[FairfieldLife] Finally, global warming activism that would *work*
I like the enterprising nature of these women in Copenhagen. All they need to do now is to link the free sex they're offering to delegates to the conference to a Do something about it, ferchrissakes vote to put some teeth into global pollution and emissions laws. I think we all know that if they did that they'd even have Shemp and BillyG fighting global warming. :-) Prostitutes Offer Free Climate Summit Sex By Politiken Staff [Danish sex workers are offering free sex to COP15 in order to defend their industry. ] http://www.spiegel.de/international/zeitgeist/bild-665182-38256.html Danish sex workers are offering free sex to COP15 in order to defend their industry. Copenhagen Mayor Ritt Bjerregaard sent postcards to city hotels warning summit guests not to patronize Danish sex workers during the upcoming conference. Now, the prostitutes have struck back, offering free sex to anyone who produces one of the warnings. Copenhagen's city council in conjunction with Lord Mayor Ritt Bjerregaard sent postcards out to 160 Copenhagen hotels urging COP15 guests and delegates to 'Be sustainable - don't buy sex'. [0] http://adserv.quality-channel.de/RealMedia/ads/click_nx.ads/www.spiegel\ .de/international/artikel/1726421...@sub1,Sub2,Top1,Top2,TopRight,Left,R\ ight,Right1,Right2,Right3,Right4,Right5,Middle,Middle1,Middle2,Middle3,B\ ottom,Bottom1,Bottom2,Bottom3,Position1,Position2,x01,x02,x03,x04,x05,x0\ 6,x07,x08,x09,x10,x11,x12,x20,x21,x22,x23,x70,VMiddle2,VMiddle,VRight,Sp\ ezial%21Middle2 Dear hotel owner, we would like to urge you not to arrange contacts between hotel guests and prostitutes, the approach to hotels says. Now, Copenhagen prostitutes are up in arms, saying that the council has no business meddling in their affairs. They have now offered free sex to anyone who can produce one of the offending postcards and their COP15 identity card, according to the Web site avisen.dk. Discrimination According to the report, the move has been organized by the Sex Workers Interest Group (SIO). This is sheer discrimination. Ritt Bjerregaard is abusing her position as Lord Mayor in using her power to prevent us carrying out our perfectly legal job. I don't understand how she can be allowed to contact people in this way, SIO Spokeswoman Susanne Møller tells avisen.dk. Møller adds that it is reprehensible and unfair that Copenhagen politicians have chosen to use the UN Climate Summit as a platform for a hetz against sex workers. But they've done it and we have to defend ourselves, Møller says.
[FairfieldLife] Can MUM provide a control group for this study?
I doubt it. And both BillyG and JohnR are too old for the study (it's looking for men in their twenties). But they might find a few behind barbed wire in the pundits' compound. :-) That said, I think that the statistic quoted in the article is a tad disturbing, for two reasons. First, if single men view porn for an average of 40 minutes three times a week and guys in com- mitted relationships watch porn 1.7 times a week for 20 minutes, 1) that's just *way* too much porn-watching, and 2) doesn't the duration of their porn-watching sessions suggest that the guys with girlfriends just finish faster than the single guys? No wonder they have to watch porn; their girlfriends are probably gettin' it on elsewhere. :-) Men who haven't been exposed to porn are an endangered species. If a guy claims he's never seen a porn, tell him there are a few scientists who would like to have a word with him. A recent study planned to compare men who watched hardcore movies http://www.limelife.com/blog-entry/Girls-Kissing-Girls-and-Liking-It/27\ 690.html with those who didn't, except for one little problem... scientists couldn't find anyone who hadn't been exposed to porn. According to professor Simon Louis Lajeunesse, from the University of Montreal, Canada, the study was meant to study the effects of pornography. The objective of my work, he said, is to observe the impact of pornography on the sexuality of men, and how it shapes their perception of men and women. Unfortunately, his team couldn't find a single man who hadn't been exposed to it. We started our research seeking men in their twenties who had never consumed pornography, he said, but we couldn't find any. The study then morphed into an examination of those who do watch porn, and it was found that single young men view it for an average of 40 minutes three times a week. That's compared to the 1.7 times a week for 20 minutes that guys in committed relationships watch. It's weird to think that porn is so ubiquitous that they couldn't find a single man who hasn't seen it. But then again, sex is the stuff of life, so anyone not aware of it probably doesn't even have a computer. So either the porn-virgin no longer exists, or he's in hiding, trying to stay away from the internet. Call National Geographic if you spot him.
[FairfieldLife] Don't ask. Don't tell.
[Don] http://pictureisunrelated.com/2009/12/04/dont-ask-dont-tell/ http://pictureisunrelated.com/2009/12/04/dont-ask-dont-tell/
[FairfieldLife] Don't ask. Don't tell.
*smirk*
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama's Timing of Troop Withdrawal in Afghanistan
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_...@... wrote: To All: President Obama is planning get the troops out of Afghanistan in time for the next election. If the plan works out, he can say that he finished the war decisively. But in reality, he's actually buying time to build the Afghan army which will eventually carry the responsibility of protecting the current regime in that country. Whether the Afghan army is ready or not, Obama will pull out the troops to protect his own political interest. If he fails to do so, he will be a one term president. In my opinion, the Americans are sick and tired of this war. It is draining the economy and is causing the recession that we're still experiencing now. At this time, we are living on borrowed time as far as the economy is concerned. We cannot continue spending dollars elsewhere without reducing our national debt. If we don't heed the signs, the US economy will collapse. JR Have to wonder if it didn't start a while back.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ebineezer Scrooge
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nelson nelsonriddle2001@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: You exist for some reason and I tend to think the rest of the universe does also. The 'YMMV' at the end of my post stands for 'Your Mileage May Vary.' Obviously it does. I see no reason to assume that there is a reason for my existence in the universe. To do so would entail postulating that the universe is sentient unto itself. I do not so assume. But you can assume it if you want. When you figure out what my purpose is, drop me a line and share it with me, eh? :-) I think it was D. Shimoda that said you are here to find out why you are here sounds logical enough. I don't see why you are pursuing this. I have said clearly that if you want to spend your life trying to figure out the reason for your being here, that's fine with me. It's fine with me if D. Shimoda feels the same way. Me, I'd rather spend my life *being* here. That is fine with me- I just percieved you as being more than the result of random chaos.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dangerous Mysteries of Consciousness
Dogma -- even dogma that seems to explain subjective experiences you've had -- doth NOT equal Truth. Never has, never will. At best believing that it does is a pleasant mind-number, something to keep you from pondering the great questions of life because you've convinced yourself that you already know the answer to them. At worst it's blind adherence to dogma, made even worse by the fact that those spouting dogma often don't even *know* that they are spouting -- and clinging to -- dogma. You're smart enough to know, and to handle being told if you don't. Thanks Turq, i know my experience. Is different from faith or belief. Just is. Is the incredible thing about a human life. Dear Turq of Sitges, is way beyond just a belief or anything you may think you believe. If you just want to argue and contend belief and not go beyond you'll not get out of the mud. That might take some discipline. The knowledge is in the experience and that is self-evident. Spiritual people know their experience. Is the opportunity of a lifetime. And the un-spiritual? By contrast, reading this earnest contending is like watching that mud wrestling at the county fairs. Lot of struggling and not a lot of grace. Will hope for more clarity for you in meditation. Best Regards, -Doug in FF
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dangerous Mysteries of Consciousness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: Believe what you want? Or is it merely Just Another Subjective Experience? Could the experience of enlightenment -- and one's view of what constitutes reality and Truth from the *standpoint* of enlightenment -- be Just Another Subjective Experience? Much of spiritual practice and religion is predicated on a No answer to those last two questions above. They envision the world as a series of hierarchical truths, the highest of which is enlightenment. Anything per- ceived from that level *must*, in their view, be equivalent to Truth. I don't believe this. I think that the view from enlightenment is Just Another Subjective Experience. And I'll continue thinking this even if someone enlightened claims to know for sure that there is such a thing as being Barry. :-) :-) :-) Believe what you want, to be true? And that might well be dangerous according to just the science. Aside from actual spiritual experience. Turq, on the one hand I do worry for you that you seem acting like an obstinate child contending this ignorant un-spiritual position, though I also suspect you are way more knowing, even enlightened by experience, than you let on publicly defending such a position as this guy's denial, as public service. His is the important teaching to discern in a life. a shame to miss the lesson. On this larger skepticism of this guy, there is a beautiful song written about this yearning kind of spiritual struggle. Lord, I cannot let Thee go, Till a blessing Thou bestow; Do not turn away Thy face, Mine's an urgent, pressing case. Dost Thou ask me who I am? Ah! my Lord, Thou know'st my name; Yet the question gives a plea To support my suit with Thee. Thou didst once a wretch behold, In rebellion, blindly bold, Scorn Thy grace, Thy pow'r defy; That poor rebel, Lord, was I. King of Peace http://shapenote.net/74b.htm Jai Adi Shankara, -D in FF
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dangerous Mysteries of Consciousness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: snip Dogma -- even dogma that seems to explain subjective experiences you've had -- doth NOT equal Truth. Never has, never will. At best believing that it does is a pleasant mind-number, something to keep you from pondering the great questions of life because you've convinced yourself that you already know the answer to them. At worst it's blind adherence to dogma, made even worse by the fact that those spouting dogma often don't even *know* that they are spouting -- and clinging to -- dogma. No dogma is *adequate* to explain subjective experience. For that matter, no *explanation* is adequate to explain subjective experience. One suspects that those who brush off subjective experience as adherence to dogma have never had much in the way of subjective experience (that is, have never had much in the way of experience of the nature of consciousness specifically; *all* experience, by definition, is subjective). The Truth of subjective experience of consciousness is self-evident--which, in this context, does not mean obvious. It means no explanation is necessary or even possible; it's evident in terms of itself.
[FairfieldLife] Working proposal for a new movement: the Justice Party
For all the flap we hear from Barry about pseudo feminist who do nothing except whine, he has never said exactly what he thinks real feminist should DO. Well, Violet Socks, whose sense of humor he adores, is leading the way for the formation of a feminist political party and she isn't going to shut up about it. When real feminists get together and DO something, they usually challenge the patriarchy, so Barry should be careful of what he wishes for. RD For past few weeks, we've been talking about the need for a new feminist-progressive movement or party in this country. The Democrats, as is all too clear, are merely Republicans under a different name. From the Stupak Amendment to the Af-Pak surge, from the Wall Street bailout to the healthcare debacle, we might as well be in Bush's third term. Many of us have spent our lives voting for Democrats and sending them money and even volunteering on their campaigns, and for what? For this? After several online working sessions to explore what a new movement or party might look like (starting here http://www.reclusiveleftist.com/2009/11/21/dreaming-of-diocletian/ , and continued with posts tagged `diocletion http://www.reclusiveleftist.com/tag/diocletian/ `), I'd like to share a proposal that I think distills the best of what we've discussed. This would be a feminist-progressive-populist party though we wouldn't call it that. This is what I think we should call it: The Justice Party. http://www.reclusiveleftist.com/2009/12/03/working-proposal-for-a-new-mo\ vement-the-justice-party http://www.reclusiveleftist.com/2009/12/03/working-proposal-for-a-new-m\ ovement-the-justice-party/ http://snipurl.com/tkmob http://snipurl.com/tkmob [http://www.reclusiveleftist.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/ladyjustice.\ jpg]
[FairfieldLife] Walk a Mile in Her Shoes
From my local weekly. Whaddya know, a whole bunch of pseudofeminist *males*, whining about violence against women! What wimps. Watch out for exploding heads on FFL... Male students walk to end violence against women Walk a Mile in Her Shoes at Monmouth U part of global initiative BY DANIEL HOWLEY Staff Writer Thirty male students strapped on stilettos, slipped on pumps and paraded along a mile-long path at Monmouth University to take part in the Walk a Mile in Her Shoes campaign. The Nov. 4 walk, attended by an estimated 300 people, was held in conjunction with the global White Ribbon Campaign, a program for men that aims to end violence against women and girls. It was really impressive, Monmouth University Residence Hall Director Chris McKittrick said last week. I was hoping for maybe 20 to 30 people to show up, and we had 300, McKittrick said. It was impressive to see that solid line of folks from the Wilson Hall steps all the way to the underpass [below Cedar Avenue]. That's about one-fifth of a mile of just people. The two separate initiatives, the Walk a Mile in Her Shoes and White Ribbon campaigns, both seek to raise awareness of violence against women by men, McKittrick said. The mission of the White Ribbon Campaign (www.whiteribbon.ca), a worldwide initiative, is to end violence against women perpetrated by men, McKittrick explained A lot of colleges and universities are bringing the White Ribbon Campaign to student groups for men to help encourage men on campus to stand up and end violence against women, McKittrick explained At the point where the walk ended, a sign explained that for each step participants took, one woman would die as a result of domestic violence this year Read more: http://atlanticville.gmnews.com/news/2009/1203/front_page/004.html http://tinyurl.com/ybx4alj
[FairfieldLife] Savino addresses NY Senate on gay marriage
Amazing speech from State Senator Diane Savino from Staten Island, urging the New York Senate to vote for the gay marriage bill. It lost, but Savino makes the case brilliantly, commonsensically, and very movingly, with delightfully witty accents: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCFFxidhcy0
[FairfieldLife] David Hume on FFL
From David Hume's Enquiry Concerning the Principles of Morals. Sound like anybody we know? Disputes with men pertinaciously obstinate in their principles are, of all others, the most irksome; except, perhaps, those with persons entirely disingenuous, who really do not believe the opinions they defend, but engage in the controversy from affectation, from a spirit of opposition, or from a desire of showing wit and ingenuity superior to the rest of mankind. The same blind adherence to their own arguments is to be expected in both; the same contempt of their antagonists; and the same passionate vehemence, in inforcing sophistry and falsehood.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Walk a Mile in Her Shoes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: From my local weekly. Whaddya know, a whole bunch of pseudofeminist *males*, whining about violence against women! What wimps. Watch out for exploding heads on FFL... Great story. Violence against women by men cannot end unless men are willing to speak out against it. Men who ridicule feminist men shouldn't get any nookie. Male students walk to end violence against women Walk a Mile in Her Shoes at Monmouth U part of global initiative BY DANIEL HOWLEY Staff Writer Thirty male students strapped on stilettos, slipped on pumps and paraded along a mile-long path at Monmouth University to take part in the Walk a Mile in Her Shoes campaign. The Nov. 4 walk, attended by an estimated 300 people, was held in conjunction with the global White Ribbon Campaign, a program for men that aims to end violence against women and girls. It was really impressive, Monmouth University Residence Hall Director Chris McKittrick said last week. I was hoping for maybe 20 to 30 people to show up, and we had 300, McKittrick said. It was impressive to see that solid line of folks from the Wilson Hall steps all the way to the underpass [below Cedar Avenue]. That's about one-fifth of a mile of just people. The two separate initiatives, the Walk a Mile in Her Shoes and White Ribbon campaigns, both seek to raise awareness of violence against women by men, McKittrick said. The mission of the White Ribbon Campaign (www.whiteribbon.ca), a worldwide initiative, is to end violence against women perpetrated by men, McKittrick explained A lot of colleges and universities are bringing the White Ribbon Campaign to student groups for men to help encourage men on campus to stand up and end violence against women, McKittrick explained At the point where the walk ended, a sign explained that for each step participants took, one woman would die as a result of domestic violence this year Read more: http://atlanticville.gmnews.com/news/2009/1203/front_page/004.html http://tinyurl.com/ybx4alj
[FairfieldLife] Re: Savino addresses NY Senate on gay marriage
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: Amazing speech from State Senator Diane Savino from Staten Island, urging the New York Senate to vote for the gay marriage bill. It lost, but Savino makes the case brilliantly, commonsensically, and very movingly, with delightfully witty accents: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCFFxidhcy0 Well, that's 7 minutes and 33 seconds that I'll never get back. If that is what constitutes brilliant and common sense to you, Judy, and you found it moving you must have a very low threshold in order to inspire you. You are prime material for jackboot thugs to recruit you into some totalitarian movement for implementation of their World Plan or World Government. And which delightful witty accents are you referring to? If anything, I heard a suggestion of a toidy-toid street origin but only slightly and nothing to write home about. Witty? How about cliche-ish? Not an original thought in there. Indeed, the usual platitudes weren't even delivered with any aplomb whatsoever. This is what I got out of that silly seven minutes of politically correct high-school level tripe: everything that this half-wit Savino said about gay marriage could be said about polygamous marriage, incest marriage, and any other form of union between consenting adults. Indeed, you could replace the words gay marriage in her speech with the words polygamous marriage and it would make equal sense. So tell us, Judy: do you support polygamous marriage equally to your support of gay marriage? How about incest marriage? Gay incest marriage? Gay polygamous marriage? Do tell.
