2y4jn http://www.box.net/shared/i8zchc5zk3
[FairfieldLife] Re: Response to responses to posts
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Only a swami could give sannyas. There are five swami families. Which lineage are you going to be? I think there are 10, not 5- and I think mine will be Giri- my guru is from both puri and Guri for a reason- there were 4 Gurus for my guru in the jorney, 2 were with different linneages- h Giri and puri. My sanyas name has already been chosen but I don't know what is it yet, but you will hear about it. Don't tell me Natha and makea me laugha. developed - something like this. In taking sanyas, then again, a new name is given- I am taking sanyas sept 17th, then it is Swami whatever ananda. This is how things work on this path -Path from where to where? Path is defined over here as the spiritual organization that has the Guru at the head. TM is a path under this definition, my path is under the direction of my Guru- Swami Ganga- Puri Kaliuttamananda-Giri- ( Swami G for short) . Since I think you are mistaken in who you think my Guru is, here is a link http://kundalinisupport.com/swamiji.htm With whom? To what? Are you doing Vipassana? my Guru does send some disciples there, but advises to not take in the philsophical standpoint or Shamatha? or Mantravidya? Are you Buddhist, Hindu, or Man-About-Religion? Jewish I ask simply because I remember reading about the retreats with her and I know they sit long hours and go through much psychobabble and spiritual tripe. as I said , you have the wrong guru, no retreats are held - the meditation is integrated into life, very practical Ever eaten tripe? A little goes a long way. Too much and you will be very hungry. Be very careful who you bind yourself to. Ron. These shravakas who set themselves up as experts have perks and money rewards for their Entrance is donation only, there is even free entrance but if one is planing the free route, doubt there will be a lot of benefits to a closed heart. Ashram is needed, there is none yet, only an acount with $4000 which was collected over 8 years Answers to a second post: TQ:What I've been trying to communicate to you since you started this evangelize-to-the-poor-downtrodden- TMers-what-it's-like-to-study-with-a-*real*-teacher campaign is that there are other ways of seeing the situation than the way you currently see it. Tanmay: I agree with this- but I don't mind how it is perceived, it is up to each one and I am not calling it wrong- see it as you like, hope it is something that helps. TQ: One of them is that you spent decades believing what one teacher told you, without ever questioning the validity of anything he said, Tanmay: there is validity to TM and I am not saying that there is not. I honor the benefits I got, what was and how I did or did not question things is of the past. Because one behaves a certain way in the past about anything does not mean that this is current behavior, so this is why it is not worth bringing up the past in this connection and now it appears that you're doing exactly the same thing with another teacher. TanMay : It is not one thing I am doing, it is comprhensive path that is different in many ways. Maybe from you observation, it is what it is, but I know this is very different in many ways, and I am also in a different place than before. You seem to feel that this is progress on your part. I'm not sure that everyone here agrees with you. Tanmay: I know there is much progress for myself. I know that people see what they see, this has nothing to do with me- it is that same thing MMY said- give someone a flower, one is joyfull about it, one starts crying. I am promoting my path, as I feel like doing it, and am enjoying doing it. Maybe someone is interested and then even enters the path and has similar things to say and experience as I am. For those not interested, this is also fine. May all find that eternal lasting Being we hear about, that is all TQ:When asked about what *you* believe, you respond with your teacher's words, not your own. Tanmay: I think it is a good idea, especially compared to those that speak with athority about enlightenment but are not. Then if asked if they are enlightened, they side step the question with non sense. Whose words are better in describing enlightenment - mine when I claim not to be, or My Guru, which passes the test for me now. also the 2 newly enlightened disciples. TQ: Not all of us are convinced of the accuracy of the equation: SwamiGsaysIt = Truth Tanmay: Well, it boils down to each one having to use their discrimination, then choose what you choose, and reap the results. This is karma. I am presenting my path, others here in this forum present their path, which sometimes doesnt have a Guru - sometimes it is a machine even- not laughing at this for I think a machine can be way deeper than one can imagine- based on my experience of listening to a CD But I
[FairfieldLife] Re: Recycling Enlightenment
I moved a couple months ago, and only now am I getting clarity about what the move has done to my lifestyle/head/heart. Could be months more of this dawning. Spooky shit, let me tell ya. Since my move, I now watch different TV shows, eat at different times than normal, stopped eating certain foods, started eating others, am doing a lot more writing in non-spiritual topics, have several relationships that have changed dramatically, started putting some creativity into non-writing such as getting back into playing music, gave up activities that I thought I was so into, got more social, have found happiness coming from left field, have found negativity coming from different trigger-points, and whereas I used to look out over a peaceful cove three steps from my window where dozens of species did life before me, now my view is of house tops and mostly sky, sky, and lots more sky. Did I mention Akhanda Mandala Karum? Sky! Watch out. I think it's the architectural stapatchavedaoogabooga monster having at me. Going from France to Spain -- oh fuck -- not me! That'd be like playing roulette bigtime -- I could end up being a Rush Limbaugh fan or something. It's like I was three years sitting in a chair in transcendence, and now, suddenly a thought comes. WTF? I'm thinking my move was a blessing for me in that the thought wasn't Start a movement for Westerners! Whew, that could have happened, and then what? The world may be able to stomach George Bush, it would puke at the sight of me in a dhoti! Counting new blessings here. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: The spiritual angle on this is interesting as I know both packrats and spartans who are on spiritual paths. Ayurveda can frequently explain this as the spartan folks are usually the vata types and the packrats kapha (or are running these imbalances). I'm glad *something* can explain it. Me, I'm just stuck with being the kinda mover I am. If it hasn't proven its value in my spiritual and worldly sadhana since the last move, it probably isn't going to. Let it go. What Ayurvedic thingy would that make me? Probably pitta. Look at it this way, kaphas being water and earth tend to cling to things whereas their opposites vatas being air and ether can't hold onto anything (especially money). Pittas being fire and water are somewhere inbetween (most Americans have Pitta predominant constitutions). But most people these days have a version what you do that goes if I haven't used it in 6 months or a year then out it goes. BTW, watch out for the 4th and finale episode of ABC's Master's of Science Fiction. It is based on a Harlan Ellison story and he wrote the screenplay. Jonathan Frakes directed and it star Brian Denehy and John Hurt. It is probably the best of the 4 episodes.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios
Ok, I've downloaded all the CL audio files and uploaded them to my webserver. http://alex.natel.net/ffl/audio/ To make things a bit more organized, I put the MMY and CL files into their own designated subfolders. Keep in mind, though, that they'll probably download a lot quicker off the original www.box.net URLs. One morning last week, the web server bogged down to a crawl, and I don't know if it was some kind of denial of service attack or simply too many people trying to access it at once, so if you have any difficulty downloading files, check back later and try again. And, please don't just play them live in your web browser; right click (or the Mac/Linux/etc. equivalent) and save the files to your hard drive. The machine hosting those files is an old desktop PC that I bought new in 1999, and it probably doesn't take much to overwhelm its little 733 MHz Pentium III. So, please download files one at a time. Thanks! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.box.net/shared/z5dh8vce26 http://www.box.net/shared/emxrsfx1b3 http://www.box.net/shared/1bc3mf10af http://www.box.net/shared/dxv2qcimkv http://www.box.net/shared/7xjcul2zii http://www.box.net/shared/mi5o1zq39q http://www.box.net/shared/rhmal2y4jn http://www.box.net/shared/i8zchc5zk3
[FairfieldLife] Re: An Inspiring Visit to Baba Muktananda
Janet Luise [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I remember someone telling about that visit when Muktananda Co were at Seelisberg probably Chotti (Charlotte Uhlenbusch Roeder but maybe some other German lady) – that there were lots of similarities between groups Western followers — both groups consuming huge amounts of sweets etc That MMY made lots of points with Muktanadas followers by having MUk sit HIGHER than MMY because he was a Brahmin. Muktanada's followers were chanting the Guru Gita at some point Muktananda himself left while they continued chanting. MMY commented ( I don't know if this was while the other group was there or afterward) that did people notice the quality of their chanting was different when Muktananda was present? That Muktananda was taking their karma as they chanted so that sounds like the Aussie story. I actually wonder how they happened to BE in Seelisberg. Thanks for the story! Rick Archer wrote: I spent the summer of '76 in New Jersey with John Gray, Billy Clayton, and two other guys. Maharishi sent us there to inspire the local teachers during the NJ court case. John and Billy visited Muktananda a lot that summer and invited him to visit MMY in Seelisberg. Reportedly, MMY was pissed that they did that on his behalf without consulting him, but when Muktananda and his entourage showed up, MMY made the best of it. After Muktananda left, MMY met with the folks in Seelisberg and reportedly asked them some questions that implied he was concerned that their devo- tion to him might have been swayed by their exposure to another saint. I wasn't there and can't relate anything more extensive than that, although I later saw a videotape of MMY's meeting with Muktananda. Dear Fairfield Lifers, I was there at this famous meeting in 1976 between Maharishi and Swami Muktananda. Parts of the information in the 2 e-mails above seems in- accurate; here's what I remember: Swami Muktananda was traveling on tour throughout Europe with a large entourage of his followers. A meeting was arranged with Maharishi in the big meeting room in Seelisberg where Maharishi held evening know- ledge meetings for the international staff - in the beautiful gold meeting hall that you see in many videos. Muktananda and his entourage were the guests of honor that evening, and the meeting was, in essence, turned over to them as I remember. Maharishi was seated on the stage on the central couch, as usual. Swami Muktananda was seated on another couch to Maharishi's right (a place of great honor - the teacher often is on the right when he sits with a student, as in a TM initiation). Neither was higher or lower than the other. (Muktananda seemed quite happy with the seating arrangement, and didn't express verbally or physically any desire to change it - till the end - but we're getting ahead of the story!) The audience was the entire international staff, 108's, faculty, VIPs, etc. - plus the participants on my course (a year-long, ex- perimental course where Maharishi was giving us a lot of personal attention). He specifically invited our course to this special meeting - sent a bus all the way around Lake Lucerne and had us travel over an hour to get there, which messed up our routine and only happened on very special occasions (celebrations, special an- nouncements, guests, etc.). So Maharishi knew that something spe- cial was up - Swami Muktananda did not arrive as any kind of sur- prise. That evening, to begin the meeting, Maharishi said some brief, but very uplifting and honoring remarks about Swami Muktananda. Maha- rishi then asked Swami Muktananda to speak, which he did, through his interpreter (a young woman), and during that talk he spoke highly of Maharishi. He also spoke quite forcefully about the ig- norance and superficiality of Western science when compared with deep, vedic knowledge. After he spoke, Swami Muktananda and his followers chanted the Guru Gita (which is a part of the Skanda Purana, and contains some sig- nificant components of the TM puja ceremony). During all of this, all throughout his talking or chanting, Swami Muktananda did what he does with his students - had them come sit right near him for a minute or two, and then sent them back to their seat in the audience and replaced them with another of his students, apparently giving them powerful darshan. Basically, Maharishi turned over the program for the evening to Swami Muktananda, and sat quietly, often with eyes closed, after his own opening words. He didn't interact on the surface (make remarks, do commentary, exchange looks, etc.). He seemed very deep within. To me, and a number of my friends on my course, it seemed like a kind of friendly, cosmic contest was developing: which of these two powerful saints was going to make the other move. It was obvious, almost palpable, that there was a great flow of love, respect, and especially cosmic power, between these two.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Comfortable Chair - Music Group
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Recycling Enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I moved a couple months ago, and only now am I getting clarity about what the move has done to my lifestyle/head/heart. Could be months more of this dawning. Spooky shit, let me tell ya. Yeah, that's the idea. :-) Since my move, I now watch different TV shows, eat at different times than normal, stopped eating certain foods, started eating others, am doing a lot more writing in non-spiritual topics, have several relationships that have changed dramatically, started putting some creativity into non-writing such as getting back into playing music, gave up activities that I thought I was so into, got more social, have found happiness coming from left field, have found negativity coming from different trigger-points, and whereas I used to look out over a peaceful cove three steps from my window where dozens of species did life before me, now my view is of house tops and mostly sky, sky, and lots more sky. Did I mention Akhanda Mandala Karum? Sky! Watch out. I think it's the architectural stapatchavedaoogabooga monster having at me. Which way does your door face? It's not...gawd help us...SOUTH, is it? :-) Going from France to Spain -- oh fuck -- not me! That'd be like playing roulette bigtime -- I could end up being a Rush Limbaugh fan or something. Hey, don't you go badmouting My Man Rush. Ooops... sorry...I seemed to have been channeling someone else there for a minute. :-) I somehow don't think I'll turn into a Rush freak. Sitges has a long, established rep as an outlaw colony. It got away with stuff during all the Franco years, and it continues to get away with it today. I think I'll just fit right in. It's like I was three years sitting in a chair in transcendence, and now, suddenly a thought comes. WTF? I'm thinking my move was a blessing for me in that the thought wasn't Start a movement for Westerners! Whew, that could have happened, and then what? The world may be able to stomach George Bush, it would puke at the sight of me in a dhoti! Yeah, but think of all you missed out on. All your relatives could be rich now from ripping off your devotees. ;-) Counting new blessings here. And I'm still packing and counting boxes. But I hope to be counting the blessings soon...
[FairfieldLife] New Hindu Temple in Atlanta
There's a short Barrack Obama ad first. Subject: New Hindu Temple in Atlanta HYPERLINK http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2007/08/26/iyer.georgia.hindu.temple.cn nhttp://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2007/08/26/iyer.georgia.hindu.temple.c nn No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.9/975 - Release Date: 8/26/2007 9:34 PM
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alex Stanley Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 9:00 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios Ok, I've downloaded all the CL audio files and uploaded them to my webserver. HYPERLINK http://alex.natel.net/ffl/audio/http://alex.natel.net/ffl/audio/ I’ll link to that from the links section, rather than to all the individual ones on box. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.9/975 - Release Date: 8/26/2007 9:34 PM
[FairfieldLife] Interesting comment from an Amma chat group
Can anyone relate?: Spiritual bypassing is particularly tempting for people who are having difficulty navigating life's developmental challenges, especially in a time and culture like ours, where what were once ordinary landmarks of adulthood -- earning a livelihood through dignified work, raising a family, keeping a marriage together, belonging to a meaningful community -- have become increasingly elusive for large segments of the population. While still struggling to find themselves, many people are introduced to spiritual teachings Somewhat on the same subject, the Jungian analyst Robert Johnson has written: Dr. Jung once said that in essence there are two problems in therapy: the problem of the twenty-one-year-old and the problem of the forty-five-year-old, regardless of the actual chronological age of the person. The twenty-one-year- old's problem has to do with getting into life, while the forty-five-year-old's problem is how to get back out of life ...I also encountered a dilemma that seemed to grow to epidemic proportions in America in the 1960s and 1970s--the individual who is facing both problems at the same time. Such people manage to avoid growing up, taking responsibility and truly engaging life, thus extending their adolescence into their twenties, thirties, forties and even fiftiesWhile it's true that social expectations regarding the contour of one's life have changed, still nothing is sadder than an individual who has reached the age of fifty and still has not engaged life (Balancing Heaven and Earth, p. 143.) http://www.amazon.com/Balancing-Heaven-Earth-Robert-Johnson/dp/0062515063 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.9/975 - Release Date: 8/26/2007 9:34 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Hell exothermic or endothermic?
