[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis Coming St. Paul, MN > May 1!

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine  wrote:
> 
> > Can't believe Jerry's allowing himself to be
> > used this way.
> > 
> > Sal
> 
> I think he loves this Sal, he is a super religious Jewish old man with his 
> Vedic Torah.  Plus I think the usual deal is to split the fees with him which 
> depending on the numbers is a pretty good speaker fee.  And all he has to do 
> is show up and have everyone in the room hang on his every word, giggle at 
> every single joke and act towards him in the reverence they once held for 
> Maharishi, Jerry Jarvis, knower of the ultimate reality.  If he says 
> something mundane like that he watched Saturday Night Live, he will get super 
> kudos for being so grounded, if he quotes Vyasa, people will figure he 
> probably hangs out with him in his program.  And when he says something cute 
> about how wonderful Maharishi is in that funny pronunciation he has 
> "Maha-r-i-shi with short "i" not pronounced like an "e", people will go 
> "aw" like someone just brought in a brand new litter of kittens.   
> 
> Not the toughest gig in the world.

Bingo. And, for a change, not overpriced for
a one-day seminar.

To add to what Curtis says, anyone who knew
Jerry knows how much he *loves* to rap about
this theoretical stuff. *Who else* could he
rap with at this point? 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis Coming St. Paul, MN > May 1!

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill"  wrote:
>
> Did you learn to speak in such a way from Master Hsuan Hua?
> 
> Must be some special tantra you deciphered from those meat-eating
> Tibetans that gave you this kind of siddhi.
> 
> Maybe you heard it yourself - Terton Xifu Zero

My bet is that Jerry would crack up ROTFL at 
this accurate (and affectionate) skewering.
We used to do our own SNL-like parodies of
him at National all the time, and he was
never offended by any of them, often res-
ponding by doing an equally accurate parody
of the person parodying him. 

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "yifuxero"  wrote:
> >
> > Should be a great event! Don't forget the Maharishi mudra and the
> burps. The MMY mudra as follows:
> > Move the right hand up and down gently, as if chopping vegetables
> invisibly; while saying ("wary Sweet, wary Sweet,...Sweet...), as the
> Sweet trails off into silence. Everyone is left flabbergasted at such
> wisdom!
> > After the audience comes to their senses from being Blissed out like
> the V robot-reptiles after being zapped by Anna, we allow Jerry to
> speak.
> > ...
> > He speaks at length on such topics as:
> > "Everything is Perfect as it Is"
> > "What will Be, will Be".
> > "TM will make you happy"
> > ...
> > Followed by the statistics from DOJ and then questions and answers.
> > Each answer incorporates the famous Jerry burp, which MMY originated
> but Jerry honed to perfection. It's barely audible but there's a
> distinct burping spasm.
> > This magnifies the effect of any particular statement, such as
> "Everything is good as it is";,...and so on.
> > Take note! The burp is equivalent to a Papal decree and just means
> people are to accept the truths spoken without question.
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
> curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Can't believe Jerry's allowing himself to be
> > > > used this way.
> > > >
> > > > Sal
> > >
> > > I think he loves this Sal, he is a super religious Jewish old man
> with his Vedic Torah. Plus I think the usual deal is to split the fees
> with him which depending on the numbers is a pretty good speaker fee.
> And all he has to do is show up and have everyone in the room hang on
> his every word, giggle at every single joke and act towards him in the
> reverence they once held for Maharishi, Jerry Jarvis, knower of the
> ultimate reality. If he says something mundane like that he watched
> Saturday Night Live, he will get super kudos for being so grounded, if
> he quotes Vyasa, people will figure he probably hangs out with him in
> his program. And when he says something cute about how wonderful
> Maharishi is in that funny pronunciation he has "Maha-r-i-shi with short
> "i" not pronounced like an "e", people will go "aw" like someone
> just brought in a brand new litter of kittens.
> > >
> > > Not the toughest gig in the world.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > On Apr 11, 2010, at 3:25 PM, Rick Archer wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > We are very happy to announce an
> > > > >
> > > > > All-Day Seminar on Maharishi's Teaching—
> > > > >
> > > > > The Supreme Knowledge of Life
> > > > >
> > > > > Conducted by Jerry Jarvis
> > > > >
> > > > > Saturday, May 1, 2010
> > > >
> > > > Can't believe Jerry's allowing himself to be
> > > > used this way.
> > > >
> > > > Sal
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis Coming St. Paul, MN > May 1!

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill"  wrote:
>
> Did you learn to speak in such a way from Master Hsuan Hua?
> 
> Must be some special tantra you deciphered from those meat-eating
> Tibetans that gave you this kind of siddhi.
> 
> Maybe you heard it yourself - Terton Xifu Zero

Emptybill, I confess to having been a bit
shocked by this, and must follow up on it
because so *much* classic spiritual ignor-
ance seems to be encapsulated in so few 
words here:

* Elitism -- without actually saying it, you
seem to be making a case for some (ahem...you)
being better and more high-vibe than "meat-
eaters," or those damned low-vibe "Tibetans," 
or "tantra," or people who studied with a 
"lesser" teacher such as Hsuan Hua. 

* Fear of fun -- the whole genesis of your 
post seems to be that there is something bad
or questionable about poking fun at a spirit-
ual teacher (in this case Maharishi or Jerry).
Do you *really* not get to poke fun at your
teacher(s), whoever he(they) are? How sad for
you if true. 

* Heresy -- definitely implied, as if yifuxero
did something Really Really Bad by poking fun
at Maharishi's and Jerry's manipulation gestures.

* Fear of making one's own decisions -- this is
the one that surprises me the most. You seem to
be trying to "insult" yifuxero by suggesting 
that he trusts his own intuition or experiences
and "heard it himself." What would be the opposite, 
the thing you see as preferable -- trusting what 
you heard from someone else?

I think you can tell by my response that I don't
truck with putting teachers up on some kind of
pedestal in a privileged place where they cannot
and should not be made fun of. For that matter,
I wouldn't truck with any teacher who allowed 
his or her students to think that way. 

Any teacher who can't stand the heat of a little
affectionate parody or poking should stay out of
the spiritual kitchen IMO. 

As I suggested before, Jerry (IMO, having worked
with him for many years) would be laughing harder
at yifuxero's comments than anyone else. Why
weren't you? What samskaric buttons got pushed 
in you by what he said? The only thing I can
figure out is that the main one is the "My
spiritual teacher's/tradition's dick is longer 
than your spiritual teacher's/tradition's dick" 
button, otherwise known as the Jealousy Button.

[FairfieldLife] When Insults Had Class (was Re: Defendor)

[Hugo]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine  wrote:
> >
> > On Apr 11, 2010, at 12:01 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:
> > 
> > "Thank you for sending me a copy of your book; I'll waste no time reading 
> > it." - Moses Hadas
> > 
> > His son David was one of my teachers in college--
> > same dry wit and insights.  His class--The Bible as Literature--
> > was one of the most popular.


Can't remember who said it but:

"From the moment I picked your book up until the
moment I put it down I was convulsed with laughter,
some day I intend reading it."

Hits the spot. Or how about the superbly withering:

"Your book is both good and original, unfortunately
the bits that are good aren't original and the bits 
that are original aren't good."


> Another similar "book insult," although I have 
> forgotten its creator's name, was:
> 
> "The only trouble with this book is that the covers are too 
> far apart."
> 
> Some other favorites of mine:
> 
> "I never thought much of Pat Buchanan until I heard one of his 
> speeches in the original German."  - Molly Ivins
> 
> "Men always fall for frigid women because they put on the best 
> show."  - Fanny Brice
> 
> "The trouble with born-again Christians is that they are an 
> even bigger pain the second time around."  - Herb Caen
> 
> "When a man opens the car door for his wife, it's either a 
> new car or a new wife."  - Prince Philip, Duke Of Edinburgh
> 
> "A lady came up to me on the street and pointed at my suede 
> jacket. 'You know a cow was murdered for that jacket?' she 
> sneered. I replied in a psychotic tone, 'I didn't know there 
> were any witnesses. Now I'll have to kill you too.'" 
> - Jake Johansen
> 
> "A disciple is an asshole, looking for a human being to attach 
> itself to."  - Robert Anton Wilson
> 
> "His mere presence here is depriving some village of its idiot."
> - John Cleese
> 
> "Suppose you were an idiot . . . And suppose you were a member 
> of Congress . . . But I repeat myself."  - Mark Twain
> 
> "Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey 
> and car keys to teenage boys."  - P. J. O'Rourke
> 
> "Every editor should have a pimp for a brother, so he will have 
> somebody to look up to."  - H.L. Mencken
>

[FairfieldLife] I'm not the Messiah!

[Hugo]

We don't need a messiah (and anyway, it isn't me)
Coincidence led to my being hailed as a prince of peace. But change will
come from our own hard work, not a deity

Firstborn sons of British Asian families aren't so much raised as feted,
and as a child I became quite comfortable being a little prince. At
seven years old, I wanted the privileges of primogeniture to carry on
forever. When people asked what I wanted to be when I grew up, I
responded with the full spectrum of acceptable answers: Accountant!
Dentist! Quantity Surveyor! Secretly, though, I wanted to be full-time
royalty. From what I saw of the British monarchy – and I have yet to
be disabused of this view – it seemed that if you were born in the
right place and time, you could enjoy almost permanent adulation, free
money and long hours of indolence.

I mention this first because earlier this year a trickle, and then a
flood, of email asked whether I was, in fact a prince. Specifically,
people asked whether I was Maitreya
  – The World Teacher – a
prince of peace, the leader of a movement that might be able to save the
planet from itself. Others wrote to ask whether I was the antichrist,
the Prince of Darkness.

As the Guardian
  reported, the deluge began after a number of coincidences seemed to
match me up with the man foretold by followers of a group called Share
International  , founded by
Scottish mystic Benjamin Crème. I'd done little to earn the title of
Maitreya, though I admit some parallels between my life and that
described in the prophecy.

Have I lived in London? Yes. Am I interested in social justice and
sharing the world's resources? Indeed I am. Do I care about feeding the
world? Certainly. Was I on American television soon before Crème
announced the arrival of Maitreya? Sort of. On 12 January, I appeared on
a spoof rightwing talk show called the Colbert Report
 . I'd also been on BBC World,
CNN, Democracy Now and al-Jazeera before then, but it seems you can't be
a deity unless you do Comedy Central.

So what, according to Share International, does Maitreya do? Through a
doctrine of sharing, fraternity, social justice and co-operation, he
(and it does seem to be a he, not a she) brings humanity back from
economic and ecological collapse through new forms of spiritual
community. As it happens, I do think that sharing, fraternity, justice
and co-operation are terrific things. I also think that prioritising the
needs of the poor, hungry and oppressed is a non-negotiable part of a
sustainable future.

Unfortunately, I think that's where the resemblances end. It frustrates
me only a little less than it might disappoint those looking for
Maitreya that, in fact, I'm just an ordinary bloke. Not that my protests
of not-being-the-messiah have been heeded. I wrote a short piece on my
blog suggesting that, like the hero of Life of Brian
 , I was the victim of a case of
mistaken identity, and that "you've got to work it out for yourselves".
This didn't fly. I was reminded by my correspondents that the Maitreya
would deny divinity. And when I suggested that I wasn't the messiah,
"but a very naughty boy", others pointed out that this was exactly what
Lucifer would say.

Crème himself hasn't been able to help. He was recently interviewed
by Mick Brown, the author of The Spiritual Tourist
 , and Crème suggested that I wasn't the messiah but,
instead, more closely resembled "that chap who does the cricket on the
radio" – possibly Jonathan Agnew
 . But that
hasn't stopped the internet from churning out its particular brand of
speculation, and for the media to amplify the frenzy.

In part, I suspect the reason the story isn't going away – the New
York Times
  just ran a followup – is because it fits a narrative in which
we're steeped from birth. From the Bible to Knight Rider to The Matrix,
the story's the same: in crappy times, a single person will emerge to
make all the difference and turn everything around. Although it makes
for great viewing, it makes for a bad society. Ultimately, tales about
messiahs are bedtime stories steeped in power. They're debilitating
soporifics, inducements to be passive as we wait for social change
because, some day, our prince will come.

Why wait, though? If the world is to transform, faith in politicians
offering hope and change is a recipe for disappointment. Ask almost
anyone who voted for Obama. Change happens through millions of acts of
rebellion and mutual aid, not through faith in one great leader. What's
depressing about this whole Maitreya thing is that it is a sign th

[FairfieldLife] We don't need a messiah (and anyway, it isn't me)

[nablusoss1008]

We don't need a messiah (and anyway, it isn't me)
Coincidence led to my being hailed as a prince of peace. But change will
come from our own hard work, not a deity



*  [Raj Patel]   
*
* Raj Patel 
* guardian.co.uk  , Sunday 11 April 2010
19.00 BST
* Article history



Firstborn sons of British Asian families aren't so much raised as feted,
and as a child I became quite comfortable being a little prince. At
seven years old, I wanted the privileges of primogeniture to carry on
forever. When people asked what I wanted to be when I grew up, I
responded with the full spectrum of acceptable answers: Accountant!
Dentist! Quantity Surveyor! Secretly, though, I wanted to be full-time
royalty. From what I saw of the British monarchy – and I have yet to
be disabused of this view – it seemed that if you were born in the
right place and time, you could enjoy almost permanent adulation, free
money and long hours of indolence.

I mention this first because earlier this year a trickle, and then a
flood, of email asked whether I was, in fact a prince. Specifically,
people asked whether I was Maitreya
  – The World Teacher – a
prince of peace, the leader of a movement that might be able to save the
planet from itself. Others wrote to ask whether I was the antichrist,
the Prince of Darkness.

As the Guardian
  reported, the deluge began after a number of coincidences seemed to
match me up with the man foretold by followers of a group called Share
International  , founded by
Scottish mystic Benjamin Crème. I'd done little to earn the title of
Maitreya, though I admit some parallels between my life and that
described in the prophecy.

Have I lived in London? Yes. Am I interested in social justice and
sharing the world's resources? Indeed I am. Do I care about feeding the
world? Certainly. Was I on American television soon before Crème
announced the arrival of Maitreya? Sort of. On 12 January, I appeared on
a spoof rightwing talk show called the Colbert Report
 . I'd also been on BBC World,
CNN, Democracy Now and al-Jazeera before then, but it seems you can't be
a deity unless you do Comedy Central.

So what, according to Share International, does Maitreya do? Through a
doctrine of sharing, fraternity, social justice and co-operation, he
(and it does seem to be a he, not a she) brings humanity back from
economic and ecological collapse through new forms of spiritual
community. As it happens, I do think that sharing, fraternity, justice
and co-operation are terrific things. I also think that prioritising the
needs of the poor, hungry and oppressed is a non-negotiable part of a
sustainable future.

Unfortunately, I think that's where the resemblances end. It frustrates
me only a little less than it might disappoint those looking for
Maitreya that, in fact, I'm just an ordinary bloke. Not that my protests
of not-being-the-messiah have been heeded. I wrote a short piece on my
blog suggesting that, like the hero of Life of Brian
 , I was the victim of a case of
mistaken identity, and that "you've got to work it out for yourselves".
This didn't fly. I was reminded by my correspondents that the Maitreya
would deny divinity. And when I suggested that I wasn't the messiah,
"but a very naughty boy", others pointed out that this was exactly what
Lucifer would say.

Crème himself hasn't been able to help. He was recently interviewed
by Mick Brown, the author of The Spiritual Tourist
 , and Crème suggested that I wasn't the messiah but,
instead, more closely resembled "that chap who does the cricket on the
radio" – possibly Jonathan Agnew
 . But that
hasn't stopped the internet from churning out its particular brand of
speculation, and for the media to amplify the frenzy.

In part, I suspect the reason the story isn't going away – the New
York Times
  just ran a followup – is because it fits a narrative in which
we're steeped from birth. From the Bible to Knight Rider to The Matrix,
the story's the same: in crappy times, a single person will emerge to
make all the difference and turn everything around. Although it makes
for great viewing, it makes for a bad society. Ultimately, tales about
messiahs are bedtime stories steeped in power. They're debilitating
soporifics, inducements to be passive as we wait for social change
because, some day, our prince will co

[FairfieldLife] Atheists say - Arrest the pope!

[Hugo]

Richard Dawkins calls for Pope to be put on trial
Critics including Christopher Hitchens are exploring legal options for
Pope Benedict XVI to face trial in UK

* Helen Pidd 
* guardian.co.uk  , Sunday 11 April 2010
20.33 BST
* Article history

  [Pope Benedict XVI blesses during Sunday Angelus prayer at his
residence of Castelgandolfo]
Pope Benedict XVI during Sunday Angelus prayer at his residence of
Castelgandolfo, south of Rome, April 11, 2010. Photograph: Osservatore
Romano/REUTERS

Prominent atheists Richard Dawkins
  and Christopher Hitchens
  are paying
lawyers to investigate the possibility of prosecuting the pope for
crimes against humanity, their solicitor confirmed today.

The pair argue that Pope Benedict XVI
  should be arrested
when he visits Britain in September and put on trial for his alleged
cover-up of sexual abuse in the Catholic church. Last week a letter
emerged from 1985 in which the then Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger urged that
a paedophilic priest in America not be defrocked for the "good of the
universal church".

The Vatican has already suggested the pope is immune from prosecution
because he is a head of state. But Dawkins and Hitchens believe that
because he is not the head of a state with full United Nations
membership, he does not hold immunity and could be arrested when he
steps on to British soil.

This is the advice they have been given by their lawyers – solicitor
Mark Stephens and human rights barrister Geoffrey Robertson QC.

"I'm convinced we can get over the threshold of immunity," said
Stephens. "The Vatican is not recognised as a state in international
law. People assume that it has existed for time immemorial but it was a
construct of Mussolini, and when the Vatican first applied to become a
member of the UN, the US said no. So as a sop they were given the status
of permanent observers rather than full members."

But the Holy See insists it is a state like any other. Earlier this
month, Giuseppe Dalla Torre, Vatican tribunal chief, said: "The pope is
certainly a head of state and he has the same legal status as all heads
of state."

Stephens said there are three lines of approach to put the pope in the
dock. "One is that we apply for a warrant to the international criminal
court. Alternatively, criminal proceedings could be brought here, either
a public prosecution brought by the Crown Prosecution Service or a
private prosecution. That would require at least one victim to come
forward who is either from this jurisdiction or was abused here. The
third option is for individuals to lodge civil claims," said Stephens.