[FairfieldLife] The Results of Slate's Write Like Sarah Palin Contest
Passed along from our dear friend Curtis, who posted this on another forum. Click on each photo to see the next in the series. http://www.slate.com/id/2237261/slideshow/2237294/fs/0//entry/2237295/ http://www.slate.com/id/2237261/slideshow/2237294/fs/0//entry/2237295/ [0] http://www.slate.com/id/2237261/slideshow/2237294/entry/2237297/fs/0//
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Results of Slate's Write Like Sarah Palin Contest
The more I read stuff like this, the more convinced I am that Palin will become the president in 2013. It all sounds too much like Reagan whom the Left dumped on in his pre-presidential years even more than they are doing with Palin. The Left's fear and ostracizing can be read like tea leaves. And it's all so very amusing coming on the heels of the Nobel Peace-Prize winner's 30,000 troop increase in Afghanistan. Are you enjoying whom you voted for, all you peaceniks and lovers of your fellow man? Because he who you helped get elected is killing innocent civilians that otherwise would live long and healthy lives had Obama not done what he is doing with his surge. And did you hear his speech? And his emphasis on winning? Sounded a wee bit like peace with honor didn't it? Enjoy the next three years... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: Passed along from our dear friend Curtis, who posted this on another forum. Click on each photo to see the next in the series. http://www.slate.com/id/2237261/slideshow/2237294/fs/0//entry/2237295/ http://www.slate.com/id/2237261/slideshow/2237294/fs/0//entry/2237295/ [0] http://www.slate.com/id/2237261/slideshow/2237294/entry/2237297/fs/0//
[FairfieldLife] Dollhouse, if only.....
IMO, the second episode last night was the best episode of the series so far. Too bad it took so long for the series to find its stride. The brilliant casting of Summer Glau as a unique character (does she ever NOT play a unique character) and the ensuing story based around her brought the series to a new high. She and other actors in the series really got to work out their chops especially the guy who plays Victor. And we had Ray Wise introducing his skills to the series too. It was also very hilarious episode that had me rolling on the floor. I won't fill in the details as to avoid spoilers but that was a great one! In fact if they had reached this level in the first year there may not have been a cancellation. In fact, there might have been some awards.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Savino addresses NY Senate on gay marriage
Yesterday, I sent this story to my state senator, Becky Schmitz who is a great supporter of same sex couples in Iowa, an Iowa law which will continue to have attacks from the right. Becky has taken a lot of flack for her position. It's going to make her fight to win reelection in 2010 more difficult. I fantasized Becky making a speech in the Senate similar to Savino's where she says, On my way to Des Moines from Fairfield this morning, an Amish guy driving a horse and buggy waved me down and asked about my position on same sex marriage... I loved Savino's line, Do you really think we're ready for that kind of commitment? Brilliant. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: Amazing speech from State Senator Diane Savino from Staten Island, urging the New York Senate to vote for the gay marriage bill. It lost, but Savino makes the case brilliantly, commonsensically, and very movingly, with delightfully witty accents: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCFFxidhcy0
[FairfieldLife] The Chronic Dependence of Popular Religiosity upon Dysfunctional Psychosociological Conditions
The Successful Societies Scale: The First Broad Based Statistical Tool for Comparing Prosperous Nation’s Socioeconomic Conditions Reveals How Dysfunctional Psychosociological Conditions Underlie the Origin and Evolution of High Levels of Popular Religious http://www.epjournal.net/filestore/EP07398441_c.pdf A tough read as it is a research paper but it suports that the more secular a society is the more successful it is.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Savino addresses NY Senate on gay marriage
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcg...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Amazing speech from State Senator Diane Savino from Staten Island, urging the New York Senate to vote for the gay marriage bill. It lost, but Savino makes the case brilliantly, commonsensically, and very movingly, with delightfully witty accents: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCFFxidhcy0 Well, that's 7 minutes and 33 seconds that I'll never get back. If that is what constitutes brilliant and common sense to you, Judy, and you found it moving you must have a very low threshold in order to inspire you. You are prime material for jackboot thugs to recruit you into some totalitarian movement for implementation of their World Plan or World Government. And which delightful witty accents are you referring to? If anything, I heard a suggestion of a toidy-toid street origin but only slightly and nothing to write home about. Witty? How about cliche-ish? Not an original thought in there. Indeed, the usual platitudes weren't even delivered with any aplomb whatsoever. This is what I got out of that silly seven minutes of politically correct high-school level tripe: everything that this half-wit Savino said about gay marriage could be said about polygamous marriage, incest marriage, and any other form of union between consenting adults. Indeed, you could replace the words gay marriage in her speech with the words polygamous marriage and it would make equal sense. So tell us, Judy: do you support polygamous marriage equally to your support of gay marriage? How about incest marriage? Gay incest marriage? Gay polygamous marriage? Do tell. Ready the fainting couch. Shemp has the vapors. Mention anything gay and he gets hives. Shemp: It does not affect your daily life very much if your neighbor marries a box turtle. But that does not mean it is right... Now you must raise your children up in a world where that union of man and box turtle is on the same legal footing as man and wife. http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/About/AboutUs.htm
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unemployment dropped to 10.0% in November
do.rflex wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: Result of temporary Christmas hiring. Happens every year. Many will be laid off in January. The decrease in unemployment numbers has been occurring since January and it certainly isn't all due to Christmas hiring. In the strongest employment report since the recession began nearly two years ago, the government said Friday that the nation's employers had all but stopped shedding jobs in November, taking some of the pressure off of President Obama to come up with a wide-ranging jobs creation program. The Labor Department reported that the United States economy lost 11,000 jobs in November, and the unemployment rate fell to 10 percent, down from 10.2 percent in October. The government also significantly revised its September and October job loss estimates. September's data was adjusted to show a loss of 139,000 jobs instead of 219,000, and in October 111,000 jobs were lost, instead of 190,000. Even allowing for the November loss, the revisions added 148,000 people to the list of those employed in the United States in November. Though the pace of job loss has been declining since a peak in January, the November number was surprising. Economists had been expecting a turning point to come in the late spring or summer, with employers finally adding workers as a recovery takes hold. The last time the number was so bright was in December 2007, when the economy added 120,000 jobs. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/05/business/economy/05jobs.html?_r=1hp Come up from Brazil and take a look around. The government hasn't been reporting accurate unemployment for years. Many have just given up and don't ask me how they survive. They don't count people like me who do contracting and move in and out of bust and boom periods. And what are the new jobs paying? Probably not the wages some people have been used to earning. I know there are older folks working a Starbucks who probably had much better paying gigs in the past. I also suspect my server at the restaurant the other day (notches above what you'd expect) also took the job paying less than what he was earning. The Republicans trashed the US Economy and sold our asses to the Chinese. And I don't expect Obama, who seems to have been part of a secret (or not so) Wall Street coup, to produce miracles. And given the report on the coming ice age (the one the other day was not the first) we should all be joining you. In fact when I read the first report from the Pentagon several years ago a song let's all move down to South America popped into my head loosely based on that old movie theater snack ad let's go out to the lobby. ;-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unemployment dropped to 10.0% in November
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: do.rflex wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Result of temporary Christmas hiring. Happens every year. Many will be laid off in January. The decrease in unemployment numbers has been occurring since January and it certainly isn't all due to Christmas hiring. In the strongest employment report since the recession began nearly two years ago, the government said Friday that the nation's employers had all but stopped shedding jobs in November, taking some of the pressure off of President Obama to come up with a wide-ranging jobs creation program. The Labor Department reported that the United States economy lost 11,000 jobs in November, and the unemployment rate fell to 10 percent, down from 10.2 percent in October. The government also significantly revised its September and October job loss estimates. September's data was adjusted to show a loss of 139,000 jobs instead of 219,000, and in October 111,000 jobs were lost, instead of 190,000. Even allowing for the November loss, the revisions added 148,000 people to the list of those employed in the United States in November. Though the pace of job loss has been declining since a peak in January, the November number was surprising. Economists had been expecting a turning point to come in the late spring or summer, with employers finally adding workers as a recovery takes hold. The last time the number was so bright was in December 2007, when the economy added 120,000 jobs. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/05/business/economy/05jobs.html?_r=1hp Come up from Brazil and take a look around. The government hasn't been reporting accurate unemployment for years. Many have just given up and don't ask me how they survive. They don't count people like me who do contracting and move in and out of bust and boom periods. And what are the new jobs paying? Probably not the wages some people have been used to earning. I know there are older folks working a Starbucks who probably had much better paying gigs in the past. I also suspect my server at the restaurant the other day (notches above what you'd expect) also took the job paying less than what he was earning. The Republicans trashed the US Economy and sold our asses to the Chinese. And I don't expect Obama, who seems to have been part of a secret (or not so) Wall Street coup, to produce miracles. And given the report on the coming ice age (the one the other day was not the first) we should all be joining you. In fact when I read the first report from the Pentagon several years ago a song let's all move down to South America popped into my head loosely based on that old movie theater snack ad let's go out to the lobby. ;-) I suppose you think that all of the following which has happened since Obama took office in January is ALSO lies from the government: ~~U.S. Enters Recovery as Stimulus Refutes Skeptics~~ Bloomberg: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087sid=a7iQTrYFwTtY ~~U.S. Economy Gets Lift From Stimulus~~ Wall Street Journal: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125185379218478087.html ~~Germany, France out of recession~~ Guardian [UK]: http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2009/aug/13/germany-france-emerge-recession ~~Japan Steps out of Recession~~ BBC: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8205072.stm ~~UK Officially Out of Recession~~ http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2009/sep/08/uk-factory-output-recession-recovery ~~Across the nation, housing starts are rising~~ Journal Sentinal: http://www.jsonline.com/business/53623677.html ~~Retail sales rose at the swiftest rate in three years in August~~ http://www.forbes.com/2009/09/15/briefing-americas-open-markets-equities-retail.html ~~U.S. household wealth up for first time since 2007~~ http://www.reuters.com/article/marketsNews/idUSN173520090917 ~~US leading economic index up for fifth month in a row~~ http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20090921/ts_alt_afp/useconomygrowthindex ~~Obama loan relief plan hits goal early ~~ http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gOGPH5tuY5PvE2_kbh0FBQPiqnUQD9B6V5IO3 ~~Obama's mortgage relief program growing ~~ http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090909/ap_on_re_us/us_foreclosure_aid ~~Dow passes 10,000 mark on earnings optimism~~first time in a year http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE5881Q720091014 ~~GDP Grew 3.2 percent as Stimulus Took Hold: U.S. Economy Preview~~ http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087sid=aDGvmWmB18w0 ~~Jobs outlook brightens - National Association for Business Economics says more U.S. firms are planning to hire and increase investment in the next six months~~~ http://money.cnn.com/2009/10/26/news/economy/NABE/?postversion=2009102612 ~~U.S. Goods Orders Rise for Fourth Time in Six Months ~~
[FairfieldLife] Re: Savino addresses NY Senate on gay marriage
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcg...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Amazing speech from State Senator Diane Savino from Staten Island, urging the New York Senate to vote for the gay marriage bill. It lost, but Savino makes the case brilliantly, commonsensically, and very movingly, with delightfully witty accents: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCFFxidhcy0 Well, that's 7 minutes and 33 seconds that I'll never get back. You must have realized after the first 30 seconds that you weren't going to like it, so why did you continue to watch? Not very smart. If that is what constitutes brilliant and common sense to you, Judy, and you found it moving you must have a very low threshold in order to inspire you. You are prime material for jackboot thugs to recruit you into some totalitarian movement for implementation of their World Plan or World Government. See post #235958. And which delightful witty accents are you referring to? If anything, I heard a suggestion of a toidy-toid street origin but only slightly and nothing to write home about. That's accents as in touches.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Savino addresses NY Senate on gay marriage
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Amazing speech from State Senator Diane Savino from Staten Island, urging the New York Senate to vote for the gay marriage bill. It lost, but Savino makes the case brilliantly, commonsensically, and very movingly, with delightfully witty accents: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCFFxidhcy0 Well, that's 7 minutes and 33 seconds that I'll never get back. If that is what constitutes brilliant and common sense to you, Judy, and you found it moving you must have a very low threshold in order to inspire you. You are prime material for jackboot thugs to recruit you into some totalitarian movement for implementation of their World Plan or World Government. And which delightful witty accents are you referring to? If anything, I heard a suggestion of a toidy-toid street origin but only slightly and nothing to write home about. Witty? How about cliche-ish? Not an original thought in there. Indeed, the usual platitudes weren't even delivered with any aplomb whatsoever. This is what I got out of that silly seven minutes of politically correct high-school level tripe: everything that this half-wit Savino said about gay marriage could be said about polygamous marriage, incest marriage, and any other form of union between consenting adults. Indeed, you could replace the words gay marriage in her speech with the words polygamous marriage and it would make equal sense. So tell us, Judy: do you support polygamous marriage equally to your support of gay marriage? How about incest marriage? Gay incest marriage? Gay polygamous marriage? Do tell. Ready the fainting couch. Shemp has the vapors. Mention anything gay and he gets hives. Why would I get hives? I'm all for gay marriage! Aren't you? While I'm for gay marriage, I suspect that you are a prejudiced and biased person and that you are against other forms of marriage between consenting adults. Please correct me if I am wrong. Otherwise you can acknowledge that you are the intolerant bigot that you are. Shemp: It does not affect your daily life very much if your neighbor marries a box turtle. But that does not mean it is right... Now you must raise your children up in a world where that union of man and box turtle is on the same legal footing as man and wife. Despite the quotation marks, I never said the above. This is a fabrication on the part of the bigot Raunchydog. http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/About/AboutUs.htm
[FairfieldLife] Re: Savino addresses NY Senate on gay marriage
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Amazing speech from State Senator Diane Savino from Staten Island, urging the New York Senate to vote for the gay marriage bill. It lost, but Savino makes the case brilliantly, commonsensically, and very movingly, with delightfully witty accents: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCFFxidhcy0 Well, that's 7 minutes and 33 seconds that I'll never get back. You must have realized after the first 30 seconds that you weren't going to like it, so why did you continue to watch? Not very smart. You're right, I knew very early on. But if I commented on the video and in my comments assumed wrongly about the rest of the contents or made a comment that would not have been consistent with the rest of the video, you would have gotten on my case about commenting on a video I didn't see in its entirety. It was out of respect for you that I watched the whole thing...something I won't necessarily do in the future seeing as you are taking me to task for it now. If that is what constitutes brilliant and common sense to you, Judy, and you found it moving you must have a very low threshold in order to inspire you. You are prime material for jackboot thugs to recruit you into some totalitarian movement for implementation of their World Plan or World Government. See post #235958. Okay, so Hume is describing you, Judy, centuries before you were even conceived. So what? I should give him a post-humous medal? And which delightful witty accents are you referring to? If anything, I heard a suggestion of a toidy-toid street origin but only slightly and nothing to write home about. That's accents as in touches.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dollhouse, if only.....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: IMO, the second episode last night was the best episode of the series so far. Agreed. Too bad it took so long for the series to find its stride. Coming just after FOX announced that they were cancelling the season, these two episodes are like a parting Nyaaah nyaaah from Joss Whedon, almost as if he were saying, Yeah, that's right...look what you cancelled, numbnuts. The brilliant casting of Summer Glau as a unique character (does she ever NOT play a unique character) and the ensuing story based around her brought the series to a new high. Agreed again. She was like the AntiTopher. :-) But don't overlook the amazing work by Fran Kranz as Topher and by Enver Gjokaj as...uh...Topher. Enver has consistently been one of the best actors on the series, but this was just brilliant. They must have had so much *FUN* filming this one. She and other actors in the series really got to work out their chops especially the guy who plays Victor. And we had Ray Wise introducing his skills to the series too. It was also very hilarious episode that had me rolling on the floor. I won't fill in the details as to avoid spoilers but that was a great one! In fact if they had reached this level in the first year there may not have been a cancellation. In fact, there might have been some awards. Yup.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Savino addresses NY Senate on gay marriage
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcg...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Amazing speech from State Senator Diane Savino from Staten Island, urging the New York Senate to vote for the gay marriage bill. It lost, but Savino makes the case brilliantly, commonsensically, and very movingly, with delightfully witty accents: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCFFxidhcy0 Well, that's 7 minutes and 33 seconds that I'll never get back. If that is what constitutes brilliant and common sense to you, Judy, and you found it moving you must have a very low threshold in order to inspire you. You are prime material for jackboot thugs to recruit you into some totalitarian movement for implementation of their World Plan or World Government. And which delightful witty accents are you referring to? If anything, I heard a suggestion of a toidy-toid street origin but only slightly and nothing to write home about. Witty? How about cliche-ish? Not an original thought in there. Indeed, the usual platitudes weren't even delivered with any aplomb whatsoever. This is what I got out of that silly seven minutes of politically correct high-school level tripe: everything that this half-wit Savino said about gay marriage could be said about polygamous marriage, incest marriage, and any other form of union between consenting adults. Indeed, you could replace the words gay marriage in her speech with the words polygamous marriage and it would make equal sense. So tell us, Judy: do you support polygamous marriage equally to your support of gay marriage? How about incest marriage? Gay incest marriage? Gay polygamous marriage? Do tell. Ready the fainting couch. Shemp has the vapors. Mention anything gay and he gets hives. Why would I get hives? I'm all for gay marriage! Aren't you? While I'm for gay marriage, I suspect that you are a prejudiced and biased person and that you are against other forms of marriage between consenting adults. Please correct me if I am wrong. Otherwise you can acknowledge that you are the intolerant bigot that you are. Shemp: It does not affect your daily life very much if your neighbor marries a box turtle. But that does not mean it is right... Now you must raise your children up in a world where that union of man and box turtle is on the same legal footing as man and wife. Despite the quotation marks, I never said the above. This is a fabrication on the part of the bigot Raunchydog. http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/About/AboutUs.htm I wouldn't question whether or not Shemp gets the hives or feels icky about gays except the boxturtle argument that he makes attempting to equate gay marriage with gay or straight polygamous or incest marriage is a typical anti-gay meme. So I don't believe him for a minute that he is for gay marriage, otherwise he would have just LOVED Savino's speech. By the way, did you all see Shemp on TV in stilettos Walking a Mile in Her Shoes? He's the guy wearing the PUMA T-shirt. Video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntRB0qXcRWU
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dollhouse, if only.....
TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: IMO, the second episode last night was the best episode of the series so far. Agreed. Too bad it took so long for the series to find its stride. Coming just after FOX announced that they were cancelling the season, these two episodes are like a parting Nyaaah nyaaah from Joss Whedon, almost as if he were saying, Yeah, that's right...look what you cancelled, numbnuts. This might have been filmed before the cancellation though. It's more like they found what the series is supposed to be. Now just get rid of the Eliza's modeling portfolio for the title sequence and they'll be cooking with gas. The brilliant casting of Summer Glau as a unique character (does she ever NOT play a unique character) and the ensuing story based around her brought the series to a new high. Agreed again. She was like the AntiTopher. :-) But don't overlook the amazing work by Fran Kranz as Topher and by Enver Gjokaj as...uh...Topher. Enver has consistently been one of the best actors on the series, but this was just brilliant. They must have had so much *FUN* filming this one. Of course I did in the next paragraph. I just didn't want to give too much away. I wonder if Enver kept imitating Franz's Topher on the set and they decided they had to do something with it. They should have him doing it again as it is hilarious. She and other actors in the series really got to work out their chops especially the guy who plays Victor. And we had Ray Wise introducing his skills to the series too. It was also very hilarious episode that had me rolling on the floor. I won't fill in the details as to avoid spoilers but that was a great one! In fact if they had reached this level in the first year there may not have been a cancellation. In fact, there might have been some awards. Yup.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Please join me in supporting polygamous marriage!
A question, Shemp, do you have even one wife? Or are you one of the many TM brahmacharis? :-D ShempMcGurk wrote: POLYGAMY AROUND THE CORNER REAL Women of Canada - (Realistic, Equal, Active, for Life) Conservative leader, Stephen Harper, and Liberal MP, Tom Wappel, were ridiculed during the same-sex marriage debate last spring when they claimed that the same-sex marriage bill would lead to demands for the legalization of polygamous unions. It turns out, however, that they were right on the mark. Same-sex marriage in Canada has only been legal for about six months, but already the demands for polygamy have been creeping out from the dark shadows and are gradually moving onto centre stage. The issue will soon be before the courts in BC. This court case will result from a situation in the community of Bountiful, situated near Creston, BC, in the interior of the province, that has been the home of a renegade branch of the Church of Latter Day Saints (Mormons). This community's beliefs include polygamy as one of its tenets. It argues that polygamy is a legitimate way of life and marriage. The leader of the community and his assortment of wives have boldly appeared on TV, radio and in print, unabashedly discussing their joy and happiness about being in polygamous relationships and all the supposed advantages, (obviously for the male at least!) The Attorney General of BC, Wally Oppal, has merely blushed and looked the other way, and has not prosecuted the leader of the polygamous community. Why? Because he knows that with the passing of the same-sex marriage legislation, and the protection of religion in the Charter, there has been created serious legal problems for the Crown in prosecuting such a case. That is, to lay a charge of polygamy will be dangerous, since the courts could then follow the identical arguments heard once in the trumped up, same-sex marriage court challenges in 2003. Provincial Attorney General, Oppal, would have happily continued to ignore the polygamous business in Bountiful except for the fact that the Attorney General of Utah, Mark Shurtleff, came calling on him in late November demanding that something be done, as girls as young as 13 years of age have been crossing the border from Utah into Bountiful to be married off to much older men. Another troublesome issue is that some of the polygamous wives in Bountiful have begun to complain about their treatment and their lack of consent to their marriage arrangements. Also, young men have been ejected from the Community in order to avoid a competition for young wives with the older leaders in the community. As a result of these problems, the RCMP has recently undertaken an investigation of Bountiful. Based on the RCMP's findings, the Provincial Attorney General may then be obliged to lay charges against the leaders of the polygamous sect in Bountiful. New Debate on Polygamy If so, a new debate on marriage, to legalize polygamous marriages will hit the public eye. The exact same arguments, that were used to recognize same-sex partnerships as legal marriages, will be heard again. One of these arguments will be that the failure to approve polygamous marriage is due to the stereotypical treatment causing historical disadvantages against people who love each other. Another argument will be that since the courts have conceded that procreation no longer provides sufficient reason to restrict marriage to heterosexuals, then there is no reason to restrict marriage to other sexual arrangements as well. And why not? Take marriage away from its historically recognized essence of one man and one woman, and there is no logical reason to restrict other marital arrangements, such as those who love two women, or bisexuals who have a sexual desire for both sexes. The fact that these arrangements are currently prohibited under the Criminal Code is no argument because homosexual conduct was also illegal until relatively recently. The laws against polygamy can also be similarly changed. What a mess the courts have created! In their zeal to be liberal and progressive and to make the world aware of their trailblazing spirit, the Canadian judges have made fools of themselves and us. They are also tearing down the foundations of society, while establishing a dangerous precipice on which the institution of marriage is now tilting. Polygamy Established Elsewhere Canada, however, isn't the only nation facing the problem of polygamous marriages. For example, Norway's Directorate of Immigration has reported that, despite the illegality of polygamy in Norway, it is becoming increasingly prevalent, since Norway liberalized the marriage laws by allowing legal civil unions for same-sex couples. Now Norwegian men travel abroad to meet and marry women, where polygamy is legal. Then they bring their new wives to
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unemployment dropped to 10.0% in November
do.rflex wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: do.rflex wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Result of temporary Christmas hiring. Happens every year. Many will be laid off in January. The decrease in unemployment numbers has been occurring since January and it certainly isn't all due to Christmas hiring. In the strongest employment report since the recession began nearly two years ago, the government said Friday that the nation's employers had all but stopped shedding jobs in November, taking some of the pressure off of President Obama to come up with a wide-ranging jobs creation program. The Labor Department reported that the United States economy lost 11,000 jobs in November, and the unemployment rate fell to 10 percent, down from 10.2 percent in October. The government also significantly revised its September and October job loss estimates. September's data was adjusted to show a loss of 139,000 jobs instead of 219,000, and in October 111,000 jobs were lost, instead of 190,000. Even allowing for the November loss, the revisions added 148,000 people to the list of those employed in the United States in November. Though the pace of job loss has been declining since a peak in January, the November number was surprising. Economists had been expecting a turning point to come in the late spring or summer, with employers finally adding workers as a recovery takes hold. The last time the number was so bright was in December 2007, when the economy added 120,000 jobs. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/05/business/economy/05jobs.html?_r=1hp Come up from Brazil and take a look around. The government hasn't been reporting accurate unemployment for years. Many have just given up and don't ask me how they survive. They don't count people like me who do contracting and move in and out of bust and boom periods. And what are the new jobs paying? Probably not the wages some people have been used to earning. I know there are older folks working a Starbucks who probably had much better paying gigs in the past. I also suspect my server at the restaurant the other day (notches above what you'd expect) also took the job paying less than what he was earning. The Republicans trashed the US Economy and sold our asses to the Chinese. And I don't expect Obama, who seems to have been part of a secret (or not so) Wall Street coup, to produce miracles. And given the report on the coming ice age (the one the other day was not the first) we should all be joining you. In fact when I read the first report from the Pentagon several years ago a song let's all move down to South America popped into my head loosely based on that old movie theater snack ad let's go out to the lobby. ;-) I suppose you think that all of the following which has happened since Obama took office in January is ALSO lies from the government: ~~U.S. Enters Recovery as Stimulus Refutes Skeptics~~ Bloomberg: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087sid=a7iQTrYFwTtY ~~U.S. Economy Gets Lift From Stimulus~~ Wall Street Journal: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125185379218478087.html ~~Germany, France out of recession~~ Guardian [UK]: http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2009/aug/13/germany-france-emerge-recession ~~Japan Steps out of Recession~~ BBC: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8205072.stm ~~UK Officially Out of Recession~~ http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2009/sep/08/uk-factory-output-recession-recovery ~~Across the nation, housing starts are rising~~ Journal Sentinal: http://www.jsonline.com/business/53623677.html ~~Retail sales rose at the swiftest rate in three years in August~~ http://www.forbes.com/2009/09/15/briefing-americas-open-markets-equities-retail.html ~~U.S. household wealth up for first time since 2007~~ http://www.reuters.com/article/marketsNews/idUSN173520090917 ~~US leading economic index up for fifth month in a row~~ http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20090921/ts_alt_afp/useconomygrowthindex ~~Obama loan relief plan hits goal early ~~ http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gOGPH5tuY5PvE2_kbh0FBQPiqnUQD9B6V5IO3 ~~Obama's mortgage relief program growing ~~ http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090909/ap_on_re_us/us_foreclosure_aid ~~Dow passes 10,000 mark on earnings optimism~~first time in a year http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE5881Q720091014 ~~GDP Grew 3.2 percent as Stimulus Took Hold: U.S. Economy Preview~~ http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087sid=aDGvmWmB18w0 ~~Jobs outlook brightens - National Association for Business Economics says more U.S. firms are planning to hire and increase investment in the next six months~~~
[FairfieldLife] Re: Savino addresses NY Senate on gay marriage
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Amazing speech from State Senator Diane Savino from Staten Island, urging the New York Senate to vote for the gay marriage bill. It lost, but Savino makes the case brilliantly, commonsensically, and very movingly, with delightfully witty accents: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCFFxidhcy0 Well, that's 7 minutes and 33 seconds that I'll never get back. If that is what constitutes brilliant and common sense to you, Judy, and you found it moving you must have a very low threshold in order to inspire you. You are prime material for jackboot thugs to recruit you into some totalitarian movement for implementation of their World Plan or World Government. And which delightful witty accents are you referring to? If anything, I heard a suggestion of a toidy-toid street origin but only slightly and nothing to write home about. Witty? How about cliche-ish? Not an original thought in there. Indeed, the usual platitudes weren't even delivered with any aplomb whatsoever. This is what I got out of that silly seven minutes of politically correct high-school level tripe: everything that this half-wit Savino said about gay marriage could be said about polygamous marriage, incest marriage, and any other form of union between consenting adults. Indeed, you could replace the words gay marriage in her speech with the words polygamous marriage and it would make equal sense. So tell us, Judy: do you support polygamous marriage equally to your support of gay marriage? How about incest marriage? Gay incest marriage? Gay polygamous marriage? Do tell. Ready the fainting couch. Shemp has the vapors. Mention anything gay and he gets hives. Why would I get hives? I'm all for gay marriage! Aren't you? While I'm for gay marriage, I suspect that you are a prejudiced and biased person and that you are against other forms of marriage between consenting adults. Please correct me if I am wrong. Otherwise you can acknowledge that you are the intolerant bigot that you are. Shemp: It does not affect your daily life very much if your neighbor marries a box turtle. But that does not mean it is right... Now you must raise your children up in a world where that union of man and box turtle is on the same legal footing as man and wife. Despite the quotation marks, I never said the above. This is a fabrication on the part of the bigot Raunchydog. http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/About/AboutUs.htm I wouldn't question whether or not Shemp gets the hives or feels icky about gays except the boxturtle argument that he makes attempting to equate gay marriage with gay or straight polygamous or incest marriage is a typical anti-gay meme. So I don't believe him for a minute that he is for gay marriage, otherwise he would have just LOVED Savino's speech. By the way, did you all see Shemp on TV in stilettos Walking a Mile in Her Shoes? He's the guy wearing the PUMA T-shirt. Video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntRB0qXcRWU 1) You are calling me a liar. 2) I love movies but I saw a movie this week I can't stand...so why can't I be for gay marriage and be against a boring, cliche-laden speech unoriginally and uninspiringly delivered by a hackneyed, superlative-spouting state senator? 3) I am for all the combination of marriages I outlined equally. Show me one typical anti-gay individual or group that has that same position. 4) raunchydog still won't answer the question about whether or not she support legalizing polygamous marriage because she doesn't want to expose herself as the bigot she is.
[FairfieldLife] Fwd: Special talk by Peter Wallace about Maharishi posted on KHOE
Utterly charming!!! From: Ken Chawkin kchaw...@mum.edu PETER WALLACE SPEAKS TO VEDIC SCIENCE CLASS Click Here http://www.khoe.org/mp3s/Peter%20Wallace%20AA11_07.mp3 to listen to TM movement pioneer Peter Wallace's address to the Masters in Vedic Science class on the campus of Maharishi University of Management. Peter Wallace is the older brother of Keith Wallace, the great TM movement scientist and first president of MIU, now MUM. Peter spent 6 months with Maharishi in India even before he was instructed into TM by Maharishi, and upon his return home, was really responsible for inspiring the start of the SIMS, Student's International Meditation Society, by bringing Keith to meet Maharishi. And the rest is history. Enjoy this special talk!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Please join me in supporting polygamous marriage!