TurquoiseB wrote: Bonus Question: Is Hell exothermic (gives off heat) or endothermic (absorbs heat)? The answer to this is simple: to obtain Holy Water, you just boil the hell out of it. An old favorite story reappeared in my Inbox today, so I thought I'd share it here: The following is an actual question given on a University of Washington Chemistry Mid term. Most of the students wrote proofs of their beliefs using Boyle's Law (gas cools when it expands and heats when it is compressed) or some variant. One student, however, wrote the following: First, we need to know how the mass of Hell is changing in time. So we need to know the rate at which souls are moving into Hell and the rate at which they are leaving. I think that we can safely assume that once a soul gets to Hell, it will not leave. Therefore, no souls are leaving. As for how many souls are entering Hell, let's look at the different religions that exist in the world today. Most of these religions state that if you are not a member of their religion, you will go to Hell. Since there is more than one of these religions and since people do not belong to more than one religion, we can project that all souls go to Hell. With birth and death rates as they are, we can expect the number of souls in Hell to increase exponentially. Now, we look at the rate of change of the volume in Hell because Boyle's Law states that in order for the temperature and pressure in Hell to stay the same, the volume of Hell has to expand proportionately as souls are added. This gives two possibilities: 1. If Hell is expanding at a slower rate than the rate at which souls enter Hell, then the temperature and pres- sure in Hell will increase until all Hell breaks loose. 2. If Hell is expanding at a rate faster than the increase of souls in Hell,then the temperature and pressure will drop until Hell freezes over. So which is it? If we accept the postulate given to me by Teresa during my freshman year that, It will be a cold day in Hell before I sleep with you, and take into account the fact that I slept with her last night, then number two must be true, and thus I am sure that Hell is exothermic and has already frozen over. The corollary of this theory is that since Hell has frozen over, it follows that it is not accepting any more souls and is therefore, extinct, leaving only Heaven, thereby proving the existence of a divine being which explains why, last night, Teresa kept shouting Oh my God. THIS STUDENT RECEIVED AN A+
[FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios
I'm wondering what value Charlie Lutes tapes have for most of us here. I think just about everyone has posted something negative about his prognostications -- my contribution was that I personally heard him predict that in a couple years (1974 at the time) there would be a finding of the space ship Jesus used to come to earth parked inside the pyramid. When I personally asked him about this prediction a decade later, he denied ever saying it. I think anyone who predicts anything that doesn't come true should be held up to a strong light, and Charlie, for whatever good he did by being inspirational, blew any good karma he'd gained thereby by his utter disregard for integrity. What next? Andy Rymer how to rape a child right in front of their parents tapes? Harold Bloomfield's drug and rape tapes? Ed Beckeley's sucker the poor and rape tapes? Kaplan's how to have a bigger dick than Chris Hartnett tapes? Bevan and John's how to get into a married woman's pants tapes? Johnny and Barbara's how I faked scholarship and only paid 20 bucks for the diploma and still made millions tapes? Some legacy of the TMO, eh? Yeah, stock the tapes -- right on the same shelf as the get enlightened for one million dollars -- but wait, act within the next ten minutes and get this Burger King crown too! tapes. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alex Stanley Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 9:00 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios Ok, I've downloaded all the CL audio files and uploaded them to my webserver. HYPERLINK http://alex.natel.net/ffl/audio/http://alex.natel.net/ffl/audio/ I'll link to that from the links section, rather than to all the individual ones on box. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.9/975 - Release Date: 8/26/2007 9:34 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: An Inspiring Visit to Baba Muktananda
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Dean Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Janet Luise [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I remember someone telling about that visit when Muktananda Co were at Seelisberg probably Chotti (Charlotte Uhlenbusch Roeder but maybe some other German lady) that there were lots of similarities between groups Western followers both groups consuming huge amounts of sweets etc That MMY made lots of points with Muktanadas followers by having MUk sit HIGHER than MMY because he was a Brahmin. Muktanada's followers were chanting the Guru Gita at some point Muktananda himself left while they continued chanting. MMY commented ( I don't know if this was while the other group was there or afterward) that did people notice the quality of their chanting was different when Muktananda was present? That Muktananda was taking their karma as they chanted so that sounds like the Aussie story. I actually wonder how they happened to BE in Seelisberg. Thanks for the story! Rick Archer wrote: I spent the summer of '76 in New Jersey with John Gray, Billy Clayton, and two other guys. Maharishi sent us there to inspire the local teachers during the NJ court case. John and Billy visited Muktananda a lot that summer and invited him to visit MMY in Seelisberg. Reportedly, MMY was pissed that they did that on his behalf without consulting him, but when Muktananda and his entourage showed up, MMY made the best of it. After Muktananda left, MMY met with the folks in Seelisberg and reportedly asked them some questions that implied he was concerned that their devo- tion to him might have been swayed by their exposure to another saint. I wasn't there and can't relate anything more extensive than that, although I later saw a videotape of MMY's meeting with Muktananda. Dear Fairfield Lifers, I was there at this famous meeting in 1976 between Maharishi and Swami Muktananda. Parts of the information in the 2 e-mails above seems in- accurate; here's what I remember: Swami Muktananda was traveling on tour throughout Europe with a large entourage of his followers. A meeting was arranged with Maharishi in the big meeting room in Seelisberg where Maharishi held evening know- ledge meetings for the international staff - in the beautiful gold meeting hall that you see in many videos. Muktananda and his entourage were the guests of honor that evening, and the meeting was, in essence, turned over to them as I remember. Maharishi was seated on the stage on the central couch, as usual. Swami Muktananda was seated on another couch to Maharishi's right (a place of great honor - the teacher often is on the right when he sits with a student, as in a TM initiation). Neither was higher or lower than the other. (Muktananda seemed quite happy with the seating arrangement, and didn't express verbally or physically any desire to change it - till the end - but we're getting ahead of the story!) The audience was the entire international staff, 108's, faculty, VIPs, etc. - plus the participants on my course (a year-long, ex- perimental course where Maharishi was giving us a lot of personal attention). He specifically invited our course to this special meeting - sent a bus all the way around Lake Lucerne and had us travel over an hour to get there, which messed up our routine and only happened on very special occasions (celebrations, special an- nouncements, guests, etc.). So Maharishi knew that something spe- cial was up - Swami Muktananda did not arrive as any kind of sur- prise. That evening, to begin the meeting, Maharishi said some brief, but very uplifting and honoring remarks about Swami Muktananda. Maha- rishi then asked Swami Muktananda to speak, which he did, through his interpreter (a young woman), and during that talk he spoke highly of Maharishi. He also spoke quite forcefully about the ig- norance and superficiality of Western science when compared with deep, vedic knowledge. After he spoke, Swami Muktananda and his followers chanted the Guru Gita (which is a part of the Skanda Purana, and contains some sig- nificant components of the TM puja ceremony). During all of this, all throughout his talking or chanting, Swami Muktananda did what he does with his students - had them come sit right near him for a minute or two, and then sent them back to their seat in the audience and replaced them with another of his students, apparently giving them powerful darshan. Basically, Maharishi turned over the program for the evening to Swami Muktananda, and sat quietly, often with eyes closed, after his own opening words. He didn't interact on the surface (make remarks, do commentary, exchange looks, etc.). He seemed very deep within. To me, and a number of my friends on my course, it seemed like a kind of friendly, cosmic contest was developing: which of these
[FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm wondering what value Charlie Lutes tapes have for most of us here. I think just about everyone has posted something negative about his prognostications -- my contribution was that I personally heard him predict that in a couple years (1974 at the time) there would be a finding of the space ship Jesus used to come to earth parked inside the pyramid. When I personally asked him about this prediction a decade later, he denied ever saying it. I think anyone who predicts anything that doesn't come true should be held up to a strong light, and Charlie, for whatever good he did by being inspirational, blew any good karma he'd gained thereby by his utter disregard for integrity. What next? Andy Rymer how to rape a child right in front of their parents tapes? Harold Bloomfield's drug and rape tapes? Ed Beckeley's sucker the poor and rape tapes? Kaplan's how to have a bigger dick than Chris Hartnett tapes? Bevan and John's how to get into a married woman's pants tapes? Johnny and Barbara's how I faked scholarship and only paid 20 bucks for the diploma and still made millions tapes? Some legacy of the TMO, eh? Yeah, stock the tapes -- right on the same shelf as the get enlightened for one million dollars -- but wait, act within the next ten minutes and get this Burger King crown too! tapes. Edg I appreciate the tapes, both for the quality of Charlie's voice, combined with what he says. I am not looking for predictions. As for your remaining litany, I am sure that you are aware that no matter how closely you peer at and examine your bondage, it will not magically transform itself into freedom. Though you may be able to revalidate its unremitting darkness, and that can be helpful.:-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Recycling Enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since my move, I now watch different TV shows, eat at different times than normal, stopped eating certain foods, started eating others ... BTW Edg, this (the eating) is one of the things I most look forward to in Spain. Sitges is just *full* of great restaurants, and the Spanish have weird ideas about when you eat. They don't tend to eat an English breakfast, with eggs or cereal or stuff like that. It's more like coffee with churros or some other pastry. Then if they're hungry, they eat a little some- thing more mid-morning. The reason for this mid-morning snack is that lunch isn't until 2:00 PM or so. That's often the big meal of the day, and that suits me fine because I have a very slow metabolism. Then dinner happens at 10:00 PM. WAY too late for me to eat a full meal, but fortunately I'm in the land of tapas, so I can content myself with small plates of tapas and not overdo it. France has been Hell on my eating habits, espec- ially going out to restaurants, because they don't eat dinner until after 8:00 PM themselves, and it's almost always a full three- or four-course meal. WAY too much for me. I find myself still stuffed when waking up the next morning; breakfast is just out of the question. So I think I'll like Spain better.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shankara on the Two Paths
Kirk wrote: Which is which or have you not read Saundarya Lahiri? Yes, I have read it several times and posted excerpts here and on Usenet on several occasions. Apparently not a single respondent on this forum - except maybe Empty Bill, or Billy G - has read the Saundarya Lahiri or the Ananda Lahiri - why I don't know. Go figure. When are you going to read it, Kirk? From: willytex Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental, Date: 7 Sep 2006 16:35:04 Subject: Auspicious Wisdom http://tinyurl.com/3dtzf8 From: willytex Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental,alt.meditation Date: 3 Feb 2005 22:07:14 Subject: TM and Tantra Part I http://tinyurl.com/2tndg3
RE: [FairfieldLife] Clouds over Kalki
Namaste everybody I searched for information about Lehyam. It's not a drug, but a kind of ayurvedic medicine: LEHYAM Lehyams are thickened and sweetened extracts of a single herb or a combination of herbs, animal and mineral products. They can be called electuaries, and have the consistency of preserves or jams. A Lehya/Lehyam is best if used within a year. It should be preferably stored in wide-mouthed glass containers. Until spring 2005 The Oneness University campus housed an ayurvedic clinic, so maybe what they gave the participants was some kind of medicine. I know that people in the earliest processes were given medicine clay to clean their intestines. Maybe thats what people misunderstand or deliberately use to throw suspiscion on the Oneness Movement. The accusation, that the monks and nuns would give people on the processes LSD or other drugs are really ridiculous. The more I think about the more absurd it seems. The monks and nuns living and working in Oneness University are really sweat persons, who I have had only good experiences with. I have always felt that they were genuinely interested in the process the participants went through. Even though I have left the movement, I feel sorry that some people, Freddy N. and others, are spreading rumours like that about the Oneness University. I don't think anybody in the Oneness Movement deserve that or that their are any truth in the rumours. love Carsten _ No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.9/975 - Release Date: 8/26/2007 9:34 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm wondering what value Charlie Lutes tapes have for most of us here. I think just about everyone has posted something negative about his prognostications -- my contribution was that I personally heard him predict that in a couple years (1974 at the time) there would be a finding of the space ship Jesus used to come to earth parked inside the pyramid. When I personally asked him about this prediction a decade later, he denied ever saying it. [snip] I knew Charlie personally for 20 years. You're lying that he made such a claim about Jesus in a spaceship.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: I'm wondering what value Charlie Lutes tapes have for most of us here. I think just about everyone has posted something negative about his prognostications -- my contribution was that I personally heard him predict that in a couple years (1974 at the time) there would be a finding of the space ship Jesus used to come to earth parked inside the pyramid. When I personally asked him about this prediction a decade later, he denied ever saying it. [snip] I knew Charlie personally for 20 years. You're lying that he made such a claim about Jesus in a spaceship. Hell hath no fury like someone who's been taken in by a charlatan for 20 years. :-) I'm just going to sit back and enjoy Edg taking John to the cleaners over this one. Unlike him, I can't claim to be omniscient about what Edg heard and didn't hear. :-) What I can be more than a little certain about is Charlie's tendency to lie with a straight face. There was a time when International Staff was getting reports of odd things he was reported to be saying in his Friday night meetings -- stuff about space aliens and Jesus reappearing, etc. So the Regional Office assigned me to go to a few of his talks to find out. I did, because Charlie's on a Friday night was the best pickup spot in town. :-) Charlie talked a blue streak in those meetings, about all sorts of stuff that was clearly off the program, and worse, he *never made a distinction between what was stuff he read in books or made up himself and what Maharishi taught*. He just lumped it all together, so the people in the audience were left with the impression that it all came from Maharishi. I reported back what I had heard, and even gave them tape recordings I had made on my little mini- recorder. When asked a little later by one of the Regional Coordinators whether he'd said these things, Charlie denied ever having said a word of it. Where- upon the RC played Charlie the tape. Charlie supposedly (I wasn't there at the time, thank god, or I'd prob- ably still have an astral Charlie on my ass from beyond the grave) stormed out of the room red-faced. Did Charlie Lutes lie? Like a rug. But then so do most human beings, especially those who lie to themselves a lot. I now leave John in the loving hands of Edg, whom he has called a liar. May John R.I.P. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hell hath no fury like someone who's been taken in by a charlatan for 20 years. :-) I'm just going to sit back and enjoy Edg taking John to the cleaners over this one. Unlike him, I can't claim to be omniscient about what Edg heard and didn't hear. :-) What I can be more than a little certain about is Charlie's tendency to lie with a straight face. There was a time when International Staff was getting reports of odd things he was reported to be saying in his Friday night meetings -- stuff about space aliens and Jesus reappearing, etc. So the Regional Office assigned me to go to a few of his talks to find out. I did, because Charlie's on a Friday night was the best pickup spot in town. How would you know since you only visited a few times? Please don't embellish your otherwise good commentary! And, btw, I never got 'lucky' at SRM..I tried! I know a buddy of mine did, but I digress. :-) Charlie talked a blue streak in those meetings, about all sorts of stuff that was clearly off the program, and worse, he *never made a distinction between what was stuff he read in books or made up himself and what Maharishi taught*. He just lumped it all together, so the people in the audience were left with the impression that it all came from Maharishi. That's because he wasn't a programmed idiot like some 'on' the 'program'.you dig? Truth is ONE amigo! snort! I reported back what I had heard, and even gave them tape recordings I had made on my little mini- recorder. You little traitor...and a spy to boot, how low! When asked a little later by one of the Regional Coordinators whether he'd said these things, Charlie denied ever having said a word of it. Where- upon the RC played Charlie the tape. Charlie supposedly (I wasn't there at the time, thank god, or I'd prob- ably still have an astral Charlie on my ass from beyond the grave) stormed out of the room red-faced. Ha, ha...good story, 'supposedly' would be the operative word here, Si? Did Charlie Lutes lie? Like a rug. Where'd you get that line? But then so do most human beings, especially those who lie to themselves a lot. Like yourself? I now leave John in the loving hands of Edg, whom he has called a liar. May John R.I.P. :- Do I hear 'buffoon'?