He said he had recently been approached by seven wealthy individuals who
donated money to the Catholic church and were dismayed their money had
not only been used to fund abuse but also buy the silence of victims.
These people could potentially sue the pope, Stephens suggested.

Writing in the Washington Post on Friday, Dawkins described Ratzinger as
a "leering old villain in a frock … whose first instinct when his
priests are caught with their pants down is to cover up the scandal and
damn the young victims to silence."

Without admitting that he had consulted lawyers he added: "This former
head of the Inquisition should be arrested the moment he dares to set
foot outside his tinpot fiefdom of the Vatican, and he should be tried
in an appropriate civil – not ecclesiastical – court. That's
what should happen. Sadly, we all know our faith-befuddled governments
will be too craven to do it."

Pope Benedict will be in Britain from 16-19 September where he will
beatify the theologian Cardinal John Henry Newman.

[FairfieldLife] US military warn of peak oil by 2015

[Hugo]

Found this hidden away in the business section which is odd because I
can't think of anything that is more likely to affect everyone on Earth
more quickly and completely than the massive upheaval in all areas of
life that peak oil is going to bring. It wouldn't be so bad if
governments were preparing for it but they aren't. The UKs bunch of
hopeless tossers thinks that because we can get 85,ooo,ooo barrels out
of the ground today we will be able to do it for the forseeable future.
Even the Saudis are saying we need to get alternatives ready! And now
the US military speak up, it must be getting desperate.

You'd think with an election in England the parties would have something
to say about it but the inevitable disaster for the world economy is
such that it's a lot easier to put your head in the sand and hope it
doesn't happen on your watch. Too late for that it would seem


US military warns oil output may dip causing massive shortages by 2015
• Shortfall could reach 10m barrels a day, report says
• Cost of crude oil is predicted to top $100 a barrel

* Terry Macalister

* guardian.co.uk  , Sunday 11 April 2010
18.47 BST
* Article history

  [Total oil refinery]
Surplus oil production capacity could disappear by 2012 a report from US
Joint Forces Command, says. Photograph: Katja Buchholz/Getty Images



The US military   has
warned that surplus oil  
production capacity could disappear within two years and there could be
serious shortages by 2015 with a significant economic and political
impact.

The energy crisis outlined in a Joint Operating Environment report from
the US Joint Forces Command, comes as the price of petrol in Britain
reaches record levels and the cost of crude is predicted to soon top
$100 a barrel.

"By 2012, surplus oil production capacity could entirely disappear, and
as early as 2015, the shortfall in output could reach nearly 10 million
barrels per day," says the report, which has a foreword by a senior
commander, General James N Mattis.

It adds: "While it is difficult to predict precisely what economic,
political, and strategic effects such a shortfall might produce, it
surely would reduce the prospects for growth in both the developing and
developed worlds. Such an economic slowdown would exacerbate other
unresolved tensions, push fragile and failing states further down the
path toward collapse, and perhaps have serious economic impact on both
China   and India
 ."

The US military says its views cannot be taken as US government policy
but admits they are meant to provide the Joint Forces with "an
intellectual foundation upon which we will construct the concept to
guide out future force developments."

The warning is the latest in a series from around the world that has
turned peak oil – the moment when demand exceeds supply – from a
distant threat to a more immediate risk.

The Wicks Review on UK energy policy published last summer effectively
dismissed fears but Lord Hunt, the British energy minister, met
concerned industrialists two weeks ago
  in a
sign that it is rapidly changing its mind on the seriousness of the
issue.

The Paris-based International Energy Agency remains confident that there
is no short-term risk of oil shortages but privately some senior
officials have admitted there is considerable disagreement internally
about this upbeat stance.

Future fuel supplies are of acute importance to the US army because it
is believed to be the biggest single user of petrol in the world. BP
  chief executive, Tony Hayward,
said recently that there was little chance of crude from the
carbon-heavy Canadian tar sands being banned in America because the US
military like to have local supplies rather than rely on the politically
unstable Middle East.

But there are signs that the US Department of Energy might also be
changing its stance on peak oil. In a recent interview with French
newspaper, Le Monde, Glen Sweetnam, main oil adviser to the Obama
administration, admitted that "a chance exists that we may experience a
decline" of world liquid fuels production between 2011 and 2015 if the
investment was not forthcoming.

Lionel Badal, a post-graduate student at Kings College, London, who has
been researching peak oil theories, said the review by the American
military moves the debate on.

"It's surprising to see that the US Army, unlike the US Department of
Energy, publicly warns of major oil shortages in the near-term. Now it
could be interesting to know on which study the information is based
on," he said.

"The Energy Information A

[FairfieldLife] When Insults Had Class (was Re: Defendor)

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hugo"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine  wrote:
> > >
> > > On Apr 11, 2010, at 12:01 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:
> > > >
> > > > "Thank you for sending me a copy of your book; I'll waste no 
> > > > time reading it." - Moses Hadas
> > > 
> > > His son David was one of my teachers in college--
> > > same dry wit and insights.  His class--The Bible as Literature--
> > > was one of the most popular.
> 
> Can't remember who said it but:
> 
> "From the moment I picked your book up until the
> moment I put it down I was convulsed with laughter,
> some day I intend reading it."
> 
> Hits the spot. Or how about the superbly withering:
> 
> "Your book is both good and original, unfortunately
> the bits that are good aren't original and the bits 
> that are original aren't good."

Not a book review but one of my favorite film
reviews of all times was scathing both in its
brevity and its accuracy. It was a mini-review
of the film "Remo Williams: The Adventure Begins."
The entire review consisted of the word "When?"  :-)

And while we're at it, no mention of The Art Of
The Insult would be complete without more offer-
ings from its master,  Oscar Wilde:

"Bad artists always admire each other's work. They call it 
being large-minded and free from prejudice. But a truly 
great artist cannot conceive of life being shown, or beauty 
fashioned, under any conditions other than those he has 
selected."

"I always pass on good advice.  It is the only thing to do 
with it. It is never of any use to oneself."

"Mr. Whistler always spelt art, and we believe still spells 
it, with a capital 'I.'"

"His work was that curious mixture of bad painting and good 
intentions that always entitles a man to be called a 
representative British artist."

"I have found that all ugly things are made by those who 
strive to make something beautiful, and that all beautiful 
things are made by those who strive to make something useful."

"Only dull people are brilliant at breakfast."

"To many, no doubt, he will seem to be somewhat blatant and 
bumptious, but we prefer to regard him as being simply British."

"Consistency is the last refuge of the unimaginative."

"The well-bred contradict other people. The wise contradict 
themselves."

"She wore far too much rouge last night and not quite enough 
clothes. That is always a sign of despair in a woman."

"Dullness is the coming of age of seriousness."

"A man's face is his autobiography. A woman's face is her work 
of fiction."

"What a fuss people make about fidelity!  Why, even in love it 
is purely a question for physiology. It has nothing to do with 
our own will. Young men want to be faithful, and are not; old 
men want to be faithless, and cannot: that is all one can say."

"The amount of women in London who flirt with their own husbands 
is perfectly scandalous. It looks so bad. It is simply washing 
one's clean linen in public."

"The Americans are certainly hero-worshippers, and always take 
their heroes from the criminal classes."

"One knows so well the popular idea of health. The English country 
gentleman galloping after a fox-the unspeakable in full pursuit of 
the uneatable."

"The mind of the thoroughly well-informed man is a dreadful thing. 
It is like a bric-à-brac shop, all monsters and dust, with 
everything priced above its proper value."

"The liar at any rate recognizes that recreation, not instruction, 
is the aim of conversation, and is a far more civilised being than 
the blockhead who loudly expresses his disbelief in a story which 
is told simply for the amusement of the company."

"To live is the rarest thing in the world. Most people exist, that 
is all."

"There's nothing in the world like the devotion of a married woman. 
It's a thing no married man knows anything about."

"If you are not too long, I will wait here for you all my life."

"Twenty years of romance make a woman look like a ruin, but twenty 
years of marriage make her something like a public building."

"Men marry because they are tired; women, because they are curious; 
both are disappointed."

"If a man needs an elaborate tombstone in order to remain in the 
memory of his country, it is clear that his living at all was an 
act of absolute superfluity."

"Morality is simply the attitude we adopt towards people we 
personally dislike."

"Whenever a man does a thoroughly stupid thing, it is always from 
the noblest motives."

"There is nothing so difficult to marry as a large nose."

"It is absurd to divide people into good and bad. People are 
either charming or tedious."

"Religions die when they are proved to be true. Science is the 
record of dead religions."

"An excellent man; he has no enemies; and none of his friends 
like him."

"I don't like Switzerland; it has produced nothing but theologians 
and waiters."

"Everybody who is incapable of learning has taken to teaching

[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis Coming St. Paul, MN > May 1!

[Buck]

Evidently something good in Transcendental Meditation is happening.

Seeing Jerry Jarvis again could be extreemely enjoyable.  I'd drive up there to 
see it.  

Could they let Jerry speak in Fairfield for a 'badge-less' meeting with the 
larger meditating community here?  Would Jerry meet with the meditators 
no-badge-niks off campus now?   Or, is he too much the party-man now to be 
independent that way?  Independent of Bevan?  Could his TM handlers let him out 
in Fairfield?  Would Bevan?

Jai Guru Dev,
-B in FF


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> All-Day Seminar on Maharishi’s Teachingâ€" 
> The Supreme Knowledge of Life 
> Conducted by Jerry Jarvis 
>  Saturday, May 1, 2010 
>  “Truly there is in this world nothing so purifying as knowledge.”  â€" 
> Bhagavad Gita 4:38 
>  “Knowledge is based on experience and Enlightenment is based on 
> knowledge.”  â€" Maharishi 
> This seminar presents an invaluable opportunity to explore in depth the 
> fundamentals of Vedic Scienceâ€"Maharishi’s comprehensive teaching of Total 
> Knowledge on the nature, structure and dynamics of life, freedom and 
> Enlightenment. Studying Maharishi’s teaching and the Vedic texts provides 
> the opportunity to verify our understanding and gain that Knowledge "worthy 
> of hearing, contemplating and realizing". - Upanishads 
> Those who have attended sessions conducted by Jerry know how valuable, 
> enjoyable, and inspiring they can be. Beginning in 1961 Jerry worked and 
> studied closely with Maharishi, helping to bring this supreme teaching to all 
> areas of society.  Particularly in the 1960's and 1970's, Jerry was among 
> those instrumental in bringing the TM program to more than a million in the 
> US. 
>  We look forward to spending this whole day with Jerry on Maharishi’s 
> teaching and invite you to share it with us.   
>  
> This three-part seminar is presented as an integrated whole; please plan on 
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> Part 3:  8:00 pm â€" 9:30 pm 
> Seminar Fee:  $85 (includes catered gourmet vegetarian lunch) 
> Location:  Maharishi Peace Palace 399 Ruth Street St. Paul, MN 55119 
> Meals: Seminar participants will enjoy lunch at the Peace Palace and be on 
> their own for dinner. There are many restaurants within 5-10 minutes of the 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Peter Wallace

[Buck]

Peter Wallace apparently had a massive stroke here the other day.  Is 
hospitalized up in Iowa City & had brain surgery.  

Is a noteworthy race against time re-couping the TM part of the TM movement 
after Maharishi using these old generation links to Maharishi.  The venerable 
foundation generation is getting thin.

Peter was recently making himself available to the MUM community that way, as 
someone who was there.  He was becoming an important re-teller of the old days 
lore to students around campus.  He was a fine story teller.  Enjoyable to 
listen to in that role.
  


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> 
>  The Transcendental Meditation Program 
>  
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> 
> Twin Cities maharishi Peace palace  (651)714-0254
>  
> 
> Dear Ron,
> We are very happy to announce an 
> All-Day Seminar on Maharishi’s Teachingâ€" 
> The Supreme Knowledge of Life 
> Conducted by Jerry Jarvis 
>  Saturday, May 1, 2010 
>  “Truly there is in this world nothing so purifying as knowledge.”  â€" 
> Bhagavad Gita 4:38 
>  “Knowledge is based on experience and Enlightenment is based on 
> knowledge.”  â€" Maharishi 
> This seminar presents an invaluable opportunity to explore in depth the 
> fundamentals of Vedic Scienceâ€"Maharishi’s comprehensive teaching of Total 
> Knowledge on the nature, structure and dynamics of life, freedom and 
> Enlightenment. Studying Maharishi’s teaching and the Vedic texts provides 
> the opportunity to verify our understanding and gain that Knowledge "worthy 
> of hearing, contemplating and realizing". - Upanishads 
> Those who have attended sessions conducted by Jerry know how valuable, 
> enjoyable, and inspiring they can be. Beginning in 1961 Jerry worked and 
> studied closely with Maharishi, helping to bring this supreme teaching to all 
> areas of society.  Particularly in the 1960's and 1970's, Jerry was among 
> those instrumental in bringing the TM program to more than a million in the 
> US. 
>  We look forward to spending this whole day with Jerry on Maharishi’s 
> teaching and invite you to share it with us.   
>  
> This three-part seminar is presented as an integrated whole; please plan on 
> attending all three sessions.  
>   Seminar Structure: 
> Part 1: 10:30 am â€" 12:30 pm
> Part 2:  2:00 pm â€" 4:00 pm 
> Part 3:  8:00 pm â€" 9:30 pm 
> Seminar Fee:  $85 (includes catered gourmet vegetarian lunch) 
> Location:  Maharishi Peace Palace 399 Ruth Street St. Paul, MN 55119 
> Meals: Seminar participants will enjoy lunch at the Peace Palace and be on 
> their own for dinner. There are many restaurants within 5-10 minutes of the 
> Peace Palace.   
> Overnight Accommodations: There are a few rooms available at the Peace Palace 
> for overnight stay ($108 per night). We have reserved a block of rooms at the 
> Sheraton, just 5 minutes from the Peace Palace and there are 4 or 5 other 
> hotels within 10 minutes of the Peace Palace. 
> TM-Sidhi Program for Governors and Sidhas:  Starts at 4:30 pm; Lift-off at 
> 5:30 PM. 
> Group Meditation for Meditators: 4:30 to 5:00 pm. 
> We truly hope you will be able to join us for this very special opportunity 
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[FairfieldLife] "Hallucinogens Have Doctors Tuning In Again"

[authfriend]

>From the New York Times this morning:

April 11, 2010
Hallucinogens Have Doctors Tuning In Again
By JOHN TIERNEY

...Scientists are taking a new look at hallucinogens,
which became taboo among regulators after enthusiasts 
like Timothy Leary promoted them in the 1960s with the 
slogan "Turn on, tune in, drop out." Now, using 
rigorous protocols and safeguards, scientists have won 
permission to study once again the drugs' potential for 
treating mental problems and illuminating the nature of 
consciousness

Researchers from around the world are gathering this 
week in San Jose, Calif., for the largest conference on 
psychedelic science held in the United States in four 
decades. They plan to discuss studies of psilocybin and 
other psychedelics for treating depression in cancer 
patients, obsessive-compulsive disorder, end-of-life 
anxiety, post-traumatic stress disorder and addiction 
to drugs or alcohol

Scientists are especially intrigued by the similarities 
between hallucinogenic experiences and the life-
changing revelations reported throughout history by 
religious mystics and those who meditate

Although federal regulators have resumed granting 
approval for controlled experiments with psychedelics, 
there has been little public money granted for the 
research, which is being conducted at Hopkins, the 
University of Arizona; Harvard; New York University; 
the University of California, Los Angeles; and other 
places. 

The work has been supported by nonprofit groups like 
the Heffter Research Institute and MAPS, the 
Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies. 

"There's this coming together of science and 
spirituality," said Rick Doblin, the executive director 
of MAPS. "We're hoping that the mainstream and the 
psychedelic community can meet in the middle and avoid 
another culture war. Thanks to changes over the last 40 
years in the social acceptance of the hospice movement 
and yoga and meditation, our culture is much more 
receptive now, and we're showing that these drugs can 
provide benefits that current treatments can't." 

Researchers are reporting preliminary success in using 
psilocybin to ease the anxiety of patients with 
terminal illnesses. Dr. Charles S. Grob, a psychiatrist 
who is involved in an experiment at U.C.L.A., describes 
it as "existential medicine" that helps dying people 
overcome fear, panic and depression. 

"Under the influences of hallucinogens," Dr. Grob 
writes, "individuals transcend their primary 
identification with their bodies and experience ego-
free states before the time of their actual physical 
demise, and return with a new perspective and profound 
acceptance of the life constant: change." 

Read more:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/12/science/12psychedelics.html?th&emc=th

http://tinyurl.com/y72ossl 

[FairfieldLife] Re: New TM.Org Blog Launch

[Buck]

I like this blog.

Nice secular reach. Not too many creme colored suits shown. And, they are going 
to do what with their crowns and robes as they go along?

As for a sign, I wait for even one raja outfit to show up at "My Lucky Day" as 
used clothing in the costume department.  The 'Bargain Box'.  Would be a ray of 
hope.

  

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[FairfieldLife] Re: New TM.Org Blog Launch

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> I like this blog.
>
> Nice secular reach. Not too many creme colored suits shown.

While I applaud your ability to see it positively, and as a sign of
change, I'm afraid that my view of it is "more of the same old same old,
only in a different format." So I'm going to limit my comments to
graphical ones:
 
[http://law.case.edu/faculty/friedman/raw/images/I%20used%20to%20have%20\
a%20blog.jpg]
  [http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gen/13/original.jpg]

[FairfieldLife] Re: New TM.Org Blog Launch

[WillyTex]

> > I like this blog.
> >
> > Nice secular reach. Not too many creme colored 
> > suits shown.
> >
Turq:
> While I applaud your ability to see it positively, 
> and as a sign of change, I'm afraid that my view 
> of it is "more of the same old same old, only in 
> a different format."
>
You're so negative all the time, Turq. Nothing seems 
to be good enough for you. But you failed to link to
your own blog or web site. Your online presence seems
to be limited to a single news forum and a web page
that is now going on ten years old without an update.

> So I'm going to limit my comments to graphical ones:
> 
Why bother? It only reinforces your own ego trip. You
long ago stopped being amusing or funny here. I know 
you can do a lot better than you've been doing. You 
could author your own blog - I for one would read it, 
if it was interesting. But you're just spouting  a 
lot of negativity lately.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Atheists say - Arrest the pope!

[WillyTex]

Hugo:
> Richard Dawkins calls for Pope to be put on trial...
>
What would you charge the Pope with? You might as well
put the Tibetan Dalia Lama on trial while you're at it, 
for selling 'snake oil'.

Yeah, that's the ticket!
  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis Coming St. Paul, MN > May 1!