There's a vedic story stating that a woman has nine times the sexual power of a man. So, how would a man satisfy sexually more than one woman in a polygamous marriage? Or, he can die early with a smile on his face? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcg...@... wrote: POLYGAMY AROUND THE CORNER REAL Women of Canada - (Realistic, Equal, Active, for Life) Conservative leader, Stephen Harper, and Liberal MP, Tom Wappel, were ridiculed during the same-sex marriage debate last spring when they claimed that the same-sex marriage bill would lead to demands for the legalization of polygamous unions. It turns out, however, that they were right on the mark. Same-sex marriage in Canada has only been legal for about six months, but already the demands for polygamy have been creeping out from the dark shadows and are gradually moving onto centre stage. The issue will soon be before the courts in BC. This court case will result from a situation in the community of Bountiful, situated near Creston, BC, in the interior of the province, that has been the home of a renegade branch of the Church of Latter Day Saints (Mormons). This community's beliefs include polygamy as one of its tenets. It argues that polygamy is a legitimate way of life and marriage. The leader of the community and his assortment of wives have boldly appeared on TV, radio and in print, unabashedly discussing their joy and happiness about being in polygamous relationships and all the supposed advantages, (obviously for the male at least!) The Attorney General of BC, Wally Oppal, has merely blushed and looked the other way, and has not prosecuted the leader of the polygamous community. Why? Because he knows that with the passing of the same-sex marriage legislation, and the protection of religion in the Charter, there has been created serious legal problems for the Crown in prosecuting such a case. That is, to lay a charge of polygamy will be dangerous, since the courts could then follow the identical arguments heard once in the trumped up, same-sex marriage court challenges in 2003. Provincial Attorney General, Oppal, would have happily continued to ignore the polygamous business in Bountiful except for the fact that the Attorney General of Utah, Mark Shurtleff, came calling on him in late November demanding that something be done, as girls as young as 13 years of age have been crossing the border from Utah into Bountiful to be married off to much older men. Another troublesome issue is that some of the polygamous wives in Bountiful have begun to complain about their treatment and their lack of consent to their marriage arrangements. Also, young men have been ejected from the Community in order to avoid a competition for young wives with the older leaders in the community. As a result of these problems, the RCMP has recently undertaken an investigation of Bountiful. Based on the RCMP's findings, the Provincial Attorney General may then be obliged to lay charges against the leaders of the polygamous sect in Bountiful. New Debate on Polygamy If so, a new debate on marriage, to legalize polygamous marriages will hit the public eye. The exact same arguments, that were used to recognize same-sex partnerships as legal marriages, will be heard again. One of these arguments will be that the failure to approve polygamous marriage is due to the stereotypical treatment causing historical disadvantages against people who love each other. Another argument will be that since the courts have conceded that procreation no longer provides sufficient reason to restrict marriage to heterosexuals, then there is no reason to restrict marriage to other sexual arrangements as well. And why not? Take marriage away from its historically recognized essence of one man and one woman, and there is no logical reason to restrict other marital arrangements, such as those who love two women, or bisexuals who have a sexual desire for both sexes. The fact that these arrangements are currently prohibited under the Criminal Code is no argument because homosexual conduct was also illegal until relatively recently. The laws against polygamy can also be similarly changed. What a mess the courts have created! In their zeal to be liberal and progressive and to make the world aware of their trailblazing spirit, the Canadian judges have made fools of themselves and us. They are also tearing down the foundations of society, while establishing a dangerous precipice on which the institution of marriage is now tilting. Polygamy Established Elsewhere Canada, however, isn't the only nation facing the problem of polygamous marriages. For example, Norway's Directorate of Immigration has reported that, despite the illegality of polygamy in Norway, it is becoming increasingly prevalent, since Norway liberalized the
[FairfieldLife] More lies from Vaj
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On Dec 2, 2009, at 2:18 PM, Sal Sunshine wrote: On Dec 2, 2009, at 11:11 AM, Vaj wrote: snip The much touted study by Schneider on Cardiac health in African Americans that's been pushed all over the internet and posted all over the place--I've received over 30 emails on this one study--not only was never published (let alone peer reviewed) that I can find, it isn't even listed in on the AHA website for the conference it was supposedly presented at. No PDF available. It was never published? I was wondering about that too...I've also gotten several emails touting it. Stupid Sal's been thoroughly skunked by Vaj. No. As I noted on Wednesday, of course it hasn't been published--it was only just completed. Vaj knows this, even if stupid Sal couldn't figure it out. But (as Vaj also knows) Schneider *has* published at least half a dozen studies on the effect of TM on heart health in African Americans, many of which have been pushed all over the internet and posted all over the place. It was just to be presented at the American Heart Association scientific conference last month. No mention, no paper, no abstract, nothing on their website. And as I also noted, it is indeed listed on the AHA conference Web site; it's in the program. I gave the page number and event number in my post on Wednesday. There are no abstracts, PDFs, or anything else for that conference on the Web site that would be accessible to the general public, only to professional AHA members. So this is another deliberately disingenuous red herring from Vaj. Maybe the Journal of Scientific Exploration will take it? Maybe they could consider African-Americans extraterrestrial? : I don't know...is that peer-reviewed and respected? No it's a fringe/UFO and pseudoscience journal that David Orme-Johnson got his recent paper in! If you were a respected scientist it would be one of the last journals you'd ever want to be published in, if anyone was to take you seriously again. But it is peer-reviewed. :-) Not only is it not a UFO or pseudoscience journal, it's also a lie that respected scientists aren't published in it. Taking a quick look at the list of recent authors at the JSE site, I found five names that I recognized, all of whom are most definitely in the respected class: Elizabeth Loftus Robert G. Jahn Dean Radin Ian Stevenson Michael Persinger (Ironic, because Persinger is the author of the distinctly anti-TM book TM and Cult Mania and has published a couple of papers dealing with TM in other journals that TM critics are constantly touting as proving how dangerous TM is.) Vaj would have us believe that papers are published in JSE because they're so poorly done no reputable journal would accept them. It's most likely true that no other reputable journal would accept them, but not necessarily because they're poorly done; it's the subject matter that's the problem. Even the most beautifully done, brilliantly written, airtight study on a topic considered fringe is unlikely to be published in a mainstream journal. It's unlikely even to be *read* by the editors of such a journal. The paper TM published in JSE is a response to a paper by Sales and Markovsky published in a sociology journal that purportedly debunks the famous TM Journal of Conflict Resolution study. The sociology journal refused to publish TM's rebuttal to Sales and Markovsky's paper. The journal is happy to publish papers that claim to debunk nonmainstream theories, but not papers that support such theories or rebut the claimed debunkings. What wonderful scientific ethics. Has Vaj read the paper he's so scornful of, or is his only basis for scorn the fact that it was published in a journal that examines topics mainstream science doesn't dare deal with? If JSE published a paper touting some unusual effects of Buddhist meditation, would he be scornful of it because of the nature of the journal? The *fact* is that Vaj himself has made all kinds of claims that would be considered fringe, if not patently crazy, by mainstream science. Vaj isn't against all things fringe; he's just against TM. He smears a journal that does a highly responsible job of publishing solid scholarly examinations of nonmainstream claims because he's so intent on smearing TM.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Please join me in supporting polygamous marriage!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_...@... wrote: There's a vedic story stating that a woman has nine times the sexual power of a man. So, how would a man satisfy sexually more than one woman in a polygamous marriage? Or, he can die early with a smile on his face? My buddy on one of my TM courses was a neat, down-to-earth guy who was married. I had at the time a fairly serious girlfriend. As a result, we had similar points of view on the newly-in- vogue craze of celibacy among male International staffers. Walking back from a meeting in which several of these Seelisberg limpdicks descended upon us, shaking his head in disbelief, he summed it up perfectly: Scratch a wannabe skin boy and 9 times out of 10 you'll find a guy who's afraid of women and running from his own feelings of sexual inadequacy. Not that that's relevant to anything. I just found myself remembering the moment for some reason. Carry on.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Savino addresses NY Senate on gay marriage
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcg...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: Shemp: It does not affect your daily life very much if your neighbor marries a box turtle. But that does not mean it is right... Now you must raise your children up in a world where that union of man and box turtle is on the same legal footing as man and wife. Despite the quotation marks, I never said the above. This is a fabrication on the part of the bigot Raunchydog. http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/About/AboutUs.htm I wouldn't question whether or not Shemp gets the hives or feels icky about gays except the boxturtle argument that he makes attempting to equate gay marriage with gay or straight polygamous or incest marriage is a typical anti-gay meme. So I don't believe him for a minute that he is for gay marriage, otherwise he would have just LOVED Savino's speech. By the way, did you all see Shemp on TV in stilettos Walking a Mile in Her Shoes? He's the guy wearing the PUMA T-shirt. Video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntRB0qXcRWU 1) You are calling me a liar. 2) I love movies but I saw a movie this week I can't stand...so why can't I be for gay marriage and be against a boring, cliche-laden speech unoriginally and uninspiringly delivered by a hackneyed, superlative-spouting state senator? 3) I am for all the combination of marriages I outlined equally. Show me one typical anti-gay individual or group that has that same position. 4) raunchydog still won't answer the question about whether or not she support legalizing polygamous marriage because she doesn't want to expose herself as the bigot she is. I've never commented on polygamous marriage. Frankly, it's not on my gaydar. It's not an issue I can get excited about one way or another. But if Shemp wants to orangaize a march on Washington in support of it I'm sure he can get at least ten of his wives to wear stilettos with him to airate the lawn on the National Mall.
[FairfieldLife] Women - according to the Vedas
Vedas/Women - from ShriPedia - a knowledge base of Vedanta Excerpt: The VedAs are the edifices of eternal knowledge. They have timeless relevance to the practioners of Sri VisishtAdhvaitham and other darsanams based on Vedic Doctrines. There is a lot there that is absolutely relevant to our contemporary life. As such , the VedAs have everlasting appeal and applicability for all times and nations for men , women and children as the fundamental units of the family . VedAs take a humanistic approach to life. An individual's relation to his or her own family is dwelt at length in the VedAs. The relationship between man and woman, the parents and the children are taken very seriously by VedAs, since it ties in very closely with the health and well being of Society and the preservation of DharmA. The need to develop social consciousness with the family as an elemental unit of society is very important one taught by the Vedaas. Material civilization generates a lot of wealth, but is found wanting in social consciousness and a dharmic way of life stressing one's obligation to the different members of society. DharmA encompasses the entire gamut of life. Pursuit of a dhArmic way of life elaborated by Sruthis and SaasthrAs creates a sound infrastructure to build a sound and stable society that enjoys all the benefits of a higher order of civilization. The MAN-TO-WOMAN relationship is one of the most important subject dealt with by the VedAs instructing us on how to build a sound and stable society , where righteousness prevails. VedAs show a keen interest in the unity of man and woman and spells out their duties, responsibilities and rights. GeethAchAryan elaborates them further. They point out the important role of women in building a fair, stable and just society. Satapatha BrahmaNA passage states unblushingly that only woman fulfills the purposes of human life. It extols the divine aspect of women and declares that women are the embodiment of Sri Devi (SriyA vA yEthath rUpam yathA patnaya:). The modern women may not be familiar with the high status given to women in our religious world and its scriptures. Contrary to the popular belief that VedAs deny freedom to women, it stresses the underlying duty and THE RIGHTS of WOMEN, while focusing on the stability of the family as a unit, which then strengthens the society. It is in this context Vedic thought gave ample room for a personal God to be conceived as divinty in male or female form. Vedic Gods like Ushas (dawn ) are adoringly saluted by the manthrams of Ushas sUktham in Rg Vedam. There are many Rishi pathnis and wives, who have been equally revered in PurANAs (AnusUyA, Kausalya , Damayanthi , Saavithri et al). Vedam describes the wife to be the best friend of the husband AT ALL TIMES. The Vedic obligations are recognized as SamAna (equally moving ), since married men and women move freely in society in pursuit of their complimentary duties, VedAs and Manu Smruthi vividly describe the responsibilities of women in the house as yajamAnis . The importance of women in the economic aspect of the family is fully emphasized and asks men to give the women the responsibility of looking after the family budget. Similarly , maintianing family tradition and strengthening the spiritual affairs of the family is entrusted with the women . IN THE EYE OF THE VEDAS, WOMEN AND MEN ARE EQUALLY IMPORTANT . I will quote now verbatim from AgnihOthram Sri RaamAnuja TatachAr's monograph on the Eternal relevance of VedAs dealing with the role of women in Hindu Society : In the early years of marriage , love has a sexual importance. But with the advance of years, it mellows into a great attachment and affection . No one can disturb this mutual love. Marriage is not made for sexual purpose, BUT FOR A REAL UNITED LIFE The VedAs say that the wife is the only friend of her husbandTheir comradeship is strengthened by day-to-day movements. She never claims superiority over her husband and she is never treated as inferior by her husband. She is the mistress of the house She is a real friend and closely follows her husband in the good and bad of domestic life and takes keen interest in his welfare. She also advises him at times. Smruthi following the direction given by the Vedas states clearly that it is the duty of a wife to correct the mistake of her husband . SitA piraatti did just that in a famous pasage in Srimadh RaamAyaNam in Her conversation with HanumAn inAsOka Vanam. AgnihOthram TatachAr swamy points out a special Vedic term: Purandhi and explains its significance. According to the VedAs, women are more intelligent than men (i.e) she is a purandhi. In AsvanEdhA, there is a prayer that women must be purandhi. By that term, Women's superior intelligence is indicated. According to the VedAs, Woman is a karma yogi. She does duty for duty's sake. She sacrifices her individual pleasure and pain
[FairfieldLife] Re: Please join me in supporting polygamous marriage!
Well, I support that form of marriage in which it is one woman and two or more husbands...sorry, I forget the name of it but Judy knows. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_...@... wrote: There's a vedic story stating that a woman has nine times the sexual power of a man. So, how would a man satisfy sexually more than one woman in a polygamous marriage? Or, he can die early with a smile on his face? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: POLYGAMY AROUND THE CORNER REAL Women of Canada - (Realistic, Equal, Active, for Life) Conservative leader, Stephen Harper, and Liberal MP, Tom Wappel, were ridiculed during the same-sex marriage debate last spring when they claimed that the same-sex marriage bill would lead to demands for the legalization of polygamous unions. It turns out, however, that they were right on the mark. Same-sex marriage in Canada has only been legal for about six months, but already the demands for polygamy have been creeping out from the dark shadows and are gradually moving onto centre stage. The issue will soon be before the courts in BC. This court case will result from a situation in the community of Bountiful, situated near Creston, BC, in the interior of the province, that has been the home of a renegade branch of the Church of Latter Day Saints (Mormons). This community's beliefs include polygamy as one of its tenets. It argues that polygamy is a legitimate way of life and marriage. The leader of the community and his assortment of wives have boldly appeared on TV, radio and in print, unabashedly discussing their joy and happiness about being in polygamous relationships and all the supposed advantages, (obviously for the male at least!) The Attorney General of BC, Wally Oppal, has merely blushed and looked the other way, and has not prosecuted the leader of the polygamous community. Why? Because he knows that with the passing of the same-sex marriage legislation, and the protection of religion in the Charter, there has been created serious legal problems for the Crown in prosecuting such a case. That is, to lay a charge of polygamy will be dangerous, since the courts could then follow the identical arguments heard once in the trumped up, same-sex marriage court challenges in 2003. Provincial Attorney General, Oppal, would have happily continued to ignore the polygamous business in Bountiful except for the fact that the Attorney General of Utah, Mark Shurtleff, came calling on him in late November demanding that something be done, as girls as young as 13 years of age have been crossing the border from Utah into Bountiful to be married off to much older men. Another troublesome issue is that some of the polygamous wives in Bountiful have begun to complain about their treatment and their lack of consent to their marriage arrangements. Also, young men have been ejected from the Community in order to avoid a competition for young wives with the older leaders in the community. As a result of these problems, the RCMP has recently undertaken an investigation of Bountiful. Based on the RCMP's findings, the Provincial Attorney General may then be obliged to lay charges against the leaders of the polygamous sect in Bountiful. New Debate on Polygamy If so, a new debate on marriage, to legalize polygamous marriages will hit the public eye. The exact same arguments, that were used to recognize same-sex partnerships as legal marriages, will be heard again. One of these arguments will be that the failure to approve polygamous marriage is due to the stereotypical treatment causing historical disadvantages against people who love each other. Another argument will be that since the courts have conceded that procreation no longer provides sufficient reason to restrict marriage to heterosexuals, then there is no reason to restrict marriage to other sexual arrangements as well. And why not? Take marriage away from its historically recognized essence of one man and one woman, and there is no logical reason to restrict other marital arrangements, such as those who love two women, or bisexuals who have a sexual desire for both sexes. The fact that these arrangements are currently prohibited under the Criminal Code is no argument because homosexual conduct was also illegal until relatively recently. The laws against polygamy can also be similarly changed. What a mess the courts have created! In their zeal to be liberal and progressive and to make the world aware of their trailblazing spirit, the Canadian judges have made fools of themselves and us. They are also tearing down the foundations of society, while establishing a dangerous precipice on which the institution of marriage is now tilting. Polygamy Established
[FairfieldLife] Re: Please join me in supporting polygamous marriage!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: There's a vedic story stating that a woman has nine times the sexual power of a man. So, how would a man satisfy sexually more than one woman in a polygamous marriage? Or, he can die early with a smile on his face? My buddy on one of my TM courses was a neat, down-to-earth guy who was married. I had at the time a fairly serious girlfriend. As a result, we had similar points of view on the newly-in- vogue craze of celibacy among male International staffers. Walking back from a meeting in which several of these Seelisberg limpdicks At times I was celibate during parts of long-term rounding courses back in the '70s and I can assure you that the opposite of limpdick is the experience. Not ejaculating for any extended period of time produces a disproportionate amount and frequency and strength of one's erections. But I can see how that would be Barry's experience. descended upon us, shaking his head in disbelief, he summed it up perfectly: Scratch a wannabe skin boy and 9 times out of 10 you'll find a guy who's afraid of women and running from his own feelings of sexual inadequacy. Not that that's relevant to anything. I just found myself remembering the moment for some reason. Carry on.