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios
I had a number of heated debates with Charlie devotees. Most of them didn’t seem to care whether or not Charlie was representing Maharishi’s teachings. They considered Charlie to be a member of the White Brotherhood and in an exalted state of consciousness with direct cognitive or intuitive access to the things he was saying. I think Charlie tried to give them this impression. I always argued that he was merely parroting things he had read in esoteric books, but they didn’t buy it. I remember one guy arguing that Charlie was undoubtedly enlightened “because he had been meditating 15 years.” No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.9/975 - Release Date: 8/26/2007 9:34 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: I'm wondering what value Charlie Lutes tapes have for most of us here. I think just about everyone has posted something negative about his prognostications -- my contribution was that I personally heard him predict that in a couple years (1974 at the time) there would be a finding of the space ship Jesus used to come to earth parked inside the pyramid. When I personally asked him about this prediction a decade later, he denied ever saying it. [snip] I knew Charlie personally for 20 years. You're lying that he made such a claim about Jesus in a spaceship. Jesus in a space ship? First time I've heard of it, and anyway who cares! Charlie's contribution far outweighs any off color comments he *may* have made, this particular allegation would be *atypical*, his lectures speak for themselves!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios
On Aug 27, 2007, at 11:38 AM, Duveyoung wrote: I'm wondering what value Charlie Lutes tapes have for most of us here. I think just about everyone has posted something negative about his prognostications -- my contribution was that I personally heard him predict that in a couple years (1974 at the time) there would be a finding of the space ship Jesus used to come to earth parked inside the pyramid. When I personally asked him about this prediction a decade later, he denied ever saying it. The value of both the CL and the MMY tapes is the interesting insight gained from the perspective of time which has passed. For me, both sound like hucksters fudgin' their way thru a script they barely knew--as in the 'Mahesh teaches about the chakras' lecture. 30 years ago I would've been rapt with delight at every word. Now it just sounds like schlock to me. I did have the strange idea of redoing my driveway in concrete after listening to ole Charlie though.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had a number of heated debates with Charlie devotees. Most of them didn't seem to care whether or not Charlie was representing Maharishi's teachings. They considered Charlie to be a member of the White Brotherhood and in an exalted state of consciousness with direct cognitive or intuitive access to the things he was saying. I think Charlie tried to give them this impression. I always argued that he was merely parroting things he had read in esoteric books, but they didn't buy it. I remember one guy arguing that Charlie was undoubtedly enlightened because he had been meditating 15 years. I think your comment has some merit, vis-a-vis how 'others' saw Charlie, I've met a few myself, but that's them, not him. Charlie was not a perfect being..he had flaws, so who doesn't? He was MMY's biggest Champion, IMO.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had a number of heated debates with Charlie devotees. Most of them didn't seem to care whether or not Charlie was representing Maharishi's teachings. They considered Charlie to be a member of the White Brotherhood and in an exalted state of consciousness with direct cognitive or intuitive access to the things he was saying. I think Charlie tried to give them this impression. I always argued that he was merely parroting things he had read in esoteric books, but they didn't buy it. I remember one guy arguing that Charlie was undoubtedly enlightened because he had been meditating 15 years. Let's face it...after years of promises and no delivery on them, TMers were just prime sucker bait. They'd flock around *anyone* who pretended to be knowledgeable or who would tell them Woo Woo stuff they couldn't get from Maharishi or the regular TM teachers. Spice up the Woo Woo stories with a liberal dash of You're special because you're here hearing all this special knowledge, and you've got a sure-fire mini-cult on your hands. And in my opinion that's exactly what Charlie wanted, and got. It all comes back to my rap the other day on Not Easily Impressed. People who *are* easily impressed by a good line of bullshit straight from a Theosophical Society book are just sucker bait waiting for a sucker to take advantage of them. Just look at the numbers of TMers who are impressed by someone who can zap them with a bit of minor shakti. After years and years of nothing, they look upon even the smallest something as if it's mean- ingful and the best thing since sliced bread. And, before anyone comes rushing in to accuse me of TM bashing again, this phenomenon is NOT limited to TM and TMers. It's across the board, in almost every spiritual trip I've ever encountered. People bring their desires to see and hear flashy stuff to the ball with them, and *of course* the teachers dance with them and tell them exactly what they want to hear. And people eat it up, because it makes them feel all special to know things that lesser, not-as-special-as-we-are humans don't. Why do you think Nabby like Benny Creme? Same thing, in spades. Tell people they're hearing the real stuff, directly from the disembodied Great Savior Of Mankind Who Never Shows Up, and they pee all over themselves with specialness. Charlie Lutes was just a guy who had read a lot of silly shit, that's all. He laid it on thick because the people in the audiences *wanted* him to lay it on thick. And they knew that they couldn't get this stuff from Maharishi or the straight TM teachers. So they flocked around Charlie because he made them feel all superior and special. And clearly, they still do, because believing that Charlie was just an ordinary guy who could sling a line of Someone Else's Bullshit pretty well would mean that maybe they *aren't* so special after all. And that's unthinkable.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let's face it...after years of promises and no delivery on them, TMers were just prime sucker bait. They'd flock around *anyone* who pretended to be knowledgeable or who would tell them Woo Woo stuff they couldn't get from Maharishi or the regular TM teachers. Spice up the Woo Woo stories with a liberal dash of You're special because you're here hearing all this special knowledge, and you've got a sure-fire mini-cult on your hands. And in my opinion that's exactly what Charlie wanted, and got. It all comes back to my rap the other day on Not Easily Impressed. People who *are* easily impressed by a good line of bullshit straight from a Theosophical Society book are just sucker bait waiting for a sucker to take advantage of them. Just look at the numbers of TMers who are impressed by someone who can zap them with a bit of minor shakti. After years and years of nothing, they look upon even the smallest something as if it's mean- ingful and the best thing since sliced bread. And, before anyone comes rushing in to accuse me of TM bashing again, this phenomenon is NOT limited to TM and TMers. It's across the board, in almost every spiritual trip I've ever encountered. People bring their desires to see and hear flashy stuff to the ball with them, and *of course* the teachers dance with them and tell them exactly what they want to hear. And people eat it up, because it makes them feel all special to know things that lesser, not-as-special-as-we-are humans don't. Why do you think Nabby like Benny Creme? Same thing, in spades. Tell people they're hearing the real stuff, directly from the disembodied Great Savior Of Mankind Who Never Shows Up, and they pee all over themselves with specialness. Charlie Lutes was just a guy who had read a lot of silly shit, that's all. He laid it on thick because the people in the audiences *wanted* him to lay it on thick. And they knew that they couldn't get this stuff from Maharishi or the straight TM teachers. So they flocked around Charlie because he made them feel all superior and special. And clearly, they still do, because believing that Charlie was just an ordinary guy who could sling a line of Someone Else's Bullshit pretty well would mean that maybe they *aren't* so special after all. And that's unthinkable. The peanut gallery is never short on comments
[FairfieldLife] Re: Recycling Enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip If you put stuff on the sidewalk for free it usually justs sits there until the cops come along and tell you to move it. I know my neighbors tried that and it didn't work. I often see people putting out old computers and monitors for free trying to avoid the $25 charge per unit for disposal. Even throwing AAA batteries in the garbage can get you a prison sentence. snip I had a couple bags of clothes to give away and there is a Goodwill van at the top of the hill. Problem is the van is usually full and the attendant (who is there so people don't just leave stuff outside anyway) has no idea when an empty one will show up. This won't help with dead batteries or anything else that's completely unusable, but there's a growing movement called freecycling or freesharing via the Web; Yahoo has a bunch of local groups where you can post about something you no longer need and somebody who wants it can contact you privately and make arrangements to come pick it up. I've gotten rid of a bunch of stuff I didn't need that way (and it was lovely to meet the folks who took it). The whole idea is to avoid putting more stuff into the landfills and dumps, and give items that are still useful a second life. One guy regularly responds to posts for used computer equipment of all kinds; he picks it up, refurbishes it, and donates it to schools and senior centers. Most groups have policies in place to foil resellers who try to get in on the action. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freecycling http://www.freecycle.org/ http://www.freesharing.org/ http://freesharing.org/sites_like_us.php There are also usually thrift shops and other charities that will accept used clothing in decent shape. You have to watch out for these, though, because some of them bundle it up and sell it in bulk to entrepreneurs who send it overseas to be sold, where it sometimes cripples the local clothing industries. So be sure you give it to a place that's going to sell it or give it away locally. Most places will give you a receipt for tax purposes.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I knew Charlie personally for 20 years. You're lying that he made such a claim about Jesus in a spaceship. I heard Charlie say exactly what I say he said at the Berkeley TM Center in front of hundreds of people who paid $15.00 for the lecture. dolrflex, are you still going to say I'm a liar when there's probably hundreds of folks I could get to testify to the same statements I've made? If so, tell me how deep your pockets are. If deep enough, I'll sue your ass. Anyone else want some of this action? Anyone else in Berkeley that day? Who is do.rflex? What's the low down on him? What's the skinny? Fill me with negativity about do.rflex -- I'm in slurping mode! Edg
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Abdul Rahman said his large family lived in 15 houses. He supports them with his military pension and the help of the government of Ajman, one of seven emirates that comprise the UAE, which includes the Gulf trade and tourism hub of Dubai. Islam allows men to marry up to four women at a time, though most marry only one. The UAE is a Muslim country but is home to migrants from around the world. UAE is one of the United States shining star in the Middle East. They have mucho oil reserves, and I am sure all of that is in cahoots with the Bushies and their peers. Oil feeds the greed of the stock market, as well as drugs, weapons deals, and all other manner of greed and death. Sure the skyscrapers look impressive being so tall. Just more phallic symbols. While the rest of the people slaves to these demonic entities; They continue to mock everything that spirituality teaches. Some of the Arabs have 100's of Mercedes Benz. Good for Mercedes stock holders, but not much good for anyone else. How much more greedy can humans get? How much more lustful. How much more deluded with the lower god of money? This is just one story in a nightmare of hell on earth. Who is running things on earth right now. Sometimes I am wondering if the light will overcome the dark as it gets more and more obnoxious., Robert, we understand your point. But we cannot just criticize the system in this one particular country. IMHO, the attitude is pervasive throughout the world. Even here in the USA, one can find versions of this story. We are not allowed to marry four wives at a time, but we can get married to a person one at a time without any limit. We can easily blame it to human nature's predilection to indulge in the senses. However, we have to allow the concept of individual freedom to be available to all even if they hurt themselves because of mistakes or ignorance. Further, we can harp about the lust of humans that drive injustices in the world. Nonethless, we have to accept that there must be something good for having a sex drive. Otherwise, what would be the incentive for humans to propagate? IMHO, this is the reason why Vyasa wrote an anecdote in the Srimad Bhagavatam about Krishna's rasa dance with the gopis. The dance is really more of an allegory of the divine's enjoyment with the human condition, particularly females. In this case, the females would represent the desires of humans while living here on earth. So, the message is that desires are not intrinsically bad.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Recycling Enlightenment
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of authfriend Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 12:44 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Recycling Enlightenment --- In HYPERLINK mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.comFairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip If you put stuff on the sidewalk for free it usually justs sits there until the cops come along and tell you to move it. I know my neighbors tried that and it didn't work. I often see people putting out old computers and monitors for free trying to avoid the $25 charge per unit for disposal. Even throwing AAA batteries in the garbage can get you a prison sentence. So how do you legally dispose of batteries? No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.9/975 - Release Date: 8/26/2007 9:34 PM
[FairfieldLife] More why Gurus meet- also more about Kalki
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Carsten Dieter Rietz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Namaste Swami-G and Group Namaste and Maha Shanti OM I was with the Oneness Movement for three years and went for courses on the Oneness University in Chennai three times. The last time was in January this year. 0- ok - and what have you paid for these courses if this may be asked ? I have never heard of Leyham, but I know the Freddy N who is quoted. He was the first westerner who became a devotee of Bhagavan and he was the one who brought deeksha to Europe. He travelled around Europe, held satsangs where he told that people would get enlightened after a few deekshas. Later he said that people would get enlightened if they went for the 21 day process in India. He build up the European network, but developed some kind of megalomania and was kicked out of the movement after several westerns had complained to Oneness University that he was being arrogant and hurting people. After this he has spread a lot of nasty rumours about deeksha, Bhagavan and the movement. He has even made a homepage with this purpose. I wouldn't trust him. He claims to be enlightened, but are so full of hatred and bitterness towards the movement he helped to build up himself. I wouldn't trust anything he said. I think he is full of s 0- so in this it appears that Realization was never recieved by him at all. Since he was with Kalki longer than anyone this is suspicious and of course it could be understood the egoic nonsence that would arise and also perhaps a feeling of betrayal due to having been promised something that never came. And so is the person saying that people are brainwashed and get psychotic. There are so many paranoid people in the spiritual and new age communities who have all these conspiracy theories about this and that. I have even read (I think it was on Freddy N's homepage) someone who said that Bhagavan had come from outer space to brainwash people! 0- this is why one has one to one contact with the seekers and doesn't give Diksha to those who are unbalanced. Just because one comes with money in hand - Does not mean that they are ready for a specific path. To make things based on monies versus heart - mind - and balance is a dangerous precident. My truth about the Oneness University and the movement is that it helped me a lot, but that it was time for me to move on in May this year. 0- am glad it has aided your path and you are not a casualty. Yes have heard that some have come away and felt that they have gotten benefit from there. I know 30 other deeksha givers here in Copenhagen and have meet so many other deeksha givers from all over the world and except for two who feel cheated, I think we all agree that the movement has really helped us and that we all feel much better, more happy than before. Even the people who are in great debt because they had to go to the expensive courses don't regret it. 0- this is a personal assesment as to whether it was of value or not. am glad that most are feeling it was beneficial. have spoken only with a few that have been - a couple of them were very convinced of their attainments but watched them fall away into modes that were anything but near to what they were proclaiming was in place. will just say it that way. have met another that seems to have gotten something from there but is still on the path working on going forward. would like to find out more about these ones that are reported to be in some space that they need to be continually taken care of - as there is something that is odd in this. Because of deeksha I have gone trough a major inner cleansing which really helps me to day. I'm a much happier, tranquil person today. Before receiving deekshas and getting involved in the movement I was a pretty angry and restless person, who often went into depressive thoughts. Most of my anger and restlessness has gone and even though I sometimes go into negative thinking, it's MUCH less frequent than before and I have much more joy and love in my life. I can thank deeksha and the movement for that. 0- so this is a very good report. am glad to get something this positive back about the movement. I left the movement because I want more than just ordinary contentment and because I didn't feel it was honest of me to give deeksha to people, when I didn't believe totally in the message. 0- ordinary contentment is far from Realization. Am glad you are not giving deeksha (energy shaktipat) to any due to realizing that you aren't believing in the message. Also one may only give energy to the degree as to their clarity within themselves. My problem with the movement is that we were promised enlightenment, but only got a more tranquil and happy ego! For some people this is enough, they don't want transcendence. But I want more than that! 0- am glad you see that there is more to go - a Guru may only take you as far as they