[WillyTex]

> > > I think he loves this Sal, he is a super religious 
> > > Jewish old man with his Vedic Torah...
> > > 
> > Don't forget the Maharishi mudra and the burps...
> >
emptybill:
> Did you learn to speak in such a way from Master Hsuan Hua?
> 
Send in the clowns - Hugo, Sal, and Curtis! They deserve to
be roasted as the dimwits that bought the boatloads of snake 
oil. And NOW they want to complain. They are so much wiser
than everyone else. Yeah, write.

[FairfieldLife] Anger picked up from the environment (was Re: anger caused by enemies)

[WillyTex]

> > > I would love to hear your professional opinion of -- 
> > > across several years: Crystal, Jesse, Adam, Allison, 
> > > Carrie, Jeniffer, Daughtry?
> > > 
> > So, you have never seen or heard Crystal, Jesse, Adam, 
> > Allison, Carrie, Jeniffer, or Daughtry.
> >
Bhairitu:
> And why should I?
>
So you could share your professional opinion of Crystal, 
Jesse, Adam, Allison, Carrie, Jeniffer, and Daughtry?

[FairfieldLife] Re: We don't need a messiah (and anyway, it isn't me)

[curtisdeltablues]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:

Really excellent Nabby, thanks for posting this.



>
> 
> 
> We don't need a messiah (and anyway, it isn't me)
> Coincidence led to my being hailed as a prince of peace. But change will
> come from our own hard work, not a deity
> 
> 
> 
> *  [Raj Patel]   
> *
> * Raj Patel 
> * guardian.co.uk  , Sunday 11 April 2010
> 19.00 BST
> * Article history
>  -justice-messiah#history-link-box>
> 
> 
> Firstborn sons of British Asian families aren't so much raised as feted,
> and as a child I became quite comfortable being a little prince. At
> seven years old, I wanted the privileges of primogeniture to carry on
> forever. When people asked what I wanted to be when I grew up, I
> responded with the full spectrum of acceptable answers: Accountant!
> Dentist! Quantity Surveyor! Secretly, though, I wanted to be full-time
> royalty. From what I saw of the British monarchy – and I have yet to
> be disabused of this view – it seemed that if you were born in the
> right place and time, you could enjoy almost permanent adulation, free
> money and long hours of indolence.
> 
> I mention this first because earlier this year a trickle, and then a
> flood, of email asked whether I was, in fact a prince. Specifically,
> people asked whether I was Maitreya
>   – The World Teacher – a
> prince of peace, the leader of a movement that might be able to save the
> planet from itself. Others wrote to ask whether I was the antichrist,
> the Prince of Darkness.
> 
> As the Guardian
>  y>  reported, the deluge began after a number of coincidences seemed to
> match me up with the man foretold by followers of a group called Share
> International  , founded by
> Scottish mystic Benjamin Crème. I'd done little to earn the title of
> Maitreya, though I admit some parallels between my life and that
> described in the prophecy.
> 
> Have I lived in London? Yes. Am I interested in social justice and
> sharing the world's resources? Indeed I am. Do I care about feeding the
> world? Certainly. Was I on American television soon before Crème
> announced the arrival of Maitreya? Sort of. On 12 January, I appeared on
> a spoof rightwing talk show called the Colbert Report
>  . I'd also been on BBC World,
> CNN, Democracy Now and al-Jazeera before then, but it seems you can't be
> a deity unless you do Comedy Central.
> 
> So what, according to Share International, does Maitreya do? Through a
> doctrine of sharing, fraternity, social justice and co-operation, he
> (and it does seem to be a he, not a she) brings humanity back from
> economic and ecological collapse through new forms of spiritual
> community. As it happens, I do think that sharing, fraternity, justice
> and co-operation are terrific things. I also think that prioritising the
> needs of the poor, hungry and oppressed is a non-negotiable part of a
> sustainable future.
> 
> Unfortunately, I think that's where the resemblances end. It frustrates
> me only a little less than it might disappoint those looking for
> Maitreya that, in fact, I'm just an ordinary bloke. Not that my protests
> of not-being-the-messiah have been heeded. I wrote a short piece on my
> blog suggesting that, like the hero of Life of Brian
>  , I was the victim of a case of
> mistaken identity, and that "you've got to work it out for yourselves".
> This didn't fly. I was reminded by my correspondents that the Maitreya
> would deny divinity. And when I suggested that I wasn't the messiah,
> "but a very naughty boy", others pointed out that this was exactly what
> Lucifer would say.
> 
> Crème himself hasn't been able to help. He was recently interviewed
> by Mick Brown, the author of The Spiritual Tourist
>  234034X> , and Crème suggested that I wasn't the messiah but,
> instead, more closely resembled "that chap who does the cricket on the
> radio" – possibly Jonathan Agnew
>  . But that
> hasn't stopped the internet from churning out its particular brand of
> speculation, and for the media to amplify the frenzy.
> 
> In part, I suspect the reason the story isn't going away – the New
> York Times
>  >  just ran a followup – is because it fits a narrative in which
> we're steeped from birth. From the Bible to Knight Rider to The Matrix,
> the story's the same: in crappy times, a single person will emerge to
> make all the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Atheists say - Arrest the pope!

[curtisdeltablues]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hugo"  wrote:

Line of the week:

"This former head of the Inquisition should be arrested the moment he dares to 
set foot outside his tinpot fiefdom of the Vatican,..."

Nice find Hugo! 


>
> Richard Dawkins calls for Pope to be put on trial
> Critics including Christopher Hitchens are exploring legal options for
> Pope Benedict XVI to face trial in UK
> 
> * Helen Pidd 
> * guardian.co.uk  , Sunday 11 April 2010
> 20.33 BST
> * Article history
>  -xvi#history-link-box>
>   [Pope Benedict XVI blesses during Sunday Angelus prayer at his
> residence of Castelgandolfo]
> Pope Benedict XVI during Sunday Angelus prayer at his residence of
> Castelgandolfo, south of Rome, April 11, 2010. Photograph: Osservatore
> Romano/REUTERS
> 
> Prominent atheists Richard Dawkins
>   and Christopher Hitchens
>   are paying
> lawyers to investigate the possibility of prosecuting the pope for
> crimes against humanity, their solicitor confirmed today.
> 
> The pair argue that Pope Benedict XVI
>   should be arrested
> when he visits Britain in September and put on trial for his alleged
> cover-up of sexual abuse in the Catholic church. Last week a letter
> emerged from 1985 in which the then Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger urged that
> a paedophilic priest in America not be defrocked for the "good of the
> universal church".
> 
> The Vatican has already suggested the pope is immune from prosecution
> because he is a head of state. But Dawkins and Hitchens believe that
> because he is not the head of a state with full United Nations
> membership, he does not hold immunity and could be arrested when he
> steps on to British soil.
> 
> This is the advice they have been given by their lawyers – solicitor
> Mark Stephens and human rights barrister Geoffrey Robertson QC.
> 
> "I'm convinced we can get over the threshold of immunity," said
> Stephens. "The Vatican is not recognised as a state in international
> law. People assume that it has existed for time immemorial but it was a
> construct of Mussolini, and when the Vatican first applied to become a
> member of the UN, the US said no. So as a sop they were given the status
> of permanent observers rather than full members."
> 
> But the Holy See insists it is a state like any other. Earlier this
> month, Giuseppe Dalla Torre, Vatican tribunal chief, said: "The pope is
> certainly a head of state and he has the same legal status as all heads
> of state."
> 
> Stephens said there are three lines of approach to put the pope in the
> dock. "One is that we apply for a warrant to the international criminal
> court. Alternatively, criminal proceedings could be brought here, either
> a public prosecution brought by the Crown Prosecution Service or a
> private prosecution. That would require at least one victim to come
> forward who is either from this jurisdiction or was abused here. The
> third option is for individuals to lodge civil claims," said Stephens.
> 
> He said he had recently been approached by seven wealthy individuals who
> donated money to the Catholic church and were dismayed their money had
> not only been used to fund abuse but also buy the silence of victims.
> These people could potentially sue the pope, Stephens suggested.
> 
> Writing in the Washington Post on Friday, Dawkins described Ratzinger as
> a "leering old villain in a frock … whose first instinct when his
> priests are caught with their pants down is to cover up the scandal and
> damn the young victims to silence."
> 
> Without admitting that he had consulted lawyers he added: "This former
> head of the Inquisition should be arrested the moment he dares to set
> foot outside his tinpot fiefdom of the Vatican, and he should be tried
> in an appropriate civil – not ecclesiastical – court. That's
> what should happen. Sadly, we all know our faith-befuddled governments
> will be too craven to do it."
> 
> Pope Benedict will be in Britain from 16-19 September where he will
> beatify the theologian Cardinal John Henry Newman.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Atheists say - Arrest the pope!

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hugo"  wrote:
> 
> Line of the week:
> 
> "This former head of the Inquisition should be arrested the moment 
> he dares to set foot outside his tinpot fiefdom of the Vatican,..."
> 
> Nice find Hugo! 

And completely accurate, as non-students of the history
of the Inquisition would not know. The Inquisition lasted
in the Catholic Church for *600 years*, and was only gotten
rid of in the 1950s.

The person who brought it *back* to the Church was the then-
Cardinal who is now Pope.

But what they are talking about putting him on trial *for*
is not his relationship with the Office of the Holy Inquisition,
but his now-documented illegal obstructionism in child molest-
ation cases, if I'm not mistaken. That's a secular thang that
"crosses over" into the world of legality and out of the 
world of religious dogma.


> > Richard Dawkins calls for Pope to be put on trial
> > Critics including Christopher Hitchens are exploring legal options for
> > Pope Benedict XVI to face trial in UK
> > 
> > * Helen Pidd 
> > * guardian.co.uk  , Sunday 11 April 2010
> > 20.33 BST
> > * Article history
> >  > -xvi#history-link-box>
> >   [Pope Benedict XVI blesses during Sunday Angelus prayer at his
> > residence of Castelgandolfo]
> > Pope Benedict XVI during Sunday Angelus prayer at his residence of
> > Castelgandolfo, south of Rome, April 11, 2010. Photograph: Osservatore
> > Romano/REUTERS
> > 
> > Prominent atheists Richard Dawkins
> >   and Christopher Hitchens
> >   are paying
> > lawyers to investigate the possibility of prosecuting the pope for
> > crimes against humanity, their solicitor confirmed today.
> > 
> > The pair argue that Pope Benedict XVI
> >   should be arrested
> > when he visits Britain in September and put on trial for his alleged
> > cover-up of sexual abuse in the Catholic church. Last week a letter
> > emerged from 1985 in which the then Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger urged that
> > a paedophilic priest in America not be defrocked for the "good of the
> > universal church".
> > 
> > The Vatican has already suggested the pope is immune from prosecution
> > because he is a head of state. But Dawkins and Hitchens believe that
> > because he is not the head of a state with full United Nations
> > membership, he does not hold immunity and could be arrested when he
> > steps on to British soil.
> > 
> > This is the advice they have been given by their lawyers – solicitor
> > Mark Stephens and human rights barrister Geoffrey Robertson QC.
> > 
> > "I'm convinced we can get over the threshold of immunity," said
> > Stephens. "The Vatican is not recognised as a state in international
> > law. People assume that it has existed for time immemorial but it was a
> > construct of Mussolini, and when the Vatican first applied to become a
> > member of the UN, the US said no. So as a sop they were given the status
> > of permanent observers rather than full members."
> > 
> > But the Holy See insists it is a state like any other. Earlier this
> > month, Giuseppe Dalla Torre, Vatican tribunal chief, said: "The pope is
> > certainly a head of state and he has the same legal status as all heads
> > of state."
> > 
> > Stephens said there are three lines of approach to put the pope in the
> > dock. "One is that we apply for a warrant to the international criminal
> > court. Alternatively, criminal proceedings could be brought here, either
> > a public prosecution brought by the Crown Prosecution Service or a
> > private prosecution. That would require at least one victim to come
> > forward who is either from this jurisdiction or was abused here. The
> > third option is for individuals to lodge civil claims," said Stephens.
> > 
> > He said he had recently been approached by seven wealthy individuals who
> > donated money to the Catholic church and were dismayed their money had
> > not only been used to fund abuse but also buy the silence of victims.
> > These people could potentially sue the pope, Stephens suggested.
> > 
> > Writing in the Washington Post on Friday, Dawkins described Ratzinger as
> > a "leering old villain in a frock … whose first instinct when his
> > priests are caught with their pants down is to cover up the scandal and
> > damn the young victims to silence."
> > 
> > Without admitting that he had consulted lawyers he added: "This former
> > head of the Inquisition should be arrested the moment he dares to set
> > foot outside his tinpot fiefdom of the Vatican, and he should be tried
> > in an appropriate civil – not ecclesiastical – court. That's
> > what should happen. Sadly, we all know our 

[FairfieldLife] Re: anger caused by enemies and Bodhisattva vows

[WillyTex]

> > So, you have not read the book 'History of the
> > Tantric Religion'...
> >
Bhairitu:
> ... it must be difficult living under a bridge.
>
Don't get so upset and angry, Bhairitu!

All I asked you if you had read the book. Millions of
people in India and quite a few Indologists think that
'Tantra' is a religion.

> I said when this book came up that HAVE the book
> and READ it years ago.
>
Maybe so, but you're not adding much to the
conversation with your angry outbursts.

Why are you 'Tantrics' so defensive?

You're supposed to be training to be a 'Tantric Acharya',
so we expect some kind of sensible comments on the
topic.

> I definitely had a qualm with the title. It should
> have been "The History of the Arts and Sciences of
> Tantra".
>
Maybe so. But you still have not given us a definition
of Tantra. What, exactly, is it?

> Buddhism and Hinduism aren't religions either.
>
Maybe so.

> People external to these institutions label it so.
>
Such as Professor Bhattacharyya?



> ...do you even HAVE this book? Or are you as usual
> a hypocrite?
>
Of course. Why would I cite such a work if I had not
at least read the book?

FairfieldLife/message/245601


FairfieldLife/message/245647

[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis Coming St. Paul, MN > May 1!

[curtisdeltablues]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> > > > I think he loves this Sal, he is a super religious 
> > > > Jewish old man with his Vedic Torah...
> > > > 
> > > Don't forget the Maharishi mudra and the burps...
> > >
> emptybill:
> > Did you learn to speak in such a way from Master Hsuan Hua?
> > 
> Send in the clowns - Hugo, Sal, and Curtis! They deserve to
> be roasted as the dimwits that bought the boatloads of snake 
> oil. And NOW they want to complain. They are so much wiser
> than everyone else. Yeah, write.


So you are claiming that your belief system is snake oil free Richard?  

When I bought into Maharishi's deal I was 16 years old.  I was recruited right 
in my own private high school, with the adults asleep at the wheel.  So given 
the naivete of youth, I have nothing to be ashamed of.  And in the big picture 
of my recreational options at the time I am grateful for the clean-cut version 
Maharishi offered me, despite the snake oil promises.  He fulfilled some needs 
for me at that stage of my life and I am grateful.  So you are 
mischaracterizing my position in what you are calling my complaint.

Maharishi IMO is wrong about human consciousness.  And so is Jerry.  They are 
preaching an old way of thinking that is the equivalent of taking a fairy tale 
seriously and literally.  They are inflating the nature of the mental changes 
meditation brings into a claim that it allows you to understand the ultimate 
reality of life. This ridiculously inflated claim is bogus. 

So it isn't a question of being "wiser" than anyone to notice this.  Most of 
the people in the world (with the exception of a tiny, tiny, diminishing group) 
have come to the same conclusion about Maharishi.  The term wisdom should have 
a higher bar than recognizing a Hindu Televangelist just as someone shouldn't 
be praised for rejecting a guy like Benny Hinn.  It isn't that deep or that 
subtle.  But if you want to saddle me with the burden of thinking myself wise I 
will offer you a useful phrase that will raise your own wisdom level:

"Panacea promises are bullshit.  If someone offers you a simple, easy, 
'solution to all problems', run.




>

[FairfieldLife] Study: Spanking Kids Leads to More Aggressive Behavior

[do.rflex]

Study: Spanking Kids Leads to More Aggressive Behavior
ByAlice Park
   
Monday, Apr. 12, 2010
  [http://img.timeinc.net/time/daily/2010/1004/spanking_0409.jpg]
A mother spanks her daughter
Peter Dazeley / Photographer's Choice
  / Getty Images


TIME - Health & Science - Disciplining young children is one of the key
jobs of any parent — most people would have no trouble agreeing with
that. But whether or not that discipline should include spanking or
other forms of corporal punishment is a far trickier issue.

The American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) does not endorse spanking for
any reason, citing its lack of long-term effectiveness as a
behavior-changing tactic. Instead the AAP supports strategies such as
time-outs when children misbehave, which focus on getting kids to
reflect on their behavior and the consequences of their actions. Still,
as many parents can attest, few responses bring about the immediate
interruption of a full-blown tantrum like a swift whack to the bottom.

Now researchers at Tulane University provide the strongest evidence yet
against the use of spanking: of the nearly 2,500 youngsters in the
study, those who were spanked more frequently at age 3 were more likely
to be aggressive by age 5.

The research supports earlier work on the pitfalls of corporal
punishment, including a study by Duke University researchers that
revealed that infants who were spanked at 12 months scored lower on
cognitive tests at age 3.

"I'm excited by the idea that there is now some nice hard data that can
back up clinicians when they share their caution with parents against
using corporal punishment," says Dr. Jayne Singer, clinical director of
the child and parent program at Children's Hospital Boston, who was not
involved in the study.

Led by Catherine Taylor, the Tulane study was the first to control
simultaneously for variables that are most likely to confound the
association between spanking and later aggressive behavior. The
researchers accounted for factors such as acts of neglect by the mother,
violence or aggression between the parents, maternal stress and
depression, the mother's use of alcohol and drugs, and even whether the
mother considered abortion while pregnant with the child.

Each of these factors contributed to children's aggressive behavior at
age 5, but they could not explain all of the violent tendencies at that
age.

Further, the positive connection between spanking and aggression
remained strong, even after these factors had been accounted for.

"The odds of a child being more aggressive at age 5 if he had been
spanked more than twice in the month before the study began increased by
50%," says Taylor.

And because her group also accounted for varying levels of natural
aggression in children, the researchers are confident that "it's not
just that children who are more aggressive are more likely to be
spanked."

What the study, published Monday in the journal Pediatrics, shows is
that outside of the most obvious factors that may influence violent
behavior in children, spanking remains a strong predictor.

"This study controls for the most common risk factors that people tend
to think of as being associated with aggression," says Singer. "This
adds more credence, more data and more strength to the argument against
using corporal punishment."