[FairfieldLife] Re: More lies from Vaj
Judy, You're probably the smartest person in the room. But it takes away from both your dignity and your reputation of high intelligence when you DECLARE someone to be lying or that you have THE TRUTH about this or that situation. You sound like Rush Limbaugh who continually tells us he has access to THE TRUTH; same absolutism, different side of the spectrum. Like I've suggested to you before: if you want to win friends and influence people, don't TELL me that Vaj is lying; give me the facts as you see them and order the telling of them in such a way that I will come to that conclusion myself. Much more powerful. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Dec 2, 2009, at 2:18 PM, Sal Sunshine wrote: On Dec 2, 2009, at 11:11 AM, Vaj wrote: snip The much touted study by Schneider on Cardiac health in African Americans that's been pushed all over the internet and posted all over the place--I've received over 30 emails on this one study--not only was never published (let alone peer reviewed) that I can find, it isn't even listed in on the AHA website for the conference it was supposedly presented at. No PDF available. It was never published? I was wondering about that too...I've also gotten several emails touting it. Stupid Sal's been thoroughly skunked by Vaj. No. As I noted on Wednesday, of course it hasn't been published--it was only just completed. Vaj knows this, even if stupid Sal couldn't figure it out. But (as Vaj also knows) Schneider *has* published at least half a dozen studies on the effect of TM on heart health in African Americans, many of which have been pushed all over the internet and posted all over the place. It was just to be presented at the American Heart Association scientific conference last month. No mention, no paper, no abstract, nothing on their website. And as I also noted, it is indeed listed on the AHA conference Web site; it's in the program. I gave the page number and event number in my post on Wednesday. There are no abstracts, PDFs, or anything else for that conference on the Web site that would be accessible to the general public, only to professional AHA members. So this is another deliberately disingenuous red herring from Vaj. Maybe the Journal of Scientific Exploration will take it? Maybe they could consider African-Americans extraterrestrial? : I don't know...is that peer-reviewed and respected? No it's a fringe/UFO and pseudoscience journal that David Orme-Johnson got his recent paper in! If you were a respected scientist it would be one of the last journals you'd ever want to be published in, if anyone was to take you seriously again. But it is peer-reviewed. :-) Not only is it not a UFO or pseudoscience journal, it's also a lie that respected scientists aren't published in it. Taking a quick look at the list of recent authors at the JSE site, I found five names that I recognized, all of whom are most definitely in the respected class: Elizabeth Loftus Robert G. Jahn Dean Radin Ian Stevenson Michael Persinger (Ironic, because Persinger is the author of the distinctly anti-TM book TM and Cult Mania and has published a couple of papers dealing with TM in other journals that TM critics are constantly touting as proving how dangerous TM is.) Vaj would have us believe that papers are published in JSE because they're so poorly done no reputable journal would accept them. It's most likely true that no other reputable journal would accept them, but not necessarily because they're poorly done; it's the subject matter that's the problem. Even the most beautifully done, brilliantly written, airtight study on a topic considered fringe is unlikely to be published in a mainstream journal. It's unlikely even to be *read* by the editors of such a journal. The paper TM published in JSE is a response to a paper by Sales and Markovsky published in a sociology journal that purportedly debunks the famous TM Journal of Conflict Resolution study. The sociology journal refused to publish TM's rebuttal to Sales and Markovsky's paper. The journal is happy to publish papers that claim to debunk nonmainstream theories, but not papers that support such theories or rebut the claimed debunkings. What wonderful scientific ethics. Has Vaj read the paper he's so scornful of, or is his only basis for scorn the fact that it was published in a journal that examines topics mainstream science doesn't dare deal with? If JSE published a paper touting some unusual effects of Buddhist meditation, would he be scornful of it because of the nature of the journal? The *fact* is that Vaj himself has made all kinds of claims that would be considered fringe, if not
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unemployment dropped to 10.0% in November
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: do.rflex wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: do.rflex wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Result of temporary Christmas hiring. Happens every year. Many will be laid off in January. The decrease in unemployment numbers has been occurring since January and it certainly isn't all due to Christmas hiring. In the strongest employment report since the recession began nearly two years ago, the government said Friday that the nation's employers had all but stopped shedding jobs in November, taking some of the pressure off of President Obama to come up with a wide-ranging jobs creation program. The Labor Department reported that the United States economy lost 11,000 jobs in November, and the unemployment rate fell to 10 percent, down from 10.2 percent in October. The government also significantly revised its September and October job loss estimates. September's data was adjusted to show a loss of 139,000 jobs instead of 219,000, and in October 111,000 jobs were lost, instead of 190,000. Even allowing for the November loss, the revisions added 148,000 people to the list of those employed in the United States in November. Though the pace of job loss has been declining since a peak in January, the November number was surprising. Economists had been expecting a turning point to come in the late spring or summer, with employers finally adding workers as a recovery takes hold. The last time the number was so bright was in December 2007, when the economy added 120,000 jobs. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/05/business/economy/05jobs.html?_r=1hp Come up from Brazil and take a look around. The government hasn't been reporting accurate unemployment for years. Many have just given up and don't ask me how they survive. They don't count people like me who do contracting and move in and out of bust and boom periods. And what are the new jobs paying? Probably not the wages some people have been used to earning. I know there are older folks working a Starbucks who probably had much better paying gigs in the past. I also suspect my server at the restaurant the other day (notches above what you'd expect) also took the job paying less than what he was earning. The Republicans trashed the US Economy and sold our asses to the Chinese. And I don't expect Obama, who seems to have been part of a secret (or not so) Wall Street coup, to produce miracles. And given the report on the coming ice age (the one the other day was not the first) we should all be joining you. In fact when I read the first report from the Pentagon several years ago a song let's all move down to South America popped into my head loosely based on that old movie theater snack ad let's go out to the lobby. ;-) I suppose you think that all of the following which has happened since Obama took office in January is ALSO lies from the government: ~~U.S. Enters Recovery as Stimulus Refutes Skeptics~~ Bloomberg: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087sid=a7iQTrYFwTtY ~~U.S. Economy Gets Lift From Stimulus~~ Wall Street Journal: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125185379218478087.html ~~Germany, France out of recession~~ Guardian [UK]: http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2009/aug/13/germany-france-emerge-recession ~~Japan Steps out of Recession~~ BBC: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8205072.stm ~~UK Officially Out of Recession~~ http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2009/sep/08/uk-factory-output-recession-recovery ~~Across the nation, housing starts are rising~~ Journal Sentinal: http://www.jsonline.com/business/53623677.html ~~Retail sales rose at the swiftest rate in three years in August~~ http://www.forbes.com/2009/09/15/briefing-americas-open-markets-equities-retail.html ~~U.S. household wealth up for first time since 2007~~ http://www.reuters.com/article/marketsNews/idUSN173520090917 ~~US leading economic index up for fifth month in a row~~ http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20090921/ts_alt_afp/useconomygrowthindex ~~Obama loan relief plan hits goal early ~~ http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gOGPH5tuY5PvE2_kbh0FBQPiqnUQD9B6V5IO3 ~~Obama's mortgage relief program growing ~~ http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090909/ap_on_re_us/us_foreclosure_aid ~~Dow passes 10,000 mark on earnings optimism~~first time in a year http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE5881Q720091014 ~~GDP Grew 3.2 percent as Stimulus Took Hold: U.S. Economy Preview~~ http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087sid=aDGvmWmB18w0 ~~Jobs outlook brightens -
[FairfieldLife] Re: Please join me in supporting polygamous marriage!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_...@... wrote: There's a vedic story stating that a woman has nine times the sexual power of a man. So, how would a man satisfy sexually more than one woman in a polygamous marriage? Or, he can die early with a smile on his face? caturan.gasainyaM dhanakanakaM SoDashavarSiiyaM kanyaashataM tasmai mithyaavaadine vipraaya dattam. He [King Vikrama, Indian King Arthur] also gave the lying priest an army complete with elephants, chariots, cavalry, and infantry, as well as money, gold and a hundred sixteen-year-old girls. -- Vikramacarita, King Vikrama's Adventures
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Please join me in supporting polygamous marriage!
TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_...@... wrote: There's a vedic story stating that a woman has nine times the sexual power of a man. So, how would a man satisfy sexually more than one woman in a polygamous marriage? Or, he can die early with a smile on his face? My buddy on one of my TM courses was a neat, down-to-earth guy who was married. I had at the time a fairly serious girlfriend. As a result, we had similar points of view on the newly-in- vogue craze of celibacy among male International staffers. Walking back from a meeting in which several of these Seelisberg limpdicks descended upon us, shaking his head in disbelief, he summed it up perfectly: Scratch a wannabe skin boy and 9 times out of 10 you'll find a guy who's afraid of women and running from his own feelings of sexual inadequacy. Not that that's relevant to anything. I just found myself remembering the moment for some reason. Carry on. A bit of an ayurvedic correlation would be that the limpdicks were probably eating vegetarian and getting a vata imbalance (creating a spaciness they mistook for enlightenment). That would have reduced any sex drive. Kapha people tend to have the most sexual stamina and pitta the most drive. Then there is the astrological correlate which probably wouldn't apply to some of the above where relationships are out of the question. Call these natural sannyassis. The difference is that this group is often frustrated that they can't get into relationships because they aren't really trying to avoid them. They may even meet someone promising and out of the blue someone sweeps in to steal that person away. It's as if they're being told we're not even going to let you have a fling.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unemployment dropped to 10.0% in November
do.rflex wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: do.rflex wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: do.rflex wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Result of temporary Christmas hiring. Happens every year. Many will be laid off in January. The decrease in unemployment numbers has been occurring since January and it certainly isn't all due to Christmas hiring. In the strongest employment report since the recession began nearly two years ago, the government said Friday that the nation's employers had all but stopped shedding jobs in November, taking some of the pressure off of President Obama to come up with a wide-ranging jobs creation program. The Labor Department reported that the United States economy lost 11,000 jobs in November, and the unemployment rate fell to 10 percent, down from 10.2 percent in October. The government also significantly revised its September and October job loss estimates. September's data was adjusted to show a loss of 139,000 jobs instead of 219,000, and in October 111,000 jobs were lost, instead of 190,000. Even allowing for the November loss, the revisions added 148,000 people to the list of those employed in the United States in November. Though the pace of job loss has been declining since a peak in January, the November number was surprising. Economists had been expecting a turning point to come in the late spring or summer, with employers finally adding workers as a recovery takes hold. The last time the number was so bright was in December 2007, when the economy added 120,000 jobs. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/05/business/economy/05jobs.html?_r=1hp Come up from Brazil and take a look around. The government hasn't been reporting accurate unemployment for years. Many have just given up and don't ask me how they survive. They don't count people like me who do contracting and move in and out of bust and boom periods. And what are the new jobs paying? Probably not the wages some people have been used to earning. I know there are older folks working a Starbucks who probably had much better paying gigs in the past. I also suspect my server at the restaurant the other day (notches above what you'd expect) also took the job paying less than what he was earning. The Republicans trashed the US Economy and sold our asses to the Chinese. And I don't expect Obama, who seems to have been part of a secret (or not so) Wall Street coup, to produce miracles. And given the report on the coming ice age (the one the other day was not the first) we should all be joining you. In fact when I read the first report from the Pentagon several years ago a song let's all move down to South America popped into my head loosely based on that old movie theater snack ad let's go out to the lobby. ;-) I suppose you think that all of the following which has happened since Obama took office in January is ALSO lies from the government: ~~U.S. Enters Recovery as Stimulus Refutes Skeptics~~ Bloomberg: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087sid=a7iQTrYFwTtY ~~U.S. Economy Gets Lift From Stimulus~~ Wall Street Journal: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125185379218478087.html ~~Germany, France out of recession~~ Guardian [UK]: http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2009/aug/13/germany-france-emerge-recession ~~Japan Steps out of Recession~~ BBC: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8205072.stm ~~UK Officially Out of Recession~~ http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2009/sep/08/uk-factory-output-recession-recovery ~~Across the nation, housing starts are rising~~ Journal Sentinal: http://www.jsonline.com/business/53623677.html ~~Retail sales rose at the swiftest rate in three years in August~~ http://www.forbes.com/2009/09/15/briefing-americas-open-markets-equities-retail.html ~~U.S. household wealth up for first time since 2007~~ http://www.reuters.com/article/marketsNews/idUSN173520090917 ~~US leading economic index up for fifth month in a row~~ http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20090921/ts_alt_afp/useconomygrowthindex ~~Obama loan relief plan hits goal early ~~ http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gOGPH5tuY5PvE2_kbh0FBQPiqnUQD9B6V5IO3 ~~Obama's mortgage relief program growing ~~ http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090909/ap_on_re_us/us_foreclosure_aid ~~Dow passes 10,000 mark on earnings optimism~~first time in a year http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE5881Q720091014 ~~GDP Grew 3.2 percent as Stimulus Took Hold: U.S. Economy Preview~~ http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087sid=aDGvmWmB18w0 ~~Jobs outlook brightens - National Association for
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unemployment dropped to 10.0% in November
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, snip, Things are improving because they aren't getting worse as fast as they were. Latest from the resident wingnut- health reform is about control and not health --keep watching.
[FairfieldLife] Re: More lies from Vaj
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcg...@... wrote: Judy, You're probably the smartest person in the room. Seriously doubt it (unless by the room you're referring to the home office in which I'm currently sitting). But it takes away from both your dignity and your reputation of high intelligence when you DECLARE someone to be lying Sorry, but I disagree. Blatant lies should be clearly and forcefully identified as such. or that you have THE TRUTH about this or that situation. I rarely say anything to that effect, if ever. What I may say is that I have the *facts* about this or that situation.