[FairfieldLife] Re: An Inspiring Visit to Baba Muktananda
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Dean Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Janet Luise [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I remember someone telling about that visit when Muktananda Co were at Seelisberg probably Chotti (Charlotte Uhlenbusch Roeder but maybe some other German lady) that there were lots of similarities between groups Western followers both groups consuming huge amounts of sweets etc That MMY made lots of points with Muktanadas followers by having MUk sit HIGHER than MMY because he was a Brahmin. Muktanada's followers were chanting the Guru Gita at some point Muktananda himself left while they continued chanting. MMY commented ( I don't know if this was while the other group was there or afterward) that did people notice the quality of their chanting was different when Muktananda was present? That Muktananda was taking their karma as they chanted so that sounds like the Aussie story. I actually wonder how they happened to BE in Seelisberg. Thanks for the story! Rick Archer wrote: I spent the summer of '76 in New Jersey with John Gray, Billy Clayton, and two other guys. Maharishi sent us there to inspire the local teachers during the NJ court case. John and Billy visited Muktananda a lot that summer and invited him to visit MMY in Seelisberg. Reportedly, MMY was pissed that they did that on his behalf without consulting him, but when Muktananda and his entourage showed up, MMY made the best of it. After Muktananda left, MMY met with the folks in Seelisberg and reportedly asked them some questions that implied he was concerned that their devo- tion to him might have been swayed by their exposure to another saint. I wasn't there and can't relate anything more extensive than that, although I later saw a videotape of MMY's meeting with Muktananda. Dear Fairfield Lifers, I was there at this famous meeting in 1976 between Maharishi and Swami Muktananda. Parts of the information in the 2 e-mails above seems in- accurate; here's what I remember: Swami Muktananda was traveling on tour throughout Europe with a large entourage of his followers. A meeting was arranged with Maharishi in the big meeting room in Seelisberg where Maharishi held evening know- ledge meetings for the international staff - in the beautiful gold meeting hall that you see in many videos. Muktananda and his entourage were the guests of honor that evening, and the meeting was, in essence, turned over to them as I remember. Maharishi was seated on the stage on the central couch, as usual. Swami Muktananda was seated on another couch to Maharishi's right (a place of great honor - the teacher often is on the right when he sits with a student, as in a TM initiation). Neither was higher or lower than the other. (Muktananda seemed quite happy with the seating arrangement, and didn't express verbally or physically any desire to change it - till the end - but we're getting ahead of the story!) The audience was the entire international staff, 108's, faculty, VIPs, etc. - plus the participants on my course (a year-long, ex- perimental course where Maharishi was giving us a lot of personal attention). He specifically invited our course to this special meeting - sent a bus all the way around Lake Lucerne and had us travel over an hour to get there, which messed up our routine and only happened on very special occasions (celebrations, special an- nouncements, guests, etc.). So Maharishi knew that something spe- cial was up - Swami Muktananda did not arrive as any kind of sur- prise. That evening, to begin the meeting, Maharishi said some brief, but very uplifting and honoring remarks about Swami Muktananda. Maha- rishi then asked Swami Muktananda to speak, which he did, through his interpreter (a young woman), and during that talk he spoke highly of Maharishi. He also spoke quite forcefully about the ig- norance and superficiality of Western science when compared with deep, vedic knowledge. After he spoke, Swami Muktananda and his followers chanted the Guru Gita (which is a part of the Skanda Purana, and contains some sig- nificant components of the TM puja ceremony). During all of this, all throughout his talking or chanting, Swami Muktananda did what he does with his students - had them come sit right near him for a minute or two, and then sent them back to their seat in the audience and replaced them with another of his students, apparently giving them powerful darshan. Basically, Maharishi turned over the program for the evening to Swami Muktananda, and sat quietly, often with eyes closed, after his own opening words. He didn't interact on the surface (make remarks, do commentary, exchange looks, etc.). He seemed very deep within. To me, and a number of my friends on my course, it seemed like a kind of friendly, cosmic contest was
[FairfieldLife] Re: New Hindu Temple in Atlanta
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's a short Barrack Obama ad first. Subject: New Hindu Temple in Atlanta My first thought upon seeing the temple was, Wow, that looks like the Swaminarayan Mandir in London. And, sure enough, the Georgia temple was put up by the same organization. Petra and I were married in the Swaminarayan temple in London, a few years before they built their new gleaming white temple. The building we were married in had been a factory, and the architect who did the redesign into a temple was Deepak Bakshi, who moved to Fairfield and was our architect for this house when we built it back in 1993-94. He and his wife have the Mohan Delights restaurant on the square.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip and get this Burger King crown too! tapes. Edg I appreciate the tapes, both for the quality of Charlie's voice, combined with what he says. I am not looking for predictions. As for your remaining litany, I am sure that you are aware that no matter how closely you peer at and examine your bondage, it will not magically transform itself into freedom. Though you may be able to revalidate its unremitting darkness, and that can be helpful.:-) I still think getting a checking would be of great help :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Recycling Enlightenment
Rick Archer wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of authfriend Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 12:44 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Recycling Enlightenment --- In HYPERLINK mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.comFairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip If you put stuff on the sidewalk for free it usually justs sits there until the cops come along and tell you to move it. I know my neighbors tried that and it didn't work. I often see people putting out old computers and monitors for free trying to avoid the $25 charge per unit for disposal. Even throwing AAA batteries in the garbage can get you a prison sentence. So how do you legally dispose of batteries? Up until recently you had to take them to a center run by the waste disposal company which is not very convenient. You also have to take other toxic disposables there such as fluorescent lights, paints, etc. But the stores that sell batteries like drug stores, Radio Shack, etc. have begun to put some boxes out where you can turn old batteries in. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Hell exothermic or endothermic?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TurquoiseB wrote: Bonus Question: Is Hell exothermic (gives off heat) or endothermic (absorbs heat)? The answer to this is simple: to obtain Holy Water, you just boil the hell out of it. An old favorite story reappeared in my Inbox today, so I thought I'd share it here: The following is an actual question given on a University of Washington Chemistry Mid term. Most of the students wrote proofs of their beliefs using Boyle's Law (gas cools when it expands and heats when it is compressed) or some variant. One student, however, wrote the following: First, we need to know how the mass of Hell is changing in time. So we need to know the rate at which souls are moving into Hell and the rate at which they are leaving. I think that we can safely assume that once a soul gets to Hell, it will not leave. Therefore, no souls are leaving. As for how many souls are entering Hell, let's look at the different religions that exist in the world today. Most of these religions state that if you are not a member of their religion, you will go to Hell. Since there is more than one of these religions and since people do not belong to more than one religion, we can project that all souls go to Hell. With birth and death rates as they are, we can expect the number of souls in Hell to increase exponentially. Now, we look at the rate of change of the volume in Hell because Boyle's Law states that in order for the temperature and pressure in Hell to stay the same, the volume of Hell has to expand proportionately as souls are added. This gives two possibilities: 1. If Hell is expanding at a slower rate than the rate at which souls enter Hell, then the temperature and pres- sure in Hell will increase until all Hell breaks loose. 2. If Hell is expanding at a rate faster than the increase of souls in Hell,then the temperature and pressure will drop until Hell freezes over. So which is it? If we accept the postulate given to me by Teresa during my freshman year that, It will be a cold day in Hell before I sleep with you, and take into account the fact that I slept with her last night, then number two must be true, and thus I am sure that Hell is exothermic and has already frozen over. The corollary of this theory is that since Hell has frozen over, it follows that it is not accepting any more souls and is therefore, extinct, leaving only Heaven, thereby proving the existence of a divine being which explains why, last night, Teresa kept shouting Oh my God. THIS STUDENT RECEIVED AN A+ Barry, I've read this story before. But I still have a laugh reading it. On a serious note, I believe this story has a distant similarity to the rasa dance of Krishna with the gopis. Also, it is commonly understood among Christians that there was a war in heaven between the good angels and Lucifer's cohorts. When the bad angels lost, they were condemned to stay in Hell. However, in an interview by Bill Moyers with Campbell (forgot his first name), the famous researcher of symbolic meanings, the two discussed that Lucifer's motives may not have been dastardly as tradition portrays. They postulated that Lucifer may have acted out of love. How can this be so? From my own understanding, Lucifer was one of the brightest angels in the heavenly realm at one time. As such, he must have had the super intelligence to foresee the future. Based on his intuition, he foresaw that a realm devoid of heavenly existence would have to be created. Thus, he sacrificed his heavenly existence for Love to be in Hell. (it sounds irrational as I write this paragraph. But so be it!) There's another angle to this story. But that's for another day.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: I'm wondering what value Charlie Lutes tapes have for most of us here. I think just about everyone has posted something negative about his prognostications -- my contribution was that I personally heard him predict that in a couple years (1974 at the time) there would be a finding of the space ship Jesus used to come to earth parked inside the pyramid. When I personally asked him about this prediction a decade later, he denied ever saying it. [snip] I knew Charlie personally for 20 years. You're lying that he made such a claim about Jesus in a spaceship. Jesus in a space ship? First time I've heard of it, and anyway who cares! Charlie's contribution far outweighs any off color comments he *may* have made, this particular allegation would be *atypical*, his lectures speak for themselves! Now why on earth (!) shouldn't Jesus from Nazareth, now incarnated as the Master Jesus, residing in Italy for the last 500 or so, go for a ride in a spaceship from time to time ? Personally I do not find that strange at all. There is also no reason to doubt that Charlie Lutes was well aware of these travels.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Clouds over Kalki
I know several people who give the Oneness Blessing and took leyham. They both told me it was used as a purgative and they physically purged quite a lot from their bodies. It was not particularly pleasant but were glad they did it. On my 21 day process it was not given. I went to a pharmacy in Chennai but could not find it or I would have used it too. MAny of us liked Freddy and still do but he had a falling out with the Oneness movement and after trying wit h him several times he just had to go his own way. My first deep witnessing experience came after a weekend seminar wit h him and Madeline. It was quite fantastic and made me eager for more. I then went to India. The dasas(servants) are fantastic. It is not like the TM movements higher ups. These are truly people there to serve and all have gone thru much personal growth themselves. It is quite devoid of the spiritual hierarchy seen in spiritual movements and is also devoid of the shoulds. Much growth has occurred these past 2 years for me. I continue my daily meditation twice a day for an hour each time and find it often deep and moresatisfying than ever before. Other valuable changes have occurred for which I am grateful however I am not in need of someone to direct my life as t o what I should do. I take advice from the saints much the way I take advice from a stockbroker or my auto mechanic. I evaluate it and if it suits my agenda I accept it, if not I dont. It is for me much theame way I read this chat group. Most of what is on here is irrelevent and once in a while a pearl comes thru. Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7
[FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: I had a number of heated debates with Charlie devotees. Most of them didn't seem to care whether or not Charlie was representing Maharishi's teachings. They considered Charlie to be a member of the White Brotherhood and in an exalted state of consciousness with direct cognitive or intuitive access to the things he was saying. I think Charlie tried to give them this impression. I always argued that he was merely parroting things he had read in esoteric books, but they didn't buy it. I remember one guy arguing that Charlie was undoubtedly enlightened because he had been meditating 15 years. Let's face it...after years of promises and no delivery on them, TMers were just prime sucker bait. Charlie had a personal following long before neganaughtery became the order of the day. They'd flock around *anyone* who pretended to be knowledgeable or who would tell them Woo Woo stuff they couldn't get from Maharishi or the regular TM teachers. You realize you just contradicted yourself here, right? Just look at the numbers of TMers who are impressed by someone who can zap them with a bit of minor shakti. After years and years of nothing, they look upon even the smallest something as if it's mean- ingful and the best thing since sliced bread. What numbers would those be, Barry? And, before anyone comes rushing in to accuse me of TM bashing again You're TM- and TMer-bashing again. , this phenomenon is NOT limited to TM and TMers. It's across the board, in almost every spiritual trip I've ever encountered. People bring their desires to see and hear flashy stuff to the ball with them, and *of course* the teachers dance with them and tell them exactly what they want to hear. Except that above you claimed the TMers were after the Woo Woo stuff [TMers] *couldn't get* from Maharishi or the regular TM teachers (my emphasis). And you go on to make the same assertion: And [the TMers] knew that they couldn't get this stuff from Maharishi or the straight TM teachers. So they flocked around Charlie because he made them feel all superior and special. Plus which, you're contradicting one of your most-often-used mantras, about how TMers were taken in by MMY because *he made them feel all superior and special*. Now, in the interests of bashing Charlie and, of course, TMers again, the TMers flocked to Charlie because MMY *didn't* make them feel all superior and special, according to you. You're trying to bash TMers, TM, MMY, and Charlie all at once with the same stick, and you've ended up in one of your usual rhetorical muddles. *Sounds* good, but it doesn't make any sense. And people eat it up, because it makes them feel all special to know things that lesser, not-as-special-as-we-are humans don't. Did you ever ask yourself whether you might be projecting this tendency on others because it's how *you* feel, but not necessarily how everybody else feels? I mean, it sure looks to me as though you're describing your own repeated boasting about what you experienced with Lenz: I saw levitation and golden light and all kinds of other neat stuff and you didn't, nyah-nyah!
[FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Who is do.rflex? What's the low down on him? What's the skinny? Fill me with negativity about do.rflex -- I'm in slurping mode! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/129912 do.rflex is John Manning. He is part of FFL's AMT crowd (alt.meditation.transcendental, which is where Judy, Barry, I, and other FFLers used to hang out.) You can get a feeling for who he is by browsing his AMT posts on Google Groups: http://groups.google.com/advanced_group_search
[FairfieldLife] Re: GULLIBLE FOOL IS A NAZI
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip All that gullible_fool fool did was crush a cockroach underfoot, one that had wandered into an otherwise clean and pleasant kitchen and started leaving its stink and dis-ease everywhere. The only problem with his action was that it wasn't permanent enough. off_world has now posted 43 times this week, and is being allowed to get away with acting like a 6-year-old schoolyard bully acting out after one of his victims punched him in the nose and made him cry in front of the other kids he's consistently tried to intimidate. I say step on him again, and this time wiggle your foot a couple of times to be sure. You're really experiencing a lot of anxiety about your move to Spain, aren't you? The unpleasantness quotient of most of your posts so far this week has been *extremely* high, even for you, one hate-filled post after another. Were you planning to leave all your Bad Stuff back in France, perchance, like you hoped you'd be able to leave it back in the U.S.? And now that you've realized you took it with you across the Atlantic, did you think maybe it would be different this time, and if you could just get away from France, you'd be really rid of it? Is that why you're in such a tizzy about which of your material things you're going to take and which you're going to leave behind? Is that your mind's disguise for your anxiety about whether you're going to be able to leave your psychic Bad Stuff behind? But down deep, where a little tiny piece of you is still in touch with reality, you're afraid that ain't gonna happen (and it ain't), so you're taking your terror out on all your enemies here.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: I'm wondering what value Charlie Lutes tapes have for most of us here. I think just about everyone has posted something negative about his prognostications -- my contribution was that I personally heard him predict that in a couple years (1974 at the time) there would be a finding of the space ship Jesus used to come to earth parked inside the pyramid. When I personally asked him about this prediction a decade later, he denied ever saying it. [snip] I knew Charlie personally for 20 years. You're lying that he made such a claim about Jesus in a spaceship. Hell hath no fury like someone who's been taken in by a charlatan for 20 years. :-) I'm just going to sit back and enjoy Edg taking John to the cleaners over this one. Unlike him, I can't claim to be omniscient about what Edg heard and didn't hear. :-) What I can be more than a little certain about is Charlie's tendency to lie with a straight face. There was a time when International Staff was getting reports of odd things he was reported to be saying in his Friday night meetings -- stuff about space aliens and Jesus reappearing, etc. So the Regional Office assigned me to go to a few of his talks to find out. I did, because Charlie's on a Friday night was the best pickup spot in town. :-) Charlie talked a blue streak in those meetings, about all sorts of stuff that was clearly off the program, and worse, he *never made a distinction between what was stuff he read in books or made up himself and what Maharishi taught*. He just lumped it all together, so the people in the audience were left with the impression that it all came from Maharishi. I reported back what I had heard, and even gave them tape recordings I had made on my little mini- recorder. When asked a little later by one of the Regional Coordinators whether he'd said these things, Charlie denied ever having said a word of it. Where- upon the RC played Charlie the tape. Charlie supposedly (I wasn't there at the time, thank god, or I'd prob- ably still have an astral Charlie on my ass from beyond the grave) stormed out of the room red-faced. Did Charlie Lutes lie? Like a rug. But then so do most human beings, especially those who lie to themselves a lot. I now leave John in the loving hands of Edg, whom he has called a liar. May John R.I.P. :-) Your long term reputation for self-serving bullshit precedes you Barry. And your attempts to outdo those who see through your elaborately constructed ego trip are transparent. You're you're own worst enemy. After all of your varied 'experiences' which you hold as a support to your act, you're still a fraud. I'm not the only one who sees it clearly.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Recycling Enlightenment
-Original Message- From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bhairitu Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 1:21 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Recycling Enlightenment So how do you legally dispose of batteries? Up until recently you had to take them to a center run by the waste disposal company which is not very convenient. You also have to take other toxic disposables there such as fluorescent lights, paints, etc. But the stores that sell batteries like drug stores, Radio Shack, etc. have begun to put some boxes out where you can turn old batteries in. I'll check to see if Wal-Mart has done this and ask them to do so if they haven't. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.9/975 - Release Date: 8/26/2007 9:34 PM To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Recycling Enlightenment
Actually, it's true, one really changes with a good move, at first until the shit builds up again.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios
But thanks
[FairfieldLife] Mother Teresa's Dark Night
Time magazine has a startling article by David van Biema, Mother Teresa's Crisis of Faith, examining a new book of her correspondence with her various spiritual directors. Apparently, unknown to anyone but these correspondents, from the beginning of her mission to tend the poor in Calcutta, she completely lost any sense of the presence of God, except for one five-week break early in this period of her life where it returned temporarily, only to disappear for good. For the rest of her life, says van Biema, she was tormented by spiritual darkness. That's pretty amazing. How she learned to live with this is a fascinating tale: http://tinyurl.com/23kudz
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: An Inspiring Visit to Baba Muktananda
Nice story and I know it makes me sound horribly perverted but do you think they might have been horny? I mean, one isn't really a tantric if fucking fucks up their passage through existance. - Original Message - From: Michael Dean Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 8:57 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: An Inspiring Visit to Baba Muktananda Janet Luise [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I remember someone telling about that visit when Muktananda Co were at Seelisberg probably Chotti (Charlotte Uhlenbusch Roeder but maybe some other German lady) – that there were lots of similarities between groups Western followers — both groups consuming huge amounts of sweets etc That MMY made lots of points with Muktanadas followers by having MUk sit HIGHER than MMY because he was a Brahmin. Muktanada's followers were chanting the Guru Gita at some point Muktananda himself left while they continued chanting. MMY commented ( I don't know if this was while the other group was there or afterward) that did people notice the quality of their chanting was different when Muktananda was present? That Muktananda was taking their karma as they chanted so that sounds like the Aussie story. I actually wonder how they happened to BE in Seelisberg. Thanks for the story! Rick Archer wrote: I spent the summer of '76 in New Jersey with John Gray, Billy Clayton, and two other guys. Maharishi sent us there to inspire the local teachers during the NJ court case. John and Billy visited Muktananda a lot that summer and invited him to visit MMY in Seelisberg. Reportedly, MMY was pissed that they did that on his behalf without consulting him, but when Muktananda and his entourage showed up, MMY made the best of it. After Muktananda left, MMY met with the folks in Seelisberg and reportedly asked them some questions that implied he was concerned that their devo- tion to him might have been swayed by their exposure to another saint. I wasn't there and can't relate anything more extensive than that, although I later saw a videotape of MMY's meeting with Muktananda. Dear Fairfield Lifers, I was there at this famous meeting in 1976 between Maharishi and Swami Muktananda. Parts of the information in the 2 e-mails above seems in- accurate; here's what I remember: Swami Muktananda was traveling on tour throughout Europe with a large entourage of his followers. A meeting was arranged with Maharishi in the big meeting room in Seelisberg where Maharishi held evening know- ledge meetings for the international staff - in the beautiful gold meeting hall that you see in many videos. Muktananda and his entourage were the guests of honor that evening, and the meeting was, in essence, turned over to them as I remember. Maharishi was seated on the stage on the central couch, as usual. Swami Muktananda was seated on another couch to Maharishi's right (a place of great honor - the teacher often is on the right when he sits with a student, as in a TM initiation). Neither was higher or lower than the other. (Muktananda seemed quite happy with the seating arrangement, and didn't express verbally or physically any desire to change it - till the end - but we're getting ahead of the story!) The audience was the entire international staff, 108's, faculty, VIPs, etc. - plus the participants on my course (a year-long, ex- perimental course where Maharishi was giving us a lot of personal attention). He specifically invited our course to this special meeting - sent a bus all the way around Lake Lucerne and had us travel over an hour to get there, which messed up our routine and only happened on very special occasions (celebrations, special an- nouncements, guests, etc.). So Maharishi knew that something spe- cial was up - Swami Muktananda did not arrive as any kind of sur- prise. That evening, to begin the meeting, Maharishi said some brief, but very uplifting and honoring remarks about Swami Muktananda. Maha- rishi then asked Swami Muktananda to speak, which he did, through his interpreter (a young woman), and during that talk he spoke highly of Maharishi. He also spoke quite forcefully about the ig- norance and superficiality of Western science when compared with deep, vedic knowledge. After he spoke, Swami Muktananda and his followers chanted the Guru Gita (which is a part of the Skanda Purana, and contains some sig- nificant components of the TM puja ceremony). During all of this, all throughout his talking or chanting, Swami Muktananda did what he does with his students - had them come sit right near him for a minute or two, and then sent them back to their seat in the audience and replaced them with another of his students, apparently giving them powerful darshan. Basically, Maharishi turned over the program for the evening to Swami Muktananda, and sat quietly, often with
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Shankara on the Two Paths
When are you going to read it, Kirk? It's a mantra mala. I read it continually.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios
He once said Rosicrucian Cosmo Conception was his bible. - Original Message - From: Rick Archer To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 12:14 PM Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios I had a number of heated debates with Charlie devotees. Most of them didn’t seem to care whether or not Charlie was representing Maharishi’s teachings. They considered Charlie to be a member of the White Brotherhood and in an exalted state of consciousness with direct cognitive or intuitive access to the things he was saying. I think Charlie tried to give them this impression. I always argued that he was merely parroting things he had read in esoteric books, but they didn’t buy it. I remember one guy arguing that Charlie was undoubtedly enlightened “because he had been meditating 15 years.” No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.9/975 - Release Date: 8/26/2007 9:34 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: Who is do.rflex? What's the low down on him? What's the skinny? Fill me with negativity about do.rflex -- I'm in slurping mode! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/129912 do.rflex is John Manning. He is part of FFL's AMT crowd (alt.meditation.transcendental, which is where Judy, Barry, I, and other FFLers used to hang out.) You can get a feeling for who he is by browsing his AMT posts on Google Groups: http://groups.google.com/advanced_group_search Oh NO!! :-0
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios
Now why on earth (!) shouldn't Jesus from Nazareth, now incarnated as the Master Jesus, residing in Italy for the last 500 or so, go for a ride in a spaceship from time to time ? Personally I do not find that strange at all. There is also no reason to doubt that Charlie Lutes was well aware of these travels. You guys have all this shit mixed up I know because I was Jesus, the real one and it was a fucked existance.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Mother Teresa's Dark Night
Two thing bother me about this (not the post, but the Mother T. story!) First, all this info is from her confessor which is supposed to be private. What business is it of his to publish this stuff? Two, I don't know the context of any of her letters to him. This was her extremely private spiritual struggle, not meant for others to consume for their entertainment. For someone who did not feel the presence of God, she certainly behaved and acted more like a saint than any of us miserable sinners. RIP in the heart of God, Mama T. you deserve it more than anyone else. --- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Time magazine has a startling article by David van Biema, Mother Teresa's Crisis of Faith, examining a new book of her correspondence with her various spiritual directors. Apparently, unknown to anyone but these correspondents, from the beginning of her mission to tend the poor in Calcutta, she completely lost any sense of the presence of God, except for one five-week break early in this period of her life where it returned temporarily, only to disappear for good. For the rest of her life, says van Biema, she was tormented by spiritual darkness. That's pretty amazing. How she learned to live with this is a fascinating tale: http://tinyurl.com/23kudz To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. http://sims.yahoo.com/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: An Inspiring Visit to Baba Muktananda
Yes, thanks. Or if they were human they should have been. - Original Message - From: Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 2:48 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: An Inspiring Visit to Baba Muktananda Kirk, I'm so glad you're back on FFL. Your posts always liven things up! I don't have a clue what you're talking about here, though. Do you mean that Swami M. and MMY were starved of human contact or something?
[FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had a number of heated debates with Charlie devotees. Most of them didn't seem to care whether or not Charlie was representing Maharishi's teachings. They considered Charlie to be a member of the White Brotherhood and in an exalted state of consciousness with direct cognitive or intuitive access to the things he was saying. I think Charlie tried to give them this impression. I always argued that he was merely parroting things he had read in esoteric books, but they didn't buy it. I remember one guy arguing that Charlie was undoubtedly enlightened because he had been meditating 15 years. In my perspective in those days, the do-as-you're-told follow-the-image crowd in the TMO, mostly represented by Jerry Jarvis and his clique, despised Charlie because Charlie didn't conform to their commonly adopted phony bullshit 'smiles' and 'calmness' image and performance. Charlie DID speak from his own experience while most others just parroted what the party line happened to be at the time. Charlie's presence and manner made those phony asses very uncomfortable. Sincere TMers who weren't into that fake appearances nonsense would very much enjoy and appreciate the refreshing difference that Charlie expressed. It's interesting that Barry brought up that he secretly recorded parts of Charlie's lectures. Now I know who the asshole was who did it. But what Barry didn't tell you, is that the tapes were doctored [I don't know if Barry was in on the doctoring] to make it look like Charlie was contradicting Maharishi. I got that from two insiders who directly knew about it. This is the extent to which certain people hated Charlie and it was on this basis that smears about Charlie began to permeate the TMO via Jarvis' little kingdom and poison the well for Charlie. What's amazing to me is, in spite of the crap he was subjected to, how well Charlie handled it and how unwaveringly he supported TM and encouraged TMers throughout the whole latter part of his life until he got too sick to continue.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: I had a number of heated debates with Charlie devotees. Most of them didn't seem to care whether or not Charlie was representing Maharishi's teachings. They considered Charlie to be a member of the White Brotherhood and in an exalted state of consciousness with direct cognitive or intuitive access to the things he was saying. I think Charlie tried to give them this impression. I always argued that he was merely parroting things he had read in esoteric books, but they didn't buy it. I remember one guy arguing that Charlie was undoubtedly enlightened because he had been meditating 15 years. I think your comment has some merit, vis-a-vis how 'others' saw Charlie, I've met a few myself, but that's them, not him. Charlie was not a perfect being..he had flaws, so who doesn't? He was MMY's biggest Champion, IMO. Indeed.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios
--Thanks, I sent the audio tape addresses to Jerry Jarvis. He should be amused. - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: I had a number of heated debates with Charlie devotees. Most of them didn't seem to care whether or not Charlie was representing Maharishi's teachings. They considered Charlie to be a member of the White Brotherhood and in an exalted state of consciousness with direct cognitive or intuitive access to the things he was saying. I think Charlie tried to give them this impression. I always argued that he was merely parroting things he had read in esoteric books, but they didn't buy it. I remember one guy arguing that Charlie was undoubtedly enlightened because he had been meditating 15 years. In my perspective in those days, the do-as-you're-told follow-the-image crowd in the TMO, mostly represented by Jerry Jarvis and his clique, despised Charlie because Charlie didn't conform to their commonly adopted phony bullshit 'smiles' and 'calmness' image and performance. Charlie DID speak from his own experience while most others just parroted what the party line happened to be at the time. Charlie's presence and manner made those phony asses very uncomfortable. Sincere TMers who weren't into that fake appearances nonsense would very much enjoy and appreciate the refreshing difference that Charlie expressed. It's interesting that Barry brought up that he secretly recorded parts of Charlie's lectures. Now I know who the asshole was who did it. But what Barry didn't tell you, is that the tapes were doctored [I don't know if Barry was in on the doctoring] to make it look like Charlie was contradicting Maharishi. I got that from two insiders who directly knew about it. This is the extent to which certain people hated Charlie and it was on this basis that smears about Charlie began to permeate the TMO via Jarvis' little kingdom and poison the well for Charlie. What's amazing to me is, in spite of the crap he was subjected to, how well Charlie handled it and how unwaveringly he supported TM and encouraged TMers throughout the whole latter part of his life until he got too sick to continue.