Among the mothers who were studied, nearly half (45.6%) reported no
spanking in the previous month, 27.9% reported spanking once or twice
and 26.5% reported spanking more than twice. Compared with children who
were not hit, those who were spanked were more likely to be defiant,
demand immediate satisfaction of their wants and needs, get frustrated
easily, have temper tantrums and lash out physically against others.

The reason for that, says Singer, may be that spanking instills fear
rather than understanding. Even if a child were to stop his screaming
tantrum when spanked, that doesn't mean he understands why he shouldn't
be acting up in the first place. What's more, spanking models aggressive
behavior as a solution to problems.

For children to understand what and why they have done something wrong,
it may take repeated efforts on the parent's part, using time-outs —
a
strategy that typically involves denying the child any attention, praise
or interaction with parents for a specified period of time (that is, the
parents ignore the child). These quiet times force children to calm down
and learn to think about their emotions, rather than acting out on them
blindly.

Spanking may stop a child from misbehaving in the short term, but it
becomes less and less effective with repeated use, according to the AAP;
it also makes discipline more difficult as the child gets older and
outgrows spanking.

As the latest study shows, investing the time early
on to teach a child why his behavior is wrong may translate to a more
self-aware and in-control

Re: [FairfieldLife] US military warn of peak oil by 2015

[Bhairitu]

Time to bring all the troops home and stop running this empire show. 
Shut down all those bases in the world which are there for the benefit 
of American multinational companies at the taxpayers expense. That way 
we can lower taxes for everyone which should make the righties happy 
though according to Ron Paul the GOP loves empire. And we could have 
single payer health care and maybe afford to scholarship folks who are 
really interested in medicine rather than a doctor's lifestyle.

Of course we know this won't happen due to the strong arming of the 
corporatists. So instead we'll be stuck living in something that 
resembles a science fiction nightmare.

Hugo wrote:
> Found this hidden away in the business section which is odd because I
> can't think of anything that is more likely to affect everyone on Earth
> more quickly and completely than the massive upheaval in all areas of
> life that peak oil is going to bring. It wouldn't be so bad if
> governments were preparing for it but they aren't. The UKs bunch of
> hopeless tossers thinks that because we can get 85,ooo,ooo barrels out
> of the ground today we will be able to do it for the forseeable future.
> Even the Saudis are saying we need to get alternatives ready! And now
> the US military speak up, it must be getting desperate.
>
> You'd think with an election in England the parties would have something
> to say about it but the inevitable disaster for the world economy is
> such that it's a lot easier to put your head in the sand and hope it
> doesn't happen on your watch. Too late for that it would seem
>
>
> US military warns oil output may dip causing massive shortages by 2015
> • Shortfall could reach 10m barrels a day, report says
> • Cost of crude oil is predicted to top $100 a barrel
>
> * Terry Macalister
> 
> * guardian.co.uk  , Sunday 11 April 2010
> 18.47 BST
> * Article history
>  ly#history-link-box>
>   [Total oil refinery]
> Surplus oil production capacity could disappear by 2012 a report from US
> Joint Forces Command, says. Photograph: Katja Buchholz/Getty Images
>
>
>
> The US military   has
> warned that surplus oil  
> production capacity could disappear within two years and there could be
> serious shortages by 2015 with a significant economic and political
> impact.
>
> The energy crisis outlined in a Joint Operating Environment report from
> the US Joint Forces Command, comes as the price of petrol in Britain
> reaches record levels and the cost of crude is predicted to soon top
> $100 a barrel.
>
> "By 2012, surplus oil production capacity could entirely disappear, and
> as early as 2015, the shortfall in output could reach nearly 10 million
> barrels per day," says the report, which has a foreword by a senior
> commander, General James N Mattis.
>
> It adds: "While it is difficult to predict precisely what economic,
> political, and strategic effects such a shortfall might produce, it
> surely would reduce the prospects for growth in both the developing and
> developed worlds. Such an economic slowdown would exacerbate other
> unresolved tensions, push fragile and failing states further down the
> path toward collapse, and perhaps have serious economic impact on both
> China   and India
>  ."
>
> The US military says its views cannot be taken as US government policy
> but admits they are meant to provide the Joint Forces with "an
> intellectual foundation upon which we will construct the concept to
> guide out future force developments."
>
> The warning is the latest in a series from around the world that has
> turned peak oil – the moment when demand exceeds supply – from a
> distant threat to a more immediate risk.
>
> The Wicks Review on UK energy policy published last summer effectively
> dismissed fears but Lord Hunt, the British energy minister, met
> concerned industrialists two weeks ago
>   in a
> sign that it is rapidly changing its mind on the seriousness of the
> issue.
>
> The Paris-based International Energy Agency remains confident that there
> is no short-term risk of oil shortages but privately some senior
> officials have admitted there is considerable disagreement internally
> about this upbeat stance.
>
> Future fuel supplies are of acute importance to the US army because it
> is believed to be the biggest single user of petrol in the world. BP
>   chief executive, Tony Hayward,
> said recently that there was little chance of crude from the
> carbon-heavy Canadian tar sands being banned in America because the US
> military like to have local supplies rather than rely on the 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Atheists say - Arrest the pope!

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hugo"  wrote:
> > 
> > Line of the week:
> > 
> > "This former head of the Inquisition should be arrested
> > the moment he dares to set foot outside his tinpot
> > fiefdom of the Vatican,..."
> > 
> > Nice find Hugo! 
> 
> And completely accurate, as non-students of the history
> of the Inquisition would not know.

Well, yes, they would and do know it, sorry to knock you
off your oh-so-lofty scholarly pedestal. It's often been
mentioned in stories about the current scandal, at least
here in the U.S., so it's common knowledge to anyone who
has been paying attention.

 The Inquisition lasted
> in the Catholic Church for *600 years*, and was only gotten
> rid of in the 1950s.
> 
> The person who brought it *back* to the Church was the then-
> Cardinal who is now Pope.
> 
> But what they are talking about putting him on trial *for*
> is not his relationship with the Office of the Holy Inquisition,
> but his now-documented illegal obstructionism in child molest-
> ation cases, if I'm not mistaken.

"If I'm not mistaken"?? How could you possibly not know it
for a *fact*? Especially since that's what it says in the
article Hugo posted. And it's been all over the media--at
least in the U.S.--for months.

Nor are Dawkins and Hitchens the first by any means to
propose arresting the pope for obsctructionism, just the
most noisy.

 That's a secular thang that
> "crosses over" into the world of legality and out of the 
> world of religious dogma.

Duh. Thank goodness we have Barry around to explain
things to us dumb nonscholars.



> 
> 
> > > Richard Dawkins calls for Pope to be put on trial
> > > Critics including Christopher Hitchens are exploring legal options for
> > > Pope Benedict XVI to face trial in UK
> > > 
> > > * Helen Pidd 
> > > * guardian.co.uk  , Sunday 11 April 2010
> > > 20.33 BST
> > > * Article history
> > >  > > -xvi#history-link-box>
> > >   [Pope Benedict XVI blesses during Sunday Angelus prayer at his
> > > residence of Castelgandolfo]
> > > Pope Benedict XVI during Sunday Angelus prayer at his residence of
> > > Castelgandolfo, south of Rome, April 11, 2010. Photograph: Osservatore
> > > Romano/REUTERS
> > > 
> > > Prominent atheists Richard Dawkins
> > >   and Christopher Hitchens
> > >   are paying
> > > lawyers to investigate the possibility of prosecuting the pope for
> > > crimes against humanity, their solicitor confirmed today.
> > > 
> > > The pair argue that Pope Benedict XVI
> > >   should be arrested
> > > when he visits Britain in September and put on trial for his alleged
> > > cover-up of sexual abuse in the Catholic church. Last week a letter
> > > emerged from 1985 in which the then Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger urged that
> > > a paedophilic priest in America not be defrocked for the "good of the
> > > universal church".
> > > 
> > > The Vatican has already suggested the pope is immune from prosecution
> > > because he is a head of state. But Dawkins and Hitchens believe that
> > > because he is not the head of a state with full United Nations
> > > membership, he does not hold immunity and could be arrested when he
> > > steps on to British soil.
> > > 
> > > This is the advice they have been given by their lawyers – solicitor
> > > Mark Stephens and human rights barrister Geoffrey Robertson QC.
> > > 
> > > "I'm convinced we can get over the threshold of immunity," said
> > > Stephens. "The Vatican is not recognised as a state in international
> > > law. People assume that it has existed for time immemorial but it was a
> > > construct of Mussolini, and when the Vatican first applied to become a
> > > member of the UN, the US said no. So as a sop they were given the status
> > > of permanent observers rather than full members."
> > > 
> > > But the Holy See insists it is a state like any other. Earlier this
> > > month, Giuseppe Dalla Torre, Vatican tribunal chief, said: "The pope is
> > > certainly a head of state and he has the same legal status as all heads
> > > of state."
> > > 
> > > Stephens said there are three lines of approach to put the pope in the
> > > dock. "One is that we apply for a warrant to the international criminal
> > > court. Alternatively, criminal proceedings could be brought here, either
> > > a public prosecution brought by the Crown Prosecution Service or a
> > > private prosecution. That would require at least one victim to come
> > > forward who is either from this jurisdiction or was abused here. The
> > > third option is for individuals to lodge civil claims," said Stephe

[FairfieldLife] Re: Atheists say - Arrest the pope!

[WillyTex]

Turq:
> And completely accurate, as non-students of 
> the history of the Inquisition would not know. 
>
As a student of the history of European religious
orders, I expected more from you, Turq, not more
historical revisionism. It would be really helpful
to see some of the FFL informants do some actual 
research before they post their misinformation.

>From what I've read, the process of 'inquisition' 
was legal in Europe at the time. 

According to modern scholarship, it has been 
established that "the Inquisition was not nearly 
as cruel or as powerful as commonly believed".

> The Inquisition lasted in the Catholic Church 
> for *600 years*... 
>
Historians distinguish four different periods 
of the Inquisition:

   1. the Medieval Inquisition (1184–1230s)
   2. the Spanish Inquisition (1478–1834)
   3. the Portuguese Inquisition (1536–1821)
   4. the Roman Inquisition (1542 – c. 1860)

> and was only gotten rid of in the 1950s...
>
>From what I've read, the Spanish Inquisition 
was abolished in 1834 by Queen Isabella.

Work cited:

Spanish Inquisition:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Inquisition

[FairfieldLife] Re: US military warn of peak oil by 2015

[WillyTex]

Bhairitu:
> Time to bring all the troops home and stop running this 
> empire show. Shut down all those bases in the world...
>
Yeah, that's the ticket - cancel all the self-defense 
treaties the U.S. has with other free-world nations and 
pull out of the United Nations. Bring all the troops home 
and just give up trying to stop all the genocide and 
freeing of political prisoners.

You've really got some great crack-pot ideas!



> Even the Saudis are saying we need to get alternatives 
> ready! 
>
Well, I think a good place to start would be for you to
throw away the keys to your foreign car. You've got no 
business driving all the way to Oakland just to get
yourself some unsulphured raisins for your granola! 

Now that's the ticket!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Atheists say - Arrest the pope!

[TurquoiseB]

I think I've detected a trend here. Stung by my recent
posts asking people to pay attention to the *intent* of
her posts, not the content, THE CORRECTOR has begun
limiting herself to one gratuitous and unnecessary 
"Barry Bash" per day.  :-)

It won't last. The "Inquisition Mindset" always wins
out.  :-)


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hugo"  wrote:
> > > 
> > > Line of the week:
> > > 
> > > "This former head of the Inquisition should be arrested
> > > the moment he dares to set foot outside his tinpot
> > > fiefdom of the Vatican,..."
> > > 
> > > Nice find Hugo! 
> > 
> > And completely accurate, as non-students of the history
> > of the Inquisition would not know.
> 
> Well, yes, they would and do know it, sorry to knock you
> off your oh-so-lofty scholarly pedestal. It's often been
> mentioned in stories about the current scandal, at least
> here in the U.S., so it's common knowledge to anyone who
> has been paying attention.
> 
>  The Inquisition lasted
> > in the Catholic Church for *600 years*, and was only gotten
> > rid of in the 1950s.
> > 
> > The person who brought it *back* to the Church was the then-
> > Cardinal who is now Pope.
> > 
> > But what they are talking about putting him on trial *for*
> > is not his relationship with the Office of the Holy Inquisition,
> > but his now-documented illegal obstructionism in child molest-
> > ation cases, if I'm not mistaken.
> 
> "If I'm not mistaken"?? How could you possibly not know it
> for a *fact*? Especially since that's what it says in the
> article Hugo posted. And it's been all over the media--at
> least in the U.S.--for months.
> 
> Nor are Dawkins and Hitchens the first by any means to
> propose arresting the pope for obsctructionism, just the
> most noisy.
> 
>  That's a secular thang that
> > "crosses over" into the world of legality and out of the 
> > world of religious dogma.
> 
> Duh. Thank goodness we have Barry around to explain
> things to us dumb nonscholars.
> 
> 
> 
> > 
> > 
> > > > Richard Dawkins calls for Pope to be put on trial
> > > > Critics including Christopher Hitchens are exploring legal options for
> > > > Pope Benedict XVI to face trial in UK
> > > > 
> > > > * Helen Pidd 
> > > > * guardian.co.uk  , Sunday 11 April 2010
> > > > 20.33 BST
> > > > * Article history
> > > >  > > > -xvi#history-link-box>
> > > >   [Pope Benedict XVI blesses during Sunday Angelus prayer at his
> > > > residence of Castelgandolfo]
> > > > Pope Benedict XVI during Sunday Angelus prayer at his residence of
> > > > Castelgandolfo, south of Rome, April 11, 2010. Photograph: Osservatore
> > > > Romano/REUTERS
> > > > 
> > > > Prominent atheists Richard Dawkins
> > > >   and Christopher Hitchens
> > > >   are paying
> > > > lawyers to investigate the possibility of prosecuting the pope for
> > > > crimes against humanity, their solicitor confirmed today.
> > > > 
> > > > The pair argue that Pope Benedict XVI
> > > >   should be arrested
> > > > when he visits Britain in September and put on trial for his alleged
> > > > cover-up of sexual abuse in the Catholic church. Last week a letter
> > > > emerged from 1985 in which the then Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger urged that
> > > > a paedophilic priest in America not be defrocked for the "good of the
> > > > universal church".
> > > > 
> > > > The Vatican has already suggested the pope is immune from prosecution
> > > > because he is a head of state. But Dawkins and Hitchens believe that
> > > > because he is not the head of a state with full United Nations
> > > > membership, he does not hold immunity and could be arrested when he
> > > > steps on to British soil.
> > > > 
> > > > This is the advice they have been given by their lawyers – solicitor
> > > > Mark Stephens and human rights barrister Geoffrey Robertson QC.
> > > > 
> > > > "I'm convinced we can get over the threshold of immunity," said
> > > > Stephens. "The Vatican is not recognised as a state in international
> > > > law. People assume that it has existed for time immemorial but it was a
> > > > construct of Mussolini, and when the Vatican first applied to become a
> > > > member of the UN, the US said no. So as a sop they were given the status
> > > > of permanent observers rather than full members."
> > > > 
> > > > But the Holy See insists it is a state like any other. Earlier this
> > > > month, Giuseppe Dalla Torre, Vatican tribunal chief, said: "The pope is
> > > > certainly a head of state and he has the same 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Atheists say - Arrest the pope!

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
> I think I've detected a trend here. Stung by my recent
> posts asking people to pay attention to the *intent* of
> her posts, not the content, THE CORRECTOR has begun
> limiting herself to one gratuitous and unnecessary 
> "Barry Bash" per day.  :-)
> 
> It won't last. The "Inquisition Mindset" always wins
> out.  :-)

It won't "last" because it never existed. As with so
many others of your claims, it's a product of the
fantasies your mind automatically generates when you've
been caught out on something. :-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Atheists say - Arrest the pope!

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> >
> > I think I've detected a trend here. Stung by my recent
> > posts asking people to pay attention to the *intent* of
> > her posts, not the content, THE CORRECTOR has begun
> > limiting herself to one gratuitous and unnecessary 
> > "Barry Bash" per day.  :-)
> > 
> > It won't last. The "Inquisition Mindset" always wins
> > out.  :-)
> 
> It won't "last" because it never existed. As with so
> many others of your claims, it's a product of the
> fantasies your mind automatically generates when you've
> been caught out on something. :-)

Just because it's fun, WHY should we not construe
your "comeback" as not referring to YOU and YOUR
actions, and YOUR behavior when "caught out on
something?" The facts are there on FFL in this 
case.

Also, just because it's fun, since you mentioned
"solipsism" recently in one of your gratuitous,
unnecessary "Bash Barry" posts, have you even
*noticed* that no one "piles on" to them the way
you want them to any more? And that no one (other
than Nabby and Willytex) even *reacts* to them?

T'would seem that the "audience poll" suggests that
you have finally achieved the same level of ignor-
ability as Willytex. Congratulations.  :-)

[FairfieldLife] Glenn Beck on running from Churches

[yifuxero]

from his website:
"
Churches that preach his type of "social justice" are what I was referring to 
when I said "run." This kind of social justice being preached in Rev. 
Wright-style churches not only resembles what many of these radical progressive 
and socialist and communist groups preach today, it is what they preach: 
Government forcibly taking wealth and spreading it around — leveling the 
playing field, so there's no "economic inequality."

When you are in church sometimes it's not so easy to see it. But here's a 
simple rule of thumb: Make sure your church puts God first and politics and 
government last. Here are the clear warning signs: "social justice" or 
"economic justice" or "ecological justice.""

[FairfieldLife] Re: Atheists say - Arrest the pope!

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> > >
> > > I think I've detected a trend here. Stung by my recent
> > > posts asking people to pay attention to the *intent* of
> > > her posts, not the content, THE CORRECTOR has begun
> > > limiting herself to one gratuitous and unnecessary 
> > > "Barry Bash" per day.  :-)
> > > 
> > > It won't last. The "Inquisition Mindset" always wins
> > > out.  :-)
> > 
> > It won't "last" because it never existed. As with so
> > many others of your claims, it's a product of the
> > fantasies your mind automatically generates when you've
> > been caught out on something. :-)
> 
> Just because it's fun, WHY should we not construe
> your "comeback" as not referring to YOU and YOUR
> actions, and YOUR behavior when "caught out on
> something?" The facts are there on FFL in this 
> case.

Lots of facts are here on FFL. Just not the ones you've
hallucinated to make yourself feel better.