[FairfieldLife] Re: More lies from Vaj
few people are going to follow the discussion as closely as yourself, and its not about you personally and what you find persuasive or a preferable style --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcg...@... wrote: Judy, You're probably the smartest person in the room. But it takes away from both your dignity and your reputation of high intelligence when you DECLARE someone to be lying or that you have THE TRUTH about this or that situation. You sound like Rush Limbaugh who continually tells us he has access to THE TRUTH; same absolutism, different side of the spectrum. Like I've suggested to you before: if you want to win friends and influence people, don't TELL me that Vaj is lying; give me the facts as you see them and order the telling of them in such a way that I will come to that conclusion myself. Much more powerful. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Dec 2, 2009, at 2:18 PM, Sal Sunshine wrote: On Dec 2, 2009, at 11:11 AM, Vaj wrote: snip The much touted study by Schneider on Cardiac health in African Americans that's been pushed all over the internet and posted all over the place--I've received over 30 emails on this one study--not only was never published (let alone peer reviewed) that I can find, it isn't even listed in on the AHA website for the conference it was supposedly presented at. No PDF available. It was never published? I was wondering about that too...I've also gotten several emails touting it. Stupid Sal's been thoroughly skunked by Vaj. No. As I noted on Wednesday, of course it hasn't been published--it was only just completed. Vaj knows this, even if stupid Sal couldn't figure it out. But (as Vaj also knows) Schneider *has* published at least half a dozen studies on the effect of TM on heart health in African Americans, many of which have been pushed all over the internet and posted all over the place. It was just to be presented at the American Heart Association scientific conference last month. No mention, no paper, no abstract, nothing on their website. And as I also noted, it is indeed listed on the AHA conference Web site; it's in the program. I gave the page number and event number in my post on Wednesday. There are no abstracts, PDFs, or anything else for that conference on the Web site that would be accessible to the general public, only to professional AHA members. So this is another deliberately disingenuous red herring from Vaj. Maybe the Journal of Scientific Exploration will take it? Maybe they could consider African-Americans extraterrestrial? : I don't know...is that peer-reviewed and respected? No it's a fringe/UFO and pseudoscience journal that David Orme-Johnson got his recent paper in! If you were a respected scientist it would be one of the last journals you'd ever want to be published in, if anyone was to take you seriously again. But it is peer-reviewed. :-) Not only is it not a UFO or pseudoscience journal, it's also a lie that respected scientists aren't published in it. Taking a quick look at the list of recent authors at the JSE site, I found five names that I recognized, all of whom are most definitely in the respected class: Elizabeth Loftus Robert G. Jahn Dean Radin Ian Stevenson Michael Persinger (Ironic, because Persinger is the author of the distinctly anti-TM book TM and Cult Mania and has published a couple of papers dealing with TM in other journals that TM critics are constantly touting as proving how dangerous TM is.) Vaj would have us believe that papers are published in JSE because they're so poorly done no reputable journal would accept them. It's most likely true that no other reputable journal would accept them, but not necessarily because they're poorly done; it's the subject matter that's the problem. Even the most beautifully done, brilliantly written, airtight study on a topic considered fringe is unlikely to be published in a mainstream journal. It's unlikely even to be *read* by the editors of such a journal. The paper TM published in JSE is a response to a paper by Sales and Markovsky published in a sociology journal that purportedly debunks the famous TM Journal of Conflict Resolution study. The sociology journal refused to publish TM's rebuttal to Sales and Markovsky's paper. The journal is happy to publish papers that claim to debunk nonmainstream theories, but not papers that support such theories or rebut the claimed debunkings. What wonderful scientific ethics. Has Vaj read the paper he's so scornful of, or is his only basis for scorn the fact
[FairfieldLife] Still more lies from Vaj (was Re: Fwd: Peace in the Middle East: Scientific)
Vaj's dishonesty continues to infect this forum. His lies are most egregious when he's been caught in a falsehood and is trying to exonerate himself, as in this case. His very deliberate misrepresentations of the Journal of Scientific Exploration, intended to put TM research in a bad light because TM has published one article in the journal, are quite directly parallel to the misrepresentations of the climate-change deniers with regard to the hacked emails. Hard up for evidence to support their perspective, in both cases they have to resort to inventing it--and hope that their audience will be too lazy and credulous to check up on them. Vaj has repeatedly referred to the Journal of Scientific Exploration as a UFO journal (or UFO journals, to make it sound as though TM regularly publishes in many such journals). Up till now, he hasn't actually named the journal, knowing that if he were to do so and anyone were to check up on his claim, they'd realize it was a lie. But apparently he *did* read my latest post pointing out that he was lying, or someone told him about it, so he figured he'd brazen it out by naming the journal and then telling a bunch of detailed lies about the nature of the journal. That's a standard technique of malicious propagandists: citing what they purport to be documentation of their false claims that actually doesn't support the claims at all. They figure folks won't other to check but will just assume that if the propagandist provides a citation, it must be because it backs up what the propagandist has said. Which is exactly what Vaj did: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: snip The current issue has papers on the Loch Ness monster and several UFO papers. It's always a hoot to look at when you need a good laugh. And of course MUM researchers publish there now. It looks like they've finally found their niche in the scientific community! http://www.scientificexploration.org/journal.html In fact, TM researchers have published there *once*. There's no indication whatsoever of a trend, contrary to Vaj's knowingly disingenuous implication. And in fact, Vaj has no idea what's in the current issue, because its contents aren't listed on the Web site. The latest issue whose contents are listed is the third issue for 2008 (the journal is a quarterly). Maybe Vaj was hoping folks wouldn't notice if he described the contents of the *first* issue listed, published in 1987, and said it was the current issue. And even so he misrepresents the contents: there was *one* article on the Loch Ness monster and *one* article on UFOs. (Another malicious propagandist's trick is to use plurals when referring to a single instance.) Neither paper took a believer's stance. Both were scholarly analyses of available materials on their topics (the PDFs of the articles are available on the page). The other articles in the first issue: A Brief History of the Society for Scientific Exploration; Alterations in Recollection of Unusual and Unexpected Events; Toward a Quantitative Theory of Intellectual Discovery (Esp. in Phys.); and Engineering Anomalies Research. PDFs for all these are available on the page. The last issue listed for which PDFs are available is from 2007. The last issue listed containing an article on UFOs is 2006 (and that was simply a historical review of the information that has accumulated, pro and con.) But let's look at the titles of the articles in the most recent issue listed, the third for 2008: Unusual Atmospheric Phenomena Observed Near Channel Islands, UK, 23 April 2007 The GCP Event Experiment: Design, Analytical Methods, Results New Insights into the Links between ESP and Geomagnetic Activity Phenomenology of N,N-Dimethyltryptamine Use: A Thematic Analysis Altered Experience Mediates the Relationship between Schizo-typy and Mood Disturbance during Shamanic-Like Journeying Persistence of Past-Life Memories: Study of Adults Who Claimed in Their Childhood to Remember a Past Life Gee, nothing about UFOs or the Loch Ness monster. In fact, of the approximately 500 articles the journal has published since 1987, around 25 have been about UFOs--5 percent. (The frequency of such articles has declined steadily over the years.) In Vaj's mind, 5 percent is enough to smear JSE--and the TM researchers--by calling it a UFO journal. No wonder he didn't name it for so long. Now he thinks he can wiggle out from under that lie by identifying the journal and *lying about what it contains*. I've looked at a bunch of the PDFs available on the article listings that deal with some of the more far-out phenomena. None that I've examined credulously promotes the phenomena they deal with. At most, they analyze skeptical debunkings and point out where they're inadequate to explain the phenomena. Many of the articles are purely sociological; the Loch Ness monster article in the first issue, for example,
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unemployment dropped to 10.0% in November
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: do.rflex wrote: [snip] I really DO NOT believe that Thom Hartmann saw the list I provided and claimed it was all lies from the government, Bhairitu. He saw what they really were: small blips. I don't believe you unless you personally showed him the list I posted. You should also note I just said that the Republicans are mainly responsible for the mess and why they let Obama win. They didn't want the bill to be presented to their president. Uh... TARP was passed under Bush, Bhairitu. I know that John. It was a waste of money It stopped a total collapse of the economy, Bhairitu. Or do you claim that's also a lie from the government? and I phoned my Congressman twice to oppose its passage. If it wasn't passed mainly the rich would have been destroyed. Things might have been tough for the middle class for a while but not as bad as delaying the inevitable which is looming on the horizon. That's paranoid crackpottery, Bhairitu. The stimulus for the economy passed under Obama is historically shown be a necessity just as similar spending under FDR was needed to transition the Great Depression into prosperity. Like what? More money to bail out the banks or insurance companies? What about help to small businesses? They want people to spend but you can't have spending unless people have money to spend. And without jobs they can't spend. A few measly government jobs isn't going to solve the problem and not everyone wants to work for the government. Your doomsday ideology has you by the balls, Bhairitu. It took ten years, but FDR's spending brought jobs back to pre-Great Depression levels and more than doubled the GDP. Obama has said that the stimulus package was designed to begin to turn around the ecomomy in around two years. Obama's only been in office for 9 months. You can't turn around a catastrophe that developed over eight years under the criminal GOP/Bush gang in 8 months. And for you to say that the list I posted is all lies just further confirms to me that you're off the deep end and live in your own weird little world. Sounds like to me you're the one with blinders on. You need to see further. :-D I don't get my information from places like Prison Planet or people like Alex Jones like you apparently do, if that's what you mean. That's Crackpot World. It's right next to Planet Wingnuttia. The rest of the stuff you're posting is just more your wacky radical conspiracy baloney. Your views with that stuff rival the nutbag wingnuts with their claims of Obama creating FEMA concentration camps, confiscation of everybody's guns, birtherism, Obama is a Muslim, etc. crapola. Who's off the deep end? I'm not into those things. No. That FEMA stuff is Wingnut World. You're into a different but just as wacky conspiratorial doomsday scenario all your own. Stop being a DNC ditto head. That's like being a TMO ditto head. I voted for and was critical of Bill Clinton. I reserve the right to be critical of Obama, whom I also voted for. Sure, you have the right to criticize anyone and anything you wish. You also have every right to buy into crackpot doomsday bullshittery - which you're apparently doing with great conviction.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Peace in the Middle East: Scientific solution
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , seekliberation seekliberat...@... wrote: I remember seeing a lot of this online when I became interested in Ravi Shankar after reading about a lot of his work worldwide. I remember being somewhat excited about it, and I remember it didn't last for very long. I haven't seen any continuance of it in the really heavily war-torn provinces. I don't think anyone can function safely in a heavily war torn zone? There are other places (McCain and Bush used to claim it was safe in Iraq.) If he would've remained there much longer than he did, he would have become a target eventually, especially for being associated with groups that advocate women's rights. Remember the assassination of Bhutto in Pakistan? There are a number of groups that could have killed Bhutto, but I doubt that it was a Muslim extremist, an anti-women's rights killing, or a sectarian or religious killing. In tribal run areas where people advocate peace or women's rights, the extremist factions become infuriated. It's very similar to ignorant rednecks in America who are either racist or male chauvinists. The only difference is that we are about 50-60 years ahead of them in evolving past some of their behaviors. Although, under Butto's father in Pakistan women had many rights, and in Iran, before the Americans forced out the democratic government there, to be replaced with their own dictator, and before the Americans trained Osama Bin Laden and built the Taliban in Afhganistan, and even under the American backed dictator Saddam Hussein women had rights to become doctors, professors, etc. In Lebanon, women were gaining freedoms until the Americans forced out the Syrians who were keeping the peace there, and the American backed corrupt Olmert government of Israel who bombed the shit out of Lebanon because after the Americans forced out the Syrians the extremist Hezbollah took over Lebanon.. Anywhere else? Yes, in the American backed extreme dictatorship of Saudi Arabia, there are many Indians working as second class citizens in a partitioned society. This is part of the reason i've always preferred Ravi's point of view. Not because it justifies my own, but more so because it is balanced. He understands peace must be brought to these areas, but at least acknowledges that in the beginning stages there will be a formidable resistance that has to be dealt with. Although he praises Islam as a whole, he will still make occasional remarks of how many of these terrorists are misguided. But his point of view is unlike many people who believe we can just send doctors, teachers and other healers without any risk or serious threat. They often think they can just walk into these villages without someone disliking them to a point of serious mistreatmentor much worse. At least Sri Ravi is a bit of a realist in the midst of his idealism. The good thing is that there are provinces in Afghanistan that are becoming much safer, mostly in the northeast though. But in the south, and southwest civilians are still being killed by Taliban. If they are seen seeking medical care by American military doctors they can be executed. Just like Kansas. Perhaps you are not aware of this, but numerous people have been killed for seeking medical care in America, and recently a doctor was murdered in Kansas for practicing medicine. I've heard from someone overseas now that they tried to blame civilian casualties on American aircraft bombings somewhere out west, problem is they were killed by Chinese grenades, which no NATO forces carry at all. They will kill civilians to make it look like us. Yes, American forces can drop bombs on houses and kill rebels and spare the women and children in there. They have smart bombs. It's often times their best chance of victory. There is no victory in these wars. There never was, and there never will be. No-one will be victorious or claim victory. This Bush/Cheney debacle will drag on for 30 years (unless there is some massive change in world consciousness that completely re-arranges matter itself. I also remember a village about 30-40 miles from where I was based that a 15 year old boy was hung to death for carrying American currency. The accusations about the practices of SOME American soldiers in Iraq and elsewhere are just as brutal and more widespread. That doesn't mean everywhere American soldiers go are like that does it? or that that is representative of the whole US military? These are not safe places for anyone who is not Islamic, or anyone not living in accordance with the warlord faction's guidelines. Yes, you are right, they are not safe places. If only America had not ignored world opinion and international law and sent Iraq back to the stone age, and if only they had let the international community focus on Afghanistan, then the world would be a better place. Unfortuantely it will take decades to mend
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[FairfieldLife] Still more lies from Vaj (was Re: Fwd: Peace in the Middle East: Scientific)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: [snip} His very deliberate misrepresentations of the Journal of Scientific Exploration, intended to put TM research in a bad light because TM has published one article in the journal, are quite directly parallel to the misrepresentations of the climate-change deniers with regard to the hacked emails. Hard up for evidence to support their perspective, in both cases they have to resort to inventing it--and hope that their audience will be too lazy and credulous to check up on them. [/snip] A slur! I'm sorry you choose to perpetuate that silly and intellectually disreputable use of the word deniers. For shame. How can you live with yourself? Of course when you say misrepresentations ...with regard to the hacked emails - no one can argue with that. It is the non misrepresentation of those emails which gives many folks pause for thought. Hard up for evidence to support their perspective? Really? I think not.
[FairfieldLife] In case you were wondering who she is...
Her name is Stephanie Courtney and she's a member of The Groundlings.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Please join me in supporting polygamous marriage!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: There's a vedic story stating that a woman has nine times the sexual power of a man. So, how would a man satisfy sexually more than one woman in a polygamous marriage? Or, he can die early with a smile on his face? caturan.gasainyaM dhanakanakaM SoDashavarSiiyaM kanyaashataM tasmai mithyaavaadine vipraaya dattam. He [King Vikrama, Indian King Arthur] also gave the lying priest an army complete with elephants, chariots, cavalry, and infantry, as well as money, gold and a hundred sixteen-year-old girls. -- Vikramacarita, King Vikrama's Adventures ...not a hundred sixteen-year-old boys? Surely there is SOME holy book SOMEWHERE in which gay marriage and gay sex is celebrated? See what you can come up with, cardmeister, and get back to us, please.
[FairfieldLife] Post Count
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Peace in the Middle East: Scientific solution
Offworld, For the sake of simplicity, I deleted a lot your comments to make this an easier read. Re: our alliance with Saudi, and our backing of other countries Our alliance with Saudi Arabia started with Franklin Roosevelt. He felt whoever has the strongest alliance would eventually be the world's economic superpower, and he was right. But he also put us at the mercy of a region that is unstable, and a culture that is unreliable and for the most part hates our culture. Regarding Osama Bin Laden, he did not build the Taliban. He built Al Qaeda. The Taliban only gave Al Qaeda refuge because they were pissed at Hillary Clinton and Margaret Thatcher for pleading to the UN council regarding the Taliban's treatment of women. The Taliban didn't necessarily like Bin Laden, but they rather saw him as a bartering element. The Taliban wanted the UN and USA off their backs. So they allowed Bin Laden to stay. It didn't end up working out to well for them in the long run. You also claimed that USA built the Taliban. I'm not trying to win an argument here, but rather communicate inform, since I had no choice but to learn a lot of this over the last 4 years. USA helped support the 'Mujahedeen', but we didn't 'build' them. They were already together and built to fight the Soviets, we just armed them with anti-aircraft weapons. After the Soviet occupation, the Mujahedeen became very corrupt and that's when the Taliban were formed. USA had nothing to do with it. Just like Kansas. Perhaps you are not aware of this, but numerous people have been killed for seeking medical care in America, and recently a doctor was murdered in Kansas for practicing medicine. Yes, there are some dipshits in America. Percentage wise, I doubt it's nearly as bad as the rest of the countries i've been to (not including Europe). I would have to read the news and check the internet to find names of people killed for such things. In some countries i've been to, I could walk into any village and talk to a village elder and hear plenty of stories about local militias committing atrocities towards civilians. It is becoming a lot less common in the middle eastern countries that are moving towards being a 1st world country, which i'm glad for. But it's common in the 2nd/3rd world countries in the middle east. Besides, in America, it's usually a nut case or psychopath that commits some of these ridiculous murders. In some of the Middle Eastern countries where this occurs, it is implied policy. I've heard from someone overseas now that they tried to blame civilian casualties on American aircraft bombings somewhere out west, problem is they were killed by Chinese grenades, which no NATO forces carry at all. They will kill civilians to make it look like us. Yes, American forces can drop bombs on houses and kill rebels and spare the women and children in there. They have smart bombs. This is obviously sarcasm, but still there seems to be no acknowledgement that Taliban are killing their own civilians 'INTENTIONALLY', whereas if civilians are killed by Americans it is due to a firefight breaking out in the midst of civilians. There seems to be this thought going around in the minds of 'Michael Moore' type people that want to believe that Soldiers and Marines are intentionally killing women and children. What they fail to understand is the luring of US forces into villages and towns with the intention of civilian casualties taking place. Also, don't get me wrong, there have been a few cases of us making big mistakes in the past. But I have been in the presence of some of the most ignorant redneck type Marines out there, and I can assure you that not even the most ignorant US soldier/Marine has any desire to kill women or children in another country. It's often times their best chance of victory. There is no victory in these wars. There never was, and there never will be. No-one will be victorious or claim victory. This Bush/Cheney debacle will drag on for 30 years (unless there is some massive change in world consciousness that completely re-arranges matter itself. Yes there is victory, but not for us. The Taliban may be able to claim victory after this is all over. Al Qaeda is still recovering from being hit hard during the Bush/Cheney period, but they'll rebound. I have argued this with many soldiers and Marines that we are going to lose this war, most likely. Iraq is negotiable whether we won or not, and for now leans towards losing unless the Iraq Army becomes fully established. We are losing in Afghanistan now, and the troop surge Obama approved of will not solve the problem. America had little or no idea what they were getting into when this whole thing started. The US armed forces are simply not willing to go the same distance that our declared enemies are willing to go. If our economy was kicking ass right now, we'd stand a
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More lies from Judy, was More lies from...