[FairfieldLife] Re: An Inspiring Visit to Baba Muktananda
Kirk, One thing I always wanted to ask you when I was a lurker and you were a poster: Do you have a moral about putting consciousness into your cooking? I mood make that I do this when I am cutting my veggies oh so carefully. I think that each cut is, say, several thoughts/attentionings on the food which then raises up the vibe of the food. Who knows if this concept is oogabooga, eh? But I love the concept. This is why the Mona Lisa is the most famous painting in the world -- cuz Da Vinci paid attention to it every day of his life with a single stroke here and another there. I once painted a portrait of Maharishi that, honest now, I could actually accurately determine how many brush strokes I'd put on the canvas (big canvas,) and it was over 1,000,000 strokes. When I see those TV chefs slicing up food so quickly, I just gotta wonder if they're putting nearly as much love into their food as I do making a sandwich. Does ya or doesn't ya? And, what's the perfect spice to go with sliced cucumbers? I know so many, but what's THE spice? Just wondering. Hope it isn't Dill! Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, thanks. Or if they were human they should have been. - Original Message - From: Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 2:48 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: An Inspiring Visit to Baba Muktananda Kirk, I'm so glad you're back on FFL. Your posts always liven things up! I don't have a clue what you're talking about here, though. Do you mean that Swami M. and MMY were starved of human contact or something?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mother Teresa's Dark Night
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Two thing bother me about this (not the post, but the Mother T. story!) First, all this info is from her confessor which is supposed to be private. What business is it of his to publish this stuff? She had asked that the correspondence be kept private, but the Church itself overruled her (not her confessors). Two, I don't know the context of any of her letters to him. This was her extremely private spiritual struggle, not meant for others to consume for their entertainment. For someone who did not feel the presence of God, she certainly behaved and acted more like a saint than any of us miserable sinners. I suspect that's exactly why the Church wanted the letters published, to demonstrate that you don't have to be a saint in the experiential sense to be saintly in terms of what you do for others. Clearly, the Church wouldn't have allowed the letters to be published if it thought they reflected badly on her. The Church probably felt they would make her seem quite heroic, especially in terms of how she dealt the situation. I didn't find the article entertaining per se (I haven't read the book), but it was extremely thought-provoking. If you see any other commentary on the book, I'd be interested to know about it. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of people feel as you do. And do read the article I linked to; you may find it's not as bad as you think. RIP in the heart of God, Mama T. you deserve it more than anyone else. --- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Time magazine has a startling article by David van Biema, Mother Teresa's Crisis of Faith, examining a new book of her correspondence with her various spiritual directors. Apparently, unknown to anyone but these correspondents, from the beginning of her mission to tend the poor in Calcutta, she completely lost any sense of the presence of God, except for one five-week break early in this period of her life where it returned temporarily, only to disappear for good. For the rest of her life, says van Biema, she was tormented by spiritual darkness. That's pretty amazing. How she learned to live with this is a fascinating tale: http://tinyurl.com/23kudz To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ __ Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. http://sims.yahoo.com/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: I knew Charlie personally for 20 years. You're lying that he made such a claim about Jesus in a spaceship. I heard Charlie say exactly what I say he said at the Berkeley TM Center in front of hundreds of people who paid $15.00 for the lecture. dolrflex, are you still going to say I'm a liar when there's probably hundreds of folks I could get to testify to the same statements I've made? If so, tell me how deep your pockets are. If deep enough, I'll sue your ass. Anyone else want some of this action? Anyone else in Berkeley that day? Who is do.rflex? What's the low down on him? What's the skinny? Fill me with negativity about do.rflex -- I'm in slurping mode! Edg You reveal yourself as a hostile, low-life asshole by your behavior here. And I DO think you're lying about Charlie saying that Jesus would come in a spaceship. He may have used that as an example of what some new agers might wish for, but he certainly didn't claim Jesus would come in a spaceship. So sue me, fuckhead. I think you're a liar.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: Who is do.rflex? What's the low down on him? What's the skinny? Fill me with negativity about do.rflex -- I'm in slurping mode! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/129912 do.rflex is John Manning. He is part of FFL's AMT crowd (alt.meditation.transcendental, which is where Judy, Barry, I, and other FFLers used to hang out.) You can get a feeling for who he is by browsing his AMT posts on Google Groups: In my observation, John is a straight arrow who don't take no sh*t from nobody. http://groups.google.com/advanced_group_search
[FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios
--I don't know about Jesus in a spaceship, but Charlie claimed he was an incarnationof Alexander the Great. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: I knew Charlie personally for 20 years. You're lying that he made such a claim about Jesus in a spaceship. I heard Charlie say exactly what I say he said at the Berkeley TM Center in front of hundreds of people who paid $15.00 for the lecture. dolrflex, are you still going to say I'm a liar when there's probably hundreds of folks I could get to testify to the same statements I've made? If so, tell me how deep your pockets are. If deep enough, I'll sue your ass. Anyone else want some of this action? Anyone else in Berkeley that day? Who is do.rflex? What's the low down on him? What's the skinny? Fill me with negativity about do.rflex -- I'm in slurping mode! Edg You reveal yourself as a hostile, low-life asshole by your behavior here. And I DO think you're lying about Charlie saying that Jesus would come in a spaceship. He may have used that as an example of what some new agers might wish for, but he certainly didn't claim Jesus would come in a spaceship. So sue me, fuckhead. I think you're a liar.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sinhlnx [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --I don't know about Jesus in a spaceship, but Charlie claimed he was an incarnationof Alexander the Great. Yes. He did say that in a lecture or two. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: I knew Charlie personally for 20 years. You're lying that he made such a claim about Jesus in a spaceship. I heard Charlie say exactly what I say he said at the Berkeley TM Center in front of hundreds of people who paid $15.00 for the lecture. dolrflex, are you still going to say I'm a liar when there's probably hundreds of folks I could get to testify to the same statements I've made? If so, tell me how deep your pockets are. If deep enough, I'll sue your ass. Anyone else want some of this action? Anyone else in Berkeley that day? Who is do.rflex? What's the low down on him? What's the skinny? Fill me with negativity about do.rflex -- I'm in slurping mode! Edg You reveal yourself as a hostile, low-life asshole by your behavior here. And I DO think you're lying about Charlie saying that Jesus would come in a spaceship. He may have used that as an example of what some new agers might wish for, but he certainly didn't claim Jesus would come in a spaceship. So sue me, fuckhead. I think you're a liar.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's interesting that Barry brought up that he secretly recorded parts of Charlie's lectures. Now I know who the asshole was who did it. But what Barry didn't tell you, is that the tapes were doctored [I don't know if Barry was in on the doctoring] to make it look like Charlie was contradicting Maharishi. Mr. I-used-to-have-a-spine-until-I-met-Judy-Stein- and-learned-to-kiss-ass-for-a-living has his facts mixed up with self-importance fantasies. I made a couple of tapes, and turned them over to the Regional Coordinator in question, and he played them *verbatim* for Charlie when he denied saying these things. We heard later that Charlie had made up a story about doctored tapes, but anyone who used to listen to him knows that no doctoring was necessary. Charlie was caught cold doing what he'd always done, and as usual found a way to lie his ass off and convince the toadies who kissed that ass on a regular basis that it was Someone Else's Fault. I got that from two insiders who directly knew about it. Yeah, right...a couple of Charlie ass-kissers like John who believed anything he told them. :-) And note the use of the elitist, special term insiders. This is the extent to which certain people hated Charlie ... Ever notice how people with self-importance fantasies always seem to come up with stories about the people *they* are jealous of hating them? :-) Charlie was the king at this, and managed to convince most of the ass-kissers that he was being persecuted by Jerry's evil minions. What John's not telling you is that he's still pissed at Jerry for chasing him out of a meeting he wasn't supposed to be in. Like his mentor on AMT, and like Charlie himself, the only spiritual lesson John seems to have learned is how to hold a grudge for decades. :-) and it was on this basis that smears about Charlie began to permeate the TMO via Jarvis' little kingdom and poison the well for Charlie. And Charlie had *nothing* to do with it. Yeah, right. :-) Again, ever notice how the poor, persecuted self- important ones are *never* responsible for anything they say and do? It's always the fault of the evil lesser beings who persecute them. :-) The bottom line with Charlie's troops is that they liked to consider themselves special, and *above* those lesser TM types. And they still do. And they get a little crazy when someone suggests that they were *never* terribly important or special, still aren't, and will never be. Except at ass-kissing, that is. At that they excel. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios
Charlie didn't lack integrity he soaked up too much Manly P Hall. - Original Message - From: Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 10:38 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios I'm wondering what value Charlie Lutes tapes have for most of us here. I think just about everyone has posted something negative about his prognostications -- my contribution was that I personally heard him predict that in a couple years (1974 at the time) there would be a finding of the space ship Jesus used to come to earth parked inside the pyramid. When I personally asked him about this prediction a decade later, he denied ever saying it. I think anyone who predicts anything that doesn't come true should be held up to a strong light, and Charlie, for whatever good he did by being inspirational, blew any good karma he'd gained thereby by his utter disregard for integrity. What next? Andy Rymer how to rape a child right in front of their parents tapes? Harold Bloomfield's drug and rape tapes? Ed Beckeley's sucker the poor and rape tapes? Kaplan's how to have a bigger dick than Chris Hartnett tapes? Bevan and John's how to get into a married woman's pants tapes? Johnny and Barbara's how I faked scholarship and only paid 20 bucks for the diploma and still made millions tapes? Some legacy of the TMO, eh? Yeah, stock the tapes -- right on the same shelf as the get enlightened for one million dollars -- but wait, act within the next ten minutes and get this Burger King crown too! tapes. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alex Stanley Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 9:00 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios Ok, I've downloaded all the CL audio files and uploaded them to my webserver. HYPERLINK http://alex.natel.net/ffl/audio/http://alex.natel.net/ffl/audio/ I'll link to that from the links section, rather than to all the individual ones on box. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.9/975 - Release Date: 8/26/2007 9:34 PM To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios
Hey Alex, no need for all these thousand names if one has Lalita. - Original Message - From: Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 8:59 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios Ok, I've downloaded all the CL audio files and uploaded them to my webserver. http://alex.natel.net/ffl/audio/ To make things a bit more organized, I put the MMY and CL files into their own designated subfolders. Keep in mind, though, that they'll probably download a lot quicker off the original www.box.net URLs. One morning last week, the web server bogged down to a crawl, and I don't know if it was some kind of denial of service attack or simply too many people trying to access it at once, so if you have any difficulty downloading files, check back later and try again. And, please don't just play them live in your web browser; right click (or the Mac/Linux/etc. equivalent) and save the files to your hard drive. The machine hosting those files is an old desktop PC that I bought new in 1999, and it probably doesn't take much to overwhelm its little 733 MHz Pentium III. So, please download files one at a time. Thanks! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.box.net/shared/z5dh8vce26 http://www.box.net/shared/emxrsfx1b3 http://www.box.net/shared/1bc3mf10af http://www.box.net/shared/dxv2qcimkv http://www.box.net/shared/7xjcul2zii http://www.box.net/shared/mi5o1zq39q http://www.box.net/shared/rhmal2y4jn http://www.box.net/shared/i8zchc5zk3 To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links
[FairfieldLife] Time to vote -- Who's a bigger liar and fuckhead? John or Edg?
Gang, let's take a vote! Who's a bigger liar and fuckhead? John or Edg? I await the decision of the group. Right now, I'd say John'll get four votes automatically, but after that, he might be in for an onslaught of naysayers. I'm thinking I'm going to win, cuz I haven't been here long enough to stomp on many toes -- hee hee, but John, it seems you are a well known by many here -- are you on the thin ice I think you are? Give me your address John Manning, and I'll get my lawyers on it. Could be fun watching the Judge writhe at the statements we'd be hurling! What the hell did I do to you that you should show me such hostility? I haven't attacked you, and I only spoke the absolute truth about what I heard Charlie say in front of hundreds of others. And suddenly you pop up with a machine gun blasting. For you to attack me so viciously must mean you're having a bad day, eh? Nab, you can stop being worried that I'll hunt you down. I got something better to do now! Come on John, gimme your address -- if you don't give it, then you must be afraid of the legal consequences, eh? I'm on record here many times in a confessional mode with my heart on my sleeve. I've admitted to making a ton of mistakes -- even being overly angry in my responses to others here, but I don't see much humility in your posts. And my memory is spot on about that day I heard Charlie talk about Jesus and the spaceship and the pyramid. He fucking said it. Yet, I'm scratching a bloody furrow in my scalp here, because you have this good side that you present, and you obviously have wonderful tender feelings and thoughts and a good soul -- from time to time. Here's John's words from a previous post: Brahmachari Satyanand had been a disciple of Guru Dev for many years. He later worked with Maharishi Mahesh Yogi to help bring Transcendental Meditation to the world. I had the great honor of having met and spoken with him two times. -John Manning Now, I ask you, John, if Brahmachari Satyanand (I've never heard a bad word about him.) was a regular poster here, would you have still called me a liar and a fuckhead? Would you like to re-write your response? I can let bygones be bygones if you'll merely admit that I was telling the truth as far as I could tell but that you think I was wrongly remembering the incident. That I can do, but letting you call me a liar (a mindful intent to be immoral on my part is the accusation, right?) and a fuckhead (er, are you saying that I'm somehow involved with an orifice of some gargantuanosity into which a my head is inserted repeatedly for some sort of deviant and sick entertainment? Or, are you saying that my head should be fucked? Confused here if you're really trying to get a slander suit going, or if you're gay and coming on to me. So, I await your definition so that I can explain your words to my lawyers.) Can you admit to not having been at that Berkeley Center meeting? Can you come up with one reason why I might lie about Charlie in such a manner if I didn't think it was true? Just to be sure you understand me, I would think that if I lied about such a thing that I would be, yes, a liar and fuckhead and that I should be abused no end for it. So, when you accuse me of such a dastardly crime, I'm pretty much okay with getting revengeful on your ass. The swiftness of the appearance of your anger bespeaks of some other source that has nothing to do with me, but I'm your target? Kick the dog? Someone you love dying? What? If so, stop now, cuz I'm retired and got the cash and my lawyers love me cuz I'm putting their kids through college. I think lawsuits are funzies! It's a hobby of mine. Just now finishing up one -- which I'm winning hands down -- and I'll have to fill the upcoming void. You want a piece of me? I'm rubbing my hands in glee! Give your address or be exposed as a coward who won't stand behind his slander once it's been loosed upon the world. Edward William (aka Edg) Duveyoung -- waiting for a moral act by John Manning in front of a group of his peers. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: I knew Charlie personally for 20 years. You're lying that he made such a claim about Jesus in a spaceship. I heard Charlie say exactly what I say he said at the Berkeley TM Center in front of hundreds of people who paid $15.00 for the lecture. dolrflex, are you still going to say I'm a liar when there's probably hundreds of folks I could get to testify to the same statements I've made? If so, tell me how deep your pockets are. If deep enough, I'll sue your ass. Anyone else want some of this action? Anyone else in Berkeley that day? Who is do.rflex? What's the low down on him? What's the skinny? Fill me with negativity about do.rflex -- I'm in slurping
[FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: It's interesting that Barry brought up that he secretly recorded parts of Charlie's lectures. Now I know who the asshole was who did it. But what Barry didn't tell you, is that the tapes were doctored [I don't know if Barry was in on the doctoring] to make it look like Charlie was contradicting Maharishi. Mr. I-used-to-have-a-spine-until-I-met-Judy-Stein- and-learned-to-kiss-ass-for-a-living has his facts mixed up with self-importance fantasies. I made a couple of tapes, and turned them over to the Regional Coordinator in question, and he played them *verbatim* for Charlie when he denied saying these things. We heard later that Charlie had made up a story about doctored tapes, but anyone who used to listen to him knows that no doctoring was necessary. Charlie was caught cold doing what he'd always done, and as usual found a way to lie his ass off and convince the toadies who kissed that ass on a regular basis that it was Someone Else's Fault. I got that from two insiders who directly knew about it. Yeah, right...a couple of Charlie ass-kissers like John who believed anything he told them. :-) And note the use of the elitist, special term insiders. This is the extent to which certain people hated Charlie ... Ever notice how people with self-importance fantasies always seem to come up with stories about the people *they* are jealous of hating them? :-) Charlie was the king at this, and managed to convince most of the ass-kissers that he was being persecuted by Jerry's evil minions. What John's not telling you is that he's still pissed at Jerry for chasing him out of a meeting he wasn't supposed to be in. Like his mentor on AMT, and like Charlie himself, the only spiritual lesson John seems to have learned is how to hold a grudge for decades. :-) and it was on this basis that smears about Charlie began to permeate the TMO via Jarvis' little kingdom and poison the well for Charlie. And Charlie had *nothing* to do with it. Yeah, right. :-) Again, ever notice how the poor, persecuted self- important ones are *never* responsible for anything they say and do? It's always the fault of the evil lesser beings who persecute them. :-) The bottom line with Charlie's troops is that they liked to consider themselves special, and *above* those lesser TM types. And they still do. And they get a little crazy when someone suggests that they were *never* terribly important or special, still aren't, and will never be. Except at ass-kissing, that is. At that they excel. :-) Behold Barry's elaborate act embellished with outright lies, one of which is that Jarvis chased me out of a meeting I wasn't supposed to be at. That never happened. And talk about self-serving specialness. Barry is the self-named 'Mahananda' of specialness. Too bad it's all futile ego self-importance. I don't believe I've ever encountered such an overt, loud, selfish and determined ego. I don't think he can help himself and it's likely the poor slob is *really* gonna crash when the time inevitably comes.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Time to vote -- Who's a bigger liar and fuckhead? John or Edg?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gang, let's take a vote! Who's a bigger liar and fuckhead? John or Edg? I await the decision of the group. Right now, I'd say John'll get four votes automatically, but after that, he might be in for an onslaught of naysayers. I'm thinking I'm going to win, cuz I haven't been here long enough to stomp on many toes -- hee hee, but John, it seems you are a well known by many here -- are you on the thin ice I think you are? Give me your address John Manning, and I'll get my lawyers on it. Could be fun watching the Judge writhe at the statements we'd be hurling! What the hell did I do to you that you should show me such hostility? I haven't attacked you, and I only spoke the absolute truth about what I heard Charlie say in front of hundreds of others. And suddenly you pop up with a machine gun blasting. For you to attack me so viciously must mean you're having a bad day, eh? Nab, you can stop being worried that I'll hunt you down. I got something better to do now! Come on John, gimme your address -- if you don't give it, then you must be afraid of the legal consequences, eh? I'm on record here many times in a confessional mode with my heart on my sleeve. I've admitted to making a ton of mistakes -- even being overly angry in my responses to others here, but I don't see much humility in your posts. And my memory is spot on about that day I heard Charlie talk about Jesus and the spaceship and the pyramid. He fucking said it. Yet, I'm scratching a bloody furrow in my scalp here, because you have this good side that you present, and you obviously have wonderful tender feelings and thoughts and a good soul -- from time to time. Here's John's words from a previous post: Brahmachari Satyanand had been a disciple of Guru Dev for many years. He later worked with Maharishi Mahesh Yogi to help bring Transcendental Meditation to the world. I had the great honor of having met and spoken with him two times. -John Manning Now, I ask you, John, if Brahmachari Satyanand (I've never heard a bad word about him.) was a regular poster here, would you have still called me a liar and a fuckhead? Would you like to re-write your response? I can let bygones be bygones if you'll merely admit that I was telling the truth as far as I could tell but that you think I was wrongly remembering the incident. That I can do, but letting you call me a liar (a mindful intent to be immoral on my part is the accusation, right?) and a fuckhead (er, are you saying that I'm somehow involved with an orifice of some gargantuanosity into which a my head is inserted repeatedly for some sort of deviant and sick entertainment? Or, are you saying that my head should be fucked? Confused here if you're really trying to get a slander suit going, or if you're gay and coming on to me. So, I await your definition so that I can explain your words to my lawyers.) Can you admit to not having been at that Berkeley Center meeting? Can you come up with one reason why I might lie about Charlie in such a manner if I didn't think it was true? Just to be sure you understand me, I would think that if I lied about such a thing that I would be, yes, a liar and fuckhead and that I should be abused no end for it. So, when you accuse me of such a dastardly crime, I'm pretty much okay with getting revengeful on your ass. The swiftness of the appearance of your anger bespeaks of some other source that has nothing to do with me, but I'm your target? Kick the dog? Someone you love dying? What? If so, stop now, cuz I'm retired and got the cash and my lawyers love me cuz I'm putting their kids through college. I think lawsuits are funzies! It's a hobby of mine. Just now finishing up one -- which I'm winning hands down -- and I'll have to fill the upcoming void. You want a piece of me? I'm rubbing my hands in glee! Give your address or be exposed as a coward who won't stand behind his slander once it's been loosed upon the world. Edward William (aka Edg) Duveyoung -- waiting for a moral act by John Manning in front of a group of his peers. Go fuck yourself, little man.