> Also, just because it's fun, since you mentioned
> "solipsism" recently in one of your gratuitous,
> unnecessary "Bash Barry" posts, have you even
> *noticed* that no one "piles on" to them the way
> you want them to any more? And that no one (other
> than Nabby and Willytex) even *reacts* to them?

I don't pay any attention to "pile-ons." Obviously
you've been keeping careful track.

> T'would seem that the "audience poll" suggests that
> you have finally achieved the same level of ignor-
> ability as Willytex. Congratulations.  :-)

Barry, dear, this fantasy doesn't suddenl become true
just because you've repeated it one more time. :-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Atheists say - Arrest the pope!

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> Barry, dear, this fantasy doesn't suddenl become true
> just because you've repeated it one more time. :-)

How about the one in which one of your "enemies"
has become rattled or mentally unstable in your 
opinion because they got so unhinged by one of
your posts that they started making stupid typos?  :-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis Coming St. Paul, MN > May 1!

[emptybill]

Barry



Your shock is only one bit worth? Gosh, I'll have to try harder.
However, I'll leave Lingam measuring to you since you must be measuring
you own against everything else - even if that "else"
doesn't pertain to you. So how do you quite get that done? Like a
good European do you only measure in metric?



What is funny is that you think Yifu needs you to protect him from what
you consider criticism. What haughtiness you parade as protection by
treating him as unable to speak up for himself. Believe it or not he has
shown himself quite capable in the past – even without needing you
as his gun-slinging

bodyguard. Imagine that … not having to entreat you for help!



But there is an alternative. I could route all my posts through you
first and you could personally legitimize those you favor and strike
those meeting your censure. That might actually be fun and make you feel
even more like a righteous Euro. We just would need to keep proper
separation of the two categories of comments. However one problem might
arise - it would be more difficult for you to maintain your claims of
disinterest as the anti-Corrector.



Just to correct a few points from your reply -



1. I am a meat eater, living daily on the bloody pound of flesh of
pitiable living beings raised for slaughter.



2. My teacher is a Tibetan (now a U.S. citizen), and a Tantric Terton.
He is currently having his Terma texts translated into English. He
relates to us as a friend to a friend - one of the reasons I enjoy his
company.



3. I'm sorry you think of Hsuan Hua as a lesser teacher. Comparing
our two posts, you obviously think less of him than I do. You obviously
knew him well – probably even better than Xifu!



However (and in spite of your slight regard for Hsuan Hua) he was not
only an important but also a great Buddhist teacher in America. He had a
huge influence in emphasizing and establishing correct praxis –
which means proper comportment in expressing bodily actions, truthful
speech and insightful mind.



Oh, one last thing I'm really sorry about … I just don't
have time today to answer all your quite important remarks.



Must be I have a life.




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:

> Emptybill, I confess to having been a bit
> shocked by this, and must follow up on it
> because so *much* classic spiritual ignor-
> ance seems to be encapsulated in so few
> words here:
>
> * Elitism -- without actually saying it, you
> seem to be making a case for some (ahem...you)
> being better and more high-vibe than "meat-
> eaters," or those damned low-vibe "Tibetans,"
> or "tantra," or people who studied with a
> "lesser" teacher such as Hsuan Hua.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Atheists say - Arrest the pope!

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > Barry, dear, this fantasy doesn't suddenl become true
> > just because you've repeated it one more time. :-)
> 
> How about the one in which one of your "enemies"

One of my "enemies"? Do you consider me your "enemy,"
Barry?

> has become rattled or mentally unstable in your 
> opinion because they got so unhinged by one of
> your posts that they started making stupid typos?  :-)

Yeah, you tried that one before, Barry, and it doesn't
work any better than your other idiocies. I make my
share of typos, but you won't find them any more
frequently in hostile exchanges than nonhostile ones.

Yours, however, tend to show up when you're rattled.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Study: Spanking Kids Leads to More Aggressive Behavior

[WillyTex]

do.rflex:
> Study: Spanking Kids Leads to More Aggressive Behavior
>
Well, I guess that would explain your aggressive behavior 
towards the Mormons and the TMO and the Jews and the 
Pagans, wouldn't it? Your parents must have really spanked 
you a lot! If, not, we'll have to assume that you're just 
an angry individual, for no apparent reason.

"You, *ALL* of you who have supported this, express your 
*lack* of spiritual 'results' with TM. That is my point. 
There are none - (spiritual 'results') - with you creeps. 

You're not much different than Mormons who say, "I KNOW 
that Joseph Smith was a prophet of God, and that he 
restored the one true church in these end times". And then 
they claim that their detractors are from the devil. 

How obvious it is, where you're coming from. Guru Dev 
would kick you out of his ashram..."

Subject: Re: Super Petrus 
Author: John Manning
Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental
Date: August 6, 2002

[FairfieldLife] Re: Atheists say - Arrest the pope!

[WillyTex]

Curtis:
> "This former head of the Inquisition should be arrested 
> the moment he dares to set foot outside his tinpot fiefdom 
> of the Vatican,..."
> 
Why not arrest you and Hugo for selling snake oil? It is
criminal, right? The least you two could do is refund the
money you conned poor people out of. You did keep a list of 
those you fleeced, right?

"I think Maharishi saved his ass after threats of exposure 
of his sexual pecadillos. His empire, to me today, is not 
much different than any other corporate entity. It certainly 
is NOT 'heaven on earth' and it is very far removed from 
anything akin to Divinity.

I refuse to hear 'justification' for his bullshit. Bullshit 
is bullshit. This is 'guru' bullshit. To me, it is bullshit 
of the highest order. (It has the worst stench when it 
claims Divinity and is NOT.)

I fully expect proponents of TM and Maharishi to respond. 
Don't bother. I, myself, was brainwashed in this shit. I 
know how it works on both sides..."

Subject: TM is a cult 
From: John Manning
Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental
Date: September 25, 2001

[FairfieldLife] Weirdest movie of all time

[yifuxero]

Eraserhead, no doubt about it;...a true masterpiece of creativity (Lynch 
probably created it before getting into TM).
http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2763038208/tt0074486

[FairfieldLife] Re: Atheists say - Arrest the pope!

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Barry, dear, this fantasy doesn't suddenl become true
> > > just because you've repeated it one more time. :-)
> > 
> > How about the one in which one of your "enemies"
> 
> One of my "enemies"? Do you consider me your "enemy,"
> Barry?

Now the Editor doesn't even realize that punctuation
belongs inside the quotation marks. Can you say "rattled?"
I think you can.  :-)

> > has become rattled or mentally unstable in your 
> > opinion because they got so unhinged by one of
> > your posts that they started making stupid typos?  :-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Peter Wallace

[yifuxero]

Too bad, nice fellow; fwiw got me into TM. Was in a group of 5 people: 2 
Wallace's, 2 Winquists, and Theresa Olson who passed out the TM literature 
stating one could reach CC in 5-7 years.
I'm going to chant some mantras for him. The Surangama Sutra.

-- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> Peter Wallace apparently had a massive stroke here the other day.  Is 
> hospitalized up in Iowa City & had brain surgery.  
> 
> Is a noteworthy race against time re-couping the TM part of the TM movement 
> after Maharishi using these old generation links to Maharishi.  The venerable 
> foundation generation is getting thin.
> 
> Peter was recently making himself available to the MUM community that way, as 
> someone who was there.  He was becoming an important re-teller of the old 
> days lore to students around campus.  He was a fine story teller.  Enjoyable 
> to listen to in that role.
>   
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> >  The Transcendental Meditation Program 
> > 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Study: Spanking Kids Leads to More Aggressive Behavior

[Mike Dixon]

I wonder if postal workers who went *postal* were spanked more as children.

--- On Mon, 4/12/10, do.rflex  wrote:


From: do.rflex 
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Study: Spanking Kids Leads to More Aggressive Behavior
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, April 12, 2010, 4:06 PM


  






Study: Spanking Kids Leads to More Aggressive Behavior
By Alice Park Monday, Apr. 12, 2010 



 A mother spanks her daughter
Peter Dazeley / Photographer' s Choice
 / Getty Images



TIME - Health & Science - Disciplining young children is one of the key 
jobs of any parent — most people would have no trouble agreeing with 
that. But whether or not that discipline should include spanking or 
other forms of corporal punishment is a far trickier issue. 

The American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) does not endorse spanking for 
any reason, citing its lack of long-term effectiveness as a 
behavior-changing tactic. Instead the AAP supports strategies such as 
time-outs when children misbehave, which focus on getting kids to 
reflect on their behavior and the consequences of their actions. Still, 
as many parents can attest, few responses bring about the immediate 
interruption of a full-blown tantrum like a swift whack to the bottom. 

Now researchers at Tulane University provide the strongest evidence yet 
against the use of spanking: of the nearly 2,500 youngsters in the 
study, those who were spanked more frequently at age 3 were more likely 
to be aggressive by age 5. 

The research supports earlier work on the pitfalls of corporal 
punishment, including a study by Duke University researchers that 
revealed that infants who were spanked at 12 months scored lower on 
cognitive tests at age 3. 

"I'm excited by the idea that there is now some nice hard data that can 
back up clinicians when they share their caution with parents against 
using corporal punishment," says Dr. Jayne Singer, clinical director of 
the child and parent program at Children's Hospital Boston, who was not 
involved in the study. 

Led by Catherine Taylor, the Tulane study was the first to control 
simultaneously for variables that are most likely to confound the 
association between spanking and later aggressive behavior. The 
researchers accounted for factors such as acts of neglect by the mother, 
violence or aggression between the parents, maternal stress and 
depression, the mother's use of alcohol and drugs, and even whether the 
mother considered abortion while pregnant with the child. 

Each of these factors contributed to children's aggressive behavior at 
age 5, but they could not explain all of the violent tendencies at that 
age. 

Further, the positive connection between spanking and aggression 
remained strong, even after these factors had been accounted for. 

"The odds of a child being more aggressive at age 5 if he had been 
spanked more than twice in the month before the study began increased by 
50%," says Taylor. 

And because her group also accounted for varying levels of natural 
aggression in children, the researchers are confident that "it's not 
just that children who are more aggressive are more likely to be spanked." 

What the study, published Monday in the journal Pediatrics, shows is 
that outside of the most obvious factors that may influence violent 
behavior in children, spanking remains a strong predictor. 

"This study controls for the most common risk factors that people tend 
to think of as being associated with aggression," says Singer. "This 
adds more credence, more data and more strength to the argument against 
using corporal punishment." 

Among the mothers who were studied, nearly half (45.6%) reported no 
spanking in the previous month, 27.9% reported spanking once or twice 
and 26.5% reported spanking more than twice. Compared with children who 
were not hit, those who were spanked were more likely to be defiant, 
demand immediate satisfaction of their wants and needs, get frustrated 
easily, have temper tantrums and lash out physically against others. 

The reason for that, says Singer, may be that spanking instills fear 
rather than understanding. Even if a child were to stop his screaming 
tantrum when spanked, that doesn't mean he understands why he shouldn't 
be acting up in the first place. What's more, spanking models aggressive 
behavior as a solution to problems. 

For children to understand what and why they have done something wrong, 
it may take repeated efforts on the parent's part, using time-outs — a 
strategy that typically involves denying the child any attention, praise 
or interaction with parents for a specified period of time (that is, the 
parents ignore the child). These quiet times force children to calm down 
and learn to think about their emotions, rather than acting out on them 
blindly. 

Spanking may stop a child from misbehaving in the short term, but it 
becomes less and less effective with repeated use, according to the AAP; 
it also makes discipline more difficult as the

Re: [FairfieldLife] Weirdest movie of all time

[Bhairitu]

I believe Lynch started TM when he was in art school before he filmed 
Eraserhead.  I think that is what Clay Anderson who was in art school 
with him and on my TM Sidhis course said.  He built more on this style 
with later films and even the TV show "Twin Peaks" which Jack Nance also 
had a role in.

yifuxero wrote:
> Eraserhead, no doubt about it;...a true masterpiece of creativity (Lynch 
> probably created it before getting into TM).
> http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2763038208/tt0074486
>
>
>   

[FairfieldLife] Re: Weirdest movie of all time

[WillyTex]

yifuxero:
> Eraserhead, no doubt about it;...a true masterpiece 
> of creativity (Lynch probably created it before 
> getting into TM)...
>
Yes, no doubt about it. Apparently Lynch started TM 
in 1978.

"David Lynch's 1977 feature debut Eraserhead is one 
of those rare films that really deserves its cult 
status – a nightmarish, heavily symbolic story set 
in a postapocalyptic future..."

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/eraserhead/

"In December 2, 2005, Lynch told the Washington Post 
that he had been practicing the Transcendental 
Meditation technique twice a day, for 20 minutes 
each time, for 32 years..."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Lynch

"Eraserhead is a surrealistic  film written and 
directed by David Lynch, and released in 1977..." 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eraser_Head

[FairfieldLife] Re: Peter Wallace

[WillyTex]

yifuxero:
> Theresa Olson who passed out the TM literature
> stating one could reach CC in 5-7 years...
>
The 'World Plan' was a program to regenerate the
world spiritually - it was a five year plan, but
it did not promise that everyone would reach CC
in 5-7 years. 

That kind of statement would be really dumb. On 
a recent visit to Fairfield, I asked Teresa about 
this and she said no such promise was ever made.

I have yet to see a flyer or poster that stated 
this promise. It's like some kind of urban rumor.

Barry claims to have put up these kinds of 
posters, but nobody seems to be able to post any 
kind of proof. 

When I was at SIMS, Jerry would have ripped any 
such poster to shreds for making this kind of 
silly claim. 

In 1965, there were hundreds of people that had 
been already practicing TM for over ten years.

[FairfieldLife] "Surgeons from Beyond"

[yifuxero]

If you need surgery, stay clear of these Surgeons!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cenobite_(Hellraiser)
..
A trilogy of 3 movies with powerful undercurrents of traditional 
Buddhist/Taoist themes, that one might find in the Greek myths; or in 
Manichaeism. In particular, the lure of the dark side with a magical cube 
granting entry into the hidden dimensions.
 The heroic character is a British officer in WWI who somehow (I've forgotten 
exactly how); finds himself split into two twins: one good and the other evil.  
Eventually the twins become merged together but in the last scene it appears 
the merged character is sent into the Underworld.
 Looks like we should be careful of what addresses we dial up on the Magic 
Cubes (if we had any).  Don't let those Cenobites into our world, especially 
the Pinhead!
...And what a horrible fate for those on the earth who misuse their power for 
personal gain - such as surgeons who perform unnecessary operations. If there 
is such a Hell, no doubt it's well populated.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Peter Wallace

[yifuxero]

Nope, the flyer was real.  Though I no longer have a copy, it was definitely 
real.  Can anybody corroborate this? Stand up and be counted.
The fact that such a statement would be "dumb" is only consistent with the 
torrent of other dumb statements and actions to flow out of the TM Movement in 
the years afterward.  Nope: dumbness is fully consistent with the early, 
middle, and late TM Movement. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> yifuxero:
> > Theresa Olson who passed out the TM literature
> > stating one could reach CC in 5-7 years...
> >
> The 'World Plan' was a program to regenerate the
> world spiritually - it was a five year plan, but
> it did not promise that everyone would reach CC
> in 5-7 years. 
> 
> That kind of statement would be really dumb. On 
> a recent visit to Fairfield, I asked Teresa about 
> this and she said no such promise was ever made.
> 
> I have yet to see a flyer or poster that stated 
> this promise. It's like some kind of urban rumor.
> 
> Barry claims to have put up these kinds of 
> posters, but nobody seems to be able to post any 
> kind of proof. 
> 
> When I was at SIMS, Jerry would have ripped any 
> such poster to shreds for making this kind of 
> silly claim. 
> 
> In 1965, there were hundreds of people that had 
> been already practicing TM for over ten years.
>

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Peter Wallace

[Rick Archer]

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of yifuxero
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 3:58 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Peter Wallace
 
  
Nope, the flyer was real. Though I no longer have a copy, it was definitely
real. Can anybody corroborate this? Stand up and be counted.
The fact that such a statement would be "dumb" is only consistent with the
torrent of other dumb statements and actions to flow out of the TM Movement
in the years afterward. Nope: dumbness is fully consistent with the early,
middle, and late TM Movement. 
I can. I passed out thousands of them. It was a small, green flyer. 

[FairfieldLife] Random Robin Williamsisms

[TurquoiseB]

Miscellaneous one-liners from a recent Robin Williams 
HBO special, recorded in Washington, D.C. called 
"Weapons of Self Destruction" --

"I know some of you have been looking for Sarah Palin's
book. It is a bitch to find...good luck. I found it some-
where between the Fiction and Non-Fiction section, in
the fantasy aisle."

"Do you get the feeling that when Sarah Palin was in 
high school she was voted Least Likely To Write A Book 
And Most Likely To Burn One?"

"You know the difference between a tornado and divorce
in the South? Nothing...somebody's losing a trailer."

"Maybe Congress should be like Nascar drivers; they 
should have jackets with the names of all of the people
who are sponsoring them."

"If you have an older relative living with you who has
dementia and the telemarketers are calling, put them on
the phone. It works. After two hours they think they're
talking to your long-lost cousin Carl, and the tele-
marketers will never call back again."

"Cheney's been spending the last few years transforming
into Gollum -- 'Halliburton is the Precious...it's the
Precious.' And he's become an archetype now. It's the 
kind of thing that if you want to frighten a little 
child all you have to say is, 'If you're not good, the
Cheneyman will get you.' And what's Dubya doing now? 
He's a motivational speaker. It's kinda cool...kinda 
like having Lindsay Lohan as a guidance counselor."

"I love the fact that they're talking about opening the
George W. Bush Library. It's like opening the Colonel 
Sanders Academy Of Culinary Arts. And they've already
talked about making it 'very interactive,' which I think
is code for 'Not so many books.' I hope that they have
some of his great quotes on the walls, like 'A lot of
our imports come from other countries,' or 'People mis-
underestimate me.' But you've gotta cut Dubya some slack.
Number one, he comes from a family where the smart one
is named Jeb. And number two -- he had a wicked coke
problem, and had to stop doing blow because one day he
snorted up and realized, "Goddam...my Mom's picture is
on the dollar bill. Gotta cut this shit out.'"

"But there was one person who treated Dubya with respect,
and that was Tony Blair. George W. Bush and Tony Blair
was like the United Nations production of 'Rain Man.'"

"But then there's Joe Biden. Joe says shit that makes 
even people with Tourette's go, "No! What is going on?
Joe is like your uncle who is on a new drug and hasn't
got the dosage right. 'I'm proud to work with Barack
America.' He's not a superhero, you idiot..."