On Dec 5, 2009, at 4:42 PM, ShempMcGurk wrote: But it takes away from both your dignity and your reputation of high intelligence when you DECLARE someone to be lying or that you have THE TRUTH about this or that situation. You sound like Rush Limbaugh who continually tells us he has access to THE TRUTH; same absolutism, different side of the spectrum. Like I've suggested to you before: if you want to win friends and influence people, don't TELL me that Vaj is lying; give me the facts as you see them and order the telling of them in such a way that I will come to that conclusion myself. Thanks for posting this Shemp, otherwise I would have missed it. Unbelievable. Rush Limbaugh? More like Rosie O'Donnell on a meth bender. Apparently Ms. Digital Stalker loves to post elaborate straw men to draw responses from certain writers. They are typically fictional, imaginary schemes Our Dear Editor concocts. My only response to this latest pathetic strawman campaign is LOL: No, no, no. EVERYONE who presents a talk or a poster at a medical specialty scientific conference gets an automatic mention (name and abstract--in this case the one you've seen plastered all over the web and emails) and they're published in an addendum to that specialties journal (in this case Circulation). This does not constitute publication in the main journal, nor does it constitute appearing in the news section or in the important paper section of the website. Typically you'll find it in the addendum (big deal), but if it's minor it won't bear actual this paper was presented at the conference status on the actual website. The TM, unpublished research does not get any such mention. Kinda surprising to find, now that I've received around 50 emails announcing it being posted somewhere. Amazing really the level of deception and the mass mailing suggesting importance. The mass seeding of this abstract make it appear as if this is important news from this conference--but a quick search of the website will show this is NOT the case. It won't even come up because it is not part of the major news, merely a talk given at the conference. Anyone can present a paper, few get mentioned on the website as important papers. This latest TM paper, as with many before, it gives the impression that it's important. Clearly, a search of the website shows it does not even get mention in the important papers presented or a search of the website (search function on homepage) for the paper title or a author's name. It turns out the paper is not nearly as important as it's been made out to be. A quick search of the web site reveals this to be, in fact, the case.
[FairfieldLife] more on Victor Stenger's books
(an email to a physicist friend of mine): ... 2 books by Victor Stenger sent, #1 for got exact title, but covers the origins of physical laws. #2, a more recent book, popularizes the previous one to an extent, adding a critical evualation of quantum Mysticism. Book #1 and much of #2 point to a single origin of physical laws: (I'll let you Wiki): Noether's Theorem; i.e. Emmy Noether. In both books, Stenger provides a list of about 20 laws, then shows how Noether's Theorem forces the existence of such laws (Newtonian laws, etc, and others) through 2 limiting principles coupled with the PDE's covering the Lagrangian principle of least action: The 2 basic concepts are: a. Convervation rules and b. Symmetry breaking. ... Also, Stenger takes a pot shot at the notion that certain Laws are intrinsically built in to possible universes; taking the pov that the term laws should be replaced by rules or models. Kip Thorne is one of those who claims that certain lists of laws can be assumed to operate in any 3-D universe; while Stenger is saying that there are only models and that selection bias plays a big role in what we are saying = Laws. ... On this Stenger's pov is somewhat contradictory since he's saying that certain Laws follow from Noether's Theorem but is then saying that the Laws are only models and that any list of Laws is due to selection bias! Doesn't make sense. I'm siding with Thorne although Stenger's idea of an ultimately reductionist universe pointing to Noether's theorm can also be true at the same time. ... On the other topic in book #2, Stenger is highly critical of the concept of Quantum Mysticism, especially John Hagelin and various predecessors going back to the 70's. He doesn';t mention Deepak Chopra much but he definitely would be in the Quantum Mysticism camp. Phycisist (and Quantum Mystic proponent) Dr. David Scharf attempts a rebuttal to Stenger in Pseudoscience and Victor Stenger's Quantum Gods, at http://www.tinyurl.com/yh2kd4f Scharf's rebuttal has some serious holes in it, from the getgo in the Abstract:. First, he difines Quantum Spirituality; The idea that some aspect of consciousnes plays a fundamental role in the universe(etc) Right here, this is highly speculative but worse yet, Scharf flip-flops by substituting the 2 words Pure Consciousness in lieu of the word consciousness. Quantum Spirituality is all about Pure Consciousness (In-Itself) and less about relative consciousness (the type of consciousness considered by the quantum pioneers and built into the Copenhagen model of QM. But apart from such definitions, Scharf offers no tangible evidence that Pure Consciousness plays a role in the universe. I'm open to the idea that It might, but Scharf's whole rebuttal basically falls apart with the shortcoming of this lynchpin - not being strong enough to bolster his entire thesis. ... This is not to say that I side with Stenger's idea that the universe spontaneously arises from nothing (and by nothing he means quantum foam.) Nobody seems to know for sure; although the idea of higher dimensions appeals to me. Stenger would also diss that since he's an experimentalist and has a disliking for string theory. ... Except for the convergence on the one Law (Noether's Theorem); I find Stenger to be a bit archaic in his thinking, almost 19-th century. Introducing the Holographic Universe (Cf. Stanford's Susskind), imo - might sustain a more complete picture of what's really operating behind the scenes of a mere listing of Laws. My conclusion: one should fuse Susskind's Universe as a Hologram principle with Stenger's brilliant strategy of focusing on Noether's Theorem as the source of laws. Then one more all-important principle: Backward causation operating on a microlevel. ... Of course, Stenger wouldn't go for that since Susskind is a string theorist. (archenemies of experimentalists). That's it for now!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Peace in the Middle East: Scientific solution
Well, I respect your in-depth answer Seeker, but I refuse to argue this while you are still in the military. I know that you personally and thousands like you are doing good, but I don't see the big picture that way. In my mind America created 9/11 by all the interference in the middle east for decades. We have different views, and we will just have to agree to disagree. The bottom line is, that every time you say that grotesque and unnecessary violence is wide-spread in these places, and that America is not as dangerous a place, you forget that I see the mass killings of innocents by the US military as being the same thing. Bush is a mass murderer in my eyes and a wanted criminal. You say it is not as violent in America as these places, but that is because America has exported its violence on a much larger scale -- abroad. 3,000 Americans died in 9/11. Estimates are that in Afghanistan and Iraq hundreds of thousands of innocents - that's iINNOCENTS - either as a direct kill, or as a result of the ensuing violence and displacement and disease, have been killed by the warmongers. An eye for an eye will make the whole world blind -- Mahatma Gandhi Just tell your superiors to learn TM and teach the Sidhis to their troops. Don't take no for an answer. OffWorld --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , seekliberation seekliberat...@... wrote: Offworld, For the sake of simplicity, I deleted a lot your comments to make this an easier read. Re: our alliance with Saudi, and our backing of other countries Our alliance with Saudi Arabia started with Franklin Roosevelt. He felt whoever has the strongest alliance would eventually be the world's economic superpower, and he was right. But he also put us at the mercy of a region that is unstable, and a culture that is unreliable and for the most part hates our culture. Regarding Osama Bin Laden, he did not build the Taliban. He built Al Qaeda. The Taliban only gave Al Qaeda refuge because they were pissed at Hillary Clinton and Margaret Thatcher for pleading to the UN council regarding the Taliban's treatment of women. The Taliban didn't necessarily like Bin Laden, but they rather saw him as a bartering element. The Taliban wanted the UN and USA off their backs. So they allowed Bin Laden to stay. It didn't end up working out to well for them in the long run. You also claimed that USA built the Taliban. I'm not trying to win an argument here, but rather communicate inform, since I had no choice but to learn a lot of this over the last 4 years. USA helped support the 'Mujahedeen', but we didn't 'build' them. They were already together and built to fight the Soviets, we just armed them with anti-aircraft weapons. After the Soviet occupation, the Mujahedeen became very corrupt and that's when the Taliban were formed. USA had nothing to do with it. Just like Kansas. Perhaps you are not aware of this, but numerous people have been killed for seeking medical care in America, and recently a doctor was murdered in Kansas for practicing medicine. Yes, there are some dipshits in America. Percentage wise, I doubt it's nearly as bad as the rest of the countries i've been to (not including Europe). I would have to read the news and check the internet to find names of people killed for such things. In some countries i've been to, I could walk into any village and talk to a village elder and hear plenty of stories about local militias committing atrocities towards civilians. It is becoming a lot less common in the middle eastern countries that are moving towards being a 1st world country, which i'm glad for. But it's common in the 2nd/3rd world countries in the middle east. Besides, in America, it's usually a nut case or psychopath that commits some of these ridiculous murders. In some of the Middle Eastern countries where this occurs, it is implied policy. I've heard from someone overseas now that they tried to blame civilian casualties on American aircraft bombings somewhere out west, problem is they were killed by Chinese grenades, which no NATO forces carry at all. They will kill civilians to make it look like us. Yes, American forces can drop bombs on houses and kill rebels and spare the women and children in there. They have smart bombs. This is obviously sarcasm, but still there seems to be no acknowledgement that Taliban are killing their own civilians 'INTENTIONALLY', whereas if civilians are killed by Americans it is due to a firefight breaking out in the midst of civilians. There seems to be this thought going around in the minds of 'Michael Moore' type people that want to believe that Soldiers and Marines are intentionally killing women and children. What they fail to understand is the luring of US forces into villages and towns with the intention of civilian casualties taking place. Also, don't get me wrong, there have been a few cases of us making big mistakes in the
[FairfieldLife] Still more lies from Vaj (was Re: Fwd: Peace in the Middle East: Scientific)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, PaliGap compost...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: [snip} His very deliberate misrepresentations of the Journal of Scientific Exploration, intended to put TM research in a bad light because TM has published one article in the journal, are quite directly parallel to the misrepresentations of the climate-change deniers with regard to the hacked emails. Hard up for evidence to support their perspective, in both cases they have to resort to inventing it--and hope that their audience will be too lazy and credulous to check up on them. [/snip] A slur! I'm sorry you choose to perpetuate that silly and intellectually disreputable use of the word deniers. For shame. How can you live with yourself? Oh, please. You've used the term yourself: Or try this very thoughtful analysis from Judy Curry, a climate scientist who again is NOT in the denier camp: Of course when you say misrepresentations ...with regard to the hacked emails - no one can argue with that. It is the non misrepresentation of those emails which gives many folks pause for thought. I haven't seen anything I'd call nonmisrepresentation from the folks who don't believe in AGW, whatever they want to call themselves. I do agree with Curry's assessment--as I noted in response to your post quoted above--but then, as you point out, she isn't on your side either. The whole tribalism thing needs to be cleaned up, unquestionably, but not because it legitimately calls the science in question. It needs to be cleaned up because it gives the anti-AGW folks weapons they can misuse--*have been* misusing--to shake the public's faith in the science. Hard up for evidence to support their perspective? Really? I think not. Think what you wish. I disagree. What do you have to say about the famous trick/hidden email? That's a good test of integrity.
[FairfieldLife] Re: More lies from Judy, was More lies from...
Right,...basically anything coming from MUM-associated bogus researchers have peer reviews submitted by peers right down the hall at MUM. No serious scientist would accept anything from that source as having a gnat's hair's worth of credibility. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On Dec 5, 2009, at 4:42 PM, ShempMcGurk wrote: But it takes away from both your dignity and your reputation of high intelligence when you DECLARE someone to be lying or that you have THE TRUTH about this or that situation. You sound like Rush Limbaugh who continually tells us he has access to THE TRUTH; same absolutism, different side of the spectrum. Like I've suggested to you before: if you want to win friends and influence people, don't TELL me that Vaj is lying; give me the facts as you see them and order the telling of them in such a way that I will come to that conclusion myself. Thanks for posting this Shemp, otherwise I would have missed it. Unbelievable. Rush Limbaugh? More like Rosie O'Donnell on a meth bender. Apparently Ms. Digital Stalker loves to post elaborate straw men to draw responses from certain writers. They are typically fictional, imaginary schemes Our Dear Editor concocts. My only response to this latest pathetic strawman campaign is LOL: No, no, no. EVERYONE who presents a talk or a poster at a medical specialty scientific conference gets an automatic mention (name and abstract--in this case the one you've seen plastered all over the web and emails) and they're published in an addendum to that specialties journal (in this case Circulation). This does not constitute publication in the main journal, nor does it constitute appearing in the news section or in the important paper section of the website. Typically you'll find it in the addendum (big deal), but if it's minor it won't bear actual this paper was presented at the conference status on the actual website. The TM, unpublished research does not get any such mention. Kinda surprising to find, now that I've received around 50 emails announcing it being posted somewhere. Amazing really the level of deception and the mass mailing suggesting importance. The mass seeding of this abstract make it appear as if this is important news from this conference--but a quick search of the website will show this is NOT the case. It won't even come up because it is not part of the major news, merely a talk given at the conference. Anyone can present a paper, few get mentioned on the website as important papers. This latest TM paper, as with many before, it gives the impression that it's important. Clearly, a search of the website shows it does not even get mention in the important papers presented or a search of the website (search function on homepage) for the paper title or a author's name. It turns out the paper is not nearly as important as it's been made out to be. A quick search of the web site reveals this to be, in fact, the case.
[FairfieldLife] Re: More lies from Judy, was More lies from...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: snip EVERYONE who presents a talk or a poster at a medical specialty scientific conference gets an automatic mention (name and abstract--in this case the one you've seen plastered all over the web and emails) and they're published in an addendum to that specialties journal (in this case Circulation). This does not constitute publication in the main journal, nor does it constitute appearing in the news section or in the important paper section of the website. Typically you'll find it in the addendum (big deal), but if it's minor it won't bear actual this paper was presented at the conference status on the actual website. The TM, unpublished research does not get any such mention. Kinda surprising to find, now that I've received around 50 emails announcing it being posted somewhere. Amazing really the level of deception and the mass mailing suggesting importance. Since Vaj has decided to stonewall his lies, let's look again at what he claimed that I was commenting on and go over it once again: The much touted study by Schneider on Cardiac health in African Americans that's been pushed all over the internet and posted all over the place--I've received over 30 emails on this one study--not only was never published (let alone peer reviewed) that I can find... No, *of course* it hasn't been published yet, because it was *just completed*. And of course I never claimed it had been published, so Vaj's huffing and puffing above in an attempt to make *me* out to be a liar is just another of *his* lies. ...it isn't even listed in on the AHA website for the conference it was supposedly presented at Yes, it *is* listed on the AHA Web site for the conference, as I've already documented; it's in the final program, #1177, page 129, scheduled for 4:15 on Monday, November 16: Effects of Stress Reduction on Clinical Events in African Americans with Coronary Heart Disease: A Randomized Clinical Trial. ...No PDF available. No PDFs for *any* of the presentations are available on the Web site--at least as of when Vaj made his post--so this is another red herring. Those are *facts*, folks. Vaj is now trying to walk back his lies, but those pesky facts are sending him sprawling.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More lies from Judy, was More lies from...
On Dec 5, 2009, at 8:34 PM, yifuxero wrote: Right,...basically anything coming from MUM-associated bogus researchers have peer reviews submitted by peers right down the hall at MUM. No serious scientist would accept anything from that source as having a gnat's hair's worth of credibility. Yes, but no so much my point. Of course as soon as you see they used Health Education as their control, you know it's not serious (it's not an honest way to control for placebo). They submitted, and probably easily, had a paper and presentation allowed for a scientific conference. If you've ever been to one of these affairs, they have a lot of topics: some good, some so-so, and some just filler. If you were a Cardiologist you could get credits, CME's, just for sitting in. All those who participate, even those who merely post posters are listed on the list of particpants for the conference. The good stuff you HEAR about and the course fills fast. People talk, it gets noticed, it get's it's own page on the website (in this case of the American College of Cardiology). The PDF is ubiquitous and printed copies are floating around. Etc. In this case: no serious mention on the website, still unpublished, only mentioned as a talk in the typical addendum (i.e., the minimum) and still the same old bad controls they use to massage minimal numbers from. Yet it's been posted virally, all over the WWW.