[FairfieldLife] Reminder to Kirk
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[FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: I had a number of heated debates with Charlie devotees. Most of them didn't seem to care whether or not Charlie was representing Maharishi's teachings. They considered Charlie to be a member of the White Brotherhood and in an exalted state of consciousness with direct cognitive or intuitive access to the things he was saying. I think Charlie tried to give them this impression. I always argued that he was merely parroting things he had read in esoteric books, but they didn't buy it. I remember one guy arguing that Charlie was undoubtedly enlightened because he had been meditating 15 years. Let's face it...after years of promises and no delivery on them, TMers were just prime sucker bait. Charlie had a personal following long before neganaughtery became the order of the day. They'd flock around *anyone* who pretended to be knowledgeable or who would tell them Woo Woo stuff they couldn't get from Maharishi or the regular TM teachers. You realize you just contradicted yourself here, right? Just look at the numbers of TMers who are impressed by someone who can zap them with a bit of minor shakti. After years and years of nothing, they look upon even the smallest something as if it's mean- ingful and the best thing since sliced bread. What numbers would those be, Barry? And, before anyone comes rushing in to accuse me of TM bashing again You're TM- and TMer-bashing again. , this phenomenon is NOT limited to TM and TMers. It's across the board, in almost every spiritual trip I've ever encountered. People bring their desires to see and hear flashy stuff to the ball with them, and *of course* the teachers dance with them and tell them exactly what they want to hear. Except that above you claimed the TMers were after the Woo Woo stuff [TMers] *couldn't get* from Maharishi or the regular TM teachers (my emphasis). And you go on to make the same assertion: And [the TMers] knew that they couldn't get this stuff from Maharishi or the straight TM teachers. So they flocked around Charlie because he made them feel all superior and special. Plus which, you're contradicting one of your most-often-used mantras, about how TMers were taken in by MMY because *he made them feel all superior and special*. Now, in the interests of bashing Charlie and, of course, TMers again, the TMers flocked to Charlie because MMY *didn't* make them feel all superior and special, according to you. You're trying to bash TMers, TM, MMY, and Charlie all at once with the same stick, and you've ended up in one of your usual rhetorical muddles. *Sounds* good, but it doesn't make any sense. And people eat it up, because it makes them feel all special to know things that lesser, not-as-special-as-we-are humans don't. Did you ever ask yourself whether you might be projecting this tendency on others because it's how *you* feel, but not necessarily how everybody else feels? I mean, it sure looks to me as though you're describing your own repeated boasting about what you experienced with Lenz: I saw levitation and golden light and all kinds of other neat stuff and you didn't, nyah-nyah! The other thing I see here Judy is that Barry dances in the dark a lot, because no one has changed the tune playing for him in the Ballroom, for a lng, lng time. So on the receiving end for us are the same ol' same ol' tired stories, that after awhile we've heard many, many times before. Those who may be susceptible to the dynamics in these stories have long since moved on, or don't follow FFL, so its more about Barry's Lament on Not Having Made It Yet, than it is anything else to do with TMers, Maharishi, Charlie Lutes, spiritual seekers, Rama, others on here, etc, etc, etc. Spiritual seekers go through this stage very reliably, consistently and unmistakably-- They have moved on from the samskara/sleep stage of life, having begun to awaken from the retread patterns etched in their synapses, to discover by bit by bit, fits, starts, and grace, all that life may have to offer. And then they get stuck, and after some flashy experiences, notice that they are bridging the old asleep ways, on the one hand, and the promise of paradise fulfilled (as a dear friend refers to it),on the other, though they are not really in either camp. So they focus their energy in two areas-- either rajas/satva, finding creative, uplifting pursuits that will continue to teach them, that they can hopefully learn enough from to be set free forever (Barry's Road Trips are a great example of this), or rajas/tamas, finding that aspects of the sensory world around them which they have transcended
[FairfieldLife] My favorite Charlie Lutes story
Is when I got stuck being door guy at Maharishi's door the night before the second Merv taping. Charlie arrived, I went inside and told one of the guys inside that he was there, watched him walk up to Maharishi and tell him that Charlie was there, and then come back to me and say, Maharishi said to have him wait. Charlie waited, fuming. He stood there for a while, among all the dozen or so other people waiting outside the door, and then he started to pace. Finally, after about half an hour, he announced in a large voice, It's been over an hour! I wouldn't wait an hour to see Jesus Christ. I'm leaving. And he did. *That* is Charlie Lutes. He wanted what he had at the very beginning of the TM movement, to be special. He was kept out of the room because some important network people were in there and Maharishi was afraid he'd embarrass him. And, rather than wait outside with all the other peons, Charlie stalked off in a snit, and then made up a grand paranoid tale about Jerry's minions keeping him out of the room. *Maharishi* kept him out of the room, and kept him waiting in the hallway with all the other peons. And Charlie was too special to wait with all the others. Half an hour among the Great Unwashed was as far as his devotion went. Yeah, Charlie was special all right. In the same place that *his* minions were -- and seemingly are still -- special. In their minds.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Reminder to Kirk
On Aug 27, 2007, at 4:12 PM, Rick Archer wrote: 35 post-per-week limit. You’ve got 2 left. I was wondering when that would happen--and almost all of Kirk's about as content-free as you can get. You know, Rick, along with the posting limit, you really ought to think about a Loony Limit as well. With Nab, do.reflex, Off and Kirk posting at the same time, I'm guessing we've exceeded that one many time over already this week. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Time to vote -- Who's a bigger liar and fuckhead? John or Edg?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gang, let's take a vote! Who's a bigger liar and fuckhead? John or Edg? You're a bigger fuckhead by far (if at least partly because you're into sticking your neck out and calling attention to yourself). You get big fuckhead points from me--hypocrite variety--because of your ongoing mutual ass- kissing relationship with Barry, who's by far the biggest fuckhead *and* liar on this forum. You also get hypocrite points for reacting to John as you have after you laid into Nablus in a significantly more vicious fashion than John has gone after you. I've never known John to lie. I haven't seen any lies from you, but I haven't known you for anywhere near as long. If I were forced to choose between your word and John's on something I didn't know anything about, I'd take John's. I await the decision of the group. Right now, I'd say John'll get four votes automatically, but after that, he might be in for an onslaught of naysayers. I'm thinking I'm going to win, cuz I haven't been here long enough to stomp on many toes -- hee hee, but John, it seems you are a well known by many here -- are you on the thin ice I think you are? To my knowledge, there are three people here who are familiar with John--Alex, Barry, and myself. I don't think anyone else knows him any better than you do; you both arrived, I believe, around the same time. I don't know how Alex feels about John. Barry hates him because John sees right through Barry's phony act, as many others did on alt.m.t. I consider myself fortunate to have John as a friend. It's a relationship that was forged in a great deal of Sturm und Drang and is all the more valuable for that. If you were to read a selection of his posts from alt.m.t, you'd have a similar response to those you've read here: some you'd like a lot, some you wouldn't. Nobody here is 100 percent (either way).
Re: [FairfieldLife] Mother Teresa's Dark Night
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Recycling Enlightenment
Rick Archer wrote: -Original Message- From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bhairitu Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 1:21 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Recycling Enlightenment So how do you legally dispose of batteries? Up until recently you had to take them to a center run by the waste disposal company which is not very convenient. You also have to take other toxic disposables there such as fluorescent lights, paints, etc. But the stores that sell batteries like drug stores, Radio Shack, etc. have begun to put some boxes out where you can turn old batteries in. I'll check to see if Wal-Mart has done this and ask them to do so if they haven't. Good idea but here in California it is a state law that you can't just throw the batteries into the garbage. It may be different where you are. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [FairfieldLife] Reminder to Kirk
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sal Sunshine Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 4:31 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Reminder to Kirk On Aug 27, 2007, at 4:12 PM, Rick Archer wrote: 35 post-per-week limit. You’ve got 2 left. I was wondering when that would happen--and almost all of Kirk's about as content-free as you can get. You know, Rick, along with the posting limit, you really ought to think about a Loony Limit as well. With Nab, do.reflex, Off and Kirk posting at the same time, I'm guessing we've exceeded that one many time over already this week. “Loony” is too relative a term, and would take too much judgment and intervention on my part to referee. And according to some, I’d be the pot calling the kettle black. Easier to just count the posts and let people decide how to use them. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.9/975 - Release Date: 8/26/2007 9:34 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re:Time to vote --AmongUr selfs! Who's a bigger liar and fuckhead? Jo...
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[FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: It's interesting that Barry brought up that he secretly recorded parts of Charlie's lectures. Now I know who the asshole was who did it. But what Barry didn't tell you, is that the tapes were doctored [I don't know if Barry was in on the doctoring] to make it look like Charlie was contradicting Maharishi. Mr. I-used-to-have-a-spine-until-I-met-Judy-Stein- and-learned-to-kiss-ass-for-a-living has his facts mixed up with self-importance fantasies. Barry is really, REALLY terrified about his move to Spain. How do you know for sure that this compulsive liar barry/turqey/whatever-fellow actually went anywhere ? ;-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mother Teresa's Dark Night
I was walking down a street in SF once when I came upon a clutch (gaggle, swarm, school?) of her sisters walking towards me. I heard they were running an AIDS hospice in the neighborhood. It seemed to me that they were doing a walking meditation as they appeared to have an interior focus and were manipulating their Rosary beads as they walked. They had such a kind and careworn look, with bright little eyes that shown out from wrinkled apple faces. One women in particular had a glow that was particularly radiant. Our eyes met for a second, and I saw infinity, love and abundant grace. I dunno about you, but I just want to hug those people!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Time to vote -- Who's a bigger liar and fuckhead? John or Edg?
Anyone here want to give me John Manning's street address? Anyone? I'll keep you as my source a secret as far as I legally can, and pledge not to reveal it here. Probably, I could google it and find it, but maybe one of you knows the most recent address. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: Gang, let's take a vote! Who's a bigger liar and fuckhead? John or Edg? I await the decision of the group. Right now, I'd say John'll get four votes automatically, but after that, he might be in for an onslaught of naysayers. I'm thinking I'm going to win, cuz I haven't been here long enough to stomp on many toes -- hee hee, but John, it seems you are a well known by many here -- are you on the thin ice I think you are? Give me your address John Manning, and I'll get my lawyers on it. Could be fun watching the Judge writhe at the statements we'd be hurling! What the hell did I do to you that you should show me such hostility? I haven't attacked you, and I only spoke the absolute truth about what I heard Charlie say in front of hundreds of others. And suddenly you pop up with a machine gun blasting. For you to attack me so viciously must mean you're having a bad day, eh? Nab, you can stop being worried that I'll hunt you down. I got something better to do now! Come on John, gimme your address -- if you don't give it, then you must be afraid of the legal consequences, eh? I'm on record here many times in a confessional mode with my heart on my sleeve. I've admitted to making a ton of mistakes -- even being overly angry in my responses to others here, but I don't see much humility in your posts. And my memory is spot on about that day I heard Charlie talk about Jesus and the spaceship and the pyramid. He fucking said it. Yet, I'm scratching a bloody furrow in my scalp here, because you have this good side that you present, and you obviously have wonderful tender feelings and thoughts and a good soul -- from time to time. Here's John's words from a previous post: Brahmachari Satyanand had been a disciple of Guru Dev for many years. He later worked with Maharishi Mahesh Yogi to help bring Transcendental Meditation to the world. I had the great honor of having met and spoken with him two times. -John Manning Now, I ask you, John, if Brahmachari Satyanand (I've never heard a bad word about him.) was a regular poster here, would you have still called me a liar and a fuckhead? Would you like to re-write your response? I can let bygones be bygones if you'll merely admit that I was telling the truth as far as I could tell but that you think I was wrongly remembering the incident. That I can do, but letting you call me a liar (a mindful intent to be immoral on my part is the accusation, right?) and a fuckhead (er, are you saying that I'm somehow involved with an orifice of some gargantuanosity into which a my head is inserted repeatedly for some sort of deviant and sick entertainment? Or, are you saying that my head should be fucked? Confused here if you're really trying to get a slander suit going, or if you're gay and coming on to me. So, I await your definition so that I can explain your words to my lawyers.) Can you admit to not having been at that Berkeley Center meeting? Can you come up with one reason why I might lie about Charlie in such a manner if I didn't think it was true? Just to be sure you understand me, I would think that if I lied about such a thing that I would be, yes, a liar and fuckhead and that I should be abused no end for it. So, when you accuse me of such a dastardly crime, I'm pretty much okay with getting revengeful on your ass. The swiftness of the appearance of your anger bespeaks of some other source that has nothing to do with me, but I'm your target? Kick the dog? Someone you love dying? What? If so, stop now, cuz I'm retired and got the cash and my lawyers love me cuz I'm putting their kids through college. I think lawsuits are funzies! It's a hobby of mine. Just now finishing up one -- which I'm winning hands down -- and I'll have to fill the upcoming void. You want a piece of me? I'm rubbing my hands in glee! Give your address or be exposed as a coward who won't stand behind his slander once it's been loosed upon the world. Edward William (aka Edg) Duveyoung -- waiting for a moral act by John Manning in front of a group of his peers. Go fuck yourself, little man.
[FairfieldLife] Re: GULLIBLE FOOL IS A NAZI
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip All that gullible_fool fool did was crush a cockroach underfoot, one that had wandered into an otherwise clean and pleasant kitchen and started leaving its stink and dis-ease everywhere. The only problem with his action was that it wasn't permanent enough. off_world has now posted 43 times this week, and is being allowed to get away with acting like a 6-year-old schoolyard bully acting out after one of his victims punched him in the nose and made him cry in front of the other kids he's consistently tried to intimidate. I say step on him again, and this time wiggle your foot a couple of times to be sure. You're really experiencing a lot of anxiety about your move to Spain, aren't you? The unpleasantness quotient of most of your posts so far this week has been *extremely* high, even for you, one hate-filled post after another. Were you planning to leave all your Bad Stuff back in France, perchance, like you hoped you'd be able to leave it back in the U.S.? And now that you've realized you took it with you across the Atlantic, did you think maybe it would be different this time, and if you could just get away from France, you'd be really rid of it? Is that why you're in such a tizzy about which of your material things you're going to take and which you're going to leave behind? Is that your mind's disguise for your anxiety about whether you're going to be able to leave your psychic Bad Stuff behind? But down deep, where a little tiny piece of you is still in touch with reality, you're afraid that ain't gonna happen (and it ain't), so you're taking your terror out on all your enemies here. Touche! Object lesson: Monsieur Wright.:-)
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Time to vote -- Who's a bigger liar and fuckhead? John or Edg?