"And on top of all this there is Bernie Madoff. An embez-
eller named 'Made-off.' Was the name not a clue? Did he 
have to be with the accounting firm of Dewey, Fuckyou, 
and How? And now he's in prison, where 'insider trading' 
is a whole other game."

"In California we've got Ahnold. I mean, 60% Hispanic
and they elect an Austrian governor. Even old Nazis are
going 'That's weird.' And he's married to Maria Shriver,
who is a Kennedy, and who seems to keep getting thinner
and thinner and thinner. I think he's sucking the Kennedy
out of her...that's how you get a Liberal Republican. It's
like a Volvo with a gun rack; you don't see a lot of them."

"In the Olympics, there is Michael Phelps. He wins all 
the medals, and then he gets caught smoking weed and they 
take his photo off the box of Frosted Flakes. Listen, if 
you're having Frosted Flakes and you're older than ten 
years old and it's after ten in the morning, I'm guessing
weed may be involved. And you can't tell me that marijuana
is a performance-enhancing drug. It's only a performance-
enhancing drug if there is a chocolate bar at the end of
the pool."

"But in terms of drugs and sports, there was one guy who
has an amazing claim to fame, Doc Ellis. (Only one person
in the audience gets it, and Robin says, "Thank you.")
And Doc Ellis did an incredible thing. He is the one 
person who pitched a no-hitter on LSD. Those of you who
have taken LSD, tell the others how hard that might be."

"Girls, if you want to get that lovely tattoo of the sun-
rise rising out of your ass crack, it's gorgeous when you
are twenty, but when you're fifty it's am octopus chasing
a fucking starfish. Be careful."

"If you ever want a rush, go on a German talk show. I did
once, and this woman said to me, 'Mr. Williams, why do 
you think there is not so much comedy in Germany?' And I
said, "Did you ever think you killed all the funny people?'
And here's where it got interesting. She didn't bat an
eyelash. She just went, 'No.' At that point even God is
going, 'Do you GET it?'"

"The Vatican and homosexuality. It's like oil and water.
The Pope is always, 'Homosexuality is an abomination.'
Yes? You're dressed like Freddie Mercury's stunt double.
And why is there a problem with pedophilia in the 
Catholic Church? Well, you become a priest, and you 
retire this , and once a week
we're going to put you in a small, dark box where people 
are going to tell you their nastiest sexu

[FairfieldLife] Re: Peter Wallace

[yifuxero]

thx, you're right; green or blue, can't remember exactly.  But it was as real 
as the Maharishi poster I had in my bedroom.  I got drafted in 1968 and after 
coming back in 1970, found that my Dad had thrown out the MMY poster.  And the 
goldfish was dead, too.
But no matter. In the ensuing years, I then saw posters of Dr. Fred Lenz on the 
same lamposts in Westwood that formerly hosted the MMY posters. And then in due 
time SIMS vacated 1015 Gayley Ave. and guess who moved into the same offices:  
Lenz's org.
So what's next, and who?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of yifuxero
> Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 3:58 PM
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Peter Wallace
>  
>   
> Nope, the flyer was real. Though I no longer have a copy, it was definitely
> real. Can anybody corroborate this? Stand up and be counted.
> The fact that such a statement would be "dumb" is only consistent with the
> torrent of other dumb statements and actions to flow out of the TM Movement
> in the years afterward. Nope: dumbness is fully consistent with the early,
> middle, and late TM Movement. 
> I can. I passed out thousands of them. It was a small, green flyer.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Peter Wallace

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "yifuxero"  wrote:
>
> thx, you're right; green or blue, can't remember exactly.  But 
> it was as real as the Maharishi poster I had in my bedroom.  I 
> got drafted in 1968 and after coming back in 1970, found that my 
> Dad had thrown out the MMY poster.  And the goldfish was dead, 
> too. But no matter. In the ensuing years, I then saw posters of 
> Dr. Fred Lenz on the same lamposts in Westwood that formerly 
> hosted the MMY posters. And then in due time SIMS vacated 1015 
> Gayley Ave. and guess who moved into the same offices:  Lenz's 
> org. So what's next, and who?

While the posters on the same lampposts is true,
the "moving into 1015 Gayley" is not. Who moved
into 1015 Gayley after TM moved out was one of 
those "Mailboxes R Us" places, and Lenz had a box 
number there for some time. Believe me, if he had 
ever had offices in that building I would've been 
back there in a  flash, just for the Weirdness 
Quotient.  :-)

And yes, *of course* the brochures promising 
enlightenment in 5-7 years is true. Willy knows
this; he's just trolling. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Atheists say - Arrest the pope!

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Barry, dear, this fantasy doesn't suddenl become true
> > > > just because you've repeated it one more time. :-)
> > > 
> > > How about the one in which one of your "enemies"
> > 
> > One of my "enemies"? Do you consider me your "enemy,"
> > Barry?
> 
> Now the Editor doesn't even realize that punctuation
> belongs inside the quotation marks.

Wow. No, if the punctuation is a question mark, it goes
inside only if what's inside the quote marks is itself
a question. That's pretty basic, Barry.

> Can you say "rattled?"

This is wrong, for example. The question mark should
be outside the close quote mark.

This is why writers need editors. :-)

Same with the exclam, BTW. If what's inside the quotes
is an exclamation, the exclam goes inside. If not, it
goes outside.

Colons and semicolons always go outside. Commas and 
periods always go inside.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Peter Wallace

[yifuxero]

thx, 3 wits against Willytex.  He loses.
I saw the sign "Lakshmi" on the 1015 Gayley front office; and assumed it was 
Lenz's org, since for a time that's what he called his org.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "yifuxero"  wrote:
> >
> > thx, you're right; green or blue, can't remember exactly.  But 
> > it was as real as the Maharishi poster I had in my bedroom.  I 
> > got drafted in 1968 and after coming back in 1970, found that my 
> > Dad had thrown out the MMY poster.  And the goldfish was dead, 
> > too. But no matter. In the ensuing years, I then saw posters of 
> > Dr. Fred Lenz on the same lamposts in Westwood that formerly 
> > hosted the MMY posters. And then in due time SIMS vacated 1015 
> > Gayley Ave. and guess who moved into the same offices:  Lenz's 
> > org. So what's next, and who?
> 
> While the posters on the same lampposts is true,
> the "moving into 1015 Gayley" is not. Who moved
> into 1015 Gayley after TM moved out was one of 
> those "Mailboxes R Us" places, and Lenz had a box 
> number there for some time. Believe me, if he had 
> ever had offices in that building I would've been 
> back there in a  flash, just for the Weirdness 
> Quotient.  :-)
> 
> And yes, *of course* the brochures promising 
> enlightenment in 5-7 years is true. Willy knows
> this; he's just trolling.
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Peter Wallace

[Mike Dixon]

Yup! I can verify this. I remember seeing one of the fliers. However I can't 
remember the exact words. I don't think it *promised* CC in 5-8 years, but sure 
indicated one *could* have CC in that time period. Later somebody axed 
Maharishi about it and he said something like "oh, that was to get all the 
advanced techniques!" But Maharishi also told people on courses that *it* could 
happen *any time*, which one could take as maybe the next meditation , you know 
the carrot and the stick. Sure glad we didn't have a meditation tax back then.

--- On Mon, 4/12/10, yifuxero  wrote:


From: yifuxero 
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Peter Wallace
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, April 12, 2010, 8:58 PM


  



Nope, the flyer was real. Though I no longer have a copy, it was definitely 
real. Can anybody corroborate this? Stand up and be counted.
The fact that such a statement would be "dumb" is only consistent with the 
torrent of other dumb statements and actions to flow out of the TM Movement in 
the years afterward. Nope: dumbness is fully consistent with the early, middle, 
and late TM Movement. 

--- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, "WillyTex"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> yifuxero:
> > Theresa Olson who passed out the TM literature
> > stating one could reach CC in 5-7 years...
> >
> The 'World Plan' was a program to regenerate the
> world spiritually - it was a five year plan, but
> it did not promise that everyone would reach CC
> in 5-7 years. 
> 
> That kind of statement would be really dumb. On 
> a recent visit to Fairfield, I asked Teresa about 
> this and she said no such promise was ever made.
> 
> I have yet to see a flyer or poster that stated 
> this promise. It's like some kind of urban rumor.
> 
> Barry claims to have put up these kinds of 
> posters, but nobody seems to be able to post any 
> kind of proof. 
> 
> When I was at SIMS, Jerry would have ripped any 
> such poster to shreds for making this kind of 
> silly claim. 
> 
> In 1965, there were hundreds of people that had 
> been already practicing TM for over ten years.
>









  

[FairfieldLife] Maitreya speaks

[nablusoss1008]

Maitreya speaks
by the Master —, through Benjamin Creme, 14 March 2010



With every week that passes, the words and thoughts of Maitreya resonate
in the minds of millions of people who know not the source of these
inspiring ideas and hopeful concepts. Many ponder deeply on their
meaning and vision and are strangely comforted. Others feel enabled and
energized, filled with fresh courage and resolve. Still others wonder
who this man can be, so simple and relaxed, yet wonderfully wise. Many
are the feelings of delight and love that His appearances have wrought.

Of course, not all have found His ideas attractive, or if attractive,
certainly utopian and unobtainable. Large numbers are cautious and
slightly anxious, fearful that He may be the one they have been taught
most to fear: simple and unassuming, wrapped in an aura of goodness and
love.

Thus do the many types and levels of men make known their stance and
readiness for change.


Masters

Meanwhile, the Masters prepare Their groups for the time immediately
ahead. Men and women of every country are being brought together and
trained for the tasks which await their skills and altruistic service.
They know the needs of the new world and the priorities of action.
Service is the key. When the call from Maitreya and men everywhere rings
out, these valiant ones will arise in thousands to meet the challenge.
Thus will begin a movement which, gathering momentum, will soon cover,
and remake, the world.

The needs of every aspect, one by one, will be addressed: the feeding of
millions, starving or near, through the production and distribution of
food; the slow asphyxiation of humanity by deforestation; the overcoming
of global warming; the ending of the "invisible peril"; the
ending of the political/economic impasse; the resolution of left versus
right political systems. Each of these enormous tasks requires
solutions. Each is urgent but the priorities are that no one should go
hungry in a world of plenty, and that our planet is sorely in need of
succour.

Impact

Soon, the impact of Maitreya's ideas will begin to be seen. Already
many, worldwide, respond to His influence, directly or otherwise. More
and more, the impact of His thought will clarify the tangle of interests
which today take `centre stage' in public debate, and the needs
of every man and family will emerge as the central core of
humanity's problems.

Even now, in many countries, there is emerging a new sense of the need
to rethink everything, root and branch, and the concepts of sharing,
justice and fairness are growing apace. As the scope of Maitreya's
appearances widens, these ideas can only be expected to flourish and
grow.

Thus the conscience of men is awakening and moving in the direction of
right relationship. Thus, simply and calmly, does the Great Lord work to
purify and sanctify the affairs of men.

(Read more articles by the Master)

[FairfieldLife] Questions and Answers, Benjamin Creme, April 2010

[nablusoss1008]

Questions and Answers
Q. How many interviews has Maitreya given so far?
A. Maitreya has given nine interviews so far [as we go to press].

Q. Is the "window of opportunity" you mentioned in the March
2010 issue of Share International, still open?
A. Yes.

Q. Have Maitreya's interviews been taking place in America or
elsewhere?
A. Maitreya's interviews have been taking place for the moment in
America. But He will go from America to many countries: to Japan,
Europe, South America, Russia and China, and speak to the world.
Don't forget that as He speaks during an interview there is also an
internet broadcast in most cases. These are high-powered television
interviews from major TV programmes and via the internet He can be heard
and seen by millions at the same time.

In America He is speaking English; if He were in Japan He would speak
Japanese; in Russia in Russian, China in Chinese, in South America,
Spanish or Portuguese. So millions will hear and have access to every
interview He gives.



Q. Have all Maitreya's interviews been taking place on the same
channel in the USA so far?
A. Yes. The same channel so far.

Q. How long do the television interviews last, on average?
A. They last on average about half an hour.

Q. (1) I think it's been said once in Share International that
during Maitreya's first appearances on television, He would show
Himself in a restrained way, as if He was trying not to let people know
all His radiation, in a way to give us time to adapt ourselves to His
presence. Has this happened? (2) Can we expect a clearer `energetic
message' or impact in the following months, when we see Him on
television or the internet? (3) Have the appearances of Maitreya been as
successful as planned?
A. (1) That is not exactly the case. He presented Himself in a
restrained way, a quiet way. He was at pains not to frighten off those
He is trying to help. That continues to be the case although He is more
forthright than He was at first. It is nothing to do with His
`radiation'. (2) He will certainly be more forthright but He is
also careful to restrict or temper His `energetic presence'. (3)
They have been reasonably successful so far.

Q. (1) In Maitreya's television interviews in the US does he always
go by the same name? (2) Does Maitreya always look the same in all the
TV interviews? Is Maitreya using his actual body for the interviews or
is he using a familiar for some or all of them?
A. (1) Yes. (2) He varies His clothes (as we all do). He is using the
body in which He appears in the world.

Q. You say in the January/February issue of Share International that you
cannot give a specific time, day, or any information about
Maitreya's interview for such and such reasons, then in question
three you say that there is not a specific date for the Day of
De­claration and this is not planned for 2012. I assume that the
argument about people accepting Maitreya for what He proposes and not
because they think He is the World Teacher is still valid here. But in
question four you say that the media will give the time when the Day of
Declaration will take place. So, can you clarify this, please?
A. The media will make the arrangements for the Day of Declaration when
the people call for Maitreya to appear before the world.


Q. It is really wonderful that Maitreya can be seen and heard by tens of
millions or even hundreds of millions of people everywhere in the world.
I remember when the journalists were waiting for Maitreya in London with
Patricia Pitchon [31 July 1985], when apparently Hierarchy decided to
move forward, and was attacked by evil forces, specially those from
Outer Space, those called Cosmic Evil forces. So Hierarchy had to shield
the Earth and some moves in the Reappearance had to be postponed. Now
that Maitreya has moved forward, does it imply that our planet is more
shielded against intrusions from Cosmic Evil forces, as a consequence of
permission given from divine levels of our planet and beyond, to permit
Hierarchy to work without being interrupted?
A. No. Maitreya took advantage of an opening of a window of opportunity
at a given time.

Q. Could you say something about the recent earthquakes in Haiti and
Chile?
A. Earthquakes result from a combination of factors. The earth's
tectonic plates move and cause pressure which erupts in a volcano or an
earthquake. That happened in both Haiti and Chile but in the case of the
earthquake in Haiti it also had a karmic origin due to the internal
pressure in Haiti over many years between a series of repressive
governments and the people themselves. That interchange between the
people and the governments who kept the people down resulted in tension.
There is an outflow from that relationship which is fraught with
tension, building up into a karmic situation, which if the tectonic
plates move will certainly cause an earthquake to erupt there. The
earthquake in Chile was caused by the movement of tectonic plates only.
It had no karmic origin, unlike in Haiti.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Peter Wallace

[WillyTex]

Mike Dixon:
> I can verify this. I remember seeing one of 
> the fliers. However I can't remember the exact 
> words...
> 
Maybe so, but I've yet to see one of the flyers
with a promise of 'CC in 5-7 years'.

Such a flyer was never posted on Mike Doughney's
website 'Trancenet', and he would surely have 
done so, if one existed. Mike has one of the 
largest accumulations of TMO materials on the 
planet.

Such a flyer wasn't mentioned in any of Andrew
Skolnick's many diatribes against the TMO on 
Usenet, and he surely would have been one of the 
first to post such a poster.

Most of the posters were printed at Livingston
Manor under the direction of Lon P. Stacks, but
he wasn't able to post an image of one either.

So, I'm thinking the poster is just another TMO
urban rumor. But even then, there are reports of
some teachers going out on a limb and making
stuff up to put on posters. Jerry would have not
allowed it at SIMS, because it's so nonsensical.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Weirdest movie of all time

[Bhairitu]

WillyTex wrote:
> yifuxero:
>   
>> Eraserhead, no doubt about it;...a true masterpiece 
>> of creativity (Lynch probably created it before 
>> getting into TM)...
>>
>> 
> Yes, no doubt about it. Apparently Lynch started TM 
> in 1978.
>   

2005-32=1973.

Yes, no doubt about it, Willy needs some math smarts.

> "David Lynch's 1977 feature debut Eraserhead is one 
> of those rare films that really deserves its cult 
> status – a nightmarish, heavily symbolic story set 
> in a postapocalyptic future..."
>
> http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/eraserhead/
>
> "In December 2, 2005, Lynch told the Washington Post 
> that he had been practicing the Transcendental 
> Meditation technique twice a day, for 20 minutes 
> each time, for 32 years..."
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Lynch
>
> "Eraserhead is a surrealistic  film written and 
> directed by David Lynch, and released in 1977..." 
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eraser_Head






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RE: [FairfieldLife] Questions and Answers, Benjamin Creme, April 2010

[Rick Archer]

So if these interviews are on the internet, can we see a link to one of
them?
 
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of nablusoss1008
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 4:48 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Questions and Answers, Benjamin Creme, April 2010
 
  
Questions and Answers 
Q. How many interviews has Maitreya given so far?
A. Maitreya has given nine interviews so far [as we go to press]. 
Q. Is the "window of opportunity" you mentioned in the March 2010 issue of
Share International, still open?
A. Yes. 
Q. Have Maitreya's interviews been taking place in America or elsewhere?
A. Maitreya's interviews have been taking place for the moment in America.
But He will go from America to many countries: to Japan, Europe, South
America, Russia and China, and speak to the world. Don't forget that as He
speaks during an interview there is also an internet broadcast in most
cases. These are high-powered television interviews from major TV programmes
and via the internet He can be heard and seen by millions at the same time. 
In America He is speaking English; if He were in Japan He would speak
Japanese; in Russia in Russian, China in Chinese, in South America, Spanish
or Portuguese. So millions will hear and have access to every interview He
gives.
 