[FairfieldLife] Re: More lies from Judy, was More lies from...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero yifux...@... wrote: Right,...basically anything coming from MUM-associated bogus researchers have peer reviews submitted by peers right down the hall at MUM. Very highly unlikely. Journals don't tend to pick friends of the authors as peer reviewers. (You are aware that it's the journal editors who pick peer reviewers, right?)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Peace in the Middle East: Scientific solution
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_re...@... wrote: Not a bad idea Off, you're right that this discussion could go on forever, and it's perhaps better off to agree to disagree. I don't mean to open up another can of worms here, but regarding America being dangerous, it's only in high crime areas that's dangerous. I know very few people who've been attacked and nobody who has been killed. I think you're comparing America to your country, whether it is Scotland or England, which I'm quite certain has less crime and is safer. You're culture seems to have grown out of some negative traits that ours hasn't. I can tell when I meet people from Europe that there is less of the Us Vs. Them state of mind that Americans often thrive on. seekliberation Well, I respect your in-depth answer Seeker, but I refuse to argue this while you are still in the military. I know that you personally and thousands like you are doing good, but I don't see the big picture that way. In my mind America created 9/11 by all the interference in the middle east for decades. We have different views, and we will just have to agree to disagree. The bottom line is, that every time you say that grotesque and unnecessary violence is wide-spread in these places, and that America is not as dangerous a place, you forget that I see the mass killings of innocents by the US military as being the same thing. Bush is a mass murderer in my eyes and a wanted criminal. You say it is not as violent in America as these places, but that is because America has exported its violence on a much larger scale -- abroad. 3,000 Americans died in 9/11. Estimates are that in Afghanistan and Iraq hundreds of thousands of innocents - that's iINNOCENTS - either as a direct kill, or as a result of the ensuing violence and displacement and disease, have been killed by the warmongers. An eye for an eye will make the whole world blind -- Mahatma Gandhi Just tell your superiors to learn TM and teach the Sidhis to their troops. Don't take no for an answer. OffWorld --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , seekliberation seekliberation@ wrote: Offworld, For the sake of simplicity, I deleted a lot your comments to make this an easier read. Re: our alliance with Saudi, and our backing of other countries Our alliance with Saudi Arabia started with Franklin Roosevelt. He felt whoever has the strongest alliance would eventually be the world's economic superpower, and he was right. But he also put us at the mercy of a region that is unstable, and a culture that is unreliable and for the most part hates our culture. Regarding Osama Bin Laden, he did not build the Taliban. He built Al Qaeda. The Taliban only gave Al Qaeda refuge because they were pissed at Hillary Clinton and Margaret Thatcher for pleading to the UN council regarding the Taliban's treatment of women. The Taliban didn't necessarily like Bin Laden, but they rather saw him as a bartering element. The Taliban wanted the UN and USA off their backs. So they allowed Bin Laden to stay. It didn't end up working out to well for them in the long run. You also claimed that USA built the Taliban. I'm not trying to win an argument here, but rather communicate inform, since I had no choice but to learn a lot of this over the last 4 years. USA helped support the 'Mujahedeen', but we didn't 'build' them. They were already together and built to fight the Soviets, we just armed them with anti-aircraft weapons. After the Soviet occupation, the Mujahedeen became very corrupt and that's when the Taliban were formed. USA had nothing to do with it. Just like Kansas. Perhaps you are not aware of this, but numerous people have been killed for seeking medical care in America, and recently a doctor was murdered in Kansas for practicing medicine. Yes, there are some dipshits in America. Percentage wise, I doubt it's nearly as bad as the rest of the countries i've been to (not including Europe). I would have to read the news and check the internet to find names of people killed for such things. In some countries i've been to, I could walk into any village and talk to a village elder and hear plenty of stories about local militias committing atrocities towards civilians. It is becoming a lot less common in the middle eastern countries that are moving towards being a 1st world country, which i'm glad for. But it's common in the 2nd/3rd world countries in the middle east. Besides, in America, it's usually a nut case or psychopath that commits some of these ridiculous murders. In some of the Middle Eastern countries where this occurs, it is implied policy. I've heard from someone overseas now that they tried to blame civilian casualties on American aircraft bombings somewhere out west, problem is they were killed by Chinese
[FairfieldLife] Re: More lies from Judy, was More lies from...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: snip They submitted, and probably easily, had a paper and presentation allowed for a scientific conference. If you've ever been to one of these affairs, they have a lot of topics: some good, some so-so, and some just filler. If you were a Cardiologist you could get credits, CME's, just for sitting in. All those who participate, even those who merely post posters are listed on the list of particpants for the conference. More backpedaling. Here's what Vaj said originally: ...not only was never published (let alone peer reviewed) that I can find, it isn't even listed in on the AHA website for the conference it was supposedly presented at. One more time: Yes, it *is* listed on the AHA Web site for the conference; it's in the final program, #1177, page 129, scheduled for 4:15 on Monday, November 16: Effects of Stress Reduction on Clinical Events in African Americans with Coronary Heart Disease: A Randomized Clinical Trial. The good stuff you HEAR about and the course fills fast. People talk, it gets noticed, it get's it's own page on the website (in this case of the American College of Cardiology). The PDF is ubiquitous and printed copies are floating around. Etc. Vaj's initial claim was that there was no PDF on the AHA conference Web site--which is true, but irrelevant, because there are *no* PDFs of the presentations on the AHA conference Web site. They may put them up at some point, but they weren't up when Vaj made his post. In this case: no serious mention on the website Now it's no *serious* mention on the website. To start with--see above--he said there was *no* mention on the Web site. He was trying to make us believe that the TMO was lying about the paper even having been *presented*. still unpublished Again, irrelevant, since it was only just completed. It takes *months* to get a paper published in a peer reviewed journal. , only mentioned as a talk in the typical addendum If Vaj had even a shred of honesty, he'd say, I was wrong, it *is* mentioned on the Web site. And the listing in the conference program isn't an addendum.
[FairfieldLife] Re: More lies from Judy, was More lies from...
Some follow-up: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: snip Apparently Ms. Digital Stalker loves to post elaborate straw men to draw responses from certain writers. They are typically fictional, imaginary schemes Our Dear Editor concocts. I have no idea what Vaj's fantasy is here about my wanting to draw responses from certain writers. I exposed his lies as one more example of why readers should not trust anything he says. And as far as typically fictional, imaginary schemes are concerned, Vaj has not rebutted--nor can he rebut-- a single one of the facts I've posted. My only response to this latest pathetic strawman campaign is LOL: No, no, no. This, my friends, is not a rebuttal. snip The TM, unpublished research does not get any such mention. Kinda surprising to find, now that I've received around 50 emails announcing it being posted somewhere. Amazing really the level of deception and the mass mailing suggesting importance. Again, the presentation is listed in the final program on the AHA conference Web site. I don't know what people are telling Vaj in email, but this is what Dick Mays originally posted here on November 17 (the only place I've seen it). Remarkable is his term, not that of the press release. I don't see anything in the press release that does anything but state the facts of the study and the quoted opinions of the investigators. But note in the third paragraph that the study was funded by a grant from NIH and was conducted at The Medical College of Wisconsin in Milwaukee. None of the other researchers named appears to be associated with TM. Here's the press release: TM helped lower heart attack, stroke, and death by nearly 50 % Dick Mays Tue, 17 Nov 2009 04:40:14 -0800 Remarkable finding presented at the annual meeting of the American Heart Association! News Release -- Medical College of Wisconsin For more information, contact: Office of Public Affairs Toranj Marphetia (tor...@mcw.edu) mailto:(las...@mcw.edu)mailto: (las...@mcw.edu) 8701 Watertown Plank Road Director of Media Relations Milwaukee, WI 53226 Cellular: 414-303- 1242 Fax (414) 456-6166 Office: 414-456-4700 EMBARGO PRESS RELEASE: NOVEMBER 16, 2009, 4:15 PM, ET. CONTACT for MUM/INMP: Ken Chawkin, 641-470-1314, kchaw...@mum.edu Transcendental Meditation helped heart disease patients lower risks of heart attack, stroke, and death by nearly 50 percent Results of first-ever study to be presented at annual meeting of the American Heart Association in Orlando, Nov. 16 Patients with coronary heart disease who practiced the stress-reducing Transcendental Meditation® technique had nearly 50 percent lower rates of heart attack, stroke, and death compared to non-meditating controls, according to the results of a first-ever study presented during the annual meeting of the American Heart Association in Orlando, Fla., on Nov.16, 2009. The trial was sponsored by a $3.8 million grant from the National Institutes of Health-National Heart, Lung, and Blood Institute, and was conducted at The Medical College of Wisconsin in Milwaukee in collaboration with the Institute for Natural Medicine and Prevention at Maharishi University of Management in Fairfield, Iowa. The nine-year, randomized control trial followed 201 African-American men and women, average age 59 years, with narrowing of arteries in their hearts who were randomly assigned to either practice the stress-reducing Transcendental Meditation technique or to participate in a control group which received health education classes in traditional risk factors, including dietary modification and exercise. All participants continued standard medications and other usual medical care. The study found: * A 47 percent reduction in the combination of death, heart attacks, and strokes in the participants * Clinically significant (5 mm Hg average) reduction in blood pressure associated with decrease in clinical events * Significant reductions in psychological stress in the high-stress subgroup According to Robert Schneider, M.D., FACC, lead author and director of the Center for Natural Medicine and Prevention, Previous research on Transcendental Meditation has shown reductions in blood pressure, psychological stress, and other risk factors for heart disease, irrespective of ethnicity. But this is the first controlled clinical trial to show that long-term practice of this particular stress reduction program reduces the incidence of clinical cardiovascular events, that is heart attacks, strokes and mortality. This study is an example of the contribution of a lifestyle intervention-stress management-to the prevention of cardiovascular disease in high-risk patients, said Theodore Kotchen, M.D., co-author of the study, professor of medicine, and associate dean for clinical research at the Medical College. Other
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Peace in the Middle East: Scientific solution
-- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , seekliberation seekliberat...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: Not a bad idea Off, you're right that this discussion could go on forever, and it's perhaps better off to agree to disagree. I don't mean to open up another can of worms here, but regarding America being dangerous, it's only in high crime areas that's dangerous. I know very few people who've been attacked and nobody who has been killed. Unless you are like me and you think that Bush is a criminal who has killed hundreds of thousands of innocents in just a few years. Worse crome rate than any other country in the last 20 years. I think you're comparing America to your country, whether it is Scotland or England, which I'm quite certain has less crime and is safer. Not much less, and I was'nt talking about domestic crime. When a child is killed in Iraq, that is MY child that was killed. For Americans it always seems they cry and cry about their soldiers who signed up willingly for a dangerous job, but ignore all the hundreds of thousands of innocents killed as if these people being killed are not humans You're culture seems to have grown out of some negative traits that ours hasn't. Like Scotland outlawing slavery in 1300. The basis of the first anti-slavery court case in the world -- which was in England -- was based on the fact that Scotland had outlawed slavery hundreds of years before (these court cases scared the American slave owners, so the American land-owners started a false flag operation against the British (who were governed by a Parliament for the people, not by King George as your historians have falsely claimed), in order to keep the slaves without which they would have gone bankrupt. The Brits were too busy at war with the Papists who wanted to ban all religion except Catholicism in the world and governments who did not serve the Pope) . America would be under the Pope if Britain had not gone off to beat the French and the Spanish in what Winston Churchil called the real First World War because it was fought all over the world. The American War of Independence was in insignificant battle within that much more important war, which if the British had lost, there would be no United States of America at all. And the Americans refused to pay taxes or supply men for all that defense had been done for them for over a century. After the British defeated the Papist France and Spain, the British then had to go off and defeat Napolean, who would also have destroyed the USA had he become Emporor of Europe. Peace. :-) OffWorld seekliberation Well, I respect your in-depth answer Seeker, but I refuse to argue this while you are still in the military. I know that you personally and thousands like you are doing good, but I don't see the big picture that way. In my mind America created 9/11 by all the interference in the middle east for decades. We have different views, and we will just have to agree to disagree. The bottom line is, that every time you say that grotesque and unnecessary violence is wide-spread in these places, and that America is not as dangerous a place, you forget that I see the mass killings of innocents by the US military as being the same thing. Bush is a mass murderer in my eyes and a wanted criminal. You say it is not as violent in America as these places, but that is because America has exported its violence on a much larger scale -- abroad. 3,000 Americans died in 9/11. Estimates are that in Afghanistan and Iraq hundreds of thousands of innocents - that's iINNOCENTS - either as a direct kill, or as a result of the ensuing violence and displacement and disease, have been killed by the warmongers. An eye for an eye will make the whole world blind -- Mahatma Gandhi Just tell your superiors to learn TM and teach the Sidhis to their troops. Don't take no for an answer. OffWorld --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , seekliberation seekliberation@ wrote: Offworld, For the sake of simplicity, I deleted a lot your comments to make this an easier read. Re: our alliance with Saudi, and our backing of other countries Our alliance with Saudi Arabia started with Franklin Roosevelt. He felt whoever has the strongest alliance would eventually be the world's economic superpower, and he was right. But he also put us at the mercy of a region that is unstable, and a culture that is unreliable and for the most part hates our culture. Regarding Osama Bin Laden, he did not build the Taliban. He built Al Qaeda. The Taliban only gave Al Qaeda refuge because they were pissed at Hillary Clinton and Margaret Thatcher for pleading to the UN
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Peace in the Middle East: Scientific solution
For Americans it always seems they cry and cry about their soldiers who signed up willingly for a dangerous job, but ignore all the hundreds of thousands of innocents killed as if these people being killed are not humans yes, Americans are cry babies about a lot of things. You are only hitting the tip of the iceburg there. Regarding deaths as a result of America, there is a lot of genocide that has been going on throughout the world in the last 10-20 years. For whatever reason, it doesn't reach headlines. Sudan, Rwanda, Burma, and several other places in Africa and southeast Asia have been intentionally wiping out entire villages in the same way the Soviets did in Afghanistan in the 80's. Once again, not trying to start an argument here. Overall, you and I don't see things quite as differently as it seems. I am all about withdrawing from the war now. But it is only because I don't really see our forces really trying to win. The only units that are really equipped to win the war in Afghanistan are Army green berets and Marsoc, but Marsoc to a lesser extent. They have been working with local villages and building up the Afghanistan infrastructure, economy, and way of life. This makes it impossible for Taliban to remain there or gain any trust of the local population, which is why they're all in Pakistan now. Now Obama wants to go into Pakistan, and I don't think he really knows what he's getting into. It's going to be 'Operation Anoconda' all over again.really ugly. That place will be out of control, and American soldiers are already burnt out as it is. Americans, much like the british in history, have always relied on conventional and technological advantage and don't do so well in UW (unconventional warfare). The brits have lost 2 wars in Afghanistan, Alexander the great lost, and the Soviets lost also. Genghis Khan had a successful battle once, but never really conquered the country. Nobody ever has. Moreover, the whole Afghan government is entirely corrupt. I believe this war is unwinnable. Thanks for the history lesson. I am well aware of the false pretense of American history. In addition to the Revolutionary/Independance War, the Civil War has many conspiracy theories behind it as well. I've read sources that claim Abraham Lincoln never cared about slavery so much as he cared about the United States becoming divided. Marine Corps history that is taught in our boot camp is full of a lot of shit too. I have a friend who plans to run for congress shortly after he retires from the military. He has done quite a bit of research and has shown me sources to look up regarding the reality of past Marine Corps history. Everything he's shown indicates that the Marine Corps has been living off of a false reputation for at least 3-4 decades, if not much longer. (i'm not saying it's entirely false, but a lot of things are blown way out of proportion). With the exception of a few minor conflicts and reaction to terrorism, I believe WWI and WWII were probably the only true honorable wars we fought in. However, there are even conspiracy theories out there that WWII could've been avoided as well. I don't have time to get into them though. peace out seekliberation