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Duveyoung Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 5:16 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Time to vote -- Who's a bigger liar and fuckhead? John or Edg? Anyone here want to give me John Manning's street address? Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called sons of God (Matthew 5:9). No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.9/975 - Release Date: 8/26/2007 9:34 PM
[FairfieldLife] FF restaurant threatens lawsuit over blog entry
http://tinyurl.com/2e7h59 Owner of Fairfield's Vivo Restaurant Hires Attorney I have never gotten a thank you from anyone who owns a restaurant which serves food I have celebrated. On the other hand, I did just get a call from an attorney hired by the owner of Vivo, a restaurant that served me four meals that I found not to my liking, and blogged about it. I never expect a thank you from positive reviews. The question is, what do I expect from a negative review? Honestly, I never expected a response from the owner of Vivo. And perhaps that is due to my ignorance of living in a small town - I assume I am still living in a larger urban environment where my blog, like most peoples online presence, is lost in the chatter. There are over 50 million non A-list blogs - what are the chances that any owner of a restaurant I write about will read my comments on their food? Answer: the owner of restaurant in a small town. If a newspaper says good things about a restaurant, the owners of that restaurant will cut that article out and frame it in their entryway. If a newspaper says bad things about a restaurant, I doubt the owners hire an attorney. I have yet to see a restaurant display a positive review from a blog, nor have I heard of a blog's negative food review drawing the attention of an attorney (these are just my perceptions - they could be completely inaccurate). I assume the reason for this is because aside from some sort of A-list food critic blog, the attention doesn't really mean much. It's just some blogger with an opinion - and you know what they say about opinions . . . So back to Vivo. Last week the owner called me and asked if I would take down the article. I said I would edit it. I've made a couple edits in an attempt to make the review less harsh and I have asked friends if the article is mean or defamatory. The response I've gotten is that the article is about a bad food experience, and not an attack on anyone or business. This morning I get a call from an attorney representing the owner of Vivo. He told me that the article was malicious and requested that it be taken down. I asked him what was malicious about it. He said the tone was malicious. I said, send me an email or letter stating what should be changed to make the article not malicious and I will make those changes. He refused to do that or cooperate/work with me in any way. His purpose in this matter is to get the article removed, and in my perception, silence my opinion. I ended the call once it was clear he was not going to work with me to edit the parts perceived as malicious. To be clear, when someone uses the word malicious, I take that to mean intent to cause harm to another. The article was not intended to cause anyone harm. It's a food review - a bad food review. Nothing more. I've thought a lot about it lately. I mean, I don't want to cause anyone distress - this is certainly not my intent. So why not remove the article? Well, on one hand that would be so easy, but on the other hand it feels like not being honest. My blog is an online diary plain and simple. I write about what's on my mind when I have time. Do I only write about the good stuff? What's my responsibility as a blogger? What's my responsibility as a blogger in a small town?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Time to vote -- Who's a bigger liar and fuckhead? John or Edg?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone here want to give me John Manning's street address? Anyone? I'll keep you as my source a secret as far as I legally can, and pledge not to reveal it here. Probably, I could google it and find it, but maybe one of you knows the most recent address. Edg LOL! Good luck, you impotent low-life lying clown.
[FairfieldLife] Re: My favorite Charlie Lutes story
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is when I got stuck being door guy at Maharishi's door the night before the second Merv taping. Charlie arrived, I went inside and told one of the guys inside that he was there, watched him walk up to Maharishi and tell him that Charlie was there, and then come back to me and say, Maharishi said to have him wait. Charlie waited, fuming. He stood there for a while, among all the dozen or so other people waiting outside the door, and then he started to pace. Finally, after about half an hour, he announced in a large voice, It's been over an hour! I wouldn't wait an hour to see Jesus Christ. I'm leaving. And he did. *That* is Charlie Lutes. He wanted what he had at the very beginning of the TM movement, to be special. He was kept out of the room because some important network people were in there and Maharishi was afraid he'd embarrass him. And, rather than wait outside with all the other peons, Charlie stalked off in a snit, and then made up a grand paranoid tale about Jerry's minions keeping him out of the room. *Maharishi* kept him out of the room, and kept him waiting in the hallway with all the other peons. And Charlie was too special to wait with all the others. Half an hour among the Great Unwashed was as far as his devotion went. Yeah, Charlie was special all right. In the same place that *his* minions were -- and seemingly are still -- special. In their minds. In FFL #145532 Re: Jerry Jarvis's disassociation from TM org- anything to do with Sidhis ? Mainstream20016 wrote: Wasn't Charlie a big front-man for 'fly like Superman' ?... do.rflex wrote: No. Charlie told me that he told Maharishi he thought it was nonsense and a mistake. Mainstream writes: Yet, I attended a 1982 or '83 Iowa City Charlie Lutes' lecture, at which Charlie boasted that MMY gave Charlie the title The First World Governor of the Age of Enlightenment, presumably because Charlie was the earliest adopter of the TM Sidhi program. Perhaps Charlie did tell Maharishi the Sidhi program was a mistake, but probably not on the same day MMY showered Charlie with that title.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Alex, no need for all these thousand names if one has Lalita. To the best of my knowledge, I don't have Lalita, so the need for the thousand names remains. (Actually, I claim no need for any of those recordings. They came my way, and I'm just passing them on.) - Original Message - From: Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 8:59 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios Ok, I've downloaded all the CL audio files and uploaded them to my webserver. http://alex.natel.net/ffl/audio/
[FairfieldLife] Re: My favorite Charlie Lutes story
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip In FFL #145532 Re: Jerry Jarvis's disassociation from TM org- anything to do with Sidhis ? Mainstream20016 wrote: Wasn't Charlie a big front-man for 'fly like Superman' ?... do.rflex wrote: No. Charlie told me that he told Maharishi he thought it was nonsense and a mistake. Mainstream writes: Yet, I attended a 1982 or '83 Iowa City Charlie Lutes' lecture, at which Charlie boasted that MMY gave Charlie the title The First World Governor of the Age of Enlightenment, presumably because Charlie was the earliest adopter of the TM Sidhi program. According to what I heard from an insider, MMY wouldn't give Charlie the TM-Sidhis--he told him he'd gotten them in a previous life. If this is true, maybe MMY gave Charlie the title as a sort of consolation prize?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Time to vote -- Who's a bigger liar and fuckhead? John or Edg?
Judy, I don't think my record here would support anyone thinking that I have tossed my hat into the Barry camp. In fact, he's called me on my shit more than anyone here, but he's always done it with a tender touch if you ask me. I try to be respectful of his odd stuff, cuz GAWD I've got odd stuff too. You, Judy, I've tried as hard as possible not to besmirch, cuz, I sure don't want any of the hot lead you throw at Barry. Why are you coming out so strongly when I am testifying, not to an opinion, but to an actual memory of mine? And why are you not commenting on John's name calling? If you respect John, then why are you supporting that kind of activity, I'd be the first to try to let someone I respected know how they're coming off and how at risk their reputation is. Didn't I actually pad my response with noting John's good qualities? Why such a forthright dumping of me when so clearly I was trying to give John a face saving out? Seems I've been rubbing you wrongly for some time now, and only now does the boil pop. And after I laid into Nab, you chided me on the lowness of my response, (and thanks for that, and yet, may I say, it was one of my finer put downs?) and I saw that as a correct admonishment of me, yet a fuckhead from John is not equally consider to be low by you? And you too now use the word with what I would call a very energetic power behind the use -- WTF? I did something so wrong that now you're fully loaded and coming out shooting? I'm trying to understand you. Honest to fucking hell! Judy, this is an actual situation where a lawsuit could be started, and you might find yourself spending a bit of dough just to answer the court documents served to get your explanation of your words here. Can you afford such a fight? I'm not saying you slandered me, cuz you were giving an opinion. John says plainly that I am a liar. Are you saying I'm a liar also? If so, give me your street address too! I don't care if I win. I just want to see the Judge's face when he has to process John and tries to see his side of the story -- after reading the posts of John with my yellow highlighting. That's the payoff for me -- seeing someone like John being honestly looked at by a Judge and knowing that everyone in the room agrees with the Judge. That's a very rare event in this world, and I've paid thousands upon thousands to get it. Stand back, Judy. I'm just that kind of guy who blows money like this. I paid my lawyer over six grand to watch me being deposed in my present lawsuit, and because we were so prepared, we both got to see the other side sweating profusely as point after point was lost by them, because we had our shit together and our facts were documented up the yinyang. They were made to be fools by their unpreparedness. Today, they'll trying to get a settlement negotiation underway. That's the kind of pleasure John is offering me now. Worth every dime to someone like me who's taken it up the ass way too many times. Someone has to stand up to trolls. Rick isn't doing it. Me, I'm just pissy enough. Yep. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: Gang, let's take a vote! Who's a bigger liar and fuckhead? John or Edg? You're a bigger fuckhead by far (if at least partly because you're into sticking your neck out and calling attention to yourself). You get big fuckhead points from me--hypocrite variety--because of your ongoing mutual ass- kissing relationship with Barry, who's by far the biggest fuckhead *and* liar on this forum. You also get hypocrite points for reacting to John as you have after you laid into Nablus in a significantly more vicious fashion than John has gone after you. I've never known John to lie. I haven't seen any lies from you, but I haven't known you for anywhere near as long. If I were forced to choose between your word and John's on something I didn't know anything about, I'd take John's. I await the decision of the group. Right now, I'd say John'll get four votes automatically, but after that, he might be in for an onslaught of naysayers. I'm thinking I'm going to win, cuz I haven't been here long enough to stomp on many toes -- hee hee, but John, it seems you are a well known by many here -- are you on the thin ice I think you are? To my knowledge, there are three people here who are familiar with John--Alex, Barry, and myself. I don't think anyone else knows him any better than you do; you both arrived, I believe, around the same time. I don't know how Alex feels about John. Barry hates him because John sees right through Barry's phony act, as many others did on alt.m.t. I consider myself fortunate to have John as a friend. It's a relationship that was forged in a great deal of Sturm und Drang and is all the more valuable for that. If you were to read a selection
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF restaurant threatens lawsuit over blog entry
Your responsiblity is up to you, but I'd say, make them take the blog out of your cold dead hand. Fight them to the last dime you have. That is, if you are truly innocent and acting within your rights. Consult a lawyer. If he says go for it, then I'd say, first thing to do is write up the process so far and post that on you blog too! Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://tinyurl.com/2e7h59 Owner of Fairfield's Vivo Restaurant Hires Attorney I have never gotten a thank you from anyone who owns a restaurant which serves food I have celebrated. On the other hand, I did just get a call from an attorney hired by the owner of Vivo, a restaurant that served me four meals that I found not to my liking, and blogged about it. I never expect a thank you from positive reviews. The question is, what do I expect from a negative review? Honestly, I never expected a response from the owner of Vivo. And perhaps that is due to my ignorance of living in a small town - I assume I am still living in a larger urban environment where my blog, like most peoples online presence, is lost in the chatter. There are over 50 million non A-list blogs - what are the chances that any owner of a restaurant I write about will read my comments on their food? Answer: the owner of restaurant in a small town. If a newspaper says good things about a restaurant, the owners of that restaurant will cut that article out and frame it in their entryway. If a newspaper says bad things about a restaurant, I doubt the owners hire an attorney. I have yet to see a restaurant display a positive review from a blog, nor have I heard of a blog's negative food review drawing the attention of an attorney (these are just my perceptions - they could be completely inaccurate). I assume the reason for this is because aside from some sort of A-list food critic blog, the attention doesn't really mean much. It's just some blogger with an opinion - and you know what they say about opinions . . . So back to Vivo. Last week the owner called me and asked if I would take down the article. I said I would edit it. I've made a couple edits in an attempt to make the review less harsh and I have asked friends if the article is mean or defamatory. The response I've gotten is that the article is about a bad food experience, and not an attack on anyone or business. This morning I get a call from an attorney representing the owner of Vivo. He told me that the article was malicious and requested that it be taken down. I asked him what was malicious about it. He said the tone was malicious. I said, send me an email or letter stating what should be changed to make the article not malicious and I will make those changes. He refused to do that or cooperate/work with me in any way. His purpose in this matter is to get the article removed, and in my perception, silence my opinion. I ended the call once it was clear he was not going to work with me to edit the parts perceived as malicious. To be clear, when someone uses the word malicious, I take that to mean intent to cause harm to another. The article was not intended to cause anyone harm. It's a food review - a bad food review. Nothing more. I've thought a lot about it lately. I mean, I don't want to cause anyone distress - this is certainly not my intent. So why not remove the article? Well, on one hand that would be so easy, but on the other hand it feels like not being honest. My blog is an online diary plain and simple. I write about what's on my mind when I have time. Do I only write about the good stuff? What's my responsibility as a blogger? What's my responsibility as a blogger in a small town?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Time to vote -- Who's a bigger liar and fuckhead? John or Edg?
Well, to state the obvious, John never hearing Charlie talk about Jesus in a spaceship does not constitute evidence that Charlie never talked about Jesus in a spaceship. The Charlieism that always stands out in my mind is his light in the loafers comment that always accompanied his explanation of homosexuality. Someone should have taken him to a gay leather bar and introduced him to some leather-clad muscle bears. Charlie was a nelly little queen compared to some gay men.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Time to vote -- Who's a bigger liar and fuckhead? John or Edg?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Judy, I don't think my record here would support anyone thinking that I have tossed my hat into the Barry camp. In fact, he's called me on my shit more than anyone here, but he's always done it with a tender touch if you ask me. I try to be respectful of his odd stuff, cuz GAWD I've got odd stuff too. There's odd stuff that deserves respect--or at least tolerance--and odd stuff that deserves scorn and condemnation, IMHO. snip Why are you coming out so strongly when I am testifying, not to an opinion, but to an actual memory of mine? And why are you not commenting on John's name calling? I was responding to *your post*, Edg. You asked questions, I gave you my answers. You don't like them. Tough. Don't ask if you don't want to know what people think. If you respect John, then why are you supporting that kind of activity, I'd be the first to try to let someone I respected know how they're coming off and how at risk their reputation is. For all I know, John is right, and your reputation is the one at risk. As I said, I'd take his word over yours with regard to something about which I had no information. Fortunately, in this case I don't have to take a stand either way regarding what Charlie did or did not say (and if you imagined I did, read what I wrote again). Didn't I actually pad my response with noting John's good qualities? Why such a forthright dumping of me when so clearly I was trying to give John a face saving out? Seems I've been rubbing you wrongly for some time now, and only now does the boil pop. You asked. My guess, BTW, is that John would have taken your out if you weren't being such an ass about suing him. And after I laid into Nab, you chided me on the lowness of my response, (and thanks for that, and yet, may I say, it was one of my finer put downs?) and I saw that as a correct admonishment of me, yet a fuckhead from John is not equally consider to be low by you? And you too now use the word with what I would call a very energetic power behind the use -- WTF? I'll type this very slowly: I WAS RESPONDING TO YOUR POST. snip Judy, this is an actual situation where a lawsuit could be started, Uh, I doubt that very seriously. If your lawyer takes it on, he's a fool. snip Someone has to stand up to trolls. Rick isn't doing it. Me, I'm just pissy enough. Yep. John's not a troll, but there are lots of ways to stand up to posters who say things you don't like that don't involve threatening lawsuits. BTW, read this part of my post again: You're a bigger fuckhead by far (if at least partly because you're into sticking your neck out and calling attention to yourself). That was actually intended as sort of a backhanded compliment. I thought you'd catch it, but you didn't. (What's on the end of your neck?) Few of us could withstand the kind of scrutiny you invite without coming off as a fuckhead. Most of us don't have the guts to invite it.