Q. Have all Maitreya's interviews been taking place on the same channel in
the USA so far?
A. Yes. The same channel so far. 
Q. How long do the television interviews last, on average?
A. They last on average about half an hour.
Q. (1) I think it's been said once in Share International that during
Maitreya's first appearances on television, He would show Himself in a
restrained way, as if He was trying not to let people know all His
radiation, in a way to give us time to adapt ourselves to His presence. Has
this happened? (2) Can we expect a clearer `energetic message' or impact in
the following months, when we see Him on television or the internet? (3)
Have the appearances of Maitreya been as successful as planned?
A. (1) That is not exactly the case. He presented Himself in a restrained
way, a quiet way. He was at pains not to frighten off those He is trying to
help. That continues to be the case although He is more forthright than He
was at first. It is nothing to do with His `radiation'. (2) He will
certainly be more forthright but He is also careful to restrict or temper
His `energetic presence'. (3) They have been reasonably successful so far. 
Q. (1) In Maitreya's television interviews in the US does he always go by
the same name? (2) Does Maitreya always look the same in all the TV
interviews? Is Maitreya using his actual body for the interviews or is he
using a familiar for some or all of them? 
A. (1) Yes. (2) He varies His clothes (as we all do). He is using the body
in which He appears in the world. 
Q. You say in the January/February issue of Share International that you
cannot give a specific time, day, or any information about Maitreya's
interview for such and such reasons, then in question three you say that
there is not a specific date for the Day of De-claration and this is not
planned for 2012. I assume that the argument about people accepting Maitreya
for what He proposes and not because they think He is the World Teacher is
still valid here. But in question four you say that the media will give the
time when the Day of Declaration will take place. So, can you clarify this,
please?
A. The media will make the arrangements for the Day of Declaration when the
people call for Maitreya to appear before the world.
Q. It is really wonderful that Maitreya can be seen and heard by tens of
millions or even hundreds of millions of people everywhere in the world. I
remember when the journalists were waiting for Maitreya in London with
Patricia Pitchon [31 July 1985], when apparently Hierarchy decided to move
forward, and was attacked by evil forces, specially those from Outer Space,
those called Cosmic Evil forces. So Hierarchy had to shield the Earth and
some moves in the Reappearance had to be postponed. Now that Maitreya has
moved forward, does it imply that our planet is more shielded against
intrusions from Cosmic Evil forces, as a consequence of permission given
from divine levels of our planet and beyond, to permit Hierarchy to work
without being interrupted?
A. No. Maitreya took advantage of an opening of a window of opportunity at a
given time. 
Q. Could you say something about the recent earthquakes in Haiti and Chile?
A. Earthquakes result from a combination of factors. The earth's tectonic
plates move and cause pressure which erupts in a volcano or an earthquake.
That happened in both Haiti and Chile but in the case of the earthquake in
Haiti it also had a karmic origin due to the internal pressure in Haiti over
many years between a series of repressive governments and the people
themselves. That interchange between the people and the governments who kept
the people down res

[FairfieldLife] Re: Peter Wallace

[emptybill]

When pinned down about it at Fiuggi, '72 he was quite clear that it
"could happen" but could never be promised because the deep stresses
(read sanskara-s) were different for different people.

But many people didn't want that answer, they wanted a certainty.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon 
wrote:
>
> Yup! I can verify this. I remember seeing one of the fliers. However I
can't remember the exact words. I don't think it *promised* CC in 5-8
years, but sure indicated one *could* have CC in that time period. Later
somebody axed Maharishi about it and he said something like "oh, that
was to get all the advanced techniques!" But Maharishi also told people
on courses that *it* could happen *any time*, which one could take as
maybe the next meditation , you know the carrot and the stick. Sure glad
we didn't have a meditation tax back then.
>
> --- On Mon, 4/12/10, yifuxero yifux...@... wrote:
>
>
> From: yifuxero yifux...@...
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Peter Wallace
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, April 12, 2010, 8:58 PM
>
>
> Â
>
>
>
> Nope, the flyer was real. Though I no longer have a copy, it was
definitely real. Can anybody corroborate this? Stand up and be counted.
> The fact that such a statement would be "dumb" is only consistent with
the torrent of other dumb statements and actions to flow out of the TM
Movement in the years afterward. Nope: dumbness is fully consistent with
the early, middle, and late TM Movement.
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, "WillyTex" willytex@ .> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > yifuxero:
> > > Theresa Olson who passed out the TM literature
> > > stating one could reach CC in 5-7 years...
> > >
> > The 'World Plan' was a program to regenerate the
> > world spiritually - it was a five year plan, but
> > it did not promise that everyone would reach CC
> > in 5-7 years.
> >
> > That kind of statement would be really dumb. On
> > a recent visit to Fairfield, I asked Teresa about
> > this and she said no such promise was ever made.
> >
> > I have yet to see a flyer or poster that stated
> > this promise. It's like some kind of urban rumor.
> >
> > Barry claims to have put up these kinds of
> > posters, but nobody seems to be able to post any
> > kind of proof.
> >
> > When I was at SIMS, Jerry would have ripped any
> > such poster to shreds for making this kind of
> > silly claim.
> >
> > In 1965, there were hundreds of people that had
> > been already practicing TM for over ten years.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Random Matrix theory - a deeper law of nature

[Yifu Xero]

http://www.tinyurl.com/y6dhf3x


  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Peter Wallace

[WillyTex]

emptybill:
> When pinned down about it at Fiuggi, '72 he was 
> quite clear that it "could happen" but could never 
> be promised because the deep stresses (read 
> sanskara-s) were different for different people.
> 
Yes, it's amazing to what length the TM Teachers would
go to get answers and then change them all around to
make them mean something else. This seems to be the 
case with the 'CC in 5-7 years' instance. What we have 
here seems to be a case of someone printing up some 
silly posters and flyers and handing them out. 

Apparently this was done by Barry. He used to pay for 
and then pass out leaflets and tack up posters all 
over Hollywood, promising all kinds of things. From 
what I've heard, Barry once passed out brochures for 
the Zen Master Rama, promising 'instant enlightenment'.

> But many people didn't want that answer, they 
> wanted a certainty.
> 
There are always going to be rogue teachers out there
who will do or say just about anything to get 
attention for their teacher, even if it is just the 
opposite of what the teacher says. Barry apparently 
is still drawing up little missives and sending them 
out as email to groups such as Yahoo! FFL.

Maharishi used to say that knowledge is given on one 
level of consciousness, but it is received on quite 
another!

> > > The 'World Plan' was a program to regenerate the
> > > world spiritually - it was a five year plan, but
> > > it did not promise that everyone would reach CC
> > > in 5-7 years.
> > >
> > > That kind of statement would be really dumb. On
> > > a recent visit to Fairfield, I asked Teresa about
> > > this and she said no such promise was ever made.
> > >
> > > I have yet to see a flyer or poster that stated
> > > this promise. It's like some kind of urban rumor.
> > >
> > > Barry claims to have put up these kinds of
> > > posters, but nobody seems to be able to post any
> > > kind of proof.
> > >
> > > When I was at SIMS, Jerry would have ripped any
> > > such poster to shreds for making this kind of
> > > silly claim.
> > >
> > > In 1965, there were hundreds of people that had
> > > been already practicing TM for over ten years.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Peter Wallace

[yifuxero]

Thx.  The evidence points to Jerry J. as the writer of the flyer since (a) he 
was the local leader of the small group of people passing out the flyer; not 
only a type of inspirational Spiritual leader, but the actual leader of SIMS.
(b) He stated in a 1967 lecture that was was in that time in CC and it took him 
5 years to get there.
Therefore Jerry is the best candidate.
It's only natural that people tend to project their experiences onto others, as 
expectations. Took him 5, so he may have reasoned others would do as well.
But look at Tiger!  Fulfilled and exceeded Dad's expectations in some 
categories, but failed in others.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> emptybill:
> > When pinned down about it at Fiuggi, '72 he was 
> > quite clear that it "could happen" but could never 
> > be promised because the deep stresses (read 
> > sanskara-s) were different for different people.
> > 
> Yes, it's amazing to what length the TM Teachers would
> go to get answers and then change them all around to
> make them mean something else. This seems to be the 
> case with the 'CC in 5-7 years' instance. What we have 
> here seems to be a case of someone printing up some 
> silly posters and flyers and handing them out. 
> 
> Apparently this was done by Barry. He used to pay for 
> and then pass out leaflets and tack up posters all 
> over Hollywood, promising all kinds of things. From 
> what I've heard, Barry once passed out brochures for 
> the Zen Master Rama, promising 'instant enlightenment'.
> 
> > But many people didn't want that answer, they 
> > wanted a certainty.
> > 
> There are always going to be rogue teachers out there
> who will do or say just about anything to get 
> attention for their teacher, even if it is just the 
> opposite of what the teacher says. Barry apparently 
> is still drawing up little missives and sending them 
> out as email to groups such as Yahoo! FFL.
> 
> Maharishi used to say that knowledge is given on one 
> level of consciousness, but it is received on quite 
> another!
> 
> > > > The 'World Plan' was a program to regenerate the
> > > > world spiritually - it was a five year plan, but
> > > > it did not promise that everyone would reach CC
> > > > in 5-7 years.
> > > >
> > > > That kind of statement would be really dumb. On
> > > > a recent visit to Fairfield, I asked Teresa about
> > > > this and she said no such promise was ever made.
> > > >
> > > > I have yet to see a flyer or poster that stated
> > > > this promise. It's like some kind of urban rumor.
> > > >
> > > > Barry claims to have put up these kinds of
> > > > posters, but nobody seems to be able to post any
> > > > kind of proof.
> > > >
> > > > When I was at SIMS, Jerry would have ripped any
> > > > such poster to shreds for making this kind of
> > > > silly claim.
> > > >
> > > > In 1965, there were hundreds of people that had
> > > > been already practicing TM for over ten years.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Peter Wallace

[WillyTex]

> > Nope, the flyer was real. Though I no longer have a copy,
> > it was definitely real. Can anybody corroborate this?
> > 
Rick Archer: 
> I can. I passed out thousands of them. It was a small, 
> green flyer.
>
Maybe so, I would not be surprised at anything they do at MUM,
but Jerry would not have approved if he had stayed around.
Only an idiot, trying to sell snake oil, would be so stupid as
to 'promise' anyone they were going to be enlightened!

Jerry was very opposed to making promises about enlightenment.

I've got hours and hours of Maharishi speaking on tape, from
SCI, and there's nothing on them about making any promises like
that. On one tape, 'A Promise for the Family of Man', which I
recorded in Houston, the Maharishi doesn't say anything about
'promising CC in 5-7 years'. 

Now, you would think that, in a speech about promises, the 
Maharishi would have mentioned a promise like that, instead 
of sending out some dope to pass out, and tack up, little 
green fliers, would you not?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Peter Wallace

[WillyTex]

yifuxero:
> The evidence points to Jerry J. as the writer of the 
> flyer since (a) he was the local leader of the small 
> group of people passing out the flyer; not only a type 
> of inspirational Spiritual leader, but the actual leader 
> of SIMS.
>
Jerry Jarvis never wrote a single flyer. Everyone knows
that the Maharishi himself wrote all the flyers.

> (b) He stated in a 1967 lecture that was was in that 
> time in CC and it took him 5 years to get there.
>
Jerry Jarvis never made any claims about reaching any 
state of enlightenment. TM Teachers are not supposed to 
announce their state of consciousness in public.

> Therefore Jerry is the best candidate.
>
Jerry Jarvis never tacked up a single poster or flyer
that was green. Everyone knows that the Maharishi liked
gold and red.

> It's only natural that people tend to project their 
> experiences onto others, as expectations. Took him 5, 
> so he may have reasoned others would do as well.
>
Jerry Jarvis never took 5 to reach CC. Everyone knows
that Jerry reached CC the first time he tried TM in 
1963.

> But look at Tiger! Fulfilled and exceeded Dad's 
> expectations in some categories, but failed in others.
> 
Tiger Woods has probably never reached CC, but he has
been meditating since he was a child. Not sure if Tiger
is fulfilled or not, but apparently Tiger made a lot of
promises he never kept!

> > Yes, it's amazing to what length the TM Teachers would
> > go to get answers and then change them all around to
> > make them mean something else. This seems to be the 
> > case with the 'CC in 5-7 years' instance. What we have 
> > here seems to be a case of someone printing up some 
> > silly posters and flyers and handing them out. 
> > 
> > Apparently this was done by Barry. He used to pay for 
> > and then pass out leaflets and tack up posters all 
> > over Hollywood, promising all kinds of things. From 
> > what I've heard, Barry once passed out brochures for 
> > the Zen Master Rama, promising 'instant enlightenment'.
> > 
> > > But many people didn't want that answer, they 
> > > wanted a certainty.
> > > 
> > There are always going to be rogue teachers out there
> > who will do or say just about anything to get 
> > attention for their teacher, even if it is just the 
> > opposite of what the teacher says. Barry apparently 
> > is still drawing up little missives and sending them 
> > out as email to groups such as Yahoo! FFL.
> > 
> > Maharishi used to say that knowledge is given on one 
> > level of consciousness, but it is received on quite 
> > another!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Weirdest movie of all time

[WillyTex]

> > >(Lynch probably created it before getting into TM).
> > >
> > > Apparently Lynch started TM in 1978.
> > >  
Bhairitu:
> 2005-32=1973.
> 
So, you're thinking that Lynch started TM before he made
Eraserhead. Thanks for setting the record straight!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Peter Wallace

[yifuxero]

Now wait a minute!  We're talking about (what I've observed to be) a nearly 
universal phenomenon.  The word "promise" is a bit strong, and not mentioned in 
the flyer. Can't remember the exact words, but the message was more of an 
expectation.  But what's the problem? So what.
The phenomenon I'm talking about mentioned in a previous post, is that various 
teachers expect others do perform the same as them, as to the degree of effort 
and time.  I see this in the statements of many other Gurus; to give you an 
example, the Sant Mat Gurus.
 Most of those Gurus have said it's "easy" to attain the Sant Mat goal.  Yea, 
for them maybe.  Most people in Sant Mat spend decades meditating and have 
little to show for it.
Take Kirpal Singh, his Son Darshan Singh, and his Son Rajinder Singh.  Even 
before knowing about Sawan Singh, Kirpal had spontaneous experiences of "going 
into Samadhi", traveling out of his body, and seeing the Radiant form of Sawan 
(without knowing who he was). Later in his travels, he met Sawan, who stated 
something "I've been expecting you".
Sure...a goal is "easy" if you're already 99.99% there.  Similarly with Darshan 
Singh, who had Sawan and his Father Kirpal as Gurus and from an early age was 
initiated into the 5 Names (the Sant Mat practice).  Then from the very first 
mediation, he's travelout out of his body and listening to Celestial Music of 
the Spheres.
So both Kirpal and Darshan go around saying the goal is easily 
attained!...Sure, for them! 
Then, the present Guru in that lineage, Rajinder Singh (Son of Darshan); also 
says the goal is easily accomplished and it shouldn't take more than a few 
weeks to learn it.  
But nothing is promised by such Gurus, just an expectation.
Similarly, Jerry never used the word promise; but it appears that based on his 
experience of 5 years, he felt others could accomplish the same task.
Let's stick to the facts.  There was no "promise". It was an estimate of how 
long it would take, based on Jerry's own direct experience.
So what difference does it make?  This is just normal human behavior.  This 
isn't a lesson in historical nitpicking.  It's a question of common behavior 
among Gurus; and points to the lesson of being flexible when hearing claims of 
Gurus. There are big differences when it comes to the "level" of attainment of 
people.  Some are already 99% there and don't need much of a boost.
Another case: HWL Poonja.  He was an advanced Krishna-Bhakti Yogi in his 
previous incarnation (he said...quoted in the Godman book); so in his present 
(until dying in the 90's) incarnation, he was already 99% toward complete 
Self-Realization.  
He meets up with Ramana Maharshi and after a few minutes of a heavy dose of 
Shakti and a few words from Ramana, he sinks into Self-Realization on the very 
spot he stood.
And then he goes around telling his followers they don't need any Sadhana, no 
effort at all: just accept the fact that you're already the Self.
So what would one expect?...that he teach Kundalini Yoga, Tantricism, or TM?  
No. Just give up all techniques, all effort, and that's it.
...
What people teach tends to be a mimicked reflection of their own experiences.  
Could we expect otherwise?
So, it would be natural for Jerry to have written the flyer, mentioning 5-7 
years (given his experience of 5); as a reasonable expectation with no promises.
In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> > > Nope, the flyer was real. Though I no longer have a copy,
> > > it was definitely real. Can anybody corroborate this?
> > > 
> Rick Archer: 
> > I can. I passed out thousands of them. It was a small, 
> > green flyer.
> >
> Maybe so, I would not be surprised at anything they do at MUM,
> but Jerry would not have approved if he had stayed around.
> Only an idiot, trying to sell snake oil, would be so stupid as
> to 'promise' anyone they were going to be enlightened!
> 
> Jerry was very opposed to making promises about enlightenment.
> 
> I've got hours and hours of Maharishi speaking on tape, from
> SCI, and there's nothing on them about making any promises like
> that. On one tape, 'A Promise for the Family of Man', which I
> recorded in Houston, the Maharishi doesn't say anything about
> 'promising CC in 5-7 years'. 
> 
> Now, you would think that, in a speech about promises, the 
> Maharishi would have mentioned a promise like that, instead 
> of sending out some dope to pass out, and tack up, little 
> green fliers, would you not?
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Peter Wallace

[yifuxero]

Nope: Wrong again Willytex.  I was there at that lecture and heard him say it. 
After burping, he stated that he was in CC and it took him 5 years to get 
there.  He was 35 years of age at the time, having been born in 1932. So go 
figure.  

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> yifuxero:
> > The evidence points to Jerry J. as the writer of the 
> > flyer since (a) he was the local leader of the small 
> > group of people passing out the flyer; not only a type 
> > of inspirational Spiritual leader, but the actual leader 
> > of SIMS.
> >
> Jerry Jarvis never wrote a single flyer. Everyone knows
> that the Maharishi himself wrote all the flyers.
> 
> > (b) He stated in a 1967 lecture that was was in that 
> > time in CC and it took him 5 years to get there.
> >
> Jerry Jarvis never made any claims about reaching any 
> state of enlightenment. TM Teachers are not supposed to 
> announce their state of consciousness in public.
> 
> > Therefore Jerry is the best candidate.
> >
> Jerry Jarvis never tacked up a single poster or flyer
> that was green. Everyone knows that the Maharishi liked
> gold and red.
> 
> > It's only natural that people tend to project their 
> > experiences onto others, as expectations. Took him 5, 
> > so he may have reasoned others would do as well.
> >
> Jerry Jarvis never took 5 to reach CC. Everyone knows
> that Jerry reached CC the first time he tried TM in 
> 1963.
> 
> > But look at Tiger! Fulfilled and exceeded Dad's 
> > expectations in some categories, but failed in others.
> > 
> Tiger Woods has probably never reached CC, but he has
> been meditating since he was a child. Not sure if Tiger
> is fulfilled or not, but apparently Tiger made a lot of
> promises he never kept!
> 
> > > Yes, it's amazing to what length the TM Teachers would
> > > go to get answers and then change them all around to
> > > make them mean something else. This seems to be the 
> > > case with the 'CC in 5-7 years' instance. What we have 
> > > here seems to be a case of someone printing up some 
> > > silly posters and flyers and handing them out. 
> > > 
> > > Apparently this was done by Barry. He used to pay for 
> > > and then pass out leaflets and tack up posters all 
> > > over Hollywood, promising all kinds of things. From 
> > > what I've heard, Barry once passed out brochures for 
> > > the Zen Master Rama, promising 'instant enlightenment'.
> > > 
> > > > But many people didn't want that answer, they 
> > > > wanted a certainty.
> > > > 
> > > There are always going to be rogue teachers out there
> > > who will do or say just about anything to get 
> > > attention for their teacher, even if it is just the 
> > > opposite of what the teacher says. Barry apparently 
> > > is still drawing up little missives and sending them 
> > > out as email to groups such as Yahoo! FFL.
> > > 
> > > Maharishi used to say that knowledge is given on one 
> > > level of consciousness, but it is received on quite 
> > > another!
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Peter Wallace

[tartbrain]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "yifuxero"  wrote:
>
> Now wait a minute!  We're talking about (what I've observed to be) a nearly 
> universal phenomenon.  The word "promise" is a bit strong, and not mentioned 
> in the flyer. Can't remember the exact words, but the message was more of an 
> expectation. 

It was something like 

"a vision of possibilities for the students of the world" 

or 

"an invitation to the students of the world" 

then 

"cosmic consciousness in 5 years" 

I don't recall there was a 7 -- that come a few years later when people began 
reaching their 5th year.  But its been a while. 

(Like they say, "If you remember the 60's you weren't there"




And my flyer was black and white, but high quality printing (not a Quick copy 
thing)



 But what's the problem? So what.
> The phenomenon I'm talking about mentioned in a previous post, is that 
> various teachers expect others do perform the same as them, as to the degree 
> of effort and time.  I see this in the statements of many other Gurus; to 
> give you an example, the Sant Mat Gurus.
>  Most of those Gurus have said it's "easy" to attain the Sant Mat goal.  Yea, 
> for them maybe.  Most people in Sant Mat spend decades meditating and have 
> little to show for it.
> Take Kirpal Singh, his Son Darshan Singh, and his Son Rajinder Singh.  Even 
> before knowing about Sawan Singh, Kirpal had spontaneous experiences of 
> "going into Samadhi", traveling out of his body, and seeing the Radiant form 
> of Sawan (without knowing who he was). Later in his travels, he met Sawan, 
> who stated something "I've been expecting you".
> Sure...a goal is "easy" if you're already 99.99% there.  Similarly with 
> Darshan Singh, who had Sawan and his Father Kirpal as Gurus and from an early 
> age was initiated into the 5 Names (the Sant Mat practice).  Then from the 
> very first mediation, he's travelout out of his body and listening to 
> Celestial Music of the Spheres.
> So both Kirpal and Darshan go around saying the goal is easily 
> attained!...Sure, for them! 
> Then, the present Guru in that lineage, Rajinder Singh (Son of Darshan); also 
> says the goal is easily accomplished and it shouldn't take more than a few 
> weeks to learn it.  
> But nothing is promised by such Gurus, just an expectation.
> Similarly, Jerry never used the word promise; but it appears that based on 
> his experience of 5 years, he felt others could accomplish the same task.
> Let's stick to the facts.  There was no "promise". It was an estimate of how 
> long it would take, based on Jerry's own direct experience.
> So what difference does it make?  This is just normal human behavior.  This 
> isn't a lesson in historical nitpicking.  It's a question of common behavior 
> among Gurus; and points to the lesson of being flexible when hearing claims 
> of Gurus. There are big differences when it comes to the "level" of 
> attainment of people.  Some are already 99% there and don't need much of a 
> boost.
> Another case: HWL Poonja.  He was an advanced Krishna-Bhakti Yogi in his 
> previous incarnation (he said...quoted in the Godman book); so in his present 
> (until dying in the 90's) incarnation, he was already 99% toward complete 
> Self-Realization.  
> He meets up with Ramana Maharshi and after a few minutes of a heavy dose of 
> Shakti and a few words from Ramana, he sinks into Self-Realization on the 
> very spot he stood.
> And then he goes around telling his followers they don't need any Sadhana, no 
> effort at all: just accept the fact that you're already the Self.
> So what would one expect?...that he teach Kundalini Yoga, Tantricism, or TM?  
> No. Just give up all techniques, all effort, and that's it.
> ...
> What people teach tends to be a mimicked reflection of their own experiences. 
>  Could we expect otherwise?
> So, it would be natural for Jerry to have written the flyer, mentioning 5-7 
> years (given his experience of 5); as a reasonable expectation with no 
> promises.
> In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > > > Nope, the flyer was real. Though I no longer have a copy,
> > > > it was definitely real. Can anybody corroborate this?
> > > > 
> > Rick Archer: 
> > > I can. I passed out thousands of them. It was a small, 
> > > green flyer.
> > >
> > Maybe so, I would not be surprised at anything they do at MUM,
> > but Jerry would not have approved if he had stayed around.
> > Only an idiot, trying to sell snake oil, would be so stupid as
> > to 'promise' anyone they were going to be enlightened!
> > 
> > Jerry was very opposed to making promises about enlightenment.
> > 
> > I've got hours and hours of Maharishi speaking on tape, from
> > SCI, and there's nothing on them about making any promises like
> > that. On one tape, 'A Promise for the Family of Man', which I
> > recorded in Houston, the Maharishi doesn't say anything about
> > 'promising CC in 5-7 years'. 
> > 
> > Now, you would think that, in a 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Weirdest movie of all time

[ditzyklanmail]

Weirdest movie ever made has to be Reefer Madness. 
or Rosemary's Baby.






From: WillyTex 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, 12 April, 2010 8:51:44 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Weirdest movie of all time

  


> > >(Lynch probably created it before getting into TM).
> > >
> > > Apparently Lynch started TM in 1978.
> > > 
Bhairitu:
> 2005-32=1973.
> 
So, you're thinking that Lynch started TM before he made
Eraserhead. Thanks for setting the record straight!


 


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Peter Wallace

[ditzyklanmail]

Hahaha. Subject title: Peter Wallace







From: yifuxero 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, 12 April, 2010 8:52:00 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Peter Wallace

  
Now wait a minute!  We're talking about (what I've observed to be) a nearly 
universal phenomenon.  The word "promise" is a bit strong, and not mentioned in 
the flyer. Can't remember the exact words, but the message was more of an 
expectation.  But what's the problem? So what.
The phenomenon I'm talking about mentioned in a previous post, is that various 
teachers expect others do perform the same as them, as to the degree of effort 
and time.  I see this in the statements of many other Gurus; to give you an 
example, the Sant Mat Gurus.
Most of those Gurus have said it's "easy" to attain the Sant Mat goal.  Yea, 
for them maybe.  Most people in Sant Mat spend decades meditating and have 
little to show for it.
Take Kirpal Singh, his Son Darshan Singh, and his Son Rajinder Singh.  Even 
before knowing about Sawan Singh, Kirpal had spontaneous experiences of "going 
into Samadhi", traveling out of his body, and seeing the Radiant form of Sawan 
(without knowing who he was). Later in his travels, he met Sawan, who stated 
something "I've been expecting you".
Sure...a goal is "easy" if you're already 99.99% there.  Similarly with Darshan 
Singh, who had Sawan and his Father Kirpal as Gurus and from an early age was 
initiated into the 5 Names (the Sant Mat practice).  Then from the very first 
mediation, he's travelout out of his body and listening to Celestial Music of 
the Spheres.
So both Kirpal and Darshan go around saying the goal is easily attained!... 
Sure, for them! 
Then, the present Guru in that lineage, Rajinder Singh (Son of Darshan); also 
says the goal is easily accomplished and it shouldn't take more than a few 
weeks to learn it. 
But nothing is promised by such Gurus, just an expectation.
Similarly, Jerry never used the word promise; but it appears that based on his 
experience of 5 years, he felt others could accomplish the same task.
Let's stick to the facts.  There was no "promise". It was an estimate of how 
long it would take, based on Jerry's own direct experience.
So what difference does it make?  This is just normal human behavior.  This 
isn't a lesson in historical nitpicking.  It's a question of common behavior 
among Gurus; and points to the lesson of being flexible when hearing claims of 
Gurus. There are big differences when it comes to the "level" of attainment of 
people.  Some are already 99% there and don't need much of a boost.
Another case: HWL Poonja.  He was an advanced Krishna-Bhakti Yogi in his 
previous incarnation (he said...quoted in the Godman book); so in his present 
(until dying in the 90's) incarnation, he was already 99% toward complete 
Self-Realization. 
He meets up with Ramana Maharshi and after a few minutes of a heavy dose of 
Shakti and a few words from Ramana, he sinks into Self-Realization on the very 
spot he stood.
And then he goes around telling his followers they don't need any Sadhana, no 
effort at all: just accept the fact that you're already the Self.
So what would one expect?...that he teach Kundalini Yoga, Tantricism, or TM?  
No. Just give up all techniques, all effort, and that's it.
...
What people teach tends to be a mimicked reflection of their own experiences.  
Could we expect otherwise?
So, it would be natural for Jerry to have written the flyer, mentioning 5-7 
years (given his experience of 5); as a reasonable expectation with no promises.
In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, "WillyTex"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> > > Nope, the flyer was real. Though I no longer have a copy,
> > > it was definitely real. Can anybody corroborate this?
> > > 
> Rick Archer: 
> > I can. I passed out thousands of them. It was a small, 
> > green flyer.
> >
> Maybe so, I would not be surprised at anything they do at MUM,
> but Jerry would not have approved if he had stayed around.
> Only an idiot, trying to sell snake oil, would be so stupid as
> to 'promise' anyone they were going to be enlightened!
> 
> Jerry was very opposed to making promises about enlightenment.
> 
> I've got hours and hours of Maharishi speaking on tape, from
> SCI, and there's nothing on them about making any promises like
> that. On one tape, 'A Promise for the Family of Man', which I
> recorded in Houston, the Maharishi doesn't say anything about
> 'promising CC in 5-7 years'. 
> 
> Now, you would think that, in a speech about promises, the 
> Maharishi would have mentioned a promise like that, instead 
> of sending out some dope to pass out, and tack up, little 
> green fliers, would you not?
>


 


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[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis Coming St. Paul, MN > May 1!

[Buck]

Om,
How sweet the name of Jarvis sounds
In a believer's ear!
It soothes his sorrows, heals his wounds,
And drives away his fears,
And drives away his fears.

It makes the wounded spirit whole,
And calms the troubled breast;
'Tis manna to the hungry soul,
And to the weary rest,
And to the weary rest.

Dear name! the rock on which I build,
My shield and hiding place;
My never-failing treasury filled
With boundless stores of grace,
With boundless stores of grace.

Jai Guru Dev,
-Buck 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
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> 
> Twin Cities maharishi Peace palace  (651)714-0254
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> 
> Dear Ron,
> We are very happy to announce an 
> All-Day Seminar on Maharishi’s Teachingâ€" 
> The Supreme Knowledge of Life 
> Conducted by Jerry Jarvis 
>  Saturday, May 1, 2010 
>  “Truly there is in this world nothing so purifying as knowledge.”  â€" 
> Bhagavad Gita 4:38 
>  “Knowledge is based on experience and Enlightenment is based on 
> knowledge.”  â€" Maharishi 
> This seminar presents an invaluable opportunity to explore in depth the 
> fundamentals of Vedic Scienceâ€"Maharishi’s comprehensive teaching of Total 
> Knowledge on the nature, structure and dynamics of life, freedom and 
> Enlightenment. Studying Maharishi’s teaching and the Vedic texts provides 
> the opportunity to verify our understanding and gain that Knowledge "worthy 
> of hearing, contemplating and realizing". - Upanishads 
> Those who have attended sessions conducted by Jerry know how valuable, 
> enjoyable, and inspiring they can be. Beginning in 1961 Jerry worked and 
> studied closely with Maharishi, helping to bring this supreme teaching to all 
> areas of society.  Particularly in the 1960's and 1970's, Jerry was among 
> those instrumental in bringing the TM program to more than a million in the 
> US. 
>  We look forward to spending this whole day with Jerry on Maharishi’s 
> teaching and invite you to share it with us.   
>  
> This three-part seminar is presented as an integrated whole; please plan on 
> attending all three sessions.  
>   Seminar Structure: 
> Part 1: 10:30 am â€" 12:30 pm
> Part 2:  2:00 pm â€" 4:00 pm 
> Part 3:  8:00 pm â€" 9:30 pm 
> Seminar Fee:  $85 (includes catered gourmet vegetarian lunch) 
> Location:  Maharishi Peace Palace 399 Ruth Street St. Paul, MN 55119 
> Meals: Seminar participants will enjoy lunch at the Peace Palace and be on 
> their own for dinner. There are many restaurants within 5-10 minutes of the 
> Peace Palace.   
> Overnight Accommodations: There are a few rooms available at the Peace Palace 
> for overnight stay ($108 per night). We have reserved a block of rooms at the 
> Sheraton, just 5 minutes from the Peace Palace and there are 4 or 5 other 
> hotels within 10 minutes of the Peace Palace. 
> TM-Sidhi Program for Governors and Sidhas:  Starts at 4:30 pm; Lift-off at 
> 5:30 PM. 
> Group Meditation for Meditators: 4:30 to 5:00 pm. 
> We truly hope you will be able to join us for this very special opportunity 
> to deepen your  understanding of life and your evolution. 
> JAI GURU DEV
> Billie Jean Billman and Jim Horwath, Directors
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[FairfieldLife] It is coming - get ready

[emptybill]

The Perfect Storm is Coming
by Dr. Paul J. Gobb

I am speaking as the representative of the greatest movement of millions
ever seen on American soil. I am here not to beg for your vote, your
favor or your forgiveness. I only want you to be just. Give your verdict
on the past 1-1/2 years, on its shame, its disgrace, its collapse, and
our growing national political humiliation. You must decide if the men
and parties that are responsible for these past years should have the
right to continue to hold power in the government.



Friends, this new system was born over a year ago. One never judges
systems or governments by what they want or what they promise, but
rather always by what they can do, and what they accomplish. The men and
women of that November took power by lying to the people, by telling
them they had won. They promised you, citizens, workers and creative
Americans, a country of freedom and beauty and dignity. They promised
you collective good, they promised a people's state, they promised the
broad masses the fulfillment of their dreams — peace, work and
prosperity.



We have lived this lie for the past year. For the year some have
worshiped this government; we have lived in want, suffered, sacrificed,
starved, sometimes wept. And now we see the worst results of this past
year: the American economy is in ruins, there are huge budget deficits,
the nation's fortune is squandered, people are robbed of their
inheritance, people are desperate and without hope, the streets of our
cities are filled with an army of millions of unemployed, the middle
class is vanishing, the last farmers driven from their land. To our
shame and disgrace large areas of our national influence have now been
lost.



More than that, the progressive battalions preach political conflict
that is tearing our nation apart, giving the American people no peace.
In such a situation, the leaders and parties of the old system are
making the hopeless attempt to maintain America with its old chains of
foreign commitments. We go from one conference to another. Each meant
more potential panic, more anguish, more longing, and more repulsion for
the suffering American people.

It is not hard to determine who is guilty, who bears the responsibility,
to the people, to history and to God for these conditions. It is those
men and women and their party who have misled the American people for
the past few years of campaigning, promising them lives of beauty and
dignity, of heaven on here earth, but who in the end gave us empty words
and stones instead of bread. They stand now before the court of the
nation to give an account of the unparalleled disaster they have brought
about in the last year. Over a year or so ago, the last members of this
old system fell. New men and women came on the political stage and
declared that they were replacing the old system and setting America on
a fundamentally new political course. You men and women know that we
viewed this attempt with suspicion from the beginning. We see the
resurrection of our people as coming not from a small clique that has no
strong connection to the people but only from a movement of millions
that has the active strength and the ability to change America.



What has the new government done in these past many months?

It did not bring the budget in balance. That was necessary, since the
coffers were empty as it took power. But balancing the budget will not
solve our problems. The real cause of our need is unemployment. Asking
the people to sacrifice makes sense only if that sacrifice is the first
step to recovery. What did this so-called government of national ideals
do? This government merely increased our unemployment, reduced the hopes
of our war heroes, and adopted increased taxes, the most unsocial of
measures. This government should not think that we will support its
harmful policies.



I ask you, men and women, how can the Democratic Party find the gall to
accuse us of intolerance, when that is exactly how they have behaved
during the last year under the President?



What has changed? Nothing at all, except that the ruling men and women
have different faces. The economy is running on empty, the government
has failed to begin a new durable job creation program. The misery of
the broad masses continues to increase, and the starving do not know how
they can survive from one day to the next. The middle class is
collapsing under heavy taxes and the few remaining farmers are leaving
their farms because they can no longer pay the interest, mortgages and
debts. All the government can say is this: "We cannot fix in one year
what went wrong in eight years!" Well, OK! But one should at least be
able to see that a start is being made. At least we should be able to
expect that the government would be making attempts to resolve the
political problems we face. But what do we see?



Killing rages through our metropolitan streets. Every evening 5, 6, or 7
of our citizens are seriously wounded, and 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis Coming St. Paul, MN > May 1!

[TurquoiseB]

Om.
How inappropriate the substitution sounds
Of 'Jarvis' for 'Jesus'

And how appropriate that the former
Is speaking about a book 
That glorifies the absolute right
Of those who consider themselves "special"
And able to tell "good" from "evil"
To kill those they consider evil

While the latter 
Spoke about turning the other cheek
And forgiving one's enemies
And reminded those whose religion
Had also fallen into "specialness" 
And the glorification of killing
That they were full of shit

Two teachers, two teachings
One "special," only for "special" people
Who seek a justification for killing
The other not so special and exclusive
For those who merely seek


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> Om,
> How sweet the name of Jarvis sounds
> In a believer's ear!
> It soothes his sorrows, heals his wounds,
> And drives away his fears,
> And drives away his fears.
> 
> It makes the wounded spirit whole,
> And calms the troubled breast;
> 'Tis manna to the hungry soul,
> And to the weary rest,
> And to the weary rest.
> 
> Dear name! the rock on which I build,
> My shield and hiding place;
> My never-failing treasury filled
> With boundless stores of grace,
> With boundless stores of grace.
> 
> Jai Guru Dev,
> -Buck